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[Assistant] We mean shoot your gun as in like, when you see something, believe it and go. And you know, go after it. Don't like hesitate and like, oh wait, did I see the right thing? I'm not sure. What do I do? No, just go attack. That's what that phrase means. And he does do that.


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[Assistant] What a chicken I am. How dare I? And I'm gonna, I wanna talk about, and make sure you remind me, when we get done with this top five, I wanna go back and revisit the top three one more time, okay? Just a overall blanket statement about them. But, I mean, Patrick Queen,


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[Assistant] From LSU, Linebacker University, Freak Show University. I mean, oh, what do you mean? Another...


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[Assistant] Okay, he's a little less than, than Murray from Oklahoma with his ability to read and react.


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[Assistant] He does hesitate from time to time, but I don't attribute that to a guy that, you know, like we were talking about a second ago, who's like stupid, he knows what he's seeing, you know, he's uhm, he's certainly not afraid to throw his body around and hit.


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[Assistant] It's more about, I think this is a guy that just hasn't played a lot. This is really the only year he played middle linebacker and got a ton of snaps and doing all of that.


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[Assistant] It's a special, special specimen, Ahmed, when I really break him down. I mean, here's some of the things I wrote.


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[Assistant] You know, when he knows what he sees and he's confident in it, I mean, his ability to react and shoot the gap or go after a ball carrier, I mean, it's off the charts.


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[Assistant] It's as good as any middle linebacker in football. Now, like I said, there's moments where I think because of lack of experience, there's some hesitation in this game. But explosive ability, I mean, off the charts, as good as any middle linebacker in football in that department, there's no doubt about it.


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[Assistant] All of it is just off the charts that way. Really, the only thing I found that was the flaw, like I said, and I attributed a lot of it, was just the, you know, a guy that hasn't played a lot of football all the time. I really looked at that as being some of the biggest negatives.


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[Assistant] I just think he's gotta learn to when to take on a block, when to run around the block, you know, when to trust what you see and when not to trust what you see. And that will come with the experience. But you know, he's a phenomenal football player. He's every bit athletically as gifted as Devin White last year, who was the top five pick or top six pick.


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[Assistant] He's just not as, you know, nuanced, uh, at playing the position quite yet. But either way, the physical traits are there.


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[Assistant] Definitely. Yeaah. I mean again, it goes back to what we were talking about a little earlier, right? Like these guys are still growing.


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[Assistant] I bet, I bet it's tough when you get set at home and snacks are around everywhere. But, uh, you know, you set it.


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[Assistant] And he'll have a better understanding of the game. But every bit in the class of the guys that we saw drafted in the top 10 last year, Devin White, Devin Bush, he's athletically and physically every bit as gifted as them.


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[Assistant] You know, the first thing I wrote down is just specimen. I mean, he's a freaking specimen. He's like a praying mantis with lots of muscles out on the football field. I mean, it's just like, it's one of those Ahmed where you turn on the film and you just go...


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[Assistant] I don't know anything out here, but that guy looks different than everybody else. And then you start to watch him and you go, oh, that's because he is different. He is a freak of nature.


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[Assistant] You know, it is not your traditional linebacker. This is a different type of guy to what you're saying. And yeah, there's some free safety, safety ability. I, you know, I see that, but I think ultimately,


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[Assistant] He's best when he's closer to the line of scrimmage in a strong safety linebacker, just go get the ball type of roll. You know, in free safety, because he's so long, you know, he's not


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[Assistant] You know, he's long, there's a little bit more of a, a, a gather up speed than you would see from a normal free safety or the elite ones, like a Antoine Winfield Jr. who could turn and run and be at full speed by the time that second foot's hitting the ground.


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[Assistant] Isaiah Simmons is not quite that way. Now in a hundred yard race, he's going to beat all those guys. I mean, he just, he's unbelievable, but.


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[Assistant] You know, is he a guy that's going to knock off the head of the pulling guard who's coming at him? No, but he's certainly capable of taking him on and stopping him in his tracks and making a play that way too. So yes, he hasn't played the traditional linebacker spot and honed in at one spot and that's going to


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[Assistant] And I understand that question. I get it. And I mean, scare you as in like, oh, if I was game planning against him, where would I go? Oh no, I don't know where to see that guy. To me, you know, the answer to that question is a stand up, will linebacker or some type of middle linebacker that you just say, go get the football.


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[Assistant] You know, I'll be, I wouldn't be shocked if all three of them ended up going in the top 20. You know, I mean, I think these are big time talents.


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[Assistant] I think the gap between Queen and Murray and Simmons is a lot closer though than, I don't want to just sit here and go, Oh, Simmons is so much better than the rest. It's not even close. He's a top five pick and the other guys are outside the top 10. No.


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[Assistant] I could see Simmons falling outside the top 10 for a little bit of the reasons we talked about. You know, some teams might just go, I'm not so sure what position he is. And that scares me. You know, I think he's one of those guys that, how do I want to say this?


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[Assistant] If coaches got, a coach got fired and he had to inherit Isaiah Simmons, they'd be like, oh man, I get to go coach Isaiah Simmons. That's unbelievable. That's awesome. He's an unbelievable talent.


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[Assistant] Now, if a coach has to pull the trigger and draft him, I think that'll be a little scarier for most teams to do that because of the things we talked about. But nonetheless, he's a special, special talent. And I think it's very close between all three of these guys as far as, you know, I'm going to give Simmons the edge.


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[Assistant] Because of the pure athleticism and the versatility, but man, I like Queen and Murray a lot, and I think Queen and Murray


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[Assistant] Are very close as football players too.


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[Assistant] Well I would say Queen is a little bit more of an explosive, raw athlete. I would say Kenneth Murray.


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[Assistant] To make up for maybe that just hair less of athletic explosion, let alone Murray's a bigger human being, who I think like two or three years from now is going to be 250 pounds, 248, something like that, but still being able to move the way he moves. So really interesting group, but


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[Assistant] All three are freaks of nature. And yeaah, Isaiah Simmons to me, Ahmed, like...


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[Assistant] I don't know where he goes, alright? I don't know. Like when I look at the top 10, okay? Let's just have this conversation.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't think the Giants are gonna take him at number four. And...


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[Assistant] Did they get Jamie Collins? Am I remembering that correctly? Right? So they got those two guys. You want to double check that for me? So they have those type of guys anyways.


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[Assistant] I, like I said, I don't think the Giants are gonna go that way. The team I do look at at the top 10 when it comes to the Simmons conversation.


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[Assistant] Would the Los Angeles Chargers go get, oh, Kyle Vanoi's Adopted, excuse me, I'm sorry.


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[Assistant] But, I can see the Chargers maybe liking Isaiah Simmons.


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[Assistant] And if you put Isaiah Simmons down on the second level next to Derwin James, who's their strong safety, oh my gosh.


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[Assistant] Ball Hawks? Wow. So that's a team that jumps out to me in the top 10, but I think it is very interesting to see where he ends up. And like I said, will the Minka Fitzpatrick thing come back to hurt him where, you know, Minka was one of those guys. He could play it all.


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[Assistant] And then we tried to play them at all and it didn't work out. And then the stealer said, no, we're going to play them here. And it did work out. So that's what's intriguing about the Simmons conversation.


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[Assistant] He is a little reckless and misses some tackles, but


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[Assistant] Has a great body and has phenomenal athleticism.


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[Assistant] Okay, so to where he's a guy where like, I wouldn't be shocked from four years or now, you said, oh man, he could be one of the best middle linebackers in the game. He's got that type of potential, but he's in the big 12. And like I said, you know, my worries about the big 12 at sometimes, sometimes it's just like flag football.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I want to give some love to Malik Harrison, the middle linebacker for the Ohio State Buckeye. He's your traditional


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[Assistant] You know, he's still a good athlete. He doesn't have the greatest hips and the greatest ability to change direction, but a true, like,


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[Assistant] They jumped out to me for sure. Those two, I like them a lot. Logan Wilson in Wyoming, like him, remind me of Kiko Alonzo. Okay, in a lot of ways.


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[Assistant] You know, we're going to hit that on Monday. We're going to hit all the big offensive linemen. So we'll, me and you, we'll go through the guard, the tackles, the centers, anybody that's, you know, in that first round, top 40 picks conversation, we're going to hit it all. You nervous? You scared?


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[Assistant] Thanks, buddy. You the man. Couldn't do it without you. Thanks for making it fun. Thanks for listening to my bullshit all the time, man.


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[Assistant] Nobody, okay? Maybe some Patriots fans here over the last couple weeks because they've been jaded by-


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[Assistant] And they're not all in places that we would have guessed three months ago. No, no, definitely not.


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[Assistant] Of the season, the last game was the last game. And it didn't necessarily look like it was going to be in the first half. Right.


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[Assistant] Because the Seahawks, I mean, they were an underdog at home. Didn't show up at first, right? They didn't. And they looked slow, I think. They looked offensively, like they just weren't going to have enough firepower at all. I mean, they're relying on Marshawn Lynch and Turbin. And Russell Wilson sometimes. And Russell Wilson.


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[Assistant] Let the Seattle Seahawks hang around. And I think we'll, we'll talk about what the 49ers did well because they did a lot of things really well in this game. But I think first and foremost, I do wanna...


