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[Assistant] Yeah, that's right. That's the, that's, that's the growing experience. And I think that's the right way to approach it, man. You're right. You're going to be playing a lot of close games in the fourth quarter in the NFL. So, uh, I think that was the proper answer. Kudos to you there.


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[Assistant] Now the next thing I want to go to is your basketball game. I mean, been a lot of hype about your b-ball game. I was like you too. I was good at b-ball, probably could have gone small, division one, basketball player. Did you, were you that level? Like, let me hear your game and were you being recruited in basketball too to go along with it?


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[Assistant] Alright, that sounds good. You know, one day when we meet up, me and you are gonna face off in a three-point contest, because I think I could take you there. I'm not sure if I could take you in anything else, but I like my chances. We'll see. I don't know.


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[Assistant] Okay, I know you love Missouri, I do know that. Okay, first thing you're gonna buy yourself with your new NFL draft first round cash you're gonna have. What are you gonna go with?


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[Assistant] Okay, good little sports car. Okay. Okay. I like that. Don't be like doing Lamar Jackson and going 105 and, and film your speedometer though. That's not a good look. Okay. So be careful.


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[Assistant] Okay, best player you played against in college. Who was the one guy that stands out to you? You just go, I don't care who it is. Defensive line, offensive line. Maybe it was somebody you didn't even get on the field with another offensive guy, but who's the guy in college football over the last few years where you just said, man, this guy is unreal.


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[Assistant] Okay, that's, that's acceptable answer. I'll accept Roquan Smith. Alright.


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[Assistant] Bruh, oh man, I know. Well, the SEC's king. I mean, that's the one good thing about you playing in the SEC. You're gonna see a lot of these guys, uh, when you're on NFL team next year. So, okay, and then the last one I want to talk about, because I know you're Kansas City, I know you're Missouri, but you had to take


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[Assistant] Note of the other big quarterback in town this year. I mean, you know, I'm sorry to say I love your arm and you have a really strong arm, but you have the second strongest arm in the city of Kansas City. Okay, I could say that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, I think that will happen one day. Uh, I'm gonna let you go. Hey, I just wanna say this. Good luck in the draft, no matter what.


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[Assistant] Uh, I know you're going to have a successful career. I'm really hoping.


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[Assistant] That the Giants take you at number six cause I'm up here close to the New York area and I'm just calling it out. I want first dibs on, you know, Chris Sims unbuttoned podcast. We'll do something in the city and make you a man of the people. If the Giants take you at six, I'd like to be your hype man in the corner. Okay. I'm going to be your hype man.


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[Assistant] Alright man, be good. Good luck with everything. We'll see ya. Thank you.


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[Assistant] You know what? I think I love him more. You know? I know you got to hear a little bit of the interview all together.


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[Assistant] Got a great way about him, and I always appreciate just not being a robot in these type of situations. You know, it's hard as a college kid because the agent's telling you to be careful, don't say this, you know, you don't want to offend anybody, you don't want to say anything that's going to turn, turn a team off from what you are, but showed some personality, said the word shit,


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[Assistant] And then he didn't say it again. Right, right, right. So, but, uh, no, showed some personality, I always appreciate honest answers, a little charisma, and like I said, I'm really hoping the Giants take him at number six. I would love for him to be here in New York, and then I'll be his hype man in the corner all the time.


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[Assistant] Yep, that's right. Alright, so let's bring in our number one quarterback, okay? Uh, yes, he is. I'm not the number one quarterback in my own family. Yep, it is my father, Phil Sims. Hey dad, what's going on? How are you?


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[Assistant] Jared Stidham for Ryan Finley five, Daniel Jones six. Those are my, that's my top six right there. And then I got Clayton Thorson and Will Greer right after that. But that's how I got it. So I would love to hear it. Cause I know you said you think you got a little bit of a ranking in your head.


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[Assistant] Okay, so you got, you owe him one, and then where do you go with the, the Haskins?


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[Assistant] So the thing just, and I haven't even told dad, this is the thing I've been told. I mean of course the Combine, dad mentioned it, it wasn't the best look. I think people thought he was a little out of shape maybe. He says he cramps up after 140 that wasn't quite that good.


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[Assistant] So, I think that kinda started a little bit of the, ooh, you know, I questioned this guy a little bit. The other thing that I've just been told by people around the NFL, and this is not necessarily a bad thing,


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[Assistant] Hey, the kid's, he's young and raw and he's just, he's a kid still.


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[Assistant] You know, I think we've all got into like, we all expected Andrew Luck walks in the room and he's got all the answers of the world figured out. He's like 21 going on 40. Exactly right. And I think this kid, Dwayne, Dwayne Haskes, I don't even know his exact age, but he's 21 and he's 21. I mean, that's all there is to it. And I think that's probably played into maybe him losing a little steam here in this conversation as well.


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[Assistant] Right. No, good quarterbacks really don't do that.


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[Assistant] I still don't know if I would put him in the class of the other two guys, but it certainly closed the gap to me to where I did think about, ooh, is he better than a Ryan Finley or a Jared Stidham? I'm going to say no, that's just me, but yes, I know what you say. There's still, there's a lot of positives when you go back from two years ago.


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[Assistant] Uh, I do. I'm gonna say he'll be there at 6. Yes. I do too. Yes.


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[Assistant] So your gut, your gut tells you though right now that you just think the Giants are not going to make the move for the quarterback. They're going to avoid that whole controversy though.


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[Assistant] I don't know that he cared. I don't think he cared either. I don't think he really cared what mine was either. That's just what he does. He likes to pose those questions. But I will say this, when he talked about Tyree Jackson, the kid from Buffalo, I don't love him. I understand his logic though, because this is a pet peeve of mine and that's where I was going to go with this. It's just that I can't stand when teams pick the sixth round quarterback and go,


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[Assistant] Oh, he's gonna be our backup or our third stringer. No, you don't draft quarterbacks for that. You don't. You draft a quarterback going,


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[Assistant] We think he can be a starter one day. That's how you do it. And that's how you build out a good backup off of that. You don't go, oh, this guy's a career third string quarterback. We're going to waste a pick on him. No. You draft guys that you go, I see like


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[Assistant] People are drafted for the other reason where it's just, oh, he was good on the board and I think he'll get the team out of the huddle. And you know, when there's a completion four yards down the field, he can throw it accurately. Great.


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[Assistant] But, you know, y-you know, when that guy gets in the game, actually, and now you need to win a football game, you're gonna go, damn, why the hell did we draft that guy? What the hell did we do here? All he can do is throw four-yard throws, and I wanna go, well, yeaah, that's your fault, asshole, you're the one that drafted him, so...


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[Assistant] They go, wait, if Brady's not here, or whoever it may be, we see something here in this guy, whether it's a Brian Hoyer, a Ryan Mallett, a Jimmy Garoppolo, uh, those type of guys. Tom Brady was drafted for the same reason, they had Drew Bledsoe, but they said, hmm, there's something about this guy, he could be gold when it's all said and done.


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[Assistant] And to me that's just the, uh, the proper approach in the conversation. That was meaty.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, right. Daniel Jones is for you. That certainly surprised me right off the bat. Yes. Okay. All right. Good. Are we good? I think we're done. I don't think there's anything else to talk about in the NFL. I'm looking at news. If anything broke here as of late, nothing like it. So no, I think we're good. We made it in the clear. You got anything happening this weekend? Uh, no, I'm off. Actually, I get the


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[Assistant] Thanks for tuning in. Have a good weekend. Remember Chris Sims unbuttoned. You can find it at youtube.com slash NBC Sports, Instagram, at Sims unbuttoned, Twitter.


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[Assistant] At SeaSimsQB, man, I am becoming one hell of a host. Everywhere. And draft week is coming, and I can't wait. It's gonna be awesome. Peace out, homies. Makes me sad, though, because we can't talk about the draft. Well, we can evaluate it and tell everybody how they're wrong.


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[Assistant] Yo yo, what's up? Come on man, subscribe on YouTube to Chris Simms unbuttoned podcast. I need you, please hit the subscribe button, please!


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[Assistant] Is that what you're supposed to do? No, no, no. Notre Dame's spring game attire in the past has been sport coat. Sport coat? Open shirt. Okay. You can butt on top of it if you would like.


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[Assistant] Some real difference on the Will Greer ranking, and also a little bit on the Dwayne Haskins, who's a story now anyway, so some good stuff to talk about with him.


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[Assistant] It may be even more rare to have your number one quarterback from last year, Josh Rosen, made unavailable to the media when the off-season program begins. What did you think about that?


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[Assistant] Where would you have him ranked in this year's class, the top five? Number two.


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[Assistant] You think he would be worth mid-teen to late twenties pick in the first round, but I'm gonna set the over-under on what they get for him as a second round pick draft night. You taking the over-under?


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[Assistant] Interesting that Kyler Murray, Kyler Murray only played one year as well.


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[Assistant] It kinda, it reminds a little bit of an SCC team, one of the, you know, more toward the bottom SCC teams with a very talented quarterback, Jay Cutler.


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[Assistant] Steve Palazzolo from Pro Football Focus is now with us. Steve, have you been listening to Chris talk about you?


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[Assistant] Before we get to the disagreement of three, Steve, what did you see with Kyler Murray to not only have him as the one quarterback like everybody else does, but to have him as the best overall prospect in this entire class?


