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[Assistant] But, you know, again, hey yeaah, if I'm throwing to you, this is where I kinda wanna be. Step, throw, do that, right? That's kinda where I wanna be right there. Okay, if my feet are over here, I still can do that.


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[Assistant] You know, it doesn't matter. So I can still make it happen and go, okay, wait, I can get my upper body and my arm angle in the spot where I need to. And if I just kind of lean back, I'll be able to create some power. You know, that's one of the first things I do with young quarterbacks. A lot of the times if I'm


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[Assistant] I make them stand in an awkward position a little bit with the feet cockeyed with a little base, no stepping or throwing here, but you just gotta turn with the upper body and they start to realize, holy shit.


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[Assistant] I'm throwing 20 yard outrouts now. Like perfect spirals missiles. Oh wait.


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[Assistant] I love it. Joe Dirt playing quarterback. That is amazing. I know, right? I mean, the mullet is coming back apparently. I've seen it more and more. I feel like I don't know what anybody's thinking by sporting it, but it's apparently coming back. See how long that lasts.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's like a, okay. You always got a good little style. I'll give you that for an old guy that doesn't wear a weenie bikini. Yours is pretty cool. Alright, next pod, that's it.


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[Assistant] Check out PLL with Paul. He said weenie bikini in front of the boss. Oh, that's okay. He's heard worse. He's from Boston. All right. He'll be, he'll be all right. Next pod, we got Ahmed. Quarterback rankings will continue. Thank you for the Woodford reserve. You know what? I'll be drinking this weekend. Peace out everybody. Have a good weekend. See ya. You the man, Paulie B.


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[Assistant] Hi, I'm Mike Tirico and thanks for watching. Make sure to hit subscribe for the


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[Assistant] I hadn't heard that back yet. Yeaah, so it was the first time I heard it back either. But me going, uh, red four, wait no.


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[Assistant] Well here's the thing, hold on, quiet, quiet, quiet. I feel like these mics pick up the bass in my voice.


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[Assistant] And they do what he says. Even I, even I was surprised. I was very surprised by that. I'm glad you got it done though. Craig and Tom hooked us up, Kristen as well. Yeah, I think they sound better. And that's the main point of a podcast, right? They have to have, so, you know, tweet us. Do we sound, is my voice... Do we sound, you sound silkier and smoother. Do I sound silkier and smoother?


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[Assistant] Bad analogies or whatever. We'll go with the, we'll go with the poor quality sound because it's just too weird with you guys with microphones.


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[Assistant] Did you make that all clear to him, after the play, or after the game, your center?


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[Assistant] Uh, okay, so we told Kristen before the pod, we're on a little tighter schedule here, we said we'll move things along, and we're like 10 minutes in, we've talked nothing about what we want to talk about so far.


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[Assistant] Uh, so what we will have on this podcast is we got five more of your top 40 countdown. We're going from 30 all the way to 26. I like this five. This is a good five.


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[Assistant] Homies are gonna have a couple questions about the previous five and, or actually all the way back to 40. Yep, everything. The previous ten. We have another eight in the quarterback coach. Oh, I love it. Royal Rumble countdown. Who could beat up Boomer? Here we go. Between coaches and quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] Pete says we will show it. And time permitting, which we have to get to, we will rate your snap count. We got more submissions. Trying to beat my red four. See if they can do it.


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[Assistant] Let's get right into it though. The top 40 countdown has made its way to 30. And at 30, for you, Chris, is...


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[Assistant] So Mike Reese covers the Patriots for ESPN.com. He was at the OTA. Uh, he had some interesting quotes on how he's come in and really has hit the ground running, which is what you thought he would do, which was what a lot of people thought he would do pro ready. They just think the ceiling's not as high.


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[Assistant] Go to the right place. There was a little, if any, indecisiveness. He's probably further along. Now get this. He's probably further along.


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[Assistant] Could part of this be, we've all been saying this for so long that we're looking for things to confirm that he's a smart guy who can make quick decisions. I mean that could be part of it, but there's something impressive going on.


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[Assistant] Can I read you the Kendrick Bourne quote about him? Thank you. That's where I wanted to go with that. Good energy. He goes, good energy. Awesome guy. Can feel his leadership already. He has a swag to him that I didn't know he had at first.


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[Assistant] What do you think of Florio wondering in one of his stories that what if the Patriots have two packages or in some games even, you go, this is a cam game, this is a Mac Jones game. Would they go, as he put it, play 40 chess like that with two capable quarterbacks on the roster?


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[Assistant] I want Mack Jones to play well because I think there have been so many people that there's this open-minded, closed-minded debate. It's like, ah, Chris, you're not open-minded. You don't see the value of a running quarterback this year for whatever reason.


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[Assistant] Justin Fields or Trey Lance. But really, if you look at the flip side of it, they're kinda close minded to the fact that maybe a guy who looks the way that Mack Jones does can still be a successful NFL quarterback.


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[Assistant] Alright, so what is realistic? Last thing, Hernan Favela says, what's the floor and ceiling for Mac Jones in the New England offense? Is it Brady-ish? Oh, I'm not gonna ever say Brady-ish.


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[Assistant] And in five years, you'd have a hard time believing he's dropped off your top 40 list.


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[Assistant] So he started nine games with the Cowboys last year, and I did a little comparison between Dak Prescott and Andy Dalton when he got in there.


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[Assistant] Touchdown percentage, percentage of passes that were touchdowns. Dalton.


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[Assistant] Slightly ahead of Dak. Right. And I saw that and I was like, I'm gonna build this whole stat list of where Dalton performed just about as well as Dak. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Then what happened? I couldn't. No, because yards per game, it was like Dak was throwing 370 yards per game in the five games. And he was at what, like two? 197. So they didn't throw that much at all. Right. Through more interceptions.


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[Assistant] He was 25th in the NFL, and he's 29th on your list, so maybe it's, maybe it's about right for him.


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[Assistant] He wasn't as good as Dak and a little concerning because there were a lot of weapons on that Cowboys office.


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[Assistant] So you think it'll be Dalton week one? Cause that's what the coaching staff has said.


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[Assistant] Justin Fields is gonna excite the fanbase. Uh, Dak Prescott excites the fanbase in Dallas more than Andy Dalton, but...


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[Assistant] If you want to compare Andy Dalton to maybe some favorable comparisons, you can do that with the Bears quarterback since 2011. Kristen, do we have that, that graphic? Because it's not like the Bears have had a ton of great quarterbacks in quarterback play. Mitch Trubisky, they were hoping he was going to be the guy. And so we're taking a look here on YouTube.


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[Assistant] Uh, the numbers, pass game, uh, pass yards per game is up.


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[Assistant] Touchdowns, it's all actually pretty similar. Andy Dalton fits right in with the Chicago Bears quarterback since 2011. He really, he really does. I thought he would be a little bit better than them, but.


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[Assistant] I'm not saying this is what you would do, but this is feeling like one of those where, like in fantasy football, you do this sometimes where you have your rankings and then push comes to shove and you're on the clock and Andy Dalton's sitting there and so is Drew Lock.


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[Assistant] And Tua. And Mac Jones. And Jared Goff. And you go, uh, I've got Dalton higher on my list.


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[Assistant] Can I really pull the trigger? And is he the guy that's gonna lead my team?


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[Assistant] And maybe a team especially like the Bears, where you were a borderline playoff team, and who knows? I would think that Matt Nagy probably has a higher opinion of his team than you do of them. I bet they're thinking, this can be another playoff year, win a couple games, get a good seed, make a run in the playoffs, like why not this year?


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[Assistant] And so you would want an Andy Dalton in that situation. At least to start.


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[Assistant] Do you feel like our show is different with these mics yet? Do you feel like you're swearing less? Do you feel like there's a different feel to our show?


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[Assistant] This is a freeing moment. Right? You do too? I do too. I feel like my thoughts are coming out. Like for some reason it's like seeing this professional microphone in front of me. I'm like alright, let's bring it and let's make sure I have my thoughts ordered in order. Pete, what do you think so far? Is this, have we stepped it up here?


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[Assistant] Alright, and so, uh, raising their game in this quarterback list is ahead of Andy Dalton and ahead of Mack Jones. That was my worst transition so far, but still, uh, better, better flow. Uh, number 28 on your list, another exciting, exciting prospect is Trevor.


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[Assistant] I'll read, I'll read you the story. Uh, it said, uh, on four of his passing attempts, he overthrew receivers and two ended up his past breakups. In all, he misfired on his final seven attempts. Now Urban Meyer was asked about it after practice. He said, yeah, he had a great day yesterday and an okay day today. He said a big reason.


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[Assistant] Is the red zone emphasis. That's obviously a very hard area of the field.


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[Assistant] So Trevor Lawrence was a star at Clemson. Kristen, do we have his, his three years there?


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[Assistant] Because I think always the danger with players like this, and you see, where was it? 2018, he was pretty good. In 2019, I think that is, I mean all three of his years were pretty good. Yeah, they're all phenomenal, right. Uhm, but always the danger is that we,


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[Assistant] Write the story in a guy in 2018, freshman quarterback. Oh, this guy's unbelievable. He's going to be the next great thing. And then we don't want to revisit that story.


