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[Assistant] I don't know that. To me he looks like a field player. Part of me is like I just need somebody from out of the organization right now. What about this though?


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[Assistant] But, uh, the other guy a little off the board, Mark DeRosa. Now Mark DeRosa managed the, the, the U S team USA. He's


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[Assistant] Well, also played for the Guardians, the Indians of course. And, uh, well-liked here. Well-respected, well-liked, uh, real, real, I'm sure he'd be a great player's manager. So I think he's a little off the board. I don't know that he even wants to manage full-time.


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[Assistant] It was close. Oh my goodness. It was horrible. By the way, speaking of home runs, I texted you guys this stat yesterday. Oh, I loved it. That Kyle Schwaber of the Phillies, the first player in the history of baseball to bat under 200 but drive in 100 runs.


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[Assistant] Sean, my favorite when I was a kid, and I'm older than you, was Mark Gastineau with the Jets back in the day, like the New York Sac exchange. And I hated the Jets when I was a kid, I grew up in New York, not a Jets fan, I hated them, but I loved the Mark Gastineau Sac dance. Did you like that one?


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[Assistant] He was. He's the best Browns linebacker in probably 30 years. I mean, we recognized him here, but as you said, the Browns had so little talent around them that it didn't stand out nationally.


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[Assistant] Coming back to returning? They are the best. What are you talking about? That alone doesn't prove they're the best. Okay.


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[Assistant] Hey Sean, I want to get to something else. I'm curious your take on Deshaun Watson, right? He misses almost two full years. He comes back to final six games last year. He plays terribly. First two games this year, he struggled and then he played a great game against Tennessee and then he's hurt.


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[Assistant] Uh, this guy in Houston looked like he was on his way to being one of the elite quarterbacks, maybe even a Hall of Fame quarterback.


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[Assistant] Outside of this one game against Tennessee, we haven't seen it here. Are you expecting to see that guy again? You think he's been mentally screwed up by everything that's happened? Like what do you make of him and his game going forward?


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[Assistant] First of all, two things. Number one, there's too much texting going on. Too much texting going on right now.


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[Assistant] One other thing, Mike, I wanted to say when we were having this conversation before. My beef with college football.


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[Assistant] It happens. I like it. I hear you, but. It happens. Not often. I do want to ask you guys a question though.


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[Assistant] The Browns have been an absolute dumpster fire for three decades. I can't blame fans for booing.


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[Assistant] By the way, the only thing worst in boo- the worst is when a player complains about booing.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. That's the right answer. You know, and listen, the Browns shouldn't have been booed in the Tennessee game. I think that was pretty stupid.


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[Assistant] It's the truth! The truth. The Ravens had eight guys who didn't play.


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[Assistant] But we don't pay attention to the Dewan Jones of the world on other teams that get injured.


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[Assistant] I don't care what anybody says. Last week the whole conversation in New York was that Robbins Talas lost the team. Now you're talking about him losing the team. They were saying that? Yes! Because the players were supposedly pissed that he was still playing Zach Wilson. They played hard.


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[Assistant] I was just saying the other day that I am passionate about four baseball teams. Two that I root for, the Cubs and the Guardians, and two that I despise, the Mets and the Yankees. And it's only, this is only the second time since 93 that none of those four teams are in the playoffs, so I have nobody to root for or against. Who are you rooting for, Jay? Rays.


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[Assistant] You watch, like Miles Garrett for example, versus T.J. Watt. Uh, the traditional old school statistics. T.J. Watt is better than Miles Garrett across the board.


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[Assistant] On PFF, Miles Garrett is consistently, not that T.J. Watt gets bad grades, but Miles Garrett is consistently rated higher. And, but yet a lot of people can't get over the fact that the old school statistics say T.J. Watt's better. So, explain that to the fans, please.


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[Assistant] Sam Baker may feel we always still pay attention to him


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[Assistant] Uh, last year he was awful, this year so far he's been very good.


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[Assistant] So he's, you know, 13th is good, it's not amazing, but how would you analyze his play so far this year? For those who haven't watched play in and play out.


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[Assistant] Sam, our producer, Mike, was, uh, asking before the show, we were talking about potential show topics with the Browns on a buy over the next couple of weeks. One of the questions he asked was,


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[Assistant] Is Grant Delpit the best safety in football this year? At a first reaction, you think, well, that's kind of crazy because he hasn't been anywhere close to that. However, according to you guys, he has been so far.


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[Assistant] The fourth best safety in the NFL behind only Jesse Bates of the Falcons, Javon Holland of the Dolphins, and Andre Sisco of the Jaguars.


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[Assistant] Say, I'm curious, when it comes to, you talked before about, uh, like not all sacks being equal. Well, not all interceptions are equal either for both the quarterback and the guy making the interception.


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[Assistant] You know, if a ball is tipped up in the air off a wide receiver and it gets intercepted, well that's not generally the quarterback's fault. In the same vein, if I'm a cornerback and the quarterback throws the ball right to me,


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[Assistant] That's not, you know, as opposed to, I think a couple of weeks ago in the Rams-Bangles game, there was a Rams player that made an incredible interception against Joe Burrow where he made a diving play to get, like, are those graded equally, differently too?


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[Assistant] Sam, last thing, how much are Deshaun Watson and DTR, I guess, combined, based on his game last week, to blame for the sacks that the Browns have given up in comparison to other teams? Are they, you know, what end of the scale are they at?


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[Assistant] I don't think we'll see a team, we haven't seen a team be a run first team win a championship in awhile.


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[Assistant] The Eagles is misleading to some degree because they have Jalen Hurts.


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[Assistant] Why not? You know, uh, as you can see, I'm not drinking Kool-Aid. I got a little water today, uh, a little water. Don't mean the Kool-Aid gonna stop, you know, you come back and get you a couple more beers. Just not pause. We never on pause at BushLineBeauty.com backslashbarbershop. If you wanna go ahead, we never pause. They're 24 hours a day. See what I do? That boy cold.


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[Assistant] No, but, uh, but you know what? It's crazy. Uhm, today this conversation is going to be about DTR versus Kevin Stefanski. I think if you guys sit and hang out with us and watch a little bit,


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[Assistant] Don't get too frustrated, but we are going to bring up some things


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[Assistant] For you guys to think about. Uhm, it's a quarter of the season over.


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[Assistant] And I know we got a 17th game, but there's some things that are looking like a bit of a pattern. The Browns are 500. They can come out and be great. After the bye week, they can come out and slide a little bit. I think there's some things that they may be mulling over in the office for the next two weeks, especially when it comes to the offense.


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[Assistant] I love your intro. Uhm, I was on the post-game show with Mikey, and I said uhm,


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[Assistant] Have we seen this offensive line get old right in front of our face?


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[Assistant] Uhm, because we already knew what J- Sorry, I'm not gonna say his name. It's- Bless his soul out there. Uh, huh. Earl was like, we don't wanna look like we're being bullies. Uh, I'm not- You know what it is at Left Tackle. Yep. But Wyatt Teller has played horrible. It's pass blocking.


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[Assistant] Ethan Poachers has not played like he did last year. He's now hurt.


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[Assistant] Is not playing very well at either and the best, the best guy statistically wise and from giving up pressure is Dewine Jones and he's a rookie. And that is not something that, that we can really deal with at this point because you said another thing. I'm like, dang J out here cooking this morning.


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[Assistant] Where's your difference makers? Where's the guys that people pay attention to? Mark Cooper, shout out to him, he's one of the best we got. But Elijah Moore, wow.


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[Assistant] Wow. I mean, he- A minus 20 rush? I mean, this guy is not fast.


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[Assistant] He's not that big. It's not like he's, he's a, he's a, uh, go up and contest the catch guy. I'm looking at the situation like, okay, well what is he, for scrap, scrap all the reverses and stuff. Get that out of here. The reason the Jets gave up on him.


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[Assistant] You played well on the offensive line. Okay. However, you gotta take in consideration, when someone doesn't pull their weight, somebody else has to take the slack. When the offensive line for the Bengals, when the offensive line for the Bengals wasn't playing, they had elite playmakers at receiver that would go get fit footballs. The Browns don't have that right now. They have one elite playmaker.


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[Assistant] He's gonna get hurt in that game. Hey, hey, listen, forget P.J. Walker, P.J. Hill, whoever the P.J. it is, P.J. Brown, I don't, listen, sleeping in your P.J.'s, listen, that's outta here.


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[Assistant] If there is any inkling, I'll give y'all this little thing right here because it seemed like there was a communication misnomer between Stefanski and Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] Because Deshaun said he was gonna play, he told everybody he was gonna play, he was ready to play, he got out there, couldn't throw the ball more than 10 yards. Now let me ask you this, I don't, you know, we dealt with this arm thing before.


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[Assistant] And we see that sometimes those things continue to linger, continue to linger. It can derail a season. And guess what? Is he ready? Is he not? You come back, he takes a hit, put him back on the shelf. The Cleveland Browns seriously need to be the Dalton room and say, listen, we like the little story with DTR. Get me, get me a veteran.


