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[Assistant] I mean, it's hard to tell what the Dolphins are. Uhm, you'd like to see them with like a healthy two and what that looks like after a 3-0 start. I mean, we forget they beat the Bills.


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[Assistant] Like, they beat the Bills. If you think the Bills are the best team in the FC East, Miami beat them with a healthy Tua. So I just...


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[Assistant] I kind of look at it and go, alright, like, we'll see what they look like, how they can recover from all this, but right now you have to give the Jets their prop. They're second in the AFC East.


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[Assistant] I wouldn't like ask people on social media for their opinion on anything in life. So why would I pay attention to their opinion on anything?


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[Assistant] You know what I'm saying? Like, why would you listen to someone that you would never actually ask for their advice in the first place?


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[Assistant] That's always, yeah. That's the world you live in. Like you're trying to, you know, do stuff in social media. Like I personally feel like it's awful for society, but again, that's just me.


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[Assistant] By the way, I'm glad we're wasting time on my, the one time I come on a week to talk about social media. Like it's such a good use of our time considering I have to go into studio after this and it's going to take me longer than normal because it's raining in South Florida and of course when it rains in South Florida, people act like it's a blizzard. Like they cannot drive on the roads, which is extremely frustrating.


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[Assistant] Being that I'm from the Midwest, and like obviously I've driven in those conditions before, and so then driving in rain is like nothing down here. But you would be shocked at how people handle the rain.


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[Assistant] That doesn't count for CBS, like what you're actually paid to do. You're just being a nice guy and going on other people's podcasts.


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[Assistant] But here's the thing I'll say about Pete. He's not wrong. He's not wrong though. You used to write, you used to do a little bit more.


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[Assistant] That was, that was the, so here's the other thing is, if you ever listen to the initial sound bite, here's what's funny about it, is we were still talking about Deshaun Watson, like maybe, not knowing what the hell was going to happen with that during the season. That's how long ago it was. So the interesting thing about it is,


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[Assistant] And we've pointed this out, even after the Jets won their third game or three and two, the adjusted win total before the season was like five and a half, six.


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[Assistant] That's, so that's all I'm pointing out is, if you don't think they're gonna hit the over on that now with four wins,


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[Assistant] I mean, we have content with Jerry Jones, and we're gonna waste time talking about


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[Assistant] As we found out on Twitter by the way, from someone that apparently...


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[Assistant] You've, you've, you've been getting longer with your rants or your tangents to begin segments.


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[Assistant] I mean, I, I don't know, maybe, I guess, probably not. I mean, that's what everyone's claiming this to be, right? I just, I look at it and go like...


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[Assistant] Let me just put it this way. Right now, Bill Belichick's flying out of the radar, and he's like low-key a gangster for basically what he did this offseason. Like, he took a guy who's never called plays before in the NFL, and he made Matt Patricia an OC.


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[Assistant] We're number one scoring team. Like, golf is playing phenomenal. They looked lost out there. And again, you go back to even the Browns game, like kind of shutting down the rushing attack to a degree.


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[Assistant] I just, I, I think you have to be impressed by what they've done so far. And it's like a typical New England thing. They're like, Hey, this, what was Matt Patricia's major? What was he like?


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[Assistant] It's like a rocket engineer. It's like, yeah, I'm pretty sure if you figure out how to call defense and get a head coaching job at the NFL, he'll figure out how to call offense too. Like, I'm pretty sure we're okay there. Like, Elon Musk called him during the off season. He was like, hey, do you want to come work for SpaceX?


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[Assistant] I'll think about it, but uh, I got, I can't wear the pencil over my ear. And if I, if I go be an OC, even though I'm not named that, so I'm still getting my money from Detroit, Bill's gonna let me call plays. That sounds like it'd be a lot more fun than building rocks for Elon. Like that's essentially what's happened this off season.


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[Assistant] And he's, he's getting a rookie who, I want to downplay Bailey Zappi. Like anyone who watched Bailey Zappi at Western, you're like, oh, this dude can sling it. Like there's a, there's a lot of guys like that at the college level you watch and go, okay.


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[Assistant] And Bailey Zappi's found himself in the perfect situation and circumstance because this team has now been built out around Mac Jones' skillset, which just happens to be the exact same skillset as Bailey Zappi. Like they're clones of one another. Like they could be stepbrothers, or like they could be brothers.


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[Assistant] You're karate in the garage together. But by the way, Taekwon Thornton is coming back healthy. Like you see some of that big playability from him.


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[Assistant] He's a load to try to tackle anyway. So yeah, I think you gotta give the Patriots a lot of credit. Like you asked who's the second best team in the FC East. I said the Jets. Like, we get to see this team score off here in a couple weeks. We'll see what that looks like. It's gonna be interesting.


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[Assistant] First off, at least you're taken seriously at all, right? Like the Jets fans haven't taken anything I've said seriously. All I've tried to point out is maybe the other side. Like, let's say the Jets were, let's say they were 2 and 4 right now.


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[Assistant] Would anyone in the Jets fanbase be saying, you know what, great job. You know, you saw this coming, we wanted to award you for the fact that we weren't as good as you. Like no, of course not. Or if the season falls apart from like here on out, and let's say I don't-


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[Assistant] So let's just kind of look at the whole spectrum here. So Jim Ursay, who some of his transgressions have been rather public.


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[Assistant] He might feel like, well, was Dan Snyder digging up on me? Nothing. Everything I do is public, right? I'll put out some music videos where I'm leaning up against a tree, potentially drunk, but it looks like he's singing or something. And I'm not sure if you've seen that by the way. It is gold. Absolutely gold.


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[Assistant] But at this point, like Jim Earthsay might be like, ah, I'm an open book, you know, so go ahead and find whatever dirt you want on me. There also was a conversation that he had.


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[Assistant] They talked about this afterwards with Paul Tagliabue and I believe Eddie DiBartolo, who did, if I'm not mistaken, lose, you know, uh, you know, lose the franchise.


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[Assistant] And one of the things that he kind of talked about was how it's an honor. It's a family business. He obviously inherited the business and it reflects poorly.


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[Assistant] On him and the other owners when you have an owner who's operating in a certain manner and you have the opportunity to do something and you don't do anything about it.


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[Assistant] You talked about tarnishing the shield. I mean, I know as a player, that's one of the first things they talked about. The rookie symposium was what that NFL shield represents and what, what you mean to an organization as a player until you tarnish that shield. And that's how quickly you can be gone from the league for doing something stupid off the field.


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[Assistant] With Jim Earthsay and then the contrast of Jerry Jones. He's like, ah, I don't know. It's probably all the media making stuff up. It's like, yeah, Jerry.


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[Assistant] Don't bring those sniffing dogs around me, you know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] By the way, that's one of the bigger trees he's posted up against. There's, there's other ones that like, I think it's smaller and like the tree starts to give way, but.


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[Assistant] I mean, isn't that just majestic? I mean, I don't know who he's singing to, but just two dudes looking at you, playing guitar, you own an NFL franchise, like life is good, man.


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[Assistant] You with the shades of the cowboy and your past transgressions being one of the, uh,


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[Assistant] Given your fraternity history that we've heard about from time to time, I think, uh, Ryan and I have the guitars and we're just looking at you in adornment of...


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[Assistant] I mean when you have that much cash on you, who doesn't put it in a laundry bag?


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[Assistant] I don't, but I do recall there being something going on there, like the blue hair, look at that.


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[Assistant] Do we not have a show, a photo of him? And by the way, you know, Jim mercy is a trendsetter.


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[Assistant] Until Jim Ursay hung their AFC finalist banner.


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[Assistant] You know, not many people have caught on to that yet. I mean, maybe it will eventually catch on.


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[Assistant] Which, someone told me this, I don't know if it's true, but, you know, obviously, living in Florida.


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[Assistant] They're like, yeah, you don't have to, you don't have to use your turn signal to change lanes.


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[Assistant] Well man, because I've been driving on 95 often. That's not true.


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[Assistant] That'd probably make sense. But then, but then I was like, wow, I must be wrong because I'm going to change the lane and use my turn signal. No one else is doing it.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeaah, and by the way, you don't know if he had a musical genius in that moment, maybe he like stopped to write down some lyrics, and he was like, alright, like I'm kind of feeling the moment, feeling the tunes, they had to stop again to write down lyrics, like, you don't know his, his artistic process.


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[Assistant] I swear to God, at one point my wife looked at me and she goes, is there a bird? I go, no, that was just, that was Will.


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[Assistant] I'm just saying, I think Jim Orsay may not be as good as he once was, but he's as good once as he ever was. Like, I think he wins in that fight.


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[Assistant] Okay, he's got a lot of those. Yeah. He could easily like be like Gronk and dent one. What does it matter?


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[Assistant] Uh, okay, so. Oh yeah, we should probably be serious about this for a second. So.


