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[Assistant] They're all in. They're all in for this year. Hopkins is double. They'll worry about that after this year. Alright, so that's Julio. There's more. You talked to Mike Florio about it for a long time. Yea, a long time. An hour. PFT live. You can get that wherever you get your podcasts or on Peacock as well. Alright, we're getting in to the top 40 once again. We're making it into the top 20. In partnership


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[Assistant] That's pretty cool. You did this last time with Paul. Very cool. Very cool. I do like, I do like Woodford Reserve. You're a Woodford Reserve guy. It's good to hear. I took a tour of their distillery in Kentucky. Did you really? When I was covering the All-Star game in Cincinnati. We drove an hour and a half. Right.


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[Assistant] Yes, for me. Right. Okay, so let's get into number 20 here. Uhm, talking about, uh, stars, aging stars, Julio Jones, uh, finding a new team. How about number 20 on your list? Found a new team last year and is back


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I think the thing that just sticks out is you can remember, I can visualize some passes where it's like, Cam is an 8 yard pass and Cam just chucks it into the ground 4 yards downfield. And so those things stick out.


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[Assistant] Looking at his attempts in the second half of the year, because I did think, you know, after COVID, he struggled, he's had injuries in the past, mechanical issues. I was like, man, did they just run the ball exclusively? You take a look at what he did after COVID.


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[Assistant] And then before COVID, because you had him ranked 10th last year. That was before he signed with the Patriots. And you were feeling pretty good about that after the first couple of weeks. Comes back after COVID. Doesn't look quite as good, but I will say this.


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[Assistant] And so I guess maybe- It's a little better than you remember. Yeaah. It's that bad stretch that was really bad. Like it wasn't downfield though. I think that's the thing that sticks out, right? Wasn't it? It was mostly around the line of scrimmage. It was.


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[Assistant] So you've seen him do it before. Seen him do it before. Saw him the first three weeks. That's the argument. He's 32. Yep. He's had injuries. Yep. This is who he is.


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[Assistant] This year, there's another team that did not make the playoffs last year that has high expectations for this team.


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[Assistant] It is the team with a new quarterback. Number 19 on the Chris Sims list.


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[Assistant] Alright, Pete wants you to give a letter grade to his supporting cast with the Jets and what it will be now with the Panthers.


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[Assistant] So, of the last decade, I mean, historically-


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[Assistant] Exactly right. Uh, let's, Kristen, do you have Darnold's last three years? So here's, let's take a look at Sam in the NFL from 2018 to 2020. And this question comes from Max Mulcahy. Uh, Max says this.


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[Assistant] What have you liked from Darnold in the NFL that you didn't like when he was coming out?


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[Assistant] You probably haven't changed, honestly, all that much. No, you're right. But it's just, you probably always saw him as like, he could be a 20-ish quarterback in the NFL and when you're being taken number one or top five, it's like, what? Top 20?


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[Assistant] Alrighty, because he's got the, uh, he got the Sam Darnold bowl versus Zach Wilson.


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[Assistant] Uh, week number one in Carolina, taking on the Jets' old team.


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[Assistant] He said, uh, to the media, he goes, for me as a competitor, I'm going out there to compete no matter who the opponent is. So that's kind of my mindset. So he's saying like, it doesn't matter. Like that's a lie, right? You want to go out there and beat your old team. So he lied there. And then in that same statement, he goes, I think it's a really good opportunity, a good opportunity for this team to go out and prove ourselves against a good opponent.


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[Assistant] That's true, they got a little bit better. Maybe an upgraded quarterback. No, but yeaah, that'll be fun to see. Week one.


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[Assistant] I'm rooting for him. He's one of those quarterbacks where people are starting to give up on him. I want him to prove people wrong. And I think the same can be said


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[Assistant] For number 18 on your list of your top 40 NFL quarterbacks going into next year. That player is, we got a follower, but it's Carson.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Kristen, let's look at his last four years if you have it there because one of those years we talk about all the time on track to be the MVP. Yeah, MVP.


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[Assistant] Pete has put something in here, and Pete, this is an indication that I think we've been doing this, uh, too long. I feel like we've done this before. Pete put in here the blame-o-meter ranked the things that are at fault for Wentz's bad season.


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[Assistant] Like, uh, Howie Rowe's been drafting Jalen Hurts, uh, bad supporting. Because we had before, the statue of Nick Foles, was that the reason the fans, where you put them in there? You let the fans off the hook there. Uhm, but you've made the point that it was a lot around Carson Wentz, but there's some culpability there for him too.