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[Assistant] Your third overall quarterback, your third best quarterback, Will Greer. I think Chris has him as his eighth best quarterback. So, what do you see in him that a lot of others don't see to have him that high?


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[Assistant] Where would you have Josh Rosen in this class? Good question.


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[Assistant] Thanks, guys. Thanks for having me. Thanks, Steve. See you, pal. See you, buddy. You know he's like 6'7".


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[Assistant] Yep, uh, I really- They watch every snap, I mean, they've got real, legitimate opinions. No doubt.


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[Assistant] Sounds like he puts a lot of stock into guys who can consistently hit him at least. He's not saying it's a difficult throw, but the ones who don't hit those throws a lot.


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[Assistant] No surprise who one's going to be. Some names I want to learn about here starting off at number seven though. Another Buckeye. What do you have?


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[Assistant] Some group of position guys here, it really is special. Okay, Draymond Jones, Ohio State at seven, moving up to six. We go from the Big Ten to the SEC.


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[Assistant] is so talented and such potentially, you could see a team using a first round pick late on a guy who just tore his ACL in the last couple of months.


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[Assistant] Draymond Jones, 7, Jeffrey Simmons at 6. No list is complete when you're talking about defensive front 7 if you don't include somebody from Clemson. So let's go to number 5.


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[Assistant] You said he's a top 25 player to you. What are the chances he's around for the Patriots with that last pick of the first round?


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[Assistant] Alright, look down from 5 to 4. Looks like the Cotton Bowl, Clemson to Notre Dame. Jerry Tillery showing up at 4. And if you think Wilkins is a late first round pick, you think Tillery is a first round pick as well.


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[Assistant] I remember sitting in Brian Kelly's office. I think it was late August in there for a training camp trip.


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[Assistant] And I said, coach, tell me one thing that you know about your defense, number one thing that comes to mind. And he said, Jerry Tillery is going to be disruptive all the time. Exactly. And that's, that's a real players on that defense last year. They did. For him to be the number one compliment and then to come through the way he did during the season, uh, a lot of people feel the same way you do about number nine.


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[Assistant] You've got a line now, we've been seven through four, Draymond Jones, Jeffrey Simmons, Christian Wilkins, Jerry Tillery. There's a dot dot dot space dividing line between four and three, which is Jerry Tillery at four and Ed Oliver at three. Why, why the big difference?


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[Assistant] Where would you like to see him, like, best case scenario, you'd like to see him end up in which system with which pick.


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[Assistant] You love this prospect. You say he's a top ten pick, so I'm anxious to hear how much you like number two, Dexter Lawrence, if you like him better than Ed Oliver.


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[Assistant] What makes Quinnen Williams number one better than guys that you clearly love at two and three in Lawrence and Oliver?


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[Assistant] I mean, that, that, people listening are gonna hear that and be like, what? Yes. How's that possible?


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[Assistant] Two weeks forward, Kyler Murray comes off the board. You want disruption on your front seven, specifically your front four, you take him over Bosa.


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[Assistant] And Draymond Jones at seven from Ohio State. Very well done. Thank you, sir. A lot of guys you really like. A lot of guys. You think they're all top half of the second round.


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[Assistant] Well, of course, if you're the Giants, you'd love to have that conversation. I guess my reaction about Seattle, talking about top ten quarterback, maybe, maybe even higher. Maybe top five or top six.


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[Assistant] Isn't on the backside of his, I mean, to me he's right in the middle of his prime. Why would you be willing to even think about giving up that guy at that position?


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[Assistant] And maybe they're inside the building in Seattle laughing and all this, and we would never get rid of Russell Wilson. I don't know how this came about.


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[Assistant] You went into Big Phil voice in Big Phil mode because you knew that the old man was on the line waiting. Hey Phil, you hear this talk about Russell Wilson possibly being traded.


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[Assistant] Do you really say goodbye, even though there's good financial reasons, do you really let that walk out the door?


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[Assistant] I still stand in the backyard now, I think my neighbors think I'm crazy. I'm trying to perfect that technique where instead of stepping and throwing at the same time, you step and lean back. It's still not quite natural. Yea, you gotta create the opposite. I'm still working on it though.


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[Assistant] Say goodbye. Goodbye. See ya. Not in my head. Given the non-verbal. Not helping the people who are listening to the podcast.


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[Assistant] I played football at Harper College.


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[Assistant] Also wrestled there and I, uh, played, I ran track as well. Well, I threw. I didn't run.


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[Assistant] But uh, yeaah, I won national championships in all three sports, so.


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[Assistant] Now I'm gonna need you to move the bingos up a little bit higher, you know? 13's a little too low. I need them at number one, you know?


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, I know, hey, look, I love Ohio State, so I'm a big fan of Mike Brable, you know? I mean, hey, we're gonna be there this Saturday at SummerSlam, but, uh, nah, I mean, I see how big Mike Brable is, and I know about McDermott's, his wrestling background, so like, I still put them up there in front of both of them.


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[Assistant] I'm going Alan McDermott and, uh, McDermott and, uh,


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[Assistant] This is always grumpy. He's a Browns fan. There you go.


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[Assistant] Everybody was making a big deal about him dropping all those passes in preseason. I'm like, ah, it's preseason. Let's see, like, if he's doing that in the season, okay, but like,


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[Assistant] Preseason, I get it, like, trying to get warmed up for the season, people trying to make the rosters and all that stuff, so, there's nothing to really worry about. And, uh, then he started balling out, I'm like, oh man, this, this dude, this dude's rocking, I mean, like,


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[Assistant] I knew he was good at LSU and all that stuff and I knew he was good. I was like, man, this dude exceeded every expectation I thought that was going to happen. And he was, man, him a year or two is going to be a sight to see.


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[Assistant] Summer Slam this weekend. Uh, biggest party of the summer. Watch it on Peacock. Uh, we're gonna be in Nashville, Tennessee. Uh, Nissan Stadium, where the Titans play.


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[Assistant] I just want everybody to know, uh, in Nashville, don't hold it against me. You guys know I'm a Bengals fan.


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[Assistant] Shut those lights off. But hey, that's neither here nor there. That's not focused on the past. Let's focus on Saturday as me and my brother, Montez Ford, the Street Profits take on the Usos for the undisputed WWE Tag Team Championships. And when we win, we party.


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[Assistant] I will be like looking at the 95 degree weather there is probably going to feel like a 78 and cloudy when I'm there.


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[Assistant] Alright, thanks for having me on man, this is great.


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[Assistant] I don't know, every time I turn the ga- it's on, somebody's getting the crap beat out of them, uhm, there's, there's pillaging going on.


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[Assistant] It's a little outlet for me, okay? Okay, good. I haven't got there yet. At some point I'm going to watch this. Oh really? At some point. Yeah, I have too many good friends who love it. And I've seen moments to go, okay, I understand. I just, I want to start from the beginning to have a clue what's going on.


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[Assistant] But it's the Monday. Come on. After the Masters, right? Tiger Woods. That was amazing. That's what I enjoyed. Uh, I know we're going to talk a little bit about Notre Dame spring game where I was at that. And then we're going to hit some, some breaking news that Ghana that went on around the NFL this weekend. Certainly the Russell Wilson topic.


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[Assistant] Uh, but go ahead there, Johnny Host. What is it up? No... No socks again?


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[Assistant] I think this is one of those moments at least I'll remember where I was when I was watching it, everything about it. I really do. I think it's, it's up there.


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[Assistant] For some of the greatest individual accomplishments I can ever remember. I mean, it's up there with any really great sports moment I can remember. Whether that's the Giants beating the Patriots in Super Bowl XLII when they were going to go undefeated, or the Red Sox.


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[Assistant] Beating the, the Yankees down 3-0. LeBron coming back against the Warriors. You know, Jack Nicklaus in 1986. I know I was too young to be watching at that point, but I mean, I, I, I, of course was watching golf a little after that, understood their, comprehended it at that point.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, for a guy to be 11 years away from his ma- last time he's won a major,


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was pretty special. I mean, it really was. It was a great environment, and I feel like we saw another side of Tiger that maybe we hadn't really seen before, which was also cool.


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[Assistant] I, I think just as far as a pure sports fan and my interest in viewing.


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[Assistant] I think it was up on a Super Bowl caliber yesterday, on Sunday, on April 14th.


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[Assistant] Master Sunday, Tiger Woods in it, and when we got to Amen Corner, and those, you know, they had everybody was hitting the ball in the water on hole 12, or the par 3, I think it's 12, maybe it was 13, regardless.


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[Assistant] I was like, woah, this might happen. I mean, either he's gonna win or he's gonna fall apart here at the end and blow it, and it's gonna be big news.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, I think there is that aspect of it, but, uh, it was like the Tiger of old. This is where I thought it was really cool. This would be the angle I thought was the coolest part about it. Not only, of course, the accomplishment of what Tiger did in 15th major, but to me, what was cooler than anything,


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[Assistant] Was, he was competing against a bunch of guys who played golf because of Tiger Woods. I thought that was the coolest thing. It was a group of, you know, Mulanari, Dustin Johnson, Kepka, Justin Thomas, all those guys were


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[Assistant] The scene is the biggest golfer we've seen in the history of the sport other than Jack Nicklaus and I think that's why they got involved in the sport and continue to stay involved with it because Tiger was so polarizing that way to where he got a generation of athletes


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[Assistant] To play the sport. And I think that was really cool, is that he was competing against them. And then what we saw, even as he's walking into the clubhouse at the end, all those group of guys, Ricky Fowler, all of them were there waiting for him. To me, it's almost like, uhm, to make a football parallel, would be like Tom Brady right now.