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[Assistant] Boy, Seattle, with all the injuries they've had. Yea, they're amazing this way. We heat praise on Russell Wilson all the time, and you do as well. Yep. But man, he really does it. I mean, he really is the guy that if they did not have him,


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[Assistant] They honestly should have won this game because they have the ball first and goal from the one yard line with enough time and then they unthinkably get the delay of game penalty, which I really haven't heard yet a good explanation for how that happened.


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[Assistant] I think I know what happened because you take a deep breath, right? You take a deep breath and you say, okay, we spiked it, we stopped the clock, boom, here we are. Okay, everyone relax for a second. And as a quarterback,


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[Assistant] Sometimes you think that's a timeout. It seems like they all thought it was a timeout.


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[Assistant] But they just gotta keep it away from Malcolm Butler. But that's the only, they could have done that from the one yard line. Yeah, right, yes. So, okay, so the 40th, so they, they should have scored. I think they should have, obvious, I think they would have scored if they don't get that delayed game penalty. But they did, they got the delayed game penalty. And they still had plenty of opportunities to score there. Right. They had, how many was it, like eight? Eight plays from the 15, I think.


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[Assistant] So what did the 49ers do at the end of the game to keep them out of the end?


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[Assistant] Yes. Right. And he was there but they still need to stop him immediately. Right. And they did that. They did that. It was a phenomenal tackle.


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[Assistant] Love the all-whites. Love the all-whites. I think we have some photos of some of the uh, the 49ers. 1994 Niners uniforms. So they were kind of like, they were throwbacks a little bit. Yeah. Is that like your favorite 49er look?


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[Assistant] He didn't know what the hell was going on. He will never walk through again. That is the last time he'll ever walk past us. Uh, so 49ers Seahawks are going to the playoffs. Uh, 49ers get the first round by, so that was huge. Seahawks do not. Saints do not. They were hoping for pass interference. The referees once again affect the Saints in the postseason. It just happens every year.


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[Assistant] No, it happened again. Alright, so good game there. The Packers win was very underwhelming. They were taking on my Detroit Lions, who have the number 3 pick in the draft. You can't have it all. You got your 49ers win. You can't get a Lions winner, right? No, ever. You can't ever get a Lions win.


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[Assistant] But it was a really poor performance from the Packers for most of this game. I would argue for the whole game. They did come through at the end. It wasn't necessarily Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Jones made a lot of that last play to set him up the Mason Crosby field goal.


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[Assistant] Rogers, they were able to get the win, but boy, they go in as a buy team with a number 2 seed in the NFC, so they do get the buy, but they do not look overwhelming. Give them all the credit in the world. It's very tough to win 13 games in the NFL.


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[Assistant] And that's ever. I have never seen him play. For an entire game or for, cause sometimes you see him come out the first half and it's like, okay, that doesn't seem like him. Second half starts to be like, ah, there we go. There's Aaron Rodgers. I would say.


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[Assistant] Well you know who it's gonna be. It's gonna be the Eagles in there.


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[Assistant] It didn't necessarily do it in convincing fashion, although we give them a lot of credit. They pulled away late and they did it with a lot of injured guys, reserve guys, practice squad, Boston Scott. Boston Scott. Yeah, Witness Protection Program was what Matt Casey says. They really, we really did. We had to go in and say, can you give up your, uh, your identity now? And they go, yes, to play for the Eagles. It's amazing.


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[Assistant] Well, I got a number on that when I saw this pop up. First quarterback of all time to have over 4,000 yards passing in a season without having one single receiver over 500. I heard somebody say that yesterday. That is amazing.


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[Assistant] But maybe one and done. Well yeaah. I mean it could be anything. It could be anything there. So the, the New England Patriots, they almost, I mean there's gonna be a lot of people betting with you. Oh no, they wouldn't. I'm wrong anyways. Why?


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[Assistant] More than like, which, you know, I'm the biggest Vikings fan out there outside of Mike Florio.


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[Assistant] They, all they had to do to get that first round by for like the 35th year in a row.


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[Assistant] Uh, they stun the, the Patriots. And it was even a game where it started to look like that New England scoring late was like, okay, here you go. Right. Here's where it all comes apart for the, the Dolphins. Right. And where New England squeaks it out. Not convincingly, but they do get a win.


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[Assistant] And it couldn't even hold on, that defense for the New England Patriots could not stop Fitzmagic, uh, Fitzmagic, and they could not stop Devonte Parker. No, they could not. Which was very interesting against Stephon Gilmore, who last week at this time,


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[Assistant] You said was the defensive player of the year. Yes. I wonder if you still feel like that after what happened here in week 17. I do. Okay. I don't, I'm not gonna let that


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[Assistant] It will be interesting to see if they switch it up and if they take some clues from what happened in week 17. I want to ask you about the end of the first half here, but before we do that, I just want to say...


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[Assistant] We're fine, 10-10, that's a win for us right now. So, you're expecting Bill Belichick and the Patriots to take a timeout, right there. Definitely, I mean, yes, I would have expected it right there. You have a minute 40, after you get the ball it's about a minute 30, and that's more than enough time for Tom Brady to take the team down the field. You're thinking this is- Or at least get in field goal range. Exactly.


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[Assistant] Let me throw a conspiracy theory at you. Sure. Alright? Because Bill Belichick is a master of the mental game. Yea. Right? And knowing how to motivate players. Right. And getting them to execute the game plan.


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[Assistant] So say this happened. Say that you're at the end of the first half. Right. And Bill Belichick is trying to send the message to the offense and to Tom Brady that you know what, where you are right now, where you're at.


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[Assistant] I don't trust you. I don't trust you guys to move the ball down the field in the minute 30. You have lost that trust from me and you need to work to get it back because right now I don't trust you to do it. How much do you think it was that as opposed to the fact that yeaah, he really did fear a turnover in that situation or blowing what they had at that point was just a tie game.


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[Assistant] And who knows, maybe that's exactly what they needed. Maybe that's exactly what they needed going into the playoffs now. Not that they haven't had their fair share of wake-up calls the last few weeks of the season, but that's a wake-up call.


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[Assistant] Brian Flores was in his head. He knew how he thinks and he counteracted it. So the Dolphins got a win to end their season and that was the best of week 17 presented by Verizon, the network that more people rely on.


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[Assistant] So let's take a look at the brackets first. We saw the NFC, let's take a look again here. We'll start with the AFC actually. In the wild card games, we got the 5-4, that's Buffalo in the Texans. And then we have the 6-3, that is Tennessee traveling to Foxborough to take on


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[Assistant] The New England Patriots and then over in the NFC, 5-4s, the Seahawks.


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[Assistant] traveling to Philadelphia. You can see that on NBC 440 Eastern. And the 6-3 is Vikings traveling to New Orleans to take on the Saints. That is the Sunday early game.


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[Assistant] And so that is the four and this is our speed round. You ready? I'm ready. Buckle up. I don't know if we have music for the speed round or not.


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[Assistant] Can you do a little beat or something? I don't like that one, sorry. I'll stop. Okay, favorite quarterback matchup of these wild card games? The four games that we have on wild card week and what's your favorite quarterback matchup?


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[Assistant] I think he's going to win offensive rookie player of the year.


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[Assistant] Because I think it was Josh Jacobs to lose for a long time.


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[Assistant] Overrated player that everyone is going to realize is not very good. So who's the guy that's going to come into this game, people are going to think is going to throw up huge numbers, maybe propel their team to victory, and then disappoint.


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[Assistant] I should have said him. I should have crushed that guy in the pod. I think he's overrated. Oh, why didn't I say his name? No, that's okay. You saved him. Uh, okay. Kyle Rudolph would be another one I'd throw in that


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[Assistant] I'll tell you what, we don't often talk about kickers. No. Seems like part of the...


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[Assistant] We don't until they do something poor after the fact, but the fact of the matter is there's some of these teams going into the playoffs who


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[Assistant] Have some serious kicking questions, and we know how crucial the kicking game is. I mean, the Tennessee Titans have serious questions here. That's to me where I would go. The Titans have had kicking issues all year. Greg Joseph now, signed, replaced. Yea. Ryan Suckup. Right. I don't know.


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[Assistant] Eh, Dan Bailey's not gonna choke much though. He'll be fine. Uhm, I was looking, I was looking for some- I'm going Titan's though, all the way.


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[Assistant] Uh, the best kickers in football this year, I was looking this up on NFL Jesus. Wow. They have this thing called... I've never looked at that. Field goal plus minus. Yeaah. They kinda, they take how successful the kicker was.


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[Assistant] And where they kicked and what percentage normally are made from there and did they exceed that or not. Right. That lot goes into it. Right. Number one in NFL was Josh Lambeau from the Jaguars.


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[Assistant] But number two, Justin Tucker. Okay. Number three, Will Lutz. Right. So that's, I mean, that just shows you there's another weapon there for those teams that we do know. We talk about it. Will Lutz. I know, but you're right. We don't ever give it the attention.


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[Assistant] Dan Bailey is good. Mason Crosby is 6. Yeaah, that's pretty damn good. So those are all teams that can rely on their kicking game and probably will not pull a parking and do a double doink. Final one for the speed round for the wild card first glance.