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[Assistant] Frank Reich should be. I mean, he was there in Philadelphia for his best, uh, best times, and so that should help. I am curious, the one last thing with Carson Wentz is you've heard in the past, and maybe it's been overblown, just how, is he, is he that quarterback personality? Is he a leader of a, of a team?


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[Assistant] Uh, MSN had a story on it and they talked to some of the players. Uh, his new teammates, like Michael Pittman, said, I have no idea what everyone else is talking about. I just see a team guy. He's always ready to help and just do whatever it takes. He's been a great guy and a teammate. Uh, Jacob Eason says he's done a tremendous job, whether it's in meetings or in the locker room. He engages the guys.


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[Assistant] You're gonna get that in new teammates. They don't wanna, I mean, they don't know him that well either. But I think it's interesting. Former Eagles captain Malcolm Jenkins was talking to Chris Long in his Greenlight podcast.


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[Assistant] Uh, and he said this was after he was traded to the Colts. He says that the quarterback sometimes needed to reach out more to some of his teammates, but he was never the sort of quote, locker room cancer that he was accused of being. So I'm interested to see how


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[Assistant] He's different or how much was overblown of him being that quarterback, that leader in Philadelphia.


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[Assistant] Well, they were all cheering him on at the end of one of their OTA sessions when the whole team played in a knockout tournament. You know, the knockout basketball, brought a hoop onto the field. He is good. And Mo Ali Cox in the finals and Mo Ali Cox was a three year starter.


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[Assistant] They can be shooters. The worst shot's gonna be linebackers and offensive linemen. I feel like. Just the b- the build, short neck of a linebacker seems like you're gonna get a stiff shot.


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[Assistant] Well done. New team. Already impressing them with your shooting ability. One more quarterback to get to. And he is now in his second year. Wild fluctuations. I know. With this guy in his rookie year. You had him 26 to start. He was up to 9th in November when you did a re-rank. And now he is at 17.


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[Assistant] Maybe this year he will, at least a little bit more. Tyler Boyd.


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[Assistant] Oh, his throws were humming. We've got to anticipate this because Joe got stronger last year as well. So hands out there, stinging a little bit, but we got to adjust to it. And another story talked about him adding strength to his hips and he himself thinks he has more velocity on his throws this year. So maybe he's, maybe he-


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[Assistant] I gotta read you this, cause he did listen to you maybe. Cause this is what he said about himself. Self-scout thyself. He didn't say that. Oh, I was gonna say that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and so, I mean, you look at his numbers, all the way through week 11. Did we show that yet, Kristen? His, all of his, I mean, five of his ten games, he had 300 yards or more passing. So they put the game on his arm. All on him. 406 versus Cleveland, week seven, and that three point loss. Great game there.


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[Assistant] Uh, so you see he was past attempts per game, second in the end. I mean, they were saying, Joe Burrow, I don't care if you're a rookie, you are going to pass the ball. You're throwing it. And that's what they did.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, some of the game, and when you do that, and the other team knows you're gonna throw that much too. I mean, that also does make it somewhat difficult. He had the third highest percentage.


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[Assistant] Which is why there was the debate. Penny Sewell. I know. Or Jamar Chase. I mean, it's gonna be special. With Chase. Down the field passing, like you said, needed to get better. He's gonna help with that. It's almost like you couldn't go wrong. Either one had pluses and minuses. But you hope you can protect them. I hope they can protect them too.


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[Assistant] We just need to rebrand a little bit more. They've changed the uniforms a little. They tweaked. We like those all whites. We do like the all whites. Just match it with an all white helmet. We'll say you've sold us then. So Joe Burrow number 17. Those are the four we will reveal today in partnership.


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[Assistant] With Woodford Reserve, Bourbon, that was The Sims Top 40 Quarterback Countdown.


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[Assistant] About with Paul, number 22 on your list, Ben Roethlisberger.


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[Assistant] Which is funny, those are so small, and you don't even think of it. You're like, yea, all quarterbacks would do that, but you almost take it for granted when a quarterback doesn't.


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[Assistant] One more, we talked about Jalen Hurts not being ranked in your top 40 last time we talked together. We talked about Gardner Minshew. This one comes from Gfreak34. Why isn't Jordan Love on this list?


