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[Assistant] If that's the case, then the browsers have to overcome what some teams don't, which is a pain in the ass meddling owner. And that's unfortunate because Kevin Stefanski has done a really good job and shouldn't be forced to make a move that he doesn't want to make. When you force coaches to do things they don't want to do, that's not going to work out in the long run.


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[Assistant] Including Bill O'Brien. That apparently was Tony Grossi's answer, because all these old guys, they don't know what the hell they're talking about. I don't want anybody from their Bill Belichick tree. They're all poisonous, they all suck, and I don't, I don't count, uh, uh, Grable as part of the tree, because he didn't coach on the-


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[Assistant] Maybe I'm wrong, we'll find out, but I want nothing to do with Bill O'Brien, nor anybody else.


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[Assistant] I mean, you know, we all know who Deuce Daly is.


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[Assistant] The head coach has a guy or a girl that he talks to. They all have one, at least one person in the media that's their person when they want to put stuff out there. That's just how it works.


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[Assistant] I think the only reason I would fire somebody for something like that is if I felt their intentions were coming from a bad place.


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[Assistant] Do they not know the business? All this stuff gets broken before they're ready to do it. So, you know, the Browns are not unique here. Every team information gets out before maybe the team runs through.


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[Assistant] Well, and plus like now, there's so much reporting of, of, uh, rumors.


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[Assistant] Even though football is the biggest sport, baseball really has the most newsbreakers, for whatever reason. I feel like with football, it's almost always either Schefter, Rappaport, or lately, Josina. I mean, who else breaks news?


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[Assistant] Baseball, not all the time, the big guys break a lot, most of the stories, but beat reporters do break stories in baseball.


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[Assistant] Daily Browns reporter. It has been, it was a tough adjustment because I was used to working in New York where baseball is so much bigger.


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[Assistant] Well, I used to come on, like when I was working in New York, cause I was like the filling guy, part-time guy, I would often come on the weekends after we would, at the time they had met games on the station, I was at, now they carry Yankees.


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[Assistant] But I would come on after a met game, and I would talk about the nuance of that game.


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[Assistant] The pitching changes and all these things. We just don't really do that. It's a playoff game, you know.


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[Assistant] Don't do six. I'm doing my folks. I'm going to interrupt you and say, I'm doing my Adam the bull live tonight, every Thursday, 6 p.m. Mike's a favorite. We're working


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[Assistant] I have all four pretty close. Sure. Like I don't think there's big gaps. As they were this year. Yeaah, I don't think there's big gaps between any of them.


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[Assistant] The Bengals and Ravens quarterback situations are much more steady. Now,


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[Assistant] Burroughs now had a couple of big injuries in his career. If he gets hurt again this year, well maybe we're looking at it differently. For now, I don't put him in that injury prone category yet, but he's one serious injury away from joining the injury prone category, and then I'm gonna look at him differently.


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[Assistant] You know, listen, if he misses a significant amount of time next year, I will have to look at him differently the following offseason.


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[Assistant] Right now, I'm not putting him in the injury prone category. And he's the best, he's been, since he's been in the league, the most reliable quarterback in this division. Obviously, Lamar's had a better year, but Lamar's been a little more up and down. So I, I would put now, the rate, it's so hard to me between the Ravens and the Bengals, because


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[Assistant] The Ravens are better defensively than the Bengals. I think the Bengals have better skill position talent, but I think the Ravens have closed the gap, and the Bengals could lose T. Higgins. Yeaah. So, and because...


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[Assistant] I assume they will, but I assume, but I don't, you know, I don't know that for sure, but I think it's a pretty, pretty safe bet they will.


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[Assistant] They don't really have anybody else. They could franchise DJ Reader, but he's old enough where I doubt they would do that. But uhm...


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[Assistant] So I am gonna put the Ravens here and the Bengals right here. So one and one. It's close. Even though I still, right now, think Joe Burrow's better than Lamar Jackson, I think the Ravens have seemed a little better than the Bengals, and then I put the Browns right here. I mean, it's that close.


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[Assistant] On defense is, is better than the, it's definitely better than the Bengals on defense.


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[Assistant] I think right now, Joe Burrow vs. Deshaun Watson's too big a gap for me to put the Browns over the Bengals. So I put the Browns third and the Steelers fourth, but I think they're all close. Like if you said, I've been picking the Steelers to go over under 500 for the last bunch of years. I'm not going to do that next year. Finally.


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[Assistant] And you say, well, who's the team in the AFC North that's definitely going to be under 500 next year? I can't answer that. I don't think there's anybody I would say definitely under 500. So I think it's really close, but right now I'd have Ravens 1, Bengals 2, Browns 3, Steelers 4.


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[Assistant] And also like, and he's a free agent, Tyler Boyd. I don't, I think he's gonna be gone. But Tyler Boyd is better than any second Browns receiver. Without question. And he's been their third guy for the last four years.


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[Assistant] That moment unfortunately is gone, the season is over, and uh, I guess the most disturbing thing is if, if this was hand, if this is an ownership decision, to move on.


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[Assistant] I don't love that, but I can live with it if Kevin Stefanski is allowed to


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[Assistant] Pick the guys he wants to bring in with new ideas, and not Jimmy Haslam picks the guys. Because the idea that Jimmy would pick some guys that don't mesh with Stefanski, to me is a doomed strategy.


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[Assistant] That will eventually blow up in their face. So I'm hoping Kevin Stefanski, whether it was his decision or not to let Alex Van Pelt go, uh, gets to hire the next guy. Do you have confidence that he will?


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[Assistant] Alright, I talked over you three times there, I apologize.


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[Assistant] Uh, I'm curious, this has nothing to do with the Browns or anything, but, you know, yesterday, uhm, there was, I don't know, did you see this, this thing with the Lions be, uh, some, some reporter at a Lions press conference asking, uh, not the Lions, the Buccaneers. Did you see this?


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[Assistant] About the cold weather in Detroit, the reporter didn't know that it was an indoor stadium. Now...


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[Assistant] It sounded to me like maybe this was a news reporter, which that happens sometimes. Same to me.


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[Assistant] No, but I think it does matter if she, I mean, like, and so of course, you know.


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[Assistant] Right. My first reaction was like, what an idiot, you know, and wanting to like make fun of her like anybody else. But, but then I was like, I saw people saying,


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[Assistant] I don't know, do we have to shit on everybody that screws up, that makes a mistake? And I know I do it a lot. I make fun of people sometimes, and it's mean.


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[Assistant] Mike, I gotta say, before we get to the Cavaliers here. Yes. Give me 60 seconds to say. Take it, you're good. That Mikey McNuggets, I've known the man for now a year and a half.


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[Assistant] Well, more than that. Yeaah. A year and three quarters.


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[Assistant] He is, and I've worked with excellent producers in my career. Now you have. Mikey McNuggets is the best producer I've ever worked with. I say this sincerely. Now I'm leading up to a criticism, but I'm gonna, but I'm, I'm starting.


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[Assistant] No, because they're minor criticisms. If I had to give Mikey McNuggets a score out of a hundred.


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[Assistant] He is phenomenal. I love him. I love him as a human being. I love him as producer. He is creative. He's thoughtfully smart. He's the hardest worker I've ever met. He's on top of everything. But there's three minor piccadilly's I have with Mike.


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[Assistant] When, and I know why you do it, because some members of the panel don't pay attention.


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[Assistant] But when you, so, we all have earpieces, right? You see, you see the earpiece there? We all wear earpieces during the show. So Mike can talk to us without it going over the air. But when we're doing an interview, it can be distracting, because I'm trying to hear what the person's saying. Oh, you don't like that.


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[Assistant] I, I, I know it's part of the deal, I don't lie, but I don't mind that he does it because he has to. He has no choice. But he always says what he ever says twice.


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[Assistant] And the third Piccadilly, he just did it right there.


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[Assistant] We talked about the Browns for an hour and 40 minutes because he's panicked that the segment of our audience that only cares about the Browns is going to leave because we're talking about Kat.


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[Assistant] All fair, right? Let me tell you something. I couldn't love Mike more than I do. No, I couldn't either. I call him the vertebrae


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[Assistant] I'll do my own pickadillies. I'll do my own too, but I'll do them another day because we've already wasted too much time.


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[Assistant] But the problem is, and I've seen people lately say, just trade Garland, trade Garland. Well you can't because you know Donovan's gonna leave. Whether it's this season at the end of next year or the year after.


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[Assistant] But Mike, and I agree, and I actually agree with Jay too, and you said that to me before the show, and I said, well why not trade Mobly then? And you said no.


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[Assistant] That the Cavs could win a series against Philly, Boston and Milwaukee in the playoffs.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't think we really have time to talk about it now, we should probably... We'll save that, you're right, we'll save that, you're right, you're right.


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[Assistant] The idea of the Cavs and Guardians being on Amazon, I was very excited. And then I read that the Guardians have nothing to do with this deal. I don't understand what's going on.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, the Cavs might be, but like, right now, I can't watch the Guardians. I'm gonna have to figure it out by baseball season, because I have YouTube TV. I can't, even if I get the MLB extra innings, it's blacked out here. You know, I can't watch the Guardians.


