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[Assistant] The caller can get by with a lot more movement, noise and other stuff. Once that shooter is set up, you kind of want that person.


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[Assistant] Sitting still, not moving, not making any noise because that elk is, since they're closer, that elk, you know, detect them.


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[Assistant] I think a lot of people think once you craft your plan...


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[Assistant] I'm the caller, I'm here, you're the shooter, you're there and everyone just stays put. And the bull read the plan and he's the plan and he's supposed to walk by. Doesn't necessarily.


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[Assistant] Probably the one thing I notice, and I watch this in other hunters, and this gets to my waterfowling days, is shade. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] I've seen people try to set up out in the wide, wide open of the sun. There's a tree there.


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[Assistant] Or there's a brush there and they are in full lit area.


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[Assistant] And maybe sometimes that's, there's nothing you can do about that. It's just how the setup works and who's coming from where. But, it just seems that...


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[Assistant] The shade can help your camouflage work even more effectively when you set up.


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[Assistant] Uhm, any different setup when you have satellites versus a different setup when you have a solo bowl versus when it's like the big dude, man, this is the one I've been waiting for.


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[Assistant] Big differences in how you do your setups for any of those scenarios?


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[Assistant] So, uh, have you found that in pre-rut, like September 1st, your setups are different because of how the elk are just behaviorally slightly different than September 20th when it's a peak rut? Or do you just say, you know what, elk are elk all the time and I just


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[Assistant] Take into account the landscape and the wind and let it go.


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[Assistant] Understand that folks, get as close to the elk as you can before you do your setup.


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[Assistant] Should I be call calling or should I be bugling when we're in this setup? So can you talk about calling now?


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[Assistant] Take your general rules that you just kind of described there, knowing there's an exception to all the general rules, totally. That if people sent the emails,


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[Assistant] With the detail. And we'll grab them and try to get through.


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[Assistant] So, we're gonna go into calling, and uh, before we turned on the mic, we were talking about the opinions of so, I mean, everybody who's


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[Assistant] Considered an elk hunting, uh, expert. They all have their own opinions about calling.


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[Assistant] Really, I was distracted by this ad over here. It says official elk call, Rocky Mountain hunting calls, official elk call of RMEF.


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[Assistant] Anyhow, Chuck Adams, who's more than his share of elk, he gave his opinion. Yea, big elk. He gave his opinion about it, and I'm gonna read it. And this is, Chuck's a great hunter and he's accomplished a lot of things, but I'm doing this for the sake of people to understand that.


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[Assistant] If you ask 50 hunters their opinion about calling, you're going to get 150 variations.


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[Assistant] So, here's what Chuck says, and I'm part way through the article here. It says, Think before you call. As I've discussed before in this call, many elk archers call too much with unrealistic expectations. The super success enjoyed on promotional videos and TV shows by bowhunters, hawking diaphragms, grunt tubes and calls might seem astonishing.


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[Assistant] But, you should know that much of the success is filmed on game farms or in lightly hunted private ground. If you try the same raucous calling on public land, the only thing that you're likely to encounter is a deafening silence or other hunters.


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[Assistant] Modern alt can recognize fake calls from hundreds of yards away. Sure, a younger rut craze bull might even run into your call, but not very often. Even if your well-practiced calls sound great, it is painfully easy to call too much and call too close to a bull.


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[Assistant] Real herd bulls usually space their bugles or grunts at least five to 10 minutes apart, often even less frequently. And when pressed at less than a hundred yards, these hunter shy creatures usually drift away.


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[Assistant] Most really successful bow hunters I know, bugle from a distance to locate bulls, then shut up and rely on limb ranking cow calls and widely spaced bugles or grunt only as a last resort if they cannot silently sneak in on the elk.


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[Assistant] In my experience, you will get more and better shots at elk if the animals never know you are in the neighborhood.


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[Assistant] Bring them to a different conclusion about calling.


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[Assistant] Uhm, calling is something you excel at.


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[Assistant] I don't know if I excel at it, I absolutely love it. We'll go with that for now. However we want to say that. And so, I didn't bring that up to say Chuck's wrong, or Chuck's right, or whatever. It's just, he said, in my experience. That's what he said.


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[Assistant] And that part of the exercise was to let people know that if you're listening to this and you've got your opinions on calling, they're not wrong. Exactly. Your hunting experiences have brought you to these opinions and these perspectives.


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[Assistant] That's a big disclaimer, but that's alright. Uhm, the...


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[Assistant] And I'm gonna just pick some of the points Chuck brought up about how often I heard bull calls every five to ten minutes.


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[Assistant] We've been into groups where, here's the guy who owns the cows.


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[Assistant] He's calling every 45 seconds. If you get him wound up, you and him are having a heck of a conversation.


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[Assistant] You're a very aggressive caller. I've hunted with a lot of people. You're definitely on the spectrum of passive to aggressive. You're red-lined over here on aggressive.


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[Assistant] And you're proud of that, and you should be, uh, and it's a ton of fun. It is. It is, uh, it's just a lot of fun.


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[Assistant] Right, so, which gets me to where I'm going with that is, you don't just walk through the woods and wait until you hear an elk and say, oh, there's one. You're trying to coax these bulls into saying, hey, I'm over here. Wanna play?


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[Assistant] So, we would leave camp way before daylight and in the dark you're calling.


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[Assistant] I think you take for granted how much information you are filtering the first couple of times you communicate with this bowl.


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[Assistant] And I'll be like, Cory, what'd you just say? I don't know. I think you know what you, you're at least making some assumptions in your head of what's going on here. He's aggressive, or he's defending his cows, or he's in his bed, or he's whatever.


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[Assistant] I mean, is that something that just came from experience? Is it, are there certain things that this bull behaved a certain way where this is, I know that's what he's doing.


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[Assistant] We ran into some of those, and then you grabbed another gear, and you were going even


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[Assistant] You were getting within 200 yards with a lot of time not even calling it.


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[Assistant] You, I don't know how you were assessing it, but you'd go long distances without calling and you'd just be listening and off we'd go. You'd listen off we'd go.


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[Assistant] So, you realize how many things you just rambled off. I know, and there could be a podcast on each one of them. Yea, you're trying to, you said I'm trying to filter all this. Yea. The listener, me, and the listeners are like, well that's great Cory, but let's, tell me about all those things. I know, yea.


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[Assistant] I hope the listeners will email us and say, alright, smart Alex, you rambled off all these things. I'm here to learn.


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[Assistant] So the way we got into this is you did not finish this in the last podcast about, and that podcast was about mistakes. So we're on the topic of calling.


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[Assistant] I'm sure in the next podcast of however many we're going to cover more of this stuff, calling mistakes.


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[Assistant] I'm like, oh, there's something over there. Well, there's a pretty big guy got those ones. I don't care. Yep. Walk in there, get a few teeth shook loose. Oh, that wasn't a good idea.


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[Assistant] I wasn't really good at getting the girls to come to me, but I was really good at getting the guy mad enough to come and fight me.


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[Assistant] But I still, I do an inventory, I still have all my teeth, so perfect, that works. But anyhow, to these mistakes, it's that, uh, you know,


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[Assistant] For me, what happens is, I don't know enough about what I'm saying.


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[Assistant] And so I easily get flustered. I easily lose my confidence of what I've done and you kind of throw your hands up in the air.


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[Assistant] Just because of lack of knowledge and understanding of, alright, back to your point or your, your dad's point of what am I doing to get that out to come in? You know, just trying to sound like him isn't


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[Assistant] I'm gonna necessarily get him to come in. Trying to sound like the classic


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[Assistant] Drawn out bugle isn't necessarily going to get him to come in. There's got to be a purpose with what I'm doing.


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[Assistant] Every time I make these incremental little steps in my knowledge, it's because I've stopped and thought about, why am I doing this? I'm not going to impress anybody, so.


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[Assistant] Uh, maybe I'm hearing a really loud beagle here, but I'm also hearing a bunch of cowcalling. There's so many things that are going on out there that you really gotta be paying attention to, or you're missing some of the pieces. Totally.


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[Assistant] Yeah, when you were talking about confidence, knowledge in that equation, for me, and it goes back to the comment you made earlier about how you're, you're, you feel way more confident you're going to hang your tag on an animal in archery season. Yeah.


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[Assistant] My knowledge base there, not that it's huge, but if you looked at my pie of knowledge base, it's heavily weighted towards those periods. So I will continue to do some things that even though they're maybe not showing the results,


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[Assistant] My knowledge gives me enough confidence to keep doing it or doing this or adapting slightly and I end up being successful. And it goes back to what you said. My knowledge about what I'll do at that time of year is my greatest strength.


