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[Assistant] Uh, someone sent me this in an email. Is it worth discussing? Cause I don't think it is, but I'd throw it out there. Is it worth discussing that this could be a organizational problem with all these injuries or it's, you know, in other words, strength and conditioning? Put that on the list for tomorrow.


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[Assistant] That's a gov. You know, I knew Jason wasn't a schmoozer because he, like me, hates most media members.


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[Assistant] Nah, not really. My son has a friend named Burke. Very nice kid, very nice family.


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[Assistant] They're away, they're actually in California, they're a very nice family. And this kid eats, all he does is eat healthy food. He eats vegetables, he eats, I'm like, he won't even eat like pizza and chicken nuggets, he's the opposite. Wow. That is crazy. This kid, I mean, you know, they did something right, but you know, it's hard getting kids to eat healthy food.


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[Assistant] That's right. The most shocking thing from last night's game was that Kyrie was out with an injury. I mean, who could have possibly predicted that?


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[Assistant] House Kyrie, yeaah. But what's funny is, I love, when they were here, I liked Kyrie way more than I liked Baker.


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[Assistant] Well, I hate the way, I, first of all, he's anti-Semitic, so that, that puts him on my hate list. Uh, and then just the way he left here was, was, you know, he just acts like


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[Assistant] No, uh, no, Trevor Bauer. Oh, okay. Well, I hope he does not get a job in Major League Baseball and hasn't until this point. Yeaah, I don't think he will now. Bauer's up there. I don't really, you know. Is that your Mount Rushmore patron? No, Baker is not. Baker, Kyrie, Bauer. Baker's not in that cat, cat. I don't hate him that way. Really?


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[Assistant] I think they're, they're bad guys. I don't think Baker's a bad guy.


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[Assistant] I thought he'd be a serviceable player. I was just like, well, you need somebody better than serviceable. He's a good quarterback. He's not... He's fine. He's fine. And this year he's playing even better than I thought he would've.


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[Assistant] But, uh, you know, he's playing in a bad division, but kudos to him. I mean, he's having a solid year. I'm not going to, I'm not going to crap on him. All right, but yeah, we will get to the Cavs in overtime and they're a good win, but a lot to get to today. We'll start on the injury front, but first we go to Anthony on the other side of the glass.


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[Assistant] Guys, we mentioned it briefly yesterday. It's been 21 years since the Browns have clinched a playoff game at home. They obviously haven't, uh, haven't played a playoff game.


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[Assistant] You know, at home and forever, but we're looking to, you know, this year, they're probably going to play on the road. It's still possible, depending on what happens these last couple of weeks. And even if they end up as the five seed, depending on how the playoffs play out, they could end up at home anyway. Like, especially if, let's say the Bills are the sixth seed, okay? Uh, if the Bills end up the sixth seed,


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[Assistant] It's not crazy that we could see a Bills Browns AFC Championship game, and if that happened, it would be in Cleveland. That'd be awesome. Wow.


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[Assistant] I mean think about it, let's say the Browns finishes the 5 and the Bills finishes the 6.


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[Assistant] So that means the Browns would play the Jaguars, we'll say the Jaguars. The winner of the AFC South. The AFC South winner in the first round. And then the Bills would probably, if the Bills were the six, that means they lost to the Dolphins or the Dolphins beat the Ravens, which means probably the Chiefs of the 3C. They could beat the Chiefs. Right now, I don't think anybody would be stunned if the Chiefs...


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[Assistant] Uh, the Dolphins beat whoever's the seven seed. Let's go into that. So now...


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[Assistant] The bills would play the ravens. No, the second round. Bills would play the ravens.


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[Assistant] And the Browns would play the Dolphins. Would anybody be shocked if the Bills beat the Ravens and the Browns beat the Dolphins? I'm not saying it's, it's, they're the favorite. I'm saying neither would be a shocking thing. So then it would be AFC championship, Bills and Browns. That's how we get there. In Cleveland. In Cleveland. That's now what I'm hoping. That's now what I'm hoping for.


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[Assistant] Well, what you're really hoping is that somehow whoever the seventh seed is, that that team gets to the FC Championship. Because you'd rather play that team, even though they've had two nice wins, you'd rather play that team than the Bills, but still. I do want to see a Cleveland Detroit Super Bowl. In a perfect world.


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[Assistant] I think the Browns have a better chance to get the Super Bowl than the Lions. I agree too, 100%.


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[Assistant] I think both teams are close in terms of how good they are. I think the AFC is...


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[Assistant] That's true. Although Jared Goff has gotten to a Super Bowl. He has. He has. And he's playing pretty well overall.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's talk about the injuries for tonight's game, guys. Uh, obviously we know that Dustin Hopkins is not to play, is not going to play. He's already been ruled out.


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[Assistant] Cory Bohorquez has been, uh, as listed as doubtful.


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[Assistant] More than likely. When a guy is doubtfully almost never plays. It happens once in a blue moon. I can't imagine. There's really no reason to putter anyway. There's no need. What are you going to play him? Okay, so he's probably out. Now, we already knew those or...


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[Assistant] We assumed both those guys would be out, it is, so at this point it's not a big deal. But!


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[Assistant] Amari Cooper now, dealing with the, he was out of practice earlier in the week and it said it was non-football related. But in the last 24 hours, come out, he has a heel injury, the latest injury for him. And Tom Pelicero this morning,


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[Assistant] I think they can win without him too. I think, obviously I don't like their chances as much without him because as you said, I mean he's their only real threat at wide receiver obviously.


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[Assistant] Without him, your best threat is now the tight end, and obviously David Najoku. The Jets' defense is good, but they're obviously, they're often, I, I, I still think the Browns have way better defense than the Jets do.


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[Assistant] I don't know, the Jets aren't that good up front. I know Quentin Williams is really good. The rest of their front seven is fine, but it's not, you know, their secondary is their strength. Their corners in particular are really good.


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[Assistant] So, uh, yeaah, I mean it makes a big difference because Amari Cooper, I don't care who's defending Amari Cooper, he's gonna make his plays most games. He's gonna get open and a guy like Joe Flacco's gonna find him. Uh, but it, you know, whether Amari Cooper plays or not doesn't change the fact that the Jets have one of, if not the most inept offense in all of the league.


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[Assistant] If you project those numbers over a full season, I mean, that's- Best in the league. That's, uh, what, 200 catches? No, no. Four- You said he had 25 catches. Yes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, it's pretty ridiculous. In the end, I think we're probably all in agreement. I'll be surprised if Amari Cooper doesn't play tonight.


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[Assistant] In the end though, I'd be surprised if Amari doesn't play. I would too. I would too. Right? I mean, I expect him to go tonight. By the way, I was just thinking how this could be the shortest panel we've ever had on the show.


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[Assistant] And you wonder if because, you know, you're not really worried about the Jets offense. No. And you'd like to get Thornhill completely healthy for the playoffs. You wonder if they decide to hold them out.


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[Assistant] And Breece Hall's been really good at that in recent weeks. That's, that's really the biggest concern. But I'm sure


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[Assistant] That Jim Schwartz has been harping on that all this week.


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[Assistant] Right, if he's stro- if he's strolling all dump off passes, which is basically what he's doing, I mean, Schwartz will have a game plan figured out for that, you would think.


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[Assistant] And he's seeing what everybody's seeing, that he's thrown a ball a lot to Brice Hall out of the backfield. And that's where he's piled up a lot. You know, yesterday I was like, oh, he seems like he's playing great. I was surprised at his yards per carry. Well, part of the reason I thought that is because he's put up huge receiving numbers in recent weeks. And obviously that's not part of his yards per carry.


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[Assistant] Their secondary is atrocious. So if Syb, yea, if Syb can't throw it downfield against Washington, the worst defensive football, what's he going to do against the best defensive football?


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[Assistant] Couple other injuries worth talking about as well. Anthony Walker is out again this week. Is he missed two or three games in a row?


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[Assistant] Second? I think it's a second. He didn't play, Takitaki filled in great last week for him. He did.


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[Assistant] Uh, it doesn't seem like, uh, obviously it's not a season-ending injury or they would have put them on IR. I wonder if, like I mentioned with Thornhill, I wonder if at this point they're kind of saying, we'll see you in the playoffs when it comes to Anthony Walker. Probably. You know?


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[Assistant] At this point, you have to be thinking about that a little bit. I mean, I don't know until you clinch, but. No, you have to. You have to be thinking about it a little bit. And Marquise Goodwin also questionable for this game. He had the big completion two weeks ago. I don't think it was even targeted this week. I can't remember. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I mean, you know, they just put DTR on IR. Couldn't he come back if they were in the AFC Championship game?


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[Assistant] Right, but maybe they thought he'd be back even sooner. I guess, you know, a possibility there. So as, listen, as has been the case all season long, the Browns have dealt with injuries that I don't think they've gone a single week without somebody of at least some importance dealing with injury.


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[Assistant] And that's why, obviously, you know, you said, well, you know,


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[Assistant] Hopefully they can rest their players. We don't have this on the run down, we'll get to the Joe Flacco thing in just a minute.


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[Assistant] We have to see how it plays out, but, uh, you were, you were saying you thought that they should rest players even if they... No, here's the thing.