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[Assistant] Well that's what I get my internet, I get my internet through DirectEV18.


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[Assistant] It's still up in the air right now. Major League Baseball has gotta make their games more accessible.


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[Assistant] Right, if I could pay 10 bucks a month or 15 bucks a month just to watch The Guardians on Amazon.


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[Assistant] I know, but according to this deal, and it's not been finalized yet, Amazon would get some of the baseball


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[Assistant] Oh, you, you know, that might be it, Todd. He getting money. I see.


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[Assistant] Well, to be honest with you, it's just win, win the big games. I mean, after the Ravens game, he was...


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[Assistant] We haven't seen that yet, so 17. You get 17, you good in my books. Now, of those 17 games, you will have some big games. I think the schedule came out. It's some pretty big games on that schedule next year. And the thing is, the big games this year outside of Baltimore, a lot of the big games that the Browns won this year,


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[Assistant] You weren't there, you know? So they, so we know that this team are, already has what it takes to beat some of those big teams, those big games, win those big games. Without him. Without you.


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[Assistant] So with you there, you should be winning by a landslide. Now it also, it ultimately depends on what this front office does. You definitely need some help in that wide receiver room. We need that line to be right and we need that running back room to be good. But ultimately this whole thing comes back to you because even without Nick Chubb, even with a messed up line,


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[Assistant] My boy, Phillip, he did it. So, with that being said, like you have to come out here and win those type of games.


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[Assistant] I, I co-sign everything that you said and to be honest with you, I think the number one thing that he has to realize is, and it,


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[Assistant] I suffer with this, and it took me a while to get this one, is that you can't care about


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[Assistant] What you see on social media. You can't care about it. The only people that you should care about the opinion of is the people that's in that building.


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[Assistant] Those other 52 people that's on that roster, that's who you owe it to. That coaching staff that's with you that's making significant changes just to try to help you get back to who you was, that's who you owe it to. If you feel like you need some motivation, think about those teammates that you got. These guys is depending on me to be number four. Four. They won't fold. Go be that guy.


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[Assistant] When they're away from that building and people talk about you to your teammates, those, your teammates, the ones that step up and say, hold on bro, you ain't about to talk about folk like that.


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[Assistant] Like that's, those are the people that you need to be, get back to who you was for.


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[Assistant] So like G said, you need to forget the rest of the world. It's not about what media members like you, what people in the world say about you.


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[Assistant] On Sunday, it's all about the Cleveland Browns and being the best version of Deshaun Watson that you can be. And if you can do that, you can look yourself in the mirror and say that and look your teammates in the eyes after every game and say, Hey, I did everything I could to win that game.


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[Assistant] You'll get the respect. That, that right there is much more than any media member or anybody can ever say to you. You can have your, your brothers that's in battle with you look you in your face and say, bro, I respect what you did. You gave it everything you got. And that's sincere.


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[Assistant] That's better than any appraisal or approval that you'll get from anybody. So that's what you need to be focused on. My personal opinion.


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[Assistant] I think for me the best, the biggest thing about Deshaun Watson is the biggest difference between Joe and Deshaun is that


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[Assistant] So I think that that for me is the biggest difference between Joe and Deshaun. Like Deshaun, don't get me wrong, Deshaun is great. He brings a great energy in there. Everybody's excited to play with Deshaun. Like how do I know? Cause I told you, I hear the press conference. They'd be like, Oh my God, wait till y'all see phone, wait till y'all see this. So I know that he has that ability.


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[Assistant] But on Sunday, he got to prove it. He got to raise the level of play, right? Say the difference between good quarterbacks and great quarterbacks is can they make the people around them better? And Joe Flacco came in there and he did this.


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[Assistant] If he's calling plays here. Well, I like the fact that he brought up the fact where he was like, when Josh Allen first came out, they did, they hired, got a bunch of veteran players around. That was smart. That's smart. And then you think about Deshaun Watson in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] It's kind of been an opportunity, he's got a Mark Cooper who's a vet, and yea you went and got Elijah Moore, but he's still a young guy who hasn't proven anything, and then the next guy was Cedric Tillman who's a rookie, so.


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[Assistant] To become one of the best big men in the Eastern Conference Finals. I mean the man is a walking double-double every night and he's become, actually he's been in games where he's been the direct reason why they've won games. So yes, he deserves to be an All-Star.


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[Assistant] No, I mean, the people that it's between, it was Bam, Paolo,


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, I think he's, I think that obviously he should probably start the game.


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[Assistant] Uhm, see how that thing goes there, uh, cause he's gotta find his place in this lineup, I mean.


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[Assistant] If Donovan is going to continue to be the main ball handler and continue to take that point guard role, then it's time for DG to... Do you think he will with Garland coming back? Yeaah, he should.


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[Assistant] This, right now to me, when I look at them, and I'm not saying they're the same thing, I'm just trying to give you a comparison. When Kyrie KD and James Harden went to Brooklyn together, okay, when James Harden got there,


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[Assistant] Kyrie said, you the point guard. I'm not, I'm not doing it no more. James, you got it.


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[Assistant] Darius got to do the same thing with Donovan. I got to work off ball. I know it's not what you want to do. I know that you are really good with the ball in your hand and you like to be a facilitator.


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[Assistant] Now you can become a better player because you can work off ball and you can show that you can create your own shot and all of those things. Do you think Darius will do that? He has no choice. Well we hope that the teams make sure. I'm trying to keep him in the starting lineup. That's what I'm saying. To be in the starting lineup. Well, I agree with everything you said. I'm not sure the Cavs see it.


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[Assistant] No, that's not, I, he's my favorite Cavs player. Okay. I'm not trading him.


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[Assistant] We can't, we, we, we, let's see. Well, this is what I'll say. I'll say that in his career,


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[Assistant] It's gonna come a time where you gotta learn how to do something else. You can't just be a one trick pony. You gotta be able to do other things.


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[Assistant] Donovan Mitchell. Everybody else on this team has done it outside of Jared Allen because he ain't shooting no threes. But everybody else has something on their game where something's happened and it's been forced to work on something and they translated it to the game and it's brought success.


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[Assistant] I invented that term, by the way. Well, I still think it's silly. Fine, that's fine. I don't know that I actually invented it, but I think I did. Now we have the Watson Warriors. That's a new group.


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[Assistant] It's too, it's not good. It's not good. And I will say this, well before we get to Baker, let's talk, let's talk about the positive, and that's the Steelers lost.


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[Assistant] My opinion, he did the wrong thing in leaving. However, I give him a pass because 99...


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[Assistant] 999 times out of 1000. He's amazing with the media and he's always willing to answer questions. So I'll give him a pass. It was a frustrating loss. I agree with Jason. He could have just said, hey, I'm not talking about that today. And then take him the next question. He should have. That's what he probably should have done. He knew he was going to get that question. I think there was, there was obviously


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[Assistant] He should have made that choice. The reality is that, in the second half, adjustments almost didn't matter because the two picks, no matter what the defense did.


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[Assistant] Alright, in about 10 minutes, we're gonna go to the Browns, and we're gonna talk about the Browns the rest of the show. But we gotta talk a little Baker Mesa.


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[Assistant] First of all, Mike, do you want to put the tweet I put out yesterday that just threw a grenade into Twitter?


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[Assistant] This is what I put on Twitter last night after the game. I pissed off the Baker Bros and the Watson Warriors. Well, yeaah, kind of both.


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[Assistant] Well, that's not my tweet, but that's the same stat. Playoff wins since 18. Baker 2, Browns 1, Lamar 1.


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[Assistant] I know, but people got mad, cause I'm, you know, I was trolling a little bit there, I was just kinda having some fun.


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[Assistant] Alright, let me give you some thoughts on Baker Mayfield. It's mostly facts. If I'm giving any opinion along the way, I will clearly state that it's an opinion, okay?


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[Assistant] Well, this is kind of an opinion, but it's a positive, so I'll call it a fact, because people can't get mad at me.


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[Assistant] Uh, has played very well in history, overall in his three playoff games.


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[Assistant] And against the Eagles this year. He played very, he played excellent against the Steelers. He played excellent, yes, excellently, uh, against the Eagles. He played okay against the Chiefs. He didn't come through at the end, uh, when he had a chance. But overall, seven touchdowns and one pick in the postseason for Baker Mayfield. Excellent numbers.


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[Assistant] And after last night's game and his performance and all the craziness that surrounds Baker, I got thinking to myself, so,


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[Assistant] Did the Browns do the right thing in letting Baker go? So I need to do that. I needed to look, yes, at this past season, but I also needed to look at his career because the Browns didn't have to make that decision now. They had to make that decision two years ago when it was a different set of facts, right? If you look back at Baker's career in 2018,


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[Assistant] He had a very good season for a rookie. I think that's a key point here. He had a very good season for a rookie. He set the touchdown record for rookies. He did. It may be broken by now, I don't know. Oh, Justin Herbert shattered it up. Okay. What my point is,


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[Assistant] Is that CJ Stroud this year had a great season, an MVP level season. Baker Mayfield didn't have that kind of season in 2018. He had a very good season for a rookie. 2019 he was terrible. You look at the numbers across the board, 22 touchdowns, 21 picks. The 2020 season was really strange, right?


