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[Assistant] All you need is competency at the quarterback position.


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[Assistant] I don't know that DTR is going to do that. Maybe five games from now, he'll be able to do that. But that's not what the Browns are asking for right now.


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[Assistant] The Browns are saying, please don't turn the ball over. Please operate the offense and let's let the strength of our team go to work. Look at how the Steelers are winning with Kenny Pickett.


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[Assistant] And I really, really, really believe that Kevin Stefanski, having some time


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[Assistant] To prepare and tailor an offense for DTR will make a huge difference from what you saw


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[Assistant] With trust and faith in Alex van Pelt and Kevin Stefanski in being able to plot and plan and shape and support DTR better, an offense around DTR better with a week's preparation as opposed to two hours.


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[Assistant] I have never been around a Browns team that has disconnected a locker room. And I know that there are a lot of people that think that that's woo woo and who cares. But as somebody who's covered the National Football League for as long as I have,


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[Assistant] It really makes a difference when guys are playing for each other. When guys are hanging out beyond just, okay, we have to be on the practice field. When guys are putting in that time on their own separate of what their coaches mandate to watch film or go over things.


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[Assistant] It does make a difference. This is a connected, close locker room. We've seen how the whole us against the world thing has worked for Michigan. It does work for teams. You've got a lot of veteran leadership on this team, on the offensive line, on the entire defense. I just, I don't think it's a death knell. It made me very sad for Browns fans yesterday.


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[Assistant] Not because I think their season is over, but just because it really felt like a corner was turned. It really felt like all of the drama, the roller coaster, the up and down, whatever the emotions were from the signing of Deshaun Watson, dealing with all the ancillary noise. It just felt like such a signature statement making.


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[Assistant] Get Behind Everybody win. I mean that one play, I keep talking about that one play where the whole team pushed Jerome forward an extra 10 yards, even little Elijah Moore.


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[Assistant] You know, moving his feet like that. That play, I mean, that's just everything that's different about these Browns versus the Browns I've covered in the past. And so just.


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[Assistant] You know, like to be on that high and think, oh my goodness, here it is. And then to come plummeting down to earth. I mean, I texted Adam yesterday. I said, okay, hands up. I'm ready to believe in the curse.


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[Assistant] All this quarterback talk that you talk about, oh, maybe he could do this and oh, maybe he could do that. You have an idea of what Deshaun Watson can do.


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[Assistant] My only complaint with Deshaun Watson is, dude hasn't played five consecutive weeks since he been here. Right?


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[Assistant] Here's what I would say. Here's what I would say. There's a lot of truth to what you guys are saying from this standpoint. Next year, he comes back healthy and he has a full season, right? And then you'll be able to evaluate, well, he ain't that guy, right?


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[Assistant] You look at all these teams and they all have that dude. Right? Go look at all the top teams. Guess what they got outside? That dude.


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[Assistant] I'm not saying that these receivers aren't good. I love them, Murray Cooper. Right?


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[Assistant] And it's kind of the same, you know, situation that your best receiver when it was Jarvis Landry.


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[Assistant] You gotta threaten the ball down the field. You have to.


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[Assistant] So you need to get some guys that is gonna fight that, that are gonna scare that deep, the back end of that defense. You have to look at football the way it's played now. Why does Kansas City look like they're struggling so much?


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[Assistant] I agree. Here's, here's the other thing. Okay? Go look at the turnaround for all these young quarterbacks and see what they have in common. Two attack of a lower got who? Tyree Hill. Right. Jalen Waddle. Jalen Hurts got what? Two guys. Yep. Two guys.


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[Assistant] You could have the right idea and you can have the right decision making. It ain't no, it doesn't always work. Right? It doesn't always work.


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[Assistant] So understand that when your team or your organization decides, oh, we're going to make a play for this guy or this guy, and this is what it's going to do to our team, sometimes it doesn't quite work the way they had it planned. That's life in sports.


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[Assistant] Yes, I'm going to tell you why Michigan has been winning. You want to know why? Because for the last 10 years, you have had a quarterback that was excellent at an off schedule place.


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[Assistant] That can make plays with his legs. The same thing that kills Alabama. Whenever they have a quarterback that can run around and make plays outside the pocket.


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[Assistant] It sound like you eating a bitter ale. Go head on and eat it.


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[Assistant] And this is what I get annoyed about with the Browns. Yep.


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[Assistant] And this is at any level, this is a, this is at any level of football, basketball or whatever.


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[Assistant] Cause DTR probably had check with me run pass and you countin' bodies. Right? And you see, you see what Denver would do? They'd walk up to the line of scrimmage.


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[Assistant] Nine men on the line of scrimmage. Cause if you find a crease, you go! That's it? Hold on. Are we dropping back and throwing a pass? Come on!


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[Assistant] I'm telling you, I'm telling you, a lot of these passes, a lot of these passes came from the run pass check. And sometimes, at some point, Kevin Stefanski's here to send them in and say, run it! Just run it!


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[Assistant] Football's not that hard, man. And sometimes, and sometimes it ain't a matter of numbers. Sometimes it's a matter of talent.


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[Assistant] I go get a little workout in. We go to pregame.


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[Assistant] I would take a pillow from the hotel. Yeah, you've told me this before.


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[Assistant] Hell yeaah. Like if anybody saw that, they were like, this guy's sleeping, he ain't ready for football. Like we all looking at after the fact stuff. Thomas is right.


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[Assistant] They didn't play 11 straight games and they was second in the country and won 11 games.


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[Assistant] Win without very good quarterback play. And I thought DTR for what he was asked to do actually did a decent job. We'll get into the details on that. I thought it was a great win. There was some clutch performances on that final drive from some guys who hadn't done much all the time.


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[Assistant] But the defense obviously led the way. Myles Garrett setting the tone right off the bat with that sack that should have been a safety, but thankfully it wasn't. We'll talk to you about it later. Yeaah, exactly. It led to a touchdown.


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[Assistant] But that's why this is great, because you can risk a little and win a lot.


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[Assistant] I think it's hard to grade him because I was doing grades on my podcast yesterday. I think I gave him a C minus and then I was like, I guess that's a little too harsh because I'm grading him against


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[Assistant] And you knew going in what the expectations were, which for me were very low because the only time I'd seen him play, he didn't play well.


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[Assistant] I in the end will give, I gave a C minus yesterday, I'm upgrading that to a B minus.


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[Assistant] Because of what he was asked to do. You gotta put it in context of that.


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[Assistant] Those are good stats, but I thought he did some really nice things with his legs. He showed tremendous growth off his first game, tremendous growth.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, Baltimore's got a much tougher schedule, because they haven't played San Francisco yet, and San Francisco's back to being San Francisco again. Did they look good yesterday? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] And I think, I believe the Steelers are the best defense they're gonna face the rest of this year. You know, starting, starting with the Steelers for the rest of the season. I would, I mean, Denver's got a solid defense and, uhm, uh, Houston's defenses


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[Assistant] They got a score and they can't. And it's not as good as the Browns. That's the bottom line. The Browns have the best defense. You can't, I still don't think any team, I don't think you could win with a good defense and crappy quarterback. I think if you're going to get it either, I think you have to have a great defense. I think the Browns do. We'll see it now. Uh, quarterback plays got to get better. Do you think full day?


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[Assistant] And the key, one of the keys is that, and we'll talk more about it later, but that they have a great kicker this year, is Hopkins.


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[Assistant] Yes. And to your point on the defense, how big was it?


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[Assistant] Jalen Warren breaks the big run, right, at 10-7. Then the Steelers had the field poset, the field position edge the whole second half. Yup. And that, and the defense, they gave up the one field goal, but after that, they had a couple of drives where the Steelers really only needed to go 10-15 yards to get a field goal to take the lead.


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[Assistant] That was funny. After, and after the, the warrant touched on the crowd for a minute was silent. And then the Steelers score the field goal, you're like, oh no, the momentum's starting to change, but the crowd got back into it, the defense buckled up again, and it was huge. And to talk about what, you know, about Kevin Stefanski, because I know we're getting this Stefanski, G, you brought up the point, like, that,


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[Assistant] You know, they're talking about, you can't win without horses, right? And the English forces, they're riding into the horses, and the Scottish forces are there, and the main guy, William Wallace, is like, HOLD!


