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[Assistant] Yeah. Well, let's talk about this guy.


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[Assistant] I mean, he's just injury-prone. That's, that's, I think. I would like to see him with the Jets. I think he'd be great right there.


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[Assistant] Well, here's the thing. Uh, well, one, I'm a 49er stan above anything else, so like nothing comes, you know, I, I loved Rock Party, uh, this, this season. He was a big one for me. I keep looking down at Jimmy Garoppolo as I have, I'm sorry, I have to have this conversation.


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[Assistant] But, uh, yeaah, I would be happy for him at the Jets. I just want him to, I think there's some good weapons there. They have a good defense. Obviously he has a good relationship with Robert Sala. I feel like that would be a good place for him. A nice, a nice franchise. I could see him living well in New York City as well.


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[Assistant] That was in Las Vegas. Let's get this train back on the track. Obviously, you know, anytime we talk about Jimmy G, I tend to go left here, but last, but certainly not least in these hypotheticals that we're talking about, Tony Pollard to the giants.


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[Assistant] This past year, Pollard Rush, for over a thousand yards, added nearly 400 more through the air. Would this be a good move for the Giants? I'll start with you, Brady.


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[Assistant] On our free agency hypotheticals here. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. This is the Pick Six podcast and we will see you Thursday for Pick Six Mailbag.


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[Assistant] Wearing a hat that says the Masters Tournament on it. I mean, like, I am, I am, I am, I know, I'm kidding.


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[Assistant] What's up everybody? Uh, yeah, look, this is, you know, this is one of those weeks where I am perfectly fine saying in a professional setting, I don't care about my job.


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[Assistant] My San Diego State Aztecs. Tonight, I guess it is. If you're listening. Mine too. Yeah. Plus 300. Let's go Aztecs. November.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I think that, um, I'm curious where you fall in this, Josh, too. I mean, as a Kentucky fan, you have to inherently be, you know.


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[Assistant] You know, into college basketball, even if your team is careened off a cliff into, you know, obscurity that, you know, I'm just kidding. Um, I think we're asking Josh about the, about, about Coach Cowell, who I desperately wish would come to Raleigh.


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[Assistant] You want to hear a confession? I got a confession that I hate. Uh, Matthew was 92.


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[Assistant] Oh, this is like Antoine. God, I love Antoine Walker, Walter McCarty, Ron Mercer.


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[Assistant] Tony Delk. I mean, just a friggin like Nazir Mohammed. I mean, how many NBA players are on this freaking 96 Kentucky team, man? My God.


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[Assistant] One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine future NBA players on the roster of a single college basketball team. I mean that team absolutely.


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[Assistant] Smoked. All right. So here's the, here's the fire. Here's the scores. 110 to 72 is the one seed.


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[Assistant] 84 to 60 of Revatech, the nine seed, 101 to 70 against, I believe Rick Majeris is number four seeded Utah team. They beat a number two Wake Forest team, which almost certainly had Tim Duncan on it and probably Randolph Childress by 20 points in the regional final. And then


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I'm looking at this, uh, Wake Forest team. Duncan, Rusty Le Roux.


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[Assistant] But no, uh, no Randolph Chilters. He was going by them and it'd be a Tim Duncan, a Tim Duncan wake team. And then took care of number four Syracuse, uh, in the, in the final to win the title.


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[Assistant] Rick Pitino, back in the big, back in the big games. That Kentucky team was good. So the confession I was going to make is that I grew up a Duke fan. That's not the confession. Um, although it could be.


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[Assistant] Like, I mean, like, you know, grew up around here, like love Duke, like love, like, like, like, you know, college basketball is everything around here in North Carolina. Um, I didn't actually watch the Cranthill to Christian Leightner shot.


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[Assistant] So I actually missed maybe like the greatest college basketball game of all time because I'm featuring the team that I like.


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[Assistant] Uhm, let's see. Let's see if we can figure this out. Uhm, you're too young for it. What? You're almost 10. It's not like I was...


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[Assistant] The great, arguably the greatest college basketball all the time. And I was watching like my cousin Jay performance a play up in like North Wilkes-Barre. I was furious when I came out of there. It was like, cause you couldn't like check on your phone.


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[Assistant] The refs were terrible down the stretch, and San Diego State blew like some, like,


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[Assistant] Really easy free throw opportunities and then got those offensive rebounds and then had some really bad play calling late and then all of a sudden just whoop. That's how it was incredible. Anyway, uhm.


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[Assistant] We're talking draft odds on this pod. I don't know if they do that on with the first pick.


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[Assistant] I don't even know who hosts that show or who like, you know, I know Rick Spielman is maybe on there. Never heard of it before. Yeah. Uh, Brian S.T. is S.Millson. Um, I can't remember.


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[Assistant] I love Ryan Wilson. I've been podcasting and writing with Ryan Wilson since like, since 1991 basically.


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[Assistant] They have great analysis. Like Josh, Josh has a great job over there too.


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[Assistant] Oh boy, I think this is a tough one. So I think Will Levis and Anthony Richardson should be flipped in this. Levis was like 41, has come down to 14 to one. I don't think that at 14 to one, he is a good bet. We've seen from.


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[Assistant] The person at the Athletic had a similar report, but I'd have to confirm that it really matters. Essentially, the Panthers are picking between CJ Stroud and Bryce Young.


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[Assistant] I think Josh that this is pretty, should, makes, it makes, it makes sense because you have two guys in Stroud and Young who are more out of the box, ready to perform at an NFL level.


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[Assistant] Then a Richardson or maybe a Levis and like, I'm not saying Levis can't come in and be an NFL caliber started quarterback. It's just that you see his accuracy on the short and intermediate routes and that definitely gives you some pause as to whether you could win right away with him. Um, you've heard the, you know, we know David Tepper is not patient.


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[Assistant] You know, he may be, you know, he's got a new coach and, and you gave him a lengthier deal and he's going to get Frank, right. The ability to try and.


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[Assistant] Develop a quarterback and to get the best quarterback possible. Frank Reich also said that he and Scott Fitterer will have the final say on who they're going to take, so it won't be a David Tepper decision. If it's a David Tepper decision, I think it brings Richardson and Levis much more to play than it would if it's just Frank Reich and Scott Fitterer making the call. Now, Fitterer was in Seattle when


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[Assistant] So and I think this is where, this is an interesting, you know, if you look at the trends.


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[Assistant] Five, is that? When he was an offensive coordinator because he had Philip Rivers.


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[Assistant] In, um, in, in San Diego, and then he had Carson Wentz, who was a started quarterback when he took over, when he came to Philadelphia with Doug Peterson. And then when he went to, uh, the Colts, he had Luck and then Brissette and then Rivers and then Wentz and Matt Ryan.


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[Assistant] So the question is Josh, do you buy into the trend of


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[Assistant] Frank Reich's, the quarterback height for Frank Reich's starting quarterbacks over his tenure as an OC and a head coach when it comes to making this decision, because the Vegas odds certainly point that way with CJ Stroud meeting that height requirement, but not by Schultz.


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[Assistant] And one of the things, Steve, if you, if you're building out a, I'm trying to make sure that all these guys, like Philip Rivers, I'm gonna put it at the height, yea, 6'5", Carson Wentz, I'm sure is 6'5".


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[Assistant] The other thing about Will Levis too, he kind of reminds me of Carson Wentz. That's the sort of thing that keeps ringing in the back of my mind. Like if Frank Reich is like really...


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[Assistant] Like Frank Reich, I mean, he went to war with, with multiple teams. It was really like put his reputation and his job on the line eventually. Like it did cost him his job basically.


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[Assistant] Cause he got so pissed off about it that he fired him basically for like bringing in Carson Wentz.


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[Assistant] Uhm, not Ryan64, so I think maybe it's 63 or taller. Uhm, yeaah, I just...


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[Assistant] I think that it's one of those things where if you are, if you're betting on the draft, you have to sort of learn how to.


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[Assistant] Particularly with several weeks to go before the draft, you have to look, you have to decide like how you want to build out a portfolio, especially as it relates to the number one overall pick. So like you don't want to.


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[Assistant] Throw a bunch of money on CJ shroud minus two 50. You get a rumor.


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[Assistant] No, I'm not dogging on Caesars here, but Caesars don't have any knowledge about who's going first overall. These are reactionary markets to rumors and there's no bigger rumor mill than the NFL draft. In fact, we even had, you know, a situation in 2019


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[Assistant] Where Josh Allen was basically minus 250 and Sam Darnold was plus 220 and Baker Mayfield was 48 plus 850 14 to 1 the morning of the draft and then you get a tweet from Adam Schefter that's like.


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[Assistant] The Browns have zoomed in, like have centered their search, you know, whatever it is like the old woes tweets where it's like,


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[Assistant] Several, several weeks now and like focusing on it, you could have better CJ shroud numbers. What you want to do is have plus numbers on several guys.


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[Assistant] Uhm, well it depends on like when the favorite, like, so for instance, uh,


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[Assistant] Well, um, David Taze of the pod will recall that last year, Aiden Hutchinson, I believe was the heavy favorite to go number one overall. And then something happened.