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[Assistant] Keep the questions coming. We always love the questions from the homies. They make us think. We also get a lot of comments on our next segment.


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[Assistant] Let's continue. The Royal Rumble countdown. Coach, quarterback, tag team partners. Here was 32 through 25 if you're watching on YouTube. Uh, these are the coaches and quarterbacks that would most likely lose a fight if they were in another fight.


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[Assistant] Here's 24 through 17, so a little bit better than the, than the pack that we just saw, but still likely to lose against half of the league. There are a couple on this list.


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[Assistant] That now I'm starting to doubt. Oh yeah, like what? Tell me the first one.


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[Assistant] Alright, so they'd still lose more times than they would win. So now we're getting into the better fighters. The better duels. And right in the middle of the NFL, I have number 16.


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[Assistant] Now, Stafford, you know me, I love Matthew Stafford. I mean, he's played with a separated shoulder. He's thrown a touchdown pass. So he'll, he will fight to the death. And Sean McVay,


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[Assistant] He's, he's young. He's not big. He's a very small guy. Right. But sometimes that, that's tough to get to too, right? It is. He's a small target.


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[Assistant] And he's not gonna tire out. Like that, I don't think he has ever been tire-


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[Assistant] I talked about 15 and 16, but no, I'm standing by it because I think the coach here, and oftentimes it's going to rest on the coach, right? The quarterbacks are all in shape for the most part, but I think this coach is one tough man. He's 6'3". He's also 59. Ron Rivera, Ryan Fitzpatrick, your Washington football team.


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[Assistant] Now Fitz is a liability perhaps. I understand that. Scrapper too though. But a scrapper. Smart. Like he's gonna out think the competition perhaps. For a majority of the league. They're not in the top ten, but I think Ron Rivera, I think he alone could take another coach. Most other coaches. Just himself.


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[Assistant] They're still close together. I think they'd still beat more than half of the league. Uh, 13. We're going west. We're going with youth.


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[Assistant] And the Chargers with a very big Justin Herbert and a Brandon Staley. He was who I was


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[Assistant] I don't know, I don't know a whole lot about Brandon as an athlete, but Pete Notes in here started two years at quarterback for the Dayton Flyers. He's not big, 5'10", but he's 38. And so I'm banking on youth there, and I'm banking on the giant stature of Justin Herbert.


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[Assistant] Like Brandon and Ron going head to head, just like picture that, right? You got Ron, who's intimidating, can stare you down, and he's gonna go, and he may be winning early on, but something, I mean, older, something could happen, right?


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[Assistant] It really is. And the big quarterback, and here's another fairly big quarterback, and I think the coach is pretty big too. Uh, yeaah, Pete notes here approximately a 6-1. At 12...


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[Assistant] In the tag team combo, I'm going with the New York Giants. Daniel Jones, Joe Judge, who's 39 years old. You know Joe Judge, former quarterback.


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[Assistant] You're right. Number 11 here, uh, uh, this is the opposite of Daniel Jones personality-wise as a quarterback.


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[Assistant] The Cleveland Browns of Baker Mayfield and Kevin Stefanski. Stefanski is 39. A lot of 39 year old coaches here. 5'11. He played defensive back at Penn. Two time honorable mention for the All Ivy team. And he's got that stare.


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[Assistant] Much like Ron Rivera. Where, like, Kevin Stefanski, I've never met the man. He, like, could be a robot. Like, I'm not totally sure that he is a human being.


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[Assistant] And if someone tells, told you that Baker Mayfield has not been in a fight in his life before or multiple fights, he'd be like, I don't believe that. I don't feel like he's been in many.


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[Assistant] That's true. Good call. Good call. We've seen it before. Evidence. Uh, but he is not in the top ten. We got two more here. I'll give you ten and nine. And then we'll save the final eight for the next time. We talk on Wednesday. Number ten. So just making it into the top ten.


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[Assistant] He's played through, you know, medical conditions. He's come back to coach. Stress is not apparently making him scared. He's not running from it. He's going headfirst into this fight.


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[Assistant] But I'm going with more of the strength of the quarterback here. And there is a little bit of a quarterback debate with this team. New Orleans Saints, I'm going with Taysom Hill. Yeaah. I think it's going to be Taysom Hill. Right. And Sean Payton. Sean Payton, certainly a liability there. Uh, but.


