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[Assistant] All of this is conventional wisdom. None of it is hyperbole. It's all fact based. It's all common sense. How is it that this organization


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[Assistant] Didn't get a backup quarter, a real backup quarterback in here on the Monday following the injury. It's inexplicable.


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[Assistant] I think the way they handled the kicker thing, I applaud them a million times over. Not just because the way it worked out, because our eyes told us what they had wasn't good enough. We have to see something else.


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[Assistant] He didn't stay at the party too long, he didn't cost us a regular season game, they made a decision, you're out, they did their due diligence on those that were available, came up kinda with a sleeper pick, and this guy has literally been the best kicker in the NFL this year.


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[Assistant] So kudos to you. Andrew Berry, front office. You assessed a problem and you presented a workable solution.


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[Assistant] Now look, you're watching the same thing unfold in real time. We're seeing it. All the fans are seeing it. The metrics, if you want to lean heavily on analytics, tell you that this team's quarterback play is ranked 32nd.


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[Assistant] Put him on the practice squad and bring him back up. So you gotta make a decision now. I mean, right now he's your option. But that's the point. You weren't even worried about losing him. No, you weren't. At this point,


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[Assistant] I'm stunned that they haven't reached the conclusion that all of us have and that most fans have is that this ain't it. We've gotta move on something. And look, I understand the argument that while, you know, trading for a guy is next to impossible, I get that.


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[Assistant] There are the options available that we talked about and you hit it right on the head to start the show. Nick Foles is not a great quarterback or he'd be on a roster.


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[Assistant] And, you know, the same thing can be said for Carson Wentz, but they're better than what we have.


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[Assistant] Carson Wentz was 11 and 2. Yep. And Nick Foles came in and saved the season and took him to a Super Bowl win.


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[Assistant] No, but by the way, how did I not have that? I mean, you know, it's always the craziest and most wild things that happen to this franchise, but that's exactly what we're talking about. I should have known it was coming.


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[Assistant] It went on, it went on for about four minutes. Uhm, I think that the original line that certainly ruffled the feathers of Quincy was that he's basically


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[Assistant] The one that's reporting on his injury. Everybody else in the medical community says he's cleared to play. Guys, I think that goes back to what I think are competing factions here. The Browns and their management need him on the field to keep their jobs. And Brady Quinn got one thing right.


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[Assistant] There's no urgency for Deshaun Watson to do it. Now, to make the leap of faith that he's just not doing it because he doesn't want to do it, that is where I thought it was a personal character assassination and that was unfair.


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[Assistant] It was him, but it was him. It was him. He really went there. It devolved quickly because if you go through the timeline, the first salvo, and this is his job, we take shots at guys all the time. That's what we're paid to do is tell it how we see it. I get that.


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[Assistant] That, that is a character assassination. That's a negative connotation. Yes. From there, it escalated to, you're a high school chick.


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[Assistant] And then Brady just went full on nuclear with the, let's massage this conversation to a happy ending.


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[Assistant] I know we have, I know we have, but I would tell Quincy this, you're accomplished at what you've done.


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[Assistant] Bro, you're a professional. And you've got real cred.


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[Assistant] Just tune out that nonsense. People are going to take shots. It's just inevitable.


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[Assistant] It doesn't, you don't have to respond to it and come down to that level. Just let it go and just


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[Assistant] Coach up your quarterback to go out one day and have a great game. And then if you want to say we'll prove Brady Quinn wrong.


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[Assistant] I agree with the part that he's better than that. I think he's very good at his job. Brady Quinn is very good at his job. And I'm not alone in that field. There are a lot of television executives that think he is. And I just thought that was below him to go there. Let me, this is fascinating guys.


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[Assistant] I think the difference is, uh, Bulger's comment was, he's soft because of his upbringing, he didn't have to work hard for anything.


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[Assistant] And Brady came from, you know, Brady came from means, I'm not sure that his family was wealthy, but he certainly lived a more privileged life than some that follow that path. And I think he may have looked at Booger's comments as an attack on anybody who's come


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[Assistant] Through the ranks of college and into the NFL. If they, if they weren't hungry on the street. So then what? Well, that's a fair. I am not. I'm not by the way.


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[Assistant] I don't like it. I like to find solutions. I hate when guys are going at it. It makes me uncomfortable. I know it's part of the world.


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[Assistant] But I think the world would be a better place if people got together and discussed their disagreements face to face instead of firing bombs and weapons and guns. And in this position, I'm not, I'm not equating this to war.


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[Assistant] When, I wish that when Quincy saw that,


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[Assistant] I understand why he would be upset because he knows Deshaun, he knows what this guy's character is and somebody just attacked his partner and friend. I get that. What I would have done was I would have sent him a message and said, hey, hit me up on DM. I would have got his digits. I would have called him and said, look, in my view, you don't know the whole story.


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[Assistant] I want to facilitate it so you know the whole story. Here's Deshawn's number. He's free at 7 o'clock tonight.


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[Assistant] I think you guys should have a talk and don't come at him with knives. And I've told the Sean, you guys should talk this out so you have a better understanding of what he's going through.


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[Assistant] Cause let's face it, we're guilty of the same thing. A lot of times we're out here lobbing bombs and we don't know. There's things we don't know. We only know what either the player or the team tells us. There's so much we don't, there's more that we don't know than we know.


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[Assistant] But we're paid to opine. That's what we do. We give our thoughts.


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[Assistant] I wish that Quincy would handle things more like that. Quincy's got an edge to him. If he was working for a team, the first thing the team would tell him, those days are over. You're not Twitter beefing with crazy fans or media members. We don't do that. I think Quincy's above that. I really do. This man is accomplished.


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[Assistant] Accomplished at what he does. He's good. And Brady knows that. And Brady has worked his way into a very prominent position in the media. He's a, he's good too.


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[Assistant] To throw public jabs at one another when they're not fully informed. Now, if Brady calls Deshaun, has a 45 minute conversation with him, you know what happens the next day on the air? Cause what's happening on today's show is he's throwing nuclear bombs at Deshaun Watson and Quincy. Both of them. You diffuse all that.


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[Assistant] And you, I love this saying, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.


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[Assistant] You call Quincy, they have a 45 minute conversation. You know how today's show starts? Brady's saying, I'm gonna start today's show with an apology. I went off yesterday and it was a little misguided.


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[Assistant] I didn't know, I didn't have all the facts. I only had what the media has been sharing with us and I was dead wrong. And I had a conversation with the Sean Watson yesterday and I now have all the facts. So now you should listen to what I say.


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[Assistant] This man's not stealing anybody's money. This man wants to be on the football field. Bring those two together and make it, turn it into a positive instead of where we are now.


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[Assistant] I agree, uh, I hate to see it. Hopefully they can settle things out and everybody gets on the same page. Mikey?


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[Assistant] And that's it, Bull. Like, I want fair criticism. And here's the other thing, before you criticize, you do have to make sure that


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[Assistant] You have a pretty good understanding of where things stand, and I just don't think that Brady, all Brady's hearing is what we're hearing, and we're confused. And we're immersed in it. We're in the epicenter of that universe. We hear every little morsel and nugget of news. Brady's hearing the stuff that


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[Assistant] That's fair. That's all completely fair. But when you question a man, I agree with you G, it's the player's fraternity thing, but when you insinuate that a man is faking an injury, that is a character assassination that cannot be undone.


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[Assistant] That's ridiculous! I really, I really, uh, I think that they have to have a conversation. I think that Deshaun needs to have a conversation with Brady and not a I'm gonna kick your ass conversation.


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[Assistant] You know, just an enlightening conversation. Let me enlighten you on things you don't know that might change your mind because of all people, you've been where I'm standing in the same spot with the same franchise. With the same crazy fan base. Right. And, and, and by the way, if you do compare the injuries on, on


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[Assistant] On the uninformed fan scale, the pinky rates way below the throwing shoulder. I mean, now look, I'm not saying that all pinky injuries are less severe than a shoulder injury.


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[Assistant] To the uninformed mind and people that we don't know exactly all the details, we're like, come on, you're right, it's your pinky, you know.


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[Assistant] Why, why can't, why, why can't Barry say that? Here's unfortunately, and I'm reading into body language and that can be bad. I did that when I initially said it looked like Stefanski was hot when he walked away from the conversation.


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[Assistant] Maybe he was because all this time he does think he should play. And I hope I'm not making another mistake, but to me, it almost feels like I saw Deshaun Watson on the sideline by himself too much last week. Why are his teammates not coming to him? And why is he, you know, like,


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[Assistant] Do the teammates now think that this guy should be playing because what the team is saying about him?


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[Assistant] I don't think the front office and the head coach have done him any favors with his teammates, the media, or the fan base. This is a serious injury. I've had the same injury. When touched, it feels like someone's sticking a screwdriver in you.


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[Assistant] I don't know exactly that we had exactly the same grade of it. It is a real thing.