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[Assistant] He, he released the dogs on the last drive. As you said, he's it. Now go. They don't expect it. And it worked. Now moving forward. It was risky.


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[Assistant] And they are falling apart. You got that, uh, let's play that clip of, uhm, Naji Harris. Did you guys see this?


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[Assistant] Right? Like there's six and four, it shouldn't be a disaster.


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[Assistant] And the Steelers, by the way, their talon offense is not that bad. It's their quarterback stinks. I mean, I know everybody talks about the OC, I think their quarterback just stinks. The OC is part of the problem, but I think, I thought Penny Stunk, uh, Pickett Stunk from the moment he came into the game.


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[Assistant] Well I think what happened is he must have gotten confused because the players were jumping on the helmet. Right. Because Pickett's helmet came out and went backwards and you saw players piling on the helmet. But Pickett was already way past the line.


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[Assistant] And I agree with Jason that you should extend them right now. I don't know that I'm in agreement with Andrew Berry, but I can live with it.


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[Assistant] Here we go. Here we go. But it wasn't. It wasn't. And by the way, once again, a penalty flag on the final field goal, and for a moment you're like, oh no, and again it was against the other. It pauses, it pauses the celebration. I hate that.


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[Assistant] I think this off season's gonna be huge for the offensive minds in this league to counteract what's happening. To make the adjustment, yeaah. Yes.


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[Assistant] I like it guys, and I'm fine with him being here, but I hope he never plays a game for the Browns.


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[Assistant] I want the, first of all, with this, right now the Browns offensive line, a little leaky, and I, DTR is able to make plays with his legs. He made a couple of big plays with his legs. Joe Flacco is incapable of doing that, he can't do anything with his legs.


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[Assistant] So, uh, listen, unless DTR is a complete disaster, I mean, he's turned the ball over at a crazy rate, Joe Flacco has no upside. Zero, zilch, nothing.


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[Assistant] No, but we, I'm saying, what he does on the field, we know, there's no like s- secret part of his game that at 40 all of a sudden is gonna come out. We don't know what DTR is.


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[Assistant] Okay, so I look at DTR and I say, I don't know where the ceiling is.


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[Assistant] The odds are it's a lot higher than what Joe Flacco's ceiling is at this point in his career. Uh, Joe Flacco's a limited.


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[Assistant] Big improvements from his first start to his second start. Right. As long as the arrow continues to point up ever so slightly, that's fine because the turnover was not his fault.


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[Assistant] He didn't make, he didn't really make any dangerous throws in this game that were like, oh my god, they got lucky. That wasn't intercepted. Joe Flacco has been on the couch and he's 38 years old. So I'm not playing him unless I, I feel like I got no, I'll play him over PJ Walker.


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[Assistant] Yes, but I'm hoping that DTR continues to show little progress, little progress, that by the time we get to the playoffs, he's reached that adequate level.


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[Assistant] And, and with a great defense, we can, you know, they could win that way, hopefully. But I, I have no interest in... You guys agree with that? Yeah, I don't want to see them on the field.


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[Assistant] They may have to cut PJ Walker and then bring him back on the practice squad.


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[Assistant] Every team should be able to use a third quarterback in case of injury.


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[Assistant] I just think any guy that's on a practice squad, you know, if he got picked up, you find someone else. I know, but as we're dwindling


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[Assistant] It's gonna be 5th at least. Jake Browning's gonna start for the Bengals. Tim Boyle or somebody might start for the Jets this week. I feel like there was another, oh, Gino got hurt. I know he came back in, but I don't know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't know if they're the top because their returns aren't amazing, but, uh, it's certainly up there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't know. Some teams are better, but they're right near the top if they, even if they're not though. We're just going on success rate of Fugle. Last year, and by the way, I'm going to get Jay and G at some point here to vote for not only Dustin Hopkins, but the punter too.


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[Assistant] But we went from a kicker last year who couldn't, you know, even though they made the great kick week, one couldn't do anything. We're blaming the punter for the hold and all that. And now you got a punter who's phenomenal. The one bad punt yesterday, but overall his average was still 48 yards. Amazing.


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[Assistant] Every game is going to be a grind for the Browns. Yes. Every game is going to be a little bit, but it's going to be a grind. I mean, it may be an outlier or two, but I don't think we should expect any...


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[Assistant] You know, dirt blowouts for the Browns. They're gonna win ugly, tight games the rest of the year. That's what I'm expecting. Especially coming up.


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[Assistant] Great guy. I was, he and I were talking for like a half an hour. He's in a Netflix show that's coming out.


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[Assistant] Uh, you're taller than both of them, I think. Yea, I'm taller than them. But they're, they're big dudes. Big men. Huge guys.


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[Assistant] His brothers, G's brothers, I'm sorry, G's dad's brothers are tall, but they're skinny as rails.


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[Assistant] His cousin who is the actor, I'll obviously save the story for when he can tell the story, but he was an extra in Draft Day.


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[Assistant] Because obviously I know what my wife has been through dealing with leukemia treatments, and I've called games, not NFL games, but I'm, you know, I, I understand the energy and, and...


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[Assistant] That it takes to call a game. I think a lot of fans think, oh, anybody can call a game. It's, you know, it takes a ton of energy to do as great a job, just do any job like this. Especially radio. But radio especially, and especially to bring it the way Jimmy does, uh, to do that with, and dealing with leukemia treatments, as anybody that's, that has, you know, come back from leukemia, it's,


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[Assistant] Almost impossible to believe that somebody could do this this soon. So it's remarkable that he was able to do it. And obviously the crowd fed off Jimmy's great energy.


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[Assistant] If, I feel like if Thornhill, we had the big play last week, you were like, oh, if Thornhill was playing. This week, the one long run, I think, I feel like if Thornhill played, Jaylen Warren would not have had a touchdown in that play. There were some bad angles taken by the secondary on that play.


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[Assistant] That's a position we've seen before. You could sign a guy off the street and he could be a factor down the stretch. If there's a good veteran out there.


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[Assistant] No, what I'm saying is if, you know, they're going to give Rodney Hickman, but I would bring somebody, like a veteran off the street to be in the mix. I'm looking at best free agent still available. By the way, Jarvis Landry is third on that list. Uh, in terms of safeties,


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[Assistant] The best safety on this list, Daron Harmon, played for the Bears last year, he's 32. Logan Ryan.


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[Assistant] Cause Anthony Walker is, is day to day. And he, when he left, I thought Cioni Takitaki took over that role. Remember last year when he played middle linebacker, he played his best football. And I thought he went in there and played well when he went in there. So.


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[Assistant] Let's hope we can keep the, you know, live, the front seven has been completely healthy until this Anthony Walker, uh, you know, day to day with what?


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[Assistant] But listen, I have probably met, I know three or four people that know Ben Roethlisberger, at least to some degree. I've probably met ten people that have met him over the years.


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[Assistant] Every single person says he's a douchebag. He's always been a douchebag. He'll always be a douchebag. He's so dismissive. I hate his guts. I really do. I know it's extreme. I don't know. Don't say hate. I hate him! Who do you hate more? Ben or Baker?


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[Assistant] Two or three teams with these fans. I think meet smart, meet smart fans and smart media members nationally will realize the Browns are legit.


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[Assistant] So many good things that he brought up and he does, he lets the game breathe, which I love. He's, he's great. He even told me when I had him on my podcast this week, he's like, in the past, when I've come to Cleveland, it's been like, uh, you know, they stink. But now he's like, now I'm excited to come to Cleveland because the team's good, you know.


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[Assistant] Wow, I love that he did it. I love the comment that he said, you know, he's got to play better. He ripped himself. I love that. I love a player saying accountability.


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[Assistant] ATR 62? Feels like 50. Everything matters. This team's trying to win a Super Bowl. Let's go. That's right.


