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[Assistant] Based on that quarterback play. They didn't get, I shouldn't say lucky, because the other parts of the team performed and that's why they won. Well there was luck involved. They missed a chippy field goal. Exactly. And when you play that badly at that position, you're not usually going to beat a good team. You're not. And that's it. So if the Brown, if DTR, and that's why I'm glad they're playing him,


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[Assistant] Because he's got some upside and PJ Walker has none. In fact, I shouldn't even say some upside. He may have huge upside. I don't know. We haven't seen him. We've seen him one game and he was not prepared for that game.


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[Assistant] But if DTR can play anywhere close to the level that Brock Purdy did last year, which I don't think is crazy to say, even though Purdy has better talent around him, I'm not asking him to play as well as Purdy, I'm asking him to play three quarters of Purdy.


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[Assistant] If he plays three quarters of what Purdy did, that would be adequate play. That would give the Browns a chance because their defense is great. But they can't afford to have quarterbacks throwing, you know,


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[Assistant] And we're hoping DTR is as well. Guys, listen, I know we want to stay optimistic. I want to stay optimistic too, but we can't con ourselves into believing that it's not a big deal that Deshaun Watson is hurt. And we're now going to tell ourselves he hasn't played well at all. We just talked about how he played his best game and play, you know, that second half against Baltimore, he was almost perfect.


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[Assistant] The reality is they probably wouldn't have won that game without him and there's going to be other games this year where it will cost them not having him. I, I, it's just, I'm just being realistic.


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[Assistant] He was so much lower than this. He was 6 of 20 in the first half. Guys, let's be honest. Come on. The gap between Deshaun Watson, even what he was here, is huge between him and DTR or PJ Walker. It's huge, and there's no way it's not a factor. You're being unrealistic. No I'm not.


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[Assistant] Okay. Give me DTR and PJ Walker's numbers.


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[Assistant] Cut it in half, essentially. From what to what? I don't, uh, let me bring it up. I'll bring it up. I told you yesterday, it was a significant difference. I gotta find it. Why don't you guys talk while I look for it.


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[Assistant] The crowds are 50 to 1 to win what? The Super Bowl. And what were they the day before?


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[Assistant] By the way, you brought up the line as an example, and then when I brought up a line, you're blowing it off.


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[Assistant] So you think the odds of a fifth round pick being good is high for a quarterback?


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[Assistant] Two days ago, I thought this team could really win a Super Bowl, and now I think it's a miracle if it happens. It'd be a long shot, I'll give you that, but. On Tuesday, I would have given them a chance to beat anybody in the playoffs, anybody, and now I feel like there's 15 teams I'm picking over them.


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't agree with you on the run game. I think Jaylen Warren's better than anybody the Browns have.


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[Assistant] How did, do you think DTR, if he had practiced all last week, I mean, there's no way to know. Do you think the Browns would have won that game? No, I don't. No, I don't. Okay, so it's a pretty big difference.


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[Assistant] This is obviously obvious, but, uh,


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[Assistant] The key for the Browns to continue to have success is to never fall behind too much.


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[Assistant] I just heard this stat from Ian Eagle. I, I don't know that we had discussed this, but I interviewed Ian Eagle on my podcast last night. It'll be out, it'll be out today. He's calling the Browns game this week. I didn't realize this, but the Browns, it was the largest comeback they've ever made against an AFC North team last week.


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[Assistant] Against the FC North opponents. And so they, so obviously.


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[Assistant] They can't afford to be down a lot. And that's the defense which has played extremely well this year has to be even better.


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[Assistant] But the defense, like, Miles Garrett knows, and these guys know, they have to-


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[Assistant] Now, again, I'm not saying DTR is gonna suck, I'm saying I have no idea what to expect, and the odds, again, not a short thing, based on where he was drafted,


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[Assistant] Make you think it's not likely he's gonna be very good. If he is, that's a great bonus. But either way, the Browns have to go into the rest of the season with their defense saying, we have to kick ass every week. There's gotta


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[Assistant] All we need is one or two for Cooper. That's what we're looking for. One thing that would really help this week, and I don't know that we're gonna get it if it doesn't look good right now, is DeJuan Jones coming back. That would be huge. That would be huge. Remember Hudson, who did a, you know, a decent job. He wasn't terrible.


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[Assistant] We know the nightmares he's had with T.J. Watt the last couple of years. The Juanjos didn't practice yesterday. Do we have, they're not practicing, what's it, a one o'clock mic?


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[Assistant] The way they beat us the first time. The way they beat us the first time. The difference is from a positive Brown's perspective is...


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[Assistant] What were we saying early in the year? The Browns are playing great defense, but they're not forcing turnovers. Well, now they're forcing turnovers. Remember after three, four weeks, the Browns were near the bottom in takeaways. Now they're near the top, right? Where are the Browns in takeaways, Mike?


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[Assistant] That's alright. Uh, but it was a great moment. I actually can't remember running around the bases. I was so excited. We all thought we were going to get killed by the fans though, because we were playing at Garrison Beach, which is an all Irish neighborhood. And we were like a United Nations team. We had like one Asian dude, two Jewish guys, two Italian guys.


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[Assistant] Two black guys, one Puerto Rican guy. The other team had only Irish guys. That was it. It was an Irish neighborhood. You weren't even allowed to live in the neighborhood if you were not Irish. They were surrounding the field. We thought they were going to kill us after we beat them because nobody had beaten them in five years. A lot of Patrick's and Sean's on that team.


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[Assistant] The kid who bat, the kid who hit right before me, Stanley Jenner was the best player in the league. He hit third, I hit fourth. I never got to hit with anybody on base. The kid with the home run, he was the best. I am guaranteed, I know I only saw him play at the ages of 11, 12, and 13.


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[Assistant] He got involved in drugs in high school, unfortunately. If he had not thrown his life away, I was certain he was going to be a major leaguer. He must have hit like 950 and we had good


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[Assistant] And they're as good as they're ever gonna get. Possible, maybe that would have happened. I thought he stood above, there were other really good players. I was a really good player at that age and nothing happened after that. But, uh, he was amazing. I hope. Let me ask you a question. Stanley Jenner, if you're out there, buddy, I hope you're doing better.


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[Assistant] Right, but I, I actually think it's better, and I, for whatever it's worth, I, people treat these as facts and I don't like that. The, you know, the ESPN odds, they're not facts, they change every week. Of course. But, according to that, the Browns' odds of making the playoffs are slightly higher if the Ravens win than if the Bengals win. Yeah, I would, I would imagine that would be the case. I think it's, they, you know, so.


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[Assistant] The Bengals will be without T Higgins and they are going to be without Sam Hubbard. Now, stunningly, Trey Hendrickson, who had a hyper extended knee last week and left the game late, is playing. Wow. And for the Ravens, they're without their left tackle Ronnie Stanley and then without cornerback Marlon Humphrey. I think that's a big deal that they're without Marlon Humphrey.


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[Assistant] Treat things like this differently, whether it's earrings or makeup or...


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[Assistant] Let me explain it to you, alright? In my junior high school, what they were trying to do is the girls...


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[Assistant] I wasn't, yes, they were wearing mid-thigh shorts, but I wasn't. It was just like an itch.


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[Assistant] But he doesn't wear anything crazy. If his outfit looked ridiculous, I wouldn't let him wear pajamas to school. But he makes good choices. I basically let him choose. You know, if it's really cold and he's wearing a t-shirt, I'll tell him to throw a sweatshirt on top of it. But he's gotta let kids grow up a little bit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but Aditi, he had already been injured and he clearly wasn't 100%. I don't, I don't mind that they traded Josh Dobbs in the beginning of the season. I didn't have a problem with it at the time.


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[Assistant] Uh, they believe DTR was better, although then they gave up on him, at least in the short term after one game, now they're giving him another chance. But you could have had Josh, forget, forget Jacobi Brissette. And I don't know how good Josh Dobbs really is, but he's played decently this year, certainly at a higher level than the two guys they have.


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[Assistant] So they could've, they could've shipped their, a 6th round pick or at the very least could've sent Arizona their 6th round pick back.


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[Assistant] Right now. Bernie, let's talk about what we got now and that story in Thompson Robinson. Obviously his first start didn't go well. He wasn't prepared. Now they've got the whole week to get him ready.


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[Assistant] You know, we've seen him in college, we've seen him in the preseason, but I don't know what to expect. What do you expect?