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[Assistant] Around a couple of weeks out and Trayvon Walker got slipped to the favorite. Who's to say what happened?


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[Assistant] Uh, whether it was a, you know, somebody releasing a mock draft or.


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[Assistant] I don't know, someone having inside information and that being passed around and people smashing Trayvon Walker at great numbers. Who's to say? I wouldn't know. Um, Trevor Lawrence was like,


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[Assistant] Minus 3000 at this point. And that was even like free money. Cause he was, you know.


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[Assistant] I think burrow around this point was probably minus 500. It had just sort of become a thing where everyone knew that they were going to take burrow at one.


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[Assistant] Kyler, I don't remember the exact odds, but I definitely bet some.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Nick Bosa got some bad information there won't tell you who did that Williams


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[Assistant] Uhm, in, in that person's offense, the bad information was...


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[Assistant] Baker, Baker that, you know, Baker was not the favorite until the morning. I told like about 10 o'clock the morning of 10 a.m. the morning of that draft. Miles Garrett, a heavy favorite. Uhm, I believe, right? Because the Browns weren't going to take Trubisky. I can't remember what the...


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[Assistant] Golf, once the Rams moved up, traded up, became a huge favorite, but you could have gotten him at a, probably a pretty good number. And I, I don't remember even betting on, really draft props might have sort of started and.


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[Assistant] Sort of like the, the crescendo of the draft props are really more like 2018, I think.


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[Assistant] Or the beginning of the crescendo was like 2018. So to answer your question, it's, it's, it's very draft dependent and like, it depends on the team up top and what their needs are and what the draft class is.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and Houston fits so like, whereas the Panthers are, even if the Panthers aren't ready to win right now, I think that the Panthers probably believe.


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[Assistant] That they can win right now based on the division where that like everything with, you know.


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[Assistant] The saints and Derek Carr are your biggest obstacle to overcome, assuming that you're the bucks or the Falcons don't go get Lamar Jackson, right? Um, you have.


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[Assistant] You know, we're Aaron Rodgers somehow, which seems extremely unlikely, but still you get the point. Carolina has pieces on defense.


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[Assistant] They went out and got, look at, like, look at the, look at the past catchers they went out and got, right? Adam Thielen, Hayden Hurst, um, DJ Chark, these are like veteran guys who were


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[Assistant] Who they expect to start right away and to win right away. That is not this. These are, these are not the moves of a team that.


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[Assistant] Is a team that has added a lot of veteran, they're sort of building in a very Belichick-Casereo type of way this offseason, bringing in veteran defensive players. They have enough on offense.


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[Assistant] They bolstered, you know, they traded Brandon Cooks, but they sort of bolstered, uh, the pass catching core. They have a nice running back room, um, with, uh, David Pearson, now Devin Singletary.


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[Assistant] So you could kind of make the case for Houston being a team that like, Hey, like, Hey, like, Hey, maybe we're a year away.


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[Assistant] Maybe we're not ready to win right now. And I'm not saying that they think that, just like, you could make that case.


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[Assistant] If that, you know, if that's what they're doing, then Levis or Richardson make more sense. Cause Richardson, I think universally, everyone believes he needs to sit for a year. Now let's talk to Chip Patterson about this on Friday. We wouldn't have lunch. What's that?


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[Assistant] I'm going back there later, but nevertheless, um, you know, she was like, she's like, dude, he just, he went dog and Richard should just like, you know, everyone like sees the potential and yet.


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[Assistant] You know, you're taking a big risk. You're just assuming he's gonna be Josh Allen too.


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[Assistant] I mean, if there's going to be a coach and a GM who are capable of finding out.


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[Assistant] An honest assessment of Bryce Young and his ability to perform and stay healthy and to process and to do all those things at the NFL level.


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[Assistant] You know, it's the Houston Texans. If it's not the Patriots, it's the Houston Texans, right?


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[Assistant] I have John Betcher on the roster. They drafted last year. That's a great point. I think who else? And if you look at, um, I was looking at this, uh, actually last week, I was kind of surprised by it. Do you know how many non power five players the Houston Texans have drafted in the last three draft classes?


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[Assistant] So in other words, a player from a non-Power 5 conference, but this is not an unusual thing that NFL teams draft P5 players. I mean, you see more exposure. So instead of making you like sit around and guess, the answer is one.


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[Assistant] And it was Isaiah Coulter out of Rhode Island, fifth round pick at 2020.


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[Assistant] Now they didn't have first round picks in either 2020 or 2021 because of the Laramie Tunsel trade. Uhm, but you know, you see like LSU, A&M, Baylor, Bama, Bama, back to back Bama. Interesting.


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[Assistant] Florida, Stanford, Oregon State, LSU, Stanford, Michigan, Miami, TCU, Arizona, TCU, Florida, North Carolina, Penn State, Rhode Island. Like, this is a team that is, this is a franchise that has focused their drafts on P5 players. They took multiple Alabama guys last year. They took


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[Assistant] One, two, three, four, five, six of their nine players were from the SEC. And I mean, these trends don't guarantee anything.


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[Assistant] Right. But if you're, you know, if you're, if you're looking for, if you're looking for connections to an Alabama quarterback, it ain't hard to find them with the Houston Texans, which is why Bryce Young is a favorite. If you're betting CJ Stroud to go.


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[Assistant] First overall, or second overall, you should just bet Bryce Young at plus 220 to go first overall because those two are probably correlated. So.


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[Assistant] I'm not playing the 220. I don't hate the idea of taking a look at the Richardson here just in case they want the upside to get an SEC guy. Uh, but Bryce Young certainly feels like pretty good bet to go second overall here.


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[Assistant] The two looks here, by the way, Johnson, as, as Josh points out, you talk about the size, like he's the only guy on this list of the top five receivers. That's over six feet tall. Like, like there's two, I think, um, Hyatt and.


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[Assistant] As far as, like, 5'10". I mean, so in other words, there's only one guy who's got the actual size of...


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[Assistant] You know, a, a prototypical number one, like a lot of these guys, you know, Josh Downs, who's not even done me make this list. I don't know how far down downs is, but like, you know, he's like, again, you know, slot style receiver. I'm not saying all these guys are going to be like that. It's just, you know, you,


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[Assistant] Size is important to NFL teams. They want, you know, they want the


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[Assistant] Um, okay, you really are falling into the host role here. Um, the, uh, look, the.


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[Assistant] Like you, you want, I mean, six four is a huge difference as a wide receiver between six, six feet tall and six four. You're talking about like, if you get a.


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[Assistant] Jalen, you know, Jalen Ramsey style, you know, or a, uh, you know, a soft skirt, like you're getting a one-on-one matchup against a quarterback. Yes, you could beat, you could beat a quarterback, you know, like that with speed on the inside and cutting it. But like, can you move, can you move certain white, like Josh Downs, for instance, I don't think teams will look at him and say, can you move him outside? You know, you're going to play him in the slot.


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[Assistant] You know, that's a hard projection to make on how a college player is going to go, is going to project as a number one receiver. Remember, you know, your hazards are closer. You know, you have less room to operate. You're going up against elite talent on the outside. Whereas in college, you know, you could draw some, you know, some dude.


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[Assistant] Every week, you know, just because of how it works out. And to Josh's point, you know, you start looking at where this first receiver is going to come off the board. I mean.


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[Assistant] It's gonna, it's gonna be the under own receivers in the first round is probably a good look. Like who's the first team that's going to take a wide receiver? Obviously Carolina Houston.


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[Assistant] I think you can make the case of Green Bay at 15, especially as like an F U to Rogers.


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[Assistant] I don't think New England at 14, New England at 14 is certainly live for that as well.


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[Assistant] And they want, they, they have to know they need speed down the field. And, you know, they've been terrible at identifying what wide receivers they want to bring in. Um, I think Houston at 12 is a sneaky one too, where you, you add a wide receiver to pair with a quarterback that you take at number two. Presumably, presumably they do that. Um, Philly, for the love of God, Ali Rezman, don't do it. Uh, such.


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[Assistant] Yeah, an elite guy out of the out of the box, but like if you threw like a zay flowers in there with Traylon Burks and you have Derek Henry and.


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[Assistant] Uh, but like if you added another receiver in the first round, Tennessee, you would feel a little more comfortable with what they had on offense. So I think, I think that 10 or that 11 to 15 range is where you would really start seeing a wide receiver come off the board. Seattle at 20 is not a, not a crazy idea at all.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Baltimore, you have to think could consider another wide receiver early. Um, little throat, the Lamar bone, the giants.


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[Assistant] There's just not a ton of landing spots. I think Kansas City is always live to take a wide receivers at 31. Um, especially like a, a Josh Downs or somehow Zay Flowers is there. But to Josh's point, I would be looking at both Quentin Johnson and Zay Flowers as, as the bets to make here. Like I think this market is badly skewed. Even if, you know, Jackson Smith,


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[Assistant] Is the guy and he's the number one, like I think minus 200 is too much. There's like, there's way too much.