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[Assistant] I love it. I love it. So pay attention to all the teams in the NFL. Obviously the Seahawks. I'll give you my thumbnail assessment of this team. I think they've got good quarterback play. I think their defense is sensational and I think most of


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[Assistant] The fanbase nationally may have underrated just how good this team is. Am I close?


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[Assistant] You feel better just, just being around him. He's got so much energy. He's upbeat. And I think the rub off factor on his players and particularly on Gino has made all the difference in the world. And you see it. He was terrible with the Jets. He is a more than serviceable quarterback right now.


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[Assistant] I think the 12th man could be the difference too, because you're back up quarterback, you're gonna try communicating at the line, uh, the crowd's gonna know what they're dealing with and they're gonna be extra loud. Uh, Corbin, our producer, McNuggets, has a question for you before we let you go. Go ahead, Mike.


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[Assistant] I know it's a road. They can. I will say this, a little bit, not a lot, a little bit of the shine.


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[Assistant] Right now, he's a Pro Bowl kicker. In my mind, he's a Pro Bowl kicker.


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[Assistant] He missed a kick that would have beat the Colts. Well, but how many, how many has he missed? I, I don't know. I think he's missed at least one cause. Well Hopkins has missed two. He missed one again. I know, but he's also six for six beyond 50.


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[Assistant] I mean, we looked at Nick Chubb as irreplaceable.


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[Assistant] If there's gonna be somebody outside of Christian McCaffrey that can pick up his slack.


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[Assistant] It's Derrick Henry. Yeah. And if you get Derrick Henry, you just pay his salary for the remainder of this. I just read an article. Come on.


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[Assistant] He's got a good defense. Norolds has a good defense also. I'd be on the phone with Tennessee right now. Yeah. What does it take? Yes.


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[Assistant] I don't know. Brad Sellers is in studio because we're psyched that he's going to join us for the last half hour for Cav Talk. They opened the season tonight. I just looked at Brad and I'm going to give you his look. We became pros at reading Brad's looks. Here was his look.


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[Assistant] These businessmen, they have no loyalty. None. They just want money. None. They want money and power. That's it. Come on, Jimmy. We need you.


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[Assistant] That the women's Final Four is in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] And correct me if I'm wrong, in my eyes is as hot as it's ever been.


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[Assistant] I think it would be fitting if uhm, when, if, if Maryland makes the final four. I know that often times they get the court to work out, but also it's not always available. If they're looking for a court to go through practice.


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[Assistant] The pro game for the women is feeding off the energy of the women's college game.


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[Assistant] Because fans were more exposed to the women's final four last year than ever before. And I think they've realized the fundamentals are there, the quality of play is there, and it's entertaining. The WNBA finals were wildly entertaining.


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[Assistant] Mikey's gonna do, we gotta turn the page to the Cavs. They opened the season and we're excited about that, obviously, as much as we were disappointed at how last year ended. It's funny how you just kinda forget about that and you're ready to turn the page and they're gonna start doing that tonight. Mikey, how are we gonna dive into our Cavs talk? What's on the agenda?


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[Assistant] But is this shooting enough because they were woefully bad at shooting the three last year?


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[Assistant] Can you give us any insight on things he's done in the offseason? Things that he tried to add to his repertoire? Like why, why do you believe he's ready?


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[Assistant] Because that's my biggest question. You can go into the weight room, you can work on your footwork and some low post moves, but it's ultimately, it needs to be in here and I don't know that it's there.


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[Assistant] Okay, that's not a ringing endorsement. Well, we'll be in this thing in a couple of weeks. No, I know, but like, you haven't seen any missteps? No! Everything has been...


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[Assistant] So if that's his high end, what can he be this year? Because G has the highest expectations for him.


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[Assistant] Because I think if they don't win a series, I think you're starting to ask questions now, okay, which of these pieces doesn't fit. And by the way, Donovan is probably a rental player now.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, so, officially, Dr. Innocent Majoku, but my friends, family, everybody calls me N.O.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, yeaah. So, Nujoku Strong is a, a fitness company, fitness program, but it sort of evolved to be more than just fitness, you know.


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[Assistant] I decided to go with that, that, that brand. The joke was strong to represent strength from all aspects of life. You know, physical, emotional, mental, cause we all got a story, you know what I mean? But from a physical, from a fitness standpoint, we took a concept that's been around for about 30 years. Uhm, that concept is electrical muscle stimulation.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I'm fairly certain back in the day when Lebron was playing for the Cavs, he used to use this form of technology quite often, but back then it was so basic and rudimentary, you know, essentially what they normally would have you do is


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[Assistant] Get on a stationary bike and pedal, you know, and they connect these electrodes on you, covering majority of your body's musculature. And while you're pedaling, while you're burning calories, in your own right.


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[Assistant] For the most part, it covers, it covers, I would say 80-90% of the total.


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[Assistant] Similar concept, uhm, so with what you're describing, the TENS unit, it's typically used for chronic pain and similar mechanism.


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[Assistant] It's tricking the brain. It's masking the pain more or less.


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[Assistant] EMS is similar, but the difference is it uses a bit more of a stimulation to really engage. More power. Yea, exactly. To really engage that deep musculature.


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[Assistant] And the beauty about all this, and again, this has been well studied, it's been around for 30 years, well published. Uhm, the beauty about this is that you can...


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[Assistant] Elevate, amplify, almost enhance your workout for a fraction of the time. You get maximum results for a fraction of the time. So, you know, over the last couple of years, you know, working with my brothers, and David obviously is one of them, but I also have two younger brothers who are, uhm,


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[Assistant] We've gone through things, you know, we've seen things in life, you know, practicing neurosurgery for several years.


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[Assistant] I've seen a lot too, and one of the one commonality that we all recognize is that, you know, despite what life throws at you, whether that's, you know, physical debilitation, you know, emotional, challenge, mental,


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[Assistant] As long as you have the right people around you, and you're determined to get through it, you know, you can, you can rise above it. And that's why we call them the Joker Strong. So, you know, tangibly, it's the suit. It's the ability to use the technology, it's the ability to lock in, in that 20 minute time, and get the most out of that from a physical standpoint.


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[Assistant] I'm getting tired of this. Where are you doing this? We're over, we're based right now over at a sand fitness and spa which is over at the key tower. Uhm, the Marriott, Jason to the key tower. Uhm, but we're already thinking of the next step. We would like to see this, you know, all over the country.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so that's a good friend of mine. He's an attorney here locally in Cleveland. Really busy schedule. Barely has time to leave the office. He likes to stay in shape as a young guy, active. And he came to me, you know, looking to try this out. In 15 minutes, he probably burnt damn urine.


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[Assistant] 800, 900 calories. He was spent. I don't know if you got the clip, the volume up in this. You can play this if you can.


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[Assistant] It does. We've seen some phenomenal results, even though we've only been operational now in Cleveland for about four weeks. We had one guy come in, 75 year old gentleman, retired software engineer.


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[Assistant] Everything you're describing. You know, the one thing about life is that...


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[Assistant] You know, we only have a finite period of time to be on this earth, leave an impact, and maximize our health, wellness, all aspects, right? So this gentleman approached us in the studio, and uh, you know, he was trying to, very much what you're saying, trying to take his fitness, health, fitness, you know, journey to the next level.


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[Assistant] Uh, we got him in the suit, 15-20 minutes, had the best workout of his life, a week later, saw immediate results, felt a little, felt toned, had more energy. It's a phenomenal program and I invite everybody, anybody who's interested to come check it out.


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[Assistant] The whole, the whole, the whole incident around that, that entire two day week span was very, very intense. It was scary, but thank God everything worked out okay. And then he's out there playing football two days later. That's that new joke with strong mentality.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so uhm, you could do one of two things. Because the technology is, uh, does involve altering your body's natural physiology, right? We're essentially stimulating your muscles to contract. It's best done under professional supervision, just to avoid any


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[Assistant] So you come into the studio, uhm, there's a little bit of a, an onboarding process we like to do. We get to know our clients, get to know our people. We're trying to build a community around this. People believe and are passionate about their health fitness and that mentality state we were just talking about. Uhm, once you get into the studio, you get suited up. 20 minutes later is the equivalent of about a 2 hour workout.


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[Assistant] Uhm, as we grow and as we expand, we're looking to roll out membership services.


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[Assistant] You know, essentially having locations in almost, you know, almost every major city in the country. But people again can come together under that same umbrella of health, fitness, time, value, the joku show mentality. And uh, once we do, once we are able to hold a membership, then it'll be open up, it'll be open to as many times as you, you know, you can handle it per week, so.


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[Assistant] And you don't need to. That's the beauty about it, right? So, doing it for 20 minutes is the equivalent of working out for 2 hours, more or less, yeaah?


