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[Assistant] Uh, you know, for the, for the, uh, to, to rush four guys and play coverage and you're, you're relying on those four guys to get pressure on the quarterback. And you know, Miles has obviously banged up and didn't have a great game last week. So Darius is getting pressure on the quarterback, but he's not getting a lot of sacks. So those guys are going to have to get home, you know, early in the season, they were getting home. They were, Miles was getting a ton of sacks early in the season.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, so they're, they're gonna have to find a way to get pressure on the quarterback again because the last couple of weeks it's been a struggle and, uh, you know, that's why they've, they've given up quite a few points over the last few weeks as well.


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[Assistant] You show him one look, get him another. I think you do bring some pressure on him, uh, at times. Uh, you know, so I think it, I think it'll be a game plan where it's a nice mixture of, you know, pressure and cooperation, you know, not just doing, not just saying we're just going to come after him every play. I think you want to show him a little bit of both and try to confuse him because.


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[Assistant] And it's not just Brown's Broncos this weekend, it's also Ohio State versus Michigan and Tyvis Powell, who's never lost to Michigan in his career, is looking to keep that unbroken and undefeated streak perfect this weekend with his pick for the big game.


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[Assistant] Now I was just gonna say, we spoke about the defense and how the defense has allowed the Browns to stay in some games where the offense wasn't off the par. But this week, it may take a...


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[Assistant] I don't wanna say heroic, but a much better offensive performance and that-


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[Assistant] Comes with DTR being a little more aggressive than he was last week against Pittsburgh, so.


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[Assistant] Do you guys think he has that in him? And if so, how aggressive should the Browns be?


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[Assistant] Full benefit packages, paid time off, and designing bonus you can apply online at precast.com slash careers to learn more. But what's up next?


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[Assistant] Thanks, Bo. Well, we're here with our Ohio State Buckeye 2015 National Championship game. MVP is Tyvis Powell. He never lost to Michigan. That's correct. He has four pairs of gold pants. He might have more just because he likes to dress a little crazy. But as far as this rivalry goes, you have four pairs of gold pants. And Tyvis?


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[Assistant] A win may not mean as much without Jim Harbaugh on the sidelines. He's beaten the Buckeyes two years in a row. So how does that whole element change, if at all, what this game means for Ohio State?


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[Assistant] Is to beat Michigan, what has to happen on Saturday?


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[Assistant] Victory. It's more gruesome to watch than a Saw movie, but we'll take it.


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[Assistant] I pick a 13-9 win for the Cleveland Browns as they also, just like G said, improve to 8-3.


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[Assistant] Give me Ohio State 31 17, no stallions, no chance for the Michigan Wolverines. Wow.


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[Assistant] Fifth highest completion percentage in Bangos history. Yeaah. Like the kid balled out. He, he built his confidence. Yeaah. And now he believes that he can do whatever he has to do. Yeaah. To help lead the Bangos. At least to compete to get into the final playoffs.


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[Assistant] And if he played, he played, he was on the 17 and the 18 team.


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[Assistant] Wait, wait, wait, wait, because we always talk about the, you know, the wins, right? I'm a fan duel guy, you know, I play all the time. I've been missing Jay Bull one leg, man.


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[Assistant] By one leg, like the last three or four, I show Anthony every morning. One leg. So how many legs are you typically bedding? Anywhere five to eight. Okay, go four. You know.


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[Assistant] I think the Browns make the playoffs. I think this is a team that's proven all season that they can beat any team in the NFL.


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[Assistant] The problem is we just need all components moving into the right direction at the right time, right? We finally get serviceable quarterback play, and then the defense, you know, goes out here and take a crap, right? If we could get all three units playing well,


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[Assistant] You know, at the, at the same time as we get closer to the end of the season, then there's no question in my mind that we can't make the playoffs. And why?


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[Assistant] Because of that dude right there on the screen. Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco. Yeah. Joe Flacco, like, like, he succeeded every expectation that I had set for him Sunday against the Rams, right? I was one of the people who said I felt like it was the best overall performance from a quarterback this season. All-Stats Society was just little nuances inside the game that made me believe that.


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[Assistant] And I have no reason but to believe he's going to get better with each practice, each rep that he gets. Like Browning did. Right, more understanding of the playbook. He showed that he was a savvy veteran. He showed the elite arm strength. Hell yea, the Browns can make the playoffs. And then they've gotten some help, right? Look across the AFC landscape. I think Kansas City.


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[Assistant] Miami and Baltimore are the only teams ahead of us that still got their starting quarterback. So it's still wide open for the Cleveland Browns to be able to make some noise.


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[Assistant] This week I had the Cardinals upset the Pittsburgh Steelers. Now everybody know the Cardinals is not a good football team, but to me they looked better once Kyler Murray got back on the center. And so it's just weird when you look at this dynamic of, let's take the North for example, right?


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[Assistant] The Steelers beat the Rams, we lose to the Rams, we beat the Cardinals, they lose to the Cardinals. It's like every week in this AFC and the AFC North, anybody can get gotcha.


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[Assistant] I don't even know, he's been in the NFL six years, so it's not like he's a rookie, but this is a guy, this is not a guy that makes a lot of noise, right? I just gotta believe that Jim Shorts will be prepared to not let his defense after the performance they put on last week to lose to this dude.


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[Assistant] We talked about this on Behind the Glass last week, and I said that for me, you know, after the Steelers game, right, we're 7-3, and I literally broke this thing down, I looked at the entire AFC and said, okay, it's so tight, it's tough in this conference, this is now a seven game season, well duh. How can the Browns play in the last seven games? To me, you gotta go 5-2.


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[Assistant] You don't think that, I think that they can do it. I think that, again, when you look at the AFC, right, I'm worried about Miami, I'm worried about Baltimore, I'm worried about Kansas City.


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[Assistant] Alright, so look, percentage chance that the Browns go 5-0. Don't do it. After seeing Joe Flacco, uh, I took some of G. Bush's Kool-Aid. Uh-oh.


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[Assistant] They ain't going 5-0, bruh. They're not doing it. The bros is going 5-0. Nooo! You didn't do that! Book it. Percentage chance. 87%.


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[Assistant] I don't look ass ass if it don't happen because we're not playing good football, but if we somehow do it, I would be like, I told you. But it's funny though, before we move on, me and Mike was talking about it today, and he said, you know, if the playoffs started today, we would have to travel to Baltimore. And I think me and him said, I'd rather play Baltimore right now today than go play Kansas City.


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[Assistant] I put a poll up on the community tab yesterday and it said which quarterback for the Browns has had the best single season game so far. And the results vary. The funniest thing to us, PJ Walker got like 3% of the vote.


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[Assistant] I'm like, I'm like Mike, man, I owe this award an apology. You know, I kind of underestimated his level of importance to this football team. And for whatever reason, I kind of underestimated exactly how good he truly is when he is healthy.


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[Assistant] I think when Dizzle Ward is healthy, he's easily a top five cornerback in the entire NFL. You can clearly see exactly how important to his team that he is. I was one of the people who felt like, you know what?


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[Assistant] It's so much talent on this side of the ball. It's so much talent in the DB room that if either one of these dudes had to miss time for any reason that we had guys that can step up and it would still be business as usual. I think we've seen that, you know, Greg Newsome is more of a slot corner than an outside corner. And now even though my man MJ is great.


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[Assistant] Listen, I tried to talk myself into, okay, just because I don't see it in the stack column, doesn't mean they didn't play a good game.


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[Assistant] But the truth is, the last couple games I've watched, even though it's not been in the stack column,


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[Assistant] Where's this interior defensive line creating pressure? Now all of a sudden the run defense slipped the 15th in the lead and it's because the interior is not like generating enough pressure to get in the backfield to stop the runner back.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's true, but I'm sorry. I know y'all said I'm crazy for that five. I know you just seen that schedule. You just thought, okay, maybe four and one did, right? We lose the CJ's crowd. Four and one.


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[Assistant] I think man, have y'all ever seen me and Mike, man listen, we need a like, a behind the scenes of UCSS. You should see me and Mike scrambling upstairs when Anna's not available. Oh, I can only imagine. We keep everything basic on the graphic side. And you know what's funny is,


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[Assistant] Catch the football. I still thought their grade was way too low.


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[Assistant] 60 because he showed up. The other nine is because McVeigh still had the game plan for him. You're right. Yeah. So I mean, that's the 69. That's a 40. That's crazy.


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[Assistant] It's tough, man. It's tough. It's tough. It's just funny to me, man, because I remember...


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[Assistant] You are not him. I'm not saying he's Mike Hilton, but I'm just, I'm just saying. Let's not get crazy. Yeah, like I'm just saying he's good in the slot on the outside. No, I think what's crazy is the rookie Cam Mitchell has had more success on the outside than he has. If you just go back and you watch the games that he's played.


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[Assistant] This is going to sound crazy. This is just a question, maybe a crazy question. Is DeWine Jones a Pro Bowler?


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[Assistant] Mary Kay, hi. This is the first time we've talked like this. This is usually on the phone.