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[Assistant] I think Taysom Hill, we've already seen it with Taysom Hill. Like, a quarterback that can run like him, play tight end, take the hits, uhm, he's gonna be tough to take down in any fight.


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[Assistant] Alright, so I feel better about that. That's Taysom Hill, pound for pound. One of the toughest quarterbacks and maybe the toughest. And Sean Payton with dip and a beer.


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[Assistant] Cousins on the other hand. Uh, I love it. Alright, we'll get into the final eight next time. Real quick before we go, uh, you gotta look at a body.


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[Assistant] And, uh, that body is, uh, who is this? This is, uh, Giovanni Bernard. So Chris Simms, professional body inspector, is taking a look at Gio Bernard quads.


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[Assistant] I would not be surprised if the running backs are telling the team photographers now, it's like I need to beat. Like we've seen the ones out there right now, get the perfect shot and let's put it on social media because we've seen AJ Dillon and his quads and he was asked about


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[Assistant] There we go. So we're showing another picture here. I don't know, we're showing the right quad at a good spot now. I don't know if that's quad father or quadzilla, but.


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[Assistant] There's definitely another, I know there's another athlete that's quadzilla out there. I don't know if it was a college football player, a track star, but I've heard that one before. Quadfather's new.


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[Assistant] So here's the challenge. We're gonna do this next time. We're gonna get to rate your snap count next time. So send in, rate your snap counts. Uh, we'll do that next time. And also, if you wanna send in more quads of NFL running backs to us that you've seen out in the wild, we'll rate those as well. We've become the snap count quad king of NFL podcasts.


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[Assistant] I think that's the best plan. I think so. For every one or two nice things someone's going to say to you. I love the fact that you had blank first. You're going to have a hundred that call you some kind of name. So just like make a pact with yourself for the next two months from staying away.


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[Assistant] I think it's also good, even though you're a fan, I'm sure that you keep somewhat of an eye on Saturdays on college football. You're not living college football, getting caught up in the narratives there. I'm not. From August through January.


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[Assistant] You're probably like, okay, I know the names, I know a little bit about what they did. Right. But you're forming that opinion solely based off the film you watch now in the winter, in the spring. Solely. You don't have a history with what's been beat into you throughout the fall.


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[Assistant] Let's, before we get into one through six, and I just saw it for the first time, so it's gonna be a nice little surprise for everybody. Let's keep the history going a little bit to kind of frame what we're doing. I want to show some of the older tweets that have come in, just how you have stood your ground on some things and cut against the grain a little bit, and you've had some really good


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[Assistant] You've had some really good springs this way of ranking the guys 1 through 5 in terms of how this played out. We see there with who we're talking about here. Mahomes. Okay, Mahomes. That was pretty good.


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[Assistant] My homes, and we move into Lamar Jackson. You talked about that. You had him number one. Yep. Most people did not.


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[Assistant] But ranking the quarterbacks is really fun. It is good. And I just want to say that you mentioned like people want to come at you for being wrong. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Nobody gets all of these rights. Nobody has ever gotten them 100% right. I used to work with Mayok all the time and Daniel Jeremiah, and they were so good at it, just like you are, and people want to bring up, well, what about this? Of course I'm not 100%.


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[Assistant] Okay, Zach Wilson, number one, as the, uh, as the everyman fan here, I mean, what everybody's wondering, and I think he's terrific too, but the question, how do you not have Trevor Lawrence, number one?


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[Assistant] What is that written down to? Because he's listed at 6-3-2-10. Right. And I'm watching him, like, he looks 6-3-1-90.


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[Assistant] So just, just for background, kind of framing where I come to this one too. I did something with Peter King yesterday. I knew we were going to spend a lot of time on this. He did a great article, kind of an intro of Zach on his football morning in America. You can check that out as well. But, so I've watched him more than the other guys the past couple weeks. Really the past couple days.


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[Assistant] I also was blown away. You threw out a lot of different ways of praising him and analyzing him. I want to kind of break it down a little bit. Let's start with just the physical ability. I got the feeling watching him a few games in.


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[Assistant] Same feeling I had last year with Justin Herbert. Not in the same kind of raw talent, but if he's throwing a five yard stop route in front of him,


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[Assistant] And I knew that you were going to like him a lot the more I watched him. I'm surprised you have him number one. Yeaah. I didn't think you were going to go there. But the more I watched him, the more I saw, okay, you want to take the ball, get back, step towards your target, follow through. That's great. There's a little bit of that.