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[Assistant] I like to tell my clients about one to two times a week, if you're really trying to push the bar no more than three times a week, you have to give your body the appropriate time it needs to recover, rest. You've got to think of yourself as an athlete, right? They spend 50% of their time training and the training is intense. The other 50% of their time they're taking care of their body.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, it's a couple of blocks down from here over at Key Tower at Sam Fitness and Spa.


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[Assistant] That's crazy. Yeaah, it's hot now. Big ass. Gotta win this game, you want to win the division.


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[Assistant] And once again, I want to repeat that our politicians have continued to let our veterans down. They are not taken care of well enough. They, they go and fight for the freedoms we all have and take for granted. And our politicians have not often failed to do right by them. It's a continuing problem in this country and it's despicable.


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[Assistant] I do agree that a large percentage of fanbase that have interacted with me in social media, you know, who knows how accurate that is with the overall fanbase.


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[Assistant] Is very confident going into this game. Uh, and you know, listen, there's reason to have some confidence, but there's also a reason why the Ravens are nearly a touchdown favorite in this game because the Ravens have have


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[Assistant] Played better overall. They have a better quarterback. They're the class of the AFC. And right now they've played better than anybody, not to mention something that I think gets overrated.


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[Assistant] But I'll s- but still, the Ravens have had the Browns' number. Something we've talked about with the Bengals and Browns the opposite way. Right. But, uh, the Ravens have had their number and they're at home. Now I do kinda throw away the first meeting to some degree because


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[Assistant] You know, that was DTR, it was his first game, it was unexpected he was gonna play. I think everybody was kinda out of sorts. That again, if the Browns get their ass kicked in this game...


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[Assistant] I'll be back. Well, maybe that game did mean more than I thought it meant. Listen, I think the Browns could certainly win this game. I think they're going into this game very confident as a team.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, I'll admit now I did pick the Browns to win this game, but I don't feel confident. I was kind of right on the, on the, on the fence on it. And since you can't be on the fence, I went with a close game.


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[Assistant] The Browns' best chance of winning is with the defense, but this is a huge game. There's no doubt about it, because it feels like these are the games, whenever the Browns have given you hope, that they always lose.


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[Assistant] This week, right now. Biggest underdog of the year. The Giants are a 17 point underdog to the Cowboys. See, we have some really bad teams this year.


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[Assistant] No, that's true, but I'm not expecting the Ravens to score that many points because I'm expecting the Browns defense to play a whole lot better than they did in that game. I think everybody was affected by the fact that they had DTR playing and nobody expected it until we talked about this. You know, I think it affected the whole team and when the offense is terrible,


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[Assistant] As it has been for much of the season, that wears on the defense. There's no doubt it factors in.


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[Assistant] Right, and that's why the Browns offense has to be better. It was good in the second half last week. It's gotta be good again this week. You can't, you know, be totally inept on offense and win no matter how good your defense is. Right. But I'm expecting, maybe I'm being too optimistic, some progress off of what we saw last week. Obviously this opponent's a different weight class.


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[Assistant] Over if the Browns lose this game. I think division is probably out of reach. Probably out of reach. But I, listen.


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[Assistant] Like you said, most people around the country are expecting the Browns to lose. Uh, you know, I'm expecting them not, at the very least, to not get blown out. Right. But if the Browns lose some hard-fought game that's close, I'm not gonna come kill them the next day. No, no, not at all.


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[Assistant] This is not college football where if like Purdue beats Ohio State, your mind is blown. Sure. I mean yeaah, I'd be shocked if the Giants beat the Cowboys this week as a 17 coin underdog.


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[Assistant] I don't know what the percentage is, but I'm guessing it's 30% at least. Wow, I would think that would be fun. Somebody's done the research on that.


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[Assistant] No, yeah, I mean, they got, I think if they go one on one in the next two, they're fine in terms of making the playoffs. They're still in the hunt. They go on two, they're probably not making it. They go two and oh, it's in the bag, pretty much.


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[Assistant] So, you know, the Browns two toughest games left on the schedule is this game and the last week of the year at Cincinnati. That's the two toughest games. The next best team you play is


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[Assistant] You know, Pittsburgh or Jacksonville. Those games are both at home. You know, Houston's a decent team. Uh, but that's also, I think, at home. Uh, I can't remember if the...


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[Assistant] That's not the 17th, the Texans are not the 17th, the added 17th game.


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[Assistant] They do that. It's definitely weird. Definitely uncommon. Still, the bottom line is this game and at Cincinnati Week 18 are the two toughest games left on their schedule. So everything else is very winnable. Yeah, everything else is very winnable. The Browns will be either a very slight underdog or a favorite in all the rest of their games.


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[Assistant] And so, you know, this, this is an opportunity for, we, we often have a lot of fans who complain that the Browns don't get any credit nationally. Well, you don't get, you don't get a ton of credit for being five and three.


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[Assistant] If the Browns win this game this week, they're going to get more notice nationally for those who complain about it. It's going to be a big deal because if they win, now you're six and three, the Ravens are seven and three, you're only a half game back.


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[Assistant] You think about tie... Man, because you've split, you're still around. Right, and I think, I believe the Browns would technically have the tiebreaker, even though they're not tied. Right. Because I think the next tiebreaker is division, which they'd be tied.


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[Assistant] And then after that, it's conference, which they would browse would have a better conference record if they win this game. So you go from being right there to being out of the almost out of the division. That's how big this game is.


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[Assistant] For just, if you wanna win, and the Browns haven't won the division in forever!


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[Assistant] Listen, I didn't give Baker a pass, I didn't give Burrow a pass, I'm not giving Watson a pass.


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[Assistant] Sam, uh, Miles Garrett was on a podcast with Kay Adams, formerly of NFL Network. I don't know if you saw any of this, but he, uhm,


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[Assistant] She asked him who's the better quarterback, Joe Burrow or Lamar Jackson.


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[Assistant] And I was a little surprised he answered, because, you know, look, I mean, obviously he said Joe Burrow, I don't know how there's any real debate there, but, but, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, the Ravens and Lamar could use that as bulletin board material. Are you surprised? I mean, I love that he answered it, but are you surprised that he did?


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[Assistant] Yeah, we talk about Baltimore material.


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[Assistant] Right now, Miles Garrett is at like a level that most human beings can't reach. Like he, he's afraid of nothing. He thinks he's the greatest player in the NFL and he might be. Like he's just on a different level. He don't care. He'll say anything right now, I feel like, and I love it because he's got no worries. That's how it feels to me, Tim. I don't know about you.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And then Howard Baugh started to walk off and Schwartz said, you were studying our plays. You were looking at our plays beforehand.


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[Assistant] The Steelers are like Russia and the Ravens are North Korea, I think. That is, yeaah? They're a newer enemy, but they're very evil.


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[Assistant] See, I think you've not been very clear on what the assignment is. Is it the ten best players? Okay, then no position should take authority over another.


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[Assistant] No, I'm not, I was perceiving you guys making mistakes. That was really a knock at you two and not at Mike because you guys didn't put the kickers on your list and both kickers


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[Assistant] I mean, the Ravens were a middling defense last year.


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[Assistant] They traded for him and since they've traded for him, if you go back to last year through now, they're the best defensive football.


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[Assistant] But Mark Andrews to me is a better tight end than Amari Cooper is a wide receiver.


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[Assistant] I just don't think Patrick Queen's been that great. He's been good. Wow.


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[Assistant] J.O.K. has a better P.F.F. grade. P.F.F.'s dead to me.


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[Assistant] I would say either away from the Ravens, Grant Delpit, or Lindemann, the center.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's not like he's having a great, you know, monster rookie season. I don't know what he's having, but. He's on pace for about a thousand yards. That's nice.


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[Assistant] You know, if you were doing a Pro Bowl, if you were picking Pro Bowlers today, based on half the season, you'd have a decent amount of players from both teams.


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[Assistant] Both centers are top five centers, you know, but who, you know, whatever.


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[Assistant] What's crazy about Algier, before we get to Ford, is that they drafted Bijon Robinson, what? Eighth overall, and they're using Algier more!


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[Assistant] I mean really my only, I obviously have, you know, been big time on board with Kevin Stavanski this year as you know. My only complaint about Kevin Stavanski on offense, my only one, is that I think he uses Jerome Ford too much.


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[Assistant] I get it. Kareem Hunt's not a home run hitter at this point in his career. But we don't know about Pierre Strong. He ran a great 40 time. We all like what we saw from him a couple of weeks ago. Let's go!


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[Assistant] I wish you were right, but I don't believe that. I think it's more about getting the ball to David Najoku and the running backs.


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[Assistant] That's a fascinating stat, Mike. You did a great job with that one. That is a great one. Another great one. I mean, cause, who would, that's crazy. I'm trying to think about what that means. Why are the Ravens so good? And I guess because they have so much team speed on defense.


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[Assistant] That maybe when things are breaking down at the end and all of a sudden that corner of his eye, the corner, the quarterbacks like, oh, I got somebody and the plays broken down, but the Ravens can make up that ground on defense better than most of us can.