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[Assistant] It's not impossible. Yea. It's not even maybe. Well the final week of the season there will be three games that have to go their way. Right. I'm sorry, only two to win a division, three to be the one seed.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because essentially they'll probably not end up getting it anyway. Right. So better if you're not going to win the division to have it locked up by the


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[Assistant] I don't think they were the one. I don't know. Anyway, Anthony, see if you can look it up who were the one seeds last year and the year before. The bottom line is Joe Flacco's a veteran.


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[Assistant] Give every, if they clinch it and the Ravens win, that's it. The Brow's are locked into the five seat. There's nowhere they can go if that happens. So, the Brow's at this point, if they win against the Jets.


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[Assistant] Can only be the one, the two, or the five. That's the only three spots they can finish. And... That's a pretty good spot to begin. It is.


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[Assistant] I still think the Browns would win, but there's a huge difference. They're not going to kick the crap out of Texans with CJ Trout. They could win, but I don't think they're going to kill him like they killed the Texans already.


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[Assistant] Is that why they lost? How the hell did the Titans get the number one seed? My point- Because that division stinks.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, if Aaron, did, you know, I don't know. Maybe they sat for two weeks. Maybe that was a problem.


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[Assistant] This is great. NFL playoffs. It doesn't matter.


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[Assistant] No. It doesn't. I'm looking it up right now. Divisional playoffs. Bengals beat the Titans.


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[Assistant] Then you gotta play. Yea, then you gotta play, so. Because there are scenarios, like the, the brows are 99% of the players.


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[Assistant] We gotta stop saying we're on TV tomorrow. We're on TV every day. Okay? Tomorrow, we're on linear TV.


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[Assistant] But we are always on TV. This is not radio. This is not a podcast. It's a television show. Number two.


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[Assistant] The rest of us, besides Mike, have to stop saying


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[Assistant] Alright, uh, Joe Flacco. Is this a Joe Flacco revenge game? Robert Sala, who I think is over, way overrated as a head coach.


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[Assistant] I'm not a fan. Hey, there's not a lot of good coaches that are defensive guys. That Bill Belichick, he's an idiot. He's washed up. He's an idiot. And Bill Belichick's unique because he was involved with both sides of the ball, let's be honest. He's not just a defensive guy. The guy's a football savant. Now, he can't


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[Assistant] Did you say he was terrible? I said he's become Marvin Lewis now. He's Marvin Lewis. He was also a defensive guy. Yea.


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[Assistant] The stupidest thing that we do as media, that fans do, and that NFL teams do also, is that we pick head coaches often based on how they do as coordinators. I agree. Makes no sense whatsoever.


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[Assistant] What I'm saying is, we shouldn't pick it based on which offense had the most success.


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[Assistant] We should interview coaches and if you're a smart owner that's good at hiring people.


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[Assistant] That guy's a leader of men. That guy's a leader of men. I don't care that his team didn't score as many points as that guy's team.


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[Assistant] That's right. And this is the first time, and I said it at the time, you probably did too, this is the first time since Haslam's been owner that


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[Assistant] And before, and we'll get to Joe Flacco, which is where we started.


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[Assistant] Stefanski AND Barry get extensions this offseason because I think you should give them both extensions. I agree.


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[Assistant] Alright, now we start this conversation getting into Joe Flacco and whether this is any kind of revenge game.


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[Assistant] Jets head coach said, uh, Robert Salas said, uh, we don't regret our decisions in the quarterback room. To be fair, wasn't like Joe Flacco really played that well last year for the Jets. Correct. He did a good job in the game against the Browns. And then next week against the Bengals, he was awful.


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[Assistant] So, I wouldn't kill Robert Sala. Now, had they signed Flacco and he had the same magic there, maybe they would have been better, but maybe it would have been too long of a season for him and he wouldn't have done well. We'll never know. I'm not gonna kill Sala for those comments. Uh, do you think there's a part of Joe Flacco that wants to stick it to the Jets or no?


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[Assistant] Have a big game and to be fair to Elijah Moore.


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[Assistant] There it went bad on the field and off the field. Where that has, he hasn't been a problem off the field. There's been no complaining about his role, at least publicly.


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[Assistant] It goes both ways. What do you think, Paul? Uh, I hadn't really thought about it from that perspective.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I guess, I don't know, I think of it as kind of even. I think it's an equal advantage for a veteran like Joe Flacco.


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[Assistant] Who's been around so long, who knows what teams, you know, he's going to figure out a defense quicker than most quarterbacks. So yes, they know his weaknesses, but I think he knows their weaknesses or he knows solid tendencies in that situation too. So I think it's more of an even playing field.


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[Assistant] Did they get Chicago? I don't remember. Or was it the second drive maybe?


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[Assistant] I'd put the defense out there if I win it tonight. I would too. In this game. Yeaah. I would too. But I think one other thing about the matchup with the Jets is interesting.


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[Assistant] Since Flacco's been quarterback, I'm not sure about the Rams game and they lost that game anyway, but certainly the last three weeks. The team they've played.


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[Assistant] Has been a much better run defensive team than past defense. This is the one it switches. And this is the first game they've played where it's the opposite.


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[Assistant] The Browns' strength as an offense right now is throwing the ball, especially if Amari Cooper is able to go.


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[Assistant] So what I'm curious is, and it's not like they've totally given up on the run in terms of attempts. Last week they had a lot of attempts. Now part of that was because they were up big and they ran it more late.


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[Assistant] But, I wonder if they'll make even, will they say, hey, our strength is passing the ball, I don't care that the Jets are good at pass defense, we're sticking with our strength? Or do they say, we've got to make even more of an effort to run the ball this week, because that's the Jets weakness.


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[Assistant] We'll talk with her and we're going to do our weekly draft here of the 10 best players.


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[Assistant] Also, I'll be doing my podcast late tonight. So as soon as you're done, uh, watching the live post live UCSS post game, my podcast will be out there. So it'll be more late night watching and listening tonight as well.


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[Assistant] Uh, alright, so Deshawn Watson expected to be back on the sidelines, guys. Uh, a couple of weeks ago, we said, okay, no big deal that he's not, it can't, about a month ago,


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[Assistant] Uh, it, it, it became a story that Watson was not on the sideline because in the same week, Joe Burrow, who had gotten hurt, was on the, and Joe Burrow's been on the Bengal sideline every week since. Deshaun Watson has not been, Watson was in a, in a luxury box with his girlfriend or whatever.


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[Assistant] No. I agree it's not bad. I didn't make a big thing of it at the time. Uh, I did think it-


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[Assistant] The optics of it weren't great. The optics of Joe Borrow being on the sideline and him being in the press box when Borrow's got a good reputation and he's got a bad reputation wasn't good.


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[Assistant] Period. Home War Road. The Browns only have gone to the playoffs since 2002 and 2020 when there was COVID. So there were no fans, period. Correct. So it's been 21 years since the Browns have gone to the playoffs where there were people able to go to the games. That's what I'm saying.


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[Assistant] After the game is going to be crazy, the fans are going to be going absolutely bananas. Are fans running on the field? Does that still happen? No. Not in the NFL. No. College, yes. College thing, right? Yeah.


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[Assistant] after the game, it's just going to be crazy. It's going to be nuts. Downtown Cleveland is going to be nuts at midnight tonight. I mean, it's or later.


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[Assistant] Yes, probably. I think Chug. Who else could it be? Dequel.


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[Assistant] I mean- Oh my goodness. Aditi, we were asking- here it is, let's watch this now. Oh, we can't hear it? Just see it.


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[Assistant] All I can think about while watching this is how gross that is and I wouldn't want it done to me.


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[Assistant] I hear you, but eventually, like the Browns did that against the Texans and the Texans started coming back a little and then the Browns went back to playing serious defense and it was over. The Jets could have done the same thing and it, you know, it didn't happen.


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[Assistant] Okay, and that's fine. I don't, I, I ultimately don't care whether Kevin, really whether Kevin Samantha went coach of the year or not.


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[Assistant] I am all about doing what's right and leaving biases out of it. That's how I live my life and I hate that we should just accept it and should never


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[Assistant] Do anything to change it. That is maybe the biggest flaw in our entire country. Is that everybody's just okay with it not being a meritocracy.


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[Assistant] Is if they somehow end up as the number one seed.


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[Assistant] If that happens, if they win out, the Ravens lose out, unlikely, and the Bills beat the Dolphins, the Browns would be the number one seed, and then you'd have to give it to them.


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[Assistant] I was thinking Lamar, I actually think, I want to see how the last two weeks play out. I think you can make a very strong case for Josh Allen. He kind of got buried early in the season because he didn't play great early. He's got 40 total touchdowns.


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[Assistant] Right. Now I do think Lamar and Josh Allen are asked to do more at that position than any other quarterbacks. Those two guys. Yes. Yes. I think have more on their shoulders than any. I think it's between the two of them for me, but we'll see. Alright Aditi, enjoy the game. Happy New Year. We'll talk to you next week. Thank you as always.


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[Assistant] That's gonna be fun. Who would you guys vote for right now before we get to the draft here? Lamar. Lamar. Today.


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[Assistant] What if the Bills end up winning the AFC East, which they very well could? Well then we'll revisit this in two weeks. Okay. Alright Anthony, what do you got for us?