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[Assistant] There's a difference in what teams need and what type of receiver these teams might take. And the like, teams just might love it. Zayflowers is a dude.


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[Assistant] Like, I think Z-Fire's a stud. I mean, I watch a lot of him. He is, he's incredible. Quentin Johnson.


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[Assistant] I think it should probably be more like even money for Jackson Smith. And then if I were betting this, I would have action on both Quinton Johnson and Zane Flanagan, I think to go first. And if, if scroll down a little bit, Billy, if Josh Downs is anything over like 20 to one, I would consider that too. If he's not on there, don't worry about it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I agree. And it's like, look again, Josh Downs is your guy.


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[Assistant] And I just kept back to him because he's so slot heavy. Like he's 90 something percent of the slot at Carolina, I think. If not, it might be 100% honestly. And if you draft him,


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[Assistant] You're, you know, you're going to get him on punt returns and kick returns and all that stuff. That's great. That's a huge addition. And I think he's a dynamic player and I think he's going to be a very good NFL player.


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[Assistant] But you are not going to, you run the risk of him not being on the field on every single snap. And if you're using a top 15-20 pick on that, like that's, you know, that's something that NFL teams are definitely going to consider.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's, I think that's the perfect analysis here is that Will Anderson's probably more than likely the first defensive player off the board just because he's, you know, doesn't have the stuff, you know, the offfield stuff that Jalen Carter has. I don't think Seattle personally, like, dude, you look at Jalen Carter's like, like, have you seen his mock draftable chart? It only has four things. It's like hand size, arm length, weight and height. And it, but it's like a perfect diamond, which is, you know, I mean, again,


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[Assistant] These things are, there's all kinds of different, you know, stuff that you can look into, but you just look at like Tyree Wilson's sort of profile.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Tucker Charlton, not as, you know, exciting, of course, but, uh, you know, then you go and look at well Anderson and came on tibbido pops up as one, but like, you know, there's just some.


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[Assistant] It feels like maybe a four ceiling discussion, right? But I think Seattle, if, if Jalen Carter and Will Anderson are both there, Seattle at five, and there's a very good, like,


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[Assistant] There's a really good chance that somebody trades the three with the Cardinals who desperately need talent across the board. Have a new GM, have a new head coach.


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[Assistant] You have to figure out what they're, you know, that they trade out of that spot.


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[Assistant] And I think somebody has been pointed out that will Anderson, maybe not a great fit with that Jonathan Gannon scheme. So.


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[Assistant] You can have a situation where if you take both Jalen Carter and Tyree Wilson at eight to one.


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[Assistant] That you haven't sort of covered if, if the Cardinals trade out and then five is the first pick where the Seahawks again.


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[Assistant] But it isn't Will Anderson because they don't think he's the right scheme fit. Like they're not gonna, you know, if, we have to assume the Texans and the Panthers are gonna take a quarterback at one or two, right? If they do that, then, you know, the culture at four,


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[Assistant] And if you want to get either Will Levis or Anthony Richardson and guarantee yourself you get them, you have to trade up to three.


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[Assistant] More likely to trade out at a discounted price, not saying that they'll do it for free, but you know that like they know what they, they know what they need in terms of


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[Assistant] And you got a Monty awesome for type. He's coming from, you know, has a new England background, right? Right. Like crazy. He doesn't know about, or is your Tennessee background.


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[Assistant] You know what New England GM's like, you know, New England Belichick protege's like to do? Trade down. Like it makes a ton of sense in Arizona would trade out of that spot.


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[Assistant] And that they would let somebody come up and get Levis or Anthony Richardson before the Colts could get him. It makes a ton of sense that they would trade out of that spot with the Colts moved to four.


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[Assistant] And then let somebody come up and get the fourth pick for a quarterback, whoever's left because the Seahawks are at five and have been out there flaunting it.


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[Assistant] I think it's a really, really reasonable case that Seattle is just making that first pick at five, first non quarterback pick and that Jalen Carter and, and, um, and, uh, uh, Tyree Wilson could both go above Will Anderson. And then, you know, you have, I guess it's six, you'd have Detroit sprinting to get Will Anderson. I don't know. Interesting. Yeah. Anyway, that's, that's what I thought there.


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[Assistant] Is there any chance they go offensive lineman here? 14 to 1 at Caesars to go offensive lineman. We've seen them, you know, they took Charles Cross last year. Uh, the last time they had two first round picks, they went with Earl Thomas first and then took Russell O'Koon as a follow up on that first round pick.


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[Assistant] I mean, you're just sort of wondering, like you look at where the Seahawks are picking, right? And they have, they have six or five and 20.


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[Assistant] Again, at five, if Arizona goes Will Anderson, there's a chance to see all straight back.


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[Assistant] You know, if the Colts take a quarterback and then Anthony Richardson still on the board in Detroit, Vegas and Atlanta right there, you know, if, you know.


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[Assistant] I agree. I agree in the sense that like minus 200 is just not worth it to lay the defensive lineman slash edge. So you take the, you know, that's, that's, that includes a lot of guys, right? You're not getting any, you know, you're.


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[Assistant] You're getting a little more expansive pool of players but you're not getting very much value at minus 200 plus 250 for quarterback is too short.


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[Assistant] I don't hate defensive back at six to one if they felt like they needed to add some more cornerbacks, but you know, traditionally they've waited to draft cornerbacks. So I guess offensive lineman.


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[Assistant] Would be my value pick, but I'm just not sure if there's a guy that they, is there a guy that they would take at six there?


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[Assistant] Yeah. So like Peter Skowronski. Wow. What a good way to pronounce the name. Right. That's exciting.


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[Assistant] Um, is definitely considered, it's like first try to, is definitely considered a guy that would move, is a possibility to move on to the inside, right, Josh? Like, I mean, that's, so that would fit what the CLX want to do. But to your point, like, Quentin Nelson was a, about as a blue chip guard prospect as they come. Like,


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[Assistant] You don't see that type of prospect come along very often at that position. You gotta be that guy.


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[Assistant] To warrant a selection in the top 10 as a guard, I think. And so.


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[Assistant] Drafting a guy who played tackle that you're projecting a move to the interior, even if you're a run-based team like Seattle that wants to


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[Assistant] Improve the offensive line would be, I think would be a surprise at five.


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[Assistant] So yeah, trade down, I think trade down to.


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[Assistant] Like 11 and grabs, Kuranski is sort of your, what you need to happen for the offensive lineman. A 14 to 1 is probably not a great look for that. Yeah, I think no value on Seattle.


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[Assistant] I think there's, I think there's good value here at, uh, defensive lineman slash edge for the Raiders at plus 375. You know, you look at Jalen, I mean, Jalen, uh, Chandler Jones contract. And I mean, he obviously disappointment in 2022.


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[Assistant] After 2023, they can't come in this year because they wouldn't get any money. But you know, if you, let's say you get Tyree Wilson there.


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[Assistant] And you grab Tyree Wilson, if you, if he falls, cause I will understand goes three, the quarterbacks are taken. Um, you know, Jalen Carter goes, Taylor Jones, you saved.


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[Assistant] 12.2 million dollars in salary cap space if you cut it after the 2023 season, like he's, and then there's just two, I think, void years, uh, on the backend or two option years, whatever it is. Like he's probably getting cut after this season. Um, you know, he's going to be 34 or 30, you know, be turning 34. So like there's, they've signed Max Kroll as we do extension.


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[Assistant] But there's going to be a void at some point in the next year on the other side where they want to rush the pasture and you're in a division that has Russell Wilson, Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert.


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[Assistant] Like you can't afford to be short on pass rush if you're in a division with those three quarterbacks. You know, assuming we get Russ comes back to some kind of semblance of, of, you know, not being a total bust.


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[Assistant] So I, I think, I think edge here is a really good value at plus 375 because everyone's sort of focused on them taking a quarterback and yet, you know, like Jimmy G. I mean, why is he not, why is he a, he's not a one year bridge solution. I don't think, I mean, this is a guy that, you know, has played good ball.


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[Assistant] He's a lifetime contract. That's what Jimmy G is. Yeah, I just, I just think that I just think you're looking at a guy that.


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[Assistant] Like a defensive lineman is definitely a source of need. I mean, they could go secondary too, but I think defensive lineman at almost four to one is good value.


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[Assistant] Now, having said that, they can cut Jimmy G after the season 2, so I mean, like, you know, you never, I mean.


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[Assistant] So one of the things I think you need to look at when you're talking about what a team, what a team might specifically do to draft is.


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[Assistant] Like, one, what are their needs, obviously? And then two, like, what is their draft history? Like, what is, what have we seen from a particular front office? Well, if you look at the Lions, uhm, like, is it Chris Spielman, who's like their,


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[Assistant] It was basically like they're, no, he's not their GM obviously, but he's like got a heavy hand in this and Dan Campbell, they have been.


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[Assistant] So the question for me with Alliance becomes do they feel they built enough in the trenches that they can now go and grab


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[Assistant] Use an early pick on someone on the back end of the defense. I don't know if they necessarily trust.