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[Assistant] But here's what you're saying to the guys in the locker room. The guys already started to whisper. You know, there's multiple guys that reached out personally and said, why are we through DTR dropping back 36 times to pass the football? They were worried about why. Again, in the second half, what choice did you have?


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[Assistant] What choice did you have in the second? I mean, they came out, they came out, the first three plays, DTR scrambles against the first down, first drive, you got a fresh new set of downs, Stefanski drops, Stefanski drops back and throws the ball four more times.


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[Assistant] No, what happened was they got sacked on first down. And they got to second and twenty. Then they had to run two more times. And that's not the minutiae. The minutiae, what I'm saying is...


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[Assistant] You got a veteran locker room, and those guys in there, especially under Jim Schwartz, is thinking a lot different. Best believe they don't like the feeling of saying, we putting our season on the hook.


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[Assistant] Let's just, let's move off of the fan era and just get to a business standpoint. As a business owner, I cannot put my, I cannot put the entirety of my season on a rookie. You just, at the most important position.


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[Assistant] You telling me that you are, you are, you are these top notch players on defense, Miles Garrett, all these rest of these guys. You telling me if they go out there and they got a rookie quarterback and they lose two out of the next three games or something.


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[Assistant] Okay, I just don't see that. Here's the thing, even if, even if you got these guys that know how to read coverage, instead of running into certain things, that's what you can do. So who do you want them to sign? What would you do? Hey, I would sign, give me Nick Foles, I'll take him. And at the end of the day, you don't have to start him over GTR immediately, but you have a contingency plan.


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[Assistant] I would give him my, hold on, watch this. If I brought in a veteran and I would evaluate it, I'd go watch this tape. DTR is lost in the sauce. That, that performance.


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[Assistant] And I think that's a mistake on the Browns. We've been here before. When a player tells you they can play, you trust your eyes and say, listen, let me get a contingency plan written. If DT... Y'all don't do that. Look at the Bengals. Look what they're doing. Baroque.


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[Assistant] And I know people get mad and all, you keep talking about, listen, we're trying to give you a scenario in which an organization still has to make a choice. We saw the way, we came off 2020.


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[Assistant] We come into 21, we got high expectations, third game of the season, Baker get hers, right? Now we gotta make a decision. Do you play them or do you not play them?


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[Assistant] Overall, most people, either you're a Baker Bro or you weren't a Baker Bro, we all agreed that they should have sat him down, right? 1000%.


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[Assistant] And, and, and they also took heat for having the most expensive backup in the game, but would not utilize him.


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[Assistant] Because they just threw him out there. Now here's the point. I think that had a lot to do with them saying, you know what, no, we're not going to do that. We're going to give them two weeks. I think also the Joe Burrow thing went into it. They looked at Joe Burrow and said, I'm not sure that they should be playing him on that injury because it's going to linger. Now here's the thing, like you said,


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[Assistant] So you got Deshaun Watson, and think about it, the way the offensive line has been planned, you cannot overstate it.


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[Assistant] Deshaun Watson got beat up against Pittsburgh. Deshaun Watson got beat up a little bit against Tennessee. And you saw what happened in DTR when they put him in the game. He's gonna take Hicks. So you have to have a contingency plan that says,


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[Assistant] If we need to play, if we need to put somebody in, we can run the football, run play action, and he won't throw picks. Give me a veteran.


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[Assistant] They give you motion. They give you, they give you split action. They run out of their shotgun. I had to look at it. They also have weapons. They got weapons. I mean, you give any offense, Debo and McCaffrey.


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[Assistant] I watched all, the whole All 22. I watched all the All 22 this year, and I reached out, I reached out to Jake Burns. He, uh, he's on the Orange and Brown Report, you know.


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[Assistant] I, I think he's, he breaks down the film well, and he's broken down to all 22. And I, I said, listen, let me just reach out to you, actually. Of this game already? Uh, not this game, but overall. I said, I watched all other games, including, up to this one, I don't think this is out yet. And I said, is it just me, or does it seem like


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[Assistant] This is the same offense that I've been watching on all 22 for the last two years. Yeah, this nonsense about wait till you see the offense.


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[Assistant] He said, besides the trick plays, this offense is very, very similar to what they've done. Besides the trick stuff, it's the same offense.


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[Assistant] But the reason why everything looks the way it does, and when people try to say Nick Chubb is regular, he's not.


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[Assistant] What we saying right now is, when you have a Nick Chubb, you have to respect the run game. Passing game, when the passing windows is different. The Browns are not one dimensional. If you got Nick Chubb, Nick Chubb, you may think the O-line was ballin', but guess what? Nick Chubb says, oh, there's a guy in the hole, I'ma cut it back. Once he cuts it back, he has vision that other people don't got.


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[Assistant] Then he makes the first guy miss. So now he's in the secondary. Then when he hit him, he's falling forward because he always moves the pile. So you got Nick Chubb doing all three of these things for these things to make your offense look a lot better.


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[Assistant] And yet and still, when you take that away, you're starting to see, well, who am I scared of? Who scares, who scares you? You're one dimensional.


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[Assistant] What they've been great at is pounding teams and run and play action. So when you want to run this five wide stuff and you got a quarterback that has never played the game before, that hasn't been in the game, to run five wide is malpractice with a rookie quarterback because it takes too much high degree of, of, of,


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[Assistant] There, there are certain, and this is what I said before we start the show.


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[Assistant] We gotta adjust some stuff. They found out some stuff on the run game. Remember, I'll even go to this. Just so you know, we watching and we talk about the X's and O's. One thing that Jim Schwartz


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[Assistant] Saw, and one thing I give Baltimore credit for was, we talked about non-contained on the back side, didn't we tell you that? What we said was, at some point, someone's gonna figure that out. And I said, and you watched the touchdown play with Lamar Jackson.


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[Assistant] You see what they did? Everybody, every flow. And then what they did is they took and ran the counter play with the quarterback right and it opened up like the Red Sea. And I thought, I was like, oh, they've been doing some film work on this. But Bull, or Gene, that's always been.


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[Assistant] And I think one thing that we saw when it was 14 and 3, and this is when you go back, goes back to talking about Harbaugh. He won that game and it was easy to him.


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[Assistant] He didn't, it wasn't like, it was a walk in the park because he played complimentary football. He understood.


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[Assistant] The Ravens and the Steelers do this, and I'll give them credit for it. They don't go in basing the game off of what they did last week or what you did last week. They go in basing it.


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[Assistant] Based on what's happening today. They knew they had a rookie quarterback, and they said, listen guys, all we need to do, we gonna get Lamar Jackson loose on a few runs. And you see, 15 and 19, it wasn't, and he threw the ball for 300 yards.


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[Assistant] And this just goes to show you, you look at the Dolphins, and you look at the Bills.


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[Assistant] Every week is different. So like, I'm not sitting here and saying the Browns can't come back and Deshaun Watson looks great and put up great numbers to get to 49ers. They're a good team. Look what happened to the Bills. Well look at the Cowboys, two weeks


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[Assistant] Because when you look at everything, everybody has to pull their weight. And to me, Stefanski is a below average play caller.


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[Assistant] Notice I didn't say head coach. Yeaah. I don't mind keeping Safaski because I actually like his demeanor. I just don't like his playbook.


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[Assistant] I don't like what he does offensively. I don't like the scheme. I don't like that. I, I, if defense... If Sean Watson likes him.


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[Assistant] Every time they run a trick play that doesn't work, you get mad. Yes. I'm not complaining about the trick plays. No, no, no. Listen, my beef with the offense is timing and rhythm of the offense and when you call certain things. His first scripted plays are okay.


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[Assistant] But when you're talking about a coordinator, you actually have an a la carte menu of plays to run. Say it's third and two. You got your third and two plays. You got your second and medium plays. Right here, here, here. You got your third and long plays.


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[Assistant] It's not the fact that his scripted plays are bad. It's when he goes to pick and punch and dial up other plays for certain circumstances. That are routine first intents. You don't, he's, he's not on, on task. The plays don't have any, any semblance to him. And I ask people all the time.


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[Assistant] If you watch the Baltimore Ravens and the way they play, that is a Baltimore Ravens game, 15 and 19.


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[Assistant] Uh, uh, 21 or 24. Those are games Lamar Jackson, they're asking them to go deep. They gonna run what they run. But when you watch- But they do ask them to go deep plenty.


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[Assistant] If I asked you, while Kevin Safangsi has been here, what is the Browns identity on offense? What would you say? Confused.


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[Assistant] So if we, if we're not running the football, if your identity is running the football, that means you would be running the football no matter who's back there. No matter what.


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[Assistant] Sure. Here's the thing, they, like, I like the, I like Jim Shore's attitude. You know, when, when people was praising him and asking him about all time great stuff, he said man. It was ridiculous. We got, he said we, I, I had to make some adjustments after the we won against Tennessee.


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[Assistant] And I thought the tackling went back down. I thought the tackling, tackling a lot of missed tackles. J. O. K. missed a lot of open field tackles. Uhm, you know, obviously it's Lamar Jackson. He's going to move around and he's going to make some plays, but I thought the right Emerson missed a couple Emerson missed a couple tackles.


