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[Assistant] That he's a certified bucket getter. You need dudes who can go get a bucket. Damn the defense. Damn all the other special numbers or whatever. This dude go get points. And you need somebody that can go get a bucket. Sam Merrill better not have another damn DNP for the remainder of this season.


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[Assistant] Jay, I said it. To me, again, Darius Garland is talented, but to me he's very inconsistent.


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[Assistant] I've seen the good and the bad. I've seen Darius Garland hit two clutch ass threes. I did too. Around the 8 minute, 8, 45 minute marking in the fourth quarter that we really, really needed. But I also see him have three straight horrible possessions in the last three and a half minutes of the game.


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[Assistant] And those possessions cost us, I mean, they ultimately ended up costing us the game. Now, there was a lot of other things that led to the Cavaliers not winning the game.


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[Assistant] This is not my words, but somebody close to me texts me this, and he said this.


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[Assistant] I sit up every day and I hear Deshaun Watson's name get smeared because he makes 230 million dollars. Meanwhile, more often than not, Darius Garland is the highest paid player on the court and he plays like straight ass.


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[Assistant] You funny. You funny. I heard you had the Rainey's guy stuff. You were going to go to Hopkins and pick up Mike Evans. I did. I did. I had the car ready.


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[Assistant] Bruce Arians, from what I understand, is still with the organization. He's just upstairs. So when you look at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers culture of what it is, you look at the roster that's around them, and he had a good season with Baker Mayfield. I'm pretty sure Baker Mayfield will be back as the quarterback.


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[Assistant] There was not much reason for him to uproot himself from his situation at all.


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[Assistant] My father used to always tell me man, like, ain't nothing broke unless you broke.


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[Assistant] That's a two-way street. When I look at this wide receiver market now, I think we had a vision of how it would look like by the time we get to free agency, but I'm starting to come to this realization that by the time we get to free agency, all the guys we talked about, I mean, Higgins is already off the board, Evans is off the board, uh, Michael Pittman Jr., he'll be off the board.


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[Assistant] It's gonna be like a mid level market and if I'm the bronze, I'm not overpaying for mid just to satisfy my fan base. I think the best course of action to go get a stud if you can, which you probably won't be able to,


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[Assistant] It's to try to see if you can trade for one. But the reality of the situation is Andrew Berry is just going to have to hit.


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[Assistant] On one of these draft picks at wide receiver. And I got a guy, I got a guy, I saw.


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[Assistant] I saw, I saw him, I saw him on, I was watching this tape after I seen him on social media yesterday, right?


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[Assistant] It's a dude that's coming out of USC this year, that's the son of a Hall of Famer by the way, that I pray to God the Browns can get their hands on. Fourth round.


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[Assistant] All I'm saying is when it comes to the bronze, I'm looking at the free agency market and I think that the market is not going to be what we think it's going to be. It's going to be hard to trade for a stud wide receiver. You just going to have to keep shooting, keep shooting the shot, man. I hope one goes out.


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[Assistant] Don't let him take a roster spot. To me, to me, I think G New is, is, I think he's, he can ball, but I think he is a perfect piece because Cam Mitchell is a natural slot corner. I agree. I think that when it comes down to it and Andrew Berry makes a decision.


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[Assistant] To being traded if it means he's gonna get the bag elsewhere, right? Like I did an exercise two weeks ago and I was just reading of all the different teams who could use a corner. Philadelphia for example. Like their number one corner is aging.


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[Assistant] All three of their top corners were probably the worst group of corners combined.


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[Assistant] So what I've seen is like, I'm a very emotional dude and I'm triggered easily. And the last thing I need is for my emotions to be played with.


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[Assistant] And so when I seen Christian Wilkins and the Cleveland Browns in the same sentence, like, I was like, man, stop playing with me, man. Like stop playing with me like that, listen.


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[Assistant] I understand that he might make projected to 20, somewhere around 23, 24 million a year if he hits the open market. And that's a pretty penny. But this is a dude who is coming off his rookie deal, first round pick out of Clemson, drafted in 2019, has been nothing short of dominant.


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[Assistant] If you're not going to do it on offense, whether it be interior defensive lineman or a pass rusher opposite of Miles Garrett, if you can go get a solid stud defensive lineman to compliment everything that you have right now and make a unit that's already damn good, damn near unstoppable, then you go do so.


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[Assistant] I think I'm at a point to where I'm tired of seeing the one year deals.


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[Assistant] Hand it out to the veterans at the defensive tackle position. They've done that a lot. Hand it out to the defensive ends. Like, pick one of those two positions, go get you a young stud that's gonna hit the market, that's coming off their rookie deal, and solidify either that defensive tackle or that, uh, opposite edge rusher, Tobias Gehrig, for the next four or five seasons.


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[Assistant] He just won defensive player of the year. You're gonna have to give him a new deal, Jay, within the next season or two anyway. And I think this is the perfect time to do it.


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[Assistant] That's the hardest part of it. I do understand the thinking of it though, because I thought about it too, like, you could go get somebody that, that you might have graded up here, but then you could go get somebody that you might have graded two or three steps down, but you might view better than


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[Assistant] So, I think that Andrew Berry will work his magic. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out. If you restructure Deshaun Watson, cool.


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[Assistant] But I'm more focused on Miles Garret got a $20 million cap hit and I hear Jay, I don't know where he'll be, you know, four or five seasons from now, but nothing inside of me tells me that he's going to slow down. I'm restructuring that deal right now. I'm going to make his base $1 million.


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[Assistant] I'm just saying I'm going to make his base 1 million like it used to be. Right. And then that's more money I got to go out here and get more weapons on both sides of the ball. So for, for example,


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[Assistant] If the Browns were able to go trade for a stud wide receiver and then they signed a guy like a Darnell Mooney, okay, the Darnell Mooney sign that don't look as bad because you wouldn't trade it for, you wouldn't trade it for a stud or like


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[Assistant] You know, if you could get a Christian Wilkinson, right? And you signed him, and then you somehow was able to keep Mo'Hurts.


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[Assistant] Or you, you keep more hers and you find somebody else that's not on the same level as Christian Wilkins. Right. But somebody else that's still like a top tier interior rusher, then that's cool too. It's more than one, it's more than one way to skin a cat. And I trust Andrew Berry to go out here and do what he always do. Be aggressive and make stuff happen.


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[Assistant] I'll push back on that a little bit. I don't, I don't think that this is gonna ever be, not gonna say ever, let me choose my words better.


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[Assistant] I think Andrew Berry is doing a good job to where the Browns can reset and retool, right? I think they have a vision of making this a consistent contender, a consistent playoff team with the hopes of


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[Assistant] It's our year and everything fall in line that we can make it to the Super Bowl and win one.


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[Assistant] I want to go get a Superbowl. Right? I want to go get a Superbowl. And so I do too. I just feel like


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[Assistant] The general manager for the most part has done a good job to make sure that this team can compete at the highest level. He has. They need to do better at evaluating the wide receiver position and it'll be interesting to see how this offseason go. I know that like the fans, the chat, wait hold on, the fans, the chat, everybody might rip me for this, right?


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[Assistant] But there's a dude, and this is just, this is intuition, there's a dude on this roster who did not play at all last year that I really believe.


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[Assistant] Matter of fact, he was with Deshaun Watson when he actually got hurt. And so, Andrew Barry might feel like, I got a secret weapon that people might not know about, you still need to go get another wide receiver.


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[Assistant] I'm just, something about Michael Woods makes me curious.


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[Assistant] I know I'd be coming up with some crazy-ass trade scenarios, but this is out of line. Like first of all, you really don't even have any assets as it is, right? And you need to keep those assets going forward so you can regroup, retool, and keep this thing competitive. You've already committed to DTR as being your long-term


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[Assistant] Backup quarterback and everybody in the organization knows that if they can bring in a third quarterback, it's probably going to be Joe Flacco or Jacoby Bursette. So for as young and raw as Justin Fields is and being on a rookie contract,


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[Assistant] Listen, eventually you gonna have to pay the piper. If I'm gonna give up multiple draft picks for him, I'm resigning him. And I'm not trying to resign him.


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[Assistant] For him to sit on the bench. But I did think about something funny. If Pittsburgh did let it out there that they wanted Justin Fields, if I'm the Bengals, Browns, and Ravens, I'm petty. I am trading for them. And I'm making them all back up quarterback. Or at least get into a fitting war. Just so yo ass can't have them. Or at least get into a fitting war. We have to give up more. That's part of the game.


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[Assistant] Nah, I got more pressing needs, right? I already-


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[Assistant] DTR probably like, you don't even know fam, no flaco stats, y'all don't even know it yet. So, yeah, I just thought, I thought that was crazy. I mean, we didn't say, we didn't heard some crazy stuff from national media surrounding the Browns, right? Nick Tubb not gon' be here.


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[Assistant] David the joker was a cap casualty, now all of a sudden, we got two picks on day two and we gonna trade one of them for a guy that would never hit the field.