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[Assistant] In just about every one of these podcasts, you're going to hear me talk about the tendency I had to not invest in my knowledge.


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[Assistant] I have to invest in myself. I have to invest in my knowledge, my understanding of what is that elk trying to do. He's trying to stay alive today.


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[Assistant] And he's going to go to bed tonight and he's going to wake up tomorrow and he's going to try to stay alive tomorrow in his most basic fundamental formula.


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[Assistant] It required me to understand and learn more about, okay, how, what does he do each day to stay alive?


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[Assistant] Yeah, they're probably right now on their phone saying, Corey.


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[Assistant] We gotta just kinda stay down this path so that they understand what worked or what didn't work. Because you've never called or never heard an elk bugle that you didn't kill, right?


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[Assistant] Goes to these kind of projects, but this one, if you haunt the San Luis Valley in


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[Assistant] What kind of deal? That, that would be like classic. So it's called Middle Creek and what it is is there was this BLM road that went up this drainage and then it crossed private and


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[Assistant] No. So, uh, this Middle Creek project, the Oak Foundation bought 24 acres.


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[Assistant] When we do these podcasts, I want to make sure people understand this, these are just, by the time we're done doing podcasts and they send us off to the pasture.


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[Assistant] People are going to hear about so many amazing out projects in, in some of them are in their backyards. And hopefully they understand that because of donors, sponsors, volunteers, great staff that The Oak Foundation has, that becomes very, very possible.


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[Assistant] I, I get this question all the time. I've got it a couple times in the last week is...


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[Assistant] Do you prefer a diaphragm call or an open read call or a bugle with the built-in read?


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[Assistant] Well, that's the sicker question of the week. Thanks for answering it. I wish we would have had the camera rolling when I walked up to Corey very sheepishly. I knew the mistake is like, oh, I can't believe I didn't have my diaphragm in my mouth. And I walk up to Corey and he's like, why didn't he shoot? I'm like, you couldn't get him stopped.


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[Assistant] I didn't hear you call. I was trying to think of some good excuse because I know what an amateur rookie mistake that was. So I just kind of looked down, kicked the dirt and said,


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[Assistant] Oh, that's good. We need some of that. So, uh, folks, as you're listening to this podcast, we're trying to be what I will call the seasonally appropriate in the content. Like right now, everyone's thinking about


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[Assistant] I think we got a wrap here. Yep. Thanks for listening folks. Appreciate it. Till the next time. Go and have a lot of fun. Go shoot your bowl. Yeah. And practice your diaphragm milk calls.


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[Assistant] Okay, so we're actually just pulling out of the parking lot where, uh, Hippie sing the knee, uhm.


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[Assistant] Has his new gym, uh, he just moved, just, I don't know. 300...


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[Assistant] From his other gym, uhm, in Bangkok. And we were filming for the Muay Thai library.


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[Assistant] Uh, it was a pretty incredible session. We're not gonna go way into it.


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[Assistant] Uh, you're also going to hear interruptions from our Google map lady.


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[Assistant] There were no better fighters than these two fighters at their weights. Like, Hippie might have been the best small fighter in the history of Thailand.


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[Assistant] He has an argument for being the best fighter ever at his weight. He has a monster.


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[Assistant] It's pretty crazy. We're gonna get to the podcast and the, uh, comics that we, we tend to, we like to like dive into a deep.


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[Assistant] How was that for you? I know Wang Chun-Hui is somebody that's been asked, people have been asking for him in the library forever, and he's kind of a like, aura hero for you.


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[Assistant] Like he made legends look afraid and uneasy.


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[Assistant] And Nomkaboon was a, Nomkaboon himself, uh, was as good a fighter of the golden age that ever was, so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the things you're attracted to are parts that speak to you.


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[Assistant] Right. So that was very cool. And then, oh, and then you just throw in.


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[Assistant] But part of what's cool is we try to capture the actual energy of the fighter.


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[Assistant] I like being in the cage. Is this a full right? Yea. Uhm, but in the Muay Thai library, you can see it.


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[Assistant] And it's very, it's a very important component of their style and their technique.


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[Assistant] If then some, and then, and then if you tried to explain to someone Mink Wang Chonoy's techniques,


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[Assistant] Okay, so that's what we're coming off of.


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[Assistant] For those that love Muay Thai Bones podcasts, we're sorry that we haven't been podcasting.


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[Assistant] Uh, our lives have kind of gone, uh, topsy-turvy. The podcast, the Muay Thai Bones podcast was designed to really come out of our lifestyle, which was, Sylvie driving all over the country.


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[Assistant] We would drive, you know, 10 hours at a time.


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[Assistant] And we'd be like, we're locked in the car and we have these great conversations about like the philosophy of Muay Thai really. And we're like, we should just share these with people. And so that's what the nature of the podcast is. And one, there's no fights right now for you. You don't want to fight on the entertainment Muay Thai shows. Uhm, so we're kind of waiting for fight opportunities to pick up because of COVID. And so for that reason, the whole Muay Thai bones


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[Assistant] The structure fell out. We did a few from the house and the apartment. We'll probably do more of that. But.


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[Assistant] Also, you left Petron Rung Gym. That is something we'll talk about in a future podcast, but it was a real like destabilizing effect on your daily life and all of it hasn't settled down.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so that's to explain why there's not been a lot of Muay Thai bones. Uhm, but here we have a nice two and a half hour drive. Do I go right, right? Right, right. Uhm, from Bangkok to Patia. And, uh, we hope to like return to talking about deep issues about Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] First topic, I actually wrote the topic down. Like, I write these down as they come to us throughout our lives. I just jump on a spreadsheet.


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[Assistant] The first one I wrote down maybe two months ago? Maybe a month and a half ago?


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[Assistant] When COVID hit, we don't want to make this too much about COVID, but when COVID hit, uhm, Thailand,


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[Assistant] One of the things that Thailand did, the sport authority, initially when they reopened fights, they had very strong restrictions about who could attend and how many.


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[Assistant] Well yea, but also there's a reason why they were very strict, which was there was a Muay Thai Stadium outbreak.


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[Assistant] Yeah, one of the, one of, maybe the only big cluster that hit the news was around a Lumpini event and a Raja event actually, wasn't it?


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[Assistant] Yeah, but that person had gone to both stadiums.


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[Assistant] About what was happening and one of the bizarro things they did was they eliminated clinch. So you could, it was basically turning Muay Thai into kickboxing with elbows and it was a really stark weird thing to be watching stadium Muay Thai and no clinch.


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[Assistant] Well, we don't have to debate about the technicalities. The reality was when you watched Muay Thai, there was no clinch.


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[Assistant] It was very hard to watch, but this is what was interesting to me, was this is one of my great fears about Thailand's Muay Thai, that it's gonna eventually be swallowed up by these kickboxing, kind of agro-westernized style of fighting, which is really not Thailand's Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] And all of, all of these entertainment shows, uh,


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[Assistant] Max, super champ, won championship.


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[Assistant] Hardcore. They remove clenching. And honestly,


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[Assistant] More talking about clenching though, right?


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[Assistant] It was horrifying because you were, you were, your feeling was, okay, so you guys know entertainment muay thai technically, legally is not muay thai.


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[Assistant] It's not governed by the same, as far as I understand it, it's not governed by the sport authority of Thailand. It's...


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[Assistant] Classified as an entertainment form instead of a sport form?


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[Assistant] So, so they have different rules. They favor aggression and chon clashing.


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[Assistant] Uh, if you fight backwards, you'll kind of lose very often. Uhm, and so, it, it's a, it's a, I don't know, a bastardized version of Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] But it's on the side. It's, it's meant to be a televised show that appeals to people that really even don't even know Muay Thai. Uh, younger crowds.


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[Assistant] Well, they actually know what they're talking about because it's actually very popular. And there are some people who argue


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[Assistant] One second, I'm looking at the map. Where's the U-turn, maybe I don't see it.


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[Assistant] The arguments, we've talked about the entertainment muay thai trend in the past and how


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[Assistant] The growth of entertainment Muay Thai will often say Muay Thai needs to find new audience, a younger audience, a more casual audience. And there are arguments that, uh, these shows kind of grow Muay Thai by appealing to people who are not the hardcore Muay Thai fan.


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[Assistant] And it's less skilled, less technical, uhm.


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[Assistant] Or sometimes they get older, big names on the, almost retired, but big names, skilled people, but it's like, uhm, uhm.