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[Assistant] I know that. They are, but you don't play. JJ, I know, that's alright. You got 30 seconds. I'm not saying anything just to make fans feel better. Uh, I just can't, I think the Bengals are gonna fall apart here. But, yes, I'd probably root for the Bengals. But, if the Bengals do not have a playoff chance, which I don't think they will, I'm 100% rooting for the Browns. It also helps the Bengals get a better draft thing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, when we could grade his first half, we could grade his second half. He led a game winning drive in the fourth quarter after leading the Browns to 54 total yards for the first 28 minutes of the second half. I mean, it was a roller coaster of emotions for a rookie quarterback, but at the end of the day, when it mattered most, DTR stepped up in the biggest of ways.


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[Assistant] We set offensive back a couple years ago. The Browns continued.


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[Assistant] Their streak of outgaining the Steelers. 259 to 249, which means the Steelers now in 10 games this season have not outgained their opponent.


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[Assistant] I was going to bring that up. Okay. That is the rule and I'm not sure. I have to double check and I don't even know if you could find this. When you challenge the spot.


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[Assistant] There's the scrum. Here's Miles getting up.


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[Assistant] One thing real quick and then we'll talk Joe Flacco.


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[Assistant] Offensive line play across the league has been down and there are fewer and fewer healthy good offensive linemen which certainly helps.


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[Assistant] Offensive adjustments to what defense has done, but let's go back in time a little bit to 2012, the Super Bowl winning quarterback that year.


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[Assistant] There's now the Browns practice squad quarterback. That is Joe Flacco who they signed this morning. He's expected to be elevated to the active roster.


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[Assistant] And guys, we talked about it on Friday when they worked out Joe Flacco. They didn't sign him, but.


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[Assistant] He is now part of the Cleveland Browns. It is official. And what are your thoughts on Joe Flacco joining the Browns quarterback room?


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[Assistant] But they changed the rule because of that specific game where now you can have that third emergency quarterback. So we can see what's coming, but you mentioned last week, or I mentioned it, then you referenced it again and it's going to happen. The number is going up. 49 different quarterbacks have started this year. 49. That's more than half the teams in the NFL that started at least two quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] On the show in the upcoming days and weeks. But guys, last year.


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[Assistant] First, second, third in the NFL, because there's different facets. Yeaah, there's so many different units. We could all say pretty confidently the Browns are one of the worst special teams units in football last year. No doubt. It felt like it, yeaah. You switch out Bubba Ventrone from Mike Priefer, you bring in some new guys, and in less than a year, the Browns have gone from the bottom of the league to what feels like near the top of the league special teams.


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[Assistant] No, you got 22 because 21 was Schwartz. I'm sorry, in 22. I'll start with 21 then. Go ahead, go ahead. I'll do 23. Yeaah. The only receiver selected after Anthony Schwartz that has done anything is Amon Ross St. Brown who's been phenomenal. Alright, that's a miss. That guy's a top 10 wide receiver.


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[Assistant] Yep. So, yeah. Hooka's been really good. He's the outlier though. Nobody saw that. Uh, Parker Washington's been quasi-productive for, uh, the Jaguars. He has. And then, he's got 23 catches, so. Nah, that's, that's not. But that, that's it. Those are three guys. So I guess, I guess my point is, you know, we


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[Assistant] One more kudos on the belt of Andrew Berry, by the way. It's Jaron Christian who played really well again yesterday. They found him off the scrap heap and turned him into something. Gee, I want to ask you this though, in the group chat as we're watching the game.


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[Assistant] I texted bull, I texted everyone in the bull answer right away. I was like, man, it looks like Proche has some room to return some of these puns. He had just been fair catching it. And we thought that may be a little heebie jeebies from his moth punt against Baltimore. Then in the fourth quarter.


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[Assistant] He had three punt returns, including a 21 yarder that set the Browns up in really good field position that they weren't able to capitalize on, but are you back in the?


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[Assistant] Over, unders, and much, much more. So visit FanDuel.com slash UCSS to kick off the NFL season.


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[Assistant] Guys, you know, I live downtown and I stay on the post game show all the time. I can hear the stadium from my apartment. And before the game, I knew when Nick Chubb walked onto the field because I could hear it. And then I heard another roar and I was like, what, what's the second roar?


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[Assistant] And then I see a few seconds later on social media, Jimmy Donovan was the dog pound captain, went on to smash the guitar. And after the game and we have the clip, we're going to play it. He got the game ball from coach fancy in a pretty touching moment. So let's take a, let's take a listen. We'll watch, uh, Jimmy Donovan get the game ball and talk about Jimmy DB and back in the booth for the Browns.


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[Assistant] We got a couple updates for you real quick. Kevin Stefanski speaking to the media and he has announced DTR will start this Sunday against Denver. Also Anthony Walker week to week.


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[Assistant] Real quick, while I have the dots up, you can see McLeod, 26, he's the one chasing Warren there with Emerson coming up. It is a bad angle and he's the high safety here. Watch him come down and get kind of trapped inside talking hockey.


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[Assistant] He can't cover. He's great against the run. It was very difficult to watch the match.


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[Assistant] As the game winning field goal from Dustin Hopkins foot went through the uprights on his.


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[Assistant] I guess it's a podcast. I don't even really know. It's called football and whatever it is. But here's Big Ben, uh, future play-by-play guy extraordinaire as the Browns defeated his Pittsburgh Steelers. Steve, you ready?


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[Assistant] Alright, we got some super chats to get to. A couple of these are questions and we got some time, so we will, uh, try to answer these questions. I'll ask the question individually to people on the panel, uhm, so we can get through all these. Jason, you can start with the first one. This is Kevin Robinson. Was the second half Kevin or DTR not trusting his arm?


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[Assistant] Nexus from Lawrence Goggins said, I love a victory Monday. Hashtag UCSS. Hashtag dog pound or Mac dog says in my best G Bush voice, stop playing with me. 95 miles is better than what hands down 2023 NFL defensive player of the year.


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[Assistant] John Harris said we gotta get in Joku some stick em. Uh, in Joku FaceTime Kevin Stefanski last night on the jugs machine at his house. Stefanski said that during his media. Are you kidding me? Yeaah. He said that during his media session.


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[Assistant] I do like that comment from Safanski though. He was asked, he asked, did you hear about what David said about hitting the jugs? And he goes, well, I know he asked and then he FaceTime me on it. So I know he actually did it. So shout out to a joker for doing that. Peter R says, Jimmy D and Nick had the stadium going crazy yesterday.


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[Assistant] Esco said, did you see the Vikings use Harrison Bryant's pitch play last night on a toss to Dobbs? I almost died.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's going to get, he's going to get sent it again. Yeah, that's not good. Next up comes from Simple. He is too. First, how close is Miles in the MVP conversation? Not DPOY, but MVP. Not going to happen.


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[Assistant] I just looked up the fan duel odds just out of curiosity. Miles is not listed among players who are available to bet on. Because that's conventional wisdom. That's conventional thinking.


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[Assistant] What the hell has happened to Pierre Strong? His speed? How he can cut? I believe the Browns walk away with the game if he got more touches yesterday.


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[Assistant] Fairweather fans, F off, this is Cleveland Brown's country son, Kool-Aid Mafia, it's our time. PSG, I watched the birthday video, your wife is adorable, lol. Uh, Conklin Keith?


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[Assistant] No, she laughed in the background. She was praying in like some broken language.


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[Assistant] Colin Key says, scenario for both. If the Browns and Bengals are both playing for a playoff spot in week 18, who do you root for?


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[Assistant] Alright, last three real quick. Hyperfrosty says Browns are 5-1 since my breakup.


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[Assistant] Uh, in reference to your Vegeta comment. J okay, that's enough grandpa. Time to wheel you back to your room, buddy.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, he's, he's a big time talent, yeaah. I couldn't even put my microphone on at 26. Jeez. I still can't put my microphone on.


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[Assistant] Here's what I think you have to be optimistic about. They were once mentioned in the same breath. Yea, I know. Not that long ago. But his last full game, Tennessee, he was terrific. Then, Indy, I think you can throw it out because clearly he wasn't ready. I thought the first half Sunday, he did not look good. I don't care what anybody says. He didn't look good in the first half. Second half, he looked better. So if you want to take


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[Assistant] You know, his last eight full quarters, he's pretty good in six of the eight. So for that reason, I think you can have some optimism that he's turning the corner here and starting to figure some things out.