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[Assistant] I mean, the book on him was, you get him under pressure, he's gonna make a mistake.


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[Assistant] It's always been the book on him. That's why you never trusted him in a big spot. But so far this year, like you said, it's been the opposite. Yeah. I think you got to give Todd Monk in the OC some credit. But I think a lot of it goes to Lamar. I mean, and his progression as a player, no doubt. He's done a great job.


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[Assistant] And he basically said, it's the NFL. Like, if I have to go out there Sunday with no practice, then that's what I'll do. Now we've seen that he did go through yesterday, throwing the ball a little bit harder today, and I'll go back to what I said during the YouTube show and what I've said all week.


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[Assistant] He made it clear on Wednesday, if I can control the, if I can't control the ball, I'm not good to anyone out there. But if he can control it, if he knows where it's gonna go, if he can get it where it needs to go, he's gonna play. And it sounds like it's training that way. We'll see how he feels tomorrow. If he goes through a full practice today, see how the shoulder responds tomorrow. If he's good to go, I think


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[Assistant] We've got all the reps on Wednesday for whatever that's worth. Right. Because Deshaun set out practice Wednesday, so it's not like he'd be coming in cold. I'm sure he'll take some of the reps today. Again, the media only sees the first 10 to 15 minutes of practice. I'm sure PJ got reps yesterday and we'll get reps today.


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[Assistant] Richardson has a higher ceiling. To me, Minshew has a higher floor and you don't know what you're going to get out of a rookie. The Browns could get after the quarterback. They're going to generate heat.


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[Assistant] If I'm the Browns, I actually, I think I'd rather see Richardson than Minshew. I think Minshew gives the Colts a better chance to win right now. I know why they're playing or why they were playing Richardson is for the long-term development and get them the reps now. They're not really trying to win right now, but in terms of a single game focus, I actually think Minshew gives them a better chance to win than Richardson.


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[Assistant] I'm going Jerome Ford because he finally showed some signs of life last week in the second half against the Niners. The Browns run game has not been good. I'm on record. I think they're gonna have to do something at the trade deadline.


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[Assistant] I don't think Kareem Hunt's the answer and I don't think Jerome Ford's the answer in terms of an every down back, but he did get a little bit of momentum the second half last week and I want to see if that can translate and carry over and maybe start to put to question, put to bed some of the questions about this Brown's running attack.


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[Assistant] He should have had it when he stepped out of bounds, he probably goes over 100. He should have had it, he was wide open in the middle of the field, and they just didn't see him. Right, right.


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[Assistant] If Deshaun, well they were thrown right away. If Deshaun plays, they're going to throw it.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Jason? Well, if you watch us on the YouTube show, you know we got a little bit of a saying. Greg Newsome, interceptions aren't really his thing.


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[Assistant] And I realized I just contradicted myself because I took the Browns to score more than 23 points in the Fence Riders. And I just gave him 21 in the headline. Either way, I win. Well, for Fence Riders,


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[Assistant] Jake Rudin got offended when I, I said to him, cause he does like, uh, he picks games with his son who does the podcast and these other guys. And I was like, who's winning?


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[Assistant] And he's like, he was like kinda pissed that I asked him that. Like, of course I'm winning. I know the most about football. Oh wow. So he was, there you go.


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[Assistant] Earl the Pro can't even fi- he's tough to starters off his fantasy. Earl, Earl, Mike. Oh he can't run, he can't go on a tangent. By the way, the Browns three point, uh, underdog still on FanDuel. Sorry Mike, go ahead.


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[Assistant] Well that's, I mean, Kirk Cousins is now out the window because the Vikings, they beat the Niners, they've won two in a row now.


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[Assistant] I thought they would definitely lose. I thought they'd be two and five and ready to sell. At three and four, they can't sell, especially off a win off the Niners. They're not going to trade their quarterback, who probably doesn't want to be traded anyway. Uh, so I would take it. I had it as a nine, I think.


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[Assistant] But, uh, because Kirk Cousins is the only difference maker the Browns could get at quarterback. But unfortunately, with the Vikings winning yesterday, they're the eighth seed in the AFC, which means they're just one spot out of the playoffs.


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[Assistant] I mean, they're only two games back in Detroit. That win changes it. You know, two weeks ago they were one and four and now they're three and four. So I don't think he's going to, he obviously wasn't likely to get traded anyway, but now it's off the table. But had it, had it still been on the table and by some reason it still is, it's a nine.


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[Assistant] Uh, because he's a good NFL quarterback and he is the only good NFL quarterback that I could have seen any possibility of the Browns getting. I agree.


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[Assistant] Mac Jones, Zach Wilson, Daniel Jones, Bryce Young, and Desmond Ritter. That's the list. According to BFF.


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[Assistant] Last thing, my only beef with Andrew Barry, I don't care that he traded Josh Dobbs, because I don't think, personally, I don't think he's really any better than PJ Walker, not much, if any. But, what my problem is, the second Watson got hurt, they should have addressed it with a better veteran. The second he got hurt, at that point.


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[Assistant] I think I gave Andy Dalton a five. But these, because I'm not on the same meter as these. Based on their meters, I give Andy Dalton a nine. You gotta do excitement. Like to me. You gotta factor excitement.


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[Assistant] To me, the two best options for the Browns are Brissette and Dalton.


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[Assistant] Uh, and I look at Andy Dalton now. His playoff record, like Kirk Cousins' playoff record, is poor.


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[Assistant] He throws to a good completion percentage. Yeaah. And he's not overly turnover prone. He's had a couple of years where the turnovers were out of whack. But most of his career, he has not been bad in terms of turnovers.


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[Assistant] He has a 2 to 1 touchdown and interception ratio for as long as he's played, that's pretty good for a, you know, a decent quarterback. He's old, yeaah, he's gonna turn 36 I think next week. Right. But he played earlier this year for Carolina through like 50 passes and played a decent game. Right. I still think, I think he's the best quarter, I think he's better than Brissette.


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[Assistant] But because Berset was here, I think it kinda evens it up. The familiarity factor. So it would be a toss up between the two, but I would like, and plus Andy Dalton, he knows his division, obviously.


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[Assistant] And here's the thing with Dalton and Brachette as compared to, and some of these other guys, but we met, I don't know if Ryan Tannehill's coming up or whatever, but like Dalton and Brachette have started enough games, especially Dalton, but they know who they are now. Sure, yeaah. Brachette knows, and Dalton knows he's a bad guy. Dalton's not gonna go out there and try to play hero ball. No, no, no.


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[Assistant] Well they needed it to trade up for the quarterback who hasn't been good so far.


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[Assistant] I just don't see, even though they have Trey Lance, Dallas is trying to win the Super Bowl, they're not going to trade. If they're using Cooper Rush as their backup now, which they are, I think they look at Lance as the future backup, maybe even a future starter. But for this year, I still think Cooper Rush is their backup. They're trying to win and get to the playoffs, I don't think they're going to trade Cooper.


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[Assistant] Was he a free agent? He's not going out. He's retired. No, but I'm saying, had he been, like, he didn't get out of his contract early with Tampa, right? He was gone. I don't think so. No, his contract had officially expired. So he could, in theory, just sign with anybody.


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[Assistant] By the way, you know what would happen, right, if that happened? No. Is that Tom Brady would finally go off the cliff. In terms of plan.


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[Assistant] There are teams that have that. There are. There are. But in general, it used to be all of the teams. I know, but nowadays... They change teams because of money. Right. Well, and guys want to play. If they're any good as a backup, they want to get a chance to play. I don't blame them. For the most part...


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[Assistant] Again, there's a reason why a guy this talented is still out in the free agent market.


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[Assistant] G. Bush is the only person I know besides PFF that watches every single play. You thought he played much? Did you watch Dewan on every single play? He played okay.


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[Assistant] But gee, in the end, you like, you use PFF all the time. I do. Right? You've been, on your show, on The Barber Shop, you've been interviewing, what's his name, John Costco for years. Yeah. Okay? Yeah. Like, nothing's a perfect science. So, for people to just crap all over the work these guys do,


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[Assistant] They have, the situation's been botched. They've not been on the same page the entire time. There's been mixed messages at least four or five times between Stefanski and Watson or Berry and Watson.


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[Assistant] We can't play this game. They played this- I know it's a totally different injury, but they played this same stupid game with Baker.


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[Assistant] And it blew up in their face. And now they're playing the same game with Watson. He's clearly not ready to play. The idea that he's going to play in Seattle is stupid. It makes no sense and you can't keep going with PJ Walker. It's unsustainable to keep winning games with PJ Walker. Now ultimately there's no quarterback they can get.


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[Assistant] I think that can, they're gonna be able to win a Super Bowl with, but.


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[Assistant] I don't know, but they've gotta do something. They cannot stick with PJ Walker if, first of all, what do you think? Am I being unfair in essentially crucifying the Browns and how they've handled this situation as a whole?


