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[Assistant] The problem with them this season is going to be where the run's going to come from. Outside of Hosey and Naylor, there's not a lot of run producers in there, and that's going to be tough.


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[Assistant] There were other app ads where I'm like, okay, I see now why there's such an addiction to him because he can put it all together, if he can put it all together, but holes in his swing.


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[Assistant] Not great plate discipline and I just don't know. I hope for the kid that he can even, you know, they need two, three.


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[Assistant] If they're, and by in it, I mean, like, within four or five games. Last year, they were within two, I think, of the white, of the, uh, of the twins, and they were, they were sellers.


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[Assistant] He's got to go or they get nothing for him. They get nothing for him. So, but my hope is we're in within striking distance and they, they keep them. I'm still fearful that he's going to be traded before that. To maximize your return on them.


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[Assistant] Out like five plus games out of first place. Yeaah. To be sellers.


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[Assistant] Guy off the bench that's won the MVP of the All-Star game.


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[Assistant] You know, you can't even predict what the playing time is gonna be. It's probably not gonna be a lot. So I just think it's a long shot for either one. But I like what you said about the, you know, he's got the confidence to say, yeah, I'll do it.


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[Assistant] He's got a shooter's chance. He's got a shooter's chance. We're headed over to WKYC in a sec.


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[Assistant] So, so Lambe is, uh, it's my brand. It's my, it's my personal baby. Uh, started it in 2020 when I was in Ohio Media School. Sometimes, man, God tell you to just do something, even if you don't know what the end result is gonna be.


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[Assistant] You do your geology, uh, genealogy. Yep. My family are Native American, uh, Blackfoot Cherokee Indians. So the broken arrow is a sign for peace. Uh, it's one of the Blackfoot Cherokee signs for peace. And then land made, man, I'm from Cleveland, born and raised.


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[Assistant] Happy birthday to, to sister Lucas, man. God bless you, man. I wish you, wish you well.


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[Assistant] Hey, you know, y'all know something crazy? Like, I'm the fifth Earl Morden in my family. Are you really? Yeah, and my uncle is a deacon. Deacon Earl Morden.


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[Assistant] All the Maldons go right here. My family, the Maldon family, is from Blueheel, uh, Bluefield, West Virginia, and there's actually a hill in Bluefield called Maldon Hill.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I just always made it myself. See, like, especially back when I was playing NBA live before 2K, because I always lacked hoop skills. And so that was the game to where, yeah, I'm definitely going to be Earl Morton. I'm about to be the Hooper that I always wanted to be, that I never, that I never could be when I create this player.


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[Assistant] That's my own name. Wait, you created a player in Madden 24?


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[Assistant] I'm surprised he's not a Bronco. I expect him not to be a Cleveland Brown. That's fair, that's fair. I expect that.


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[Assistant] I bet you, uh, Att was the first person, like with Pokemon, he was the first person to ever take Pikachu and beat Charizard. Like, he fought the cheat code to beat Charizard with Pikachu. I bet you he did.


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[Assistant] But no, you not crazy and 31 ain't old, right? So like,


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[Assistant] I don't believe he's gonna hit the market, but if he does, you know, definitely to bring him in. And if you decide to bring him in as somebody else as well, cool. Uhm, I know Mike Evans is the topic, but like real, my number one choice would be T Higgins.


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[Assistant] Number two would probably be Mike Evans, but I think both of those are unrealistic. So realistic options that I have, Calvin Ridley, 29 years old. I'll take him. Went, uh, 1,016, eight touchdowns last year.


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[Assistant] Michael Pittman Jr. 26 years old, went over 1,100 yards, had four touchdowns. And then Gabe Davis, of course, who was in Buffalo with uh, Ken Dorsey.


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[Assistant] 24 years old, coming off his working contract, 746 yards, seven touchdowns. The thing about him, he's had at least six touchdowns in each of his four seasons in the NFL. And so I would love and I can dream and fantasize about having Mike Evans on this roster as well. I just don't think realistically that's going to be, uh, that's going to be the case.


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[Assistant] I think if you can find a way to financially get it done.


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[Assistant] You get it done. I really don't care about a sporty time, right? You know, I think great wide receivers are have the ability to run routes. And if you're a great route runner.


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[Assistant] He's fast enough to be able to get open. So like, I agree with everything that you just said.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, we talk a lot about this year being the proving year. We've talked a lot about this year, the office being totally made over.


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[Assistant] Damn, they're every coach on the offensive style, uh, offensive side of the ball.


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[Assistant] It's totally different. And so you'd be able to bring in a weapon like this to try to open up the offense more. You heard Deshaun Watson say in one of his podcast since last month, we're going to be throwing a ball and we're going to be throwing the ball a lot. You know, you need to eventually go get a guy that's not David Najoku to compliment a Marty Coupe.


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[Assistant] And they're Brown's career? Yep. Alright, so in no particular order, and I know this is probably gonna be wrong, I'm gonna say Paul Warfield is on that list.


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[Assistant] Think about it like this though, because we talked about this a little bit yesterday, that Andrew Barry is going to have to change his approach to how he evaluates this position and how he goes about acquiring players that play this position.


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[Assistant] No more third, fourth and sixth round pitch at wide receiver, right? Your, your best acquisition at wide receiver can't be a trade when you went and stole Omari Cooper from the Dallas Cowboys. And so to me, I could see him possibly going out there to trade for another wide receiver. You know, we talk a lot about Gabe Davis, but.


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[Assistant] Hell, you might go trade for Stefan, uh, Stefan Diggs. You never know how that might work out. I think that because of how badly you've missed in a draft.


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[Assistant] You need to swing big in free agency and go get a wide receiver because the one thing that is working in the Brown's favor is that for the last couple of years, you don't have a lot of veterans playing on one year deals.


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[Assistant] And so I don't think the salary cap is going to be as big as an issue.


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[Assistant] As people might think it is, and you can always manipulate the cap if there's a player out there, right, that you really, really want. And so when you, when you couple everything that we're talking about, the fact that we know he's been bad in the draft when it comes to going to get wide receivers and we clearly all believe that this is a make or break season.


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[Assistant] You need to go in free agency and you need to go out there and swing big to go get you a big-time primary playmaker that can take some pressure off of Maury Coupe.


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[Assistant] I think it will play a role in how he goes about carrying himself this offseason.


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[Assistant] If he goes into free agency, which it looks like he will, without a contract extension,


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[Assistant] Then yeaah, it's gonna change how aggressive I am. I am gonna be more aggressive than probably I was in the past. We've all know, always know Andrew Berry to be aggressive anyway. So imagine somebody that's already been aggressive.


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[Assistant] Kind of like leveling up a little bit more. Being willing to kind of like, you know, swing for the fences a little bit more.


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[Assistant] The Browns are set to get they 20, get they first round draft heat.


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[Assistant] It wouldn't surprise me if he traded the 20-25 first round pick, but if it brought back a player that can have an immediate impact and can help the Browns reach their ultimate goal this upcoming season, then it was all for it. Like you said, you're not operating under the, uh, under the premises that you're going to be here past this upcoming season. So you got to go all in.


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[Assistant] The sad part about it is I did all that complaining. I knocked it out.


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[Assistant] I put them in a blue chip group, right? Interesting. And the reason, like I had to make sure I wasn't


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[Assistant] I wasn't being biased because everybody knows, you know, I'm a homer. But no, I'll put him there because Miles Garrett is already great.


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[Assistant] Like, he's great. And I think Agbo and I think Zedaria Smith are good.


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[Assistant] But I also think like McGuire and Wright, these are young dudes that got a lot of upside. And so if I have somebody that's great, and I got two players that I consider that's in the head category, and then I got two dudes who they're young, but I feel like their trajectory is this way, then collectively to me that's a blue chip grade.


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[Assistant] Now see, when I did this list, I went to the Browns website and it's still there. And it's still there.


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[Assistant] I definitely would be mad at you if you said it was yellow. To me it's green because if you look at this position group, I think what's dope about this group is not a single player that's considered a defensive tackle that you would say is a top 10 player at their position.


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[Assistant] Thomas and Plobley fall somewhere between 15 and 20. I think same thing with Maurice Hurst. But what I thought to be really, really cool was out of 130 defensive tackles that was ranked by PFF, three of those do finished within the top 57.


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[Assistant] And so collectively as a unit, I think they're very good. I think Dalvin Thomason is really good. I think Maurice Hirsch is really good. Uhm, as you alluded to, Shelby Harris, right?


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[Assistant] Agent veteran, contract situation, and then you have Siaka Ika, who is, was a rookie last year, played in four games, really didn't make any noise. But overall, I think it's a very, very solid and serviceable group, so I had to give it a go.


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[Assistant] I think it's going to be three, I think they're going to re-sign Jordan Elliott, I think they're going to re-sign Maurice Hurst, I think they're going to trust the development of Siaka Ika, and then I think either via free agency or draft obtain another defensive


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[Assistant] The injury history quote unquote, right? Because Denzel Ward for example.


