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[Assistant] It's different on Twitter because it's like on Twitter, anybody cannot be following you and post something that is like retweeting you and talking shit about you, but you don't have any actual involvement in it. They're putting it on their Twitter. If they're gonna talk shit.


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[Assistant] In your comments, on your Instagram, that is really, the feeling is like they just came to your house and are just standing out in the front yard talking shit. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Definitely. Uhm, so, what, your first record, your first record that you put out, or let's talk about the decision to even sign to a major in the first place. Do you recall that time period in your life and were you just 100% ready to go on that front?


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[Assistant] Akon, I was supposed to have an Akon interview a while back. Akon man, come on man. Where you at?


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[Assistant] I was thinking about that, when I'm dealing with labels, I was thinking about that Wu Tang lyric and he said, uh, who's your A&R, a mountain climber who plays on electric guitar. I remember being a little kid hearing that and being like, wow, like, there's really people who like work in the rap industry who don't know anything about rap.


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[Assistant] And then when you go actually go to labels, you realize like, oh, that's actually probably the majority of people that work at labels.


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[Assistant] And then nowadays it's kind of like, well these are the artists who were already kind of popping off and then the labels had to jump on top of them and give them a whole bunch of money to sign them.


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[Assistant] It's like a little bit of a change in how that shit takes place. I agree. Yeah. Uhm, so you get on the label and your first project comes out and are you all of a sudden just this like global superstar and your whole profile just explodes and everything is just all of a sudden way different?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was epic, yeah. And so you're just on this roller coaster ride, or are you just all of a sudden on tour, just living like a completely different life? How'd it go?


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[Assistant] Right. When you say street money, you mean that you were really in the streets or were you just selling your albums on the streets?


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[Assistant] But was it a big deal to decide that you needed to leave that shit behind? Yea, it was a big deal. Really? Were there people who were disappointed in you?


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[Assistant] Was it a weird transition where all of a sudden, I feel like for somebody like you who's coming from such a real place, that all of a sudden they're taking you and they're putting you in front of all these different, uh, like, you know, media opportunities. You got all these people who basically just don't understand where you're coming from at all.


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[Assistant] And you're just being put under this lens where they're sort of analyzing you and all the things that you think are kind of normal about yourself are all of a sudden this like funny little gimmick to them.


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[Assistant] Damn, the media training, that's a fucking wild thing to actually go through. I've like heard about it so much and I've always been curious about what they actually tell you in that shit.


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[Assistant] It ain't hard. Do you see that? That's a weird thing that has happened where it's like artists don't really need labels now but it's still a prevalent mentality that you need to be signed if you really want to do anything.


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[Assistant] Do you ever think about what your career might have been like if you had stayed independent?


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[Assistant] No, that is a weird feeling for a lot of people. I feel like, like, even myself, my first time I signed a record deal and was really working with a label, it's like, damn, this is the first time in my whole life that I really feel like I had a job. Not my whole life, but since I was a kid.


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[Assistant] You know? Like really feel like you're actually just going into some office and just having to like talk to people and shit. I just had never really had to...


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[Assistant] Have that kind of mentality. Flip that switch of just feeling like I'm an employee all of a sudden. And I guess for a lot of rappers, that's really where the conflict starts with the labels. That they're just not used to acting like, you know, a person that has to get along with others, that has to be able to make shit work in that sense.


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[Assistant] I feel like as an East Coast kid that you were part of like this huge movement too because if you really think about it and like, I think Outkast got booed at the Source Awards in maybe 98 or 99.


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[Assistant] And then all of a sudden, four or five years later, we had like, you know, a huge wave of Texas rappers and down south rappers coming out and all of a sudden, the disrespect that OutKast had been showing in that situation felt like a distant memory.


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[Assistant] Like that was kind of that last blast of elitism from New York of feeling like people down south didn't matter and then all of a sudden that kind of culminated. Four or five years later we had people like you and Paul Wall and Slim Thug, everybody just sort of like having this mainstream moment.


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[Assistant] That had not really been something that people could have imagined even just a few years prior.


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[Assistant] And you were one of the faces of that, of really changing shit.


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[Assistant] Definitely. Uhm, I feel like also as like an East Coast kid that when you did collabs with Dipset and G-Unit that was like a big moment that not just me but everybody that I was around that's when like you started to get on the radar of like the average person that I was familiar with who realistically that's what we were listening to.


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[Assistant] Man, me and Duke the God got so fucking drunk one time. Like just, we tried to do an interview and we just got fucking loaded.


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[Assistant] Juelz like, at that time, I feel like he was a person that was sort of observing the more simple style of rapping or the more slow down style of rapping that was largely coming from down south and then he sort of


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's like, there's been certain times, I remember I was interviewing Rico Reckless one time, he's sitting here with his son, and his son is watching music videos the whole time we're doing the interview and he's watching Lil Pump, Maddox.


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[Assistant] Little skies, little, you know, just all these little rappers. Every rap, take hey. Just rappers who, to him, felt like they had that youthful energy that he could relate to them. And it's just a kind of wild thing to realize like how important that is. And when you see a song, when you see songs on YouTube or whatever that do,


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[Assistant] Uhm, okay, so yeaah, d-do you recall, actually like working with Cameron for the first time, or what that might have been like?


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[Assistant] Damn, you guys have a couple of classics. It's so weird when you go on YouTube and even see 10 years ago. And it was longer than that. 2009.


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[Assistant] I mean you guys were both like two of the hottest new young dudes coming out so it must have been like a wild combined energy at that time.


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[Assistant] Really? Ah man, he killed it. That's a classic one, even though none of that slang must have been anything that you were used to saying at that time, right?


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[Assistant] Come here, son. That wasn't something you called your friends. But then that just became a thing at a certain point. Okay, so, uh.


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[Assistant] At what point did Screw pass away, like in terms of your career and what was your observation of that at that time when that hit?


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? You know, if you're moving that fast, I've had that same exact experience where if someone passes but you're so wrapped up in what you're doing at that moment that it just takes time for you to even realize how you really feel about losing that person.


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[Assistant] But uhm, did that cause you to sort of reflect on...


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[Assistant] Your lifestyle or like all the things that, that seem so normal that you came up doing?


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[Assistant] That's a good way to age yourself extra fast is if all of a sudden you look like a real fat version of the dude who put out the song like a couple years ago. All of a sudden you look like a funny version of that, then the kids are not gonna be able to think of you the same.


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[Assistant] Wow. That's crazy. You don't have a hard time holding it together in terms of working out when you're on the road and shit? Cause that's something I, I could work out four, five, six days a week. No problem. As soon as I'm on the road, it's like maybe out of a week I'll drag myself to that hotel gym once. Nah.


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[Assistant] I love weed, but that's the one thing that sometimes occurs to me is like, if I wasn't smoking weed, I'll probably be catching workouts at two in the morning. You know?


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[Assistant] Straight up. Like, I would just be able to find that motivation. I was thinking that last night, I get home, I start rolling a wood right away, and I had been thinking previously in the day, I'm like, I'm gonna get on that bike, I'm gonna do a half hour when I get home. I get home, nope, rolling a wood.


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[Assistant] I try to like set up incentives in my mind where it's like I'm not gonna let myself play video games or like do something that if I'm really fiending to like play this video game or something I got a desire it's like in my head it's like no you gotta you gotta or even you know what I try to not shower unless I work out first.


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[Assistant] I still will do it, but it's like, I like that mentality because then it's like, if I wake up in the morning, it's like, oh, I just want to take a shower. It's like, nah, you're not taking a shower unless you get a workout in it. And that, that mentality will make me work out way more often. Well, see, you got a system that works for you.


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[Assistant] I'm kinda like getting to the point where I feel like I gotta dress more in accordance with what I'm doing. Like if it's a nice spring day and you're just like going out for brunch but I'm wearing like tight black jeans and a black t-shirt like the same way I dress every other fucking day, I'm just like this does not feel like appropriate


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[Assistant] I feel like the goth kid in high school. I'm trying to look like a bad kid.


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[Assistant] But wha- yeah, wha- you're just married to wearin' all black? Just feels right?


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[Assistant] And athletes, and athletes. Just excellence overall.


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[Assistant] I've seen you have a thing called, like, hashtag arts over drugs. Correct. Where did that motivation come from? Like, did you start looking at your career at a certain point and be like, you know, I feel like I need to do something that's more explicitly positive?


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[Assistant] And if you give kids an option, if you give them something to be motivated with, then that's just the number one thing that's gonna keep them away from getting into bad shit.


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[Assistant] Being prepared is number one, like you gotta have that safety net, that cushion.