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[Assistant] It's good to see you. I'm doing great. Thank you. So we talk about, you know, Maury Cooper, uh, still to be, to be determined to field play or not. We've seen Elijah Moore have his best game as a Cleveland Brown.


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[Assistant] Last week, Amore talked about, uh, Joe Flacco being a wealth of knowledge. Somebody that you can pick their brain. I think Elijah Amore alluded to the same thing.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, Mary Kay speaking to star players with shoulder injuries. Miles Garrett was not really that effective in the game versus the Rams. Do you foresee him to continue to play through this injury or should the Cleveland Browns like consider sitting him for a week or two and let him heal up for the playoff line?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I've seen all that stuff on Twitter and on Instagram. I mean, for me, I have more of a problem with people having a problem with it.


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[Assistant] Anything that person does or do not do, it's gonna irritate you. It's gonna be annoying. And I'm becoming annoyed with people who find every little thing to pick at Deshaun Watson about. The man just had shoulder surgery. The man wanted to watch the game from the box. Well, Mary Kay just said it was a mandate by the Browns. But let's say if it wasn't, he wanted to watch the game from a box with his girlfriend.


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[Assistant] Even like with that, what bothered me with that, I think one of the biggest things that we do as adults, and I'm being real serious right now, is that we don't realize adult traumas. And people pleasing is one of the biggest adult traumas that we go through. We think that we're supposed to like just like succumb to everything that everybody else wants us to do.


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[Assistant] Show some love, went to the box so he wouldn't be a distraction on the football field. The cameras is going to find him anyway.


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[Assistant] Listen, way before Good Morning Football, I first met Kyle, I used to watch this reality TV show that used to come on MTV called Real World, and he was part of Real World Chicago.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I couldn't do it. Hey Joe, hindsight is always 20-20, right? But you look at Flacco and I heard all week about every player giving him ringing endorsements, speaking very highly of him, his football knowledge and just being able to sit and pick his brain, right?


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[Assistant] Andrew Berry probably should have had a veteran backup quarterback to start the season behind Deshaun Watson. Is this a learner lesson? Do you see the Cleveland Browns making sure that they have a veteran quarterback behind Deshaun Watson going forward next season and being beyond that?


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[Assistant] That's great. Hey, Joe, it's funny you said that because we were talking about that and I asked the guys if they thought Duann Jones was a pro bowler. So there's been rumors that the NFL wants the tush push gone. As a former offensive lineman, what's your thoughts on that play and should it be like something that's out of the NFL next year?


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[Assistant] I think that 2007 Cleveland Browns offense doesn't get the respect it deserved, right? That offense put up points after, of course, the Pittsburgh week, week one. Going forward, it was just like, sky's the limit.


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[Assistant] Where do you rank that, that Brown's offense of 07 against said offense's 2008 to now?


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[Assistant] That team is the best, in just my opinion, that's the best team that we've seen since 1999. Like, that offense was lights out all season, right?


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[Assistant] We should have locked up that playoff game, uh, in Cincinnati. We came home, and Joe noticed, we came home the very next week. We beat San Francisco, but I think we needed Indy to beat Tennessee. And at this time, this is when Peyton Manning was not playing week 17. And we needed help. We didn't control our own destiny. Who was it? Jim Sorge? Jim Sorge? Yeaah, my buddy.


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[Assistant] Welcome to the show, busy show today. In our 90 minutes, we're going to look at all kinds of things, Browns, Bears related, try to figure out who has the advantage in this matchup. Also, we're going to talk about a Bears defender that you probably don't know but should.


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[Assistant] And you likely will after Sunday's game. Uh, good morning, gentlemen. Anything you want to get off your chest to start? First of all, what about last night? How'd it go? Beautiful. Wait, wait, wait, before we do that.


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[Assistant] They may have got those tickets. That had nothing to do with us, so yeaah. It was super exciting. That's phenomenal. It was a great event, guys. Everybody was there. Uh, we had so much fun. We met a lot of fans that were very excited to meet everybody. What was the crowd like? What are we talking?


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[Assistant] Wow, well that's always a win. There was a lot of people there. What about, now what was the show like? Were you talking about the calves? Were you talking about the monsters?


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[Assistant] He had one question that he would keep reiterating. Uhm, he would go do like man on the street videos.


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[Assistant] He is still big. He had a niche, sort of a niche crowd that followed him platform to platform. But at one point someone told me he was a very healthy millionaire. Like in the multi, multi, multi millions. There was one family that joined us.


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[Assistant] Now let me ask you a question on that, because somebody asked me once, is it true that you have a makeup line? Yes. And I said, it is true. And I said it's also true that I think he either records or watches makeup tutorial videos.


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[Assistant] You asked Wifey, can I do a make-up makeover on you? Yea, yea, yea.


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[Assistant] I look at the Bears and I didn't think that highly of them. I said yesterday they're better than I thought they'd be because I thought they'd be Panthers and Patriots bad and they're a step above that. But then I mentioned earlier to some of the guys that I was on my podcast this morning, we did a crossover with the guy in Chicago, Dan McNeil, who's been covering


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[Assistant] You know, Chicago sports for a thousand years. And he was like, nah, the bears stink. He's, he's like, I expect the Browns to win by double digits.


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[Assistant] Uhm, he thinks they're a fraud, even for the games they've won recently. Even the, I mean, they've most recently beat and played well against the Lions. Yeaah, I know, and he, you know, he thinks the Lions are kinda coming apart here at the end of the season.


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[Assistant] But he does not give a lot of credibility to any of their wins outside of the Lions win. It's his opinion. But I look at the Bears, I think they're a below average team, a middling team at best.


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[Assistant] They're, you know, okay on defense. They got one or two guys. They're okay on offense. When Justin Fields plays great, they got a chance to win. If he's mediocre or worse, they've got no chance to win.


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[Assistant] So if you're, if you're in management then, you're using either the first or the fifth or wherever they end up. I think he's probably getting traded.


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[Assistant] Pittsburgh and Atlanta are said to be eyeballing him.


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[Assistant] Woooo! 42 nothing at halftime. Richard Sherman was half kidding, but half serious. He made the first comments in the halftime show.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because it's either or, I'm gonna go bad, uh, just because, you know, the old saying, you are what your record says you are, and for every win they have that could have been a loss, they probably have a loss that could have been a win.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna make this overarching statement about the NFL right now and see if you guys agree with this. I think all 32 teams are in two camps.


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[Assistant] There are the good teams that can play bad and there are the bad teams that can play good.


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[Assistant] We've seen the 49ers stub their toe for a three game stretch. Now we're watching the Philadelphia Eagles stub their toe during a three game stretch. The Cowboys inexplicably had an ugly loss to the Arizona Cardinals. What happened there?


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[Assistant] The more the cash register rings because those markets are all watching intently. What the league does not want is six good teams.


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[Assistant] 20 bad teams and 6 middling teams. What they have right now is 6 really good teams.


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[Assistant] Six really bad teams and 20 teams that can beat anybody on any given Sunday and


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[Assistant] So here's why I say that. I have to say, really good teams are teams that I say can win the Super Bowl. There's actually a bigger number than that in my mind this year. Yes, you've got the elites, and right now to me it's three.


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[Assistant] But you can also point to evidence on all three and say, are they really elite? Are they really good? Because they've shown, shown stretches this year where they haven't been. But Jay, every team, the best teams every year show, have times where they don't play well. Exactly. That's my point. That's exactly my point. So when we're trying to classify the Lions,


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[Assistant] No, I don't have them in my really good, clearly. Uh, they're very close to my really bad, but I think they're in the middle of those 20 teams. It was fascinating last night on Thursday Night Football on Amazon when they showed the two conference playoff pictures.


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[Assistant] There are, and we talked about this on the show yesterday, six teams at seven and six in the AFC.


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[Assistant] One seven and six in the playoff record, in the playoff hunt in the NFC and a host of six and sevens.


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[Assistant] So 7-6 in the AFC is to the NFC what 6-7 is. The AFC is way better top to bottom. Much more, uh, yeaah. But the NFC has the best teams right now. I agree with that. Now, it's also interesting because


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[Assistant] You know, the NFC teams are playing more NFC teams. You're playing the conference games, you're playing the divisional games.


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[Assistant] So I always ask this question during a regular season, for instance, like I do it in baseball as well, particularly when it was a weighted schedule so heavily. You know, how good are the Guardians? They're playing the Central a third of their games and the Central sucks.


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[Assistant] And then we would find out once they would intermingle in the playoffs.


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[Assistant] I don't know if the NFC has so many bad teams that the NFC elites have been beating up on them and bulking up their record. The case in the AFC Central to me, or AFC North to me, is everybody in that division is really good.


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[Assistant] And they're stacking up wins against other teams from other divisions that are not. And as a result, you've got a bunch of teams with 500 records and with playoff paths. I just think for me, the Lions, if I had to classify them,


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[Assistant] And that's what good teams do, but I just don't think they're a good team. And this is a game that for me, I know the line's closer than I would have it.