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[Assistant] So the candidates for two, let's throw out a few candidates.


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[Assistant] Uh, alright, so Quinn and Ray, there's no tiebreakers because there's only three of us. Right. Alright, so Quinn, I'm going Amari at four. I'm going Amari.


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[Assistant] Uh, the other Jets corner, what's his name? DJ Reid. DJ Reid. Or Michael Carter.


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[Assistant] Is Garrett Wilson a better wide receiver than Betonio as a guard? Right now, yes. Right now, yes. Is he better than Teller as a guard? Yes. Is Teller better than Betonio now? I think he might be. This year.


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[Assistant] Alright, go ahead, that's eight. So we got how many, what is it, four and four right now? It's four and four right now. Alright, so for nine, we got Nijoku. Emerson. Emerson.


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[Assistant] Flacco. I'm going flacco at nine. The way he's playing right now.


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[Assistant] I, I got Flacco 9 and Teller 10. He's got Flacker, Flacco.


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[Assistant] The Browns have not had that second tier talent. That's been the problem. Correct. They've had a lot of top tier talent. Yep. Maybe not at the positions that are sexy, but for a number of years when the Browns are bad, they've had a number of first, but they never had a big second. Now they got a massive second tier. Yes.


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[Assistant] More of a timing and a rhythm thing. Yeah. So Matt Hack is the punter and Riley Patterson.


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[Assistant] Shame on you. And most importantly, you cost me a couple of fantasy points on that. I'm not happy about it. No, that's not most important. Go ahead Anthony. What was that?


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[Assistant] Alright, this is the muti lot already and we're little over, little under eight hours before the game.


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[Assistant] Uh, there's already a lot of cars in there and buses and vans. It doesn't look like a lot of people. Everybody's just sitting in their cars right now. I'm not sure.


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[Assistant] Why hasn't anybody corrected him on that? For those who don't know what I'm talking about, I'm talking about Jimmy Haslam's son in law.


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[Assistant] No, it's a great atmosphere and it's become a great atmosphere I feel like this year and there's a lot of energy and the crowd's gonna be awesome.


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[Assistant] That's right. By the way, speaking of old school, there's a video going around today where, uh, radio guy Tony Rizzo is on the field and he has a full head of hair. Or he has a full head of...


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[Assistant] I have to. I know we're a little early. No, I'm, I'm scared. I'm not, I'm not just making fun of Tony Rizzo. I'm just saying why would anybody wear a toupee?


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[Assistant] He doesn't, see, he doesn't wear a wig. Go ahead, Anthony. Yeah, so here's your first headline bowl.


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[Assistant] Jets grounded. Brown's defense racks up seven sats. You changed my subheadline!


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[Assistant] Did I? It said Miles Garrett, comma, Brown's defense, rack up seven sacks in dominating 23-3 fashion. I thought it was important to have Miles Garrett as part of his sub-headline. One's in the picture. Okay, because I think he's gonna have, lead the team with three sacks tonight. The Browns are gonna run rough shot.


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[Assistant] Defensively on the Jets. Their offensive line is trash. Their quarterback is trash. They have three, two great players in Breece Hall.


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[Assistant] Garrett Wilson, the tight end's a decent player. I dismissed him yesterday. He's a decent player. The rest of their offense is trash.


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[Assistant] He's had a ton of pressures. He's got all the great PFF grades. It's time to put the sacks back on the board. He is 13, right? 13. He will have 16 when we go to bed tonight. If we go to bed tonight, we may stay up all night. 16 sacks. Miles Garrett has 1, 2, 3 tonight. Get it done. Jets score 3 points.


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[Assistant] He's not, he's not good at anything. He's terrible. He's not an NFL quarterback. He's at best.


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[Assistant] By the way, I noticed on the top of the paper there, it said G versus Tyvis for the fantasy championship, which is in fact the case. Mike with the best record in the league until the last week of the season, finished in sixth.


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[Assistant] You even lost to Jay in the fifth place consolation game, which is pointless. I don't even know if you changed your line up. I didn't change my line up, so yeaah.


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[Assistant] If he throws for 300 yards this week, he's signing to a five year extension. I go seven. I go seven. Go ahead, Jason. What was your comment?


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[Assistant] Not surprisingly, or maybe coincidentally, would be the better word, uh, you and G are also the two most forgetful. Like you leave things all the time.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's actually, you're bad, and he's actually worse than you. I would say half the time he leaves here, I'm like, gee, you left your phone, or you left your ID.


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[Assistant] That I keep right next to my desk. And every day when I get home I put my phone wallet and keys in there. Every day.


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[Assistant] And sometimes I take my phone out or whatever and use it. But I never use my wallet and keys in the house. So they go in there and they don't come out.


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[Assistant] The wallet especially. One time I couldn't find my keys.


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[Assistant] And I, so the key, the box is, so it's my desk, and then there's this shelf with my box, and then on the other side is a garbage can. I accidentally dropped my keys in the garbage can once. Oh yea, you gotta move that garbage can.


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[Assistant] I think it's because it probably leads to arguments between you and your wife.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, right. Are you someone that leaves their car unlocked all the time? It's in the garage.


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[Assistant] When I get home, I lock my car, and then I go to my wife's car to make sure it's locked. Really? You park outside or in the garage?


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[Assistant] Uh, I have a one car garage, so when there's going to be snow, my wife parks in the garage, but if there's not snow, we usually just both leave it in the driveway. We've actually had a lot of break-ins in our kids. We have that at times.


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[Assistant] I mean you can still break in, but the kids are more likely to go into a car that's not locked.


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[Assistant] I had my car stolen from there. Did you really? You guys, have I told the story? No, I don't think so. Let me tell the story real quick for those who don't know.


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[Assistant] So when I was still working on the fan, it was, it was the night before Thanksgiving. I don't remember what year, probably 2015, maybe 16, a while ago.


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[Assistant] And I parked right in front of the building. For those who don't know, it's on Prospect. It's not like it's a, you know, it's a busy, it's a side street, but it's a busy street. Close enough to, yeah. And it was, and it was, uh,


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[Assistant] It was, I put my car out on the street. I come out of work at seven o'clock. Car is gone. You gotta be freaking kidding me.


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[Assistant] So, so, turn out my car was stolen. Did you think it was towed for unpaid parking tickets? No, I paid my parking.


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[Assistant] So I found, I got a call like a few days later from the police saying, hey, we've recovered your car.


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[Assistant] And I said, okay, they said, it's total, it's destroyed. I'm like, what happened? They said, this is a true story, I didn't know people did this. So apparently,


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[Assistant] There was a group of guys, I don't know if this is common or what. So they stole my car and they stole another car.


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[Assistant] To, they drove it through the front of like a grocery store, I believe. And then they had a flatbed.


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[Assistant] On the other car, they took the ATM, they used my car as the battering ram, left it there I believe, and then


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[Assistant] Nice, very cool. So Joe is in town. Oh, so maybe it's Joe that's...


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[Assistant] No, no, who would be the five, we were talking about this before the show, who would be the five most inappropriate choices? And not politicians or anything like that, the five, like somebody that, like Brown's related, five most inappropriate choices.


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[Assistant] Oh man. I don't think fans care about Alexander. Or many even remember who he was.


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[Assistant] I, I feel, I, Hugh, Hugh, Johnny Football, and the Corpse of Armageddon. Randy Lerner.


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[Assistant] That's a good one. Whoever, who came up with that one?


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[Assistant] What about, uh, uh. Mark Sanchez? Who was the, what's his name? The GM, he'd been with Philly. It was the GM when, when. Oh, Banner? Banner, yea.


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[Assistant] Here we are, it's the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. We were supposed to be four, we're only two, but in a few seconds we're gonna be three. Who will mysteriously sit in the middle seat? Will it be? Oh, it's good.


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[Assistant] Uh, about 12 and a half points. Oh yeaah, yeaah. He would have, and if he would have started, well he would have started him over Russell Wilson. Yeaah. 1952, yes, he would have had 18, uh, about 17 more points. You would have lost by four if he had started banking. Oh, he had to start banking. That's crazy. His heart is hurt. His heart is hurt.


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[Assistant] Not a good day for skinny white dudes in the opening of Cleveland Sports Talk. Bad look, man. Bad look, man. Hey, we got a lot to get to today, guys. Go ahead, Anthony.


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[Assistant] The bullpen with Adam the Bull today at 5pm. Eventually I want to do it where I'm going to bring callers or listeners.


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[Assistant] And if Ken, we've got our mugs. Tyvis, you're seeing yours for the first time. I did see mugs. Jason's wife, Alessia, made these for all of us. Very cool. We're very appreciative of that. It's a very cool thing.


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[Assistant] Uh, so lots to get to. We're going to talk Pro Bowl and who on the Browns should be considered for Pro Bowl. We start to look ahead a little bit to the Texans coming up. Will CJ Stroud, the Texans just won this past week. Will CJ Stroud play? I think that's still up in the air. I went through some of the playoff scenarios, by the way, guys.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, I was, I was, I was, I don't know if I tweeted it at all, but I put it in our group chat, and uh, let me just start there for a minute, because people were asking could the Browns clinch this week?


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[Assistant] Technically they can't clinch this week. I didn't find a scenario. I was running through the New York Times.