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[Assistant] But when you're talking about, I mean, Lamar's had one of the best seasons of his career. So I still think it's a pretty wide gap. Doesn't mean Browns can't win the game. Doesn't mean Deshaun can't go all out on Sunday. But if you have to pick one quarterback for your team to play on Sunday, who are you taking? I'm taking Lamar Jackson. Yeah, that's easy.


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[Assistant] People were just ready to boo. They just wanted to boo him. Well in the first half he was giving him reason to boo. Yea, and not even just last week. Just throughout. Zach Jackson and I have talked about that in the press box multiple times. That they're just waiting to boo. So it's a powder kegs. But, but, you know, we've talked about it before. I think people are in their divided camps. It feels like


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[Assistant] He has to play better, he has to play better Sunday than he did in the second half against Arizona. Yes, he does. I think Ty was pointing this out. If you go back and look at some of those throws that he made that we think were good throws, they're getting picked against Baltimore. He threw one into triple coverage. That's going the other way. If he, if he tries to make that throw on Sunday. That's the difference between Arizona and Baltimore. So he has to be even better.


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[Assistant] Well we talked about it on Monday, if I, and Baltimore is the type of defense that can do it. Omari Cooper is double covered. Every snap he's on the field, you bracket him with two defenders. And now what are you going to do if you're the Browns? Where are you going to go from there? And so we talk about who else can emerge and who else can fill a role on this team.


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[Assistant] Elijah Moore has to come through. Like, he just has to come through. He's shown nothing to this point. There's gonna come a point where someone like Elijah Moore or Tillman or somebody else is gonna have to emerge and win a game for them.


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[Assistant] It's, it feels like a blind spot at this point, doesn't it? Like it, it feels, especially with mid-round picks. And, and with mid-round picks, a lot of times it's right around now and when it takes him the first few weeks, a couple months to get onto the field.


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[Assistant] And, like, he's not a first round pick. There's a reason he wasn't a first round pick. But I guess the thing that I'm disappointed is, and we've talked about it before, it's not like he forced DPJ off the roster. It's not like he was so good that they had to create a spot for him.


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[Assistant] It was, it was simply a business move with DPJ. They knew he wasn't coming back. I mean, he was the best of all of the mid to late receivers that they've taken.


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[Assistant] If the defense turns him over and gives him a short field, yeaah. Do I, now, but again, this is Brown's offense is not built for coming from behind. If you fall, if they fall down two scores early,


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[Assistant] That's, that's, although we said the same thing at San Francisco and they came back. San Francisco is 10-0, wasn't it? And I remember thinking, well, that's that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it goes back, I wrote about it after the game on Sunday. What is the staple of this Browns offense right now? What's the identity offense? They don't have one.


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[Assistant] It's, it's heavy sets, it's extra linemen, it's extra tight ends, it's screen passes, play action, and take a shot on third down. Like that's it. That's what it is right now.


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[Assistant] I mean, he had, he had, I think probably three throws Sunday that were just, he just ripped them. They were spectacular.


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[Assistant] But can he get to it consistently when he needs it? I don't know. I don't know if he can or not.


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[Assistant] So how would you defend him then? How do you defend Amari then? When he's the only weapon.


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[Assistant] He's, he's in the whole... He almost left the last couple of years. He did. He almost left. And I said I hate this topic and then I brought it up.


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[Assistant] Well, I do think they tried him at left tackle.


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[Assistant] The maturity and the, and all of that, well he's, he's done a terrific job. He's handled it well. He's done a great job. Why mess with it?


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[Assistant] But that tells you, I mean, again, as a fourth round rookie who there's a lot of questions around him, he's still Leap James Hudson like that. So that tells you the faith that they have in James Hudson, which isn't a lot. So what else are you going to do? It might be the, it might.


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[Assistant] Amari I think is top 5 in yards per catch. He's had a couple big, big time plays. I, I, I might have looked this up.


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[Assistant] That's impressive. So and is that his career high? I wonder, it has to be.


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[Assistant] Because when you think of a Mari Cooper, at least I don't. I don't think of like, home run threat. You know what I mean? I don't think a guy who's like, big play, gonna break off a 60 yard reception, I think of a guy who's gonna, who's just consistent, he's gonna move the chains. He's gonna move the chains. 15, 12, move the chains. It is by far, by the way, his best.


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[Assistant] That's products of the quarterback situation. Absolutely. That's indicative of the quarterback who's thrown to the ball. To where, yeaah, I hear what you're saying, Bull, about if...


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[Assistant] Yeah. But it's, it's far different when you're talking about the quarterback play that those guys have gotten and the quarterback play that, that Amari. Give me an injury.


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[Assistant] Right. But it's, it's miles difference in the quarterback play. Well, not between them and the Bears. No, but, well, but Omari's got, what Omari's gotten and what Jamar's gotten and what Keenan Allen's gotten and what some of these other guys that we're trying to lump them in with. Right. I mean.


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[Assistant] It's not even close how bad the quarterback plays. Now, hopefully that's turning, you know, we saw in the second half last week.


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[Assistant] Okay, it's a really bad team. Hopefully it's starting to turn. Bull, I think right now. Yeah.


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[Assistant] He's kind of like the, the Brady Montana to me because there's nothing, he's not physically imposing. No, he's not, he's more athletic than those guys, but he's not doing, he's not a great athlete. And he's not doing like, he's not making Mahomes wow plays and throws and everything, but he just wins. His presence. He just wins. He just makes big time throws and he wins. And it would go back. We said a couple of weeks ago.


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[Assistant] I actually watched- And I'd take the under. I watched a little bit of that Northwestern Iowa game just cause I like to watch car crashes.


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[Assistant] Or you like to watch gas evaporate.


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[Assistant] And I'll talk to you during the game on Sunday too. If you text me, I'll do my best to get back to you.


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[Assistant] I hear what Leroy was saying, but I don't know that I agree with him in terms of, I don't think that they run the ball.


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[Assistant] Successfully. I, I just, when you're, when you, when you are barely getting three yards of carry, three and a half yards of carry, that's not a good run game, as far as I'm concerned. I don't think they have, you can do it by committee, but if you, if you need third and four, who are you giving it to? You have to throw it in that, do you not?


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[Assistant] But like the whole, everyone's like, oh, you think he's got three wheels? Yeah, because if he had four wheels, he'd be the feature back and he'd be getting 20, 22 carries a game and he'd be getting 85, 90 yards a game.


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[Assistant] I think he's been better than Ford. I've seen enough of Jerome Ford and it's disappointing to say because I really had high hopes for him.


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[Assistant] Good to go back to the original question of how comfortable they can run the ball.


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[Assistant] I mean, if you're putting Dewan Jones at left tackle and you're putting James, and again, let's wait and see if this happens. I mean, Dewan's weakness is running the ball.


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[Assistant] So if you put him, like there's only, Mike, what was that thing that you came up with a couple weeks ago? He's much better in pass block. Well no, not that, but there was like only two guys, two spots where you could run the ball effectively, and I think Jed was one of them, wasn't he?


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[Assistant] Hey, you don't know what these guys are going through. That's what Typhus said. Like, and, and personalized, and again, I have no idea, I'm just saying.


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[Assistant] I got it. Like it happens. It happens with these guys too. He could have had an injury that no one really talked about. It could be a number of things because again, I kept saying, I think he's average. I think he's average. I think he's average in the first month.


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[Assistant] He was horrible and I said, I'm breaking up with you. It's not me, it's you. But since then, he has been, he's average, like he's back to just being average. He's not elite. You know what? After moving with the sub-par, we'll talk about that.


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[Assistant] If he's, if he's healthy, if he stays on the field, I think he'll get there.


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[Assistant] That's not great! No! That's solid. It's 200 yards-ish. It's okay. I don't even know if it's solid. It's okay. Two, what is that Mike? Like 210, 215 a game?


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[Assistant] Two runs. One against Pittsburgh and one against Indy, right? Was it Indy?