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[Assistant] Going corner back that early, but certainly like a Christian Gonzalez could work if they wanted to add somebody in the secondary. They need to add people in the secondary. Um, you know, we're just seeing the only non.


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[Assistant] First or second round pick that they've used and they've had several of them because they had two first rounders last year.


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[Assistant] Like, uh, Jameson Williams is the only non-trench guy that they've used a first or second round pick on the last two years. So.


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[Assistant] You also, you can look at it and note that most of their guys are coming from Power 5 schools. I just think that's worth noting. And again, we see that a lot with these teams, but uhm, I'm a little hesitant to say that quarterback would be the answer. It definitely, it definitely makes the most sense.


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[Assistant] I think you could probably spring. I don't think they go offensive lineman running back or wide receiver wide receiver. No, I think it's either defensive back or defensive or defensive lineman slash edge and


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[Assistant] It kind of stinks that they're both minus money, which, come on, Caesar, there was a bone here, but you could, you could reasonably put like two units on each one of those and feel like you were probably covered.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, and also, disrespectful of you not to mention Lee McNeil, so I will, but, uh,


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[Assistant] Olympic is sick by the way, but I mean, I think you're right. Like there's, it is, you know, they have, they've invested a lot of resources, um,


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[Assistant] I don't think it's out of control that they would continue to invest there and believe that the defensive line is what is going to create, uh,


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[Assistant] Good play for the secondary. We see NFL teams do this all the time. They just load up the front and let the back end become better because of that.


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[Assistant] What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Pixix Podcast. CBS Sports Daily NFL Podcast. I'm Robert Centeno, your host. Joining me to talk about the NFL Combine, the one, the only longtime pod, longtime friend of the pod, uh, borderline super friend, Josh Edwards. What's up, buddy? How you doing?


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[Assistant] I do, I feel like Billy has snuck a little monocle into the title, a little monocle emoji. What's your favorite emoji, Josh?


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[Assistant] I do actually find it suspicious. Actually, no, I don't, I don't find it suspicious that Josh is not a big emoji guy. I could see you. I mean, if you're, you're a straightforward man of a.


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[Assistant] The best is like with Ryan Wilson when he's like, he's like...


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[Assistant] Alright, anyway, uhm, I was trying to explain to somebody over the weekend how, uhm,


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[Assistant] Like this, uh, actually, I think I've told this story several times, but it's like,


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[Assistant] Sometimes they're asking me like what the pod is about and it's like, well, usually football.


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[Assistant] I mean, were you, I can't remember, uh, we did one, I don't think he said it on air.


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[Assistant] He's like, so is this, you know, he's like, this is the least rambly of all the shows that you do versus it's worse than everybody else. I was like, no, you're by far the worst. Like when I say worse, I mean, just like most likely guess to like take me off into like a space cadet tangent that like, yeah, yeah, that's right. Dom has it correct. It's football with a bit of snark and many tangents.


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[Assistant] Yes, it's snarky football coverage is always the best way to describe it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, look, I said from Jump Street, man, I was like, look, I'm going to be me. And, and I mean, you know, you get to go with the bat sometimes, sometimes the football coverage is okay. And sometimes the, uh, there's, there's plenty of snark. Hit the like button if you're watching.


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[Assistant] On YouTube, uh, make sure to turn on alerts. You're getting notified when we go live. Uh, this is a good time of the year actually to have alerts on for this podcast because.


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[Assistant] We, and this is true, like this is not a humble brag. Uhm, we are the originators of the Emergency Podcast.


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[Assistant] Many, many duplicators. Many have done it better, but we are the first. You know, we're like the slanket, the snuggie. Or is it the snuggie? Which one is first? Which one was first? Remember?


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[Assistant] Everybody knows about the Snuggie. The slang kit was actually first.


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[Assistant] Wow. But the blanket people were bad at marketing and therefore the Snuggie eventually won out and took over and won the day. So.


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[Assistant] It was, it was cited, uhm, I saw this on Twitter, it was a comic saying, apparently, it was reporting that Bryce Young is gonna, like, like, like, like.


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[Assistant] Measure, measure. I was going to say weigh in. You don't weigh in on your height. Uhm, it's going to like measure, like, shorter than people even thought. Uhm, let me ask you this Josh, before we sort of get into that comparison. Should we care about Bryce Young's height?


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[Assistant] I, I, I understand that like it's more, like it's usually more like anomalous, you know. But most of the time it is...


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[Assistant] The NFL likes tall quarterbacks. The NFL does not like short quarterbacks. Uh, Russell Wilson kind of changed that, but then, uh, in like Baker Mayfield, you know, went first overall and Drew Brees obviously was the founder or not. He's the forefather of all this, but, um, like,


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[Assistant] Interesting. I mean, that's a very viable concern because like, you know, you talk about


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[Assistant] You mentioned Jalen Hurts. I mean, I always think, I always, I always reference his quote that somebody, some, I can't remember who it was, a Scouter GM or what it was, to Ryan Wilson said that he was the best running back in the Big 12 coming into the draft. And it wasn't an insult. It was like this dude.


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[Assistant] You know, Russell Wilson, smaller, but a very thick frame. Like Russ has always actually got real thick last year. No, I'm not. No judgment, obviously. Never judging by for.


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[Assistant] But also if he has to take contact, he is built differently.


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[Assistant] Bryce Young, uh, by the way, the McShea quote was, if I'm a GM, I'm scared to death of drafting him. His real height is five, 10 and a half, according to McShea. Brady Quinn.


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[Assistant] As said, like, I mean, I mean, I don't want to over exaggerate what he, what he pointed out, but Brady, like.


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[Assistant] I think he, and we're saying this is as prospects, right? When I say this, not as like what we know now. I think he basically had him behind only Joe burrow as a.


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[Assistant] As a, as like a prospect in terms of just a pure passion. He said, when I'm feeling down, I go watch Pryshon Tape. Like, I mean, so that's, that's the, this was fascinating about this draft too.


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[Assistant] It's a freaking dime. I mean, it's ridiculous. And it does look, to me, this is like the Steph Curry style throw where it's sort of, you know, you boot him out a little bit on the play action and then you just put it deep and it just flies out of his hand.


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[Assistant] Josh rose up a little bit there. I want to point out that, um, what we wish for that to come back, uh, that.


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[Assistant] That's kind of, it's not very big. It's just not very big. Uh, I met with him and talked to him especially. He's different. He has a poison. I absolutely love him. I would bet on him. In his next breath, McShay concedes, if I'm a GM, I'm scared to death of drafting him. So I mean, that's kind of a bit like, I mean, it's a, a little bit juxtapositional or paradoxical or some, some other word like that. Um, the, uh, Brear.


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[Assistant] Cause he had, he had, he does it, it's an MMQB column and he had, he makes me, he's like.


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[Assistant] Talking to Jeremiah and, and, and, uh, and Michelle about these, about these prospects and trying to figure out, you know, what, like what they bring to the table. I mean, this is probably, I don't know if this is like a bias thing for me, but I just cannot ever.


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[Assistant] Like I just, I just have a thing against Ohio State quarterbacks. I don't know if it's cause I got dragged by Shelly Meyer on Twitter one time and I just don't like Ohio State. Or if it's like actually a thing where, you know, I think sometimes you see coming out of that system.


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[Assistant] You just don't see it translate to the NFL very often at all. Justin Fields, totally different animal, totally different beast, like I don't want to...


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[Assistant] I don't want to get into the whole Justin feels thing because that didn't work out very well last week. People got mad about it. Um, but yeah.


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[Assistant] His production was largely on the ground last year, you know, and, and he broke out by running the football and they, the kid, look, the, the bears came to do a skillset and that's great. Um, that's what you want in an offense. You want Luke Getzi, the OC to be, you know, doing stuff that incorporates the best possible skillset.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, Ford adjusted fields tight, but at the same time, it's not like fields, you know, just lit up, lit things up in the passing game. And I will concede that his offensive line was due to, and, uh, and his receivers not exactly great, particularly when Stornel Moody went down. So.


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[Assistant] About a high-state quarterback, so I waited for you to come back. Cause quite frankly, if you were like, tell me what you like about Will Levis, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be ready to do that right now. And that's, you know, that's on me, but you know, you know how it is with the draft, like.


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[Assistant] Like you draft, draft gurus, like Ryan Wilson better know everything about Will Lovis right now. I got, I got a little wiggle room. Uhm.


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[Assistant] Any other thoughts you want to add on Stroud or Young before we move on to the other guys?


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[Assistant] I don't have any plans to go. I should go. Although I don't like, I don't like that they change the times of the workouts.


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[Assistant] I'm not a morning person. I think everybody is fully aware of that. Um, but the, um, like I just, I don't like the cause now, but are they, are the quarterbacks still going to be throwing in prime time this year? Do they move it down to like three o'clock? I thought I saw the schedule. It looks a little different.


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[Assistant] I don't want to complain about the combine and how they change it because it's the combine. It is what it is. Like it's a literal like meat market where you know a bunch of dudes put on their underwear and uhm.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and compete in like drills that ultimately don't matter for like what they're going to do later in life, but uhm.