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[Assistant] So let me just start off with this. So Roger Goodell's been paid 128 million the past two years, alright, in compensation. Now a lot of that's been structured based on bonuses, and that's I think one of the issues that Jerry Jones has, and those bonuses are tied to a number of things, but Jones's issues, they're too vague.


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[Assistant] And I kinda tend to agree with what Jerry Jones is saying and granted I work for multiple networks so I can kinda speak to this. Jerry Jones played a huge role.


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[Assistant] In the NFL growing and the TV rights deals growing and helping Fox Sports, which obviously next to CBS and NBC and obviously ABC ESPN, uhm, you know, get, get the package and become what it is. Like he's, he played a big role with Fox Sports.


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[Assistant] So there is a lot of validity to his argument of like, dude, we're paying this guy a ton of money.


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[Assistant] And let's be real, like the NFL, it's the most valued sport and whether Roger Goodell is doing the negotiation with the TV networks or not, it's probably gonna require a ton of money.


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[Assistant] So either way, like, I don't, I just, I, you could put a lot of people in that position, and if you're basing on his success of the TV rights deals,


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[Assistant] I'm just saying, man, like I think Jerry Jones has a point. Like that thing is going to sell itself. I mean, I'll put it this way. How many bad owners would you say there are bad organizations that are on the league? Like at least 10 that at least 10, right? They can't help themselves. They still make money.


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[Assistant] If they were bad in their businesses, they'd go out of business. They'd lose money until they were just like, all right, we got to set up shop and move forward. We have countless organizations that the NFL was so good at making money that bad ownership doesn't matter.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, like cheap, just running a business, not really trying to ex, you know, exhaust all for someone at Super Bowl. 100% would agree with that. Like, probably like, honestly, yeah. Jaguars and Texans.


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[Assistant] You can say that about the Bengals, but the reality is they won the Super Bowl last year. They did spend once they got Borough and all that, but uhm, I think every year you can look at like, probably 8 or 10 organizations ago, they're not really competitive, but they're still gonna make money. And you can't see that in any other industry. So the point is more similar to someone in Roger Goodell's position.


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[Assistant] I'm just saying, if you're basing it on the TV rights and the success of the TV rights, Jerry Jones has a point. Like, you should be more specific with what exactly you're looking for as far as performance bonuses from Roger Gadella to pay him this ridiculous amount of money. 128 million in two years! That's effing absurd!


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[Assistant] Sure, he's, he really is, is honestly just kind of, you can make the case that he's guiding it, but also it's a lot of like ownership too.


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[Assistant] I mean, people always thought, you know, going back in the day, um, Paul Tagliabue and Gene Upshaw had like a buddy-buddy kind of relationship, right? And they almost thought like they were too close. Like maybe there's, they were too friendly.


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[Assistant] DeMarie Smith has gotten taken to the mat every single time by Roger Goodell. It's not even close. Like every single time the NFL wants something, they get it in the negotiation with the CBA. And every time, they win every time. Now, the NFLPA has made some incremental improvements in some ways.


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[Assistant] But when Dean Marie Smith initially took over, he gave up a lot. And every single time the NFL comes back, they'll give a little bit, but they always get what they want ultimately. 17th game, additional team to play off on each side. However you want to talk, a long term deal. Like if you're the NFL PA, you want to keep clawing back into it, you do a five, six year deal, right?


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[Assistant] Not the NFL, not the NFL. They're like, nope, it's going to be a long-term deal and we'll come to an agreement with this.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think if you're measuring it based on that.


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[Assistant] He's, he's done a great job at winning the negotiations, which is obviously a huge part of the job. Uhm, you talked about taking a lot of the bad press. He's, he's done that well. Uhm, and so look, has the league been any healthier than it is right now? No, but like how much of that is the foundation that he laid?


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[Assistant] I mean, I don't know how much has, I guess I'll put it this way. I don't know that you make the case that since he took over that it wasn't already heading in that direction. And so all I'm trying to say is if Jerry Jones points, it's too vague. We're paying him a lot of money for what pretty much anyone could do. One day we'll find out, although.


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[Assistant] I don't think he's giving up this job anytime soon, even though he's talked about not wanting to do this forever. But the other thing is, is, you know,


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[Assistant] It was kind of already on that track record anyway. At least that's where professional sports are in our society. NFL's king.


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[Assistant] Especially the way everything's happening. Cord cutting, uhm, looking at what rates. I mean, I think we've seen now it's live events. It's news, it's sports. Those are the two things that rate.


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[Assistant] And that's what every single TV network is trying to get right now. And if you're a streaming network.


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[Assistant] You're trying to get exclusive content, create exclusive content, whether it's video on demand or like being able to binge watch like originals and exclusive stuff to that streaming service. That's what they're trying to create or live sports. And then obviously everyone's trying to tap into gambling, which is something that it's new to us. It's existed over in Europe forever.


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[Assistant] And so now everyone's trying to tap into that as a potential revenue stream to pay for advertising dollars, et cetera. So all that was kind of already set up to succeed. Uhm, and again, I'm not trying to take away from, you know, Roger Goodell.


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[Assistant] A lot of people could have said like, okay, like, you know, how do we want to strategically go about doing this? And they probably would have done a good job. So.


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[Assistant] I just think the biggest takeaway to me is there should be more specific language as far as what his bonuses are, how he's paid, um, and it shouldn't be so vague where you just kind of generally looking at where the NFL sat and going, well, good job, Roger Goodell. That was all him. It really wasn't a lot of this stuff was laid down before he got there.


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[Assistant] An issue, if it, if it occurred in that timeframe is, if Deshaun Watson lied.


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[Assistant] To Roger Goodell in the NFL. And he told him that, no, there's nothing else. There's nothing else that's going to come out. And then it comes out again.


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[Assistant] Because he already lied to the NFL once, in talking about some of, you know, what had taken place and, I mean, even publicly, right? He had, you know, claimed that he didn't do anything wrong, then he eventually came back and apologized and was like, wait a second, in your apology you're still saying nothing wrong, then what are you apologizing for?


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[Assistant] There, there tended to be like a lot of just kind of wishy washy back and forth of how exactly is, is the NFL going to handle this? But, you know, it's a breaches point.


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[Assistant] It is during that time frame. I assume the NFL was aware of it. I mean, the Houston Texans settled with 30 individuals.


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[Assistant] So Watson, this is what his 25th lawsuit, 26, somewhere in that ballpark.


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[Assistant] You'd have to think that if the Houston Texans settled with 30.


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[Assistant] The NFL is aware of who those 30 other people are. And so they're understanding that, all right, there might be more people out there during this timeframe that have a different attorney. It's not Tony Busby and they're going to eventually file a lawsuit and carve out their own settlement to all this. That's probably out there. It would be interesting though to think.


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[Assistant] If something comes about or an accusation, allegation comes out.


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[Assistant] After that time period, how the NFL then goes about handling that, you know, do they just indefinitely suspend them until they find out more is the suspension.


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[Assistant] I mean, obviously for the rest of the season, you figure it out. I mean, things could get really, really complicated. I think the timing of why they chose now for that lawsuit is what's really interesting to me. Is why not do it earlier? Why not do it right after, you know, Busby settled, uh, with the Sean Watson or they settled the majority of them. Why would you, why would you file it now?


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[Assistant] But also, just go watch Tommy Boy, Black Sheep, uh, Beverly Hills White Ninja, Dirty Work, he plays a great role in Dirty Work. Uhm, I'm trying to think, what's some other...


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, look, I understand the point he's trying to make. It's just hard when you're trying to compare anything that you do


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[Assistant] In entertainment, which is really what sports are, right? Professional sports are.


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[Assistant] To people who are going to risk their lives to defend our country and like may not come back, uhm, obviously not something we don't compare it to, but I understand what he was trying to say. I mean, I would compare it more likely to like a boxer preparing for a big fight.


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[Assistant] Usually they leave their family, they go away for camp. You know, you're cutting your diet, you're watching all that, you're training, you're asleep. Every little thing is being measured and monitored.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that's basically more what he's talking about. Like once you start the season, once you get into training camp and all that, you don't see your family much. You know, my wife and I always have conversations about like ever getting into coaching.


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[Assistant] And it's funny, you know, I had the opportunity to call an NFL game a couple of weeks ago and just talk to some of my buddies who are coaching on different staffs.


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[Assistant] It's like that, that life just doesn't change. Like you, time to me is the most valuable asset you've got and you're never going to be able to get it back with your kids. And that's one of the toughest things is like these guys are sleeping.


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[Assistant] You get to talk to them for an hour, but then it's like, then you gotta go. You gotta get the hell out of here, right? Like, I mean, I know, I knew guys who like literally would video call their kids.


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[Assistant] They're 15 minutes away and they're video calling them because it's Tuesday, Wednesday, maybe even Thursday and they're not going to see them until Friday and over the weekend between whatever the schedule is with their game coming.


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[Assistant] Like it is just a different, different career and job, especially in season.