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[Assistant] When it got to like, you know, hole 11, hole 12, and it was like, whoa, Kyger's in this, and he has a legit chance to win it, and he didn't fall apart.


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[Assistant] I mean, it was like you could hear the volume of the telecast go up because everybody was energized. So it had a special feeling to it yesterday. It was really cool to watch. It was a special moment. In fact, I know it's special because as I'm talking about it, I'm getting chills as I'm talking about it again.


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[Assistant] And he's not going anywhere. I mean, now that he wins this, I would say watch out. Because, I mean, he just got the confidence and his body held up through the week and I think all those are positive. So, uh, yeaah, I think golf is going to be a lot more fun to watch on a tournament basis now that Tiger is a legit threat.


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[Assistant] You know, a guy like me who was, I pay attention to the NFL my whole life and I'm really into it and I read every article and I know people and I hear things and all that kind of stuff. At the very base level.


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[Assistant] We have seen so many warning signs of this being real that it has to be real to a degree.


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[Assistant] Whether it's Russell Wilson talking about his contract with Jimmy Fallon, the rumors about being traded to the New York Giants, whether it was Colin Cowhert or other people, the rumors that Sierra wants to go to a big city in New York or L.A.


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[Assistant] The fact that I don't think the Seattle Seahawks are scared, uhm, are gonna be back to do it a corner as far as John Schneider, Pete Carroll, I think they believe they can build a team again the way they did it the first time around.


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[Assistant] A quarterback on a rookie contract and then build great depth on the football team and really have this, you know, ultra talented team like we saw with the Seattle Seahawks.


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[Assistant] That set them up for a long time. The Seahawks are not afraid to make bold moves. I mean, hey, Earl Thomas is out the building. Richard Sherman's out the building. Michael Bennett's out the building. So, I almost, I feel like we're getting to the point where neither side is real scared to move on.


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[Assistant] I think Russell Wilson is kind of putting that out there to a degree.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I do think there's a part of Seattle, and I've heard this from other people around the NFL too, that they're certainly contemplating and have contemplated life without Russell Wilson and how they could be successful if they could find that next quarterback in the draft and kind of build things the way they did it the first time around.


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[Assistant] You know, yes, you're going to have to find somebody else to play quarterback that's still suitable and you feel like is going to be able to lead your team and get you out of some tough situations. Hey, the first time around the Seattle Seahawks said it with great defense.


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[Assistant] An overpowering offensive line. Marshawn Lynch in the run game. And then it was Russell, we just need you to make a few plays every game here and there, and don't turn the ball over and we should be in a good place in the fourth quarter. And more times than not, they were. You know, I'll say this thing.


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[Assistant] I always, and I've been saying this a little bit over the last few weeks, even on the pod and on Pro Football Talk with Mike Foria, I do think it's a matter of time before we see a team make a bold move like we're hearing CLC Hawks right now. I brought this up on Wednesday's podcast, last Wednesday's podcast with my father.


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[Assistant] I mean if you look at recent history and the teams that have been in the Super Bowl or the teams that have been in the Final Four with affordable quarterback contracts.


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[Assistant] It is a long list, and I'll start, I'm gonna name them out for you one more time. First of all, New England's in the Super Bowl every other year, and Tom Brady's on a team-friendly deal. So that's my first example, okay? Okay. Alright, and then, Russell Wilson, twice, has been in the Super Bowl on a rookie contract. The Philadelphia Eagles just won the Super Bowl. Rookie contract's a quarterback.


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[Assistant] It is willing to make a sacrifice or they're paying him off the books in some other way, which is what most people in the NFL think is that New England has found some way. He has a TB12 store. When you say that, I always think about him getting


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[Assistant] New England's paying Tom Brady off the books somehow, someway. I don't think they would be the first team in the history of the sport to do that or try to get away with that. I'm not trying to cause any problems there, but either way,


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[Assistant] The point doesn't change. They have a team that's very deep and can withstand injuries because their quarterback is not taking 20 to 25% of the salary cap away. Hey, the Rams, they were in the Super Bowl. Guess what they had?


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[Assistant] Yeah. You know, Blake Bortles and the AFC Championship game Jaguars. Quarterback on a rookie deal. Case Keenum and that Vikings team.


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[Assistant] I mean, they didn't have anything, really. It wasn't a quarterback and a rookie deal, but it was just a quarterback and a very average, below average quarterback starting deal.


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[Assistant] The Baltimore Ravens winning the Super Bowl with Joe Flacco. Rookie deal. The team they played against in that Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Was Colin Kaepernick rookie deal. So there's some examples right there of why I do think it's only a matter of time before some team has the guts to make that type of decision and maybe move on from a Russell Wilson or whoever it may be because I think the proof is starting to bear out that


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[Assistant] You know, it is extremely hard to build a complete football team and, you know, hope we stay healthy and nothing happens to us when your quarterback is making 20-25% of the salary cap.


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[Assistant] No, I mean, you know, sometimes you just gotta unbutton, and with this look, you know, it's versatility, I'm, you know, just...


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[Assistant] Right, yeah, uh, so that's very nice, thank you. And you sent me that text, as everybody knows, he sent me that, Liam sent me that text, what, uh, during the game at one point I looked down and you're, you're always good for some good snarky comments.


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[Assistant] But overall, I do think Brian Kelly has it rolling there in Notre Dame to where they got players to replace, they got all the right athletes, and Ian Book at quarterback was very impressive as well. And I just think, uh, that offense is going to continue to kind of grow around him because he's such a special thrower.


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[Assistant] So I think the guy that popped to me in that manner more than anybody is number 83 Chase Claypool. Chase Claypool is one of the freakier athletes on the Notre Dame football team the last few years as we know. He's kind of been a special teams guy. I think he's been a little hot and cold at what he brings to the offense at the wide receiver position. But it sounds like he's kind of matured.


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[Assistant] Honed in, realized like this is, he's gotta be the go-to guy, uh, for an Ian book now that Myles Boykin's gone.


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[Assistant] And yes, from the practices I watched on film and what he did in the spring game, he is a freaky athlete, he is game breaking speed, and he's got difference making size and ability to go up and catch 50-50 balls and things like that to where, yeaah, he will be playing in the NFL on Sunday at some point.


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[Assistant] A mile in 8th grade. Longest. That's it? I ran a 615 mile in 8th grade gym class. I haven't run one since.


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[Assistant] Yeah, in football, basketball, baseball, with the sports I grew up, played in high school, and of course, you know, college football and all that, you're not running long distance stuff. When you start to get in shape for an NFL football player, okay, maybe you run 400 yards sprints, maybe you run 220s, things like that, but you're not going to start running miles.


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[Assistant] The game is about having a fast twitch nervous system in the NFL. It's about 4 second explosions. For, for me to sit there and jog for 26 hours straight, which is probably what it would take me to run the mile, I mean, the marathon, I mean, that's gonna deaden your nervous system, break down muscle tissue, it has no positives.


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[Assistant] Icarumba. Nicole on the other hand. Shake your head, Nicole. Come on, shake the jib up and down. Yup, that's Nicole. She's behind the camera right now. Despite the fact, yes. Marathon. And uhm, she seems fresh and spry and ready to go to death.


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[Assistant] When you're, when you're expected to talk about the draft, the worst problem is, is where do you draw the line to go, okay, that's enough players I've seen. You know, I don't have to be responsible for all seven rounds or doing anything like that, but I certainly want to be able to talk to, especially the first two rounds of draft picks.


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[Assistant] So there's 64 picks. That doesn't mean you just watch 64 players and you're like, oh, I'm good. I mean, you really almost have to do double, maybe even closer to triple to cover your butt because, you know, teams can see it a different way, whatever it may be. So I'm just trying to kind of continue to crack the down the line guy.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna say no. I think that he will stay with Seattle. I just don't know if I see a team that is, you know, the teams that I look at, the two teams especially that I look at,


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[Assistant] Like the chargers I would think could make sense, okay. The giants I could think could make sense, you know.


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[Assistant] I have thought about the Raiders because I know John Gruden loves Russell Wilson, but I don't imagine that. I think we're a year away. I think Russell Wilson, they're going to have a weird 2019 season where he's going to be the lame duck starting quarterback.


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[Assistant] There's gonna be no contract extension, and when the year's over, they're gonna split ways, and Russell Wilson's gonna be a free agent. You think the Chargers make sense? I think that could make sense. It's interesting, and I get that.


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[Assistant] And he'll back up Eli. I just can't see the Giants making that type of bold move. I think that's the biggest thing at the end of the day. And I mean, you know what, you're gonna sign Russell Wilson, what, pay him $35 million a year, and then also have Eli Manning on the roster this year and have like over $50 million in the quarterback on your salary cap. That's where, and I just don't see the Giants as being


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[Assistant] So that's gonna make it go down a little bit, but yeaah, I do think two first rounds is going to be in the conversation for acquiring a guy like Russell Wilson's needs. Alright, let's go on.