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[Assistant] They don't play- I rarely watch the Bears. ...in our conference, so... Yeaah, I-I-I just never heard of the guy before. I-you know, I saw he was a second round pick, 50th pick overall in 2020. He's had three pick-uh, four-


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[Assistant] Four picks this year, one for a touchdown. So the stats are pretty good. I mean, four pick, I know this guy, what's his name on the Cowboys, he's got like eight picks, but four picks in this day and age is pretty darn good.


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[Assistant] But it's hard to say, I mean, I guess I would, the guy seems to be having a great year and Amari Cooper's banged up right now. So I guess I'll give him the edge at the moment because Amari Cooper's injured and he's playing at a really high level this guy. You guys, okay?


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[Assistant] Bernie said yesterday, that's a thing. That's a real thing. When a receiver has an injury, they start hearing footsteps, seeing shadows, and it's understandable.


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[Assistant] And guys, Mark Cooper has a chance to make Brown's history this week.


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[Assistant] Certainly, even if he doesn't do it this week, we'll have a chance next week. He's 124 yards away from a thousand yards. Uh, if he gets to a thousand yards, he will become the first player in the history, in the entire history of the Cleveland Browns to have back-to-back thousand yard seasons. It's stunning.


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[Assistant] Quickly. Browns receivers all time or guardians outfielders last year. What's worse?


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[Assistant] Sure. But even in this era, they've brought in receivers that were previously great, that had flashes of it here, but couldn't sustain it. Well, but so far, Amari Cooper through two years. He's the outlier. So far. Yeah, it's nuts. It really is. Uh, give me Amari. All day, every day. I'm going to be just like Bull. When we asked this question, I literally said,


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[Assistant] Why don't I know that name if he's the number one rated corner in the NFL? Uhm, by PFF. They're dead to me.


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[Assistant] I know that it's a metric that we use as a yardstick, but I think that metric is broken. I, there's just too many outliers like you. I've asked a lot of players, even coaches about PFF and many of them laugh. Many of them say, yeah, well, if they only knew.


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[Assistant] And that's, to me, that's the bi- the biggest part of checkmarking.


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[Assistant] We gotta change the world currency. Now I know there's no other way to measure it. I wish PFF had a competitor. I wish someone else would rise from the ashes. No, not that does it in depth and has the reputation that they do.


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[Assistant] I just think, from my money, I also, by the way, I want to say this, I have had players that say, they're pretty damn good. They're pretty, they don't get all of it right, but sometimes they're dead on.


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[Assistant] So I think like anything else, it's not a science, but it's all we have, so we use it.


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[Assistant] Is he the best? I doubt it. Is he 25 points better than Denzel Ward? No.


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[Assistant] No way. And then, and again, that's just one more bit of evidence that I throw on my statement that PFF is dead to me. Come on. Denzel Ward or Jaylen, he might be a great player. He's not 25 points better than Denzel. I won't say they're dead to me. And I also think too, we talked with Bernie about this yesterday.


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[Assistant] I do think that there is a certain level of wide receiver PTSD that's going on right now.


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[Assistant] But I also think that Amari Cooper is a proud competitor.


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[Assistant] He's going to focus, he's going to go out there this week and he's going to have, I'm not going to say a monster game, but he's going to have a typical Amari Cooper game. I think he's going to be better at home. He is much better at home and we, we don't know why.


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[Assistant] By the way, have we ever talked about the Cavs, Ohio State, or the Guardians on Channel 3 yet?


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[Assistant] No. But we will once football season's over. I imagine. Yeah. Uh, can we go back to that picture with Bull and all this kuba ya arm in arm? Yeah. Bull, this looks like your son. I'm not saying Aaron, but I'm juxtaposing you today with the beard.


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[Assistant] You know how they always have the photos, Barack Obama when he was elected, Barack Obama when he left office. And you know, you're like, Oh my God, what happened? That's sort of like.


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[Assistant] We'll be happy to pay him an extra 4.05 million dollars. And I think it's a perfect structure for a contract. I'm sure he jumped at it. And once again, to his second question there, we asked yesterday, I asked after one start, do they need to sign this guy to an extension? Bernie, we asked yesterday, Bernie said, oh, in my mind, that's done.


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[Assistant] Okay, so I talked to somebody yesterday who covers this for a living, and I asked him that question because I wasn't sure. In my mind, I'm just, I have what I'm watching and I see what's happened to teams. Look what happened to the Chargers. I mean, that's just one example. I can give you five, I can give you ten.


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[Assistant] Is the market for backup quarterbacks going to go up next year?


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[Assistant] And it was a text conversation, so I can't, I can't imply anything. Absolutely was the answer.


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[Assistant] Then I said, why? And he said, just look around. Look what's going on.


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[Assistant] No, it's gonna be, and we've talked about this on the show because I've brought this up a number of times.


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[Assistant] And the guy's in the 30 to 33 year old range. Now, I know that does not include Flacco.


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[Assistant] But the league has collectively stamped guys done.


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[Assistant] Insignificant. They're all the same. We can rotate them in and out. The Browns, I think, are a perfect example of why that isn't true. I just think in the NJ there's no reason to panic.


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[Assistant] That's one guy! No, okay. He's always been a PJ Walker. Like, last night's a bad example because he played well. Aiden O'Connell versus Stick Easton.


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[Assistant] When you've got guys like PJ Walker starting, are you gonna tell me, really, that there haven't been guys in the last five years that have been flushed out of the league that had more experience, starting experience? This guy was in an off-brand league.


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[Assistant] And here's my point. The vertebrae, to my point, is this. We've sat on this show before and said, well, the fact of the matter is, if Sean Watts gets hurt, our season's over. No!


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[Assistant] That's not true. And it's certainly not true in Cincinnati. And the reason I bring that up.


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[Assistant] I think that your guy Browning is gonna be a perfect example of what we might see moving forward. By the way, I do like the fact that the Browns have


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[Assistant] Drafted DTR and sorta put their flag in the idea. He's that guy.


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[Assistant] We all agree on this. It is the most important position, not just in football. I've always said it's the most important position in sports.


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[Assistant] And I, am I wrong on that? Nope. So why would you spend as a franchise


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[Assistant] 45 million dollars on that position, but not have a solid insurance policy as a backup. Because until this year, and we'll see how it pans out in the playoffs, once your quarterback, your backup quarterback came in, in most cases, you were done. And we'll see what happens. It's been a weird year so far with a...


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[Assistant] It's going to be higher next year. It just is.


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[Assistant] No, it's not an either or. No, it is. It's an either or. It is. You know what it does? It puts a bigger spotlight on redoing contracts like Conklin. Like, what?


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[Assistant] We all agree it's the most important position in sports. We go all in to an inordinate percentage of your team's salary cap on said player.


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[Assistant] As he has each of the last few seasons. He could get injured. Yea. And that could be that. But what I'm saying is, so much is at stake here, guys. Yea. I watched the Chargers last night. I get it. Their season's over, what's the difference? I know it is, but they, without their guy,


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[Assistant] I watched a team that literally, this was embarrassing. This was the worst thing I've seen on an NFL field all year. Except for when the Broncos lost to the Dolphins. Give them seven.


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[Assistant] They quit on them. Yeaah, I mean, I don't really care about the Chargers. I'm just saying, there's no, to me there's just no rush. I agree. Let me ask you this. Do you think the Chargers last night would have said if they had a button that they could push magically? Easton Snick or Joe Flacco?


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[Assistant] Exactly. We can, but then here's the problem. There's going to be other suitors that are going to jump in line and say, well hell, we saw how important the backup quarterback was. I don't know that we've seen the importance of a backup quarterback.


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[Assistant] And the league is meat jerk, you know that. The league has watched 55 different quarterbacks start NFL games this year.


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[Assistant] Just give me the guy particularly because he doesn't look old. Bernie said yesterday, if the only reason you keep him around, I think it's the right makeup. Aditi liked it because she said that one of the best reasons you do it now is because he's a good person. He's not gonna be disruptive in the quarterback room.


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[Assistant] Deshaun Watson can become a better quarterback with Joe Flacco in the quarterback room. I just think to worry about next year is unnecessary right now.


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[Assistant] Ethan Pochich and Juan Thornhill not on the field during the portion of practice opening the media. Not good. Alright.


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[Assistant] I mean, but I mean, I watched him last night, I felt sorry for him. My only...


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[Assistant] Well, look, they were down by 60 points.


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[Assistant] I think it's between... I got Zappy in the mix. Zappy. I like Zappy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but do you like him more than Will Levis? Yeah. Because I really like Will Levis. I like Will Levis. I think Will Levis is a top five. I might go Josh Dobbs at nine.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'd have no problem with that just because. Or Jack Wilson.


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[Assistant] Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah, I don't know. Like, I would put him there.


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[Assistant] He had a very good first game. Oh no, his first start was against the Chargers and he got sacked like six times. Yeah. Was he part of that 6-0 game? He was, he was started for the 3-0 game.


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[Assistant] They had gone 19 consecutive drives without scoring a touchdown. They scored 9 touchdowns last night. Alright, I'm with you. I'll go Aiden O'Connell 9.


