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[Assistant] To be considered at the highest echelon for NBA regular season awards, even though I do think it does play some sort of factor, I thought the two games without Donovan proved his value.


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[Assistant] We obviously know how good Donovan is as a player. Like, we don't have to explain that. He's tremendous in every facet as a shot creator, as a scorer, as a playmaker, as a leader. He checks all the boxes. When you look at pure value.


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[Assistant] Look at how the Cavs offense looked against Orlando, and especially Philadelphia. They went from averaging 30, Tony Pesta on Twitter, who's a great Cavs follower if you guys don't follow him, put out the Cavs three point attempts per game.


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[Assistant] Over that 20 game stretch where they went 18-2, they're averaging nearly 35 and a half threes a game. They take Donovan out.


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[Assistant] 20 and 22 were their three point attempts in the two games without Donovan. He comes back on Sunday against Washington, it's up to 35 again, right in that same range. When he's off the court, and this goes back to your Darius point,


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[Assistant] Alpha dog on offense that does what Donovan does and no disrespect to Tatum. If you take Jason Tatum off the Boston Celtics.


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[Assistant] They still got two All-Stars and maybe three depending on how deep an All-Star roster goes.


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[Assistant] I'm not sure his value to Boston is equivalent to what Donovan's value to Cleveland is.


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[Assistant] I think it's a competent, right? It's a playoff team roster. And you have Donovan Mitchell and you go from a playoff team to a team that can win a 2, 3, potentially 4 playoff round.


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[Assistant] They're still damn good. I think the Boston Celtics are the deepest team in the NBA. Like, they got seven guys who are legitimate players. Like, legitimate, legitimate guys.


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[Assistant] Uh, I gotta, I'm on my phone, I gotta go back and research.


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[Assistant] We didn't have the show yet. We didn't even have Ultimate Cleveland Sports that didn't exist in pre-Donovan Cavs.


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[Assistant] I mean, think about it, he got traded before last season started. That was in the first year. So I can't tell you what people were saying before I got here. But anyone who was saying that the trio of Garland Mobley, who was a rookie at that point, and Jared Allen, who I love Jared Allen, but like Jared Allen.


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[Assistant] It's subjective yet. If the award is the most valuable player, I've seen what the Cavs look like this season without Donovan Mitchell.


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[Assistant] And they are nowhere near the caliber of team they are with. Now, you could say that about every single player on that list. You could say that about every single player below him, below these five on the list, which includes Brunson and Sabonis and Embiid who've fallen out of the top five cause he can't qualify. But what's your point though?


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[Assistant] If you want to talk about contracts, Jalen Brown is the highest played player in the NBA, which is...


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[Assistant] And he'll be overpassed by the next max deal that comes out because he signed, he's just the latest guy to sign the extension. And pull it back up for one more sec.


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[Assistant] I think they're in a similar situation to the Cavs.


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[Assistant] They're, they're good, but they're not anywhere near where they are. You take Jokic off the Nuggets, that's a whole catastrophe. You take Janic off the Bucks, they're, they're not good this year. They're, they're not, they're not good.


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[Assistant] But my point is, I don't think Donovan should be 1, 2, 3, or 4. I think you can make the legitimate case that he's right there if not ahead of Jason Tatum for what 5 should be.


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[Assistant] And Valentine's Day against the Bulls, which they ended up winning that game. Darius is the proverbial game winner, but they didn't play a great 80-48 minute.


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[Assistant] Uh, contest. And I know we gotta move on, so get a quick read and we'll talk a little.


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[Assistant] NFL salary cap situation, how it impacts the Browns.


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[Assistant] And if you missed G's conversation with Quincy Carrier on Friday's Ultimate Brown Show, it's still on YouTube, make sure you go check that out. Speaking of NFL stuff, guys.


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[Assistant] The salary cap has skyrocketed for the 2024 season. Just to put a little context and some numbers to this. I know we got a graphic for this.


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[Assistant] It is projected to be at 255.4 million in 2024. That's the salary cap.


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[Assistant] Compare that to 2023 where it was 224.8 million in 2022, 208.2 million. 2021, the year following COVID was down to 182.5 in 2020, 198.2 million. So the highest projected salary cap


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[Assistant] Ever in the history of the National Football League. Gee, I'll start with you. How does this boom in potential money to spend?


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[Assistant] Impact Andrew Berry's plans this off season, the NFL as whole, but let's focus on the Browns because they have a positive, a negative or no impact on how the Browns approach their off season plans.


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[Assistant] So a couple of things, I just want to clarify what Earl said cause he's right. First off, use over the cap and not Spotrak when you're looking at any salary cap stuff. Spotrak is good, over the cap is great when it comes to this. As of this morning, the Browns are $7.58 million over the cap.


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[Assistant] That is with the new projections and that is before the restructuring of a Watson deal happens. It's not a if, it's a when it happens. They also can restructure a number of other contracts to create plenty of cap space. So the Browns, despite what people may say on Twitter, will have plenty of money to operate this off season to sign free agents. Now, this is why to G's point, the influx in the salary cap ceiling.


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[Assistant] Helps every team in the league, but specifically helps a few teams that have owners that are willing to spend money up front. And this is why Andrew Berry,


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[Assistant] We could give him some crap on some free agent signings that have hit or missed. We could say, hey, your track record drafting wide receivers isn't stellar. One thing we can't say.


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[Assistant] This guy knows the cap inside and out and because Jimmy has was willing to spend money upfront.


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[Assistant] It is the perfect pairing of how they structure deals. Now I'm going to read off my phone here just because I want to make sure I don't mess this up because there's some numbers involved. There's a couple of things here that I think really highlights why Andrew Berry.


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[Assistant] So, you look at all the big contracts that he's signed.


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[Assistant] He's always banked on two things. They have lower cap hits off the top and they have void years on the end, which you kick the can down the road is fine. You have to pay the Pied Piper at some point.


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[Assistant] But he's banking on two things, the salary cap continuing to rise, which means a dollar spent today isn't necessarily a dollar spent in five years. Salary cap goes up, well, you give him a contract now, a dollar spent today may be 60 cents down the road, and Jimmy Haslund's willing to spend it, so it keeps the Browns, their cash flow up.


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[Assistant] Constricts you from making moves. Well, no, he's just pushing the money down the road. You keep pushing it down. Eventually you have to pay up. But when the salary cap's so high, it doesn't kill you.


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[Assistant] And two, he knows that Jimmy is willing to do that. And this is what makes the Browns and Jimmy has them different than other situations. I'm going to use Daven Tomlinson for example. You guys ready for this? I didn't even understand it was this.


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[Assistant] Like him, hate him, he spends and this is what, this is what helps. So Dalvin signed that four year, $57 million contract last year, right? 27 and a half of that guaranteed.


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[Assistant] Dalvin essentially got 25 million guaranteed the day he signed. So the Browns in essence have paid Dalvin Tomlinson at this point.


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[Assistant] Close to 30 million dollars. 25 guaranteed plus his salary from last season. Do you know what his cat pit was last year?


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[Assistant] So they've paid him close to 30 million dollars, right? His cap at last year was 4.37 million dollars. His cap at this year is 6.5 million dollars.


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[Assistant] He's made 30. Why? Because Jimmy can spend, give guys money up front in bonuses, and that's what allows the Browns to go after some free agents, where the Bengals, that's the whole issue, they don't have the cash up front. So big picture, yea, the cap helps everybody, cap increase helps everybody.


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[Assistant] But it specifically helps teams like the Browns who can get creative and giving guys bonuses upfront because Jimmy has the cash and the liquidation to pay these guys and not destroy their cabinet on the back end.


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[Assistant] I saw a Mary Kay put out an article over the weekend about Sallert capital, the Hey Mary Kay, you know, her column.


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[Assistant] And she put out some projections for Gabe Davis' contract. Okay. Listen, the Browns do need another receiver.


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[Assistant] Uh, first off, I read a phenomenal article yesterday on Sumner Sports about free agency miss. If you guys want.


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[Assistant] To read it, just hit me up on Twitter. I don't have the link on me. I'll find it in my bookmarks, but I'll send it to you on Twitter. Wasn't all smart. They pointed out two things. One,


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[Assistant] Wait, when I was mentioning about Andrew Barry pushing the void years in the contracts, right? Like, it can come back to bite you in the ass. The Buccaneers, even if they signed Mike Evans to a new contract. They sold him 14. 14 million in dead cap.


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[Assistant] Because they used all those void years, but guess what? Mike Evans has outlived the contract of the void. It comes back to there.


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[Assistant] There are things that you're gonna have to happen and it's not always a perfect science, but I just trust Andrew Berry and the way he's manipulated the cap so far to continue to get the most maximization out of that 255 and change he can.


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[Assistant] Another thing we haven't talked about, and Earl, you kind of tried to bring this up on your Ultimate 216 show.


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[Assistant] And it was highlighted in the Sumner Sports article that, like, I'll tweet it out after the show. I'll send you guys the link. One thing I pointed out is the players who went for Reagency,


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[Assistant] In certain positions, typically hit free agency for a reason.


