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[Assistant] And finally, I will leave you with this, which goes back to what you talked about last night on the podcast, Matt Ruhl's infamous picture at the owner's meeting where he's dressed up like he's wearing his grandfather's clothes and he's eight years old on his way to church. Uhm, David Tepper said, he dresses like X-FIL, if I can only mean that, was the S-word.


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[Assistant] And sweats all over himself. He dresses like me, so I have to love the guy.


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[Assistant] I was a short order cook, he was a short order cook. Nobody gave me anything, nobody gave me anything. He had to work hard for everything.


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[Assistant] This is the introductory press conference where he's ripping the poor man's ability not to dress himself. He did actually say that, right? No, he literally said those words.


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[Assistant] Wait, wait, he said that? He dresses like ish and sweats all over himself. He dresses like me, so I have to love the guy Tepper said with a laugh, according to Panthers.com. Wait, wait, what? I'll put it in Slack so you can read just the very last...


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[Assistant] No, no, no. Go to the very bottom of this, this, uh, if you Google Matt Ruhl question mark, David Tepper explains, it'll show up, uh, the 2007, 2020, uh, story on panthers.com where he explains how he and Matt Ruhl became a couple.


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[Assistant] And the very last paragraph is him talking about Matt Roll dressing like a clown.


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[Assistant] But anyway, you know, it's just funny to look back at how the relationship changed and losing will clearly change any relationship just a matter of how quickly.


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[Assistant] But yeah, I would imagine Matt Roll is relieved more than anything. I guarantee. Well, I don't want to say guarantee. I don't imagine. Do you think he's upset by this? Uh, I mean,


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[Assistant] What if he decides to go buy a house, uh, uh, you know, on the...


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[Assistant] On the coast of North Carolina and just kick it for the next five years. They gotta pay him, right?


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[Assistant] Yeah, Dennis Dodd was just on HQ saying exactly that. You know, the Nebraska job, uh, the...


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[Assistant] Wisconsin's out there. Prisco on Twitter made what I thought was a very honest point and I actually don't disagree with it. He said, does Matt Ruhl cheat to get players? If so, I want him at Arizona State. If not, I do not. And I think that's sort of how you have to look at it. Although NIL makes that less problematic, but I still imagine that there's some of that going on.


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[Assistant] Oh, it's extremely popular. It's night and day. I mean, see you with Urban Meyer.


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[Assistant] And when he gets his next job, it'll, I'm sure it'll be like it was when he was at Ohio State and Utah and Florida before that, and college didn't work out. You see, when Nick's saving, sometimes it's just, you're just not cut out to be in the NFL for a number of reasons. I think the biggest reason, uh, for at least saving and


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[Assistant] That rule is that if you're on a franchise quarterback, you don't have a chance. And that's just the reality of it.


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[Assistant] Jay Glazer also tweeted out, uh, shortly, short time ago, teams will now be calling the Panthers trying to trade for some of their players as they hope Carolina will look to stockpile picks as they rebuild. Uhm, as they should. Brian Burns, Jeremy Chen, I mean, would you trade J.C. Horne?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I wouldn't get hung up on that. Everyone gets a contract at some point. You gotta, if you want to move on, you just.


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[Assistant] No, but I mean, DJ Moore, I mean, Odo Beckham got traded 15 minutes after signing his new deal.


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[Assistant] JJ Moore, uh, JJ Moore, JJ talked about this on NFL Today yesterday, the pregame show for CBS that, uh, D'Amico Ryan's will be a popular name in general. Matt Ruhl hadn't been fired yet. So I do wonder if, uh, he's going to be, uh, on the short list or, hey, there's Sully just materializing out of nowhere. Love it.


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[Assistant] You're the Bailey Zappi this podcast. Exactly. Come off the bench and crush it.


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[Assistant] And Baker wanted to go to Indianapolis first.


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[Assistant] Well, I've got some good news for David Tepper. The Panthers currently have the first overall pick and that's bad news.


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[Assistant] Now the pressure is of the four-ish or so quarterbacks that are going to go for it in the first round of the draft.


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[Assistant] I mean, let's not, let's not talk about this being serious consideration for Steve Look. Steve, I'll say this.


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[Assistant] I will say this, and I will take anyone's bet on this. The Panthers are 1 and 4, that's 5 games. What's 17 minus 5? 12. There are 12 games left. Steve will go 12 and 0, and he will not get this job. And I will take any bet from anyone otherwise.


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[Assistant] I mean, John Fox, is that their most successful head coach? George Seifert? Those two? Branson, wake up.


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[Assistant] Okay, I mean that's not terrible for a franchise that's 30, almost 30 years old, but.


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[Assistant] I was going to say maybe say ownership, but David Tepper's not worse than Jerry Richardson, I don't think, is he? In terms of managing day to day things?


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[Assistant] Okay, yeah, well that's part of the issue too, to Sully's point, I mean,


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[Assistant] Like if you win three games, you're going to be in the top five all time wins in Carolina Panthers history.


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[Assistant] Oh, so that, that they've only had five coaches over.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's how, that's how you gotta, you gotta start all about how you couch it.


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[Assistant] Alright, Steve Wilkes is apparently going to be seriously considered. Ha ha ha ha.


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[Assistant] Yeah, who else is, uh, the young up-and-comer that we'll be talking about? Uh, what about Kellan Moore? And we talked about Dan Quinn all the time.


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[Assistant] Matt Ruhl is a defensive guy and, you know, Ron Rivera is a defensive guy before him to run out of town. I don't know if that matters or not, but if you want to go offense, you're going to have the first overall pick or whatever, top three pick.


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[Assistant] You get your quarterback. I'm laughing. You do the Jaguars model with Trevor Lawrence and Urban Meyer, but you don't go get Urban Meyer. You get someone who's not crazy and has his mind focused on football and not going to his own restaurant and getting, uh, getting lap dances. But, uh,


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[Assistant] Matt Canada, I would recommend him. I would recommend, I will drive Matt Canada from Pittsburgh to Carolina right now.


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[Assistant] He's not an offensive guy. I'm just saying if you want offense and top three pick quarterback, you want to do that sort of a combo coming in.


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[Assistant] Sean Payton's thing apparently was, the place he wants to go, he wants to have a quarterback. Los Angeles Chargers makes sense. Uhm, for example, Miami would have made sense at the time Brady had been there. But what if you give him the keys to everything? Number one, would he do that? Brent's number two, would Tepper, could Tepper Jimmy hassle himself away and lock himself into a closet and not be meddling?


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[Assistant] I mean, it feels like Sean Payne is going to be coaching somewhere next year and it ain't going to be in high school. Yeah.


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[Assistant] You're not giving up a top number three overall pick for Sean Payton.


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[Assistant] You trade, look, you trade Sam, Donald, and Baker Mayfield to the Saints and you're good to go.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna venture to guess that David Heppard didn't just occur to him to fire Matt, Matt Rolfe today after Tomiko Rice kicked his ass.


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[Assistant] If I don't nail in the coffin, I'll give you that.


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[Assistant] I think everyone, like literally everyone's on the table and especially if, and this is just speculation, if you want to do the offensive.


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[Assistant] Uh, combo of, of not necessarily young coach, but the offensive mind with, with your young franchise quarterback with your top three pick or whatever it ends up being. I think the most important thing, I would argue the most important thing is getting the quarterback right. And the second most important thing is getting the coach right. Cause you can get the great quarterback like Trevor Lawrence and you can.


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[Assistant] And Tepper doesn't have, like, uh, kids that are adults, right? Like they're not 30, 40 year old kids? I don't think so. I asked that because it feels like Stephen Jones at one point said to his dad, listen, you can go out and say silly things to the media.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. And by the way, no one's mentioned Eric B. Enemy's name. Uh, I don't know if he's just falling off the map. If they're...


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[Assistant] Concerns about how he interviews, I have no idea, but it just feels like.


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[Assistant] It doesn't feel like, I mean, we're in October, so who knows. But he, he's, D'Amico Ryan, just a hot name right now. Yeah. Which Airbnb was for the last.


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[Assistant] Two and a half seasons, it felt like a season and a half. So I don't know, I don't know what his...


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[Assistant] I mean, honestly, I would, I would take Matt Canada as the head coach for a year. If you absolutely, if you got your 75%.


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[Assistant] If you got your 75% of Josh Allen quarterback pick right out of the four or five or however it's going to be.


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[Assistant] Matt Ruhl, by the way, is making $840,000 a month for the next 48 months.


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[Assistant] Better coach Victor Garcia. Let's not, let's not move past the fact that Brandon Staley. Well, let's just answer this question real quick. Better coach Nathaniel Hackett or, or Matt Patricia. Uh, I'm taking Matt Patricia.


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[Assistant] You'll be 58 in three years, two years? You gonna do that as a 58 year old? That's something.


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[Assistant] Well they got, they got one really good defensive player and the rest of them are just, ehh. Grady Jarrett's great, the rest of them are.


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[Assistant] Today is Wednesday. It's one of those two days. Uh, I like to call it Tuesday because today is Tuesdays with Tyler. Even if you were listening to this on Wednesday, it's being recorded on Tuesday. Of course, well, Brinton's not here because he hates Tuesdays and he hates Tyler. So why would he show up?