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[Assistant] Mary Kay, I got a huge beef with Kevin's and I have been a starch defender. Starch even makes sense. Starch. Starch. How the hell am I coming up with starch?


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[Assistant] I've been a staunch defender of Kevin Stefanski, and I think overall he's done a very good job as head coach. But, if he cannot adjust an offense...


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[Assistant] The Baltimore Ravens had Joe Flacco as their starter and in the middle of the season changed to Lamar Jackson. There can be no bigger difference in styles.


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[Assistant] And he, and he's not like Watson, he doesn't run much.


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[Assistant] That's ridiculous to me if the coach can't adjust in season.


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[Assistant] You know, when you look at wide receivers and running backs, you look at, uh, Denver as Jerry Judy, Denver also as Sanjay Perine, who might be a nice third down back for the Browns, uh, Arizona with Marquise Brown could be an interesting speed receiver.


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[Assistant] I think even Jacksonville with our old buddy D'Ernest Johnson, he's their third running back there in Jacksonville. I think those are all guys that could potentially, none of those are.


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[Assistant] You know, superstars or anything. I, you know, but those are guys who all can help the team. Do those, some of those names make sense?


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[Assistant] Are they going to get a sixth round pick or a seventh round pick? You'd be surprised.


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[Assistant] I mean Kevin Byer just got traded. He's an all-pro. He got just traded for nothing to Philadelphia yesterday.


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[Assistant] They've drafted a wide receiver in the third round. Anthony Schwartz was a bust, he's already gone. David Bell in a year and change has had virtually no impact.


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[Assistant] And Shedrick Tillman hasn't played at all to this point. It's too early, but.


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[Assistant] Right now, I mean, at the moment, all three look like terrible misses. Why do they have no ability to judge wide receivers? Because they've done a terrible job with wide receivers.


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[Assistant] And while I agree with that, the bottom line though has been that David Bell


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[Assistant] Last year, and again so far this year, to some degree, and certainly Cedric Filman this year, they ain't not even getting on the field.


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[Assistant] So, I don't know that they get a full pass. Yeah, I'll give Elijah Moore and DPJ somewhat of a pass for the bad quarterback play because they've been on the field. But these guys barely are ever on the field. Cedric Tillman's not on the field at all. So they can't even beat some of these other guys, Alpha Reps. That's concerning.


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[Assistant] By the way, I was curious, because Mary Kay said, well, third round, wide receivers, you know, how do they do? So I was kind of looking at it. So last year, she's right, in 2022, including David Bell, there were four wide receivers drafted in the third round. All four have been non-fact.


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[Assistant] I can't even remember offhand, I'll get back to it. But, this year in the third round, the first wide wrist, now, the first two guys were drafted before Cedric Tillman, to be fair.


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[Assistant] The third wide receiver taken in that draft, or in that round was Cedric Tillman. Uh, after Cedric Tillman, the next wide receiver in the third round this year, Josh Downs. We just saw a big game for Indianapolis.


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[Assistant] But in fairness, Nico didn't really break out till this year.


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[Assistant] I know when Cubs first game back, N'Kooa still played well in the second game last week. He didn't do much, and then this week he bounced back again. The Browns have never had receivers. So he was damn near 6.5. It is really amazing. 177th overall. O'Dale and Jarvis.


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[Assistant] Now again, we can't write off Cedric Tillman yet. Mary Kay's right. I mean he's, it's a couple of games into his career. And even like, to your point though, it's perfect.


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[Assistant] But they showed signs at least by last year and year two. For Cedric Tilghman, David Bell's almost, like, David Bell we're middle of year two.


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[Assistant] That's better than Anthony Schwartz. Anthony Schwartz was a zero, David Bell is like a 1.2. That's fair. I can't argue with that.


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[Assistant] Yes. And they gave up after the one season. I don't understand.


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[Assistant] They can't, you know, otherwise they'll win some regular seasons games where you can't win in the playoff. We'll find out this year. That's the only hope for the Browns. You're right. Is if we can win the playoffs with a great defense and adequate, they can't have this quarterback. No, this isn't going to get done. Go ahead, Mike.


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[Assistant] Jay, what do you think about the fact that I brought this up, I think it was yesterday or the day before. It seems like, you know, back in the day, guys played a lot in training camp, guys played a lot in the preseason. As we go on now, and I feel like the last two years, it's really gone extreme.


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[Assistant] The, the top quarterbacks and a lot of the top skilled position players either play very little or not at all. Is that a factor early in the season?


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[Assistant] I'm curious, I wasn't going to admit this, but I'm going to do it now because it's important with this question. We're actually recording this before the Sunday game where the Browns play this weekend.


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[Assistant] You know, through five games so far, the Browns defense has been phenomenal. They, they were awful last year on defense. Obviously they upgraded the talent on the defensive line. Much of the back seven is the same guys from last year. How much of the credit for this defense so far do you give to Jim Schwartz? Cause it seems like he's done a magnificent job.


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[Assistant] Lamar Jackson is the only one, well the Ravens are the only team that's had any success against the Browns defense so far. Now that was a game where we thought Watson was going to play to the last minute, the last second, it was DTR and he clearly wasn't ready to play.


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[Assistant] Uh, do you think there's something to Lamar Jackson's ability to run is, you know, obviously better than any other quarterback that affected the bronze defense or was it, is it more coincidence and, you know, the team was expecting Watson to play, so maybe the whole team was affected by that or is that just an excuse that we would make?


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[Assistant] We've talked about the possibility of the Browns going after a better veteran backup considering Deshaun Watson has his injuries dealing with.


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[Assistant] You know, obviously PJ Walker's been in the league, he's played a little bit, but he's not a guy you can't win in the playoffs, I don't think, with him. I, well, I, you know, there's been some talk about Kirk Cousins, you know, but he's got a no trade clause, so I don't know if that's gonna happen.


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[Assistant] I suggested Andy Dalton. Obviously you know Andy Dalton. Do you still, is he, like, it's felt like for the last decade you had to have a great quarterback to win a Super Bowl. If the Browns do have this all-time great defense, they gotta prove it for a lot longer, maybe they can win with a mid-tier quarterback. Is Andy Dalton still capable of being a mid-tier quarterback? Can I rewind one second?


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[Assistant] Nick Chubb obviously that injury was devastating for the Browns, one of the best backs. As someone who's coaching on the other side, what did you think of Nick Chubb?


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[Assistant] How much do coaches, when they're making a decision to go for it on fourth down, uh, kick a field goal as opposed to try to go for a touchdown? How, how, how, is gut, I mean, gut's still a big part of the game, obviously, even with all the information you have. Are there coaches that rely too much on the numbers and don't use their


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[Assistant] I don't know, it seems to be a big hubbub right now in the league, I don't get it. A bunch of whiners.


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[Assistant] If you, if you make a decision on fourth down, kicking it with all that stuff, and then if, if it blows up in your face, even if it was probably the right call, but it didn't go well, you know, and then you're going to be criticized by the fans, you're going to be criticized by the media. Are there coaches that care about that stuff? Because to me, you can't be, but there probably are some coaches that are affected by that stuff.


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[Assistant] Mike, I know you got a couple questions, but I want to see this real quick. What football movie or television show have you seen that is closest to real football?


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[Assistant] All the young offensive coaches in the league all call their own plays. I mean, almost without exception. Do you think that's a good idea? Like, it's been a, every time the Browns have a bad offensive game, the fans scream, he should stop calling plays, let his offensive coordinator call the plays. What's your thoughts on that?


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[Assistant] Barbecue spot in uh, right on the Lakewood Cleveland border that I'm looking forward to trying. Heard good things about it. I have not been able to find good barbecue in Cleveland. It's the one thing missing from my Cleveland resume. What?


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[Assistant] I can, but that's a lot. Yeaah. 39. Well, you've been married 39 years? 37.


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[Assistant] I'll tell a funny story on overtime by the way real quick about, uh, something that happened when I was supervising kids at my son's show yesterday.


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[Assistant] Plus, ba-da-da-da-da, you're loving him. Mikey McNuggets.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Anything could be an upgrade over what they have right now, frankly. I know you say Hunt's got three wheels.


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[Assistant] I talked to Diana Rustini, works with us at The Athletic, asked Diana if she would reach out to Washington. Very plugged in to Washington, by the way she is. And she said, I already have, and Browns haven't called.


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[Assistant] So that tells me Brissette's not happening. And I wrote that the other day. If you're gonna make the Jacobi move, you make it now. Like you call him Sunday night Monday, you get him here Tuesday, passive physical, get on the practice field Wednesday, he plays Sunday. That's the, that's the beauty of Jacobi.


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[Assistant] But the fact that they haven't called yet tells me they're not going to. And they're, they're gonna roll with what they've got.