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[Assistant] By the way, we asked, uh, we had Leroy on yesterday. We asked him if he had one more carry left. So I'll ask you, do you have one more throw left? I have. Do you have two throws left in that arm?


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[Assistant] Let me just, let me just clarify something. We're comparing a one-eyed paint, a one-armed paint manning to DTR, we're comparing to a one-armed paint manning. Is that what's happening here, Mike? It is, because it was, it was


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm gonna go 11. This one. 11 across the board. Yep.


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[Assistant] Trash can, I think, when he went in his office. Uh, uh, it was somber, right? Like it was, it, it's, everyone's down. Deshaun was down.


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[Assistant] Deshaun had to pull himself together for a couple seconds. You know, Jake Trotter asked him, just where are your emotions right now?


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[Assistant] What's this going to look like when he comes back? So yeah, there's a lot of uncertainty right now. Uh, and there's just, it is, you know.


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[Assistant] I'm sure you guys talked about this, but he went 14 to 14 with a broken shoulder. I know. Saddity.


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[Assistant] Either it was a miscalculation on their part because clearly DTR wasn't ready at the time back then.


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[Assistant] So you signed Josh Dobbs as a street free agent. I remember saying last year, I didn't think Dobbs, I wasn't even sure Dobbs was an NFL quarterback last year when he was here.


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[Assistant] And, you know, we'll see. With a full week of practice reps, I've talked about on the show, Tyvis knows this, G knows this. You've got to practice. You've got to practice during the week. You can't just roll in on Sunday with no practice, especially at the quarterback position, and think you're good to go.


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[Assistant] And I remember, I mean, this is how much football has changed. I remember when Mike Nugent was there, it was the NC State game and they had a turnover.


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[Assistant] They're not going to throw the ball 15, 20 yards down the field consistently. You know, that's just not where that's not where this offense is at right now.


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[Assistant] 100%. This is another one, like we talked about with the micro-tears, and there's not a lot of history with those with quarterbacks. Right. There's not a lot of history with this with quarterbacks either.


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[Assistant] I've yet to find one, doesn't mean it's not out there. I couldn't either.


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[Assistant] Let alone have this injury and came back and had success. So it's really sort of uncharted waters right now.


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[Assistant] This is crazy. I think I'm 40. What year were you born? 81. You're 42.


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[Assistant] 42. Is that messed up? You don't know. Is that messed up? I didn't know. Are you celebrating with some 1942? Nah, I'm not gonna listen. Jackie Robinson? What is Jackie Robinson?


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[Assistant] It is spouse friendly and kid friendly. So you guys, uh, I have arcade.


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[Assistant] Guess so. Sounds like it. Or if you have, or if you have else.


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[Assistant] Listen man, uhm, you remember, remember in Dragon Ball Z that it was on Planet Namek?


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[Assistant] And uhm, Goku was the face of Frieza. So Goku and Frieza is going back at it, right? And Goku finally goes Super Saiyan. He plays through all his pains and injuries and he's out here killing Frieza. He ends up defeating him with one of the best Spirit Bombs of all time.


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[Assistant] So they say G Bush, what the hell are you talking about again? Once again, what are you doing? Uh, once you, once we've seen him play through the shoulder and the ankle,


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[Assistant] He is, he is now him when it comes to injuries.


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[Assistant] Ankle Deshaun Watson, torn ACLs, but I still play Deshaun Watson. He invoked the spirit of the Alabama Deshaun Watson when Alabama couldn't tackle him. He just had to glow. Every time they had him in the rights, he moves around, throws the ball, doesn't look that athletic, but they always get in the way.


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[Assistant] He is now showing us what he's made of. Look at that kneeling pose right there. It's over. We didn't worry about our ankle. ANKLE? He had to break his leg for him not to play again in this game? Against the Steelers?


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[Assistant] He just tried to play when he knew he wasn't healthy enough to play. Tybus, before we got into the gaming industry, this is how a bunch of former players wanna play.


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[Assistant] If you would mention NFL the Tigers about a year ago, he would be almost


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[Assistant] It doesn't matter about the money, right? Like, that's like saying, you know, that's like saying Jay, you know what I'm saying? Jay's good. Jay's the man. Like, that's like saying he want to ride off into the kind of, there's the sunset on the boat. Ain't no riding off the sunset for Jay in no boat. He gonna be doing this forever. If not, listen, if he ain't here.


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[Assistant] And they had both the, like, the best records in the, in the AFC. And the Browns went into Tennessee and smoked them. Like, uh, Donovan Peebles Jones caught a long touchdown pass. Jarvis Landrieu caught a touchdown pass.


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[Assistant] The quarterback play across the league has been down. Even the great ones. Patrick Mahomes hasn't looked that good. He had a flu game. We see what the Bills is, five and five, right? You looking across the board.


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[Assistant] The Cleveland Browns have something that can be special brewing because if you look at what the Browns are doing and you look at Deshaun Watson and if he continues to get better with more reps, with more practice, with more games, that confidence begins to roll. The best thing that can happen is


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[Assistant] The, the Browns say, oh, we definitely got a, a, a peaking franchise quarterback who is now playing his best football and he's now in the rhythm and he's back. If you look at it across the league,


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it's, it's as wide open as if I've seen it. Jacksonville and Buffalo and all the teams that were supposed to be good, they haven't been lighting the world on fire.


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[Assistant] Yesterday I came with the flowers bro, like if you, if you wasn't telling me, you have to give credit to say,


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[Assistant] I've had a backup dude that was basically off the streets.


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[Assistant] It's hard to call them true contenders because Baltimore has lapses where they can look so good throwing the football. Lamar Jackson can look unblockable. They got great guys on the defensive end, but they just go through lapses where they get no points. You're right.


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[Assistant] Third down and third down conversion. Right. That's the most important down in the game. Third down. Keep the change. He's a guy that barely.


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[Assistant] He is a guy on that goal line is unstoppable at this point. He's in his groove and it's a skill set to score in the goal line.


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[Assistant] It's a skill set. So he's, he's the difference between us getting field goals and losing or punching it in touchdowns.


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[Assistant] He's a relief pitcher. Like you can't say he's gonna win a Cy Young.


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[Assistant] And of course the Browns and the fans and people are going to be hyped up about this.


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[Assistant] The players are going to come out and say all the right stuff. Uhm, just one game. Next of, uh, every game, the next game is the most important.


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[Assistant] But you gotta tell her like it is, Mary Kay. This, this to me.


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[Assistant] Is one of the biggest games, the brown seal is the game I can remember.


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[Assistant] Uhm, where does this fall in, in, for you?


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[Assistant] Uhm, given that you've seen this rivalry and the importance of this game specifically.


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[Assistant] You know Mary Kay, uh, one of the guys that I've just been enjoying watching, and he's just more about his story and his play on the field, you go back and you look at Kareem Hunt, you know, he wanted it long, he wanted the long-term extension, didn't get it, uhm, they end up, you know, bringing him back, bringing him back after Nick Chubb goes down.


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[Assistant] And his trajectory of what he's being brought to the team is just, it just seems like he's bringing toughness, he's bringing...


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[Assistant] Uhm, his personality to the game and, you know, I'm comfortable when I see Nick Chubb going in on short yardage plays because I know Nick, er, I know Kareem Hunt is going to get the one or two yards, especially on the goal line. Uhm, how has, you know, how has his attitude been and him being back into the fold, especially


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[Assistant] Playing for his home time team, which I think he really, you know, prides himself for doing.


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[Assistant] I knew it was going to be a problem when you watch these games, when you saw Max Strews coming off, you know, dribbling the ball up trying to play make.


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[Assistant] I'm like, what is Max Struth playmaking for when he played for the Heat? You come off screens and that's it. That's one role. Catch and shoot.


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[Assistant] I'm like, Niang, now listen, I know, I know, I know Niang is, is not, they call him the minivan or something, but he was not that big in Philadelphia. Mikey McNuggets, George Niang, he has put on at least 20 pounds. He's put on 20. He has never been that big.


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[Assistant] What? No, no, no. Here's what I'm saying, McNuggets, though, is when you talk about Max Shrews...


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[Assistant] I'm not worried about him shooting, I'm worried about where he gets his shots and the context of it.


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[Assistant] What is the offense where we're running something where we gonna get a double pin down or some baseline action and get him going? Nothing. When you look at Evan Mobley, there is no go to move. Like you guys have scouts and people on your staff that work with guys to get a go to move. He still doesn't have one. And on top of it,


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[Assistant] The scary part is, the Cavs were the number one defensive team in the league last year.


