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[Assistant] It's all about fit, right, with any position. He sounds like the kind of guy, if you can get him in the middle rounds, if you can trust him in pass protection, he can get 6, 8, 10 carries a game if there's someone, if he's kind of the 1A or the 2 to someone who has more of a well-rounded game.


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[Assistant] You mentioned Alabama, makes me want to get to your number four guy. Yeaah. It's kind of a surprise. I know. That he's here. So, Najee Harris of the Crimson Side, before we talk about him, it's 62230. It's a lot of running back.


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[Assistant] Take a listen to what he had to say after that Crimson Tide won the national championship.


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[Assistant] Love that one. A lot of personality there. I got to interact with him when he's in high school. And uh, you interact with him, you certainly walk away with an opinion.


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[Assistant] Yes. Most of the time you see them at one or two. I know. So let's start with why maybe you have them a little lower than a lot of the others.


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[Assistant] It's a lot. It's for over 10 yards per catch, which I really like. A lot of times running backs 6 yards per catch. It's the check down and they fall down. He's getting double digits.


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[Assistant] You described him as a difficult eval. I think it's a difficult reaction for a lot of people to get through. Like, if you're a big Alabama fan, or if you're a big believer in Najee Harrison, you think the Steelers should take him there in the mid-20s.


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[Assistant] They're gonna be disappointed, but what you said is this is a quality NFL back. Yeaah. He's worth a second or third round pick. Right. He's gonna find success, but because of all the success attached to him in college, having him at four for a lot of people is gonna be like, Sims doesn't like my guy.


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[Assistant] And he's someone that you must have got onto a little bit later in this process because on your initial list I didn't see him. I would have gone back to my board from Notre Dame against Louisville because I know he was a headache for Clark Lee and Brian Kelley. They were concerned about him. I don't have the specifics but he certainly had their attention in each of the last two years.


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[Assistant] Second round was a popular time to get running backs in last year's draft. Do you see this guy as a second round kind of player? I do.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna guess that you're not gonna have him ahead of, uh, what you say now is your number one back from last year. You had him as your second one. Jonathan Taylor, second round pick. But the other second rounder, Swift.


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[Assistant] Akers, Dobbins, and Dillon, different kind of players, but would you put them ahead of those kind of players?


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[Assistant] Couple other, I'm just looking through my notes. Couple other second round backs that people don't think were sliding these backs in the last couple years. Nick Chubb, Dalvin Cook, Joe Mixon. This is where you get them.


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[Assistant] Up at number two, our second back from North Carolina. And like Javian Hawkins, he's 5'8". He's a little heavier. 199, Michael Carter.


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[Assistant] Pete, I wasn't looking. Did you run the Michael Carter graphic of his production?


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[Assistant] Okay, there we go. So this is what he did last season, 1200 yards, fourth in the NCAA.


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[Assistant] I go right to Chris, the yard spur attempt, 7.9. That's a nearly impossible figure to get. I saw him play in person and I thought the numbers were maybe a little inflated. I'm glad to hear you talk about all the things you saw because


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[Assistant] I saw, okay, Sam Howell's right. We're gonna talk about him next. He throws the hell out of the ball. Right. He had a lot of talent out wide. Definitely. They line up in the shotgun spread. Definitely.


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[Assistant] Run pass option, he gets the ball, huge gash, runs 10 yards before anybody touches him. Maybe 15 yards. There's some of those runs. So you talk about a tough eval. What I thought we were going to be getting into is giant numbers, but I don't know how good he is because the run pass option


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[Assistant] Running through huge holes. And maybe I was a little misled from the one game I saw.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we've been talking about running backs for a while now. That's the best compliment you've paid to anybody yet. I just want to back up and highlight that.


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[Assistant] Nobody tackles him one on one. Nobody. Think about how many times in the league, as good as an offensive line is.


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[Assistant] You gotta make somebody miss right away, and if you don't, it's a gain of one.


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[Assistant] In my, in my brief time with the Vikings, and Brian Billick was the offensive coordinator. I remember he'd be up there showing tape of the run game, and every now and then, a running back would be out in space, and he would just say, bring your own blocker. Running back, bring your own blocker. And he kept saying it, and a couple weeks in, I was like, what does he mean, bring your own blocker? I went to Brad Johnson, I'm like, cool, what?


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[Assistant] What is bringing your own blocker? He's like, he just got to take care of the unblocked guy by himself.


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[Assistant] Before we get to your number one guy, as much as you like Michael Carter, did you sit down and give real thought to having him as your top guy? I did.


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[Assistant] Pete, you just said something to me, I couldn't make out the last word. Does it matter that he was running back my committee?


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[Assistant] Let's take a look at some of these measurables for everybody who can watch along with us. 40 yard dash, 4.41.


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[Assistant] All of the, uh, the athletic measurables, I don't know, I mean, what you make of them, 5, 10, 2, 15, but when you watch them.


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[Assistant] He can really go. I saw him play three times in person, Chris, and what really jumped out to me was made him a little different than a lot of the other just really good backs. He had this way and anticipation is a quarterback thing, but if it can be a running back thing for this this conversation.


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[Assistant] When he got the handoff, if there was a hole that needed him to be at full speed when he hit it. Thank you. He was at full speed at the line of scrimmage instead of getting through it and kind of, oh, I can sprint now. Yes. He was at top speed when everybody else was kind of trying to figure out the play and I feel like he hit some big plays because of that.


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[Assistant] I wanna go back and plug in a couple things to your points. You talk about what a strength he can be in the passing game.


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[Assistant] 85 catches the last two years. Think about that. He caught 85 balls as a running back and averaged over 12 yards per catch. So again, not just the check down fall forward for six yards. He was getting 10 plus on average. They're running with those 85%


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[Assistant] More explosive than elusive. Is that a concern? Is that a compliment?


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[Assistant] Couple of team questions. I think these are always fun to get into and people like to hear about them as well. So let's, let's get down into the 20s and kind of make the turn here at 23. I picked out 23 and 24. So let's say this plays out the way we expect. Nobody's taking a running back. Jets come up at 23. They got their quarterback at two.


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[Assistant] Would it be a good call to go with their favorite running back? Let's say it's ETN at 23.


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[Assistant] So if the Jets don't take him at 23, here's the Steelers at 24. Offensive tackle looks pretty good, but there's a couple already gone. Best running backs there. How about Pittsburgh at 24?


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[Assistant] Just like last year, we get to the last pick. The Super Bowl champs are there at 32. Chiefs went Edwards-Alaire last year. Would you like it if they took ETN? The Buccaneers. No.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, I mean, the history of the draft, the teams are probably thinking the same way.


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[Assistant] Five in round two last year, three in round three, four in round four. So I mean, likely a similar kind of pattern. So let's take a peek at what we just had there for the top five running backs.


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[Assistant] At one, from Clemson, Travis Etienne. Uh, out of North Carolina, Michael Carter at two, Jaytheon Hawkins, Louisville three, Najee Harris. A lot of people's one and two shows up at four for Chris, and Javonte Williams at five. Also, former Tar Heel.


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[Assistant] So, you know what has to happen now? Yeaah. Because that top five, there are some very good players always that don't make the list. People are wondering what about this player? Sure. You ready for a couple of whatabouts? Yeaah. Okay, what about Chuba Hubbard out of Oklahoma State? Yeaah. Crazy production. Yeaah. In the Big 12. Uh, at Blast TM2 says, hey Chris.


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[Assistant] Why are people acting like Chuba Hubbard didn't have an elite season in 2019? He's a track star with great vision and he is tough too.


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[Assistant] Trenton Clark brings up a question that not only fits for Hubbard, but just kind of bigger picture with these guys who touch the ball and put up giant numbers. How does someone like Hubbard fill out a stat sheet in college so well, but doesn't translate well to the league?


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[Assistant] They think of the big numbers in college. Trey Sermon from Ohio State also didn't make your list. Hank Mardukas. Is that a reference to I Love You Man?


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[Assistant] I think it is, Pete. If it is, that's outstanding. Very underrated. Hank Mardukas asks, why aren't people higher?


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[Assistant] At Ben Money Morris wants to know, Kenneth Gainwell from Memphis is a prospect I've seen fluctuate among draft analysts. Is it because he didn't play this year? What are your thoughts on him?


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[Assistant] Pete, with a good assist, uh, remind me to back up with an honorable mention. Someone who was on your list, I think, for a while. Big boy. Didn't quite make it. Ramondre Stevenson out of Oklahoma, six feet.


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[Assistant] Pete from home with access to my ear. That's not a handle. That's just my description of this question. Wants to know who has the best legs and ass in this class.


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[Assistant] Number one legs and ass. Yes. Only one glass of water though. One pitcher. Only one. I think the offensive lineman, someone that was up to like three.


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[Assistant] We've got some team questions and some people are thinking the same way I am because I've already asked basically some of these. I want to get to ones that we haven't touched on yet. How about 40 Niners from Ray Martinez? Which running backs do you think the Niners should target second to third round to show up their backfield? Who would be a nice fit there in that offense?