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[Assistant] But they should know that already. There's nothing that should happen on that field Sunday that should sway you one way or the other. You know it. Now the hope is, and I mentioned this before we start on the show,


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[Assistant] You know, PJ's had I think four practices prior to this week. He had the full week of San Francisco, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.


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[Assistant] And he had Wednesday last week before Deshaun came back Thursday, Friday. So he's had four practices essentially. And now with a full week this week, you know, maybe he could be incrementally better, but you know what he is. There's, there's, there should be nothing that happens on that field Sunday that says, Oh my God, can you


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[Assistant] So what's another couple of weeks gonna do? Well, it's a four to six week injury and he said yesterday that's just a framework that doesn't mean that's necessarily the case. The only way that this makes sense to me is if you believe he's coming back for Baltimore.


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[Assistant] And if, and then because you're four and two, you have two NFC opponents between now and then. If you feel like, hey, you know, if we go one and one on these, whatever, we can beat Arizona at home with PJ Walker.


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[Assistant] And we get him back for Baltimore. I just don't know how you can count on that. What have you seen that makes you think you can count on that and that he can survive if he does come back for Baltimore. What assurance do you have that he's going to be able to play the rest of the year?


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[Assistant] That takes that off the table. I just don't think they're gonna do it. Obviously they think, they feel he can be back within the four weeks, or they would. Well they thought that once and they were dead wrong. Well and like everyone wants to keep blaming Kevin and Andrew for this.


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[Assistant] It goes a little higher than that, guys. Like, there's someone else writing the checks who wants to see them out there, too. Oh, trust me. Trust me.


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[Assistant] He's not out of our bullseye. So I just, everyone says, I can't believe Kevin keeps running him out there. I can't keep Kevin, I can't believe Andrew wants to play him. Are you get, do you have some sort of information? No, no, not this time, but I know with Baker, it was all ownership. Sure. Ownership was one pushing him out there.


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[Assistant] I'm saying ownership wanted to play. I'm saying ownership wanted to see Baker on the field because they had to make a decision on whether or not to pay him, right? Like, and I've said that a hundred times. They had to decide what they were going to do with the contract. Are we going to pay this guy or not? And he got hurt in the second game of the season.


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[Assistant] It's really a worst case from the sense of, if it was a Nick Chubb injury, if he blew out his knee, had to have surgery, you know he's done for the year. Out of sight, out of mind. And now, okay, what do we do going forward? We know Deshawn's not an option.


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[Assistant] No, I don't think they feel that way because that's why they're protecting this 34 million that they have to roll over to next year. Where if, if you felt like this is it, then you just exhaust the 34 million now and then, you know.


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[Assistant] whatever happens next year and I think they're trying to be proactive and roll some of this over. But there are going to be...


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[Assistant] You know, I'll go back to what Burrow said, what Joe Burrow said. If I'm on the team, our window is open.


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[Assistant] And you have to feel that way if you're a franchise quarterback. Now obviously Deshaun hasn't really demonstrated that since he's been here.


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[Assistant] But you, you would like to say theoretically the window's three more years because Deshaun's under control for three more years, but I don't know realistically. And if he does at some point play back at the level we hope he does.


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't have any evidence to say yes that there is. I'm sure that there is.


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[Assistant] I said frustration a couple weeks ago and everyone went nuts. I'm sure from his vantage point, I'm sure there's a lot of frustration right now because he said yesterday, I worked my ass off to get back. I worked so hard to get back and now I have this injury. Right. You know, so I,


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[Assistant] I don't know that it's divided lines and it, it will, I watched it with Lebron and the Cavs. It does get to that point where there's a clear break.


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[Assistant] And they're over here and they're over here. He's unmovable though. No, he is. And I don't think it's at that point. I don't think.


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[Assistant] Maybe something changes. Maybe that answer changes in three months or six months. But yeaah, he's not going anywhere because of that contract. They can't. It's literally impossible to move him because of the dead cap hit right now if they did try to do something with him. So he's not going anywhere. If anything,


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[Assistant] You know, they're clearing out the brown side of it because he's going to be here, but I don't think it's at that point. I don't think it's, it's, it's, but I do think sort of what G was saying, he's had.


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[Assistant] And every time I say this, I preface it with, you know, some of his self-inflicted. Yes. But the, uh, the emotional that he's been through and the mental that he's been through the last couple of years.


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[Assistant] And then to be able to finally get back on the football field and do what you love and now to not play up to your standard and now to have this injury on top of it. And for the first time it is like, he was beloved at Clemson. He was beloved in the NFL and he went from that to public enemy number one. He is the number one villain in the NFL.


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[Assistant] He's already been through and everything that's now happening to him. It's a tough situation.


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[Assistant] He did. And it didn't work. Fail. He loves to be loved. He needed to be loved. It lasted for one year and he's like, I can't do this. And eventually he got it all back.


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[Assistant] We talked about that when, uh, Dewan made his first start. Wyatt was in his ear the whole game and it ended up affecting Wyatt's play at right guard. You can easily see the same.


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[Assistant] I did a drastic step back from Jed Wilson to James Hudson. I do. And, you know, I was the one screaming.


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[Assistant] Jed's average, Jed's average, and then he was absolutely horrible the first couple of games.


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[Assistant] He's not as bad as we make him out to be. He's not elite by any means, but I always thought he was average. And then he came out this year. I don't know what that was, the first couple of games. But the last couple of games is back to sort of that


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[Assistant] He had four practices that I can count prior to this week. He had the week of San Francisco three and he had last Wednesday before Deshaun came back Thursday, Friday. So he's had four practices. How much does practice matter?


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[Assistant] And a game week preparation when you're thrust into a situation like he was last week coming in early without a lot of reps as opposed to this week where you have Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. I'm not saying he's going to be Deshaun out there, but I wonder if we can see at least some sort of incremental improvement.


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[Assistant] I would take Petonio, but you know, it's a, it's obviously a step in the right direction. If Jed's practicing today, you would have to assume he's probably going to play. But we'll go back to what we said earlier. If he doesn't, that puts a lot of extra strain on Joel.


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[Assistant] Joel, I think has not quite been to the level that we've expected of him. At times this year, I'm like trying to keep from hiccuping.


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[Assistant] And they haven't had one all year. This has to be on the road in that environment. You have got to hold onto the ball and not turn it over.


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[Assistant] No, he took the three from them and they got three off the block. So that was the sixth swing. Yea, but didn't he have another, didn't he force two turnovers? He did.


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[Assistant] Miles was worth 13 points. By himself, he was worth 13 points.


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[Assistant] Hey, credit to him man, for putting in the work and for coming as far as he has, as fast as he has.


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[Assistant] The pass blocking obviously is there. He does it at a high level. He knows his assignments now. You know, we talked about how much Wyatt had to sort of babysit him early on. I don't notice that nearly as much during these games anymore. He's really come a long way. This, just project him out five years ago.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. And Emerson as well. He still has to get better in the run blocking, and maybe that's his size, you know, I don't know, but you would know. He's such a massive man and it's such a different run blocking to pass blocking. Pass blocking, he's there. Run blocking, he's gotta get better.


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[Assistant] 1989. Good job. I just saw that on social media this morning. Good job. So point B.


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[Assistant] That's it. Don't turn the ball over. Yeah. It's an NFC game. So the importance diminishes a little bit. It's not that big of a deal. If you lose this, it will kill you in the AFC in terms of tiebreakers and all that. And more importantly, this is the team that started to play with a little bit of a swagger and they've won the last two weeks, even though they haven't played at their best, but there's a confidence in there.


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[Assistant] That in the past it was always they're going to find a way to lose the game. Well, the players are starting to believe they're going to find a way to win the game.


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[Assistant] And yeaah, they got bailed out a little bit by the officials, but you know, I was talking to the guys in the locker room after the game and felt like we just beat San Francisco. Why can't we go to Seattle and win at Seattle? So do I personally, do I think they're going to win? No, I don't, but I don't think it's going to be a blowout. And certainly there's still reasons for optimism.


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[Assistant] I think it all depends on what part of the month they draw it from the tap. If it's early in the month, you're getting a lot of chlorine and the other things, fluoride, that they put in the water system.


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[Assistant] Uh, busy, busy show. Obviously we have the 30 minute show on WKYC.


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[Assistant] Uh, we'll talk about that. And if it is, how do you avoid the pitfalls of a trap game? I mean, they're coming off a big win. That's part one to a trap game.


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[Assistant] Or, looking ahead to a big game. And Seattle is gonna be big. They have to win that. It's out on the west coast. Uh, we'll get into all of that, but first, uh, our first hello of the day to Mikey McNuggets. Hi, Mikey.


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[Assistant] There is No Shave November, which, which benefits a really good cause. I did that a couple of years ago. Man, was that hard.


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[Assistant] I think we have to pick that fan's brain and he should give us a pick so our fans can try to get in on the winnings.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's get it going today. Deshaun Watson back at practice yesterday. I think for a lot of us, we got excited just to hear that he was back on the practice field throwing the football again.