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[Assistant] Now a guy like T. Higgins never get free. So one of the things that this article suggested doing, it wasn't Browns, it was just in general, big picture ideas for agencies.


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[Assistant] I'm not sure what the ca- the browns, excuse me, whether it's Nusim in a second round pick or it's someone else. What kind of package that can get you in terms of a player at a premium position. But instead of going out and overpaying for someone in free agency,


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[Assistant] She was like, I was going through every team in the NFL's major need this offseason thing.


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[Assistant] 20 of them, I have defensive back, corner back is one of their top two major needs, which means in a vacuum, Greg Newsom's value may be one thing, it's supply and demand G. So we're talking a Newsom


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[Assistant] For somebody potential trade if the Browns want to go that route where Newsom's value now is increased by the fact that there just aren't that many


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[Assistant] Good cover guys in the league and teams that are willing to pay a premium price on it. So, just something to keep in the back of your mind as the Browns look to either utilize free agency, the draft, a trade, all of the above to improve the overall caliber of their roster.


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[Assistant] I wouldn't hate, like, I think if you get a player via trade,


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[Assistant] It's probably going to be a better guy than you could sign in free agency. I agree, I agree, I agree. We'll see what happens. I think it's more likely free agency just because like if IUQ was to hit the market, there are teams with first round picks that I think would be able to put a more valuable package together. But at the end of the day, I think we've learned if AB is cooking up a trade,


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[Assistant] It's probably going to end up pretty well for the Browns. And, and I know we got our guests. If you want to do a read, we'll bring in Michael Dean Perry here.


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[Assistant] It's not everyday we are get to speak with a Browns legend, but today we are lucky because Michael Dean parried the Cleveland Browns legend defensive end of all defensive linemen, uh, is joining us here on Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. Michael, thanks for taking some time and uh, how you been?


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[Assistant] I gotta ask this to start, but we just saw Myles Garrett win Defensive Player of the Year. You are in the top three all times in Brown's history for sacks. Myles, obviously number one now.


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[Assistant] What makes miles so different, unique, and frankly unstoppable?


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[Assistant] From someone who played the position and knows the ins and outs of getting to the quarterback better than any of us.


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[Assistant] I believe that's what it was referring to, but I couldn't figure out exactly what the reasoning behind that was.


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[Assistant] I would say weirdest anomalies of the entire NFL this season was how good the Browns defense was at home and how much they struggled at certain aspects on the road. Can you put a-


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[Assistant] Finger on any idea why that may have been the case. It could just be simply the quarterbacks they played and the quality of teams they played at home versus the rope.


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[Assistant] From your playing days, is there anything you can take away from why one team would be so good in front of their home crowd and just nowhere near that same level on the road? Average. Just aberration.


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[Assistant] We're looking for the same answer too, so it's not just you. When you look at your resume though, Michael, you have, you know, three all-pro teams on it, six pro bowls, but maybe the most impressive thing that you've done is McDonald's named the cheeseburger after you.


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[Assistant] That has to be the crowning achievement of any player or any person's career. It doesn't get better than that.


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[Assistant] Awesome. Well, Michael D, we really appreciate you joining us today on the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. Anytime you want to come back, we'd love to have you. The stories and insight was phenomenal. Best of luck with whatever you're doing moving forward and we really appreciate you taking a few minutes out of the day.


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[Assistant] This is cool. And he's one of twelve kids, by the way. Like, he's the youngest of twelve. William was the tenth youngest. Like, I don't even, uh, uh, maybe bad job out of us for not asking about the other ten. But if that's two of the twelve, I...


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[Assistant] Great speaker, would love to have that gone. Did you see what, hey, will you pull up the cheeseburger tag board again real quick?


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[Assistant] Listen, it's one of the things that Earl has been passionate about since the day I met him, is how bad the fast food industry has gotten.


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[Assistant] We haven't had a winning ticket in a couple weeks now, and that was because that was all-star break, so there was no games, and then the Cavs lost a couple, so we need to get some winning tickets back. Oh, oh, oh, wait, wait, wait, hold on.


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[Assistant] Gee, in summer league we talked about Imani Bates and Craig Porter, got all excited about those two. In the preseason of the NFL, it was Austin Watkins season, it was DTR.


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[Assistant] And then it's spring training and it's just like it's spring training. Why doesn't spring training hit the same way that pre-season action and the NBA and the NFL do?


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[Assistant] So what you just said is my biggest gripe with this particular collection of spring training issues with the guardians. So I turned on the game yesterday while I was waiting for the Cavs, right?


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[Assistant] In the lineup yesterday had Chase DeLouder, who's probably their best overall hitting crossback. Kyle Manzardo, who we've talked about.


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[Assistant] He'll be at the MLB level at some point. And then there's this guy named Angel Martinez who had an absolute frickin' bomb yesterday, a switch hitting 20 year old middle infielder. When you watch Summer League.


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[Assistant] We can get excited about Amani and Craig Porter Jr. was awesome and Luke Travers and all those guys, but we knew they weren't going to have like major roles on the team because at this point they're not better than Donna Mitchell or Derrick, you know what I'm saying? So you have expectations and you watch the NFL preseason and DTR was awesome, right?


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[Assistant] And I'm not going to pretend to tell you guys I know the ins and outs of baseball like I do basketball or football, but the louder it looks like you can hit on the MLB level.


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[Assistant] And Manzardo at two hits yesterday and Martinez hits this bomb. And I'm like, I want to see these guys come April when it matters, not in Arizona in Goodyear. And the reality of the situation is the ladder is probably not going to be on the MLB level till later this year, if at all.


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[Assistant] Manzardo's gonna start in AAA and probably won't be with the team till May. Just as how the Guard are April and May, that's how the Guardians work. And Martinez...


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[Assistant] They have like 73 other prospects at the middle infield positions that are ahead of him on the depth chart.


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[Assistant] He might not be here for two or three years, so it's just frustrating when I see these little tidbits. I'm like, ooh, that guy looks good.


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[Assistant] I'ma forget about him and he'll come back in my life in three years. So it's just hard for me to get as locked in, focused, and engaged on spring training baseball. Just cause I have no idea when it's gonna pay dividends down the road.


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[Assistant] We're gonna see more young guys in the Guardians lineup this year, and hopefully they take the necessary steps forward to have a competent offense. And I think the problem is, G, their divisions suck so much in totality.


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[Assistant] And they're kinda stuck in this baseball limbo, they're not good enough to win big.


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[Assistant] They're not bad enough to be terrible and because the divisions are just overall not very good. I mean, the White Sox, Twins, Tigers, and Royals outside of Cleveland, like, if any team wins 90 games, I think it'd be a surprise. So they're like, well, we can kind of teeter the line here.


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[Assistant] But being in limbo, in my opinion, just in general, not just baseball, is the worst thing you can do in sports.


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[Assistant] By the A's in the MLB draft and the number one overall pick in football.


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[Assistant] The guaranteed money he could have made playing baseball if he had gotten one contract would have outweighed what he'll probably get in this, or he got, what, 240, it was just under the Sean's contract, but the guarantee was way lower. But Shohei Otani just had a $700 million contract.


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[Assistant] That is your best bet to making, and it's all guaranteed by the way.


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[Assistant] It's all a hundred percent, we talk about a guaranteed contract in football, the Browns fully guaranteed to Sean, the Dodgers fully guaranteed to Shawn Otani.


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[Assistant] But he's supposed to be a first round pick, and he's not running at the combine.


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[Assistant] Austin Hedges, our guy, Anthony Antonelli's, uh, doppelganger. Two hunts. Shut the ball up yesterday. How about the two run home run, Ant? What'd you see on that pitch? Were you surprised? Did he throw you an in-breaking fastball? Would that count? I mean, take us through it.


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[Assistant] They actually changed, real quick, not to get technical, I saw this on Twitter, but Brennan changed his batting stance. And so, a guy I went to high school with played in the majors at Pitcher.


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[Assistant] A very minimal career, but he made it to the majors. Jerry Bastow played for the Rockies in the Royals. Awesome dude. So I texted him yesterday and I was just like,


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[Assistant] He's like, I don't know the guys, I can't tell you what Brandon is, but theoretically speaking, he should be able to get to the ball quicker.


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[Assistant] Maybe more like double power, more pop, but less kind of homerun power. And of course when Brennan goes out, hits a homerun the next advance.


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[Assistant] They show flashes and like, Mopi's development's different. Because...


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[Assistant] I mean, the Spurs are so bad, I don't think he'll get it, but he's in the conversation on the second-worst team in basketball. That alone tells you how good he's been defensive. How good it is, right?


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[Assistant] I saw a stat, him and Chet Holmgren are the first two rookies ever with 153s, 150...


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[Assistant] Blocks and a hundred assists in a season or something crazy like that.


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[Assistant] I fell on a force, uh, someone forced fumble, I fell on it. Fumble recovery, only play I made all year. I didn't make another single play the rest of the season.


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[Assistant] But what's stupid is we had like two good athletes at receiver, but we didn't throw the ball a single time all season. So what the hell is the point of putting your two, two of your better, bigger dudes at receiver if you're never going to throw it? So did you have a kid who could throw the ball?