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[Assistant] Uh, Tyler, how you doing man? What's going on? How you doing? I think this is the first time it's just been me and you.


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[Assistant] Well, you know what? It's more comfortable. Feels more homey. Oh, absolutely.


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[Assistant] And, uh, you know, it's always nice to do a one-on-one chat for the first time ever, uh, on a podcast together.


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[Assistant] He has sent me multiple emails this week just saying, I can't be on with Tyler. I can't work with him. We're not in the same page anymore. I don't get that guy. What's up with him? And I was like, I'll do it Brenton. I will just do it. I will be there.


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[Assistant] So anyway, Prince is not here, but we are still going to be talking, uh, everything that we normally talk about on a day like this with Tyler, and that is


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[Assistant] Let's talk some bills at Ravens Buffalo, favored by three and a half points. The over under is 51 and a half. What are your thoughts on this game right now?


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[Assistant] In their past eight games following a straight up loss, that is very enticing if you like the Bills. And you know, one thing that you mentioned is that the Dolphins are 3-0.


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[Assistant] Which makes this feel like a Scooby-Doo game. You know how Old Man Withers would say, well, I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you pesky kids.


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[Assistant] And the Ravens and Dolphins are the Ravens and Bills are both thinking, well, we would be undefeated if it wasn't for those pesky dolphins because they both played games that they probably should have won. I mean, Baltimore blew a 21 point lead in


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[Assistant] Of the Dolphins, I believe, uh, Ben Bowen pointed out a stat that


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[Assistant] There's only been two teams that have won a game in the past 20 years when they have been outgained by 275 yards or more. One of those games was the Dolphins over the Bills. So, uh, this is a fascinating game. And you mentioned the Ravens defense. I think if, um,


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[Assistant] Baltimore or from a Ravens fan. That's probably the one thing that scares me right now. The Ravens are giving up.


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[Assistant] And to like give you an idea of how crazy that is, there is no other team in the NFL that's even giving up 300 yards a game. So the Ravens are just, everyone's throwing on them. I mean, it's not like they faced Patrick Mahone's, Tom Bray and Aaron Rodgers. They have faced Mack Jones, Joe Flacco and Tua. So.


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[Assistant] It's crazy that everyone's just throwing at Will and now they have Josh Allen coming in, who's the NFL's leading passer. He's the only quarterback who's thrown over a thousand yards.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, I think uhm, I'm with you here, and I know that the over-under has been going down.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was, I was pointing that up as you were talking and so basically there's an 80% chance of rain on Sunday which, you know,


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[Assistant] Fewer passing yards, uh, lower scoring if there's rain, but around 1pm it's supposed to be light rain, so maybe over under something you wait until the radar figures itself out around 10am Sunday morning.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and the crazy thing is, like we were saying, is that this did, uh, I think over, under, opened


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[Assistant] 54 and a half. So this is a number that's just been going down, down, down and


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[Assistant] All of a sudden there's no rain on Sunday, then boom, you smash it. Uhm, alright, let's get to our next game because it's your boy Tom Brady.


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[Assistant] Uh, and the Buccaneers hosting the Chiefs in Kansas City is a two and a half point favorite, which I would say they're a two and a half point road favorite, but it might be a two and a point neutral field favorite because we don't know if this game's gonna be played in Tampa Bay necessarily. Uh, what are your thoughts here, man?


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[Assistant] Yeah. And even if the game's not moved, the Buccaneers are moving. They have already moved. They ship their football operations down to South Florida. They are in Miami the rest of the week.


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[Assistant] Uh, and play that Sunday and, and, you know, we heard Tom Brady talk about it on his podcast Monday night, just the, hey, we can't use this as an excuse. Uh, but it's definitely a hurdle that the team will have to overcome.


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[Assistant] And one reason the NFL has not announced whether this game will be moved is because the forecast for Sunday in Tampa Bay is sunny and perfect. The problem is that you don't know if the, if the hurricane is gonna damage, uh, the city, cause major damage around Tampa. And if that happens, then you have to think about relocating the game. And like Tyler said,


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[Assistant] Hurricane supposed to make landfall late Wednesday or Thursday and so.


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[Assistant] I would think the NFL will finalize the location by Friday, but yeah, I think this is an interesting game just because the Chiefs, the last game, the Colts game just felt like they gave it away. They made so many dumb mistakes, especially on special teams, and it's just errors you don't expect from the Andy Reid team. You don't expect to see


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[Assistant] The Chiefs make because they've been so good for so long they don't make a bunch of dumb mistakes in games and so.


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[Assistant] I don't know how I feel, but with the Bucks doing all this traveling, I just, I feel like I gotta give the edge to Kansas City here.


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[Assistant] Tyler, whoever thought we would have a conversation about a game involving Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady, and we don't trust the offenses! What's going on here?


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[Assistant] Yeah, especially after watching the Brady and Rogers game just get 26 points and, uh, Mahomes is coming off a game where the Chiefs and Colts only totaled 37 points. So, uh, yeah, if you don't trust these offenses, that does seem like the smarter play.


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[Assistant] Go under. Uhm, and also you noted, uh, that the Buccaneers are eight and two against the spread in their last ten games following a straight up loss. So another wrinkle to consider is because you don't see Tom Brady lose consecutive games too often.


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[Assistant] Uhm, however, this brings us to my favorite game of the week and maybe in football history and it will be one we'll be talking about for ages because


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[Assistant] There are going to be white tiger helmets on the field in Cincinnati on Thursday night and.


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[Assistant] I'm very excited and it's the Bengals, it's the Dolphins. Dolphins are three and a half point underdogs. One of the two undefeated teams in the NFL and they are a three and a half point dog on the road. How do you feel about this game?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it does feel like it will be a close game, uh, even as the most ardent bangles homer, I will be willing to admit that.


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[Assistant] The one thing that I think worries me if, about taking the dolphins and why I'm eventually gonna pick the bangles as we all know, uhm, is just that the dolphins,


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[Assistant] Defense has been so bad. They have been like the bend but don't break except they are bending to the point where it is almost dangerous and then somehow not break him and we saw him give up 497 yards to the Bills.


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[Assistant] They're giving up 413 yards per game, uh, second most in the NFL. You can't live on the edge the whole season and not have it come back and bite you. That, I think that's my thing, especially when you're playing


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[Assistant] Uh, teams that have good offenses like, uh, you know.


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[Assistant] You know, maybe it will be a two or three point game, but I just think that the bangles are kind of fired up. This is, you know, usually you're the AFC champion defending AFC champion. You're the one with the target on your back. But for this game, it feels like the dolphins are the team with the target on the back because they're the only undefeated team in the AFC. And so, uh, I just think that.


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[Assistant] The Bengals are a well-rounded team, even though their record does not show that. They are one of just four teams in the NFL, uh, that rank in the top 10.


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[Assistant] Of both points, fewest points surrendered by the defense and most points scored by the offense. Uh, two of the other ones are the Eagles and Jacksonville, and I can't remember the fourth one off the top of my head. But so all the teams that are there are good. That's the bottom line. And so I think.


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[Assistant] I like the bangles. I liked it better on Sunday night when it was two and a half. I loved it at two and a half. Now, I still like three and a half, but I don't love it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and you know what? The Dolphins can also make a statement here because look, we have everyone second guessing their wins. Like, ah, the Dolphins actually good because they just barely beat the Ravens. Well, they came back from 21 points. That's impressive. Well, they just barely beat the Bills. Well, they gave up 500 dollars, but they still won. So it's weird to talk about the Dolphins. And I think that people


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[Assistant] I think they're going to make the playoffs at this point. I think they look good. I am just saying you cannot live on the edge the whole season because eventually it bites you in the butt. It's Tyler talking about the water leveling. It's the law of averages. Everything equals out. You can't win all these games like this, uh, without it taking its toll. So.


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[Assistant] Who knows, maybe the Dolphins make a statement win, maybe they win a game by two touchdowns and silence everyone by going into Cincinnati and, uh, making the White Tigers extinct.


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[Assistant] If the Dolphins came out with a throwback, it would go down as the best uniform game in the history of football.


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[Assistant] And unfortunately, the only way to see those uniforms is on Amazon Prime. Uh, so get your, get your Prime subscription going so you can watch the game on Thursday. Although it will be on free over-the-air television in Cincinnati and Miami in the local markets. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's move on to the final game, which is, might be my second favorite game of the week. I didn't even make this list. These games just show up. Billy's reading my mind. We're just on the same page. Billy, his second show ever, and we're just already on a mind meld here. This is insane.


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[Assistant] Uh, well, you know, you don't want to overreact to the Chargers game, but what about the game before that? I mean, they won 24 to nothing against, they have won two straight games, uh, by more than three touchdowns, and I believe they are just the second team in NFL history to win.


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[Assistant] Multiple games in a row by 24 or more points in which they were an underdog in both games. Uhm, there was a lot to that stat, so I hope that made sense.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and you know, you mentioned that they could have, could be undefeated. This was a Jacksonville team that was winning, was beating the commanders in week one, 22 to 14 with 10 minutes left to play. And you know,


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[Assistant] Going into the season expectations weren't high for Jacksonville, and that was the game where you're, you're still kind of feeling out your new offense, your new coach, you're kind of working out some wrinkles.