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[Assistant] And I thought they found something on misdirection plays and plays running opposite of where the rush is coming from.


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[Assistant] And so, you know, I thought Baltimore ran the ball really well and that was the thing that we could not stop. Uhm, and Baltimore does a good job of saying, look. They still only average four yards per catch.


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[Assistant] I talk myself into it based on how every coach goes about. We look at Bailey Zappi. Bailey Zappi came in here last year with the New England Patriots a couple years ago. Notice last year. Yep. And they put 38 on us. You know why?


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[Assistant] Because after you went and evaluated and you looked at film,


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[Assistant] Bill Belichick saw two or three plays in which he found out the way the Browns were covering certain things up front and in the secondary. They were giving you points. And he said, you know what we gonna do?


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[Assistant] We're gonna come in and we're gonna do exactly that. And that's the way you have to do with rookies. You have to pare it down. And I know the percentage chance of you winning ain't very high. Most teams with rookies making their first start lose the game. So you gotta make it nasty. I'm gonna rock Purdy for all this. It has to be his fault. And there's no draws, there's no speed.


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[Assistant] Well, I thought they took some shine off it too, because I didn't understand why Bill Belichick said, I'm going to hire a defensive coordinator, Matt Patricia, and make him the off guard.


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[Assistant] So if they play the way that, yeaah. Cause yesterday was a B for the defense. It wasn't an A. I give them a B minus yesterday. That's fair. Uhm, here's the way I break it down. I break it down offense, defense, and coaching.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, I mean, excuse me. So for me, the Brown special teams is a C- right now. Cause they get nothing off of punt returns. But doesn't the kicker bring that overall grade up?


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[Assistant] Thank you, Jay. Let me bring that back. You're absolutely correct. I give them now a, uh, I give them a B. I give them a solid B.


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[Assistant] He's been phenomenal. I give him a solid B. Hopkins done a great job. The defense has been an A plus. If they're playing yesterday at a B minus.


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[Assistant] And you gotta have the offense do something. Offense has to at least be A, A, A plus, A minus, or A minus or A. Yea, if they play like they did yesterday.


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[Assistant] There's five, there's five or so, and I look at, you know, you got Pittsburgh and now you lost to Pittsburgh.


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[Assistant] But what's the last time they won a big game? Here's our judge, right? Yeah. If Mike Tomlin had the Browns roster, what would they be doing? Yeah.


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[Assistant] I don't know. No, you know. Pittsburgh, now yesterday it was their defense too. He's not an offensive coach. No, but he keeps getting, he gets guys to play. Every time we play Pittsburgh they find a way.


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[Assistant] Change the way you think about the possibility of playoffs with the Browns.


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[Assistant] But you can't. Like, your body just doesn't. People try to get mad at Deshaun Watson, like, he should have told his team that he let him down. He was, you know, he could have told them on Wednesday. Listen.


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[Assistant] No, the team should have told him. Right. Like after, after you couldn't have thrown and we didn't see nothing, you're out. You should have had a contingency plan ready to go. Yeah. Uhm, I just don't want the thing to linger because I understand how it goes with hits. Like you can't avoid hits. Like you just can't do it, especially you got the ball in the


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[Assistant] No one does that. No. No coach, no other coach says, let's split up the run and the pass reps. So like, okay, so you, you just not, you just, you're only comfortable with the run plays and then I just watch it get some lame.


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[Assistant] When you go see, I just throw it back out, 17 surgeries. When you do something, move, and they be like, oh, you go and grab the trainer.


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[Assistant] Everybody, that big sheet he got right here, like this, this, this, this, this, that is all Stefanski, right? You can't give him no blame for that. Yeah, I don't blame him. Gee, just because a guy's calling plays, doesn't mean the


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[Assistant] He's, hey, go over there and we're going to run this play. This is how I would like it blocked. And this is the audible off that. I can't give him smoke. And then think about this, even if he is implementing plays, right?


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[Assistant] 90% of it, yes, we get it. We want you to run a play like this. But most of what the magic happens is where you call that play and at what point in time during the game. And if you don't have the... And he's a bystander. But that he is a bystander. You're just sitting there like, huh?


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[Assistant] I reached out to a college officer coordinator.


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[Assistant] And he coaches down, it wasn't one of my, uh, Paul Johnson, he used to be a uh, he used to be a coordinator, now he's a head coach down in uh, in uh, West Virginia. He says, he watches the games like he's a Browns fan, and he said, if you watch the Browns, they have no shotgun run plays.


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[Assistant] Other teams like, you know, the Ravens will have pistol formations or they'll have formations where they hand the ball and they get successful yards out of shotgun. When the Cleveland Browns are in shotgun.


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[Assistant] They are, it's a telltale sign that it's going to be a pass. They don't have any dynamic plays in terms of running out of shot. It's kind of like Ohio State never running under center in the old days. And that is such a, that's such a huge thing. And I thought about it and when I looked, I said, man, this offense, I'm looking for the,


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[Assistant] The newness, we heard about, oh, just wait till you see this offense. This offense is gonna knock your socks off. All I've seen is Elijah Moore in the backfield running some reverses. I haven't seen anything dynamic like that.


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[Assistant] He just kept, like, here's the pro- here's the thing, when you say that, what scares me about that, is they say there's no structural damage, right? Uhm, but when you say it wasn't about the pain tolerance,


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[Assistant] Then I start thinking about, is it the overall mechanics of the arm and why you can't throw the ball? Why you, uh, it's almost like a picture losing velocity.


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[Assistant] When a pitcher starts losing velocity, you start to look around and say, well, hold on, let me, is it your lat messed up? Is it your bicep or your tricep? And they usually just shut them down. For me, the scary part is, if Deshawn says, it don't really hurt unless you hit it. They were okay with letting them go. Yeah, it don't really hurt unless you hit it or whatever.


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[Assistant] I just don't have, I can't throw the ball back in yard.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I would have to go back and watch it. I saw him in a couple plays. Poachers came back in the game. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Shout out to, shout out to Roquan Smith, man, you did exactly what you said you was going to do. You hurt a bunch of people in our team. In front of their wives and kids. In front of their families, right? He's a special player, by the way. I mean, I mean, y'all put it, I looked at it, I was like, bro, just run the ball, game over.


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[Assistant] I thought they played, I thought they played really well, but you know, to me,


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[Assistant] First of all, it's the Watson situation. Make sure he's good. Second thing, I think Jason brings up a valid point.


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[Assistant] Uhm, if this team is built for running the football, I'd be very alarmed if you have not run the football very well. Generally speaking, even when, when, when Derek Henry went out.


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[Assistant] Titans still random football and they still put numbers up because that's what they do. Wisconsin always has running backs. They always got linemen. They gonna run the same thing for me.


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[Assistant] I think they do need to implement the run a little more. They do need to keep people honest. I think this isn't a team that we can drop back 40 times to throw and they need to make an adjustment to say okay.


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[Assistant] I'm saying that they're like trash and the world is over. What I'm saying for is if you're lining up and you want to throw it 40 times a game.


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[Assistant] Oh, come on. Here's my thing. And we don't want to get into how good people are based on us. Yeah. You got, he's a six round pick.


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[Assistant] You gotta, you gotta also look at it this way. Who's calling the plays as well? If you have an A plus.


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[Assistant] If you wanna, let me ask you this question, just from a schematic point. If you wanna slow down a rush, what are some things you can do? Load the box.


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[Assistant] If I'm an offensive coordinator and I want to slow their pass rush down, there's two things you can do. You can keep more people in and block them, which means there's less people in the route, or you can run the football and then play action so everybody's not in your face. So my thing is, if you don't have the running game, right, you lose your bat.


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[Assistant] The worst thing that you can do is be one dimensional and throw the ball every play because now...


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[Assistant] But, when you're talking about football 101, what you see is what happens when you get one dimensional.


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[Assistant] I thought he, we have not seen that man at all. What happened to that boy? I don't know.


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[Assistant] That's a big, to me that's huge. I mean, that's huge. You was at the crib, posted up, chilling out home with us. And they came out and put 40 some odd points on the road in Pittsburgh. Give them a chance. Give them a chance. That's crazy.


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[Assistant] His stubbornness though might cost him his job. He should have gave it up. I, I just don't, I just don't mind.


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[Assistant] This playbook to me is not, it's not my cup of tea. I like to see somebody.


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[Assistant] It's a big, long jam. It's a lot of work. By the way, I still got that Kool-Aid up, you know why? Cause we bout to get that Imani Bates interview.


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[Assistant] Thank you, Jay. And we have a full house today. I want to give a shout out to Director Steve's two brothers who are in the house today. One has been here before. The other is making his UCSS studio debut from California. There's Jim. Wow. Very nice. And Dave, and that is Dewan from IT upstairs, his brother, Darryl.


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[Assistant] I do have one update for everybody from yesterday though, and this is something we promised and if you took advantage of it, good for you, if you didn't, you missed out.