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[Assistant] We had two future NFL running backs in the backfield. Oh, well that's why. And the kids were seven. Like, there's no way you're talking.


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[Assistant] Well no, I want to work more than that. So like, I think I'm trying to work out something where...


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[Assistant] I take a few weeks off, like where I'm totally off, but I work four or five days the other week, so I...


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[Assistant] Yeah, I kind of want the teacher schedule. I don't know, we'll see. We'll work it all out. But it's good to see you guys. It's been almost a week for me. Earl, you were on the panel yesterday. No, Mike was on the panel yesterday. You were on Monday. G was here Monday. So we got a lot to get to today. Let's first say hello to Mikey McNuggets behind the glass before you get a dull look.


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[Assistant] Nonsense and all the topics. Some of the topics today, including a wacky list from the 33rd team of quarterback rankings, we're not really going to dive into the list as much as to how do you figure out where Deshaun Watson should be ranked?


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[Assistant] Also, we're gonna talk about Nick Chubb and how...


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[Assistant] Cavs versus Browns. Who's got the best chance to win? We're gonna do a little more on that on Friday. But anyway, go to Mike for a minute. How you doing, Mike?


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[Assistant] I mean, I wear, this is just a regular shirt. I don't even know if it's black, I think it's navy.


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[Assistant] The creepy prop era of music videos was the 80s. What are you talking about?


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[Assistant] They were movie production. I mean, you guys are flat out embarrassing yourselves right now. Thriller was the greatest music video ever.


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[Assistant] I give it a try. I'm, I'm really just like, I don't like country. I don't like rap. I don't like disco. That's terrible.


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[Assistant] I know there, did we discuss this on this show? I can't remember how long ago I had this conversation, but.


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[Assistant] There's a female rapper who went to my high school, who I think is somewhat big. I can't think of her name.


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[Assistant] Cause she went years after me. MC Light? I don't know, I'd have to look her up.


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[Assistant] Nah, I don't know. I don't know if she's like a superstar. I think she was like a mid-tier rapper. But anyway, uh, that, oh, couple of things. First of all, did you guys discuss the Super Bowl commercials at all? Actually, we didn't. We thought they fell off.


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[Assistant] I thought the Dunkin Donuts commercial with Ben Affleck and- That was good.


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[Assistant] I did see that. Did you guys see that commercial? The four minute version of that one? Yes. Yes, that was, that wasn't bad. That was good. I thought all the rest of the commercials were crap. I thought the Dr. Pepper


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[Assistant] I think the commercials might have been different depending on like how you watch the game. Cause there was some people watching on Paramount Plus and some people watching on CBS and you know, I don't know. But anyway, anybody else for a good commercial?


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[Assistant] It was cool how they honored Carl Weathers at the end of that. You know, which was pretty cool. Did the ground kick that field goal? No.


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[Assistant] He was terrible. By the way, I actually got mad at my ther- So I had therapy this morning. I go for therapy. And I went to my therapist this morning. I got mad at my therapist. Because, this is funny.


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[Assistant] We were talking about, and shout out to Sheila, she's a great therapist and was really helpful today, but.


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[Assistant] There was mo- in my therapy session we were talking about pizza, right? And she told me that she said the only pizza she likes is from this one restaurant.


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[Assistant] And it's a buffalo chicken pizza. And I just rolled my eyes at her. I said, Sheila, that is inappropriate.


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[Assistant] Buffalo chicken pizza is not pizza! Call it something else! Now she's a great therapist and...


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[Assistant] It was a very productive session besides that 30 seconds of buffalo chicken pizza.


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[Assistant] I should have said she was out of pocket. You're right. It didn't come to me. I just said it was inappropriate. But she was out of pocket with that.


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[Assistant] I feel like when I came in, I was the first one in this part of the building today.


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[Assistant] And then Anthony came, I was walking to the bathroom in the back, and Anthony came through the door, and he looked at me as if he didn't recognize me for a second, or I don't know what was going on with you Anthony, did something happen?


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[Assistant] He was in his mind. I was like, hey Anthony, and he was just kinda like looking at me like he was lost in the soup or didn't recognize me or something. It was very strange.


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[Assistant] This is not a they. This is one guy who works for the 33rd Dean. It's one individual person.


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[Assistant] Right. Who I don't know who he is doesn't mean he's not smart. He's listed as a football analyst and scout.


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[Assistant] Most of this is opinion. Yea, nobody's gonna put Desmond Ritter ahead of Patrick Mahomes. That would be ludicrous. But ultimately, it's all opinion. And his opinion seems


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[Assistant] Kinda bat shit crazy to me, because everything's all over the place. I mean, he's got Jalen Hurts at like 17, which seems kinda nuts.


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[Assistant] I guess you do it however you want. He didn't give his criteria. He didn't say, this is just based on last year, this is just based on what I expect for next year. I don't know what his criteria was for his list. Because some of these guys, some of the players on there are so out of whack. I think the bigger question is, with Deshaun Watson, he has Deshaun Watson at 27, right?


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[Assistant] Whether you specifically agree about where he should be ranked or where you think there's not a lot to be ranked, I guess the question we're asking is how do you guys, when you're ranking quarterbacks, now let's keep in mind we're all a little biased because here in Cleveland we're going to


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[Assistant] 24, 25, 26 fanbases are gonna inflate their own player. Uh, I think that's just the nature of fandom. But when you rank Deshaun Watson,


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[Assistant] How much d- how- at this point, how much can you still factor in, if at all, what he did in Houston? Uh, we'll start with you, G, what he-


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[Assistant] For me, when I, when I, if I were making a quarterback ranking list, if I would do it during the season, like from the midway point of the season to the end of the season, I would base it just on that season alone.


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[Assistant] Because that's what's going on right now. A list like this, when I'm, you know, he even called it his 24 list, so it's a looking ad. So what I would do for me is I would base it


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[Assistant] Mostly on the 23 season and my expectations for the player on the 24 season. And that's the only place where


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[Assistant] The Texans, Deshaun Watson plays a role.


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[Assistant] Because if Deshaun hadn't, let's say his career started just these last two years, well we'd have no expectations for him, because we'd never seen him play good, or consistently good like he did in Houston.


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[Assistant] So that, his play at Houston plays a role for me, at least somewhat, not, maybe not a high percentage, but at least a percentage, in how good I think he's gonna be next year. Right? Because I've seen that player.


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[Assistant] In terms of what he actually accomplished there, I'm not, at this point I can't give him credit for that in terms of where I rank him because it's been too many years.


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[Assistant] I, I look into last year, what I think for next year, and then probably a small percentage, what he did the year before, which also wasn't very good in his case. But I'm just talking in general, what they did in 2022. So if I, now,


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[Assistant] I, the only thing I disagree with you, either of you, is when Earl said, well his record's good. To me that's irrelevant. Uh, it's, it's, I think that's a crutch that people are using to give Deshaun Watson some credit that in my opinion he doesn't deserve. Because in Houston his last year, he was phenomenal. His record sucked.


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[Assistant] And a lot of people giving him, I'm not saying this is the case with you, but a lot of people giving him credit for his record in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] We're the same ones that were defending him for his crappy record in Houston that last year because he played great. Now I defended the Sean Watson. I didn't care about, not that I didn't care about his record in his last year in Houston, but I thought


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[Assistant] And I don't think he, I don't think his 4-1 record this year is indicative of how he played. He was okay.


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[Assistant] But he wasn't 4 in 1 good. He was an 80 winning percentage good, in my opinion.


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[Assistant] I think he's between 18 and 22. I think that's a fair rating for him because he hasn't done anything for three years. In fact, if we're just basing it on the last two years, you'd probably have to put him lower. I'm having him higher because I still believe that that guy is there and I think we could see it this year. But ultimately, I'd have to put him down low. Now, to your point, you said, well, listen, he hasn't done anything, so that's why he's low.


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[Assistant] Think about Matthew Stafford, right? On this guy's list, now I don't agree that Matthew Stafford should be this high.


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[Assistant] You'd still have Matthew Stafford at the very least of the top 15. Top, yeaah, top 10. Very least, right?


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[Assistant] That's the end, beginning of the end. And he bounced back. Even Baker, who I think he has Baker 20th. Baker would have been 30th last year.


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[Assistant] You like or dislike a guy maybe because of off the field, but also maybe you just don't like their game. I mean, he's got, like I said, Jalen Hurts, Brock Burdey, and Tua are all way lower than most people would put on his list. Those guys don't have really haters in that way, the same way that Baker and Dushan do.


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[Assistant] And the highest I could talk myself into was 16.


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[Assistant] That was the highest I could talk myself into because I can't put, here's the guys I can't put them ahead of. Okay. Now maybe you're gonna have a couple of these guys and you, and you feel like there is an argument to put them ahead of you.


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[Assistant] This is just like, who's gonna have a better season next year? And there's 15 guys I just couldn't...


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[Assistant] I actually probably would put him closer to 20th, but there were three or four guys that said, I could make an argument that Deshaun could have a better year than those guys. But here's 15 guys that I can't make an argument for Deshaun having a better year than, in my opinion.