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[Assistant] And the reason why they were number one defensive team in the league is because they had young players who sold out during the regular season and they got them to buy in that you guys have to play hard every single night.


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[Assistant] Now, as you get three years in, and Evan Mobley is a defensive player, you're a candidate, and, and, and Darius Garland got his money, and you got other guys coming in, Keris Levert has gotten paid. Now it's like, well, we're veterans now.


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[Assistant] We might want to play like, uh, the rest of these teams. Like, let's go ahead and coast and get the fifth seed or sixth seed and we'll turn it on. But the problem is, you don't have the talent to turn it on. You don't have the toughness that we showed, that showed you need to play in the playoffs.


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[Assistant] And that's, that's never been the case. It's been a while. Like ever. Like, and here's the thing, even with the new coach, the new coach gonna get a honeymoon, Tyvis. Yeaah. And with the guardians, Volker gonna get a, get a whole smooth honeymoon.


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[Assistant] And they don't have, they don't have much tolerance from outsiders saying stuff in the media. If you look, Deshaun Watson just now getting out of there, he had a breaking ankle, have a shoulder injury, and lead a touchdown, improbable. Now Deshaun, now you got Donovan Mitchell.


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[Assistant] Now look, we want, we, the Cavs gave up three first round draft picks.


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[Assistant] That pressure's going to build and mount on Donovan Mitchell. Not the rest of him. Him. He's the second team all NBA guy. And they're going to start to say, hm, are you, are you the best player on a NBA championship team, Donovan? Or are you just a guy that is overrated a little bit? Right. Well, he scores a lot of points.


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[Assistant] You know, Kelly, listen, you go back to that playoff game.


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[Assistant] And uhm, during this time period where, you know, you guys had you and Tim Couch, we used to always have this saying,


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[Assistant] We used to have a saying that Kelly Holcomb has a different playbook.


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[Assistant] They was like, yo, we gonna go with, uh, the teacup formation, and you were slinging it all over the, over the place, the Quincy Morgans, the Andre J. Davises. Like, how, how, you know, was it, was it something that you guys, you know, when you got in the game, it just seemed like y'all was wide open, throwing the ball everywhere.


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[Assistant] You know, Kelly, last question before we get you out of here. We appreciate your time coming on with us today. Uhm, you know, we got Deshaun Watson now at quarterback. He, you know, he led a, you know, last second drive against the, against the Ravens the other day.


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[Assistant] To become a franchise quarterback for the Browns.


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[Assistant] Because we, we, you know, everyone laughs at the Browns with the whole jersey with all the other different names and things like that.


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[Assistant] But I always say, like, you know, playing for the Browns at quarterback is like, you know, finding, you know, Lord of the Rings, right? Everybody wants the Lord of the Rings. Everybody wants that guy back there. Like, precious! Everybody wants the ring. Did you feel pressure, like, for the outside, the fans, the media?


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[Assistant] To become that dude and to, like, be the next, you know, franchise guy for the Browns.


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[Assistant] It's a Kool-Aid Monday. We've got the green Kool-Aid out as the Cleveland Browns, everybody, have won a historic game.


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[Assistant] And all of you great fans that have joined us, we've already set a record for most people watching our post game show, shattering the previous record.


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[Assistant] We've already set a record for most people waiting for the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show to start. We've never had this many people to start the show. And we are going to shatter the record for most people watching. Now, if you're out there, if you're watching on YouTube,


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[Assistant] Even he's excited today. He's got a great shirt. He's ready to go. How about that victory, Jason? Start us off and go around the horn. We'll see Mikey McNuggets. How about that win by the Broncos?


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[Assistant] We're gonna spend a lot more time with Deshaun Watson here in the first half hour of the show. But let me big picture what this win.


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[Assistant] Look like, because if you think about this, you go into this game of touchdown and a dog on the road against a team and a head coach in hardball that has kicked your ass for years. We talked about the Browns, you know, the same old Browns, this old Browns.


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[Assistant] And despite all of that, the Browns, we all thought had a chance to win this game.


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[Assistant] Thank you. My God, did he show incredible speed. And it's 14-0. Less than five minutes into the game, everybody was losing their mind. You were one of those people. I was going crazy. Gee, Bush was losing his mind.


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[Assistant] The Browns showed you that they are a different team this year. They never stop fighting. They never stop clawing. Even when Deshaun Watson was like one for a thousand in the first half.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's no doubt about it. He's got to show more consistently across games. He's got to show more consistency across the season. But in that second half, he looked like the guy, as you guys have said, they've paid for. Go ahead, Mike, give us a read.


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[Assistant] Over Pittsburgh at home and FanDuel, is that correct, Mike? Do you have it in front of you?


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[Assistant] This is that week. This is that week. In a perfect world, if you're a Browns fan, you want the Browns to beat the Steelers, you want the Bengals to beat the Ravens. If that happens, which is definitely not unrealistic, if that happens, the Browns will be in first place at 7 and 3, right? The Ravens would be 7 and 4. Right? Do I have that right?


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[Assistant] Yeah, the Ravens is 7 and 3 right now, the Browns is 6 and 3. Yes. Ravens would be 7 and 4. Steelers would be 6 and 4.


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[Assistant] And the Bengals would be 6 and 4. So the entire division would be within a game if that happens and the Browns would be in first place, which is nuts. So we'll see. We'll get to that later in the week. But now going back to yesterday and starting with Deshaun Watson. Guys, there were a lot of moments in that first half where I'm sure you guys were too were like, what is he doing out here? What is happening?


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[Assistant] But the second half, it all turned around. We saw that against Arizona, but even more impressive this week against that great Baltimore defense with a deficit.


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[Assistant] There were so many big plays that the team made, but we'll talk about Deshaun Watson specifically, so many big plays he made, not only the passing yards, 134 in the second half, which is really good, but that run late in the game where I think he got 16 yards in that run, it seemed like every time there was a penalty in the second half,


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[Assistant] Or a sack in the second half. He always found a way on the next play to make a play to stop them from being in third and long situations.


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[Assistant] He's playing at an elite level in the second half. Yeah. If he can get it, if he can get it, the first time he's playing like crud, if he can just get the average in the first half, then we're really talking.


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[Assistant] And every, listen, everybody's banged up this time of the year. His injuries are pretty serious. It seemed like he got hurt every other play, but he kept fighting, he kept going. We thought, you know, at the start of the second half, they were talking on the broadcast, G, as if he was coming out of the game.


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[Assistant] They play hard every game. We'll get more of this to fanskied a little bit. Mike, go ahead.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and the Browns are four and one in the games he's played. You know, the whole game. They won the Colts game. He doesn't get any credit for that. But they're four and ones. They won 80, you know, and listen, uh, obviously I think it's, I think the win-loss stat is overblown in terms of judging quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] But people were critical of him for his record, and this year so far his record's been really good. He's 4-1 in the games that he's started and finished. And he was tremendous in the second half, and once again he showed us, he's giving you hope that


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[Assistant] You know, now that he's, he's, he's practicing more, even though he's not 100%,


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[Assistant] He's, he's played really well through these injuries, despite some flaws at times in the first half of these last two games where he hasn't looked good. But when it's mattered, when he's had to, he's been able to make a lot of big plays. And yeaah, we're looking for more consistency as we go down the season. I'm hopeful that will happen.


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[Assistant] Are we worried about his status for next week?


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[Assistant] Anybody quit, listen, there's plenty of things you want to be critical about the Sean Watson over the last few years, fine, that, that are fair.


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[Assistant] Listen, if Deshaun Watson play becomes more consistent,


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[Assistant] There's no limit to how good the Browns can be. Oh, for sure. Right? Yeaah. I mean, they've beaten Cincinnati, San Francisco, and Baltimore. What else do you want?


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[Assistant] And then especially if the Pro Shea fumbles. But we'll get, alright, we're going all over the place. Let's get to Kevin Stephanski.


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[Assistant] I would, listen, I don't know him personally. You've talked to him a little bit. I would think, guys, that this was huge for his confidence. Because we've talked about this. The one thing I think we all kind of ignored when the Sean Watson came here after sitting a year and then getting suspended and everybody hating on him. Fair or foul, everybody hating on him.


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[Assistant] And think about this, like, it's one thing to play well against Tennessee, a decent team, now they're okay.