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[Assistant] But I don't know that you can afford to give him 22 carries a game. To try to hit one home run. To try and get one home run every three weeks.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I had an angry, I think I would go sad because he didn't even get the first two games. Happy, happy. Happy. Because he didn't really play, although he had the 69 yards against the Steelers in the long run when Nick got hurt.


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[Assistant] Oh, well on the- See, I'm just so ambivalent on that play call. I don't really care. I know everyone got up in arms about the 33 run call. I didn't have that big of a problem.


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[Assistant] The numbers favored running it. I know they did.


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[Assistant] Listen, we don't need to go down this rabbit hole again, but I know everyone dislikes PJ Walker and he's substandard. You're still an NFL quarterback. Y'all be able to complete a three. Yeah, but that's why I don't want it. Y'all be able to complete it. Alright, what's next Mike?


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[Assistant] I don't know that I was ever as high on Elijah Moore as everybody else was. Uh, I'm with you on there. Yeah, I am too. I am on the negative on that.


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[Assistant] They've tried him in some roles to make him more of a playmaker and he totally fell on his face. And that wasn't quarterback play or anything else. That was just his ability.


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[Assistant] Well thankfully, it seems like that has been, uh, Sunset, the Elysium War in the back.


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[Assistant] Oh, I was trying to, uh, Nick Shub's third on the team in Russia.


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[Assistant] We've talked before, we talked earlier this week about how it's been hot starts for him in the past and then it kind of slides as the year goes on. I think this is the year that it stays or even gets, goes even higher. Yeah, I agree. This is his year. Defensive MVP.


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[Assistant] He had a sack in garbage time last week. It was at the end of the game. It was at the end.


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[Assistant] This is a different team. This is a different situation. Now these guys that only want to show up for half the year, they might be interested now in coming here. Whereas last year, how much are you going to pay them?


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[Assistant] And again, have to say every dollar counts on this cap and the rollover, but to your point, it should be a minimal.


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[Assistant] I like it. I mean, they have good depth on the defensive line, but you can never have enough depth. There's a reason. Oh, I think there's a couple of reasons why they didn't really do anything with the trade done line in terms of giving away assets because they don't have very many. No, they got to cling to them. And it's the, and it's the cap situation. Every dollar, every dollar matters in the rollover, but you know,


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[Assistant] I looked this up because you kept mentioning it and now I don't remember it. Next time, I'll be ready for you next time.


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[Assistant] But no, his hit next year I think is in line with, with Deshaun, but it hasn't been as egregious until this point. Alright, but it all rolls off.


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[Assistant] Yes, yes, I don't disagree with that. I'm just saying every decision matters, every dollar counts.


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[Assistant] One that I remember. I think three. One that I remember. The third down. The fourth down. Was it the fourth down?


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[Assistant] And the Browns liked Tillman higher than higher. Go ahead Mike, what's the next one?


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[Assistant] I don't care what number you put out there. I was saying yes to... 13 picks! Yes! Yes! My guy Martin. Last one, Mike.


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[Assistant] I'm, I'm, I'm, yes. He'll get one. He'll have one pick for Indianapolis next season. He'll get one. Oooooh. Wow!


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[Assistant] Hey, uh, something free for tomorrow since they're in such a mess at tackle. Joel Batonia left tackle discuss. Yeah, we talked about it.


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[Assistant] Oh my god. It's, it's, it's, it's like, this is a problem.


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[Assistant] I'm telling you, the practice videos that were coming out while we were on the show Friday of his throws on Friday were horrendous. But hey, he pulled together on Sunday.


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[Assistant] His a-dot Sunday was really low for the first half because again, it was all five yards. Sure. A lot of them were five yards.


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[Assistant] Although it was the third drive when he really ripped the one. Yep, you're right. 60 yard throw.


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[Assistant] 50 hours from kickoff. Let's go! Ravens, Browns. This one has a lot of meaning to it. Welcome to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. We're actually going to try to tell you how big this game is in numbers. It's really hard to quantify things like that usually. This one, they're all big, we say that every single week.


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[Assistant] But if you have hopes of winning the division, you better find a way to win this football game because if you don't...


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[Assistant] Yeah, very, very, very big contest. You could make a strong argument that, uh, and they get bigger as the week goes on, but you can make a strong argument. There won't be a bigger game than this unless week 17 comes down to in or out against Bengals.


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[Assistant] Uh, welcome to the show, a lot to get into today. Remember, today's Friday, so we do 90 minutes on YouTube. Then, you know the drill by now, at 12.30, you gotta go catch us on Channel 3 in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] If you're not in the Cleveland market, it's okay. WKYC plus, or you can just go to the UCSS or excuse me, WKYC.com.


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[Assistant] Click the live, watch live button and you can see us for the last 30 minutes. That shows really gaining traction as we go through the season. It's a habit. It's a Friday pregame show.


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[Assistant] And we'll do this during the show that Lamar Jackson is having one of his better seasons. I don't think it's his best season, but perhaps his most complete season. He's taking care of the football and that's always been a problem for him. Uh, lot to get to, but first our first hello of the day to Mikey McNuggets who is sore.


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[Assistant] Do you normally do wall stands? Because there is no surer way to make sure your legs burn than to do a wall stand regimen.


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[Assistant] Yeah, obviously, you know, this is a day that we set aside every year to just give thanks to all those that have served, uhm, and we're doing a piece later today on Channel 3. It's, it's, uh, it's all about, it's called the, uh, the, the Veterans Honors


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[Assistant] And what they do is, they send, and I think this is so cool and we talked to a veteran that has experienced this, they send these veterans


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[Assistant] Those that have served have never had the opportunity to get to DC to look at these memorials and these monuments and the veteran that we spoke with said standing in front


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[Assistant] of the Vietnam memorial was one of the more emotional things he'd ever experienced. Imagine that, if you hadn't been there, and you finally get to see it, the friends that you lost in battle.


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[Assistant] That was a very unpopular war in this country, but this is a day that we set aside to say thanks and we certainly from the bottom of our heart here at UCSS, we, uh, we love all veterans and take this day and enjoy it or actually, uhm, on Monday because it is yours. Is it tomorrow or is it Monday, the official day? We gotta look at that.


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[Assistant] It is, there's a lot of them that are in great need, uhm, and that shouldn't be because they've, uh,


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[Assistant] In many cases gave the best years of their lives to fight for our country and defend our freedom and freedom around the globe. All right, busy show as we mentioned. Uh, I think before we dive in, you've got to read. You want to do a read and then we'll dive into, uh, just how big this football game is.


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[Assistant] Alright, there you go. And by the way, I think that account is not affiliated with THE Hall of Fame. No, it is not. Funny parody account though.


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[Assistant] We know that there are going to be a lot of folks watching this show that win tickets either in college football over the weekend or the NFL. And if you do, send us your winning ticket. What's the easiest way for them to get it to you? Tweet it at us.


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[Assistant] Tweet your winning ticket to us at UCSS and we'd love to share your winnings and your excitement with all of our viewers in our audience. Alright, we talked about it briefly.


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[Assistant] I try to quantify this, guys. Uhm, you can say must win or, you know, close to must win. What is Sunday when the Browns go to the Ravens?


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[Assistant] I mean, you go outside Browns Nation, you give the Browns a chance.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they bring you in, they get you excited, and we're talking to different people, for sure. Uh, the bronze fans that I've interacted with this week are expecting a loss.


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[Assistant] Can they win? I think everybody, of course they can win. They're five and three, they've got a good football team. This certainly isn't a game that you would look at and say they can't win. Right. But the other game this year that I felt they had the slimmest chance of winning, they won with a backup quarterback.


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[Assistant] So because of that, you bet your ass they can win. Now, I think if you really think this thing through,


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[Assistant] You have to come to the conclusion that this would be a big upset if they come away with the win. Vegas doesn't drop touchdown spreads in NFL games very often. That's a lot. That's a big spread. I don't agree with that. It's not the common. The lines are typically between three and four points. Seven points is a big spread.


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[Assistant] Okay, but there are 16 games. So if that's even a third of the games, it's uncommon. It's a lot. I wouldn't call it uncommon.