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[Assistant] Well, I know an article came out earlier today, Mike, where they talked about Chicago might wait to have the agency if they're going to shop Justin Fields to see what the market looks like. I'm one of those few people who believe they should hold on to them.


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[Assistant] Like, I don't think that, I think we haven't seen the best of Justin Fields, but I really believe that this dude has the potential to be a damn good quarterback, right?


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[Assistant] But not only that, DJ Moore was traded from Carolina. DJ Moore had a career year last year. Ask DJ Moore what he thinks about Justin Fields as a quarterback. When Matt Ebert flew stop that BS of not letting him scramble and get out the pocket.


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[Assistant] They offense started to look a whole lot better. If I'm Chicago, I'm finding me a trade partner within the first four picks. I'm moving back. I'm going to get Marvin Harrison Jr. and I'm going to get the best offensive lineman or I'm getting the best offensive lineman and I'm getting the second best wide receiver in this draft.


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[Assistant] That's what I'm doing. I'm building around Justin Fields. I got one more year to see if this dude can play or not, right? Because if you get Caleb, if you get Caleb Williams,


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[Assistant] You in the same situation. You still need offensive line help. DJ Moore is your only target. And if I'm in Chicago, I think a guy like Tremay Edmonds, who left Buffalo to go sign there as a free agent.


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[Assistant] Last year, they spent a lot of money on free agency dollars last year. I find that hard to believe that you did all that to make this a hard sale situation.


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[Assistant] I think it's something about the mentality, right? Like, no say, cause I got a kid that's in this era of kids.


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[Assistant] But it is something about these generation of children that's being born, that's passive, that feels like everything's supposed to be handed to them, like to be coddled. You're not wrong. Like that right there, if you got that type of mentality, I don't care how talented you are, when stuff hits the fan, you gonna crack. Fight or flight. And I don't need that.


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[Assistant] I started to text you yesterday because Mike sent out the rundown and I tried to do my due diligence to prepare. So I went and looked him up and I started watching Angel Martinez highlights and


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[Assistant] I fell into this whole, uh, man, we used to have, we used to have a short stop that I used to really, really like. His name was Francisco Lindor. I said, man, I hope I come in, I'm on this, on this panel and Jay is going to tell me and G why this man is the next Francisco Lindor.


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[Assistant] Passion of Pearl. Passion of Pearl. Oh my goodness. I just, I just, I mean, somebody tell me that he's like one of the top six or seven ranked prospects in baseball, please. Somebody. Listen. Anybody. He's highly regarded. Tell me he's him.


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[Assistant] And Stephen Volk got the nerve to be wearing number 12, and you gonna put Angel Martinez in a rundown to try to get me all hyped up about a dude who I think was supposed to be Frankie and my manager wearing Frankie number? Now, cold damn segment, the segment is out of pocket.


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[Assistant] I think this was maybe two seasons ago, I need you to correct me if I'm wrong. Somebody got hurt and we seen Jose playing second bass something, right? Was that second bass or shortstop that he was playing?


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[Assistant] Can Aries play another position outside of shortstop?


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[Assistant] I disagree with you and I agree with you at the same time. I do think that in the years to come, uh, we will see how the game is played and not the approach to the game be different. But the one thing we know about, you know, time and life,


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[Assistant] Everything cycles back, right? The players change, the games stay the same.


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[Assistant] And I think that when this record is broken, none of us will be here on the surf.


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[Assistant] When it, when it's done. And so, you know, they might've said that back in the day about Kareem as far as, you know, this will never be broken. Here comes LeBron and maybe 60, 70 years from now, we're going to see some, well, we won't, but there'll be somebody else who's going to come along and possibly break this record. I'll just say this, man.


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[Assistant] I don't really get caught up in a goat conversation anymore. I think that's based on your own opinion of who you think the goat is. Because there's no right answer. But LeBron James is just different. LeBron James is special.


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[Assistant] Is second to none and his place in history is etched in stone for forever. And I can give a damn about him coming up short with six championships and six finals, MVPs, his story, his journey is his journey. And you will never be able to write the story or tell the story of NBA without LeBron James.


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[Assistant] And I've done, went back and I've tried to read as much as I can, right? I don't remember...


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[Assistant] I'm just going through the list of players that are damn good players, right? Let's use Kobe, Mike, and Kareem for the sake of this argument. Three of the top five or six greatest players to ever play in the NBA. None of them had the expectations coming into the NBA that LeBron James did.


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[Assistant] Hey real quick, you know how LeBron, you know how we all know LeBron still got it, 19 points in the fourth quarter against the Clippers.


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[Assistant] And we are back after the highest of highs on Tuesday night with the Maxtrous game. One of the Cavs came collapsing down in catastrophic fashion on Wednesday against the Chicago Bulls. We have Thomas Powell in the house.


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[Assistant] We have Jason Lloyd back from Indy. I'm Mikey McNuggets. We got Anthony and Earl behind the glass today. But before we dive into topics, Jason, how was Indianapolis for the NFL Combine?


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[Assistant] When you were there, Tyvis, how much was sponsored versus unsponsored? Because even when you watch NFL Network's coverage of the event now, it's like they have the...


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[Assistant] I was going to say, I can't imagine being asked to perform at your peak when, you know, you got to the 4am.


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[Assistant] It's crazy you say that, and we'll get into the video and everything else in a sec, but it's crazy you say that because, well I don't disagree with a single word you've said.


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[Assistant] You see guys blow up at the combine, and their stocks legitimately rise and fall based on the performances. You see guys at the pro day, and I'll use Zach Wilson for an example. He has that crazy pre-makes the cross-body 70-yard throw to a receiver in shorts and a t-shirt, and somehow he catapults Justin Fields.


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[Assistant] These individual workouts that aren't coming in pads against 11 defenders or offensive players, whatever, but it does seem silly that-


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[Assistant] Awesome. Alright, well we're gonna get to the Cavs in one sec, but first, some really really really good news in the world yesterday that if you didn't see...


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[Assistant] We're going to be happy to show you guys in one second. We all know Jim Donovan in this fight.


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[Assistant] With leukemia yesterday, he had the opportunity to ring the bell.


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[Assistant] And guys, for someone who means as much, not only to this station, upstairs with WKYC, the Browns, as an organization as a whole, how awesome is it to see Jimmy get to this point in his recovery and...


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[Assistant] Jimmy, we're rooting for you. Congratulations on the progress you've made so far. Hopefully it's the last time you ever have to step in a hospital for any type of cancer treatment, but to see you ring the bell.


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[Assistant] Put a smile on our faces and I'm sure it puts a smile on everyone's face across Browns Nation. The Browns are better with you in the booth. We as fans are better for listening to you each and every week and we hope for continued


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[Assistant] Wellbeing and health moving forward. So Jimmy, kudos and we're going to continue to root for you moving forward. And let's get a read and then we'll start on that Cavs double overtime loss last night.


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[Assistant] And Thomas has a winning ticket too, he's gonna share with us after the next fan dory. But guys, let's talk about the Cavs lost to Chicago last night. If you had told me before the game, before tip-off, that Darius Garland would go 7-14.


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[Assistant] It is really tough to win basketball games in the NBA when you get out rebounded by 35.


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[Assistant] The Cavs made Andre Drummond look like Prime Wilt Chamberlain last night. He had 26 rebounds. Jared Allen had 4. For a team that had the soft label coming into the season after how the Knicks handled them in the postseason, uh, last night was not a great showing.


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[Assistant] For the Cavs frontline. It's also hard to win games in the NBA when your closer doesn't close. Donovan Mitchell will gas the entire game, coming off a back to back, coming off the illness.


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[Assistant] Maybe a little bit to be expected, but down the stretch he missed a crucial free throw in overtime. That would have extended the lead to four. The Bulls came back, hit three throws.


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[Assistant] The Senate doubled overtime. At the end of regulation, he had a turnover on their final offensive possession.


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[Assistant] Then they got a defensive stop, but uh, Donovan Mitchell was not his typical self in the final minutes. And then when you look at the total minutes, Sam Merrill didn't see the court at all last night, Jason, despite the game going to double overtime, despite some of their starters playing.


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[Assistant] Damn near 50 minutes. Akur only played 24 minutes. Levert played 39. Niang and Wade combined for 25 minutes. Really hard to win when you combine all those factors together. But Tyvis, I'll start with you.


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[Assistant] It was Valentine's Day. It was the day that Darius hit the step back over Crusoe, but Drummond had a very effective game.


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[Assistant] And when you're up 12 with 8 minutes left against an inferior opponent, and give the Bulls credit, they played Scrappy, they're a tough team, but...


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[Assistant] Talent wise, especially when they have Zach Levine, Alex Caruso, Alonzo Ball, and Patrick Williams all not in the lineup. There's not a talent comparison there. The Cavs are a far superior team. There's no real excuse to blow a 12 point lead in the final 8 minutes when you're a relatively good free throw shooting team.


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[Assistant] And the other team, just like you, is in the second night of a back-to-back, but give the Sumo credit, he made a couple tough shots, the Rosen was a monster. But it kinda shows the...