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[Assistant] It's one thing to play a great second half against Arizona, but they stink. It's another thing.


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[Assistant] With a running back who granted played great but hadn't done much before yesterday. Correct. Will get to his great performance.


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[Assistant] With completely an unproven wide receiver group outside of Amari Cooper. To go out there and play as well as he did in the second half. And especially put those fourth quarter numbers up again, Mike. Nine for nine in the fourth quarter. Right? Was it nine for nine?


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[Assistant] Seven for seven for 89 yards. So every throw he had to make in the fourth quarter and he had to make all seven of those throws. All seven of them. I think one of them was for like zero yards.


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[Assistant] And I say screw up, I didn't mean an interception. If he screwed up by throwing an incomplete pass on almost any of those plays, the Browns lose this game. He had to be perfect.


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[Assistant] And despite, you know, who the hell knows, but despite the Bengals, uh, rough loss to Houston, I do think the Bengals are going to beat Baltimore this week. I know it's on the road.


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[Assistant] I'll tell you what, the Bengals had a stumble, but I think they're gonna beat Baltimore, which is gonna leave the Browns with the ability to jump in the first place with a win.


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[Assistant] Let me say this, guys. You know, when the season started, everybody knew Kevin Svansky was on the hot seat, right? He, he, if you looked at any, uh, odds of first coach to get fired, he was near the top. Now, if the season ended today, he wouldn't win coach of the year, but he'd be in the conversation.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, sure, sure, sure. But Stefanski's in that conversation. He's not in the other, despite the fact that every time the Browns offense doesn't play well for a minute.


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[Assistant] And by the way, before I give you my thoughts on Kevin Stavansky, let me just say,


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[Assistant] You know why you should subscribe? Because the Browns are gonna be good for a number of years. And because they have a very good coach. And for the doubters out there,


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[Assistant] This is why I believe, cause Kevin Stefanski showed you once again.


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[Assistant] Well, he is able to overcome. They have, they have overhauled the offense, right? They're playing completely differently. They, from the second the season started, you had Nick, Jack Conklin get hurt. You had Nick Chubb get hurt. You had Deshaun Watson get hurt. He's still not 100%.


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[Assistant] And yet, you're finding ways every week, differently every week, different teams. You've beaten the three best teams you've played.


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[Assistant] The Niners, the Ravens, the Bengals, you're three and one. Three and one against the three best teams on your schedule right now. Now you gotta beat the Steelers because you lost to them and they're the fourth best team on your schedule. You look at the rest of the schedule, you got eight games left, four against really bad teams, the other four


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[Assistant] In at least six of their final eight games, they'll be favored in all four of those games. As of today, they'd be favored in all four of these games. The only games they will be an underdog in as of today, they'd be a slight dog in Cincinnati.


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[Assistant] Maybe they'd be a dog against the Texans, maybe by a point. Might be a Pick'em. The biggest dog right now, if you made the spreads for the Browns games the rest of the season, they're probably a three point dog at Cincinnati.


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[Assistant] Probably will come down to, well, we'll see. We'll see what happens. That's it. The Browns will be at, uh, favored in at least six, maybe seven as of today. So they're in good shape. Part of that is their coach. Kevin Stefanski is a very, very good coach. Did I, did any of us like the way he handled the end of the first half? Of course not. There were some mistakes made there.


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[Assistant] And Jason and I were talking about this before the show. If you watch every coach in the NFL, and that includes Belichick, it includes Reed, any of them, and I'm not saying he's Belichick or Reed, I'm saying even though he's not those guys, he's as good as most of the others, if not better, and probably better than many of the others.


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[Assistant] If you watch every single play of the Patriots, the Chiefs, the Bengals, trust me, you'll find


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[Assistant] A couple of plays here and there, and in a lot of coaches, like the Chargers and some of these other yo-yos, you'll find a lot more. There's always going to be one or two plays where you're like, what are you doing coach? It's always going to happen, but consistently, especially this year, when his offense has been destroyed by injuries.


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[Assistant] He has found a way to lead the team. They've played their ass off. Outside of the first Raven game, they weren't, I don't think they came to play. There was a lot going on. Outside of that game, they've come to play every week.


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[Assistant] And they have been, this is the most physical Browns team I can remember.


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[Assistant] Right, he calculated that the odds of what could go wrong on a 60 yard field goal attempt


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[Assistant] Well, I think what it is is, listen, here's the thing.


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[Assistant] What are you talking about? How could you not? I mean like this is a happy moment.


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[Assistant] Honestly, even though the Bengals lost the Heartbreaker, I was in a great mood yesterday, because I was so excited that the Browns won, and which again, I know people don't get it, I don't get it either, but.


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[Assistant] And the Ravens were, and the Niners had been the, at the time we thought they were the best team in football. Here's the difference.


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[Assistant] And no excuses, but still, I'll make an excuse for San Francisco. They lost McCaffrey, right? They lost McCaffrey. He's their best player. And they lost their left tackle. The Ravens didn't lose any of their offensive players.


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[Assistant] Can I tell you something else that's crazy speaking of which? If the Browns beat Pittsburgh on Sunday


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[Assistant] Forget talking about playoffs. We gotta start talking about, forget even winning the division. We can start having conversations about being the number one seed if they beat Pittsburgh.


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[Assistant] It would have been easy at that point for the defense to kind of be like, well here we go again, we're down 14-0 already, what are we supposed to do? But the defense really played great.


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[Assistant] After that, those first two, you know, the first touchdown, they didn't give it up. But, and then obviously the Ravens got a field goal, so they got seven, it was, at the end of the first quarter, it was 17-3, right? Yeah. Yeah. Correct.


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[Assistant] So it's 17-3 at the end of the first quarter, and outside of the Odell Beckham touchdown, kudos to Odell for one moment in time, he looked like the old Odell in that play. But outside of that play, the Ravens really didn't do much after the first quarter.


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[Assistant] I remember, I remember that. The good news is in terms of Thornhill, and I don't know how long he's gonna be out.


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[Assistant] The next two weeks, you're not exactly facing sterling passing games in Pittsburgh and Denver. Yeah.


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[Assistant] That helps. You know, that helps. Now both those teams have good receivers, but they don't, you know, and Russell Wilson's playing a little better, I guess I shouldn't kill him, but they're not very good. You got the Rams after that, then the Jaguars, then the Bears. I mean, again,


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[Assistant] You know, but, but, uh, let's see, if he, if he came back for the Jacksonville game, that would be almost a month, we'll see. He'd miss three games. But, uh, yeaah, he's a loss, there's no doubt. McCloud doesn't have the ability, uh, at this point McCloud's old, so he can't, he's, he's okay player, but he's not, he's not a thorn in.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and he's not being asked to do as much or play as much, right? He's playing a lot less snap, so he's fresher later in the game. We're even seeing that for Myles Garrett, like you can sit, like in the past you didn't want to sit Myles at all. Not that you really want to sit him, but like you want to keep him fresher.


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[Assistant] And if you look at, the only criticism we ever had of Miles Garrett was his consistency throughout the season and his consistency without the game. He'd be a little up and down and we're not seeing that this year. Like he was just, he played another great game. And it's kind of an afterthought to some degree because we're just, we're getting used to it now. He's just playing a great game every week.


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[Assistant] And he's making bigger, he's making big plays late in the game, which is something he was very inconsistent with in the past. Oboe, uh, Arranco. Huge.


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[Assistant] You know, got the big six. Darius Smith's playing, has played better the last few weeks. He's playing well. I mean, again, I said it last week, I'll say it again this week. Who's not playing well in their defense?


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[Assistant] Yeah, LaVar's running game was not much of a factor. What was his final stats in rushing?


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[Assistant] It actually, I bet you it's misleading because remember you got hurt.


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[Assistant] And I bet you, remember he got hurt around this time last year? I bet you early in the season he was playing a higher percentage. I mean there was years he was here where he was in the 90s. Right. Which is insane. And I bet you early last season before he got hurt he was in the 90s. Is my guess, I don't know that. But remember after he got hurt they couldn't play him as much. And that's for a full season that number.


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[Assistant] Right, and especially a guy like Shelby Harris, who's made more of an impact the last few weeks, like he's an older player.


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[Assistant] So if you're only asking him to play one, one time every three downs, well he's gonna be able to go full bore on those plays, because you're not asking him to play that much. Right.


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[Assistant] I mean, those guys mostly played on all-time teams, right? Like, they had a lot of talent around them. Obviously this year, Miles has way more talent around him than he has, but until this year, he had nothing.