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[Assistant] Titan's Patriots is another one? That one's interesting to me because what if, what if Derek Henry goes for like 2.30 and two touchdowns and Ryan Tannehill continues on this pace that he's been on, and what if they go into Foxborough and blow him up?


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[Assistant] Alright, so that's our first glance at the wild card. Now let's do some news and notes. Yeah. Some news and notes out there. It's Black Friday.


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[Assistant] It's the, it's the Friday that every coach fears. Yes, Black Friday on a Monday. Oh, Black Monday. Yes, thank you.


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[Assistant] Black Friday. Black Monday is a different sort of thing. You're shopping. A lot of teams shopping for a head coach right now. That's where I was going with that. Uhm, so let's start with the Cowboys. The word is not official yet. It may be by the time you're listening to this podcast or watching this podcast about Jason Garrett.


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[Assistant] Uh, Cowboys though likely to move on from Jason Garrett, who's been there for a decade. Past few years, Jerry Jones has gone against the, the tide and, and kept him around. A lot of people thought he would have been gone three, four years ago and they've stuck with him. Didn't really pay off for the Cowboys, so.


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[Assistant] So your thoughts on the regime change that's coming most likely in Dallas? Well, I think it needs to be done.


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[Assistant] But here's what I think, let me see if you're on the same page here.


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[Assistant] If you go this long and you're Jerry Jones, sticking with the same guy, and you haven't moved on, and so it's been ten years with Jason Garrett, now you finally move on.


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[Assistant] You have to move on in a big way. You know, it's not one of those situations where I don't think, maybe I'm wrong here.


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[Assistant] That there's gonna be a coordinator hired, or, or, I don't know, a smaller name that could grow into the job and be very successful, but I feel like if you're the Dallas Cowboys and you've waited this long to move on from Jason Garrett, when you finally make that decision to do it, it has to be something big. It has to be a huge,


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[Assistant] Name, personality, Urban Meyer, I don't know exactly what it is, but it seems like they have to and would want to hit it out of the park with this one.


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[Assistant] But will it be a big name or do you think they could go with a coordinator that no one really quite knows about yet but could grow into the


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[Assistant] So, so the Giants then, same question with them. Yeah. So what kind of a coach, they've moved on from Pat Shermer, fired him, it does seem apparent they're keeping their GM, Dave Gettleman. Uh huh.


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[Assistant] Which, some reports out there that that has made some head coach candidates out there a bit hesitant towards going towards the Giants, but maybe it's not.


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[Assistant] So what kind of a coach, if you're looking for a coach that the fans can rally?


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[Assistant] I guess the question with him is how motivated is he to get that head coaching job right now? The end doesn't necessarily...


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[Assistant] Seem like it's imminent for Bill Belichick in New England, but you figure if it does come in the next few years that Josh McDaniel is a logical choice to take over a really good franchise with a lot of tradition and history and support.


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[Assistant] That's a more appealing long-term future for George McDaniels than maybe trying to resurrect this giant franchise that's struggle-able.


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[Assistant] Maybe it's just time to move on and go into the next phase. It's not going to be the old era of... I can see the Browns really being interested in him too.


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[Assistant] Already close to hiring their guy. May have already happened by the time you're listening to this. Ron Rivera fired this year from Carolina after nine seasons.


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[Assistant] Uh, Washington's also moving on to Bruce Allen after many, many years and to much of the delight of the Washington fans there. He has been a lightning rod for criticism. So, so what do you think? Ron Rivera in Washington, a franchise that, that hasn't


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[Assistant] You think he's the quarterback of the future for Washington? I do.


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[Assistant] Nine years in Carolina. Ron Rivera, I got an early pop quiz question for you here.


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[Assistant] How many years did he have more than seven wins in the nine years he was at Carolina? That does include this year which was cut short.


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[Assistant] Uh, and the one firing that I think a lot of people thought was inevitable going into the last week of the season. Freddie Kitchens, the Browns are moving on from him. And I don't know your thoughts on this, but I...


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[Assistant] I have a little bit of a problem with it. Not that he did a great job, which I don't think he did. There's a lot of personalities on that team and left a lot to be desired. But if you're going to hire Freddy Kitchens in the first place,


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[Assistant] You have to give them more than one year, because aren't you assuming that the first year is going to be rough with a coach who's never been a head coach before? Now you throw them into the Cleveland Brown situation, which is more difficult. I would argue that Bill Belichick would have a hard time coaching them, at least in year number one.


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[Assistant] So, it seems strange to fire him after year one, because I thought if that was in the equation, you don't hire him to begin with. You gotta give him some leash, I don't know what you think of. I think your thought is right, like most of the time. Like the mistake wasn't made now by firing him, that's probably the right decision, but it's like if you knew that was a possibility, then why give him the job a year ago?


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[Assistant] So they move on from, uh, from him. Although the fact is that they did have some, uh, some interesting offensive numbers. So their skill players put up


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[Assistant] So six teams had two players with one thousand receiving yards. How many of those teams can you name? Woah, six teams? Six teams had two players with one thousand plus receiving yards. Can you name those teams? Holy shit. Okay, here we go.


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[Assistant] If you get one wrong, you've gotten this whole one wrong. So you only get one strike. So be very careful.


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[Assistant] Did the Cleveland get to 1,000? Cleveland did. They got there. Odell got there yesterday? That's what I'm saying about Freddie Kitchens. You got two receivers, you got Odell, you got Landry, and you have Nick Chubb, who outside of a great game from Derrick Henry, he would have been the rushing champ the other years. You're right, Freddie Kitchens is going to get an OC jump.


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[Assistant] I thought maybe Calvin Ridley got there. I wasn't sure. He did not. San Diego with Williams and Keenan Allen. You mean Los Angeles. Oh, I'm sorry.


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[Assistant] I'll be doing that forever. Although, we'll go back to San Diego. Eventually. That's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna keep it San Diego, and they'll eventually go back there. You'll be ahead of the curve. And so I'll be fine. And then, uh, and then Dallas. Dallas did. Yep, Dallas made it there. Gallup got it? Gallup got it. Got it. Did he get it yesterday? Uh, I don't know. What'd he ended up with?


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[Assistant] I mean, it's probably, it seemed like you had a thousand just, uh, in the second half yesterday. It did, it did. Alright. So that's it. Damn. Those are the six teams.


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[Assistant] This team is not in the playoffs. They're not in the playoffs. Okay. This is like 20 questions. I like that. Well, that's a good one there. Okay. Because normally you think, okay, a team that runs...


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[Assistant] Ball really effectively. And number three is in the playoffs. That's the Tennessee Titans. That seems to make a lot of sense.


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[Assistant] Cleveland was four. Cleveland was four. Cleveland was four. Dallas was five.


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[Assistant] Oakland? It was not Oakland. They're far down the list. You want me to give it to you? Yea, give it to you.


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[Assistant] Okay, number three, which non-playoff team was number two in interception rate and number one in saccharate? So this, this team did not make the playoffs.


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[Assistant] That's easy for me though. I'm gonna say Pittsburgh. That is Pittsburgh, you're right.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that one I was all over. Which means if Big Ben had not gotten hurt, that team's easily in the playoffs, you think? Yes, I do.


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[Assistant] How long was Le'Veon Bell's longest rush of the season? And I'll give you plus or minus three. Okay. So give me a number and I'll give you three either more or less than that. Uh, if you're in the ballpark. I know it's like... Longest rush of the season.


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[Assistant] Uh, to add, uh, insult, uh, poor numbers. Did you hear today, Adam Gates, what he said about Levian Bell? He was asked about it at a press conference. Do you hope that he's back? Yea. He said, it's not my call. Ask Joe. You can ask Joe about it. He's got a three-year contract, he said, so apparently he, you know, contractually will be back, but... Nobody's going to take over that contract. He's got to guarantee the money.


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[Assistant] Pop quiz. You've done pretty well so far. Thanks, thanks. Uh, which Tampa franchise has more 30-30 guys? The Rays or the Tampa Bay Buccaneers? So 30-30 in baseball is what? Steals and homers? Correct. 30 steals, 30 homers, and 30-30 in football is a quarterback you throw.


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[Assistant] What did I read on Twitter? I was like, I read somewhere on Twitter that someone said, in fantasy football, what you should have done, daily fantasy, is pick James Winston every week and then pick the defense that he's going against. It really would have paid off.


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[Assistant] Real quick. Real quick. Let me look at teams that I think Jamus could go to. It could actually help. Dolphins is interesting. Okay.


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[Assistant] Exactly, that's exactly what you do in Vegas, right? Lucky seven, lucky seven. You go, I know the house has the odds here, right? Right. With Jameis, you go, I know that it's likely to not work out, but if it does, it's gonna be incredible. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Perfect guy for Vegas.


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[Assistant] Okay, I am very, very smart. Alright, how dare you. What's up? You know it's a podcast. It's Chris Sims on Button PFTPM Collaboration. And you know it's a podcast. When?


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[Assistant] I don't know if he's wearing pants or not, but that's the beauty of him being at home in his garage. Damn. Bare balling it with the Pittsburgh Penguins. Zip up. That would be a look. Social media would go on fire if you want to give us a shot. Okay.


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[Assistant] Uh, but yeaah, we got a good one today though. We are, we're gonna hit everything free agen-wise. Just, you know, thoughts, players.