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[Assistant] Playoff simulator. I was trying to find a scenario they could clinch this week. Technically they can't. However, if they win this week.


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[Assistant] They're, they have a 99% chance of making the playoffs. So while it's not, well they technically have, there's probably like a, you know, 15 games that would have to go against them in the final two weeks, or the final three weeks.


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[Assistant] But they basically clinched, but not for sure. And the path to winning the division is not crazy. Browns have to win out.


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[Assistant] And the Ravens lose to San Francisco and either Miami or Pittsburgh, the Browns would win the division.


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[Assistant] That is, and that sounds very doable. It's not insane. I mean, what's the hardest part of that?


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[Assistant] Cause the Browns are, uh, I haven't checked the updated spread, we'll look at FanDuel in a minute.


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[Assistant] Uh, the Browns will be favored next week at home against the Jets.


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[Assistant] Depending on how the Bengals play the next two weeks, the Browns could be a slight dog in Cincinnati, but even if they are, it's probably one or two points. Maybe pick them or whatever.


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[Assistant] Uh, but all three of these games are very winnable for the Browns. Baltimore, I think we all think they're gonna lose. I think the toughest thing is Baltimore losing to Miami at home. Yes. Or at Pittsburgh. Now, I don't think Pittsburgh's very good right now, guys, but, uh, but Pittsburgh is always tricky with Baltimore.


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[Assistant] And they just this week lost Keaton Mitchell. He's done for the season.


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[Assistant] But they haven't, but you're right, by and large, I mean, there's not a lot of fully healthy teams.


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[Assistant] If the Browns are locked into a position. Uh, yeaah, I mean if, let's say the Browns, I mean if the Browns


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[Assistant] They'll probably be locked into the fifth spot I would think. You know, so.


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[Assistant] What's interesting also, I don't want to go through the scenarios of this because we've got a lot to get to.


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[Assistant] Really? The one scene is not off the table. Because- There's a lot that has to happen. Like the Dolphins had to lose some-


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[Assistant] Well, and they play the Ravens. Yea, they do. But we need the Ravens to win. Right, but let's say the Ravens lose to the Niners and Steelers and then beat the Dolphins. You could end up with a scenario and the Chiefs need to lose a game. So there's a lot that has to happen. But the Chiefs, you know, who knows? The Chiefs aren't playing great football. Maybe Cincinnati will win that game.


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[Assistant] There you go, it's possible. Although Jamar Chase is hurt and the Bengals were outside of borough were completely healthy. And now they lost Reader and Chase. Chase is not done for the year probably, but who knows. But anyway, uh, and you know what? You can't write off any team with injuries right now because we've seen so much crazy stuff.


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[Assistant] Alright guys, let's switch it up. So yesterday, time as you weren't here, we, we were talking some Pro Bowl stuff, guys that could potentially make the Pro Bowl. Uh, we're gonna save J-O-K for the end, right Anthony?


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[Assistant] Okay, we talked about you, okay. So are you gonna bring guys up or do you want me to just bring you guys up?


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[Assistant] Think about the AFC, cause the best tight ends, so you have, obviously you got Kelsey, he's going to the Pro Bowl. The next best tight ends are Hawkinson,


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[Assistant] In the, they take three, I believe they take three tight ends in each conference. So, you gotta have an Angrim, he's having a really good year.


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[Assistant] But who else is, but I think Engerman and the Joku are neck and neck for the second best tight end in the AFC right now, behind Travis Kelsey. Who else is there in the AFC?


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[Assistant] I ain't heard from Pat Fryermuth this year. Yeah, Fryermuth done nothing. The kid Dalton Cade's been okay in Buffalo, but he's not been consistent.


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[Assistant] He's not going, I don't think there's anybody else on the offense. Anybody want to make a case for Teller as the only healthy offensive lineman? I mean, it's hard, it's so hard to compare.


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[Assistant] I mean, again, with guards and offensive linemen, it's, you know, I'm not paying attention to offensive linemen on other teams outside of the Browns and Bengals, so I, I don't, you know, know, but I know he's, he's done well. He's, he's been the rock in that offensive line when everybody else is hurt.


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[Assistant] Huntley should have never gone. He should have been the last choice. But anyway, okay, now guys, let's move to the defensive side of the ball. We'll save J.O.K. for last because we want to do a deeper dive into him.


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[Assistant] That means they're in the Super Bowl. That's right. Right? Yeaah. I like that. I was like yeaah. But get the nod for the program. Yeaah. So Miles Garrett's a lot. Anybody else on the defensive line deserve consideration? How about, what does Dalvin Thomas' numbers look? I think he had another sack last game. Did he? He did. He's been up and down. He played really


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[Assistant] You know, I mean in terms of, if you're looking for...


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[Assistant] You know, PFF grades, just a, Maurice Hurst actually is the highest PFF grade of any of the Browns D tackles.


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[Assistant] Probably not, that deserves consideration. Uh, let's go to the defensive backfield. Now. MJ Emerson. Emerson, a head award?


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[Assistant] Okay, so if we look at it. No, All Pro is just, there's no AFC, NFC.


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[Assistant] I don't know. Well you got the guy from the Cowboys. Cowboys who went on them picks.


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[Assistant] So the Joku, I think we agree now, is probably a Pro Bowler. Obviously Miles Garrett. Uh.


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[Assistant] They'll get, I think they'll get one of the two corners. They'll get one corner. One corner. So that, that's, that's three guys in a Pro Bowl. How many games?


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[Assistant] It's a good point. I think before Ward got hurt. Oh, he was a lot. He was a lot. And now maybe Emerson passes him.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah. Okay, another guy. Dustin Hopkins. Special team.


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[Assistant] He's all pro. The only kicker that's been better than him is the guy with the cowboys.


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[Assistant] I don't think he's missed a single field goal, has he? I didn't see this week if he missed one.


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[Assistant] Bring that up, Anthony, if you could. Oh, one of you guys. The Cowboys kicker, I don't think is Mr. Ziggler, but he's in the NFC.


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[Assistant] But it don't matter anyway, because for Pro Bowl, now for all Pro, didn't matter. For Pro Bowl, they might be the kickers, I don't know, but outside of Justin Tucker, Evan McPherson's had a good season, uh, go ahead.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't know, a punter I'm just, he's good. Didn't he have like the longest net? He does. There's other punters who are better at like spinning it back. So it's hard to say. Listen.


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[Assistant] And, and what's funny is, a lot of the players you thought before the season could be Pro Bowlers are out of consideration because they either, in some cases didn't have great seasons, but in most cases it's because they hurt. Just didn't play at all. Right.


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[Assistant] For all pros. But all these guys are having tremendous heat. Now, the last guy we gotta talk about is J.O.K. Uhm, J.O.K. This is the most remarkable story.


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[Assistant] But David Njoku was at least a solid player, and now he's taking it up another level. Well, two levels maybe. JOK, there were a couple games last year, he was inactive, a healthy scratch. Think about that. He was bad.


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[Assistant] He looked like he had no instincts. The greatest linebacker in the last 30 years for the Browns.


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[Assistant] De'Quel Jackson said to us, they should cut this guy. Let's play that clip, guys.


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[Assistant] D'Quel, the man knows the position, he was a great player, he's a great guy. He didn't come on here, weakin' and weakin', out-torchin' other players. No, he was- At all. Not at all. And he was like, this guy can't play. And for him to turn it around, to go from being an unplayable player last year,


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[Assistant] To maybe, and again, it's hard to say because I'm not sure how many great linebackers there are in the AFC. But the fact that we're having a conversation about him being a pro bowler, hi, this is stunning compared to where he was last year.


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[Assistant] And you know, if you look at the tackles, and you guys put up the stats there, I mean, the tackles are really good. His tackle numbers weren't bad last year when he played. I mean, he missed some time and he still had 70 tackles through 15 games. But last year he didn't make any impact plays.


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[Assistant] There's no way he only has one running back tackle for a loss. That's right, you might be right. So he has 27 tackles. Apologies.


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[Assistant] I got it. The word on the street is that G has always been Myles Garrett's favorite sports talk guy in Cleveland, and I was number two. And I think we flip-flopped now. I have finally taken the top spot. Because you got crazy.


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[Assistant] Listen, J.O.K.'s having a magnificent season. Yes he is. And he deserves all the credit and maybe he's going to make a Pro Bowl. He's having, he's, he's, you know, been the second or third best player on the Browns defense this year. And none of us could have guessed that coming into the season. I mean. No way.


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[Assistant] By the way, Steve Becker, our executive producer, is saying that a tackle for a loss, the sack does count as a tackle for a loss, but that doesn't make any sense.


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[Assistant] We talked a couple of names. We mentioned Lyle Collins, uh, Taylor Luan. Now, you know, you wonder if the Browns have, you know, looked into those guys and maybe they just, you know, Taylor Luan's lost some weight. Maybe he may not even be able to play anymore. He's doing some media stuff. I thought Lyle Collins wanted to play. I know two months ago he was cleared.


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[Assistant] Look, I did see that the browns


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[Assistant] I can't remember the name of the player, but there was a defensive tackle. Oh, it was like Turner or Trey. Yeah. Somebody claimed me. He got picked up by the Texans on waivers. Yeah. But I saw that the Browns and Bengals both putting claims for him.