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[Assistant] The DoorDash offer that we offered yesterday. And we said that was too good to be true. 50%. Turns out it was too good to be true.


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[Assistant] They didn't blitz a ton, which is a number I have for you guys real quick, which is what I wanted to ask you about.


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[Assistant] Yeah. I'm gonna give you a comparison. I'm gonna give you the Vikings first and then the Browns numbers. Okay. So through three games this season, the Vikings, according to pro football reference, lead the NFL in percentage of pass plays in which they send an extra rusher. So glitzing.


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[Assistant] Cleveland ranks 10th in the NFL this season in terms of sending an extra rusher. On 32.3% of past attempts, they have sent a fifth extra rusher.


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[Assistant] They have gotten pressure on the quarterback at that exact same rate, 32.3%, which is tops in the NFL. So through three games.


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[Assistant] They blitz more than most, but not an extreme amount.


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[Assistant] I got the numbers for you, Thomas. So last season, the Browns ranked 17th in blitz rate. They blitzed 22.9%, so 10% less than they are this year, but their pressure rate is where it gets staggered. They ranked near the bottom of the league in pressure rate, fifth to last at only 18.2% compared to 32.3% this year.


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[Assistant] Let me defend Leroy real quick. Leroy, you made a Pro Bowl in 1994.


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[Assistant] Very impressive season. You also led or had your career high in fumbles that year. You were so good.


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[Assistant] As a runner that despite fumbling eight times that season, you still made a Pro Bowl. You had an average half a fumble per game and still were a Pro Bowl. That's why you're a favorite running back here.


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[Assistant] normal show 1101 and then a live two hour calves media day show from two to four myself brad earl will have jason rock the comeback of brad will be at rock mortgage field house two hours on the ucss youtube page so make sure you guys check out


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[Assistant] Two hours of Ravensbrown's coverage after the show, your normal Victory Monday hopefully, and then we will celebrate another dub.


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[Assistant] It's 128 yards in three games, which averages about 40 yards per game, so 40 times 17. It's 680. It's 680, give or take. Alright, so a little shit.


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[Assistant] Well, let me ask you this, Tyvis, you can start. How can the Browns get more for more?


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[Assistant] I got a crazy stat for you guys on Elijah Moore. This is from ESPN, or NFL's Next Gen Stats Newsletters came out this morning. Let me read this. Steve, you can take Tagboard Full. It's gonna be small on Tagboard, so listen to the words so you can see this as well.


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[Assistant] Elijah Moore took advantage of 8.0 average yards of cushion at the line of scrimmage, tied for seventh most, to average a league high, 5.9 average yards of separation on Sunday.


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[Assistant] That said, Moore was almost exclusively targeted at or behind the line of scrimmage, averaging 0.9 average targeted air yards, which tied for the lowest. In fact, Moore only had a 3.85% of share of the Browns air yards among lowest among all receivers. He did catch all nine of his targets only gained 43 yards. So I guess my question is, is everything in the Elijah Moore playbook?


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[Assistant] Right at the line of scrimmage, is there a reason they're not actually sending him on routes? Deeper down field?


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[Assistant] And the only reason we gave this credence because it came from a nobody was LeBron James tweeted about it this morning. So when LeBron James tweets it, even though it doesn't make the rumor any more true, it makes it a-


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[Assistant] Yes, but it does make it have some weight in the Cleveland online community. So to set up this discussion.


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[Assistant] A reporter named Mike Lombardo from fan buzz. Whatever that is. I have no idea.


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[Assistant] And they can't get out of his money after 2024 without a significant after 2024. They cut him in 2024 would be a dead cap hit of 40 million. No, after 20. Oh yeah. If you get them, you're stuck with them for two seasons.


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[Assistant] I gotta say something real quick. I take Jerry Judy still too. I gotta say something just to show you guys the value of DPJ on this set. In the last month alone, we have offered up someone on this panel or in this production.


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[Assistant] So what's, real quick and we'll end with this, what's more likely to happen? What, what team's more likely to accept a fourth and DPJ? The Raiders for Adams or the Rams and Donald? No.


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[Assistant] That's true. Okay, so where are we going? We're going to move real quickly. This could be a very quick discussion before we do that. If you are in the chat, if you're watching the show, we've gone over a thousand likes on back to back shows. I can't say thank you. Oh, shout out to the chat. Make it three in a row. People make it three in a row. I hear if we get five in a row.


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[Assistant] It guarantees a Browns victory on Sunday. So if you're in the chat, if you're watching, hit that like button, hit the subscribe button. It does wonders for us in the back end. We really, really appreciate you guys. Yes sir. The Browns signed two players to their practice squad, running back Deion Jackson and tight end Devin.


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[Assistant] Easy money. Alright, we're gonna move on and play True or False before we do that. On Fridays, 12 31, we are on channel 3. WKYC, we are on Real TV. We did, uh, some really awesome numbers last week. We appreciate you guys tuning in. We hope you guys tune in again. It is 30 minutes of brand new, never before seen, Brown's Raven's preview content. Nothing we touched during the YouTube.


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[Assistant] Part of the show gets put into the TV version and then we do post it back on the back end if you can't see it on TV, but we hope you join us on WKYC to watch. It's been a lot of fun. Coach Tyvis, we had last week, we're going to do something a little different this week, but a lot of new content makes you tune in. That is Friday, 12 32 1. And with that,


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[Assistant] It is time to play true and false guys. The first time we've had all four people in the building in 2023. So far the leaderboard.


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[Assistant] Divas has a win and Bull has a win. We're scrapping the record. It is 1-1-0-0 and today's feature of True and False is on the Browns newest running back, Kareem Hunt.


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[Assistant] Let's do it. Let's go. Question number one, Steve. Let's take it.


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[Assistant] Despite rushing for 5,204 yards and 83 touchdowns in his final two seasons at South Willoughby High School. That part is true. That is completely true.


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[Assistant] Hutton was rated as the 118th best running back in his senior year recruiting class.


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[Assistant] I can't read with Tyvis. Tyvis points at that camera. We can't see that camera Tyvis. Jays.


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[Assistant] False for bull and true for Jay. So three trues. If the trues are right, then bull, you're off to a disappointing start and the answer.


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[Assistant] Kareem Hunt rushed for a thousand yards in each of his four college seasons at the University of Toledo.


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[Assistant] Next up, true or false, Kareem Hunt ran a 4-6-40 yard dash at the NFL Combine. Is that true? Or is that false? A 4-6-40 yard dash.


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[Assistant] We'll add those back next week, I had forgotten. Alright, question number four.


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[Assistant] Kareem Hunt finished his first career NFL game with 246 total yards from scrimmage, the most ever in an NFL debut.


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[Assistant] Long way to go. Three questions left? I believe so, three questions left.


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[Assistant] Kareem Hunt has one son, who he named Kareem Jr.


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[Assistant] Alright, we got Haz coming up in a second. He's in here, so we're gonna finish this up here. Next question. Kareem Hunt's first Kareem, first career game as a member of the Browns came against the Buffalo Bills.


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[Assistant] Next up, Kareem Hunt dropped a four song EP in college called The Chronicles of Kareem, which he rapped about growing up in the suburbs of Cleveland.


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[Assistant] Alright, for all the marbles, a perfect game or a tie.


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[Assistant] Kareem Hunt rushed for five touchdowns in the 2015 Go Daddy Bowl against Arkansas State, which at the time,


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[Assistant] This is false. Oh boy. I hate, Jay, this is, just give it to Jay. He wins. He's 8-0. We're gonna celebrate his baseball pride.


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[Assistant] We have a post game show every week guys, and it is not only just a post game show, it is the single biggest post game show in the entire city of Cleveland. G. Bush, myself, Earl, it's not close, the numbers back it up. Check out, tune in, two minute warning, we are live every week. It's either a celebration or a therapy session.


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[Assistant] We don't pick it, the Browns decide how it goes, but it is a lot of fun. Every two minute warning, 17 times this season and hopefully many, many more in the playoffs. Two minute warning myself, G. Bush, Earl, check it out.


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[Assistant] And with that, let's welcome in our resident DJ, the man with all the bars and this week a redemption song for Deshaun Watson. It is DJ Hazmat.


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[Assistant] Real quick though, if you're looking for a job with career advancement and great benefits, PCC Airfoils is a leading manufacturer in Northeast Ohio. All locations of PCC Airfoils in Eastlake, Mentor, Wycliffe, and Minerva are hiring for all positions starting at $18 and up. Plus full benefit packages, paid time off, and a signing bonus. You can apply online at precast.com.


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[Assistant] If we find that out, we will drop it in the chat. Next one comes from Bill Roedewald. Proposed nickname for the Browns defense. The Wrecking Crew, Blue Collar, Working Town name. That was the A&M defensive nickname back in the day. But we don't need a nickname for the defense. We don't need it.


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[Assistant] And last one comes from Terrence Bivens. He says, Leroy spoke facts today. Tomlin has a history of coaching dirty players. So, uh, that was from Terrence Bivens. And with that.