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[Assistant] Where teams are at. Have a little fun with all of this. Good discussions. Uh, so we're gonna hit all of that today. That'll be fun. And then, uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, that'll be, I'll be dumb with you for a while. You won't have to podcast with me for a while.


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[Assistant] And just a few other things news and notes wise around the NFL, but that's my podcast schedule for the rest of the week. And what do you got on PFTPM?


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[Assistant] And have enough toilet paper. Okay, what do you mean? Why wouldn't you have enough toilet paper? How is that an issue?


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[Assistant] I, I, I did see that, yes, I, I saw that, but I didn't, I didn't realize it was like such a nationwide thing. I saw how some supermarkets, but yes, I don't, okay, sure, whatever people want to do.


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[Assistant] It's a lot of fun, but okay baby, it's on to free agency. We'll talk about bidets later, alright? Uh, we'll talk about bidets on another bidet. On another bidet, but we got, of course, the big news of free agency.


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[Assistant] Oh, I have, I've self-bedayed myself and well, forget it. I'm not even going to get into this conversation. Okay. Free agent quarterbacks. That's the news of football right now. We got a lot of good stuff to talk about. And of course we know it's Tom Brady who leads the pack here as far as where does he go? Does he stay or does he go?


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[Assistant] Well, okay, I think he'll stay. Uh, you know, I do think he'll stay. I do think that he is entertaining the possibility of leaving. Okay. Uh, I do, I do like agree with some of what you're saying, but the other reason I think you haven't heard of like him just going, hey, I'm staying or doing that.


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[Assistant] Cause I don't know if he knows exactly.


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[Assistant] You know, first off, let's just be clear here. Like yeah, we don't know where he's going.


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[Assistant] But we have a lot of signals and signs that say Tennessee Titans and 49ers. And as we've talked about a lot over the last week, no one seems to want to shoot them down.


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[Assistant] Most teams would shoot these type of conversations down if they felt like it got too serious and they were not interested in it. The 49ers certainly could come out and say Jimmy Garoppolo is our guy. They haven't done that. Crickets. We talked about Adam Schefter. Crickets. I mean, he's very entrenched with Tom Brady and the Shanahan family. We've heard nothing. So for me,


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[Assistant] Nothing. Yes, nothing. So those to me are little context clues that I think you and I have successfully connected dots through our lifetime. And those things have ended up being true. Also, what I find rare about the Tennessee Titan thing, of course, there's a need and also crickets not only about the Brady situation, but Ryan Tannehill as well.


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[Assistant] Who I think plays into this. And we haven't heard one rumor or inkling or anything about a conversation with the Titans and Tannahill's people or a number floated out there as far as money is concerned. So all those things lead me to believe that it is very real. I'm just ultimately going to say Brady goes back to New England.


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[Assistant] And Florio, you're saying he goes out the door. Okay. So if you're saying he goes- I think he goes to San Francisco. I think he goes to San Francisco. I do. I do.


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[Assistant] Now, okay, just for funsies here, okay, cause I'm with you, I think ultimately it will come down to the 49ers and the Patriots too.


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[Assistant] If you had to choose between New England and Tennessee, where do you think he would end up? I, I don't know. I have no inside info on this either, but I would think Ryan Tannehill would fit really what the, the, I think New England would welcome him and want him. And of course you wouldn't have to trade for him like they would maybe in Andy Dalton or something like that.


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[Assistant] Very much, very much. He is with CAA. You're right. You know, I, I, I don't know how that works either. No, but you're right. I, I know that too. I know it to be very true. Uh, and Tom represented me as well. So I know there was some little...


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[Assistant] Uh, issue there between Tom and New England or Tom and Bill Belichick, whatever it may be. Alright, so here's the next thing. Let me hear your thought on this.


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[Assistant] Do you think Brady's the first free agent Domino at the quarterback position to fall? Or do you think somebody else happens first?


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[Assistant] I tend to think Brady will be the first one to go. Like we talked about in the show today, I think he's going to realize I need to get on this first so I can give a team, hey, I'm coming and they can build appropriately around me. I think he'll be one of those that will be rumored and we'll hear about it during the legal tampering period.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I would say those are the two guys I would look at to be the first two on the list. I do, I think the Brady Domino is very real. I do think that'll set the market a little bit. I do because I just think if he signs with Tennessee.


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[Assistant] I think that'll be a ripple ripple ripple effect for not only him, but maybe even for a Phillip Rivers and you know, so on. So there's a lot of things going there, but I'm with you. I think I'm going to go Brady, but I hear you with the Tannahill thing. That makes a lot of sense. Um, okay. Anybody else that jumps to your mind before we just move on there?


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[Assistant] You know, of course, there's Cam Newton and that possibility. Nick Foles, we're hearing a lot of rumors about him. Andy Dalton, the same thing. I mean, I would be shocked if Andy Dalton was with the Cincinnati Bengals.


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[Assistant] You know, what, when do you think that happens during this free agency period? You think that's one of those that happens very early on? Or does teams let things shake out and then reassess and then decide make moves for a quarterback?


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[Assistant] I'm with you, I'm with you on all your thoughts there actually. I'm not gonna disagree with anything. That would be exactly how I would have put it as well.


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[Assistant] Uh, you're right. And then, you know, the cam, the, the, the, the physical, all of those things are going to delay the timeline a little bit as well. And you're, there's more moving parts there. Okay. Here's another one. Talk, talk about quarterbacks. Like are they guaranteed to stay where they are? Drew Brees.


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[Assistant] We know, like right, we're on the same page here. Staying in New Orleans. He's already said it. He's already said it. Yup. He's not leaving. Taysom Hill. Do you think anybody makes any sort of play for Taysom Hill?


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[Assistant] And then he hits the open market. Right, right. That is always the interesting thing, right? You can find little creative things of language to make it hard for a team to match, but ultimately,


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[Assistant] I just don't see anybody making a major play for Taysom Hill yet because I just think the risk is not a, the risk is higher than the reward at this point. The only one that really knows what this guy's made of and who he is is Sean Payton.


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[Assistant] You know, so, I just don't see anybody even dangling that out there, uh, for the repercussions you talked about, and I think ultimately-


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[Assistant] I think the fear, the, this, the fear factor would be a little bit what we talked about yesterday. As you bring Taysom Hill in, you've given him big money, right? And now, you know, if he, if you gotta put him in a quarterback and he doesn't do well, that could be the type of move that,


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[Assistant] derails a front office or a head coach, head coach and starts things on a downward path of, oh, he's stupid. How could you give a guy that only threw 15 passes that type of money? And that's where I think ultimately it's going to scare people off.


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[Assistant] Uh, because I don't, I think a lot of these coaches too know that they're not as smart and as good as Sean Payton to utilize Taysom Hill, and they won't necessarily get the same results that way either. So, alright.


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[Assistant] Damn, you take Taysom Hill. Okay, there it is. The guy, he took Taysom Hill over.


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[Assistant] Over Kirk Cousins in the draft of quarterbacks leading up to the NFC playoffs and Kirk Cousins won his game against Taysom Hill and Drew Brees. Remember, we left. Yea, but Taysom Hill was the best. He was. Taysom Hill was the best player on the field that day. Alright, and then, uh, okay, that's it. And then Dak Prescott. Of course, we both think he's staying in Dallas. There's no freaking way.


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[Assistant] Alright, here we go. Speed round. Alright, speed round. Quarterback carousel. It's up and down and around we go. Up and down and around we go. Quarterback carousel. Quarterback carousel. Speed round, Florio. No long answers. We'll hit them all. Let's do it.


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[Assistant] I think he stays in Tennessee. Okay, I'll go, I'm gonna stay with Tennessee Titans as well. If, if, I will say this, if Brady ended up in San Francisco, I think Tannahill will be in New England.


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[Assistant] Okay, I'm gonna throw a team out. I'm gonna say the Pittsburgh Steelers. If I'm the Pittsburgh Steelers and I'm a team, well, he's a great, he'd be a, he'd be the perfect backup. I think they would go.


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[Assistant] They can't, you trust those two shitbergs they had last year, alright? What are they gonna pay him? What are they gonna pay him? I don't know. I don't think the market will be that robust. I think you could pay him a, maybe a, uh, you know, 12 million dollars, something like that. Other teams. Take that, take that and stay in Tampa. You'd rather play.


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[Assistant] Alright fine, I don't care if you don't. Other team I'm gonna throw out there just for Jameis Winston too. Maybe the Chargers, maybe they'd bring him as a backup too. Okay, next one up, the ex Chargers quarterback, Phillip Rivers. Where do you think he ends up, Michael Florio? ESPN broadcast booth.


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[Assistant] Well, it did. It did make it great. You're right. Uh, but you know, I wasn't alive during all that. So here we go. All right. Then now Philip Rivers, I'm with you. I don't think it goes to the Indianapolis Colts. I don't, I don't see that happening. I'm going to say for playing the sake of the game, I'm going to say he ends up


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[Assistant] With the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I'm gonna go Philip Rivers, Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Teddy Bridgewater.


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[Assistant] I mean, what are you talking about? Teddy, Teddy B, uh, I don't know, who do you think?


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[Assistant] Uhm, oh, way to deflect in a hurry there. Patriots! Patriots! You gonna go Patriots? I'm gonna go, I'm gonna say, first off, I don't think the market is gonna be anywhere near starting quarterback money for Teddy Bridgewater. I'm gonna say Chicago Bears.