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[Assistant] Okay. To me, that's really not a touchdown. It's not. Well, but the Browns are six and a half, so they're not a touchdown underdog. I know, but I say throw them in there. It's still not the rule. It's not. So I would say that this would be a pretty big upset.


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[Assistant] It would be. And, and the raven, or the, the browns, the difference between the browns Niners and the browns Ravens obviously is this one's in Baltimore.


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[Assistant] And also these teams are very familiar with each other. And also Baltimore has had the Browns number.


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[Assistant] So I think for the Browns to win, I think most people would say, wow, this is a really nice win being a touchdown underdog. All of that being said,


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[Assistant] I'll get my pick way too. I couldn't pick the Browns. I couldn't get that far.


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[Assistant] I hope they win, I want them to win, but in my mind I can't erase the first game. Now yes, DTR played, but he didn't play defense.


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[Assistant] And we didn't have an answer for that Ravens offense. We just didn't. And that's gonna, that's true. That's gonna be the same. So if you look at it while the Ravens are gonna score 27 points, my next question is can the Browns score 28? And I couldn't get there. I just couldn't.


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[Assistant] I mean now they're at their foot. Right. One of the keys is you better take care of the football. We've talked about how the Browns have been lucky in some games to win even though they didn't win the turnover margin. They don't win this game if they don't win the turnover margin.


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[Assistant] Both particularly as the season goes on. Certainly. Because that's where Care Factor builds.


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[Assistant] I thought that the reason we had the backup quarterback that we do is so you didn't need a different playbook.


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[Assistant] it should be when you loo the defenses of the streng I think Baltimore is more b the Browns are to strengt defense. One of the things at, you sent this out yo


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[Assistant] The Browns lose this game, their chances of making the playoffs slip to 50%.


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[Assistant] Well I saw three of them yesterday. I saw one that said it went to 46%. The other one was 49.6 I'd say.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so the gap between, that's why I said at the top of the show, it's tough to quantify. When you ask the question, how big a game is this? How do you quantify that? It's very difficult. Well, it's a 6.9. You can't, there's no ommeter for that.


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[Assistant] But I think that is the best metric we have. What these, there are different, uh, entities, media arms that do this. They play out the season thousands of times and they basically say, looking at your schedule that remains,


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[Assistant] No, no, not at all. Because again, I think, I think one of the dangers of a fan base getting so excited and thinking that they should win, like,


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[Assistant] Rational thought, again, is it winnable? Yes. But rational thinking, if you were gonna put a pile of money behind it, I don't know how you get to the point that you feel safe putting a lot of money behind the Browns winning. It's a game they're supposed to lose.


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[Assistant] So all that being said, I don't want to hype myself up and think we're coming home 6 and 3, when in reality I know that's a real big ask. And look, it doesn't mean that they can't fix what was wrong in this game going forward. I still have faith that they can and will do that.


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[Assistant] Nobody. And so, you know, the ebbs and flows of the season, they're so fun to watch because I don't know, there's no answer. I watched the end of that Colts game, the fourth quarter in overtime. Right. I can't answer how they beat them. All I know is that Baltimore could not move the ball.


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[Assistant] Cause that's a big spread, a touchdown spread. If they're winning 30% of the time, I would be surprised by that. One thing that I want to point out too, and I think we touched on this earlier this week, but when the Browns, it seems like when the chips are down and they have to have a win,


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[Assistant] They, they always, I always say this, they do just enough to keep us at the table.


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[Assistant] You know, they don't do anything that makes us get up and walk away from the table. Even the last couple of years when they didn't make the playoffs, it came down to week 15, 16, and 17. You know, it's not like they're, you know, a team that's going to be dismissed if they lose a couple of games in a row here. They're still going to be in it. They're in the thick of things in the FC for the wild card.


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[Assistant] The pretender-contender question was interesting to me.


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[Assistant] One thousand percent contender. One thousand percent. Lose? I'm not gonna call them a pretender. They're still in the hunt for an AFC wild card. They've just made things very, very difficult on themselves.


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[Assistant] You slipped a five to five and five and your chances of me, we say they go down from 73% or so if they win down to 43% or whatever that is.


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[Assistant] If they, if they lose the next two games, you're looking at a 25% chance probably of making the playoffs. That's a big ask. It's not gonna happen.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but it just seems to me that because we were there last year, like how many times can you think of off the top of your head that the Browns made road trips to the same non divisional opponent in back to back years? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how they figure that.


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[Assistant] Uh, DeShaw Watson was still, you know, in his comments this week, still pretty clear that he's not 100%. And...


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[Assistant] Let's go play. Play well. I don't hear any excuses. Yeah, there is no excuse. If he doesn't play well, you cannot bring up the shoulder. You can't do it.


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[Assistant] Good, we'll be doing a lot better Sunday at 4 o'clock with a victory. Uhm, one of the things that we sort of found a flashpoint on today's show is whether or not most Browns fans believe that this is a game that, that is gonna end with a victory. I said I think it's winnable.


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[Assistant] I also said that I'm picking the Ravens. They're a touchdown favorite for a reason. Where do you fall on this? If they won, where would you be on your surprise meter? And are you expecting a victory?


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[Assistant] The Ravens could certainly use that. Yeaah, and he backed into it. I mean, it's not like he went there on his own. No, no, no. But, Tim, you're right. Usually guys will give both a compliment and say they're both really good players. He answered the question.


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[Assistant] There are certain relationships in sports that


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[Assistant] Bring a game to an extra level. Sometimes it's a DB versus a wide receiver.


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[Assistant] Very rarely is it a coach against another coach and even more rarely is it


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[Assistant] A head coach who's the brother of a former head coach in the NFL and a defensive coordinator. But there is real history between Jim Swartz and Jim Harbaugh. You guys remember, and I don't know Mike if you can pull that up on tag board, but


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[Assistant] They famously had, I thought they were going to throw hands at one another at the end of a game. It was, you know, one of those deals where Harbaugh


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[Assistant] Let Swartz have it and then Swartz sorta chased it down.


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[Assistant] Now he gets to go against his brother. Uh, do things like that carry over? Do they, do they make a difference in a game like this?


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[Assistant] One of the things that obviously is a big topic of conversation in this game too is the fact that they had such an easy time with the Browns when the game was here.


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[Assistant] In the divisional games, how much carryover is there within the season, one to the other, about what happened the last time they played?


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[Assistant] Tim, I think time has probably healed some of the hatred between these two cities. What was it like when you went to Baltimore for the first time, knowing that you were carrying the hopes and the hatred of an entire city on your back to beat the Ravens?


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[Assistant] Alright, thanks. We'll see ya. It's like, uh, in, in Philly, I think I may have told this story on the show once, but Philly fans are like that. Angry. Angry even in victory. One year when they beat the Bucs to go to the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] We were leaving the field and, you know, myself and my crew had our, you know, ABC Tampa jackets on. Right. And they were yelling at us like we just, like the Buccaneers just won.


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[Assistant] And I stopped and I go, why are you guys so bitter? You won, you're going to the Super Bowl. What the hell? Why are you yelling at us?


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[Assistant] I'd rather win with the other team not at their best than lose and come close with the other team at their best. Just give me the win.


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[Assistant] I can't hate the Steelers as much as I used to because I'll never forget when the Browns left the field for the final time at Three Rivers in 96.


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[Assistant] Ambiguity. Here's the relationship, I'm gonna characterize the relationship between Bull and between Mike. There's clearly love both ways. I love Bull, yea. But it's beginning to feel to me like he's the big brother


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[Assistant] You're the little brother. He points out every little mistake you make. That's not true.


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[Assistant] Wow, guys. Well, they have about three or four defenders who are better than him. Patrick Queen's having a, he's a pro ball. He's having an all-pro season maybe. He's balling out. I'm surprised that you guys know when I had him. He's not even their best linebacker. No, I know he's not, but he's a really good linebacker. Really good linebacker. Now, I've only seen three of their games.


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[Assistant] So, but in the games that I watched, he jumped off the screen. All right. All right. So who did you guys have?