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[Assistant] No, this, yesterday I put out the teaser, this one I, I did, made you look good. Okay. You ready? Let's, let's watch.


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[Assistant] It was fun, I got to hang out with Polk, his girlfriend Stephanie, and my Kamino showed up for a little bit. So we had a whole star studded, uh, cast the, uh, the crowd. I'm gonna say this, I don't know who watches, so.


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[Assistant] Let's just say fans of people who support elderly men playing baseball get very into the game.


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[Assistant] Jay, I'm Adam the Bull and, uh, yes, Deshaun Watson may not play this Sunday. What's it going to take for them to win with DTR potentially making his


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[Assistant] What makes it, you know, usually when you have a guy making his first NFL start, especially a guy who's not, you know, who's a late round pick. It's not like he's expected to be a starter at some point. Right. Uh, you would usually want to lean heavily on your running game.


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[Assistant] And we don't know yet if the Browns' current running game is capable. But we're gonna find out.


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[Assistant] Because if Deshaun Watson doesn't play, I can't have DTR throwing the ball 40 times. They can't win that way. So the Browns are going to have to run it, and they're going to have to run it well. I know the defense has been great guys, and I expect the defense to play great again.


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[Assistant] What he's normally doing and telling him, you just pay attention to this guy. I think that's a bad precedent to set. I understand Lamar is a unique quarterback. We all get that.


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[Assistant] But, Mike gave us some numbers in his five pack of questions before, where he talked about the fact that how bad Lamar is under pressure, and how good the Browns are at getting pressure. If the Browns continue to get pressure on Lamar,


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[Assistant] Those numbers would tell you the Ravens would win, but I don't buy those numbers because I think Deshaun Watson's responsible for a high percentage of his sacks. I think the Browns' problems on the offensive line are just one guy.


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[Assistant] Uh, to me, that's a big problem. But ultimately, and we had the Ravens beat reporter on yesterday, despite the numbers, he said, I'm concerned. They have Kyle Van Noy, they signed this week. He's going to be one of their top four guys in the pass rush. So I think the Browns offensive line is going to hold up well in this game.


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[Assistant] Right. We've talked a lot about Deshaun Watson's injury. His status is kind of unknown now for this weekend, but we've already heard that Odell Beckham and Marlon Humphrey, they're, yeah, obviously Marlon Humphrey is by far their best corner.


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[Assistant] Uh, those guys again did not practice today, so neither one is likely to play, but also Rashad Bateman was their number three receiver, he did not practice today. Two of their starting linebackers did not practice today, and their left tackle Ronnie Stanley, all six of those guys, not even limited, none of them practiced today. Alright, very interesting.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm with that. I think that makes the most sense. I think any more than that would be overly biased.


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[Assistant] I mean, certainly it could be zero, right? You know, uh, the Browns haven't proven anything yet. It's three games. However, the way they've played defense so far leads you to believe...


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[Assistant] They will have one of, if not the best defense in football. So yes, if you play the season 26 times, I think it's reasonable to think, as crazy as it may sound, that the Browns would win one of those 26 times.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's very rare that a guy takes no snaps on a Friday and plays them. You're right, that's game plan Friday.


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[Assistant] I think the Browns still have a chance with DTR. If DTR is a starting quarterback, I will flip my pick and pick the Ravens to win. I hope I'm wrong about that if it happens. But, uh, I had the Browns winning, uh, 27-13 or 23-13.


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[Assistant] But if uh, DTR plays, I've got the Ravens winning 13-10.


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[Assistant] I'm Gee Bush, the People's Champ, and I'm going to tell you why Deshaun Watson is going to deliver $230 million worth of plays Monday night against the Pittsburgh Steelers.


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[Assistant] I'm not second guessing it. I'm all in the Kool-Aid. Shout out to the Kool-Aid mafia. I will tell you this. Deshaun Watson wanted to come out against the Cincinnati Bengals and throw the football. But guess what?


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[Assistant] It was raining, it was terrible, and just go look at Joe Burrow's stats. I thought Deshaun Watson was pressing a little bit, but the great thing about the Cleveland Browns offense is you can't hand the ball to Nick Chubb, and he has time to develop that. You hand the ball to Nick Chubb and you continue to run the football, but I'm gonna tell you what out there in Cleveland, trust me, behave.


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[Assistant] Deshaun Watson is going to break out on the biggest stage Monday night football against the Steelers team that he can dominate with. And I think you're going to see a lot of rocking and rolling with Deshaun Watson. Let's go.


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[Assistant] Oh, well, it's intriguing because the Steelers line is horrible.


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[Assistant] Uh, when you talk about lineup for lineup, defensive lineman for defensive lineman, there's nobody touching the Cleveland Browns right now. And I like the 49ers. Myles Garrett with his new dribble moves, his dribble package in 2K, no one's stopping that. Zedarius Smith is doing his thing. Overall, 90, above 90 in pass rush grades and pressures.


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[Assistant] The Cleveland Browns will obviously dominate this up front. And just look how Joe Burrow looked moving around and trying to find different places.


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[Assistant] And follow that by Kenny Pickett being a second year player. I just think when you look at it, Jason, the Browns are going to dominate that, that group up front.


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[Assistant] G, what do you got? That's pretty good. What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna, uh, mail Deshaun Watson a VHS tape.


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[Assistant] All of the great plays that he's made throughout his career. All of them at Clemson, all of them with the youth detections. And the reason I'm doing that is to remind you that you're that guy.


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[Assistant] Don't worry about it. You got it, bro. We know what you do. You are that dude. You are him as we say in the hood. Make sure you can get back to that by sometimes reminding yourself, look, I'm good. I'm nice. I could get back there. I like that idea.


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[Assistant] He's gonna throw the football. He got his receivers hanging out after practice. Extra film work.


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[Assistant] I'll tell you what, I look at it like this. Zedarius Smith is a guy who had 10 sacks.


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[Assistant] In Minnesota. He's a bona fide pass rusher. He has multiple moves he can use. And Jason said it earlier.


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[Assistant] Watch how he gets after Joe Burrow off the edge, the first play of the game. He's going to get, be the beneficiary of a great Brown's defensive lineman, whether it's Aronco, whether it's Dalvin Thomas, whether it's Miles Garrett forcing quarterbacks to him. He's going to get overflow love. And I think he's going to have over a sack and a half.


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[Assistant] Well listen, 28 points, just take into consideration here. They actually scored 24 in the rain. Right. So, I mean, it's a couple extra points. Deshaun Watson will be better week two. You guys have all said, don't make me jerk reactions during week one. Teams make the biggest jump from week one to week two.


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[Assistant] Watson would be better. Nick Chubb would be ready to go. And I think the defense is going to give them short fields because they're going to get turnovers.


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[Assistant] I agree with you, the defense will be great. And you know, Myles Garrett in October always puts the quarterbacks to this front lawn. He gets excited with that. I say


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[Assistant] They start that a little earlier. The Cleveland Browns behind the D has the AFC North spooked Browns defense. Scary good in 34 to 10 win. And we do it earlier than October. We get real scary in September.


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[Assistant] That's it. When you were, when you were ranting was the first thing that came to my mind was the Ohio State Miami National Championship game. Because that defense hit Ken Dorsey. Like I've never seen a defense hit Ken Dorsey. That's my point. That was my only point. That's where you were going with it.


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[Assistant] But to not blow, you probably know what you're going to blow or you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] No excuse. Just call team security. Just call security. Right. Hey, come get me. I need a lift. That's why they're there. Like that's what they do.


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[Assistant] Typically in situations, when Schefter's reporting that, it's coming, most likely, I don't know who he's talking to, but most likely. Hi Op. It's his agent. Schefter's talking to the agent.


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[Assistant] A lot of the other people are talking to the team. Of course the team wants to keep the veil of secrecy.


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[Assistant] Of whether or not he's gonna play or not just for strategic purposes and for competitive advantage reasons.


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[Assistant] But I tend to lean Schefter on this because he's more than likely talking to Cooper's side of it.


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[Assistant] Like, you know, Anthony Schwartz, we knew drops were part of it. It was the speed that got him to the league. David Bell is supposed to be his hands. Yeah. So if he's dropping those, but it was one pass. I'm not going to give up on a guy because of one pass.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they would become the one. I'm just looking at the trickle down effect down the line of who's the guy that's going to emerge and that's why I kind of think it might be David Bell.


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[Assistant] It could be Toma, but I think it might be David Bell. But, I mean, you know, I'm not expecting David Bell to have six catches for 85 yards tonight, obviously.


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[Assistant] I want to go back and look at the snap counts from last week because I feel like Tillman wasn't on the field very much. He was not on the field much.


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[Assistant] I feel like I only saw Tillman out there two or three times, but obviously I missed the others.


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[Assistant] We said all offseason, if, if Amari Cooper goes down, what does this receiving core look like, right? I mean, that was a...


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[Assistant] But the problem with groins is a lot like with the burrow injury with the calf, they linger and it just takes one small tweak or one small move as we saw in practice on Friday and now he's laid up again.