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[Assistant] It's really unfortunate because I feel like you come from an environment where your parents were making it pretty obvious to you that you were special and that you could have talent, that you could do something positive with yourself. Same thing with me. But a lot of kids, their parents apparently just don't really give a shit enough to try to breathe that confidence into them.


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[Assistant] And then when you see those kids at 17, 18, those are the types of kids that get into drugs. Those are the types that get crazy into the gang shit or just all kinds of shit. Cause they don't, they don't have that right in front of them that they could be something bigger than that.


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[Assistant] So you keep that part of your life super low key? Yeaah. Okay. Yeaah. But still pretty young, I'm assuming.


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[Assistant] Okay, let's do it. I assume, I'm real curious about your, your painting. Cause that's something I lost over the years. I used to paint so much when I was in high school and shit and just sort of over the years sort of strayed away from it.


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[Assistant] That was like our era of like cartoon characters and shit, all the shit that was popping at that time.


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[Assistant] How do you end up running as a talent at this point? Is it through working in studios and shit, or just through your friends?


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[Assistant] That's funny. What's a little flip show like these days? Who comes out?


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[Assistant] Really? Yeaah. In real life. That must have come so natural to you at this point.


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[Assistant] That's what I do. Yeah, that's what you do well. Thank you man. Okay, two official questions I have written down here. Actually maybe three. Okay.


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[Assistant] I, I wrote my initial notes to interview you, like, over a year ago when we were first supposed to do this interview, and I'm not sure exactly what I was gonna ask, but I just, one of the things just says, Trump. What are your thoughts on Trump?


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[Assistant] Don't comment. Yeah. Have you been outspoken about your disliking his presidency?


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[Assistant] That's just me. How do you feel about the wall? You're not so far away from where the wall might be. Man.


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[Assistant] What's your relationship with him like at this point? You ever talk?


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[Assistant] I don't know enough about my uh, our products that we're selling.


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[Assistant] You know, that kind of went away at a certain point is that remember like rap albums when you go look at the back of them and there would be no S's. Everything would be a Z.


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[Assistant] Yeah. How's he doing? Great. What's his, uh, what's he like these days? Lifestyle wise?


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[Assistant] Same. Chill southern gentleman, what we're probably expecting in our head.


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[Assistant] I love Jesus all over the socks, there we go. And you got some vans with some fucking Japanese writing all over them. The drip don't stop.


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[Assistant] Man. They could kind of use it, right? Like I feel like the time is probably right. Somebody walked up to my car.


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[Assistant] I heard Joe Buns say that on his podcast the other day, he said Jay-Z his whole career has held back and not said shit about whatever he was thinking about talking about and then he dropped a song where he spoke on everything he wanted him to talk about and basically told you like all that shit you think is hot is actually lame.


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[Assistant] Very true. We're all working on our first billion.


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[Assistant] Ay, damn right. You might have one tucked away, we don't know how many albums you sold out the trunk back in the day.


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[Assistant] I'm always so impressed when people can edit. I mix my own music. That's hard too.


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[Assistant] I could probably edit a video, I could definitely edit a video, I'm not saying it would be great, but I could definitely edit a video, but whenever I've seen, one time I've seen,


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[Assistant] Somebody like, had a video of 6'9", and he's just all of a sudden, he's in front of a fucking computer and he's editing video, and I'm like, wow, alright. You know, I know he's got a disgraced reputation at this point, but I was pretty impressed that he was editing his own video, cause that shows that he just really 100% gave a fuck about how he was presenting himself, you know?


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[Assistant] Sort of drilled down into the personality a little flip as just being like an extremely creative, uh, open-minded person. I don't know if any like interviews that I saw prior to this necessarily like communicated that as well as I feel like I now understand.


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[Assistant] You just have a very open mind and very creative spirit.


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[Assistant] It's taking you far. It'll take you far in life if you got, if you got a love for that creativity, cause you never know what's gonna hit.


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[Assistant] Alright, well hey man, I appreciate you coming in and doing this. This has been a very, very enjoyable conversation.


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[Assistant] You already know. The glass tip. The black glass tip. That looks expensive when you got the black glass on there.


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[Assistant] Nojumper, coolest podcast in the world. Check us out on YouTube, Soundcloud, iTunes.


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[Assistant] Let's just do a fucking random ass type beat. Let's do a Playboi Carti type beat.


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[Assistant] That was legendary, I appreciate it man. Oh yea, you know. We had Wyclef in here and he did the No Jumper song, but like his version on his acoustic guitar, but I feel like that, that and what you just did, top, top performances we ever had on here by far.


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[Assistant] Most people come through, can't even get close to one.


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[Assistant] It was actually kinda wild to be like, damn, he just made that look easy as fuck. Alright. That being said.


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[Assistant] There's trauma that's just overflowing from childhood.


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[Assistant] Things that never heal. Disconnected families.


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[Assistant] When women come in for the interview, they've already made the decision that they want to keep their baby. They are just looking for a safe place.


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[Assistant] They may not have been able to get it right the first time or the second time or the third or the fourth, but this is another chance.


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[Assistant] They are drain on finances of the community. They've made mistakes. These children are mistakes. Why do we have to take care of them? They should give their children to other people.


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[Assistant] They've been even advised to have an abortion because there's nothing that they can give to a child. But every single woman that comes through that door.


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[Assistant] Yeah, let's get him one. Let's get him a bike. Nigga, you do all types of cool tricks on the bike. I wanna be able to willy the bike. You know what I mean? Throw my leg up on the handlebar. Spin the shit. Real Dave Mirror type shit. Shouts out to him. You feel me? Because of him, I know about the band Sublime. That's the truth.


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[Assistant] Nojumpert, coolest podcast in the world, and today I'm back with Blatina. You guys did not see my previous interview with her, so just, let's just throw that out there, is that we did this already, but it was an exposed interview, and now we're really podcasting.


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[Assistant] In depth, more personal, more like we're just, you know, sitting down, growing down.


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[Assistant] I'm in kind of a weird position because I'm kind of sick today, so I feel like, you know, I needed like the guests to sort of bring up a little, wow, I don't think anyone's ever done that, but I really respect that.


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[Assistant] Where do you get a bedazzled red rag? Like, it's got all kinds of- It's hard, right? It is hard.


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[Assistant] My favorite thing about the expose interview that we did was that you busted up Blassicle.


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[Assistant] I know and I felt so guilty because I know that you had your hair like all crazy extraed out and then you had your makeup professionally done and like being that I have a girlfriend and I know what goes into that. I was like, geez, that sucks.


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[Assistant] Really? Pussy, now we're low-key, you got your real hair showing, you got a hoodie on, jeans.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, that's like the decision that you have to make as a female rapper is like, do you want to be a gangster or do you want to be a little, little hottie?


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[Assistant] Right, and you're a very, like, good personality. This is the kind of podcast I like to do with somebody who's like, you know, a popping young new rapper, but then you also can talk. A lot of people can't talk with shit.


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[Assistant] So, hit us with your background info, where you're from and all that stuff. That's why we had to wait four months to do this again, is because I wanted to be able to forget.


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[Assistant] Really, they're misogynistic because they haven't done it yet. Sexes. They hate women.


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[Assistant] The first thing you said about it was that the jail is really bad. It's like, how old were you when you first saw the prison?


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[Assistant] Okay, but what were your parents trying to raise you like before you ended up becoming a murderous gangbanger?


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[Assistant] I just wanna say this is my first time ever wearing a spiked hoodie and now the spikes are tapping the headphones and it's giving this weird noise I'm not ready for. That was mind-blowing.


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[Assistant] She's not like so popular that everybody's gonna know what we're talking about, but they're probably gonna have to all go look into it.


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[Assistant] You were always like that? Is that a behavioral issues or what?


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[Assistant] Which is there, is that common in Atlanta or the suburbs or the outskirts of Atlanta?


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[Assistant] Cause I lived in, uh, like outside Boston and New York and shit, and it's like, if somebody was Hispanic, they were probably Puerto Rican for a long time. Then you move to California and it's like, if they're Hispanic, 90% chance they're Mexican.


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[Assistant] So was there, okay, so tell me a little bit more, like as you get older and stuff, was there like a certain point where you started to sort of transform into an adult and like,


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[Assistant] Take on different hobbies, start rapping, or like, how'd that go?


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[Assistant] Were you getting fucked up when you were young too? I think I remember we talked about perks last night.


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[Assistant] That is how crazy this world is, is that a lot of people end up getting fucked up off Zanes and Perks and shit before they ever really start drinking.


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[Assistant] You said she used to be part of your team, is that because of this situation that she's not? A little bit, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Did you ever feel like there was anybody who really like facilitated you being creative or was it the kind of thing where-


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[Assistant] Your life was so hectic and shit that people didn't really, you didn't get a chance to really pursue that.