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[Assistant] Man ain't never played a complete season, but when he out there, he a dog. So if I know, if I got Maurice Hurst.


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[Assistant] 10-11 games. Cool. You did your thing. I just, I can't afford to, in this season in particular, I can't afford to not sign or re-sign a good football player because he might get hurt.


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[Assistant] Like, obtain and then keep as many good football players on your roster as you possibly can. And Maurice Hurst is one of them, and you just gonna, players get hurt, so you just gonna have to deal with that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I can remember man, true story. And G, you might remember this. Remember Gary Baxter that played for the Baltimore Ravens? So like, Gary Baxter used to be a dog, right? And this was like one of the first


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[Assistant] Big like free agents that the brows had signed. Dude didn't have no injury history, no none of that. And I think he ended up blowing out both his knees or something like that on the same place.


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[Assistant] So you, you said pink, green. I kinda had it like pink or yellow. Okay? And I'm considering the same things that you're considering. Like, Jock is the best of the group. Stud. Uhm, I'ma go yellow because my gut instinct says they're gonna re-sign Takitaki for the same reasons that we just talked about. You wanna keep good football players. What about Walker?


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[Assistant] I think it's time to move on from uh, from Anthony Walker. I think the whole being a locker room presence thing, like, and I'm big on that, but at the same time, if that's the only way that you can contribute


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[Assistant] We already got dudes in here that's savvy veterans that's respected in the locker room. You're not producing on the football field. You can't get on the football field. Injuries happen.


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[Assistant] I mean, last year, right, there were people arguing he had a top 5 PFF grade and a man played three games.


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[Assistant] So, it's different strokes for different folks. You know what I'm saying? Maurice, Maurice Hurst was more impactful for the Cleveland Browns defense during the time that he played, in my opinion, than Anthony Walker was. That ain't no shade to Anthony Walker, I just think it's time to move on. Same for Jacob Phillips, right?


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[Assistant] He, he, I mean, they tried with him the entire time he was on his rookie deal. I think they're done with that situation. I, I think Taki Taki is coming back. Uh, it'll be interesting to see how they address this linebacker position, but I can't believe we said this a year later, but it's jocking everybody else. It is jocking everybody else.


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[Assistant] It's agreeing to me. I'ma tell you why, it's agreeing to me. Grant Dopey is on his way to being a blue chip player, right? And I think that, I think that


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[Assistant] Juan Thornhill didn't live up to the expectations coming in. That's a fair assessment.


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[Assistant] But I don't think he played God awful. And then what I really really like is D'Anthony Bale and Ronnie Hickman. I think you kind of like came up on two really really young safeties that have a lot of upside and seems to play very well in Jim Schwartz's scheme and system. So much to the point to where


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[Assistant] If the Cleveland Browns moved on from Wyand Thornhill after this year, it will be because, uh,


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[Assistant] How well that D'Anthony Bell and Ronnie Hickman has played. So to me, it's a good group.


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[Assistant] Led by Grant Delpit, he has some injury history, he has some injury concerns, but when that dude is on the football field, he has shown that he has elevated himself to a top 10 safety in the NFL. I think Thornhill is good enough, and I love the upside of both Hickman and Bell, so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we got Ricky's next. I'm not going here, but I just, like until somebody said, I didn't talk to Donovan Mitchell myself and Donovan Mitchell said he's not coming back to Cleveland.


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[Assistant] Like all this, this, this just unnecessary speculation. Enjoy Donovan Mitchell why he's here. Like appreciate the fact that he's being a constant pro why he's here, that he's representing the city of Cleveland, that he's not throwing in your face, that he might possibly want to go play somewhere else. The dude shows up every single day to come work.


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[Assistant] Play his ass off and put the Cavs in the best situation to have success and we put energy towards him possibly leaving here two years


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[Assistant] I mean I think an overall C-grade when you combine every rookie is fair. I'm looking at the individual players on this list right now. I mean Ronnie Hickman, Dewan Jones.


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[Assistant] Those are the dudes that I'm looking at that really had an impact. Outside of that, ain't nobody else really do nothing.


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[Assistant] But, in his defense though, we didn't see any worse. Brian Rybicki came here from Ohio State 1, which has always produced wide receivers before it was called wide receiver U. And your daddy was a wide receivers coach, and you couldn't get off the line of scrimmage. So I'll take Cedric Tillman's issue. That's all I'm saying.


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[Assistant] Like, I'm interested to see what year two look like for Cedric Tillman. I think DTR is going to end up being a very good quarterback. I think Isaiah McGuire is going to be a good defensive end. Can't wait to see what, uh, you know, what eco will bring us, but.


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[Assistant] Like you said, you said in the article said, I mean, from the production we got, Hickman is seven games and, and DeWine Jones and however many games he played, that's the cream of the crop. And so like, if they were a B or B plus, unfortunately it's dropped down because everybody else did absolutely nothing.


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[Assistant] Dewan Jones went from what he went to to an all-pro rather first or second team, but like next year it wouldn't surprise me at all. I think that dude...


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[Assistant] He played well enough to see how good he can be. I think he's seen a little bit of his own potential. And I think he'll be motivated behind that. That's the biggest steal of this entire draft, right? Because for the longest, he was touted as a first round pick.


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[Assistant] You know, you know how like at the end of the draft, the previous year, they always showed a big board for the next year. He was right there in the top 10 prospects right, right, right up in there. So.


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[Assistant] Only problem with that though, cause me and him had this conversation.


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[Assistant] The decision is made. MJ Emerson, I think, can be elite. I'm trading Can, I'm trading Greg Newsome if I can in San Francisco.


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[Assistant] I give you, I give you Newsome and I give you a third this year or Newsome and a third this year or a fourth next year.


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[Assistant] I wanna see JB Biggers to have him get creative, think outside the box, and come up with a plan to where...


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[Assistant] You continue to work on your curtain starting five, get that solidified, make sure these dudes chemistry is right. But now you start to deploy all these different lineup variations so that you can counter whatever any team throws that you come to playoffs.


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[Assistant] You alluded to this a lot, it's a huge, it's a much different game once you get to the playoff. The game slows down a lot, the defense gets much tighter, and every single game the opposing team pick a player who they're gonna try to eliminate, right? And you might run into a situation to where Donovan Mitchell is not on, to where Darius Garland is not on.


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[Assistant] To be like, you know what? What happened to us last year will never happen again. Oh, y'all gonna do this? Alright, cool. Let me get my 1A out here. Oh, y'all doing that? Alright, bet. Let me get this group out here. Oh, y'all think y'all slick with this? It's cool. We was working on this with this lineup as soon as we came back from an All-Star break.


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[Assistant] So I think that knowing that I believe that the Cavaliers is going to finish the season as a top three seed, right? And I think that.


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[Assistant] As you journey along locking up a top three seed while stabilizing your starting five, I think it's necessary for you to try all these different lineup combinations so that you can throw anything at an opposing team come playoff.


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[Assistant] I hope so. I think the best coaches are flexible. I think that once you assess the situation at hand and you can make the adjustments or whatever adjustments in the same moment, that's the best way to go. Ideally for me, I hope the dude who steps up


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[Assistant] And continue to differentiate his self as Isaac O'Coral. Like the last game that he played before we reached the All-Star break, he took and made.


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[Assistant] Uh, career highs and three-point shots. You see the dude shoot the ball with more confidence every single time. He is the best perimeter defender that we have on his team. Me and Mike talked about this, uh, a couple of Sundays ago.


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[Assistant] We have heard a lot about how hard Isaac Acora works. Always the first dude in, last dude out, right? And for me, I appreciate somebody that's willing to put in the work, that's willing to grind like that, and he's starting to turn into


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[Assistant] A dude that was a top five pick and that you getting returned on investment from, right? And it's simply because he's putting in that work. And if that dude in particular continues to do the things that he's doing and can prove his self come playoffs, that makes the Cavaliers way more dangerous than what they currently is right now before they even tip off on third.


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[Assistant] Speaking of Darius Garland, let me tell you something. In all seriousness though, I gotta give that dude his kudos. Because I felt like he needed to come off the bench in order to get his groove back. And he proved me wrong. Like, I should have been more patient with him instead of trying to microwave this situation.


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[Assistant] With each passing game, you've seen the dude get better. You've seen him, like, be more confident. You started to see the scoring come back alive. Remember the Darius Garland of last year? He used to dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble.


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[Assistant] This dude is playing more as a point guard that's a facilitator and not somebody that's just out there dribbling the basketball. I just see a lot of different things over the, before we hit the all-star break that makes me feel like, okay,


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[Assistant] I was wrong. He didn't need to come off the bench to kind of get his mojo back. It just needed to be more patient with him as he was patient and just not forcing anything.


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[Assistant] That shut me up. You was able to find Joe Mojo, like, in the starting lineup, and you didn't have to come off the bench to do it. So, I gotta give you your flowers. That's one of those things to where I'm not, I'm not mad I was wrong about.