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[Assistant] You're gonna hate me for this, but I'm going Tommy DeVito. Oh no, I'm going Josh Dodd. I'd say Zach.


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[Assistant] I don't even know that I could go much higher with Browning, but I just don't believe in him long term, but I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. Uh, I'll go, I would go with Bailey Zappi at seven. That's my vote.


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[Assistant] Does anybody have a choice? I think the best thing that happened to Aaron Rodgers was he tore his Achilles on the first play of the season.


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[Assistant] At five, I'm going... I gotta go Will Lovis. I'm going DeVito. I'm going DeVito. I'm going DeVito also.


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[Assistant] Browning at four. Okay, so four, Flacco, Browning, Levis, and Minchew. I'm going Browning at four. Also. Let's see, let's see the list again. Can I take a look at it?


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[Assistant] Agreed. It's for this season, remember. I gotta tell you, I think one of the most remarkable things I have seen this year is Jake Browning's play through three games.


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[Assistant] Seven and six, yeaah. So, like, we all know how that game, and look, I know that you can say that about a lot of the games. A lot of games. However,


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[Assistant] Brown's got some real help in that game. And I'm gonna take it. And they certainly didn't lose because of Minshew. No. No they did not. So now if you take...


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[Assistant] That, if you just take that one result and flip it, and it was easily flippable.


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[Assistant] The Colts are where the Browns are and the Browns are where the Colts are. Right. And because Minshew's done it for longer this year. That was my, that was my distinguishing. And he's younger. Right. You know, you gotta go. But Flacco, you know, deserves to be a two. He does. But the other thing for me was because he brings the added dimension of running the football.


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[Assistant] Josh Dobbs. Right. Lovable kid. Great parents. He's just, he's a pastronaut. Yeah. I just, as I'm watching that, I'm going, uh oh. Now he's third string. Uh, yeah. He's not even the back of his week. But as I'm watching that, I'm literally saying, uh oh.


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[Assistant] More than, more than he was. It was, it was, I couldn't stomach it. And when the media cracks me up, the national media, the last thing you want them to do is to jump on your bandwagon and anoint you as having a ride. And that's coming.


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[Assistant] I can see the playoff opening now. I can see it in my mind. We all can. Joe Flacco, kick to the curb. Former Super Bowl winner. Now, back from the dead, and they're going to love him, and then he's going to


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[Assistant] Yea, no, I could do it right. I could do it just because I've only seen, I've seen it twice. Yea. I saw it twice with Josh Dobbs. And everybody was ready to say, oh my god, the Browns. I think Ben Shoe's the best backup quarterback in the NFL.


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[Assistant] I think that's very fair to say. I mean, I know some good ones that haven't played this year. Now, let's talk about it next week.


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[Assistant] I told my wife last night when we were watching the game, I said, by showtime tomorrow morning, the coach is gone.


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[Assistant] It was West Coast, so 9 a.m., they're all gone. Did you guys see when they showed last night in the telecast, the Raiders' first overall picks, going back 10 years?


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[Assistant] Kill Miles Garrett. It's pretty ugly in between. Very, it looked Raider-esque. But when they put that list on the screen last night, it was like, oh my god, what an indictment of their front office that they were drafting that poorly for that long.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. That's a good stat. I like it. It's a great stat. That was one of those games for Miles Garrett where we were like, oh my god. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Just goes to show how good he can be when there's a quarterback that wants to stand back there and go through all of his reads and holds the ball that long. But I think there's a reason that I don't know if you could find this stat. I'd be curious to see opponents against which team


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[Assistant] For all of their opponents combined are getting rid of the ball quickest and I would imagine that the Browns would be in the top five.


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[Assistant] I will say this though. Now they've played the Lions twice in the last five weeks. And Jared Goff, all of a sudden in the last month has been turning the ball over. I don't know what's going on with him.


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[Assistant] And they shut him down and the Lions down this week. Full credit.


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[Assistant] The last time they played the Lions, even though Goff turned the ball over, the Lions still put up 31 on the Bears.


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[Assistant] So the other three games that this defense has been great against.


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[Assistant] The Vikings, the Panthers, and the Saints. Those are three really bad offenses. Yeaah. And the Saints did score 24 points in that game anyway. Good job out of Bull there to counter your staff. So I wouldn't say the Browns have a great offense.


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[Assistant] Part of the reason Sweat helped is because Engankwe was their only good pass rusher, so now they have two good solid pass rushers, and now they're back to one again. Yeaah. To me, this is the reverse of their Roquan Smith trade.


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[Assistant] I could, I just couldn't, I never understood that. I couldn't understand why they gave up on Smith and their defense.


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[Assistant] It's like, almost like the football God said, you screwed that one up, so we're going to give you this one. I still don't like the trade for them because they could have signed them as a free agent in the off season. I don't know. Who? The Bears.


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[Assistant] He is, but we've seen him a lot as he's leaving the pocket, but not yet committed to crossing the line of scrimmage, throw bad balls. And so maybe this is another piece of evidence on the pile of his progression has been pretty nice this year.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, the touchdown thing, the touchdown interception thing with a quarterback like this, and this is what makes he and others in his category so special, I throw the rushing touchdowns on with the passing touchdowns. Probably, that's why you gotta include the fumbles too. You do? Yeaah. And I wanna see the fumbles, but like if it's in 17 games, if it's more than 5 fumbles, that's a problem?


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[Assistant] I mean, for a guy who's, yeaah, that's not bad. That's a lot of turnovers, but it's also a lot of touchdowns. What I like about that stat is, I don't think you're going to completely eliminate that, but that is fixable.


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[Assistant] You know, there are things that quarterbacks can do to try to take care of the football. I'd be interested to know how many of those came when he was in the pocket and didn't see it, blindside, or how many came when he decided he was going to run the football.


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[Assistant] By the way, I wouldn't take him over any of the quarterbacks you mentioned in those stat groups.


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[Assistant] I would not either. Yeah, no, those are, those are statistical blips this year for Allen and Mahomes.


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[Assistant] Allen has been turnover prone now two years running. Yeah, but Allen's throwing the ball deep downfield. I don't, I mean, like to me. See, that's what gets us into our argument that we got into earlier this year about why Allen for me has fallen out of the top five. I think the number one thing that we all look at is turnover.


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[Assistant] And his number of turnovers the last two seasons are just too high. I know he counters that with a lot of downfield throws and touchdowns, but it's a give or a take. I would say about Allen, and by the way, you know, we all laughed when you said Purdy was better.


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[Assistant] I, I, and I thought Brock Purdy was, you know, a decent quarterback, but he's even better than I thought he was. And he's playing great. Now, he's got by far the best talent around him. It's not even close.


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[Assistant] But, uh, but Josh Allen and Mikey gave me this stat. A good chunk of his interceptions are like third and long plays where he's firing it down the field where they would punt anyway after that play.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I still, I don't take away and I'm like, you know, I, I still pick. You gotta factor it in. But you're right. I mean, a lot of his picks are, and they're also this, balls that I've sent it. Why are you throwing that?


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[Assistant] You know, I know it's third mong, it's desperation, but a punt is still better than a 40 yard pick. But Brett Favre did a lot of that too. And that's, that's, he's got that kind of game and good comparison and Josh Allen.


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[Assistant] Uh, is probably asked to do more than any other quarterback because he's asked to run a lot and he's asked to throw for 5,000 yards too, so. Okay, here's the


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[Assistant] The other eight teams all have their starting quarterback, and that's a big part of the reason why they're succeeding.


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[Assistant] Here's what I love most about you. You've used this number, this line a number of times and you probably don't even realize it, but you've said something about if you don't


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[Assistant] I just, their offensive line is so hideous and their quarterback play has been so ridiculously up and down.


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[Assistant] Yeah, man, she is, you know, still sharp, still ready to go.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it was good. It was good. I went to Canton. My cousin had...


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[Assistant] Uh, Thanksgiving, it was her first Thanksgiving, you know, uh, as we go, we kind of moved around as usually at my grandmother's house. Uh, she passed away a couple years ago.


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[Assistant] Then it was at my mom's house, uh, last year and then the COVID thing happened. So she got the first kind of like the real Thanksgiving after everybody came back to, you know, gather. So, so it was really nice. How many people?


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[Assistant] They're like, oh, your neck is hurting. They're like, here, let me go ahead and put this, uh, back grease on it.


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[Assistant] He can't come out and just have the game where he hopes to get the ball at the last part of the fourth quarter and come up with some heroics. I think there's a expiration date on that type of stuff.


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[Assistant] They're gonna have to, they're gonna have to reinvent themselves a few more times. They're gonna have to reinvent themselves with DTR.


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[Assistant] Find something that they can really hang their hat on. If they get that, and then once they get to the playoffs, they're gonna have to reinvent themselves again too. Because at that point, you're playing against good defenses, solid coaches. So I do think they're gonna have to do some other things. I think they're either going to have to let him throw the ball downfield a little earlier in this game.