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[Assistant] Donnelly, did you feel like, did you feel like


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[Assistant] Wait, is that offensive, like what I said about just like assuming that there had to be like a dude that like kinda put you on to like what it was to be a rapper?


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[Assistant] There's a bunch of dope female rappers right now and who are actually doing well and are popular and to be honest, that was not a thing until the past couple years.


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[Assistant] Because you're kind of like a tough type chick, but then it's not like you're like butch or anything. Yeah, you know. You have, I'm gonna sit here and like objectify you, but you know, you're pretty, you're like, you know, you're also, you have a red rag on the microphone.


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[Assistant] How much of your Mexican-ness comes through in your music?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and you are part of like multiple different like identity groups that in rap have been emerging but are not like fully fleshed out as like obvious things. Like you know, we're currently going through like the Hispanic or Latino like revolution in like hip hop music as well as like the female revolution in music it feels like.


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[Assistant] They're, they're working with a level of energy that you're not, you don't have access to.


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[Assistant] Okay. You thought that up or did somebody else come to you with it?


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[Assistant] Something like that. Anyway, where'd that come from? Was that something you were around growing up?


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[Assistant] So do you feel like you're sorta like putting on for the element that you were raised around?


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[Assistant] Right. I feel like in LA, things are very different in terms of like, the gang politics and shit. They might not be used to Mexican bloods out here, but that shit is worldwide.


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[Assistant] So who else has like kind of looked out for you in terms of the music industry and everything or like helped you out with getting your career off the ground?


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[Assistant] That's how you kind of came into it is that you felt like you were sort of flexing or proving yourself to the people that were around you or hating on you.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, it's crazy cause it's like if you, if you really are good and smart and you're able to build a team and you're able to put all those pieces together yourself, then you don't really need a label. The problem is that most people are stupid and need a label.


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[Assistant] This is crazy, I think how many people get into the game and they don't know shit and they end up making tons of consequential mistakes that affect them for so many years just because they don't really know.


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[Assistant] Right, but there's probably a lot of people who have guns in videos that that is literally the only time they've ever touched a gun.


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[Assistant] If you're in New York, and you have a gun in the video, it's kinda like, woah, cause like, New York gun laws are way tighter.


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[Assistant] I used to have a jug at Walmart where you go in, somebody put me on this, I did it one time, I was fucking scared to do it again. You go in, they were like, you gotta get like...


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[Assistant] These bottles of vitamins or like anything in that section and then you go to the pharmacy area and you return them. And you just say boom, I'll return this and they'll give you cash for it.


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[Assistant] Right, yea, like you can't, for me, I'm the type of person where I could never work somewhere without constantly just thinking about how I was gonna rip him off.


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[Assistant] Oh yea. My first relationship was a girl for sure. Really all of them.


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[Assistant] Oh, you said that and then people started saying shit to you? Oh god, I can't even imagine.


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[Assistant] I have weird shit written down like from my notes that I wrote for you like five months ago that I don't even remember anymore, but I said, I wrote down, fake ID. Were you lying about your age? And I don't know what that refers to exactly.


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[Assistant] I didn't? So you never had like a thing where you had- did you ever have a fake ID?


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[Assistant] I used to be friends with a dude who would just make fake IDs for people for like a business and he would take all the identities of the people that we went to high school with and he would use those to make fake IDs for everybody.


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[Assistant] You're about to be 21? 19. 19, holy shit. You're very grown for your age.


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[Assistant] I didn't get caught because I was doing it in 2003 where it was really hard to catch people for that shit. I assume it's really easy to get caught now.


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[Assistant] But I was having so much fun with it, just lying and like making up a reason why I would have to buy something that...


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[Assistant] Really? Yes. Are there crazy press pill problems out there too?


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[Assistant] No, that's an important skill to have though. I follow, I'm not gonna laugh at all, this fool on Twitter, his name is, his name is DJ Dabs, but it's like, his account is called Fake Lean Busted and all day people just tweet pictures of bottles and of them pouring up and shit and ask him if it's real and like a huge percentage of the time. They send pictures of all their pills and he's like, nope, fake.


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[Assistant] So was there a moment where you had to be like, fuck it, I'm a rapper now, I'm not doing any of this bullshit anymore?


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[Assistant] Cause when you're growing up, like, you're saying like all your uncles are with that and everything, that's gotta be like a big part of what sort of house you wrapped up in is, that your actual family is in it.


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[Assistant] I always think it's kind of funny because Riverdale was also, you're way too young, you're not going to know what Archie is, right?


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[Assistant] Old comic book, old comic strip thing that was in the newspaper and that was the town they were from was Riverdale.


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[Assistant] I know, I don't even remember what it was, but it must have been, it was before Xbox, yea.


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[Assistant] Did you have a boyfriend when we did the interview last time too? No. Also this is a new thing.


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[Assistant] I'm strong. How'd that come about? What kind of dude is he?


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[Assistant] That's real. Yeah. I'm a savage to these butts of hair. I'm gentle.


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[Assistant] He's been around forever and he was talking about how back in the day he was so serious about his shit that he would, he, he had like an offer from a record label to sign with his record label for a shitload of money and they basically were like a little bit affiliated with the Bloods. He was like, no, can't do it.


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[Assistant] He said that like basically he just, it's been hard for him to even get into the mentality of Crips and Bloods being able to be cool with each other because for him growing up that was just impossible.


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[Assistant] Really, that's weird cause it's kinda like nowadays, all the gang stuff, people treat it like a joke, people are always, you know.


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[Assistant] Right. What, from the comments and shit or just how you're repping?


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[Assistant] You got like tons of videos out, you're doing good, views are up, everything like that. Where do you see yourself in terms of where you're at in your career and where you need to go?


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[Assistant] So which one are you, your strategy? Yes. Okay.


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[Assistant] The industry plant thing is kind of real these days.


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[Assistant] Do you have like a project coming out that you're working on or is it more about just doing the videos one at a time?


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[Assistant] Whoops. That's really the problem with me having this on the table is that that might happen.


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[Assistant] I hope that it would still be saved. One time a dog peed all over the table in the middle of an interview. D. Savage.


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[Assistant] No, D Savage was doing an interview and he had a little dog. It's pissing me off.


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[Assistant] I like that idea that I'd give like a dog like a rapper name. That's how I'd do Savage. That is my dog though.


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[Assistant] But not an actual dog. He's watching this right now, having his ass off, I bet.


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[Assistant] You ain't been in LA long enough. He's a blood though, so you guys might get along.


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[Assistant] One time I was talking to somebody who was a janitor at like a college, this like huge college building, and he told me that the girls' rooms are like a hundred times nastier, like the women's shared bathrooms are so much more disgusting than the men's rooms.


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[Assistant] He told me that girls would take their tampons and just mush them into the wall and shit.


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[Assistant] Earlier I dropped a little part of a sandwich on the ground and I just looked at it and I'm like, I'm not eating that and then I realized that if this was in my house that I probably would eat it because my house feels like it's so clean that if I dropped something on the ground I wouldn't be that disgusted by it but the ground here, not so much.


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[Assistant] Her birthday. Was it like super late at night after the club or something? Yes, it was.


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[Assistant] That was actually like in the vlog too, so everybody got to see a part of that. God.


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[Assistant] One day you'll be 30 and just shit, nothing matters anymore. Like, eh, suck his dick, fuck it. I'm gonna clean the house.


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[Assistant] Nah, but you're gonna be like Cardi B level by like 30, so it's like you're gonna be like...


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[Assistant] That's really important. Stay the course. Keep going and don't, you know, don't blow your shit up because it ain't working fast enough.


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[Assistant] I have so many conversations with people who are like starting brands and they've been doing it for like a month and they're like, I just feel like my shit's never gonna blow up and stuff and I'm like...


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[Assistant] You realize that I'm 35 and you've only known who I am for the past couple years, right?


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[Assistant] Xavier Wolf, Puya, XXXTentacion, Lil Pump.


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[Assistant] Dude, you should have seen it. Lil Xan walked in and her eyes just lit up like, oh, I'm gonna fuck you for cloud. This is gonna be great. Yeah.


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[Assistant] To be honest, like, I can't, I've never seen the real version of her. She tried to follow me into the bathroom right before we did the interview.


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[Assistant] She did, she showed up randomly and Selena was here and Selena dipped out like, like in 30 seconds later. My girl's not like, she would never fight a girl, really.


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[Assistant] I don't know if I want you being friends with my girlfriend, I don't want her to be fucking bloody Lena tomorrow.