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[Assistant] Nothing! And he still was able to deal with those five years. This year, okay. But, you know, he's, what does he have now? Eleven and a half?


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[Assistant] 8 games left. He has 11 in 9 games, which would mean in 8 games he should have like 9 or 10, right?


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[Assistant] The Bears? The Jets? Those two games? Yeaah. I mean the Jets, their offensive line is horrible.


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[Assistant] Well, by the time they play the Rams, they'll probably have that good rookie running back they were using early in the year who got hurt. Uh, Williams? Yea, Kyra Williams.


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[Assistant] This idea that teams tank, they don't, the coaches don't tank, the players don't tank. The dumbest thing ever is that people said Arizona was tanking. If they were tanking, why'd they trade for Josh Dobbs and not just stick with Colt McCoy? If they were tanking, why'd they play Kyler Murray? They're tanking.


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[Assistant] Yes, after you had the heartbreak of the missed extra point at a time you thought it might cost you the game. But, the Browns went from the, like,


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[Assistant] And you're like, okay, there's no way, and before you could, we said before you could blink, the Browns were down 14-0. Before you could blink, they had it back to a one point game.


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[Assistant] That's a race. No matter how good a kicker is, you never know when a bad kick in a big spot is gonna kill ya.


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[Assistant] Made a big impact. He played really well. And, and last week we were like, okay, you finally have a punt returner that you trust. And then he fumbled. Now, obviously in the end it didn't cost him.


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[Assistant] But how are we feeling about James Prochet? I kind of felt bad for him. He's on the sideline like, oh my god. Oh sure.


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[Assistant] Uh, there have been a lot of years where the, uh, most years, pretty much every year since Phil Dawson, the Browns kicking game has been trashed. So obviously, you know, big for him.


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[Assistant] You want him to have a day next week against Pittsburgh where he doesn't miss any. You don't want him to cost you a game. But, uh, again, bring up his numbers again for Dustin Hopkins, please. That was the first extra point I believe he missed all year, right? 14 to 15.


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[Assistant] I think we gotta start, we've mentioned him briefly a couple of times, I think we gotta start guys with Jerome Ford on offense.


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[Assistant] We had all, across the board, said, you know what? They gave it a shot with your home forward, he's just not good enough. All the numbers pointed to, he's not good enough, efficiency is terrible, he was like the worst in the league, his yards per carry was pretty bad outside of the two big runs.


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[Assistant] He was not just good, he was outstanding. And this wasn't about, oh, he broke a 70 yard run. He was consistently getting 5 yards, 6 yards, 7 yards, 10 yards. He was phenomenal in this game.


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[Assistant] Guys, the Ravens defense in the first nine weeks of the year had only allowed


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[Assistant] Three teams, forget one player, had only allowed three teams to rush for more than 93 yards.


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[Assistant] Brown's defense has been great. Raven's defense has been great. And the Browns, when they needed it most, they needed to be balanced. We talked about this earlier in the show, which the fans, they were balanced. I think they finished with one more running play than pass play.


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[Assistant] I know, I'm pretty sure it was one way or the other. They were basically 50-50.


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[Assistant] Right, again, kudos to Stefanski because for the last few weeks, you and I, we were all saying like,


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[Assistant] Well, we were crediting him for sticking with the run, even though it wasn't really working that well, right? They were sticking with it. They were grinding. They weren't getting, they were only averaging like three, four, maybe four yards of carry, maybe less, but they stuck with it. He never really gave up on the run and it paid off in this game.


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[Assistant] A lot of times the offensive lineman, even if they fall out initially, will lose it, right?


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[Assistant] Right. He's clearly their second option in the passing game. There's no doubt about it. And he had, listen,


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[Assistant] He had a big drop in the first half. Yup. Right man. Big drop. He showed you. He started turning around before he caught the ball. Should have been the first down. They didn't do much in the first half. That was a play. He let his quarterback down.


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[Assistant] And in the past, drops have been a big problem for David Njoku. Overall this year, he's been way better. And if you look at his play, I think the last month, not just the stats, if you just look at the catches and


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[Assistant] It's not gaudy, it's nice, it's solid, it's not gaudy, but I believe.


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[Assistant] In the last month, he's played his best football as a Cleveland Brown, as an all-around player. All the guys he's dragged down the field, the blocking, he's put it all together. He's never gonna be Travis Kelce.


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[Assistant] Nobody is, right? He's not George Kittle, he's not DJ Hockinson. But after the top few guys, he's right there with everybody else. And he's playing like


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[Assistant] Yeah. So alright, little more than a month. He's, he's, but I think, I don't know, I feel like in the last four or five games, he's, he, it's just all come together for him.


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[Assistant] Oh, the pass interference. That was the biggest play of the pass interference in that at the end they threw to him.


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[Assistant] Yeah, as he, if he held the ball for another half, you know, quarter of a second, he would have been passed.


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[Assistant] Even last week, guys, he looked terrible throwing on the run last week against Arizona.


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[Assistant] We were, we were ready to quote Jackson, the best linebacker in modern Brown's history, said this guy can't play. He fixed him so tough.


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[Assistant] Two tackles for a loss of game almost. And he's playing with the, you know, you see these guys playing with so much energy and enthusiasm, it's hard not to get excited watching them play.


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[Assistant] And this year it's over 100%. That's crazy.


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[Assistant] That, that's a, that's a huge difference. Go ahead, Jason. No, I was gonna say, I think a lot of it.


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[Assistant] You know, if you look through the lens, and maybe we need to stop doing this, but if you look through the lens of the modern Brown's history,


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[Assistant] And you, you go back and let, let's say we went into a time machine for 20...


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[Assistant] 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19. And I went into that time machine and I found 2012 G. Bush and 2012 Jason Lloyd.


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[Assistant] And 2012 Anthony, he was probably in middle school then or something, I don't know. 2012 Mike, 2012 Steve, he was wasting his time at another TV station. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Uhm, we went back in time to 2012 and I said to you, hey guys,


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[Assistant] The Browns are gonna play the Baltimore Ravens a decade from now. Right? And...


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[Assistant] And they're playing against a team that's the best. And describe all the adversity the Browns have faced. The Ravens have the most talent, they have this great quarterback, blah, blah, blah. And like you just never could have pictured the Browns winning this game through the landscape of the Browns versus Ravens.


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[Assistant] And yet they did, and had to overcome within the game adversity so many times. From the pick six early, to the fumbled punt, to the missed extra point. There was so many times where this team could have crapped the bed and they every time fought back and fought.


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[Assistant] That, uh, uh, Jake Trotter put up, courtesy of ESPN stats. Browns trailed for 59 minutes and 20 seconds. No NFL team this millennium has won while trailing for that long in a game.


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[Assistant] It's really crazy. That's a baseball-esque stat.


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[Assistant] Guys, I said earlier this season that once you're a good team, it doesn't matter who you're playing. Like, we've, in the last two years on the show, before the season, we've played the schedule game. Like, who do you want to play week one? And Jay in particular, because he's been scarred more than everybody else, because he's the oldest person here, he sat through the most.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's always panicky about who the Browns play. Like, he's always worried. When you're good, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. And for the rest of the season, no matter how it turns out, whether the Browns fall apart, which I doubt, whether they're decent, whether they're great,


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[Assistant] You don't care who you're playing. You're gonna go, the Browns, and, and,


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[Assistant] You know, players are com- more confident than fans, certainly. But Brown's fans, you gotta go into every game the rest of this year, no matter how many there are.


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[Assistant] The Browns, again, they've beaten the Bengals, the Niners, the Ravens. Who can't they beat? They're not


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[Assistant] They're not playing, the rest of the season, the best, they only play the Bengals, is the only really good team they're playing. Obviously, Pittsburgh's decent, Jacksonville's decent, Houston's pretty good, you know, decent teams, pretty good teams, but that's it, yeaah. I mean,


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[Assistant] I mean, there's no limit. I had a friend of mine who's not a Browns fan. Good friend of mine. Big, big football fan. He doesn't even really ha- his favorite team I think is the Giants.


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[Assistant] But he doesn't, he's more like a gambler and he's like, he's into all the minutiae of this stuff and he's a really smart football fan. He's like, well, my projections, I'm like, oh, you got projections now? He's like, I'm projecting the Browns to finish 13 and 4. I'm like, really?