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[Assistant] I just, uh, I go back to Cliff Kingsbury's comments. I think he has a true love affair and trust and he knows the player. I also just think of Cliff Kingsbury, the coaching aspect where he's going, I want my offense to have a good debut in year one. I think Kyler Murray has the type of talent to


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[Assistant] Uh, if his offense isn't hitting on all cylinders, you know, oh, okay, yeaah, this might not be a great play, but Kyler Murray scrambled and got 12. Nobody will know it's not that great. Whatever it may be, uh, I, I do. I think Kyler Murray will go to the Arizona Cardinals in number one.


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[Assistant] He's a top 10 talent. I want to make sure I say that in my eyes. He is a top 10 talent. The negatives with me for my job and my life is I don't get to meet guys and get to watch them in person and get to go


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[Assistant] His postseason has been all that great with some of the combine issues, and they're talking about his weight and cramping on the 40. And, you know, I've heard, you know, people think that Ohio State's offense was kind of simple, made it simple for him, and there's talent around him, either way.


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[Assistant] I do think, I don't know all those aspects of off the field stuff, but it does seem very odd that yes, the talk has quieted down substantially on him. So if you made me bet whether he goes top 10 or not, I'm going to say no, he does not. I say he falls out and ends up somewhere in the teens, something like that.


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[Assistant] Outside of Murray? Another quarterback goes top turn? I think Drew Locke. I'm not so sure. If you made me make the same bet with Drew Locke, I'm not so sure I would make that bet. It's very close, yeaah. Broncos? Uh, Broncos maybe. I mean, the New York Giants at 6. I would think, you know, this is my big thing with the New York Giants. If there's a quarterback they like,


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[Assistant] Just take him at number 6. Don't wait for number 17. So to me, if they do like Haskins and they're going, oh, well the value we think is values in the mid-teens, or if it's Drew Lockett, it's the same thing, whatever. If it's a quarterback and you like him,


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[Assistant] Nobody's gonna get mad at you for taking him at number six. And I think, again, I'm gonna make this point for the millionth time.


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[Assistant] Dwayne Haskins, Drew Locke, I feel really confident about these statements right here. Are better than Blake Bortles coming out in the draft.


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[Assistant] But yes, I think like if I just went for my pure grades of grading quarterbacks, I think my Josh Rosen grade was higher than Locker Haskins from this year.


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[Assistant] I don't even know where I come up with some of the shit that comes out of my mouth sometimes, Liam. I make up words and then sometimes I have words that make sense and I sound like I'm smart and I really just use them not even knowing the meanings of the words. I just listen to how other people have used them.


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[Assistant] First of all, I didn't even get to say that Tiger Woods used to come into our quarterback meeting when I was at Tampa Bay. What? Yeah, I was going there, but we got off topic.


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[Assistant] Tiger Woods used to come, in Orlando, we would train at the Wild World of Sports when I was with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And Tiger Woods, in the year, I believe it was 2007, where I was recovering from my spleen, he probably looked at me at practice that day and was like, whoa, this guy's in the NFL quarterback? Cause that's how he's throwing lame ducks everywhere. But he can understand the feeling with his back issues, so. But either way.


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[Assistant] Is a psycho, of course, and he asked Tiger to always come to training camp every year. Come to training camp, hang out with us.


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[Assistant] I started the tournament yesterday and put it on pause and recorded it, okay, because I had a long work week, work week, I'd work six days in a row. Oh god, what a brutal, brutal life you had. Shut up, okay, shut up. And I wanted to go to the gym, okay, and I didn't want to go to the gym at like four in the afternoon after the tournament was going to be over.


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[Assistant] I was like, I'm not gonna pay attention. I'm not gonna look to the news. Nobody's gonna tell me who won this match and I'm gonna watch it in real time. I got done with my workout.


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[Assistant] I am sitting in the sauna for a few minutes just to get a little extra sweat, and I'm looking at my phone, I'm playing some stupid game on my phone, and I got a news alert.


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[Assistant] I don't know because I really am not a news alert kind of guy. I didn't even, I just- I didn't know it was possible not to know that. I mean, there's lots of things.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I still watch it. I know, it stunk though. It really pissed me off. I yelled, I cussed a lot actually when that news alert came out. You curse a lot to begin with. I'm pretty good at it.


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[Assistant] You know what I was always amazed? The thing that I'll always, I'll remember about Tiger Woods, his waist is like this big. Like, he is not like, he is not a big guy. You know, I'm gonna say maybe what, I mean, you know, 5'11", 6 foot, something like that.


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[Assistant] I just remember thinking like, yea, you know, he's in shape and he just looked different than any other golfer I'd ever met. And that's, that's what jumps out at me. Sorry to change the subject. No, that was great. Listen.


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[Assistant] And these are real bets, right? This is something that you could lose money on. Yeaah, I mean, this is over all day.


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[Assistant] Now, I don't think there's three first rounds. I don't think there's four.


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[Assistant] Uh, for me, he is not a first round quarterback, but everything I hear, it sounds like there's a few teams that have a love affair with him. They're impressed by the intangibles, the meeting room, the ability to process information.


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[Assistant] You know, he's done really well in all the psychoanalysis tests and all of that, but I always worry, and I'll say it once again, when conversations start with that type of shit right there,


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[Assistant] If it doesn't start with his arm, or man, his feet in the pocket, or some of the throws he makes, or he's some damn good player, whatever it is, if it doesn't start with those type of things, to me, you're making up reasons to make the player a better prospect than he is, and uh, yeaah, that's where I would get scared.


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[Assistant] They could be one of those teams with Daniel Jones that I could see certainly being interested, but, you know, again, I wouldn't be shocked if it was five. That's why I was certain.


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[Assistant] If you take five, now you're really limiting things. Good chance you don't get a running


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[Assistant] The two tight ends from Iowa. Definitely going in the first round. That's seven. Okay, DK Metcalf is gonna go in the first round for sure. Brown out of Oklahoma? I would think Brown, maybe both Browns. AJ Brown from Ole Miss. Paris Campbell from Ohio State.


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[Assistant] And Hollywood Brown, uh, I think all would have a chance to do that. Added in with maybe another tie down in the mix, and then there's some good offense alignment in this class. This is gonna be very close, this one. I think it's going over. I'm gonna go with the over two. I think it's going over.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think I'm with you though. If you make me bet, you know, okay, Chris Sims, here's put the thousand dollars on the line. I'm going to say they go with the over and the defensive side.


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[Assistant] I'm going, I mean, this is, it's captain obvious here, but it just, yeaah, I think the 49er is going to take Nick Bosa with the number two pick. I really do. I think Quinnen Williams is the better player than Nick Bosa.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, I think Nick Bosa's going number two to the San Francisco 49ers. If it's not the 49ers, I think the 49ers trade out of there and someone trades up to number two to still draft a Nick Bosa. So I think he goes number two.


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[Assistant] He, he's a special, he's a special all-around football player. He has special pass rush attributes that you look at. You know, I don't know if I would necessarily say he's as good an all-around player as his brother was, Joey coming out. I think Joey had a little more of a power game to him, better against the run.


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[Assistant] But Bossa's ability around the edge, the versatility, the pass rush moves, his bend, he has an incredible legs and ass on him to be able to turn the corner and I do think that's extremely important and you know you can't go a podcast without me saying that.


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[Assistant] And that's an impressive legs and, legs and ass. And really, hey, and I'll say this too, white people usually don't have that type of lower half. That's, it's, it's very rare for a Nick Bostrom. Dr. Sims, Dr. Sims science class right now.


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[Assistant] Good one. Because you've got your top two now. You've just said it. I know, I know. And number three is the New York Jets who don't have like a desperate need for the position. Kind of need a pass rush.


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[Assistant] They will not take Quinn and Williams. I don't know that. So as it stands right now, you don't see them? I don't. For some reason, I think they will go some other direction. But if they trade out or end up trading, I think someone there will go up to number three to take a Quinn and Williams.


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[Assistant] Uh, like I've said a few times here the last week or so, he's the best interior defensive tackle, defense alignment I've evaluated. I haven't been in this for 30 years or anything like that, but it's pretty awesome what I've seen on film.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think to me it is Quinn and Williams, the running back. I think go the first round.


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[Assistant] Oh, you don't think- Who am I missing? Jonah Williams. Jonah Williams, to me, I think is questionable. Really? I think it's close. I do. I don't think he's a tackle in the NFL. I think that's the first thing. So you're making a projection to the guard position.


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[Assistant] And there's some good players there. You know, I don't think Jonah Williams falls too far late, you know, in the late second round. I think he'll be at the top of the second even if he goes that far.


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[Assistant] But yes, I look at Jacob's and Quentin Williams as the for sure things.


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[Assistant] Then I go, the middle linebacker, Mack Wilson, he's gonna be in the conversation. I don't think that happens. Okay, the tight end, uh, Irv Smith, I hope I'm hitting his name right.


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[Assistant] He's in the conversation, but I don't think he goes in the first round either. I think he's somewhere in the second. Uhm, and then there's the top, the, the, uh, Deontay Thompson, the safety I believe, I hope I'm getting that name right.


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[Assistant] So no, I'm gonna go with the under here. Wow. I'm gonna go with the under. Which is weird because you're going from a different direction. I know. Because you're saying Jacobs is gonna go. I think Jacobs is gonna go somewhere in the 20s. Somewhere in there. Do you see a team there that...