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[Assistant] Alright, we crossed the hour mark, which is way longer than the other interview would have been, so I guess we got more in depth. We just chit chat.


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[Assistant] I appreciate you coming through. Sorry for making you wait four months. You got mascara in your hand too. It's lip gloss. Lip gloss.


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[Assistant] Really? Yeah, I agree. I'm actually gonna Snapchat you just sitting there with the red rag cause it looks cool. That's alright.


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[Assistant] I know, the first time I ever met him he said that- actually the first time Trippie ever came here we had like so many fucking crips in the back and it was... odd.


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[Assistant] They looked into his history though and they decided that they were cool. It was a thing.


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[Assistant] Gotcha. Alright. Bye Tina. Appreciate you.


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[Assistant] Nojumper, coolest podcast in the world. Check us out on YouTube, Soundcloud, iTunes. Go check Blatina out too, on streaming services, on YouTube, Instagram, all that.


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[Assistant] No Jumper, coolest podcast in the motherfucking world. And today I'm here with Haiti Baby. Viral sensation, up and coming star. How you feeling? I'm feeling good. How you feeling? High as shit. After that last interview, we were pretty good. Ready to rock. Oh yeah. Thank you man for having me.


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[Assistant] I appreciate that man. Yea man. For real. Let's talk about it. You're from Stockton.


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[Assistant] Rare ass place to be from. It's like, like when we think of Stockton, we think of it as the place that's so grimy that at birth Nick and Nate D is. That's what I think of.


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[Assistant] Is there anyone who's blown up out of Stockton really, or is it still kinda dry in that regard?


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[Assistant] Long time ago and shit, yea. Yea, long time ago and shit. Way before me. Definitely not the first. But you feel like right now there's nobody really popping off. Is that part of your motivation that you wanted to do it big for where you come from?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, definitely. So, how did you start out making music?


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[Assistant] Being smart is always going to be a huge advantage or being informed. Like if you're a young dude who only knows about the shit that's going on right now, that's why there's so many rappers that just sound like fucking Playboi Carti. Playboi Carti's dope, but he's him and there's like a million people just trying to sound like him doing the same punchline, same everything. Those people would be wise to go get interested in other


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[Assistant] Errors of music, other demographics, fucking learn something. Look at Lil Nas X, he blew up, he made a fucking country song.


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[Assistant] Just cause he chose to actually think outside the box and change his sound up, you know?


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[Assistant] But so, but was it, were you sitting there beforehand thinking, I'm gonna go on there and I'm gonna do the wildest freestyle that anybody ever heard just to fuck with people and it's gonna go viral and then those same people are gonna go and look into my other music and figure out what else I got going on.


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[Assistant] But people don't know that that's what goes down in the studio, is that really being in the studio is about just, you know, putting something out there, just blurting out some sounds, going with some melodies, and then that's how rappers figure out what they're gonna actually put on the track. And that's what I thought was interesting about you and that thing, is that that's kinda what it felt like, is like you were just experimenting with different melodies and shit, like the way you would be in the studio.


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[Assistant] You just always had in your soul, you were a baby who was like, sorta had bars.


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[Assistant] Being humble cool again. Really? Yea. You consider yourself humble? Yea. Can't be humble in the jungle though. Can't be humble in the jungle cause you know you had to struggle.


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[Assistant] My mom was just like, you're not gonna start rapping, right? And I was like, nah. No way.


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[Assistant] I have a little, I have a label situation. A little low-key label situation. I got some artists in the pipeline.


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[Assistant] Too big? Yeaah. The Drake- Drake verses on the way?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's how I always think of it is like, listen, if you go and pay for a verse from somebody that, if yours, if you're confident in your music, then you should believe that you're going to be able to make that money back from that piece of work. Yeah. So, fuck a free beat.


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[Assistant] Like if you pay for a Gucci Mane verse and people still don't care about your song, then that's a pretty good piece of evidence that you're not that good.


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[Assistant] Facts. Uhm, how'd you feel about any hate that you might have got from that freestyle? Was there much of that?


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[Assistant] They need to have more skateboarding classes, like gym class should just skate class, like learn to do a kickflip day.


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[Assistant] You were showing me some videos. You had some crazy dunk.


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[Assistant] You were obsessed with basketball your whole childhood? When did, when were you super good? Were you on like the high school team and all that shit?


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[Assistant] That's very wise. A lot of people don't, don't understand the value of that. Can we go back to, uh, you mentioned earlier and said that you, uh, got shot by the cops?


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[Assistant] Really? Nah. So they can just shoot you and it's just whatever, huh? I wouldn't even know. That's fucked.


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[Assistant] Did they immediately figure out that you weren't who they were attempting to apprehend? I don't know. Really? You just woke up in the hospital or?


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[Assistant] But what, so people got the wrong idea? People thought that you were sort of using that as a way to act hard or whatever? Is that what you're telling me?


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[Assistant] Well it's weird how anything that's bad that happens to you, I don't know if you saw this video, there's a viral video of this kid who ran in here and tried to put a gun in my face.


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[Assistant] And like, you know, nothing bad happened, because he didn't shoot me, and we beat the fuck out of him, and he had to go to the hospital, he's still in jail. But it's like, the fact that something really bad almost happened to me, all of a sudden I'm on the news, I'm on Inside Edition, I'm getting all these followers and everything.


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[Assistant] It's like, it's weird when something like real bad happens, there's usually a pretty clear silver lining on it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I had to take that advantage. I'm like, alright, I'm going on all these people's podcasts to talk about this bad thing that just happened to me.


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[Assistant] That's part of being a rapper these days is knowing how to sort of, how to game the media.


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[Assistant] Right. No, I'm not saying bad things about all face tattoos, but sometimes you see some 17 year old kid and he got his old face covered up and it's just so obvious that he's just trying to be a meme and it's just like, holy fuck, how the fuck did we end up here?


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[Assistant] You put a lot of your pain into your music.


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[Assistant] It's interesting though because I feel like anybody who really knows about rap was able to see the talent in that performance. Like even though it was kind of spastic and all over the place, that there was a lot of people watching it who were like, yo, that shit was sick as fuck. Even though like a lot of people were looking at it from like a meme context. That's why it was brilliant. It's cause a lot of people were able to look at it as just funny.


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[Assistant] Then people who were like, real pay attention were like, able to identify like, woah, he's really, he's doing his thing.


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[Assistant] Hmm, you know who Chrissy Teigen is? Yea. She's one that stood out to me that she was tweeting about how she watched it 20 times or some shit. Yea. That's what she said, she watched it 20 times. She's like, this keeps getting crazier.


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[Assistant] Dame Dash is definitely worth learning about, even if at some point you also have to learn, like, damn, Dame Dash is a little aggressive. Dame Dash is a little wild, bro, like, I fuck with him, but he's, you know.


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[Assistant] Game Dash is good for that in terms of just being bold and just not being afraid to just tell somebody what the fuck is up. He does not give a shit.


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[Assistant] Anybody else you look up to? I notice a lot. A lot of people definitely could see the lyrical influence from Young Thug. Is that accurate?


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[Assistant] If you hit somebody up, if somebody's talking shit and you hit them up, and they're like, man, if you just show love, then it's like, chances are that they're gonna have to find it in their heart to show love back.


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[Assistant] Shit. It's a fact. Big facts. But getting on WorldStar or whatever is a good entry point towards getting people on your platform.


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[Assistant] Have you been doing all the label meetings since the freestyle took off or were you doing label meetings before that or what's your thought process on that?


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, they're happy when you're smart, I think, because they want you to be able to, uh, you know, sorta...


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[Assistant] Spark marketing plans, like if you can make yourself go viral, that's great because a lot of these labels are basically just their entire job is trying to make people go viral that are not inherently going to go viral.


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[Assistant] Skin orgasm. Yeaah. So what, like you hear music and it just like makes your skin stand up, you have an orgasm in your skin?


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[Assistant] Like nails on a chalkboard type thing? That'll give it to you too.


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[Assistant] Trying to find my way to Wakanda. Ooh. Mmm. Slowly.


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[Assistant] If you meet people and you're educated about who they are, that's actually, that is a big problem that stresses me out about where I'm at in life, is that there's a million motherfuckers that know about me and I haven't had the time to research them and I wanna like meet people and know about them and shit, but like something like going to Roland Loud,


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[Assistant] A lot of them are and sometimes that can be offensive and I want to be respectful of everybody. I want to be a good student of the culture and be on top of everything. It's challenging though.


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[Assistant] That's what I like about doing podcasts is that it's like the idea that you could just interview enough people. Every time you do an interview, you're just increasing your network. I just had the Danny Lay girl here. Boom.