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[Assistant] Or they're gonna have to bring the factor of his legs into play. They haven't done that so much. I think either one of those things has to happen for them to, you know, continue the win streak.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I wouldn't mind just, just him take it off and get it two, three, four yards. They should, hey, they should have some designed runs for him.


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[Assistant] And at least, at least that way you get five or six yards. Heck, I even seen, uh, I was watching the Washington Cowboys game.


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[Assistant] And they ran, ran speed option. I was like, okay, I like that play. At least, you know, you can get down. It's only a few yards to the end zone. You either make it or you don't, and you can run it again. So, yeaah, I wouldn't mind, but I don't want to see anything crazy in the middle of the field or around the fifties because, I mean, he got lit up against the first time he played the Ravens. Oh my gosh.


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[Assistant] Thought that that was the case, are we sure that they would be flaco?


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[Assistant] Right, right, right. This is weird. This is weird. Have you ever seen a team, uhm,


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[Assistant] Like, 7 and 3 is a nice story. If you win this week on the road and go to 8 and 3...


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[Assistant] I haven't seen that, where you have, like, no, it's a huge question mark for a quarterback.


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[Assistant] And they continue to win football games. I haven't seen that in such a long time.


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[Assistant] Why, why, why is it to me, like, why do I feel like, I don't know, this might not be true, why do I feel like Dobbs is...


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[Assistant] That serves a processing. Justin for picking up playbooks?


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[Assistant] I'm surprised he came back in the game he left last week when he got blasted.


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[Assistant] I think this sucks though. I think they're gonna move to a place where it's like the only thing defensive linemen are gonna do


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[Assistant] Go for the strip sack if the strip sack is not there. Yeaah. Or unless you're in a scrum where you guys can tackle it and kind of just brother in law the thing.


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[Assistant] What does that mean, brother-in-law? Brother, like, when the coach says you're brother-in-law to drill, like, you know, you're not, you're not friends with your brother-in-law.


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[Assistant] I don't know man. I'd rather buy some David and Joku stock and he's dropped like way more passes than him. Like he, David and Joku dropped a lot of passes last week too but they went back to him and he caught it. I just like it cause he's a bigger target. Some of the stuff that Elijah Moore


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[Assistant] Uhm, we thought he was gonna sell at. He just, he's just not very good at that. He's, he doesn't have running back vision. Uhm, he's not a guy that can.


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[Assistant] No, no, I'd rather, I'd rather just, like if I'm watching DTR, I would rather him just...


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[Assistant] Slant's coming and he still gets off press coverage and catches the football. So I'm just gonna ride with that and David and Jokhu. That's what I'm gonna do.


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[Assistant] The Browns are, and the Browns on offense play a lot like...


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[Assistant] Now hey, this is, I wanna see what you say, cuz depending on what you said, based on what you said earlier this week.


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[Assistant] This has to be your boy, Russell Wilson. Yes. For the number two spot? Yeah.


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[Assistant] Amari Cooper? I'm gonna go with the, uh, I'm gonna go with the guy that everyone knows is running a slant, but they can't stop it. Amari? Yea. What about Greg Newsom?


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[Assistant] Courtney Sutton. Courtney Sutton came back this year. Now Jerry Judy is mid. Yeaah. Alright. Well I got outvoted. Courtney Sutton at five.


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[Assistant] But, but I will say, uh, D-D-Hop, uh, he's gonna have an opportunity to kick one from very long away. And that thin air. And that thin air, he might be able to- Oh yeah, maybe he's gonna break a record. He might, if he can get enough on it, and we might be able to-


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[Assistant] Like, cause in the first half, they don't convert very many of their third downs, right? They're not, it's not like the Browns are converted to a boatload of third downs themselves, but if they can just keep it in third and manageable,


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[Assistant] And just move the ball and punt and pin teams down. That'll even be more of an issue in terms of the plays that they're running compared to the other team. Because they don't convert as much as they could.


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[Assistant] See there's a double cheat because the Browns either sack you on third down or you get a penalty for holding.


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[Assistant] And now they're like, okay, well, and now they're defensive lineman, they're just not even rushing on third down. They're like, you can't run screens on the Browns either. Like, like if they pick it out and this third is long enough, they're like, mm.


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[Assistant] So it's very difficult to have sustained drives when you get put back first in 20. That's tough. Like, you gonna run the ball two, three times? No. That's why the Browns are really, really good at making teams, like, be very, very frustrated. Yeah. Go ahead, Mike.


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[Assistant] I flipped him up because Minnesota played Denver last week. I know I heard his name.


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[Assistant] I don't know if he can exploit the deep game, because I don't know if he's accurate enough, or I don't know if he...


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[Assistant] I know he gets rid of the ball quickly, but I think that might be a Kevin Stefanski thing. So my thing is,


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[Assistant] It'll be interesting. It's almost like watching...


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[Assistant] A rookie quarterback for the first time. It's like watching a guy, a guy that you drafted and it's weird because we didn't draft him to take over the, the.


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[Assistant] You know, the team at this point, cause he's still young and he's fifth round draft pick, but it's weird. It's like you being in this place where


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[Assistant] That's why I'm interested to see if, um, if Kevin Safanski's...


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[Assistant] Sees, like, some upside, right? Like, the way he plays these games, it's gonna tell me whether or not.


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[Assistant] He believes that, that DTR can be a viable starter in this league.


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[Assistant] I would, I'm like why, because that would then tell me.


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[Assistant] He feels he has a shot. Like usually he would play it close to the vest and see just, hey, let's get to the playoffs and see what happens. But if DTR can start playing like a...


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[Assistant] Middle of the road quarterback, maybe start to see the field better. Maybe he starts to get some momentum and confidence.


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[Assistant] Like you said, it's wide open. Like, it's wide, it's wide. Alright, Mike, next. How many more we got here?


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[Assistant] You know, the ten yard penalties kill you the most.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and they've been able to do a pretty good job of having backup tackles who have not held or been downfield. And I will always say this.


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[Assistant] I mean, shout out to, uh, shout out to, uh, Bubba Ventrone. I mean, he got the, if we can find it, the return game looked like he got back on track last week, you know?


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[Assistant] But uhm, pinning people deep, like, think about it.


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[Assistant] The Browns on goal line situations, I've never seen this before. It's almost like Tecmo Bowl when you pick somebody else's play. It's a jail-baked Brits, like down in their end zone, and you're like, dude. Did you say a jail-baked Brits? It was like, it was bait or break.


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[Assistant] Okay, not what we hoped for, not what we hoped for, but kind of what we expected. The West Coast. Well, you expected, you picked them to win. I mean, you picked the Browns to lose, so you got it right. I did. We thought they'd win. I thought they'd lose, uh, both of these games. The tough one, the West Coast. What is it, Mikey? 0 and 11 now? They are 0 and 9.


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[Assistant] It's tough, man. It's tough. Now they didn't have the travel lag as an excuse this time because they stayed out on the west coast, but.


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[Assistant] When you don't have Denzel Ward, and you have half of Miles Garrett,


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[Assistant] You're not an elite defense. And they proved that again. There's seven and five. The good news here is a lot of the other teams that the Browns want to lose lost. That's our silver lining. They're still in the number two wild card spot. Even the Chiefs lost. They have one more win than the Browns right now. The Kansas City Chiefs. So all is not lost.


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[Assistant] But they better get hot soon because they're running out of time. Yeah, they, you know, when I look at it, we talked about this with all the injuries they've had on offense and.


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[Assistant] Uh, they were gonna have to play great on the defensive side of the ball to win. They haven't done that. The last two weeks they've been, to be nice, mediocre on defense. And they haven't been, I get it, Myles Garrett's banged up and Denzel Ward's out, but they haven't been destroyed across the board with injuries on defense like they have on offense.


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[Assistant] It's not, I don't think it's an excuse to just say, well Denzel Ward's out. Other guys gotta step up and they're not. For the most part, guys are not stepping up on the defensive side. You're right. It's not, and by the way, we should point out early that G is, is nursing a very sore.


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[Assistant] We saw it on Friday. He's got a yellow card. When he wants to jump in, he's going to hold that up and we're going to shut the hell up so he can get in his points. But if you want to go on your opening rant here, please do. And then I'll follow to what you said because it is not an excuse. You're right.


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[Assistant] The elite defense can't be elite without its two elite players. True, but it should be better than it was the last two days. Should have been better. Yeaah. You're right. There's a space in between. Honestly, if I'm gonna, I might blame Pi. Yeaah. I got about 60% to the defense and about 40% to the offense. Wow. The offense did enough to win this game if the Browns defense was elite. They were not.


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[Assistant] It's unlikely, but it's possible. Of course. I mean, when you look at these four games, I think they're all gonna be, not, they're not gonna be Pick'ems.


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[Assistant] That they're all gonna be, I think, one score games. That's the NFL. Uhm, I do want...