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[Assistant] Based on what I saw, it will be a miracle if they put him out there. What did you see?


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[Assistant] And we're still on the, on the front. You did see video, right? What's that? We're going to drop some video of him throwing into the chat. There's some links in there. If you haven't seen it, go look. Yea, yea, yea. I mean, you saw it. Yea, yea.


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[Assistant] hit the ground in some ca of the receiver and it was look at the result of the pa throwing motion. That's n


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[Assistant] I think, uh, this was more about how he feels this morning.


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[Assistant] I think in the Browns minds, they knew he's not going against Indy. Again, there's no pressing need to play him at Indy. Now there becomes a pressing need to play him against Seattle if they lose Indy. But right now that's not the case. It's not house money because


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[Assistant] When you looked at the schedule when the season came out, you expected them to be at least three and two at this point. Some might have argued four and one. I had them three and two, that's exactly where they are.


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[Assistant] So I think this was more about how he feels when he wakes up today. What did he feel in the shoulder? Because I know what, I've had the injury and it wasn't a rotator cuff, it was a bicep tear and a labrum. You throw


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[Assistant] And then you see how you feel the next day. And that's gonna tell you, your body's gonna tell you, oh, it's okay. It doesn't feel nearly as bad as I thought it would. That would be a good sign. He's the only guy that knows that right now. Hopefully the media folks will find out later today exactly where he was when he woke up.


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[Assistant] A ball to a tight end on a fade or wide receiver and then he would throw one to Nijoku and then he would step out and PJ would come in. Then he would throw another ball on a fade. PJ would come in, take all those reps. So he was mixing in, but I don't think he was, I don't think it was a deal where he's stealing a lot of reps from


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[Assistant] Yeah, when you're playing teams that you should win, those are games you think you should win with your starter.


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[Assistant] No, but there's two parts to this, I think, guys. One is he says he feels ready.


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[Assistant] But that's not the green light. The green light comes in practice when the coaches see he's making all the throws we need him to make for us to win. And once you get both parts to that, he's back on the field. And I think short of having both parts of that, he sits.


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[Assistant] You know, now ask me on Monday or ask me at four o'clock on Tuesday.


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[Assistant] Now, you know, Bernie talked about yesterday too.


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[Assistant] It is the goal to make the playoffs and what you have travels in postseason. So normally you want to be home for as long as you can be in the postseason.


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[Assistant] What the Browns do travels well. Their defense, and it looks like right now the run game is the best part of their offense. Even, we never thought we would think that without Nick Chubb, but it certainly isn't the passing game when you've got one wide receiver touchdown catch all year.


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[Assistant] We're gonna talk about the Colts running game in a second, but first McNuggets has a read, and then we'll talk about what I think is the strength of the Colts offense, and then it's their run.


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[Assistant] The conventional wisdom coming into the season was the Colts will have a good running game once Jonathan Taylor gets out on the field.


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[Assistant] And to everyone's surprise, they've had a good running game.


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[Assistant] Even before he came back from the injury, Zach Moss is second in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Uhm, how concerned are you if you're the Browns coming into this game with the Colts running attack?


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[Assistant] But not, not the games he normally has. No. No. Uh, I am now concerned because none of us are concerned. Right? And when we sat here last week and we talked about what we thought was gonna happen against the 49ers, we were all wrong. Except for G who did pick the Browns. Uhm, and so that kind of concerns me.


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[Assistant] They know that Cleveland knows they want to run the ball. So it's going to be good old fashioned. Our front against your front. Let's see who wins because that's their best hope. They can't put the ball in Gardner Minshew's hand and say throw it around the yard 40 times and let's see what happens. That won't end well.


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[Assistant] So I think they're gonna line up, they're gonna commit to the run, and the one thing that gives me pause, I wouldn't call it concern, but pause is exactly what you said.


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[Assistant] Now, when was the last time an NFL offense used two running backs to have a great deal of success against any defense? Ernest Biner and Kevin Mack. Thank you. That's exactly where I was going.


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[Assistant] There were 2,000 yard backs. I mean, it doesn't happen in today's modern game.


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[Assistant] They're half bad, but in our minds, that was the last time that a team had a one-two punch in the running game that really caused a little bit of consternation for defensive, uh, coordinators.


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[Assistant] No, I thought Jonathan Taylor was a one hit wonder off of his spectacular season. Yea, and he was coming off an injury, so like. Yea, but, but, he is, to G's point, he is a threat. I mean, if you give him daylight.


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[Assistant] This is gonna have to carry the team. There are 1-2 punches in the NFL, but they've got a passing game.


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[Assistant] The Colts do not. So I think what they're going to try to do is just wear the Browns defense down in the run. They can keep the legs fresh by alternating carries or, you know, splitting the carries. But in the end, I don't see it working. I don't see them having much success. The Browns offense is probably going to have to score twice. And I think if they do that,


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[Assistant] The Niners I think were three of twelve on third down. The Niners. Yeaah. So I mean, I would expect to see a whole lot of three and outs. Not a sustained drive. Nothing that, you know, is going to back the Browns defense up on their heels.


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[Assistant] I mean, we were surprised last Sunday, so it's the NFL and it's week to week and this is the same team with the same quarterback that beat the Ravens in Baltimore.


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[Assistant] Tim, when you suffered the injuries, were they from hits? Because we talked earlier about how pitchers get this all the time in baseball. They're obviously not getting hit. It's just from arm wear. Uhm, were yours both from collisions, hits, and not just overuse?


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[Assistant] That's one thing we can eliminate on the draw machine for the Browns this year. That's not gonna happen. Tim, we saw him throw at practice yesterday and it was what you would expect. Not a lot of arm velocity and I'm sure that was by design.


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[Assistant] They weren't going to let him go out there and rev it up to, you know, 8,000 RPMs right away. But everything seemed short. Nothing had zip on it. Was this a case, do you think, where they wanted him to go out and throw a little bit and then wait and see how he feels when he wakes up today?


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[Assistant] Tim, before we let you go, we gotta get your report card on PJ Walker because, you know, part of this is can this guy be the guy, the bridge, to get you until Deshaun is healthy again? What did you see from him? Is he a serviceable guy over the next three games or do they absolutely need to start thinking about bringing somebody else in?


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[Assistant] Tim, as we say goodbye because we were so good with our picks last week.


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[Assistant] I'd love to get your pick this week. Is this a victory for the Browns on Sunday?


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[Assistant] Alright, very good. Tim, thank you very much. We'll see you next week, man. Appreciate it. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. That's the mindset. I think, you know, let your defense and hopefully this is the game where they get a turnover and give the offense a short field and they can do something with it because we haven't seen that.


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[Assistant] I know you're not. But a punt is okay. Let's see another series. Bernie said yesterday, interceptions are worse than death.


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[Assistant] Is that you're gonna have to go over to Channel 3 to find out the latest information because we'll be on WKYC Channel 3 Cleveland.


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[Assistant] I think he would be questionable. And then a game time decision, but likely leaning towards not.


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[Assistant] Is it possible that it doesn't have to be an all or nothing thing? Is it possible where he says, you know, I feel pretty good, I think I can go, and they still decide to go with PJ, but PJ looks horrible through the first two quarters, and we see Deshaun play in the second half.


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[Assistant] I know, but remember it was Mary Kay's tweet a couple of weeks ago from Deshawn himself that made all of us say, wow, he's playing.


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[Assistant] When he said something interesting talking about his injury, he said eight, ten throws in a row, no problem.


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[Assistant] But it was the involuntary muscle twitch that you didn't know when that was gonna happen, that for him left the ball sailing.


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[Assistant] No, look, Indy went to Baltimore and beat him. I can't imagine the Ravens losing two straight home games, but stranger things have happened.


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[Assistant] Alright, very, very good. Alright, well, you just gave me some traffic.


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[Assistant] He should have at least 15 or 20 more yards on those sideline catches because if a ref could see right, right in front of his face and didn't call him out, he had at least another 10 to 15 yards and who knows, he might have made the one move that put him in the end zone.


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[Assistant] Guys used to be better at it. In my memory there used to be


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[Assistant] A lot of guys could do that, but now there's a lot of guys that, and you bring it up, a lot of guys now can't do that, and it seems like that should be one of


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[Assistant] Langhorn was one of the best. Bernie talked about that yesterday, but they had a lot of guys that could go up and make the catch and get those toes tapped in.


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[Assistant] Was it Santonio Holmes? Oh my God. That's one of the greatest. I think Marvin Harrison, we showed that catch he made last year where it looked like he was a contortionist. He's going to be the next great, I think in the NFL at that.


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[Assistant] But when you've got the skill cover corner that can lock the guy down, you can force him to the outside, use the edges as an extra defender, and to your point, catch it over the middle, but you're not getting much when


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[Assistant] All right. So when they go man, it's, you're cutting that in half. You're at 4.4. That's still impressive as hell.