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[Assistant] I can't see it, but okay, everybody's entitled to their own opinion. Dak 6, Stroud 7, Trevor Lawrence 8, I'm sure there are people that argue that, 9, 9 Burrow, 10 Love,


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[Assistant] Uh, 11 Kirk Cousins, 12 Jared Goff, 13 Aaron Rodgers, 14 Jalen Hertz.


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[Assistant] Uh, sorry, I took out Cousins. So 13 Jalen Hurts, 14 Brock Purdy, and 15 Tua. Those are the 15 guys.


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[Assistant] I think we're living too much off that second half against the Ravens because nothing else he's done in Cleveland has impressed me.


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[Assistant] Nothing? Nothing outside of that second half. I thought he played good against Titans too. He did play good in that game, but, and that was the only game that he threw for a good completion percentage.


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[Assistant] Like this guy was known for his accuracy and he hasn't been very accurate here. Now I know a lot of things have factored in. His mental state, the time off, the injuries, these all factor in.


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[Assistant] But when I make my projections going forward, I gotta factor those things into at least some degree. Let me ask you this question. They're not gonna all disappear, I don't think.


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[Assistant] He never looked, when I saw him play in Houston, he looked special.


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[Assistant] I watched him play and I said, that's a special quarterback. And I have not seen that here.


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[Assistant] Listen, all these things could play a role. I didn't say I have zero confidence in me bouncing back, and that's why there's confidence. I was just, when the Browns traded for him, I was 100% certain he was going to be great for the Browns.


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[Assistant] And then going into last year, I was still like 90% certain he was going to be great for the Browns. And now I'm like, alright, it's 50-50. And, and my, even the 50% that thinks he can be really good still,


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[Assistant] I thought when the Bronx traded for him, he could be outside of my home as the best quarterback in the NFL. That's gone. And again, I hope I'm wrong. I don't see any, I don't see any way he gets into that group anymore.


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[Assistant] I now don't think he can ever be as good as I thought he would. I still think he can be good, but I'm even not as confident in that, again.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, Matthew, let's dive right into that because obviously some fans in Cleveland, you know, we're a huge football town, so.


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[Assistant] Some fans might be interested in this documentary because it's about Bill Belichick, it's about the Patriots dynasty, but specifically for Cleveland, as Mike just mentioned, it starts with his years in Cleveland. How would you kinda, what would your recap of his time in Cleveland look like?


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[Assistant] Pat, you appreciate it, man. Great. Best of luck. We'll be all watching on Apple TV+. Can't wait. Thanks, man. Appreciate it.


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[Assistant] I think we've got to remember that the majority of people in Cleveland, certainly myself included, even for those who don't believe me, we all want, or most of us want, the Shawn Watson 267.


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[Assistant] Ultimately, yes, yes. There's always gonna be, you don't have to like every player on your team, but you should want them to succeed. I think that's, otherwise you're not really a fan. Go ahead, Mike.


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[Assistant] I would argue that most people would agree that Jack Conklin was a mistake.


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[Assistant] I don't think there was anybody arguing for Jack Conklin getting the money that he got. Mike, I just, here's the thing. I, I, I...


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[Assistant] I've talked, we've talked about a lot when it comes to all sports about analytics, right? And I think, I always said that I think it's important to balance heart or gut and analytics, right? That the best teams have both.


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[Assistant] Working hand in hand. I don't know that it's always easy to do because sometimes those work against each other, right? The analytics will tell you that Nick Chubb is not far from going over the cliff based on traditional running backs.


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[Assistant] It will also tell you that it's insane to pay 16 million dollars for a running back because no team has, like look at, you have that tweet, Mike? I'll give one sec.


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[Assistant] Most teams that, if you look at the Super Bowl teams,


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[Assistant] Most of them, the running back takes up an extremely small percentage of their cap.


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[Assistant] Only the soup bowl winners. Because McCaffrey was probably higher.


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[Assistant] Now, I can't read this because my eyes aren't good enough to read that small. What's the highest percentage of a Super Bowl winner in the last 15 years? Marshawn Lynch.


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[Assistant] Okay, now, at 16 million, the cap's gonna be what, about 250 next year?


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[Assistant] I think it's gonna be like 250. It's supposed to go up pretty high. So at 16 million,


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[Assistant] Bangle fandom, he's one of my, probably my ten, maybe five favorite players ever in football. That's how much I like Nick Chubb. So I have to try to leave that out of it. Because there's a part of me that says, you can't pay this guy 16 million, that's crazy. You can't pay anybody, any running back 16 million, it's just not worth it.


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[Assistant] Now ultimately, I don't think I'll have to make that decision because I think Nick Chubb will understand.


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[Assistant] Nobody coming off of the injury, like, Nick Chubb might not even be ready for the start of the season. Right. No way he's getting paid 16 million. We playing guards 13. Gee.


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[Assistant] No other team's paying him 16 million. You know that. There's no way they're paying 16 million to a running back who's not gonna be ready for the start of the season on May 9th.


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[Assistant] It's 7% of the cap. That's not crazy. But here's the thing. He's a reasonable dude. And as Earl said, you've got to extend this contract. So here's what I'd say to Nick Choe. Here's what I'd say to Nick Choe.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna guarantee him the first two years, guarantee money the first two years, in which he will make


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[Assistant] He'll get 12 million guaranteed and then another 4 million that he can likely make as long as he's healthy. Right? I'm making the whole contract roughly 24 million dollars over 4 years. Now you may say, well that's not enough. He's a great back.


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[Assistant] He's been a great back, I still think he can be. I would build in incentives there where, hey, Nick Chubb stays healthy, has a great season, wins rushing title, we can make more money and more money.


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[Assistant] But in terms of guarantees, I would guarantee him 12 million over two years, with incentives to make more in the next two years. And then, I tack on two years on the contract, beyond that.


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[Assistant] And I think he would take it, I think, I don't know, maybe I'm crazy, I think he would take it because Nick Chubb loves playing for the Browns.


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[Assistant] Take what he says in a press conference as like, well, that's a fact.


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[Assistant] I think if you can guarantee Nick Chubb money for two years, maybe even three, even if it's less money per year, it makes sense for all sides.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Well, I mean, listen, I've been very critical of Jimmy Haslam, in my opinion, deservedly so.


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[Assistant] But the one thing I credit him for is he spends, right? If it wasn't for that, maybe nothing good about him. But the Browns, forget the cap, because the Browns actually have cap room, they won't for next year. They'll have to do some things.


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[Assistant] But in terms of money spent, actual, cause there's a difference between money spent and cap hits. Right? Cause all these things they do. In terms of money spent on the roster, I believe the Browns actually spent the most money on their roster.


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[Assistant] In 2023, right? That is a fact. And they're on, I think they're probably gonna be that way in 2024 also.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, there's, listen, as long as you're willing to continue to kick the can down the road, there is a lot of flexibility with the cap.


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[Assistant] But that doesn't necessarily mean you want to pay every guy over the top.


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[Assistant] We can, I listen, I think he's a terrible owner, but we're not, we'll debate that another day because you, just spending money doesn't make you good. The Dodgers have spent the most money, they've won one World Series in 40 years, and that was in a COVID year.


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[Assistant] They spent a lot of money there. Yeah, there's no doubt. There's no complaint with the money spent. Uh, but I, I think in the end, we're all in agreement, Mike. Nick Chubb has to be on this team. There's, nobody wants to see him in another uniform.


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[Assistant] I would rather any, like, as much as I love Myles Garrett, if you said, okay, only one of those two guys, Myles Garrett or Nick Chubb, can spend their whole career in browns uniform, who would you take? I would take Nick Chubb, as much as I love Myles Garrett too. I ain't gonna lie, I'm taking Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] I said play with dinosaurs as if dinosaurs still exist, by the way. Yeah.


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[Assistant] But I don't think you brought that up from a white black stamp. No. I can't speak for you. Uh, but I would say the only, my only argument to that would be that I don't think anybody thought that was a good contract either. I mean, I think, I think most of the people saying you can't pay Nick Chubb that money


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[Assistant] They need to do a Larry Bird one too because I am fascinated when I hear other Lakers, mostly Lakers players, but other players of his era talk about Larry Bird and like the trash talking he did.


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[Assistant] Uh, well, I mean, those teams, first of all, you're out of pocket if you say this team is better now. If you say that they could, could be better, okay, I can listen to that.


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[Assistant] Like, I cannot put this team at, I think, could this team potentially be better? I think potential possible. Because Donovan is there. That's what I was trying to say.


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[Assistant] My two guys are, you got a graphic for both of them or? There you go. Joe Schobert and Mike Napoli. So Mike Napoli was only here one year.


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[Assistant] Uh, so he was up there. And then Joe Schobert's on there because I thought, and I've said this before, I thought Joe Schobert was going to become my first


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[Assistant] Uh, active athlete that was a friend. I have former athletes that are friends, but I've never had an active athlete that was a friend. And when Joe first joined the Browns, we end up interviewing him a lot on the Bull and Fox show because he was always willing to talk.


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[Assistant] Oh, and uh, Jason Giambi for that time he was here. He had a walk-off homer.