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[Assistant] He's gonna be game ready. We know what he's doing. Exactly right. That's what you're looking at from the Alabama guys. That is the, the, uh, you know, what I want to say, the beauty of those guys. Yeaah. And you can rationalize that pick. You definitely can.


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[Assistant] Nick Stevens prepared them, he's got them ready to go, they're ready day one to contribute, you know, okay.


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[Assistant] I'll tell you one team that jumps out to mind right away at the running back position. I don't know if this happens, but I'm just looking at the 20s right off the bat. I mean, the Baltimore Ravens, okay, I do. You think they go running back over a wide receiver? I'm probably not. I'm just saying they're a team that could certainly use a running back to be a difference maker.


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[Assistant] The Raiders of 24 would be a team I would say watch out for. Or even at 27. I could see them dabbling in the running back conversation.


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[Assistant] The cults, they have him valued as like a top 10 talent and there they are.


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[Assistant] I believe it just because I look at it and go, the Colts, okay, they have three good running backs, so I think they'll stay with their stable. Another team I'll throw out for you in this conversation, the Green Bay Packers at number 30.


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[Assistant] Running back position. I mean, I checked the rule books. Aaron Rodgers is allowed to have a running game sometime before he retired. Is that official now? I checked. I called Goodell. He said, yea, they're allowed to actually run the ball in Green Bay, and the running back is allowed to actually help Aaron Rodgers out.


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[Assistant] I rank DK Metcalf number one. Okay. Okay. I made Paris Campbell at Ohio State number two. Paris Campbell to me is a no-brainer, 4'3", 1", 6'1", I believe.


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[Assistant] Can absolutely fly. Showed all the attributes to be a good route runner. I really probably should have made Paris Campbell my number one receiver.


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[Assistant] I'm projecting DK Metcalf a little bit, but in his own right, he's a freak of nature. And I do think, at the end of the day, yes, that DK Metcalf is going to be the first one off the board. But you're saying top 17? Oh baby. Okay, if I'm just going in the top 17 here, the teams I'm looking at right off the bat.


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[Assistant] Nine, Buffalo, would they think about it? Okay. Okay. The Broncos.


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[Assistant] I doubt it. I mean, they do have Emanuel Sanders. He's coming off a very serious injury. Late in the season. Right. Yep. Coraline Sutton, they drafted in the second round last year. So I'm going to say no. Okay. The Miami Dolphins, maybe. I don't think Green Bay at 12 is going to do it. Ah, man, the Redskins at 15. Eh.


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[Assistant] It's really not about him as the worth though. It's really about- But it's how they played it. It's how they played it. Exactly. Because people go, well, we know you're like Kyler Murray, so we're gonna have two top ten picks and you're locking around with a quarterback. Good luck dealing with that. So that's the way I think that will lower his value just from that standpoint. But yeaah, I think DK Metcalfe will go in the top seventeen. I think somebody will love him.


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[Assistant] I would say, I would say there's four first round worthy talents. Okay, the thing is going to be how are some of these O Lyman valued on the big board? How are some of the D Lyman valued on the big board?


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[Assistant] What is the talent gap some teams are going to have between, let's say, their top three receivers and then four, five, and six. If it's not that big, they might go, oh, let's take the old lineman here and maybe we'll wait to the second round. That's where the draft is always awesome. So what is it, two?


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[Assistant] And I had Marquise Brown, probably as, I had him as my number three. I think if, the more I've watched, I might have DJ, AJ Brown, maybe a little higher up. Okay, I would probably play AJ Brown at three with my new rankings. Yes, DK Metcalf, Paris Campbell, AJ Brown.


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[Assistant] I would probably still go D-Base, D-Bow, Samuel, then Marquise Brown, but Marquise Brown has a special skill set, and if anybody's looking for a speed guy that just totally take the top off the defense and beat down the field threat, then he could be that first round guy. Also, he's coming off foot surgery.


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[Assistant] That always scares me. So, I don't know. Well, that could be the difference.


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[Assistant] If they want me to run charity 5k, just ask me to write a check and I'll write the check. You don't need to see me run the mile, okay?


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[Assistant] Come on. Well, first off, it's a 5k. It's not a mile. You're going to have to run the whole thing. Oh, that's right. It's 3.2 miles, right? But either way, all I know is that makes my back hurt even thinking about it. And I will have to get, Doctoral said I'll need a Bacheotomy. A Bacheotomy?


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[Assistant] All right, everybody. That's it for this asshole, Liam McHugh. I am Chris Sims, the lead asshole on this show. Thanks for tuning in, as always. MBC, uh, youtube.com slash MBC Sports, at CSimsQB on Twitter, and then at Sims on button on Instagram. Hope you enjoyed the show.


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[Assistant] And Wednesday, we got the Roto-World Mock Draft. Wow. Right, so. You're taking the cues from the producer. This, you don't need me here anymore. I'm doing alright. Oh, I need you here. I do, trust me, I do. I have somebody telling me what to do. But yea, tune into that.


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[Assistant] We're gonna have a good conversation. Gonna get my man Josh Norris. We're gonna go through this and uh, I'm gonna be Johnny GM, NBC sports style. Looking forward to that. Alright man. Tune in for that. Tune in for that. Great job. Thanks man. I'm getting better. Peace out homies. See ya.


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[Assistant] It was cold out there and it was rainy, that's what she said.


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[Assistant] Okay, and yes, this is a football podcast. Chris Sims on Button. What up, my man? Ahmed Fareed is here. How you doing, everything good? I don't know if I said it right there. You got it. Okay, good. I'm still self-conscious about it. All right. Uh, for one, but wow, this is a little thing we did. You can check this out, uh, on


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[Assistant] YouTube slash NBC Sports, we did tops, top controversies in sports in lieu of the Kentucky Derby last weekend.


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[Assistant] And one of the top nine sports controversies in the history of sports.


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[Assistant] Was the underarm cricket incident of 1981. And let me tell you, if you don't know a lot about this, then you're not a sports fan. So we had some fun with that. I don't know how the hell that even made the list, but it made the list.


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[Assistant] Yeah, doing stuff. The fans had asked because I did a little thing on social a few weeks ago about different quarterbacks, how they grip the football. I didn't do Tom Brady, which was


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[Assistant] Absolutely stupid of me not to do Tom Brady, uh, and people, of course, were asking about that. So we got in and if you go on, uh, YouTube, uh, youtube.com slash NBC Sports or even some of my social stuff, you'll see the Brady grip stuff. But this is something I'm going to continue to try to do here throughout the off season. There's not a lot of news and stuff. I'm going to get into


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[Assistant] You know, some unique quarterback type videos, certain mechanics that jump out to me are flaws, good things, bad things, are just weird quirks quarterbacks have in general, so that's something to watch out for.


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[Assistant] Yeah, maybe right around training camp until when you know, football gets real again to where we go, okay, there is plenty to talk about and we need the extra podcast day. And then we do have my, my father later, big Phil, AKA big coming on today. This is a Thursday podcast. I know that.


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[Assistant] So to warn everybody out there, he is going to be part of the Tuesday podcast going for, uh, going


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[Assistant] Ahead. Forward is the word I was looking for. Uhm, but yes, he'll be Tuesday podcast. Usual guest there. Had to do it on Thursday this week because he had some scheduling conflicts. So I think that hits it all. So now we're getting to the people. We'll talk to him.


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[Assistant] Yeah, this is anything. I welcome. I love nothing. Oh, come on. I mean, we're not Chris Sims unbuttoned because we, we don't ask anything. Whoa, there goes my mic. Oh, peel back the curtain. You know what? This thing isn't real anyways. How can we still hear you right now? Oh, I don't know. It's magic. Oh, yeah. I love it. Actually, I love that this went down.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's a deal. Yeah, I mean, this is not some special proclamation by me before we start patting me on the back too much here. Uh, this was a team that was rumored in the running all along. I just thought it made a lot of sense.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, the Seattle Seahawks, come on, they're a defensive-oriented team. Pete Carroll's an ex-defense coordinator. That's what they're all about. They've always been about waves of defense alignment coming after you. That's what's made the Seahawks so dangerous.


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[Assistant] Always thought they were in the market for this position. They had a little money to spend. I thought it would be between, you know, them, the Buffalo Bills. I wondered if the Oakland Raiders or even the Indianapolis Colts who have extra money to throw around might get involved in the conversation.


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[Assistant] Uh, but not shocked he took the Seahawks. If I was Anza, it would have been the Seahawks or the Bills. I think that would have set him up for, you know, a big payday later on because those defenses are very good. He's not going to get double teamed or get shown extra attention all the time. I'll say this one thing that just jumps out to me about the curiosity of this. You know, I talked to a lot of people about this guy.


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[Assistant] Uh, throughout the offseason. He's a phenomenal football player, but he has been banged up two out of the last four years.


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[Assistant] Most teams I talked to, or people I talked to, it sounded like it was gonna be more of, we're gonna bring him in around the start of training camp, reevaluate the shoulder, see where he is at that point.


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[Assistant] And then we'll try to make a play for him or an offer or whatever it may be. So I guess I was a little surprised that Seattle made the aggressive play for him right now, but it was obviously the player they wanted.