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[Assistant] Through the first 10 weeks, DeBrown's had a decent record, right? But he had only played 4 good games through the first 10 weeks. 6 bad games. In his 4 good games, he threw 11 touchdowns and 4 picks.


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[Assistant] In the other six games in the first ten, he had four touchdowns and five picks, and averaged 185 yards a game, and that included, uh, uh, well, doesn't include anything, doesn't matter. But, down the stretch of the 2020 season, he was phenomenal.


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[Assistant] Is last year with the Browns, again he was terrible. Now you, you want to present the injuries, fine, we all know that thing. The bottom line, he was terrible again that year. Last year, outside of


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[Assistant] Two decent games with the Rams. He was a disaster. This year, overall a great year.


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[Assistant] Uh, in his career, Baker Mayfield in 89 games, 137 touchdowns, including 7 rushing touchdowns. 91 turnovers, including 17 lost fumbles. He has a 62 career, uh, completion percentage. Only players worse than that that have played 50 games that are still active are Sam Darnold and James Winston.


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[Assistant] He has a 2.6% interception percentage. The only players worse, active, 50 or more games, Jamis, Darnold, Jimmy G, Andy Dalton, and Mitch Trubisky. And he's 19th in yards per game in his career. Now he's been a lot better overall since leaving the Browns.


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[Assistant] And this past year in Tampa Bay. But here's a key stat that I saw for Baker.


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[Assistant] You know what his record is? 45 games he's played in his career against teams that finished the season over 500. Wanna guess what his record is?


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[Assistant] Okay, his record is 11 and 34 in, in games against teams that were over 500. And you say, well, Bull, that's not fair. Take out the Browns. What is he since leaving the Browns? Well, he's 4 and 13 since leaving the Browns.


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[Assistant] But wait, what about this year? Okay, this year, I'll give you this year specifically. He is four and seven against teams over 500. Now,


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[Assistant] Congratulations to him because in the last month he won back to back games for the first time ever against teams over 500 when he beat the Packers and Jaguars. It was the first time in the history of his career that he's won games against teams that finished the season over 500. Not necessarily that with teams over 500 at the time.


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[Assistant] Uh, and if you look at his career numbers, he is one of only three quarterbacks that is averaged over a turnover a game and under 1.6 touchdowns per game. Only him, Trevor Lawrence, and Josh Allen. There's very few quarterbacks averaging over a turnover a game in their career. He's one of the few.


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[Assistant] I'm sorry, not Josh Allen. Trevor Lawrence and Daniel Jones. Now, Trevor, uh, uh, Josh Allen has averaged more than one turnover a game. He's averaged just over 109, slightly more than Baker. Baker's averaged 1.02 turnovers per game. Josh Allen's averaged 1.09, so Allen's slightly worse.


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[Assistant] That he's a starter in the NFL. I don't think there's any doubt about it. But. So he's in the top 32.


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[Assistant] Uh, but in conclusion, I do, now this is my opinion obviously, I don't blame the Browns for moving on for Baker Mayfield.


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[Assistant] With the facts he had through four years. With the facts the Browns had for four years.


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[Assistant] He was not good enough. There was more bad than good in the four years that Baker played for the Browns. You can get blinded by the one playoff win and he was great in that.


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[Assistant] I don't think the Browns made the wrong move. Now, at this point I do think they made the wrong move trading for Deshaun Watson, although I love that. But that's part and parcel.


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[Assistant] I don't, they didn't have to be. They were. They are. They're, they're, they're, they're linked forever. But, because I felt it was the right move to, to, at the time, it was the right move to trade, to get rid of Baker and trade for Watson. At this point, it looks like the Watson part of that was, was a fail. So, there you go. Now you can stop ignoring the show.


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[Assistant] While plenty of Cleveland Browns fans are talking about this, are talking about Baker Mayfield on Twitter, we could have moved on for it sooner if you hadn't been rude and ignored me. But it's okay, go ahead and move on.


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[Assistant] Can Nick Chubb be the number one running back for the Browns next year? I think he can.


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[Assistant] Uh, will he be? I'm not 100% sure. Because I don't know what the Browns think about it. We, you know, we're not privy to the details of the medical situation that they are. I would say this. Tyvis is correct.


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[Assistant] However, you know who did come back? The guy who came back the quickest? Adrian Peterson. Adrian Peterson. To me, Nick Chubb is Adrian Peterson freak level. I believe that. I agree. Some people think that's sacrilegious. I don't. I think Nick Chubb is Adrian Peterson quality, in my opinion.


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[Assistant] I would. I, I 100% believe in Nick Chum. Now, I gotta bring the cap number down. Nick Chum knows I gotta get him. Nobody's paying him as good as he is. Coming off that injury, nobody's paying him 16 million dollars. He gets it. He's smart. They'll bring the go- I think going- I think when the injury first happened, maybe they thought, Jerome Ford's gonna be our guy now.


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[Assistant] But I don't think Jerome Ford's their guy. No, he's not. Now, I would, like I would do most years, I would draft the running back again this year at somewhere not necessarily high.


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[Assistant] But they also have a, there's another draft pick as part of the Texans deal that's also going on the Texans this year.


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[Assistant] But, uh, I think if you can work out the money, and I think they will,


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[Assistant] I would, again, without knowing the medicals personally, maybe there's something I don't know, or we don't know, I believe in Nick Chubb. I think he's, he's still young enough. I agree with you. That he will be, even if he gets maybe a little slow start, I think by October, he'll be a stud again next year.


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[Assistant] I'm comfortable with Jerome Ford being the two if Nick Chubb is playing.


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[Assistant] Look what happened when we lost the tackles. Our running game disappeared. Right, but here's what makes Nick Chum special.


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[Assistant] If you look at yards, average yards, after con, after first contact, he blows everybody. And that to me,


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[Assistant] Can make up for a bad offensive line more than any running back I've seen since at least Adrian Peterson in my mind.


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[Assistant] It's a, it's a big if, well two big ifs I guess, but if Nick Chubb is back on the Browns, that's a small if, but.


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[Assistant] If he stays healthy for all of next season, that's a much bigger if. It is. I say he finishes top five in rushing yards. Wow. I wouldn't doubt it.


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[Assistant] If he's healthy, I'll be stunned if he doesn't get 1,100 rushing yards.


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[Assistant] And Arthur Blank's a good owner. He is a good owner. But they don't have a quarterback. But Mike, I assume when you say problems, then you mean lead them to a championship.


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[Assistant] Okay, Jay, well we went first on the next, on the first two, so why don't you go first?


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[Assistant] People may think I'm crazy. I'm not sure at this point in his career I'd have Belichick higher on the list on this team. Now you may think I'm nuts and that's fine, but I think Belichick has lost his fastball. I guess we'll find out when he goes to his next team.


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[Assistant] But there's not a single coach in the NFL that I, even if you had Andy Reid, Sean McVay, whoever you want to say is the best coach in the NFL right now, I would never say 100%. I'm 100% certain.


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[Assistant] No, but uh, do I think he can lead him to Zubal? Yes. Is he definitely the right guy? I can't say definitely. I think he's the right guy, but no, I'm not 100% sure.


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[Assistant] Well, I was going to say, if Siriano goes, but he's been there longer than Siriano.


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[Assistant] No, he was tied for 9th as of like, before they, whoever the last guy was to get fired. After Belichick, he was tied for 9th.


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[Assistant] But the Browns haven't had a guy in the top ten in a while. Those tenured coaches.


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[Assistant] You know what, Jay, something that, uhm, all of us are guilty of to some degree, and certainly myself included, in the media and as fans.


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[Assistant] We are way too quick to decide what a guy is, whether it's a coach or a player. We're like, he's good, he's great, he sucks. And often we're too quick with these declarations.


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[Assistant] Now, there's even, there's even guys who have been longer. I said Josh Naylor can't hit lefties. Can't hit lefties, he sucks. He finally did this year. You're not alone on that. And that had been a while. That was more than three years that he couldn't hit lefties. You're right. When it comes to...


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[Assistant] If you have a co, like, if somebody says to me, is Kevin Stefanski a great coach? I would say no. I don't believe right now today Kevin Stefanski is a great coach. I think Kevin Stefanski is a very good coach. I agree with that, yea. I think Andy Reid's a great coach. He still hasn't coached a playoff win. Right. Andy Reid's a great coach. Sean McVeigh's a great coach, right? Yup. There's a few others. I think Dan Campbell and


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[Assistant] I'm not ready to say him yet. I still, it's too early. He's only won one playoff game. I think it's too early to say great because, but the guys like, like if I'm Detroit and Dan Campbell, if I'm the Browns with Kevin Stefanski and I'm like, okay, this guy's good coach.