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[Assistant] Oh shit. Alright, I'll write the book. Thought about writing a book. You thinking about writing a book?


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[Assistant] You've certainly harnessed that though. You've got that childlike creativity still intact, don't you think? I gotta keep that mindset.


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[Assistant] Gauging the scenario. If I can write that down. You're gonna write that down? Internal mood rank? That might be actually, that might be the name of my next album.


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[Assistant] No, but I mean, that is, you know, life is all about intuition and experience and having been through scenarios enough times that you can identify the patterns that are going on. Like, you know, so, like, I feel like given where I'm at and how much experience I have, it's very easy for me to meet somebody who's a con artist or a bullshitter and to know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, off the rip. You don't have that when you're young. It's hard. You have to develop that by meeting a lot of people and realizing who's a bullshitter and who's legit and going through so many experiences. It's like, there's stuff that seems so obvious to me right now that a year ago I had no clue about. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Definitely not. Definitely not. Nah, of course, you're always growing, you're always changing. Hopefully in six years you don't have the same mentality you have right now.


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[Assistant] People don't want you to stay the same. People, if you, if you, let's say like your music career gets super poppin', all of a sudden you're, you're killin' it. The problem with being a popular recording artist is that you then have to fuckin', also keep developing. People won't like you if you keep doing the same thing over and over. Even Beyonce, you know, she just puts out the same album two times in a row.


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[Assistant] It's gonna be bad for her. The fans are gonna turn on her. She has to develop every fucking chapter of the way and she's one of the most beloved artists in the world, you know?


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[Assistant] No, but that's interesting. I mean, but there is an extent to that. It's like every Kanye project has been like radically different than the one before it and that's what's been able to keep him.


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[Assistant] I mean you went viral in a way where you just sort of put your skills on display. The easy way to go viral in my opinion is like starting some fake drama.


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[Assistant] No, that makes sense for sure. Just cause he's like, you know, a really, really strong role model for just anyone who wants to do th- do their thing independently, music-wise.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's a weird benefit to dying young, let's be real, because then you get a chance to be like immortalized in your prime form, you know? There's a reason why Pac and Big E are so legendaries, because we never got to see him be a 50 year old dude joking around on Instagram.


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[Assistant] But you're smart that you're able to appreciate it because I feel like a lot of young kids, they-


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[Assistant] Don't really have like the ability to like look outside of themselves and realize, like listen to something from 1995 and realize like, oh, okay, that's why this was dope because this was new and different and this wasn't happening at the time. You know, like if you're a stupid person, you listen to a big L and you're like, oh, well, this just sounds like,


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[Assistant] He was talking shit. He was talking a whole lot of shit. He was saying crazy cocky confident shit that like, you know, I had never heard anything like it when I first heard it when I was young, you know?


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[Assistant] Yeah, re-appropriated for a new generation in a different way, you know? In a different way, yes. Yes. That's perfect.


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[Assistant] Yeah. I feel like that's, that's, that's the key is like being able to look outside of yourself and take influences from


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[Assistant] Different places, because you know what's the worst is when you hear somebody rap and they have a bar that's like


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[Assistant] Blah, blah, blah, like, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, the, and then the first blah, blah, blah is like the name of a popular song, and then the second blah, blah, blah is the name of the artist who made that song, but it's like a recent song. It's like, no, you're not allowed to just say, I'm dri- like, I'm drippin' like gonna.


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[Assistant] No, not allowed. You can't just say the name of a fucking, like, an artist and then like the thing he always says. That's the most boring thing you possibly do. You gotta think of something funny.


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[Assistant] Definitely. Watch me work. Watch me nae nae.


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[Assistant] Dude, alright. I appreciate you coming on the show and shit. It's been very, very informative to get to figure out what you got going on. You're a very, you're a very smart guy. Very bright mind. Thank you. Appreciate that. I got high hopes for you. I believe in you. I must be in a good mood today because I was telling Danny Lay the same thing. But I fuck with her. She's cool as shit. Oh yeah, yeah.


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[Assistant] I believe in her. I believe in you. I believe in all of you. Everybody watching this out there, I believe in you.


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[Assistant] Do you believe in them? Yes. Cool. That's good to know.


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[Assistant] I gotta go eat a dinner with Tee Grizzly for this new show that he's doing.


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[Assistant] It's called like Dinner with Grizzly. Dinner with Gri- You sit there and you eat food with him and like I guess he has like Instagram models bringing you food.


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[Assistant] Oh, their ass, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, good point, yeah. I just don't want to eat T. Gersley's ass, that's disturbing.


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[Assistant] Definitely. That's a fact. That's a good example, man. He's such a big hit right there. It's kinda like, where do you, it's hard to live up to the next shit after that. He had a run of massive songs.


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[Assistant] I feel like talent, like if you have the talent, then it's like whatever. Even if you're not popping at that moment, if you really have the talent. If your hype is all image based, then it's gonna be hard to get the hype back. But if you're just good musically, then you always have a path.


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[Assistant] Well hey, anybody that makes a song called On Some Shit, we're probably gonna have to.


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[Assistant] Alright, Haiti Baby, uh, you got anything big planned coming out soon? Anything crazy in the works?


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[Assistant] That's a fact. Appreciate you man. Appreciate you too man. Thank you for coming on. Very excited to see what's to come. No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. Check us out on YouTube, Soundcloud, iTunes.


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[Assistant] Ayyy. What? Yeah. That's big for the city. Alright, Stockton, book me. Peace!


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[Assistant] You don't understand. He's different. It's worse. The fuck are you talking about?


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[Assistant] It's okay, Beck. Just get some rest. If he wanted to do something to me, he'd have done it already. I'll be fine. Let's see what he wants.


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[Assistant] I ain't fit to move, kid. I've run out of road.


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[Assistant] You know, it's just been incredible. I swear when we won, it was like my whole artistic journey flashed before my eyes and I instantly saw myself sitting.


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[Assistant] on my stoop of my studio apartment in New York City on the concrete with my keyboard next to me trying to figure out how I was going to lug my keyboard again up my walk up and you know it's just it's incredible you know


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[Assistant] This, the movie, A Star is Born, it's a love story. We worked so hard, we worked all week on that performance. Bradley, who, you know, I like never relinquish control about a live stage performance, and I've done a million of them, but you know, he directed this film, and he directed all of, you know, obviously the musical moments in the film.


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[Assistant] And he directed, obviously, Shallow, the moment in the film, so I knew that he had the vision for how it should go.


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[Assistant] And so I was like, you know, what do you, what do you think Bradley? And he gave me, he laid it all out. I mean everything that you saw, the way that it was shot, the way that they pushed the piano out, you saw them, you know, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, put the piano together and, and, uh, uh, walk up on stage, no intro, all of it. That was all him and he even also,


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[Assistant] And you know, and you know, it was just great. And from a performance perspective, it was so important to both of us that we were connected the entire time. I mean, look, I've had my arms wrapped around Tony Bennett for three years touring the world. I mean, when you're singing love songs, that's what you want people to feel.


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[Assistant] Well, I didn't add it, Bradley added it. Bradley added it, right. But it's, uh, 12 minutes of additional footage. It's a Star is Born encore, uh, and he did it because he was working on the version of the film for, you know, home, for when you guys, you know, buy it off the internet.


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[Assistant] Actually when I was, so I had a job since I was like 14 years old, uh, because I wanted more money than my allowance.


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[Assistant] And my, my mom and dad used to go to the bar and they'd be with their friends who were like writers and artists and you know, sometimes you know, no one would be coming in the restaurant and I'd be standing there just with nothing to do and I would just go, I'd like to thank the academy for this tremendous honor.


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[Assistant] Trump has told me multiple times that he actually loves to fight. In Bannon, he saw someone who was just like him. Someone who loved to fight.


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[Assistant] That was in the eyes of Bannon the way to rupture the establishment.


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[Assistant] They knew it was going to be disruptive. They wanted the disruption. Bannon sees disruption as power.


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[Assistant] They knew that the protest would come. They knew the media would erupt. It's what they wanted.


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[Assistant] To really understand Steve Bannon, you just need to think about Richmond, where he grew up. He grew up in a working class household in Richmond, Virginia, and he thinks his whole worldview comes back to his experience.


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[Assistant] He really has the persona of a college professor. He's constantly carrying around books. He's talking about different philosopher he reads. When you sit down with Steve Bannon, it's really sitting down for two or three hours.


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[Assistant] We're sitting there in 2011 in Pella, Iowa, and he says, Costa, one day someone like Sarah Palin, perhaps even in 2012, is going to be President of the United States.


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[Assistant] I said, what are you talking about, Steve? How could Sarah Palin become president?