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[Assistant] The basketball god's working in favorable ways and unfavorable ways. If you look at the Mavs game and the Bulls game, the Cavs should be one on one.


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[Assistant] They just won the game they probably should have lost and lost the game they probably should have won. So at the end of the day, the one on one result in this back to back is probably.


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[Assistant] Accurate in how it should have played out, but you saw against Dallas.


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[Assistant] Mitchell went shot for shot with Kyrie and Luka in terms of the closing minutes. And then you had Stroops, who went five for five in the last three and a half minutes as their secondary option when they needed a bucket, a secondary closer.


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[Assistant] Well last night, and I'm not crucifying Mitchell, but he was clearly gassed, like clearly on his last legs, coming off the illness, second night of a back to back.


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[Assistant] 19 points, yea 19 points, uhm, he had 11 points and he was 3 of 9 in clutch moments.


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[Assistant] Which is the final five minutes end or overtime of a five point game.


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[Assistant] He was three and nine, he missed the free throw, had the turnover, he wasn't as prototypical, and he's been really good in the clutch this season, just last night.


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[Assistant] So, they just need someone else and against Dallas it was Max Struse. Last night it could have been Darius or Max or Mobley who was, you know, Mobley had 25 points himself. He had a really quiet 25 but still scored 25 points.


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[Assistant] Maybe letting Donovan be the decoy and let someone else be the primary closer just because it didn't seem like Donny had his legs would have been what I went to. But I also think when you're looking at how many minutes the game went to double overtime, obviously.


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[Assistant] I understand you're trying to get your playoff rotation set, but it's the second night of a back-to-a-back. If there's ever a time to get Sam Miros some minutes, ever a time to let Dean Wade


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[Assistant] And the yank play a little more. Granted, you were getting killed on the glass, but hey.


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[Assistant] It could have been the fort when they had Vooch and Drumming because then one of those two has to start chasing somebody around.


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[Assistant] He can, but we talk about the two big real quick, cause it's a good point. You talk about the two big lineup and the theoretical advantages playing two bigs, two traditional bigs. Evan Mobley is still a traditional big at this point in his offensive career. The advantages are you should dominate the paint, dominate the boards and other teams can't


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[Assistant] They shouldn't be able to do what Chicago did last night. And Evan had a good game. He scored 25 points. Evan had a really good game last night. Yeah, at four blocks. Evan played a fantastic game last night.


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[Assistant] But who had the better frontcourt game? Vuch and Drummond? Or Allen and Mobley? It's not really close. They had the theoretical advantage of having two bigs, but it didn't...


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[Assistant] They're gonna see the Knicks at some point.


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[Assistant] You just want to see JB kind of finalize his rotations for the playoffs. And while I do think big picture wise over 26 games, that's the right approach.


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[Assistant] On the second night of a back to back, I just don't understand why you couldn't have tried to squeeze a few more minutes for Merrill and the combination of Niang and Wade only got 25. It was 14 for Niang, 11 for Wade.


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[Assistant] JB, I think for the most part, has done a pretty good job this season, but last night I do have some serious questions about why he...


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[Assistant] But if you have Mowgli and Alan in the game, you can sacrifice a little perimeter defense because you're funneling.


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[Assistant] Whoever the opposing guards are into two bigs, you feel very confident in defending the rim. That's the advantage of having the two bigs out there.


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[Assistant] We're gonna talk about this tomorrow, so Tyvis, I want you to hold your thoughts, I just wanna ask Jason this real quick.


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[Assistant] How bad did they miss Tristan Thompson? And could you ever have imagined a world in 2024 where I was saying, holy crap, the Cavs desperately need Tristan Thompson.


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[Assistant] So they have eight games until Tristan comes back. He comes back on March 16th.


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[Assistant] You want to know the 8 opponents they play before Tristan comes back? Boston. Boston is in. It's a gauntlet. Their upcoming schedule is really tough. Oh, March is rough. Here's their whole March, er, here's their March schedule up until the 24th. You ready for this? Yeah.


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[Assistant] They have Detroit on the road tomorrow night. Game you gotta win. Game you gotta win. Then you're home for two games back to back. New York.


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[Assistant] We're gonna learn a lot about in that two stretch. Hit the road for Atlanta.


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[Assistant] Then you have a three game home stretch. Minnesota, number one seed in the west right now.


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[Assistant] Brooklyn, push over their terrible. Then Phoenix comes to town. Then you hit the road and go to New Orleans. And Houston. And Indiana. And then you play Miami, Minnesota, Miami.


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[Assistant] That's legit. A lot more tough games in that stretch than there are pushovers. You're playing the best teams in the league. You got Minnesota, number one seed in the west. Boston, number one seed in the east. Phoenix. New York.


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[Assistant] Indiana's in the playoff race, New Orleans, Houston's no pushover, Miami.


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[Assistant] Well it's on either ESPN or TNT, it's a nationally televised game, so, we'll find out.


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[Assistant] I don't know that, I did see the Cavs record against teams above 500.


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[Assistant] It's not great. And the record against team sub 500 is phenomenal, like 24 and 3 against sub 500 teams. And I bet you I can find it real quick, give me one.


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[Assistant] So, above 500 teams, and this was from...


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[Assistant] So this has to include the next, these last two games. They're 14 and 17.


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[Assistant] Totally off-brand for the best teams in the league. I'll read you the other records of the top teams in the league above 500. So, above 500, and this is from two days ago, I don't have the updated for everybody. It's close enough. But close enough. Boston 23-11.


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[Assistant] Cleveland 14 and 17, the Clippers 19 and 16, Milwaukee 19 and 13, New York.


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[Assistant] 12 and 21, even worse than the Cleveland Cavaliers. Phoenix is 500 and New Orleans 18 and 15.


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[Assistant] So I say all that just to set up the fact that we're gonna learn a lot about this Cleveland Cavaliers team in the month of March. You can have your opinions now.


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[Assistant] And it could be drastically different in four weeks when they play a stretch of teams who are all...


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[Assistant] Not only just above 500, but some of the best teams in their respective conference. Ant, what's up?


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[Assistant] They did. So ESPN put this out this week, and I guess there's been a game or two since the initial rankings came out, but they listed their playoff teams in different tiers of how legitimate contenders.


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[Assistant] They are heading into the postseason. So they have one team in the legit contender title or category and that is the Boston Celtics.


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[Assistant] In the inner circle of contenders, and I apologize for reading off my phone here, they have the Bucks, the Clippers, and the Nuggets.


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[Assistant] Then the Cavs fall into the hopeful tier, along with a bunch of other teams, Oklahoma City, Minnesota, Phoenix, the Knicks, and Philadelphia, and then the Longshots, which is the Mavericks, the Pelicans, the Lakers, the Heat, and the Golden State Warriors.


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[Assistant] ESPN did not give an exact breakdown of what they considered when putting team in each, putting teams in each category, Jason. But based on that, are the Cavs categorized properly in the hopeful tier?


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[Assistant] I actually don't have an issue necessarily with where the Cavs are ranked. I have an issue with a lot of other teams. Like a lot of other teams that I think are too low or too hot.


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[Assistant] P.J. Walker is also the greatest quarterback to ever walk the face of the earth. We're gonna just let that one go.


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[Assistant] I also think when you look at the hopeful categories, or the, what, the long shots?


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[Assistant] I mean I know the Lakers and the Golden State Warriors aren't having tremendous regular season success, but


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[Assistant] You know, if I asked you this question, just point blank, who would you be more surprised if they won a championship this season? Cleveland, LA, or Golden State? How would you rank those three?


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[Assistant] In my opinion, when you're building a championship contender.


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[Assistant] There's three major questions I think they need to answer, and we'll find out if they get these answers, but first and foremost,


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[Assistant] Be an undersized guard. So overcoming that, that's going to be a question they have to answer.


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[Assistant] They also have two non-shooting bigs. We're yet to see if that can be...


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[Assistant] A successful recipe for success in today's modern era.


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[Assistant] of basketball with so much Then you have the JB B which we just alluded to i is JB Bickerstaff a ch the other coaches in the e got some really good guys


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[Assistant] I actually should be fired for putting him in the same conversation, same sentence as Spoke, so bad job out of me, but...


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[Assistant] They're really good and they're winning despite any coaching issues. But I'm just saying before they get into that inner circle of contenders.


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[Assistant] I need answers to those three questions. So I think based on how ESPN categorized these four rankings, I think they're in the right spot.


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[Assistant] I had someone DM me last night and ask if JB, if you were picking just head coaching matchups.


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[Assistant] I'm a wash on that one. I don't feel strongly either way. In the two seed is the Cavs. Three seed right now is Milwaukee Dock Rivers or JB. Tyvis will let you start on that one.


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[Assistant] I mean, we saw last year. I'm taking tea. I mean, Spoh. That's Spoh. Spoh's best coach of the league. Nick Nurse.


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[Assistant] He does get the benefit of the doubt, he has a ring. And then you got a bunch of young guys towards the bottom. Am I missing anyone in the Eastern Conference? Quinn Snyder in Atlanta, but.