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[Assistant] To make their running game ferocious. I want to add a couple things. Let's say should they draft them rounds two, three and four and they did take J.K. Dobbins round two last year. Yeaah, I would say no.


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[Assistant] Steelers, once again, and we already talked about the fact that you don't think any of the running backs are going to go.


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[Assistant] It's a specific question, but if you can zoom out and look at it, do you think any of your top five backs will be there late in the second round?


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[Assistant] I'm backing up now to the original page one here. Yeah. Of the rundown. Pete, are we ready to start back at the top since we got right back in the rankings? Do it!


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[Assistant] This is under the category of Ask Me Anything. Uh, Mack Jones, to the Niners, that idea is the gift that keeps on giving. Oh, it does. For all of us here. Uh, Bimani Jones had an interesting argument. There we go. Let's take a peek at this. He says, bottom line,


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[Assistant] If you ever said Kirk Cousins is my ideal quarterback, you ain't no damn genius. And if he reminds me of Kirk Cousins, makes you take a guy at three,


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[Assistant] You took Cousins in the fourth round, you are a fool. Which is why I kind of think the 49ers go to Lancer Fields. And I say that because I just don't think Kyle Shanahan is a moron and only a moron would trade the farm to draft Mac Jones.


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[Assistant] I think people are underrating too, that even if you're not...


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[Assistant] Overwhelmed with any given series or quarter of Mac Jones, people are underrating what an elite skill it is, uh, if he does indeed have it. There's reasons to watch and think of making the right decision and putting the ball in the right place.


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[Assistant] Think about why they came off of, in my understanding came off of being super excited about Jimmy Garoppolo. It's not because he stinks and can't play.


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[Assistant] There were a couple moments in big games where he wasn't accurate and the ball didn't go where it was supposed to. So if you can get that much better at that position with those qualities, your team can win those big games.


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[Assistant] Why do you think that that one hasn't caught fire the way the Mac Jones thing has?


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[Assistant] For as many people that want to come after Mack and say, oh, he's Kirk Cousins, he's average. There are people that say, you know what, if you really watch, he is worth a first round pick. Not hearing about Kellen Mond as much that way.


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[Assistant] Let's get it back to Justin Fields a little bit. This is from at Jerry Finsta. And I like the whole comp thing. So you can take this wherever you want. Sure. I think it's a fun thing to do this time of year. What up Chris? You the man. Love your show. You've said that Justin Fields has elite running. How does he compare to Lamar going into the draft in both throwing and running?


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[Assistant] Broncos, they pick at number nine. Yeah. Luisco 303, love the pod. Who should the Broncos take at nine? Take a quarterback or trade back maybe for more picks? Well,


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[Assistant] Who might be the fifth quarterback by then. It's at least gonna be the fourth.


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[Assistant] Totally see your logic with Denver there at nine, especially with the quarterback thing.


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[Assistant] But Detroit at seven. I know, right? What do you think? Well, there is, I mean, I think you mentioned a very good point with Denver, Vic D'Angelo. It might be, I mean, it is a huge year for him.


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[Assistant] In Detroit, you have a new regime. I know you don't love Jared Goff. I mean, maybe he plays better than he did the last couple of seasons, but why not go quarterback at seven there?


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[Assistant] Yeah, at Mitchell Jobs says, if Penaisul falls to the Lions at 7, how fast do they make that?


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[Assistant] You bring up the bangles at five, it's perfect. At M. Smudge, 1984.


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[Assistant] He says, would you like the Bengals to take a wide receiver or a tackle at five?


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[Assistant] Hosting's tough, man. Hosting can make you not yourself. I would think so. In a heartbeat. Right. You gotta be really quick on that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it can make people talk like they're not their normal selves or think like they're not their normal selves and he's, I think his learning curve has been awfully good.


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[Assistant] You ready for some detackles? Yeaah. Okay. Got a couple with your detackle rankings. Pete, can we throw that up there?


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[Assistant] To fail like Pete with a quick-minded assist. Pete's ready to host you. Oh, Pete's ready. Okay, so, at decon90 says, Before last season, I saw talks of Marvin Wilson from Florida State being similar to Derrick Brown. I've seen him all over the place in the rankings, including not on your top five. Where do you have him and why?


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[Assistant] At Kramer the First, Chris, love the show. It's a must listen. Thoughts on Tommy Toghiai from Ohio State.


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[Assistant] Hi, I'm Mike Tirico and thanks for watching. Make sure to hit subscribe for the latest news and highlights from NBC Sports.


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[Assistant] Not a lot. It's kind of a product of middle of the week. I mean, Wednesday is not a great time to celebrate. And even though there seems to be light at the end of the tunnel, we are still in this pandemic. So having people over wasn't a big option.


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[Assistant] Couple people over on the down low, fire out front, and just kinda hang out and take it easy. Okay, that's gonna be tonight or this weekend? That is tonight. Tonight. Okay. That is tonight.


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[Assistant] Like tonight. Bourbon. Bourbon? Yeaah. Okay. So fill it up, you know, you know, maybe half way. Talk about these glasses later. Yeaah. Sip on it. Hopefully, hopefully keep it under control.


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[Assistant] Pay attention to that one. Word of the wise, I was mid-forties and had that same thought and blew out a couple discs in my back, so don't get to that point. I know. I got Big Phil.


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[Assistant] Fifty. Fifty. Yeaah. Big breath. Little, little hour and a half reprieve from, from thinking about being fifty. Alright, good. This is a nice break in the day. It's a gift.


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[Assistant] And, uh, free agency coming next week is a gift for Renethil News. Kind of mix in with, with all the draft evaluation we're doing. So we kind of thought today, in addition to Big Phil, we would go position by position, free agency-wise, kind of hit some of the bigger names. Uh, the marquee names at the certain groups, we'll spend a little more time there, but we will try and touch on every single group. You okay with talking about wide receivers first?


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[Assistant] Let's do it. That's what Pete has here listed. Yeah, he's the boss. I'm all for it. I was surprised Kenny Gala Day. I was too. Not going to be tagged by the Lions. A lot of names to get to here, but I want to start there and get your reaction to the fact that they're just going to let him go.


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[Assistant] I thought they'd want him to support that a little. That was my thought. In addition to, I know he was injured last year. Yeaah. But he's been very productive there. I know. And their biggest investment, this new group there leading the charge, is in the quarterback in Jared Goff. Right. You would think his number one asset would be Golladay.


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[Assistant] I get you. And they have a lot of ego, a lot of what they're going to do in the next three or four years wrapped up in golf's success. Yeah. This one just surprises me a lot, not just for his production, but because of what they think they might get out of golf.


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[Assistant] Someone's going to pay him pretty well. So that's the next level of holiday. What do you think he's worth?


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[Assistant] Let's say you are a GM somewhere in the NFL. Yeaah. Let's paint the picture this way. You have your number one receiver. Right. You have a good quarterback. You're not going to go out and get Goladay, but you want one of these quality receivers that can play outside. Maybe you can play in the slot a little bit. Right. And Goladay's off the board. Which one are you going to go after the most? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] I think it's always fun to bring up the point or bring up the question, what fit do you like? Yeah. Where would you like to see one of these guys go? You mentioned that you still like T.Y. Hilton. I do as well. Right. So just kinda as you think about it off the top of your head, where would you like to see him end?


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[Assistant] Sammy Watkins fit in really well in that little role there when he was healthy. You know, Kelsey and Hill leading the way, but he would show up quite a bit sometimes.


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[Assistant] When you think about him playing elsewhere, without Hill and Kelsey, what do you think?


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[Assistant] I think on the offensive side of the ball, this is the biggest list of significant names or recognizable names. Before we move on, is there anybody that you haven't hit on before we go to running backs?


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[Assistant] Let's take a look at the Aaron Jones, uh, the odds for his next team provided by... Oh.


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[Assistant] In addition to the salary camp spot they're in, which is good too. First round picks this year, three next year. They are in as good a shape as anybody, not in terms of roster, but a chance to build it and go the right way.


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[Assistant] Okay, so that's Aaron Jones, the top running back. Who counts for you as the best of the rest?


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[Assistant] Considering how much Brady that offense leaned on Fournette there in the postseason, I don't have the numbers memorized anymore, but I think he was in double digits for touches with runs and catches.


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[Assistant] Easily into the double digits in the entire postseason. Shouldn't he be worth quite a bit to them?


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[Assistant] Offensive lineman. Final position here offensively. Which one of these guys most said or has the most potentially to think to break the bank as they say this time of year?


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[Assistant] There's some tackles here with a lot of experience, a lot of years, and a lot of really good years behind him. I'd love to hear which one you would want the most. Daryl Williams, Alejandro Villanueva, a lot for the Steelers. Russell Okum from a first round pick. Rick Wagner, I feel like he's been starting forever.