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[Assistant] This, this might be a situation though with him, to where like, I agree with you, you can't get cooked, but his best defense might be his offense.


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[Assistant] I just, like, we talk a lot about defense and I know defense matters more in the playoffs. I'm not going to say it don't matter or I'm not concerned about it. I just know that last year, the Cavs was one of the best defensive teams in the NBA all year round. And it didn't matter. And so at the end of the day,


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[Assistant] Alright, so I thought this one was pretty cool because, you know, this woman clearly was Venus Williams before Venus Williams, but today we're going to spotlight Althea Gibson, who in 1950 became the first black female tennis player.


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[Assistant] Uh, she was one of the first women to cross color barriers in professional sports and became the first black women to win a grand slam title when she won the


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[Assistant] Uh, she would go on to capture a title at each of the Grand Slam tournaments for a grand total of 11.


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[Assistant] She also competed on the LPGA Tour in 1964. That's great. Becoming the first woman ever to compete professionally in both tennis and in golf. So today man, we give our flowers to Althea Gibson.


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[Assistant] That's crazy. It is just like, you know, we all know the Williams sisters and for a lot of people it's like, you know, that is the...


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[Assistant] That's the standard, man, but this woman, like, she was the trendsetter. She was the one who really started this whole thing. And here it is, another black athlete, uhm, in a time frame to where


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[Assistant] Like, it was so hard for you to just get recognition, to get treated fairly on a normal basis. And I think what makes this so cool is because she's a black woman. Like, it's hard for women in this country, like, in general, right? And I can only imagine


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[Assistant] You know, racial barriers and gender barriers, like kudos to her. It takes some type of woman to be able to do what she did at said time.


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[Assistant] That's, I'ma start going around telling people, Venus who? But you know, I thought that was cool cause like, you know, Serena Williams is one of my favorite athletes, like of all time. Like Serena Williams is on my bucket list of people to interview before my career is over.


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[Assistant] I give you two, that's all. I give you three, that's all mine. Michael Jordan, Muhammad Ali, Serena Williams.


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[Assistant] I ain't gonna say no nays, but we was in a chat, right? And I think the only thing that triggered me was the fact that like,


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[Assistant] You know, when LeBron said that he's uncomfortable.


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[Assistant] Just cause he got chosen when tattooed on his chest, right? Like, that's one thing. I might think I'm really, really good at what I do. And in my own little community, when we amongst ourselves, I might say, yeah, I'm good. I'm damn good. And I know I'm going to be great at this one day, right?


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[Assistant] That hits a whole lot different than somebody else telling me, hey, you know what, Earl, I think you good. I think you gonna be great one day. Receiving that.


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[Assistant] Like from somebody else, don't always hit the same and it's not always as comfortable as you believe in it in yourself. As long as you believe in yourself that you are the dog crap.


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[Assistant] Okay, as long as you, as long as you believe you the shit, yea, who cares if, like, like, if somebody else think it or don't think it. As long as you believe it. Like, just, just understand, like,


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[Assistant] He deserves man, he deserves every single applause, every single like round of flowers, everything. Like if you really think about LeBron James career and the expectations that were set on LeBron James career and the fact that he has surpassed


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[Assistant] Every single expectation that was the difference between LeBron, Kobe and Mike. Kobe and Mike really, really had to work.


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[Assistant] At being great. It was expected that LeBron James was going to be great as soon as he put the jersey on.


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[Assistant] You see what I'm saying? So like, if the dude wants to take a victory lap or a farewell tour, you've earned it. But don't say like, because he feel that way, that that's the most asinine thing that you ever heard.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like what I'm saying is like, just LeBron James in general in Northeast Ohio, like,


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[Assistant] Before like slam magazine and everything was kind of getting hip to LeBron 17 years old. We was already, we was already hip to what was going on. So to be watching him play multiple sports for this long and to be playing at this high of a level still is, it's just so crazy. Like this is a dude.


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[Assistant] Once he decides to hang it up, the only thing that bothered me was it's like, and it's not cause he an athlete. I just got a problem. Like anytime people feel like they need to call bullshit on how somebody else feel about themselves. If you don't know that person, if the man says he's uncomfortable, like receiving praise.


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[Assistant] Then, okay, he uncomfortable receiving praise. I don't know LeBron James to like...


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[Assistant] To not take his word at face value when it comes to that.


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[Assistant] You see what I'm saying? Now we can sit up here and give our opinions on, on the basketball side of things and what he do on the basketball court, but I don't know that man, like, like some things,


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[Assistant] While we waiting on Jason, I do want to respond to something G said. I think that if LeBron went to LA and had this expectation


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[Assistant] That he was going to be viewed in a certain light, then that was unrealistic because even before he went there, you heard Magic Johnson say a long time ago,


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[Assistant] To be like validated as I'm a Laker at heart. And it's funny because we have a lot of conversations when we hear LeBron speak about


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[Assistant] His different places he's played at, his different tenures in the course of his career. I don't think he ever flat out just say it, but I think he enjoyed himself most here. I think his memories that he created here in Cleveland are the ones that's most special to him. The ones that resonate with him the most. You can see it in his body language when he talks.


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[Assistant] Meanwhile, like, he act like the Miami Heat version of himself never existed. Like, the best version of LeBron's basketball form just didn't exist.


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[Assistant] Jason, what's up brother? First things first. Man, I need a shot glass when you're on your way back to Cleveland.


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[Assistant] And I was kind of irritated about it. I'm not the biggest baseball savant, but with Steven Vogt, E&S, the new manager, you know, the second year playing under the new rules at MLB with this young infusion of talent. Does this have the chance to be a better fit, a better mesh versus then what it was last year with Tito?


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[Assistant] You know, all those young guys that we have, uh, everyone has a year under their belt. And that's just a year of experience in the big leagues is different than any other level in baseball. And we're going to utilize that to the best of our abilities. And we're going to be really successful this year. It's going to happen.


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[Assistant] Feel like you have to evolve with the game, and obviously what you just said is 100% on the head right there. Uhm, you have to evolve, you have to...


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[Assistant] You know, the backside, we've been last in home runs, so it's, we have room to take some chances and make some errors in that aspect in order to hit some more home runs or hit some more slug.


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[Assistant] You knock out half those and wins. I mean, we're a 90-win team, so it's, it's a different club. And it's, we understand that. We have a chip on our shoulder. It's going to be a good year.


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[Assistant] Are we going to be the Braves of the Dodgers and lead the MLB in home runs? Absolutely not, but we're going to take pride in hitting doubles and driving those runs in and run the bases really well with some more slug and maybe some more strikeouts just because we can take that risk.


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[Assistant] Well, what the heck is going on? What is going on? The beard is no more. It was a sad day. How long did it take you to shave it?


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[Assistant] I didn't do it. Uh, my, the girl who cut, shout out to the girl, the woman who cuts my hair, Jen.


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[Assistant] Uh, did it. Shout out Jen. I was, I went for a haircut yesterday and I was just thinking about it and I'm like, going to Florida, it's going to be hot. And, you know, I've been wearing a mask outside of work.


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[Assistant] I didn't even know this was such a thing. Post viral cough.


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[Assistant] A lot of people are getting this. It's like after a virus you keep coughing.


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[Assistant] And so my doctor said it can last for two months.


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[Assistant] Where you're not contagious, but you cough, you have bad coughing fits. She was like, you gotta drink water every time you cough, you gotta do sucking candies, and if you do that, it could end into it. But anyway, and my wife was not feeling great earlier in the week, so I was like, I gotta be real careful, I cannot get sick, I wanna be healthy, and I'm leaving in three days, so.


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[Assistant] Uh, I'm like paranoid about it, and so I've been wearing the mask, and the mask, wearing the mask with the beard was really annoying.


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[Assistant] Obviously wearing a mask sucks, period. But wearing it with a beard was so annoying. So between that and knowing it's going to be hot in Florida when I go, I was like...


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[Assistant] I think I'm going to shave it off. And I was sad because I really, it was the longest beard I ever had in my life. How do you feel now with the naked face? It feels weird. When I first saw my face, I was like, and it hasn't been that long. It's only been like, I don't know, four or five months maybe.


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[Assistant] But, uh, it was weird to see my face without the beard. It feels good though.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I know I didn't like that, but I think I look much younger. You do.


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[Assistant] And if you can quarantine them, yeaah, go to your own wing, dawg. No, no, no, that's it. So I'm ready to go. So anyway, good to be back. I feel like I'm off forever with Mondays and Tuesdays. And after I come back from vacation, I'm gonna be working more often, which I'm excited about.


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[Assistant] But anyway, lot to get to today. Nick Chubb, could he end up being a cap casualty? Uh, should Jim Brown's number be retired across the NFL? When, when Earl first texted the rundown, my first thought about that subject was one thing, and then by the time I got the,


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[Assistant] Also, I know there's been some talk already this week about the, what is it, the tent poles, not the tent poles. The Championship Foundation. Championship Foundation. We'll get into that some more today. So there's a lot to get to on today's show.