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[Assistant] So again, like I understand what he was trying to say, but that's one of those like just you can't compare it to the brave men and women who serve our country.


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[Assistant] It is, right? Like it, it's a little off. I mean, Arizona at home, is it at a point and a half now?


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[Assistant] Yeah, both, both teams are two and four. It's the short week. Arizona's playing home. You think it's at least three, if not more than that, three and a half, right? Hopkins comes back. They just trade for Robbie Anderson. And I get it. Like.


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[Assistant] Um, but if you're looking at this, you should be thinking, wait a second, Cardo should be at least a three point, if not three and a half point favorite in this case, in my opinion, with what they have coming back and what the Saints don't have. And by the way, Dolan and Winston, I believe are both taking reps because they're both kind of banged up.


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[Assistant] So look, I think honestly the funny thing about this line is, it says a few things to me. One, what they think of the Saints defense, and probably what they think of the Arizona Cardinals offense.


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[Assistant] But also, Tayson Hill. Like, Tayson Hill being able to do enough in this game as a quarterback, tight end, whatever you're going to put him in, position you put him in, to actually give the Saints a shot. Which is kind of surprising.


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[Assistant] I'm more curious to see what lift Hopkins gives the Cardinals. I think they're the worst first half team the Cardinals are on offense based on EPA.


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[Assistant] And then they're like first in the second half, or they're close to the worst in the first half.


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[Assistant] No, I look at all the stats, it's just, it's only when it's kind of interesting or applicable. And in this case, you're going, how could that be the case? How can you be so bad in the first half?


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[Assistant] We're at least like the first quarter, all those plays you're running, you've, you've scripted, you've practiced, like you really haven't gotten into your adjustments until probably heading into the end of the first, second quarter. Like everyone thinks you wait for halftime. The NFL, you're making adjustments every series. You don't wait for halftime. Oh boys, get it together. Let's go talk about it. You're always making adjustments.


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[Assistant] But that's the crazy thing is like you practice and prepare it all week and then basically you're like, oh, that's just garbage.


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[Assistant] It's either that or just Caller Murray just being like, F this, I'm going to run around everywhere and just make plays with my legs, which is what's happening in none of those cases. But I, I don't know. I look, the Cardinals are a really interesting team to me because everyone's down on them. Like people are, we're making fun of Caller Murray with the Call of Duty and the correlation there with his production.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I don't know, maybe? I mean, the NFC West, no one's running away with that.


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[Assistant] And I think if you, if you really look, like look at their schedule, alright, if you could, if you don't mind pulling it up.


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[Assistant] Because they're two and four. I didn't really think they'd be much better than three and three. Right. Maybe four and two, but like I had a more three and three because I think either between a divisional game on the road in Seattle or the Philly game at home. I'm like, yeah, they'd probably win one of those two. They lost both. They lost to Philly at home by what? Three. I mean, that was tight game.


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[Assistant] And then they lose to Seattle on the road, which looks better than we thought this year. Like those young defensive players come along, Tariq Wolin looks awesome. Uh, Geno Smith's been phenomenal. So they're a little better than we expected, but I think if you're going to pick a game, Seattle is going to beat Arizona, probably in Seattle.


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[Assistant] Well, I guess that's the point I'm trying to make is what loss to you is shocking. I mean, I didn't have them beating the Chiefs at home. I didn't have them beating the Rams at home. Now the Rams aren't as good as we thought they might be, but like when you really break down their schedule.


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[Assistant] I like the chances versus the Raiders. I thought they'd beat Carolina. And I thought again, they'd win either Philly or Seattle. They lost both. So two and four. Like they're not that far off from where I think we thought they'd be. And they're getting back their best player, Deandre Hopkins. So we'll see what kind of lift he can provide them.


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[Assistant] Dude, look at the way things are setting up right now. I mean, look, the NFC East has not really started playing each other a ton.


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[Assistant] So that, eventually that division's gonna simmer down. They're, they're above 500 now. They've all been really good between Philly and, uh, obviously, you know, Dallas you just lost and then the New York Giants. Uhm, I know the commanders aren't, aren't really much of a factor in all of it, but I still think you look at it as being one.


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[Assistant] The point is, is like, I don't know that anyone's running away right now on the NFC. And I think that lends you to think, there might be some nine and eight football teams that, that get in this wild card teams based on tie breaking scenarios. And when you start to look down this list of teams they play.


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[Assistant] There's going to be some teams that they're in competition with for that. So it's going to be really interesting to see like what lift Hopkins will give him and then what lift like Robbie Anderson is going to give him. And by the way, now it looks like Marquise Brown might not be out for the rest of the season. It looks like a six week injury.


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[Assistant] I mean, can you imagine the speed they're going to have with Hopkins out there, Brown, Anderson, and then Rondale Moore? That's, I mean, my God, like just throw the ball up downfield somewhere. Someone's going to run and go get that ball. So.


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[Assistant] I'm kinda fascinated to see what happens with the, uh, Cardinals the rest of the way. Although in this game, like, the line looked off to me. Like at minus two, I think I take the two points and I'm like on the other side of this one, just not knowing what to expect. But again, that, maybe you don't with all the other things.


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[Assistant] And then you just stay away from the spread until you figure out more. Like especially, you know, before game time.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of words out there to match up with Hopkins, like that's a problem. Hopkins is gonna go off.


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[Assistant] He should. I mean, you gotta have fresh legs, man. Fresh legs.


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[Assistant] Here's the thing is they always try to make our heads even, and I'm like...


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[Assistant] You know what the weird thing is about Pete is, Pete will like rag on short quarterbacks. And I was like, Pete, like, what's up with that, man? Like, shouldn't you prove to him?


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[Assistant] It's just like, can you be a fan of Calamari or like Bryce Young? He's too small. I'm like, Pete, have you watched the tape though? I think he's pretty special.


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[Assistant] Thousand bucks for every Jets win. We're donating, babe. We're helping out charities. Let us know what your charities are so we... And they gotta be legitimate. Again, no way my cousin Vinny's got this thing with this guy and they help out these people, you know, like none of that stuff. They gotta be legitimate charities like we've helped out the last two weeks. So here's to it. Here's to another Jets win.


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[Assistant] Well, we're laughing because of how we walked right into the show, but Will, we gotta talk about the history that was made this week. Aaron Judge, I mean, 62 home runs, just amazing.


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[Assistant] Talk about what no one can unsee, which was Barry Bonds jacking up, what, was it 73, 73 home runs? I mean, I, I will never forget that. I remember watching that season. I remember watching the McGuire, Sosa Eras.


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[Assistant] And I understand, like, we're gonna go back, talk about PEDs, okay. The reality is you can't unsee that. And, and that's the record in my mind. So look, it's an AL record, that's great. I feel like the MLB has even pivoted to that take.


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[Assistant] But I know it's, it's a hot button topic for a lot of people. Like a lot of people are like, oh, he's clean. Is he? Like five years from now, like if we find something out, like how are you going to look back on this? And beyond that for a sport that like, we're going to condemn players for


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[Assistant] You know, taking PEDs, which obviously like that's all kind of on the league to police that because it was rampant at that point in time. Everyone's doing it. Even the guys throwing to them.


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[Assistant] Now it's like, well, they, they manufacture the baseballs, like they can control whether or not those baseballs have a little extra pop off the bats and they want to increase some of those numbers. So like, where do we draw the line with MLB? And I know it's a football podcast, but it has recent, you know, history.


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[Assistant] His forearms were so big, people stopped even looking at his face or what was in his locker. I mean, that, that bat looked like a toothpick in his hands when he was up there. I mean, it was, look, it was fun. Like that was what I was growing up. I was like, man.


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[Assistant] I wanted to have a swing just like Sammy Sosa's. Like I remember like trying to like emulate what he was doing to kind of like time up, like adjust off speed, but like absolutely demolish any fastball that came over the plate.


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[Assistant] You know, not to defend him, but you know, maybe he didn't, wasn't on a training regiment. You know, maybe he found Bob Baffert and Bob Baffert, you know, allowed him to.


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[Assistant] That's why I think you needed, I think all these guys needed like a Bob Baffert to come out and create this really crazy way in which they could possibly test positive for PEDs or maybe-


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[Assistant] Bob Baffert's been like, you know, sometimes, sir, do you see how big Barry Bond's head has gotten?


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[Assistant] Do you ever notice how like your ears, your nose, everything else starts to get bigger as you get older? Like, I just...


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[Assistant] Like, I look at Prisco, and like every time I walk into the studio, every week, as the older he gets, which happy birthday, Pete Prisco, for those of you watching on, on Wednesday, October 5th, it's gonna be daylight if you're listening on the 6th, but uhm, you know, his ears and nose keep getting bigger. You know, it's like, it's like, it's Pinocchio out there.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you wanna let me just go and then you're gonna gotta chime in from time to time like you do? Yeah, sounds fine.


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[Assistant] Well okay, so let me ask you this. Have I ever say the Jets are gonna go 0 and 9? Have I ever said that on the show?