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[Assistant] It's been a while. But not with Dallas. And so that's the thing, like, I think Kevin Stefanski could end up being one of the great coaches in the NFL, but he's not there yet. But if we fire these guys too quick, we don't find out. Now, if they suck after four years, okay, eventually you can't wait forever.


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[Assistant] Mike, before your next question, I have to give you two in-my-head updates. Are you ready for these? Quick. You know what I mean? Don't rush me here, Mike. Or you'll be part of this in-the-head update. Do you know what that means, in-my-head update?


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[Assistant] I am no longer mad at Jay. I was annoyed at Jay in the first 15 minutes of the show. Thank you. I was never mad at you either.


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[Assistant] But, there's two levels of being annoyed when you work in this business. For me, there's two levels. There's the I'm annoyed in the moment.


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[Assistant] In the, shut up, I'm trying to get to a point, and this is gonna be very funny, but this is actually a thought that I had in my head. I hadn't seen Tyvis in a while, right? And Tyvis came in, we talked, we said hello for a minute. When Tyvis was talking in the beginning of the show about the Browns, I was looking at Tyvis, I was thinking that it was good to see Tyvis, I hadn't seen him in a couple of weeks.


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[Assistant] Jason yeaah. Jason's got hidden anger. Now, I probably have the worst temper of everybody. So I almost killed somebody when I was like 20.


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[Assistant] If I wasn't worried about salary cap, if I wasn't worried about feelings of other players, it's a no-brainer. Joe Flacco is the best player


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[Assistant] That they can have as a backup quarterback. Unfortunately, it doesn't work in a vacuum.


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[Assistant] And listen, I, I could speculate based on what I'm watching on TV, but I'm not in the Brown's locker room.


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[Assistant] But I do know people who do spend time in the Brown Flock Room, and those people across the board that I've spoken to,


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[Assistant] Have said that the Joe Flacco to Sean Watson relationship is weird. Really? It's weird.


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[Assistant] Now, weird doesn't mean, they may just not, they may just be two different types of guys. To be fair.


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[Assistant] Right? I mean, that's just gonna happen and you can't have that. That's bad for the team.


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[Assistant] So ultimately, what I would do if I was the Browns is I would have three quarterbacks. I would have DTR.


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[Assistant] And I would, I would want to bring in like a, I guess a Jake Browning type of veteran.


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[Assistant] And I'd let them compete for the backup role and see what happens. But next season's all about the Sean Watson. If the Browns are gonna make, if this contract is gonna salvage, oh sorry, if this trade in contract are gonna salvage themselves from being disasters, cause as of right now they're disasters,


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[Assistant] And he's the only quarterback that didn't play this year was Jacobi Brissette.


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[Assistant] I think, listen, the Browns defense was terrible in the playoffs. We know. No excuse was terrible.


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[Assistant] Overall, I think the Browns have a good defense. I think we overrated their defense. I think I convinced myself


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[Assistant] That the road was an anomaly based on certain factors in those games.


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[Assistant] And I ignored the fact that the greatness at home, there were factors to that too that made it better than it should be. Like the schedule. Yes. And the quarterback.


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[Assistant] Now, I don't think the Browns are the team, I don't think they're as good as the team that played at home, and they're definitely not as bad as the team that played on the road. If I had to break the pie between the 50-50,


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[Assistant] And say what side of the 50-50 are they on? I think they're on the 50-50 of the home side. But...


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[Assistant] I, I think, this idea that the Browns are some all-time defense, some great defense, no. Great defenses?


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[Assistant] Play great every week or almost every week. I agree.


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[Assistant] And they played great in the playoffs. The Ravens played great in the playoffs. The Giants played great in the playoffs. The Buccaneers played great in the playoffs. The Bears played great in the playoffs. The Browns had one playoff game.


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[Assistant] And they weren't just okay, they were idiots. So no way you could call this defense great. I do think despite that loss, it's a good defense. I think it could be a good defense next year as well.


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[Assistant] Wait a second, hold on, we gotta interview for a second, because this is, the other day on the show, on Friday, Jay, you made the statement that Jason picking the, the Browns to go to the Super Bowl was the most shocking thing you've ever heard on the show. I think that has just passed this.


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[Assistant] And didn't the Browns give up four of their 13 touchdowns in the game, the only game they lost with Lamar?


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[Assistant] So they get, in the other eight home games, they give up nine touchdowns. Which is-


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[Assistant] That was a terrible move. They owe, they're paying Jedrick Wills who, we could debate where he is on the spectrum, to me at best he's average.


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[Assistant] Uh, he played better right before he got hurt, but he's still average at best. And there, his money's guaranteed. They all have guaranteed money for next year, except maybe Pochich doesn't. Postic doesn't.


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[Assistant] But they restructured with him, they restructured with Teller, and they gave a new contract to Conklin. I'm really concerned about the money and their ability to stay healthy. How old is Conklin?


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[Assistant] In the last three years, the Cleveland Browns, including the playoffs, have played 52 games. The Browns of the team have played 52 games. How many different starting rotate lines? How many of those 52 do you think Jack Conklin has played? And this includes the games he got hurt in.


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[Assistant] That's horrible. 22 out of 52 games the last three years. And he's not getting any younger. And three of those games he got hurt. So he only started and finished 19. 19 games. But he is good though.


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[Assistant] But I do agree with you, I think moving, uh, Dewan to left and starting Conklin at right.


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[Assistant] Here's the, here's some what, here are, let me give you the list of wide receivers that got drafted between the third round pick they got back in that deal


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[Assistant] Where they took Cedric Tillman and the second round pick they gave up. In other words, guys they could have drafted instead of trading for Elijah Moore. Let me give you the names, okay? Number one.


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[Assistant] Drafted 55th, Rashid Rice of the Chiefs, who really came on at the end of the year. Strong, I would take him. Number 3, Marvin Mim. So far he's done nothing. Right. Wanna vomit? Number 4, drafted by the Houston Texans.


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[Assistant] If he hadn't gotten hurt, he would have been a pro bowler, probably. That's the kind of season he was having. So the lesson in there is


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[Assistant] And listen, we said the same thing about their ability to get defensive linemen last year, and they got better. Right? They did. And that's what I'm saying, they addressed that problem last year.


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[Assistant] And part of the getting better was, guys that they had drafted that we thought were busts, played better roles, and they played better. Because they weren't asked to do as much. Right, Jordan Elliott, we thought Jordan Elliott was a bust. I gave up on him. But this year he was a rotational player, not a starter. And he thrived in that role.


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[Assistant] You're running 40. That's right. And that's why I think Elijah Moore as a third receiver, perfectly fine. He's good. Third receiver. Yeah, I do too. He's good. I got no problem with him.


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[Assistant] David Bell showed you a little something in the playoffs. If he's their fourth receiver, I can live with it. I moved on. Wow. I moved on. What is this noise?


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[Assistant] If you have Mari Cooper, David Njoku, and a legitimate number two receiver, then the fourth receiver, if he's David Bell, is fine. It's fine.


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[Assistant] Remember that none of these guys, you know, these guys all could, ah, I had it and I lost it.


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[Assistant] Here we go. Number one is what Mike said, T. Hagan. Now, some of these guys are going to be franchised. He will be franchised. Number two, Michael Pittman Jr. I would love to have Michael Pittman. Could be, but we don't know what these, the Bengals don't really have anybody else they're going to franchise, I don't think. I don't know about the Colts.


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[Assistant] Number three, this guy's, uh, you'd want Pittman and Higgins because they're good and young. This guy's good but not young. Mike Evans.


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[Assistant] Two other guys who were the next tier of free agent wide receivers who were definitely number twos. Okay. Marquis Brown, who's had some injuries.


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[Assistant] Now he's the anomaly, but we have, listen, the two best wide receivers in this past draft were him and Tank Del, both taking after 54.


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[Assistant] He's making a fool of himself on Twitter. Yeaah, I wish he'd get off Twitter.


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[Assistant] Yeah, especially when he said- That's okay! He said in the press conference he didn't think he played poorly. He did play poorly. And even if he didn't think he played poorly, he should've said, yes, we played poorly, I played poorly, it's gotta be better. I think. You're not gonna get better if you don't admit that. Right, exactly.


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[Assistant] Mary Kay, I'm gonna, let's do this rapid fire. And I know this is hard, but I'm going to, I'm gonna mention the guys who are free agents, who are expected to be free agents, and just your gut feeling right now, you know.


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[Assistant] You get it wrong, you get it wrong, who cares? Uh, gut feeling whether you think this guy will be back or is likely to be back or not, alright?


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[Assistant] Alright, the final two are the toughest ones. Kareem Hunt.


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[Assistant] And I'm gonna add one more who's not technically a free agent, but he, you know.


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[Assistant] This contract needs to deal with Nick Chubb. What's his future? Because we will all lose our minds if Nick Chubb is not here.


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[Assistant] I mean, he'd be a perfect fit anywhere. All three of those teams would definitely be interesting.


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[Assistant] Thanks Mary Kay. We appreciate it as always. We'll talk to you soon.