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[Assistant] Everybody's sort of in, in like the, uh, can say, I don't, I don't know, man. I mean, I, maybe I'm just, I'm just an old jaded old.


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[Assistant] You know what my favorite, my favorite part about Indianapolis, my favorite place in Indianapolis is, and like, you can only go once per trip, really, because you're, it's Nicky, have you ever been to Nicky Baines?


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[Assistant] Dark red leather and you know, steely dance playing and you're just, everyone's just chiefing cigars and drinking like bourbon and scotch. And you had just the time of your life. You can't talk the next day and you have to throw away whatever coat or sweater you were wearing because it just like, you can't put it back in your suitcase.


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[Assistant] I mean, you're just going to, it just reeks of cigars. I, uh, I won't reveal the name of the person, but one time I went to Nicky Blaine's and, uh, well, you know, I'm not going to tell the story.


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[Assistant] Anthony Richardson moved to seven to one on FanDuel to go first overall. He was still like 30 or 50 to one in a bunch of other places. And these combat, like these, these interval draft props and the embedding onto these things are wildly variable and they're almost inherently, um, uh, like reactive, not predictive. You know, it's like so-and-so does a mock draft. So-and-so moves up.


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[Assistant] If Daniel Jeremiah mentioned somebody and then you see that that prospect of flying up, what do you think about this Anthony Richards tonight? Because the dude is an electric athlete, maybe not exactly a polished passer quite yet there, right?


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[Assistant] Like if you could make a nice young skill set into Anthony Richardson's body, you would have a, like a generational prospect.


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[Assistant] It is actually pretty remarkable how terrible the entire world is evaluating quarterbacks and like, and predicting, like predicting who's going to be the best, who's going to be, who's going to make the best transition to the NFL. I mean, it's, it's, it's people, people call it an inexact science. I mean, that is wildly underselling it. It is, we are so bad at it and.


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[Assistant] And it's not like a, it's not a, I mean, interval teams are terrible at it. Everyone's terrible at it. It's pretty crazy.


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[Assistant] And he had an incredible roster around him too. Like they had a, they had a good offensive line and, and, you know, elite receivers of Tiger Hill, Travis Kelsey. To your point, the Josh Allen thing, um,


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[Assistant] Building an infrastructure and then placing Josh Allen in that versus the jets who were like, we're just going to draft Sam Darnold and that's going to work out for us.


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[Assistant] That's you have to have the stuff around the quarterback and for instance, the Bears trading out of trading Justin Fields and just a hypothetical and then taking Anthony Richardson would be insanity.


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[Assistant] Just if only because you're, you're, you're just, you're, I mean, you're just getting young. I mean, who knows which one of them will be eventually be better. I mean, you would take fields, I think with the experience, obviously, but it's just, you're just swapping out.


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[Assistant] You're swapping out an apple for an orange or maybe like a red apple for a green apple. I don't, I don't know. I lost some fruit metaphor there.


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[Assistant] Coaching matters. I mean coaching matters a lot. And the pairing of the coach and the player matter a whole lot. Alright, let's get to Max Dugger and Will Levis. Where do they slot on your quarterback ranking list? Is, and I should, we should clarify, do you have Young 1, Stroud 2, and then... Yes.


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[Assistant] Okay, Lavis, so let's talk to me about Will Lavis, who is also going to be another, like,


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[Assistant] Got it. All right. Let's talk wide receivers. Quinton Johnson, TCU. All right. Who shines more shine. That's really good. Who's going to, who's going to, is there a receiver out of this list that is going to light up the combine? I guess shine actually technically works. Jalen Hyatt, Quinton Johnson, Jackson Smith, or Jordan Addison.


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[Assistant] We were just saying JSN or what do we say? What do we call him? And there's some.


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[Assistant] And I mean, just, I mean, you know, not that I watch every minute of every TCU game or anything, but like you just, to me, he just pops off the, off the, off the screen. By the way, Josh mentioned the, with the first pick podcast is with Ryan Wilson and Rick Spielman. Obviously Josh is on there too. Uh, make sure and check that out. It is, if you, if you like draft content, it is, it is, it is legitimately elite. Like.


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[Assistant] Wilson and Spielman do a really, really good job. Uhm, it's annoying how good Ryan Wilson is, how professional Ryan Wilson is. Rick Spielman, uh, dunks on him basically the entire time, which is just delightful. You can see Quinn Johnson here on the screen. Is that him they highlighted?


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[Assistant] Yeah. Deep ball specialist. Okay. Let's take a break. And when we come back underrated, who are some underrated stars? You could shine at the collar. We'll tell you next.


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[Assistant] Okay, underrated stars. Give me some names of people to look for in Indianapolis when we are watching all the combine action on.


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[Assistant] If I'll not work and I guess it's sometimes on ABC, which is crazy.


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[Assistant] It's like, it's like the, it's the mean girls quotes, like stop trying to make fetch happen. Like this is not, stop trying to make, I mean, did you don't make enough money already NFL? You can't like, do we really need to broadcast the combine on like over like antenna air? It's just kind of crazy. Anyway, sorry. That's normal.


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[Assistant] How would you classify, and I should have asked this off the top, but whatever, how would you, does this draft class for you? It's like top heavy, you know, cause sometimes each, each year you can sort of get an idea whether, and I think that for whatever reason.


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[Assistant] Like most draft classes these days feel deeper than they used to be, right? And I don't know if that's, there's a proliferation of, you know,


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[Assistant] Different offenses across college football are guys playing. They're just more schools being prominently involved or like, um, you know, cover, you know, like everyone, everyone covers all the, you know, everyone covers all of these teams, right? We know all these prospects. It feels like if, so how does this class for you stack up relative to recent years?


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[Assistant] I mean, I don't know if Bryce Young has a lot to lose because he's just, he's just his height. You know, you can't, you're going to get measured at some point and people could see how tall you are. People would tell how much, how much you weigh, right?


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[Assistant] Uhm, for Bryce, like, is there anybody that stands out to you that maybe, whether because they don't do anything or because...


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[Assistant] They don't, they won't perform well that could drop, see their stock drop in Indianapolis.


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[Assistant] Right, I dig it. Uhm, anything else to know about the combine of this class or anybody that's stated out? Just any sort of, you know, when you go to the combine, when you're a draft Nick, you know, you have, you have some guys that, you know, you're,


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[Assistant] You're sort of like, anybody on your radar that you feel like warrants mentioning going into the combine.


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[Assistant] I was so, it was so obvious I wouldn't put it in my mock draft. I was like, they can't do it. It's too obvious. They're not even like trying to pretend that they're not going to take Najah Harris. And then they obviously took Najah Harris.


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[Assistant] You see your team, every, we say every year, don't take running backs in the first round and teams are like.


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[Assistant] Uh, we don't care. We're taking, we, we, this guy's a stud. We're taking him in the first round.


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[Assistant] Does it work out long-term? Usually not. Does it work out short-term? Sometimes, very often not. Like, Clyde Edward DeLair did not work out. However.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I would not fault anybody for taking Bijan Robinson because the dude is a freaking stud. Alright.


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[Assistant] We good? Anything else? Anything else? You live from Indy? Are you going to be doing the with the first pick pod?


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[Assistant] Like one, like kind of amusing, and like two, uhm.


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[Assistant] Probably a copyright violation of some sort. Although that may be intellectual property, I don't know. I'm not a lawyer, I'm just a former notary, Josh.


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[Assistant] With the first pick, I just laugh every time we met with the first take, uh, with Ryan Wilson, Rick Spielman, Josh Edwards. Uh, Josh, as always, buddy, it was a pleasure talking to you. Uh, I'm sure we'll catch up soon since it's hashtag draft season for Josh. I'm Brinson. Thanks for listening. Thanks for watching. See you guys later.


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[Assistant] Nathan Jones asked the Chiefs QB what he learned from that tough experience.


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[Assistant] Elsewhere, the San Francisco 49ers are hiring Steve Wilkes as their new defensive coordinator. That's the latest from our NFL insider, Jonathan Jones. Wilkes ran the defense in Carolina this past season and went 6-6 as interim head coach.


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[Assistant] When Matt rule was spired back in October, he'll take over the defense in San Francisco for Danico Ryan's, who is now the head coach of the Houston Texans.


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[Assistant] And it could be a historic night in the NBA with LeBron James needing just 36 points to pass Kareem Abdul-Jabbar for first place on the all time scoring list. The Lakers are home against the thunder tonight. They'll tip off at 10 p.m. Eastern.


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[Assistant] Let's get to that news in 90 with Kyrie Irving officially off to Dallas. The Brooklyn Nets are expected to hold on to Kevin Durant at the trade deadline. That's been confirmed by our NBA insider Bill Ryder. However, Durant has apparently been having conversations with the Nets leadership.


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[Assistant] And former Tampa Bay Bucks offensive coordinator Byron Lefwich is a serious candidate for the OC job at Notre Dame. That's the very latest from our partners over at 247 Sports. Notre Dame coach Marcus Freeman has been in contact with Lefwich since Tommy Reese left for Alabama. Now the Bucks fired Lefwich last month after four seasons in Tampa Bay.