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[Assistant] And apparently they worked them out quite quickly, uh, because now they have just rolled in their past two games. And so this is just an interesting matchup to me, uh, because


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[Assistant] Jacksonville has just looked so good on offense. I mean, obviously the defense is playing well because they've only given up 10 points in the past two weeks.


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[Assistant] One of those games where Dougie P is gonna say, you know what? I'm gonna make Jalen Hurts beat me. I know he's played really well this season. I'm not gonna let him run around in the pocket and scramble for 60 yards. I'm gonna make him only beat me with his arm. Let's see if he can do that. And you know, based on what Jalen Hurts has done so far,


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[Assistant] He might be able to do that, uh, but, you know, Doug Peterson has to feel good going in there with the talent he has. And so...


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[Assistant] Long story short, or did I just make a short story long? I'm not sure. Uh, I am grabbing...


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[Assistant] Jacksonville here. I mean six and a half points for a team that has just been rowing. We have to agree to disagree.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. Philadelphia also has a small chance of rain. Not small, it's about 40%. And so that's something that could impact the over-under, but


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[Assistant] I have, my final score prediction is 2724, so I guess that means I'm taking it over Tyler.


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[Assistant] That's a fun fact. That is a fun fact. Here is another fun fact. It's time for a break. Uh, so we're going to take one right now. We get back. We will talk MVP odds and super odds.


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[Assistant] Welcome back. You know, someone asked in the chat last night, Tyler, uh,


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[Assistant] Princeton, why do you look so dumb when you take these breaks and you don't, and there's no break? Well, the thing is, if you're watching on YouTube, there's no break because the show's live, but if you're listening on the audio version, there is a break in there thanks to our very skilled producers.


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[Assistant] We're now here to talk about some MVP candidates. Uh, Lamar Jackson has been going off this season, but he is not the favorite right now.


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[Assistant] Uh, let's take a look at the top six favorites. We'll start with the top two and then we'll go two by two here. So right now the two favorites are, you know what, you know what, we're not even gonna do that. I'm just gonna ask you out of this list of top six.


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[Assistant] Who would you put your money on right now? We have Josh Allen, uh, plus 300, Patrick Mahomes plus 550, Jalen Hertz.


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[Assistant] Plus seven hundred Lamar Jackson plus seven hundred. You got him up there right now. Uh, to a tongue of Loa at plus fourteen hundred Justin Herbert at plus sixteen hundred.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it is crazy that he's been putting up these huge video game numbers, as you mentioned, and his odds, you know, he's not close to Josh Allen now, who is the favorite in terms of odds. And yeah, like you said, the Ravens, after they play, uh,


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[Assistant] The bills and bangles over the next two weeks, they get the Giants, the Browns.


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[Assistant] So yea, Lamar definitely has a chance to put up some impressive numbers. I think the crazy thing about him is that he literally leads the NFL in touchdown passes with 10. He's got two rushing touchdowns, so he has 12 total. He has more total touchdowns by himself than 30 of the NFL's 32 teams. You wanna add to that?


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[Assistant] On top of that, he is also tied as the NFL's


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[Assistant] I mean, how many times can you, uh, take a long shot bet on a quarterback leading the NFL in rushing and not feel completely stupid about it? You can literally bet on Lamar Jackson to lead the NFL in rushing. He is plus 5,000 currently tied, uh, with Christian McCaffrey as the NFL's


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[Assistant] Leading rusher. And you look at other names on this list besides Lamar because, you know, what if he happens, if he can't stay this hot. Jalen Hurts has obviously been awesome. I wouldn't feel too comfortable with Justin Herbert right now, uh, with his rib injury messing things up.


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[Assistant] So probably wouldn't think about him, but Aaron Rodgers, you know, I will say this about Aaron Rodgers. I went up and looked at where his odds were at this exact point last season.


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[Assistant] Uh, and he had the ninth best odds. He was plus.


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[Assistant] 1600, uh, going into week four last season. So it seems like a total long shot. The favorites at that point were, uh, Mahomes, Brady, Kyler Murray.


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[Assistant] Russell Wilson, Matthew Stafford, Josh Allen, Dak Prescott, all ahead of Lamar Jackson, all ahead of Rogers, and he ended up winning it. So it is kind of hard to judge these things this early because someone could


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[Assistant] Well, I feel bad giving all the love to the Jags on this episode since that was literally Brinson's. He, he was, he's been riding the, they're going to win the AFC South train since early July and here we are, uh, still talking about him through.


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[Assistant] We got everyone, uh, we're having a big debate in the comments section about Cooper Rush's MVP odds, uh, with Rush coming out of nowhere. Clearly should be the MVP favorite. I don't know where these odds came from. He's won two games in a row. He's never lost a game in his career. How is this guy not the favorite? Uh, he's going to keep winning.


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[Assistant] He's gonna outdack Dak. Dak took Tony Romo's job, now Cooper's gonna take, uh, Dak Prescott's job. You know what? Cooper Rush doesn't even have the best MVP odds of someone named Cooper because Cooper Cup has better MVP odds.


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[Assistant] So he is way down there, but the thing I love about the Trevor Lawrence one is that if you actually think Jacksonville can win the division and it feels like they absolutely have a shot, if this team goes 11 and 6, Trevor Lawrence is going to get votes. And so if, let's say he has similar stats to Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes, I think voters would go with


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[Assistant] Trevor Lawrence for turning a team around has been so bad, kind of the pity boat if you will, uh, except that


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[Assistant] With similar stats, it's not really pity. It's just, hey, let's get some new blood. Let's give it to someone else. And yes, I think 50 to 1 is fantastic there. I also think, uh, as the Bengals homer, I am obligated to point out the Joe Burrow.


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[Assistant] Well the thing is, and you look at all the guys ahead of Lawrence, uh, Tom Brady's plus 3,000. If I had $100 on to pick Lawrence or Brady, I'm putting the money in Lawrence. Lawrence or Stafford? Lawrence. You just said that. Lawrence or Borough?


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[Assistant] Probably Lawrence, just cause I'm getting double the odds, Burroughs plus 2,500, Lawrence is plus 5,000. Lawrence or Herbert? Lawrence easy, right? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Or 50 to 1. Here is who he has the same odds as, and you would never bet these other two guys. Kirk Cousins is also at plus 5,000. Kyler Murray is also at plus 5,000. Derek Carr also at plus 5,000. Those are the four guys at plus 5,000. It is a no-brainer. There is no way you would bet any of those three guys


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[Assistant] Alright, let's move on from the MVP talk and go to our final topic of the day.


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[Assistant] Super Bowl favorites. We are heading into week three. There are two undefeated teams and neither of them are listed as one of the top three favorites. We've got the Bills up top at plus four 50.


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[Assistant] Watching on YouTube, you can see this. If you are listening on audio, you cannot see this. The Chiefs are second at plus 800. The Buccaneers third at plus 900. Tied with the Eagles who are also plus 900. Then the Packers round out the top five, uh, at plus 1000 or 10 to 1 odds. What do you see there? What catches your eye? Any long shots you like?


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[Assistant] Well, that's the perfect state to have it because Arizona State's a party school, University of Arizona, the Eagles and Bills fans will be on campus just drinking all the alcohol and then, alright, partying all week.


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[Assistant] But also what about the ones who've been talking about the whole podcast, Jacksonville at 60 to one plus 6,000.


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[Assistant] This would be like, uh, when Biff Tannen in Back of the Future 2 made his whole fortune from gambling. That's Tyler Sullivan on the track.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and then I will say, looking at last year's odds, after three weeks, the Rams, who ended up winning, had the third best Super Bowl odds.


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[Assistant] The Bengals were plus 12,500. You could still get 125 to one odds on the Bengals last season after three weeks. And so that's where you look at, hey, is the AFC so wide open that the team could sneak in there? And that's why talking about the Browns or talking about Jacksonville isn't crazy. The Bengals at 30 to one is interesting.


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[Assistant] And I will throw it out because I am obligated to because they were my preseason Superbowl pick, the Denver Broncos.


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[Assistant] Are 22 to 1. Am I happy with my pick right now? I'm not thrilled, but they're 2 and 1. They're tied for first place and I don't think the offense can get any worse. And so if it slowly gets better every week and they keep winning games, uh, 12 to 11 and 13 to 12 and 14 to 10, that's fine. Those are all wins. They count the same.


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[Assistant] Uh, and like Tyler said, once you get to the playoffs, you have a good running game. Delvin Gordon, Javante Williams, a good defense. They clearly have that because they're winning games, even though their offense can't score. You can win in the playoffs.


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[Assistant] Let's go with the Lions because I don't think the Steelers can get to the playoffs and the AFC is too stacked, uh, it's just too tough and the Lions just have the pluckiness that the Bengals had last year with their offense scores points and


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[Assistant] Sometimes that's enough. I mean, they're the second highest scoring team in the NFL. It's something incredibly high. They've scored, uh, they just keep scoring. And so, you know, eventually they'll start closing out and winning these close games that they, you know, the Vikings game they probably should have won.