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[Assistant] By the way, last week I went into Walgreens and they already had a full row of Valentine's Day stuff. Yea, they move fast.


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[Assistant] Where are you? What's your level of confidence? Zero to 100? I would say... And how does it compare to where it was before 22 and before 23? I would say throw that in real quick.


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[Assistant] Right. Right, that's what I mean. That doesn't mean you never have a bad game, because even the best quarterbacks have bad games once in a while, but for the most part, the large majority of games in a season, you're gonna play at a very high to elite level. That's what the best quarterbacks do most of the time.


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[Assistant] When Deshaun Watson came back from his 11-game suspension, I was at 95% still. I'd lost a little just because of what happened over that time, but I was still. Was that before the six games? Before he actually played the six games. Okay. Okay.


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[Assistant] After he played the six games, I was down to...


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[Assistant] I was. I was. So I'm probably even lower. I'm going to say 65%.


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[Assistant] Then by the time we got to the beginning of the season, I was more optimistic, so I was back. Then I was 75% before this season. Okay. Right now, today, I'm at 50%.


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[Assistant] Wow. And that, and I'm not even, I'm not even sure I'm not being a little too optimistic on that number. Yeah. I'm at 50%. I think right now there's a 50-50 shot.


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[Assistant] No, I'm not 50-50. That's, I'm not, I'm being, as my man Nick Fink would say even though he's bananas on Twitter and ripped people inappropriately, I'm being intellectually dishonest. I'm at 42% because it's not 50-50.


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[Assistant] But I don't feel that confident that he could be consi-


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[Assistant] In that class with Josh Allen and Joe Burrow and Mahomes and where I think CJ, CJ's gotta do it a second year for me. He was there this year but he's gotta do it a second year before I put him in that class. If he, can he be in that class?


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[Assistant] You know, in those games, I would say it was lower tier 2 because it's, remember, it's small sample size.


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[Assistant] Part of the reason I had him a little higher and, and like the people that, that


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[Assistant] We're getting mad that we were, that people were complimenting Flacco. We're like, if, if Watson played like Flacco, you wouldn't give him as much credit. And you're right. I wouldn't. No. I would. By the way.


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[Assistant] Well, we're close. You never know. They can win six games next year. They can win 12 again. You never know. You never, you're never close unless you have a short


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[Assistant] There's a lot of fans, they do this all the time. We've been doing this for years. If something's good, don't mess with it. Don't try, and that was my point on Baker. I don't want to go down the Baker road again.


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[Assistant] And the Browns, just because they were good this year, they were good. They had a good, they had a hell of a regular season. A hell of a regular season. It's easy to say, well, if they weren't as injured, they would have been better. Every year's a different year. Things, there's a lot of things.


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[Assistant] Besides the injuries, there were a ton of things that went the Browns way. Calls and games, kicks, a lot of those things.


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[Assistant] But sometimes you gotta, it's better to cut bait with a guy too early, a little early, than too late. That's a fact. Now they're screwed. They can't move. Jack Conklin is contest.


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[Assistant] Okay, so he had two good games against the Titans and Cardinals, two of the worst teams in the league.


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[Assistant] So that's not fair. Let me ask you a question. Or Jay, you can answer this question too. When the Bengals went to the Super Bowl three years ago,


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[Assistant] Or two years ago. And when they went to the AFC Championship game last year, how good was their offensive line?


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[Assistant] Hey, stop it. Don't even start it. Cause that's not even true. You're saying if he had a Mari Cooper instead of Jamar Chase, he would have been as bad as Watson's been?


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[Assistant] He didn't really play. He only played for a few minutes. And you're going to say that there's, that there's, look, I do think there's a big


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[Assistant] If Nick, if Nick Chubb is back, if Nick Chubb is back, in the end I gotta let Kareem Hunt go, because I can only keep three backs.


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[Assistant] And I just can't afford to pay Kareem. He's gonna want more money. Nobody's gonna pay him any significant money. I don't know what he's gonna get.


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[Assistant] And all those, all that nonsense about him not being good at holding, that was proven untrue this year.


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[Assistant] Right now I might be standing where the 50 yard line could be at the new Brown Stadium. You can almost feel it, can't you?


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[Assistant] Of course right now it's just a big empty track of land here in Brook Park, but since the Haslam Sports Group just bought 176 acres here, it's a pretty safe bet they're not planning on using it to convert it into a big paintball course. But frankly that would rule. Nope, what this tells us is that like a young Cleveland couple who just had their first child,


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[Assistant] The Browns are considering moving to the suburbs. Nothing is for certain, of course. But the math isn't hard. Brown Stadium, as it currently exists, is not great. It's old, it's cold, and it needs a major upgrade or total rebuild.


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[Assistant] The stadium lease expires in 2028, so something's gonna happen soon. All that's being negotiated now is precisely what will happen, where it will happen, and how much what happens is going to cost everybody.


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[Assistant] If the city boxed, then the Haslums can say, well, we gave them a chance and then start constructing their own little football town in Brook Park, where unlike in Cleveland, they will own all the property surrounding the stadium. In other words, much more autonomy and potential profit.


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[Assistant] This is unapologetic Brook Park Brownsboro Mike Polk for Three News.


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[Assistant] It's crazy, not even 24 hours, it's like 15 hours.


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[Assistant] I mean, I think Pete Carroll is one of the greatest coaches, NFL, you know.


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[Assistant] Football coaches of all time, certainly Saban and Belichick.


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[Assistant] It's undisputed. By the way, you could, I guess, unless you, there's nobody else coming to me off the top of my head, you could argue that Pete Carroll is the best combo in history. Perhaps. I mean, Jimmy Johnson won a national championship.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but Barry switched your gravy train, Jimmy Johnson. No question. Yeah, I think you're right. You can put Jimmy Johnson ahead of Pete Carroll probably, but what about Butch Davis?


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[Assistant] Now that they're out of it, I'd watch. Well, you also, you know, Belichick and Saban could do a, you know, a manning cast type of, with both NFL and college. I mean, that would be great. It would be incredible.


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[Assistant] Bengals and Chiefs did it recently. Yeah, I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying it doesn't happen at all.


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[Assistant] In my opinion, there's no advantage from that angle. I think the Browns have an advantage because they're a better team. I think the Browns have an advantage with having a more experienced quarterback.


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[Assistant] But I don't think there's any advantage from winning that game because...


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[Assistant] You can't just say that both teams had injuries. They were missing CJ Stroud.


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[Assistant] Now you could say the Browns had injuries, but the Browns' injuries, those guys are not back. It's not like Nick Chubb's back for this game. So that's a big difference.


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[Assistant] I'm sure a lot of people in Cleveland think the Browns are going to win. I don't think there's as many people who think they're going to win as easily as they did the last time they played them. Because the quarterback they have going now is a lot better than the quarterback they had going in that game. Now, in terms of how the Browns offense played,


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[Assistant] You could take something out of that. In terms of the Browns defense and how they were challenged in this game.


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[Assistant] Versus how they would challenge me in that game, I can't take much out of that. But, so I don't think from that perspective, in my opinion, I don't think either team has an advantage.


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[Assistant] And Joe Flacco is going to throw the ball anyway. We've seen him throw in the double teams. We've seen him throw in the trippin' teams. He knows Amari Cooper. He knows, I don't know if he's had any picks throwing the ball to Amari Cooper. I don't remember it. Maybe he has. I feel like most of his picks have either been


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[Assistant] I think from the other side of the field, this is a very interesting thing here.


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[Assistant] Uhm, my guy, my guy cleave TA who has his own analytics website.


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[Assistant] Most quarterbacks have a big difference, clean pocket, muddy pocket, right? Yeaah, not this guy. His disparity, no, no, no. He's better. No. No, C.J. Stroud, not Flacco.


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[Assistant] Right, right, okay. But overall, he has not, he hasn't thrown any picks, fine. But he has not played well under pressure. And the disparity of his PFF grade in, uh, in clean pocket,


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[Assistant] And pressure, I think, is the biggest disparity of any quarterback. Looking at that, it looks like it probably is.


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[Assistant] Now, I mean, everybody's disparity is different. Well, but, right, but, but here's another thing. He's barely faced.


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[Assistant] They have faced very few teams that have good pass rushes.


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[Assistant] Very few. He's faced, he's played essentially three games against good pass rushing teams. The Ravens, the Steelers, and the Jets. He's only thrown two touchdowns in those three games. He was awful against the Jets.


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[Assistant] I don't know how they did it, but they did. And the, uh, uh, well the Jets defense didn't play well against the Browns, but for most of the year they played well. They've been very good. Uhm, and I guess the Steelers, he threw two touchdowns and no picks which is obviously good, but he was very inefficient. I think he only completed like 53% of his passes.


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[Assistant] And he was not good against Baltimore. He threw no touchdowns against them. That was the first game of the year. So I'll give him a little pass there. But the bottom line is he has not faced a lot of good pass rushes. The Browns have a great pass rush. The Browns without a doubt have the best pass rush secondary combo.