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[Assistant] Can I go off on a tangent first? Sure. I had my opportunity to go out to the national championship game at SoFi Stadium, which


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[Assistant] People made a big deal about no tailgating, which I agree was awful. The fact that you're hosting a national championship game, you're not able to tailgate out there.


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[Assistant] But due to the bomb cyclone and the weather that moved through.


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[Assistant] Most people weren't going to be able to tailgate anyway. So the weather would have kind of wiped that out, even if it was allowed. However, have you been out there yet, Will?


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[Assistant] That's right. I don't know why I kind of forgot about that. It is the oddest constructed stadium. It looks really cool.


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[Assistant] It's a great venue, I think, when you're able to kind of sit and watch a game. Uhm, however.


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[Assistant] The fact that if you're like on level seven and you need to go down to level six on the west side and you're on the east side of the stadium, you can't just go downstairs and walk around.


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[Assistant] You've got to walk around seven and then go down to six and walk back through. Or if you have to go to five, you have to, like because of the openings, you literally can't walk around the entire stadium depending on where you are.


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[Assistant] They've got a roof that because of all the rain, there's still water coming in through. Not only the openings as well in the stadium, but even the roof, they're still dripping through, there's so much rain.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but anyway, it's a great venue to watch a game. I'm still kinda looking at the construct of it thinking this wasn't very well thought out.


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[Assistant] We were standing there, and we were waiting to do our hit, and Warren Brentz, who's the D-Tackle there at Georgia, was starting to walk our way, and I looked over to him, and he kinda smiled, and I just said, hey man, congrats.


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[Assistant] And as he walked closer, he goes, Hey, can I come on interview you? I go, yeah, do whatever you want, man. I was like, let's go. Here you go. We're just waiting. And so of course you learn when the red light goes on, like the cameras are always rolling.


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[Assistant] Kirby Smart had brainwashed all these young men into thinking that someone thought they were not going to be able to repeat.


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[Assistant] Or maybe we're gonna be worse than I think their worst ranking this year was like number three in the country. Like someone thought they weren't gonna be in contention for a national championship.


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[Assistant] And it's crazy to think that considering how much NFL talent they have, how deep they are, how skilled they are. Uhm, but anyway, that was just my most recent experience going to SoFi and obviously watching Georgia and the SEC dominate college football.


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[Assistant] I remember being at a Super Bowl watch party for that when I was a kid.


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[Assistant] And our parents were like, blow out, we're just leaving. Like at a young age, I remember leaving, and by the way, I was a huge 49ers fan.


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[Assistant] Along with the Browns. I grew up, you know, in Columbus. So I rooted for the Browns, but I had family out in Northern California and my grandfather, my dad's side got me one of those old gold 49ers jackets, you know, the old school ones, red and white collar and all that. And I love Jerry Rice. Jerry Rice was my favorite football player of all time. So watching him and Joe Montana and all that, it was just, it was really cool. But, um, it was interesting.


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[Assistant] The interesting thing about that matchup, by the way, is that was the largest spread for a national championship game.


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[Assistant] And the last two times you had spreads near that, both underdogs won outright.


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[Assistant] And then Ohio State upset Miami outright. Uh, and so people were like hanging on to that before the game and I was like, no, I don't think so.


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[Assistant] And uh, then being on the field before the game, I was like, oh gosh, it even looks like a big disparity between these two teams. Like the eye test.


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[Assistant] Then at halftime when I was 38, 7, everyone's like, oh man, no way you can come back from this. And someone pulls the old, well you know.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, which, I don't know why, but if people have a problem with that, look.


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[Assistant] That's the thing is, when I heard that, I was like, oh, that's not even that bad. Like, I've heard pregame speeches that have way more profanity. And that's where I'm like, first off, if you're offended by that, or you didn't like what you heard,


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[Assistant] Football's probably not for you at least to play. Like maybe you should just be a fan because his job is to get all those young men


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[Assistant] Ready to go play, not a contact sport, a collision sport, a sport where you have big, strong, athletic, fast human beings smashing into other guys. In order to do that, you have to have a certain mindset and you have to kind of hit a switch and be a completely different person.


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[Assistant] And I, even as a quarterback, I gotta always say to people, you still have to flip a switch because you're getting hit by those guys. And it takes a certain kind of crazy to kind of put yourself in that position. And so like I used to tell a story back when I was young.


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[Assistant] So my, I was getting ready to play kids pitch, right? Played tee ball, played coaches pitch. And when you're running coaches pitch, you're like, the dads aren't really going to hit you unless they're drunk out there in the mountains throwing pitches at the kids.


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[Assistant] But I remember my, my parents were like, all right, do you want to play kids pitch? I was like, yeah, I don't know. Like why don't they hit me with the ball and all that. And my dad just looks at me and goes, let's go outside. You got four baseballs.


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[Assistant] And, and that's where he's like, bring your bat. I was like, alright. So I bring my bat stand in there. That was the first one. Hits me. And I kind of threw it soft. And, and, and I was like, what the heck? And he was like, how'd that feel? I go, I don't know, it didn't hurt. He goes,


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[Assistant] He goes, get in there again, throws another one, a little harder, hits me. I'm like, okay. I'm like, now, like the third one I ducked and like missed, and the next one he threw a little faster, I could get out of the way, hit me. And he's like, are you okay? I go, yeah, I'm okay. He goes, there you go. He goes, no one's going to throw harder than me. And he goes, and it doesn't hurt.


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[Assistant] He's like, so get in there, go play. You're good at baseball. Everything's going to be great.


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[Assistant] And honestly, it was one of the best lessons he ever taught me.


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[Assistant] So again, like you have to understand like there's a mentality to playing football. You're going to hit, you're going to get hit and you have to mentally prepare yourself for that. I think too often times we kind of are like scared to teach kids like the physicality that's involved in sports, especially football at a young age, but it's good for them. It's healthy to prepare them for those things.


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[Assistant] In between snaps, what are you talking about? It doesn't have to be like after the game. I mean, you get like a time out or something, the guys are out there. Hey man, how are your kids? Kids good? Yeah, they're good. Man, they're so, yeah. Someone's supposed to get big. Yeah, he's getting big, man. Yeah, he's starting to play football and stuff. All right. And you see a good line of scrimmage. Watch that mother effer. Go get, you know, you hear all this stuff and like, and then there's like a break in the play and yeah. Hey, all right.


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[Assistant] You hear like these sorts of conversations all the time in between. It's not what you think. Like it's very professional.


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[Assistant] It's competitive, and it's, it's no different than, for example, when the Pick 6 podcast, right?


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[Assistant] Well, it's, you're competitive. You get a little beef, a little squawking back and forth, like the Will Brinton. That's kind of like the Brinson bark.


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[Assistant] But you got a little bit of that back and forth, but then you're also professional, you know, you're not going to be like, it was an anchorman with all the different news. This big battle Royale.


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[Assistant] You've got like that ball swinging around on that stick and you're just like swinging and getting ready to go hit someone and smash them. I really love Breach's weapon would Breach would have like a flamethrower. He would just be out there like just a flamethrower out there shooting at everyone.


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[Assistant] Where if it doesn't work out a tight end, he puts on 20 pounds and he's a tackle. And now he's just gonna play tackle for the rest of his life. Like, they have some really


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[Assistant] Really crazy, athletic, big guys that you just don't see. And when you look at them, you say, okay, like that guy's going to the NFL. And honestly, traveling, you know, doing the stuff that I do for Fox and watching tape and you see the disparities between teams, that's the biggest difference. Like I remember playing in the high school American game though, which they just had, and I was reading a quote from one of the players just talking about,


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[Assistant] You know, it's, it's the big boys. It's the linemen and delinemen. How big they are, how well they move for their size.


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[Assistant] That's what just makes you like an awe. Like you see fast guys all the time at skill positions. You don't see Lyman and D Lyman that move the way they do for how big they do. That, that's, that's the thing you see at the college level that A wins and B you see those guys getting ready to go up to the next level and you're like, okay, they're all going to have a shot to play in the NFL because of how big and athletic they are for that size.


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[Assistant] My angle on all this is just, if they're going to hold on to him.


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[Assistant] Which probably isn't really good for either side. Like, I think they're only setting him up to fail moving forward in the sense of this. Like, if he doesn't...


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[Assistant] Perform well. And I don't know how you can sign a veteran free agent. I mean, depending on who they sign, if they end up signing Jimmy Garoppolo, like a lot of people have connected the dots, you think Jimmy G would be the guy. Now, yeah, you have injury concerns with Jimmy G, but he's going to look a lot better running an offense than Zach Wilson is. It's just based on what we've seen the last two years.


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[Assistant] Uhm, if it's Lamar Jackson, no doubt, right? There's this whole talk about maybe he's not playing because of the contract situation, it's not the knee, or because of the knee, and he doesn't have the contract, he doesn't want to, whatever the case may be.


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[Assistant] Whatever free agent quarterback, you know, people are saying Aaron Rodgers. He'd be a guy you have to trade for. Maybe they'd be willing to do that. Whatever the case is.