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[Assistant] See, I thought it was easy. I thought it was Mark Andrews at four. I think I had Mark Andrews at five, I think. I got Mark Andrews at ten.


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[Assistant] See now, now I thought about that and I thought if the question was in terms of value to their team, I would have changed it. Because there's no question, Amari Cooper is more


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[Assistant] What I did was I just went on best players. Like this is a draft. Not like how much they help their team or how good they are compared to everybody else in their position. I'm just doing this as an open selection. You've got the whole 106 players in front of you and you can start picking which ones you want.


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[Assistant] For me, because of that reason, I had Mark Andrews a little bit lower. So Cooper was 4? Cooper was 4, besides the quarterback.


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[Assistant] Now I'm guessing, you said there was nobody else that had my four on there. I'm wondering how many of the guys had five.


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[Assistant] Cause I went with Gino Stone and I thought that that was a no-brainer at number


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's not on the list yet. I had him at number seven.


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[Assistant] I think, I, he does, I think if you're going body of work, it's Humphrey. I think if you're going this year, it's Emerson. I'm going Justin Tucker at eight.


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[Assistant] See now, I want to point something out. Bull has made a very emphatic point.


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[Assistant] My biggest miss during the, and I've had a lot of them. My biggest miss during the show was, I applauded the Browns crafting a kicker. I thought it was a great move because it had been an area of concern for a long time. And I believed in this guy, I was wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Because of that,


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[Assistant] And because we got a free kicker, a kicker as a free agent, Bull has made his point this year. Several times in our group chat, in all caps, never ever ever draft a kicker and you got two of them and you


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[Assistant] Is he? He's still been good, but he's missed- He's been good, he hasn't been Justin Tucker. Has he missed? He's missed a couple.


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[Assistant] To keep the kickers off the legs. I'm not putting no new kickers on that. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Wait, let's do this. I know sometimes it can be tricky but he's a linebacker, he gets a lot of tackles. Where is Patrick Queen in tackles?


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[Assistant] The three games I saw him, he was just flashing to me. He was all over the damn field.


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[Assistant] He's 33rd in PFF. Where's Roquan Smith?


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[Assistant] I still can't believe what little they had to give up to get him some bears.


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[Assistant] No, I don't. And I have to, so I confess, I just know that, I don't know what he's done in the other games. I know the three times I've watched him, I remember saying to myself, my god, the Ravens linebacking core is 49ers like. They've got two that are all over the football all the time.


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[Assistant] You know what? This game has a great deal of depth. Well hell, there's seven and two and five and three. That's what you'd expect.


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[Assistant] Oh, you don't want him on? No. Okay, so we gotta agree, we gotta have two guys that agree on someone to go attack.


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[Assistant] It was pretty close. That's about how it shifted. The only guy that missed was Ze Flowers. And he was, uh, honorable mention, for sure.


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[Assistant] I had him at eight. I mean, not based on this year. No, I haven't seen anything that makes me put him on there. Now, if he beats Baltimore, there's a lot of good players, a lot of pro bowlers.


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[Assistant] And you mentioned a lot of guys, I think the bias of this draft is we tend to think skills position. Yea, right. But you mentioned a lot of guys that are not skills position guys that are really, really good amongst their peers. Right. And that probably, in honesty, should have been in here. Yea, I mean,


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[Assistant] Alright, let's uh, let's do our five piece of McNuggets. This is five stats that we probably have overlooked during the course of our conversation of this game in the week. And McNuggets goes to 7,000 different websites to find these. I don't know where you come up with these.


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[Assistant] Get a lot of games. Mike, I agree with you that the second most important thing a defense can do is, is to hold a team to three and out. Sure. After turning over the football.


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[Assistant] They're not as good as turnovers, but if you pick up a couple of first downs and you end up punting and the Ravens go three and out and they punt, you added 20 yards to your field position. And you can keep doing that until it leads to a score.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Mcnuggets, one question, and I don't know if you can find this out. What was the Ravens percentage when we played them the first time? How many times were they held?


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[Assistant] Okay, yeaah, that's a tough one to find. I'm just wondering, you know, how they were against the Ravens when it comes to three and outs in their earlier, in their earlier game. Oh boy, I got it. Hold on.


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[Assistant] I don't like what I've seen from him. We all pretty much agree that it's time to see what Pierre Strong can do if he gets Ford's carries. Yes.


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[Assistant] Looking around. It's like the punt returner that doesn't catch it and immediately run north and south. East and west on punt returns doesn't get it and it doesn't get it in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Gino Stone may have more than the entire Browns team. Probably.


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[Assistant] Whoever is responsible for this, and I don't know, is it the OC? Is it the head coach? Is it Lamar just putting in all kinds of extra work?


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[Assistant] They, every off season they go back and they say, what was my Achilles? Was it, and I think we had a guy this year in Josh Naylor who his Achilles was red flashing lights, he can't get left handed pitching. He went back into the lab.


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[Assistant] He completely flipped that script. I think Lamar Jackson should be applauded because I think he's done the same thing.


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[Assistant] Six straight games with a sack. And I think that Ray Lewis never did it. All of the stalwart defensive linemen that they've had over the years. No Raven has ever had six straight. I wouldn't have either, but he's, he's going to be, yeah.


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[Assistant] And you don't like that matchup automatically because they're held together by band-aids right now.


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[Assistant] They're screwed. It's a really good stat, Mike. And again, a really good job. Nice job, Mike. The five piece McNuggets. Really, really good things to think about as you get ready to watch this game.


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[Assistant] Uh, Bull and G have three, Tyvis are sitting at two. What, we got three more? Two or three more.


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[Assistant] Hold on, that must be a clerical error, I am on that ace. Alright, let's fix that. Yeaah, I can't imagine they would have done that without telling us.


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[Assistant] We're gonna tease that at 12 o'clock. We'll give you Earl's Betts. Let's get into some realistic, fun, and best quarterback two options for the Cleveland Browns. Full disclosure, we got your guys answers yesterday before Monday Night Football, so boy, you're up first with Kirk Cousins. And I believe your answer's gonna change some.


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[Assistant] Alright, who's next? We're gonna go G Bush is up next and G, you brought this up on the show yesterday. We have talked about Jacobi Burset in the past, but where is Jacobi Burset to you on your Kool-Aid meter, G?


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[Assistant] You mentioned a backup veteran quarterback. This next guy on our list is a veteran. Been around for quite a while. Tyvis, where in the Kool-Aid meter do you fall for one James Winston?


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[Assistant] All right, next up, and we're going to spend a little time on this one, Jay. I know this is the one you were most excited about. What about possibly making a phone call to a part-time owner of the Las Vegas Raiders and convincing him to come back and play football? What about Tom Brady? I'm calling him. I'm calling him.


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[Assistant] I hope we're gonna fly through these because we've got to grade some PFF graders before we bring on Mary Kay. So Tyvis, you're up next. How about Tyrod Taylor? Any interest in the Giants backup quarterback?


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[Assistant] Let's fly through these last through. It's whoever person's coolant meter, as you can explain it, we'll move on, cause everyone's got one more, then we're gonna grade some PFF grades. Carson Wentz bowl, uh, not very high in Carson Wentz.


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[Assistant] Jay, you're up next with your final one. How about Bailey Zappi, the second slash third string quarterback, the putridly offensively New England Patriots.


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[Assistant] Last one, Tyvis, it's all you. How about, Cam Newton?


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[Assistant] Maybe next week. Maybe next week. Let's start with Myles Garrett though. Myles Garrett who played a phenomenal game.


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[Assistant] Graded out by PFF at a 94.2 that is the second highest single game PFF grade Miles Garrett has ever received trailing only his week one performance last season against Carolina. J with a B minus, Tyvis with an A, G with a question mark, and Bull with an A. G with a C plus. Let's hear from the guys who disagree. I mean.


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[Assistant] And Michael Parsons against the Jets in week two, where he had six pressures, two sacks, two more quarterback hits, two more hurries, two tackles for loss, two force fumbles and four run stops. That's very good. That's right.


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[Assistant] Speaking of running backs, how about Kareem Hunt? Two touchdowns including the game winner, PFF. Graded him at a 63.8.