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[Assistant] They were losing in the bottom of the ninth, and Giambi had a walk-off home run. I was at the stadium against the White Sox.


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[Assistant] And the play, it was for a regular season game, it was as crazy as I've ever seen it. Obviously because it's the Indians regular season, it wasn't packed. But it was crowded the more than usual because it was like the last week and they had to win every game to make the playoffs and they did. And he hit that walk off homer and everybody went bananas. It was so cool to see that person.


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[Assistant] Right, it is levels, like De'Quel wasn't Nick Chubb or Myles Garrett level, but he was a Pro Bowl player. Superstar's too strong, but he was a Pro. Joe Schumpert was a Pro Bowl player. That's true.


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[Assistant] But I feel like D'Quel was a legit pro ball. Oh yea. Chobbert was like a bunch of guys cancelled so he went.


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[Assistant] Well, between Earl's hair and my, uh, beard, neither, neither. Right, oh yeaah, we breaking a lot of rules. I got this grubby beard.


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[Assistant] Uh, I'm trying to think, so, well, let's see, let's think of black members of the sports media in Cleveland since I've been here, besides you guys. You got, uh, Jerrod and Emmett. No. NK and R, those guys don't. No. You had the BSK. No. Andre not. No.


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[Assistant] There was a sport, I can't remember his name.


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[Assistant] If he's in DC now, he did sports here for like a year or two.


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[Assistant] Recently, but he was, he was a big dude. He had a bald head. I can't remember his name.


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[Assistant] Really nice, really nice. How long has that been in your possession? About five years. So you bought it.


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[Assistant] Welcome to the program. Joe Flacco is going to join us in the second, second hour, right? Noon?


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[Assistant] Yep. Coming on at noon. Yeah, very nice. Very nice. So we'll ask him, you know, what his future holds. Will he be with the Browns? I think he's established with Bull and others that yeah, he'd love to be back in Cleveland if it works out that way. But I saw a list of the top 50 free agents.


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[Assistant] Coming into the season? Who was number one? Tyvis? I think Baker Mayfield. No, it should be Tyvis.


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[Assistant] Uh, welcome to the program. We've got a lot to get through, most notably the Cavs last night. We're gonna start with that, but before we do, Mikey McNuggets was at the game.


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[Assistant] Saw it up close and personal. Uh, I liked what I saw. It looked good. These are, you know, for everybody that was saying, you know, they were racking up wins against bad teams. True. But these last two have been, uh, contenders in the East and now the West. What'd you think, Mikey? Out of one to ten, what'd you think last night?


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[Assistant] Yeah, but at this point they can't do that yet, so what else do they have to do? You're right. And think about where we are now compared to where we were.


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[Assistant] We've got much more on the calves, but first Mikey needs a read and that'll get us off and running.


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[Assistant] Here's my fear, because everybody tells me that, no, no, no, this team absolutely has to have Garland and Mitchell on the court at the same time. Has to happen. What happens now? Is he going to be less likely to give the ball back because he realizes he may not touch it again on that possession?


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[Assistant] See, that's what I think too. And I don't know if JB has come to that, but we can make a list of takeaways that we've learned.


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[Assistant] Because of the injuries recently. And to me, that's one of them.


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[Assistant] And the other one is, I think, and I think we saw it last night. I know he was doing load management because he's just coming back. I love checkerboarding the minutes for Mobley and Allen. I love it.


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[Assistant] I think the Cavs finally realized it's not going to happen. He went down year one to year two in his three point shooting percentage. But he was 19 years old. He's 21 now, but here's what I'm saying. But Jay, the only way you can do it is if, the only way you can find out is if you do it. That's not true.


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[Assistant] With shooting, Mike, correct me if I'm wrong. With shooting, obviously things change when you got a hand in your face.


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[Assistant] You're talking about a seven footer. And we talked about this on the program a number of weeks ago about why women are more built from a skeletal standpoint to shoot three-pointers. Things are more in line. Men have bigger collarbones. Their shoulders are broad. That gets their arms in funny angles. It's not a given that


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[Assistant] He's going to become a great shooter. There are a lot of players that have tried


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[Assistant] With all of their might to become better free, uh, uh, shooters. We saw Shaq a couple of years. He went from, I don't care about free throw shooting. I'm going to still score 30 a game to, okay, I see with a hack of Shaq, I've got to get better. He never got better, but he


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[Assistant] I'm wondering, well, the Cavs certainly made it a point of emphasis after his rookie season. They told him, this offseason, you're gonna get better at shooting threes. He came back and he got three percentage points worse.


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[Assistant] Because no, I don't, I'm not saying that in a derogatory way. What, let me say it this way. What you're saying is the perfect situation. Yes. Because obviously now he becomes a threat on the outside. That changes the way everybody plays defense against them. But Mike, on the point of him becoming a better shooter,


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[Assistant] Okay, so let me ask you this, at that point in his life,


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[Assistant] Is this, and I don't know because I didn't follow it closely with him.


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[Assistant] What a wonderful world it would be if this guy could make three-pointers. But are we gonna let Austin Hedges steal bases?


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[Assistant] Yes. I said they want him to shoot, and you're saying he shouldn't shoot. Bull. They have possibly, perhaps, we don't know this, I don't know that they've been asked this.


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[Assistant] But G, there is one difference. In baseball, if you have two A-plus pitches, no one's gonna touch you. They're fine with that.


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[Assistant] If you have a B plus pitch and your secondary pitch is a C plus pitch, you damn well better get a third and fourth pitch. You're gonna need to. So, but in Allen's case, or excuse me, in Mobley's case, he has some A plus skills.


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[Assistant] Let me ask Mike a question. Mike, what, obviously the player's psyche factors into that. He clearly doesn't have confidence in the shot, or he would let it rip more often.


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[Assistant] So what is, what is the, because the premise is, is like, yeaah, I want a Maserati.


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[Assistant] The Cavs say they want nothing more than for Evan Mobley to become a shooter. If you're the Guardians, you want nothing more than your outfielders to each hit 30 home runs. Like of course. That's not the same thing, Jay. Well you know what you want. He's saying that he's capable. Now I'm gonna go to that. Now, to the point where


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[Assistant] Apparently he has a green light to do this. So jump into his mind as a shooter. Why isn't he doing it?


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[Assistant] No, he has said in the past, he's gotta start shooting those shots when he's open. He's had, and I've seen it, he's had instances where he's been open on the wing with the ball in his hand. And you know what I'm saying when I'm watching it? Don't do it.


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[Assistant] And he continues to be what he's been, he's gonna, his confidence is going to erode.


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[Assistant] Because he's not making those shots, he becomes less likely to shoot those shots if he, shoot or shoot. They don't care about the percentages and I totally agree. And I think someone said Rajon Rondo or whoever it was. Hell yeaah man, that guy's built the shoot.


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[Assistant] I also, I'm, I'm just of the mindset, I'm a little different than you guys in that you say, no, you know, you can just tell yourself, no, no, no, I'm tough now. And then you're tough. Or no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm a three, I'm a three point shooter now. And now you're a three point shooter. It isn't really different from a guy in baseball saying, oh, now I'm a home run hitter.


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[Assistant] For every 10 minutes of floor time you get, I want at least one three-pointer.


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[Assistant] And that's a mandate. I'm not, you pick when the spot is. If you play 30 minutes, you better have three point, three three point shot attempts. We have to figure out if you've gotten any better.


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[Assistant] Maybe he knows he didn't work hard enough on it and he knows he's not going to suddenly start magically getting threes. So it is a confidence issue for me. Sure. And I don't want a guy who's shaky in his confidence.


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[Assistant] Evan Mobley has a high ceiling, we all agree. That's why nobody wants to trade this guy. If he doesn't develop that shot, he'll never be the unicorn we thought and hoped he could be.


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[Assistant] So if I'm JB, I tell him it's in your hands. You can be a really good player. You can be an elite defender. But if you want to be an elite player who a team can build around and you can lead to a championship, this is the missing piece.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and he hasn't been near the 30s yet. So, and what if he, what if he does start jacking up threes and he's 20%? We still gotta shoot him. Well, then you learn you can't play him.


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[Assistant] And the reason you can't do it, there's a, I don't, you may know the equation. It was explained to me once about the percent, where you have to be.


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[Assistant] Like three point shooters, obviously the game's not a three point shooting contest because guys can make them. But in the past, before guys could make them at this clip,


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[Assistant] It was, analytically, you put yourself at a disadvantage when you did it. I think it was around 33%.


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[Assistant] If I'm not mistaken, was the base number for where you want to be.


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[Assistant] Because obviously it's three points versus two points, and a three-pointer is a third more than two. So if, when you start shooting below the 30%, you're, you're putting yourself at a statistical disadvantage. It kind of depends on the player though.


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[Assistant] It's a make or miss league. No, it goes up. It goes like two points and three points. The difference between two and three. It's 67%. A two is 67%. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] What about if the guy was, if it's Mike Evans and he's been around for 10 seasons?


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[Assistant] I think we should be able to ask the contestants questions. Sure. Just like the dating game.