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[Assistant] If you're just going coaching matches, I think Quinn, he's one coach of the year too, which I know isn't the end all be all, but he's a good coach. I'm trying to think of anyone else in the Eastern Conference. The Nets don't have a coach. Uh, I don't even know the name of the coach in Toronto. He's a European guy. I'm drawing a blank on his name.


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[Assistant] Alright, well you guys are looking up, I have an answer. It's the Orlando Magic. And despite the fact that they're a physically dominant team,


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[Assistant] They have size and length across the board, they're long, their wingspans can give teams trouble, but just like the Cavs in the postseason last year, you gotta go through your playoff lumps before you kind of become a legit contender. I think they're a year early on their full development as a legit threat in the Eastern Conference, and they struggle to score.


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[Assistant] And we gotta figure out, I'm not worried about the Cavs defense in the postseason. Even last year against the Knicks, the Cavs defense was not the issue whatsoever. They got killed on the glass and even if they had


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[Assistant] In this scenario, the Cavs are the two-seed. They better be, we better be picking them to beat whoever they play in the first round if it's a two-seed matchup. I don't care who the hell the opponent is. And so that's a matchup they should not only be favored, but it should be a clean sweep across the board.


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[Assistant] The ball got deflected out of bounds at like a minute three, right?


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[Assistant] No, Darius drove on the left side, he put an attempt up, Vucovich swatted out of bounds.


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[Assistant] They have an out of bounds play on the, if the basket's in front of you, they're on the right side.


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[Assistant] Now, I wasn't able to find the replay of that play in particular. It ended up with a Mowgli 3.


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[Assistant] In the corner, and he ended up shooting with a second and a half, two seconds on the shot clock. I can't...


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[Assistant] I don't think that was the play design, and if it was, then I have an issue with the play design, but you're not running a play for Mowgli to catch a corner three with two seconds left. So I'm 99.5% positive that was not the intent of the play, and I haven't been able to find...


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[Assistant] A replay that shows or diagrams what they were looking to do. Cause it's not in the cut up cause it was a missed shot. They didn't make it. But Tai Lu was phenomenal at ATOs.


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[Assistant] And there are some coaches around the league, and I'm making a bigger point about JB here, a question we're gonna have to ask.


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[Assistant] There are coaches around the league who get paid specifically for their out-of-bound plays.


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[Assistant] After timeout plays, these design sets, when you have three seconds on a shot clock to generate a good look. A lot of staffs, I'm not sure who on the cab staff.


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[Assistant] Is that person Jason? You may know, they may not have one, but I know in Portland they have a specific guy who's a player development guy, but also he's their guru of ATOs. Yeah. I feel like there was a guy too when Eli was there.


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[Assistant] I don't know what the play design was last night. I want to go back and see it, I just can't find a replay of it.


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[Assistant] But I don't think at this moment that's necessarily a strength of JB. Or anything we've seen from them in the last four years.


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[Assistant] There's a two-year stretch of Memphis Grizzlies coaches between... Well, eh, was that... I don't know. Who's in between? I don't know. Alright, well, thank God for Google. And then we'll move on. Here, you do a read and I'll find out who was the coach between Dez Yeager and Taylor Jenkins in Memphis.


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[Assistant] You guys ready for the answer? David Fisdale. Oh, that's, oh, I should have known.


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[Assistant] No, no. He's the son's assistant. He was with the Lakers the last two years.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so ESPN did 10 tiers for this. They did all 32 teams for the NFL. They only did the playoff teams for the NBA, but essentially we could erase the bottom couple of categories for the Browns. The main ones we want to focus on are I guess teetering contenders headed in the right direction.


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[Assistant] Need a postseason breakthrough or stuck in the middle, or I guess if you really want to put him in QB Purgatory, I guess that's up to you. I'm not going to do that, but do you think the Browns are placed properly in the headed in the right direction category?


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[Assistant] Cowboys are way too high too. That's why I laugh. Well, but the name of the category is Need a Postseason Breakthrough, which is accurate, but I think you could say that about 31 teams in the NFL outside of Kansas City, so. I would say. It's a poorly named category.


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[Assistant] We forget though, the Texans were not a great regular season team. Like they barely snuck into the postseason. They needed Jacksonville to lose to Tennessee to get in. So I don't want to put too much stock into one playoff win. We had the Anthony Bell on the show yesterday. By the way, if you missed the interview with the Anthony Bell, I highly recommend you go back and watch it. Stay with us for an hour, by the way. Came in, hung out.


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[Assistant] It got, it got, he got so comfortable with us that we showed him the bonk montage that we're gonna play next week when Bull's back after the show. So it, he was awesome. Highly, highly recommend. But as he said yesterday, we played a terrible, we picked a terrible day to play our worst game.


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[Assistant] So I'm not going to hold one win in that high of regard for the Texans. I'm also not going to crucify the Browns.


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[Assistant] And hold it against them in this kind of ranking F1 bad games. So I'll put that into context for everybody.


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[Assistant] The Browns? The Browns. Yeah. Built from the ground up, I'm not even sure it's a rebuild. It's a start over. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I don't know. Maybe to me, it's blind optimism and hope, but I actually think the Browns are one category too low here. And I'm going to use Jason Lloyd and something he said on our show in January as a kind of reason to why they're actually one category too low with Joe Flacco at quarterback last season.


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[Assistant] To enter the playoffs we did on our Friday WKYC show, who's gonna make the Super Bowl?


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[Assistant] In theory, Deshaun Watson should be a major upgrade over Joe Flacco at quarterback.


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[Assistant] And you would think and you would hope that with all this collection of different philosophies coming together in the offensive room, regardless of who's calling plays, they'll be able to get more out of the Sean Watson than we've seen up to this point.


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[Assistant] In a browns uniform. And if you look at the roster as a- as a whole,


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[Assistant] If you felt comfortable, they might be a Super Bowl contender last season with Joe Flacco.


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[Assistant] And you think, and I don't want to put this on you, I think that Sean Watson will be an upgrade over Joe Flacco this upcoming season. He better be. And also yes, he better be, but.


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[Assistant] I don't know how they'd be on the right track and not on a teeter and contender. I thought they were a teeter and contender last season despite the quarterback carousel they had to deal with.


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[Assistant] And now with the Deshaun, healthy Deshaun Watson, hopefully, I think it puts them in the same category with Philadelphia and Cincinnati. Who were those teams? Just Philadelphia and Cincinnati. Just those two. I don't think they're necessarily a tier higher than the Cleveland Brown settings in 2024.


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[Assistant] Well, even if you want to say that two teams should be in the teetering, I mean, I'd put them about Philadelphia at this point. I mean, because Philadelphia, you're taking a lot of, a lot of bets and a lot of gambles on a defense that was horrendous last season.


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[Assistant] Completely unraveled, they brought an entire new defensive staff, entire new offensive staff. You have to still believe in Jalen Hurts to the capacity that he's an MVP candidate last season. He was not. I mean, they have more weapons on the outside for sure, but that's an aging team that I think had their window. It's on the decline as opposed to the Browns who theoretically


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[Assistant] With the integration of a healthy Deshaun Watson and a healthy Nick Chubb next season to whatever capacity Chubb comes back are on the way up as opposed to Philadelphia on the way down.


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[Assistant] But from last season, if this is where they were last season, with at the end of the year, you have Jerome Ford, whatever Nick Chubb comes back.


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[Assistant] Do you think Nick Chubb in any capacity this season would be better than Jerome? Oh, for sure. Okay, so that's enough great offensively. Deshaun Watson vs. Joe Flacco, that's a big question mark, granted.


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[Assistant] But you would think, and you would hope that Sean Watson isn't upgraded at the quarterback. He better be. I just refuse to believe Andrew Barry will not make some sort of necessary and legitimate improvement to that group. But they like their rule. Once again, you can't believe Andrew Barry. And I'm not saying he's a bad person, but he's paid to lie to us.


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[Assistant] That's his, literally part of his job. We think he lies? When he says we're happy with the wide receiver room, yes that's a lie.


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[Assistant] He was saving himself for the post season. Yeah, that's right. I'll buy that.


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[Assistant] It was a perfect number three last year, they needed a number two.


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[Assistant] I'm taking tight ends out of the equation, as far as the receiver goes.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you this Thomas. Honest answer. Is Elijah Moore a legitimate 2 in the NFL? And don't tell me David and Joku, this is just receiving room.


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[Assistant] Is Elijah Moore number two or do the Browns need to upgrade their number two wide receiver position this offseason?


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[Assistant] And even if they sign someone in free agency, like I'm all for using that 54th pick on a receiver. We talked about it on I guess Tuesday about the combine.


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[Assistant] And how it doesn't really matter, you know, Tyves put it the whole sil- uh, siliqui.


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[Assistant] That we did at the start of the show here on It's All About Your Tape, where you run it to 40, what you bench press, like it doesn't really matter. There are like 10 to 15 really good receivers in this class.


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[Assistant] In the past, you know, at 54, you may be like, the top 4, 5, 6 guys we like are gonna be gone. Well...