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[Assistant] I think that's where he's going to end up. If I, if I'm Teddy Bridgewater, that's the kind of place I'd want to go. I'd, you know, yo, the team's pretty good. If this guy messes up, I get in, he messes up a lot. There's a good chance I might get in. He runs, he might get hurt. I mean, that would be one I'd look at. Who's the next one up? Marcus Mariota.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uhm, I, I know that does not seem like the right fit. I'm going to go with the Chargers for Marcus Mariota. That would be my pick number one. He backs up Tyrod Taylor. He's got a following on the West Coast as is anyway. Maybe it works out. They take a shot in him. If he does get in there, maybe they could find a quarterback of the future. I would go Chargers one, Raiders two.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but yes, I think ultimately I would say if I had to, yes, choose anywhere, that would make a lot of sense for Andy Dalton. I think the Bears, and I do think New England will be in play for him as well. Okay. Alright. Good, let's do it.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's hit up, let's hit up some pass rushers. Alright, there's the, it's to me, uhm, one of the-


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[Assistant] We will move faster. Okay. So pass rushers, interesting position this year. First off, there is a plethora of pass rushers available. Some big time playmakers. I mean big time game changing type players. Okay. So you have those guys and then what we've talked about you and I a few times here is


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[Assistant] We have a lot, the teams that have a ton of money to spend in free agency.


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[Assistant] So I'm expecting a frenzy as far as money being thrown out there, everything like that, uh, as far as the defensive end market goes. And you know, here's a, here's a list there. Like, I don't even know. Do we have Eric Armstead on there on that list there?


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[Assistant] Yeah, but so, like, there's also those guys who I know we're not counting as a DM, but he's kind of a hybrid guy, plays defense and plays defensive tackle. So you could even throw him into that list if we had to. Here's the defensive tackles. You know, Armstead and Chris Jones at the top of that list, Mike, as you know, are two guys who could play defensive end and defensive tackle.


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[Assistant] You know, they have the size of demons and tackles, but the athleticism


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[Assistant] Of a defense end to go along with it and that's where they're special and they're going to be able to command.


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[Assistant] A whole lot of money. Alright, so let's start off with like the big ones. Alright, the big ones I think that like lead the list. Alright, there's three names that jump out to me.


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[Assistant] Alright, well let's start off with these two. Chris Jones, Yannick, and Gokwe. Thoughts on both of those. I think we both realize they're gonna be tagged. Do we think both will be traded? Or how do you think this shakes down?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I-I-I agreed all the way. No way Chris Jones gets out of Kansas City. I mean, he's a draft pick of theirs. He's homegrown that way. And, you know, you-you could argue the last six, seven weeks of the year when Chris Jones is healthy,


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[Assistant] He is with the Jacksonville Jaguars when all said and done. And then really just becomes who is the teams that are going to have action for him? That's where it's going to be interesting. Who's a team that will be looking to trade?


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[Assistant] I mean, the Seahawks, I look at them and go, damn, they gave up Frank Clark last year for a tag and trade deal to the Kansas City Chiefs. I wouldn't be shocked if they were involved with Yannick Ngocwe with the same type of thing, how they dealt with Frank Clark.


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[Assistant] You know, one, Yannick N'Gokwe coming from Jacksonville, that's the Seattle defensive scheme that we've talked about so much. So there's going to be familiarity there. They're going to be able to see him on film executing the things that they do defensively and go, oh, he fits. This could be our next Cliff Averill when we are making Super Bowl runs or that type of guy.


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[Assistant] So, I would think there's plenty of action out there.


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[Assistant] Uh, for a guy like Yannick and Gotkway on the trade market to go with it.


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[Assistant] I agree. Okay, good, he agrees. You concur. Thank you for concurring. I concur. Now, tag yes or no is what we're gonna play here, okay? Tag yes or no, alright?


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[Assistant] Shaquille Barrett, Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Tag. Yes, tag all the way, right? Tag, get a long term deal done. I don't think there's any way he's leaving the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You agree with that, right?


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[Assistant] Agreed. Okay, and they have a ton of money, so they should be able to, if they wanna splash the pot a little bit.


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[Assistant] Uhm, they can do that and maybe, you know, make it rain just a little bit more than the rest of the teams out there. Alright, the next one that's really interesting. Eric Armstead. The 49ers. Not in great cap situation. DeForest Buckner contract on the horizon.


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[Assistant] Jimmy Ward, who what I would argue is in the convo for one of the best free safeties in all of football is a free agent. They have some balancing to do big time, let alone guys like Emmanuel Sanders are free on the offensive side of the ball. What do you think goes down with Eric Armstead?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I-I-I-I-I-I think I agree with you there, uhm.


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[Assistant] I do think part of that conversation with Armstead though...


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[Assistant] I'm sure the 49ers would like to- Buckner's the better player over Armstead. But I just, you know, do the 49ers have an inkling of what DeForest Buckner might want contract-wise, you know, commanding there?


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[Assistant] If they feel like, oh my gosh, he's trying to be one of the two or three highest paid players at his position in all football.


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[Assistant] Then I, you know, I don't know. Then, then I can see, okay, maybe they just-


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[Assistant] I think that's probably the route I would go. I mean, yes, and the 49ers don't have a lot of money to play with as we know, but, uh, yeah, that's probably where I would tend to. They got some tough decisions to make. There's no doubt about it because we don't even know.


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[Assistant] If Tom Brady went there and what they want to do with Jimmy Ward and all those things to go along with it. All right. Bud Dupree.


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[Assistant] Bud Dupree, one of the best outside linebackers in football last year, had one of those contract years where it certainly was better than the rest of his career. Good player. We know that's special to that Pittsburgh Steelers defense. Tag, yes or no?


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[Assistant] Yeah, they do have an eye for it as we've talked about it a lot. They are phenomenal at finding those big physical freaks there. I'm still not going to put it out of the realm of possibilities. They find some way.


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[Assistant] To get a long-term deal done or something before the franchise tag deadline. I do think it's a player they really want to keep, but the Steelers are another one of those teams that


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[Assistant] You know, they're in a tough spot. It's just, I don't, I don't know how they could do it. They're gonna, if they do franchise tag them, I mean the Steelers as of right now are over the salary cap.


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[Assistant] So, I just don't know how they would pull that off. They'd have to do some serious juggling, uh, within the


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[Assistant] Dante Fowler, Los Angeles Rams. They got some issues. I mean, Michael Brockers is a free agent. We know that. He's gone. See you later. Jalen Ramsey, I mean, they traded the farm to get him. At some point, they're going to have to pay him this off season, uh, I would think, or at least going into the season at some point. What do you think happens with Dante Fowler Jr.?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I agree. I mean, I just, I don't think you can franchise them, you know, whether you want to say outside linebacker DN, we're talking about allotting what? 15 to 18 million dollars, right? Somewhere in that range, if you're going to franchise them. Again, the Ram's not in great salary cap position, not horrible.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but I'm with you. You know, these, these tend to be guys that...


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[Assistant] You know, the Rams, I just wonder, you know, again, I think this would be somebody they're gonna try to find some sort of long-term deal with that works best for both, but I don't know if I could come to terms with...


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[Assistant] Giving a guy, can you, would you give Dante Fowler like D. Ford type of money, right? 17 million a year, that type of money. Would you do that Mike Floria? I think that's, that's the big question. He's very similar to D. Ford, had some knee issues, you know, has had all that too to go along with it.


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[Assistant] Uhm, do you want to pay him that long-term money and maybe risk, you know, him being banged up a little bit?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I get you. I think Bud Dupree, Dante Fowler Jr. are two guys that, you're right, I think are going to get overpaid on the open market. Again, because if you talk about the teams who need pass rushers, right, difference makers, they got money.


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[Assistant] You know, you know, whether it's the Bucks, the Seahawks, the Eagles have decent money. I would think they're in the conversation for a pass rusher. Okay. And then when you hit some of the teams in the AFC, I mean, you just, the Buffalo Bills, the Buffalo Bills need a difference making pass rusher. That's what they need. They got so much money. I would think they're going to be willing to pay one of those guys big time.


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[Assistant] To come in there. The Houston Texans. I mean, they, they, they, JJ Watts not getting younger. They, they're a team that's missing difference makers on the front seven. They got a ton of money. The New York Jets. There is a lot of teams when you talk about the need for past the New York Giants are in the top five.


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[Assistant] They need to pass rusher dearly. So someone is going to pay big bucks for one of those guys and I'm with you. I don't think Dante Fowler Jr. I would, uh, tag him either. All right, Matt Judon, Baltimore Ravens. He's another guy just kind of right there in that list.


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[Assistant] He's been a little more consistent maybe than the other two guys that we've just mentioned. Uhm, if you're Baltimore, do you tag Matt Judod?


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[Assistant] That's what they're gonna do with Judon. Yeah, I would not be surprised. I'm gonna say they tag him. I'm gonna go the tag route with Judon.


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[Assistant] I think they'll have a hard time letting a Judon out of the building. I think they tag him and get some sort of deal done. Now, let's go to the marquee guy of this discussion. We haven't even talked about him. Jadevion Clowney. Jadevion Clowney.