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[Assistant] I do think it should be pointed out that even though I didn't love the defense, and I did, I agree with everything you guys said, I think that, you know, if you're gonna start pointing fingers at where the blame goes, I do think it goes to the defense first, but it does need to be pointed out that after the Browns missed extra point, and it was 20 to 19,


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[Assistant] This was a football game. It was obvious. Joe Flacco just came off a great looking drive. The defense came out and did their part.


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[Assistant] They essentially had a three and out. There were four plays. One was a, was a penalty. Defense came out and I think I even texted to the group and I was said to the folks I was watching with, you need a three and out, you need a stand. Defense, step up, do something.


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[Assistant] And they did. And so I was excited at that point because I thought, okay, now the game's in your hands.


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[Assistant] Do what you just did and you come home at 8 and 4 and in really good position to nail down a playoff spot. And they threw an interception on the very next play, on a deep ball.


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[Assistant] LA, touchdown drive. Let's face it on that, on that, uh,


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[Assistant] Forest Punk, they got lucky that a penalty got called that wiped out a huge play on that game.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but it was a penalty. I hear you, but. I'm not going to say they got lucky because the other team had a penalty. And by the way, the hold on that penalty allowed that big play to go. Maybe so, but. The hold on Robinson was critical. It was, but, but after the interception, step up again.


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[Assistant] And, and that's the reason why. I can't, you can't excuse the offense and say it was all the defense. It's a team effort when you win. It's a team effort when you lose. I, and no, I'm not gonna give them


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[Assistant] I'm not going to grade on a scale because they were with one and a half of their best players out of the game. Miles Garrett, take a seat. Do yourself a favor. You're not getting DPOY. Do the team a favor. Get healthy.


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[Assistant] He's Superman. I give him credit. The guy should not be playing. And if I'm wrong, you guys can step up now and tell me that. I just, I know what he looks like when he's healthy. And now last year and this year, I know what he looks like when he's not. Valiant effort. But you don't get points for effort in this game.


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[Assistant] Because you always say, if you're out there, there are no excuses. No excuses. And it's just, you know, it sucks having your elite corner out. And by the way, I know you shouldn't fall back that much when you lose one elite player, but we saw what this movie looked like against Denver.


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[Assistant] By the way, I got a buddy. I'm guessing that's a him with Henry. Yeah, yeah. I got a buddy named Ed who is a really smart sports fan, a really smart gambler. Like he uses FanDuel all the time. And he, I was talking to him on the drive in. He had his worst day ever.


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[Assistant] He went, he, he bets, he made 17 bets on FanDuel, went 0 for 17. All NFL?


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[Assistant] All NFL. He went over 17 and he lost in all five of his fantasy leagues.


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[Assistant] Wow. Jim Schwartz does deserve some criticism here. Absolutely. Because it, we're always getting on Stefanski, as you say, G, about lack of adjustments. People get on him all the time. Well, where's the adjustment for the defense? The defense should not fall apart just because Denzel Ward's out. Here's what I can't understand to that point, Bull.


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[Assistant] I think he does a great job making adjustments because the defense always seems to give up points in the first quarter. They even talked about it at the end of the first quarter yesterday.


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[Assistant] And he's not prepared to stop the opponent in the first quarter.


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[Assistant] You got a statue quarterback in Matt Stafford. And they got no, nothing, no pressure the entire game. I was, I still can't understand it. Zero sacks, two quarterback hits. I don't even remember those quarterback hits. Did you guys? I don't remember them either. I think Miles, did Miles Garrett have one of the QB hits?


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[Assistant] You know, where are all these other guys? Who's stepping up? Because there's really nobody right now. You know what? That, that graphic right there looks very similar to the team sack graphic from last year. When you had Miles Garrett with a bunch and then a bunch of guys with sprinkle sacks in here and there. Right.


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[Assistant] Which they won 27-0 and they were a horrible team.


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[Assistant] Still, I mean, it doesn't matter. On this point, yeah, Bull, I am with you. I do want to see...


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[Assistant] I would expect the defense to get better as the game goes on. That's what elite defenses do and they get very stingy in that fourth quarter. You can't give up 76 points in the fourth quarter and hope to be called an elite defense. Plus, I think that tag has gone out the window. They're certainly not elite.


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[Assistant] They're among the NFL's top defenses this year, but they're close to losing their grip on that too. They are. They are.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's the product of Denzel Ward being off the field. That's why I said, uhm, I think we may have underestimated his importance to this defense. We take him for granted when he's out there, but boy is he a player.


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[Assistant] Cause Denzel awards him his games every year of his career. He has. And Mike put in the chat, he's like, well, has it been as big a drop off?


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[Assistant] When Denzel's gotten hurt in the past, and my response was the Browns defense for the most part since Denzel's been here has been bad. Sure. So even if there was a drop off, well it just went from bad to worse, maybe you didn't really notice it. Obviously it's been a drop off, but guys.


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[Assistant] You can't one player, I know it's not just one because Miles is banged up, but still.


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[Assistant] But still, for them to play as badly as they did, for the most part in this game. And by the way, if you notice it, this game, I know it's kinda typical, the Browns


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[Assistant] Defense was kind of typical how they've been doing it. Bad in the first and fourth, good in the second and third. But another part of that was Pooka Nakua. When he was out, the Rams didn't move the ball. When he was in, they moved it. So to your question, to your statement, you don't think that things should drop off that dramatically with that points award. Here's what I would say to that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it did. Pukinakul, by the way, is a very good player. And I gotta tell ya, when he walked off the field...


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[Assistant] Then they say, okay, fine. We see what they're doing. They are taking away our run. Pooka, get ready.


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[Assistant] And they activated the ac- the passing game, and you see what happened. It was- it was pretty starved.


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[Assistant] Are you talking about compared to what the Rams did when they got in the Kua?


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[Assistant] This is a big issue, and this is why I think the defense gets some of the playing, but so does the offense.


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[Assistant] You can't have these drops. You can't have them. Now, I think Amari Cooper's got PTSD, guys. He had banged up ribs and he's dropping balls that he does not drop. I think he had two or three drops yesterday.


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[Assistant] Balls that are hitting him right in the hands, and he's, and he's, one of them, he was turning to run. You're, you're now that the ribs are hurt.


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[Assistant] You're thinking, how quick after I catch this ball am I going to get absolutely leveled?


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[Assistant] He's dropping them because he is banged up and he's fearful of what's gonna happen once he catches that ball. I think that's it with him. The other guys, I don't know. I just don't know. But the drops now, and we were trying to say maybe it was DTR's fault for throwing piss missiles.


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[Assistant] I don't know. I don't know that it is his fault. I think it's on the receivers. They have got to do a better job of catching the football.


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[Assistant] Period, because you're not going to beat anybody if you continually drop passes in the NFL. Yeaah, it's been a huge issue the last three weeks especially, it's gotten really bad. Obviously the overall season numbers are terrible, but the last three weeks where things have gotten really out of control. It was glad. I mean they have, they have like a dozen drops or fifteen drops, something like that. Thirteen.


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[Assistant] Also the one that he was in the flats. That was clearly a drop. He dropped another one where he was going down to the ground.


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[Assistant] I mean, my eyes say that's a drop. If it hits both hands on the receiver, it's a drop for me.


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[Assistant] No, I did earlier. Not at the moment, I don't. Yeah, I did earlier. But after what we've seen the last couple of weeks and throwing the injuries in there, I don't. Not right now. No.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I wish I did. I wish I had more confidence. And look, I know that Houston's gonna... Jacksonville and Houston...


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[Assistant] I'm not ready to make predictions in those games yet. But you lose those and you flip to seven and seven.


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[Assistant] Well, they got the Bears in between. Do they? They have so close. Jacksonville, Bears, Houston. You're right. Right. Then Cincinnati. Yeaah. No, then Jets, then Cincinnati. Oh yeaah. I don't know guys.


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[Assistant] It's gonna be tough. Listen, you can't lose both those games. I thought 10 would be enough, but if they lose to Jacksonville and Houston and beat Cincinnati the Jets and Bears and finish 10-7, I don't know that they're gonna get in, in that scenario. I think the way it's shaping up is gonna be tricky, because right now, if you look at the, the,


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[Assistant] Last wild card spot is one game behind the Browns, right?


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[Assistant] Aren't they, the Browns and the Steelers now are 7 and 5. So are the Colts, so are the Texans. They're in 1 and 2. Oh, the Colts and Texans are up. The Browns are actually, yeaah, I think there was a mistake. I originally saw the Browns as the 6 seed, they're not, they're the 7 seed.


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[Assistant] The NFL sent out a thing because they're behind Indy. So ESPN has the Browns. Why are they behind Indy? Because it's a four way tie. So it's not just the head to head. Oh, okay. I went from the head to head. Right, right, right. But because it's a four way tie, it becomes a bigger tie breaker and the Browns for the moment are behind Indy.


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[Assistant] For a playoff, you know, so the Browns are the 7th seed, but right now. And Denver would have the advantage over us too. Right. And they're behind. Denver lost, uh, fortunately. They're 6 and 6. Yea, that helped big time. They're 6 and 6. But.


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[Assistant] Right. The Jaguars have the tiebreaker right now if they win tonight. Wow. Look at Jackson.