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[Assistant] But there's so much of the little hop this way, I'm going to fade back here. I'm going to step this way and throw it that way. I was trying to think of the best comparison to kind of illuminate it. And what I thought of just athletically,


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[Assistant] Really good shortstop. If you had an MLB game, balls hit to the right, he can run up there and sling it to the first base, but no problem. Step ahead of the runner. He can be fading back into left field and throw it. He can take a step towards second base and come across this way.


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[Assistant] And in addition to the traditional throws, there are so many of those where he is the athletic shortstop moving all over the place with the ball looks the same going to the target. You have to sit up at some point and be like, this is even better than I thought it would be.


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[Assistant] That was your biggest point of conviction where you're like, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna be the guy that has a number one.


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[Assistant] Yes, two things. That's number one. So the competition. Let me find the competition one. That's from Caleb Baird. Says, love the pod. How much do you value Zach Wilson who faced lower competition at BYU as opposed to like Justin Fields who faced better teams, uh, or Trevor Lawrence, Kellan Monk, throw any of them out there.


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[Assistant] When they're not quite on hot, hot either. Someone who was playing the other side could also say, yeah, yeah, but he's also throwing against first round corners, first round safeties facing pass rush from first round players. Right. Zach Wilson might not have seen that


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[Assistant] Don't you think general managers and scouts are going to have to coach against themselves or block this out of their mind that they've always watched a really good quarterback prospect?


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[Assistant] Against the Coastal Carolina, against the La Tech and say, okay, that's good, but I know LSU game is coming. I can watch him against Auburn. Like that's not coming now. Do you think that some of these guys are going to evaluate?


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[Assistant] And keep him in a safer spot because like last year you could watch Joe Burrow against Texas. Yeah, sure. You watched Zach Wilson against Texas states. Yeah. Do you think ultimately that, that professionals, guys who were doing this as general managers for teams, will, will keep him back because of that point that was brought up?


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[Assistant] I have a number of places I wanted to go. Pete, are we moving on to Trevor?


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[Assistant] I think you stuck with me for four of these in a row too, so. Yeah. There will be some revisiting. Oh, I'm stuck with you. Absolutely. Darn it. Second rated quarterback in the draft. I don't know how many other people are going to get to say that sitting across from an analyst, but uh, Trevor Lawrence.


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[Assistant] It's important to take a breath. Uh, I think it's important to point out here as the first time that we've talked about these quarterbacks on the show and the fact that you have Zach Wilson won Trevor Lawrence too. It's not a case where you're raising your hand and say, Hey, Trevor Lawrence is not as good as people say.


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[Assistant] I get the feeling you really like him. I do. You believe in him to be an NFL success and worthy of a high pick. Definitely. You just think the other guys are a little bit better. I think it's important to point out it's not a positive negative thing. It's two positives with one higher. No doubt.


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[Assistant] It's, it's a fun watch, isn't it? It is a good class, yes. Uhm, from Twitter here, at Janusary14. Yes, there is an S in there, Janusary. Is Lawrence really a generational talent or have we just been hearing that for so long? It's groupthink.


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[Assistant] That's a good start. Wilson 1, Lawrence 2, I'm ready to go under 3. Let's do it. We'll spend a lot more time with Trevor down the road. Number 3, you have Mack Jones. I'm excited that you have him there.


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[Assistant] Kind of like Zach Wilson, you watch him and I, I, I don't know how you could watch him and whether it's 5 minutes in or 20 minutes in be like, he's, he's better than what people are leading the


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[Assistant] Steve Sarcassian was fantastic this year. And I know they have wonderful weapons. I could call those plays too with those guys. Sure. However, I mean the scheming that he got to be a part of is great.


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[Assistant] I think a lot of teams figured we may as well take our shots blitzing against this guy. We're probably going to get beat anyway. Let's get out. Maybe there was a lot of heavy blitz that got to him. The second he got rid of the ball. I mean, so that was, that was a layer of he stands in there and he


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[Assistant] I feel like people are taking so many shots at him because of what you just said. I'm telling you. Because it's just-


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[Assistant] He's just, he's pretty good. He's just consistent all the time. You want somebody who can be awesome or just consistent? And it's like, I'm like, I need some comparisons here to help make sense of this. You golf much? I mean, I know a lot about golf.


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[Assistant] Play with some good golfers. Okay, so like, if you're playing with somebody who's even when you make the turn, you're like, that's pretty good. This is a good golfer. Not making birdies, but he's even. You play four rounds with him on the weekend.