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[Assistant] So even on my radio show, I never said they would go 0 and 9.


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[Assistant] The discussion was, I said they're closer to an 0 and 9 team than a 9 and 0 team, and they've got a really difficult schedule the first 9 games. Now, Jets fans, who have somehow misconstrued that, because one of the clips that someone sent me, I was like, I literally say in the beginning, I think they'll win probably 5 games, bet the under for the amount of games they'll win this year.


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[Assistant] And the reality is, look, they're a two and two football team. Kudos to them. Now we could go through every, each one of those wins and go, well, it was fairly improbable that you were going to actually beat the Browns. And maybe that's more of the Browns throwing away a game than the Jets winning the game. But again, road victory, Jets won it, give them credit.


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[Assistant] Correct. 2,000 in like 29 games. And the last team to do it was the Browns before then. So, anyway.


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[Assistant] And then this past week, you know, the Steelers have a lead, they give up the lead, their wide receivers start volleyball setting balls to the secondary with the Jets. I mean, look, it was a good comeback.


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[Assistant] I thought Zach Wilson played literally his best football, his best quarter in the fourth quarter. Best quarter of his career. Best quarter of his career so far. Give him a lot of credit. Now if you just watched the first three quarters, you would have found that shocking given how the first three quarters looked the way he played. That being said, they get the two and two.


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[Assistant] So there's this like misconception that I hate the Jets or thought they were gonna go winless to the first nine games. That wasn't anything close to what I said. And in fact, on radio, and I think on this, we talked about their schedule, I said this next week's game's winnable.


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[Assistant] I said the Browns game was winnable given the Watson probably wouldn't be playing. And I said the Steelers were gonna be winnable because I don't think the Steelers are that good this year. So, so far all those things have come true. Now the interesting thing is, and I brought this up before,


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[Assistant] And one of the reasons why I said they were closer to an 0-9 team than a 9-0 team is...


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[Assistant] Tell me how many games the Jets have been favored this year so far.


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[Assistant] Now this week, they're hosting the Miami Dolphins. Two Atonga Velo is not starting. Will, what's the line on that game? The Dolphins are favored by three and a half points. If there was ever a time you would think that they would be favored, wouldn't this be it?


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[Assistant] At home, you're facing a backup quarterback in Teddy Bridgewell and the Dolphins. And you just came off a good road win. You're coming back home now.


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[Assistant] I mean, look, people can point at me. It's not me. Clearly, there's an idea out there that people don't believe in the Jets.


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[Assistant] And so Robert saw those guys, they could all keep all the receipts they want. And I'm actually picking the Jets. I'll take the three points in the home dog this week.


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[Assistant] But the reality is, like, I don't hate the Jets. I have a lot of respect for a lot of the guys in that organization. Phil Savage is in that organization. Rex Hogan. Phil who drafted me in Cleveland. Rex who actually was at Notre Dame when I was there. Robert Sala who have been around. A lot of respect for him. There's a number of people in that organization. So here's what I'm gonna do. Here's what I'm gonna do.


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[Assistant] For every win over their two wins right now, the rest of the season.


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[Assistant] I'm going to donate a thousand dollars to a charity every single week. And here's how we're going to do it. For every five star review to the pick six podcast, we're going to have people throw in what charity they want that money to go to after a Jets win.


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[Assistant] You will then have to pick six podcasts aside and every single week, every win over the two wins they currently have right now. So three, four, five, however many they end up getting this year, I'll donate a thousand bucks to a charity. So I'm going to take all of the hates.


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[Assistant] From the Jets fans, and all the crap that they've been talking on social media and all that, and just say, hey look, let's take something, you know, that's been a little ugly with how they've, you know, responded, and let's make it into something good.


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[Assistant] I think, I think of next week. I think I'll be donating a thousand bucks next Wednesday when we make that decision. Uh, or at least we'll announce what charity it's going to. But there it is. For all the Jets fans, if you're thinking of leaving them or Zach Willis or whatever else, there it is. I'm donating to charity on behalf of the Jets fan base and the New York Jets success this season.


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[Assistant] The wins were, look, on the road, improbable. They found a way to win. I mean, that's honestly, I think when you go back and look at any season, you can say there's a few wins that we should have probably not had, and there's maybe a few losses that, you know, should have been wins. That's how, that's how it works. I think the more interesting thing is, can they build off this momentum for a young team?


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[Assistant] I did say, I think New England's a winnable game. I mean, you might have a third string quarterback starting for New England.


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[Assistant] Well, again, I need to see it to believe it. So I think the Miami game, New England game, it's two thousand bucks right there. You know, a thousand bucks to a couple of chairs. I love it.


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[Assistant] The charities have to be legitimate, all right? They can't be like someone's uncle that you get to come in and end up donating to, all right?


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[Assistant] Like is that a bad move if you do a sequel and you're, or not even a sequel, but you do like a reboot and you're trying to follow in Chevy Chase's footsteps?


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[Assistant] He's up there. He's definitely up there. I mean, Bill Murray's up there for me if you want to go back to some of the old school action.


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[Assistant] Eddie Murphy, was it Delirious? Was that one of his first standups? Like I, to the, to this day, we'll go back and watch that. But, I mean, you go through the, yeah, anyway.


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[Assistant] Oh, for sure. I mean, this appellate show, which could never be done now. Half of Stand Up Now gets cancelled, so.


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[Assistant] It was like, we were in college, we used to sit around and watch it. That's what we think we did. Everyone was sitting around watching that show or sitting around watching like, you know, Best Of or other clips of it.


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[Assistant] That the, you know, there's, there's hardcore evidence. If you track when they started dating, go back to Christian McCaffrey's first season, we started getting banged up. They started dating, I think like that February, that spring. And ever since then, he's had an injury history. And so look, people can say what they want about it. I'm just saying.


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[Assistant] Go out and look, like when they started dating, all of a sudden the injury bug bit him. I was like, I get it. I know exactly where he's going.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the trail of Burke's injury stinks, I mean that was one where you go, alright, like how are they gonna be able to overcome this? Uhm, but bottom line is like, Tannehill's starting to get into a flow, Derek Henry's starting to look like himself, I think the defense is adjusting to Harold Landry not being there too to help out, rushing off the edge. They're just settling into form, but the Jaguar's gonna be there.


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[Assistant] Pete and I talk about this every week and Pete honestly, look, I give him credit. He was bullish on them for a while now. He's kind of always been bullish on them with the exception of last season because he didn't, you know, didn't like Coach Meyer, but, um, he's, he's always kind of talked about their talent and some of the ability they've got.


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[Assistant] My concern for them moving forward is just, will they be able to sustain themselves running the football and protecting Trevor Lawrence? Like I think Doug Peterson's done a great job of scheming around that.


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[Assistant] But once you start getting the meat of some of these schedules, like that's going to be a problem for them moving forward. And I don't think they're very deep. So as we get into the season, if they suffer a number of injuries or a rash of injuries, that could be a team that kind of falls by the wayside rather quick.


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[Assistant] The Colts are like, that's the most disappointing. Like that's the one that I don't get it. I mean, obviously Jonathan Taylor being out hurts. You see them beat a team like Kansas City Chiefs and you're like, what the hell was that?


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[Assistant] Right, like, like, how does that happen? And people can go back and go, okay, well, whatever Chris Jones said to Matt Ryan, was that deserved of extending a drive that ultimately helped them win the game?


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[Assistant] And it is what it is, but the reality is they did get that one win and it always makes you scratch your head.


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[Assistant] Wait, go, how, how'd that happen? They've, they've looked so bad. They got shut out by the Jaguars, dude. Not only shut out by the Jaguars, but even like watching the versus Tennessee, I just felt like they were like helpless at times. And I know that game was gonna be a one score game in the end, but it didn't, it didn't feel that way watching it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was gonna say, and the weird thing is, is like, the offensive line for the Colts supposed to be a strike, they have not played well. I mean, that's all parties involved too, even some of the guys who are like all pros. So that's, that's a concerning thing, but to your


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[Assistant] Quinn Yeltsin got beat on one last week, but he didn't go out. These guys are going to get beat from time to time. You know, sometimes they're playing banged up too. Only those guys know what they're battling through. But to your point, like look at the Falcons right now.


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[Assistant] That offense looks miles ahead of where it was last year. And then you're looking at the courts going, oh.


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[Assistant] Like, this does not look like an upgrade from Carson Wentz. I mean, they were playing at a better club last year with Wentz, so I'm sure Jim Ursay somewhere is upset, leaning up against a tree, filming a music video, but...


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[Assistant] The reality is, this has not worked out. They tried to cast all their blame on Carson Wentz and not getting vaxxed. And now we look at Matt Ryan walk in the door and it's like, no, this is not working out either.


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[Assistant] Well look, with some of these owners, I think it's always on the table. He's one of them, you know, I think.


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[Assistant] Given some of his past discretions, transgressions, I mean.