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[Assistant] You kind of know based on who that guy is they bring in, because they will bring in someone.


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[Assistant] I would be surprised if they drafted one with whether I believe they draft number 13 overall, but


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[Assistant] I look at it and say, this was really botched by Robert Sala. And someone needs to look a lot harder at him and how he's handled this and other defensive minded head coaches and how they've handled quarterbacks and maybe stunted the growth of those quarterbacks. You know, Tuo Tangavai Lo is one of the first that comes to mind because of how Brian Flores dealt with them.


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[Assistant] And look, I think Robert Saller is a great defensive mind. I think he's a good head coach. That doesn't mean that he's gonna be great at developing a quarterback. So...


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[Assistant] If you look at this, like, I realized Zach Wilson struggled this year. I was one of the first people to kind of foresee that happening and got a lot of flack for it. Now, I'm not going to take a victory lap in retrospect. I told you, I will say this, I hated what then Robert Sala did.


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[Assistant] If you're gonna back the guy, let him go through growing pains. Like deal with it as an organization, as a team. You draft on number two overall. Give him every opportunity to learn and see if he can improve from that.


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[Assistant] He's not going to improve being inactive and sitting back and not playing games. And so now that you find yourself in this scenario where they're like, no, come hell or high water, you know, we've got it. We're doing all sorts. Like, no, you're not.


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[Assistant] Like you're not setting him up to succeed unless he's just the guy going into next year.


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[Assistant] And you say, we're gonna go with the status quo, we're not gonna bring anyone else in, he's our guy come hell or high water. And then you see what he can do in year three, being three years in a system, right?


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[Assistant] Sure, yeaah, but if someone sees potential in him, they'd probably want to have him for a couple of years before they have to make a decision on his fifth year option.


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[Assistant] Which they would, or at least a year, excuse me, before they have to make a decision on a fifth year option, as opposed to waiting till after this year, then try to trade them, and you're like, well, he's got one year left, and now you're gonna make a, you know, make a decision on his fifth year option, which is fully guaranteed. That's probably not gonna work out well. There's not as much value there.


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[Assistant] I don't like how they treated him once things started to go the way I thought they were going to go this season. I thought, look, you made this bed, you had to lay in it.


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[Assistant] And you got to see if he can fight his way out of it. If he can grow and learn from those failures, those experiences, you know, that's what that's the mindset you have to have. I think as a quarterback in Zach Wilson's position, but also for Robert Sala. So now they find themselves in this.


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[Assistant] Tough spot where they don't have a great draft pick because they won too many games but they didn't win enough games to be a playoff team and obviously he didn't play well enough to provide himself a solid spot as a starter next year.


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[Assistant] Right, and that's, that's the biggest thing. Because football players are mentally tough. Like, I don't care, uh, what position you play, they're all mentally tough.


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[Assistant] It's, quarterbacks are different though. It's a different type of mental tough because of how precious, as tough as they are, both mentally and physically, how precious confidence can be.


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[Assistant] And that's the one thing that I think you saw too fall by the wayside with how the crowd would even react to Zach Wilson.


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[Assistant] Before they benched him and put in Chris Streveler, when that was really the last time we saw Zach Wilson out there, you could see he had lost all confidence in whatever ability he has.


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[Assistant] And that's another tough thing too when you think about where he came from in BYU, which is a unique program in and of itself.


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[Assistant] But it wasn't like he'd really burst on the scene as this nationally viewed quarterback. He had an okay average first couple of years. His last year there. And I know I keep going back to this. I'm sure there's some people at BYU hate it or Jets fans who hate it. But the reality is it plays a role in all of this.


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[Assistant] You know, they played such a soft schedule that their success came in light of who they were playing. And then the stats look great. And all of a sudden, because he makes, you know, a throw that a lot of guys are going to make a t-shirt shorts in a pro day. People start getting like wowed by it. And you just go, well, throughout my homes is a comp. What are we doing?


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[Assistant] Right. Which, I mean, again, I don't know why people feel the need to do that with a lot of these prospects and how we look at them. Like Bryce Young.


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[Assistant] I can't think of a guy that's even close to how he plays. He's so unique in how he sees the field and how he views things. It's probably why the Chicago Bears are contemplating looking at that number one pick and staying there and maybe taking him and trading Justin Fields. It's not a knock on Justin Fields.


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[Assistant] It's a credit to Bryce Young how unique talent he is. It's no different than what I said at the beginning of the season when I was like, hey, if the Jets lose enough games, they're gonna have to contemplate one of these quarterbacks because you've got guys who are worth contemplating that are unbelievable prospects.


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[Assistant] I mean, Bryce Young, to me, is one of my favorite prospects I've ever seen since I started doing this and got out of football. And even since I've played football, he's one of my favorite players to watch on film.


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[Assistant] You know, that's just kind of part of the process for any front office. But with the Jets now, again, they find themselves in a position where I don't know if Will Levis drops.


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[Assistant] Cause his tape didn't look quite as good as it did two years ago. Maybe you take a look at him. But he's not a finished product by any means.


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[Assistant] And then I think you look at the, you gotta look at the veteran free agent market and anyone potentially would be willing to get traded for.


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[Assistant] I think the crazy thing too is when I looked at their schedule before the season, everyone gave me flack for saying,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I really thought they were going to win five games. Everyone went with the whole 0-9 thing, but that was just how ignorant a lot of fans are.


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[Assistant] And it turns out it was the exact opposite of the way it ended up playing out for their team. Uhm, and obviously injuries played a role in all of that too. And there's a, there's a foundation there, no doubt. They've got some tremendously talented players, uh, on their roster. Joe Douglas has really done a good job. It's just now like the media's spinning the narratives like,


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[Assistant] We can't talk about like, Zach Wilson, right? And maybe the deficiencies or the miss there or over-trafficking with number two overall. Uh, and instead it's like, dude, look at everything else you've got on this roster. You've built this roster, allow someone to come in, take it over and be a playoff team next year if you find the right guy.


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[Assistant] They are, they're a playoff team. I don't know about Super Bowl, it's not that, but if you put Aaron Rodgers on the roster, if they traded for him, if you, if you signed Jimmy Garoppolo, I mean, look, anytime Jimmy Garoppolo is healthy for a full 16, 17 games now, but in his career, they're going to the playoffs. How different really is this roster when healthy from what he played with in San Francisco?


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[Assistant] As far as their ability to run the football and their ability to play good defense. And they're only going to build on that in this offseason. So uhm, he makes a lot of sense in my mind. It's just, and he's handled big markets, right? You know, he's handled San Francisco. He's handled, he's been the backup to Tom Brady and then actually had to go in there and play.


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[Assistant] You know, it's like, it's like he's, he's been on big stage. He'll be fine handling the New York media.


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[Assistant] I don't know about the adult film stars and the dating scene there, but that's a whole nother thing.


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[Assistant] Well they haven't won a road playoff game since what, 1995? Is that, is that where we're at?


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[Assistant] Uhm, if you look at, I think also to the narrative on DAC, this is probably...


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[Assistant] Uhm, completing 54% of his passes, three touchdowns, three interceptions. He finished poorly versus Washington and maybe they felt like that was a meaningless game that played a role, but.


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[Assistant] Whatever the case is, this is monumental in my mind. I think for the Cowboys, not only in regards to Mike McCarthy and what that looks like because of the Sean Payton connection and whether or not the Cowboys want to make that move, but also I just think for Dak and how he's viewed


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[Assistant] There's a lot up in the air. They're the favorite going into Tampa Bay to take on the Bucks. I think their defensive line should be able to get after Tom Brady and make some plays.


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[Assistant] Uh, but to me it comes down to Dak Prescott, who leads the league in interceptions. I think he leads the league in interception worthy throws too. But when you look at this, like it's such a monumentally huge game, I think for Dak Prescott's career.


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[Assistant] We were talking about this earlier, I mean Jerry Jones has come out and defended him saying it's not going to happen.


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[Assistant] Who knows, it's Jerry Jones. I mean, it says a lot of stuff. Maybe that has more to do with how Sean Payton feels. You know, where he would want to go coach.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but you do have to, I mean, I think it matters too how you lose, right?


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[Assistant] And so you lose like that again where there's like a huge coaching blunder or situational miss. Yeah, you're probably looking at saying this could be it.


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[Assistant] And they lost, it'd probably be damning, and you like, don't have that excuse, but because it's the bus, Tom Brady.


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[Assistant] Feels a little different, right? Like a guy who's 35 and 12 in his career in the playoffs, and you've got Dak walking in there with like a one in three record. But, like that's the other thing, if I'm Tom Brady, who sounds like


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[Assistant] He's 35 and 12. Look at the rest of the quarterbacks in this NFC playoff picture. Like Brock Purdy doesn't have a start. Daniel Jones doesn't have a start. Dak Prescott 1 and 3. Kurt Cousins 1 and 3. Who else am I missing? Who else is left in all this?