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[Assistant] And he's shooting 71 every single time. Yeaah, right. That's a player. And I feel like he's kinda the guy that's... I hear that. Maybe he's not gonna go 64. He's hitting 70 almost every damn time.


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[Assistant] And I also get a little bit of the feeling, he's not, I thought Burrow was better last year, but one of the things that stuck out about Burrow was like, man, how many times in a row has he gone to the right place? Thank you. How many times has he gone to, like, that's a tough coverage, but he put it in the right spot where it was supposed to be, and Mac Jones is doing that all the time too.


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[Assistant] Anytime there's a top-notch quarterback playing, I always try to get down to the field and see him.


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[Assistant] You understand very well that there's some things you see from the field that you can't see from the stands. So I got down there next to him, and that was the start of it for me, like, this guy's a lot better than what people are giving him credit for. His command of the ball, where he wants it to go, the RPMs it has, and the time it gets out of his hand to there, that was my first time I was like, okay.


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[Assistant] Alright, Wilson 1, Lawrence 2, Mack Jones 3, bringing us to number 4. Yeaah. I've not seen much of this guy other than the highlights in the fall, so I'm looking forward to this. Number 4, Kellen Maugham, A&M.


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[Assistant] I think your cut against the grain was Zach Wilson being ahead of Lawrence is probably going to get more play. But Kellen Mond ahead of Fields ahead of Lance may, maybe right there in terms of how often that, uh, how rare it is. So which, which move was more difficult for you? That one. Which one?


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[Assistant] One backing up, just to kind of follow up a curious question. You said Kaelin Mon's system at A&M was pro-ish. I think I remember you saying that Trevor Lawrence's system was college-y. Yes, it's college-y. What's the difference there?


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[Assistant] Long Strider. Starts, starts narrow, goes wide, Wilson doesn't do it, Jones doesn't do it, Trevor Lawrence does a little. A little every now and then, but it's not as much.


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[Assistant] And the only reason I recognize it is because I was terrible at it. It was one of the things that I couldn't fix and I know that it affected my accuracy inconsistently. No doubt. And I see it from him all the time.


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[Assistant] It's such a concerted effort for these guys and like Brady's been doing it for a while. You can tell he's spent so much time in the off season.


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[Assistant] That was very much an effort to be like, okay, I'm going to get to my ready point and I'm going to be wide because I don't want to start narrow. Another thing that worried me about Justin Fields, going back to some of the things I've learned from your dad, from him and from listening to you the past couple years. So the long stride thing is bad for balance.


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[Assistant] You've talked a lot about how you like quarterbacks to be a little bit down here, because it's easier to control consistently. Right.


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[Assistant] I feel like fields is a little bit up top. And when you go up top, the ball has to come back like that. That leaves a lot of play. A lot of play up in there to lose it. To lose it on an intermediate throw where you don't if you're down here.


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[Assistant] And I can just hear people out there and it's a legitimate pushback and part of what I feel like what I need to do sitting in this chair. He had maybe the best quarterback performance of the season in the college football playoff.


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[Assistant] And it's also, the Ohio State thing comes up quite a bit, and it's gonna be part of his evaluation.


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[Assistant] And this is my own question before we get on to the next guy. You see him as a first round pick?


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[Assistant] But even though you see some of the things that concern you, back half of the first round, if somebody takes him there, you're going to be at home thinking, I like that. I guess. I do.


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[Assistant] And we're going through six here, so your sixth quarterback, Trey Lance, which is also, I think, lower than what most lists are going to have.


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[Assistant] His highlight tape is kinda like, uh, you're just getting to know him. You're like, highlights, okay, ten minutes.


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[Assistant] Most of it is a really good, deep route. Right. Or he runs by or over everybody. No doubt. No doubt. You get to that point, you're like, okay, can I see him fit in an in route? Yeah. Can I see him get to the third level and kind of put it over there, 10 yards downfield? That, that's going to be,


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[Assistant] So how hard is it to properly evaluate Trey Lance when he played one game this year against inferior opposition?


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[Assistant] The one question I'm having as I'm listening to you, maybe some people out there are having the same one, why don't you have them ahead of Justin Fields?


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[Assistant] I think it's a legit concern. Yeaah. It doesn't seem like a Chris Simms kind of concern because you trust your eyes with the talent. I know. Whether the guys played one game or ten. It's not my concern. Whether he's thrown one pick or thirty picks.