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[Assistant] Even if we have evidence to the contrary. Now you put Zach Wilson ahead of Trevor Lawrence. I mean, is there a chance that everyone's gotten a little ahead of themselves on this quote unquote generational talent of Trevor Lawrence?


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[Assistant] You've made your own transition once again on the pod from 28 and Trevor Lawrence. We go to 27 and Zach Wilson, New York jets.


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[Assistant] So these two are always going to be linked, Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson. Kristen, can we take a look at their 2020 seasons together? So here are, including the post-seasons, what they did.


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[Assistant] You know, they're, they're similar, right? They're both awesome. And it's always going to be hard to compare. And that was big. We talked about that so much in the draft process. It's like, oh, you got BYU and then you got SEC, you got Clemson, you're playing against tough opponents, but you also got pretty good teammates there. And so those debates are really hard to have because every situation is unique and different.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and the one argument you never hear is the quarterback that plays in the SEC on a bad team that does okay. Kellen Mond, right? That's why I always walk away from those discussions about the schedule and no one gives those guys credit.


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[Assistant] Let's get into that comparison because Memet305 asked a good question. Which Ricky quarterback is set up to have the most success in year one based on his weapons, O-line, offensive coordinator. So we'll just do Lawrence and Wilson here. So we'll go the better weapons. Who has the better weapons? Jacksonville Jaguars, New York Jets.


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[Assistant] Can the Jets win on the offensive line? McKay-Beckton they got last year.


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[Assistant] This is the ultimate test of your, of your memory here. We're taking two of the worst teams last year and breaking them down position by position.


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[Assistant] Alright, so who do you think will win most, more games? So points bet, the official sports book of NBC Sports has both at six. Yeaah. Now Jacksonville has the eighth easiest schedule according to a projected window.


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[Assistant] Jets are in the mid, mid-pack, 16th. Ooh, okay, so here's- So Jacksonville's easier, Jets are a little harder, but still mid-pack.


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[Assistant] Well, either way, those are two exciting quarterbacks. Number 28, Trevor Lawrence, number 27, Zach Wilson, which leads us to the final one we'll talk about today. And he was a former high round pick, one that you did not agree with at the time you've come around on him. But today, this is a make or break year. Number 26 on your list.


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[Assistant] So he has been showing good leadership this off season. There's some stories out there about him organizing private workouts in Arizona a few weeks ago, early in the off season. Uh, he's got some throwing sessions together in New Jersey with Sterling Shepard, David Sills, new teammate, Kenny Galladay.


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[Assistant] He took, uh, the new, uh, signees out to dinner. Kyle Rudolph he took out to dinner. So, I mean, I give him credit for that. The same things you talked about with Mac Jones. It's like, I think sometimes it's more difficult for a guy who hasn't necessarily succeeded.


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[Assistant] What do you think about his turnovers? Because, uh, do we have his 2019 versus 2020?


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[Assistant] Uh, here are his numbers. Too much. He had fewer touchdown passes, uh, this past year, uh, too fewer interceptions, but still, still a lot, a lot of fumbles.


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[Assistant] He was sacked 9.1% of the time, second most in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Do you know who was first? The only quarterback who was sacked at a higher rate per pass play.


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[Assistant] Uh, it was Carson Wentz. Oh, Pete guessed it in my ear.


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[Assistant] Ding ding ding, Pete. Similar type of problem.


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[Assistant] Well, maybe he needs to get his footwork in check too, because Mickey Bruckner, do you know this guy from Annex Sports in Chatham, New Jersey? I guess he's a quarterback. Chatham, New Jersey. My family says Chatham. So he is a quarterback coach and he's got a


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[Assistant] You know, one of those complexes where they have warehouse. So we tweeted a couple videos of Daniel Jones. He noted he wanted, this is what he wanted to do this offseason with him. Get a balanced center of mass over his base. Hips move under his shoulders while his head and shoulders remain downfield. And see how quickly he can put his foot into the ground and then move.


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[Assistant] I think that was a good time to get into maybe a couple quarterbacks who are not gonna make your list. Because I think up to this point, we thought, well maybe they're on there, they're just higher. I think now it's become obvious that they're not gonna make it. And one guy,


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[Assistant] Was 30th last year on your list. This comes from Tanked4Trevor.


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[Assistant] This is absolutely love the throwback Chuck Taylors for Reid. Oh, thank you. He's following our instructions of a specific compliment, watching and then complimenting a specific thing. Thank you for that. I'm wearing them once again. Uh, he said, uh, but does this mean that Gardner Minshew,


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[Assistant] Does not make the top 40 cut this year. 30th last year, he didn't make.


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[Assistant] Alright, the next one is a name that I think is gonna shock a lot of people. Shouldn't by now, but yea. I think they're fans in Philadelphia.


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[Assistant] Who have their quarterback as a top 25 quarterback in the NFL. Jalen Hurts is not in your top 25. He is not in your top 40.


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[Assistant] Let me give you a Julio Jones question. Let's break away from the list just for one second because we did get a question from Kat JK. Does Julio Jones fit?


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[Assistant] They're saying now that they would maybe take a number two if you eat the contract, but I don't know that they have that much money left over, do they?


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[Assistant] Pete notes that previously they did trade a second round pick for Mohamed Sanu. I know.


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[Assistant] And trade you a pick. One more question, CJ Easterday, back on the show. What up, Easterday? He goes, what's up, Simsie? One question, how do you always end up with sweaty co-hosts? First it was Lefkoe, now it's Ahmed. What's going on?


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[Assistant] That will never stop for any of us here working with you. All right. So that wraps up the Q and A part. And now we got to get to maybe the most important part of the podcast. The most important. The continuation of the quarterback coach Royal Rumble countdown. So what we did before, and I think Pete has them here if you're watching on YouTube.


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[Assistant] Here's my rankings. He's attached my name to them so that Zach Taylor and Joe Burrow know who to attack next time they see me as I have them ranked as the most likely to get beat up by every other quarterback and coach combo in the NFL. I think they could take Bridgewater and Fangio. That's where I'll go.


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[Assistant] Okay, so the next eight are happy they're not in that eight, right? They're not in the bottom, but here's the thing. They're still in the bottom half. They're still in the bottom half these next eight. So they're still more likely to lose and still wanting to kick your ass at some point. Right. Uh, number 24 for me here on the list.


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[Assistant] The Seattle Seahawks duo of Russell Wilson and 70 year old Pete Carroll turned 70 in September. So Pete Carroll is now 69, I think they are 24 right here.


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[Assistant] 23rd? No, he's uh, no, he's in, cause he's ahead of Pete. Oh yea, you're right.


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[Assistant] Okay, alright, I, you know, again. They got youth on their side. They do got youth. Jimmy G's got a lot to protect up above the neck.


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[Assistant] So Arthur is only 38, and he was a backup guard at UNC for 16 years. I was gonna say Arthur's big. He's big. 6'4, 283 right? 283 for Arthur's


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[Assistant] A guy that didn't make your top 40 quarterback list. Jalen Hurts and Nick Sirianni, the new guy who turns 40 years old this year. Height unknown says Pete, but he's eyeballing photos says he's about 6'1". I think so. That's what it looks like to me. And he's into competition. Remember that? He's talked about rock, paper, scissors. And so he'd be into fighting. Well, you might be low, you might


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[Assistant] I'm gonna, I'm gonna have to just say at the end of it, there are 30 top 10 quarterback coach, uh, Royal Rumble countdown. Uh, so number 20, uh, 21 is Jalen Hurts and Nick Sirianni. Number 20?


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[Assistant] Sam Darnold, uh, Darnold and Matt Ruhl, who is also a former college football player, linebacker at Penn State. Uh, he's not that big, but I think he's tough and scrappy. And I think Sam is solid too. I mean, he's got a solid body. Sam Darnold.


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[Assistant] Kyler Murray and Cliff Kingsbury. Now, Cliff is big, 6'3". He's just almost as tall as me. Turns 42 in August. Yea. And he stays in shape. He stays in shape, of course, right? Yea. You gotta keep that whole look together.


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[Assistant] And who knows, like, when he does a punch, he's a former baseball player with a swing, he's probably got good side, oblique areas in his power.


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[Assistant] 18 is interesting, and on paper you might think they should be lower.


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[Assistant] But I think they would be a deadly combination, or at least mid-pack in the NFL. At 18, the Dallas Cowboy duo of Dak Prescott and Mike McCarthy, who did play football as well in college, a tight end at Scottsdale Community College in Baker University. I feel like this has gotta be too low.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Mike McCarthy's a big dude, dude. Offensively though, as a fighter, I think he'd struggle, right? He'd be in the Andy Reid category though, of it'd be tough to take him down. And what I think they could do, is they could say, alright,


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[Assistant] Dak, Mike McCarthy, I'm going to take on both these guys. They're going to try to beat me into submission. It's not going to work. They're going to wear me down. They're not going to defeat me. And then Dak, you come up and clean up the scrap.


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[Assistant] So I don't know what his movement is, but he doesn't need it, right? Just be there, be the sponge, take all the abuse.


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[Assistant] You talked me back into 19 with Kyler and Cliff. You talked me back into that one. Uh, 17.


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[Assistant] This could be a surprise. Now here's where I'm going with Mike Zimmer. So Mike Zimmer, you look at Mike Zimmer. He is not a guy who's gonna lose a fight. Right? So if he's about to go down, something illegal's about to happen. Like Mike Zimmer's gonna figure out a way to illegally win this fight. How dare you.