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[Assistant] It's a changing of the sport. So I guess what we're talking about though here is, for me, and it sounds like you too, baby, uh, it was horrifying.


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[Assistant] One was thinking, oh, these entertainment shows, they'll never really impact stadium Muay Thai, which has a deep tradition, is governed by the score authority.


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[Assistant] Like, if you take Clinch out of these shows, Real Muay Thai will still continue. And then suddenly, we saw... What am I doing?


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[Assistant] Suddenly, Real Muay Thai, the sport authority, actually removed clinch for reasons of COVID.


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[Assistant] And the thing that we're like, oh, well this will never happen, suddenly happened.


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[Assistant] So now suddenly, not only were entertainment shows had taken out clinch already, but stadium Muay Thai had taken out clinch. And so suddenly there was no Muay Thai, like actual Muay Thai, going on in Thailand, anywhere. Now,


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[Assistant] The feeling was, oh, this is just COVID, it'll last, uhm, a couple of weeks or a couple of months.


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[Assistant] Right. But what was alarming to me?


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[Assistant] Is at the time you were still filming for the Muay Thai library. So we were going to film with in gyms of Bangkok and people were already training you for the clinch-less Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] Like even Arjan Sarat, who's an old, old school... Arjan.


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[Assistant] And teaches Moikau basically a very aggressive, like, clinch.


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[Assistant] Friendly Muay Thai. He was like, no more, new normal, new normal. He was trying to get you to push off in the clinch. I was shocked how quickly, and then Yo Kumpan was like, new normal, no more clinching.


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[Assistant] And it's like, you're not training for a fight. They literally were changing the Muay Thai that their gym was.


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[Assistant] This was, so for me, the topic here is, we take the transmission of knowledge and of skills for granted. We're like, this is embedded in the culture. The Muay Thai of.


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[Assistant] The golden age, even though it no longer really taught, it's present in a new form. But it made us aware


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[Assistant] That things could change really fast. Like, if COVID swept over Thailand and Thailand actually has had a really good, uhm...


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[Assistant] More than lucky. I mean, they were lucky to a degree, but they also took very strong action. If they had swept over Thailand and it was, let's say, more viriliant than it is, you could completely imagine to have clinch removed from Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] If you no longer can clinch, and your gym stops training clinch, then clinch itself becomes- It degrades. It degrades.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I think that's a, that's a through lane. I think that guy's doing something illegal.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but not just using female examples. I think that it degrades male fighters. Like, all- I think clinch, secretly, is-


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[Assistant] A skill, it doesn't degrade completely, like you still have balance and such, but you lose feeling for it, and the higher, the higher order of the skill set erodes.


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[Assistant] All of this is a big Securitas thing for me, which is, I was like, holy fuck, Clinch Moe Cow fighting? Might actually...


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[Assistant] Disappear from Thailand. Like, it's con- before it was inconceivable that it would disappear because Stadium Muay Thai would always anchor it, at least for the next five, ten years. And I'm like, holy fuck, he can just totally


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[Assistant] And it's a very big rea- there's a good reason for it. I mean, it's, uhm, a pandemic. Although,


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[Assistant] Not clenching actually didn't make that much sense. It was more of a face-saving symbolic gesture that they made. And now that we're talking right now, clinch has returned fully to stadium one time.


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[Assistant] Okay, but if there's a second wave of COVID-


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[Assistant] Tourism, and you let the westerners in, uhm, or.


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[Assistant] Anyone in, uh, is probably gonna have a second wave. If there is a huge second wave and there are Muay Thai, uhm...


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[Assistant] Clusters, you can imagine clinch being removed again, maybe for six months. But okay, this is, I'm still trying to get to my point, which was when I saw that clinch could actually be removed from Thailand and maybe removed for a year or two.


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[Assistant] And suffer irreparable kind of change. I'm like, holy fuck, the Muay Thai library?


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[Assistant] Maybe all that's left of Moikawa technique.


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[Assistant] Like an endangered species, like it's in the vault. Yeah, you can see Moikau technique in, uh, actual fights on YouTube for Moikau fighters of the Golden Age. Yes. But that's not very revelatory.


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[Assistant] You can see how they fought, but actually the components of the technical aspects of Moi, of Moi Kal fighting, which are, it's pretty sophisticated. Matter of fact,


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[Assistant] What did Wong Chun-Oi say today? He said Muay Kow fighters, or Dern fighters are actually very...


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[Assistant] Well you provoke the counters, I mean the attacks and then your second, in your second attacking, you're basically a kind of counter fighting.


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[Assistant] Even though you're advancing. But, I'm like...


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[Assistant] All that we've got over a hundred hours archived.


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[Assistant] And it's like, oh my god, thank god.


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[Assistant] When you're driving in Bangkok, just so you guys know, because not a lot of people have had experience in it.


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[Assistant] And Google Maps is a godsend. We couldn't have done the Mojita library without Google Maps. Cause you basically...


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[Assistant] Get really detailed directions pretty much anywhere in Thailand, but for some reason in Bangkok


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[Assistant] Consistent, it's kinda weird. If you just make, miss one ramp.


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[Assistant] We've talked about it in the past. We're not going to get into it too heavily here, but like for instance, certain trips became legal. That used to be illegal.


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[Assistant] In how you need, which meant more locking from clinch fighters.


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[Assistant] And when we brought Golden Age Legends into Petrum Rung Gym, uh, there was...


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[Assistant] Everybody was very happy to have it and many of the techniques were


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[Assistant] It was a little bit of a nasty comment, but still an interesting...


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[Assistant] An intelligent comment made on Samart's page or somewhere? And basically this is when Samart was really complaining, uh, that


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[Assistant] Golden age, no, well yeaah, but golden age techniques are no longer rewarded.


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[Assistant] Changed Muay Thai, blah, blah, blah. And someone was like, you run a gym, you better start teaching your fighters to fight for what scores.


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[Assistant] You're, if, if golden age techniques don't score anymore, you have a responsibility in training ties. Speaking of, we're not gonna go straight.


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[Assistant] You have a responsibility to change what techniques you're teaching.


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[Assistant] It's very dangerous, honestly. Like, it's dangerous to the...


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[Assistant] Long-term value and worth of Muay Thai. I understand why these shows are doing it. To inject an imagined excitement.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's not like you suddenly have like, uhm...


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[Assistant] Well, to go into it for a second, I remember there was a very good interview or article that was based on an interview with the promoter who created Max. And it literally was created to let questioners win.


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[Assistant] Okay, but at the time it was the dominant television sport. Like, it wasn't actually real competitive Muay Thai. They would bring in Westerners to be kind of humiliated by some of the best Thai fighters who were then on the retirement circuit. Like, San Chai's still doing it. And yea, Thai Fight is still doing it. But at the time that Max came, Thai Fight was the gold standard.


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[Assistant] Was designed as the anti-tie fight.


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[Assistant] Whereas TIE Fight was like, let's beat up some westerners.


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[Assistant] The other one was, let's let westerners beat up ties. And it's evolved over time, but it was originally designed, and in those early...


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[Assistant] Pata- Patio Stadium shows. Ty- Westerners would have huge weight advantages. They would-


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[Assistant] The taking out of clinch was part of that. It wasn't just to make it more exciting, it was also to make it to limit the skill levels so that westerners could compete more easily because westerners generally are not, uh,


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[Assistant] A little whippersnapper fighter ten years ago.


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[Assistant] And we were, we lived like in the mountains, in the countryside.


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[Assistant] Uhm, keep an eye on the battery there, cause the battery wasn't 100%.


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[Assistant] We finally got to Master K was teaching authentic Muay Thai technique, but older, like he was a fighter from the sixties and seventies.


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[Assistant] Like, I remember we were modeling your round kick after a boss rootin' video.


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[Assistant] Well, a good kickboxer, but it's not Thai technique.


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[Assistant] Like, there was almost nothing at the time. There was a Malapet video out a little bit.


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[Assistant] There was a Thai- There was a Muay Thai clinch video done by Greg Nelson who's not Thai.


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[Assistant] The inside outs of a Thai technique. It didn't even exist on the internet. And so.


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[Assistant] Now that the Muay Thai library has like, over a hundred hours? Documented! Like, this is the fucking library of Alexander.


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[Assistant] And then to have clinch and moi khao techniques suddenly be threatened as could go extinct.


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[Assistant] And already, they were already eroding, they've eroded over time because the rule changes and changes in the sport. I'm like, thank god we have four videos of diesel noise.


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[Assistant] Thank god we have how long someone knees the fuck out of a bag.