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[Assistant] Yeah. You know, God loves playing well. When you just say, oh, they're down four points, they're going to get a touchdown drive. That's what they do. Those days are long ago.


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[Assistant] By the way, Dak Prescott now the favorite to win the MVP at the moment. And I think that's right. At the moment, he can change. I'm not saying he's gonna win it.


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[Assistant] But I do think, now what's curious to me is San Francisco's win over Philly. I don't want to get too far off the bronze path here. But that was, that flipped the NFC on its head.


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[Assistant] Now Philly has to play Dallas, and all of a sudden the division is in play. That's true.


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[Assistant] In the NFC. Oh, in the NFC. Yeah, in the NFC. Yeah, that's what it looks like to me. Yeah.


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[Assistant] You want to stop the run? Fine, we'll kill you through the air. You want to stop the passing game? We'll kill you on the ground.


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[Assistant] I thought he played very well. I was shocked. Letter grade? I give him a B only because that pick was just so...


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[Assistant] That's exactly what I have. It just killed him. Yeah. And it was, it was such, it wasn't like he got unlucky. It was a horrendous throw. His only...


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[Assistant] Bad throw of the game. I thought to that point he was an A. I mean, but that was so bad that throw that I knocked him down to a B. But, uhm, besides that, I mean, for the first 53 minutes of the game,


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[Assistant] Uhm, and Elijah Moore did a nice job. He played pretty well in this game. Obviously had his biggest yardage total as a Cleveland Brown, but I don't, he seemed very in command of the offense.


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[Assistant] I think that this was the best quarterback play they received all year. You guys are crazy. Until the pick. You're crazy. No, no I'm not.


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[Assistant] If he doesn't throw an interception. What? Deshaun was 27 to 33 in that Titans game. Yea, but look at the yards and the touchdowns. They're right there.


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[Assistant] I know. The pick absolutely destroyed their chances of winning the game. But in the end, it doesn't matter. The pick's part of the game. I think Watson's performance against Tennessee was the best. I think his performance against Baltimore was second. I do too. I do too. Maybe you guys didn't hear what I said. I said, until the pick, that was as good a quarterback play as we've seen all year.


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[Assistant] But if you put them side by side, I thought Flacco made throws that I didn't see Dee, uh, or Deshaun Watson make.


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[Assistant] He was able to throw the ball downfield as well yesterday as we've done it all year. To your point, moving forward, it's gotta be the starting quarterback. That's what quarterback play looks like minus the pitch.


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[Assistant] That's what he generally wants to do. That's him. The pro style quarterback. That's him. With the play action fake being a huge part. By the way, if we can go back and show that pick.


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[Assistant] One more time. If you throw the interception, take a look at Ford and the space he would have had to run the football had they handed him the ball there instead of trying to throw an inexplicable, look at that.


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[Assistant] Why? Flack has been playing great. You just said it was the best game they brought. Why would you not, why not? Because there's six minutes left. Yeaah. You need a touchdown to win. What is that, what is the book prescribed there?


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[Assistant] I, and I think you said it on the call this morning, but this is what I was saying in real time watching the game. You get a three and out. They did.


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[Assistant] Perfect! You got the ball, you got six and a half minutes to go. The drive prior to that was a 75 yard touchdown drive that took up how much time?


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[Assistant] There's your ball game. Do what you just did!


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[Assistant] What I'm saying is, if you complete that pass, now you're at the 30 yard line with six and a half minutes to go. Your complaint, I just don't understand the complaint. You're losing the game. No, Bull, in the lab, what I want, you know, you say, okay, it's 630, if I'm coaching Madden, let's just put it that way.


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[Assistant] Here you need a three and out. You gotta have it. Defense stood up, did their job, three and out. I imagine the defense was pretty sick to their damn stomachs when they watched the offense go out there for 14 seconds.


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[Assistant] Let's say they do complete that and they finish the drive and score a touchdown and there's four minutes to go. Okay. Now you have to put the defense back out there.


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[Assistant] We know that because they did it. A deep shot, a deep shot won't work there. What are you talking about? He threw deep balls throughout the game and it worked. That was the farthest ball he threw all game.


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[Assistant] We gotta three it out. We've got the football. We've got six and a half minutes o'clock, so there's no issue with time.


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[Assistant] Run the ball, dink and dunk, move it down the field, score a touchdown, is a matter of fact.


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[Assistant] If you want, you can take it to the five yard line and kick a field goal and win the football game. The idea that you purposely just don't try to get the ball down quick because you're afraid to score too quick is ludicrous. Well I'm not saying you on purpose don't get it down field. That was a choice that they made. Okay, let's go down field. What does G. Bush have to say? Bull is saying take points when you get them. Here's what I'm saying. What I'm saying, because normally I would agree with that.


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[Assistant] But how many times have we been watching a game and a team scores and you go, uh oh, too fast.


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[Assistant] They scored too quick. They left the other team too much time. I'm trying to eliminate


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[Assistant] They thought they had something deep. He shouldn't have thrown the ball. He made a mistake. I'm not going to kill Kevin. And even if it was completed.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and take the points and you can get them, I absolutely agree. If they're in a defense that's got a nine-man front and you see that you've got one-on-one coverage somewhere, oh, take it. They're in a high cover, too.


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[Assistant] They were in a past deep defense.


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[Assistant] He was one on one with a backer and there wasn't another player within 15 yards of him.


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[Assistant] I'm just saying that of all the plays that you can dial up there and trying to figure, I always say before the drive, I always say, okay, what do you want to accomplish here? What do you need to accomplish? And it's, the later you get in a game, the easier that question is to answer.


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[Assistant] And for me, as I'm watching this drive start and I'm saying, okay, what's the objective of this drive?


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[Assistant] My objective on that drive is to take six minutes off the game clock and at least kick a field goal.


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[Assistant] And if you take six minutes off the game clock, you will be deep enough in the opponent's territory to kick a go ahead field goal. Now, if you don't,


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[Assistant] That's what I would expect him to say. What I want on that drive, by the way, is I want five or six on first down.


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[Assistant] Stay on schedule. It's very important. The next drive, obviously they're down because after the interception and they get the touchdown, then you take any mystery out of the equation. I always say when the other team knows what you're going to do, you're halfway to being defeated.


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[Assistant] They know. So if it's a run play and they know it's going to be a run play, the likelihood of stopping it is far greater. Once the mystery was out and they had to pass every play, we saw how that movie ended. They went backwards, backwards, safety. So when you telegraph what you're going to do to a defense,


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[Assistant] You're halfway to losing the game. You gotta run and pass situations. You gotta pass and run. You've gotta keep them honest. The run game wasn't working.


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[Assistant] With all this great success, but they were averaging more than four yards of carry. I know we talk a lot on this show about analytics. Let's use analytics for just a second in this discussion. You're averaging four yards of carry. You get three downs to make a first down. Four times three is twelve.


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[Assistant] You can move the football down the field and move the sticks 12 yards at a time. Mixing in a pass here and there to keep them honest. Short stuff in the flats. High percentage completion.


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[Assistant] If it's not there, throw it away. But try to stay on schedule. Don't get yourself in third and 17. You're gonna take a sack for a safety on that. So I wanted to see them run on first down.


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[Assistant] To the clock, 6 minutes and 30 seconds with two first downs becomes 2.30 left in the game.


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[Assistant] And at that point, if you get two first downs, you're at midfield. Now, you're another first down away from trying a big field goal, and it was interesting how this played out to me. I thought, this is gonna end exactly like the Baltimore game.


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[Assistant] And I really thought that's what was going to happen until they went for broke on the deep ball.


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[Assistant] DTR had his strengths, obviously Deshaun Watson's strengths look different in terms of him being able to run the ball. And PJ Walker, I don't know what his strengths were, they were probably running a hybrid between the DTR and DW, uh, uh, Deshaun Watson offense.


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[Assistant] After further review, we've decided that Coach of the Browns is a dumbass for challenging that play. I mean,


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[Assistant] So wait, now I didn't know that you gave me a piece of information I didn't know. They had already warned Stefanski that Poachers was- Poachers got called for this last week. I know he got called last week, but they had, they warned them in the- They sent a league-wide memo, hey, we're keeping close to Ryan. I can't even see it. It's hard to see the video.


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[Assistant] But, but listen, that, you can't do it in that spot. You can't do it. You killed your team. You killed your team. You've got to stay on schedule.


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[Assistant] I saw the replay of the passing. It's rare that.


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[Assistant] The color guy, the play-by-play guy, and the referee all agree, but they all agree, like the first pass interference that would have given the Chiefs the ball at the four, the defender came right through him. That was not even close. That was an obvious no-brainer. What they were really discussing in the post-game show


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[Assistant] But when you have two hands on the back of the intended receiver and there is a clear shove, that's pass interference. Chiefs should have never been in that situation. They're not playing well enough. No, they shouldn't have, but all of that withstanding.