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[Assistant] Uh, I, I think you agree with me here, uh, is, is the, is the best edge guy on the market. I don't give a shit what his fucking sacks are or anything like that.


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[Assistant] As you know, as I know, when we watch games of Jadevion Clowney, he is one of the kings of the play up. I mean, that's what he does. Now there's injury concern. What would you do? How would you work out a contract with Jadevion Clowney? How much money do you think he is going to be able to command on the open market, Mike? Here's the reality of what's going


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[Assistant] Yeah, they do, and you know, he deserves to be that kind of player. He's in that kind of class as far as a player. Uh, I'm with you. I don't know.


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[Assistant] You know, I get 18, 19 million dollars a year. I'm with you with a, a long term. I think this is how they're going to have to sell it with J.W. Unclyney with the injury history, with the bone on bone, the micro fracture and his history and all of that.


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[Assistant] I think that you're going to have to have a type of deal where it's a five or six year deal, but the team can get out of it after the second or maybe third year. I think that's just how it's going to have to be orchestrated to protect the team. He just misses too many games and the injuries that he have


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[Assistant] Those type of injuries are career shorteners and that's where he's still awesome. He's a hell of a player, but I would worry about what he might look like three years from now, especially


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[Assistant] Out of all these guys that we talked about are really good players. Jadevion Connie has the least regard for his body out of all of them. He throws himself around like a maniac, and that's why we love playing him. And again, to the point,


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[Assistant] You know, the teams that have this need, they have a boatload of money to spend. And I think that yes, you're right. Somebody is going to pony up the money to get him in there to be a difference maker. All right. Let's hit the secondary a little bit.


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[Assistant] Cornerbacks, interesting market, alright. I even want to hit on the safeties, just a quick, quick, quick snippet there.


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[Assistant] As we know, here's the, here's the list. If you're watching on YouTube, Chris Harris Jr, Byron Jones, James Bradbury, Logan Ryan, Trey Waynes, Brian Poole, Bradley Roby, Eli Apple are the corners that are the marquee names. Then you got guys like Jimmy Smith.


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[Assistant] Wow, good player, but Ben Hur, Kendall Fuller, Mackenzie Alexander, Ronald Darby, Bershad Rieland, DarkestDenard, and Tramon Williams. All right. Best available cornerback you think is?


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[Assistant] Yeah, listen, he's gonna have great need. And you know, yes, to your point, yes, he's a nickel slot all the way, that kind of cover corner. He's amazing there. I would think there's a number of teams, you know, in the market for Chris Harris Jr. One, because of his age, you're not gonna have to sign him to anything really long term.


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[Assistant] I think somebody out there is going to spend big money. When healthy, Mike, and I go back and watch these free agents and watch them when they're healthy and do all that.


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[Assistant] Byron Jones is in the convo for one of the best corners in football. Now he's had a few injury issues and we know that.


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[Assistant] Man, he has all those tools. He's built like a Jalen Ramsey. He can run like a Jalen Ramsey. And that's where he's special. The question is, who is that team that's going to pony up the money? To me, again, I look at a team like the Indianapolis Colts and go, they need a premier shutdown corner. They need somebody.


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[Assistant] You know, they just, oh, last year it was a big moment. Could they stop DeAndre Hopkins? No, they couldn't. You know, they don't have a guy that can ever match up with the other team's best guy in key moments to stop an offense. So I would imagine that Byron Jones


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[Assistant] He has a chance to, I think, be the highest paid corner in the history of the sport.


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[Assistant] I think he might one up Xavier Howard here in free agency and be that guy. The question is just where does he end up? My money would be Colts. That's in the conversation. The Giants, they certainly have a need for it. You could say the Houston Texans are in that conversation.


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[Assistant] You know, there, there is a lot of teams that are needy at the position that have some money. The Detroit Lions, we don't know what happens with Darius Slay. You know, okay, well.


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[Assistant] I hear you. I mean, you're spot on. I just don't know if that holds true with this conversation. You know, the Cowboys, they can only pay so many guys a hundred million dollars. So, you know, they've, they've spent a lot of money. And of course we know they have more money to spend here with Dak Prescott and Omari Cooper.


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[Assistant] Alright, yeaah, we're gonna miss off, but they just can't do it. They, you know, the one thing we could say about the Jones family, they've been


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[Assistant] Yep. All right. Here, I want to hit on the safeties real quick because I just think it's an interesting conversation.


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[Assistant] Yep. Okay. You got Anthony Harris of your Minnesota Vikings, who had a phenomenal year. Devon McCourty. I mean, damn, he's Borderline Hall of Fame free safety. He's going to be out there. You know, Carl Joseph, Rodney McCloud.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Malcolm Jenkins says he's not playing unless he gets a new deal.


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[Assistant] You almost throw him into the mix here, but anybody there that jumps off to you. First off, you know, I know


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[Assistant] Anthony Harris is at the top of the list there. I would not put Anthony Harris as much as I like him.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, well yeaah, you know, I don't disagree there, that's, you know, maybe that's where the Raiders come into play, or somebody like that, uhm, you know, with a similar system to Zimmer, but I'm with you, I don't think he stays there. I do think...


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[Assistant] That the Broncos will ultimately decide to tag Justin Simmons.


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[Assistant] And the one I'm most intrigued by is Jimmy Ward, as we've talked about a lot. Jimmy Ward to me,


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[Assistant] Is kind of that guy that everybody's looking for in football right now. He, his, his skillset is very honey badger-ish.


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[Assistant] He's similar to that guy. If you need him to play corner, he could. He can play nickel. He can play strong safety. He can play free safety. He really...


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[Assistant] Is a big time player and that's where I think the 49ers with their cap situation, some of the players they got available in free agency. Man, that's going to be a tough decision to see what happens there because I think somebody will break, break the bank.


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[Assistant] For a Jimmy Ward and maybe make him, you know, the highest paid safety in football or somewhere close to it. Uhm, alright.


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[Assistant] Let's hit, let's hit two, two positions real quick. I want to hit wide receivers for sure. Maybe we get to running backs, alright? But wide receivers, alright?


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[Assistant] First question I got for you, Amari Cooper, right? We know he's going to be a free agent. It looks like it. I mean, maybe he gets franchise tag if some deal gets done with Dak Prescott. How much money do you think Amari Cooper gets on the open market?


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[Assistant] Gosh, I would be surprised if it went that high. I would. I can't lie. I mean, I think it's definitely going to be north of 18. You know, again, this is to me where I think the NFL owners and stuff got to put things like into perspective. We can't always let the new guy always get more. Like Amari Cooper doesn't deserve to be paid like Michael Thomas.


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[Assistant] I know, I know. Go get him. I know, you're right. I just, you know, the owners, they collude about everything and that's stuff they don't want to collude, be collude, colluding about. And I think it would actually help players, but you know, either way, uh, yes, he is going to get north of 18 million in my opinion as well. And I think ultimately, even if he hits the free agent market,


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[Assistant] I think Dallas is gonna find a way to keep him because I think he wants to be in Dallas too.


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[Assistant] You know, I think he's found a little niche where he feels comfortably, you know, physically, emotionally, mentally, everything there in Dallas. So, that'll be something to keep our eyes on. Now, AJ Green is the other huge talking point of the wide receiver discussion, right? You know, we're gonna tag him by all accounts, I would think.


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[Assistant] I, you know, when I'll lead this off, the question being should the bangles keep him or trade him, I would trade AJ Green.


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[Assistant] As you just talked about, there's a ton of wide receivers in the draft. You know, you're gonna get Joe Burrow. I would start trying to build something for the future around Joe Burrow as long as he's okay with that. You know, I mean, if Joe Burrow is so adamant that, oh my gosh, you gotta have AJ Green, then that would, you know, I don't know, that would maybe


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[Assistant] Throw a curve on, curveball the things, but, uh, I personally would try to look to trade in AJ Green at this point of his career and start a new era in Cincinnati.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I hear you and that makes me wonder what the trade market will be like, because I think teams are going to question that, but I'm with you as well. I would be tagging and trading him all the way and try to do it before the draft. I would do acquire assets, go from there. I think ultimately, you know,


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[Assistant] Teams are going to, there's going to be a market for AJ Green to where if you do decide you want to trade him, I think you can get two or three teams involved in the conversation to help drive up the price and they could probably get close to what they really want for him. So that'll be interesting. All right. Now, when you talk about the rest of the wide receiver in court, like the best of the rest,


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[Assistant] Who's the guy that jumps out to you? Rashad Perryman, Randall Cobb, Emmanuel Sanders, Nelson Aguilar.


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[Assistant] Devin Funches, Robbie Anderson from the New York Jets, Demarcus Robinson. Who's the next guy that kind of makes Mike Florio perk up when you hear his name?


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[Assistant] Yeah, Sanders, I think, you know, is going to find a spot. He's going to, you know, you want to find, he's going to try to, the team that's going to want him is going to want to be a team that's like in the wind mode right now. I wouldn't be shocked if he ended up in New England with all said and done.


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[Assistant] I know they liked him when I was working there. They've always had a thing for Emmanuel Sanders, and I think he would fit that. Uh, not necessarily a guy you want to commit a lot of years to, because you mentioned the age thing is real. Two guys that jump out to me.