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[Assistant] And so I have him 17th on the list, who by the way, he turned 65 on Saturday. So happy birthday Mike Zimmer. You think I'm way too high on that.


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[Assistant] I think Zimmer would know, like, you know those things where you put- Like pressure points? Yea, pressure points. Right, right. You like touch you on your-


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[Assistant] Let's do a couple snap counts. Okay. From the homies. Yeah. Kristen, you ready with this? Uh, we'll start with Coach Bilgrin on Twitter, sent not only a snap count, but the whole, the huddle, up to the line, everything. So Kristen, if we can take a listen.


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[Assistant] That's what I tweeted back to him. I was like, he's gonna, you're putting yourself out there because it could be like one of those movie situations where you go, that's not real life. No one would ever say that.


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[Assistant] Alex Sim, congratulations. Where'd it go, Alex Sim?


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[Assistant] If you're willing to put yourself out there with your voice, that's amazing. If you're willing to do it with video as well, we applaud that. Well, well done. So he did it. He did it with video in his car.


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[Assistant] Okay, 5.5 right now, but he did another one. And he tried to save red four. So here is Chandler from outside the pylons trying to figure out if red four is possible.


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[Assistant] Did you, did you hear him though when he did Red 4? Southern accent. It's impossible to do Red 4 without a southern accent. You might be right. You have to do it.


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[Assistant] And a one. Which might be the highest score you can get for red fort.


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[Assistant] His shoulders went down. He was deflated. The whole team was deflated. He was like, not this again. Uh, alright, keep those coming. That was fun. I think we could grow on that and keep getting better and better. And that wraps up our first ever pod with these microphones. Yes. Period. That was it.


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[Assistant] Okay? We're gonna wrap up, but I'm just gonna sit here, Kristen, if you can keep the mic sound. I just wanna hear how my bass sounds. At the, uh, okay. Okay. Alright, that's it.


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[Assistant] If that's the case, and that would certainly make sense, I wonder if it's a veteran inside the locker room who said, hey, just so you know, like, guys aren't really down with this. Or if it's someone who's like on his PR staff who kind of raised that flag and said, let's really think about this.


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[Assistant] Have you been checking out what's online here with Mike Davis? I know your leg's an ass guy. Oh, come on. This is unbelievable. What? It's like it was made for you. You know it was. This time of year. Right. It's May, we need something. And look at this. And he swears it's not photoshopped. It's not. Look at those legs.


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[Assistant] There was a quarterback on our roster at Iowa who had so much testosterone in his body naturally. Yeaah. He had to go twice a month to get tested just to make sure it was all legit.


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[Assistant] And not fake. For real. Sure. Because you said that he would just look at it.


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[Assistant] This guy would look at it and he'd be like a linebacker the next day. Okay, so we have Saquon Barkley here. Those are also pretty impressive. Cooked turkey.


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[Assistant] I've always said people should get to watch this one NFL game from the sideline to see what happens when the running back turns the corner and the linebackers and safeties have about a 20 yard sprint to them. Like the type of collision they have all the time and have to get up and come back to the huddle and do what you're talking about.


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[Assistant] Nothing but respect. So running backs kinda lead us into this. It's gonna be a quarterback based show here. We're gonna look at your top 40 from last year and it's all set up to get to your top 40 for this year which is coming real soon.


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[Assistant] Top 40, as you said, top 10, not that difficult for you. It started out with Mahomes, goes to Wilson and Rogers, Deshaun Watson at four, Lamar Jackson five, and then six through 10, interesting. I'm sure it'll look different this year. Wentz, Ryan Prescott, Stafford, and Newton.


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[Assistant] As much movement as ever in a top 40 or 30. Yes. I think pretty easily. Right. And you have the fact that two quarterbacks have retired. Breeze and Rivers down there, 16 and 17. Right. You have all that. You have what you just said. Your confidence that you know what, I'm going to take a step even further this year with guys that I know should be higher.


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[Assistant] So this list that starts next week, and we do it in groups of five, we'll go 40 to 36 on Monday, but a lot of movement, and I think a lot of bold picks coming.


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[Assistant] Victory lap. Okay, one ranking that you're most proud of.


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[Assistant] Sorry, it's a long answer. No, that's okay. You had your third quarterback last year who you didn't like a whole lot, or at least lukewarm at best, too. You had him at 40. Yeah. So I'm gonna guess Mac Jones, who you like a lot, is gonna be up there, uh, no doubt. Yes. Quite a bit higher in the 30s. Right.


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[Assistant] You mentioned Brady, maybe, maybe would have been higher. Let's keep going with the self-scout thyself. Uh, another name, and Kristen, you can throw up that list once again. I know we keep coming back to it. Uh, another name that you look back at and say, you know what? I, I regret that one a little bit too.


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[Assistant] He's one I had written down. I had a couple notes as I was looking at myself. I said, I bet Chris has him damn near the top ten and almost in it.


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[Assistant] It's gonna be dancing right around there. Right. There's no doubt.


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[Assistant] A couple other predictions. I kind of put circles around guys that I thought...


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[Assistant] Have a really good chance of moving into the top 10. You don't have to say yes or no, but if it gets a reaction from you, go ahead. I think Ryan Tannehill at 11 will probably bump up somewhere into the top 10 or at least at 10 for this year. I had Josh Allen moving from 18 into the top 10 for you. No question.


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[Assistant] Maybe top. Top five is probably coming. Right? Yeaah. Close to it? It's not a spoiler alert. I don't think anybody should be shocked by that. Not a surprise at all. I also had Baker Mayfield as a possible top ten for you. Yeaah. And he was a 21 last year. Right. Joe Burrow?


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[Assistant] All 15 of the guys that you think are top 10 that I think you might have in the top 10 are not going to be able to be there. So if that knee injury pushes him back, uh, that works.


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[Assistant] And then Watson, Jackson, Herbert Burrow and Tannahill down there at 10. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] I mean they were winning and I don't remember exactly, but did he have like, I mean he had just a handful of interceptions, like count them on one hand at that point. Definitely.


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[Assistant] Kristen, let's, let's put that back up. Sorry about that. Yeah, you're good. Don't worry. Top ten again. And I'm gonna get into my, uh, from a landlocked state in the Midwest, tornado watch, tornado warning thing here, so follow me.


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[Assistant] When there was a tornado watch, it was just like, hey keep an eye on it.


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[Assistant] This might happen. Go about your business, but just be aware. Right. This might happen. The tornado warning was get to the basement. This is happening. It's happening. Right. Right. Let's throw out a little tornado watch around a couple, three of these guys in the top 10 that you think


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[Assistant] You know what? Maybe they just might not show up in the top 10 coming up this year.


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[Assistant] I think the two names in the leader house to jump into the top ten are Brady and Baker Mayfield.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it's a tough year. It's gonna be a while before that comes around. If we're knocking them off five at a time. It's gonna be end of June. End of the June before we're gonna, uh, yeaah. I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be in the Peloton. I'm gonna be in the Tour by then. So I'll just have to like watch. You'll have to watch. We'll send you updates. I'll walk down from that side of the building and see if you're right or wrong.


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[Assistant] Hey Pete, Pete had a good question from Twitter. He wanted me to throw out there. This is from JasonRob44. What up JasonRob? If Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes traded teams last year, how would they have fared?


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[Assistant] I think, I think, I mean my interpretation, how, how would the teams have fared?


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[Assistant] Who could be that guy this year? Scheme, maybe a couple of really good new pieces who is just playing with a completely different deck than he was the year before.


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[Assistant] Who do you think is in a better spot going from one team to the next to make a really big jump? Stafford or Carson Wentz? Better set up to move it on up.


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[Assistant] Let's go with some prop bets. Okay. For coming up here in 2021 quarterbacks. This is from our friends, uh, provided by PointsVet here. Let's begin with passing yards. Who's going to have the most passing yards? It's Al Brady, the, the, uh, in the leader house.


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[Assistant] The other legends never had one. If I can bring it back to my own selfish lens here to say that Matt should be a good pick there, they might be down early and like throwing the hell out of the hall.


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[Assistant] Feels like 10 and 6. Now are they 10 and 6 or 10 and 7? Or is it 9 and 8? I know. I don't know. I know. It's gonna take a while. It is. It's gonna take a while to get used to. Definitely. So, do you have a favorite long shot before we move on to the next prompt? Let me see those, uh, just the rankings one more time.


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[Assistant] 14 to 1. A bet. So if you put 100 down, and next January he is the winner, are you going to buy your wife a new purse, or take like Pete, me, Christian, Matt, Casey, take us all, Ahmed, take us all to dinner. Yea, let's do that. Which one? Dinner?


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[Assistant] Hopefully that would get multiple horses. Okay, passing touchdowns again from our friends at PointsVet.


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[Assistant] Patrick Mahomes, three and a half to one. Brady, five to one. Rogers, eight to one and Josh Allen, nine and a half to one. What do you see here?


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[Assistant] You know who would be great for this segment is Kornacki. Oh. I mean he's doing the derby thing. Circle thing.


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[Assistant] Roll up the sleeves. He might be in the building at some point here soon. Favorite long shot.


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[Assistant] Long shot. Talked about some, uh, some guys that you think would count as favorites, but a long shot to have the most touchdown passes this year.