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[Assistant] Uhm, they've got the veteran quarterback out now for what, three years or three times at least, right? Rivers, your guy, to Wentz, to Ryan and...


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[Assistant] At some point, I think you gotta be like, alright, like, maybe we need to look back really hard at the draft to find someone somewhere up high to come in and kind of build around, because uhm, it just, it hasn't worked. And look, it doesn't help either when you're, one of your best defensive players has been hurt a lot this year in Shaq Leonard, uhm, which also, I mean, he hasn't looked the same ever since the name change.


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[Assistant] They didn't have a first round pick this year. Are you the type of person that, like, if you would have changed something like that, you'd be like, ah, maybe I should change my name back, you know?


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[Assistant] Gotcha. Well wait, so is this like kinda similar to like the 8-24 of the Kobe? You know?


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[Assistant] Like when Kobe went from 8th in the 24, it's like people are like, oh no, it's like Kobe's 24 now, it's not 8. Some say I can view them differently. Like no, that was 24 Kobe, not 8 Kobe.


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[Assistant] I'll be honest with you, uh, not, don't really care either way, they have not been good this year, so.


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[Assistant] The roster's built well enough that they could give up almost an entire draft of picks to go find a guy or go get a guy. I just, I don't think they've had that draft where they've, they've had to do it. Now this would be that time where I'm not talking conspiracy theory here, but.


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[Assistant] Alright, if we're projecting the Colts and looking ahead to the 2023 draft, we're gonna have Anthony Richardson out of Florida, who, you know, look, going back and watching his Tennessee tape, that reminded me more of like what he's capable of as a passer. Uhm, he's...


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[Assistant] You know, he reminds me of a guy who I think has similar upside to what Josh Allen had.


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[Assistant] Tremendous athlete, probably more explosive than Alanis, uhm, also a very live arm.


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[Assistant] He's got some good fundamentals, the way he flips his feet, makes some throws, now he's still working on his touch, but Anthony Richardson to me, right now,


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[Assistant] Ooze is with talent and he's gonna attract a lot of attention regardless of how bad he's looked at times early this season. I think the more he plays, the better he'll get. Will Levis is up there out of Kentucky, even though he's struggled at times, the offensive line hasn't really protected him well. Uhm, he hasn't had much of a running game, so, uh, he's, he's had to kind of be a part of that, but he's got a strong arm, athleticism, all the stuff you're looking for.


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[Assistant] And then you have your CJ Stroud and your Bryce Young, who, you know, Stroud's a little bit more undersized, but he'll pick you apart, accurate as all get out, uhm, he's got a strong enough arm, he anticipates timing well. The only thing that I think when you watch his tape, you go...


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[Assistant] He's not really getting much pressure. You know, he doesn't like getting hit. The games I see him where he gets hit early doesn't quite look the same.


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[Assistant] And then Bryce Young, he's my favorite. I think he plays the position the best of all of them. He's NFL ready.


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[Assistant] It's just he's undersized and I don't know how a team is going to view that, especially considering he's got an AC joint injury right now that he's battling with. So those are the four guys they could potentially go after. And I think all four go in the first round next year. So if this is like the member that sucked for luck here, like it's a bad year to suck if you're the Indianapolis Colts.


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[Assistant] I mean, first off, the guy's trespassing and he was holding what, some sort of flare or whatever it was.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, how do you know he's not putting Bobby Wagner and the rest of the players in danger out there in the field? I would say if you enter that arena.


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[Assistant] It's on you, whatever happens next, because you're not in a place or an environment.


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[Assistant] That is conducive to you being safe. That is all I will say. I don't care if it's football, basketball, baseball. WNBA. I'll be honest with you. Hockey. I work in broadcasting. I wish there was a fan that ran on the field and came near me. I would absolutely take them down.


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[Assistant] It is the biggest waste of time, it is the most selfish thing you can do to try to draw attention to yourself instead of the players who've worked for that moment their entire lives, put themselves at physical risk, the coaches, everything else behind it, all the people in the crowd who came to watch the game and not you, get out of here with that BSU clown. I hope there's a counter suit or however that would even work, but I,


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[Assistant] It's the biggest joke and I'm tired of seeing this crap in sports when people do stuff like this and then they don't expect to face the consequences. So how about everyone wakes up and starts being accountable for their own decisions and stop being jackasses? That would be, that would be my two cents on it.


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[Assistant] If like a dude like that was running by, full on Anthony Schlegel back when he was the strength coach at Ohio State, who just hip tossed a dude. I mean, just slam him to the ground. I would love that opportunity to do that.


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[Assistant] No, there's nothing cool about it. Whatever you're protesting.


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[Assistant] Find some other way of grabbing attention. Cause the only thing everyone draws attention to now is I have no idea if the guy was protesting or what he was doing. I just know he got his ass laid out by Bobby Wagner. So good for Bobby Wagner. I already love the guy. I didn't think I could love him more. Uh, now he's my, my favorite linebacker. You know, like, like literally I'm like, thank God for Bobby Wagner.


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[Assistant] It'll be three and two after this week and then I don't know after that. They're probably losing at temperament.


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[Assistant] I'm, I'm, I'm buying what I see. I don't think it's sustainable. Cordero Patterson's out too now, which hurts because he's been phenomenal for them.


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[Assistant] But man, I mean, give credit to Arthur Smith and that crew, that team, like they have done an incredible job. So I'm buying what I think they will be in the future. I just, I don't know how many, I don't know how many more wins they got left in them.


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[Assistant] I know the game two last week where you kinda looked at Cleveland and were like, alright.


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[Assistant] So Fancy kinda mismanaged another game and maybe that was another one they should have, they should have won that they lost.


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[Assistant] Two hundred and twenty nine, two thousand and like twenty nine other times.


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[Assistant] Two and two and three times, like other teams found a way to win that game and yet the Browns did so.


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[Assistant] I think, look, they run a little bit of zone read, like you start mixing in those plays. I'm telling you, it simplifies what defenses can do. I say this all the time.


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[Assistant] You know, I think you go back to like the Chip Kelly days, when he even had Nick Foles do it, and you're like,


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[Assistant] If fools can't run the zone, read like, yeah, you can. Like when it's wide open enough and you spread the field the way they were doing.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it simplifies what you can do. No one's gonna play man against you.


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[Assistant] Cause once they play man against you, it's a ton of space. It's, it's 10 yards, 20 yards, big plays. So it, it simplifies the defenses. You see, you don't see much. It basically post high safety zone.


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[Assistant] And that's about it. Uhm, and, and then if you go to, if you're in a must pass situation and third and long or whatever, different story there, but for the most part, you see just a lot of zone coverage. You can pick teams apart.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, like I think you give Arthur Smith plenty of time. I mean, first off, you're missing one of your best players too in Calvin Ridley.


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[Assistant] I'm sure even they were curious to see how the season's gonna go. And it's probably gotten off to as good of a start or maybe a little better start than even they thought.


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[Assistant] So, you know, I'm not sure if this is a scenario where you see them fall off and then they find themselves in a great position to take a Bryce Young who happens to play football there in Tuscaloosa not too far away or any of the other quarterbacks I threw out earlier. But that's where I feel like this is kind of setting up.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, I mean, I just, my friend was a great coach.


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[Assistant] You know, people talk about Malik Willis time and all that. I'm like, he's pretty green. Like, once there's an injury and you see him going, he plays really well. I think you have to change the offense a lot, uh, because of the type of RPOs, the amount of RPOs he ran during his time at Liberty. I just think it'd be a hard transition for him unless you're really...


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, he's been as consistent as can be. He's played off, you know, he takes off and runs and, you know, does things like that. You know, I know they haven't been able to get it done in the playoffs and maybe there's frustration there, but that's not all on Tenenhall either.


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[Assistant] And they don't have arguably their best player out there in DeAndre Hopkins. So you're, you're a quarter in the season, a little less with 17 games and you're two and two and you got to feel like the Rams don't look like they're running away with it right now. Seattle looks more competitive than we thought. I actually think there's better upside down the 49ers that with the most recent when they are the favorite to win that division. But you know, I think I'm a little more.


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[Assistant] When Hopkins get in there and he can help out, Rondale Morris missed a little bit of time too. AJ, you know, they obviously lost AJ Green this season, but like JJ Watt, like that whole situation going on there, that's terrifying, you know, and we're going like, what's that the rest of the season? But I'm buying where they're at. They found ways of winning games and Kyler Murray, dude, it's tough to close out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think they'll get it together. I mean, I think Matt Stafford's been a little bit out of sync. Obviously, he leads the league in interceptions. He's turned the football over too much. That's no, no crap comment, but the offensive line's been banged up. That's been an issue. The protection hasn't been as good. The problem is once you get into the season, that's not changing.


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[Assistant] You kind of have to go about it like one of three ways. Either you as the player and the coordinator have to start to really adapt your scheme and run more seven man protections and try to get the ball out of his hand quick if you're going to run five man protections.