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[Assistant] Phil, I saw Trevor Lawrence play two years ago. He was a true freshman against Notre Dame. And a couple things really stood out to me. I wonder if you saw similar kind of stuff when you watched him.


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[Assistant] He threw on a, on a last minute drive in the first half about a 22 to 25 yard in route.


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[Assistant] That have the kind of pace on it that most people throw a 15-yard in-route hat. Number one.


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[Assistant] And number two, Notre Dame had a certain player, very good player, got banged up, couldn't play. The backup that came in was a significant drop off in terms of talent, and Lawrence knew right away


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[Assistant] Okay, so we've got Jameis Winston, Cam Newton.


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[Assistant] Mitchell Trubisky, Phil, kind of the biggest names out there.


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[Assistant] Who do you think is the most likely to go to a new team and have some success?


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Think of that situation in New Orleans a couple of seasons ago, Drew got hurt, Bridgewater came in, did a really nice job, they won all the games. I mean, Trubisky could be, I'd be thinking of him as that kind of guy. Yeaah, definitely.


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[Assistant] I was at that game, Phil, I think you were there too, probably the 16th season. I think you were in the booth and Cam with Carolina went to Seattle and just absolutely killed him. They had other good players too, but it was, it was a one man show. He brought him back and beat a very good Seahawks team and it was a while ago, but thinking about him with the Seahawks, you know Pete Carroll and John Schneider.


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[Assistant] He can bring that memory back and think, God, I know he's not what he was then, but if he's even close, we can win with that.


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[Assistant] There's a couple out there. Feel good to talk to you.


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[Assistant] I told you that one time I went to the house and did the whole throwing thing, we watched film. We get up and we're watching, watching quarterbacks. I think it was the year Tannehill was coming out because we were watching him a lot. I'm like, this is really cool, man. I'm special. I'm watching film with Phil Simms.


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[Assistant] Throughout the day, there were just dudes coming in. Constant. High school coaches would show up and stand in the corner, talk to them, they'd lead. A couple more coaches would come in. It's like an open door policy. Yep. If you love football, know where he lives, come on over. No doubt. It's the way it is.


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[Assistant] So Pete, this is decision time here on third and seventh. From a timing standpoint, do you want to do the defensive guys or do you want to go into quarterback jeopardy? Let's do the deep. Let's do it.


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[Assistant] Defensive free agents, edge defenders begin with Shaq Barrett.


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[Assistant] Buccaneers put the franchise tag on Chris Godwin.


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[Assistant] The decision to succeed ought to matter a whole lot. Should be conversations they have because they have to worry about Watt first. They've got to worry about the interior lineman. He's in a great spot there if he stays and can't mess with anybody's business or money, but I mean, there's some pretty good logic to stay in there.


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[Assistant] I want to break him down into two categories. Who do you think is, who are you saying, fool's gold, don't do it, don't give him all that money.


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[Assistant] Who do you think provides the best value and will be a great sign?


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[Assistant] I think right next to the edge rushers, I mean, cornerbacks is most likely for teams to spend on them because of how much they value that position.


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[Assistant] Who do you think is on the way to getting a bigger payday than maybe his play deserves?


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[Assistant] Okay, how about this route? If you're not going to go after a William Jackson, but you do need to improve the decking quality, and you want someone who can play corner the traditional way, maybe can come in and play slot corner. God, if you're really in a pinch, you could play one of the safeties too.


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[Assistant] How much do you think Kevin King is hurt this time of year based off of the way his season finished?


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[Assistant] Safeties. I remember our conversation a couple weeks ago with John Johnson. You liked him a whole lot. I do.


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[Assistant] Have you seen this? I have. Have you seen this right here? Yeah. So go ahead and hold that up for everybody watching. For everybody who's not watching, what Chris has there in his right hand and I have in my left.


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[Assistant] Players Championship Series coming up this weekend, starts Thursday. Golf Channel, NBC.


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[Assistant] If it looks like there's something inside, that is a replica of the famous 17th green there at Sawgrass. That's what that is.


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[Assistant] If you are interested in this, golfchannel.com slash players sweeps. And there's some discrepancy on whether this comes out and gets cold in the freezer.


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[Assistant] I think you should. I mean, it looks appropriate. I'll send you a picture. You as well, Pete.


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[Assistant] Looks like the Jaguars are poised to take a quarterback at one overall.


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[Assistant] Actually the first time they've ever held the number one pick. But who are the three quarterbacks previously drafted in the top ten?


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[Assistant] I was going to throw out a hint that he was also involved in the Super Bowl. Yes, right. Yes, right. Okay, 200. The Jets are also believed to be in the quarterback game at number two, even though they've drafted four quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] Since 2015, I would like for you to name those four.


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[Assistant] 2015 is when it started. So in 15 and 16, they took one both years.


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[Assistant] One's a second-rounder, one's a fourth-rounder. Oh, they took Hackenberg. Yes, Christian Hackenberg in round two.


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[Assistant] I think with a, I think with a hint, it's a, it's a name you definitely know.


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[Assistant] The, the, the third one happened in 2018 that this is a slam dunk obvious. Nothing's obvious right now. I'm flustered. This is obvious. Jets quarterback.


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[Assistant] They dropped it in 2018. 2018? Hold on a second here. Let me rack my brain here.


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[Assistant] Took him, uh, in the top five. Yeaah, took him to number three. Oh my god. I'm an idiot. Sam Donald.


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[Assistant] I'm thinking about, uh, so this is brought up here because of, in the draft, Justin Fields. Yeah. I'm thinking Justin Fields and we're thinking Big Phil. Okay. Okay. 300 after the Giants won the Super Bowl in 86. Season opener in 87 took them to Chicago. Monday night game against the Bears.


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[Assistant] Who was the Ohio State alum as the opposing quarterback that night?


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[Assistant] 400. Dak Prescott, now a very rich cowboy. The payday seemed like a long way away when he was the 8th quarterback taken in 2016.


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[Assistant] If you can name four of the seven taken before him,


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[Assistant] We won't tag you at your next contract time. Oh my gosh, I hate you guys.


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[Assistant] So 2016, two are as obvious as can be. Two are giveaways. That's why we put the number four.


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[Assistant] Let me know if you want, if you want a couple of very fair hints. Yea, give me a fair hint. Okay, so 2016, two of these guys taken at one and two have been in the news. Right, so it's Wentz and Goff. That's where you need to get going. Okay, so now here comes the tough part.


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[Assistant] Two other names and again, Dak Prescott, eighth quarterback taken. So seven before and you've got two of the names.


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[Assistant] I know, right? Yes. And, uh, we've got Jacoby Brissett. Ugh! We've got Cody Kessler. Ugh!


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[Assistant] And counter cook. Ugh. That should have been for 500. That's alright.


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[Assistant] I think you're going to get $500. Okay. You have Mac Jones rated higher than most others. You have him as your third quarterback. Right. Just led Alabama to its sixth national title under Nick Saban. Before Nick got there, the Tide's last championship came in 1992. Right. Who was the quarterback of that


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[Assistant] When Alabama whooped their ass. We played Miami in 92 in the season opener. Did you really? They had, I mean, they had Warren Sapp. Right. I mean, their defense was unbelievable. Thinking of defense, that Alabama defense, I don't remember that game. I went back and looked. They had double digit players off that defense. Yeah, right. Most of them in the first round.


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[Assistant] Both defensive ends, like Copeland and Hand. Oh gosh, man.


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[Assistant] I'm the best kind of guest to have on because I come free.


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[Assistant] Oh, I knew it was coming, mister 50 years old. You know, 50 is nothing.


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[Assistant] I like that when you still feel like, oh okay, this is that and all that. But I will say, which I've told my son,


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[Assistant] I went from 64 to 65 this past offseason and I said, it was like overnight ago.


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[Assistant] I, man, this is real. This eighth thing is real. Every time, like, uh, let's see, what is today, so.


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[Assistant] And Joe Mixon, but no, let's don't do it. Let's keep just randomly picking people here and there. And you know, I, I kind of believe this theory a little bit in the NFL. Just who are you? The Bengals want to be.


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[Assistant] An offensive team. That's what I look at right now.


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[Assistant] Just get one side done and try to win the game, you know, that way. As Nick Saban said, you know, he was really funny before the playoffs. Well, you know, college football has changed. You gotta score. And you just hope you stop the other team a couple times.


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[Assistant] And you know, some teams are kind of in that mode in the NFL. And I know that's an overstatement, but I'm just saying it because they relied on, you know, Joe Burrell so much last year.


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[Assistant] And I'm not second guessing, we've talked about this, but I said it early.


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[Assistant] Too much. My god. Too much. And, and that's after a while I went, well.


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[Assistant] And I actually saw him physically kinda slow down a little too.


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[Assistant] Well, I'll give you a good example. You know, you look at the Raiders. Hey, they fixed their offense. I mean, it's fixed.