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[Assistant] Lamar Jackson plus 3500. And he led the NFL two years ago. I know. Isn't that crazy? He's not even on that list that we saw.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Baker at 15 to 1, Herbert is also 15 to 1, and he could have that thing I brought up about Matt Ryan too, where like, they might be down in some games and just throwing it, throwing it, throwing it. I know.


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[Assistant] There's a certain somebody who's plus 10,000, which sounds like a crazy number, but when you think about the system he's walking into, he's got some experience, it's not that crazy. 10,001.


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[Assistant] James Winston. No, it's not. Touchdown Passes.


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[Assistant] I was hoping you would mess up the one trick pony. My wife recently was using that and she called somebody a one, a one pony show.


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[Assistant] Okay, thank you. She said, I don't know what she said. She said something. Okay, so let's get back to the top 40 list Chris had for last season because we're, we're going to be focused on the top 10. Mahomes, Wilson, Rogers, Watson, Jackson, top five.


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[Assistant] That rounds out the top 10. So all, every, all the questions and answers here have to do with not your whole top 40, just your top 10.


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[Assistant] I found myself wanting to use like a lot of guys from 11 to 20, but we had laid out the ground rules. So I stayed within it, Pete, and I know you did too.


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[Assistant] Who is the highest draft pick who is still with his original team? Oh, highest draft pick.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, yeaah. Who'd you, uh, who'd you trip on?


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[Assistant] Yeah. Wow, that's hilarious. We had to stop down a taping of Path to the Drop because Adam Schefter had the news.


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[Assistant] That uh, that Jake Long was going to be number one. A long time ago. Many, many years ago. I had that slotted to be like 300, and you kind of knocked it out at 100, so you're off to a good start. Thank you. 200 points. Which quarterback in your top 5 threw double-digit interceptions?


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[Assistant] Struggling in the playoff game, but he had a better December. I think it was November.


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[Assistant] That hurt him. Alright, two for two. Two for two. Bringing us obviously to three hundred. Putting aside Dak Prescott, who was injured week five. Which of your top ten QBs threw for the fewest yards? Ooh. That's a good one there. Hmm. Ooh. Okay. Well...


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[Assistant] He was second fewest. He was second fewest. Carson Wentz.


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[Assistant] Is that your answer? Yes. Deshaun Watson. Gosh dang it. You were quick with that. I know. It was premature. Ah, damn it. Total premature.


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[Assistant] Well, that was Deshaun too, wasn't it? Deshaun started owing four.


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[Assistant] Tough finish. Horrible display. See. I think, you go ahead. Premature. Premature.


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[Assistant] I think he would have got Matt Ryan if he would have stayed silent for five seconds.


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[Assistant] Because you were right there with, with Carson Wentz and Matt Ryan. Wow. Well, you can't go five for five every time. No. Yeah. What's up? What else going on in life?


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[Assistant] I think that's, uh, I think we ran through it.


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[Assistant] You know what my sports life is outside of hanging out and talking football with you? I'm learning diving, okay, diving rules and athletes for the Olympic diving trials, water polo for the Olympics, I've got lacrosse in two weeks, and I've got cycling coming up. So like, I get in my Sims cocoon here for the NFL, it's just like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I did accidentally though end up down the rabbit hole today when I was playing around these quarterbacks things. I found a bunch of old school like YouTube clips and I spent about a half hour there. Oh and like what? Old school what? Old school the movie. Just oh the movie. Like the best, the best pocket


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[Assistant] I will show them the old school clips with the four letter words, because I think they find it funny, but it's not disturbing like your viewing with your kids. No, that's disturbing. I respect it, but I'm not quite there yet.


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[Assistant] Thursday, he opened up my eyes where he just said, I have no timetable in the decision. It was the first time he recognized there was a decision. He kind of been cam cam cam cam cam, and now all of a sudden it was like, no, there's actually, he's thinking about something here.


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[Assistant] Oh, he was thinking about something, alright. Yep, that's right. Cam opened the door with messing up mandates for COVID.


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[Assistant] Mac Jones took advantage of it. I don't know where it went from there. Listen, I did not think the New England Patriots would have the guts to start the rookie week one. It's just usually not in their DNA. But Mac Jones certainly I think has played well enough to give them the confidence or give me the confidence to go, hey, it's going to be fine. I'm not worried about that. I just didn't think they would do it.


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[Assistant] I am that, I didn't think about the element if they did do that, that they might not keep Cam. That's the one part of it where I'm like, damn, why didn't I think of that part? Because I know how much they are, anybody who listens to the pod or the PFT show, they're so into framing the team around the starting quarterback. They don't want


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[Assistant] You know, that chatter in the locker room about, ooh, that guy looked good today or the media questions or anything like that. So I'm, uh, I'm pissed that I didn't think of that angle, but nonetheless, that was the shocker of preseason to this point. Good to see you by the way. Hey, you're Paul Burmeister. I'm Chris Sims and this is Chris Sims on Biden. Well, welcome to the show.


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[Assistant] He's not really your prototypical, you know, I think he's a reps guy too. That would be the other thing I said. We've seen him fall out of rhythm throwing the football very quickly throughout his career. Not just last year.


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[Assistant] They're not the kind of team that wants to deal with that. They're not. And I, you know, I can give one personal experience and we're going to hit on a lot of this. We got good, good pod today.


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[Assistant] Over, unders, in the NFC. We got a bunch of AMAs. Big Phil's gonna come on. We're gonna talk a little Cam and Mack Jones with him. Uh, cause I think he's got some interesting points that, uh, I know I've heard him say over the last few days. But, you know, a little story, I think you might know this a little. 2008, Brady gets, hurts his knee. You know, the Bernard Pollard, low hip.


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[Assistant] They call me, right? As, I mean, the game's going on. The Patriots call me. I'm, I've just been released by the Bucks. I'm still not normal after my losing my spleen and injury and all those things. I'm getting close, but I'm not there yet.


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[Assistant] So, uh, they bring me in the next Monday. I go to New England, fly down there. I sit in the meeting room or the waiting room, whatever, for about an hour and a half. And I'm like, man, is, is anything ever going to happen here? Am I going to work out for them? Am I going to get the physical? And they kept, you know, Hey, we'll be with you in a minute, Chris. Sorry. Sorry for the wait. And then finally Scott Piolli came in and he just said, Hey, Chris, I'm really sorry.


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[Assistant] But we're not gonna go through with this. He's like, uh, I'm really sorry for wasting your time and all those things, but it basically explained to me that, you know,


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[Assistant] They didn't want to have to deal with, it's Matt Castle, he had a bad quarter.


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[Assistant] And, you know, I'm Chris Sims who's played in the league at that point. I know I'm no superstar or anything like that, but did play in a playoff game just a few years before that. And they didn't want to deal with that. They were going to go, you know, Matt Castle's good. We believe in him.


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[Assistant] We're gonna, you know, formulate an offense around him and go from there. And I really respect that about New England. It's something that really jumped out to me when I was with McDaniels in Denver and then even in, you know, in New England when I worked there for the short time.


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[Assistant] They brought me and Tim Rattay in that day. Hold on. I should know this. Hold on. I'm going to think of, man, I don't think it was Huard for some reason. I don't want to say. Pete's looking it up. You're looking it up, right Pete? He was, Damon was probably gone by then. Yeah. I don't think it was him either. I'm missing somebody here, but either way we'll look it up and he'll hit us up here in a second. Oh, it could have been, it could have been Kevin O'Connell. Would that have been his rookie?


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[Assistant] I thought about, yes, he still is with the Rams. He is the offensive coordinator and it was him. Rohan Davey, yes. Well that just tells you, he was there at some point, you know, and that's the one thing about New England, that's where people don't like, you know, yeah, we know they like smart guys who can do everything. They're a believer in throwers though.


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[Assistant] And Rohan Davey, even though he didn't have great accuracy, he had a mile and had an incredible arm. And those to me are the kind of guys you take a chance on late in the draft because you go, Oh, maybe we can make him something one day. Didn't work out, but, uh, either way, we got a good stuff coming. Let's go. Let's get it going.


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[Assistant] Andy's a genius on the offensive line. I mean, he's really been very rare throughout Andy's whole coaching history, whether it's Philadelphia or Kansas City, where the offensive line wasn't pretty damn good. He's one of those teams where it's like,


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[Assistant] We talk about the stealers when they get a receiver, you're like, oh, they must be onto something. They always seem to have a good receiver that they draft or whatever. Andy's another one where I'm going.


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[Assistant] I mean yeaah, I don't know this six round lineman or this undraft, but Andy's got an eye for it. He must be good. He must be good. It's a pass protecting offensive lineman. I would think so too. Yeaah, that's what they're going to do. But, you know, good. The Chiefs have made, of course, the offensive side so elite.


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[Assistant] That it changes the way teams play them, and we know the best player in football is Patrick Mahomes, where even if the Chiefs don't play well, or don't play their best, when Mahomes is protected, we still see them being able to pull out games because he's magical that way. So I think that's what it's about. Running the ball?


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[Assistant] Well, hey, this is something I brought up a bunch of times.