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[Assistant] And the Texans are trending towards their number two receiver being out. Noah Brown did not play last week. He hasn't practiced yet this week. Not that he's so great, but he's clearly, like he's there Elijah Mitchell. He's not great, but he's probably even a little better than Elijah Mitchell.


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[Assistant] He also, according to this thing I was reading by again, T.A., I want to give him credit for putting this out there. He, part of the problem why he struggled at times, even though again, no picks, that's pretty impressive for a rookie. But, uh, uh,


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[Assistant] The problem is, he holds on to the ball too long. And he's gotten sacked a lot. I think the Jets sacked him like 5-6 times. And he's, you know, not all sacks are created equal. Sometimes they're on the offensive line, sometimes it's the quarterbacks fault. And a lot of his sacks, especially against those good pass for his teams, were his fault.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, he's not a statue, but he, he moves, he uses his athleticism to, to, to stay, to move around the pocket. Not really to run down the field.


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[Assistant] He's a special quarterback. He's a special rookie. I'm not trying to diss him at all. I'm just saying, he's not perfect. There's flaws, as there are in most quarterbacks, and especially for a rookie. These things will get better at.


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[Assistant] Hopefully the Browns can take advantage of the things he's not as good at right now. That's the plan.


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[Assistant] In the last two months that was not a season ending injury, is back, except for Hopkins.


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[Assistant] Now, and maybe Tillman. Cooper's gonna be fine, he's just resting. Tillman's not, if Tillman doesn't play, it's not a big deal. Right. You know, whatever, but he...


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[Assistant] Hopkins is the only, you know, guy you'd hope you'd have for this game. And Cooper had said he could have played if he needed it last week. He's just resting it up. Whereas the Texans top five defensive linemen have all not practiced.


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[Assistant] At least some of them are probably gonna play, but none of them are anywhere close to 100%.


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[Assistant] I mean, that's, you have, well, you have three, yeaah, you have three other defensive linemen there. Oh, now you got...


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[Assistant] So Noah, Beck is their fullback. Uh, their two defensive ends are on there. You didn't have the defensive tackles on there, Mike.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't know who's going to play who's not. I'm assuming, at this point, I shouldn't assume. You know, Pierre Strong practiced yesterday, by the way. I assumed he'd be out this week. I did too. That was kind of a surprise to me. I didn't think he'd be out there. So maybe some of those guys will play, but their D-line is banged up and Noah Brown not playing is a deal because he's


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[Assistant] Joe's playing better now. I would say Stroud is the better quarterback.


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[Assistant] But Flacco's playing just as well, and I'd rather have him in this situation.


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[Assistant] Flacco has more turnovers in his five games than Stroud has all year. Which is insane. Now Stroud missed a couple of games, but still he's played multiple rounds. I think he's played 14.


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[Assistant] John, the Cavs are playing much better basketball. You know, we've been down on the Cavs, obviously, after the way last season ended. But lately they have found something here and they're playing great basketball. So, and obviously the Nets are playing well and there's also been rumors about


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[Assistant] A trade with Donovan Mitchell, who knows? So there's plenty of intrigue for this game this afternoon.


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[Assistant] It does. Yeah, you gotta go. Before you go, we know you're a massive Browns fan, of course. Saturday against the Texans, are you confident?


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[Assistant] He has built his way up with Fox doing college basketball. Wow, he's, he does a great job. He is like, I tech, you know, I'm a St. John's fan. I'm not a die. I don't follow it as closely as I used to. Right. But they're good this year and I watched the game last night. They played Providence.


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[Assistant] I kid, he's a young man. The guy grew up watching you, listening to the radio station. I mean, he's a diehard... Where is he from? What suburb of Cleveland? Do you know? I don't know. I don't remember.


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[Assistant] He said he would have played Sunday if needed, so. You just said it, Jay. It's a Mark Cooper. And it's with playoffs. If this was another receiver who was just a random dude, yeaah, I'd be worried.


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[Assistant] And so I trust Amari Cooper totally. They have nobody, they have nobody that can deal with him. Their secondary's not that good.


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[Assistant] And Amari Cooper is very good at every aspect of being a wide receiver, right? He may not be elite.


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[Assistant] But he's, he's. With the exception of speed, I don't, I think his speed is probably average. Yea, I mean it's fine. But everywhere else I think he is borderline. He's a great route runner. Hands. Great hands. His, his, I, I, his football IQ is through the roof. He gets off press coverage easily. You know, like, he's the, but you know what, he may not be the fastest guy.


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[Assistant] He's good at hitting like the angles and just getting a step here and there because of his smarts. And most, maybe most importantly, or also important, is the fact that right now, even though he didn't play in the Jets game,


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[Assistant] His chemistry with Joe Flacco is on point. It is. And, and we went through it. I don't, we're pretty sure he's never thrown a pick, Flacco. A targeting Cooper. So, if I'm Joe Flacco, I'm like, well this guy, no, the Joku is great, and all these other guys, this guy's my best player.


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[Assistant] I wanna get this guy the ball. So I'm expecting Amari Cooper to have double-digit targets.


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[Assistant] Before, before Joe Flacco was the Browns quarterback this year, the Browns ran the ball


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[Assistant] Since Joe Flacco has become the quarterback, they passed the ball.


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[Assistant] 65% of the time they throw on first down. That's number one in the NFL. They throw the ball most on first down than any other team. And how good has their offense been?


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[Assistant] I used to think like, oh, you gotta be a good running team to have an effective play action, but you don't. Right. You really don't, because the Browns outside of the jet game have had an ineffective running game with Flacco.


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[Assistant] And it's a good point because if you're reading the offensive lineman,


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[Assistant] First of all, I just, I just disagree with the premise of that question because it's not easy to just, you can't just put two, three guys on one guy. It doesn't work that way. Otherwise we, if it were that easy, we'd see it all the time against the best receivers and that doesn't happen.


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[Assistant] So I just, I disagree with the premise of the question. In theory, if the, the Texans can shut down Amari Cooper,


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[Assistant] Uh, that's a problem. I mean, I have no, I have a lot of faith in David and Joku, but I don't have a lot of faith in any of the other wide receivers being consistent.


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[Assistant] I don't think in the end, though, that Texas will be able to shut down Amari Cooper.


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[Assistant] Adi, let's talk. Adi, you're right. 100% right. Uhm, about everything you said about the Steelers.


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[Assistant] Let's talk about Joe Flacco. Obviously the guy has this incredible track record in the postseason.


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[Assistant] As good as C.J. Stroud is, and he's been just an absolutely remarkable rookie, and obviously if you're starting a team, you'd rather have C.J. Stroud than Joe Flacco, but we all agreed that at least for right now in this game,


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[Assistant] We'd rather have Joe Flacco than C.J. Stroud. Is that crazy? Or is it nonsense?


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[Assistant] Hey, indeed, this game prob, probably, I don't know, at least in my opinion, features the top two candidates for Coach of the Year.


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[Assistant] If you had your vote, would these guys be your top two? And if so, who would be the winner?


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[Assistant] That was in the, currently, that was in the NFL the last time the Browns played a playoff game in front of fans. That was 2002. So this is huge. Against the Texans. Who will win this game?


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[Assistant] Bernie, we were talking ab of a rookie quarterback,


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[Assistant] Uh, it's only happened maybe one or two times that they, you know, obviously with you and Marty Schottenheimer, he had just taken over in the middle of the season the year before your rookie season. And then obviously you went to the, the playoffs, your rookie year, you guys lost in the first round, but next year you came back, you won your first round game. What's that? Like when you're a rookie.


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[Assistant] But playing that first playoff game, is there another level of anxiety? I mean, you played at a huge university in Miami, he played at a huge university in Ohio State, but even with that experience, is there something about playing that first playoff game that's another level of anxiety or something like that?


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[Assistant] I agree, they're not gonna play conservative, they're not gonna, you know, this idea that, well, you know, we gotta


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[Assistant] That's right. Uh, Noah Brown practiced for the first time in a few weeks. Uh, both of their defense, they're starting defensive ends. Grenard and, uh, Will Anderson. Will Anderson are back.


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[Assistant] Uh, there are still some tickets available apparently on the resale market. So if you're thinking about going out to Houston, I'd get on that resale market quick because apparently they're going fast. What type of number do you think they'll do, Jay?


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[Assistant] Well, obviously it does, but like, but like, Cincinnati's not a good market. And in the last couple of years, the Bengals have done well in the playoffs. Look, playoff games always do well.


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[Assistant] And that's why in the last two years, the Bengal Chief games have been some of the highest rated.


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[Assistant] Playoff games because that's a good rival right now. I want to see what the Peacock numbers looking like. Unlike in baseball. That's not going to be a good story at all. By the way, if you're getting Peacock, two things to watch right now real quick. Dr. Death Two Seasons is fantastic. And today they just released


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[Assistant] The prequel, did anybody see the movies Ted? Yes. I did, yeaah. There's a prequel. I didn't know that. That's on Peacock, just got released today.


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[Assistant] Mike, we got injury updates. Let me interrupt you for a second. Shoot. Uh, officially out for the game. Cedric Tillman, Dustin Hopkins, and Grant Delpin. He will not be activated. He is officially out for the game. Pierre Strong, uh, Juan Thornhill, Denzel Ward, and Mike Ford are all questionable.