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[Assistant] Oh, we're gonna win, and oh my god, Miami goes all those yards in ten seconds or what. You know, I think three games they lost late on the last drive of the game.


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[Assistant] I know the Chiefs, the Dolphins, and I'm forgetting the other one.


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[Assistant] But you, you look at that, and I think I even heard you talk about this, Christopher, is that it, of course, that changes our perception of the Raiders, their season,


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[Assistant] And all that, so it's amazing how close it was for them, but they did fix one side of the ball big time.


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[Assistant] Well, they have been drafting linemen and I can't remember the year they drafted one and two.


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[Assistant] Yes, oh boy, he, yes. And I looked at him and I remember going to practice the year they were drafted and I went.


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[Assistant] I was, uh, Marvin Lewis was the greatest guy besides maybe Belichick.


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[Assistant] He'd stand there and talk to you the whole practice sometimes and tell you about, and I just go, wow, man, it looks like you might be set for a while here at Tackle.


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[Assistant] He goes, well I hope so, but it's such an adjustment from the way they play until the NFL. And he was, not negative, but he was like, you know, I said, oh, okay, I could see the concern.


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[Assistant] But, let's draft Johnny Menzel in the first round, and then everybody on TV, he should be the first pick, and the first pick of the draft. If you don't take him the first pick, then you should be fired.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, I'm not, uh, I'm, I want to wait till I see them all and do it all. I'm a little slow. Just other things that come up in my life, but whatever. But of course I like them both. Um, I do think they'll be the first and second picks of the draft. And I understand why you, I think Trevor Lawrence, if he fails, he'll still be really good. And I think Zach Wilson is going to be, you know, at worst, a really good, solid, uh, NFL starter. So, and I did something.


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[Assistant] Uh, Mike Mayock and all them. I watched every play. Well...


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[Assistant] I'm that guy. I did it this year. I watched every play. As I was doing it, I was laughing at myself. I'm such a hypocrite. Every play at which one.


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[Assistant] I started, you know, I get enamored all the time and I'm slow as hell some days because I started looking at the scheme.


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[Assistant] And judging other guys, go, what am I doing? Come on. Hell, it's been two hours. I'm still, you know, whatever. So, but I do like them both. They're really truly so different and it's


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[Assistant] How do you see your offense, and I really believe this now too, is you look at these guys and you grade them and you do that.


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[Assistant] But every team has got a different way of how they want to use the quarterback a little. So I think you have to really look at that too. But when it all comes down to it, Christopher and Paul, you're going to have to throw the ball to win.


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[Assistant] And I think Christopher and you guys, I listened to your podcast when you went over to Christopher's list. It was really good. And when you can really run and you're dynamic.


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[Assistant] That makes your process in the NFL maybe a little easier. Maybe. You know, it gives you that out. But also, when you can really run sometimes too.


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[Assistant] It slows the process of learning to throw from the pocket where all the plays, a lot of plays are made.


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[Assistant] The game is spread out. It's easier than ever to get a move in the pocket, get outside, step up, all that. And we know defensive linemen, uh, their discipline is very limited.


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[Assistant] And it's just easier. And again, because of the spread offenses, all the quick throws, everything we're doing, it makes it easier. So you don't have to be, oh, he's just not athletic enough to draft. Who's that? What guy are we talking about? And I think Christopher said it, it's like we hold Mac Jones to a different standard. Oh, he played with great players.


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[Assistant] Right. I mean, that argument is stupid.


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[Assistant] Oh listen, listen, he had to move more than them to create, uh, throwing lanes, stuff like that. So I'm not gonna get into this, I'm not gonna say who I want to, cause you know that.


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[Assistant] But I'm just saying this, yes, when they lined up, they lined up against UT San Antonio.


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[Assistant] And that game is being played, I'm going, I don't, I'm looking at it going, Hey, UT San Antonio might be better than WIU.


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[Assistant] I didn't look at their schedule cause, you know, I'm not going to judge anybody from their team, but I think they actually had a pretty good year this, this past year. But yeah, they had a lot of good looking guys. They made him move. BYU.


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[Assistant] Hey, the great passing game is great stats and all that. Let me tell you what. Can we pick up one blitz? Just one.


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[Assistant] Every time teams bust them, it was a free runner. He either threw it off his back foot.


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[Assistant] Which was a great training lesson, Paul, for being in the NFL. And I mean, free guys flying. He just would.


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[Assistant] Stand there, throw it, anticipate, whatever, made some great throws, got away with some interceptions too, things like that.


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[Assistant] But again, to switch it real quick, Trevor Lawrence, the size, the


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[Assistant] Abilities just to let it go. He throws with a lot of freedom. I mean, it's like, you know, he's, uh, I'm going to hit it and he lets it go. He never kind of guides the ball. I love that about him. He's going to play tall, which we saw. Yes, that's a big deal. Christopher, you say, and Paul, I heard y'all size is a talent.


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[Assistant] You know, it can be, and he uses that talent. So all the dumb passes and short passes.


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[Assistant] And, you know, the other thing he did that was...


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[Assistant] Cover my guy so I can just throw it as hard as I can. Right. Right at him. Right. And my guy will turn and make the catch. Did you notice that too?


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[Assistant] Just going back to Zach Wilson, many, many throws from right hash with a 5 or 6 step, 7 step drop.


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[Assistant] And putting no effort into it and really hitting a lot of people. So, you know.


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[Assistant] Well look, he's been a star his whole life. I mean, he was in high school.


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[Assistant] All that, and I'm sure he just didn't all of a sudden grow into this guy. He probably, in the fifth grade, he's out there and everybody's going, well who?


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[Assistant] This isn't fair, I'm sure he's been like that his whole life.


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[Assistant] Focus on him and all that. Doesn't seem to phase him.


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[Assistant] Zach Wilson, is he a late bloomer? I don't know about that, but I understand that, you know, it's junior year, getting hurt, all this fight for the job or whatever it is. But he did that and I don't really, I'm not going to go back and watch their high school films. Oh, you know, in high school, he didn't play them. I love this. Well, that stupid argument too, that we let's go back and watch his


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[Assistant] You know, Paul, Paul, I don't know if we did it a lot. You know, the people, I just will tell them one more time. You came up one day and threw with me.


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[Assistant] And my son, young son, Matt, was the third guy throwing two? I can't remember.


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[Assistant] Watch it. What I've seen so far of all the quarterbacks, they should all call me. Everyone come in the draft and pay me some money. And because none of them really know how to throw the ball on the run. And none of them. And then sometimes they look into great positions.


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[Assistant] But there's certain things you must do to do it on the run, to the right, to the left, whatever. It's guaranteed.


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[Assistant] You know, all the great NFL throwers, Rodgers, Mahomes, just do the whole thing.


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[Assistant] They all do it well, but nobody knows how they're doing it and they don't realize it. And I see, you know.


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[Assistant] As a quarterback, especially once you get to high level college football and you go into the pros, throwing on the run is the easiest thing there is to teach and it's easy to get good at it almost right away.


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[Assistant] Oh yea, yea, he makes some toes on the run and he puts his foot in the ground and gets his body in the right position.


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[Assistant] So that's pretty cool. And go back one last thing about the Clemson's offense. Deep down I loved it.


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[Assistant] Because they got good players and they just kept getting the ball to the good players.


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[Assistant] I know there's a stat if I look it up online or pro football focus or whatever, the number of screens, but.


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[Assistant] Man, do they throw a lot of screens, and wow, were they really good at it.


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[Assistant] It's an RPO. Fake this. Look out. Fake the screen. Hit the tight end delay. Oh, it runs for 30 yards. Where's everybody at? Cause they got a mutation. I mean, they had a play off of their, it was really...


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[Assistant] I give him a lot of credit in that respect, that it was an offense that keeps everybody involved.


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[Assistant] And it keeps the quarterback alive too. I mean, Paul, do you remember playing quarterback on Christopher? There's nothing like throwing a screen.


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[Assistant] You know, I think my first thought would be to say James Winston, if he goes back to New Orleans, that he can be their quarterback.


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[Assistant] That would be because if he's the quarterback for the New Orleans Saints, he's gonna have success.


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[Assistant] And Cam Newton, the question is, where is he going to go back to New England?


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[Assistant] I can't think of one, but you know, off the top of my head, I don't know.


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[Assistant] I mean, come on. He's got experience? That's right. Yeaah. I would love to have him as a backup. That's what's-


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[Assistant] That's really buying some insurance where you won't fall apart completely.


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[Assistant] Because if you lose your starter, and I think that's really important, hey, he's gotta do the Jameis Winston thing.


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[Assistant] To a place that has a good team and a good quarterback and you're definitely not going to threaten the starting quarterback.


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[Assistant] But if your number is called because he gets hurt, you have a chance to have great success and get your career going in the other way again.


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[Assistant] Go ahead. Why not the San Francisco 49ers, whoever they get to be their quarterback. You know, you gotta...