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[Assistant] I don't envision Kansas City getting into the running attack. I just want to know, alright, they're going to protect


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[Assistant] That's the thing I keep coming back to. Maybe more screens in the past game. You know, you've heard me say this since last year. There's got to be something else. All the football is going to take what the Bucs have done and these other teams where they go, you're going to throw deep or we're going to drop deep.


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[Assistant] What are they going to do to bring people up? But either way, the offensive line to me has really popped.


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[Assistant] Uh, watching them and I don't think Patrick, too many people are gonna get close to Patrick Mahomes this year.


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[Assistant] Totally realistic, but I don't think he looks at it and goes, it's crazy. Like, I mean, damn, they were going to go 15 and one last year if he played the last game, the starters played the last game of the year. You know, so it's not insane. I don't know about what this schedule this year, if I could get behind that. And you know, again, you've heard me say, Hey, the AFC is so stacked. It's so deep.


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[Assistant] It's four years in a row of the Chiefs going deep into the playoffs. You know, I'm, I'm expecting just a slight little slippage, like you heard me say the other day with the, with the Chiefs this year. Not like, it's still going to be one of the best teams in football. Sure. Just not like 15 and two or 14 and three.


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[Assistant] 12 and 5, you know, 12 and 5, 13 and 4, I mean, maybe 11 and 6, but they're going to be right in that range. Happy to see a Sam Donald question.


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[Assistant] Phenomenal in the last game. He looked good in the week before, even when he only threw two passes. Again, you guys know, if you're listening to the pod, I'm into the look.


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[Assistant] And just the look itself, two weeks ago, I mean, man, he looks quick. The ball's popping out of his hands. You could tell he's got confidence in his game. He's got answers at his disposal mentally against schemes and things like that. He was great in the game the other night.


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[Assistant] He was, you know, Steelers are not the easiest team to play in the preseason because you're going to get some crazy defenses and things that you might not get from your own defense. But I, again, I just think he made a few plays moving around in the pocket. And then again, as anybody has ever listened to me, Sam Darnold for me from five to 20 yards.


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[Assistant] It's that offense. It's the West Coast offense, right? It's the Joe Brady-Joe Burrow offense from LSU. And when you break them down, you make the point. First off, three-hitted monster wide receiver in Carolina.


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[Assistant] That's more like the Sam Darnold we thought we were gonna see in the draft, and as I always go back to.


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[Assistant] You know, hey, Robbie Anderson didn't look that great with the Jets either. Nobody looks good with the Jets over the last five or six years. When you're around shit, you're gonna smell like shit and be shitty at times. That's just the plain and simple fact of it. And I think my dad's here. Nice of you to swear three times as the old man steps on the line.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and, and you know, dad, I did too, like, I mean, dad and I, we like


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[Assistant] The new culture with the Jets and all that. But, I mean, damn, I mean, all the injuries they've had, new pieces, young guys, all that, how can you expect too much again this year? And he's right, like everybody would blame San Darnold. Instead, we can just go, hey Jets, just, you got something with Zach Wilson, we've seen enough already.


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[Assistant] Don't Joe burrow him and put too much on him and put him in dangerous way and all that and uh, we'll, we'll see where it goes. That should be their number one goal with the Jets this year is just protect him, make sure he looks


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[Assistant] I told Paul a few minutes ago, I was mad that I didn't think about if they named Mac Jones that they might cut Cam Newton. You know, just because...


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[Assistant] I know how much they are into framing the team. I told the story about me going up to New England when I got hurt. You know, and then they were like, no, we're just going to let Matt Castle be the guy. We don't want to have to deal with, you know, the quarterback conversation all the time.


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[Assistant] They're very into that. I'm, I'm pissed that I didn't think of that. I really am because they are just so into that. They don't want those distractions. And like dad said, that's where they're going, going all in dad. Yeah, go ahead.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm with you. I respected it too, even though it was not in my favor. I really respect. I was like, damn, these guys are on another level. I mean, this is the kind of guy I want to play quarterback for him, right? I mean, he's just going to no distractions. You're the guy. Let's go. All right. Now it's time.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's where I, that's where I thought they would start, Ken. That's a back, back to that logic there. You know, definitely. And dad made a point to me the other day about the cam Mac thing that really like stood out to me where I was like, damn Chris, why didn't you think of that? Cause I was always like,


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[Assistant] Why Cam can bring that element to the run game, right? To really accentuate that this is an unbelievable run blocking offensive line. I mean, they're one of those teams like we saw last year where it was like, well, we know they can't throw it, but they're still run for 180 yards in the game.


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[Assistant] Dad goes, you know, I think we gotta stop worrying about, you know, some of those plays we're gonna miss in the run game and realize all the plays they're gonna gain in the pass game around Mac Jones. And when he said that to me, I went,


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[Assistant] That's the point. And then Cam opened the door like dad said last week, Mac took advantage of it. I really still don't think this was going that way until Cam messed this up. I do. I mean, you know, Belichick's comments changed in that time.


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[Assistant] You know, we played it in the opening. He made two comments that basically said, no, there's a, there's a competition all of a sudden where it was nothing to do with that. So when dad made that point, and I know you kind of just said it,


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[Assistant] Yes, that brings Josh McDaniels back into the fold more to where it's now all his genius in the pass game and everything he can do. Yea, Mack is certainly more capable in Cam in that.


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[Assistant] I mean, Dad will know this better than I do. They're always assessing.


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[Assistant] They're always assessing. You know? I mean, back to Bledsoe and Brady. Bledsoe does some things that maybe Brady can't, but Brady has these other elements that he can do and damn, let's just stay with them. And whatever. They don't ever stop that.


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[Assistant] You know, that's why they haven't been afraid, like, you know, to cut players that are popular up there, that are coming down to the end, change game plans on a week-to-week basis. You know, I mean, again, that's another thing that's not afraid, too. We played this way.


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[Assistant] It was this way one week and then most teams would be like, well we can't do that way the next week. That's crazy. We haven't practiced that. And they're like, no, screw you. We can. We're going to coach it and we're going to play a different way next week. And that's where they're the New England Patriots.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they, they stress that. They're, they're the machines of, hey, the quarterback's gonna be six and a half yards behind the football. That's where he's gonna be. And,


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[Assistant] You know, they're famous because they want to push the pocket because they know that disrupts the quarterback. Well, they don't want that to happen to their own quarterback. And they always used to use the phrase like, Hey, we're going to keep it up from, we're going to push the guys around you and you'll be able to step up in the pocket and it's going to be like seven on seven.


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[Assistant] You know, you're not gonna worry much about people around you and all that. And then when they used to say that a big, man, that makes a lot of sense, no doubt. Dad brought up a good point there. Go ahead, what do you wanna go with next?


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[Assistant] That's definitely true. I agree with that point all the way. I agree with him that Atlanta would be the better fit. What? We just saw New England didn't like to put Cam Newton in the shotgun with three receivers, four receivers, empty set. So now he's going to go to Dallas where we know that's what they're going to do. I mean, they're, they're hinging on.


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[Assistant] I don't think they'd want to deal with that. I think they're kind of into like, no, no, this is our quarterback. We're framing the team. I don't think they want to deal with those. They got enough shit going on up there.


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[Assistant] I mean, they just signed them all out. They don't need one more layer of it. Dwayne Brown wants more money. I mean, Quandre Diggs at safety sitting out right now because he wants more money. I mean, they don't need to bring that upon themselves right now. Listen, as I said here, the only team, I don't know if there's any


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[Assistant] You need to be talked into it, if you guys think so. I can, I am all over the, I mean, I think, I don't see that happening.


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[Assistant] If I'm him, I'd probably want to wait for an injury. If you told me Cam Newton never plays in the NFL ever again, I might go, eh, he may be. I don't know. I don't know where this is. He's certainly not going to overwhelm people with great film from the last few years. So that's going to be an issue. I have thought of Baltimore. Baltimore is the one team where I go,


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[Assistant] Hey, they're good. You know, I think they could handle the personality. The offense might fit him a little bit. Uh, but, but I still don't even feel great about that. I don't know. Dad, you got any other thoughts there?


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[Assistant] Yeah, to dad's point, like if you ever see Rogers, Mahomes, they gotta throw like a little fade in the back of the end zone. They're on the seven or eight yard line. They don't let their arm get longer and go.


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[Assistant] I don't disagree with him. And yeah, hey listen, just to dad's point about like decision making and stuff, there's, there's, I could take probably three, four, five pass plays just in the, in preseason football where I went, ooh, that was open.


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[Assistant] And the pocket's okay. He just didn't trust it to cut it loose because he had lost a few balls before that. And then that's what some of the snaps you've seen him hold the ball too long or take a sack and some of that. I go, Oh, there's somebody open.


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[Assistant] But he's thrown two errand balls before that and he's just going, I don't know if I trust myself right now. And that is a real thing. It affects your decisions. Dad talks about it all the time. It's 100% real.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and he's gonna get a lot of single safety defenses because they're worried about the quarterback run and he's gonna be able to throw those routes dad's talking about. Out routes, comebacks, oh the guy's impressed, let me just throw a go down the sidelines. That was his best stuff in college and hopefully Kyle realizes that and maybe builds on that a little bit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think so. He was. I mean, I know Trent Williams wasn't out there. I think that's the only one he got the first team offensive line, but no, I don't worry about that part with Trey Lance. To me, it's just what we're talking about. You know, yeah, of course the first team O line and


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[Assistant] You know, the run game gets going and dad, like he's saying, yeah, he's going to look better because his ability to run and all of those types of things, but the issues are the throwing, right? That's all it is. It's just got to, he needs more polish control on the ball. Like dad's saying, learn how to spin the ball and throw some better spirals. That's a real thing. I mean, I don't know. I mean, uh,


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[Assistant] Just, you don't want to catch a cement block coming at you.