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[Assistant] Uh, probably should be two and one, but they are not. So I'm gonna go with the lions. I think the plucky lions, I'm gonna stick with the cat theme too. The bangles did it last year.


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[Assistant] Although I will, uh, pour a little cold water on that fun explanation. No rookie quarterback has ever led their team to the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Or, I mean, it sounds like all the offensive players in Pittsburgh are just blaming, uh, Matt Canada, the offensive coordinator. That's also true.


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[Assistant] Who knows what's gonna happen with them, uh, but yep, we're both off. Could you imagine the Lions and the Super Bowl? I don't think fans in Detroit would even know what to do. They would think like they were being punked by the NFL. Is this real? Like, where's Ashton? This is no way this is happening. The Lions are not in the Super Bowl. This is not real. Rihanna just comes out at halftime and says, psych! Yeah, this is not a real game. Uh, this is a preseason game.


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[Assistant] Uh, well, alright, of course we would end with Lion's Super Bowl talk because how else could we end Tuesdays with Tyler?


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[Assistant] Uh, for Tyler Sullivan, I am John Breach. I think Brinton will be back tomorrow, but don't hold me to that because I don't have a schedule. I cannot keep track of Brinton. No one can. Uh, but someone will see you guys tomorrow. Thanks for listening.


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[Assistant] Uh, and you know what? We're gonna get right to this and we're gonna start talking about the Thursday night football game.


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[Assistant] Between what has been two of the worst offenses in football this year, the Indianapolis Colts and the Denver Broncos. This game is being played in Denver. And the weird thing about these two teams is that it's really the Broncos how we've kind of heard all season.


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[Assistant] That their offense can't do anything, that it struggles, and although those two things may be true,


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[Assistant] Uh, they've actually scored more points than the Colts have this season. So the Broncos offense has been bad, but it's been better than Indianapolis' offense. And so that's one of those interesting things to keep in mind here. Brinton, welcome back. We went straight into talking about, uh, Broncos-Colts.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, well, all I was saying was that the Broncos offense has been made fun of all year and that the Broncos have actually scored more points than the Colts through four weeks. So as bad as the Broncos offense has been, the Colts offense has been worse. Uh, and I think the Broncos have a better defense. I have a tough time seeing the Colts score in this game and Brinson,


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[Assistant] This is the magical two time zone game that we have talked about in the past.


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[Assistant] Uh, the teams that fly to time zones West for a Thursday night football game are two and 13 straight up all time, uh, and two 12 and one against the spread all time and both wins and covers or by the Green Bay Packers. So if you take the Packers out, no other team has ever covered or one in this situation.


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[Assistant] Because Dyerot Taylor and Dale Jones were both injured. Brenton, I think I agree with you. Here's a fun fact about this game. This will be the first time since the international series started in 2007 that London fans have gotten to see a game that matches up two teams that both have a winning record. That has never happened. They've been sending teams over to one for 15 years.


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[Assistant] Uh, and you know, you mentioned one of the key things that I'm looking at here and it is not just Aaron Rodgers first trip, but this is the Packers first trip to London. They don't have that experience of going, uh, eight time zones away and, uh, playing a game that's this early on your body clock. And you know, this is an eight 30 AM central time start for the Packers.


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[Assistant] And then the other thing is, you know, we saw how the Patriots kind of stayed in the game today. It was that they were able to run the ball. Obviously they played good defense and then they picked their spots when they were throwing and the Giants kind of have an offense that's built the same way. If Saquon Barfield is playing, I think that's the big one you already mentioned him.


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[Assistant] If he's playing, I think I really like the Giants to cover the seven and a half because the Giants can kind of, uh, just run with Saquon and then pick their spots with Daniel Jones or Tyrod Taylor to try and throw a few passes. Uh, but yeah, I think I would lean Giants here too.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, you know, double-digit point spreads are always a little intimidating because it only takes, uh, uh, it's easy to see a backdoor touchdown. The Bills could literally be winning by 20 points, Pittsburgh scores with


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[Assistant] 90 seconds left and, and boom, they cover. And so that is a little scary. Uh, I'm gonna mention this set every week until it changes.


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[Assistant] Since drafting TJ Watt, the Steelers are 0-7 when he is out on the field. They have never won a game without him. He obviously won't be on the field. And so what we've seen since he's been out is that they have zero pass rush. And so when you're going up against Josh Allen, who went into week four as the NFL's leading passer, and you can't put pressure on him,


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[Assistant] That just feels like he is going to have a huge game. And so this feels like a game where the Bills score 30, maybe 34 points. And at that point it's, do you think the Steelers offense can put up 20 points with Kenny Pickett or Mitchell Trubisky? And it feels like the answer is no. So yeah, I think I'm with you. I, this is a game I'd probably stay away from. I think I'm winning Bills too.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and you mentioned the Lions over. They are the highest scoring team in the NFL through four weeks, assuming the chiefs don't score about 60 points tonight, which they might.


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[Assistant] Uh, but I mean, they have just been lighting up the scoreboard. It doesn't matter if they're winning or losing their scoring points, but now they have to go against a Bill Belichick defense. We saw what happened to Jared Goff in Super Bowl 53. If they're, you know, you feel a little uneasy, uh, expecting the line to score against this defense.


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[Assistant] Uh, but I do agree with you. I think the Patriots feel like the play because it's just tough seeing


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[Assistant] We're not going to see that this week. I feel like they score maybe in the 20s and that, you know what the funny thing is, for instance, we didn't even mention, we don't even know who the Patriots quarterback is going to be. It might be Belly Zappy, it might be Brian Hoyer, a very, very, very outside chance that it's going to be Mack Jones, but it doesn't matter because they're all the same person.


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[Assistant] The Patriots want to play defense, run the ball and let their quarterback throw five good passes a game and they can win like that. They almost beat the Packers. So yeah, I think I like the Patriots.


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[Assistant] With that press got out, the Cowboys have one recipe for winning. It is just crush everyone on defense.


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[Assistant] And pray that Cooper Rush doesn't make any mistakes and he hasn't. He just plays just good enough football to get them wins. He comes up with three or four clutch throws per game and then they let the defense do the rest and that's working for them. So.


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[Assistant] Uh, if the Cowboys have won 3 straight for Cooper Rush, there is no way, uh, I'm betting against them at this point, especially if I'm getting 6 points. So I like the Cowboys here right now.


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[Assistant] But you also have Michael Gallup back, so even if they don't tend to minimize CD-LAM, uh, a little more weapons to work with for, uh, Cooper.


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[Assistant] Uh, maybe if this gets to a touchdown, I would take Arizona, but I think at this point, look, I don't know what to think of the Cardinals, but here's what I've seen is that they didn't look great against the Panthers till the end and the game was 10 to 10 for most of the Panthers.


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[Assistant] I love what the Eagles are doing. They can run the ball. They can throw the ball. They play good defense. They, they're just good at everything and you rarely see a team that is so awesome at everything. So I do think you said the Eagles are five and a half right now. Five and a half. I think I'm taking the Eagles right now. Oh yeah. I'm taking the Eagles at five and a half.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know what, Branson? We know which way I'm going. Uh, I don't even, I, I, I, I'll go ahead and explain myself, you know, which way that I'm gonna go. Look. By the way, the bagel's plus three and a half is minus one twenty, so it, it looks like it's probably gonna get to three. Little juiced already. Uh, you know, the bagel swept the series last year, last season. The big reason for that was because


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[Assistant] They know how to slow down Lamar Jackson. Other teams, Lamar's kind of a shock to their system because they don't see him all that often, but you'll see him twice a year. And then of course, Joe Burrow went off in both games against the Ravens last season through for 525 yards and one game through for over 400 yards.


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[Assistant] And the other game, and the only reason I bring up last season because a lot of times you don't necessarily want to do that is that


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[Assistant] The Ravens haven't really done anything to prove that they've improved their defense to the point that they can slow down, uh, Joe Burrow and the Bengals offense. So I think that Burrow's gonna go off again, put up huge numbers again, uh, and I will, I think the Bengals actually win this game. So if you're gonna give me three and a half points, I'll take it.


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[Assistant] I mean, I think they lost by like three touchdowns in both games, so I'm not sure.


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[Assistant] You never want to have a kerfuffle between the head coach and one of your defensive players.


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[Assistant] You have the schedule in front of you, Prince. I don't know. I just go along with you. You're the host. I was. Yes. Ravens Bangles, I think is Sunday Night Football.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's what I feel about this game is that if there's one team that like Andy Reed and Patrick Mums just own together, it is the Raiders.


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[Assistant] They've won 7 of their past 8, and it's not even they've won 7 of 8, it's that they have averaged like 38.


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[Assistant] And Andy Reid always seems to be one step ahead of anything the Raiders do. And if it turns into a shootout, you know, who do I want? Patrick Mahomes or Derek Carr? Uh, the Raiders haven't looked bad this season, so seven does feel like a lot. I don't think I would go any higher, but I think I'll lean to Chiefs here.


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[Assistant] I can't remember if it's on the podcast or just on the YouTube. I think it's just YouTube. But anyway, joining me.


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[Assistant] To discuss early week two lines, a very, very happy John breach or it is on the pod feed. So if you're listening, you can check that out as well. An audio form. I wonder if we'll discuss what the bingles line is next week.