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[Assistant] Well, I certainly don't think this is anything catastrophic. I do think it's something we're going to have to watch throughout the year. So I'm kind of with bowl. I'm in that sort of sixth range. I think I was probably...


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[Assistant] Seven before and probably a six now. I didn't overly love these guys to begin with, uh, as a whole.


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[Assistant] But, uh, when you lose your top dog, your number one guy, and you've got a lot of unproven guys behind him, yeaah, of course it's gonna corrode your confidence.


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[Assistant] Bud Carson's first game as head coach. That's crazy.


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[Assistant] I think it's a significant upgrade over the cloud over the course of the season. Yes. He's more, to me, Grant Delpin is more run help and Juan Thornhill is more pass help.


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[Assistant] That's right. And, and so he's gonna help in the past coverage. The Steelers are without Deontay Johnson. They might be without George Pickens. Like, they're a mess. Yeah. Whoa, what happened with Pickens all of a sudden? Pickens was hamstring.


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[Assistant] So no Cam Hayward, no Deontay Johnson, Pickens questionable, even if he plays, the hamstring is going to slow him down, you would have to imagine. So, I mean, yeah, Juan Thornhill is going to play a role, but also the Steelers just being decimated. And they don't have a good running game.


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[Assistant] Do I stay with the shtick or do I go with the right answer? Because this is definitely after.


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[Assistant] Not necessarily for the Browns, right? Who led the game in passing yards? September 10th, 2017. I know it. Correct.


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[Assistant] That would have been... I was covering the NBA.


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[Assistant] So it was the year before the Baker draft. Who'd they open with in 2017? I don't like that.


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[Assistant] No, you know, I remember when in real time, I think actually it was 7-0 before I turned on, actually. Like I sat down, it was 7-0 already, I was like.


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[Assistant] I'm not going to nitpick a playoff win, especially for this franchise. Like, I think you can objectively, in the moment, I remember looking at it going, well, you know, Pittsburgh really sort of handed it to them, but so what? Like, you still take it. Gladly take it and put it in your bag and run.


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[Assistant] But you still get credit for it. Of course they get credit for it. No, I'm saying it's the same thing as the Browns playoff win. You look at it and you go, well, I don't know if they're really loving to know, but they're loving to know. So you get credit for it.


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[Assistant] Well I had Chubb at one miles barely over a watt, so I would stay, I'd still stay with Chubb. I have miles.


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[Assistant] I will save mine cause it doesn't matter. Okay.


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[Assistant] Emerson did play all 17 games. He did? He did. I'm not a big Odell fan, but I'm like, Bull, I don't wish injury on anyone.


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[Assistant] He, he should, he, not should have, he could have been fired after the playoff collapsed last year.


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[Assistant] So that's two good teams that could be out of the mix. For the first time in 20 years, I don't care about the rest of the AFC, I'm looking at the division. You went tonight, you go 2-0 to start in this division with Baltimore coming in a couple weeks.


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[Assistant] When the division, like don't worry about what's going on. And, and when have we ever, I mean, it was week four last year and we were saying, at least I was saying guys, the division's gone. It has to be the wild card. Maybe it wasn't quite that early, but it was, it was early. It was early. Where we, where I thought they can't win the division. They're not going to win the division. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That's reversed.


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[Assistant] Early last year, I was looking going, you can't win the wild card. It's going to have to be the division. I don't know how you're going to win this division. That's why I was pessimistic on them making the playoffs because they lost to so many of those teams, the Jets.


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[Assistant] It's about the division, guys. It's not about the wild card, it's not about what's going on in New York, Miami, Buffalo, none of that. Win the division, win tonight, go to 2-0 in the division, and you just set your scope on winning the AFC North. I want a home field advantage.


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[Assistant] And we can throw the jets out, right? Like, they're done. They're done. Throw them out.


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[Assistant] Their offense is scary. You have six division games. You start out 2-0. Yea, it's a good advantage. And win the division. That's right.


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[Assistant] How are they gonna move the ball tonight without Deontay Johnson with a bum leg on George Pickens? How are they gonna move the ball?


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[Assistant] No, it's alright, he's allowed to be wrong. He is wrong.


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[Assistant] Yeah, definitely surprised. You know, those things happen. You know, obviously that's a horrendous way to start a game. You know, a pick on the first play is awful enough and you know, much less, you know, they run it back for a touchdown. You know, that's a horrible way to start a game.


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[Assistant] But you know, you bounce back. It's early in the game. You know, you get guys on the sideline and say, look, that's just one play. We've got a whole game to make up for this. You know, and so there's no reason to press the panic button that early in the game. Uhm, you know, I get it's on the road. It's in a hostile environment. The crowds going crazy. That gets even more, gets the fans even more into the game when a play like that happens. But you know, you got veteran players on that football team and


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[Assistant] You know, it's probably, you know, betting with a, you know, betting with my heart, you know, I hope they win. I can't, I couldn't stand to see them lose two in a row. So I'm going to go with the Browns at home. I love it. A heart pick. Tim, thanks man. We'll see you next time.


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[Assistant] Thanks Jay, and now I'm going to break down a play that happened in the first quarter of this game that led to a dominant defensive performance by the Browns. Now, it's third and three on this play as you can see.


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[Assistant] The key to this is that the Browns have to run man to man on third and three. You typically want to run man to man on third and short yardage because you want that coverage to be tight. You don't really want to run zone. The Browns elect to go


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[Assistant] The quarterback never expects that to happen, and that's what led to this interception. If Dale Pitt continues to play at this level right here, then he better hire Jerry Maguire as his agent, and he better tell the Browns to show him the money. And this right here is why I am down with the dog pound this year. Back to you guys. Alright, very good.


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[Assistant] The longer it takes for that game, the more questions we're going to have, the more it's going to become a talking point. And that's the way it should be.


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[Assistant] Absolutely it should be, but let's just say that it is this game.


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[Assistant] Do you understand this is a nationally televised game? People are going to have no idea what to do with it, how to handle it, how to talk about it if this is the game Deshaun Watson wins for the Browns.


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[Assistant] People nationally are going to have absolutely no idea what to do with it and how to talk about it. That's just fascinating to me. As someone in the media and someone who's like really in the fire here with it, with it being here in Cleveland. How much talk do you have with your colleagues about that?


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[Assistant] When it comes up, it's difficult for me to have the conversations because nobody wants to talk about it and nobody nationally wants to give him any sort of credit. And there may be people locally who agree with that. I'm guessing there's a lot of people locally who hate that. People do not want to talk about him in a positive light.


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[Assistant] That's a good point because that is a big difference between the two of them. But I mean, it's not just Vic, it's, it's Kobe, it's Ben Roethlisberger, Ray Lewis. The list goes on of guys who have hit bottom and somehow made it back to the top. Uh, I mean, Vic went to prison.


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[Assistant] That's something none of those other guys did. That's one major difference between them. But it, it, one reason I point this out is because this is a nationally televised game. This is the game. This is the game the entire country is going to be talking about Tuesday morning.


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[Assistant] By design, I believe by design, kept him far away from the spotlight. Like they could have put that Houston game on national television and they didn't. They made it a one o'clock game, a regional kick.


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[Assistant] This is really his big return on the national stage. And depending on how he plays, this is, he's going to be who everyone across the country is talking about Tuesday morning. I don't give a crap about any of that.


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[Assistant] What in the world happened last week in that Niners game and what's the feeling this week about this team?


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[Assistant] I'm very concerned about the Browns tackles, said it all week, and...


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[Assistant] Equal is not the same as more, so it wouldn't surprise me if they each have one, if they each have...


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[Assistant] I think they're each gonna get home. I think they're each gonna get sacks. Uh, I just, I'm, I'm really concerned about the Bronx.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't think it's, I don't think this is it. The big breakout game. I think that's next week. I hope it gets here soon. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Let's talk about this, this morning. Yards, I don't know if we can really use yards as a measuring stick anymore, because defenses will give you whatever you want between the 20s.


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[Assistant] We give you whatever you want, 20 to 20, it's what you do in the red zone. That's all that matters anymore in the NFL. What do you do in the red zone?


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[Assistant] Also, I do think, we'll get to this, I think, coming up. I think the Browns defense is going to turn him over a couple of times. That's the last question. I hope short fields. Alright, next question.


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[Assistant] I don't know if it'll be that high of a number every week, but I do think that's gonna become a thing of spreading it around. That's what it has to be. That's part of the reason I said no to this, because I do think it's gonna be spread a little bit more evenly.


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[Assistant] To your point, I do like the fact they lined up Elijah Moore in the backfield one play, then they go no huddle, empty the next. Yep, I like that too. And I think that's going to be, again, when the conditions are better, if Deshaun's hot.


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[Assistant] I think that's gonna be something that you see more often is.


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[Assistant] Change of pace, change of tempo, change of style. Look over here, know we're going over here. Yeaah. I, we haven't even talked about it, I don't think, unless you guys do and I wasn't in.


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[Assistant] I, I love the play to Goodwin, where Chubb takes a snap, hands off to Deshawn, circle back in the thr- I like that too.