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[Assistant] And I know, by the way, I know you said this just talked about the death, but give me 30 seconds on this. Because everybody was so worked up about the All-Star game, especially old people, old people.


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[Assistant] NBA All-Star game, right? And I gotta say I'm proud of myself because I feel like I'm becoming less of a old guy curmudgeon.


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[Assistant] I don't understand why people are so worked up about this All-Star game.


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[Assistant] There's so many old white dudes, I shouldn't even say white dudes, I think old people just in general. You're describing Bob Ryan. It's who you're really describing. But it's not, this is, I think this has actually nothing to do with race. This is just age. Old people remember


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[Assistant] People my age and older remember what the game used to be. And the game was a lot better. The actual game, all-star game, was a lot better. But it's not like this is the first year it's been this way. And by the way, the ratings were up.


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[Assistant] So the young fans, they don't care that they're not playing defense. So all the 50, 60, 70 year old people out there, stop getting worked up, just don't watch it. I don't watch it because I'm not interested. So there, but let it be.


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[Assistant] That's it. It's different. And that's okay. I used to be someone who would all the time, like, all the new music sucks. I mean...


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[Assistant] I, it's just not my cup of tea, new music for the most part. That doesn't mean it sucks, it just means it's not what I like. But, but I got, we gotta stop being like, our generation did all this right, and these young people are a bunch of idiots. No, they just like different things than we did. Just like when we were young, and, and obviously you're in a different generation than us, and even G and I are.


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[Assistant] I wouldn't, I mean if I were, I say I wouldn't want to play for the Yankees, but that's bullshit. Yea, he played for the Yankees.


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[Assistant] I guess I would have to, yeaah, based on that I have to go pink.


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[Assistant] I don't think significantly, but I agree. My old character is better than Amari Cooper. Alright, I'm okay with that. We, we, but we had a light blue. We had a light blue. Light blue, yea. I go light blue.


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[Assistant] I'm yellow. I'm not sold completely on anybody at Satan. I don't, they're not terrible, but I think, I don't know that any of them are good.


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[Assistant] Because when I saw the Bengals list, he didn't have any combined options of linemen. I thought that was weird, but go ahead.


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[Assistant] So let's see how Daniel Jeremiah went. It's a little hard for me to read or else you might have to tell me there. So we start with Deshaun Watson. He gets a yellow.


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[Assistant] If you say he's a green, you're just projecting.


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[Assistant] Of course. Yeaah. But he hasn't been. He's not. He's never been in the green. He was in the blue in Houston.


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[Assistant] That Dalvin Cook and Ezekiel Elliott, who both basically went off the cliff last year, uhm, were, were.


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[Assistant] At his best he's better than those guys, but not by much.


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[Assistant] When they were all at their best. I mean those guys were great robo backs too.


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[Assistant] So, uh, in fact those guys are both better pass catchers than he is or have been in their careers. So there's no, I don't even, I love, I love you Earl, but like the, last week you were arguing that somebody would, some team would pay, uh, Nick Schubb.


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[Assistant] I know, but I'm saying last week you argued that he would, uh, somebody would pay him big money in free agency, which is never gonna happen.


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[Assistant] Well, wait a second. First of all, we're talking about a different position. Right. So, okay, that's number one.


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[Assistant] But there's no way you could be sure about that. I never said I was sure. Well, but-


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[Assistant] The pink means it's a question mark. The yellow.


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[Assistant] If you're saying you're not sure about it, then you're saying it's a question mark. None of the things you, everything you said just now is hope. It's not facts. The facts are... I never said it was facts, though. None of it is facts.


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[Assistant] I agree he's, uh, isn't, aren't Dalvin Cook and Ezekiel Elliott great backs? They were. They was never on the same level as Nick Chubb. I, I don't know that they weren't. I mean, I would take Nick Chubb over them, but not by much. I think it's minuscule different. Dalvin Cook has been one of the best backs in the league. Same thing with Zeke Elliott, but they both went off the cliff.


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[Assistant] Both had their worst years of their career and they weren't coming off an injury that Nick Chubb is. To say you're not worried about it, the assumption is not even going to be ready for week one.


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[Assistant] Salute. Yeah, I mean, I, do I, do I think it's possible he could be blue champ? Oh, absolutely. It's possible, but...


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[Assistant] It's too big, it's too big at devastating an injury and at his age for a running back that there's too many question marks.


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[Assistant] We'll get more to that in a little bit, but let's go to the next position. What do we got next?


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[Assistant] The six or eight best guys. I don't know where that line is exactly. It's that tier one. Whatever the number is, it's that tier one.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, so to me, Amari Cooper's probably somewhere around 10. Right. He might be 9, he might be 11, he might be 8, he might be 12. Someone there. My first gut reaction is that he, that green is right for him.


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[Assistant] But I would make him, like, to me, David Najoku's a light green and Amari Cooper's a dark green. Closer to blue. I can't disagree with that. Why, cause you think Najoku's going up?


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[Assistant] Amari Cooper's done it a number of years. Now he's getting older so he could drop off. And that's part of the joke. But the joker's only played, and he first of all. He had half a great season. Amari Cooper has had a few tier one seasons. Yes. I mean he. David the joker has never had a tier one season and he's only had one tier two seasons.


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[Assistant] The, uh, behind the glass with, uh, Anthony Earl and Mike. Eventually we'll have a Cleveland, an Ultimate Cleveland Guardian show, which will probably start sometime in March with a host to be determined.


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[Assistant] Oh, center of the basketball. Okay. I can hear you now, Earl. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] So, you got Kelsey, Laporta, Kittle, Andrews, Laporta, and then


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[Assistant] Now we're forgetting a good, oh, Hawkinson. Okay.


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[Assistant] I think Amari Cooper's just as close. I think it's close. Now, you're asking who'd you rather have for the next five years, of course you'd rather have Nijoku. If you're asking who's been the consistently better player in their careers, it's not close. Amari Cooper's been way back. But in the end, I think they're both Greeks.


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[Assistant] Well, here's the thing. If you look at the PFF grades,


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[Assistant] Teller and Pochich had good seasons. Yes. But Tonio was eh, he was okay. Duann Jones, based on PFF, was okay, which we're fine with because he's a rookie.


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[Assistant] And the other guys were not very good. Yeaah, yeaah, you're right. So maybe that's why they split it that way. Because, I mean, right now Wyatt Taylor's prob, I think it's past Petonio. I would agree. Has the best alignment on the team.


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[Assistant] Nah, not really. When those guys start to tail off.


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[Assistant] It can go quick. The general public doesn't really pick up on that.


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[Assistant] Right. Yeah. Perfectly. Or hi, maybe back up's not even the right word. High quality rotational player. He's a good piece. Yes. A good piece. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I think we know what Agbo is. He's a good solid. Like Alex Rick could be better, but he might not be as good as Agbo.


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[Assistant] I'm with you guys. I think he's blue. Now, I think he's lower tier blue, but I think, I think he's not like dark blue Miles Garrett, but he's in the blue, uh, because he is a guy to me, he's one of the few quarters in the league that teams are like, teams worry about him.


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[Assistant] He is, like, obviously teams worry most about Miles Garrett when you play the Browns. But after that, they worry about Denzel Ward. And we saw what this defense looked like when Denzel didn't play. Their secondary was lousy.


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[Assistant] It's like the lows are really low. When he's bad, he's really bad.


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[Assistant] I look at them that way. But I can't go blue on him. I'm green with that.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, I don't agree with the 10 part of that. Like, to me, 10 is... I think 13-14.


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[Assistant] If you're saying a guy is going to play 13-14, yeaah, I can live with that. As long as he's playing at the end of the year in the 3-4 in the middle of the season. And it also depends on the position, right? I mean, like.


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[Assistant] There's no guarantee in anything, right? But yes, if you have too many guys that are consistently missing chunks of time, that's a problem. The better the guy is, the more of that you're willing to put up with. But if you have a team full of guys that are consistently missing time, that's not great.


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[Assistant] No, but Stafford played almost every game. He played like 14, 15 games last year. There was one other team that had a quarterback that missed like half the season.


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[Assistant] Mike Tomlin, he's not gonna have a pass first offense. No. He's just never gonna have that. No. And they're gonna be a running team, so I actually think that even though Kirk Cousins is the best of that bunch,


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[Assistant] I actually think Fields and, and even Russell Wilson maybe kind of fit that team better. I just think. I don't know what, what like, I still don't, if I was grading Justin Fields, I'd still put him as a yellow. I still don't know what he is. Yeah. I don't know. I don't think he's had particularly good coaching.


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[Assistant] Until this year, he had better talent around him this year. He really hadn't had good talent around him until this year. I still don't know if he's good. I don't, like, if you're ranking Justin Fields, where do you rank him?