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[Assistant] I dunno, you seem much less moved by this. I'm shocked, actually, that you're like, yeah, we know that stuff's there.


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[Assistant] But baby, it's more cow, like, it's not just, oh, save a bunch of techniques. It's like there's a whole, it's like a, um, evolutionary branch suddenly almost got sawed off. And baby, I mean, I don't want to say Sylvie saved jazz, but, but,


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[Assistant] When we first started talking about Moikau, we had discovered that there is such a thing as Moikau. Like, it's a complete fighting style, and it's... it's...


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[Assistant] I don't- Okay, people are gonna raise their hands. I always knew about Moikau 25 years ago. I got it. There are people who knew. They entered in- Internet had never heard of Moikau.


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[Assistant] It's like what we've documented, what started with what you were doing in your, in your documentation, is you've informed the entire framework on which people think about what is Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] Now people are like, moe tot, moe femur, moe cow, this is...


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[Assistant] Obviously, this is the, the dividing line of techniques. It, that conception never, didn't exist 10, 15 years ago in Western minds. And right when we discover Moykow, it almost got lost.


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[Assistant] Like if, if five years from now you couldn't even see a Moe Cal fighter anywhere in the world?


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[Assistant] Because everything was fucking kickboxing and mashing. That would be very sad. It would be like, there once was more cow.


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[Assistant] There's no clinch in K-1 fighting, I mean, even though technically two knees or whatever, but


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[Assistant] The sophistication of what clinch is is varying.


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[Assistant] Feels that way. Feels that way. And so, if you're listening to this, feed on the Muay Thai library, the Muay Khao sessions, they are like,


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[Assistant] Even now, you yourself should be digesting these techniques, because they're still threatened.


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[Assistant] They are not threatened to be completely outlawed. But they could be. And I'm like...


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[Assistant] You want to educate yourself about the history of this beautiful technique, this branch of Muay Thai that is full of IQ, strategy, tactics.


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[Assistant] Uh, it rains a lot in Bangkok. It's almost a joke. We're like, uh,


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[Assistant] We're like, it's so crazy as Sunny and Patia and we're just like, drive through a rain.


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[Assistant] The little story about how you found Muay Thai and it ended up consuming your life and da da da da da. It was, like if you had met Sylvie.


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[Assistant] When she first started training Muay Thai at that little strip mall, the gym, the, what was it called? The edge? Yeah. There is no.


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[Assistant] You would have been a very creative fiction writer to dream up that you are going to become like the historical Muay Thai journalist and


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[Assistant] The person that smashed all the fights.


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[Assistant] of when you followed a passion this intensely and it's, and all the actions you've taken, you've become this kind of like incredible


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[Assistant] A historic level fighter, and it's like, when you're at that little strip mall,


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[Assistant] Well okay, so let's slow this down and not like, summarize the whole topic in two minutes.


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[Assistant] We, when we were talking about this the other day, we actually were asking...


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[Assistant] Would have seen this coming or it's not surprising because this is really interesting because it's like, what is the real you?


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[Assistant] Like is this the real you? Or if you had...


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[Assistant] Gone to become like a vegan activist. Was that the real you?


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[Assistant] You got very, like, a weird look on your face. For those that are on the podcast.


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[Assistant] That she was able to see this in you, this continuity between the girl you were, who was shy, right?


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[Assistant] Considering becoming a fighter or considering training in Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] And maybe many people around them are like, that's not you.


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[Assistant] So well, so let me ask you, like, so you yourself identify a threat of continuity, right? You're like, I can see the little fighter.


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[Assistant] Of Sylvie when I was 5, when I was 8, when I was 12, even though other people, I hid it from other people maybe. I mean, would that be fair to say?


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[Assistant] To aspects of yourself and out of other aspects of yourself, maybe.


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[Assistant] So in terms of continuity, do you feel in some way, instead of just being neutral,


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[Assistant] Like, well, some things strengthen and some things weaken. Do you think there's anything to the idea that there was, this has been a journey so far of liberation? Like, it's not just like, colors changed, but rather, do you think there was some kind of, like, if, if you're a mousy person and you privately hold, uh, grudges,


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[Assistant] That's different than being able to express yourself and physically exert control over space. It's a different experience as a human being.


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[Assistant] Like, one is moving from a passive to a more active state.


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[Assistant] We've, this is very interesting because, okay, we discovered...


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[Assistant] First of all, it was to broadly brush the painting. Everybody wanted you to be a quick little bounce around fighter because you're small and you're kind of fast, fast twitchy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and they're like, you gotta bounce around and do this, and you're like, I do not feel comfortable. Like, you're like, being on stage, in space, where I can be humiliated.


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[Assistant] And then so we discovered Moe Cow and you're like, ooh, this is really a different way of fighting.


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[Assistant] This feels comfortable to me, I gravitate to this anyways, and like how you're describing this beautiful description of-


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[Assistant] The private intimate space between two fighters at close range.


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[Assistant] But some of the fighters that you just fucking, uhm, adore...


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[Assistant] Are femur fighters and are very kind of like theatrical and uhm.


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[Assistant] Karaha, the main one, but yeaah. And I'm like, you recently have kind of realized that there are parts of Femur- Do I go up that thing? Or no?


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[Assistant] There are parts of femur that you are drawn to.


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[Assistant] Not like, oh that would be cool, but you're actually drawn.


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[Assistant] And so maybe as a fighter, because you're getting more and more comfortable by growing eyes, more and more experience in the ring, more sparring now, you're feeling, hey, I can kind of let my hair down a little bit.


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[Assistant] Or strut after I fall, I throw you into the ground a little bit, like these little things that also are you, like it's layers, layers.


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[Assistant] He has a very kind of like sad, uh, suffering kind of dimension to him too.


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[Assistant] What's the inkins? I don't understand the inkins. Are you just making that up?


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[Assistant] Right? Am I unfair in that? I feel like she really can't under- really understand.


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[Assistant] From my perspective, I feel there's a road of liberation that is being, uh,


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[Assistant] It's not simply that somebody turned the dials and this is just a different version and there's, uh,


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[Assistant] A parallel universe, there's parallel universes with


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[Assistant] A thousand different Sylvie's, where the dials got turned differently. I feel like, you, what my own feeling is, in choosing fighting,


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[Assistant] You chose an art form, a sport, but more an art form because you're drawn to the art of it that embodies


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[Assistant] From the person you were, the Sylvie Mouse, who had sharp-tongued, bitter, um, uh, compression.


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[Assistant] And shy to expressing yourself, controlling the space physically when you like don't want to say anything, controlling the space physically and eventually becoming more of a performer, like becoming comfortable. I feel like there's an arc of liberation that's going on and that's why your progress is so difficult.


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[Assistant] I pushed you to follow the stated desires that you had.


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[Assistant] No, no, it never happened like that. It happened because you wanted to learn Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] We went to a strip mall, which called it Muay Thai, but it wasn't Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] We went to Master K and it was Muay Thai, but you were like,


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[Assistant] I don't- I wanna know, Muay Thai. If I don't fight, then I'm just not- don't know it. And that path is the exact path that you're still on.


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[Assistant] Like after 264 fights? Is you're still trying to no moi tai? So fluently?


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[Assistant] That you can fucking relax and just be, I'm gonna say it, yourself.


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[Assistant] That, that is a story of liberation.


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[Assistant] Are spontaneously attracted to something you're seeing. Which to me means there's something about that that is speaking to you.


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[Assistant] Like, other people will look at it and be like, uh, but you're like, no, that. To me, Karl Hatt's fighting is kinda like that.


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[Assistant] And then you're like, I want my body to do that, but my mind won't let me.


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[Assistant] And you have been able, you have progressed immensely, but still.


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[Assistant] There is a struggle between how you want your body to go and what your mind will let you do.


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[Assistant] And you still wrestle with that. That's why it's a story of liberation. Because your mind is holding you back from what you want your body to do.


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[Assistant] And even to this day where you're actually growing a lot and you're sparring so much and we film you're sparring and you have...


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[Assistant] During sparring, you have very powerful feelings of...


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[Assistant] Oh my god, that was so awful, because my body wasn't doing anything I wanted it to do, and then we'll watch the video, because we recorded, and you're like,


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[Assistant] It's looking closer to what I'd hope it would look like.


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[Assistant] So your body is actually racing a little bit ahead of your mind.


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[Assistant] Your mind still is stuck on the, my body won't do what I want it to do.


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[Assistant] Let's take a moment and unpack this meme because we've seen a lot of pad men in Thailand and.