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[Assistant] And I don't know, if I had to connect dots or think of what happened there, I would think they probably got scared of some of the other teams who might have been in pursuit.


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[Assistant] I do, yeaah. I mean, he's, uh, dude, uh, uh, Ahmed, he is, he's a baller when he's healthy. I mean, he's the type of talent that...


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[Assistant] We gotta find other ways to help them there. You don't have to worry about that with Anza. I understand them having to move on too. They can't pay him everything. They've beefed up.


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[Assistant] You know, things to cry at or shut a tear. When's the last sporting event? What was the last sporting event that you cried watching? The last sporting event I cried. I'm not going to lie. The Super Bowl every year.


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[Assistant] Gets me close to crying, especially- Really? Yes, it does. Because football's over. You're like, nooo, why? Well, I am sad. No, I think it's about, gosh.


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[Assistant] Look at these guys living out their dreams right here, playing in the Super Bowl. This is amazing. You know, every year they show guys, like, why the national anthem's going on, and the tears coming out, and I always get emotional then, because I can...


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[Assistant] I, that was a dream of mine to play in a Super Bowl. So I always like, man, what is it like sitting there right then? But I'm always happy to see people fulfill their lifelong dreams or whatever it is. So I get emotional with that. Dude, I don't know what happened to me. Like 32, 33 years old.


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[Assistant] I became like emotional dad, where anytime a movie that even s- like has any soft spot to it, I- You feel it. I break out in tears or I have to fight it back, I don't know what the hell happened to me, but it's happened and I'm that guy now.


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[Assistant] Because when, when they get off the spaceship and the one guy goes over, uh, to the daughter, may I have permission to shake the hand of the daughter of the bravest man I ever met? I lose it every time. I can see that though. I don't think you're alone. I don't know, a lot of people make fun of me for that one. I don't know why. Interesting.


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[Assistant] You know, I, I mean, listen, I, for, for, you know, generally, I've probably been a guy that's been down on golf from get go. I mean, there's definitely been good and hey, he's proven he can win some big time football games played really good in the NFC championship game. I get that.


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[Assistant] Do I have questions about him ever being a top 10 quarterback in football? Yes, I do. And I don't think those things have been answered yet.


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[Assistant] I like Jared Goff the guy and the person too, and there's things he does that I go, oh wow, he's got a chance to be something special in the NFL. There's a lot of things I like. My, my hate per se about the Rams is not necessarily about


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[Assistant] You know, hating on them or saying they're not a good football team. I just go, gosh, history tells us it's hard to replicate two Super Bowl wins or two Super Bowl runs in a row. Let alone the team that comes off the losing side of the Super Bowl. You know, you don't see very losing Super Bowl teams come back and be back in that game very often.


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[Assistant] I mean, here in recent history, I'm just trying to go off the top of my head right now. I have no preparation for this, but the Patriots are the only team I can think about in the last...


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[Assistant] Yes, it's very rare. So that was, that's really my, I'm just playing the law of averages. That's why I'm down. I know they're talented. It's a shorter off season.


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[Assistant] You know, my buddy Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch, I do, I think that team is, you know, on the verge of being that playoff caliber football team, and I think the Seahawks got better too, so I think those are the reasons I just don't necessarily put the stamp on the Rams and go, you're going back to the Super Bowl, you're the best team in the NFC. I think that's fair. Okay, thank you.


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[Assistant] Uh, having to do that, you know, kind of the stuff we talked about in the draft process, being able to, you know, dip that inside shoulder and really turn the corner while you're in that position. Also with having a 315 pound guy push you at the same time. I mean, that's phenomenal skill or talent level there. Okay, here, height, height.


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, I mean he's very, he's 6'8", Callias Campbell.


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[Assistant] Which is, you know, me. I mean, ass and legs, okay. They gotta have a set on them below there. Powerful base. Powerful base for explosion first step.


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[Assistant] Okay, being able to go speed to power. Oh gosh, I'm not gonna be able to turn the corner. Let me put my foot in the ground and we just put my hands into this offensive tackles chest and driving back into the quarterback. You know, those are the two things I look at more than out. But you know, I think if I had to do a player comparison about how I would want my guys to look, Khalil Mack is the guy that jumps to my mind.


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[Assistant] As far as a perfect pass rusher, maybe a little bit more length and size than Khalil Mack if I was going to be ideal Madden perfect player type of thing with maybe a little bit longer arm length like 34 and a half inch.


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[Assistant] Length arm, something like that, but generally speaking, it is the Khalil Mack mold, I think, that I would look for.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's what he came out in the draft, but I know that wasn't very long because I mean, we could ask my dad when he's on later. My dad says he's, he saw Lawrence run four or five on grass at two 53. So yeah. So, you know, that was, uh, I think, you know, college skinny Lawrence Taylor.


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[Assistant] It only took him like five meals to get up to 250, so I don't think it was much, but yeah, generally they're like I thought about Reggie White. Reggie White is different kind of rush defense and he's not necessarily your speed guys, almost like a defensive tackle slash defensive end.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he wasn't overly tall. I would say he was around 6'4 and a half, 6'5, but he was a


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[Assistant] Oh, that is a very good question. Yeah, it is. It is. I mean, both of course. Neither. You go neither. Yeah, I know. Both are extremely important.


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[Assistant] You know, oof, gosh, that is... What could you get by with? What could you win more games with? You know, honestly, I think if you gave me either one right now, I might go with the better pass coverage guy. Oh really? Well, I'll tell you, the first thing that comes to my mind,


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[Assistant] You know, the team that led the NFL in sacks this year was the 31st defense in football. That was the Kansas City Chiefs. Tell me how that pass rush worked, okay? You know, your pass rush just can't get home all game long.


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[Assistant] And I think you can, for the pass rush too, you can find ways to manipulate the pass rush too, to go, okay, we're not that talented, but we can run some stunts up front, some certain creative blitzes to make up for the lack that we don't have the great pass rush.


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[Assistant] Uh, and when you have a great secondary, you can take chances on some of those blitzes and things there. You know, I don't know if I would have answered this question the same way three or four years ago, but I think the last few years of what I've seen from New England and teams like Jacksonville, just to see how coverage is on the back end, it's very important.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and the difference between the best pass rushing teams in football and just the middle of the pack.


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[Assistant] It's just not that great to me, to where, yeaah, I favor the, uh, the coverage guys more. Interesting. I would not have... I know, I did not think I was gonna go there either.


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[Assistant] Let's see how I'd go here. The two guys jump out to me right away with route running. Okay?


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[Assistant] One is Kenan Allen for the Los Angeles Chargers. Phenomenal route runner. I mean that's where he's made his money. He's not going to beat people with speed and things like that. It's his ability to lean and bend and be able to stick his foot in the ground and just come out of a break and not lose any speed. So Kenan Allen, Julian Edelman.


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[Assistant] For the New England Patriots, I mean, off the charts good. I mean, Julian Edelman, again, if you saw him in person, he's so much quicker in person than TV gives him credit for, so I'd go him there. Antonio Brown, for the Oakland Raiders. Antonio Brown, yeaah, I mean, he's the man, but he's the man because he can run any route underneath the sun and run it at a very high level.


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[Assistant] Odo Beckham Jr. I'm going to put in the top route running conversation. That's why Antonio Brown and Odo Beckham Jr. are so awesome. Because not only do they have this freakish physical ability as far as speed and ability to jump up and catch 50-50 balls,


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[Assistant] Their route running is of a guy who's like a well-schooled, I'm not that talented, I need to perfect every route I run. They can do all of those type of things. So I look at those two and just go,


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[Assistant] Damn, I don't care that they're superstars and everybody thinks they might be in this answer. They are worthy of being in this answer. So, those two are amazing. And then, I think if I had to go with a fifth, and there's a few names that have come to mind.


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[Assistant] This is it, this is it. It comes out and- DeAndre Hopkins. It's the two Minnesota guys and Brandon Cooks out with the LA Rams. That would be the three. So if you maybe have a top five, it's down to those last three for one of those spots. And, mmm, my gosh.


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[Assistant] Uh, I think I'd go with Brandon Cooks, but it's a really close one. That's no disrespect to my man Stefan Diggs or Adam Thielen because they are awesome route runners as well. Cooks is special though. Cooks can do everything.


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[Assistant] Maybe better than a guy like Thiel and her digs. And do you have a clear number one or are they all pretty close? Gosh, it's all pretty close. I guess if I had to give a guy, I think Keenan Allen's route running is pretty special. I do. Yes. I think I would, I would give him one, but damn, it's, it's close because all those guys have a lot of the similar attributes.


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[Assistant] I think that's a very real possibility. I mean, I would almost guarantee that Big Ben throws for over 4,000 yards. He might get close to 5,000 again. If he can stay healthy. Yeah, if he can stay healthy, right. Aaron Rodgers, I do think you're going to see a jump in stats this year because


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[Assistant] One, I think he's got better offensive minds around him. There's going to be some creativity in the offense. I think you might actually see a run game in Green Bay for the first time in about nine years.


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[Assistant] I think that will help his bottom line stats at the end of the day. Now, Joe Flacco's the one I'll say, I'm gonna throw caution into the wind there. Uhm, I still believe in Joe Flacco.