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[Assistant] That list may not be 4, 5, 6 this season. They're gonna be 3 in the top 10.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of different options. Like today in the draft.


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[Assistant] Just a few names, who knows if they'll be there at 54 or not, but Brian Thomas of LSU.


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[Assistant] Burner, great deep threat. Troy Franklin of Oregon. A guy who is big, athletic, he's like 6'3".


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[Assistant] Uh, 220 but runs a 4, or supposed to run a 4, 3, 4, 4, 40. Xavier Worthy from Texas, he got a burner. Then there are other guys. Lad McConkey's not a burner. Speed guy kinda from the slot. Shifty. Gets open. There's a bunch of different options.


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[Assistant] What I'm saying, the browns should have more than just...


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[Assistant] Oh, we gotta take the best available guy at 54 because he's the only one we like in that range left. There's enough good receivers in this draft that I anticipate a couple of those guys being available at 54 if not moving up to take your pick at 11.


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[Assistant] Whether they're one too low, one too high, they're right in the right range with the right teams. Just to put a cap on this, right?


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[Assistant] I feel like, relatively speaking, ESPN did a halfway decent job. At least with the top guys putting teams in the right spot. Eh! What's up?


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[Assistant] He had a tremendous fourth quarter. I don't know if you saw it, but he had 19 in the fourth, outscored the Clippers by himself in the fourth quarter. Uh, kudos to LeBron. Alright, and let's talk a little bit about the NFLPA report cards that came out yesterday. Before we dive into the individual grades, Jason, I know one of the questions we're going to ask is,


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[Assistant] How much of these teams actually take into consideration the results of said report cards and does it matter in the grand scheme of things? Stefanski was, uh, asked about it yesterday. I know you were at the presser.


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[Assistant] He mentioned the fact they're going to build a new weight room, which is one of the things they got dinged on, so kudos to the Browns for listening.


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[Assistant] Do you think these matter at all in the big picture? Do the teams actually take into consideration?


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[Assistant] How their players vote and use that feedback for constructive criticism and ways to get better?


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[Assistant] You run through the grades in one sec, but from a player perspective, Tybus, you know, were these things you considered and did you ever look at an NFLPA report card when you were making, I know, I know, you were kind of on a...


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[Assistant] We want you to come to us situation, not a ton of options, but would you have looked at that if that was part of the decision making process when you were playing?


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[Assistant] Oh and I saw, I saw in the report card too, they said the post game family room is outside.


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[Assistant] A little bit of an issue was how they put out these grades, and we'll run through all the grades in one sec, but.


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[Assistant] I do have a little bit of an issue of how the NFLPA just kind of slaps these report cards out there without giving the proper context to each grade. So first and foremost with the facilities, the Browns scored poorly in the locker room section. They said it's too small.


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[Assistant] It's outdated. They said the weight room was too small. Outdated. It is. Stefanski comes out yesterday and says they're going to build a new weight room. Well, I love to hear that they're listening and they know those upgrades are necessary, they're going to make them, but that all points to the bigger picture of why Jimmy wants a new stadium. That kind of is all encompassing with


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[Assistant] I was under the assumption that if they moved to Brook Park, it'd all be one encompasses.


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[Assistant] That's a big plot of land. That's plenty big enough for a new stadium, a practice facility, and hotels, restaurants, bars, and all that. You think? That's a big plot of land, Travis.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, you know better than I do. So I'm not gonna, I just assume with that much... I don't know, I don't have the answer. I actually never thought to ask.


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[Assistant] The other issue I have, and this is kind of my real issue with how the NFLPA presented these grades, is they just put out the report card and it says head coach for the Browns, B minus.


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[Assistant] And I asked the Anthony Belt to his face yesterday. I guess that's behind the glass, but...


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[Assistant] Hey D'Anthe, this just came out, Kevin Svanski got a B- in terms of his grade.


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[Assistant] The question they ask about a head coach is, is your head coach efficient with his time and is he willing to listen to the locker room?


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[Assistant] And put 28th out of 32, how the hell am I supposed to know? Those were the two questions that the players were asked. And Kevin Stefanski, in my opinion, is a terrific head coach.


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[Assistant] You can argue it's a player vote, who likes him, who doesn't. I know that that's the players voting on this B minus grade.


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[Assistant] But you gotta put some context to it, because if you just see a B-,


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[Assistant] When I asked D'Anthony Bell yesterday, I was under the assumption, is he a good head coach? Do you like your head coach? And that is not what the actual questions were. And now I feel like I'm kind of an asshole for asking D'Anthony Bell to talk about something that was completely irrelevant to what was the point. And the NFLPA just puts it out. B minus. He answered the question.


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[Assistant] Well, it just shows that every player is voting an A for their head coach.


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[Assistant] I guess my big issue though is like, you know, I had to do some legit-


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[Assistant] Not legit digging, but you have to physically click on the article, scroll down to said section, find out the questions asked, and see how they're graded.


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[Assistant] Well, they don't put that on the report card. They just put B-28 and that feels like it's a shot against the fancy, but when you actually read into it, it has nothing to do with this coach ability.


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[Assistant] I'm here to judge a head coach when there's so many aspects. How about beating San Francisco with PJ Walker?


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[Assistant] One of the team travel things I wanted to point out was that they said certain players, based on your status, like starter or not, like you may have to have a roommate. You have to pay if you didn't want to have a roommate on the road for certain players. Which was not super uncommon by the way.


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[Assistant] This is a billion dollar, multi-billion dollar franchise. Y'all could afford an extra hotel room or two. Like I, I think that should be a non-negotiable. They said, and seven teams, the Browns are one of seven.


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[Assistant] And I actually feel pretty steadfast and I don't think I'll ever budge on that, but that should be zero.


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[Assistant] What should it be in terms of hotel rooms on the road?


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[Assistant] What are you talking about? Uh, that's another issue. And what are the next grades?


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[Assistant] And it's not just on the NFL level, like, to go to college for a second. You know?


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[Assistant] I can speak to A&M, putting almost a billion dollars into upgrading facilities that aren't that old. LSU just completely redid their football locker.


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[Assistant] Apples to pears. It's like a fruit basket fruit. Recruits are free agents anymore. But like, these facilities do make a difference. And we talked to enough kids, you know, I was covering them in high school back in Texas and Tennessee, like, oh, why'd you pick this school over this school? Well, this was pre-NIL, and now I'm sure NIL money plays more a factor, but playing time and


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[Assistant] Yeah, even with the Cavs, I'm not sure, Jason, I've only been in two NBA locker rooms, but I went in on Tuesday for the first time.


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[Assistant] I'm just surprised, I know it's going up and up and up on the collegiate ranks, I'm just surprised that that same thing isn't following.


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[Assistant] But I'm just saying, like, you see a team that get all A's across this, they're okay. What did Kansas City get? The Chiefs got an F- for ownership.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but. All this report card stuff is cool and it's fun to talk about in the middle of the December, uh, F minus. Here it is.


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[Assistant] The conclusion we can come to is if you have Patrick Mahomes, nothing else matters, right?


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[Assistant] Yeah, maybe the greatest ever. We're just going to pay him off the bat. No pressure.


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[Assistant] Let's go after anybody. I think literally anybody's an upgrade over Kenny Pickett, Mason Rudolph, and I know they're gonna let your biscuit go.


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[Assistant] Jason, you were in Indianapolis yesterday. You were at Kevin Stefanski's press conference. He spoke for about 20 minutes to the media on a plethora of different topics. Revealed a lot. What was your main takeaway?


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[Assistant] He's unsure on who call plays at this point still, which we assume is going to be the case until training camp.


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[Assistant] I thought by announcing they were doing joint practice with Minnesota, to me that was like, alright, we're playing Philly week one, we know it.


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[Assistant] Hotel prices in Brazil, if they're doubling up, I mean they better get on that soon.


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[Assistant] And when they broadcast these pressers, they don't need to give a mic to the question.


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[Assistant] You know, watching from back home, you have no idea who's asking the question, you can barely hear the question. So I don't even know how the question was phrased, and or who asked the question, but I'm glad someone did. It was about motion, and how the ESPN stats had them at rank 30th to 31st in use of motion, and then Kevin kind of said, well, we like the window dress, but we don't want to run unnecessary motion because it kind of could confuse too many.


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[Assistant] Hey, I'm aware. Here's kind of why I don't, but I'm open to maybe adding a little more in the future. I thought it was a really good question and a kind of.


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[Assistant] So I, I can't sparse it by week to week, I only have the full season numbers, but Buffalo, 27th in the NFL, increased that motion on just 13.4% of snaps. The Browns, 31st at 12.4, so, uh, just a 1%.


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[Assistant] Increase from Dorsey. Now granted, he was only the coach for, what was it, 10 games?


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[Assistant] Offense coordinator for 10 games before he got fired, so I don't know if that was more before the firing and then Brady used less or how that works out, but 27 and 31st in the league.