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[Assistant] There's something about the Padman of Deshrott, I've never seen that in any other gym. What is that thing? It's not mean, it's, aw man, it's like harsh, uh.


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[Assistant] When you're getting there, to that point, they will physically abuse you.


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[Assistant] Like, they will, like when yours ready to break,


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[Assistant] And you're going hard, you're giving your heart, it's not like you're weakening in your intensity of resolve, but he's like, when you're, when you're redlining, that's when they'll fucking like,


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[Assistant] There is something really unusual about their power. It's not just that they're mean or something like that. It's the kind of toughening that they are bringing out of you as a fighter. It is spiritual.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it would be like Pinu would do that to you and then he would fucking flip you on the ground and he'd be like, get up. Like, get up now.


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[Assistant] Like that's a thing in that gym, is that, if you've been broken,


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[Assistant] It wasn't a mistake, the next moment is the one that matters, that you get up.


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[Assistant] And it produces this, uh, metronome of intensity.


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[Assistant] It's weird, as a fighter you think, oh if I land the strike, I did it right.


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[Assistant] And, oh, if somebody lands on me, I did it wrong. And the, at Deshaun, it's a different thing. It's like.


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[Assistant] I high-fived her. Or I'm like D- or I'm like DD.


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[Assistant] The look on her face. Like, what this topic is about is that place that she went to.


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[Assistant] Sorry, I had to get away from the truck. Like, she performed so beautifully on the paths.


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[Assistant] Ever. No female fighter ever could stand in front of that. And maybe not male fighters. Like it was unbelievable. But what we're talking about is how that affected her.


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[Assistant] When she came out of the ring, and you know this better than me, so talk about this, what we saw when she got out of that ring.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it was horrific in a way, and that image talked about


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[Assistant] But she has lived there, like, that's her home, really, in a certain regard. Like, she's been trained there since she was young. She knows what Arjan Surat is about.


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[Assistant] And she just fucking went for it, but what was so amazing was when she, when she came out of the ring, it was almost like the werewolf turns back into a person, and it's almost shameful.


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[Assistant] So uhm, so I wanna ask you, you know exactly what she felt. Like, because you yourself have felt it.


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[Assistant] What role does that play in becoming the fighter you want to be? Like, do you actually just have to get comfortable being that uncomfortable?


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[Assistant] When we were, when I was watching Wong Chinoy on the back, he was teaching you how to work the bag in a way that's very different than how you learn to work the bag.


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[Assistant] He's like, supply, supply, defense, and then when he's like, and then you go kill somebody. And when he went on the back, like when he went to go do his three strikes, his face changed.


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[Assistant] I can barely- He's like, no, then you go become a monster for three strikes. And then you're like, no.


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[Assistant] So bye, so bye, so bye. And now I'm a monster. I'm saying, for some fighters not every style is like this. I think you have to make peace with that. You can't, he turns it on like this and then it's off. He's not ashamed of it afterwards.


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[Assistant] He's like, no, that's what it is. And even hippie is when he came to your gym and we filmed that. And he's like, Sylvie, where's the violence? Where's the-


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[Assistant] Where's the kill shot? Where's the like, boom. He means reaching that place. You seem a little bit horrified by this.


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[Assistant] But you sound like no, you don't, that's not what you should do.


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[Assistant] Like ideally, Banner could just become the Hulk.


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[Assistant] That's the really interesting part. Cause if you just release yourself to it and lose control, then you're really losing what Muay Thai is about. Cause it's not about beast mode.


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[Assistant] For three seconds, and then look like a prince. For fifteen seconds.


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[Assistant] It's what the art form is really about. It's honestly what the art form is really about. You've found another way of dealing with this, in where you're like, you've discovered that in sparring and in fights, if you're slightly angry, you fight much better.


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[Assistant] Like, that's your version of touching the thing. You're like, I'm just gonna touch shit five percent.


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[Assistant] There, nobody could stand in front of her. Like, it was one of the most...


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[Assistant] Unbelievable. The surreal things to have.


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[Assistant] She has trained it, but she doesn't train it by context.


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[Assistant] We're actually saying it's almost impossible to do so. Somehow these Golden Age fighters did do that. Like people think of the Golden Age as this like,


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[Assistant] Uh, many people think of it as very violent because of the elbow war fight and da-da-da. It wasn't like that, but the high notes that he hit, that were hit in the golden age were beast was this tiger energy.


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[Assistant] So let me ask you, because this is also something that has to do with yourself, is like, you know the feeling of shame and when I'm like,


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[Assistant] Uh, you gotta be able to go there for three seconds and then three more seconds and then three more seconds. How can you ever as a normal mortal living in 2020 and not 1990, how can you train that more of it? Like 1% more like, and should one.


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[Assistant] Because it's a really, it's not the same thing as like being angry and trying to smash someone's face. You know what I mean? It's not what the West thinks about.


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[Assistant] It's very, why is that not it? It's a very different thing than that.


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[Assistant] I don't know, you got Saucion- Tiger Saucionce on your back. That's Tiger energy.


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[Assistant] Right? You've gone to, uhm, our John White Cruise ceremony and seen people, uhm,


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[Assistant] When people are possessed by their tiger energy, they're kind of like, out of control.


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[Assistant] Like, you're not really supposed to be possessed by it, because it's dangerous.


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[Assistant] Like I hope they have some idea of what we're like. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] But he is also very insistent that you do not stay in that state.


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[Assistant] You relax, you're fine, everything is fine, and then you like, show your fangs.


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[Assistant] And become this tiger thing.


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[Assistant] For three seconds, five seconds, seven seconds, and then you revert back.


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[Assistant] Well, not only can you not stay in it, he's like, you're not, you're not supposed to stay in it. It, it's...


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[Assistant] Uh, animalistic to stay in it. It's not beautiful. It's not artful. It's not Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] Like to just, he would many times talk about like, ba-ba-ba-ba, like this rhythmless attack, is not...


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[Assistant] And so you're talking about not a literal millimeter with a ruler, but rather almost an emotional millimeter.


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[Assistant] And it's not like I'm taking a giant step forward.


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[Assistant] Unfold that a little bit. So you're like saying, while you're sparring, in a pos- in a like, stance and


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[Assistant] The mix stance where you feel like you're constantly being kicked. If you just stand up, you end his ability to kick you.


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[Assistant] But you can, it's not so small that you cannot feel it.


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[Assistant] This is really the most important thing. It's one thing to know what you're supposed to do, but if you can't feel it and be able to self-correct it, you're not where you need to be.


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[Assistant] Like, just because you know your foot is supposed to go over there.


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[Assistant] If you can't feel the difference between doing it right and doing it wrong, you're not where you can actually train your own self.


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[Assistant] Okay, I'm a little bit... We took a long, wide loop on that.


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[Assistant] This isn't, this is not an introduction, we're right in the middle of the topic right now. I'm not being critical, I'm like, how do we bring this in? About this space, okay, how about this? You said then this feeling that you've had about this millimeter helped you correct a totally different technique. Totally. With Andre.


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[Assistant] Okay, so what is your advice about millimeters?


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[Assistant] How can the- But most people have no access to that.


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[Assistant] But you've done a, you've done a Muay Thai, uh, a technique vlog on Roop. And we've talked about Roop in the podcast before. This is connected to Roop.


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[Assistant] But also, it contains millimeters that will defend you.


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[Assistant] One, one thing is that your foot is not stepping at all. And you think it is. But what he's saying is, your chest comes.


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[Assistant] It's an emotion, it's a thing where your chest has to be coming. Yeaah, your foot has to come forward six inches, but the problem really isn't the foot.


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[Assistant] The problem is the chest and the head just having to come to want to travel through the space.


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[Assistant] That's the real difference that Wong Chun-Ling was talking about.


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[Assistant] How to fail a kick and we want to do a part two of that. But uhm, that's a really good thing to look at.


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[Assistant] In terms of what, if you guys are like, this sounds really interesting, but I'm not quite sure what you're talking about.


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[Assistant] That technique vlog, we'll link it in the description, uhm, is a really good starting point.


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[Assistant] Because a lot of this has to do with just starting to feel where the parts of your body are. Because so much time, so many times you're trying to like, be precise.


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[Assistant] And correct errors, and you don't even know where all the, where your hand is, where your foot is.


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[Assistant] Like what you're talking about, about this millimeter change is because you know where your posture is. So you can change it.


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[Assistant] Even if you're a dollar patron supporter, you can get the audio, uh,


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[Assistant] Versions, subscription versions of all the multi-moments podcasts. Uhm, and.