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[Assistant] Yes he has. He came in the first game. I know Richardson got hurt in the first game. Yes.


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[Assistant] A buddy of mine who's not a Browns fan texted me because he said, is this a dub for you guys this week? I said, yeah. He goes, yeah, I've been reading a little bit of Cleveland media. You guys are awfully cocky with the guy who


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't like cocky with PJ Walker as the quarterback. I can be confident. Cocky is we've got this. I'm far from that. Brown should be cocky about anything.


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[Assistant] Here's the worst part about this. It's been win, lose, win, lose, win.


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[Assistant] You gotta string them together and there is no better time and really probably no better opportunity than right now. That's why I said it's a must win.


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[Assistant] But they, they lost at Pittsburgh. They were a favorite. Yes. And I'm guessing they were a favorite against the Ravens because that game was hard. No they weren't.


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[Assistant] He had a chance that Deshaun did to give Marquise Goodwin a lot of yards after catch on two throws and he missed.


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[Assistant] I think though, Jase, what are you thinking? Gee, I think it's more on the wide receivers than the quarterback. Combo. I need separate, obviously it's both, but if I'm going to point fingers, I know the quarterback play has been lousy, but


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[Assistant] My god, you've got to get separation. You think that once, if a guy gets one long catch and run, that changes all of that. We don't have that potential.


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[Assistant] I'm not going to say Patrick Mahomes because he throws guys open and he's just a better quarterback.


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[Assistant] This group with Tua, what, what are the numbers?


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[Assistant] I've seen some national shows take potshots at them. Maybe the man's pride just kicked in and he said, alright, enough of this.


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[Assistant] We may have news about the backup quarterback or the starting quarterback for the Browns sometime before we leave the air to the Browns players are talking in just a little bit here.


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[Assistant] Stefanski talks after we're off the air, but we're gonna talk about his comments on overtime.


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[Assistant] You've got something and you've got something. First quickly show business. We'll talk back up quarterback. What makes Kyle Shanahan so special? Once upon a time, he was Tyvis's head coach.


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[Assistant] We'll find out from Tyvis. What is it with this guy? Why is he so good? Lomas Brown is here to talk about offensive line woes. Is this something you can fix halfway through the season? If so, how do you do it? Uh, he's a Hall of Fame, uh, football player.


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[Assistant] Not in the NFL Hall of Fame, no. Wow, I thought he was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.


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[Assistant] Uhm, true or false, I get to defend my belt against Tyvis.


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[Assistant] He texted us yesterday about the intro. Yeah, you're right.


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[Assistant] There you go. It's not frowned upon. No, it's not frowned upon, but there is a stigma. I'm telling you. Like, I think if I was to go, before I actually walked in, I'd look around.


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[Assistant] Now boy, you know what? That really puts Andrew Barry in a tough spot.


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[Assistant] He said a week ago today that yeaah, he's playing against him. We can't play that sound bite, nevermind.


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[Assistant] No, because he just watched Dak Prescott go out and get absolutely killed against that same defense. And for that reason...


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[Assistant] I'm with you. Yes. Here's what we're doing here.


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[Assistant] You've got a headache because the Browns have an inability to recognize talent. Right.


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[Assistant] Once again, the Browns have mismanaged an off-field situation. Yes. They mismanaged dramatically the Baker Mayfield situation. He's gone.


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[Assistant] Now, I told the joke yesterday, what do you tell a guy that's got two black eyes? Nothing. He didn't listen the first two times. Here we go again.


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[Assistant] When it was first, and I believe that it was first an issue for Deshaun Watson on the Sunday of the Tennessee game. He knew what he was dealing with that day. Here's what you do.


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[Assistant] We're now moving forward, preparing DTR as if he's the starter next week. Here's why. Deshaun Watson's good to go.


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[Assistant] He's a veteran. If he has to miss a couple of days of practice, you feel okay putting him in there to be the starting quarterback. However,


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[Assistant] If you prepare the whole week as if he's gonna be your starter and then at 11 o'clock Sunday morning he says oops can't go.


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[Assistant] Our safety net is Deshaun Watson. If he can play, great. He doesn't need the day-to-day preparation. He's a pro. He's been through this. He's a veteran.


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[Assistant] Mistake. That's his first impression to NFL fans. So now the fan base, which loved him is like, oh, this guy isn't it. Right. And now they're knee jerking and now they're saying we're not going to put them out there.


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[Assistant] And instead, it's not like PJ Walker is Josh Dobbs because I thought they mismanaged that situation.


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[Assistant] It's the Browns job to make sure if the starting quarterback goes down, our season isn't a complete wash. Right. I'm not saying Josh Dobbs is going to, would have beat San Francisco. However, he gives us a better chance than PJ Walker and DTR. So now,


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[Assistant] They're telling DTR, you're not it. We're going to sit you down for a guy, PJ Walker, that no one has heard of, played in the XFL, and has thrown five touchdowns to 11 interceptions.


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[Assistant] All of these, all of these bad decisions, they're in a vacuum, they're happening in Berea, and they're happening with one regime after another regime after another regime, and there's one common denominator, and we all know who that is.


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[Assistant] And so if they're a wash, and it seems they are. Then play the young guy. Then get the young guy some reps. Yes. And you know what? If he plays against San Francisco.


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[Assistant] Is this a consensus vote, McNuggets, or is this your vote?


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[Assistant] You aren't kidding. Well listen, no no, they are saying he's not it. I mean if the report from yesterday was right and multiple sources reported that and that it is PJ and it's not DTR if Watson can't go, look at the flip-flop that's happened in this organization at this position just since Barry's been here.


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[Assistant] Well, I want to get both, I want to give G's comments some context. Okay. I mean, so, he said he's not good.


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[Assistant] In his last two years and four games, Kevin Stefanski is 17 and 21. Those are the numbers you lose jobs for. Where's the signature win?


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[Assistant] Ask Dallas. Alright, but what did you expect against Baltimore when the guy making his first NFL start? Not much, but the team could have handled it better. They could have gotten DTR ready to play.


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[Assistant] There's an interesting story that pertains to that with Tampa Bay. When I was there, the defense was elite, all-time great. They would go on to win a Super Bowl. The defense was looking at the scoreboard when they were coming off the field every week, losing 14 to 10, 7 to 3.


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[Assistant] And the rumblings in the defensive rooms was Trent Dilfer is not going to take us where we have to go. That's a fact. So you know what Tony Dungy did? Tony Dungy


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[Assistant] Took a rookie in Sean King, who had a decent senior year at Tulane. He was 11 and 0.


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[Assistant] And he said, let's do this. Let's see what we have because my defensive guys aren't ruling for wins. Maybe he's going to be enough.


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[Assistant] The comparison is, the natives were restless on the defense. And you could hear it. The media could hear it. In practice, you could hear Warren Sapp yelling out to the offense to get your shit together.


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[Assistant] The Browns have put them in a position to wear.


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[Assistant] So wait, you're saying the key to beating his defense? Is our linebackers. Is having great linebackers? Yeah.


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[Assistant] It's interesting, that's why it was so important to John Lynch and to Kyle Shanahan to go out and get McCaffrey.


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[Assistant] That you guys all look good when they have quarterbacks that can execute it, to your point. McDaniel looked great last year with Tua at the trigger. Right. You've gotta have both. You've gotta have the genius that's in the lab and that like, like, look at, look at what they're doing in Kansas City. Andy Reid has


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[Assistant] The guy to pull off what he wants to do.


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[Assistant] And great players can make good coaches look a lot better. They go in tandem.


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[Assistant] The guys never walked off the football field as a loser. Yes he did. No, he had not in the NFL. They lost to the Eagles. He didn't finish the game. But he played.


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[Assistant] Let's get a drug test in here. Get a drug test. Josh Allen scares me for one reason. Pigs. Yep.


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[Assistant] Too many of them. Jalen Hurts. Not just picks. Wow. He's thrown some picks in big, big times. He's loose with the football, but I gotta take him.


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[Assistant] His performance to match what my first impression of him was. Oh, this guy can't, there's no way that we can be looking at this. We said that about Tom Brady once.


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[Assistant] I didn't, well, no, I'm not gonna say that. He impressed me at times.


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[Assistant] And then Andy Reid took him and what happened? So look, you're trying to say it's all one or the other and it's not, Tybus. It's not one or the other. It's a combination.


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[Assistant] October 11th. Is that the day? What is it? Roll the wheel. Bookmark this day. We're going to revisit this.


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[Assistant] For me, it's about a season. I need to see somebody do it for an extended period of time because now there is a book on what this guy likes to do, what are his strengths, what are his weaknesses.


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[Assistant] No, I told you, I told you going into that before you said, I'll take the argument. I said, obviously the one thing that no one is considering in your argument is salary.


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[Assistant] You're gonna tell me I have to pay Deshaun Watson 45 million dollars a year.