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[Assistant] Last season, according to Seth Walder from the ESPN Motion Chart, I just retweeted it from the UCSS account if anyone wants to go, uh, take a look at it. As far as Dashawn visiting and meeting with Kevin Stefanski and Ken Dorsey in LA,


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[Assistant] I know they said technically they can't talk football. I have to imagine there will be some football talk in these conversations. Of course! Yea, like that's just, once again, Tivus, these are paid liars. Remember, you can't believe everything they say.


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[Assistant] I'm really, I want to see those two at a Lakers game, or those three at a Lakers game, go check out the Hollywood sign, check out the Venice Boardwalk. You can put them on a tour bus, go past the homes. We saw last season, there was some sort of unspoken


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[Assistant] Chemistry connection, whatever, between Stefanski and Joe Flacco. Just clicked, right? It just worked. And...


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[Assistant] For whatever reason, it just hasn't clicked in that sense with the Sean Watson yet. So I'm down for trying literally anything. Whatever it takes. Do you want to throw out a crazy idea? Poor bus.


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[Assistant] Walk the Hollywood Walk of Fame together. I don't give a rat's ass what you want to suggest to get them on the same page, but just spending time together, get to know each other, help develop that chemistry and maybe you can learn a thing or two about Deshaun and vice versa. Deshaun learns a thing or two about Dorsey and Stefanski that when push comes to shove in the fourth quarter,


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[Assistant] Something you kind of learn about that person, you won't find out how they reacted to a pressure situation, but something you learn about them in that situation could then come back into play in a football scenario three, four months down the road.


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[Assistant] Uh oh, I'm not saying it was bad, I'm just saying, Flacco came in and it was immediate.


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[Assistant] I'm not insin- before you go Jason, I'm not insinuating it's a bad relationship. Like that's not what I'm just saying. Whatever it takes to bring that relationship from wherever it is, good to great, great to impeccable, impeccable to the greatest relationship ever, to take that next step, I'm all for trying anything.


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[Assistant] But if you go back to his days in Houston, like Deshaun was best as an improviser. And that's not a knock. That's like, very few quarterbacks are best in that situation. And Mahomes is.


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[Assistant] Even Josh Allen, to the extent, is an improviser, but different feel. But I'm just saying, like, when I say he's best as an improviser, that's not a knock on what the show is about, he's just best one.


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[Assistant] You wanna say cutting it loose, you wanna say taking the restraints off, however you wanna phrase it. Letting Deshaun kinda control whether it's...


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[Assistant] The full ability to call any audible he wants to play, change a route, whatever he needs to do to maximize what he does best, which is...


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[Assistant] And don't, he plays backyard football. But I mean that like once again, my home is like in the best way possible. Let him kind of.


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[Assistant] Take advantage of what he does that other quarterbacks can't. And even he said it, you know, when it was about the first 15. I don't think that's what he meant to say, but he's like, I just like kind of going out there. Let me see what's happened. I'll read the defense.


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[Assistant] I'll adjust however I adjust and then I'll make the best play possible for our team.


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[Assistant] Whatever it takes to get the Shanta doing that for 50-60 plays a game, I'm all for it. Like, whatever it takes.


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[Assistant] We talked about Tuesday. The Browns have done a terrific job.


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[Assistant] Of paying and structuring contracts to get guys money up front. Yea. And pay it in hand, like, Daven Tomlinson's cap hit has been 10 million over the last two years, he's been paid 30 million.


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[Assistant] Uh, one more question on their structures. So if they don't do Deshaun, and look, for numbers sake, let's just say it's 35 million for Deshaun, right? If they were to structure.


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[Assistant] Who else could they restructure Coopers on the last year's deal? Trouble give you a couple million?


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[Assistant] If they want to go big fish hunting in free agency, which maybe they don't, but if they do, they're going to need to find some more money. Who else could they restructure to get to that, you know, 30-40%?


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[Assistant] So his, his dead cap's more than his actual cap number this season, but next season, if they were to cut him after 2024, the dead cap number's just 8 million, as opposed to 19 and a half. So he's probably getting cut next offseason.


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[Assistant] Everyone be thrilled. Andrew Barry did say all three tackles are expected to be fully healthy by the start of training camp, which means I don't anticipate Dewan, Jedwills, or Conklin being traded at any point this offseason.


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[Assistant] You could argue he was a competent play enough, but I thought he was better in the limited action we saw than Jed Wilt, so.


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[Assistant] We're going to overtime man, what's on the docket for overtime today?


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[Assistant] Uh, well, Thomas Rapid, I have you back. Missed you last week. Lots to get into today. And, uh, before we do that, and before I send it to Anthony, I do have one more question for you, Thomas. You turned 30, you weren't here, so happy belated from everyone at UCSS. Do you feel old now? Do you feel like you hit that 30-year-old plateau and, uh,


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[Assistant] Do fan opinions have any impact on a player's decision to re-sign or sign with the team? A little CavsMaps preview of the top 5 you're not going to want to miss from Anthony Antonelli who we will


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[Assistant] Say what's up to you for the first time today with our first Reel Day. What's up Ant?


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[Assistant] This wasn't on the docket to start today, but we got some information. Cleveland.com put out the final numbers from the flying pilot J or flying company.


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[Assistant] Our pilot company, excuse me, sailed to Berkshire Hathaway and Warren Buffett. The final number in totality for the sail, Earl.


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[Assistant] 13.65 billion dollars for Jimmy Hazm's Flying Pilot J company. We've talked in depth on this show about


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[Assistant] To change your opinion is to make you feel more strongly in what you thought about beforehand about Jimmy paying for the stadium. And when you see a number like 13.65 billion dollars.


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[Assistant] How do you, how do you feel if he asked the city to pay for half of the estate?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I wanna clarify, he didn't get a check for 13.65 billion. That's the lump sum they've been paid over...


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[Assistant] It comes to about $13.65 billion. Great reporting in Cleveland.com, by the way, for finding all those and kind of putting it together in a digestible way.


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[Assistant] I always assumed it'd be a 50-50 split. That's just because of how the precedent has been set, not just in the NFL, but in the NBA and Major League Baseball, in terms of how owners...


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[Assistant] Cronky gets all the benefits and 100% of the financial profits from that whole area because it is. And I know if it's a 50-50 split, the city gets some sort of back end help and jobs and all that.


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[Assistant] I also think in a perfect world, Haslam's gonna move this stadium to Brookport. Because he has more land to build developments, restaurants, bars, all that stuff.


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[Assistant] But I just have a hard time looking at a price tag of 13.65 billion and knowing that's in your


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[Assistant] I don't know exactly how it gets divvied up, but to know a stadium is going to cost about 2 billion, give or take.


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[Assistant] And on top of your other businesses, you got 13.65 for this.


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[Assistant] How can you ask, to Earl's point, how can you ask one of the five poorest cities in America to help fund it when you already have it?


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[Assistant] All jokes aside, that is literally the American dream. So he's, he's made it and the thing with the stadium, if he does build it himself.


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[Assistant] Let's say it does cost 2 point – let's just use a round number, 2.5 billion.


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[Assistant] In the long run, that's going to make back so much more money than what it even costs to put in. So if I'm Jimmy, like, and I have the money, this may be.


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[Assistant] But there's greener pastures in Brook Park and bigger financial outcomes for me if I pay for it myself. And it may take longer to reap those benefits and see that return on investment, but.


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[Assistant] This signals to me that this is probably not going to stay down.


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[Assistant] There has to be a give and take on both sides. Not just from the hazards, but from the city. If they are going to contribute to this, what's on the back end for them as well.


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[Assistant] It's just a tough task to put on, not necessarily a task, but just a tough ask for a city, as Earl pointed out, is not...


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[Assistant] The more and more that comes out, the more and more my gut feeling and I wish and I hope it stays downtown. I think Cleveland as a city is much better with the Browns playing downtown. I just think the reality of the situation when you look at the financial benefits and the 100% ownership of the entire property potential for Haslam.


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[Assistant] Uh, it's looking more and more like we could be dealing with the Brook Park Browns than the downtown Cleveland Browns in 2028, 2029 whenever that new stadium opens, which.


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[Assistant] You want to use game time to go to the Cavs game. You could also use promo code LOCKDOWN as the Cavs take on the Mads. We'll talk about that coming up in a few minutes. Guys, Andrew Berry is going to speak to the media from Indianapolis at the NFL Combine here.


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[Assistant] At 12.30, which really means about 12.45, which means we'll react to it on tomorrow's show, but


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[Assistant] Let's take a little gander and preview what we- It's just the reality how that stuff works. It's never actually at 12.30. So, what do you want? Tyler, start with you.


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[Assistant] One thing you want to hear from Andrew Berry today when he addresses the media sometime in the next two hours.


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[Assistant] I think what you guys both said is very valid, but I think we're going to get to the number one thing that we need to hear from Andrew Barry today.


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[Assistant] All that's null and void if Deshaun Watson isn't Deshaun Watson next season. We need DW4 to be as good of DW4 as we've seen.


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[Assistant] During his time in Cleveland, and I'm, I'm curious to see what the update on his status is, cause we haven't spoken, heard from, or frankly seen, which is totally fine.