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[Assistant] Brady's arm is an all-time arm. It's not okay Rogers or Brett Favre or Dan Marino in his prime.


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[Assistant] But the next list of group of great throwers to me is Tom Brady. And if you saw, you know, he's so long, he's got long arms and big hands. So it doesn't look like he has to try hard to throw it hard. And I think that tricks people, but I know being on the field against him.


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[Assistant] It's piss missile after piss missile. And then, and being in New England, he did get off. He'd come out some days early in praxis and be throwing rifles and he'd be talking crap to the receivers. You ready for that? Can you catch that? I mean, so to dad's point, he does, and he's so much more of a talented thrower than people realize. He went through a funk.


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[Assistant] And like 10, 11, 12, 13 where he got into this, I'm going to put my arm high and do all this and throw it straight. And that's where I started to go. He's not a top five quarterback anymore. He couldn't throw the ball over 10 yards. Everything was all over the place.


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[Assistant] But he fixed it, and you know, he's just, he's a machine. He's back into like, Roger's Josh Allen Mahomes mode where I go, I don't know, too many people that throw better than that guy.


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[Assistant] He wasn't out there just winging it. He had like 9 different coaches and was all over it all the time.


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[Assistant] Dad's got a few, dad's got two kids that he showed me who... Awesome. I mean, they can throw, I mean, it's just like, man, is there gonna be...


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[Assistant] Is there going to be 15 guys in the NFL in like 10 years with Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes type arms? Wow. Yes. I mean, it's just where it's going. He shows them the throws they do. They teach all these awkward throws and you just go, Holy cow. I mean, there's only a few people I feel like in the NFL that could do that right now and they're, they're doing it.


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[Assistant] Alright, yeah, I can't, I can't jump on it yet. I just not, I, I haven't seen Dak. Not convinced with Dak. I just, that, the defense, it just, I gotta see some more evidence of it. You know, there, to me, there was nothing


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[Assistant] You know, that points yet to where I'm just going to go, Oh, I mean, then we're going to be exciting. I think they can put up some points. You know, I love Dak, but I don't know if he's going to be a hundred percent Dak. So that's the biggest thing. That's the biggest thing. I think is that just the shoulder, even the foot still, can he move quite the way he wants?


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[Assistant] And then of course, I know Dan Quinn's there and the defense is gonna be better, but like, I'm not like, oh no.


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[Assistant] Watch out, Dallas' defense is totally gonna turn it around. I mean, there's nobody in the secondary I love.


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[Assistant] The defense aligns solid, but I don't look at it and go, oh wow.


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[Assistant] I mean, maybe Demarcus Lawrence can jump back on the scene and be the guy he was maybe two or three years ago.


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[Assistant] Uh, the linebackers are the one part of the defense where I go, ooh, they could be Vander Esch and Michael Parsons and Can O'Neil down there in the second level. That could be special. But I just, yeaah, I gotta see more first before I buy into that. I just can't, I can't jump on that wagon yet. Make me feel bad for taking you over there right out of the gate. That's good.


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[Assistant] Agreed, you know. And not to say that I think this is going to be like, oh, a 14-3 football team or anything like that, but I do think that their roster, 10 wins, 7 losses,


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[Assistant] I think Fitzpatrick is as good now or better than he's ever been really. And the receiving corps is better than it was last year. Exactly right. Pretty good offensive line. Antonio Gibson's a good running back. You know, they get the Davis kid at the first round of linebacker, they needed that. You said it. I mean the D-Lines, it's as good as, anybody in football?


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[Assistant] Prove the secondary a little. Landon Collins should be healthy. They got, you know, my guy, um, William Jackson from Cincinnati. So, I, I look at them and just go...


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, again, I don't know if they're going to be a one or a two seed, but I think they're a playoff football team and I like Scott Turner's offense and now he has the proper weapons around it. I just, I think they're a team that's, you know, going to have a say in things here when it's all said and done. They go nine and eight, you win.


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[Assistant] What I was feeling, and this is one of them. Yeah, I'm with you. I don't know, I mean, the NFC was easier than the AFC.


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[Assistant] They're a push to slightly under type of team for me, right? I took the under. Yeaah. I mean, if you're gonna make me take one, I'm probably gonna take the under as well. I don't like it. You know, if I felt better about the offensive line, I'd probably go, I think I might take the over. Listen, I'm a little skewed here. Yeaah, I'm a Giants fan, I'm a believer in Joe Judge.


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[Assistant] I'm, I, I still, I think Daniel Jones can still be your starting quarterback and be your franchise. You know, the defense, you know, they're big up front. Nobody's gonna overpower them. I mean, Patrick Graham's a really good defense of mine. They got a decent little secondary, but I just think overall,


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[Assistant] You know, yes, the, the, the offensive line last week was embarrassing. And the reason you didn't see Daniel Jones in the first two preseason games from everything that I know is because they were scared to put him out there behind that offensive line. And I get that. Hey, and everybody too. Just why we're on the Giants. Like,


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[Assistant] Listen, I know Daniel Jones isn't Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen or any of those guys, but like not every problem is Daniel Jones.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm not gonna go there yet. I'm not. I can't say that. You know, again, with Jason Garrett, let's take this into account. Alright? You know, first off...


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[Assistant] His, all the things we talk about positively with Dak, oh, he won all these games and did all this. They were all under Jason Garrett. But no one wants to give Jason Garrett the credit for that. They give it to Dak Prescott. Which kind of annoys me. Last year, listen, I know the offense looked underwhelming.


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[Assistant] So, let's be more conservative. Let's protect this offensive lineman. Let's do that. That's how they beat teams like Seattle and almost beat the Bucs at the end of the year. They managed the game the right way. Right. They didn't go, well Jason, we just want you to throw for 5,000 yards every game. Yeah, well if they did that, they would have been blown out in some games last year.


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[Assistant] So they, he played to what Joe Judge's vision of the team was. He has some more weapons to play with this year. I would be shocked if the offense is not better. But the offensive line personnel...


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[Assistant] To me is an issue. And Andrew Thomas, the way he looked in the game the other night?


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[Assistant] I mean come on, that's where I want the New York media killin' Daniel Jones on Monday. I'm gonna go like...


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[Assistant] He's supposed to block the left defense end now, and throw the ball. He's that good.


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[Assistant] They want him to block the left defense end and throw the ball. I mean, he had no chance. He throws an interception, right? And I think we got some pictures here to show this, right?


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[Assistant] He throws an interception to Evan Ingram and now they're gonna run a little run fake to the right and they're gonna boot, uh, run fake to the left and they're gonna boot back to the right. You see Evan Ingram right now, he's at the top of the screen. Now, let's go to the next picture here.


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[Assistant] Okay, so now we got the play. Alright, and you see they've, uh, we got the good old backside tenon running the corner route. He's got, uh, the crossing route at the top, but you see Evan Ingram right down here on the hash, right?


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[Assistant] Okay, now, I'm not totally excusing Daniel Jones from this.


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[Assistant] Evan Ingram does him absolutely no favors here, and runs the wrong route, and 88 is Evan Ingram, he's right there on the three yard line right next to the hash in case anybody can't see him. Hopefully you're watching on YouTube and you don't have to listen to me explain this too thoroughly. Now, let's go to the next picture. Evan Ingram screws him first off.


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[Assistant] You know, he screws him. He goes, as you see right now, his route is supposed to be flat down the line. Just flat down the line.


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[Assistant] Okay, and I know like, yeaah, okay, I know he's not gonna be open if he goes down flat down the line, but the other thing that might happen if he goes flat down the line too, is Daniel Jones can maybe, as Evan Ingram comes down the goal line towards the pylon, maybe he has the chance to turn the corner and run and do something like that. But Evan Ingram


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[Assistant] Fades into the, into the end zone. So let's go to the next picture.


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[Assistant] And, within that, he's doing it like, sit down! Stop! Right there! Stop!


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[Assistant] You're gonna get the ball. That's what he's expecting him to do right here. This is why he throws the ball the way he does. He's thinking like, wait, there's a guy out in front of you, gear down, give me your chest, and we've done this a million times at practice. For some reason, Evan Ingram continued to float into the end zone. Now he's five yards deep in the end zone.


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[Assistant] Daniel Jones throws him a ball thinking he's gonna slow down and stop. It ends up being behind him. Yeah, okay, we can blame Daniel Jones and go, hey, don't let one mistake become two mistakes and those type of things. See, I just said it, there we go.


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[Assistant] He was anticipating the guy to stop, sit there, and I'll hit you right in the chest and it would have been a touchdown.


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[Assistant] So he was getting ready to release and Evan Ingram made it look like he was gonna kinda gear down.


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[Assistant] And then all of a sudden decided to keep going and kept drifting. And it's just, hey, it's an example of, let's not blame everything on the quarterback. You know, and I know it's, we're going to blame him a lot, but man, there's other issues there right now with the Giants and, uh, we'll see where this goes. But I just, man, the criticism is so harsh of Daniel Jones up right up here right now. And that does bother me.