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[Assistant] You gotta start hammering away running the football. Provide more balance. You realize Cam Akers and Daryl Henderson. Uhm, or you basically just say, alright, like,


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[Assistant] We're gonna have to live with this and it's gonna have to like, like, there's gonna be certain weeks where, you know, we, we're gonna have to maybe, you know, say like, hey, Matt, you gotta tough up tough enough. I'd eat an extra pork chop there at dinner and beep up because it could be a long season. And, uh, we're gonna have to deal with this the rest of the year. Oh, thank God I have this extra pork chop.


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[Assistant] Load up on some, uh, little apple chutney for, uh, those pork chops. All right.


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[Assistant] I'm buying them in part because I just, they're too talented not to start to play better. I mean, they have.


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[Assistant] We'll see where things go, but I'm high on them. I think Russ is getting a better feel for the guys he's throwing to. Um, Garrett Bowles is just giving all out effort, you know, on, on fumble returns for touchdowns, you know, he's going to get fined for that in the O-line room. There's no doubt.


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[Assistant] Dude, first off, what was the point of you chasing down and you weren't going to catch him? Good effort, but then it was a little bit too much there with the dive idea.


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[Assistant] There was, there was like, I remember when I was in Denver, there was a fine back then where there was a self suck, and that was anytime you like gave yourself credit for something, like, like.


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[Assistant] And then there was, uh, then there was a few where like you, I guess, set yourself apart from the rest of the, of the O line. Like that would be an instance where, again, good effort, good thought, but, um, that's one where he's, he's going to get a lot of flack for the dive. You made it about you? Yeah, with the dive. I think had he just tried to run and hey, all right, I'm not making it, you know?


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[Assistant] I think they're going to play him until he plays poorly. Like that's my anticipation of this. Like I think they're going to milk this whole Cooper rush and let's ride the hot hand type thing.


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[Assistant] Well, I think it's that, I think it's also, if he plays poorly, right, they lose a game.


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[Assistant] Dak is all of a sudden ready to go, and when he gets in there, if he's not playing great, it's a little more understandable when people aren't like, oh, put Cooper Rush back in, right? If he plays, if he's playing great, they're winning.


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[Assistant] And then it's like, all right, Dak's ready to go. And he goes in and struggles. People are going to be like, ah, get him out of there. He's not ready yet. Or, you know, let's put this Cooper, Cooper rush guy back in. So I think he's going to play that, that hot hand.


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[Assistant] Scenario and use the injury and the surgery and the recovery.


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[Assistant] To be the excuse. And they're just going to wait until Coober Rush fails, personally.


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[Assistant] It's going to change the way you're, you're gripping the football to a degree, whether you're cognizant of it or not. I wonder how much will go under center. And that's not like that big of an issue until you get in short yardage and you need to be under center or your running attack is limited because you're going to have to run pistol. Like you'd like a quarterback to be under center with the running game. Cause at least in between the tackles, those guys can get downhill faster.


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[Assistant] And it's better for them to be able to see kind of the hole in the vision of all of it.


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[Assistant] I think it could hurt the running game if he comes back and he can't go under center, uh, cause that right hand, right, that throwing hand's gonna be the top.


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[Assistant] And I, I'm telling you, man, the way those balls will hit your hand sometimes, you could jack up your thumb, or it might be cumbersome for them.


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[Assistant] So if he's just shotgun, that hurts. I just think the way he's, he's going to be able to grip and control the ball. And especially when you think later in the season, when you start getting to some of those cold weather games in Philly, New York or, you know, however that works out.


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[Assistant] You know, I know this, like, I've got, you know, stuff in my foot, right? I've got metal in my foot. It feels awful in cold weather. Like, it's hard to think, because you've lost feeling after surgery. It's not going to feel the same.


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[Assistant] I would imagine his thumb feels different. I had pins put in this right index finger.


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[Assistant] It feels different when it gets cold. You can't really feel the ball quite as much come off of it. So all those things are going to play a factor. I think it's going to take a few weeks even when it gets back in there because you can't replicate in your preparation and your rehab the intensity of what a game really calls for.


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[Assistant] So until you get into that game, then you start to get a sense of how to adapt to all of it, and we'll see how he adapts to it.


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[Assistant] Dude, Gino's been bawling. You gotta give him a lot of credit. He set the record, right, for completion percentage of the first four games in history. Like, kudos to him.


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[Assistant] Maybe even Pete Carroll who, like, this to me is a self-suck. Like, that's what that is.


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[Assistant] Hey, remember, five star review, legitimate charity.


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[Assistant] Every time the Jets win. So not over the two wins they've already got. You gotta, gotta make sure you explain things to these Jets fans. They don't listen well. So every, every win now moving forward, thousand dollars at that following week.


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[Assistant] And we'll give it to a charity through our five star reviews, right? And you can handle that stuff.


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[Assistant] Every time. And by the way, so, so, you know, Robert Saleh is keeping the receipts. Well, we will keep the receipts too. We'll make sure to post that. Not with my credit card number on it, but we'll make sure to post that.


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[Assistant] So how about this, Jets fans for some reason take out all their hatred on me.


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[Assistant] When I came out and saw the line that they're not favored at home this week versus Miami, I was astonished. I was like, alright, I'm taking the three points. We have to do our picks today with Pete. I'll take, I'll take the three. But how about this? You know what their win total hasn't changed? It just, it stayed the same. Even after a two and two start.


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[Assistant] Their win total for the year stayed the same. I think that was according to DraftKings.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like that's, that's a slap in the face. Like, like you're at two and two and they don't believe that you can sustain this moving forward. So you can hate me all you want. I'm trying to just donate to charity now, but why don't you guys be upset with some of the bookmakers out there and go lay out some bets and make some of your own money off this if you think they're going to win that much.


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[Assistant] It is probably Tuesday, September 13th. If you're listening to this podcast, if you're hanging out with us on YouTube, we're going to squeeze in a little bit of Monday, September 12th. I would have gotten maybe the whole podcast in on Monday night, except John breach decided to show up like he's some diva who doesn't like like working in the framework of these rules.


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[Assistant] Uhm, when I'm criticizing your tardiness, you know it's reached the point of, like, you may want to think about an adjustment.


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[Assistant] I thought what was a fun game only because I picked Seahawks to win. Did you?


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[Assistant] That was a fun game. Um, Russell Wilson's return.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I know you're getting exposed to your breach the last two nights.


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[Assistant] A massive win for Pete Carroll and Geno Smith and.


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[Assistant] Maybe a telling loss for the Broncos are on a scale of one to 10. What? This loss is


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[Assistant] Like on a scale of one to 10, like what is your panic level for the Broncos in 2022 after seeing them in week one?


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[Assistant] They were suddenly good. Well, it is interesting because like,


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[Assistant] If you took Russell Wilson on a normal Seahawks team and used this game plan, thinking about passing.


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[Assistant] They came out being, they, they played it, they played an entirely different defense in, in both the manning cast and, and I believe, uh, Buck and Aitman, who, who also, by the way.


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[Assistant] Then what the Seahawks played like throughout the entire tenure of Russell Wilson playing there, which definitely threw Russell off. Um, Peyton Manning made a good point in the Manning cast that his return to Indianapolis.


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[Assistant] Happened in the second season, like seventh week of the second season. He was playing for the Broncos and it's just the point that like if


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[Assistant] It's, it's, Russell is still getting used to paraphrasing here. Russell's getting used to wearing a Broncos uniform and he has to go back to Seattle. And you're playing in this crowd that is, you know, a year from now, maybe would have, you know, not booed you because you're, you're moved a little bit, but like at this point, definitely we're booing you. We're being loud. But the Colts, the Colts fans love Payton. That was different. Yeah. He was there 14 years. I mean, Russell was there.


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[Assistant] That's right. Uhm, I thought that.


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[Assistant] I just, you know, look, the, the Bronkers fumbled twice in the one yard line. This game could have obviously gone in a different direction.


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[Assistant] Man, I mean, the Seahawks, if it feels like this, see this, if the Seahawks use this game plan for the entire year, I don't think it's crazy that they could make some noise. And even, I don't know, this is gonna sound, this is gonna sound crazy. You are the king of the overreactions. Go ahead. Like we've seen the fault, the faults and the flaws with the other AFC West teams.


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[Assistant] You're hesitating. No, no, I was going to say the, all of a sudden the Gino wince, the Gino wince comparison is like, you look a lot better. Oh yeah, Devo, what about that?


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[Assistant] That's like my, the biggest takeaway for this game of all is like you traded, Russell Wilson was unhappy because Seattle wouldn't let him go win games.


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[Assistant] Spatulas, maybe like a little fire roaster flambé thing, and then Nathaniel Hacken, they give a bunch of money, and then Nathaniel Hacken said, what was it, 65 or 64?


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[Assistant] You're on the hot seat. Just to be clear, how many, how many field goals have been made of 64 plus yards?