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[Assistant] I mean, I still couldn't even really notice. Maybe it's my eyes. I don't know, but I'll show you, I'll show you 10 games, 10 plays a game where that happens. The fact that


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[Assistant] That the league is trying to make an example out of them, that if they put out a league-wide memo last week, that that's proof of it. The league selectively enforces its laws. Did the Rams jump on that play? I don't remember they did.


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[Assistant] Fairness to the refs in general. You know, we always criticize the refs when they screw up.


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[Assistant] So fast. They have a tough job. Now in some cases, like the past interference call in the Chiefs game yesterday,


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[Assistant] First year official is going to throw a flag on that. It's obvious past interference. And sometimes they call things that they think happen instead of actually seeing it, which drives me crazy. We see that in the NBA all the time. They anticipate a foul, so they call it. That I hate. But, by and large, they do a pretty good job considering the circumstances they're under. Alright, Mike's got a Stefanski question for us.


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[Assistant] Flacco played better and smoother than the other quarterbacks. But I think I know what you're driving at, Mike, and let me see if this answers it. This is just my, this is my perception. Could be wrong. When you play fake, you freeze a layer of the defense. So it opens more things up.


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[Assistant] They're gonna switch their call, if it wasn't already run heavy, to be run heavy.


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[Assistant] I think that when you're gun-heavy,


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[Assistant] And, you know, five wides or, you know, splits to both sides. Just hold a sign up that says we're passing.


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[Assistant] Again, I know it makes it sound very simplistic and I'm not a chess player, but I know people that are and they tell me more important than the move you're about to make.


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[Assistant] I don't think that way. My brain just can't go five steps ahead like that. But here's what I will say.


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[Assistant] You're playing chess as an offensive coordinator when you're keeping your opponent on his heels. What move is he going to make? And when you're in gun, and you've got four, and you're empty, the mystery's gone.


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[Assistant] You're going to throw the lot of quarterbacks that hav


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[Assistant] Be two dimensional. Be able to run it. And when you're not having success early with the run, when you abandon it, your opponent says, thank you.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. I just, I just think you gotta keep them guessing. I, I watched Kansas City last night. I've been fascinated by how Andy Reid has evolved their offense as their, as they, as critical pieces have fallen off.


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[Assistant] And one thing I watched last night, I thought they were gonna win that game last night. I thought they played well enough to win last night. And the reason I thought that was because Pacheco was an absolute machine.


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[Assistant] He was incredible. At one point, he was hit at the 11. They didn't bring him down until the 1. And it was an entire group. And then they threw the ball three times and didn't score a touchdown. I just, I was just like, you know, it's so obvious that


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[Assistant] Andy Reid is evolving into is, is zigging as the NFL is zagging. So we've talked about how we think defenses are doing a much better job. Points are down. Uh, offensive efficiency is down. It's become a more defensive game. I think as that skill set gets bigger, we can all agree on that.


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[Assistant] Now Andy Reid is doing a lot of play fakes and they're doing a lot of handoffs with Pacheco who's perfect for that offense. I still, I still think you're going to need the quarterback to win the Super Bowl. You will. You better believe you will.


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[Assistant] But I don't think, I think the days are gone when you can throw Tom Brady and this, you know, the run and gun.


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[Assistant] 75% pass offense out there and win. I don't know if it's done. I mean, you know, there's still teams putting up a lot of points.


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[Assistant] Uh, but points are down. I think we gotta see it longer. We gotta see it in the playoffs before we say it's done. I have, I've, I've, I've did some, a lot of figuring on, on this, this morning. And I just thought I wou, I would throw it out there. Percentage of pass versus percentage of run.


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[Assistant] And the reason I did this is because when I was watching San Francisco, I'm like, that, that, that's it.


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[Assistant] That is it. Now, obviously, how are you gonna get all those chess pieces? They've got five kings on their offense. So that's why they make it look so good. But the way they call their plays, their 50-50 run pass.


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[Assistant] What I did was I wanted to look at the past percentage


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[Assistant] Run percentage differential and the distribution in the NFL. The five teams that passed the ball the most.


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[Assistant] Obviously they're passing a lot because they suck and they're losing in a lot of those games. Yeaah. But I went and looked at their scores. Most of these teams, 40 losses, were one score losses. Man.


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[Assistant] The ones that weren't were one score losses in the fourth quarter. There were a few that were blowouts, in fairness.


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[Assistant] It's not like they had to throw it around the field all game long because they were down 25. Here's the five teams that run it the most.


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[Assistant] This is when it really solidified to me, you gotta run the football. Baltimore, San Francisco, Atlanta, Philadelphia, all four of those teams are in first place. Then Chicago.


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[Assistant] Chicago's bad. The Atlanta's not very good. But they're six and six. But they are in first place. But those teams that run the ball more than they pass at the highest rate in the league, 38 wins, 22 losses.


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[Assistant] So the, the pass heavy teams are 20 games under 500. The run heavy teams are 16 games over 500. They're not really run heavy. They're more balanced. Like Baltimore. Nobody's run heavy.


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[Assistant] So it's 50-50 versus 60-60. And so, yeaah, now listen, I am not advocating, nor will I ever advocate, that you run it 60% of the time. That's gonna get you beat a lot. What I'm advocating for,


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[Assistant] Is a 50-50 mix, a San Francisco offense, a Baltimore offense, a Philadelphia offense. Although Baltimore, Baltimore is, I bet that 51% is the lowest they've had.


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[Assistant] In the Cincinnati 24-3 win, they were 40 runs, 29 throws.


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[Assistant] That was so out, that was so one-sided. It was, by the way, their most one-sided of the year. Because it was a runaway win. They were up.


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[Assistant] You milk the clock. That's what you do. Tennessee.


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[Assistant] 33 pass, 31 run. I love that look, by the way. I love it. I want to beat two or three off, either way. San Francisco, a win.


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[Assistant] 34 pass, 34 run, right down the middle, 50-50. Indianapolis, one point win.


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[Assistant] Arizona, now this was a blowout win, you'd expect there'd be a lot more runs than passes, cause it was a blowout. It was. 40 run, 30 pass. Still a little high, in a game you won by 27, but I'm not gonna complain. Baltimore, 33-31 win, 35 pass, 36 run. Right about mid, right down the middle. For their 7 wins combined, this is stunning. They've thrown 241 passes,


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[Assistant] And here's why it's important. Even if the run isn't working and there were games in there where it wasn't working great.


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[Assistant] But they stayed with it and the defense wasn't sure. They didn't know if they were going to pass a run because they didn't abandon the run. Here's their five losses. 26-22 to Pittsburgh. Close game. Obviously they should have won that game. 40 pass, 35 run. Baltimore.


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[Assistant] Lost, 36 pass, 25 run. Seattle, this was the one that just drives me nuts. They ran it eight times more than they threw it.


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[Assistant] Oh, four and five makes a difference? Stand by. Come on. Stand by. The Baltimore game they got blown out, they had to throw. Denver, one score game with eight minutes to go.


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[Assistant] Averaging four and a half yards per carry, and Ford was averaging nine yards of carry. Last week, or yesterday, 44 pass.


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[Assistant] 4.1 yards per carry yesterday. That's not very good. It's times 3 is 12 yards. Okay, well how many yards per pass attempt? Certainly higher than 4. Didn't figure that out, but when you pass, pass, pass, and they know you're gonna pass, pass, pass, we did that on the last series. We went backwards, backwards, safety. So you can't do that. By that point you had to throw.


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[Assistant] 57% half heavy and the two that are really skewed.


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[Assistant] We're one score games with eight minutes to go and six minutes to go. I think the only legit complaint you have is the Denver game. That's it to me. Last, yesterday, the Raven game was the only other one that, yesterday's game, Flacco was playing well. The Raven's games are relevant. They got blown out. Of course they had to throw the ball a lot. They were getting crushed.


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[Assistant] And I said that. Right, so the loss to the Steelers, it was balanced, and the loss to the Seahawks, they ran more. And yesterday's game, Flacco was playing well, Jay. You're saying this as if there's a cause and effect, that when you run, you win more. No, when you're winning,


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[Assistant] You're gonna run the ball more at the end. Oh, you're not winning because you're running it more. You're running because you're winning.


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[Assistant] You had to get the lead, no, you didn't have, what do you mean you had to get the lead before you started running? These teams, by your, by your explanation, they're running because they're winning.


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[Assistant] You're saying there's no causation to this. I'm saying the causation is simple. They're winning because it's not a chicken or the egg.


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[Assistant] We know which one came first. They were winning. And they were winning because... They're running. But when you're winning in the fourth quarter...


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[Assistant] Should. At that point, right? Yeah. What if you're down one score in the fourth quarter? What, what should you do? You're more likely to throw or at least have more of a mix. But why?


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[Assistant] No, no, but he doesn't run like the other guy. No, but it's not a part of their offense. And by the way, that's all part of this. I understand that, but you're, you're blanketly saying, you're, you're, the four teams at top have running quarterbacks and the best running back in football, Christopher McCaffrey. The Browns don't have a running quarterback or great running back. So that's a big difference. They had a running quarterback until yesterday.