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[Assistant] Pick six bands. It's that glorious time on the sports calendar. Football is back. You listen to watch the pod. You've got your best bets in now. It's time to follow your action. And the best way to do that is with the CBS Sports app features lightning fast live scoring for every pro college football game and all major sports, of course.


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[Assistant] Of, I guess it is, right? It is the first Amazon Prime game, right? Don't say something like bold, like I think it is the first Amazon Prime game and it's going to feature


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[Assistant] Chargers at the Chiefs, a fantastic matchup. That's what happens when you give the NFL $3 billion to broadcast games and hire Kirk Herbstreet and Al Michaels amongst a host of other people.


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[Assistant] That they roll you out some, some of the, some of the good stuff, the uncut high octane stuff. And that's chargers at chiefs, the chiefs minus three over under 54 breach. My initial instinct here is that while this line won't move a ton, the way that the chiefs looked in a post Tyree kill world.


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[Assistant] With the way that that offense operated against the Cardinals, just slicing and dicing them, finding all these different receivers. Clyde versus Lair looked really good in the run game. I would anticipate that this line might shift a little towards Kansas City.


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[Assistant] Although division rivalry, the Chargers look good. They took care of business against the Raiders at a quasi home game on Sunday, Sunday afternoon. Uh, maybe it won't move too much. I can't see the total getting cranked up. If anything, it might come down a little bit, but with that, you know, shorter week, um,


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[Assistant] Tennessee ready read to run. Maybe, you know, if they lead, they could pound the ball. Maybe we'll see. Um, you can see the total drop maybe a little bit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you can see, uh, if you're, if you're watching on YouTube, youtube.com slash pick six. And if you are watching smash the like button, hit the subscribe button, turn on alerts that has already drifted up to minus three and a half minus one or five. So it's just a little bit shaded there. Um, you know, if you want to take the charger to plus three and a half, you have to lay that, that minus one 15. I think, you know, I'm probably going to take the chiefs here.


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[Assistant] I don't think I had a very good week wanting it to spread. That's okay. Um, short week, Andy Reed.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, his preparation and I feel like what you saw from the Chiefs was very much a focused, like, hey, look, we know everyone's talking about Tyreek Hill. Everybody's been talking about the Chargers and the Raiders.


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[Assistant] And the Broncos all offseason, we're aware of that. And we would like to remind you that we are still.


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[Assistant] The gold standard for this division. I think that the chiefs take care of business. I would much rather have three than three and a half. And I think, um, if I was betting the total.


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[Assistant] And you know, Chargers can obviously throw it around, but the Chiefs are not afraid to squeeze the clock. The Dolphins at the Ravens on Sunday. The Ravens minus four and a half over under 45 and a half. This line is actually already drifted down to four.


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[Assistant] Total has not budged the Dolphins performance against the Patriots, uhm, really taking care of business against New England, uh, and Baltimore of course absolutely dominated the Jets, although it was a slower start for them. Uhm, you know, not surprising to see this north of, of three.


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[Assistant] I think it, I think this is another one that probably sits right around this number there.


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[Assistant] Actually, I would say that the Patriots were very unimpressive against the Dolphins. How about that? Uhm, you know, two, there was one, the one big play to waddle on, it was fourth and seven.


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[Assistant] That would end up being a jailbreak to the house. It's like letting that happen is so on Belichick like, and I do think that, um, change the tenor of the game and.


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[Assistant] The Patriots weren't very good. I think the Ravens are a lot better. I would expect Lamar Jackson to have a much more impressive game. This is also his home opener. That place gets loud. I will probably take the Dolphins. I mean, I'll take the Ravens here, but I think that this is a pretty good line.


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[Assistant] Given how, uh, you know, Tua and that offense looked with Tyree Kale and Jayler Waddle, who were just very difficult to defend.


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[Assistant] Probably lean towards the under here, but we need to see the weather. Um, I think both teams could be a little more methodical and run the ball a bunch, which would lead toward the under, but they, these, both these teams can certainly have explosive play. So I don't, I don't have a.


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[Assistant] Huge lean on either one of those right now. Uh, we'll just watch the weather. Of course it could always come down.


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[Assistant] The Colts were so lethargic on offense. A couple big drops by some receivers, uh, led to not getting any points.


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[Assistant] They eventually went to overtime where they tied the Houston Texans thanks to some kicking shenanigans, which of course we'll get to in the recap.


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[Assistant] The Jaguars had the Washington commanders.


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[Assistant] Like I actually called him by the real name, uh, sort of backed into a corner and let him off the hook. Uh, what are you saying about the Jags is a four point dog at home against any Indianapolis Colts here.


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[Assistant] Uh, Smash spot for the Jaguars here for me. I like the Jags plus four. I think that gets closer to, uh, three by the time kickoff. I think it'll drift a little bit like the, uh, the Washington line did in Jacksonville. I thought it looked pretty good.


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[Assistant] Some missed throws by Trevor Lawrence. The defense just couldn't, it just couldn't give up two, a couple of huge plays to Carson Wentz, uh, and Jahan Dotson and Terry McLaurin where if, you know, you let either, stop either one of those and maybe you win the game, um,


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[Assistant] I wasn't very impressed with the Colts. I think they're gonna take a little bit more time to get going. So I'll take the Jaguars there and I would, I think that would be an early lean and early bet for me if I were making one on that game. All right, let's take a break and when we come back more week two lines next.


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[Assistant] The Lions opened up as a minus one with an overrunner of forty six and a half and has already drifted to minus one and a half Detroit.


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[Assistant] Covered, somehow covered against the Eagles. What an annoying backdoor cover by the Lions. That's what they do. That's what Dan Campbell does. He bites ankles and he backdoor covers. You know, this is a little different beast though, because you're favored.


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[Assistant] And, you know, Washington, the, the offense are good. I think I would probably lean towards the over here at 46 and a half. Um, I don't know if it'll climb at all, but.


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[Assistant] Detroit's defense is not very good and I think you can score on them. Carson Winch should have some success there and you know that Detroit is not afraid to get involved in these like wild scoring affairs. I think we could see plenty of points in this one too.


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[Assistant] All right. Well, if they can't keep up with the commanders and they're able to score, I think we get, uh, and we certainly, the lines don't quit. They'll just find some explosive plays late in the game if they're trailing. And that's how you backdoor that over as well. That over in Philly, Philly, uh, Detroit over, I took it live, I think at 52 and a half and Philly scored their first touchdown. It was like.


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[Assistant] I mean, oh no, Detroit scored first. They scored the first touchdown. It was a no, I mean, just a sweat free W on that. All right. Next up for us, we have a Sunday game. Oh man, this used to be a gym for CBS. Now, not so much.


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[Assistant] Patriots at Steelers. The Patriots open minus one and a half with a total of 41 and a half. It has already drifted to Patriots minus one. I know that Bill Belichick owns my Talon, but I thought Mitchell Trubisky was serviceable. Mac Jones has a back injury. I don't see the Steelers are a smash here.


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[Assistant] You know what he said as he was walking off, like you could see him out, he said, I tore my pack. Like he, it feels like he is more than likely done. Almost certainly.


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[Assistant] Okay, I think, I think it's close to Steelers favorite. So if you like, if you like the Steelers take him now, uhm, I don't know how much lower this, uh, you know, this turtle could drift, but I mean, like I would, I mean, I would probably lean under on, on this one, right? I mean,


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[Assistant] Man, I mean, these two teams might not score very many points at all. So this could total close at 39 and a half. That wouldn't be shocking. You know, we saw that with Chicago, with that weather, how quickly that dipped. Speaking of the Bears, they are at the Packers on Monday Night Football. The Packers are minus nine and a half.


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[Assistant] For this game, those lines have not moved at all since they were set. You know, I mean.


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't see how you can, I don't see how this edition of the Packers.


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[Assistant] Can be like a double digit favorite over a division rival, although the bears had.


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[Assistant] We're almost like just completely worthless in the entire first half. They like 27 yards in the first half. Um, no points. And then the 49ers just completely folded. Chicago picked up a huge win at home in their opener. This is a different beast though. The Packers defense should be able to completely nullify the Bears and


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[Assistant] That rush defense of Chicago and like just normal Green Bay weather and in September, I would think that this is a AJ Dylan Aaron Jones SmashBot.


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[Assistant] But I mean, like I'm not laying nine and a half a week ahead of time on a Sunday, you know, Sunday night football where, and then it closes at like seven. You feel like an idiot. Like this isn't going to rock it up to 13 and a half or anything like that. I, I would be, if it goes to double digits, people will take the bears. Uh, even if it means like pinching your nose and doing so. Oh, we got a Monday night football double header this week.


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[Assistant] Tennessee Titans at the Buffalo Bills. The Bills open minus nine and a half. The total open at 49 and a half, 50, excuse me. It has dropped down to 49 and a half. Just a slight move there. Buffalo, of course, getting 10 days rest because they played on Thursday or 11 days rest because it's Thursday to Monday and the Titans coming off.


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[Assistant] A tough L against the, uh, the New York Giants where they had a chance late to win after, after giving up a touchdown, a two point conversion.