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[Assistant] What I got an A, a C minus two ways of B plus. So we are all over the board here. I don't like it. Um, because.


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[Assistant] We got three more in Mary Kay and the Q, so we're gonna run through these last three. P.J. Walker. He's graded out at a 49 and a half. He's at a fair grade, too high, too low.


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[Assistant] Of the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. And with that, we welcome in our Hall of Famer. It is Mary Kay Cabot of cleveland.com. How you doing today, Mary Kay?


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[Assistant] Well, if you go to the year before, I'm just going back to 2021 real quick. Yeah, what about that year? Some third round receivers include Nico Collins in Houston, who's been very good.


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[Assistant] This year also. This year also. And I'll go back to 2020 just for one more comparison sake here and I'm just rolling through. You had a nobody and nobody.


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[Assistant] Are you confident the Browns can sustain their level of success in the ground game without Jerome Ford? Is Pierre Strong and Kareem Hunt ready to step up and carry the load?


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[Assistant] You want to throw it to the Jay Groot interview? I do. Tomorrow, behind the glass, we're not sure exactly what time, but it will be tomorrow. Full Cavs preview. We're gonna have a lot of fun. Myself, Anthony Earl, previewing the Cavs season, which does tip off tomorrow. And Earl, give the people out there a, uh, a parlay for the opening night of the NBA season.


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[Assistant] Well coach, thanks again for taking some time to hang out with us today. You can find coach, his son, JJ and Grant Pusker on the taking the points pod wherever you find your podcast. Coach, I have a couple of questions first.


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[Assistant] Bill Belichick always talked about Larry Fitzgerald in the highest of lights. When you were scouting opposing teams, was there one player who consistently kind of popped off the screen as a guy you're like, damn, that dude's way better than he gets credit for.


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[Assistant] When you guys are coming up with names of plays, I heard Kyle Shanahan go over one of his play calls and it was like 38 words long. When you're coming up with the play name to give to the quarterback, how in the world do you guys come up with a 15 word cadence that they're supposed to remember and know what it's supposed to be?


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[Assistant] Thanks again. Check out coach Gruden, JJ and Grant on the taking the points pod as I was doing research for this coach.


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[Assistant] I had no idea, and I bet you Bull and Jay don't know.


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[Assistant] Now you're an Arena Football League Hall of Famer, a two-time Arena League Champion, you threw 400 touchdown passes in the are- no?


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[Assistant] Okay, that's it. You threw 400 touchdowns, two MVPs, a 104.72 passer rating. Coach, which quarterback in the NFL most resembles your playing style back in the arena?


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[Assistant] Yes. Uh, yes, so far that has me. Vernell Jackson says, y'all used my entire super chat as a talking point. I love it, mama. I made it. Thanks, Jay. TB12. Let's go.


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[Assistant] I just read an article on possible names being traded. Ryan Tannehill was listed. Thoughts on Tannehill we mentioned earlier. His cap hit is just too high.


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[Assistant] And I'm Mikey McNuggets, and I'm going to tell you why Mario Cooper better be a heavy part of Kevin's The Fancy's game plan this week, or else. Man, no, I, I buy that. Or else what?


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[Assistant] Thanks Jay. Well, we are joined again by Bernie Kozar, the one, the only, the legendary Browns quarterback. Bernie, you have played in some very tough environments throughout your career. You know better than anyone the difficulties of being a quarterback, making changes and adjustments in front of a raucous opposing crowd. So what does PJ Walker have to do this Sunday in Seattle to keep this offense on track?


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[Assistant] Last week heading into Indianapolis, we said, how do the Browns avoid a trap game? Well, now they're the underdogs in Seattle. So Bernie, what's the recipe to pulling off an upset?


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[Assistant] Kenneth Walker is number four. He had six points in our final tally, which leaves the last spot open as a second Brown going to make it into the last spot.


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[Assistant] Four Seahawks after Bobby Wagner, DK Metcalf, Metcalf, excuse me, Kenneth Walker.


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[Assistant] That's Steve's brother, his niece, his, uh, great, no, not great, great nephew. Yeah, great nephew.


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[Assistant] But, uh, and at 101, good for her. Yeaah. Wow, 101. We should all be so lucky to live to 101.


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[Assistant] I don't know, maybe some of us don't want to live to 101, who knows.


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[Assistant] It's never too late to work out. That's true. That's true. I took my semi-glutide today. You taking that, right? You got it back again? The semi-glutide, yeaah.


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[Assistant] It was not a compliment, Dave, uh, Mike, sorry. No, but anyway, you guys got your good workout in and there we go.


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[Assistant] No. Man, I can't remember anything right now. My brain is just fried. The Running Man with Arnold Schwarzenegger, where they wore, who saw the Running Man? You see the Running Man? Arnold Schwarzenegger, they wore those outfits. That was what you guys look like now.


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[Assistant] Let's try to right the ship here a little bit. We got a lot of football to talk about today. Uh, Brown's obviously playing the Ravens on Sunday. Huge game. Uh, and it's an opportunity certainly for both Deshaun Watson and the Browns to prove they belong.


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[Assistant] To some degree, you did that against San Francisco, no doubt. I think this...


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[Assistant] Browns win this game against Baltimore. People are going to be looking at the Browns differently.


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[Assistant] And so now we start to break down the matchup as we get late in the week. And Mike is, we're talking defense, right? The Ravens and the Browns have probably the two best defenses in the league. Whose is better? We're gonna discuss. First, Mike's got some facts for us on this. Mike.


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[Assistant] That, you know, now, obviously, if you're not, at this point we're at the halfway point of the season.


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[Assistant] So it's enough of a sample size that obviously if you're number one or you're number three, you're good.


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[Assistant] How good though, you need to know the opponents, you know, like the quality of the opponents compared to the other people in that mix.


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[Assistant] So who are the two, so what is the one game, who's the only team the Browns have played that the Ravens haven't played?


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[Assistant] Right, right. So, and those teams are, are, you know, good offensively as well.


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[Assistant] In fairness though, the Cardinals had, when they played the Ravens, they had Josh Dobbs. Now Josh Dobbs isn't great, but he's better than the kid who played last week.


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[Assistant] Then I'm taking the Browns because the Browns defense has a much tougher test this week. Well, Watson's playing, so I'm not going to say much tougher test. But obviously Lamar's playing a lot better than Watson right now. So it's a tougher test this week for the, plus it's on the road. It's a tougher test for the Browns defense than it is for the Ravens defense.


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[Assistant] So if the Browns win the defensive battle this week, if I had to say right now, oh gee, you go, and then I'll go with you. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] I agree with pretty much everything G said there. Listen, this is splitting hairs. It's 5149 brown.


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[Assistant] It's, I mean, it's as close as it gets. But for a lot of the reasons G said, and I'm gonna start with the most important thing he said, and that's Miles Garrett, that in the end is the difference. Now, I could argue the other way and say, if Miles Garrett gets hurt, the Browns are screwed.


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[Assistant] Yes. Whereas the Ravens don't necessarily have that one player that would be a big problem if he got hurt.


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[Assistant] I will say, I do think the Ravens have, if you look at the three units,


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[Assistant] On the defense, I think the Ravens edge at linebacker is pretty significant over the Browns, I think. Whereas the Browns are better on the D-line end than the secondary, but not by as much as I think the Ravens are ahead at linebacker. But overall, I think the Browns are ahead by a hair. I think what you said about


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[Assistant] The Ravens are playing all these games with a lot of confidence in their offense. And that takes pressure off the defense. The Browns have not been able to play that way the entire season.


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[Assistant] By the way, Gino Smith is not playing well. Tell me about it, he's on my fantasy team. He is not playing well, Gino Smith. He got paid. But uhm, the Browns...


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[Assistant] Do, the Browns have a slight advantage. It's very, ever so slight. I love the linebacker, O-Way, I can't think of his first name.


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[Assistant] He was a big difference maker. Yeah. Because their defense was not very good last year and they got him.


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[Assistant] I think ultimately, and I do agree with Gene, like they've, they've had more dominant efforts.