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[Assistant] He's made money, so sometimes, like Seamus Winston, yeaah, I don't know why he got paid minimum wage or minimum down in New Orleans, I'm not real sure.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, you can't make it all about money, you gotta think long, you know, long down the road.


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[Assistant] If you do get the chance, but if you get a chance with a bad team...


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[Assistant] I think it's important decisions for a lot of these quarterbacks that got a little talent that are borderline starters and they're looking for another chance.


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[Assistant] With Drew Brees, but maybe not a lot more, but that, and of course the other thing that I always say about Jameis Winston.


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[Assistant] And that's his, that's his throwing motion. It's one thing he's needed to correct and he has not done. But, uh, you know, you put him...


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[Assistant] And I guess I heard you guys talking about it once maybe. When you watch his film from Tampa Bay, you just go...


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[Assistant] Better bring a little something new to the New Orleans Saints offense if he does get a chance to go back there and be their starter.


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[Assistant] Let me think, I swear to God I'm gonna tell you what I think once you say I got the team. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] 100% and it didn't even take me a second. As soon as you said, I went, oh, it's there. That's where I thought you would say that run the, he can run it. They can run more, you know,


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[Assistant] Whatever you want to call it, zone reads, he'll keep it. He's now the power runner too at times, which you don't always have to rely on.


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[Assistant] You know, two backs in the backfield. There's seven yards deep. Give it to the quarterback. A little deception. Run it in there, big fella.


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[Assistant] And they got the kind of receivers where he'll rip it down the field and make some opportunities. But yeah, I think it's a perfect fit. And Pete Carroll, like you said, oh my gosh, he will be in heaven.


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[Assistant] Just, this is the way you're meant to do it. It's beautiful.


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[Assistant] He had a lot of games where he threw the ball well, but he threw one or two bad ones and we just focused on them. And look, Paul comes down to this, you know, uhm.


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[Assistant] It was just, it was him. He got himself, like Christopher says, in such a position that...


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[Assistant] Nobody could get, correct themselves and get accomplished what he was trying to do when you get in a certain position. And that's what happened to him. And you know, listen, no training camp. He needed time. The COVID thing was real.


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[Assistant] The guy that you're talking about that went to Seattle, he's not far from that. Maybe not as fast, there's no doubt about that. But it's still big, he's still powerful.


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[Assistant] And that is a great thing, and if Russell gets traded...


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[Assistant] I think now, as we're talking, I'll be disappointed if he's not in Seattle.


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[Assistant] Let's give it one more try, man. You know, you don't know when the next time this will come around and the team is aging and key spots.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, blood to pre, I don't know what's gonna happen there. What do you think? You think they'll...


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[Assistant] I mean, they, they just, they're sledgehammers. And, uh, but, you know, to it, and, um, shoot, who am I missing?


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[Assistant] You know, how many more years they have? They play so many plays. But, I heard you talk about it. Change the offense enough.


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[Assistant] I know the offensive line's not going to be the great ones that Ben Roethlisberger played with, but change it enough. And you know, just get rid of your ego and evolve the team around your defense more.


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[Assistant] That's where the talent is, so let's, let's show them off and quit worrying about throwing the ball like they did, which I'm sure they will not do this coming year.


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[Assistant] Tampa did it, and you know, Gullah, we talked to the Super Bowl. It was six, seven, eight protectors.


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[Assistant] And really the one time I think they did it once with eight man protection.


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[Assistant] He should have thrown a touchdown. He missed the crosser by the third string tight end. I forgot his name.


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[Assistant] It took, it took Tampa a long time to really settle into it. And then also,


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[Assistant] Tom Brady really didn't have to take any chances, never tries to force the ball.


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[Assistant] Against the Kansas City Chiefs, all that. So it was really a great game plan on both sides of the ball, but especially


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[Assistant] I give the defense more credit for what they did and really than the defense. I do just because it was well thought out, a lot of easy throws.


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[Assistant] The one that grok in the back of the end zone was maybe the best one of his whole, the whole year.


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[Assistant] Hey coach, uh, can we put that on a cue card for you so you don't forget it?


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[Assistant] Do we sound? You sound silkier and smoother. Do I sound silkier and smoother? And it is good to have the crutch of having the mic. It's like nice to touch something, hold something, whatever. I don't want to touch or hold you.


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[Assistant] Uh, they're still here, baby, that's right. Vice President of NBC Sports is hosting this show with me, Ahmed Farid. He's the one that makes these type of calls. You know, mics, what's on TV. I mean, guy hosts the Belmont. Just, you know, just another day in the life. But you ask, you receive. So we're still here. You did sound better.


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[Assistant] So wait, let me just paint a picture for me now. So we do the pod last week, it comes up, what, a few hours later. When did you decide to go back and listen and go, let me see how this sounds with the new, the new mic. Our podcast? Our podcast. Immediately. I love it. As soon as it was


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[Assistant] Now they're all in. Nobody's complaining now. It's good. It's really good. So I'm happy. Let me know next thing. If something comes up, I'll get it for you. Okay. Fine. Yep. Extra million for my next contract is what I'm really looking for. Okay. Uh, what's up? You have a good weekend? Yeah. Was that the, was that the Belmont at the Belmont? How much did you sweat? That was hot as hell that day.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was. It really is. I gotta agree. I watch every year and I was sitting here like me and my little girl who were into it really were kinda like, you know, oh here he goes, he's gonna pull away and then we were like, what? This other guy is hanging in there. So, uh, I always enjoy it.


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[Assistant] And I'm gonna get into that in a second. I think they got what they could get here at this point for the current, you know, state or point in time here.


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[Assistant] Alright, but the, the, the star of the day is the Tennessee Titans, of course. I mean, the Titans went from a, hey, they're a playoff team, like a solid playoff team. That's how we viewed them. To now we go, oh, they're a Super Bowl team. That's what it did for them.


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[Assistant] You know, and you know, I, I sit there and I asked Mike Florio this today earlier today. I mean, it's hard for me to think of a trade here in recent history or anything like that.


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[Assistant] Uh, at the wide receiver position to go wait.


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[Assistant] You're gonna trade for that guy to pair him with that guy? Two number ones?


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[Assistant] Legit top 10 receivers. Julio, you know, last year he was top 5 for me for sure. He's still dancing around that. AJ is firmly a top 10 receiver. So like, from that standpoint, okay, and I just look at it that way, I go, wow, what a duo that is. I mean, that arrival, any duo,


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[Assistant] I really think in the history of football, as it stands right now, I know we haven't seen it on the field. Alright. And you again, I know Moss and Carter's up there and there's some other ones through time.


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[Assistant] You know, he's more of a slot, you know, route runner, I'm gonna do the underneath type stuff. These are two of the same physical freak type of guys. And here's the last thing too, I don't mean to talk all the time here, but like,


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[Assistant] For how they want to play football, it makes the most sense. That's where it's an awesome fit, and I give John Robinson a lot of credit, the GM for the Tennessee Titans, to look at his team and go,


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[Assistant] We run the ball, Derrick Henry, he's our bread and butter, right? Okay, what's the most effective way to keep people off of him? Oh, two difference makers on the outside.


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[Assistant] Right? And that's where I look at it and go, it's going to really put teams in a bind. You know, a lot of the times you see like these great running teams, they might have one guy that scares you and you go, ooh.


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[Assistant] We don't want to leave him man to man, but now to have two guys that legitimately scare you to where you go, Ooh, we're going to leave our guys one-on-one with this group and what they can do, you know.


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[Assistant] Before the ball's in the air, after the catch, whatever, is really, really special that way. They're game-breaking receivers. So that's where I like it. And they're gonna be able to get in packages of plays, Ahmed, where they're gonna be able to, he's gonna call two plays in the huddle, one's gonna be a run, one's gonna be an aggressive down the field play action pass or something like that, and he's gonna look at coverage and go, oh,


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[Assistant] They're playing one safety. They want to stop Derrick Henry. Okay, one of these guys is one on one. See you later. Boom. Completion. Oh, wait. Now they're protecting. They're scared of us because they're throwing deep. Oh, now they're outnumbered in the box. We're going to run the football. That's where it makes sense. It's a simple formula, except I think it's going to be extremely effective. And I just like what Tennessee's done this off season.


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[Assistant] Well, it is, it is, and I think they've tried to make the improvements on the defensive side of the ball. Drapped in Caleb Farley, signed DeNorris Jenkins, signed a Kevin Johnson, you know, signed Bud Dupree in free agency to Nico Autry. So like, hopefully that's going to work out.


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[Assistant] To where I think they went into this going, wait, our defense, we feel like we made the proper adjustments, right? Now they looked at it and go, okay, we lost Corey Davis, right?


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[Assistant] You know, their own line is good, but I don't know if it was as dominant as it was two, three years ago. I don't know. I think that's a little bit questionable, but this helps it out.