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[Assistant] Actually tweet that out. That's from Ed, I don't know if it's Ed Warner, great reporter.


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[Assistant] Michael, uh, Michael Dixon punted with 411 left. The Broncos had first and 10 of their own 22 with 402 left. They get up to their own 40.


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[Assistant] With two minutes left, they give the two minute warning. Russell, uh, uh.


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[Assistant] Oh, did they... Oh, do they have first and 10 on their own 49 coming out of the 2 minute warning, right?


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[Assistant] And then Javante Williams, it's stuffed in the backfield. All of a sudden, second and 14, Seattle had to call timeout because Barton, their linebacker was injured. It was a required timeout by the officials.


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[Assistant] And so it's second and 14 with a minute 13 left on Denver on their own 45. Yep. I mean, at this point, like your, your goal needs to be to get to.


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[Assistant] Seattle's 40. Get six, seven yards and go again. You need 15 yards. Right.


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[Assistant] It's not great surgery. And then he hits Williams for nine yards to make it, so it's third and 14, he hits Williams for nine yards to make it fourth and five with a minutes and...


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[Assistant] They wait until 20 seconds to call timeout and then kick.


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[Assistant] Well I would say this, if you're gonna kick, run your field goal unit out there and kick.


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[Assistant] And you still have three timeouts left. So if you miss, then Seattle gets the ball back, but it has to run it three times and you call timeout and you might get the ball back with like 25 seconds left.


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[Assistant] Let's say a minute one and you sprint him out there by the time you kick, it's 45.


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[Assistant] One is a long shot of you getting the ball back and having a second field goal attempt.


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[Assistant] Here, the other one is Russell Wilson gets to try for it on fourth and five. And here the middle path.


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[Assistant] Is actually labeled stupid hole. Run right through there and kick a 64 yarder. Like that is the, you run the clock down to 20 seconds and call time out. And then they missed it and Bkirl even iced him and then he missed it again because it's a 64 yard field.


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[Assistant] All right, well, so I think the first, well, Doug Peterson technically too, but so the first three guys.


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[Assistant] Oh, yeah. So you're right. Those are the only first time head coaches. Well, that's interesting though. Did you point that out? Because.


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[Assistant] O'Connell didn't have to deal with any major clock management stuff. Dable was like, you know.


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[Assistant] I'm just saying like, when you're, when you're a first time head coach and you're trying to make these decisions under pressure. Are you making excuses? No, I'm saying, I'm saying none of the other guys


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[Assistant] McDaniel in O'Connell didn't really have to deal with any like.


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[Assistant] Like crazy late situations where you're, you know, you could Andy read it up.


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[Assistant] Brian Dable went for two with the game of the line. Right, Brian Dable is, Brian Dable gets an A plus for that. The thing to hack him is...


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[Assistant] Now, this is where I think it's a little interesting, though, because there was, it was a pretty, um, big point of emphasis on the Manicast. And I'm not sure if it was, um, I listened to the first quarter on the bucket. I forgot the Manicast was going. Also, he was he in?


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[Assistant] He was, he came to Green Bay with the floor, right? Yes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he did. Uhm, so I guess the floor was calling the play calls or it was calling the plays, but he still, you know, he called the plays.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's had experience. There's no excuse. But there was a debate about when Russ is calling plays and when Hackett is calling plays and whether or not, and the issue that I heard Peyton talk about frequently because he talked with Russ about this is Hackett sends a play call in, but then it like gives Russ some options where he can audible to him.


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[Assistant] A play call plus three options and he's going out there and he's like sifting through his playbook on his arm. And then all of a sudden it's loud and you're getting down there. Like, I wonder if that's part of the problem. And it's cause that's something that will persist throughout the year.


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[Assistant] I mean, look, I'm not trying to joke with the CLX bandwagon now. I am actually.


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[Assistant] Ran the ball a bunch. In this particular game, they threw a lot more than I think we expected them to.


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[Assistant] Uh, the leader straight up, Jamie Eisenberg, 11-4-1.


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[Assistant] Sam Bruce Smith has a good comment here. Russell Wilson hasn't showered. Hasn't changed.


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[Assistant] Still wearing his chef hat. It's sitting his locker, staring his friends, locked screen image of Sierra since the end of the game.


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[Assistant] Oh god, I had to run it. All right. Breach's tweet actually got some decent engagement.


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[Assistant] Wasting our time. I'm gonna mute you for that. I'm gonna report that tweet.


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[Assistant] Report it for being on? Yes, myself. Everyone on Twitter. Next. Attacked. Actually, I'm going to get in trouble if I do this. Uhm, anyway. Uh, okay.


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[Assistant] I think this is, like, this is sort of the point that we've been trying to make about, this is, this is sort of the...


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[Assistant] Part of the reason why I picked the Seahawks to win this game was, and I was worried about the Broncos. You have a first year head coach.


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[Assistant] Implementing a new offense, a totally different offense for a quarterback who has traded the team and is still getting on the same page with the receivers.


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[Assistant] Like there's like, you're dealing with a lot and I'm not trying to make excuses for him. I'm saying like.


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[Assistant] I'm just saying that it should not be surprising if a first-year head coach sort of bobbles.


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[Assistant] And that game having to go to Seattle against an inferior team, albeit with a lot of emotions flowing.


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[Assistant] With the first year head coach. And again, you're implementing this whole new offense. Like the Jerry, Judy touchdown really like that. That's they've also been batted down. No greater. They should have scored twice. I mean, they could.


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[Assistant] That ball was being snapped at zero almost every time. And on the manning, on the manning cast, Peyton kept pointing out, he's like, look, if the fans are watching the clock, they see the clock winding down, they get more riled up, it gets louder. If you were smart, you get your play in and get your, get snapped the ball with 10 seconds left of the playcock.


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[Assistant] So you're not, play clock, so you're not worried about getting the ball out and like having to deal with that. It, it, it felt like a very, I don't know, the whole thing was botched.


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[Assistant] It's crazy that we're talking about Nathaniel Hackett instead of the fumbles of the one yard line as Breach said, I believe.


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[Assistant] He, he felt like there's no one, there's no one who's telling him, hey bro, 64 yard field goals are not easy to make. There's two since 2000 and you'd much rather give Russell Wilson a chance at converting fourth and five, which he.


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[Assistant] Isn't it weird that uhm, No, it's like, why didn't you run this playbook with Ross?


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[Assistant] Offense look, like they would like, hey Gino, do whatever the F you want. Like he was, he was like, like moving in the pocket, throwing downfield. They did not care.


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[Assistant] The Jets kicked Gino to the curb for Sam Darnold. Whoops. And the, and the Giants had Gino on the roster too and they drafted.


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[Assistant] Interesting. DK Mecha for greatest player I've ever played with.


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[Assistant] Oh, there's Jersey when he swapped with Russell Wilson. God, these guys are writing way too much on jerseys. This is outrageous.


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[Assistant] Who wins more games? The Seahawks or the Broncos? What'd you say? The Broncos.


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[Assistant] Sorry, let's uh, let's do what we will wrap up the podcast. Uh, by the way, if you have any questions about this game in the chat on YouTube, uh, let us know. Also hit the like button, turn on the alert.


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[Assistant] This is not like Peyton leaving India coming back and it's like, it's again, it'd been a year and a half, but he was cut and he was been there for 14 years.


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[Assistant] He's going to like with his broken thumb. That's almost bad.


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[Assistant] So Russ was there, so Russ was there less than 10 years. 2012 to 20. He won them a Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Sean Alexander. Sean Alexander won MVP. Russell didn't have an MVP vote.


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[Assistant] No, no, I mean, I, I don't, I don't, I, I'm, I'm really playing more Devil's Avocado than...


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[Assistant] Actually disagreeing with the statement, like he probably is the most important player, but.


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[Assistant] The Superbowl they won was a legion of boom defensive Superbowl. Yeah, against a paid manning team that did not show up.


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[Assistant] And yes, as Joel McHale reminded Peyton Manning this evening. Uhm, and then Russ, remember they had that, the meeting in uhm, Hawaii or whatever, where like, after the, after the Marshall, after they let Russ pass in Super Bowl 49, he throws the pick. What happened in the meeting? Well, apparently like, like Russ,


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[Assistant] Pete Carroll was told pick between Ross or like the legion of boom and he picked Ross and that's.


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[Assistant] This is a good point. This is like a little weird pregame. They showed it on ESPN in the pregame show. This Russ walked out to midfield. He walks out to midfield like in his uniform. He closes his eyes. He puts his arms out. He like spins around. It's the most recent comment she described it, but he like spins around, like soaks it up.


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[Assistant] And then because Lisa Salters is talking and they're showing like, he's like saying what's up to coaches and former players. They're like, now I will say.


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[Assistant] He never, there was quote, no exchange between he and Pete Carroll.