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[Assistant] That reason to me, I'm like, yeah, that would worry me too, but seeing it through the lens that I think you picture quarterbacks, like, it's not a, it's not a first kind of thing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's that. So let's make up a little back half of the first round scenario. Let's say you're top four guys, Wilson, Lawrence, Jones, and Mond are off the board. We're in the 20s, mid to late 20s. Team is going to take a quarterback and it's down between these two. It's between fields, it's between Lance. Is the biggest reason to take fields that he played more games last year?


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[Assistant] That's six guys. Let's flash them up there one more time. The one through six, uh, it was a fun start there, starting out with Zach Wilson. I'm out of breath. Right? I almost sweat. You almost got sweaty a couple times. So we have, uh, Chris has Wilson one, Lawrence two.


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[Assistant] Okay, so let's take a look at this graphic. Second quarterback to be drafted, provided by Sportsbook. It's uh, Wilson.


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[Assistant] Points Bet by Sportsbook. Yes, Pete? Points Bet Sportsbook. There we go. Thank you guys. No problem. So Zach Wilson is, according to them, gonna be the second one. I wanna ask this question though. This is a good question. I already know what you're gonna ask. Alright. You got a feeling? Yea, I have a feeling. You think any chance the Jaguars take Zach Wilson over Trevor Lawrence?


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[Assistant] Okay, 2021 class and perspective. These are some good questions. At David Grundy, where does last year's class rank with this year's class? Does Borough or Herbert make it in the top two? I'm going to say Woodboro or Herbert make it in the top two. How about Tua?


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[Assistant] So this whole class of potential first-rounders, you like quite a bit. Yeaah, yeaah, I do. Even though you brought us some questions about Fields and Lance, they didn't feel like the kind of red flags you were raising like you did about Tua last year.


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[Assistant] Last question here, it's a quite a bit bigger picture. As a whole, where does the 21 draft class sit compared to the last five classes?


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[Assistant] It's a first. What's that? First time it's ever happened. Fully made up.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, we're back baby. That's right, it's Tuesday after Memorial Day. Chris Sims, Ahmed Fareed is in the fold. Ahmed Fareed in his horrible snap count. We're still growing, it's getting better and better. That was really great though, because your voice cracked.


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[Assistant] I think they might look better too. I come in here today after the show, I'm in the office. I see them over here hooking them up. I'm like, look at this guy. He says it one time.


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[Assistant] Do we sound, you sound silkier and smoother. And it is good to have the crutch of having the mic, cause it's like nice to touch something, hold something, whatever. I don't want to touch or hold you.


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[Assistant] You're the only podcast that can actually, like, have mics taken away because of, you know, bad, bad analogies or whatever.


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[Assistant] The snap count thing though, just to hit on that real quick, right? You're red four, red four. Oh, hold on, wait, wait. No, you wouldn't do it like that. You would not. But you'd have to have like a certain way. That is taught too, to like a certain way to ease into it. So like,


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[Assistant] You don't get that right tackle who's like all jumpy, right? Cause you always have a right guard or right tackle. It's ready to go. Woah, you just sounded louder. That wasn't the normal rhythm or whatever. And you're like, yeah, but I wasn't even


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[Assistant] What if you're into color number, color number set hut, right? So you do color number and now you're starting that next color number.


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[Assistant] And all the sudden Ray Lewis, Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are showing blitz, right? And you're like, Oh God, right. You're exactly what you're saying. Like, Oh God, they want to tackle me and I got to get us in the right play. So that's where you have to go. Okay. Red 85.


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[Assistant] Ready? Easy, easy, easy, easy, easy, easy, easy, easy. You have to go kind of walk over easy, easy. So then they know it's, we're restarting. I'm about to tell you a new play, calm down, and here we go. So that's another little, uh, tutelage that we're going to get to you with.


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[Assistant] Yeah, right, right. Easy, easy. Real smooth that way. Now, did I have other guys on the team after I said, you know, Blue 85 and they turn around and go, wait, what's the play? Or wait, what's the check or anything like that? Do you want to expose anyone? Do you want to expose anyone? I had a, I remember having a conversation with, um,


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[Assistant] My center, John Wade, playing the Ravens, oddly enough, this is always the one that jumps out to me. But we have two plays called in the huddle because we're Gruden and that's the way we do things, right?