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[Assistant] It does. And that's where it's a game breaker that way. Let alone, hey, your offense wants to play a style of football that fits both of those receivers and you have a quarterback that


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[Assistant] Is a really good down the field thrower of the ball. Like I've seen people making fun of like,


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[Assistant] Oh, Julio said he was going to go to a place with a strong long quarterback and now they're laughing because it's Ryan Tannehill. Like those people who put out that stuff, I go, I just want to go, you're an idiot. You don't know what you're talking about. You're an idiot. He's one of the best down the field throwers in football, especially the last two years. I mean, AJ Brand had a 20 yard completion.


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[Assistant] You know, average, two years ago, this past year you had 15. They're not doing it through screens. It's not that.


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[Assistant] It's not like dink and dunk and then AJ runs for 20 yards. No, every time I turn on the film, AJ's running 50 yards down the field and he just opens his pocket up and Ryan Tannehill throws it in there. So like stop being a hater on like old narratives. Move on with the world. It's 2021 and Ryan Tannehill's good.


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[Assistant] No. I will say Ryan Tanahal is better than Matt Ryan and he will be ahead of him on my rankings. For sure. Yeaah. I mean...


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[Assistant] But I'm not gonna give many more clues than that. But yes, I would rather have Ryan Tenno. He's a better athlete at this point of his career. He's got a bigger arm at this point of his career. He's still in the prime of his career. Where Matt Ryan's on the outside edge of his prime. Last thing. Yeah.


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[Assistant] It's not really a false narrative in the fact that everybody in the know in the NFL knows that Julio's basically been doing load management to a degree. He doesn't practice Wednesdays and Thursdays.


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[Assistant] He's always questionable for the game on Sunday. It's always a, we're going to see how he feels Sunday morning or Saturday at the practice to see if he could do it. So that's a very known thing. That was part of this, you know, conversation as well. But yes, no, I don't, I still think we're looking at a top five ish type talent.


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[Assistant] At the position right now in the NFL for sure. And that's where it's awesome. They're both big physical and run block, run over the middle, can beat you over the top and do all of that.


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[Assistant] Uh, and that's where it's the perfect fit, not only just player for player, but like we talked about the style of play in which they want to play with.


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[Assistant] No, I never got that type of treatment. That's only for the stars of the stars. I like that little, look at that little Titans emblem right by the door there. Isn't that nice? Only on the private jet. Yea, on the private jet. So, you know, the Adams family sent that out for him. And no, I never reached that status. I was getting very close.


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[Assistant] Right? I was close to being able to, maybe I'm gonna get a Jets, and then I lost my splint. I was, I was on my way there, okay? I was on my way there, so I was going, play the playoff game.


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[Assistant] Right? Uh, okay, might be a free agent after this year and all those type of things, right? So I thought like maybe, hey, maybe this year- Someone will woo me for a couple years. I might, somebody, right, but, but that's only for-


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[Assistant] Quarterbacks and the stars of stars. Like, I feel like


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[Assistant] If you're not signing a contract, if you're not like a real real big time star or have a contract worth more than 10 million per year, they're not going to send the jet. That's probably my god line.


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[Assistant] No, I was close to getting a jet and then I lost my spleen. I mean, you've been talking about gear. Maybe these are the type of things we need to come with. 100% we need gear. We need merchandise. Maybe that's the next merchandise thing. Like we do things we say off here. Maybe we start a... Yes.


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[Assistant] Baby blue t-shirt with like the titan navy blue on there, right?


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[Assistant] Right, people, I think a lot of people, and I just would like to say this to the listeners, because I think a lot of people look at it and go, what? They traded Julio Jones away for a second round pick?


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[Assistant] That's it? A second and a fourth? Yeah, we know he's a first round talent. But the timing of the trade, it's not about the player always. It's about, you know, the market itself. And this was a bad time. It's like, you know, it's like Wall Street. The market's down right now.


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[Assistant] This time of the year, most teams have their teams filled. They've had the draft, they've had free agency.


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[Assistant] Right? The Falcons wanted out of this situation purely, mostly because of money. That's why they wanted out of it. They don't want to take the risk of keeping him on. Oh, he shows up for training camp, he breaks his ankle, we gotta pay him 15 million dollars, we're gonna hope to trade him during training camp.


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[Assistant] No, no, I don't think he did. He wanted to move on. You know, I, I, I, I was one that reported, what was that, Pete, three weeks ago? I had been told by somebody in the know.


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[Assistant] The Tennessee Titans were the leader in the leader house for Julio Jones.


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[Assistant] You know, it was them and then the, the Patriots were very much in the conversation. I was told that by somebody I know knows. So I didn't just like pull that out of my ass. But like the Atlanta thing, that's what everybody's got to realize more than anything. Yeah, Julio Jones is worth more than what they got.


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[Assistant] But not at this time right now. You know, this is where I ask like, why weren't these conversations or more, the trades more aggressively pursued early on in the off season? When you could have got teams bidding against each other and doing that. Yeah, they could have got more if they hold on to them and wait for the trade deadline. But just like we talked about there, there's the risk too of him getting hurt.


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[Assistant] What, he sits out and doesn't play and waits for the trade deadline and then teams are like, well, he hasn't played all year. I don't know if you want to trade for him and give you a first round pick. So they were kind of stuck. You know, they held on to the lifeline of Julio Jones too long. And I don't know if that's cause of Arthur blank or cause of the new front office people or whatever.


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[Assistant] In this current environment, right now, sitting here in the middle of June, you're not gonna get a first round pick for Julio Jones. And I know a lot of people are in shock because they go, wait, they got a second round pick for Mohamed Sanu. You know, they traded away a second round pick to get Hayden Hearst. Well,


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[Assistant] You know, again, Mohamed Sunu, they just got lucky. They, they had a receiver they could trade away for. There was three or four Super Bowl teams that were in the hunt that really needed receivers. So they ended up bidding for each other. That made it a second round pick.


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[Assistant] You know, they never got to that point with Julio Jones. I also was one that was saying last year during the season, because I could see the writing on the wall going, I'm the Atlanta Falcons, I'm thinking about trading Julio Jones during the trade deadline. I saw it on the, I saw it on the wall.


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[Assistant] You know, it's over. The lifeline for that team was over. You know, it's a little like the Eagles. They've been hanging on to that Super Bowl team, like, oh, we still might get back there with this team. And it's just like, no, it's over. And now, you know, you don't act or don't act aggressively enough or the right timing of it or whatever else.


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[Assistant] And now they have a chance, even though I think this was as good as they could do right now, they have a chance to be like,


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[Assistant] A joke at the end of the year, because if Julio and AJ both have like 1200 yards receiving and the Titans are a 1, 2 or 3 seed,


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[Assistant] No, I think you bring up a good point there that I think a lot of teams are going to look at and go, why didn't we do that?


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[Assistant] You know, and again, some teams feel good at that position, you know, as far as the wide receiver is concerned. You also have to have a place where


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[Assistant] Julio signs off. People forget about that. He's not going to be like, Oh, I'm going to Houston everybody. I know Deshaun Watson is not going to be there and they stink. I want to go there. Like, so again, he dictates the teams and interests there a little bit too. That's why we heard this go to Tennessee. He, they had interests. He had interests.


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[Assistant] I gotta think AJ Brown, as I said all along, knew about all of this. That's why he was on social media pushing it along, kind of fanning the fire a little bit, because he was trying to put a little public pressure, I think, on the Titans in this situation.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, you're right though, I think there's teams that look at it that way. But the other aspect too, and the other thing too that, you know, we talked about the injury and the risk and all that, his age, but I think the other concern that's real out there is that he might ask, if he has a big year, he might ask for a new contract. And that's another thing.


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[Assistant] I think lowers the value or scares team away from the conversation. Do you have that cap? Are you willing to do that too?


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[Assistant] Well that's what's going to be interesting with Tennessee because AJ Brown can get a new contract after this year too. So they're going to have to pay him top.


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[Assistant] I'm tempted to do that. And I think that the next time I am in Louisville with my family, I'm probably gonna go check it out. It is really cool.


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[Assistant] Okay, well I am a fan. Let me put that on record. And I'm a beginner bourbon whiskey drinker. You're a burby. That's a beginner burby. So, uh, it is something that I'm kind of only recently acquired the taste for, and I'm not sure if I know


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[Assistant] What's good and what's not yet. So maybe we're hanging out on June 24th. We are for the first time.


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[Assistant] We're gonna hang out, so maybe that's a time we can share that drink together and talk about it. And the wives will drive back.


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[Assistant] That's right, Cam Newton, number 20. That's right.


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[Assistant] Cam Newton's still one of the 20 best quarterbacks in football for my money. I know the quarterback throwing stats might not show it. Alright, I get it. Like we've talked about with some other quarterbacks though, you know, on this list already.


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[Assistant] It's not about the quarterback stats all the time. It's the effect you have on the football game. You know, he's a little bit of a force of nature that way.


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[Assistant] And I think that sometimes gets a little swept under the rug when you talk about Cam Newton. I understand it wasn't all pretty last year, but I think there are some...