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[Assistant] We'll be up, we'll be up soon. Uhm, but at $5 and $10, at $10 it's insane.


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[Assistant] You got the whole library over a hundred hours. Plus all kinds of other stuff. Then you support them with Demons Podcast.


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[Assistant] And, uh, all the interviews we're doing and articles you've written. So, uh, consider becoming a patron. And if you're listening to this on audio, uh, as a patron, thank you.


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[Assistant] Everything is through the support of patrons and, uh, your official sponsors, but really the patrons. You're fighting your, uhm, journalism, like, all the documentary stuff, like, it's kind of, when it's all over, what you have done will be, like, legendary.


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[Assistant] But if you wanna deep dive and binge watch stuff, feel like you're in Thailand with legends, with fucking geniuses of Muay Thai, it's incredible. And then you can rewatch


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[Assistant] Thank you for supporting The More Typhoons and everything that Sylvie's doing. Uhm, what else? Signing off? I don't know, I hope we do more of these. I keep saying it, but it-


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[Assistant] Uhm, alright, so signing off, cue music.


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[Assistant] So really, Kevin is talking to the people who watch this on YouTube, which anyone can do. It's free. Uh, as a patron, you can download it.


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[Assistant] As a, as a patron you can subscribe however you listen to your podcasts. You can get the audio only so you can like take us in your ears and go the way that podcasts are usually consumed.


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[Assistant] We've, we've messed around with our setup over the time that we've done this and, and


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[Assistant] And the shirts that are not specifically Karahat or Yod Kampan, obviously that money goes directly to them. If it's something like this shirt, the Legends shirt, that goes into the Crew Fund.


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[Assistant] Which is the name that was given to me by a Thai, uh, Muay Thai press.


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[Assistant] Yeah, both the process of actually purchasing it, making sure that that works, but also like how does the shirt feel? Like is it?


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[Assistant] This actually reminds me, if you're new to our Muay Thai Bones podcast, we talk about all things Muay Thai. Like we just, this is how we talk in general all day with each other. And we decided that we would share this, uhm,


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[Assistant] With other people who are interested in hearing about Muay Thai and all its different facets, all the interesting ways that it connects to other things, we do talk


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[Assistant] Six days a week with Yokunpon for almost a year.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so I spar an hour every morning with Yodkunpon, who, uhm, is the elbow hunter of a hundred stitches. He's a golden age, uhm, possibly the best elbow knife.


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[Assistant] Definitely the best elbow fighter ever. Uhm, he held the Roger Domner and Lumpini titles simultaneously, which is crazy.


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[Assistant] He's also in the Muay Thai library so you can get a taste of what his technique is like, but also like what kind of person he is. He's unbelievably sweet and generous and very, uhm, he cares a great deal about


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[Assistant] You can go watch these videos on YouTube as well. But Master K would like, teach me something that I just would not get because he was teaching me like, PhD level Muay Thai when I like, couldn't even make an A.


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[Assistant] To the next day, like, how do I- what is Sylvie-


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[Assistant] The thing, the thing with sparring with someone like Yodkunpon, like, people have gym mates who they spar with, and Karahat has said to me that you need to have people who are better than you, not as good as you, bigger than you, smaller than you, like you need all kinds of partners in order to get this kind of like,


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[Assistant] Mosaic of experience, which 100% and there are a lot of people who are incredibly lucky who in their gyms do have


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[Assistant] Incredible fighter, uh, now in his early 50s. He brings a quality of real violence, even though he's not hurting me and he knows how to control himself. He brings a quality of real violence that I don't know that like gym partners can do that anymore.


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[Assistant] Or made eye contact with fucking Chmook, Pet, or Wang Chenoy and you're like...


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[Assistant] It's dominance rather than aggression, but it's also-


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[Assistant] It's, this is, I was actually talking to Kevin about this on the way back from, uh, the first session we had with Wong Shinoi when we, the first session we put in the Muay Thai library. I'm a huge fan of Wong Shinoi and I was very, very, very afraid of training with him for the Muay Thai library because I find him very scary.


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[Assistant] He's funny and friendly. He's not sweet, but he's very personable. He was not as intimidating and scary as I thought he was going to be.


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[Assistant] But, this quality that's in his fighting is in his person as well, which is basically the dude who like comes in with a gun, puts it on the table, and he's like, we're gonna have a conversation, but there's a gun on the table. Who knows what could happen?


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[Assistant] Now I'm just really nervous. That's what these guys have, is they just kinda like...


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[Assistant] Uses violence as like his medium of his art. It's like using oil paint or something. Like what he does uses violence. That's what his...


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[Assistant] It's his style and it's, uhm, it's not...


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[Assistant] Extractable. Like you cannot do Yodkunpon stuff without that vain of violence in it.


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[Assistant] In the same way that when Diesel Noi gets going, it's a thresher or nothing. Like there's no like, bow bow Diesel Noi, it's just he's...


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[Assistant] Super crazy. Uhm, and like with Karahat, it's just you've suddenly entered into some kind of like...


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[Assistant] Mercury. Like, sand situation. Uhm, so, so sparring with him,


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[Assistant] Is incredibly emotionally difficult.


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[Assistant] Like, it's physically difficult because I'm using power, or I'm getting hit, or like whatever the thing is. There's physical difficulties in sparring in general, but the emotional difficulty of sparring with someone like Yokunpon all the time and for an hour at a time is...


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[Assistant] So some of the adjustments that we've been making very recently


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[Assistant] These adjustments are taking into account this emotional and mental, uhm, tax or cost.


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[Assistant] I was just redlining every single morning, and I have my regular training on top of this. So there's like, this is not like the only thing I do in the day. Uhm, and it was taking a pretty huge...


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[Assistant] And so we're thinking like how do we continue doing this but like just change the recipe, change the balances so that it's like more


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[Assistant] Yeah, this is a really cool thing for me, is that like, when you kind of have spent a lot of time in the water, or you've been kind of like, uhm,


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[Assistant] Growing eyes, as Kevin and I call it, things just kinda start to slow down. Uhm, it's totally this like,


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[Assistant] People will contact me who are like, uhm,


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[Assistant] 267 and I'm still not very calm. But it is like, it's this incremental, like things just start to slow down, you start to be able to like breathe while you're moving and doing something. And uhm, this is something that I feel is one of the big gifts from


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[Assistant] Almost a year of this work. And as I've written about this many times that uhm, like training exhausted is really important. You can work in the gym for two hours and really it's the last two minutes that give you the growth.


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[Assistant] I could not feel what I feel now eight months ago. It took eight months of grinding and having a really hard time. But now I'm still getting my ass handed to me but I can feel where my weight is while that's happening or I can feel what the next strike is if I'm gonna like push back against the weight.


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[Assistant] It takes a lot of experience and is incredibly valuable. It reminds me of all the work I've done in Vipassana in that, uhm, when I was spending three days at the meditation retreat and I would meet with this monk, uhm, to talk about what my experience was like. On like my third day, like the last day before I left, I was like,


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[Assistant] There are times I'm practicing and I know it's not right. That's okay that it's not right.


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[Assistant] He was so happy, like, clapped his hands together, and he was like, yes, just knowing it's not right, but not judging that it's not right, not being like, uh, how do I get back on the rope, like, not this, like,


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[Assistant] Non-Buddhist, non-Vipassana version is the GI Joe, knowing is half the battle. Like, now he knows.


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[Assistant] Yeah, this is the way we've been talking about this because we're trying to explain, you know, Koonpon and what it's like sparring with someone like him. It comes off a little bit one-sided.


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[Assistant] I give back a lot in sparring, so there are times where the violence is completely being brought back by me, there are days where I'm kind of on a little bit of a upper edge, uhm, like


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[Assistant] A lot of the exchanges are like, I got that one, I got that one, you have one, I come back, like this kind of thing. So uhm, we talk about this in another Muay Thai Bones episode, but it's this like tiger energy that doesn't actually feel good. It's like the were tiger.


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[Assistant] Meeting that energy, like actually having the violence or having the dominance or having the, uhm, qualities that are necessary to like meet that


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[Assistant] Uh, doesn't necessarily feel good. Like it's a, a Jekyll and Hyde monstrous Hulk in the Hulk stage. Like it, it's not a like lovely feeling.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so part of my redlining, like part of what's so hard is not just that I'm getting my ass kicked all the time, it's that I have to go into these were tiger states and it's hard and, uhm, painful.