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[Assistant] Any of those three quarterbacks make the Steelers anywhere from decent to way better. I mean, their quarterback situation was atrocious last year.


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[Assistant] Maybe that's why I said that. That's right, that's right. That sparked something in your head. So yea, they were the other team.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna say, I think their best chance is Russell Wilson.


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[Assistant] Because I think ultimately, I think her cousin is gonna go back to Minnesota when it's all clear. Yeah, I do, yeah, yeah, I think they do.


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[Assistant] They got good, they got good talent. Nice young pieces. Uhm, yeaah, but yeaah, well that Russell Wilson, uhm.


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[Assistant] If, and by the way, if you had to, if you, let me ask you this one. If you had to, if the Steelers could get Russ Fields' cousins,


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[Assistant] And you, G. Bush and you, Mike and you, Earl, you are the one who picks which of those three they get. So obviously you take the guy you think is going to be the worst. Who would you pick? Earl, start with you.


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[Assistant] I'm out on fields, so I'd give them fields. You see, I'm not sold on fields, but I'd give them Russ. Because I think Russ...


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[Assistant] I, Russ is certain, listen, Cousins is the best, I don't think any of us are gonna give him Cousins, even though he's the oldest. Or him and Russ are pretty close.


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[Assistant] But I can see, like, Russ, even though his numbers were fine, he's not the player he was. And he could completely go off the cliff this year. Where I think Fields, with a smart coach, now, Steelers have a smart head coach, I don't know if they got a smart offensive guy.


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[Assistant] I got a great trade for you. Go right now to the Falcons and go get Desmond Ritter. I think that's your answer. And have a three-way competition between Pickett, Ritter, and Mason Rudolph. You'll be all fine.


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[Assistant] I think Earl's on to something here. We would give up PJ Walker, guys. Can I, hopefully I can speak for the rest of you for a second round pick. No problem.


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[Assistant] He's the only, who else would you pick? Now these articles are not saying he's going to be a cap casualty. They're saying he's the most likely guy to be a cap casualty. And I just don't know who else there is because all the other guys who are making good money that you would prefer to cut.


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[Assistant] Right. Nobody else, you know, you're not, there's nobody else, everybody else is either a guy you have to keep.


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[Assistant] And the only other guy you could say is getting outrageously paid is really Conklin and Wills and you can't cut those guys. So there's no, there's no, so.


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[Assistant] The Browns even before Nick Chubb's injury.


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[Assistant] I get why people are outraged, because it's Nick Chubb. I get it. I just was surprised that people thought this was new information. It's not, but people, you don't understand, right? Like so,


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[Assistant] Teams mostly, front office guys, guys like Andrew Berry.


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[Assistant] Don't get emotionally involved or- No. Try not to. With players. Try not to. The fans are emotionally involved.


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[Assistant] Nick Chubb, if you did a poll of every Browns fan, not just the people watching our show, but every Browns fan, who is your favorite player on the Browns? Nick Chubb would win by, in a landslide, I think, over, over Miles Garrett, anybody. He's one of the most beloved players.


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[Assistant] Yes. Certainly any non-quarterback. Yeah. Without a doubt. So it's hard to shut off that emotion. And when you see an article that says


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[Assistant] I think every article about Nick Chubb potentially being cut always has the caveat. I think he'll be back with the Browns, but here's what they gotta do.


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[Assistant] It's the way he ended, it's the type of guy he is, like, there's never been a bad word about this player. Ever. Ever.


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[Assistant] If there was a bad word or something bad about Nick Chubb, it would be the most stunning story in the history of Cleveland. I would be blown away. I couldn't even like fathom anything negative being said. By the way, I don't know if anybody saw this, but it was another cool thing with Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] Was doing some sort of, he was at like a high school, or maybe junior middle school, I don't remember. But he was like,


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[Assistant] This was a couple of weeks ago, he was working with some football players, some kids, right? It was like,


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[Assistant] And it was really cool. And in the middle of it, he FaceTimed Nick Chubb. Right. To say hi to the kids. Did you see that? That was really cool. And the kids got, you know, Nick Chubb got a kick out of it, and he got a kick out of it, and the kids...


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[Assistant] He's just, he's everything you want in a player, and he's everything you want in a representative of your team. He plays his ass off, there's no showboating, there's nothing, literally nothing not to like about Nick Chubb, and that's why there's so much emotion involved in this.


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[Assistant] Right, and it shouldn't be, and I think the perfect solution is to extend him.


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[Assistant] Keep the guaranteed money lower and a ton of incentives that he can make good money.


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[Assistant] That would be a great PR move and probably a great football.


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[Assistant] Entirely possible. I think the only way Nick Chubb is not back.


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[Assistant] And I don't think this, I'll be surprised if this is the case, but is that if he just refuses to negotiate? Or I'd be very surprised.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think they'll be, I don't know. I think, I think the smart money is that they'll find it comfortable in between to keep him and make him a lifetime Brown. So that's all we hope because nobody wants to see him in another uniform. What's the percentage chance?


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[Assistant] I think the only question mark is this year. If they extend him now and they come to an agreement,


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[Assistant] Just as a background, there is, the NFL is the only sport of the big four.


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[Assistant] That does not have a number retired across the league. Obviously, baseball has Jackie Robinson, 42. Hockey has Wayne Gretzky, 99. And the, and basketball has Bill Russell, which just recently happened. I think it was last, was it this year? No, last year. Or last year? This year or last year? Number 6. The NFL does not have that number.


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[Assistant] By the way, speaking of former presidents, uh, no, I'm not talking about Trump.


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[Assistant] Uh, believe it or not, uh, there's a clip from a few years ago of Chris Mad Dog Russo, who now is on my nerves most of the time, and Chris Christie, who I'm not a giant fan of, but at least he's keeping it real now, of the two of them debating the top ten presidents of all time,


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[Assistant] It's really funny. Number two on presidents, my, one of my all time favorite presidents who get no recognition is John Adams, the second president of the United States, and he did not have any slaves. He did not believe in slavery, he was anti-slavery, and in fact,


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[Assistant] John Adams wanted language in the Constitution.


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[Assistant] To abolish slavery, and because there were so many southerners,


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[Assistant] They, they weren't going to be able to get the constitution passed if it was in there, but he was really wanted to go. I know that. But anyway.


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[Assistant] Just some information on John Adams. By the way, did you know that John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, the third president of the U.S., both died the exact same day?


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[Assistant] Now, to circle back now to Jim Brown, Jim Brown is a complicated


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[Assistant] There's a lot of good with Jim Brown, and there's some bad with Jim Brown. Now he was, the facts are he was never convicted of a serious crime. He was never convicted of a felony. That's a fact.


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[Assistant] With, you know, while being with women, that like, did it happen? It's not like all these things you got arrested, you know, months later or whatever. It was in the... So, I, it's too many years ago for me to know what really happened then. You know, we weren't doing sports talk when Jim Brown was getting arrested.


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[Assistant] So I don't know, so that is a part of the picture, and that makes me hesitant a little bit.


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[Assistant] My first reaction though actually was no.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I didn't, I didn't either. But I looked it up once I saw that text from Earl.


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[Assistant] And to me Jackie Robinson is in a group, not a group, he's in a, he's by himself. He's the Patrick Rahomes of QB Tears. One of one. Right, he's one of one because


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[Assistant] The color barrier was broken in baseball before it was broken in football and basketball and hockey.


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[Assistant] And while Larry Doby broke the color barrier in the American League and should get more recognition,


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[Assistant] It was, he still had the lead in from Jackie Robinson. What all the players...


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[Assistant] In the 50s, uh, in the 40s and eventually the 50s, what all the black players had to go through in those days was awful. But!


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[Assistant] It was all, for all of the, I shouldn't say this, I don't know this definitively, but the fact that Jackie Robinson went through it first.


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[Assistant] He was the first. The first is always the hardest. And so in my mind, Jackie's numbers retired. That should be the only number retired in sports.


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[Assistant] Wayne Gretzky was, his number was retired because he's the greatest hockey player of all time. Bill Russell's number was retired partly because he was one of the greatest basketball players of all time and also because he was a major civil rights advocate and while he was not, obviously not the first black player in basketball, he was the first super famous


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[Assistant] And what he was as both a human being and a person was, uh, and as a player was fantastic.


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[Assistant] of football. He wasn't the first black player in the NFL, but he's the most famous first black player in the NFL and the one of the first black players.


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[Assistant] So in the end, I would say yes, not that he's without flaws. Listen, Martin Luther King is considered the greatest civil rights leader in the history of the world, or certainly the history of America. I don't, you know, know the world as well.


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[Assistant] He wasn't without flaws. There's a lot of great people in this history of this country that did some not great things.


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[Assistant] Sometimes, I don't even want to say overlook. Sometimes you gotta say, hey, I'm gonna honor this guy and love everything about him, but I'm gonna honor this guy. So in the end, I'm a yes on Jim, on retiring 32 for Jim Brown. Uh, go ahead, Earl.