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[Assistant] Outside circumstances that you have to be realistic about with Cam Newton and break down and go, well, this led to some issues and some problems, not only because of their football team, but because of COVID and everything we've talked about. But Cam Newton still has got one of the greatest presence of all quarterbacks on the NFL football field.


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[Assistant] You've heard all New England Patriots players talk. He's a great leader. He's a great worker. Those guys, even though they weren't even talented on offense last year, they felt like they could win every game because they're like, damn, we got number one out here. He's Superman.


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[Assistant] He does special things. I mean, he does. And again, you have to get over the passing numbers at time. And I understand work needs to be done in the passing department. We're gonna break that down here in a second.


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[Assistant] Like, if we're gonna talk about the work that has to be done in the past game too, and the negatives there, it's like you've heard me say too, then we gotta start talking about some of the positives in the other areas that people try to avoid the conversations. As in like, he's one of the best running quarterbacks in football still.


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[Assistant] And his skill set running the football is one of the things that made that not very talented offense somewhat of a threat in certain weeks. And it certainly made him one of the best running offenses in football.


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[Assistant] And again, I know it's going to be 8 touchdowns, 10 interceptions passing. Well, how does the stat line sound when you add 12 rushing touchdowns to that and it's 20 to 10 now, right? And he's second on the team in rushing.


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[Assistant] Thank you. You add those stats to his passing numbers, right? And then you could also give the benefit of the doubt to some of these other numbers these other running backs have on their football team and go, well, a lot of those yards, you know why? I mean, they're, they're good and I'm not trying to take away.


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[Assistant] But it's the Cam Newton effect too. Cam Newton's effect on the overall running game was a big part of New England's success when they were successful on that side of the football. So I think you have to take in that account.


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[Assistant] And you know, I said to you early on in these quarterback countdowns, I think maybe I took presence and leadership and your effect on others, maybe a little bit more into account this year than I did other years. And okay, you know, maybe I'm bullish on Cam Newton compared to the rest, but I can sit here realistically and look at it and go, wait, it's a tough offense. As you've heard me talk about, you know, the offense itself,


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[Assistant] Not talented. I mean, for some reason, everybody knew, talked about that when Tom Brady was the quarterback, but with Cam Newton, it didn't quite get accentuated. It was kind of like, ah, screw it. You're supposed to be better. Why? Why? I mean, it was the same cast of characters minus Julian Edelman for half the year. Okay. And he doesn't know the system like Brady.


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[Assistant] So, it wasn't gonna be easy either way, even if he was better at the system. But then you talk about COVID and everything like that. Listen, that's real. I don't know what else to say. Everybody's gotta get over that.


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[Assistant] Go back and watch the first three games when he was in rhythm and the offense had a flow and everything like that. You saw a different guy than what came back after COVID where he really struggled at first, but then found his way. And I would also sit there and go to say, go, go through some games and you're going to go wait.


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[Assistant] Like I did, when you go through the Jets, or the Ravens, or some other games that, yea, maybe they won, or maybe even they lost, like the Bills game that was close. He plays the game perfect, like, Omin. He doesn't make one mistake in the game.


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[Assistant] I can watch those films of those games, maybe other than the Jets game where I go, ooh, he could have been maybe a little more aggressive on a few throws. But for the most part, some of these games I go,


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[Assistant] He literally could not have played more perfect. There was not one more guy open than what was there. He made that and more than what was there happen. Plus not making big mistakes. They had no room for error this football team.


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[Assistant] And that's where I defend him. So I understand. Yeaah, we gotta fix some of the passing things and that's a real issue. There's no doubt about that.


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[Assistant] But I, I guess I'm, I'm confident he's gonna fix those things cause of what I saw before COVID. And then there was enough inklings after he got back in the rhythm later in the year to make me feel that way too. And I'm also, hey, do I know things up in New England and things like that? Of course I do to a degree.


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[Assistant] Uh, but I also know how high of a regard they hold him in and what he does for their team and their foo- and then their locker room too. So that's where I'm high on Cam Noon.


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[Assistant] It was, but you know, they've told you some answers too. You know, again, this is where it like read between the tea leaves a little bit. You know, that's why they went out and got two new tight ends and two receivers. They weren't like, let's get two not two tight ends and two receivers cause Cam Newton sucks or like they went, no, we have to help Cam Newton.


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[Assistant] It's not realistic to ask for much better results than what we got with what we had last year.


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[Assistant] I mean, yeaah, I mean, I probably would have been better because he could have taken advantage of like more of the mental aspect of the offense because of all the years of being in it and there's just an endless rolodex of plays he has in his brain from that system. So that's where, but yes, they still would have had moments of struggling. There's no doubt about it.


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[Assistant] Right, yes, exactly right. Like if Brady was still there, I still think this would have been a year, ooh, they had money to spend, they were gonna get receivers and do that. You know? So, uh, I-I-I think, you know, your point is real.


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[Assistant] The bad was really bad and it all was of course right after, you know, he came back from COVID. He really lost his ability to throw the football there. So then you take that and also the, you know, the newness of the offense. Okay. Yeah. We're winning with a basic way.


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[Assistant] Okay, yes, you can win with a basic way in a lot against a lot of teams, but hey, there's going to be a few games where they're all over your basic stuff. Now you're going to be able to get a little more intricate in the passing game. He wasn't ready for that. Their offense wasn't ready for that in general.


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[Assistant] And that's where I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt.


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[Assistant] You know, okay, COVID, but you're a new place, you're learning things, you're dropping back, you're thinking of reads.


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[Assistant] You're also dropping back and, oh wait, you know, let me fix my little mechanical issues. There's things like that can compound you at a quarterback sit at a quarterback position and almost like.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, handcuff you to do a great. But his big thing, more than anything, that you'll see from last year, is too much of the front shoulder up. Like here, okay? So anybody watching on YouTube, it would be his left shoulder, it's gonna be my right shoulder. Really hiked up high.


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[Assistant] Like this, right? Can you see him stand in the pocket like this? Right? He gets zero front shoulder movement. Zero at times.


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[Assistant] He does. And it's amazing he gets some of these, I mean, me and my dad have marveled for years at going,


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[Assistant] I don't know how he does that. He just ROAR 30 yard rifle down the middle. And you're like the mechanics weren't good. He just muscled it down there.


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[Assistant] And that's where it's gotta change. So he does that, right? So that's like, you know, me and we talk about this a lot, right? You gotta get, you gotta get some front shoulder movement. There has to create opposites between the upper body and the lower body. He wouldn't do that.


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[Assistant] What he did to try to get that sensation, right? Now here I am. Please, if you're watching on YouTube, I'm explaining.


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[Assistant] If I'm throwing right at the camera and here's Cam Newton and the front shoulders really tucked up high, like first off, you can't really rotate when you have your shoulder jacked up into your right ear or your left ear like that, right? My right ear. You can't, you can't rotate. It's hard. Plus you have tension.


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[Assistant] How are you going to be real elastic and let the ball fly and go if you're like, I'm going to squeeze the crap out of this ball and break it. So he has that issue, which doesn't lend itself to rhythm and just being fluid throwing the football, but then to create the opposites because he's, he's trying to figure out some way.


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[Assistant] Here I am throwing at the camera, okay, and he's gonna throw the ball to 12 o'clock. We're standing in the middle of the clock again, right? Yep. Throw the ball to 12. He steps at 9 o'clock all the time.


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[Assistant] You know, for me it's three o'clock, cause I'm a lefty, but here it is, and it's a shoulders jack, and he's got throws where his leg is over here, and he's throwing it this way.


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[Assistant] Stepping at the sidelines, but throwing a, in the dead middle of the field, in-cut to Julian Edelman. And you're going, okay, yea, you completed it because you got talent and you're strong and you got a good hand.


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[Assistant] But, like, you're not going to be a machine throwing the football that way. You know, there's going to be days where all of a sudden...


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[Assistant] And that's where mechanics and rhythm and everything come into play. I've seen him do it before. He did it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's not his, it's not who he is. He just...


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[Assistant] He got into just like a golfer or a tennis player at times. He got into a little funk with his forehand or his driver and he's gotta figure out the mechanic that fits him or what his talking point is to literally fix that in his own brain. But I feel like you were saying that at the end of


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[Assistant] I was, well, 2019, well, we talked about 2019 was, I'm trying to think of my years here, uh, 2019 is, he didn't really play because he had the foot thing. And he talked about changing his mechanics because he had the shoulder surgery the year before.


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[Assistant] Which when 2018, again, we can go back and go, Oh, Cam Newton was through the first eight weeks of the year, one of the two or three best players in football. And then he tore his shoulder and.


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[Assistant] And because of that and this like COVID thing, it's, it's affected his rhythm of being a real good thrower. So hopefully he's had a full off season in this offense.