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[Assistant] Yeah, he doesn't have any, like if you're Tom Brady and you know, these games are usually are close. They usually come down to a few place here and there and it comes down to decision making. You've been there, done it before. Like, you know, this, this game is going to be tight. The spread tells you that, but I think the history tells you that with Tom Brady. And so he has to love his chances of this team. That's.


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[Assistant] You know, won a Super Bowl, they've been there before, like, they have to love the fact that we're in the tournament, that's all that matters. And we get to host a playoff game.


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[Assistant] You know, everything as far as what you've done is out there. So they know your identity, they know your weaknesses, they know your strengths. They're going to pick on those things big time and they're going to change some things up on you in game and you've got to be able to adapt and adjust. And that's the hardest thing is when you're a rookie quarterback, when you're a young player,


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[Assistant] It's the ability not only to change things at the line of scrimmage in real time.


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[Assistant] But then series to series. You know, sometimes, you know, you go in with a young quarterback and player, you can stay on script for a while because everything's working, right? And you don't have to make those adjustments. When you have to start drawing stuff up in the dirt, experience comes into play big time. And that roster has that experience, so.


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[Assistant] The decisive mismatch in that game is going to be the Dallas Cowboys front.


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[Assistant] Versus the Tampa Bay Bucks. But, if you get Ryan Jensen back, that should help solidify the interior of the pocket, and allows Tom Brady to step up, which he loves to do, and you can help protect the edges. But the other thing I'd say is, who's the best at getting the ball out of his hand quick? Tom Brady. Tom Brady.


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[Assistant] No, it's most likely the right decision long-term for his well-being. I think the more crazy thing is the fact that Teddy Bridgewater can't go. You know, as a quarterback with a pinky injury, it's really different. That's probably the least valued finger you have.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the least valuable finger, right? Like, these three are the most important on a football, alright?


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[Assistant] This one's gonna kinda help guide. These two are the last two to touch the ball and push and help spin it, right? When you throw the football. This one, honestly, like we do drills where you take your pinky off and you just throw the football.


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[Assistant] So it's more surprising to me, like a veteran who they brought in, who's had success in the league. That's how you drink your beers. Uhm, that he would be prepared.


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[Assistant] For this sort of moment to come in and kind of save the day, he has not been reliable at all. And if now you've got a rookie who's going to at least slate it as a now to go in and start.


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[Assistant] And that's just tough duty for Skylar Thompson to be in. It's tough for the rest of the team. I think Tyreek Hill, who's a game changer, if he's got a guy in there and get him a football.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then you got Raheem Mostert dealing with thumb injuries. It's just, it's tough all the way around the quarterback position.


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[Assistant] Uh, because of that injury, not only the two that keeps him out, but then Teddy Bridgewater and


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[Assistant] You know, not wanting to either play with the pinky or whatever's going on with the pinky, not, you know, play or grip the ball long enough to throw it effectively enough. All right. You got to go unless you want to talk tomorrow really quickly.


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[Assistant] Well, I just say quickly, I don't know if it's the contract thing or not. The only thing I'd say about the PCL is...


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[Assistant] He is not going to fill 100% the rest of the season.


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[Assistant] Like it's just, you're not. I don't know the severity of if it's a fully torn, partially torn. It was a PCL injury. That's all I know. And I tore my PCL in a bowl game last game of my college career. Uhm, I remember they were like, yeah, six weeks of rehab and you started, you should start to feel better afterwards.


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[Assistant] It still didn't feel good. And you kind of just eventually strengthen it, do some rehab stuff, but you just kind of adapt to how it feels.


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[Assistant] He's so dynamic as a runner. I just, I can't imagine he can go into any of these games and be the same type of runner and not have to solely rely based on playing from the pocket. And so I, it's an uphill battle. They didn't even agree to him for a long-term deal.


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[Assistant] And instead of you, they signed Roko on Smith to an extension. I wonder how that's playing with them. Now granted, people might say, well,


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[Assistant] They were gonna franchise tag one of the two, and obviously if you can't get to an agreement with Lamar, you save it for Lamar Jackson, okay?


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[Assistant] But the deadline to that point, we're not there yet. And you gave Rokorn Smith a really good deal for an off the ball linebacker. You know, he's on an edge rush right before the playoff.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so that's gotta be tough to digest. Uhm, but I hope he plays. He's so much fun to watch. And, and, you know, again, it's just, it's a big risk. I mean, obviously you could make it worse. You could tear it completely if it's not already, you know, fully torn.


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[Assistant] Uh, and clearly that's going to impact the style in which he plays.


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[Assistant] Uh, now that we got these Saturday games out of the way, the six best teams in the NFL are the ones that are left standing right now. You know, when you talk about the Chiefs, the Eagles, then you have the main events on Sunday with the Bills, Bengals, Cowboys, 49ers that I feel like you, you can rank those six teams any way you want, but I felt like those six were the best six in the NFL.


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[Assistant] For the 2022 season. So it is kind of fitting that those are the six remaining teams.


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[Assistant] The first team in NFL history to get the number one overall pick and win a playoff game, uh, or are finished with the worst record and have the number one overall pick and, and win a playoff game the following year. And that is all the testament to the turnaround is, Hey, we brought in the right coach. We don't have a coach that just, uh, flies home on his own and goes to college bars at night.


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[Assistant] Uh, we have a Super Bowl winning coach who is very well qualified for the job. I thought Jacksonville played a great game. Uh, and obviously I do agree with Brenton that if my home is fully healthy.


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[Assistant] You don't know what you're gonna get. You might get a blowout like you got with Giant Seagulls or you get something like this. And I thought this one was, this was a great game for all four quarters.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, obviously everybody, uh, who bet on this game was mad because Jacksonville was seven and a half, eight and a half, nine and a half point underdog, depending on where you got them, uh, during the week until the chiefs are covering the whole time until, uh, old Doug Peterson, Dougie P sent out Riley Patterson for that 48 yard field goal. But to Wilson's point, uh, in our Slack channel,


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[Assistant] Right when Jacksonville got the ball, I said that they need to kick a field goal as soon as they get in field goal range because you have to get two scores and if you keep driving for the touchdown, score a touchdown with three seconds left.


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[Assistant] Uh, we still have to get an onside kick and, and so to leave yourself as much time as possible, you get the field goal first. And that is what Doug Peterson did. And so smart on Doug, I thought he coached a pretty good game.


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[Assistant] Why, I think Wilson is probably kind of on the right track with


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[Assistant] The traders are out there trying to save Mahomes from himself because you know Andy Reid would prefer to have Patrick Mahomes in there. So if he's saying, hey man, you gotta go to the locker room and you gotta get checked out because I cannot in good conscience send you out there and get you beat up because you can't move around because you have a broken ankle.


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[Assistant] So they need to go make sure, like Wilson was saying, this ankle's not broken. So yea, you gotta take him to the locker room, you gotta give him the x-rays, and I'm sure Andy Reid's also thinking, alright, if we can survive the second quarter and his ankle's not broken, then he's gonna be able to get out here, uh, and so the x-rays were negative, the ankle's not broken, but to that point,


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[Assistant] Well, that's, that's the thing is that what the diagnosis ends up being, uh, you know, cause if it's a high ankle sprain, that's a tough injury to play on, uh, on a one week recovery. If it's a regular ankle sprain, you have a much better chance he should look a little bit more mobile next week.


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[Assistant] I'm saying that I think my homes would have been in the locker room trying to make things look as casual as possible so that the media has nothing to report because this is obviously going to be the talking point.


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[Assistant] Uh, one person we do know that Andy Reid is going to pop out there is Travis Kelsey. Uh, if you watch on YouTube, you can see his stats. He had the third most receptions in NFL playoff history, 14 catches, the most ever for a tight end in a playoff game. And this is really what baffled me about this game is that if you are Jacksonville,


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[Assistant] You literally had, your defense was the worst in the NFL at stopping opposing tight ends during the regular season. So you would think.


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[Assistant] That maybe you sit down and you say, here is the one guy who should not beat us and that is Travis Kelsey. We are not going to let the opposing tight end beat us because we're so crappy at stopping tight ends and that's all the Chiefs are going to do is probably try to throw to the tight end.


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[Assistant] And what do they do? They let Travis Kelsey beat them. I mean, he was just wide open. It seemed like on every single play, they weren't double teaming him. They weren't doing anything different. It was just insanity, uh, that, that they thought whatever they were doing was gonna work and they should have known by the end of the first quarter when he had five catches that it wasn't gonna work. So, uh, you know,


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[Assistant] AFC Championship game. I'm not falling for that trash, Princeton. I can't even look.


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[Assistant] I think this is going to be a tough point spread for the odds maker to put out there because you don't know Mahomes' health. I mean, if you found out Patrick Mahomes wasn't playing, he's going to play. But if you found out he wasn't playing, the Bengals are probably favored. It's favored by four or five. No, I'm talking about the Bengals.


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[Assistant] This point. Alright, well you do that tonight and we'll talk about it on tomorrow's podcast. We have Winsor who is correct all the time. So, if, I think if you're the Bengals or you're the Bills right now, either one of those teams, you feel really good that