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[Assistant] That's what it said to Jack Jackson. Now he did practice today. So I'm assuming all those questionable guys are going to play since they all practiced. But all of the outs we expected to be out.


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[Assistant] Today is the, uh, the day, the last day to settle with players who are arbitration eligible. The Guardians and Shane Bieber have agreed to a contract for this year, his last year of arbitration. He will make 13.125 million dollars.


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[Assistant] And he forgot his key card to get back in so someone got out to let him in and he comes in looking like he's an extra in a mob movie.


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[Assistant] Private investigators, your partners, and they'll just let the hilarity ensue. Each week there's a new investigation.


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[Assistant] Exactly. I do think it should be a cigar and not a long cigar, a very stubby cigar, like with just a little bit left.


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[Assistant] I just think it really, it really worked. Now, the Bull had a great idea on the way in. He said, we missed the boat. The last time the Browns played a playoff game with the Packed House, because there were fans in Pittsburgh, but they were scattered. Very, very few.


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[Assistant] So you know the drill by now on Fridays, we split the shows, we do 90 minutes on UCSS.


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[Assistant] Uh, and then we flip over to channel three for a 30 minute extravaganza as McNuggets likes to say, it is never before seen bronze content. This is original. So, uh, that's coming up at 1230. It's, this is really bizarre guys because we usually have, um,


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[Assistant] Two days when we do this show. You know, it's Friday, we've got 48 hours to kick off.


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[Assistant] That's just incredible. I can't wait. It can't get here soon enough. It's been the longest it feels like because the Cincinnati game didn't mean anything.


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[Assistant] It's just been this forever stretch because our last game was the Thursday the week before. That's true. But we're approaching it fastly now and uh, I'm told there are a lot of Browns fans that are on their way to Houston. Channel 3 did a story yesterday where we hung out at the airport and we caught a lot of fans catching the direct from Cleveland to Houston. Very excited.


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[Assistant] 45, 45, 45 in Paris. This hot stretch continues yesterday. I wish you were here yesterday. We had John Fanta on before he had the call.


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[Assistant] And uhm, you know, we were talking about what this team does now. And you know, one of the things that he definitively ruled out, you probably will too, they are not in the market to move Mowgli. He said he's definitely not a gym.


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[Assistant] All signs now are pointing toward Denzel playing. We've been fooled in the past with him where we sat here on Friday and said, looks like he's going to go and then come Sunday he's not out there. But I talked to Jimmy yesterday at length.


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[Assistant] He believes that he's gonna go. The Browns are saying he's gonna play. That's great news. I think it was just, it was a tweak that he felt and Jimmy said shortly after it, he was, you know, off to the side with other corners, sort of goofing around and it wasn't like it was a major injury and they had to cart him in to, you know, to run other tests.


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[Assistant] If you, if, if, on the scale of how you feel, 10 is, I'm not even worried, this is a win. One is, they're gonna lose this game. Where are we right now, 29 hours to kick? Vinny?


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[Assistant] Well, everybody has a puncher's chance in the playoffs because they, like you said, they've all punched their ticket. They're all, they're all deserving teams that they wouldn't be here. Uh, for me, I can't go that high. I'm, I'm going to come in at the lowest here and I'm a six, six and a half.


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[Assistant] Now, here's the way I would start my thinking on this. If they were equally matched teams and they were playing on a neutral site,


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[Assistant] It would be a five obviously. I mean, you would think that neither team has an advantage and there's no home field advantage. So it's a five. The game is in Houston.


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[Assistant] So that ticks them up just a little bit and the fact that they've got a lot of their horses back.


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[Assistant] that they didn't have when they lost in Houston. And for me, because of that, I think talking to a lot of fans this week, I think the trap that the fans, I don't think the Browns are falling into this trap, but I think the fans are falling into this trap. We cross them.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's a trap. That is a trap because they were playing without their best offensive player and two of their best defensive players and they are all back.


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[Assistant] And because of that, I just think it's going to be a little bit closer than most of us think. So for that reason, I'm at a six. I feel comfortable that the Browns will win, but I can't go to a seven or an eight or an eight and a half because I think this is going to be a close, very close game that's decided by a drive late in the fourth quarter. Hope I'm wrong on that. That's the way I see it.


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[Assistant] Most of them are. And I just think that because CJ Stroud wasn't on the field the first time,


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[Assistant] That, that, you know, if you think about it, you know, a lot of people said, well, he wasn't playing defense and the Browns still put up a lot of points. No, he wasn't. But because their offense was so one and done on the drives and they were so ineffective, that gave the Browns offense more time to operate and more opportunities to score points.


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[Assistant] I can see, uh, I looked at the drive charts this year for the Texans because I wanted to see how are they scoring their touchdowns? Are they quick strike? Uh, they've had some quick strike touchdowns for sure, but they have done a very good job this year of getting the ball, keeping the ball, driving the length of the field and punctuating that drive with a touchdown.


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[Assistant] And you know, we haven't given up typically those long 80 yard, seven minute drives that end in touchdowns. A lot of our touchdowns have come on short fields after turnovers. So, I do think the Browns are going to win. I'm not losing sleep for sure over it.


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[Assistant] But, uh, it's not like you said. In the playoffs, anybody can win. Nothing is a sure thing. And it wouldn't shock me if we're sitting here next week.


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[Assistant] You know, you're saying let's score a touchdown. Well, every team wants to three and out score a touchdown, three and out score a touchdown.


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[Assistant] I attacked this a different way. I looked at it as like, how are you going to attack them on offense and what is your plan going to be on defense? That's a great hope. I hope all that happens because obviously you get a team down on the road, you take the crowd out. So yeah, I think it's a given. You want to get up early.


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[Assistant] Here's, I just took it a little more specific. Maybe I went overboard.


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[Assistant] On offense, I'm gonna do similarly to what they did the first time. I'm gonna try to isolate as much as I can Amari Cooper and get in the football. 265 yards, first time around. Uh, the same, same defensive backs are gonna be in this game that were in the game the last time. Uhm, so because of that,


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[Assistant] You've got, it's not like you hit a home run and a double off this pitcher. You went four for four with four home runs off this pitcher. Don't change a thing. Just keep your approach the same. Amari Cooper has got to be offensive weapon number one. I'm also looking, and you said this yesterday and I thought it was brilliant.


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[Assistant] What if they decide that they're going to spend more time and attention on Amari Cooper, which why wouldn't they? I'm assuming in their lab that's what they're drawing up.


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[Assistant] Those are the two pass catchers that have really developed a chemistry with Joe Flacco. So, I'm also looking for


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[Assistant] Uh, a lot of throws towards Njoku, maybe even the most targets he's received in the game this year. Cause I do think that the Texans are going to make it priority one to not let Amari Cooper dance all over them. Uh, it's funny. I don't really think they're going to try to run it much because with Flacco, they haven't needed to.


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[Assistant] Uhm, now I could be wrong. Maybe they are really trying to put together a package of run so they're two-dimensional, but they didn't need to be two-dimensional when they beat them the first time. So I would expect a lot of passing. Amari and Njoku are going to be the targeted guys on defense.


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[Assistant] I really thought about this and I'm kind of in a spot. I don't know if you want to send extra rushers or if you want to just play it straight, let the covers


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[Assistant] No, specifically, and he's not good against man coverage. We know that. But the, the...


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[Assistant] The line I'm trying to draw here, when I'm trying to figure out how to stop Stroud,


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[Assistant] Clearly, I mean, I know that Cleve T. A. Had some different numbers than what we're showing. But when we look at these numbers, I think he does just fine against pressure.


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[Assistant] Okay, now perhaps the reason for that is because the PFF grade in clean pockets is so damn high.


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[Assistant] It's unbelievably high. I would like to see where his PFF grade ranks.


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[Assistant] So if you're, Jim Schwartz, the last thing you want to do is let him stand back there and pick you apart with clean pockets because you can't win if you're opposing quarterbacks, PFF grades 92.4. You're likely going to lose that game. On the flip side,


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[Assistant] That has not been the case with this guy. His MO this year is a lot of touchdowns to very few turnovers. In fact, uhm, and I looked into it and it was slightly wrong the way Chris Rose presented it. I want to clean it up right now because when he said it, I said that has to be wrong. Chris was on earlier this week and said he's the third quarterback.


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[Assistant] And also lead the league in touchdown to interception ratio.


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[Assistant] It is correct, but he leads in passing yards, not total, he leads in passing yards per game among qualified quarterbacks. There are three quarterbacks who have had a better, uh, passing yards per game among them, and at the top of that list is Joe Flacco.


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[Assistant] So it's a real quandary guys how you attack CJ Stroud. He's been tremendous with a clean pocket and he's been in my view above average with pressure. So blitz at your own risk, but I do think I would


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[Assistant] I tend to lean more on the side of bringing pressure just because he's a young quarterback and this is a playoff.