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[Assistant] Of course. 100% true. I mean, listen, I'm not the authority, of course, on the black experience of the 1940s and 1950s. I'm not the authority on the black experience of 2024, but it's obvious that in those times


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[Assistant] Black Americans, especially those who are vocal for civil rights, were railroaded. Now does that mean Jim Brown is completely innocent? No. I have no idea. It's so long ago, I don't think any of us know, which is why I ultimately, and in the end,


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[Assistant] With a racist, clearly at that time, a racist court system.


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[Assistant] Jim Brown still was never convicted of a serious crime, of a violent crime. So, I'm gonna go with that and say, I don't know what happened, so I'm retiring the number.


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[Assistant] But I'll say this one more thing on this. If you don't look to anybody famous as a role model, that's fine, Earl. And that's cool. If your dad's your only role model, I got no beef with that. But I don't think it's fair to say nobody should look at famous people as a role model because a lot of people do and a lot of kids look up


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[Assistant] to athletes. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I, I think if you ex, if you as an adult expect an athlete


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[Assistant] To live to a higher standard than yourself, that's unfair. But I don't think there's anything wrong with, like when I was a kid,


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[Assistant] I looked up to guys in the radio business as sports radio was just starting when I was like a teenager.


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[Assistant] Because I wanted to do what they did. My dad didn't do that.


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[Assistant] And so I looked up to them, so they were a role model. I didn't have higher standards for them as a human being. So I think you could separate that, you know, like-


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[Assistant] By the way, that was, that Steph Curry was the best part of All-Star Weekend. And I think Kenny Smith is totally wrong saying she should have shot from the women's line. I love that she shot from the men's line. And by the way, she lost by one shot!


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[Assistant] Yeah, he was... And he says she was... I don't think he had bad intent. I think people are accusing him of being, like, sexist. I don't think he was being sexist. I just think he's wrong.


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[Assistant] The blue check mark is now meaningless. It sucks. Not because I need to feel like I'm better than somebody else, but because you knew somebody had a level, at least some level of credibility.


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[Assistant] As a legitimate source. And now it's just random, which I hate. But enough about that. So he asked that question, obviously it was something that took off, it was a good question.


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[Assistant] So, Earl asked us to pick our guys. Who did Tyvis say again? He said Ricky Davis, which is absurd. That's Ricky Davis. That's Tyvis. That's not even the best answer from that team, Earl. Tyvis is just crazy. That's not even the best answer from that team. Alright, uh, Gee, well who you got? Who's your guy?


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[Assistant] Well, he was even better, but like. He wasn't great every year in his first date in Cleveland. He was good.


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[Assistant] Right, but he wasn't the starting quarterback. Yeah, but it was, it hurt though, like, like. So who's your answer, Bull? My guy is a little before Manny. It was what G. Bush was getting to. It's Albert Bell. So those 90s Indians teams were fantastic, but


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[Assistant] For most of those 90 teams, 90 teams into early 2000, you had a lot, like man, Albert left early in that run. 96. He left after the 96 season, he signed as a free agent with the White Sox, and he, he retired, not too, he was still great. Till the time he retired, he just ended up messed up back, whatever it was.


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[Assistant] If Albert, so Albert Bell left, and then they traded Kenny Lofton, remember, for David Justice, it was good, and then Kenny came back.


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[Assistant] A little bit later. They had Marquise Grissom for that one year. Grissom they traded because they got Kenny back. And didn't they get Matt Williams? Eventually Matt Williams. But then eventually Tommy left. Eventually Ramirez left. Eventually everybody left. Bayerga, all those guys. But it all started


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[Assistant] Albert Bell, at the end of that season, 96th season.


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[Assistant] Maybe some of those other guys don't go. We'll never know. It's still hard to believe that team didn't end their offense, even though Justice had a good year.


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[Assistant] Their offense went downhill that next year. And they could have won a World Series that next year. They came close a bunch of times obviously after that. But I think Albert Bell got the ball rolling in the wrong direction of stud hitters leaving the team.


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[Assistant] You have Bayerga, you have Sandy Alomar, he's not quite at that level. You had Kenny Lofton. I mean, if I had to choose, I think I'd say Manny. Thank you, so I'm right in this question, thank you.


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[Assistant] Now Lofton, if you're saying like just the best hitter, it's probably Lofton. You think so? Just pure hitter.


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[Assistant] Okay, remember when, and I thought these were good moves at the time and I was wrong.


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[Assistant] The one off season where the Indians signed Michael Bourne and Nick Swisher. We were going crazy because we loved both signings. Now both of those guys turned out to be crap. They were both done.


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[Assistant] He was on the show with us. I remember we were doing the show at the Clevelander bar.


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[Assistant] And we had Kenny on, and I, I compared Michael Bourne to Kenny. Now.


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[Assistant] Which clearly Michael Bourne, you know, who had some nice years, was not. He was in that Ilka player, he wasn't a powerhead, he was a speed average field guy. So he got mad because he, I don't know.


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[Assistant] And I think a relief pitch, I can't remember who it was, for Grissom and Justice. Yes, yes. And then, that was 90, before the 97 season. And then,


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then the following offseason, Kenny Lofton came back as a free agent. I think he's on a four year deal. And then they traded Grissom because they had Lofton back to, I think Milwaukee in 97.


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[Assistant] And then, I can't remember if Justice, was Justice here in 98 now? Was he gone after one year? I think he was gone after one year. I think they traded him to the Yankees maybe. You're right. I think it was. Not only, not only would you talk about it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we didn't even talk about Roberto Alomar. Like, like, some of the- Right, like the Skeller's the worst hitter of the bunch. Yes. And he was a, you know, solid hitter. A singles hitter, you know. And you know, I look at- I mean that, that was the greatest lineup I think I've ever seen when it was at its best. Especially in that, you know, 95. In that era, yeah. 96.


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[Assistant] And by the way, we don't talk about this with baseball as much, cause like, with basketball and football, it's all about the championship, right? The Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] But Kenny Lofton, if you look at his career, wherever he went, teams won.


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[Assistant] Was it coincidence or did Kenny Lofton have something to do with it? He went to the Cubs one year they won. He went to the Pirates one year they were good. Like everywhere he went the team was good.


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[Assistant] I would argue Griffey is the only non-basketball player that is on the all-time swag list.


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[Assistant] He had the prettiest things in sports. He did. Well, lefties just in general.


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[Assistant] His was great. Darrell Strawberry had a great swing. Yeaah, I like that. Uh, in terms of righties, I think my favorite swing of all time is Frank Thomas.


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[Assistant] Remember, do you remember Brett Butler? He used to hold the bat in like the middle of the bat. He would be bunting, he'd chop hits. I don't remember him. Back in those days, guys actually bunting for hits. Now you don't really see that that much, but.


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[Assistant] We should do the Mount Rush more of the prettiest sports things in the world. Yeah. In the history of sports. But Griffey, I mean everybody loved Ken Griffey Jr. And what's, and then he got traded to Cincinnati and his, he was great his first year and then he just couldn't stay off the end of the last year. It was crazy.


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[Assistant] Well, and even before that, the 70s Pirates into the early 80s with Dave Parker and William Starjolt. But anyway, we're, we're getting off track here.


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[Assistant] I don't think this affected winning, but I gave you probably the best Browns player of the last 20 years. Joe Hayden.


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[Assistant] Think about my life's trajectory working in Cleveland. Because if Art Modell hadn't done the dumbest thing ever.


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[Assistant] And fire, well, two of the dumbest things ever. Take the Browns out of Cleveland.


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[Assistant] And fire Paul Brown. Had he not fired Paul Brown, and had Paul Brown been a Brown his entire career.


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[Assistant] The only reason I'm a Bengals fan is because Paul Brown went to the Bengals. My dad was a Browns fan when he was a kid because he loved Paul Brown and he loved Jim Brown, but he, he was so obsessed with Paul Brown that when he started the bank, that he shunned the Browns and went to the Bengals when they, when he started the Bengals. Paul Brown has


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[Assistant] Yeaah, the only thing I'll say, obviously everybody hates Art Modell, and he deserves that hate for Paul Brown and for most, Lee Lee taking the team. He does deserve some love. I can't believe I'm saying this.


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[Assistant] Because he was putting black players on the Browns.


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[Assistant] Before most teams were, and not just one guy. And made Ozzy Newsome the greatest GM, arguably ever. He deserves credit in that, in that area. Separate the artist in this case, yea.


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[Assistant] Just like we separate other guys and say, hey, this is a lot of good guys who did some bad things. He was a bad guy who did do some good things.


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[Assistant] But he was also a terrible businessman. Yes. But if he had not taken the team out of Cleveland, he would have been thought of as a great.


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[Assistant] Even with the Paul Brown thing, had he just sold the team at that point to somebody else in Cleveland, people wouldn't think of him in a bad way. But he did it to


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[Assistant] If I was still 25, I would foul your ass and you wouldn't get off a shot.