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[Assistant] Brooke, it came up on replay obviously that Kenny took a pretty big shot to the head.


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[Assistant] Has that been discussed post-game why he wasn't evaluated and where does that stand?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think that's fair. And I think it's also the guys they brought in. You know, we talked about it earlier, Zedariah Smith got the quarterback in the first play of the game. Well, we've never seen that before. On a three-step drop.


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[Assistant] To club them like that. So I think that there is a little bit more level of nasty. It starts up front. I think it starts with some of the guys that they've brought in because a lot of the back seven is the same.


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[Assistant] But the front floor changed and the, and the defensive coordinator changed. And I told you he was struttin' out of there, uh, he was struttin' out of the locker room. He had the white pants on and he was doing the boss. He was doing the Colin McGregor. I wish you would have shot some phone video for us.


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[Assistant] And again, I think we talked about this Monday, Miles has dropped in coverage before and he was complaining about it and said, I don't know what I'm doing back here. He gladly dropped in coverage on Monday and with the basketball move from like, Miles is having fun right now and you want Miles Garrett in a good mood and having fun.


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[Assistant] The, the history thing matters to me just because we, like, we sat here last year and said the Browns are better than the Steelers. Talent wise, I think the Browns are better than Pittsburgh. But we said that last year and ultimately it didn't matter. They went to Pittsburgh and they got their doors blown off again. I do think the time, timing matters. It was December last year.


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[Assistant] It was the end of the season. They had nothing left to play for. Yeah, they had nothing left to play for. This is the second week of the season. They got everything in front of them. I think that makes a huge difference, but I can't just dismiss out of hand the fact that their Monday night record, the fact that it's been an absolute house of horrors in that stadium and the stadium prior to that was a house of horrors for the Browns.


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[Assistant] History matters to me. Does it mean the Browns are going to lose this game? No, of course not. But I think it's foolish to just, I think we've learned time and time again, dismiss Pritzberg at your own peril. And I'm just not ready to do it. I don't care who's out there, who's not out there. They always find a way. It's the culture, it's the fabric of the organization. They always find a way.


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[Assistant] I believe the defense is different. I believe the defense is legit. What we saw again, I don't think they're going to hold every team to three points and 80 passing yards, but I think that effort, that ability, that's going to carry. That's going to, I still need to see it out of the offense, but defensively, I think that's legit.


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[Assistant] I didn't know it carried through the rest of the season, but I remember people talking about that midway through the year last year. It's crazy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, of course nothing is guaranteed. I think what Mike's trying to point out is the fact that like, look, we knew the Steelers offensive line wasn't very good, wasn't very good last year. And now here's more proof. You see the way that the Browns dominated the Bengals last week.


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[Assistant] And the Bengals, I think you would agree have a better offensive line with this team. So it's all lining up well. It is. Uhm, you know, I kind of, I'm going to spin this just a half rotation because Ty was put something in our chat last night that I thought was really interesting. I didn't really think about it. I was half watching the game last night, Eagles Vikings game last night.


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[Assistant] And the Eagles were just running right at the middle of the Minnesota's defense. And why is that? Who was missing off the Vikings defensive line? He's in a bronze uniform now. Both of them. Both of them. And, and, and you see that. Now, like, that to me is just as much


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[Assistant] Evidence, and I'll now bring that back to the Browns, like they're in Cleveland now. And I mentioned it earlier, we saw it on the first play of the game last week, first play, first snap, three step drop, Zedaria Smith gets there.


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[Assistant] The Bengals, they had one drive where they found some room in the middle of the defensive line. But I guess in watching the game last night, and seeing what Minnesota was missing against Philly,


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[Assistant] One of the best in football this year. As far as the PFF grades, you can't look at the Steelers PFF grades and say, okay, well the Browns are going to dominate, but then look at the PFF grades of the Browns tackles and the defensive backs from last week and say, oh well those don't count.


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[Assistant] Cause that's, I feel like that's what we've done. We've, we've taken the PFF grades of Dewan Jones and, and the defensive pass and say, no, they played better than that. But then you look at the Steelers PFF grades and go, Oh, well look, they suck. The PFF grades. The only difference is who they were playing against too.


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[Assistant] I, I, I don't know how Jimmy structures contracts. I know Dan was the same way with the Cavs. And he, when he fires guys, he stretches it. So they, so it's still true. But a lot, if it's a five year deal, he stretches it over ten years.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of people complaining about Matt Canada last year. The Steelers fans I know are screaming about it. Again, we only have one game to go on this year, so it goes back to Overreaction Monday. Let's wait and see. If there's still this terrible three or four weeks from now, then yea, Matt Canada is back.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Tim, the Browns haven't finished ahead of the Steelers in the standings since 1989.


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[Assistant] Tim, I know we want to look ahead to the Steelers, but I have to, this could be a really stupid question, but I'm going to ask you anyway.


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[Assistant] Against the Bengals, neither team was expecting it to rain. And it didn't rain that hard. It really, it wasn't a monsoon by any means. But it clearly affected both teams. Does it matter? Is it game plan as a quarterback? If you, cause my theory all week has been, well, neither team prepared for it. Neither team expected it. So then when it rained,


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[Assistant] Neither team knew how to handle it, but obviously played in the rain before and it just felt like the second half game plan was different.


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[Assistant] Is that a, am I nuts or is that a thing? If you're not expecting it to rain and you set up a game plan for clear skies and then all of a sudden it rains all day, can it have that big of an impact? Cause I don't understand why, how that light of a rain could have impacted both teams as much as it seemed to.


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[Assistant] Tim, if you took two years off, what would be the last thing to come back as a quarterback? And the reason I ask is because...


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[Assistant] I went back and watched, I was at the game as in the press box, but then I went back and watched some of the films of it. It just looked like Deshaun was just late processing things. Like, he was late throwing to Marquis Goodwin. He was, he didn't see guys who were wide, it didn't, it felt to me like he just didn't see guys who were wide open.


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[Assistant] And I'm just wondering if the mental processing is the first thing to come back or the last thing to come back. If you took that much time off as a quarterback, what's the last thing you would get back?


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[Assistant] But you can't fake who you are. And he is nasty on the field. You know, I don't want to go back and I've already said there were things in the offseason I wish he would have done better and done differently. But this is who he is. And on the field, he's a terror. I can't remember who the quarterback was.


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[Assistant] It was actually that Steelers game when he got flagged for that rough. And it was a, we looked at that one and I, I talked to him after that game.


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[Assistant] I don't know that he'll ever lead the team in catches again like he did in week one. I think that was weather related in the fact that, again, it just felt like Deshaun was half a click off.


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[Assistant] I think he's going to be looking down the field more and that's more of the safety valve dump off. Maybe, maybe, I don't know, four just feels a little bit high to me.


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[Assistant] I would just say we, we saw Nick and Kareem in the backfield together in week one last year and thought, okay, here we go. Like this is it. And that was it. And that's the last time we saw him.


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[Assistant] Is have a lead in the fourth quarter and then let him run his wheels off. That's right. Give it to him in the fourth quarter, pound on the defense, run out the clock.


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[Assistant] Lengthen the peak of his career. The prime of his career.


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[Assistant] I also, we've had the discussion, people don't want to hear it, this very well could be his last year in Brown's uniform. They touched every contract to restructure, they restructured every big number contract except his. There's a reason for that. I understand. But I'm just saying.


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[Assistant] There's a chance that this could be his last year. Run the wheels off. So to your point, I'm with you on that. I don't think that there's some magic number of 20 carries wins you a game. I think that's nonsense. I do too, but I do think we are in the year. This is the season. Use him as much as you need to use him to get where you want to go. There's no more saving him for another day.


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[Assistant] One more thing to close the loop on the Nick Chubb. I said it all last year and everybody thought I was nuts. And I think the farther we get from last year, the more it's looking like


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[Assistant] I was right. They punted on last season. They punted on the season. As soon as the suspension went to 11 games, they didn't go after Garoppolo. They looked at Jacobi Berset and said, that's good enough. We'd rather roll over the cap space. We're going to need it in the future. And this season is what it is. And that's why they kept some of the training wheels on Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] Because they weren't playing for anything last year. They knew it was over as soon as the suspension went to 11 games. That's right. Like it or not, that's true. It is true and I don't like it. I don't like it as a fan.


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[Assistant] You need more than three. It's a great couple years. It's a snowball. Five games. If you remember back to 95.


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[Assistant] Not at all. And that's the point. There's never been a take worse than Donovan Mitchell having the best calf season ever. Earl will forever hold that in.


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[Assistant] Funny you ask, because when we initially did this a couple weeks ago...


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[Assistant] I said that I had the bingles and then I had the browns right here, you know? Like 1A? Yea, it's like right there. Cause I, I seen the vision, alright? I see the vision. And Bull, I know you're watching and you're saying, Tyrus, I can't believe that of all people that you are saying this right now,


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[Assistant] But like I said, it's something that's concrete to me. Like I see the concepts on offense, I know that it's going to come. I got a whole bunch of faith that Deshaun Watson is going to figure it out. And that defense to me is something that's going to transition.