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[Assistant] You know, my hope to that is because it's been such a trend, my hope to that is that Houston's defense didn't literally say no more biting on, on the play fake.


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[Assistant] Right, and there have been a lot of instances where the second game around, the team tried to go back to the well and it wasn't there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well said. Very well said. How do you look at this game, Tim?


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[Assistant] Tim, Houston has taped from the last game. They've looked at it and number two jumps out of the film all over the place. So they've been looking at this for the last week, trying to devise a game plan to stop him.


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[Assistant] During your career, and I don't want to use division opponents because you're so familiar with division opponents, but


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[Assistant] I don't know if there is an official number that the NFL doesn't do a strength of schedule.


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[Assistant] Team rankings does, that's the one that I've typically used.


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[Assistant] And by the way, that kind of makes sense if you think about it. Like obviously they have the Browns next year as the number one most difficult schedule in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Why? Well, they play in the best division. Number two is Cincinnati. Number three is Pittsburgh. So when you look at worst strength of schedule for the season, you would expect that those teams would be from the worst division.


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[Assistant] And I don't think the AFC South was the worst division.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the NFC south was worse. And by the way, Atlanta, New Orleans are 32 and 31.


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[Assistant] Yes. We did a story on it yesterday at 5 o'clock on channel 3. He had a sweatshirt that he had made. It's one of one. It said Flacco fans since 2023. I thought it was great. Really, really well done.


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[Assistant] I think the thing that jumps out to me is that I'm surprised how low that percentage is with Joe Flacco.


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[Assistant] Now maybe the sample size is small because I can think of a lot of drives where they never got to third down.


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[Assistant] So maybe they had fewer third down opportunities, but still their conversion rate is much lower than I would have expected.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so where is, where does he fit in on his under pressure QBI?


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[Assistant] You know what that is? That's the mark of a veteran. Against the mark of a rookie. You would expect those numbers to have a huge gap for rookies. You would expect a veteran who's seen all of this, numbers are very, very close. Joe might have the smallest disparity between his ceiling and floor.


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[Assistant] And if you take his games against the AFC South out of his career record, he's probably under 500.


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[Assistant] I mean 2020, the Browns made the playoffs, they played them the next year. I think the one thing, I agree with you 100% Bull, someone once said wisely to me, uh, when you show trends that go back more than four years,


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[Assistant] And so, you know, even the Brown's history against the Steelers, when they show that,


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[Assistant] Yeah, but it doesn't really matter when you go past two or three or four years, none of those guys are still around. None of the coaches


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[Assistant] Well, I'm sure one of the things that, and they do this every game, someone will chart his pregame kicks and report to Kevin Stefanski that beyond 45 yards, he was seven of nine.


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[Assistant] Uh, beyond 50, he was four or five. Beyond 55, he was two or five. Whatever they, you know, someone will chart that. Someone will hand it to Stefanski and Stefanski will call plays during the game based on that information.


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[Assistant] You know, should we punt here? Should we try along field goal? And because it's a dome, it's just great kicking conditions. That's great. Jason, we were having a conversation earlier this week where I wasn't aware that his numbers were as good as they were with Detroit. He missed two field goal tries.


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[Assistant] Uh, Bull was kind of theorizing that, and, and there's some data to back it up, that he was cut simply because he just didn't have a long leg.


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[Assistant] It is a low number. He was three for four. And perhaps...


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[Assistant] You know, look, if, if you know that information that he just doesn't have the big leg, then they were punting or going for it in those situations. I do know Detroit's aggressive and they go for it a lot. That was my first thought. And Dan Campbell probably more often than not just said, let's go, let's go.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they did it. Bull said they did an internal competition and they were doing it for a number of weeks and week after week after week, it was turning up.


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[Assistant] Not in his favor, so they let him go. The last thing you want to be, if you're Detroit, if our guy hits a big kick in a playoff game and they lose a game in the playoff because their kicker missed, holy cow, that's a Cleveland type ending to a season.


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[Assistant] Okay. Jimmy said the same thing. Jimmy said that obviously the chances improved just because of the time, but he said the same thing. He thought that if it does go another week that he'll be out.


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[Assistant] And they said it has the potential to be the coldest NFL game ever. Wow. Now that's a statement. That is a statement. You know, they said, you know, if you look at some of the data and the windchill and everything else, it could be, it could end up being the coldest NFL game ever. Well, I heard negative 40 windchill factors for areas


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[Assistant] Jay Wells, so this is a true story this morning on our call.


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[Assistant] Mcnugget said, I don't know Jonathan Wells, but I got to tell you, I could feel his energy and electricity coming through my text. I said, yeah, you're about to get introduced to it. He's high energy and he brings it.


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[Assistant] That's why we have them. Here's my favorite memory of Jonathan. And Jonathan, you may remember this. He came over to my house to watch an Ohio State Michigan game. And when the game was over, he said, hey, you want to go on Facebook live with me? And I said, what the hell's that?


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[Assistant] The comments were going, I couldn't even read them. They were going so fast we couldn't see them. And Jonathan and I sat there and we talked about the Ohio State Michigan game for about a half an hour on your Facebook Live account.


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[Assistant] When I asked you to come on, Texans exclamation point, exclamation point. Tell us why you think they're gonna win.


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[Assistant] Jonathan, we talked earlier this week about what


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[Assistant] What part of the storylines for this game would Deshaun Watson fit into? Obviously he's not playing, we know that, but these franchises are forever connected because of the trade.


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[Assistant] The average Texans fan view is of Deshaun Watson now and how they judge the trade that brought them three first round draft picks and let's be honest, put them in this football game.


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[Assistant] Great stuff. Good to see you, Jonathan. Jonathan's right on a lot of things, long term picking out.


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[Assistant] Great to see you my friend. It's great to see you guys.


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[Assistant] Oh listen. He's always been a lot of fun. I'll never forget. I was, uh, I was on the treadmill one day and I got this text from a number I did not know. Yeah. And I'm looking at it and, uh, it's, it said, uh, hey, I was talking, I think it was Bobby Carpenter. Was that, was that who set us up originally?


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[Assistant] Jonathan, I can't remember who it was. It was a former Buckeye who was in the media. I can't remember who it was. And he said, you don't know me, but I'm Jonathan Wells and I want to get in the business. And we, we forged a friendship and we knocked some walls down together and you, you are absolutely killing it. Keep doing you, man.


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[Assistant] In the history of this show, that has surprised me more. Than me picking the browns again. Yes! That was a shocker.


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[Assistant] Dead inside Jason Lloyd getting swept up in this Hollywood story. I do feel like we are in chapter three or four of a Hollywood tale with an unbelievable ending.


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[Assistant] However, we've been caught up in tidal wave like that before, that felt like it was going to that conclusion despite all odds, and the wave crashed. And I'm afraid that's where we are now. I'm not, I'm certainly not saying this ends this week.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it could. Uhm, I do think the ask to go into Baltimore in a playoff atmosphere and ask them to win is too much.


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[Assistant] I've got San Francisco and I did not have to think about it in the NFC. Uhm, and I've got


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[Assistant] The bills coming out of the AFC and unlike Bull, I have the Niners over the bills in the Super Bowl because of a couple of bad decisions by Josh Allen.


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[Assistant] We were worried about you. Man, these boys, I always enjoy it, I don't enjoy it, but I always like when people get four wheel drive.


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[Assistant] You're in the ditch right now, buddy. We'll see what gets you out of that, boy. Cause that, we have about 3, 4, 5 trucks. I'm like, look, I'm gonna go 25.


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[Assistant] Or is, is it, just is what it is. He just has it. He shouldn't have it, but he got it. Uhm, I like to go ahead and go on record and be like, well look.


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[Assistant] If you give them, you know, the most say in the quarterback, quarterback coach or the offensive coordinator search, one thing that you can do is you can say, it's all on you dog. We've given you.


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[Assistant] We've given you everything. Oh, I'm already saying that it's all on him. Anyhow, you know, especially if you, if you, if the play calling, is it necessarily going to be with Safanski and they trying to do things to make him feel better about it? You're confident in his game, then it's all on him. And so you have to say, Hey, look, if you want that type,


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[Assistant] Uh, you want that type of power? You gotta, it comes with a lot of scrutiny and it's going to come with a lot of darts if you not on point.


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[Assistant] They, I can't help but think that they saw CJ Stroud.


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[Assistant] And when you see something up close, you know, your friends did a new car, and you say, I put the car off for two, three years. Yeah. Did your buddy roll up with something new? And you'd be like, dang man, Jason Lloyd out here winning.


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[Assistant] Baby, get it going. Get it going. Give me a key. Give me a car or something. I gotta get something. I got this Mitsubishi. This not gonna work. I think Jimmy Haslem saw CJ Strada was like, yeah, we need that. We were supposed to be getting that.


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[Assistant] You know what's crazy? The crazy part about it is...


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[Assistant] The way it works is, if Deshaun Watson comes out, and he is, lighten it up.


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[Assistant] But remember, we turned the page, remember? I said this, this was four years running. I said first, it was O'Dell's fault. Get out of here.