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[Assistant] They got some new pieces in the offensive line. It's a new offensive coordinator. All things I like, but I don't know if I'm going to sit here and just go, oh, he's throwing for 4,000 yards because of that. Uh, and I don't know if they have enough talent in the pass game or people around them yet. You know, Emmanuel Sanders health and where he's at.


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[Assistant] Coming off of the torn Achilles, a wide receiver, that's gonna be paramount to Joe Flacco's stats and some of the offensive explosive plays that come in the passing game. So I'll say no on Flacco, but the other two I'll say, uh, spot on. I like it.


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[Assistant] He's handsome, he's rich, you know, he seems to be worldly. I feel like I could get along with him. He's gonna be, then, cause he's marrying me, he's divorcing Giselle, so he's got extra money, right? So, I'm living the life. I'm marrying, I'm marrying Tom. That's good. Okay, uhm, now, to murder- Why would you wanna do that? I don't wanna murder any of these- I know!


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[Assistant] Right? Yeah. I don't know if I can kill A-Rod or Odell Beckham. Yeah, why would you want to do that? But maybe.


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[Assistant] No, there is no out here. There's no way to do this. I'm actually thinking maybe I shouldn't marry. Maybe I should have killed Brady instead of married him. I don't know where to go.


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[Assistant] Alright, alright, so I'm gonna go with, uhm, uh, uh, I'm gonna go kill Aaron Rodgers, okay? And I'm gonna apparently, uh, sleep with Odell Beckham Jr. Okay? That's where I'm going here.


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[Assistant] I just love him so much that it's like, it was a jealousy murder. I was like, you're so great and awesome, I have to kill you. And Odell's cool and got style and I don't even know, I can't believe I'm talking about this. I take this back, I can be embarrassed.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, I do think Cliff will be able to make it work, first of all. I mean, I just think Cliff is, uh,


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[Assistant] He's been around enough and had enough of time in the NFL to understand that game I think where he can bring different aspects to the air raid offense. The air raid offense, if I can break it down,


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[Assistant] You know, a lot like the run and shoot was back in the day. It's about shotgun. It's about attacking you a million different ways just through the pass game.


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[Assistant] There's no run game involved. Really, the run game is created through the short passing game and wide receiver screens and that. And the error rate is, of course, about being aggressive on offense in general. I mean, gosh, Leach, when I was in college and he was at Texas Tech with Cliff Kingsbury and Wes Welker,


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[Assistant] I mean, fourth down, it didn't matter if it was fourth or first down. I don't think it changed his thought process. He was going to be aggressive. He was going to continue to push forward with passing the ball and find unique concepts there. But I think generally that's how I kind of look at the air raid offense and a passing offense that has a little bit of everything.


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[Assistant] And then has, uh, you know, the ability to go quick, put pressure on you with its pace, and then the ability to, you know, replicate the run game through screen games in the pass game is really kind of the beauty of the air raid offense, I guess, if I had to sum it up.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, Larry Fitzgerald, I think, can do some of that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, really fast, really quick, and I think he will be a guy that certainly has a huge role as far as the little jerk option rounds. Their second round pick last year, Christian Kirk out of Texas A&M, he's a similar guy too who can do some of that stuff. So I think they have a multitude of guys that can fill that role, which is always a good thing because then you can't peg one of them for that specific role. Okay. Victorsi, Victorsi.


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[Assistant] Okay, yeaah, that's a good one. Uhm, dumbest great quarterback of all time. I want to put Phil Simms up there in that category, okay? Uh, he might be in the running there. Uhm, let me just think about some other ones, just great quarterbacks of all time.


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[Assistant] You know, Vinny Testaverde, I'll throw him out there. Had a little bit of a meatheadedness to him, a little bit. Uh, had a reputation for throwing dumb interceptions, especially early on in his career. So I would throw him in that, probably that mix, okay.


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[Assistant] Dan Marino, I know he didn't kill the Wunderlich, but again, that's where like brains and quarterbacks, I do think it's overrated a little bit. You know, as long as you're not like,


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[Assistant] You know, scoring 700 on your SATs or 600 or a single-digit Wunderlich test score. I mean, anything really above 15 at quarterback position, I think a lot of teams would be like, okay, that's good. If he shows that he has got good football IQ, that's good enough there. We'll look at Fitzpatrick.


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[Assistant] I could show you a lot of really smart quarterbacks who have thrown a lot of really dumb interceptions. So those would be ones that jump out to me.


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[Assistant] Oh, hey! So now, right in the middle of our AMA, we have our special guest. Speaking of dumb great quarterbacks, here's my father.


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[Assistant] I'm doing, I'm doing like, uh, we're doing Ask Me Anything, so, you know, the fans can ask you whatever they want, and they asked me who was, you know, some of the dumbest great quarterbacks of all time.


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[Assistant] I threw you out there. I threw Dan Marino because he didn't have like the greatest wonderlick score. And you know, I've tried to qualify all these that these aren't dumb people. These are just, you know, just because they got a lower wonderlick score doesn't mean they got great football. It doesn't mean they don't have great football IQ and things like that.


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[Assistant] That's right. Uh, I threw him out there. Oh, Big Ben. I threw Big Ben out there just from the sheer fact that Big Ben's said and done a lot of dumb crap off the field. So he deserves to be in that category.


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[Assistant] I know. Yes, I don't think, I don't, I know. Well, I threw like, you know, like I said, I threw you, I threw Vinnie Testaverde in that category. So, you know, where they might be perceived as not the smartest guys in the world. Yeah, I don't think any of those guys were dumb quarterbacks, really.


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[Assistant] Well, okay. If they were dumb at quarterback, they were dumb, you know, and they're not one of the greats of all time. So then they were just dumb and then they're just dumb on the field, dumb off the field, and they're just all around dumb.


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[Assistant] Well, no, that's, he should be on the list. Terry Bradshaw should be on the list. Yes, again, he was brilliant on the football field, but hey, he's like, he's, uh, he's like what I would call like a rock head. He says dumb things. He says great funny jokes. Uh, it's not an insult. It's just to say you're not.


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[Assistant] I mean, I thought it was a brilliant move by the Miami Dolphins. I'm with dad. I mean, you know, it's not about whether Josh Rosen was worth their first round pick. He was worth their first round pick. It's the fact that everybody knew they were taking Kyler Murray. That lowers your value of the trade right away. So I think it's a great situation for Rosen.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, it's gonna be tough, but I think it's great in Miami to go, Oh, the 63rd pick, we traded away to see if we have maybe the franchise guy for the next, you know, five, eight years, however long it may be. And then maybe if it does work out, they don't have to use any of their assets because they got a lot of picks in next year's draft.


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[Assistant] I'm with dad on Rosen all the way. I like Rosen. It's not an indictment on him, but there's questions on that Miami team overall, the talent around him. And I hope it's not so bad or less than that. He can't show exactly what he is as a player.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you're not sold on Tank and Fertua yet. Uh, or Jake from...


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[Assistant] But I just don't like how it's always, oh, the quarterback on the best team. You know, hey, I'll challenge the Georgia Jake Fromm. People are putting him in the conversation for, you know, these are the guys that have the best Vegas odds of being drafted in the first round.


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[Assistant] I don't see Jake Fromm as a first round talent at all at this point.


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[Assistant] Georgia's got NFL players all over the field. So it's not just about one guy, nor is it like that way with Alabama too. So I, I just saying buyer aware and a lot of people who are not qualified to be making these statements are making these statements right now to where we can't just believe them because you know, they're an anchor on some sports highlight video show.


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[Assistant] Jalen Hurts, yea, Jalen Hurts, right? Jalen Hurts, oh yea, yea, sure. You're people who were first talking about benching him for TUA. You're gonna bench a guy that's been 24 and 2 in his college career?


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[Assistant] But does it sound as great when I go, there's a hundred quarterbacks you could have put at Alabama, and I promise you they would have been 24 and 2.


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[Assistant] And you, and you retired at top 20 and wins all time when you retired.


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[Assistant] Yeah, dad, just so you know, I said the ideal passenger to me, it looks a little bit like a Lawrence Taylor or a Khalil Mack. That's the perfect picture of a guy I have in my mind.


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[Assistant] I feel like there's maybe a few years there in the like early 84 85 or Andy Head and might have got in the game a little bit, and they might have gave him a rest here and there, but it wasn't very often.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, he let everybody know where he thinks, uh, Lawrence Taylor deserves to be in that conversation. Other than that, I gotta ask you this, because the producer in my ears asked me, and I wanna ask you this. We haven't talked about Reggie White as far as great pass rushers. Why don't you just tell everybody what it was like having to play him twice a year, every year.


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[Assistant] Doesn't matter. We're better. That's great. But the goal is not to win those games. The goal is to be able to beat New England in New England in the AFC Championship game or whatever it may be to where if you think you're going to line up in the same defense all game long, I don't give a damn if you got 11 all pros out there. If you're going to do the same thing all game long.


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[Assistant] Belichick, Brady, McDaniels, they're gonna pick it apart eventually. And we've seen that, whether it was the AFC Championship game, it was 20-10 in the fourth quarter, they got in the group. Or the many times New England played against the same defensive scheme, Seattle in the Super Bowl, they did it. Brady picked them apart. Oh, he played Atlanta, Seattle defensive scheme in the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Bam, he picked it apart, because it's just the same thing over and over, and the quarterback can line, walk to the line of scrimmage and go, oh, okay, they're in this defense, oh, I know their rules here, they're gonna have trouble stopping this part of our play right here, and then they get attacked, as long as you have a good quarterback who's smart and throws the ball accurately and makes good decisions, it's just too easy to pick apart.