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[Assistant] I was very, very surprised. Yesterday was my first day of introducing this, like, let's have really light days. Uhm, usually, Yodkun Paan is completely covered in padding in order to allow for this, like, full power strikes.


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[Assistant] Elbow pads, big gloves, shin guards, like he looks like a transformer, like he's just completely covered. It's kinda like those like attack dogs or like self defense classes where people are all padded out. It's kinda like that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, he can't move as well as, or as freely as he'd like to with all that equipment in the same way that anyone, uh, who has sparred with or without shin guards fought with or without shin guards can like feel that difference.


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[Assistant] But so, yesterday, to introduce this idea of let's go lighter, I was like, don't put the headgear on, don't put the belly pad on.


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[Assistant] Like he took the parking brake off or whatever. Uhm.


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[Assistant] But what was really surprising to me is how exhausting going lighter was. Like it was really tiring. Uhm, we had discovered or like, uh,


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[Assistant] Considered that maybe one of the reasons I'm so sore after my fights aside from fighting giants all the time is that you're just tense. Like you're just, your muscles are tense all the time from like the pressure. Uhm, and going softer actually made me more tense.


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[Assistant] Because there's like more time between things or like my distance was not turning as hard or like whatever these things are like.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and then like I, I have this habit of when I'm trying to be relaxed, my hands just come down and he's just elbowing me, popping me like, don't bring your hands down. And so there's this like,


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[Assistant] Keeping, keeping your hands up, but not tight up, but like relaxed up, that like chart chai on a hanger kind of thing, it's like...


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[Assistant] Uhm, it actually is like if you're a, uhm,


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[Assistant] My, like, striking vocabulary went up, uhm, he liked that I was using more footwork, uhm,


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[Assistant] Which I don't think was true today. I think that was true yesterday. And not so much today. I felt very still and like, flat-footed and grounded today. Uhm, but he...


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[Assistant] I would like throw a strike or something and there's a correction that's like, don't throw it slow.


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[Assistant] Or you can do the Karaha style and just not fully extend it. Like, there are times when he'll just put his hip like this and I'm like, I would've-


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[Assistant] I forgot what we were talking about, just how exhausting being light is. Oh, so he has this complaint, he's like, don't go slow, like don't distort your technique in order to be soft. So he would tell me to go harder.


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[Assistant] Like kick him harder. And so I could on some things like this, but I'm very conscious of not punching him too hard because he's not wearing the headgear and he had said that he gets a little bit rocked sometimes. So it's like,


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[Assistant] Learning how to control your own body, like learning how to...


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[Assistant] Pull things without like distorting things is really difficult, but he seems to understand some of the benefits of


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[Assistant] Going light, but then he will totally like amp it up. Like it's his engine just.


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[Assistant] Today, a couple of times I was like, no, really, like, bring it back down. It was a little bit of a, like, adjusting back down, but.


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[Assistant] Not only because I'm very shy and I don't like telling people what to do in any way, or especially someone who I respect, I would never be like,


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[Assistant] Do this, I'm, I'm the boss, but it's not like my style at all. Uhm, but there's also, we have this complicated thing, uhm, about introducing the idea of going light, because timing matters, like we don't want it to seem like it's in response to something.


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[Assistant] When, when I'm telling him, bow bow, like, bring it back down, I don't want it to seem like he just did something wrong. I want it to be like, no, no, we just kinda got a little bit outside of the line, so let's pull it back in. I don't want it to be like, you did something wrong, and now I'm sulking and wanna put it like this. So it's like,


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[Assistant] Sculpting, molding situation, uhm, that actually, I don't know if you're ready to segue, but a segue is a little bit into this idea of, I, I need to be able to make adjustments


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[Assistant] But I need to be very honest about those adjustments because I do not want to be making them in order to like, make it easier for myself. I don't want to be responding to my own...


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[Assistant] We, in another Muay Thai Bones podcast, and myself personally in a video, uhm, have talked about


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[Assistant] It is a different brain experience. I have, uh, what I call rawness, which I just feel like a raw nerve. It's both physical, like my pain threshold is reduced, but it's very emotional, like I just cannot.


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[Assistant] There were days when, uhm, Arjun Gimmu, who's 78 years old, back when I was, uh, doing pads with him at Petron Rung a long time ago, he would, he would just yell at me, like, he would be like, no, you're going too fast, and I would just want to cry. And I was like, don't, don't yell at me. And when you're that kind of raw, I don't want to be responding to that untruthfully.


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[Assistant] Like I want to acknowledge that I'm in a raw state, but I don't want it to be a like,


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[Assistant] I did think to myself today, I was like, I would hate to be fighting.


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[Assistant] My filter was off, like I totally had this like, I'm just being overwhelmed and feeling awful and all this stuff and I'm like, uh, I don't tend to be like, Yodkunpon's having a bad day.


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[Assistant] In this idea of quitting, this like, if you're gonna start bringing things...


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[Assistant] You have to make decisions about why you're doing that and what the purposes of that are and not have it be a response?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's gotta be a like, hey, tomorrow is gonna be light.


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[Assistant] I'm actually super stoked. It's like a little bit of a side thing. He's been wearing elbow pads for many, many months now. And again, he is the elbow hunter of a hundred stitches. This dude's elbows can come from anywhere. They're incredible. They're relentless.


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[Assistant] He was really stoked to put the elbow pads on to be able to start like elbowing and playing with them. He barely ever elbows me. Like almost never.


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[Assistant] And I was kinda like, I don't really know how to ask about this or whatever, and whenever I would ask him about it, he's like, oh, I don't have the, I don't have the junghwa, I don't have the rhythm for it cause you're on me or whatever the thing is.


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[Assistant] Not only this, they are nice, like slicing elbows with the pad on so I'm fine.


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[Assistant] As someone who has received many, many, many elbows that cut, there's this little like pop, like you can feel the pop.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and it's from just, just the edge, just hitting or slicing by.


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[Assistant] That's a great skill to not hit somebody with a forearm. That's what he's hitting me with. He's wearing the pad so it's not cutting me. If he did, I'd be okay with that. Yodkinpon did this to me.


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[Assistant] Actually, the reason we got him the Hannibal Lecter, um, headgear was because I had landed an upward elbow into his mouth that was actually


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[Assistant] Damaging a little bit. I didn't knock his teeth out or anything, but I think I cut his like, freedom or something.


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[Assistant] This is gonna be the like you lose some people answer.


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[Assistant] People, people who believe there's a tie kick, right?


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[Assistant] Whatever. There are many, many, many Thai kicks. There are like so many different ways to do something. It's like saying that there's like...


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[Assistant] If you forget the word, you can actually talk around it, and people still know what you're talking about with this donut of never actually saying that word.


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[Assistant] Nine years I've been here trying to spar, which is that when I spar, I spar with teenage boys. That's who's my size.


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[Assistant] And if they have a strong female putting it on them, they will get made fun of. Like, it's not a like...


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[Assistant] That's muddier than what happens with boys, although boys experience it as well, which is that when you're young enough, when you're little enough, your emotions are not settled yet and they cry, like the little boys cry all the time. And so it's like, okay, you cried too fast today, go calm down. Now you have to come back so that we toughen you up.


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[Assistant] You got beat up by this kid, so tomorrow we're gonna put you against someone that you can gain confidence against. You were a bully today, tomorrow you get your ass kicked.


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[Assistant] There's this kind of like shaping that happens in this emotional state of young boys.


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[Assistant] Yes. I had to learn that as an adult, which is...


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[Assistant] So then, I'm in this horrible position, which is that


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[Assistant] I have to learn to amp it up a little bit, to defend myself, to like use a little bit of a shock knee that's like, I can hurt you too, calm the fuck down. I know we have young listeners, I'm sorry that I swear, I swear. Uhm, you can calm someone down, you can be like, do you want it to amp or do you want it to come back down? And they're like, oh no, I'll bring it back down because they just got a little excited. There are some people who will bring it up.


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[Assistant] And it's very difficult because there's a part of you that wants to look to your trainer and be like, look at what a dick he's being. Like, I'm being cool, what's this problem? That's not usually how fighters are developed.


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[Assistant] But at the same time, at my age, and as a woman, I'm not rewarded for


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[Assistant] Like, if it becomes like a, like, nobody's really looking at it, like, we can kind of see that she's holding her own, but she's not amping it too much, then it's okay. If I lose my cool because they lost their cool, it's like, you're in your 30s. Like, what are you doing losing your cool with a 14 year old? He's 14. That's fine.


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[Assistant] All of that being the like background to I have had to learn how to not only I had to learn the lesson of protecting myself that was correct.