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[Assistant] Think about, like if you beat Pittsburgh this week, now you're, now you're gonna be like, oh well they should kill Denver after that. Right. You know, and they might not, but that's how you're gonna be thinking.


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[Assistant] We're gonna do em, just for a minute, just for a minute, then I'll, just trust me, do it for a minute.


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[Assistant] This has got to be one of the most fun times to be a Browns fan since 99. I get 2020 was a great season. It was a lot of fun. It was a homegrown quarterback, but it was during COVID. Everything kind of sucked during COVID.


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[Assistant] It's crazy. It's unbelievable. It's crazy. And it's, and it's gonna be even crazier next week.


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[Assistant] Hold it there, Mikey. Okay, okay. Hold it there, hold it there, because that's an interesting question.


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[Assistant] There's something to it. He misses that extra point. In a way, it keeps the team a little more on edge. If you tie the game, maybe you kind of relax a little bit. You know what? I do notice that.


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[Assistant] I gotta bust Anthony's balls though. He was like, I went back and watched it after and I saw Anthony was making the call of the final play and his excitement was like level one. We need a little more energy here.


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[Assistant] By the way, I believe that between the UCSS post game show, G. Bush's post game show,


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[Assistant] Alright, real quick on the division. Are you done with Super Chats? Obviously the Bengals lost to Houston yesterday, the freaking Steelers. What is there all babbling about that?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't, I don't really, I general don't believe in trap games and the Bengals played sloppy, they played a sloppy game. Uh, what's, in the end though, Tyler Boyd dropped a touchdown in the end zone and the Bengals win the game.


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[Assistant] Probably. That was crazy. I shouldn't say they win the game. Cause Stroud drove him down for the game winning field goal. Had, had, uh, had Tyler Boyd held on to that ball in the end zone. He would have had to score a touchdown and they didn't have a lot of time.


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[Assistant] He had, he showed you that he was going to be great. I feel like we've had some really good quarterbacks here. Baker broke the record, then Herbert broke the record after that.


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[Assistant] C.J. Stroud, I mean, yesterday, yesterday was the first time I got to see him play from the beginning of that. He threw one bad pick in the fourth quarter that got the Bengals back in the game. Kinda like Lamar did, but, uh,


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[Assistant] Hit the subscribe, hit the like. We love you. Two hours flew by and we've got more if you're a member. We'll see you in overtime right here for the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. Thanks to everybody. Great job everybody. Drink the green Kool-Aid baby. The Browns at six and three and then go to the playoffs for crying out loud. Yep, it's going to be a great year in Cleveland. Peace. Peace.


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[Assistant] We have to get back on track cause yesterday you responded to a text from July from me. Well now that was weird. And then today I tried calling you and you had essentially blocked me out. So by the way, I don't know what's going on.


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[Assistant] By the way, Mike. It hits real quick because we gotta get into quarterbacks. Right. PJ Walker's starting. Deshaun is not, but Deshaun is going to speak to the media today. Interesting. Despite the fact he's not starting or playing. That's according to Mary Kay Cabot. We were gonna talk about how


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[Assistant] Mike Florio put out an article this morning exactly with what she's saying. And he said it's all speculation, but Mike Florio, pro football talk, put out an article exactly with what she said this morning.


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[Assistant] I'll get you the headline, but essentially he said there's something fishy going on in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] This is not even a report. The article is titled Strange Vibes Continue Between Browns and Deshaun Watson. He essentially put into words Gee's Conspiracy without facts. He was just pointing out things that he thought were fishy. There's no sources. It's just Mike Florio. Now a lot of times what Mike


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[Assistant] I did not expect this to get into a conspiracy theory for the first 30 minutes, but gee, I'm glad you brought it up. Sometimes the best topics come off the dome. We're gonna move on to our next thing in one sec, but first, if you, everyone...


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[Assistant] Gee, you alluded to it a second ago, but with PJ Walker starting the defense,


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[Assistant] Probably has to go into this game thinking they have to be damn near perfect to leave Seattle with a dub and you said you've been in many situations like that before and you kind of just alluded to it, but what is the defensive player's mindset going into a game against a tough opponent knowing that you're playing without your real QB1?


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[Assistant] Uh, guys, Deshaun Watson is speaking to the media as we speak. So I'm gonna do a read and then I'm gonna give you the first, the early quotes and we'll react. He was not supposed to speak. He is scheduled to speak and actually speaking right now despite not playing. But on Fridays, you guys know we are from 1231, we're on WKYC TV.


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[Assistant] Join us for 30 minutes of brand new Seahawks and Browns preview content, exclusively on Channel 3, so make sure you guys tap in and tune in tomorrow for that. Deshawn is speaking to the media as we speak. The first quote has come out. This is from Zach Jackson. I'm gonna read this to you guys. And if you have it on Tagboard, you wanna throw it up, you can. It's the one you just had up on your screen right there. Deshawn was asked, how's he doing? He said, quote,


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[Assistant] Just not that one, the one from Zach Jackson. Uh, you take it Steve. Just rehabbing, I'll be back as soon as I possibly can.


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[Assistant] He was asked, did you rush it last week? He said, I don't know. Hope to play again as soon as possible. Just have to go through the process again, get it as strong as possible. We will continue to search and dive through Twitter to find the most recent up-to-date quotes from Deshaun Watson here.


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[Assistant] Another one here coming from Zach. Hold on. We're going to get some live reaction here, but let's react to what Deshaun's saying and, uh, you can take it.


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[Assistant] Watson, why would I want to play? I just worked my ass off for two years to get back.


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[Assistant] This from Tom Withers, Watson said he isn't sure if he suffered a setback by playing last week, but he did acknowledge it, uh, acknowledge, excuse me, it wasn't right.


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[Assistant] Why would anybody listen to that stuff if it ain't coming from me? All the other...


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[Assistant] Is BS, he also went on to say that the national media members don't know me, don't listen to anything they say about me.


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[Assistant] Cav started the season off with a dub and Max Truce looked like the second coming of everything you could have hoped for and then some in his Cavalier debut.


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[Assistant] Well, he doesn't play a lot because he plays no defense and doesn't pass. But anytime he comes in, he scores.


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[Assistant] Three pointers yesterday. Oh, they shot. Yeah, it was a very different offensive philosophy. What was the number?


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[Assistant] For the game, the Cavs were 17 of 43 from 3 at a 40% clip, which is pretty damn good.


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[Assistant] I don't think he's nearly as talented as marketing. Okay. He is in the perfect position here. I've said this all throughout the offseason. They overpaid for him.


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[Assistant] But they overpaid in the sense that they had to to get the perfect guy and to fit their system. He is a prototypical.


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[Assistant] Plug and play 3 and D guy. And when you have Garland and when you have Mitchell, two guys who force the defense, especially in a pick and roll situation, to make a decision. Help.


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[Assistant] You put the defense in a very, very difficult decision. Right. And even Niang, who didn't make it through yesterday, are elite.


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[Assistant] He is the perfect fit for this offense, and the Yang also a perfect fit in how, in my opinion, this offense should be run. Right. Alright, let's do some super chats.


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[Assistant] First from M. Vine says Jimmy Haslam has the final say and does not get a pass in any of this. Peter R. says this show is above spreading conspiracy theories.


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[Assistant] Oshi Bisher says if PJ Walker goes out and wins in Seattle, are you feeling better about the decision to keep him as the starter?


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[Assistant] Or is it still a huge mistake? We can address that after the game on Sunday. Young Majestic 3300 says the media is making way too much out of this. Can it just be they are confident that Sean will be back in a few weeks?


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[Assistant] Mbine says, I think both the Browns and the Sean were misled by the original diagnosis, even though he thought he could play everything snowballed from that.


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[Assistant] That's not half the defense. It takes 11 to be great. We can stop with that argument against the Browns. Ohio Hawks says since when do we hold the head coach and GM to the same press conference standards as the president? Are we allowing


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[Assistant] Uh, people not allowed to be wrong, that's a nothing burger. Daryl says, onto Seattle, go Cavs. James Cosby says, could this bring the team together? Michael Ribovich says, there's a much simpler explanation than the conspiracy theory. If you ever worked at a company with terrible communication, you know stuff you can never imagine like this happens all the time.


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[Assistant] And then last but not least, Ohio Hawks sent it again. It's a giant nothing burger. So thank you for your super chats. And with that, let's welcome in the one, the only Bernie Kozar.