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[Assistant] Cause he's rehabbing. We haven't seen Deshaun Watson since the end of the season. And nobody knows.


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[Assistant] An update on his status, better than the general manager of the team that employs him. So I hope Andrew Berry comes out today and gives us a little insight into the progression of the Sean Watson's recovery.


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[Assistant] From the shoulder injury that knocked him out of the game, er, he finished the game against Baltimore, had that terrific 14 for 14 second half with the bum ankle and the shoulder, which by the way, as we get more removed from that, the fact he went 14 for 14.


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[Assistant] As, as we grow further and further from that game, like kind of the lower of that performance just gets better and better and better. But I'm really curious to see if Andrew Berry addresses, and I'm sure he'll be asked about it.


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[Assistant] Uh, a status update on one Deshaun Watson. I also would like to know.


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[Assistant] There's any clarity on how the offensive play calling situation would be handled. I know it's not necessarily an Andrew Barry question. It's probably more of a Kevin Stefanski question when he speaks on Wednesday. But those are a couple things I am looking forward to hearing Andrew Barry address today.


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[Assistant] About the free agency plans, Mary Kay Cabot of Cleveland.com, who's one of the friends of the show, put out an article yesterday, kind of outlining


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[Assistant] What she believes from speaking to people in the Browns will be their offseason plan. I want to highlight a couple of these. I want to see if you guys agree. This is according to Mary Kay Cabot from Cleveland.com.


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[Assistant] Mary Kay said they would like to retain Moe Hurst and Shelby Harris, but they're fearful Jordan Elliott will want to hit the open market before they have a chance to negotiate a deal in-house. So potentially lose Elliott, keep Hurst and Harris. She mentioned Harris and Bryant will likely test the open market, opening up a potential need at tight end.


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[Assistant] She also said that the browns, and I wanna, I wanna word this exactly as she did.


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[Assistant] The Browns want to retain Joe Flacco and Zedariah Smith.


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[Assistant] But they will let them hit the open market to dictate the price first. So they're not willing to offer up a deal.


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[Assistant] In a perfect world, they'd like them both to come back. So you guys want to run down that list and see if we agree with Mary Kay Cabotts.


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[Assistant] And here's the thing with Taki Taki, so of all linebackers with at least 300 cover snaps last year.


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[Assistant] He was one of the best coverage linebackers in football. Not just by the eye test, but by the metrics. Now, when I say first, that means, that means best, even though it's going to be first in yards allowed or first in percentage targets caught, but that's the best. Like you want to be high.


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[Assistant] He was third in pasture rating allowed. 80.5. This is any linebacker in football, 300 targets. He was fifth in yards after catch allowed. So if you did catch it on him.


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[Assistant] He ain't getting any further. Tacking him right away. And he was first and the percentage of targets caught just 62 and a half percent. So in coverage, Taki Taki.


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[Assistant] Among all linebackers qualified, not just AFC, we're talking NFC, any linebacker that played 300 coverage snaps, they were very few in football that were more productive, more efficient.


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[Assistant] And more valuable than Taki Taki and with Anthony Walker most likely not coming back. He wasn't even mentioned in Mary Kay's article.


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[Assistant] We talked about the death in the linebacker room without Anthony Walker and Taki Taki. And it's a bunch of nobodies outside of J. Okay. With all due respect, unproven commodities on the NFL level.


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[Assistant] Taki Taki was awesome last year, and I only have reason to believe he'll get better.


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[Assistant] In 2024 with a set position in the Mike position for the Jim Schwartz defense and more reps under his belt. I don't know why he'd regress. I think the sky's the limit for this dude.


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[Assistant] So we're on the same page. Don't let Taki Taki at the open market. It's much better to Cleveland.


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[Assistant] Let's talk about the defensive tackles here. According to Mary Kay, they would like to re-sign Hurst and Harris. They're probably feeling that Jordan Elliott will test the open market. Earl, we talked about this last week when we did the defensive tackle foundation. Tyvis, if they go with Hurst and Harris as the two they bring back to pair with Tomlinson and Siaki Ika, are you comfortable with that four man defensive tackle rotation?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I think it shows more trust in Siaki Ika taking a step from a non-factor at all as a rookie to being a guy that can play in the rotation.


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[Assistant] I feel pretty good if that's the trade off, assuming you feel confident and see Aki Ika taking that next step.


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[Assistant] Real quick on Harris and Bryant, they signed Jordan Aikens last year. Earl, I know you thought that would be a bigger impact sign than it turned out to be. I thought Bryant actually was a really, really, really good second tight end for them especially.


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[Assistant] That brings us to the last two. And these guys fall in the same category, but we'll go one at a time. So Darius Smith, Joe Flacco, according to Mary Kay, the Browns will let both of these guys set the market. They want to bring them back, but they can't guarantee it. I'll start with Darius Smith real quick, guys. He has said, even when he came to Cleveland, he's a mercenary.


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[Assistant] He wants to get paid. The key to this is his next paycheck, his next job.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna imagine, and I don't wanna speak for Zidarius, but just based on his track record as a player,


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[Assistant] If you think Alex Wright or Agbo could give you equal to similar production, why would you spend that money?


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[Assistant] What about Joe Flacco? Test the market, would you pay market price for Joe Flacco to beat the Sean Watson backup?


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[Assistant] I don't hate the idea of it being DTR. I'm actually comfortable with DTR being the backup, and I'm in a perfect world. I think Berset's can be 2, 3, 4 million dollars. I think it'll cost half of what Flacco does. I take Berset back.


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[Assistant] I think at the end of the day, if Watson gets hurt, the season's over anyway.


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[Assistant] Your goal is to win a Super Bowl. If you're, if you're content just making the playoff, sure. But if your end goal is to build a Super Bowl roster,


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[Assistant] The Browns don't have a pick till number 54 in the second round. Are you, as a Combine alumn yourself, as interested in the NFL Combine this year as you have been in previous years?


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[Assistant] So this is why I'm actually excited about the combine, this season in particular, for the Browns. Now, Thibis, you said it earlier, the Browns need, number one need this offseason wide receiver, right?


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[Assistant] It's historically loaded with prospects that have passed the scouting grade test in the 90s and up or 88s and up, whatever you want to qualify as high end tier prospects.


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[Assistant] Marvin Harrison Jr., Malik Neighbors of LSU, and Roam Odunzie, I believe I pronounced that correct, of Washington. They'll be top 7-8 picks, right? They're gonna be top 10 picks. Yes. They're not participating at the combine. But the next crop of receivers after that...


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[Assistant] Is deep and a bunch of these guys have first round grades and there's a chance.


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[Assistant] That not just 1, but 2, 3, 4 of these guys could potentially fall to the browns at 54. And these guys, to my knowledge, and unless I've missed something,


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[Assistant] There are a ton of receivers outside of that top, top, top tier is going to go top 10.


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[Assistant] They do the 40 yard dash, the bench press, the shuttle drill, the cone drill, all that stuff. Yeaah. You know these guys are athletic. But then when you have a guy, you're like, alright, let's use, uh, let's use Lad McConkey for an example, right?


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[Assistant] Who, on paper, doesn't look that fast.


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[Assistant] That's why I want to get excited. Now granted, whether he runs a 4-4, 4-5, 4-6, what he does on the field is more important than what he does in spandex shorts and what do you call those shirts? Like the compression shirt?


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[Assistant] Yeah, like none of that stuff really matters, but when you have a guy you like or think your team may like,


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[Assistant] To figure out who I may like a little more and if I'm close on a guy like a Brian Thomas from LSU and a Troy Franklin from Oregon, like,


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[Assistant] If I'm close on their evaluations, well, the combine is a chance to see them side by side. You may like one's physical traits more than another.


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[Assistant] Drafted off 40 times. John Ross, the guy from South Carolina. He ended up, uh,


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[Assistant] The Raiders drafted him, or Maryland. Darius Hayward Bay was drafted off a 40 time, and these guys don't pan out, and it happens more often than not where these gaudy combine numbers don't necessarily translate to what you want to see on the field.


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[Assistant] I don't think anyone expects what they do at the combine to be perfectly translatable on the field stuff, which is why Marvin Harrison Jr. said,


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[Assistant] I'm not wasting my time training for something that doesn't apply to football.


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[Assistant] I understand and I have like, trust me. I'm not drafting a guy just because he runs a fast time in the 40 or benches. What'd you get on the bench press by the way?


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[Assistant] No idea if this is true, I just heard a rumor. That the testing facility at Ohio State is really 39 and a half yards, not 40. So everyone never runs 40 times, like half a second or two up. Can you confirm that?


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[Assistant] I mean, do you consider like having a conversation with someone on Twitter? Getting into it? Like it was a simple conversation. Oh no, it was simple. It was simple.