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[Assistant] Working on his mechanics to where he hits the ground running and there's nothing to halt it this year. Cause that's really been the big thing. It's like halt it, wait, let me figure it out, keep going. And then some people aren't as good when they have to come back after that little long stretch and then you get back in that rhythm.


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[Assistant] I'm going to go with Sam Darnold right here. Yeah. Hello. I'm a historian. My name is Chris Sims. I'm reading quarterback of the future. Bam. They're Sam Darnold. Yeah. I'm excited about Sam Darnold. I mean, we're going to see, we're going to get answers about Sam Darnold this year. Hey, he's a hard placement.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's a little bit of my own projection of what I think and all of that. I understand.


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[Assistant] Pretty bad year in New York. I know, but there's still like, when I went back and watched him, there's still plenty to like. You know, again, let's not be unrealistic. What did we really expect from Sam Darnold in that offense? That's the first thing I would tell people. I'm gonna go, you have him at 19.


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[Assistant] Did you see their offense or their record last year? Okay.


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[Assistant] What about it was, where, where did it go wrong? Was it the throwing to Braxton Barrios as your main target? Or throwing to Chris Hogan who's playing lacrosse and he was your main target for a few weeks? Like come on, like you've heard me say, you're surrounded by-


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[Assistant] Is still has to me all the physical attributes to be a big time franchise quarterback. I see it. I don't, I don't care about the results and the stats and the win loss. I can see it. You know, he is awesome in the pocket. He like.


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[Assistant] He's a scr- he scrambles within the pocket, which is like rare. It's almost like Big Ben back in his prime, where he used to just move around the pocket. But yeah, this guy can get outside the pocket and run.


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[Assistant] I mean, turn on the Broncos Thursday night game, 52 yard Russian touchdown down the middle of the field.


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[Assistant] Right down the middle of the field. The Broncos defense, which is pretty good. 52 yards running down the middle of the field. Asked Jeff Heath about Sam Darnold when he had a run in tackle him at the one yard line in the Raiders game and he ran him over for a touchdown. Sam Darnold has a little of everything to his football game.


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[Assistant] Now we just haven't been able to see it because they don't support him. He hasn't had that. But you heard me say, quick release, phenomenal intermediate thrower. I thought he got better at deep ball throwing last year. I think he is


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[Assistant] Really damn good in the pocket. Like really damn good. He's tough. He can throw under pressure.


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[Assistant] I'm dead serious. Think of a worse one than me, than them. I, I actually, because I didn't think about this, but now that you've posed a question to me, I think if we had to rank the worst skill group in football last year, the Jets were clearly 32nd or 1st, however you want to rate that.


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[Assistant] He's a future Hall of Famer. Yes, future Hall of Famer, yes, but not at the age of 74 like he was last year playing running backs.


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[Assistant] I think towards the top of football now, when you talk about.


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[Assistant] Harris Marshall, my guy who I thought was a first round pick from LSU, they got him. You got McCaffrey out of the backfield. I mean, to me, that's, that's as strong as it gets. You know, Ian Thomas, not a bad tight end. I can't remember their other tight end off the top of my head, but like,


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[Assistant] Top 10-ish. So if you want to grade, it's an, it's a, he's got a, he's got an A offense around him now.


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[Assistant] Everyone's falling off the boat now. They jumped off the bandwagon. Well, first off, the expectations were too high coming out. You know, he was a guy that was a genera- he was- all the Trevor Lawrence things were the real- what people said about Sam Lor- generational. I haven't graded anybody this high since Andrew Luck. It was all the same talk. Which was...


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[Assistant] You know, again, it was really good in college. Don't get me wrong. The thing I didn't like to answer the question specifically is I thought in Sam Darnold, really in college, it was


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[Assistant] All backyard football. That's when he was at his best. I didn't, I questioned his ability to be able to, is he going to be able to make power throws and dice you up from the pocket? That's where I didn't think he was on the level of Josh Allen or Baker Mayfield. I thought, woo, they're, and their arms to me, yeah, they're better than Sam Darnold's. But Darnold to me has shown enough.


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[Assistant] And as I, you always hear me talk about his consistency throwing the intermediate throws to me is where he's really special. He can really do it a lot of different ways. He has an extremely quick release. He doesn't lose control of the football whole lot. So I guess he's been a better, more consistent thrower.


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[Assistant] Then I thought maybe he could be, even though it's not going to look like that statistically.


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[Assistant] He's proven enough to me there that I go, yeah, I like that. And then the athlete is real too. I mean, it's, it's not like superstar athlete, but it's really good.


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[Assistant] What do I, I wanna say pocket plus. That's what he is. He's a pocket passer, but he's got some great scrambling abilities to make people miss and hop around and do things that way. There was something else I was gonna say, but I forgot.


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[Assistant] Now people have gone too far. It's overcorrection and then they're like, well, I don't know about this guy. No, I mean, yeah, you don't know about him. I mean, but, but we do know is that he's had no support. That's what we do know. And I am a believer again that


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[Assistant] You can win and you can go to the Super Bowl with Sam Darnold. I'm just saying that. And listen, here's, here's another thing. Don't forget this. There's teams that are going to trade for Sam Darnold.


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[Assistant] So, I mean, people wanted Sam Darnold. So that, that tells you how people view him too.


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[Assistant] I mean, you heard reports about, like, the 49ers thinking about it, the Denver Broncos. So I mean, the 49ers obviously think he's as good or better than Jimmy G.


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[Assistant] There's more physical ability. There's just more physical ability. And he has a better variety of throws than I thought he was going to be capable of coming out of college. And I think that's probably where I really like it. Just as far as touch.


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[Assistant] You know, he doesn't have a 100 mile per hour fastball, but he's got a 94, 95.


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[Assistant] And he can really flick it with his feet and legs in awkward positions. That's the other thing I like. So he's, he's hopping around and avoiding pressure and oh wait, there's a corner route that's about to pop open.


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[Assistant] You know, at the 11 o'clock hour here in the middle of the cl- I'm standing in the middle of the clock again. My feet are split, not in the right position, but let me just turn my shoulders and flick it out there. He can really do that, like, it's natural.


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[Assistant] That's a real storyline. And you know, I mean, of course, you know, I love my, love me some Zach Wilson.


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[Assistant] I've been around Sam enough to know that he is lying, okay? He is the kind of guy that will say and do all the right things.


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[Assistant] But has a chip on his shoulder. There's an edge about Sam Donald. I can speak to that personally. He'll be, he might have said that and then walked away. The media guy like for the Carolina Panthers could have been like.


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[Assistant] Oh, oh, oh yeaah, you're, you're, you know, you're excited about that chess game, and he's the kind of guy that'll be like,


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[Assistant] Like, you know, he's not going to say it publicly, but there's an edge to him that I really respect. And I think he's got the physical ability and the way he handles himself.


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[Assistant] To be an NFL big-time quarterback. I wish, I wish maybe he showed a little bit more emotion. Like that's the next thing I'll say. Like be a little bit more of, hey, you do this. Let's go guys. We got to be a little better there. Hope maybe he can grow into that with a little success. It's hard to be that guy or be that leader when your team never wins and you're not playing great ball, right? Uh, you can't really vocally


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[Assistant] Take over a team sometimes in that situation. He's got a chance here to win games, put up stats, and now let's see if he can kind of grow his presence and his leadership to go along with what I think is still a pretty damn good skill set.


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[Assistant] Carson Wentz, Carson Wentz, yes. Number 18, the Indianapolis Colts. And Carson Wentz, come on, anybody that's been following me knows how I feel about this guy. I mean, yeah.


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[Assistant] Last year was, was rough. We know that. But, I've seen enough in Carson Wentz's career too, cause, you know,


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[Assistant] Some of the people that have seen my list already in totality, right, the people at work, I've shown a few people here and there.


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[Assistant] He's one of the ones where they go, ooh, that might be too high for him. You might go low.


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[Assistant] I know, and I gotta, and I, and I have to go, well damn, I go, I, I know it wasn't good last year, but let's start back with this, wait, well we just had this conversation with Sam Darnold.


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[Assistant] Maybe other than late in the year, there's not a game on here other than Washington week one, which I don't know, even now looking back at it, where you go, Philly definitely should have won that game. They were better than those teams. Who were they better than? Who was he throwing to?


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[Assistant] The offense wasn't very good. They didn't run the ball. They have nobody to be scared of throwing the football. Now, he let the situation around him affect him last year. And it, and it, and it,


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[Assistant] Pushed him to make some poor decisions and then try to carry the team like he did the year before.


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[Assistant] You know, came back to bite him in the butt. Yeah. He was too reckless with the football. He was too, Oh, I'm going to make a play and carry the team here. It became everything was like a little like the Sean Watson a few years ago, where it's like, you felt like every time he dropped back, it was the last play of the game. You're like, something good is going to happen or it's going to be a disaster. What is it going to happen here?


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[Assistant] Also at the same point, we're talking about a guy that's got a good arm, he's a phenomenal athlete, he has great size, and even though the year wasn't great last year, I get that.