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[Assistant] So it's not like the Browns are sitting on their hands. They saw something in this defensive tackle. They thought he could help them. They didn't get them because the Texans have a worse record, so the Texans had first crack at them.


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[Assistant] Uh, you wanna see a veteran ta- offensive lineman, or you, or you got, hey, Bill Callahan's happy with this group, I'm happy with this group.


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[Assistant] No, I, I think, I, I was thinking the veteran, but I think what you say makes a lot of sense. I, I actually think that makes more sense than adding some of these veteran players who haven't practiced. I, I gotta think there's, you know, there's probably


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[Assistant] What, 50 or 60 offensive linemen on practice squads around the league, somewhere around there, maybe more, maybe 70, I don't know. You gotta think there's one or two guys that could be better than James Hudson, I would think.


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[Assistant] By the way, the Rams, just to look at it, cause you mentioned the Rams, I don't know any of the names, but they have four, four offensive linemen on their practice squad. Now I don't know who's a guard, who's a tackle. I've never heard of the four guys, but you gotta think if there's four guys on the Rams, let's say,


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[Assistant] There's an average of three and a half offensive linemen per practice squad. Well, that's over a hundred offensive linemen on practice squad. That's, that's crazy.


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[Assistant] Alright Anthony, it's time to, every week we do a game with PFF Grades to try to figure out if we can figure out what the hell their grades are all about. So what do we got this week?


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[Assistant] Well, we were guests last week, cause it was in the, the, uh, was I a guest last week?


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[Assistant] If I'm wrong about this one, I'm officially saying Anthony screwed up this game and I'll tell you what.


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[Assistant] I think that would probably be a touchdown.


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[Assistant] That was a touchdown. Yeah. I think you'd have player would get up and run. That's what I would do. I mean, John, uh, Jim Harbaugh would probably do that. He's not afraid to be famous forever. Oh my God.


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[Assistant] They're like, you can't like, nah, you'd have, that would have to be a touch. I wonder if it's ever happened like in high school. Like I could see that happening in some crazy high school football coach. Right.


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[Assistant] That's a little, like a coach, I don't think a coach would ever do it. You know what, let's ask Mary Kay about it. Mary Kay Cavett is with us, Cleveland.com. And here she is, good to see her. Hi Mary Kay, how you doing?


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[Assistant] There had to be a point early in their careers for both of them where coaches were like, well don't do that crap, what are you doing?


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[Assistant] That gives the other team a win. I don't know. I don't know Mary Kay, but, uh, the way this season's gone, I guess anything could happen. We could, we could see that in the Super Bowl. Because the ground season's just been absurd.


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[Assistant] Mary Kay, like, you think about, I know this has been talked to death, but I just said yesterday, if you had been in a coma, and you woke up today, and I said, okay, let me tell you about the Browns, you try to guess their record. Joe Flacco is their quarterback.


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[Assistant] He came off the couch and has played the last three weeks.


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[Assistant] They lead the league or they're second in the league in turnovers.


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[Assistant] And they have more injuries than every team but the Texans and the most money on injured list. And I gave you just those facts and I said, what's the Browns record you think?


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[Assistant] You'd probably guess what? Three wins? Four wins? I mean, not much more than that. It's mind-blowing how good a job I think Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Barry have done to steer this ship in the right direction with all the adversity they've had to deal with.


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[Assistant] Uh, besides the offensive line, is there anything they can do in the running game to get a spark? Whether it's use Pierre Strong more, because maybe he's a better outside runner. Uh, Jerome Ford seemed to be lacking some vision, I thought last week, maybe, I don't know, who knows, but, but, uh, I don't know, what can they do?


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[Assistant] Right now they're a big-time passing team. I'm kind of enjoying it. G's like, well, they gotta just go with it. I kinda agree with them.


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[Assistant] But do you think they do have to try to run at least a little more? Or no?


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[Assistant] By the way, CJ Stroud as of late last night had still not cleared concussion protocol.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, typically obviously is, you know, better than us Mary Kayden. You usually don't hear anything on Tuesday, but probably by tomorrow we'll have a feel for what, what Stroud's status is.


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[Assistant] Uh, Mary Kay went, do you think, uhm, at this point, you know, the Browns, uh, put in a claim for a defensive lineman. I know the Texans got them. Do you, you know, we talked a little bit about it with the offensive lineman, but do you think they're gonna still be aggressive maybe?


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[Assistant] Add more guys off the street or practice squads here in the next couple of weeks?


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[Assistant] And they need the Ravens to lose to the Niners and then to lose to either the Steelers or the Dolphins.


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[Assistant] Browns win out, Ravens lose to the, to the Niners, and either the Dolphins are stealing.


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[Assistant] Alright Mary Kay, have a, have a, have a Merry Christmas. Thank you for joining us. We'll talk to you again soon. Alright.


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[Assistant] You too, Mary Kay. We'll talk to you soon. Sean Merriman, former NFL defensive player, of course great defensive player.


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[Assistant] Uhm, he is going to join us in just a few minutes. He's doing, uh, yeah, through, uh, Fubo TV, right? He's coming on. Obviously we'll talk football with him, but he's also promoting that as well. What stood out to you for Mary Kay guys? Anything injuries? She thinks they still may look for an offensive lineman as we talked about.


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[Assistant] That's an asterisk. To me, if CJ Stroud doesn't play, I think the Browns have an excellent chance of winning. If he does, it's a complete toss-up, I think.


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[Assistant] We're gonna talk football, but also big, uh, extreme fighting event on PuboTV, Saturday, January the 6th. There it is.


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[Assistant] The women, the women's fight Montez against Catiline. I apologize if I pronounced their names wrong. Sean, did I get their names right? Do we have Sean?


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[Assistant] You know what, what I heard, and you can tell me if this is true or not Sean, I heard the reason Maryland kind of fell apart after that is because Connor Stallions was on the sideline and he ran into one of Maryland's best players, knocked him out of the game, and that screwed up the whole season.


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[Assistant] We're in this situation, guys, cause the college, the big time programs,


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[Assistant] The coach and the school side, they never took any steps.


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[Assistant] To say, hey this is crazy, we gotta change the system a little bit. And so eventually it got to the point where, well of course it's Wild West because they were never taking steps that way. So it's all the fault of those schools and the greediness of the schools and coaches, I think.


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[Assistant] No doubt. By the way, you know who could use the transfer portal? It's the Browns. Because they have so many injuries. You know, can we, can we transfer maybe De'arnes Johnson back from the Jaguars? I don't know.


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[Assistant] Sean, this, I don't know how closely you followed this, but the Browns have the second most players on IR in the league, the most money in IR in the league, so many key guys. They lead the league in turnovers, they have a negative turnover differential.


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[Assistant] And yeaah, they're on their fourth quarterback, Joe Flacco, and they're nine and five! I mean, what a...


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[Assistant] What's your thoughts on the job the coaching staff and the players who are playing have done on this team?


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[Assistant] Sean, give us a little preview of the, of the, the high, you know, the lead fight there, the highlight fight, main event.


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[Assistant] I got, I got the biggest shocking thing when it comes to MMA. Do you know that as out of shape as I am now, there was a few years ago, I was in a little bit better shape and I actually trained with an MMA fighter for six months.


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[Assistant] Who was an MMA fighter. She actually fought for the women's championship. She lost in the UFC. Jessica Evil Eye.


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[Assistant] You know the name? Yep. She, she, she, she, she hasn't been as good recently. She, you know, but, but anyway, I trained with her for six months. Was it intense?


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[Assistant] Sean, great. Hey, last thing real quick on football. Did you sack Joe Flacco in your career?


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[Assistant] What uh, what uh, what star recruit were you by the way coming out of high school? Three? Gee, what were you? Man, I was like...


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[Assistant] I have a friend, I have a friend who lost his fan club playoff matchup on that catch by Metcalfe. I'll be sick. I'll be sick.


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[Assistant] I mean pizza in general, it's better to eat at the restaurant.


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[Assistant] But I would say Il Rione, although it's always crowded, especially on a busy night, so get there early. That's the closest restaurant in downtown that's the best that I've had.


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[Assistant] That's right. Great job at a uTimes. We hit a milestone today. 35,000 subscribers.


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[Assistant] Think about this, the Browns have nine wins and they're averaging, averaging over two turnovers per game.


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[Assistant] Two more. We'll get there. Calm down. We'll get it.


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[Assistant] That's in reference to the coach tackling the play.


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[Assistant] Of course it would, it would be totally fair. That's a touchdown. There's no way you could not score that touchdown.


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[Assistant] I punch the coach right in the face.


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[Assistant] Alright, coming up on overtime today for you, uh, people that are subscribers or there's a lot of new subscribers because Earl's been...


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[Assistant] Doing his best Santa Claus impressions. I don't know where you're getting this money from. Yeaah, what is Earl doing? He's getting all this money, he's handing out, uh, he's doing a good thing in the holiday season.


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[Assistant] You gotta, right now, tweet at Anthony. Anthony, what's your Twitter handle? I never remember it.


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[Assistant] Adam the Bull. Garrett Bush. Tyvis Powell. Jason Lloyd.