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[Assistant] And let me tell you something. In Brooklyn schoolyard. Yes. No blood, no foul. Yea, I don't call fouls. That's it. Only the wussies call fouls.


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[Assistant] No, no, uh, well, it's a smaller court though. Even when I was in better shape, I always preferred playing three on three half court. I always thought that was more fun.


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[Assistant] But I don't know if there's anything else famous about it. There was like a, a shop, it was like the first shopping mall in Brooklyn was in Marine Park. But we would go there and there'd be like three courts.


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[Assistant] There'd be the court where most of the black guys played, which was the good court.


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[Assistant] And then I say three-court, but there was really more than that. The rest of the courts were all for the slappies like me to play half-court three-on-three games. Yeah, randomly just playing horse and kickball. But there was a time, there was a time, so I had this short stretch of time


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[Assistant] From like 22 to 24, where I had a mustache. Crap load of weight. I weighed like 190 pounds.


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[Assistant] And I was in like pretty good shape, like I could run, I was, cause I was a, you know, an adequate athlete as a kid, a decent athlete as a kid.


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[Assistant] He's crafty, crafty. But there was always on that court, there was this one white dude that played.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I didn't play. I played baseball in high school, but not basketball. But you got to play pick up in New York. I played pick up in New York. And I got to see Chris Mullin come down to Marine Park once and play, which was cool. Everybody just stopped and watched him play on the good court. It was awesome.


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[Assistant] Chris Mullin is one of the most underrated players I think of all time. Yea. He, I mean he was on the dream team. Like you had to be the best of the best to be on that team. Everybody on the dream team was Hall of Famer except for, uh, Christian Leitner. Christian Leitner, right.


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[Assistant] Cavs, X Factor, remember they get back in action, what's today, Wednesday? Tomorrow. Yep. Against Orlando, yeaah.


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[Assistant] See, that's an easy one for me. I'm not a Space Jam guy and I love the other two movies.


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[Assistant] So that's an easy, space jam is out for me.


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[Assistant] You know what the third movie I would put in there to make it tougher for me with Coach Carter and Remember the Titans is Glory, uh, Glory Road. Anybody see Glory Road?


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[Assistant] It is Utah. Yes. Yes. You, Earl, you gotta watch that. I'm probably, I'm gonna check that out.


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[Assistant] So that, now in the end I'd probably cut that because I think it's the worst of the three.


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[Assistant] But, uh, that's a great movie. You know what's another one in that ilk, too, is We Are Marshall. Has everybody seen We Are Marshall? I actually haven't seen it though. Oh my god, you gotta see that. My big, my- Also based on- Did you like Hoosiers? What did you think of Hoosiers?


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[Assistant] Uhm, now what are you taking between Coach Carter and, and, remember the Titans if you had to choose? Oh, remember the Titans. Me too. It has to be. Me too.


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[Assistant] Well, Denzel's my all-time favorite actor, although I love Samuel L. Jackson, too, and he's great in that role. My worst fear is paralysis.


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[Assistant] The thing about the TV show is a typical network show. It's like, oh, one week, the Booby Miles character is hooked on cocaine. The next week, he's totally fine. And I don't like, I don't like to kill the guy in that show for no reason. And every, you know what? I know people, this is, most guys are going to disagree with me here, but, but hopefully I can talk at least one of you into it.


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[Assistant] The thing that pisses me off about the Friday Nights TV show is that every girl in the school was a 10. Yea, that's true. What is that nonsense? Not every girl is hot in the school.


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[Assistant] Friday Night Lights or any given Sunday movie? Oh, Friday Night Lights, any day. For me.


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[Assistant] Adam the Bull. Garrett Bush. Tyvis Powell. Jason Lloyd.


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[Assistant] Plus, ba-da-da-da-da, you're loving him. Mikey McNuggets.


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[Assistant] I would, I would quote, you know, uh, Jackie Mack, the, uh, the great, the great sports journalist in Boston. And, you know, she sort of described it as an underwhelming stint as a head coach. And so.


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[Assistant] I think the reason that we really dive into that story in the series, especially in episode one, is because, you know, in Cleveland, in New England at the time,


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[Assistant] What you had was a quarterback who was the hundred million dollar quarterback.


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[Assistant] Uh, the big star basically on a team that was not doing that well in Drew Bledsoe who had gone down with a horrific injury against the Jets earlier in the 2001 season.


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[Assistant] With Kossar in, uhm, in Cleveland and what to do there because as I recall from the stories that we were told in the, in the series,


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[Assistant] And that led to this press conference where Bill says something to the effect of


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[Assistant] And, you know, a few years later eventually leads, you know, to art moving and the reaction to that. So,


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[Assistant] Uhm, that's the reason we focused on it, and uhm, it was a really interesting story to tell, uh, relative to the decision that Bill had to make with True Blood, So and Tom Brady.


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[Assistant] I have no doubt that that's, that Bill probably looks at it that way.


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[Assistant] Also Scott Pioli, uh, who was there, who ended up becoming the vice president of player personnel.


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[Assistant] And, uh, with the New England Patriots and both of these guys have never really gone on the record about Cleveland or about their time with the New England Patriots and to have access to them, Ernie Adams in particular, we had 15 hours of interviews with him and


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[Assistant] I think both of them, along with Bill's interview in our series, really gave us great insight to the way that the coaching staff looked at all of these things and they took us into the rooms when they were making these tough choices. And those choices sometimes led to great success, like the choice to go with Tom Brady early on.


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[Assistant] I think, you know, he was a little bit more closed off. His press conferences became more of the we're on to Cincinnati, you know, kind of one word, two word sentences kind of thing.


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[Assistant] When Bill says the stuff at that press conference about COSR and, and uhm,


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[Assistant] It, it, it sometimes has negative repercussions. So why get up there and continue to say these things that, you know, that are going to burn you in the end. So I think there's a lot of lessons from Cleveland.


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[Assistant] Yeah, work ethic, work ethic. I mean, it's a, it's a, it's a simple language. And, you know, every other team in the league.


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[Assistant] You know, and fanbase in the league looked at the Patriots with envy and I know personally a little bit of jealousy, uh, on my part for what they were able to accomplish. But in the end, what I've realized is that


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[Assistant] But he's off to a much better start than Tom was. Yeah, great. Through six, their first six seasons as starter, uhm, Mahomes has Brady beating everything, but Brady had three Super Bowls in his first six years. He did. This would be three for Mahomes if he could get it. That's right.


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[Assistant] I mean, the grade, I'm okay with the higher. The more I looked into it, the more I'm okay with it. I'll say it's a B.


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[Assistant] Okay, I, I, I was one of the people that said that. I was one of the people without doing, like I just said, hey, the bills were better. But here's the thing, if you look at it, the difference


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[Assistant] In the games of Dorthe, Dorsey and you look at some of the stats, they were actually better with.


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[Assistant] Ken Dorsey. The biggest difference, of course, is they won more in those last few games and they scored more points. Even though they got actually more points per drive. The difference was Josh Allen stopped turning the ball over. And I think what happened was in the end, Ken Dorsey took the hit for Josh Allen.


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[Assistant] From like week five to week ten, whatever it was. You know, there was a stretch of games, six weeks, where he was turning the ball, he's always been a big turnover guy, but he makes up with it with a ton of touchdowns.


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[Assistant] But he was particularly struggling in this stretch, and Kent Dorsey took the brunt of the blame for it. I think if you look overall,


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[Assistant] With Cam Newton and Josh Allen. What do those guys have in common with Deshaun Watson? All three are excellent athletes and use their legs. Now, Deshaun Watson's not built like Cam Newton and Josh Allen, but he has the same type of game as those guys. He likes to run. He likes to run. That's a big part of it. It's a big part of Josh Allen's game. It was a big part of Cam Newton's game.


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[Assistant] They were really good. And even with some of the struggles, it wasn't like they were terrible offensively.


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[Assistant] But they also, I thought, in my opinion, ran too much against the Chief, so who knows. I think it's a, it's a perfectly fine hire. We'll get into, obviously into the, the play calling of it. But, I'm perfectly fine with it, okay. BB minus.


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[Assistant] Jay, I- I agree with most of what you said. There's just one thing I take issue with. Okay. I don't believe...


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[Assistant] He has more of an impact on the team on that player, obviously. Not just more, substantially. But I, I don't know if it's substantially more, because I, I think...


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[Assistant] The whole, we just see the game, right? Sure. But leading up to that game is an entire week, an entire year of preparation. It is. And I would assume, I don't know, I'm not in the locker room, that the offensive coordinator, even if he's not a play caller, is very much involved with that.


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[Assistant] And I don't even, like a buddy of mine said to me, why don't you switch to this new site? It's much better. I'm like, well I've always been using this website.


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[Assistant] Right, and that's the same thing, so if you're older, like we all are on this panel, different variations, but none of us are young, so we may think- Speak for yourself! We may think-


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[Assistant] But, I believe the, in the Super Bowl, now three years in a row, both head coaches have called plays.