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[Assistant] Is that, if all else fails, he can run. He can run that ball, so he can still be. So can Daniel Jones. Nah, nah. Yes he can. No, don't do that. Go look back. He tripped over his own feet.


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[Assistant] And he should have. He tried. It didn't work. But anyways, anyways, he got more, he got a lot of talent around him. And like I say, he was, he was identifying where to go. I'm just going to say that the weather did play a huge part in it because that's half the battle, knowing where to go with the football.


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[Assistant] Do you remember last year when coming into the season I said, there's this thing called the plan to win. The plan to win, the three things at the top is play great defense, run the ball, and take care and get the ball back. And don't turn it over and create tension.


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[Assistant] Leroy, you know the one thing that I gave Kevin Stefanski the credit for is


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[Assistant] When you look at Najee Harris for Pittsburgh, you know, he come in.


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[Assistant] I tell you what, not having the tackle could really kill the whole season. I've seen so many quarterbacks that, especially on a collegiate level, where they were supposed to be for sure first round picks and not having a left tackle killed their draft stock. So, it can be fatal.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I'm hoping that Kevin Stefanski is good enough and wise enough to realize that, you know, his tackles can't be put in one-on-one situations quite often. Deshaun Watson is a great athlete, but I mean, you're talking about...


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[Assistant] Guys like Andrew Luck's career is being cut short. You talk about Justin Fields right now who's getting sacked at a high clip. So it can't kill it. Uhm, I trust Bill Callahan to get things done. I would be more...


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[Assistant] Uhm, secure, I'd feel more secure if they did have a veteran tackle in their work.


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[Assistant] I trust they will. What I would say about the Browns and what they've shown just this whole season and this off season is that they know what's at stake.


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[Assistant] So Bleacher reports said they came out with the five trades that must happen after week one. And it was a lot of good trades in there. They had the Browns.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Sorry. Yeaah, signings, my fault. And Marcus Cannon was the one for the Browns. They said that the tackle position, obviously Jack Conklin going down, and Jay Wills with the question mark. They said Marcus Cannon would be the perfect fit for him. He was an expatriate. I think they took him in the fifth round, I think. Do you, do you like that?


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[Assistant] Hendrickson is still a top tier. He's a good one. DSO.


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[Assistant] Cause he a dog, that's why. No, okay, so on this first play, obviously he's at the bottom of the screen right here. And when I saw this play, it reminded me of...


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[Assistant] And I actually text Sherm about it this morning because I mean, he looks literally identical to what Sherm was doing. So I asked Sherm.


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[Assistant] You know, if you watch him, if you watch Martin on this, you see that, that he sees it's an outside release. He sees that he's getting the fade ball. But what's so impressive about it is that he gets his eyes right around, like immediately, which is something that you're not supposed to do. But the reason that Martin is doing it is because he understands that they're going to throw back shoulder phase.


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[Assistant] He got his eyes back for the back shoulder and it was a back shoulder pass. So Martin Emerson is not just a good football player. He's smart. He's watching tape and he understands signals or something. Something was given that he paid attention to and caught to know that that's a back shoulder fade.


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[Assistant] The reason you squeeze into the sideline is because now there's no route that he can run. If he runs a comeback, he's gonna run out of bounds. It can only be a fade.


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[Assistant] He like hit his leg or tap his foot or something like that. I knew that that was back shoulder. So when I seen it, I played it like that. So I said that it looked like exactly what it is. And this very next play that McNuggets is about to show.


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[Assistant] He does it, he almost do pretty much the same thing again.


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[Assistant] But, he stayed on top of the route this time and it's on T Higgins. Boom, he on top. Staffs gets his head, he flips his head around and he's ready to play it. He knows.


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[Assistant] Because a lot of these, he eliminated a lot of routes when he gets them pushed, stab him off. See, what people gotta realize about these fade routes, if you ever go to like a practice and watch them practice, it's this red line that goes up to, that goes, it's like,


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[Assistant] So what a corner wants to do is you want to knock him off of that red line so it eliminates that sideline throw. He can't throw it because there's no space. So Martin Emerson, boom, stabs. You see double stab and now they run it up the sideline and he has nowhere to throw the ball. He gets his head around and he plays the ball.


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[Assistant] So he, he just, Bart Emerson is, uh, he's really been working on his press technique and coming out of college. I told y'all the one thing that excited me is that he led the SEC and PBU's past breakups.


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[Assistant] That was important because it told me that he knows how to play the football. Instinctively knows where it's going to be too. Cause that ball go up in the air and people get nervous, they slow their feet down. It's a lot of stuff that go into DB that people don't know about. Like when you turn your header and you look for the ball, instinctually you slow down.


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[Assistant] He plays that right, gets his head, stays on top of the route, and he's able to play on top of the ball. He's on top of it, so he's essentially the receiver of T-Higgins. He's going to be a pro bowler. He is! I like him, man. He got some really good game, man. Like I said, I challenged him right on this show. I sat right in this seat, right here, and I said, Martin,


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[Assistant] They put you as CB3, but you are better than CB3. You should challenge to be CB1 after this season. And after one game.


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[Assistant] I can tell they're in cover two because you can see the corners hinging off. Hinging means that they're getting towards the sideline. So why this play is significant to me is that, okay, as a cor- let me give y'all what the responsibility as a cover two corner is. As a cover two corner, you want, you want to push your receiver inside. You want to send him inside and you hinge and you get, you get width.


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[Assistant] You want to get towards the sideline because you want to play that seven cut.


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[Assistant] Usually in these concepts, you get high lows. So maybe number two runs a seven cut while number one sits down in front of you. They want you to take that one in front of you so they can hit the seven cut behind you. As a corner, you have to play everything deep to short.


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[Assistant] So, in this particular, this particular route right here, as you notice, the tight end at the bottom, he chips the, he chips the D in and then he runs that little flat route.


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[Assistant] What makes Martin Emerson successful on this play, even though he didn't make the tackle, is that he shot the outside leg, keeping


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[Assistant] So in this play right here, obviously you got eyes on the quarterback. The quarterback breaks contained. He running out.


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[Assistant] You got your job responsibility. What you want to do is before you decide to go, you want to take one more peek behind you to make sure that you got enough depth that that quarterback can't squeeze that ball behind you.


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[Assistant] Can this group be that? I tell you what, when you look around the NFL, it's not a lot of guys that can say, especially as a trio, for you, I'm just talking corners and a nickel. Right. It's not a lot of teams that can say that. At every spot, they strong there. The Browns can say that.


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[Assistant] They're pretty young. That's the best thing about it. They're all young. With Denzel being the leader, now Denzel's biggest challenge, his biggest challenge is staying healthy. But from a coverage standpoint, they're all pretty strappy. Like they are really tight in coverage. And with that pass rush,


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[Assistant] And like I said, Denzel, I get it. You just came out of concussion protocol. You ain't trying to go back. So I get it. But everybody, but everybody else.


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[Assistant] It was quick. They were to the ball. That's what I'm saying. That's what you want. And that's a Jim Shores play. You at least want them to be aggressive and make the aggressive moves. And at worst, if they miss, they helping out so well because they're missing and keeping contained on the ball. That's what you want.


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[Assistant] The D line, but they go hand in hand because


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[Assistant] You think about this, and you know who said it? To bring him up, G-Dub, Greg Williams said it.


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[Assistant] Denzel. Everybody was like, get Bradley Chubb. Yea, I remember that. They was like, get Bradley Chubb with that pick. And he said, no, I'mma get Denzel Ward. He said, the problem is, Miles Garrett is this close to getting there, but the quarterback's getting rid of the ball because somebody's open. We don't have nobody in the secondary to stop him.


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[Assistant] So, they went and got Denzel Ward, somebody that gets tight coverage. Why? Because now that quarterback has to stop and think for a second, like, maybe I can't. And at that moment, boom.


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[Assistant] I don't think the Browns have won a lot of games in Pittsburgh, that's why.


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[Assistant] Everybody knows there's a rivalry, it's been dominant, and it's in Pittsburgh. Like I don't think that's a fluke to go in there and just win. Especially if you win in a great fashion. Like if you go in there and do a Sam Fran type thing.


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[Assistant] Like you have no choice but to address what's going on in Cleveland. And I, and I think G's right. I think that everybody comes in and plays their part in this because we still are waiting to see this, this playbook that's just so open. Now we got to see glimpses of it. I got to see concepts like that. That Marquis plays the first one where he overthrew it.


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[Assistant] No, he just do top 5. I said, why you a, why you a include the Browns? He said, I'm not putting no stock into the Browns. Too early.


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[Assistant] I thought that was time. No, we was time, but. You missed that one. So now it's 5, 4, 3. It was time.


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[Assistant] First of all, I just wanna, I wanna thank God, you know. Some of these questions was very tricky. You know, me being the young guy of this show is very shocking that I was able to do this. But the thing is, YouTube exists, and if you just do your homework and you study, and you die hard, are you a diehard Browns?