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[Assistant] Bannon was disappointed Palin didn't run. Bannon saw it then, he was just ahead of his time. It wasn't gonna be Palin, and it wasn't gonna be 2012. But populism, the populism he saw then, it was on the rise.


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[Assistant] You go into the Breitbart embassy and it's 25 year old after 27 year old after 25 year old and 30 year old talking with Bannon, talking about history, reveling that they're the outsiders and pointing fingers at the insiders as clowns or as fools who don't get it, who don't understand the populism that's really on the rise in the country.


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[Assistant] I've never heard Steve Bannon say racist things, but that doesn't mean Breitbart hasn't encouraged some of these racist elements within the Republican Party. As much as Bannon says himself that he has never embraced these people,


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[Assistant] Breitbart, in some respects, has given these people a voice, has normalized elements of the conservative right.


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[Assistant] Miller was there with sessions day in, day out.


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[Assistant] When I first started covering Trump at the start of his campaign, he was a candidate of gut instincts. It wasn't until Bannon came on in August of 2016 that you really saw Trump working with Sessions and Bannon start to put policy


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[Assistant] To his gut instincts. But by the end of his campaign, he had, in many respects, adopted Bannonism.


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[Assistant] Bannon has these whiteboards in his office. He calls it his war room inside of the White House. Promises that Trump made, promises they want to make sure that Trump keeps.


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[Assistant] Bannon made himself vulnerable in that moment. A lot of Bannon's rivals inside of the White House were watching Bannon very closely at CPAC.


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[Assistant] By going to CPAC, by stepping out, he became even more of a political celebrity. And know who was paying close attention to that? President Trump.


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[Assistant] What rattled Bannon was that the so-called globalists, the financial types from New York who were close with Jared Kushner, were moving the administration in a more mainstream Republican direction.


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[Assistant] Bannon sees an amazing and probably last in his lifetime opportunity to really have his worldview come to the fore in American politics.


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[Assistant] He wants to see this out as much as he can to see what can actually be accomplished with a populist president.


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[Assistant] Dude, you better go up and see Bill. He doesn't like to wait.


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[Assistant] What is he, 30 now? If he ain't got it by now, I don't think it's happening. 29 with his COVID year is according to him. It ain't happening. You gotta at least start getting like specks of hair like early 20s.


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[Assistant] You know what? She's been more open as of lately. She was like, when you get older, like, I can see you just rocking just the gold team. Right, right, right.


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[Assistant] I had one, listen, I caught one in my mustache last year. That was bad, wasn't it?


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah. Something about a great, we talking about great hair. So I seen a great hair on my mustache last year and I thought I was going through my midlife crisis, you know, cause it was like, when you see that first one, it's like, do I pluck it or do I just let it ride? You know?


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[Assistant] Listen, listen, listen. I was waiting to turn 40. 40 was screwed. My entire, my entire life I never really thought that. Before I got married and had kids, I told myself about 20, about 25 I want to check out.


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[Assistant] And then they coming back and that's where the fans can start coming to.


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[Assistant] I should've win. You think they would've let me go?


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[Assistant] I don't know, I can't read, so I would. I gotta get in on audio.


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[Assistant] Is Nick Chubb the exception to you can't pay a running back? I'm gonna say no, he's not, uhm, because of the fact that


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[Assistant] I think that guys that are exceptions are the guys that do more than just run the football. I think those are the pass catchers, the Christian McCaffrey's, the Aaron Jones's, the, uh,


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[Assistant] It's another guy I'm missing. Kamara. Kamara. You gotta have guys like those. You gotta be able to do one thing. Now the reason that...


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[Assistant] That Nick Chubb's contract looks so good right now and it's worth so much is cause the Browns, the organization, the Cleveland Browns do a great job of protecting him. See the problem with why these running backs are flaming out so fast is because like you think of a Zeke, you think of Zeke Elliott, you think of a Derrick Henry.


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[Assistant] These guys were the offense. Like they literally was getting the ball 30, 40 times a game. And that was for, for years, for years. And now they get to four or five years in, their bodies have taken that beating.


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[Assistant] Well, the Cleveland Browns are doing the smart thing where we complain about Nick Chubb not getting the ball 20 times a game, but they are trying to extend Nick Chubb's career and try to have him.


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[Assistant] If he actually is, Nick Chubb is actually that fourth quarter, second half guy and he's really being successful, really helping them win games. You have to leave it at that because he's a huge part.


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[Assistant] No, you can't. There's no way you can ask somebody to do that. That's like, that was like when the Mario Cooper, when they needed money. I was like, you can't ask some Mario Cooper to take no pictures. Okay, okay.


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[Assistant] The thing is, if he's literally going to be the second half guy, which I don't think, he will be a huge part. If they got the league, he will be a huge part of that. Yes.


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[Assistant] It was, they tried to throw the ball a lot last year, so, and he still was able to get that done, so I think with it better, with guys healthier, it ain't too hard for him to hit that same number again, even though you know that you're going to be in more formations with


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[Assistant] 11 personnel, so now you got one less linebacker in the box. It's not crazy or asinine to think that he could get those numbers again. If the box is lighter because of another receiver, if Elijah Moore is out there, there's no way, and he's lined up in the backfield, like there's no way that you gonna put a linebacker on him. And so now you got 200 linebackers to beat.


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[Assistant] He ain't gonna say anything. He gonna go in there and they gonna say, Nick, we need you to take a pay cut. He ain't gonna say nothing to God.


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[Assistant] What is the cut? What's the pay cut? If he's slotted to make 16 million, how much of that 16 are you cut?


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[Assistant] Just give me some numbers. Give me some questionable numbers where it's on the fence. 1500 yards.


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[Assistant] Cause it could be just a fad, you know, like when trading your number one wide receiver, like that was the thing to do for the past couple of years. We'll just get another one in the draft. We'll get a rookie one in the draft. And you see...


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[Assistant] It's fine. Exactly. So it's like, are we really about to get rid of a Hall of Fame running back because right now the scenario is that running backs are not valuable. Well, I don't believe it. That's true because last year we seen games where Saquon Barkley single-handedly won games. We seen games where Nick Chubb was single-handedly trying to win games.


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[Assistant] If Tennessee was to trade Derrick Henry, like.


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[Assistant] Concrete piece of office that you know, if Deshaun Watson is either good or bad, one thing we know, as the sun comes up tomorrow, Nick Chubb is going to be great. Yep. So you want to get rid of that one piece? Like that you guarantee?


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[Assistant] What's the highest paid? CMC is the highest. What'd he get? 20? A year?


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[Assistant] Let him go to Kansas City. This is what, so the, the thing is this, if they were to move off of Nicho, and Kansas City gets


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[Assistant] Unless you like Bijan Robinson or the Gibbs kid that went to Detroit.


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[Assistant] You're still gonna get a good runner back in the second round, late first round, second round. You about to get the top guy.


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[Assistant] Nah, I'm not saying, is it, is it Nick Chuh?


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[Assistant] Is it the offensive line? Because in the same breath.


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[Assistant] They won't use him in Buffalo right. Are you serious? They wouldn't use him right. Hey, by the way- If he wanna be really successful, he need to go to...


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[Assistant] Philly, or he need to go to where that, the OC from Philly, the Colts, where he ain't gonna go there cause they got Jonathan Taylor.


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[Assistant] Well Jason is all for it. He doesn't care. You know why? Because he says that Deshaun Watson, if that office is rolling and Deshaun Watson, they slinging the ball anyway. So Nick Chubb will have to get 21 points by himself.


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[Assistant] Give it to the runner, man. It's a shame. It's a shame. Anyways, I need to know, what are you seeing out there with the Browns right now? Give me somebody that's standing out, cause I seen some clips yesterday that was very alarming defensively, but tell me what you see.


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[Assistant] So that first, the Hall of Fame game, which is next Thursday, I believe, cause I gotta be a cleaver, uhm, out of the rookie class, out of the guys that, you know, the drafted guys and the undrafted guys, you know, we'll see those guys pretty much the entire game or a lot of the game.


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[Assistant] Which one of those are you looking most forward to seeing who you think will be the best out of those groups?


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[Assistant] So you've been watching a little bit of defense and I know that Greg Newsome is operating the most in the nickel position, but has there been times where has Denzel had any reps in the nickel position? Has Martin Emerson had any? Because when I watched him in minicap, I seen Denzel taking a lot of


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[Assistant] All over to the side trying to get the nickel position down. So has he had any opportunities to be in there from what you've seen?


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[Assistant] So, I guess we'll call this some swag. Show the clip for it, Anthony. Just tell me, what do you think of this?