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[Assistant] It's so hard to answer that question because we have information that you don't know for sure, but it feels like... Who'd you guess? Because I agree.


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[Assistant] And if that's the case, I'm not happy. Doesn't mean it won't work. Sure. But I won't be happy initially going into it.


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[Assistant] People got mad. I'd like to see it compared to other teams. Now, people got mad. Let me say this. I don't have that. Let me say this. The Browns franchise before Kevin Stefanski was


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[Assistant] A shit show. Yeaah, so I- And that's a- That- Obviously- You're being nice. I just insulted shit shows. You did. By saying that the Browns- Yea, you're being nice. Franchise was a shit show. When you're on 16 on 1-8-15. They went 37 and 30, while not a great record.


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[Assistant] Is pretty good considering where the franchise was. Right. The fact that for the most part in those four years, especially in the last three, but even, even, even over, I know where you're going. He's got mostly bad quarterback play. Now,


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[Assistant] With a quarterback, in my opinion, after four years of Baker Mayfield, to me, it was obvious he was not a Super Bowl level quarterback.


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[Assistant] And where does the Browns points in the first quarter rank?


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[Assistant] I heard an interesting, what I, this morning I woke up at 4.30 in the morning.


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[Assistant] And I decided to do, uh, uh, you know, learn more about Ken Dorsey. I was going through some stuff. I also did a deep dive into the border crisis and wanted to know the truth. You hear all the nonsense on TV and I was like, what is the truth? You'll get lost there. I was fascinating the truth, but I won't get into that.


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[Assistant] But when I, I watched an interesting breakdown, uh, Kurt Warner did this video breakdown of why he thought Josh Allen was struggling at the end with Ken Dorsey.


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[Assistant] And why he doesn't, he, he thought Ken Dorsey was a scapegoat in the whole situation. And he said, he, one of the, I never really thought about this because I didn't play quarterback and I didn't play in the NFL.


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[Assistant] But one of the things he brought up is that guys that play from the shotgun a lot, which apparently now we're going to do with Deshaun Watson because that's what he wants, even though it's not what Kevin Svansky wants to do, he said sometimes when you're in the shotgun a lot, you get set too early.


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[Assistant] Because, and that's not good, right? Like, you want to be, you want, as a quarterback, you want your feet to kind of be moving until you set and then go. The problem with sometimes with, with, uh,


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[Assistant] If you're on the setter, hey, you gotta take three steps back, five steps back. So by the time you get set,


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[Assistant] You're ready to throw the ball. As opposed to when you're in shotguns, sometimes quarterbacks get sent too early, they get antsy and they throw the ball too early. And he thought that was a problem, that was a little rut, and why Josh Allen got into a slump.


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[Assistant] Because he was getting set a little too quickly and he was getting anxious and throwing the ball a little too early. Which was fascinating. I hadn't really thought about it. But anyway, and that's just, and that's something that the Browns will certainly have to look out for with Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] Right, but even if it's five a game and they run a total of 25 times a game, which I bet the Bills don't, that would still be 20% of their rugs being Josh Allen.


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[Assistant] No, but the bottom line is, if you have, if you have a great quarterback, then the percentage of throws, like, yeaah, if you go 60-40 and you have a lousy quarterback, you're not going to be any good, but if you have a great quarterback and you're 60-40, you can, you can run. Especially when you're running like Josh Allen, that's a spot.


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[Assistant] By the way, I'm now picturing G. Bush on the sideline like doing analogies to the coaches about why they screwed up.


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[Assistant] Oh, athleticism, there was a D lineman on, on, uh,


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[Assistant] Listen, this guy played in the league for 10 years, played I think 7 playoff games.


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[Assistant] Like we said with the running back coach, you never know. There could be a little nugget that he has from his experience that could help even Myles Garrett. Nothing's impossible, so who knows.


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[Assistant] Which was cool. Even though he was not, like, he didn't kill, somebody said, how are you okay with that? He was crushing you. He wasn't crushing me. I thought it was cool that he, like, didn't you, I was waiting from the, when I first heard it, I was like, oh, he's gonna make fun of the nickname. Or I'm gonna hear a fat joke or something. But no, it was none of that. But go ahead, Mike.


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[Assistant] He's been said some nasty things about her on Twitter, completely out of line. Yeaah, it's ridiculous. But anyway.


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[Assistant] I, so I did a long response just to, because he set the record straight, I wanted to set the record straight too, because I thought it should be accurate, and so I was just recapping that whole point, and G was the...


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[Assistant] Or that, and if you look at the video, I mean, if we have the video, I was just kind of, you asked me what I thought, I was just like, I don't know, it seems like every team. And what I said specifically was, it sounded,


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[Assistant] Like he was complaining about that all the coaches did it, not specifically about Stefanski. I never said he was complaining to the coaches and not running the plays. And I think he cleaned it up. And by the way, he did, when you say, I don't like doing that, isn't that complaining about it? No, I don't think it is. No?


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[Assistant] Of course. It is our job. And I'm not gonna, listen, you may never have personal malice. Sometimes there is personal malice from members of the media. I'm not gonna say I've never had personal malice. We do our best to keep it out. I shouldn't. It's not common.


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[Assistant] When I say I hate this guy, I don't really have personal malice with somebody, but I just, this is how I talk. But I'm not gonna lie, I've never had personal malice.


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[Assistant] But I'll be honest, but I have zero personal malice against Deshaun Watson. I don't care if you don't believe that, it's up to you. But I thought the whole thing was funny. There's certainly no bad blood. I'm not mad at all. But I was mischaracterized in that.


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[Assistant] I would love to have a conversation with Deshaun Watson, and I'd love to ask him the question, is he disappointed by what he's done in the field for the last two years?


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[Assistant] I'm going, I was gonna go A, but you screwed up at the end, so I gotta go A minus.


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[Assistant] How many idiots there were out there saying he shouldn't have been called for taunting?


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[Assistant] By the way, can I tell you that I think you guys will appreciate this as lifelong Northeast Ohioans. Uhm, this weekend,


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[Assistant] When, when they first started showing Taylor Swift on TV, I remember saying like, I'm not a big fan of Taylor Swift. And I was being, I was kind of like a D about it. And as the weeks have gone by, and I've seen the vitriol and hatred for Taylor Swift, I'm like, what is wrong with people? She's not doing anything, it's the camera thing.


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[Assistant] Why do people hate her? I mean, everybody loves her and I've totally come around on Taylor Swift. She's not my cup of tea musically, but I get she's an amazing entertainer and I got nothing but love her. And I was thinking about my interview with Joe Flacco last week and Joe, we were talking, um, about being from the Northeast because obviously he's from New Jersey.


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[Assistant] And he was talking about how his town, cause he grew up in a smaller town in New Jersey, but he was like, yeah, my town's a lot like...


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[Assistant] And it made me think, like, okay, yeaah, I'm very in your face, and it's very different, especially when I first moved here, being on the air, I was very aggressive, and I'm still that way, and some people don't like that, but I think I've become, in some ways, more


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[Assistant] What I didn't understand, listen, in the end, push comes to shove, even me who's crazy going for it guy, and I love Dan Campbell, I thought he was a total idiot meathead when they first hired him, and he is a meathead, but he's also a daring meathead, and I kinda like that combo, because I think I'm a smart, daring meathead, and I think he is too.


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[Assistant] The second one I probably would have kicked the field. It's 27-24. Your team has been spiraling.


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[Assistant] In fairness, in fairness, that's career on Badgley and not career, you know, not Dan Campbell's career.


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[Assistant] I don't believe they lost the game because of Campbell. I know it's going to be a minority opinion. I think they lost the game because they choked as a team. I don't think, I don't buy that they could, I don't buy that the momentum of the game was fully turned because of that not going forward. I think the fumble was what killed them.


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[Assistant] Because if he not fumbled, they were still up at touchdown, but who knows what would have happened. That fumble gave him a touchdown, but let me finish, let me finish.


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[Assistant] Mike, I gotta interrupt you because you just said much anticipated. Chris Fedor said the same thing in his column yesterday, much anticipated.


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[Assistant] I'm getting right to it. My question is, is it much anticipated? But are the fans? Because I feel like fans are being very short sighted and I feel like a lot of fans are not excited about Evan Mobley coming back.


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[Assistant] Even though they've been playing well, they can't reach it without


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[Assistant] Are they gonna, like, I'll be curious to see, do they try to play Allen and Mobley together best? And when Mobley's out on the floor without Allen, can he do some of the things that Allen was doing? Those are the fascinating questions to me.


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[Assistant] JB's gotta find the middle ground. You can't just have...


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[Assistant] Sure. I just, I just think ultimately for the Cavs to reach their highest possible success, whatever that is, they've got to find a way for the four of them to play together.


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[Assistant] That didn't work last year. You know what the Cavs regular season record was? Cavs regular season record against Boston and Milwaukee last year? I bet it was about 500, maybe a little below. They were 5 and 3.