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[Assistant] I would look at playing him on third downs, bring him in to guard tight ends. Let him be the man to man, the cover linebacker.


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[Assistant] And that's one of the things that Jim talked about.


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[Assistant] I couldn't understand last night why they kept saying it was like a gotta have it for the Steelers.


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[Assistant] Must win? Very good. No, I'm with Bull. It's not a must win. The one thing that's interesting about this though is maybe I'm alone in this. I kind of assume the Jaguars are going to win the division. That's not a guarantee. No. And so we talked about that yesterday. Yeah. Okay. So when you talk about tiebreakers now all of a sudden,


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[Assistant] You know, you could, you could lose this game and beat Houston.


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[Assistant] And it just, it just changes. The, the Jaguars and the Texans both have a weaker strength of schedule than even the Browns, and the Browns don't have a very hard schedule the rest of the way.


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[Assistant] Well, they split the head to head. I was looking at this this morning. They split the head to head. Jacksonville has a one game lead in the division. It gets confusing. It does.


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[Assistant] Indy is right there. And the Browns hold the tiebreaker with them, obviously, if it becomes a wild card situation.


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[Assistant] The Browns already hold the tiebreaker with Indy and then Houston and Jacksonville still to come. It's a big game. This is a big game. But it's not, it's not must win.


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[Assistant] I'm just trying to illustrate how incredible some of these Browns wins have been. Oh, absolutely. Sure. And I am, I do think, listen, on, when


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[Assistant] No, and I'm, when it happened, I thought, oh, Thursday night, there's no way he's going to be ready to play. But I don't think that they necessarily want him moving around, but I think he's going to give it a shot.


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[Assistant] Of course! Why do you think Jacksonville is trying so hard to get him back out there?


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[Assistant] We saw this last year in the playoffs with Mahomes. He had a high ankle sprain. Absolutely. He played through it and played the following week and he was very limited. He was. He was very limited.


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[Assistant] Well, no, but I think it's the same type of thing. Now the Thursday matters. I think that


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[Assistant] That's why I'm a little hesitant to say he's gonna play, but I do think, I think he's, now, is he gonna end the game? I don't know, is he gonna finish the game? What do you mean, the Thursday matters? Well, it's Thursday instead of Sunday, coming off the short of the week. Oh, I see what you're saying, yeaah. So, I think that really, that they played... Monday, it played Monday. I'm sorry. Yeaah, yeaah, yeaah. Yeaah, that's right, I know what you're saying, but I'm sorry. No, I'm still in... It's still a short weekend. It's still a short weekend.


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[Assistant] But coming off a short week, even that extra day matters. I think he's going to start the game. I don't know if he's going to finish the game. Maybe they knock him out. Maybe he realizes he can't do it. I mean, the best case scenario is Lawrence starts and he's so, he's so bad with his injury that they have to switch. And that's possible, but I do think he's going to try.


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[Assistant] No, I agree with G. If you're the Browns defense, you're preparing for Trevor Lawrence. Injuries happen in football games all the time and guys leave.


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[Assistant] You're preparing for the better guy and then if that doesn't work, it's a lot easier to dial down than it is to go, to go the other way.


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[Assistant] And I, I just think you, you, you expect to see Trevor, you know, he's going to be limited in his mobility. And from Jacksonville standpoint, who are you getting ready? You know, we've talked about that before is when you're trying to get two guys ready, you don't get either one of them ready.


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[Assistant] And when you're fighting this injury like that, I think that they have some questions this week in terms of how are you splitting the reps at quarterback and how do you get method ready?


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[Assistant] When you're trying to see if your starter can go or not. There's no excuse to me for the Browns defense not playing well this week.


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[Assistant] I know you're not a front office guy, you can't say specifically why but I'm just curious why it's December and he was still available.


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[Assistant] But I'm as good one as I ever was. When you look at, and listen, Joe played far better than I thought he would. But when you look at the totality of the numbers, he only completed 50% of his passes. So it's not like he had this high level elite game with 350 yards and he had the terrible interception at the end. He did have some drops, but it was a good game.


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[Assistant] But I'm wondering if it was a good game because the Browns quarterback play has been so atrocious all year that it was the first ray of light. Everyone's like, oh my God, finally.


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[Assistant] Was it as good as we think it was? Is there another gear to this? Is this sustainable given his age and given his experience?


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[Assistant] Oh, I had him, I mean I would put him with right there, I'd have him at three if we're going.


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[Assistant] Kevin Ridley again, three. I'd say miles at this point.


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[Assistant] I've been gone all week, I haven't been in the brewery at all, but didn't he say, now again, he could be covering him for himself, he thought they had a great scheme on him, it wasn't the shoulder that was bothering him, they just did a great job.


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[Assistant] I got Wyatt Teller at six. Looks like my Mario Cooper is going to play. He's practicing today. Oh he is? Oh that's good news.


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[Assistant] The tweet I saw is he's at practice today. Whether that means he's been cleared from protocol. We saw a DTR out there and he hadn't been cleared yet.


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[Assistant] I got Teller. You have him at 6 as well? I got ETN at 6.


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[Assistant] Again, he played, he played well above our expectations last week. No question. It was a really low bar we had said if you look at that, that was not elite NFL quarterback play. It was just better than anything we've seen all year.


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[Assistant] But we don't know Joe Flacco's gonna play either for sure. Friday's typically the day, if you're back at practice Friday, you're usually good to go for Sunday. Again, with it being a concussion, I don't know that we've really had clarity. Yea, because you can be back at practice, but still be in protocol. Correct. We saw that with DTR. So it's a risk, but I still think, I think he's gonna play enough.


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[Assistant] I think the, the better alternative for me is to make an exception for the starting quarterback salary against the cap. Cause then if you do a 10 million dollar exception for a backup, you're going to start overpaying guys that really aren't worth it.


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[Assistant] Well, I think, I love what the Browns did and we talked about when they drafted DTR. I think that's the way to go is you draft a guy in the middle to late rounds and you develop him within your system and then he's there. But even he is only an answer for three years. But okay, but then you got to do it again.


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[Assistant] You can talk about, it's a luxury to have a high paid backup. And any team that has a high paid backup, it's usually because their starter isn't making very much. And it comes down to, do you want a high paid backup or do you want a third defensive tackle?


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[Assistant] Which one do you want? Because that's what it's going to cost you the same. Almost every team in the league is going to take that defensive tackle over a backup when you're spending as much as you are is what the Browns are on the starting quarterback. The product suffers more.


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[Assistant] I'm a hater. Oh, oh, dang. Pickles will be out of it by week 18. Really? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think he can still clear it. I don't think that it rules him out. I mean, this could be part of it is getting on the field and going through, you know, that could be part of what needs to happen in order for him to clear it.


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[Assistant] I'm Gee Bush, leader of the Kool-Aid Mafia, and I'm gonna tell you why an undrafted free agent in the secondary might play a big role this week in Denver. Jason?


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[Assistant] Uhm, pretty big deal. Uhm, I think, you know, you look at Russell Wilson, he's been, uh, efficient, effective, 19 touchdowns, only four in receptions this year. They got a big body in Cortland, uh, Sutlin, who, who's a guy who's been playing well, Jerry Judy, they have out there as well.


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[Assistant] So, you know, those are, you know, we've been able to match up our corners with just whoever's out there and shut guys down with Newsome and Ward and Emerson.


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[Assistant] You're not gonna have Denzel Ward today, and you might not even have Thornhill up to expectations. You may see guys like Ronnie Hickman.


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[Assistant] Out of Ohio State, had a couple of interceptions during the preseason. Filling in with, uh, Rodney McCloud being out, uh, due to, for the season. So, you're gonna have to mix some stuff up, the back there in the back end. And, uh, this is where having multiple corners comes into play.


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[Assistant] Greg Newsom, uh, has mixed in those positions before. Got an interception against Seattle, and Emerson's been out there all year. We'll see how they go to bring that pressure, but it's a big, it's a big blow.


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[Assistant] And Bull, you look at it, the Browns have really excelled at playing man to man coverage.


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[Assistant] How much are they going to be able to carry that game playing over if you got guys in the back end that are fresh, young guys who haven't played? That's a really big part of what, what uh, Jim Schorz wants to run. So we'll see how much he runs man-man coverage versus zone in this game. We've had some breaking news.


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[Assistant] Well, we're gonna see. Uhm, I'd be surprised to see how it works, Bull. Uhm, you look at the situation where you got Kevin Stefanski, we all saw that he had the training wheels on DTR last week. This week, I think if he feels comfortable,


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[Assistant] Look at the numbers for the Denver Broncos. They're middle of the road when it comes to stopping a run. Middle of the road when it comes to pass defense. If they find a couple of matchups that they like,


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[Assistant] Oh yea, that's where, the defensive line that they're preaching in, hey, get the ball out, strip sacks, that's where the turnovers will come in.


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[Assistant] He's gonna be filling in for Anthony Walker. Uh, he's gonna be in the mic position. He played well at mic.


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[Assistant] Uh, last year in, in spurt duty. Uhm, but you know, he has to get running backs on the ground. Uh, guys, you know, the Browns have given up, you know, back-to-back weeks. You look at the Ravens game, long runs, uh, it, it gets the Ravens. You know, you look at the Warren run last week, 70-something yards.