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[Assistant] You know, I think Mike Vrabel seems pretty good about bouncing back, but if you were, if you were picking the spot to bounce back in, this is not the one, this is not where you'd want to do it. Uh, probably a pretty good look on a potential teaser.


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[Assistant] Uh, seven point teaser for the Packers or the Bills where you get them to two and a half and you just hope they win by a field goal.


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[Assistant] Uh, not banged up, they're still trying to figure out what's going on with their, their offense, you know, 10, it's a nice place, but it's like.


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[Assistant] I mean, Dr. O'Hillyard ain't coming in and taking out, you know, the bill's defense. That's not gonna happen.


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[Assistant] Finally, the second Monday football game, the Vikings at my Eagles.


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[Assistant] This line open Eagles minus two and a half over under 48. The Eagles are now minus three and the over under has climbed up 1.249. The most of the Vikings looked.


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[Assistant] Fantastic. Justin Jefferson is a problem. Like he's just going, like if you can get any kind of decent number on Justin Jefferson to win offensive player of the year, that's, that's a pretty good bet. Kirk Cousins, MVP bets are kind of live and


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[Assistant] At the same time, the Eagles looked like a truck stick too, man. I mean, they were, they were rolling all over AJ Brad. It took a little while to get going. Jalen Hurts a little rusty.


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[Assistant] He got like five rushes for 35 yards. It was oh and five, but eventually started to get it going against that line's defense Minnesota's defense better. Uh, but I still think they should be able to move the ball in the air. Um, and, and, you know, that ground game that they have.


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[Assistant] I like this game a lot. I, you know, that's a high total for that second Monday night double header. Uh, but you know, I would certainly.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I would think that this line creeps. I mean, like it's possible that Kevin O'Connell just unlocked, just changes who the Vikings are. I mean, they ran, they ran.


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[Assistant] Way more 11 personnel. They got, you know, got the three wide receivers out there. Then they, they, they, they did it like less than 50% of the time last year, which is bottom five in the league. And it was like at 75% or something crazy on a, on Sunday. So I would, I would think that this actually ends up being a pretty high scoring game.


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[Assistant] If you're taking the Viking, if you want the Vikings, I would probably take it now. Maybe it sits at three because that's, but there's a chance I think it comes back down and people jump all over the Vikings believing that they can come in there and that they're a totally different team than we thought before the season started. All right.


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[Assistant] That'll do it for us. Those are some week two lines early look ahead. Of course, we'll be back for a recap podcast after Sunday Night Football ends. So make sure and hit subscribe and turn on alerts on the YouTube page. You will get a notification 30 minutes before we go live. And then we're going to notification when we go live.


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[Assistant] Myself and John Breach will be joined by Ryan Wilson, who will, I'm sure,


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[Assistant] Uh, I talked to several people who attended the game and they all disagree with that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the charges were up 10-0. They were up 17-7.


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[Assistant] You know what's funny is I think my main takeaway, and this is outside the Justin Herbert injury, which is obviously the biggest takeaway because if he's out for any period of time, that changes the dynamics of everything in the AFC, the AFC West.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but outside of that, I would say my main takeaway was the Chiefs defense. They were just, the Chargers were running up and down the field in the first half and I don't know what happened a half time.


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[Assistant] Uh, but they did something because in the second half, they came out and just absolutely shut down LA. And yes, the Chargers did score, uh, a touchdown on their opening possession of the second half, but then there was


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I don't know that if, even if he's at full energy, that Herbert got baited inside. He threw it to the inside in the corner, I think knocks it down, even if, or he gets in a fight with the Chargers receiver and they simultaneously possess it and they both land at the one yard line. I don't think the Chargers are scoring a touchdown there under any circumstance. I just don't think it was a great throw.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, I mean it was the pick six. The game was tied. The game was tied 17-17. The Chargers scored a touchdown there. They're up 24-17. So, you basically have a 14 point swing. Uhm, so, to me, there wasn't, this game, if you pinpoint it down to one play, I think it's that play.


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[Assistant] I thought Brandon Saley's gonna go for this because they're so close and we all saw Brandon Saley last year, uh, but I think you hit the nail on the head. I think he left his, uh, fourth call, fourth down play call sheet in LA or, or set it on fire last night in his hotel room or something, uh, cause it was not with him today. I thought.


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[Assistant] Based on his mentality, I thought they probably should have gone for that.


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[Assistant] And then, uh, next possession, still winning 10-7. They punt on 4th and 2 from the Chiefs 48 yard line. So back to back possessions. And I'm only bringing that up real quick because all three of them happened in the first half. If you go back to last year's, uh, the second Chiefs Chargers game,


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[Assistant] Which the Chiefs won in overtime. Uh, Staley went for it on fourth and goal from the five. So that's basically, you know, fourth and five. He went for it on fourth and goal from the one. You know, obviously again, didn't get it. No points. And then he also went for it on fourth and one, uh,


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[Assistant] Wait, so we had two fourths in goals and then there was a...


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[Assistant] Three times where he went for it, didn't get it on any of the occasions and then they lose in overtime. And you know, I feel like things like that and reading everything that everybody was saying all off season, like, well, if you would have just kicked one field goal against the chiefs, you don't go to overtime because you win 31 28 and it feels like.


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[Assistant] He scared himself out of going for 4,000. I mean, there's something to this. There is no reason that this guy, who was Mr. Go-Ford all the time last year, should have, uh, not gone for a single, in any one of these three instances we just mentioned.


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[Assistant] See, I'm a person who goes by the feel of the game and at that point...


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[Assistant] Uh, if you go for it on fourth and inches from your own 29, you're basically handing the Chargers at least three points because they're already in range for a 46-yard field one. It's an inch. Now, but hold on. And they had not been able to stop the Chargers offense.


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[Assistant] So with your defense struggling, uh, I'm fine with that call there just because they were so deep in their own territory.


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[Assistant] And by the way, you know why that decision ended up paying off? Because Mr. Tommy Townsend, the unsung hero of this game, got off a 60-yard bomb, uh, and pinned the Chargers down at their, uh, got caught at the 11. I think there was a return. So he flipped the field and, uh, that made Andy Reid


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[Assistant] But I also don't think they necessarily got it wrong. It's, it was just one of those, it's too, it's, it's the old, if, if everybody doesn't agree on it in a bar, then you shouldn't overturn it. And no one agreed on this. I saw, you were on Twitter, half of Twitter thought it was interception, half of it thought it was incomplete. I was on team incomplete, you were on team interception, but had they kept ruling on the field, I would have been fine with that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I thought that, uh, everything from the pre-game show was interesting to see. It's Patrick.


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[Assistant] But hold on, don't underplay that. That was a crazy play where it is third and ten, Mahomes is under pressure, slips up, throws a laser that the Chargers defender misses by about three inches from knocking the ball down. It was a crazy throw.


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[Assistant] Somebody told me that, hey, Breach, you can still be on the podcast going forward, but you can't talk about the bangles anymore.


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[Assistant] If it's your thing, if Brandon Saly's philosophy is going forward on 4th down, how could he let someone talk him out? Even if they said, Hey, we're going to fire you. If this, you know, costs us games, then he'd say, fine, fire me. I'm going to stick with the way I coach him is stick my, for him to change his philosophy after one off season is just unbelievable.


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[Assistant] Right? No, they did show a replay. There was one replay of it. And I thought it wasn't moving. Are you sure? I I'm pretty sure it looked like a good call. And I think that, I mean, you know, Staley's got his guys watching it in the booth, trying to get, figure out what happened there. And it did feel like, uh, Kelsey's elbow slammed against the ground and then the ball popped out.


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[Assistant] The Asante Samuel interception was a closer, more controversial play than the Kelsey play to me.


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[Assistant] Okay, so here is where I and I'm not sure what if you have like the analytical numbers in front of you.


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[Assistant] But it becomes for me a comfort thing where...


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[Assistant] If you don't get it and you just got, so you're the, you're the chiefs. You just got stopped first and goal from the three, second and goal from the one, third and goal from the one. So you've been stopped on three straight plays. And now if you don't score.


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[Assistant] You're trailing, you're giving the Chargers the ball back. Where are you giving the ball back to though? Yeah, but it's the Chargers who have, you know, we, you don't know how high power their offense is.


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[Assistant] No, no, I'm saying they probably, like the smart, the analytical play is probably to go for it. But if you're a coach and you're thinking, you know, let's just tie this game up. We're playing better football right now. We're going to win this in the end. Like I understand that thought process.


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[Assistant] No, so here my thinking, if this is the first or second quarter and I'm, I'm, I'm going


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[Assistant] But this one involves tying the game in the fourth quarter. That's the difference for me.


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[Assistant] I know it's 99, but you know, you mentioned, uh, Gerald Everett and how tired he was. He literally was about to take a nap on the field, uh, after collapsing. But you know, he clearly, they showed the replay that he signaled to the bench. So is that not on the coaching staff or?