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[Assistant] The good news is that they trying to bring that swag. You know, you can see the effort, but that wasn't it. That one wasn't it.


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[Assistant] So you are saying that realistically, because I watched, let me just get right to it. I watched some film yesterday. I was watching the Eagles in 2017, you know, when they went to the Super Bowl. I so happened to watch when they played the Vikings in that, that, uh, AF, what is it, the NFC Championship game. And what I noticed in that was,


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[Assistant] The defense of tackles was like huge, you know. Obviously they got Fletcher Cox and all of that.


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[Assistant] How fixed is this defensive tackle position? Because we only really got Dalvin Tomlinson, uhm, was the big name. Obviously we got Mohers Tristan Hill. How sure are you that this is fixed? Because I see right now the starting tackles is Tomlinson and Jordan Elliott.


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[Assistant] So will they really be able to plug that run game up in the middle, or will it be a thing we see from last year?


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[Assistant] Well, I think that when you look at David Najoku, I mean, this is the guy who, you know, he does have injury issues. And I think once he, last year he was, before he got injured, he was trending to have a really good season.


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[Assistant] You know, just a season that he was having. He was productive. He was scoring in the red zone. He was making those plays. He was really big on those seven cuts as we seen in them clips that he's still wide open on them seven cuts, which.


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[Assistant] He's been in the league for like five years. If you don't know that David Njoku is running the seven cut, then you're sadly mistaken. But that's neither here nor there. I'm just a guy that's just on the outside looking in.


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[Assistant] You know, if David the Joke who does go down, there's not like, it's not like, oh my goodness, we can't run certain things anymore. He still is able to stretch the field a little bit. Not saying that he's a burner or anything like that. He just has the ability to get open and the guy can jump. The guy was a former basketball player. So when you get down into the red zone,


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[Assistant] And you know how they, how Kevin Stefanski is with these tight ends. He loves getting them involved, especially down in those red zones.


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[Assistant] He will be a logical option for you in the red zone to be able to score and make plays and still do the things that David Najoku could do if he wasn't available.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't think that's gonna happen, but 12, I can see definitely see 12 personnel. 12 personnel, one runner back, two tight ends.


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[Assistant] Trade candidate. Harrison Bryant will be a great trade candidate towards the end of preseason. Yeaah. Preseason. Yeaah. Cause he gonna go out there, they're praying that he's able to really make some plays and then boom, somebody's like we need a tight end, he'll be perfect.


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[Assistant] What the difference was, the difference between Marquise and Anthony is Marquise actually catches the ball. Right. So he actually is. Kind of important. A big part of it.


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[Assistant] The thing is, he was stretching field at that Olympic speed, like I told you. I, I went against Marquis, so I know from experience, like, it's serious. It's real when he out there. So, as a safety or as a, as a defender,


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[Assistant] You gotta be weary of where he's at. Like, where is Marquise at? Especially if he's lined up and he's on the ball. Oh, he going deep. That's what that tells me. So, yeaah, he's, he's definitely gonna be missing. They gotta find a way to get somebody going. Hopefully, you know, Anthony Schwartz got, been on the jugs this whole off season and you know, he's able to come in and catch.


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[Assistant] I did have a miscellaneous thing that I wanted to talk about. Okay. While we uh, since we was talking about tight ends. And it had to do with that clip. Show me that and the joke will catch again.


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[Assistant] So I'm watching, so yesterday, as I was telling you, I was watching the, I was on YouTube just watching Jim Swartz's defense, and you know, the defensive tackle thing really stuck out to me because


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[Assistant] He was basically saying that, you know, these defensive tackles have to be able to pretty much take on two, two blockers. You know, they gotta be lined up over one and they're going wherever the run is going. They have to reach the guard and keep the guard off of the linebacker.


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[Assistant] It's, it's Jim Swartz is coming in with a new voice, but it's still the same type of concepts that, that we just got rid of with uh, what's his name, what's my dude? Joe Woods. So it's literally about the same concepts, it's gonna be the same thing, so that's why I was, I was interested about the defensive tackle position, cause I'm like, if our defensive tackles don't


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[Assistant] Fix it. What they did last year did is still gonna be the same result. But that's neither, that has nothing to do with this seven cut. So the reason that the seven cut is important to me is because I challenge.


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[Assistant] You know, you can't really see him in this. You can't really see him, but he was the one buzzing. Yeah, so my thing is, as I was watching the clip, don't get me wrong, I don't got the whole formation and I can't see the whole thing. I can only see this little clip.


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[Assistant] And my thing is, if you're a buzz player and you see...


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[Assistant] You see two going up, like that's who you really gonna end up having anyway, so he gotta do a better job of getting to his landmarks, flipping his hip, and he gotta be able to put air under that ball. See, that is a dart that Deshaun is throwing right there, so there is no way that anybody, corner, or whoever it could be, make a play on this ball, because he's throwing him a dart.


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[Assistant] So, Grant Delpit, and this is, and the other clip, let me see the other clip too. The other clip, that, this one ain't fair because I don't know where this dude came from. I don't know if he did an over route.


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[Assistant] Or if he, if this was another seven cut, but if this was another seven cut, he got to figure it out. Cause, cause they don't feel it really is going to be a huge part of this defense. And obviously the seven cut is going to be the weakness cause you want to hollow your buzz player.


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[Assistant] So he's got to find a way to play everything from deep to short and he's got to be very effective. So Dale Pitt, baby, I, you, this is your contract here. You got to figure it out. You've been, you, there's two of them right there. Like I said, I don't know the whole thing of it, so I'm not going to judge you off of it.


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[Assistant] But what I will say is you got to be able to play that buzz better because you're going to get them seven cuts and them over routes, especially if y'all have covered three and y'all haven't covered three teams. So you got to find a way to play that technique better, play everything deep to short.


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[Assistant] Let him hit the flats, rally up, make the tackle and live to see another down. But if you give up them seven cuts for 12, 15 yard gains, now they getting down to feel crazy and you gonna, it's gonna look bad.


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[Assistant] And you gotta flip your hips when you get, cause they trying to hollow you. The defenders wanna, they gonna throw something behind you and they gonna throw the running back in the flats.


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[Assistant] And if you bite the flask, obviously they gonna hit behind you. So your job is to play everything deep to short.


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[Assistant] And right now, his hips just seem like it's not, he ain't, yeaah, he not flipping them hips good enough to get in that depth. You gotta get that depth to make them throw the underneath ball. You keep giving up that 7 cut, they gonna eat that all day long, especially if you're going up against some of these top tight ends in the league.


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[Assistant] But if ain't nobody get home. Oh yeah. Your secondary gotta be really good. Five seven nine four.


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[Assistant] And it's gonna, it's gonna be a huge test. The secondary gonna have to come to play. And don't get me wrong, the linebackers will too, because if they uncover three, you know, they're responsible for those hooks and some of them open routes as well. So you praying to God that them, that these, that their forward pressure get home. If it don't,


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[Assistant] That we said that these guys is talented, they got these first round picks, they got guys that's productive, but they gotta put the whole thing together if they want this defense to ride. It can't just be solely on the pass rush. Yes, that's a huge part of it. Yes, we're going to be rushing the passers with just four and these guys are really great with pass rushing moves.


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[Assistant] But at the end of the day, when the ball goes up in the air, it's up to the secondary to make the play.


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[Assistant] Three by one, when they come out and the running backs away, this is typically the route set that they run. This is the concept that they run. This is what I thought they was getting. When I watch film and they went up against our type of defense, I don't know who runs what we run, say the Saints ran this. They ran this against the Saints and this was the play that they ran on this third and long. I thought this is what we was getting.


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[Assistant] Well see, the only person that challenges is, well it's two people that challenges. Martin Emerson challenges and Denzel challenges.


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[Assistant] Gene New has been the one that's been kind of said, that's why he got no picks cause he ain't taking no chances. At some point you gotta, if you see it and you believe it, you gotta just go. And if you get it wrong, now that you got Juan Thornhill back there, this is the time to take a chance. If Juan, if you trust that Juan is a good tackler and gonna get something down, it's okay to roll the dice a couple of times.


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[Assistant] Listen, depending on what the, what the call is, cause Jim Schwartz on first and sec, first through, first through second down, he is a heavy cover one, cover three, which is same thing we've been running anyways, but third down, depending on the down and business, he runs a lot of cover too. I know this cause my boy Greg may have been played for Tennessee last year, you know, he obviously was there, so I got all the.


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[Assistant] Shout out to you, babe. Good luck, good luck to you at Camper Carolina because it's coming up soon. But anyways, so if it's, if it's a third, uh, cover three call, let's say that the receivers line up close and tight and it's cover three.