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[Assistant] That doesn't sound good. They need him. They need him out there. Uh, that's part of it. Especially when you got a light secondary need to deline and step up. It'll be huge if they don't have oak.


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[Assistant] They will be. Uhm, I think they'll be more aggressive than they were against the Pittsburgh Steelers. You look at why they had the game plan. We talked about it during our YouTube show. Look at our tackles. You know, you had two tackles that were going against two of the best defensive ends in the game.


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[Assistant] Highsmith and uh, and uh, and T.J. White, so.


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[Assistant] You're gonna be a little more conservative, but you're going into this game.


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[Assistant] I don't really know the names of these guys on the Denver Broncos, not saying that they can't be good or whatever the case may be.


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[Assistant] But if there was any game that you would look to, you know, maybe sneak some more aggressive play calls down the field, it would probably be this game, right? You know, you could take a few shots here or there, and the goal for the Browns, and the goal is every week is, hey, get the lead,


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[Assistant] Play from a, a, a position of power and let your, let your defensive line, let your defense dictate where they're gonna be at.


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[Assistant] But, uh, we didn't have D-T-R at quarterback, and I got the Browns. I got the Browns winning again.


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[Assistant] Browns riding mile high. Hopkins continues his clutch kicking as Browns moved to 8-3. I think this is a low scoring affair. I would pick somewhere around 20-17. You know, last second drive, Hopkins kicks a 59 yarder to seal the deal. Mikey.


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[Assistant] Uuuh, I don't know man, I can't, I can't call it. I'ma go and, nope, I changed it to minimal to what? Get the ball to Maserati Marv. He's the hottest thing in the game. If you throw him the ball every time, you wouldn't get the dub. Casey, real quick.


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[Assistant] No, I definitely think she's, uh, blue jacket's fan, cause she's from Columbus. I got into hockey the year that the Knights formed, and I just got really lucky with how good they are.


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[Assistant] I do have a super chat question here from Slim Shaney.


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[Assistant] I'll, I'll defend Jared Allen to a point, right? You wanna like Pokemon, like Pokemon. I got Pokemon tattoos. Enjoy your hobbies. Like, Miles Garrett has them too, but you have to go out there and show up, right? Like, I can, I can enjoy my hobbies, but when we have to be here,


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[Assistant] You need, uh, you have stuff to lose. You're not, you're not that down. But if you take somebody who's getting streaky...


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[Assistant] I'm Jason Lloyd, I'm going to tell you what happens before the game. Headlines, it's one of our favorite segments on the show. Mikey.


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[Assistant] We've talked about on the YouTube show at length, the practice reps are so important to these guys. Even if DTR was magically cleared today, I think it's too late, frankly. Like, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday installations are so important.


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[Assistant] I'd rather have DTR just because he's been here all year. Both guys are healthy. Give me DTR. But under the circumstances of where things stand, for this week at least, it has to be Joe.


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[Assistant] The stat box on Joe, the one that concerns me the most is the eight fumbles. I've been saying it all year, just don't turn the ball over. They can get away with a four out of ten.


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[Assistant] Really? I mean, they've won with 40% and two interceptions out of the quarterback. When you're playing on the road though, when you're playing against an offense, they can still score like the Rams can.


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[Assistant] So as long as he's not getting hit in the pocket, which is a big concern with their tackles, if the, if the protection holds, if they're not getting to him, he's not putting the ball on the ground. I don't know that I necessarily, I don't fear him throwing interceptions as much as you do with PJ Walker. I think he's a veteran. I know he has thrown a ton, but he's a veteran.


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[Assistant] I wanted to go Stafford because the old Toby Keith song, I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was. And I worry about guys like Stafford and Cooper Cup. They just need, you know, it's in there and you just don't want to see it at the wrong time. But I have to go with Kyron Williams only because he's the type of explosive back. We were talking to Chris Rose about it on the YouTube show.


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[Assistant] The Ravens had a run running back, a young running back sort of the same way that gashed them this year as well. So it's those guys and we saw the running game of the Broncos really sort of eat up the Browns that I don't think we saw that come in last week. So I think I'm a little bit more concerned with Kyron Williams. I'm definitely more concerned


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[Assistant] They should run it a lot. I think they will run it a lot. I think they're going to throw it more. Joe's got the experience. Kevin has a track record of liking to throw to set up the run. It's a little bit different than the way they played football 50 years ago of set up, run it to throw the pass, to set up the pass. So I just, history tells us they're going to throw it more than they would.


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[Assistant] Kyra Noim's the last few weeks, if you look at his rushing totals, it's a lot higher than 105. And 105 is really not that big of a number, really. I mean, the Browns have been so great.


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[Assistant] defensively against the run. They've put up some incredible numbers, but 105 is a team collectively. It's really not that high of a bar. So I, I just, I just think they got gashed last week. I do think that they'll tighten some things up, but just because if it's 140, 145, maybe I'd say no, but I think that they'll clear the 105 mark.


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[Assistant] Well, two field goals and an extra point gets him to seven, and so to top that, you need someone to score two touchdowns. And I don't know if there's going to be... Yeah, a quarterback can throw for two touchdowns. Well, he's not scoring it. I took that as scoring the point.


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[Assistant] Ah, reading is hard guys. So because of that reason, I'm not expecting a player to score two touchdowns in this game. This one was kind of easy for me. Give me two field goals and an extra point.


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[Assistant] Well, but I mean that's all the Browns do is kick field goals. That's still not a lot of points that would


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[Assistant] Plus, ba-da-da-da-da, you're lovin' him. Mikey McNuggets. And so many big names, it would take me hours to say all of their names.


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[Assistant] AVP said this morning he has one more box to check, and I have no idea what that box is, there was no specifics from AVP, but said there's one more box DTR has to check before he can be cleared from protocol.


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[Assistant] I agree it's Joe, but can I just play devil's advocate and make a case for DTR just for the sake of this?


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[Assistant] Against the Rams, they had one elite pass rusher in Aaron Donald, and the rest of their defensive line was so-so at best. They had no one who had more than three sacks, it was pressure from one point, one guy you could really focus on, and outside of that,


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[Assistant] Against Jacksonville their defensive line is they don't have that one guy in the same caliber of Aaron Donald.


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[Assistant] But they have the next four best pass rushes if you were drafting pass rushes between the Rams and the Jaguars. Josh Allen, who we'll talk about in a little bit.


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[Assistant] Has more sacks this season than Miles Garrett. Yep. Trayvon Walker was the number one overall pick last year. He hasn't fully figured out how to put pass rushing moves together with his physical prowess, but he's an elite physical specimen and has six sacks this season. Their defensive tackles have high pass rush win rates. They don't have a ton of sacks, but they're kind of forcing the quarterbacks to step out.


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[Assistant] So, based on how Jacksonville's defensive line is constructed, I think that


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[Assistant] When the Rams are able to pin their ears back and get after them. That won't be the case I think for four quarters on Sunday against Jacksonville, but I just think the way Jacksonville is able to get to the quarterback


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[Assistant] It gives a little bit of a different issue and problems for whatever Stefanski wants to run offensively because you can't just funnel your offensive line to protect one guy. We gotta cut off Aaron Donald, we'll live with the rest. So DTR in that sense may be a little bit of a better option than Flacco, but make no mistake, if I'm making the call, if I'm Kevin Stefanski, Joe Flacco's my guy and I'm not thinking twice about it.


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[Assistant] They may sit them two weeks because Jacksonville has the Browns this week, the Ravens next week, but then they end the season with Tampa Bay, Carolina, and Tennessee at home. So they have three, three games towards the end.


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[Assistant] The last game against Tennessee I know is home, uh, Jacksonville.


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[Assistant] Oh no, the final game of the season, I apologize, is in Tennessee. They are home against the Ravens and the Panthers at Tampa Bay, at Tennessee.


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[Assistant] Not great, windy conditions. That's why he was drafted. It's Joe, Casey Keeler said, it's Joe Flacco, and he's played, not only in Cleveland, he's phenomenal in Cleveland, we'll talk about that tomorrow. Ten and one? Something like that. Nine and two in his career in Cleveland. Nine and two. His numbers are very, very good, but a guy that has the arm strength,


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[Assistant] To cut through the wind. I mean, as a defensive back, did that actually make it? We hear it all the time.


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[Assistant] 18.3% of his passes against the Rams were into what PFF considered tight coverage, a tight window.


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[Assistant] There's 7th highest percentage of any quarterback. One out of five. Only one turnover worthy throw on those attempts, which means he was trying to fit him into tight windows, and he was placing the ball extremely accurately, which leads to a lot of success. I do have one more Flacco question for you guys though.


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[Assistant] Is there any chance we're getting a little too far ahead of ourselves on the Flacco hype based off one game? Yes. Especially when the fourth quarter, it was a great three quarters, the fourth quarter not nearly as good, and obviously there's situational reasons why the Rams knew they had to pass more. They understood it was a one dimensional offense at that point, but he was really good for three quarters, the fourth quarter not nearly as good.


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[Assistant] And I think it's this carousel he's careening back and forth.


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[Assistant] Flacco's here for the ride, for better or worse. I think this probably is one year with Cleveland. DTR is the long-term answer. Yes. We'd assume.