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[Assistant] I don't think we're gonna see like a 4 and 13 type year. I could see, I'm gonna go 5, 6 wins, I think that's about right. But to win this bet, they would have to go 8 and 9. No way do I see that happening. Right. At least I gotta, I gotta see it to believe it, that's one of those. I will say this.


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[Assistant] If there's one positive about the Eagles, okay, it is that they are, they have a chance to have an unbelievable dominant offensive line.


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[Assistant] Where I look at that and go, okay, that gives them a little bit of a fighting chance. It's a good place to start. It is a good place to start. And then on the defensive line, the same thing. Where I go, man, there's a lot of good, big people. They got some decent edge guys.


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[Assistant] You know, they're never going to be in a game where you're going to look at and go, the Eagles are just going to get plowed. They're going to get plowed and overrun. So that gives them a fighting chance to maybe where we're both wrong.


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[Assistant] But again, I gotta see it. Nick Sirianni, new head coach, Jaylen Hurts. How much has he developed as a thrower? He only played 10 plays in the preseason. So I gotta see some of that before I'm jumping on the over there.


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[Assistant] Well, to his point, first off, that's why the Eagles are involved in the Deshaun Watson conversation. They understand that their room's a little underwhelming. Hey, I'm excited to see Jalen Hurts. You know, just from the 10 plays I did see, I was wrong to not have him in the top 40, just from those 10 plays. Let's just see where it goes from there. But, and Nick Sirianni, along with Shane Steichen,


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[Assistant] Hey, I, I mean, I still think Chargers made a mistake letting Shane Steichen out the door. So I look at those two and I go, oh, there's some creativity there.


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[Assistant] To where, you know, Jaylen Hurts, he's gonna be better in games than he is in practice, cause he's just not the machine throwing, but he looked pretty good in the throws I saw. We know he can run, we just talked about that O-line. That's where I give them a fighting chance when I'm going under.


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[Assistant] I mean, to me, this is one of those that we were just talking about, where you're just like, what? Over. Like, I'm, yes. I mean, I am too. Not a whole lot else to say about it. The other thing is, over people making too much of a deal about the off-season crap, like, that's over with. That doesn't matter. Rodgers doesn't care anymore. You know, he's probably like,


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[Assistant] Pretty good weapons, a pretty good system. I think the defense has a chance to be better under Joe Barry. Uh, I certainly don't expect a drop off, and here's my other big point. Okay, cause we're gonna sit here and talk about this.


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[Assistant] Who the hell in the NFC North do you think is going to be that scary? That you think like, oh no, Green Bay might not win. I mean, I look at the NFC North and almost go, that's six wins for the Packers, and let's move on to the rest of the schedule. I mean, that's almost how you think about it. I know that's not realistic, but I just go, Minnesota right now? Yea, so let's go. Keep going.


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[Assistant] I, I, I just, I don't see it. I don't. Now I know Dalvin Cook didn't play in the preseason. Maybe their offensive line's a little bit better.


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[Assistant] But it's an, it's Clint Kubiak, a new offensive coordinator.


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[Assistant] The defense got a little better, but I don't know if it got that much better.


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[Assistant] That's another one where I just looked at it and I was like, what? I'm going under here without even thinking. Like, it's not even gonna cross my mind.


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[Assistant] I-I-I don't know where to go with the- I mean, I've literally- Talk me through it.


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[Assistant] Don't know what to expect from the offense. The Justin Fields situation. I don't like the way the defense looked in the preseason.


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[Assistant] I don't. You know, I don't think they're gonna be better. Not to disrespect Sean Desai at all. Cause I think, I know he's a good coach.


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[Assistant] He's gonna put his stamp on things, all that. You lost Kyle Fuller at corner. Hey, Khalil Mack, we know he's real good. Is he a superstar? I don't think so. I mean, sacks make you a superstar. He's awesome against a run and gets a good amount of sacks. Akeem Hicks, a little older.


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[Assistant] I, I, I lend to go under here. I'm looking at like, I think seven and ten is how I look at it.


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[Assistant] No, I went under though. I went, I just, it's another one where the roster doesn't pop to me. Jared Goff's the quarterback.


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[Assistant] Defense, you know, I like the coaching staff, but I think they're in a total transition period here of leaving the Matt, Patricia, you know, vision of their football team. And the other thing that just, you know, stinks for them is the start of their schedule.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, until the Bengals in Week 6, I don't, there's not a team that they play that they're better than. That they should win. Right. Like, so, yeaah, I just think this is a year where...


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[Assistant] Hey, let's set the culture. Let's get started. Some of the pieces that we know are going to make us better for the future.


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[Assistant] And just work on that, and if we go 4 and 13, then so what? Who cares? I mean, nobody's expecting anything from them this year, but there's just too many questions across the board about them for me, uh, and I'll, I'll go under, you know, and again, I, I got


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[Assistant] Dan Campbell, maybe he's gonna be worth a few more wins with his motivation and physicality and things like that. Aaron Glenn, first time defensive coordinator. You know, Anthony Lennon, offensive coordinator. I gotta see what his pass game's gonna look like. I know he might be good in the run game, what's the pass game gonna look like?


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[Assistant] There's just too many things that jump out to me where I just go, uh, I don't know. So I'm gonna go under here.


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[Assistant] It's the exact same. It's the exact same. I mean, it's young talent too. It's not like a bunch of old guys that they kept that are the exact same. It's like, no, it's, yeah, there's a few old guys, Brady and Antonio Brown and Gronkowski. After that, it's all a bunch of guys that are still like going on the up and up in their career. You know, maybe other than Levante David too. Like, but, but like, I, I just think they're so clearly


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[Assistant] You know, it's just, I just look at them and go, they're gonna be able to do whatever they want on offense. Right? If they can protect him, and now he seems more, and you know, you read things down there, he's definitely more comfortable in the offense. He's not like thinking as he walks the line of scrimmage, I've seen him say it, I've heard Bruce Arians say that.


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[Assistant] You know, if they want to run the ball, they got a mean, nasty offensive line. I mean, they got like two run plays and they're just like, uh, screw you. Stop it. Right. And then you can't. So yeah, I'm going over there. I'm expecting, you know, number one seed type of stuff from the


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[Assistant] They're like, so right now we got, it looks like they're gonna be away from New Orleans for a month. That makes me like, oh damn, that's a lot to deal with. I think they're a playoff team.


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[Assistant] Well, there's going to be an upgrade as far as maybe the openness of the offense because Jameis can push the ball down the field and do those type of things.


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[Assistant] That, that's, that is definitely going to be a factor.


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[Assistant] No Michael Thomas, I guess I want to see more Jameis first. You know, like, again, I'm picking to be playoffs, but I kind of went to the barely over. Barely over. The barely over conversation here. So you wrote it in all undercase, in parentheses. Well, yes, you know,


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[Assistant] They, they gotta, uh, uh, they gotta play the AFC East.


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[Assistant] You know, that's a good, of course, a good, good group. They gotta play a first place schedule as far as the rest of the NFC.


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[Assistant] I got so much faith in Sean Payton, I really do, but, uh, you know. You're trying to talk yourself out of the open?


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[Assistant] No, no, I'm doing over all the way. I just, I, I, I don't know why. I just can't jump on to like, oh, I think they're going to be 13 and four or I just feel like they might lose a few games this year with Jameis maybe taking a few chances here and there. No Michael Thomas. I guess those are the things that are kind of, uh, bothering me to a degree, but I still, still think they're an NFL, an NFC, NFC playoff team.


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[Assistant] I mean, what a great advantage, first off, for Green Bay, that you don't have to go to the Superdome and deal with that crowd to open the season. It could be 110 degrees though. It could be, yea, I know. Yea, I hear what you're saying. You know, that's just, that's, it's advantage packers that they get this opportunity and it's one less game in a hostile environment, which we know can be like the most hostile environment. Right.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I like the Saints. I still think they could be a, if they get it wrong, could be a pain in the butt in the playoffs. Like Marcus Davenport looked better coming off the edge. They still the same things hold true. Yeah, it's Sean Payton, Kamara, the offensive line is one of the best in football.


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[Assistant] I guess I'm just going, man, how many years can they win the NFC West and just be awesome? I mean, NFC South and be dominant like that. So yeah, I'm just going over like 10 and seven. I guess is kind of what I'm thinking for the same time.


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[Assistant] I am too. I mean, I'm picking the Carolina Panthers to go to the playoffs.


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[Assistant] 100%. So, uh, you have three playoff teams in the NFC South? I do. I'm going three playoff teams in the NFC South for sure. They're just one of those teams where, again, we see it every year, right? I mean, a third of the playoff teams fall out of the playoffs the next year and we get four or five new teams. Caroline is the team I'm going with to do that. And I also look at it and go, uhm, to me, for teams like this,


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[Assistant] The start of the schedule is important. Gain a little confidence and things like that. They're gonna get the Jets at home. They're better than them. They got the Saints. Okay, we know that'll be tough. But then the Houston Texans, the Cowboys, the Eagles, the Vikings, the Giants, the Falcons, those are all their next games where I go,


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[Assistant] You know, even if they're not hitting on all cylinders yet and everything like that, those are games they can win. And I think their rosters are more talented.