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[Assistant] You know, Mike said something on our call pre-show that it was exactly what I was thinking last night, driving home from the game. If, I told you before the year, Deshawn's not gonna hardly play this year, he's gonna have a bum shoulder, he's gonna go on IR at the halfway point. Nick Chubb's not gonna play all year.


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[Assistant] Uh, you're gonna be down to your fourth and fifth starting tackles. What do you think the Browns record would be right now?


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[Assistant] Full credit to them for doing it, for finding ways to win. They Steelers'd the Steelers yesterday. That's exactly what I said.


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[Assistant] They're going to get there. I think, I think their schedule is a little bit tougher than you might give. Denver is no pushover. What do you mean? No, they're not. Houston is suddenly looking like. I'm scared. The Rams are frisking.


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[Assistant] The Jets, I think that's a win. The Bengals, Week 18 is probably a win, but it shouldn't come to that. None of the, but none of these games are very tough either. I mean, you got the freaking Jaguars in there. The Texans and the Jaguars are not easy. Bears and Jets should be winning. Look at the bill schedule, guys.


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[Assistant] We'll get into it in a little bit, but when we're talking about Stefanski and the way he coaches and everything, I had a player tell me something yesterday and it immediately made me think of you. And we'll talk about it a little bit later about the way that he has sort of changed his style a little bit this year.


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[Assistant] Right on the curve and understand the circumstances he's in. It's probably about a C minus.


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[Assistant] And it's, he's gonna get better, right? Like the more reps he takes, the longer he's in there, he should get better. Obviously he was better from his first start to yesterday, and now he should only continue to grow. You know, he said the open, the Steelers, the Steelers, well he just picketed the Steelers. Because this is as a Kenny Pickett game.


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[Assistant] It's really not there for three quarters, then all of a sudden in the fourth quarter, you're like, where did that come from? Well, that's exactly what DTR did, that final drive. That throw to Elijah Moore was this best throw of the game.


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[Assistant] He made a couple of his best throws on that last run. Yeaah, but that one in particular I thought was his best throw of the game and you talk about the drops and I am gonna count the drops because he was hitting guys right in the hands. I'm counting them too. Yeaah, he hit Elijah Moore right in the hands on one and he dropped it. Now he went right back to him and Elijah made the play.


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[Assistant] So his numbers, every team has drops, yes, but those yesterday looked awfully egregious.


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[Assistant] Probably made his numbers look a little bit worse than what they would have otherwise. I know we're gonna get to the Flacco thing. I don't think Joe Flacco's a factor in this. If Flacco's on the field, something's gone terribly wrong for the Browns. This is DTR's job, I believe.


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[Assistant] We've seen TJ Watt and Alex Highsmith destroy this Browns team before. It was get it out. And I think he,


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[Assistant] I sent this to Mike before the show and he said bring it up if it fits and it fits. He was gonna save it for his Friday Five and maybe he still can.


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[Assistant] Jason Starr is a guy we work with, I work with at the Athletic. He does all the number crunching data analysis. And he found this and sent this to me last night. The Browns have run, listen to this, 182 more plays than their opponents this season.


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[Assistant] 182 to 92. So it's double. Almost double. So the Browns have run 182 more plays. And this is really, it's ball control offense, but it's really the defense and getting off the field three and outs. Listen to this.


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[Assistant] So Brown's opponents are essentially playing three extra games this year. They've been on the field for three extra games.


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[Assistant] And like, and Mike and I were saying, I called him right before the show started, as I was coming to the studio, he said it's, they just beat you with paper cuts. They do, it's death by a million cuts. Yea, they're bringing a paper cut to a gunfight, and they just slice you away.


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[Assistant] They've earned it. And I, but you know, you want to bounce things off players and say, you know, you think I'm crazy for writing this. And one of the players said, I think what he's done a really good job of


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[Assistant] Yeah. I don't know that necessarily they're going to take a lot of the chains off. You're on the road now for the next two weeks and Denver is not an easy place to play in the altitude and everything else. I think you're going to see a very similar game plan of keep it short, keep it, get it out quick and keep everything simple. Keep everything in front of you. We talk about all the time screens, extra linemen and


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[Assistant] Play action, take a deep shot on third down. Now the deep shot, I did expect it to come. I thought, because the Steelers, and Tyvis and I talked about this at halftime, Tyvis said, they're just gonna sit on the routes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's why I think the Browns really, once Pittsburgh figured out they're not throwing it at all, that's normally when Kevin takes a shot. Once you pull him in, that's when he's going to take a shot deep. Get one on one on the outside.


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[Assistant] Zach and I talked about it live. I don't remember. And I forgot to ask Kevin about it after the game. Yea, I'd like to know.


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[Assistant] Side note on all that, I didn't see it live, but I saw on social media, it's hysterical. Miles picking up the quarterback's helmet. Freaking hilarious to have Miles with the stealer's helmet. Do we have the clip of that, Mike? Did you pull it?


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[Assistant] We can get into that later on, but I, he nailed, listen, I told you when they drafted Dwan Jones, it's not about talent, it's about maturity. He's been terrific. Dwan has been great.


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[Assistant] Why I would do it now is because he has earned it to this point. And if, if, if it hits the fan and it goes off the rails,


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[Assistant] We just got done saying they're down to their fourth and fifth tackles. They don't have their franchise quarterback. They don't. So if it winds up at nine and eight or 10 and seven, I still think he earns it because of all that they've overcome.


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[Assistant] Well, you're going to have to do it. You don't want to lambda coach. You don't want to coach going into the last year was deal with. So the time to do it is this off season. You would do it this off season.


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[Assistant] His most value could come, should come in the film room, in the quarterback room during the week. Right. You know, Deshaun I think is going to have the surgery this week, so he's probably going to be out. Right. You know, she was at the game yesterday, but he's not going to be around.


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[Assistant] I know. And Zach and I had this discussion and he said timing's important and you know, Deshaun just got ruled out for the season recently and if you go back and you look week by week by week, I guess you can make a case for why this didn't happen. I agree, I think Flacco's probably better than PJ Walker. Yeaah. Even though he's been golfing up until yesterday, he's probably still better than that.


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[Assistant] You talk about the cap all the time. Every dollar matters. Why would you, it's a game check if you sign him on Friday. And he can't play. He's not gonna play. No. Why would you give him that pro-rated money for that week?


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[Assistant] If you wait an extra week, the money comes down, the cap number comes down, it's not much, but it matters. If he's not gonna play, why do it? You have to, in terms of practice squad spots and 53s and everything else, I think it's more procedural than anything.


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[Assistant] No, I think that they, they knew when he left how it was going to go.


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[Assistant] I don't know the rules well enough. I don't know if they can do that because he was already on the practice squad. They elevated him three times. They put him on the 53.


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[Assistant] So maybe, maybe if he clears waivers, maybe they'd have to release them. Is anybody picking him up? Probably not. And then he would go back. I think, I don't, I don't know. I need to look into that.


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[Assistant] How many games across the NFL come down to last second kicks? We talk about it all the time. That's why I didn't mind them burning the pick on Cade, on Cade York. That's why I didn't mind it either. He just wasn't the right guy.


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[Assistant] That's why I don't want to go too far down the rabbit hole, but I do think that Barry's earned an extension because they missed on the defensive tackles last year. Alright, I'm on board. They missed on the tackles last year. They fixed it. Andrew Barry fixed the issue of defensive tackle. Nailed Martin Emerson.


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[Assistant] Nailed Duann Jones. Nailed Dustin Hopkins. DTR. Listen guys, like we, and I was even guilty of it. You know, I think I texted you guys last week and said, it's the Brock Purdy.


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[Assistant] Either one, either the Schwartz year, the Anthony Schwartz year, or this year with Tillman. Or last year. David Bell. Or David Bell. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] What we haven't seen in Cleveland is you don't give these guys long enough to learn from their mistakes because the first shot, they're out. As soon as they screw up, they're out. Coaches are turned over. GMs are turned over every couple of years. You get better at the job the longer that you do it. And we've seen that with Kevin. We've seen that with the growth in Kevin. And I think we've seen that with AB and the growth of the position.


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[Assistant] Now you can go round and round. I've heard, I've already had comments of people saying because of the Deshaun thing, he doesn't deserve anything.


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[Assistant] I'm still not sure how much ownership was driving that and all that and that's in the conversation for another day. But in terms of the job he's done and putting the team on the field.