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[Assistant] I think it's unfair to tell a fan how to fa- and, okay, we'll get to it. So, there's been since his return from injury a lot of criticism of Darius Garland. And Donovan Mitchell, after the game against Washington came out, we talked about it yesterday, saying he thought the criticism of Darius was unfair, unkind,


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[Assistant] And, uh, a little overblown considering he's coming back from injury and what he's done historically throughout his time in Cleveland. So there was some discourse on Twitter last night, and that's what Donovan Mitchell said. He used an explicit word to describe


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[Assistant] It's because people insult it as in real life best friend Darius Garland. And...


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[Assistant] I, someone then quote tweeted this and I responded to the, actually it was Evan Damro locked on. Uh, who we like, we like Evan, good dude. And he, he said fans should essentially be positive and you don't need to be negative. And I was like, well you can't tell a fan how to fan.


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[Assistant] At a professional level. Do you think fan opinions?


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[Assistant] Do you think fan opinions, NFL, NBA, whatever, good or bad?


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[Assistant] Have any impact on a player's decision to sign with a certain team or not? Or is what we say on Twitter, Instagram, whatever, on this show or any other show just mindless chatter and it has no impact on a player's decision? Because I think there's a very obvious answer and if you disagree.


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[Assistant] So we'll make this into the Donovan conversation. Do you think Donovan seeing people being mad about Darius Garland's play on Twitter impact his decision to re-sign or potentially not re-sign with the Cavs? Will it have any impact at all?


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[Assistant] Please say what I think you want to say. F.


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[Assistant] Before you go, real quick Ty, not just you personally, but any of your teammates, whether it was Seattle, Denver, San Francisco, did they ever say, I wouldn't sign with Team X because of the fan base?


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[Assistant] But for the most part, Cleveland media and fans are really lenient and pretty kind towards the players that play for their teams. I mean, I'll use a couple examples, but the New York Yankees booed Aaron Judge in a playoff game. Type is key imaginative.


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[Assistant] My point is, if that was a reason not to sign with a team, the Yankees would never sign anybody. If the Yankees ever had an issue signing a player.


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[Assistant] Philadelphia and their fans have a CVS long, uh, history.


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[Assistant] Of throwing batteries at players and running guys out of town. Who do that? Philadelphia.


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[Assistant] Because the athletic wanted to do more, he's at a higher position than just the Cavs now. Okay. So, he took the bag. And Jason respect you. Shout out to you, Jason. But like, in general, the Cleveland media is pretty lenient on these guys, as opposed to what happens in other cities. So, if you can't handle Cleveland and you're upset, and I'm not


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[Assistant] Making this about Donald Mitchell, I'm just saying, if you're upset how they're treating Darius here in Cleveland, go look what they did to RJ Barrett in New York City.


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[Assistant] Now go look at how they treated a handful of other guys in major markets, and I just don't understand how someone could think that what, Timmy in Brook Park, or Zach from Solon, or Dylan from Ohio City, or McNuggets in downtown.


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[Assistant] When it comes to telling fans how to fan, that's kind of really where I have an issue because this whole idea that everyone should just be positive all the time and upbeat and only celebrate the good, part of what makes the enjoyment and the pure euphoria of the good moments of being a fan


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[Assistant] Is going through the trials and tribulations, right? Like, it's kind of the come up and...


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[Assistant] You know, I do think there are levels of criticism that are completely unwarranted. When it becomes personal at somebody...


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[Assistant] When you go after their family or, or their, their girlfriend or husband or whatever the situation is, if it's unjust, unbiased and not based in, you know, an opinion or a fact, then yeah, there are levels of criticism that cross the line. But for the most part, being critical is what we all do with people. We can't do what they do. Like I'm critical of Darius Garland and Donovan Mitchell and George Yang and Jared Allen and Evan Mobley in certain circumstances. I couldn't do what they do.


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[Assistant] I can never do what Titus did and sometimes, or Greg Newsom and...


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[Assistant] I can still sit here and say I didn't think Greg Newsom played a great game against the Houston Texans. Can you imagine after the Texas game if we were like...


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[Assistant] Man, that Brown's defense, they really gave a lot of effort.


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[Assistant] And the, and the discourse of being a fan, and the back and forth of being a fan, and the fact that we could look at the exact same situation, right? Let's, we'll use Philip Walker for example, and whether or not Tyvis truly believes Philip's good, or this is the longest running bit, and you see his attention.


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[Assistant] But like, like Philip, whether he's a winner or not is yes. We look at Philip Walker, right?


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[Assistant] But my point is the back and forth we have is what makes sports fun. Yes. Arguing, MJ vs LeBron. Err, Thomas, how about this?


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[Assistant] Arguing whether Darius Garland should be coming off the bench or st- like that's what makes sports fun is these back and forth debates. And of course when you're making your point, you're gonna try to find what validates your opinion and find what knocks down the other person's opinion.


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[Assistant] And that's what makes sports different than almost anything in the world, is you can have these discussions, and preferably in a simple manner.


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[Assistant] But if everyone thought the same way and everyone had the same direct mindset of A plus B equals C, this show wouldn't exist. This radio wouldn't exist.


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[Assistant] So at the end of the day, Earl, we'll end with this and I think we have a special guest here in a sec. Is he ready? Yea, he's ready. Alright, well then let's uh, well end with this, we'll bring in a special guest here.


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[Assistant] Did you see the discourse on Twitter? Hopefully you're not online while you're standing by the ocean here in Tampa, but did you see the kind of back and forth and the spiral that came from that first tweet and then the million or not millions, but the hundreds of other people in Cleveland chiming in on whether or not some fans opinion will impact Donovan Mitchell's decision to stay or leave?


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[Assistant] Well yea, but that, like, like, well, the first thing you told us when we met was, you can't always listen to the chat. You know that.


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[Assistant] Bo, how's the uh, how's the food down there so far? You eating well?


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[Assistant] Was he the one that tore his ACL celebrating the extra point? Yea, for the Cardinals. Yea, for the Cardinals.


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[Assistant] Well, enjoy your vacation, we appreciate you stopping by for a sec. I'm expecting this to be a daily occurrence now, right? This is gonna happen once a day.


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[Assistant] Kyrie Irby makes his first return to Cleveland since 2022.


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[Assistant] He is a 500 career player as an opponent against the Cavs. It's Luka and Kyrie vs Donovan and Darius.


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[Assistant] I believe Donovan's feeling much better. He practiced yesterday after, uh, now he played against Washington but was clearly hampered with...


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[Assistant] Some sort of illness. What are you guys kind of looking forward to when Kyrie is returned here to Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse? And however the Cavs plan on slowing down him and Luka...


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[Assistant] Uh, so in terms of Akuro and the Luka matchup, there are like certain individual one-on-one matchups within a game.


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[Assistant] That obviously determine the outcome and that'll be one to watch, but just in terms of...


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[Assistant] How you handle certain players can put you on a pedestal on a platform to make an all defensive team, whether it's first team or second team, or kind of catapult yourself at least into that conversation. And if I was a voter, Isaac Kerr would always be in that conversation. He held Dame Lillard at 20% below his field goal percentage the very next game, held Paolo Banquero.


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[Assistant] To 10 points below his scoring average. He's one of those guys that can guard everybody. And seeing how he guards Luka tonight.


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[Assistant] Luca and Jason Tatum aren't exactly similar players. They have very different offensive, uh, scoring skill sets, but.


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[Assistant] They'll try to guard a Jason Tatum or a Jalen Brown being a 6'6, 6'7, 6'8 wing who scores the ball and kind of holds the ball more than anyone else in the league. But to Earl's point about Darius Garland.


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[Assistant] He had those moments at the end of the fourth quarter against Washington. The three that made it 94-91, the three that tied it up.


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[Assistant] That you would hope would be the stepping stone of DG getting back to the old DG of 2021-2022 when he made the All-Star team and was tabbed as the next up and coming point guard in the NBA.


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[Assistant] And we've seen him have moments, like his very first game back from injury, he scored 20 points against Detroit, and then he kinda teetered off. So I'm curious to see if this moment against Washington,


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[Assistant] Is it jumping off point for Darius? Or if it's gonna be another up and down roller coaster as he continues to get healthy, continues to find his legs, continues to feel more comfortable within his offense. But I'm really curious to see how Isaac and Luka match up.


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[Assistant] Can Darius continue to take that next step forward and any Darius vs Kyrie matchup is going to be exciting because those two guys are both magicians with the basketball in their own right. And then three, was that 18-2 stretch before the break?


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[Assistant] The outcome of a weak schedule and the calves just getting hot for a certain stretch, was that the peak we'll see from the calves this season?


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[Assistant] Or was it kinda just a little precursor for the second half, and we haven't seen that yet, but I'm not putting too much stock into two games without Donovan Mitchell.


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[Assistant] Coming off the All-Star break. So those are kind of three things I'm looking forward to tonight. See if the Cavs can get back into the swing.


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[Assistant] Before they welcome Detroit, not Detroit, excuse me, New York and Boston to Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse over the weekend.


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[Assistant] And to his aggressiveness, that's a lot of, that's something that's kind of gotten brought up a lot. There's not one stat that encompasses aggressiveness, right? Like there's different components to it. Aggressiveness can be scoring, it can be getting in the paint.