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[Assistant] But then I also had to throw in a lesson of, okay, you can protect yourself, now you have to be the bigger man. You have to be the like, do you want it to amp? No, we keep it down here. Like you don't always fly off the handle.


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[Assistant] Learn to kind of control it. Now I'm having to do this verbally in a like,


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[Assistant] Like today, I was incredibly raw. Today was like a 9 out of 10 raw day.


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[Assistant] Happily, you sweat so much wiping your face as like normal. I did not cry between rounds today.


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[Assistant] To what degree is he actually not doing bow bow and it's like too much? Like to what degree is he wrong? And to what degree am I just hyper sensitive to the entire situation?


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[Assistant] If you have a sunburn, tepid water's awful.


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[Assistant] Take it way down, because I feel horrible today. Because I'm gonna have to fight in the condition that I'm currently in. And you can't be like, excuse me, ball me. Quit putting your hand in my face, I hate it. Like, it's not.


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[Assistant] But I will say there is a degree to which the like having permission


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[Assistant] I use this example a lot, which is like, Sylvie, how the hell do you do this? If I'm running and I want to stop or I want to slow down.


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[Assistant] So, there's a little bit of that that's like, just go like this, and then giving yourself permission, I can stop.


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[Assistant] But I'm choosing not to. Having permission to verbally be like, take it down.


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[Assistant] Mitigates what I've been trying very hard to not do which as a woman is incredibly hard because patriarchy is for both men and women trained this way.


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[Assistant] I'm far less inclined to like bury into myself and demonstrate how sad or frustrated or whatever I am.


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[Assistant] There have been mornings where I had planned to run, but I'm like, no, cause it's raining. No, cause I just like slept two minutes the night before.


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[Assistant] When you have so much on the table,


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[Assistant] You have to have priorities of what can come off the table first, right? So like,


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[Assistant] If, if I decide that like, no matter what I decided last night, I'd set my alarm to run so I have to run, no matter what happens in the night, no matter if I wake up with my stomach hurting, like whatever the thing is, if I run, it's the first thing in my day.


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[Assistant] That makes every single thing which is lots of things after that difficult for the rest of the day. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] There's a reason we've moved away from that, which is that it served its purpose for the many, many years that I was doing that. And now, having- what?


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[Assistant] I do, I do not in general, like, show up to training and be like, ah, I'm actually not feeling good, I'm gonna not do things. Like, I end up doing mostly what I was planning on doing.


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[Assistant] At WKO sparring with P Mutt, right?


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[Assistant] And it was just, just endure it. Like just, even though it was like so useless in terms of like actually developing any kind of skill.


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[Assistant] It was making me very tough. Like, needed that toughness. We got to a point where it's like, you don't need to be toughened up anymore, and now it's actually like, pushing...


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[Assistant] You do what you say you're gonna do all the time, no exceptions, no changes.


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[Assistant] Had its shaping purpose, and now in the like, Sylvie wants to be the captain of her own boat, she wants to have decisions in how she trains, all of these different things.


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[Assistant] The ability to have some kind of plasticity, some kind of malleability, uhm, that is now the like.


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[Assistant] To be 100% honest, yes, because there are times I wake up and I'm like, not gonna run. So that is what that is.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna have to figure it out because I had thought to myself that with this particular thing, we train six days a week.


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[Assistant] So maybe I pick three days that will be light and three days that will be hard or like four and two, I don't know, something like this. And you like,


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[Assistant] Rather than, oh, it's a light day, but I actually feel super good, so I'm gonna go hard. It's like, no, take it down. Or like, today's a hard day, but fucking hell, it sucks, I'm gonna go light. It's like, no, you get through today.


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[Assistant] Yeah, in the way that like a cattle dog is super like food motivated, I'm very like obligation motivated.


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[Assistant] You, you have to change, you have to adjust, you have to like, you know,


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[Assistant] The entire structure of a western gym is so anathema to the structure of Thai pedagogy.


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[Assistant] And they do train each other in gyms, but it's basically just an age hierarchy of like, you're 13 so you hold pads for the 6 year old, but it's not instructing.


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[Assistant] Well it was very slow cook, like the instruction came very long term. Not like a stop and correct kind of thing.


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[Assistant] And with my years of experience, I actually am part of this, like, I come from a Western...


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[Assistant] Mindset, I come from a western upbringing and then I come to Thailand and I learn it the way that Thais learn it and so I have this weird bridging of like, let me explain this.


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[Assistant] In English, but this is not how I learned it, like, doing all the work for Clinch, but then being like, hey, you can do this, that's not how it's taught.


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[Assistant] correction, which is something like step, like step on the kick, step on the knee, whatever the thing is, and so the person is like, I need to, I need to step.


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[Assistant] To land the knee, blah blah blah, and it's like this totally confusing moment between both of them, with this lack of understanding with this thing.


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[Assistant] And it boils down to your distance. Like, you just need to be closer.


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[Assistant] Doesn't matter what your step is, doesn't matter like what the like, is the angle of my foot this way or that way or like this compartmentalized like,


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[Assistant] Yes, step your foot here. It's like, no, just get closer. However you get closer, whether it's two steps, whether it's like you wait for the guy to come.


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[Assistant] I can't remember what the name is, unfortunately, of like the entire system of health in India.


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[Assistant] Yeah, unfortunately I can't remember what it's called. You balance your doshas.


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[Assistant] This has been completely extracted when it comes to the West, which is...


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[Assistant] I, for example, was taking Ashwagandha, which does these things. And so you're like, that's great, I want it to do these things for me. But you don't take into account that it does those things when it's balanced with these other things. People are like, I do yoga. Yoga is part of an entire system. You can't just pull that one thing out and put it here.


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[Assistant] For example, this like, you read an article that says, iron does all these things in your body, iron is really good, some people are anemic. So you start taking iron, you don't know whether you're anemic or not, and now you have too much iron, and now you have to go find articles that are about when you have too much iron, and it's like, there's this automatic


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[Assistant] Kind of like, goop situation that's like, ooh, this thing makes your skin clear, I'm gonna take that and put it in a pill so that people can have clear skin. And it's like, in the context of all this other stuff, I got super excited the other day because on a YouTube video, uhm, that Onyx had put together, uhm, of Hippie's Kick,


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[Assistant] Honest sponsor for a long time. Uhm, Onyx edited it and made it compact and we put it up on YouTube and somebody had tagged someone else in it and they were like, this is one of the kicks from the golden age. And I love that he was like, this is one of the kicks because so many other comments are, why would you choose this over the Taekwondo? It's like,


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[Assistant] The question is when would you choose this, not why would you choose this or any of these things, but like, the idea that uhm, there are,


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[Assistant] Multiples of something or like, uh, a great


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[Assistant] Like, I love this plant. I'm gonna pull the seed off and put it in the dirt that I have at home. It might not grow.


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[Assistant] I just remembered what I was trying to get at is this thing that you're like


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[Assistant] Vitamin C is great, the thing with the like, this is one of the kicks from the golden age that this guy tagged, like this is one of the kicks of the golden age. If you're like, oranges have vitamin C and carrots also have vitamin C, people are like, well, should you eat oranges or carrots?


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[Assistant] They both have vitamin C kind of thing is that this like kind of nutritional


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[Assistant] Knowledge, nutritional intake of how things are actually connected, where they come from, like context. The context is taught in Thai gyms because the context is Thai-ness.


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[Assistant] It's a long form training session. It's not highlights.


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[Assistant] And it gets watered down with each iteration, so.


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[Assistant] You learn it from your gym and you preserve it as best you can from that gym, but it's still just kind of a diluting each.


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[Assistant] Yeah, his legendariness was like, bigfoot. It was like, you read about him in the paper, but you've never seen him.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and the more that it gets distorted, like when the consumer ability of something gets more processed and processed and processed, it actually becomes unconsumable in its more raw source.


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[Assistant] We watch a lot of movies, uhm, if you watch like an old kung fu movie, the choreography and the like character is expressed in the way that they fight and just the kind of like the whole structure of it is incredibly different from like


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[Assistant] The Bourne Identity, which is edited, or even an Avengers movie where there's like 10 Avengers going and you're like, I just, I can't even track anybody, like I don't, tell me what it's done kind of thing.


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[Assistant] Very different. I think of a movie like Saving Private Ryan that starts with the storming of Normandy and shots fired and it's like you're right in the action immediately. And I'm like, I don't care about any of these people. Like, yes, it's very stressful, but it's not the same as if that scene were starting the third act or something.