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[Assistant] At least, I think at least one. Contestant number four will not. No, I don't think he will either. Uh, I wanna ask contestant number one. Yes sir.


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[Assistant] If they don't, then they stumbled into success and they're gonna work their way back into failure.


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[Assistant] Did you guys see the part of the Quincy Avery and Deshaun Watson podcast? Oh, you have it? We'll play it for you in one sec.


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[Assistant] Again, uh, I couldn't play along with your pretend exercise.


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[Assistant] I work in reality. In my real world, and look, I hope Cincinnati doesn't franchise them. If they don't, I think Cleveland has a


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[Assistant] I think they would be the team to get, to beat, to get them. Because you just heard their quarterback, who we've already decided we're going to give the keys to the castle. Who do you want? What do you want? And I, if you paid attention and maybe you couldn't hear it because G and I were running our yaps.


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[Assistant] But, one of the things that stood out to me about that is, we're gonna throw the ball. Oh, a lot. We're gonna throw it a lot.


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[Assistant] So that explains a lot of the things that have happened recently. AVP out. Ken Dorsey throw heavy coordinator in. They have told him.


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[Assistant] What do you want to do? That's what we're going to do. But Pittman's just as likely to be franchised as Pickens. I believe, I believe you're right, but I don't know that I believe that. I believe that of the two, I think that in my mind, Pittman's more likely to be available.


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[Assistant] They are, I call them the three amigos. You've got to keep these three together. Chase, Higgins, and Burrow. That's a championship core. I agree. I still think. So the stakes are higher for Cincinnati. They're a Super Bowl contender if they keep Higgins. The Colts are not if they bring Michael Pittman. Well I don't think they


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[Assistant] What are the red flags with Marquis Brown?


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[Assistant] You didn't just go to the bathroom. You made a mess.


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[Assistant] I like Mike Evans, but I just, I'm worried about the age. He ain't leaving. I'm worried about the age. And he had some drops this year that were uncharacteristic. He did last year with Tom Brady too. With Brady and with Baker this year. He dropped some passes.


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[Assistant] Wide open. Wide open. I think what we could agree on is, in your vein of operation stockpile, it better be two. Again, I said, I said that Andrew Barry


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[Assistant] Saw after the 22 season, we have two gaping holes on this roster.


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[Assistant] Defensive, middle of the defensive line and wide receiver. Instead of...


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[Assistant] He went Operation Stockpile part one on the D line and this year's priority and number one objective is to go out and get the wide receivers to make that call.


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[Assistant] Still used car lot, but they're certified used, certified new.


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[Assistant] Three guys that we've all heard of, but they're not on the certified pre-owned lot.


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[Assistant] Joe, what a season, what a, wasn't even a season, back third of the season. Uh, I'm wondering what was your highlight? What was the moment that you will remember most from that crazy run?


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[Assistant] Do you, do you get a sense that with that move, that the Browns are going to shift the play calling responsibilities from Kevin to Ken?


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[Assistant] Joe, what's next? Obviously, and I know that you're not done playing football and I think somebody's going to bring you in for sure. And my hope is you get an opportunity to start again, but let's move past the playing field. Uhm, you could coach.


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[Assistant] You could go into the broadcasting end of it and you can have another 20 year career there. What is next for Joe Flacco when you finally put the helmet away?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, no, he's a first-rate guy. Uh, it comes through. It's the way he handles himself.


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[Assistant] I don't think he's done. I don't. I saw enough highlight moments in big moments in games to


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[Assistant] Tell myself that this guy can play in the, to your question. Yeaah, he's one of the top 32 in the world.


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[Assistant] You're not gonna go backwards and not start the guy. I'm just saying I saw enough out of Bryce Young to know that he is not ready.


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[Assistant] I mean, and I would give up on Bryce Young, he's 5'10", but maybe there's a team that drafts a quarterback this year that thinks he needs a mentor, he needs to learn how to be a pro, like Baker did. I'm about to say the commanders. The commanders are another team, like we don't know, but again,


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[Assistant] How played for whole season and had moments. Maybe it's a guy who's not currently in the NFL, who's going to be drafted highly by a team to be the future. And they're going to immediately say, I'm going to sign professor flack flack of LA Patriots are a possibility.


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[Assistant] It all depends. There will be teams next year that get ready to go into the season with a guy that they love for the future, but they're afraid of what's going to happen in the short term. Joe is the perfect tutor to come in and show him how to carry yourself and be a professional.


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[Assistant] Y'all are sick, you know that? Y'all need help. We do need help.


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[Assistant] Now, if it worked, shouldn't a view of it, because you read it and got such a great break, shouldn't that have been a pick? No.


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[Assistant] Look at how awful he was in Atlanta. Well, but you know what though? The list of OCs that were effective, that were debacle head coaches and DCs, it's long. It's hard to do it and I loved what Joe said.


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[Assistant] I thought he gave us insight on that and the analytics. On the OC was fantastic. But the OC was, it was enlightening to hear him say that. And I've always heard guys say when you're the OC, that's a 65 hour a week full time job. Whether you're the head coach or not, you still have to be the OC. So,


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[Assistant] In Atlanta, where, I'm just guessing, where Smith got buried was with all the other stuff he had to do. You're, you're the master to all, and you're good at none of it.


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[Assistant] When you're the head coach that you call the plays, it's really difficult because you're still the OC. You're still, you're calling plays. You're, that's where you're,


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[Assistant] Thrust is and he said if you're getting pulled in a million different directions, how do you have time to sit in on the DB meeting? How do you have time to sit in on the line?


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[Assistant] I, no, I don't think it was, he was saying it shouldn't be done, but I think what he said was, in most situations, the offensive coordinator calls the plays. So when the head coach...


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[Assistant] So when the head coach takes on that responsibility, you can see he's getting pulled in a million different directions. Some people can multitask and do it, and I think in Smith's case, he couldn't. No, obviously not.


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[Assistant] Because I'm going, here's the thing, it's Mount Rushmore. You want people to come and see it. You want people to spend money.


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[Assistant] Uh, I, I really was, I was close to putting Rajay Davis. It was, for me it was between Rajay Davis and Tito. But.


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[Assistant] Imagine that you draw this Mount Rushmore up, and you put Rajay Davis on there. There'll be a lot of people that say, I think that might be Rajay Davis, but I'm not sure. Like this is, this is like the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Pretty Good.


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[Assistant] They're not good. 1.6 points a game, right? Oh, no. No, no, no. We averaging? No. So he's averaging 1.8 points. Let's not short him. Okay. He's averaging a rebound a game. Okay. He's averaging less than an assist per game. Okay.


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[Assistant] You can just ask Mike. Mike. B-boy Paul is legit though. He can play. In general, the G-league. It is...


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[Assistant] Maybe of all the sports, because there's no really minor league for the NFL. It's college football.


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[Assistant] But of all the sports that have a feeder league system, that is the one that for me I value the absolute least. What you have on any given night is 10 different guys running around a court with 10 different objectives, all trying to get the eyes of an NBA team. So let me give you an example. He's a good G League player.


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[Assistant] Rocked you by the people that swear that the best owner in Cleveland sports is Jimmy Haslam.


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[Assistant] No, I don't hate analytics. I think that's the label that Bull has tried to give me.


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[Assistant] What I have always said, listen, if anybody's analytic, it's me. I think I've told this story before, I took the ACT's, I bombed the English and everything.


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[Assistant] I aced the math. I went to my high school guidance counselor and said, I'm going to be a sportscaster. Doesn't that include English language and writing? I said, yeah. She goes, no, please don't. Follow in the family business and become an engineer and be, be, go to your strength.


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[Assistant] I love stats, however, we misuse them. And Joe, I was, my favorite moment in the history of this show so far.


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[Assistant] Was when Joe explained the misuse of analytics in the NFL, he said exactly what I always say. You can't take a sample size of 250, which was built by every team in the NFL, and expect that you're going to be able to apply those same statistics to your situation.


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[Assistant] So you know what, it almost sounds like this to me, instead of the first 15, to me it sounds like your favorite 15. Like these are based on what they run as a base defense and what we do, these are 15 plays that we can keep in our hip pocket and we can go to, he probably has 5 for 1st and 10, 5 for 2nd and


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[Assistant] Uh, edition of No Fence Riders later, so we'll get to that. We got this report we have to get to. Off the top, before any of that.


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[Assistant] It is officially Super Bowl week and FanDuel America's number one sportsbook wants to wish everyone who celebrates a very happy Super Bowl Sunday. If you're like us, Super Bowl Sunday is all about scoring the best seats on the couch.


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[Assistant] Over 86 and a half seconds on the National Anthem. It's never been that short before. The over under lowest, or I guess shortest, over under in National Anthem length history hammered the over on that one.


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[Assistant] Five part parlay, Kat over 25 points, DeRozan over 25 points, Busevich over 20, Edwards over 35.


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[Assistant] And Kobe White over 20, all five of those hit. He turned $5 into $774.65. If you guys have winning fan duel tickets, make sure you send it to us on Twitter or via email and we'll continue to feature them throughout the show. And we expect to have a ton of winning Superbowl tickets come Monday and tomorrow next week.