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[Assistant] With only four minutes left and so if you go for it here and you don't get it then the


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[Assistant] You're gonna get the ball back. And if you, uh, if it's a three and out here, then you're looking at, if they don't get any yards, it's a 55 yard field goal. If they get five yards, it's a 53 yard field goal. So assuming you get the three at three and out that you're going to need, whether you punt the ball or not, you're looking at a difficult field goal and the chiefs have a kicker. They literally just signed this week, uh, who, you know,


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[Assistant] You send him out for a 50-yard bill in crunch time. There is no guarantee that Matt Amdahl is making that, so.


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[Assistant] Boom. There you go. So if I'm the Chargers, I would have gone for the fourth and sixth, uh, with four minutes left.


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[Assistant] Or what if Stanley did this, Wilson, so that when he talks to whoever, if it's the owner GM this week, like, Hey bro, if I would have gone for it a couple of times, we would have won. So can I go back to my style?


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[Assistant] Uh, I mean, the same amount of time is gonna run out. You know, you're saving 40 seconds, so as long as you're getting it, as long as you're saving the full 40 seconds, then it makes sense.


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[Assistant] Real quick, the one advantage, or not even one advantage, but one of the advantages of using the timeouts that early is that your hope is that you get the ball back on the right side of the two minute warning so that you have the ball and you can control when you get the free timeout.


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[Assistant] 2-20 left and you have no timeouts and the Chiefs have the ball, they're gonna run one play and run it down two minute warning. 2-20 left and you have the ball, you might be able to run three plays, uh, if you throw it each time and, you know, gain ten yards, go out of bounds.


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[Assistant] So, that's, you know, you wanna get the ball back before the two minute warning.


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[Assistant] Number one, don't kick out of bounds cause you're an absolute fool. Uh, and like just, you need to get as high a bounce as possible as it gets near the 10 yard mark and give your team the best chance. And I ended up working out real well. I mean, that ball was literally out there for about two seconds where anyone could have gotten it. And, uh, first I


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it's gone down even more now that you have to line up an even amount of guys on each side. You can't stack the side like they used to do back in the day. So that was that.


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[Assistant] I mean, so far they don't look better, but I think that Mahomes is still getting comfortable with his new wide receivers. I mean,


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, Juju had three catches, Bauda, Scanling had two catches. It's not like they're doing a lot of damage, but it feels like he's just getting more comfortable with them in the offense. They're getting more comfortable in the offense.


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[Assistant] And so, you know, I think that they're only more comfortable with each other as the season progresses. And then obviously, you know, Justin Watson, who caught the 41 yard touchdown pass, it's his first year in this offense. So.


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[Assistant] Uh, you have a bunch of guys who are in there for the first time and


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[Assistant] They don't need to make a play all the time, but if they come up with a couple big plays, get the win and then...


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[Assistant] Get better next week. It sounds like coach speak, but that's what you do when you have a bunch of new guys around you.


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[Assistant] No, they're gonna tie 0-0 because everyone's just gonna punt.


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[Assistant] Yeah, absolutely. If Chase Daniels is in there, they could lose any one of those three games. And don't forget, like, Corey Linsley went out. They're all pro center. If he's out, that's trouble. We don't know. You know, Keenan Allen's supposed to be back, but we don't know if he'll be back. So if Justin Herbert doesn't play,


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[Assistant] Whole entire offense can be decimated by injuries. So I don't think any of these three next three games are a lock if Herbert's out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and as, uh, as Victor Garcia mentions in the chat, not only did Davis Mills beat the Chargers while they had Justin Herbert last year, but it was an absolute thrashing. The Texans won, uh, 41 to 29, I think. So that was, you know, anyone can lose to anyone, and if Herbert's out, that just makes it more likely.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't know how they can, how, uh, Staley can know anything if these x-rays aren't back yet. So, you know, until you know for sure that they're positive or negative.


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[Assistant] Which is rough because you keep taking hits there and it gets worse.


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[Assistant] Maybe we should get doctorates next offseason. And then we can say, we're actually doctors, we know how this works.


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[Assistant] But, uh, you know, it's the Colts home opener and, you know, tonight was the Chiefs home opener. I just feel like there's always a little, teams are a little amped up when they are playing their home opener. And especially when they open with two straight games on the road.


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[Assistant] But I also think they beat the Colts, but I think they could lose either team, but I would pick them to win both those games.


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[Assistant] Let me give you a fun fact about the Colts and the Chiefs. Bring it. The last time Patrick Mahomes faced them in the regular season, the Colts won and guess who their starting quarterback was?


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[Assistant] Old Tommy Townsend is my underrated player of the game here. You know, I mentioned, we talked about that fourth and inches the Chiefs had and Townsend justified it by getting off the 60 yard punt. The next possession, the Chiefs had a fourth and six at their own 17 with like 25 seconds left. And if he gets off,


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[Assistant] Chargers will take the ball over at like the 35 or 40 yard line. You need two big plays during field goal range. No, Tommy Townsend gets off a 74 yard punt right before halftime. The ball rolls down to the nine yard line and the Chargers have no choice.


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[Assistant] And that was a huge punt because I feel like anything, if it didn't go past the 20, the Chargers were going to play it for a field goal.


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[Assistant] Okay, so did I. I picked the Chargers to win the division. I picked the Chiefs to win this game. I just felt like overall the Chargers have a friendlier schedule and we're seeing that, you know, over the next three games that they absolutely should win. Uh, and you know, by the time, by the time we reach the end of October, the Chargers might be back in first place.


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[Assistant] Welcome to the Big Six Podcast, everybody. Uh, it's a in-season mailbag, which is quite an uncommon breach. Even better news, Will Brinton is gone. We got a new third wheel, Brad White.


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[Assistant] So here's the deal, Breech. Prince is not really gone. So I'm sorry to have excited people listening or watching, thinking that they had finally rid themselves of Brinson. He's doing another podcast with Petey Prisco and RJ White, the PixPod. He'll be here in a second.


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[Assistant] For reasons unknown, other than he was trying to say, uh, help St. Jude's, um, won the lottery. What was it? It was the eBay bid to, to come on the podcast with us. And, uh, during a mail bag and then sees a mailbox. So Brad, thank you for your generosity. And I apologize ahead of time for whatever breach and Princeton end up saying.


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[Assistant] So uhm, Rich, let's start quickly with, uh, Brad gives a little recap. So we found out he lives in San Diego. And Brad, I'll just ask you, where are you at in your Chargers fandom?


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[Assistant] Yeah, that 2009 game, is that the Troy Palamalu catch game? The interception?


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[Assistant] Pretty ch- here's how old I am. I was a senior in college and I remember quite vividly Stan Humphries and Naturel Means doing absolutely nothing in that game just because, I mean that's a tall task.


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[Assistant] That's right, man. UNC, baby. I was at the, uh, Hinesville in 2003 breach for a Chargers game. My buddy, his family had season tickets and, uhm, we went. It was late season. The Steelers sucked that year, so no one's had the game. But Doug Flutie started over Drew Brees. Drew Brees had been drafted in 0-2. And LaDenia Thompson played.


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[Assistant] And my last memory of that game wasn't of the Seals 1 because it was again not very exciting. It was that I went into the bathroom at some point in the game and I saw this heavyset Chargers fan wearing a Ryan Leaf jersey passed out.


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[Assistant] In a stall, like hugging the, the toilet. Like that's how, like that, that leaves the lasting impression because the, the grossness was, was off the scale. Uhm.


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[Assistant] My dry Ruah. I'm just making up names here. I think so it is. All right. We're almost one quarter of the way through the season, unless they can exceed expectations, which coaches are in danger of getting fired in season and which are likely to be fired in January. My money for in season is on Matt rule and for January cliff and Zach Taylor.


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[Assistant] So uhm, let's throw a couple other names in here as I look quickly. Uhm.


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[Assistant] I'll throw in, you can tell me, both Brad and Breach, whether you agree mid-season, into season or never. Ron Rivera, I'll throw in there.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I mean, Lovey Smith, because they fire the coach every year.


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[Assistant] And what, uh, Brandon Staley, I'll mention, who I love. And then finally, I'll mention Josh McDaniels as well, who's 0-3 somehow.


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[Assistant] Oh, that's a great one. Yeaah, I was looking at the records. They're two in one and Nathaniel Hackett might be the top of the list. Breach, I'll start with you and we'll see what Brad thinks after you impart your wisdom.


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[Assistant] That's also the same place where Steve Kahn drafted quarterbacks in the top 10 in back to back years.


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[Assistant] And also, what about the dynamic? And I don't know if this will happen in Arizona, but typically happens when it's clear that the coach is screwing up and the GM tries to distance himself from the coach that he hired. And then, you know, the Game of Thrones thing takes over.


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[Assistant] Okay, I'll ask you the question that I've asked.


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[Assistant] That's a precess. But Brad made the good point that, uh, even though the team is 2-1, Nathaniel Hackett could be in the conversation.


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[Assistant] No, I'm saying, Russ, I mean, uhm, Aaron Rodgers may have been onto something. That's why I shook my head.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I mean that you're just going to keep paying them for terrible football. I mean, you're paying them for.


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[Assistant] Terrible football. Either way. Yeah. All right. Let me mention a couple other names and we'll move on here. Um, I mentioned Josh Mcgagel to Brayden Staley. Imagine three coaches get fired in the UFC West.


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[Assistant] That would be incredible. And Breach mentioned that Sean Payton Chargers rumors are strong.