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[Assistant] Robbie Anderson, who, you know, I'm not necessarily a fan of him off the field with the few issues he's had, which bother me, okay.


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[Assistant] There's no denying the guy can fly. He can take the top off of a defense as we talk about a lot. He is that type of guy. There's going to be a market for him. Another one on the list that jumps out to me is Demarcus Robinson. I don't think, I think Demarcus Robinson can be a NFL team's really good number two wide receiver. You know, he's tall, he can run.


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[Assistant] He adjusted the ball well. He's got a lot of things to like, got overshadowed in Kansas City's offense because they have a lot of different weapons and they just can't get him the ball as much. But I think if he went somewhere and became a number, he'd be a good number too and he could put stats up to easily justify that. That would be guy that I would look at Chris under the radar, good value.


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[Assistant] If they would move on from Sammy Watkins. Yeah, which I think ultimately we all expect them to move on from Sammy Watkins. He's not worth $16 million a year for the production he's putting out, but you're right. I think they move on from him and I wouldn't be surprised if they threw some cash into Marcus Robinson, make him happy. And then, yeah, you got a few more years to let McColl-Hardman develop and not have to necessarily put the pressure on him


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[Assistant] Right now to be the number two wide receiver. That's what would make sense to me.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I-I hear that all the way. Alright, uh, Derek Henry.


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[Assistant] What kind of money do you think he should get? What are you thinking here?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I, you know, I don't see like him signing for any type of deal that's like earth shattering. They're like,


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[Assistant] Some crazy number. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if he signed for less than what Ezekiel Elliott has, really. I mean, I think you can make that argument to what you're saying.


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[Assistant] Very disappointing performances out of all those guys in the top five. None of them really can justify what they're being paid right now. Gurley looked like he was on his way to doing that, but then of course the knee issues arose and, uh, it's scary. Now you made the point.


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[Assistant] No, I think that's fair. You're right. You know, again, I think that you're going to have to correct yourself a little bit here. I would think there might be some teams out there that pan, but you're right. I don't think that on the open market, he's going to go and people are going to go, oh my gosh, we'll give him 16 million right now. Sign deal. Bam. Boom. Like right out the beat. No, I'm with you. I don't.


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[Assistant] I think teams are going to continue to be smarter about this. I know they are. I've talked to too many people where it's just scary. And even going into last year with the levy on belt conversations and coaches I talked to there, you know, yeah, I think that honestly we could see top tier running backs get paid less here the next few years than what we've saw in the last two or three years. Now the best of the rest.


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[Assistant] I wish the NFL would just come up with some formula with NFL running backs to compensate them anyways, regardless, right? Well, like maybe, maybe, you know, only their, their salary only counts against 80% of the salary cap or something like that. I mean, it's physical abuse what they go through at times with some of these teams and it's not fair to them.


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[Assistant] Uh, and it's not, and their careers are over in a blink of an eye. So, yeaah, it's a little troubling all the way with it. I'm with you there with Derek Henry. Now, the best of the rest, alright? The best of the rest. You know, Melvin Gordon, Kenyon Drake.


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[Assistant] Jordan Howard, Carlos Hyde are involved. One guy we're missing on this list that I think deserves to be on here. No disrespect.


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[Assistant] To Shereen, Lamar Miller. I would say Lamar Miller would be above Carlos Hyde for me. He'd be more in the Kenyon Drake territory. He got hurt last year, I get that. Uhm, but I think he is a guy that will have some play. Who sticks out to you there more than anybody?


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[Assistant] Yep, saw the production and I think his value in the open market's gonna be real because, you know, a point we've both talked about here a few times.


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[Assistant] Is, he didn't get the ball that much in Miami. I mean, you wanna talk about a guy that's, you know, as close as you're gonna get to a spring chicken.


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[Assistant] You know, as far as year five in his career as a running back, uh, Drake would, would be that guy. And you're right. He's awesome in the run game and the pass game alike. And I would think there's some play for him there all the way. All right. We're going to wrap up. We didn't get to offense alignment. I do think there's some interesting conversations there, but we'll do that at another time. Uh, and.


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[Assistant] But it was always fun, Mike, PFTPM, Chris Sims on Button, joint collaboration. Like I said, to start the show, Wednesday podcast for Chris Sims on Button, Paul Burmeister. We're going to break down some football stuff.


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[Assistant] Colcomet and Jalen Hurst. Thursday, I got my normal podcast with big.


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[Assistant] I think Ahmaud Farid's gonna be there and we'll break up, we'll break down everything going on in the NFL. Anything you wanna plug here before we go?


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[Assistant] Hey, wrote it good, okay? Don't be st-st-st-stupid. Wrote it good, okay? Alright everybody, peace out. We're done, see ya. Later.


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[Assistant] Yo yo, what's up? Come on man, subscribe on YouTube to Chris Simms Unbuttoned Podcast. I need you, please hit the subscribe button, please!


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[Assistant] I knew Pete was gonna pick that moment. He loves when I talk about being a bidet guy. I should have seen that.


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[Assistant] You were, you were in front of the fireplace and the doors deep in the background. And after I think two weeks, your wife said, no more, go to a different part of our house. You changed. And so I had to, I had to copy you, Chris.


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[Assistant] So that's Lou Whitaker, my favorite baseball player growing up Detroit Tiger, uh, double play combination with Alan Trammell, uh, should be in the hall of fame. It's a travesty. He's not. You look at his numbers. He's there up there with any other second baseman that's in. So yep. Representing Michigan. I want to give a little flavor.


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[Assistant] Probably a good idea. So we will reveal five more. We'll go 35 through 31. So we're going to do that on the show. You're right. Big Phil, your dad's going to talk about a few topics that interest him as well. Uh, but first, yeah, let's get to the reaction to those first five. He got, uh, a rookie, a couple of young quarterbacks. Actually, they're all pretty young quarterbacks except for Taysom Hill.


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[Assistant] Uh, who's getting up there, although hasn't had the experience quite yet. We'll start with Tua. And this one comes from Finn's Insider Hulk.


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[Assistant] Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't every single player that was draft eligible from Joe Burrow's offense get drafted? What will he do without all that talent? So he must be thinking that Tua played with less talent than Joe Burrow, and so Tua should be higher on your list because of that.


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[Assistant] Hypocritics, uh, wanted to chime in as well onto, uh, and, and Pete told us too, Pete Demilliman-Lytus, uh, informed us that Miami Dolphin fans were, were throwing some heat your way. They're, they're very excited about their quarterback and they will take, uh,


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[Assistant] They will take no insults to Tua, even though 40 is still pretty good if you haven't played a snap in the NFL. Uh, Hypocritic says, Tua's ball placement made him elite. One could argue he elevated the play of his wide receivers. Yes, they are physically gifted at wide receiver, but ball placement translates to the NFL, even if your wide receivers aren't world beaters. What do you think about Tua's ball placement?


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[Assistant] To be honest, a lot of people, a lot of Miami fans were upset that you had him so low. After hearing you talk about him before the draft, I'm a little surprised you had him in the top 40 because you didn't love, love him coming into the draft. And so.


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[Assistant] Uh, KingHTTR, hail to the Redskins. There was nothing in Haskins rookie season that would warrant having 38 other quarterbacks in front of him. He was just in his first year on a crap team with a lame duck staff. And then Glory2Glorzo says, even if you weren't sold on Haskins,


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[Assistant] 39 is wrong. He played well enough in his final two games to warrant a higher ranking. So it was two games at the end of the season, did play pretty well, might've been the best two games for Haskins in his season. Uhm, I guess I can see if you were high on Dwayne Haskins last year, how do you drop him down? But you weren't necessarily very high on Dwayne coming into the year last year.


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[Assistant] Pete got in my ear and said that you do think that he, before you said it, that he could be a top 20 quarterback. And that freaked me out that Pete can now get in our ears. Did you know that?


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[Assistant] We're getting, we're getting way too advanced at this whole at home thing. We need to get back in the studio. It's starting to freak me out.


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[Assistant] A dog named Baron. Got a bone to pick with you.


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[Assistant] Who agrees with something you said? Uh, I'm sure there are more out there. They just didn't want to chime in on social media. Just one! It was about Taysom Hill. There was some pushback on Taysom Hill. You were right.


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[Assistant] And a year later are gonna realize the rankings were right. Wow!


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[Assistant] Was that you? Did you make a separate account just to tweet that out, Chris?


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[Assistant] You are one of the ten voices on your Twitter account, for sure.


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[Assistant] And when you're wrong, you will admit it. All right. You're ready to get into the list again, reveal some new quarterbacks on the top 40. So you had Brady at nine last year. He is gone from new England, which leads us to number 35, perhaps the heir apparent Chris.


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[Assistant] And I love, I love your, uh, Tony Romo comp to him because you with Mike showed some highlights, uh, from the preseason this past year of Stidham. And it really, it does look a lot like Tony Romo in the way he moves even his athletic ability.


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[Assistant] And I thought it was interesting too, Chris, looking up, he was a fourth round pick. And some people may think like, oh, this under the radar guy. He was very highly recruited out of high school, had a lot of the tools, was a top 100.


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[Assistant] Uh, offers from Alabama, Auburn, Verizon coming out of high school in Texas there. And so it's not like he just all of a sudden popped up, um, at the end of college. And in fact, it was the opposite Chris. Maybe part of the reason why he was a fourth round pick is that last year in Auburn was, was not great for him, especially in some big.