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[Assistant] I think Andrew Berry has done a terrific job of assembling this roster, of figuring out where they fell short last year, addressing those areas, and he's nailed it. When you're picking guys in the third and fourth round who are starting for you in their first and second year in the league, and they're playing at the level, Martin Emerson is a top


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[Assistant] 15 cornerback in this le I think he's top 10. Like


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[Assistant] So I guess, I guess my point is, you know, we said before there's a blind spot at draft and receivers and maybe there is, but I, aside from St. Brown, I don't know if there's a ton of guys.


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[Assistant] Okay, 2 out of 3 years, that's the one guy. About 30 guys. Yeaah. So, you know, start draft and receivers in higher rounds. There's their solita. Yeaah, you're right.


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[Assistant] Well, the punt last year was when the suspension went to 11 games. Yes. That is when the season became a punt. Even though everyone screamed at me and wanted to kill me for saying it last year, it's a thousand percent true. As soon as the suspension went to 11 games, they went, well, we'll see you next year because we can't win with the backup quarter. Now y'all can't do that. Now they're trying. Now they are. Now they understand.


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[Assistant] Awesome to have him back. Fun fact, I'm sure you know this. I don't know if you guys know this. He went to college with Howard Stern. Did you guys know that? He did. I did not know that. He worked at the college radio station with Howard Stern. Yeaah. Yeaah. I did a, I wrote a story on Jimmy a couple years ago. That is interesting. We talked about that. By the way, I can speak.


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[Assistant] That could be significant, depending on Thornhill, when, when Juan's back.


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[Assistant] Now if Thornhill's out, I believe Ronnie Hickman is next up. Yes indeed.


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[Assistant] And to answer, to answer the other Slapdex question, it was last year. The Browns. Yeaah. The Steelers. I know. When was the last time?


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[Assistant] And David said yesterday post game he was going home and getting on the jugs machine. I didn't know he was serious.


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[Assistant] Every other year, if you go back, there's always a major storyline, usually involving a star player that has little to do with actually the X's and O's of the game.


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[Assistant] Same way with my kids. And every phone call, they're grown adults. And it's always been that way. And I think it's weird because my father was not that way at all. Right. And I remember when I would leave to go to college every time, I would get, I would say, dad, stand up. I want a hug.


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[Assistant] One of the things we discussed before he died when I said, life regrets, you know, we just, we had a million conversations about things like that. And he said, you know, I learned to express love too late in life. And I regret that.


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[Assistant] It was his generation. His dad fought in World War II. Of course, that's the way it was. That's the way it was. But Bull, I am confident that we are turning the corner and you and I are more part of, and we're the older ones, we're part of the newer wave of men. Don't be afraid to express it. Show her your love.


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[Assistant] I was going to say we need to plan a UCSS outing where we go as a group, we break bread, we enjoy this fine restaurant together.


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[Assistant] All right, Mikey McNuggets, uh, hello to you. Busy show. I don't need to tell you what we're teasing today. It is going to be a wild show. Uh, if you didn't see the Twitter beef yesterday between a media member and, uh, a member of Deshaun Watson's entourage, I guess, as it's being called, but, um,


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[Assistant] It was wild. It was, I couldn't believe it. I thought it was fake. It's real. We'll talk much. We'll go into great detail about that. But first, good morning, Mike. How are you?


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[Assistant] Yeah, this is, uh, guys, this is become the issue of the season. What they've done at quarterback and we'll set the stage for you. After they broke training camp, ready for the season, they decided that


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[Assistant] At the most important position perhaps in all of sports. They were good with going with a backup that had taken zero snaps in the NFL in terms of regular season games.


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[Assistant] You're rolling the dice when you do that. You're unprepared, there's no insurance policy, there's no safety net.


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[Assistant] That position, I think, has been undervalued the last decade in the NFL and I understand why.


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[Assistant] But they need to scratch that insurance policy and they don't have it. And we've seen what they've gotten out of quarterback in the two games that Deshaun Watson was unable to suit up.


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[Assistant] According to everybody that I know that follows the team closely, there are no plans to bring in a backup. Even now, even now as this Deshaun Watson thing looks like, it's going to linger for not, you know,


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[Assistant] Not another game or two, it could be multiple weeks before he comes back. Bullock, I want to start with you.


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[Assistant] And I know that, you know, we've talked about why the position of backup quarterback hasn't been valued, and I get that.


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[Assistant] Exactly, not just on the nail, you hit it in the middle of the head of the nail.


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[Assistant] Gee, that's exactly what's going on with this front office. Exactly. They're too concerned about covering their tracks. That's it. And, and you're right about, think about the leaders that you've been under, whether it's in work or sports.


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[Assistant] And he would have, you c for the Ravens game, he's where he, between throwin how this injury heals fro everything that were hurt doesn't heal if you're wo anything or throwing anyth


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[Assistant] People say he's cleared to play. He's cleared. He's cleared. No one gets an MRI. That's troubling to me. They cleared this man to play four weeks ago.


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[Assistant] It's crazy. You ask the pertinent question. What's happening? Yeah. And I had a conversation with the fan yesterday and this is kind of, it just, I just sort of meandered to this conclusion, but I, here's my guess of what's going on. Barry knows he's in a sling. Stefanski knows he's in a sling.


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[Assistant] To keep DTR as the number two. If they didn't know it was a bad move at first, they knew it after he started against Baltimore. They saw it with their eyes just as we did. Oh god, this kid's not ready. So now they realize we've made a grave miscalculation. Their butts are in the hot seats. So I think what they're doing is all of the


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[Assistant] Separate all the verbiage that's come from them and all of the verbiage that's come from Watson.


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[Assistant] You've got a team saying on multiple occasions, he was cleared to play. He will play in 10 days from now.


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[Assistant] There is no pain. Medically cleared. Medically cleared. Asked Sunday after the game, is he going to be your starter in Seattle? Now, he was saying as long as he's healthy, but yeah, he's my guy. Everything they have said has basically been like someone opening the door for someone to say, come on in.


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[Assistant] It's all been laying the groundwork for the fan base and the media. He's good to go. Now you got to Sean, who by the way is the only person qualified to say when he's ready to play. And you know what that is? When he has complete and full confidence of where he's throwing the ball.


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[Assistant] And he's doing it pain free. He is not to that point. We saw that Sunday. So I think you've got the player saying,


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[Assistant] I'm not in any hot seat. Nobody's coming after me. My money's guaranteed. I'm not playing for a contract. Baker didn't have that luxury. Baker had to play. So you've got a player who's saying no.


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[Assistant] Bad leaders double down on stupid. They double down on it. No, we're gonna be good. You keep convincing yourself, no, Anthony Schwartz is a baller. No, David Bell


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[Assistant] The football team is a high powered race car. They've got.


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[Assistant] A top flight engine, the best engine money can buy. Let's call that the defense.


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[Assistant] They've got a couple of really nice shiny tires in guys like Miles Garrett and Amari Cooper. Guys that we would mostly say are either the best at their position or certainly amongst the best at their position.


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[Assistant] They've got all these pieces, but before the season started...


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[Assistant] They went to the shop and they said, now, do we have all of the backup parts we're going to need? Because during the race, you don't know what you're going to throw. You might throw a bait, a brake drum. You might throw a, you know, a chassis, whatever you're going to. So a good team owner.


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[Assistant] Are we good? And, and if I think we're good with that, but if we're not, let's order a backup steering column. So if on lap 27, we cracked the steering column, we can bring them into the pits, put a new one in, get it back out on the track and still have a chance. That's what a good team owner in NASCAR would do. They didn't do that. They sent their backup steering column.


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[Assistant] So away, and they had an unproven one that's never been tested sitting in the box. It was new.


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[Assistant] But I don't know, it hasn't been tested, no research has been done on it, we don't know. Let's go with this. And the steering column won't break. Then about a quarter of the way through the race, the driver comes in and he says, something's wrong man, this car's shimmy and my steering column's got a crack. And the engineer looks under the hood, he's like, oh my god, there's a crack in there. What are we gonna do? You can't sit there and think about it. Well, get the car back out on the track.


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[Assistant] Well that's the worst thing that can happen. Because if that steering column cracks, that car goes into the wall and that beautiful engine that was the highest paid, best performing engine all year is gone. And those shiny tires, Miles Garrett and Amari Cooper, they're meaningless. Your car has crashed into the wall.


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[Assistant] The quarterback in this scenario is the steering column. You know it's cracked. You didn't have a backup. Get one. Now.