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[Assistant] All right, rank them in terms of likely to be the head coach, uh, next September. Hackett, Staley, McDaniels.


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[Assistant] Alright, uhm, quickly one more. Ron Rivera, one and two. Team looks terrible.


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[Assistant] At Stub 67 writes, with Trevor Lawrence starting to look like the real deal, uh, thanks Doug. Should we go downgrade Uncle Urban from the worst NFL head coach ever to worst head coach in all of American sports ever? Okay, so the first question is, who's been a worst coach? Like that pops into your head after a second.


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[Assistant] Like what are you going to be a good comp? Breach, what are some terrible bingles coaches?


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[Assistant] I'll tell you who was, I'll tell you who was a really bad coach. Some NC State nonsense. Sidney Lowe.


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[Assistant] Okay, but he wasn't as bad as Urban Meyer. It is hard to find a situation where it was so dysfunctional so quickly.


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[Assistant] Uh, and I said it before when he got fired at the time. If you go back and read, uhm, I can't remember who wrote it for ESPN. It was some long form thing, really well done. It may have been, uhm,


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[Assistant] Right Thompson, I'm not sure, but he, he went and covered, uh, Urban at Ohio State and you read it and like, oh, this guy's a hard worker. But when you read it in the light of what happened in Jacksonville, like, oh, this makes perfect sense. Sort of what Brad was talking about. Uh, when you sort of connect the dots, like, oh yeah, how did anyone not see this coming?


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[Assistant] But Bobby Petrino also didn't coach at Florida and Ohio State. Now, I think


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[Assistant] I think it's fair to say that Urban turned Florida around. Is that right? I didn't follow.


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[Assistant] Well, the, what's the follow up? What, what are the bingles use of two first arm picks on? Cause it could have been an enhanced pick.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I didn't watch NBA, but he, he was, he was sort of a cancer in the locker room too, wasn't he?


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[Assistant] He went 56 in 108 while coaching the Knicks.


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[Assistant] Well as Brad noted, the kicker could make the harassment argument as well.


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[Assistant] Well, here's the joke. He's gonna, he'll be coaching football next year or the year after.


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[Assistant] Yeah, why would they, why would they pimp that I said? Why would they promote that?


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[Assistant] Yeah, Breach wasn't kidding about that. Alright, Devo says we have to take a break. We'll take a break, come back, do a few more mailbags.


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[Assistant] Alright, we're back. Brinson's still here. Didn't even go get some ice.


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[Assistant] Eblazel asks on the old Twitter machine, what's more likely the AFC West has a losing record against the AFC South? I'll take a start. Or a team with a different quarterback than the year before wins the Super Bowl for the third straight year. So Tom Brady, Matthew Stafford, Miss Chibisky, or Column A? The South beat the crap out of the West last week.


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[Assistant] So I think, uh, Jimmy G doesn't count cause he was already there. I think that's it. So Matt Ryan.


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[Assistant] I think there's a better chance that the AFC South dominates the AFC West.


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[Assistant] Alright, ehm, at John Steichen asks, oh, do you want to say something, Breach?


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[Assistant] If you could put one player from the seventies, eighties and nineties in today's game, I think the first thing that comes to my mind is Lawrence Taylor without reading the rest of the sentence. Um, let's see if it has any, uh, no drug use stipulations in the rest of the sentence. Uh, who would they be? And for which teams would you put them on something like Randy Moss with the Packers or Lawrence Taylor with the bills?


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[Assistant] Uh, the Bills have so many edge rushers now, they don't need Lawrence Taylor. Uh, I think a team like the Raiders could use Lawrence Taylor for sure. Like that would be something.


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[Assistant] I can't put him on the chargers, unfortunately. Uhm, there's only one under the feet on the Dolphins? Okay, so let's see. So, let's start with the 70s. I don't know if you guys have any 70s references. I don't have that many 70s references.


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[Assistant] I would like to see Joe Montana, because Joe Montana is probably the closest to, like, a little more mobile than Tom Brady. He's not the athlete, athlete that, well, Dan Rainer's not an athlete, but he was bigger. Not the athlete of Randall Coneyham. Who was the other quarterback you mentioned, Breach?


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[Assistant] So, okay, that's 70s, I think, um, like Joe Theismann. I don't think I want Joe Theismann. The key is fine. Uhm, who else in the 70s? Anyone stick out? Who are the- Rudy Rüdiger?


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[Assistant] Hold on, Breach. What's that, Diba?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, that's a good call. Or uhm, actually they could use, uhm, they could use Dermotty Dawson. They could use anyone in the offensive line from those 70s and 80s teams.


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[Assistant] Lester Hayes had a jerry curl and he used to put stick'em on his hands and I think they outlawed stick'em because he used to put it, but they used to just maul guys all the way down the field.


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[Assistant] Reggie White, the Minister of Defense. I think that was his nickname, right? That's a great nickname. Yea, that's a great nickname.


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[Assistant] Okay, there's Reggie White, so, uh, I mean, that's the 70s, 80s, uh, even Jim Kelly in the 80s.


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[Assistant] Oh, he did. Okay. So I knew he did UFC first. Uh, UFC, USFL first.


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[Assistant] But I love Barry Sanders, I love Walter Payton, which Brad mentioned.


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[Assistant] Like wide receivers. Who are the dominant wide receivers outside of Jerry Rice, like in the 70s and 80s? What do you think Chris Collinsworth will look like on today's Bengals team breach?


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[Assistant] Primetime Jim Breach or Evan McPherson. Uuuuuuh. Dude, Evan McPherson. I can't believe you're hesitating.


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[Assistant] Please make this a YouTube short, cause this is unconscionable, the words that just came out of John Breeches mouth.


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[Assistant] So Brad, who was your favorite Chargers player growing up? I don't know if you remember back to the eighties, but uh, nineties.


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[Assistant] That, I watched that game as a, whatever it was, eight or nine year old, and that, I was like, oh my god, this is amazing. And that's, again, Don Coriel sort of opened it up offensively before, before everyone else did outside of Bill Walsh. It felt like, uhm, alright. Yeah, alright, that's a pretty good question, John. Thank you for that. At Ross Hazard.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think my dog just, my old dog just fell off the bed upstairs. I heard something crash, either that I'm getting broken into.


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[Assistant] So dial 9-1 and then hover over 1 in case I get bumrushed in a second.


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[Assistant] It's like I'm talking to my wife right now. I just have to nod. Whatever. And that's what she says.


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[Assistant] Is Tom Brady's age finally catching up with him in regards to his performances this season, or is it due to the Bucks receiving corps being depleted? I think it's the receiving corps question. Like, Tom looks disinterested, but I think he looks disinterested in the same way that Aaron Rodgers does when he's like, I'm not dealing with this right now. I'll regroup next week. But, uh, I'm not concerned about that.


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[Assistant] Is Tom Brady slipping? That's not what Ross asked. Ross said is age finally catching up to him? But is Tom Brady the same player he was 12 months ago? How about that?


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[Assistant] Why would you retire? Tell your wife you retired and then 30 days later say, you know what? Psych. And I know you can be really angry with me, but guess what I'm going to do? That seems not very well thought out.


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[Assistant] It's also one of those things where like, if you work at a law firm and like you say your partner or whatever, yeah, I'll come back for one more year. You can actually back out of that. You can't back out of going back to the NFL for one more year unless you're Brett Farr. Oh gosh. This is a whole nother conversation.


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[Assistant] Alright, so, uh, Breach, you didn't weigh in. Do you think it's his age or do you think it's the wide receivers? Do you think it's Giselle? What do you think it is?


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[Assistant] I think now the tattoo should have some mission of Chris Collinsworth, whatever it ends up being because that was, that was, I didn't see that coming.


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[Assistant] That sounds like me talking up Hunter Renfro as a poor man's cup with Major Trenton so angry. It did make me angry. That's interesting.


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[Assistant] Saints fan going to the Pittsburgh game in November, what pubs should we go to and other things to do? Ha! Breach.


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[Assistant] The funny thing is Brad might be the person on this podcast. He's been to Pittsburgh recently. I left Pittsburgh in 2000, when I leave 2003. Holy crap. I left in 2003. So I haven't been there in 19 years, lived there for three years. So I'm sure a lot has changed. Um, and when you went, Brad, you were still an adolescent.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's like a little, uhm, I'm trying to think, it's like a, it's a diner. It's like a, a, a, a chain diner in Western Pennsylvania. Uhm, goodies there. So I just Google this, cause honestly.


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[Assistant] Alright, so here's the thing, uhm, I Googled quickly, uh, best dealer's part, which is, which uhm, obviously the person.


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[Assistant] Uhm, camp guard might could have done it himself, because honestly the last time I was there, I lived in Squirrel Hill, and then I lived in Regent Square. I used to go to a place called Ryan's Pub, I don't even know if it's still there in Regent Square. And in Squirrel Hill, I don't even remember the bar we used to go to. Neither is close to, uhm,


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[Assistant] downtown where the stadium is. So Carson city saloon. Got some, got some mentions.


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[Assistant] Buxy's Salty Dog Saloon, got some mention? McFadden's? I don't know if BMAC owns that, but if it eh, either way.