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[Assistant] Last year on the field, Jarrett Stidham threw all of four passes. Two were to his team. One was to the other team. He did throw an intersection. So here's the, here's the depth chart. You got Stidham, you got Brian Hoyer, you got Brian Lewerke. You saw a couple of Michigan State guys behind Stidham there.


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[Assistant] Uh, Rob Ninkovic is doing the media tour, former Patriot. And this is, when I searched for, uh, Brian Hoyer and Jarrett Stidham, man, Rob Ninkovic came up and basically every story, there's not a whole lot going on out there. We're just basically writing stories about what he said, but he thinks Hoyer is going to be the starter. And I think he's probably not alone in people thinking like, okay.


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[Assistant] Do you see that as at least a sliver of possibility?


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[Assistant] I always saw, I saw him play in high school. I was working in the Hampton roads, Norfolk Hampton area and he did, he let it fly in high school, went to Virginia Tech and let it fly there as well. And so my question always to Chris was whether is, is he not doing it because he doesn't want to make the big mistake or has he been told that the only point of the matter.


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[Assistant] So here's a tweet, Chris, that, uh, that Pete sent us from NFL network reporter, Tom Pelicero saying that there was no official vote on the fourth and 15 proposal, but they did take a virtual show of hands.


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[Assistant] And it did not have the support to pass at this time. A bold idea that would have needed 24 of 32 votes expected


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[Assistant] To come up again. So, uh, next year perhaps. And I heard you talking about it with Mike, uh, on PFT today. And there was one interesting element that people have made a lot of. Is it an untimed down? Is it a timed down? What does that mean? What are the unintended consequences of that?


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[Assistant] And one scenario that Mike threw at you was that a team could be down 16 points, score with one second left, get the two point conversion.


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[Assistant] Do the untimed 4th and 15 play. Get it down to the 50 yard line. Then you got one second to try to get in the end zone again.


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[Assistant] Theoretically, you could come back from 16 points down with just one second on the clock if this, uh, rule was passed the way it was and you weren't so psyched about that idea.


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[Assistant] I give a lot of credit for the NFL for thinking about it because some other sports don't, don't always do that. And especially when you're the king, you think you don't need to change anything. And I give them a lot of credit for trying to figure out ways the onsite kick with the rules of the onsite kick and the kickoff. It's, it's really made it non-existent. And I saw a stat out there that in the last couple of years.


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[Assistant] In non-surprise onside kick situations when it's expected, teams are 0 for 104 in getting the ball back.


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[Assistant] Pete has fact checked me, Phil and Chris here. So I was, I was citing Michael Lopez, who's in the data analytics department at the NFL. If you can't trust him, who can you trust?


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[Assistant] That team lost a hundred and four times. And so it didn't, it wasn't effective. It was not effective in taking a team who was losing and giving them a victory any of the last two years. So yeah. Question why you haven't.


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[Assistant] You know, they had these virtual a show of hands today for these rulings and it's just such a different time. And I know there's certain sports that are talking about how the players get back to getting on the field, how they feel safe of it.


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[Assistant] I'm just curious to, to, to hear Phil, your, your opinion, say it was, this was happening back when you were with the giants and you were in your prime. How would you handle it? And what would your thought process be about getting back on the field? Good question.


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[Assistant] It'll be reduced and you have to take a significant pay cut because we're not having fans there. I don't, I haven't heard anything like that with the NFL at this point, but that could be a decision that some players have to make. Are you willing to play in these, in this environment for reduced salary?


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[Assistant] They got, they got problems. They got issues. And they, well, here's the, here's the, the.


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[Assistant] The, uh, the thing about the baseball players association and major league baseball, they couldn't get along when times were good. When actually it was probably easier to divvy up $10 billion in revenue between the teams.


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[Assistant] So to expect them to be able to figure it out when times are not good and people have to make joint sacrifices I think is a little bit of a pipe dream there. And it could be different in the NFL. That's an interesting perspective.


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[Assistant] Uh, you wanna fire up the top 40 again here? Phil, you wanna stick around as we continue the top 40 for a bit?


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[Assistant] I'll give you one because this one's an interesting one that I can't wait to hear you both talk about. Uh, we're up to 33 in the Chris Sims top 40 countdown with some consultation with his father. Uh, 33 who you got Chris?


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[Assistant] So lemme throw this, cause you gotta talk about turnovers obviously when you talk about Jameis Winston, the 30 interceptions last year, everyone talks about that.


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[Assistant] Did only have 14 the previous year and that 30 was by far his career high. So it's not like he's necessarily doing that every year. But when we talked about his turnovers before, a couple of weeks ago, Chris, you brought up the faculty fumbles a lot and you have to take a look at the fumbles, not just the interceptions for Jamis Winston.


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[Assistant] So I looked at the fumbles and last year he had 12, which was the sixth most in the NFL. Carson Wentz actually had more than he did. He had, he had 16. He was second in the league. Daniel Jones was first with 18. But I look back since, since Jamus got in the league, who has the most fumbles in the NFL?


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[Assistant] And Jamus was tied for first. He has 50 fumbles.


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[Assistant] With Kurt Cousins. So Kurt Cousins and Jameis Winston fumbled the ball the most. And I didn't track how many were lost or recovered by himself. And I don't think it totally matters because sometimes that's just luck anyway. Uh, Carson Wentz was third right behind them. Then Russell Wilson, then Derek Carr. But guys, I found this interesting.


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[Assistant] The quarterback with the fewest fumbles since Jamus got in the league, minimum 50 games started. Who do you think that is? Do you guys have any idea who has fumbled? Not Tom Brady.


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[Assistant] He was, he was, he didn't fumble that much, but it was not Tom Brady.


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[Assistant] Drew Brees, he has just 20 fumbles in 73 games since Jameis got in the league. And so I was thinking, Hey, if Sean Payton can teach Jameis how to take care of the ball and not throw as many interceptions, who knows? Maybe Drew Brees can teach him how to hold onto the football, not fumble as much.


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[Assistant] He's hanging on for at least one more podcast where he's going to talk about the minority coach hiring suit. That's good. A little tease for, uh, for next Thursday with, with your dad. I'm glad we were able to incorporate him.


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[Assistant] And maybe won't too, cause there's still some projection with some of the rookie and first and second year quarterbacks out there. So last year with the Wayne Haskins in Washington.


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[Assistant] Philip Rivers, Tom Brady, Jared Goff, and you mentioned that 2017 season is best with Kevin Stavansky over there in Cleveland. Big reason why case is over there now. They gave him three years, $18 million, 10 million of that guaranteed. That's not insignificant.


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[Assistant] I mean, how, I mean, Baker Mayfield has talked about what a value case could be in helping him learn this offense. It's not going to be exactly like it was with, uh, with Kevin Stefanski in Minnesota, but I mean, there, there's a little pressure there because Case Keenum could do some things with those weapons they got in Cleveland. What do you think of that?


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[Assistant] Played college ball at Houston. I looked it up over on pro football reference. They say there have been seven quarterbacks to play in the NFL from Houston. How many can you name Chris?


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[Assistant] I knew he was going to be high up on your list. Although he was, what was he? What was he on your list last year? 28th on the list last year, so he has dropped down just a little bit.


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[Assistant] Quarterback battle in, uh, Cleveland? Perhaps. Maybe if Baker gets off to a slow start. There's certainly one in the place of your 31st ranked quarterback. Number 31 in your list, Chris.


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[Assistant] I asked you about an over under, uh, last time we were on the pod, I think about how many starts that Mitchell Trubisky would have on the year. What would you set the over under? And that's where you got into your discussion where you would give the job.


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[Assistant] Uhm, to Nick Foles to start the year, uhm, which is a great point, but you never answered my question. So how many starts over under you think for Mitchell Trubisky? Or do you think Nick Foles will take the job week one and run with it?


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[Assistant] How close can he ever get to what he did in 2013? That was his career year. Chip Kelly with the Eagles and he was only 24 years old then. He's 31 years old now, but that was the year he.


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[Assistant] Led the NFL in touchdown percentage yards per attempt. Uh, quarterback rating as well. Yeah. I mean, that was a, that was a huge year in a perfect offense. It seemed like for him.


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[Assistant] An open competition, Ryan Pace and Matt Nagy have already said that an open competition, which will take place on the field whenever they can actually go on the field. Nick Foles 31. All right, Chris, that was, uh, that was good. That's the end of our list today. We cannot reveal anymore, even though you're dad.


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[Assistant] Wanted to give away Andy Dalton's place on the list. He almost had a slip right there.


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[Assistant] I mean, it is good. Man, you are some professional. But what's up everybody? Hope everybody's good out there. We got a lot to hit on today on the podcast. As you know, uhm, we got the quarterback rankings. Most importantly, that's what we're going to be talking about.


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[Assistant] You know, like Ahmed said, we discussed this for two hours straight, the same topic, me and Mike Floria.


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[Assistant] So anyone out there that wants to see those type of videos, go to ProFootballTalk.com, go to Mike Florio's PFTPN podcast. All these clips are all out there. But nonetheless, we can't avoid the subject. It's the number one subject in our country. It's the number one subject in our sport. And it hits home. And listen.