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[Assistant] They take off the opposite direction, too. The runways, they take off that way, they land coming towards Brown Stadium. Yeah, but still, you still have to fly over it. You still have to fly over it.


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[Assistant] Can I cut you off for one sec? We have a statement on this from the Browns. So I want to read this. This is from Peter John Baptiste, Jason's best friend.


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[Assistant] We've been clear on how complex future stadium planning can be. One certainty out is our commitment to greatly improving


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[Assistant] Our fan experience while also creating a transformative and lasting impact to benefit


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[Assistant] All of Northeast Ohio. We understand the magnitude of the opportunity with the stadium project intent on driving more large scale events to our region. And we are methodically looking at every possibility. We appreciate the collaborative process with the city of Cleveland and the leadership of mayor bibb in analyzing the land bridge and renovating the current stadium.


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[Assistant] At the same time as part of our comprehensive planning efforts, we are also studying other potential stadium options in Northeast Ohio at various additional sites. There is still plenty of work to do and diligence to process before a long-term stadium solution is determined and we'll share further updates at the appropriate time.


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[Assistant] So I got a poll result and then one final question before we move on. What do you think?


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[Assistant] Before I tell you the answer, downtown or move elsewhere bowl in a perfect world.


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[Assistant] Jason, in a perfect world, would you rather have it stay downtown or move?


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[Assistant] So the poll results with 513 votes, Jason Lloyd nailed it to a T. 60-40. Stayed downtown. 40%. Move out somewhere else. So we'll see. We'll continue to follow this. Any new updates, we'll continue to update you guys. But as of now.


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[Assistant] Alright guys, before we move on to our next topic tonight, 5 o'clock, the debut!


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[Assistant] The ultimate 2-1-6 show with our guy, Earl the Pearl. We were going over some potential topics the other day. He won't tell me exactly what's on the docket today, which means you know it's about to be spicy. Because if it was something controversial or something that would...


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[Assistant] Not elicit a reaction. He would've told me before, so he'd be fine. But nah, it's gonna be fire tonight. 5 o'clock, The Ultimate 216 Show. Make sure y'all tune in to Earl The Pearl. It's the debut!


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[Assistant] The first ever two one six show. So make sure you guys show Earl some love yesterday.


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[Assistant] Earl, Earl the Pearl, EDP, whatever you want, check him out 5 o'clock on the Ultimate 216 show. Yesterday the Browns hired Andy Dickerson as their new offensive line coach. He was their first candidate for the offensive coordinator position. And Bull, I think you were the one, it was either you or Jason, one of you two alluded to the fact that


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[Assistant] Well hey, Brian Callahan may get a head coaching job. That means Bill may leave. Maybe this was a preview for the OL position if it opens up. You turn out to be spot on.


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[Assistant] He was the assistant offensive line coach in St. Louis and also had some, some hand in the run game. He was also the Seahawks run game coordinator. One stat for you guys. This is the one thing I was able to find. Shout out to...


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[Assistant] Uh, Mack the Buffalo on Twitter for this one, but the Seahawks had nine different offensive linemen last season. Play at least 200 snaps. So another injured offensive line, just like the Browns.


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[Assistant] I mean, it just depends on what metric you look at. These are the basic, basic stats. They were 10th in points, 19th in passing yards, 12th in rushing yards. They led the league in turnovers, so.


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[Assistant] The dead money's crazy too, Jason. I told you. It's like 18 or 20 million. Uh, this year, his dead money's 27 and a half.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, uh, post June. Yeah. Dead money and cap savings. Yeah. Post.


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[Assistant] They'll save, they would lose $15 million if they cut them before the start of next season. They'd save $5 million if they cut them after the season before 2025. They'd save $10 million if they cut them after 2025, 2026.


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[Assistant] We're going to make our next part of our ultimate same game parlay. If you're watching, make sure to hit the like button, hit the subscribe button. It's totally free. Helps us out a ton on the back end. We very much appreciate it. The three legs of our ultimate same game parlay so far are under.


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[Assistant] 245 and a half passing yards for Brock party over 67 and a half rushing yards for Isaac Pacheco over 72 and a half receiving yards for Travis Kelsey. And today's part of the parlay.


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[Assistant] Anytime touchdown scores. I took the super long shots off the board because I didn't think we'd ever come to a consensus on a Noah Gray 23 to 1 odds. So these are the five or six, cause there was two guys with the same odds, best or shortest odds to score at any time touchdown. We'll do this quickly, about five minutes, but guys.


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[Assistant] So I'll look it up. I may have left him, uh, left one off.


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[Assistant] If you guys want to include Pacheco, I only had 5 spots. If you want to include Pacheco at minus 130.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's go with Kelsey, Mike. So we'll add Kelsey and make that the fourth leg of our parlay, which means Purdy under 245.5, Pacheco over 67.5.


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[Assistant] We'll go with Kelsey. We'll lock it in. That means we have over Kelsey on the receiving yards and a touchdown and we will finish this off tomorrow. We're going to talk baseball for a few minutes. What's tomorrow?


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[Assistant] It's gonna be special prop bets. Special prop bets. So we'll pick a random prop bet to wrap this all up.


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[Assistant] Tonight, 5 o'clock, we mentioned it earlier. Let's mention it again though. The Ultimate 216 Show launches, Earl the Pearl, 5pm. You can go back and check out the Ultimate Brown Show at G on Monday. Jason and I did an Ultimate Cav Show on Tuesday. Tonight, the Ultimate 216 Show, Culture, Sports, a little bit of life advice with our guy, Earl the Pearl.


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[Assistant] Jake Trotter will join us in 10 minutes to talk Browns, we'll do Cavs, no Fence Riders after that, but guys, we haven't talked Guardians in a while, and Major League Baseball is releasing its top 100 players of the upcoming season, and our guide Josh Naylor,


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[Assistant] You don't think Josh Naylor's better than 96. What's that? You don't think Josh Naylor's better than 96. I mean, he might be.


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[Assistant] The guys ahead of him on this, 93, 91 is Nathan Evald, 92, Dylan Cease, 93, Cal Raleigh, 94, Gabriel Moreno, 95, Royce Lewis, 96, Josh Naylor, 97, Tristan Casas, 98, Nathaniel Lowe, 99, Mack McLean, and number 100, Ellie De La Cruz.


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[Assistant] I also have the 70s, 60s, and 80s too if you want to see those afterwards.


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[Assistant] Here's 90 to 81. Anthony won't have to go grab Jake, so I'm just going to read these names. 90's Jordan Montgomery.


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[Assistant] 85, JD Martinez, who might be 58 years old at this point.


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[Assistant] 84 Seiya Suzuki. Did I pronounce it right? Seiya.


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[Assistant] 83 Marcella Zuna, 82 Wilson Contreras, 81 William Contreras.


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[Assistant] Uh, do you guys want it real quick? Bolt, do you want 70 to 80 real quick and then- Go ahead, 70 to 80. Let's have a problem. 80 is Edwin Diaz of the Mets. 79, Mets.


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[Assistant] Max Muncie, 78, Isaac Paredes, 77, Josh Lowe, 76, Josh Springer, uh, George Springer, excuse me, 75, George Kirby, 74, Tyler Glasnow, 73, Kyle Bradish, 72, Christian Jelich, and 71, Brian Reynolds.


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[Assistant] Outside of Jose, will there be another Guardian in the top?


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[Assistant] The top pitcher they've released is the guy that the Dodgers just signed out of Japan. Yoshinibar Yamamoto.


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[Assistant] 61-64, all pitchers. Yamamoto, 61. Verlander, 62. Kodai Senga, of the Mets. And Justin Steele of the Cubs, who had a... Yeah, Justin Steele was top.


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[Assistant] So make sure you visit FanDuel.com slash UCSS to sign up. That is FanDuel.com slash UCSS. Make every moment more with FanDuel, an official sports book sponsor of the NFL. And with that, we welcome in Jake Trotter, Brownsbeat reporter for ESPN.com. Jake, Jake, thanks for coming in today.


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[Assistant] Make sure you follow me on Twitter, at Jake underscore Trotter. Always a pleasure having Jake in here. A reminder, tonight, 5 o'clock, Earl the Pearl, The Ultimate 216 Show, makes its debut. If you're not watching, the question is, what are you doing instead? Nothing better than what Earl has to say, a little sports culture mix here.


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[Assistant] And it is happening at five o'clock. You check out all of our ultimate spinoff shows on our YouTube channel. They have individualized playlists. And speaking of Earl the pearl, he's going to join us real quick with a.


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[Assistant] Black History Month update and spotlights or who we, who we focusing on today.


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[Assistant] And Earl is going to continue to do this. We're going to try doing it daily here on UCSS. It's definitely daily on his Twitter accounts. If you're not following Earl, make sure you guys tune in. You'll learn something. I've learned something. None of us knew who Sherman Jaco Maxwell was before today. So you'll leave a better person listening to Earl.


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[Assistant] Let's do it. None of these are unanimous, by the way. None of these are unanimous. We have a six pack of questions. As you guys know, no fence riders. It's a yes or no answer. No middling. It's definitive. And let's get to it. First question. Will the Cavs make any type of move?