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[Assistant] If you had gone, let's say DTR is healthy just for the sake of this. If you had gone back to DTR then he performed poorly.


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[Assistant] And you pull him again and put Flacco in. I don't know if there's any going back to DTR for the rest of the season. But by letting, by letting Flacco just kind of ride out what he did against LA and seeing how long you could sustain that level of play. I mean, you go back to last season against the, uh, when he was in New York, his first two games were good, games three and four.


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[Assistant] Went down the hill, and part of it's because the offensive line was atrocious in New York.


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[Assistant] But he's also, he was 37 or 38 at the time, you know, he's older. There may not be as many, as much ammunition in the right shoulder as he once had, but you gotta let Flacco ride, and then if Flacco tails off, you go putting DTR back in.


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[Assistant] A strength hold on the AFC. I mean, you look at all the injuries, not just to the Browns who have suffered more than any other team, but Joe Burrows out, the Chargers suck.


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[Assistant] Josh Allen hasn't been Josh Allen. The Chiefs, for the first time in the last half decade, look relatively jetable.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna make a prediction. I think it's the first time in the show's history that the chat's gonna agree with Jay Crawford.


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[Assistant] Can we start with a different question to get to this? Sure. I just don't know how healthy Miles is.


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[Assistant] Now he's still at a decent PFF grade, Miles being on the field, just himself on the field, if he had two casts on his arm and two casts on his legs, he would still draw double teams on every pass rush attempt. So he has the, uh, he has the gravitational pull.


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[Assistant] That other guys don't have just by his mere presence. But I don't know if he's 50% healthy, 70% healthy, 90% or 30%. He said afterwards it didn't bother him.


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[Assistant] And Flacco wasn't dirty til the very end. The offensive line held up for three and a half quarters. That last seven minute stretch from the interception on and once they knew it was a pass situation, the Rams were able to pin their ears back and get after them. But based on my


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[Assistant] Jacksonville's left tackle got hurt on the same play Trevor Lawrence did. He did. Walker Little, who'd been playing very well this season, and he'd been in and out with Cam Robinson, they'd been switching left tackles, but when he'd been playing, he'd been healthy.


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[Assistant] I'm not sure who their left tackles. I haven't heard an update from Doug Peterson. They haven't given us one yet. Despite that...


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[Assistant] Just because I don't know how healthy Miles is. If you're telling me I get L.A. Miles versus Josh Allen we saw.


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[Assistant] Destroy Cincinnati's offensive line. He has seven sacks in his last four games. I don't know how you go against Josh Allen. He's been one of the hottest pass rushers in football over the last month. He has more sacks than miles on the season. These two win a head-to-head matchup. It's never, like Jay said, it's never them on the field against each other, but


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[Assistant] When you're going for these all pro votes, there's only four defensive end edge rusher spots.


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[Assistant] Miles is fifth in sacks now, Josh Allen's fourth. It's not a sack number that creates it, but.


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[Assistant] I just don't know how you go against Josh Allen in this sense because you have no certainty of how healthy Miles is. He said he was healthy after LA, but you can't tell when you watched that game and saw the same level of Miles Garrett that we had seen the previous couple weeks. And I'm not one to call Miles a liar. He shouldn't lie. He shouldn't say he's banged up. Don't give anything away, but.


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[Assistant] What percentage of health does Miles have to be? Do you think, is 90% of Miles, Josh Allen, is 85, 80, 70?


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[Assistant] So he ended up the season with 16 sacks and 16 games last year. But it took him a little bit to then get back on track. I think it was two slow weeks where he did really nothing, then a slow for miles week, and then he was kind of back.


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[Assistant] Uh, DeeDee, Amari Cooper is still going through concussion protocol recovering from a rib injury. He did not practice yesterday. We'll find out his status later today, but if he can't go against the Jaguars...


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[Assistant] Take the joke out, but I mean it is a massive loss if Amari can't go. He is more catches, yards, no, I think it's yards and touchdowns than every other receiver, not tight end, but every other receiver the Browns currently have on the roster. He's been their only reliable.


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[Assistant] Outside threat really, so if he can't go, whether it's Flakka or DTR, they're gonna have to make up some ground. And more, Tillman.


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[Assistant] Marquis Goodwin hopefully is back, like those guys have to step up in a big way.


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[Assistant] That, I mean, I'll hand up my bet. I underestimated his importance to the overall play of this defense. Really?


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[Assistant] Well I knew it was really good, I didn't think the drop off from Ward to no Ward was still Emerson and Newsom would be as bad as it was the last two weeks.


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[Assistant] Quick, and my actual question on war, not just getting it back, was last two weeks.


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[Assistant] The Browns have played way more zone coverage than they had man coverage. And obviously that makes sense because you don't have your best man cover guy in Denzel. And the Rams and the Broncos both took advantage of that. Getting Ward back. And you know Jim Schwartz better than I do.


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[Assistant] He stopped blitzing and he's playing more his own. Do you expect him to get back to the more aggressive front and aggressive scheme that we saw earlier in the season or do you think?


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[Assistant] Wait, state the question. The question was, and G. Bush let us know at 10 this morning he wasn't coming in, so this was the G. Bush cook especial, but, you're not getting a ton of production from Dean Wade. You're not getting a ton of production from Isaac Kikoro. Stroos.


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[Assistant] Playing well. Levert's playing well and the Yang's getting better, but his numbers aren't there.


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[Assistant] You look at what Amani Bates is doing in the G League, and if you don't know, I'll give you the numbers. He's averaging 27.4 points per game. That is number one.


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[Assistant] In the entire G League, 27.4. He's shooting 45% from the floor. 45% from three. In six games this season. Six games.


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[Assistant] It's phenomenal. On 11 attempts per game. He's averaging 4.7 rebounds, 1.8 steals, 1.7 blocks. Don't ask me about the cyst, cause I ain't gonna tell you, cause it sucks.


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[Assistant] And examples. There's no defense in the G League.


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[Assistant] Defense is optional. It's defense optional. I think it's why they changed it from the D-League to the G-League because defense is frankly just optional. Right. What does translate though is, is shooting. It's the same three point line.


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[Assistant] And this is a compliment and the downside of Amani Bates. It's not like they're running plays for Amani Bates. It is Amani Bates going one on one.


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[Assistant] So it's a lot of up and down, which is why the scores are high.


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[Assistant] A lot of students, but I think when you're going, like, let's say me and Tyrus play on one-on-one, and Imani Bates is very good in these one-on-one situations. That's what he was good at coming out of college, that's what we knew he was good at. It's not like a dude's just letting him shoot over him. When it's one-on-one, you're getting Isolde out.


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[Assistant] There's a little bit of pride on the line there too. Sure. And the fact that Amani is shooting 45% from 3.


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[Assistant] So is it transferable? The answer right now is no. Because Imani Bates is a 1 on 1 player. If you watch any Cavs games, what's the last thing they need more of?


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[Assistant] So stylistically, it is not transferable? No. Is the shot making transferable? Yes. Is the ability to create a shot transferable? Yes. Is his, he's actually, he's hustling on defense. You don't just walk into two blocks and two steals per game. I'm telling you that. Is effort transferable? Yes. And five rebounds too. Stylistically though?


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[Assistant] So that's 7.4 minutes per game he's played, not 7 minutes.


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[Assistant] The reality is, and if G. Bush was here, G. Bush is kinda on to something here. Right now you're getting nothing from Dean Wade. Zero, zilch, nada. That's what I'm saying, I'm agreeing with you and G. Bush. I was literally telling you.


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[Assistant] And, and he does have a crucial role. What he does, Amani Bates can't do. They are very different players. They're both shooters, but Niang is a really good help to vendor. His rebound numbers aren't there, but his boxout rate's phenomenal. And he's a glue guy. You ask anyone on the team, and I was talking to some of the Cavs coaches this past week, he gave a speech after practice in Golden State.


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[Assistant] That they think could be like the, the kind of the spark of this team and Chris Vidor.


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[Assistant] How many more games we got left? Back to the Imani Bates part.


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[Assistant] You have minutes in Dean Wade that you're playing, you're getting nothing from. You have a couple other guys, and we've seen Craig Porter, they've tried to get him in. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Imani Bates is on a two-way contract. So he has NBA games where he's going to play. There are going to be situations where Imani Bates is asked upon to play a bigger role for the Cavs. And maybe it's on a road trip. It'll come and go. He can only play so many games in the NBA, so he can't come up too early. What is that number? Do you know? It's 50.


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[Assistant] The G League season is shorter, so they could be trying to save games. Right. But how Imani Bates does fit in is on the second unit.


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[Assistant] When either Darius or Mitchell is out, and especially if Laverte's hurt, and Laverte's been in and out of the lineup, when Laverte's on the court with either Garland or Mitchell, there's just not a lot of ball handling duties to go around elsewhere. That's why Craig Porter's been such a good fit, because he actually doesn't need the ball to be a successful option on defense, he does other things. If Laverte's out,


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[Assistant] That second unit minutes alongside a Garland or a Mitchell is where I think Imani Bates can fit in because you need someone else who can create some offense. Struz isn't a creator by himself. Yang's not a creator by himself. Don't get me started on Mobley and Allen. You can't play offense.