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[Assistant] I'm not really worried about any outward breaking route because that's what your buzz player is for. If he's lined up that close, your buzzer should be right there running through him, reroute, and he should be outside. So if they give you that, that, that bang out, you should be right there. If he runs a dig, your linebacker should be right there. So really, you just over the top of any deep thing.


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[Assistant] So I don't know why people be so nervous over these, uh, reduced splits.


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[Assistant] Nah, they, they, I don't mind, the coaching thing is, is that that is true. That, cause if you, your head coach get fired, you all get fired. So that's one. And two, a lot of these kids, they, they think they know everything and they don't really want to listen.


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[Assistant] And they don't let it game. Like if you're not gonna, if you're not gonna put in the proper time to watch tape, like if I'm gonna watch all this tape as a coach and I can tell you everything that's coming, but you don't take the time out to do what you say.


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[Assistant] I can't make the play for you. I can tell you what's coming, but I can't make you have that play. I can't teach you confidence either. Like if you believe in it, if you see it, go! Do it! It's there, trust me. It is exactly what you think it is. Just do it, and then boom, reward yourself.


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[Assistant] But a lot of people get timid out there. They don't want to get beat. So I'm not, I'm not going for all that. I'm not telling you to jump the route. I'm telling you if you know it, if you've seen it on film, it's probably what you think it is.


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[Assistant] We have some, we have some championships. We would have had Ray Lewis. We'd have had Ed Reed. Man, we'd have had the best defense known to man. Nah, I don't-


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[Assistant] Sure. But they ain't making the decision. Right.


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[Assistant] So the Indians got a new stadium. The Cavs got a new stadium. And they weren't even supposed to be in it. But the Browns get nothing.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm about to say he, President Dave, they trying to get a new stadium and they ain't going for it. And the mayor ain't moving. He said he ain't giving none of his public funding to y'all new stadium. Oh, you're talking President Dave. Yeah, President Dave.


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[Assistant] I just, oh, I just stopped their pilots. I just paid Deshaun Watson's contract.


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[Assistant] Got some gas at Pile, I was like, that's for Deshawn, that's for D-Wide.


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[Assistant] Makes sense. Which one? The one that involved- Avani Otani.


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[Assistant] But no, I think that, I think if the Guardians are trying to get something, there's only two spots that, to me, I think that they still need an outfielder that can hit because I know how we feel about Miles Straw and he's been, he's been, you know.


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[Assistant] But, so you, yeaah, so you can get somebody that can hit and produce some home runs later in that line up or.


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[Assistant] Our bullpen hasn't been that great this season either, so I wouldn't be opposed to them getting somebody that you can throw in there and getting that rotation as well because this bullpen went from being the strength of the team to questionable. I'm talking it up.


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[Assistant] Okay, okay, so not Shohei, alright, I understand that that's blasphemy. Manny Machado.


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[Assistant] And it's lit, it's right behind second bass, so it's like close. So I'm thinking, you know, the second bass man gonna get it, cause I'm deep in the outfield, alright. So I come up there and I'm flying.


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[Assistant] And I see three bodies, you know, coming in my peripheral. So I'm looking at the ball, I see the three bodies and ain't nobody saying that. So I'm like, well, I guess I got it.


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[Assistant] Where the ball was going to drop because I was just moving. You know, when you run 4-4, you know, you just can't just stop on a dime. So, yeah, see that? I ran past where the ball was going to be.


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[Assistant] So that's what happened there. But as far as the bat goes, so this is, this is what happened with the bat. So they had me batting like 10th, right? It was like 15 people in the thing. So I'm batting 10th.


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[Assistant] I've been hitting the weights. Albert Bale is who I was trying to be like. It just didn't go that way. You know?


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[Assistant] You know how? When you, when you make contact with the ball, with the baseball, right?


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[Assistant] You, I watched where it went and I was so defeated.


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[Assistant] But see, they work out every day. Look at it. That's Kurt Coleman or something. Look at that. Boom. And he had the leg kick. You outta here. And Cardell's off.


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[Assistant] Like, so everybody was bad. The final score was five. We finished cause they had like these, these minor leaguers come in and they was just hitting home runs and every home run counted to your total score. So like the score ended up being like 19 to 14 or something like that, 19, 15 or something like that.


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[Assistant] Cardell throws a charity softball game for the Buckeye Cruz for cancer. So it raises money for the James Cancer Research. It's been going on. That was year six. That was my third time playing in it. The first year I went yard. Last year,


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[Assistant] I didn't go yard, I went one for two and I got on base. This year, it just, it didn't go well. It was not your day. Yea, nah. And you know what? This is the sickest part about it and I hate this. So the next day, I'm sore after this. I wake up the next day.


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[Assistant] You know, my wife, y'all know, so y'all out there as Mary, y'all know that y'all significant other is y'all biggest hater, right? So my wife was like,


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[Assistant] But this is the worst part about it. It wasn't the fact that I missed the fly ball. It wasn't the fact that I went 0 for 1 for the plate. The worst part about all of this


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[Assistant] Is I didn't care and that that tells a lot about because me being the competitive person I am, it said it speaks volumes when I didn't even care. I don't care.


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[Assistant] I don't even care. It's sad. I don't even know who I am because I should really feel. It would have been a point in my life where if this would have happened to me, I would have told them to hit me 20 fly balls after this game. I would have stood at that plate and took a hundred swings, but I didn't care. Gee, it's a shame. I ain't even 30 yet and I don't care.


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[Assistant] That's because it's innate to our genes. But people be out there surfing and all kind of stuff. Not us.


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[Assistant] Is that the name of the movie? I don't even know what that is. They get in the cage and they drop down and then the shark, the shark get in like bangs the cage and knocks it open.


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[Assistant] And, uh, Steve, uh, we tried to negotiate his weekend rate is way too high. Uh, we had to, uh, we had to renegotiate and say we can't do that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, when I looked at it the first- when I looked at it the first, the thing that I looked at was, I should say, look, hey,


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[Assistant] I like the offensive line. I think that you know what you're going to get from them. And so if you want the safest, you say offensive line, right? Because, you know, you got all pros up there. Joe Botonio has been great for a long period of time. Ethan Poachers was rated as one of the top, I guess, five centers once he got to playing. I even liked, uh, uh, DeJuan Jones.


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[Assistant] Uhm, because he's a guy that I think is going to eventually take over for Jedrick Wills, who I think is the weak spot on that line. However, there is, I did not have them at the first, uh, slot.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and the reason I didn't have them at a slot, at that number one position, uhm, was


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[Assistant] Looking at other groups. And when she wants you to split defensive ends apart.


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[Assistant] I had to go with the ends. Miles Garrett obviously is rated the best defensive end in the league.


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[Assistant] You get a Zedaria Smith who is an elite pass rusher in his own right.


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[Assistant] Who's done it at a high level with the Vikings. He's done it at a high level with the Packers.


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[Assistant] He's versatile. He can get after quarterback. He's the best running defender. Uhm, I believe that they've had at that position.


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[Assistant] This dude, listen, he out here, he's a guy who, just think, when they sign him, we thought it was a rap. We were like, oh yeaah, we'll take him. And then they went and got the Zedaria Smith. And now you get to use those guys in one package.


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[Assistant] I even like some of the deaf they got. You know, they got the, the Maguire kid from uh, Missouri.


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[Assistant] Alex Wright still on the team. Isaiah Thomas showed you something of, you know, last year a little bit, uh, uh, at a time. So.


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[Assistant] They got some guys, pieces and parts. They can move in there. I like the defensive end room. Uhm, and I think anytime you have Miles Garrett, who is probably the best defensive lineman or defensive end in the league, you gotta go with that as far as your position rankings go.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I would agree with y'all if not for one thing.


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[Assistant] My only problem with the defensive backs is to take the turnovers.


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[Assistant] I want to see more takeaways. Now takeaways and interceptions.


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[Assistant] Are not just strictly a function of the defensive back.


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[Assistant] It all depends on what coverage you're in. Uhm, it also depends on, you know, who you're guarding and where you get certain targets. If you're getting targeted or you get picked on a little bit. So, you know, sometimes, you know, deflections are just as good as interceptions, but I do want to see more takeaways.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and that means more aggressive play. Uhm, if we can get the front seven going, and we can get the sack total we think we can get, and then you still can get guys that are, you know, need to see Greg Newsome get his first interception. I would like to see Martin Emerson. He had a tremendous play in the preseason.


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[Assistant] Uh, Jacksonville first played it, and I think he got the, he got the starting job just off that. It was like, oh, whoa, who's this? We like you, you got ball skills. Uhm, but I would have to go back, my number two.