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[Assistant] Well, these are just potential buyout guys to keep an eye on. Uh, Andre Drummond.


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[Assistant] Couple more names, uh, Kyle Lowry, for your veteran backup.


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[Assistant] Just two more names real quick, uh, Patty Mills, another veteran point guard who has championship experience and a guy with maybe the most upside of all the candidates, always hurt, never know what you're getting with him, but Victor Oladipo, who's another combo guard.


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[Assistant] Are the Cavs one of the two best teams in the Eastern Conference right now? Bull, Tyvis, myself, and Earl.


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[Assistant] So, Philadelphia's in fifth right now, they're eight and a half games back, three and a half of the Cavs.


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[Assistant] No, so seven plays ten, or seven plays eight. Winner of that gets the seven.


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[Assistant] I'm scared of- Listen. They could beat Miami.


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[Assistant] They lost the heat. They lost the heat. Once again, I said they're top two teams. I'm not scared of anybody. I think the Cavs could win. I'm just saying, in a perfect world, you'd much rather not face those teams in a playoff scenario.


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[Assistant] You would love to play Indiana in the first round.


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[Assistant] Will Evan Mote attempt 75 3-pointers by the end of the season? I did the math for you guys. There's 33 games left. That is 2.33s per game. Will he attempt 75 by the end of the regular season? Myself and Jason said yes. The rest of y'all said no.


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[Assistant] Good thing about shooters, and that's gonna lead us to our next question, but when you start making shots, it seems like you get more shots. Your teammates are more willing to pass and make an extra pass if, you know, if Evan Mobley wasn't comfortable shooting and Donovan Mitchell has a decent look.


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[Assistant] You know, him taking a decent look over passing to an Evan Mobley who's not gonna shoot that, kind of falls out of what you can do.


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[Assistant] Next up, uh, I wanna tell you guys, before we bring this up Steve, don't take this. This was a 4-3 split. I'm actually mad at the three people who said no.


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[Assistant] Just telling you, I'm actually mad at the three people who said no because it's a disrespectful answer. The question is, will Sam Merrill finish the season 40% or better from three? And I'm just telling y'all right now.


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[Assistant] Jason Bull and Jay all said no, and I am actually mad at you guys. That is insulting to the world's single second best shooter in the history of the universe right now.


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[Assistant] Alright, right now, there are 45 players shooting 40% from 3 in the NBL.


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[Assistant] Grayson Allen leads the NBA in three point percentage. He's shooting five threes per game. He's shooting 49%.


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[Assistant] That I'm more in favor of. Let me read you guys of the 40 players who are shooting over 40% from three on at least three attempts per game. So we're taking out the guys who's shooting one. We'll run through this real quick cause we got a little bit of time.


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[Assistant] I'm taking out the stars. So like Duran's on this Kawaii- these are just non-stars.


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[Assistant] Norman Powell, Sam Merrill, Doug McDermott, Lonnie Walker, Marcus Sasser, Gary Trent, Isaiah Joe, Kason Wallace, Dante DiVincenzo,


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[Assistant] D'Angelo Russell, Sam Hauser, Nas Reed, Dario Sarge, Emanuel Quickly, Trey Lyles, Josh Green, Jamal Murray, Alex Caruso, Jeremy Grant, Derek White, Aaron Holliday, Alex Brown, FIRE JONES!


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[Assistant] Which is also why if he falls out of the rotation and he's over 40%, then...


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[Assistant] Alright, next one. So, Earl the Pearl is not sitting next to us. He had, uh, he leaves a little early on Thursdays because he goes to therapy at one o'clock and then comes back does the show. So he's not sitting here, but this was a question because something Earl said earlier on the show got caught up in, uh, the Cavs Twitter sphere. And I was hoping he was here to defend himself, but he's not. Number five.


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[Assistant] Will Darius Garland be a staple in the Cavs crunch time lineup by the end of the season? On Monday, Earl said no.


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[Assistant] But he's changed his answer. The only one that says no now is Jay cause he's not here. Oh no.


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[Assistant] Anthony, you screwed that one up royally. Yeaah. Absolutely royally. Only person who said no on this answer is Jay.


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[Assistant] Anthony totally botched the graphic here. Anthony did a terrible job out of you.


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[Assistant] So the real answer, ignore what the graphic says. Everyone said yes, but Jay, Jay didn't answer, so I put him in the no.


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[Assistant] And this one, it was, uh, not unanimous. Anthony got this right, I double checked. So, Anthony, bad job last time, good job this time.


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[Assistant] And I'm gonna ask the second part of this question. So the question is, will a cavalier not name Donovan Mitchell?


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[Assistant] Jason G. Tyvis, myself, and Earl said yes. Bull and Jay said no. So Bull, tell us why no first. For the yesers, including myself, let's talk about who we think will be the player to score more than 30 points. Bull, you're up first.


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[Assistant] I think Laverte has a very, I mean he's the hottest when he makes a couple shots.


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[Assistant] He's going to go for 50. Like he, not he's going to go for 50, but he's looking and playing like 50 Garland always to make a couple of threes and the Yang got close. He had 34 in a game this year. Jason and I were at the bucks game when he didn't miss a game. Max Drews could get red hot. Sam Merrill can make 12 threes in a game. I mean, there are chances Evan Mobley, Sam Merrill.


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[Assistant] That is true. My best bet is Mitch, uh, not Mitchell. Derek Scarland, excuse me. I put second on...


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[Assistant] Levert's career-high is 32. Not Levert, uh, Shrooze.


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[Assistant] And then we're gonna talk about some other trades that have happened, by the way, because there are some big non-cabs trades that affect the cabs in a sec.


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[Assistant] They traded Bogdanovich and Burks for Quinton Grimes, Malachi Flynn, Evan Fournier, Ryan, Archer Diocono, and two second round picks.


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[Assistant] Did he play much for them? They just did the Knicks a favor. That's crazy. But it just gives them another 6'8 wing who can shoot.


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[Assistant] If they're all healthy. If they're all healthy. Yeaah. They go Jalen Brunson who's a small guard.


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[Assistant] Not a ton, but he's on the last year of his deal. He's a veteran and he's a pretty good shooter facilitator for the second unit for them. They gave up guys who weren't playing a lot. They gave up Trey Mann and, uh, Davis Bertons. The Raptors traded Dennis Schroeder to the nets for Spencer Dinwoodie, which is essentially just a money for money move. Thad Young is coming to the nets with Dennis Schroeder.


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[Assistant] Alright, who cares. Anything else big, scrolling through the timeline?


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[Assistant] Daniel Gaffer could play. Uh, the Sixers traded Daniel House, uh, for a second round pick in part of that next piston swap.


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[Assistant] The Jazz sent Kelly Olenek and Ochai Obaji, former Cavs pick who was traded in part for Donovan Mitchell.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, that makes sense. I was interning for, uh, Fox 5 in Boston.


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[Assistant] Uh, but yeaah, they traded him to Toronto for Keira Lewis, Otto Porter Jr. in a first round pick.


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[Assistant] He did. And last one, we talked about the 76ers earlier. I know you mentioned this quick, but Buddy Heald has been traded from Indiana to Philadelphia for Marcus Morris, Furkmont, Corkmaz, and three second rounds.


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[Assistant] Uh, Sandy Aldama? No, Simone Fontecchio. Fontecchio diamonds. Fontecchio. He got traded yesterday.


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[Assistant] Let's get em, we got a bunch, we didn't have any the last couple days, we got four, uh, five here today.


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[Assistant] First one comes from DBDog21. Let me change to super real quick. DBDog21 says...


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[Assistant] 2017 and 2023, they paid a total of 11 billion.


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[Assistant] Charles T said, if Cleveland doesn't split the cost of the stadium, can we be made


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[Assistant] I'm not, I read it, Charles, you may have to look in the chat if Charles answers, I'm not sure that made sense. If Cleveland doesn't split the cost of the stadium, can we be made if Haslam moves and builds whatever he wants?


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[Assistant] Okay, I think if Cleveland doesn't split the cost of stadium, can we be mad? Not made. Can we be mad if Haslam moves and builds whatever he wants? Also for people saying they won't pay taxes, you will end up paying super high ticket costs.


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[Assistant] Uh, next one comes from Sly. Sly says, if G was here, he'd say Amani Bates over 35, easy.


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[Assistant] We got two more, they're both trade deadline thoughts. Matthew Dinkus says, the Cavs can trade Evan Mobley, Bill Simmons said so, shrug emoji. And Dinkus then said, and this will react to, we got four minutes to react to this.


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[Assistant] Matthew Dinkus says, trade Darius Garland for players and assets and trade Evan Mobley for Cade Cunningham straight up. Let's witness ourselves a championship.


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[Assistant] And we want to apologize, actually. We, uh, we made overtime private, not for members only. There was a little confusion on the production side.


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[Assistant] Of what setting it has to be in for members only for overtime. So yesterday's overtime, we talked about our favorite movies. It's a private video. No one ever saw it.


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[Assistant] Uh, the Cavs let Ricky Rucco walk away and now he's back playing for a different team.


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