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[Assistant] The Eagles teams he played at the end of the 80s with Jerome Brown and Clyde Simmons and Reggie White and all the great players. He has said publicly that those defenses were better than the 85 Bears. Now that's a bold statement. Wow. I know, but he does. He, he, he stood by that before. I know, but it was, of course, extremely talented.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that is terrifying. I mean dad has been told by people in the league that he was certainly one of the reasons.


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[Assistant] Deadfishing my dad. That's what they call the deadfish rule where you kind of just, you pick the quarterback up and let all your weight fall on the quarterback.


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[Assistant] That dad's talking about, 1988 game, they're playing the Eagles at home, and he separated his shoulder on the turf field because Reggie crushed him, and that was it for that game. I would not survive. I feel like I would not survive. Yea, I'm amazed sometimes with my dad that he's still in one piece and can talk and shoot hoops or...


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's, it's close. Okay, so for this, this is a good, this is a good time to drop this. I'm gonna be doing the, the Sims quarterback power rankings. The Sims 40.


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[Assistant] Something like that. It's coming out soon. Yeah, I think it's gonna come to top 40. Will he be in the top 40? It's gonna be very close. There was a point early last year, the way he played early on, I said, uh,


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[Assistant] Hey listen, I'm not gonna be a jerk, I said Blake Bortles, yeaah. He's definitely moved up the rankings. Now the 30s, I'm not sure if I can put him there. He's on my long list of players, like I have already started the formation of this list.


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[Assistant] And I have about 45 quarterbacks written down to get into that 40. And I'm not sure if he's gonna make the list or not.


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[Assistant] Because I just said damn he's got talent and at the very least he's better than some of these back end or backup quarterbacks or some of these low level starters. So I'm gonna put some


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[Assistant] Well, I'm uh, I'm gonna say, yeaah, I'm gonna say that the three first-rounders I think are definitely gonna make it, and I'm gonna probably put Drew Lock in there. The question is, does like, maybe does a Jared Stidham or somebody like that who gets drafted in the mid-rounds make it? I will think about it. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna be bad, I don't care.


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[Assistant] For the last three weeks I've been all in on Tottenham. Ruining Liverpool. Ruining for Liverpool. Okay, alright. Yeah, I am. And I'm a little, I'm a little bad with my soccer knowledge right now. It's a new job, NBC, I got a lot of stuff going on. I haven't paid attention to soccer.


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[Assistant] Cool. Alright, Man City's had enough success lately. I'm rooting for Liverpool to win that too. Yeah, last year. The upstart team. Yeah, I got that. I'm all for that. Okay, cool. And, uh, it's Mother's Day. Is it this weekend? It's Sunday. I know, I know. Yup. I don't know. I gotta figure it out too. This is, I gotta get on my game here. We have so, we had a lot more.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, we'll get to it. We're gonna get to it. It's the off season. So there's not gonna be a lot of news all the time. So we're gonna visit the fans and again, continue to send in questions.


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[Assistant] I don't give a damn how ridiculous they are either. I like the fun ones, I really do. No, that one made me uncomfortable. It was a little uncomfortable, I mean, yes, I mean, murder, marry and, you know, having sex with someone, that's a tough decision, okay?


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[Assistant] But, uh, we got it done somehow. We did. Well done. Thank you very much. Enjoy the weekend. Yea, you too, dude. Alright, Chris Sims on Button Podcast. You know where to find me. If you want to watch us, me, Ahmed, Ahmed Fareed, uh, youtube.com slash NBC Sports. Peace out, homies. Have a good one.


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[Assistant] Yo yo, what's up? Come on man, subscribe on YouTube to Chris Sims on Button Podcast. I need you, please hit the subscribe button, please!


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[Assistant] And, uh, I've always told my wife, like, hey listen, you're gonna have to deal with me sharing things. It's just the way I work, and I can't have a filter, and if you want me to continue to be successful, and you wanna enjoy the finer things in life, then you gotta let me go.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yup, uh, yup, that's, that's my wife, uh, Danielle, Danielle Puglio, aka Puli


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[Assistant] We used to call her back in the day. I'll end it right there. Stanley Cup was awesome last night. I think we gotta talk about that as sports fans, right? I mean, first of all, uh, Jordan Bennington, that's who we gotta talk about. Goalie for the St. Louis Blues. I mean, for me, that's the greatness of like basketball, baseball, uh, hockey.


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[Assistant] I don't know, 16 minutes of the game last night, Paul. The Bruins absolutely dominated and I'm sitting there watching. I'm not a huge hockey fan. I'm not going to sit here and pretend I know, but I just said, wow, I mean, they're taking shots. They got the puck.


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[Assistant] I mean St. Louis is real and this guy is just making save after save and what does he do? A great goalie, a great player, they allow their team to kind of get into the zone or get into the flow of the game and they kind of caught up and then it was, it was over. 2-0 at the end of the first period so congratulations to them. It's kind of unbelievable that they've never won a Stanley Cup. I didn't know that until like 10 days ago.


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[Assistant] Okay, that's good. I'd rather that than maybe calling out the guy who's just paid money and drinking a beer and not paying attention to the situation of the game. So okay, that's cool to hear. Alright, we got a few things we're gonna hit on. We're gonna continue the Chris Sims quarterback countdown. That's coming up.


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[Assistant] Few things in the news I think that are just worthy of discussing a little bit. First thing is, you know, anybody paying attention to football, the Texans Patriots feud that has gone on here over the last few days, right?


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[Assistant] Very interesting how it started. And again, I don't know all the stories or the facts of the situation here. I'm not a guy that's here trying to break news. The way I operate is I hear these kind of stories.


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[Assistant] I don't call friends and people right away and go, Oh, give me the scoop cause I got a pod tomorrow. No, at some point over the next few weeks, I'll talk to people and I'll figure out exactly what happened. But you know,


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[Assistant] Odd one because Billy O'Brien was such a valued, uh, you know, member of the Patriots organization and I think there's great respect there for him as a person, a coach, everything he does.


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[Assistant] You know, to Nick Casario who is really the acting GM of the Patriots but doesn't have the title because that's the way the Patriots work and we know Bill is calling the final shots at the end of the day.


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[Assistant] You know, it's been talked that, you know, of course the Texans want to interview Nick Casario and they put in the form of request to do that.


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[Assistant] And, you know, if you made me put money on it, I would go, yeah, Nick Casario is going to be the GM down there. You know, and people talk about Billy O'Brien. Oh, he's hard to get along with because he's, it's been two GMs now that he hasn't got along. Yeah, Billy O'Brien is not going to be happy until someone from New England is there to do things the way


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[Assistant] He saw them done when he was in New England, you know, and of course, New England has 18 years of dominating the century to this point where he goes, look, what they do is the right way. So he wants it done that way. I get that.


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[Assistant] But, now, the Patriots file tampering charges on the Patriots, uh, on the Texans, excuse me. Which is very interesting, and again, I don't know how this went down.


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[Assistant] Yes, Gaines got fired the next day too. So, yes, it makes everybody believe that something went down that night. And maybe something did. Maybe we don't know that. Maybe there was a conversation that went on between Nick Kisario and Bill Belichick or Easterby and Bill Belichick. You know, either way, uh,


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[Assistant] I think that Kasariya is going to end up in Houston regardless. I do. I think they're going to make him the GM and give him the full power of being the GM and not just the de facto GM like he is with the New England Patriots where he's going to run free agency, the draft.


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[Assistant] And certainly have a big say of the 53-man roster along with Bill O'Brien.


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[Assistant] If you're given that opportunity to go and further your career, and you're gonna get more power and authority and have a better job, he's always been willing to let guys go out the door and do interviews. I don't think he would stand in the way of this. I don't think he wouldn't stand in the way of this. But to me, what it just reads like right now, reading between the lines and everything, it seems like they're


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[Assistant] It looks like there was a conversation and, hey, you know, the Texans are gonna, they wanna interview me.


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[Assistant] Did this conversation go down the lines too long of to where Bill here talking to Nick Casario or somebody realized, oh wait,


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[Assistant] They've discussed this more than I thought already. This is more than you know, someone coming to ask permission to


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[Assistant] Interview my head, you know, pro personnel, a de facto GM guy. This sounds like you guys have already have some of the nuts in the bolts of the situation figured out, and you haven't even asked my permission yet. And I can see that pissing Bill Belichick off.


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[Assistant] So that's where I think it goes to. I think eventually because Bill O'Brien and I think Nick Casario wants to be that GM at some point in his career. I mean, he's phenomenal. He's so qualified for the job.


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[Assistant] I, I do think some agreement, and Foreo was the first one that kinda pulled this out there, and I can envision that happening. Some sort of agreement, whether it's draft picks, mid-round picks, whatever it may be, a swap for the GM, because now, yeaah, it does look like the Texans might have broke some rules.


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, I mean that's where, you know, the other, the other name you heard here being thrown, thrown into the Texans GM conversation is the head of the pro-personnel for the New England Patriots, Monte Osenfort, who is a phenomenal guy that I would vouch for as well. I would expect, I would expect