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[Assistant] And I'm not, I'm not trying to dog, I'm not trying to dog Ross and say he's not, I mean like Russ is a Hall of Famer. Um, you know, he, he, they don't win a Super Bowl. Russ is a Hall of Famer.


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[Assistant] They, they don't win the Superbowl without him, but I, I do think that like,


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[Assistant] Well, but they definitely don't. Have they won a Super Bowl without a legion of boobs since? No, you just made the case that they


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[Assistant] I'm saying that, I'm saying that they don't win it with Matt Flynn. They don't win the Super Bowl with Matt Flynn. Ross is part of the reason why they won the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] But I'm saying that the Legion of the haven't won. They haven't won a Super Bowl since the Legion of Boom fell apart.


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[Assistant] Uhm, alright, so Seahawks, alright, real quickly, oh, oh, CDevo, this is your fault.


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[Assistant] And we have, and we're gone. Um, Seahawks are at the 49ers, Falcons at home at the line.


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[Assistant] Go ahead. You got a couple things wrong. It's fine. See y'all at the 49ers. Host the Falcons.


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[Assistant] At the Lions, at the Saints, their next four games. What is the Seahawks record after those four games?


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[Assistant] Are they beating the 49ers? If Trey Lance is not, uh... Okay, well I'm gonna ask you, are they beating the 49ers?


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[Assistant] I don't know, but what do you think that, I haven't looked, what do you think that line is?


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[Assistant] Yeah, probably don't beat the Saints on the road. I think they...


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[Assistant] That's a really good catch by coach. Uhm, I'll say the Broncos win. I think they hold serve at home and beat the.


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[Assistant] You're not sure they're beating the Texans? Broncos might be two and three after five weeks. Well, I'm glad. They beat the Texans, beat the Colts. I don't know about the 49ers.


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[Assistant] I'll take 15 to 1. I'll bet 15 to 1. Do you guys want to? Do it right now, Brinson.


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[Assistant] I'm not giving you a Tar Heels tattoo. Seriously, are we in first or second or third?


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[Assistant] Alright, so look, let's squeeze another 13 minutes out of this podcast.


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[Assistant] He's like, no! He's like, you pulled the first one! Aim at the right!


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[Assistant] Alright, thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Smash the like button, subscribe, rate, review, et cetera, et cetera. If you've got a vote left in the People's Choice Podcast Awards, you should definitely vote for fantasy football today.


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[Assistant] So I don't have to get a tattoo for Wilson for breach. I'm Brits and we will see you guys later.


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[Assistant] Like if they get the ball to two, that's fine. Make them earn it. Four and a half minutes to go.


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[Assistant] And then it'll just be same old Andy Dalton that's in tail end of his career at Cincinnati.


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[Assistant] I mean, if you're winning games, it's not necessarily, it's not a terrible idea because we talked about last week.


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[Assistant] Yeah, fix the defense. He was 26 at 39 with four touchdowns. Wide strats quarterback.


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[Assistant] It's a mess. Like we're at the point where we're like, you know what? Sam Donald wasn't that bad.


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[Assistant] If we ever had, uh, three starting North Dakota State quarterbacks in the NFL at one time for each?


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[Assistant] Herbert didn't speak to the media tonight because you can get away with that when you're getting x-rays and getting checked out, so he didn't speak to the media.


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[Assistant] You're good. Pick show in the feed tomorrow.


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[Assistant] Brinson unsurprisingly went two and five in week one prisco five and one.


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[Assistant] The debut of my bookshelves behind me, which clearly I didn't know how they would, like I didn't know how they would look when I got on stream.


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[Assistant] Well, I put the bookshelves together and then I was like, oh yeaah, I guess I need stuff on there if I'm going to use it on the- Humble Bragg, that'd be a deal. That I- Humble Bragg, that I put it together?


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[Assistant] I love the piano in the background, that really classes the whole thing up. Yeah, as I mentioned, a lot of people think that I'm the type of person who would have a piano, who would like purchase a piano without being able to play a piano. Well, didn't you once have Burt Bacharach over to play piano with your pops for like a Christmas party? I can't confirm nor deny that.


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[Assistant] That's, that's one of those movies that I forget what else I was just, I just saw. Oh, Billy Madison, we talked about this last week. I don't think so, but I talked about this with somebody. So like I was watching, I was like,


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[Assistant] Uh, this isn't as funny as it used to be. It doesn't hold up. It doesn't hold up. Like there's some movies that do, like I personally feel like Wayne's World was like before it's time. So you look back and there's just like certain things that just...


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[Assistant] Make me laugh, like every time they count us in to like a live shot, when they're like, in three, two,


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[Assistant] I know, I know, yeaah. That does, that does check out for a Wange World. Uh, Wange World wasn't ahead of its time.


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[Assistant] Nathaniel Hackett on Monday night and we realized that it's Thursday if you're listening to the podcast. So we're trying, I want to try to spin this forward.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Well, there's also a perspective that like I could provide that I feel like maybe hasn't been touched on, but go ahead. Okay. Well, I was going to ask you if you thought that, are you going to defend the kick? Is that what, is that what?


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[Assistant] Uhm, one of my concerns about them, and this is one of the, the stories that a camp was, they weren't hitting much, they looked soft in some of the preseason games.


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[Assistant] You know, I knew that was the M.O. of Pete Carroll and what they want to do traditionally is run the football and all that, but there was also a degree of like, yeah, Bradley Chubb, Randy Gregory, they really didn't get much pressure in the first half. I mean, Geno Smith, when there was pressure, made a play.


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[Assistant] Uh, it was just weird. I mean, even on the outside of the perimeter, like Pat Sartan playing 10 yards off and I'm like, all right. I mean, challenge DK Mecca at some point, you know, you're not just giving him these easy catches for eight, nine, 10 yards.


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[Assistant] You know, I probably should have went for it. Um, we went back through maybe Gus Bradley, maybe more like remorseful, but like my bad, man, like definitely should have went for it. I was kind of shocked by how upbeat he was about it, but here's the deal.


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[Assistant] When, when, when I was with Russell Wilson in Seattle, one of the things that Pete Carroll did that I thought was really unique was he always talked about winning the game in the fourth quarter and really the final two minutes of the game being largely what dictated like winning and losing. And so they would install their two minute first, which was kind of different than anywhere else I've been. And we've talked about that before.


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[Assistant] But then what, what also like takes it a step further is, you know, when you get to a certain point, especially in the West Coast system, a lot of times they'll have the quarterback call the two minute offense, like you'll be out there, you know, get everyone lined up because you're not subbing. So if they sub in a wide receiver is tired or something, maybe, but that's about it. And then you're basically calling the protection, calling everything out. You're not even looking at the sideline because it's faster that way.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that's more of an old school thing. It's not done quite as much anymore, but there's still some coaches that'll have the quarterback do that. But the other thing was is like, I remember sitting in that room with Carl Smith and him drilling over.


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[Assistant] Hey, 22 seconds left, alright, no timeouts. This is the most amount of time we have that we feel comfortable with running play o'clock yet. 16 seconds, bare minimum, but we don't feel comfortable with that. I remember, we talked about this after the Cowboys 49ers playoff game. You were like, we did this in Seattle, like there was an X amount of time.


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[Assistant] Literally, we'd go over like, hey, 33 seconds, you know, one time out. How many plays can you get in? We would do this all the time, like all the time. So what was shocking for me was, Russell Wilson being in an environment that was so familiar, wasn't after the third down play, just goes, time out.


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[Assistant] Timeout, let's talk about this. What was the need to run the clock down? Like as much as you look at Nathaniel Hackergo, first year head coach, maybe he's trying to talk through this whole thing. They take some time off the clock, then burn a timeout. Okay, but they had still two other timeouts. They, they should have been thinking like, even though McManus said 46, that's where we're at now.


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[Assistant] We still need to preserve time in the event that we decide to go for this and want to move forward like there never should have been a thought of not using a timeout right away whether you got the first out on third down or did and got to the forty six.


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[Assistant] So it was a little bit surprising that in that instance though, Russell didn't just take over. I mean, most quarterbacks, especially whether they're trained,


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[Assistant] Let me just go through the history here of all the 60 plus yard kicks you've made. Uh, what has he made? Like he's like one for eight or something like that? There's two 64 yarders that have like ever been made in NFL history. Like at some point you go,


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[Assistant] One, I think I made this on Monday night, but it's like, if you were going to, if you're going to kick it, the move is to just run the field goal unit out there and kick it without calling the timeout. So you have three timeouts in the event. He misses now. It's all back entire circumstances, right? Yeah. You're not likely, you know,


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[Assistant] If he misses, you're probably losing the way. But I mean, the point is he should have gone for it. Do you, or do you think that moving forward to like.


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[Assistant] I mean, you know, they're favored by 10 points. Broncos are against the Texans this week, but you know, they have six games against the Chargers, Chiefs and Raiders left. You know, you lose the Seahawks in Seattle week one. It's a tough spot for, you know, from an emotional standpoint, but I mean, the bigger concern for me is just like how