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[Assistant] All of those teams there that we just mentioned, other than the Saints. So, yes, I'm a believer in Donald, I'm a believer in Matt Rule, and I'm a believer in just what I've seen so far. Uhm, you know, just like I talked to Miami and things like that, just the look of the football team, they got it all. Now they just gotta kinda get the confidence and go out there and do it, and I'm gonna bet


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[Assistant] I mean, I saw, but it was like 7, was it 7 and a half? Yea, that's too high for me. I don't even know where you can get that.


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[Assistant] What does, what does everybody look at to go though? Or is it just Arthur Smith? You know, again, Arthur Smith, like, I don't think that team's quite where they need it to be to capitalize on the way he wants to play yet either.


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[Assistant] You know, defensively, there's not a ton that jumps out at me.


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[Assistant] You know, Dean Pease, it's a new system for that group down there. They've been running that Dan Quinn Seattle scheme. And playing against three playoff teams. Exactly. In their division. Exactly right. So that's what, that's what, you know, scares me. I don't think that offensive line is set up to just open up holes like for like, uh, for Mike Davis, like Derek Henry had.


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[Assistant] And, uh, I love Calvin Ridley. Matt Ryan's still really good. Pitts will be really good, but yeah, tough division. And I just don't see enough talent overall in the whole roster for me to sit here and go, oh yeah, no, this is a bounce back year for the Atlanta Falcons.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it's a thin football team that we've talked about that's always on the cusp of, like, for me, like, just dangling on the edge of, like, man, two injuries and you guys are screwed. You're not gonna be the same team. They got the running back injury thing going on. The running back injury thing too, right? So I think that's what we're probably talking about when we hit on the Rams.


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[Assistant] So, I mean, again, I'm gonna go with the over, but I think it's like an 11 and 6 type of over.


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[Assistant] Uh, I do think Raheem Morris on the defensive side will be great.


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[Assistant] Uh, that's awesome. You know, the NFC West, they got the AFC South, right? So they got, and we know they can beat the Texans and the Jags, the Colts and the Titans will be tough. They got the NFC North, which is very favorable to them, and we just hit on it. We really look at, only Green Bay is the real, real team there, but it is. It's their own division. Their 17th game happened to be the Ravens too, which was a bad draw for them. Um, but yeaah, uh, overall, yeaah, I just think it's


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[Assistant] You know, 6 and 10 last year, let's not forget how many times we went, man, if they didn't mess this game up, they should have won this, they had all these injuries, everything like that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yep. So, I mean, yeah, we'll see where all that goes. Here's the, the first thing I'll say, you got the lions and eagles out of the gate where I just go, okay, that's a nice setup to get things going back.


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[Assistant] Man, they're, they're, they're, they're talented on both sides of the ball. And then, you know, yeah, the Trey Lance aspect, Shanahan's offense in general, I just, as long as it stays healthy, I don't give a damn if it's Jimmy G or Trey Lance. I still think it's going to be dangerous. And defensively,


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[Assistant] I worry about their corner still to a degree. Cause there's nobody there that I look at to just go, man, if they got to play man to man in a big spot, they're going to be able to do it. They'll be okay. They got nobody there in that department.


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[Assistant] They're going to rely on their pass rush to save that, that aspect. And when you get a healthy D forward with Bosa and Eric Armstead and just, they have depth behind it, you know, their linebackers are really good. Uh, so yes, I'm, I'm going over here, not like super over.


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[Assistant] 11 wins kinda season yeaah. I'm, I'm, I'm gonna bet on the 49ers winning the division and going at like 11 and 6 right in there. I'm with you there. Or maybe 12 and 5 if they get a lucky bounce of the ball here and there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's going to keep him on his P's and Q's for sure. And it sounds like it already has through training camp. I mean, that's all they talked about. I don't think that was like trade bait or BS or anything like that. I think he literally has had one of the better camps he's had since he's been there and they're excited


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[Assistant] We talked about with dad, the Dwayne Brown situation, the, you know, okay, we got the Jamal Adams thing to figure out, Quandre Diggs, he doesn't want, he wants more money right now, which he deserves it. I understand what he's saying there. Cover corners, who? Who? You know, defensive line, front seven. Okay, Bobby Wagner.


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[Assistant] And Bobby Wagner's still real good? Is he great anymore? To me, not.


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[Assistant] But like on the front, the defensive line, I look at it and go, eh, there's pretty good depth, but like who's, who's the guy? Who's the difference maker? Who are you scared of on there? I guess that's where I kind of came down to it a little bit.


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[Assistant] No, he's, he is the reason I'm scared as hell for this. I mean, he's the magic man.


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[Assistant] I mean, just, how many games have they won? Like you said, that's why they're always around that.


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[Assistant] Cause it's like, oh, they didn't play their best today, but they kept it within one score with three minutes left and Russell got the ball and you lost. Right. They didn't, they shouldn't have, you outplayed them. But they won. But you let them hang around and you let Russell have the ball last and you lost. And that's where they're scary. I am going Seattle, no playoffs this year.


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[Assistant] That is my team that I think falls out. Yeaah. Nine and eight, right. Like they're one of those teams that's going to come down the last two weeks of the year. How does it play out? And, uh, that's the one team I got, you know, from in last year to the outside looking this year. Like Bill Belichick with cutting quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] Nope, they gotta prove it to me. I do love that Chandler Jones is gonna be back. My big question is everything we talked about last year.


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[Assistant] Can the offense be more diverse? Exactly. Bring more to the table. We can't just line up in four wides and think this is the big 12 anymore. That's just not gonna get it done. Yep. Kyler gotta be a little better like we talked about a few weeks ago on third downs. You know, defensively,


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[Assistant] I love the middle linebackers, those two super freaks in the middle, David Collins and Isaiah Simmons. You know, I love Buddha Baker.


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[Assistant] Malcolm Butler sounds like he's going to retire and some sort of personal issue fan. I don't know what it is. It's something personal, right? You know, they're not like, I don't look at them already and go, well, they got great cover corners. That's a, that's a weakness of their football team. I like Vance Joseph. He's creative on that side of the ball, but in that division.


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[Assistant] And everything else you take along with it, yeaah, I'm going under there.


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[Assistant] I think that's fair. I mean, I definitely think that's going to be real chatter and that's going to be the conversation. If they're out of the conversation in December, like you're talking about, or don't make it, or if it just looks like, man, Kyler hasn't progressed at all.


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[Assistant] It just, it looks like the same type of stuff we saw the first few years where yeaah, Kyler's gonna make plays, I know that. He's a, he's like, he's a freak. He flies, I mean he can run, he can do all those type of things, so he's gonna be a pain in the butt. But as we've seen like, in both years, as the seasons gone along,


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[Assistant] They're too predictable. Teams catch up to everything they do and they know exactly how they're going to be attacked from that Cardinals offense. And I guess that's what, what


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[Assistant] I mean, I don't care who it is. I mean, the Goat, Brady, they helped the quarterback in Tampa, in New England, like we've talked about. Even Rodgers. You know, I don't care. Like, yeaah. Mike McCarthy's offense wasn't good enough. They needed something else. He needed a little help. Right. It just doesn't matter.


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[Assistant] You know, Josh Allen, he's awesome. He needs some help. Yeah, they got a great system. He's going to be okay. You know, same with, you know, my homes and all that.


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[Assistant] So it's just, it's, it's, it's a, I hate the, oh, the quarterback, the quarterback, the quarterback. It's like back to our Lamar Jackson thing. No, it's on you coaches. You guys are making millions of dollars too.


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[Assistant] You gotta play to their strengths and adjust the game plan accordingly. And that's what really good teams do. Oh, Drew Brees can't throw at 50 yards in a line anymore. Okay, we'll come up with 75,000 different ways to throw at 5 and 10 yards. And we'll still make the playoffs. And we'll still make the playoffs and win the football game.


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[Assistant] Tom Brady like we talked about the other day. They can't do three step game or boots. Doesn't matter. We're going to formulate a bunch of plays where he can stand in the pocket and pick you apart because that's what he's the best at. And that's what good coaches do.


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[Assistant] And, uh, I think with some of these other ones where we question the quarterback and those type of things.


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[Assistant] When we question the quarterback and all those other conversations around it, I just want to go, no, we need to question a lot of things around it. You stop putting these guys on the pedestal like they're all superman and they're supposed to just overcome every little obstacle they got. There it is.


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[Assistant] There it is. All right. I mean, so I mean, you know, we're going to be doing like playoff prediction, Superbowl predictions next week. Unfortunately, you will not be there. It's Tuesday. You're not in. Are you in Tuesday?


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[Assistant] We'll figure it out. We will not be back on Monday. It's Labor Day. We know that. Okay, so Tuesday will be the podcast. Tuesday afternoon, I'm flying to Tampa. Thursday night.


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[Assistant] They, they really always were great to me, but I'm excited to go back there. We're going to be on site there. We'll do, uh, uh, the PFT Chris Sims on button picks galore podcast with Florio on that Friday morning there. Um, but yeah, I think Tuesday, right Pete, we're going to do the playoff.


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[Assistant] The playoff tree. And as you see, in the NFC, I got Washington, Green Bay, Buck Saints, Panthers, Rams 49ers. That's my NFC playoffs right there. Now I just got to figure out how I want to seed them and who I want to go to the