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[Assistant] First play is getting called, you know, where I'm on, now I'm underneath the center, Blueity five, you know, he's making the check to what we're doing the first call. And then I go, wait, easy, easy, easy. Hey, check, check, check, check. I got to go to the other play, you know, and he's so deep into the first play.


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[Assistant] I believe it was a pass, I believe it was 200 Jets Smoke, right? Okay. And we had the perfect look for it.


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[Assistant] And Ray Lewis knew that that meant it was a pass and he rechecked out of their defense and got them into something, something there. Right. Right. And we ended up having to settle for a field goal in that drive.


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[Assistant] And I remember thinking like, man, that's the end I felt. That's how close it is. Like if he didn't ask me that, Ray's not gonna know we're gonna throw the ball right there. I think it was like a third and short or something like that.


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[Assistant] And we're going to have a great look. Maybe we score a touchdown, but now we leave four points off the board. And you know, that's just, that's life in football.


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[Assistant] No, I think I did say something to him, like, later the next week, like, man, we can't fucking do that again. Not with people like Ray Lewis listening, who might know, like, some of the language and know how to piece it together that way.


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[Assistant] I gotta go back over your list last week. There was one that I can't remember that jumped out to me to where I wanted to be. I think you're wrong on that one, but I know we'll see it.


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[Assistant] Mack Jones. That's right. The New England Patriots. Yes, for me, he is one of the 32 best quarterbacks in football. And yes, I have him as spot ahead of Jared Goff. I understand that. Yes, but I look at Mack Jones, as you heard me say throughout the whole draft. He's the most NFL pro ready quarterback to come out in the draft.


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[Assistant] He is. And one, I think he's tailor-made to play quarterback in the NFL anyways for his style and everything he does about his physical attributes, his ability to process and read coverages and do all of those things. You know, that's where I look at Mac Jones. Plus I don't look at him as a normal rookie, you know, to where, yeaah.


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[Assistant] I don't think he's as talented as Trevor Lawrence or Zach Wilson, right? Who we're gonna see later on in these rankings. But I do think as far as NFL ready is concerned,


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[Assistant] And a lot, yeaah, I think he is the most ready. And then when you talk about some of those attributes that people want to hate on all the time because he doesn't look that cool in a uniform, but they don't want to really look at the results for some reason. I mean, whether it's, you know, out of the rookie class, you could say most accurate passer. I could say best in the, best in the pocket.


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[Assistant] Working the pocket movement, all those things. Best decision maker.


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[Assistant] Best ability to quickly read and react and go through, you know, coverages and diagnosed plays that way. So from all those aspects, that's quarterback play in the NFL.


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[Assistant] And that's where I love Mac Jones. Yeah, can he make some of the plays that I think Zach Wilson or Trevor Lawrence can make? No, maybe not. But either way, I look at him from that standpoint to go, no, this is a little bit more than your normal rookie. And he played at Alabama, and a conversation I think you heard me say with my dad, I think maybe you, I don't know if you were here that day, it might have been Pauly B.


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[Assistant] You know, 17 games at Alabama is worth 17, more than 17 games at other places. It is.


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[Assistant] That schedule, who they play, how they're coached on a weekly basis, and then, of course, all the coaching that he got before that, before he ever played either, it makes you more pro ready than other places that are, that are there for, for college, you know, college football and the quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] There's something going on. This stuff doesn't come out of New England. This is not normal, right? This is not. And, you know...


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[Assistant] They're not one, they're not an organization to praise, you know, rookies anyways. You know, I think there's enough chatter already for people like Mike Reese to go wait, I'm seeing what I'm seeing and I'm hearing enough positive things behind the scenes to verify that I think I am seeing what I'm seeing here.


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[Assistant] About Mac Jones that I share is blown away. That was the thing that was, I was told by New England right off the bat. There.


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[Assistant] They don't make him look any nerdier than him. I'm sorry, that's the way it is.


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[Assistant] But the facts are, you know, don't judge a book by its cover. Haven't we all been taught that?


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[Assistant] Whoever you talk to, whether it's Alabama, and I know people at Alabama, and


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[Assistant] Whether you listen to the players and things like that. And then also I listen to the people I talk to in the pre-draft process.


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[Assistant] There's an edge about Mac Jones. This isn't just Johnny nerdy white guy. This is a guy that's like...


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[Assistant] His teammates love him. He's kind of like the practical joker. He's got a cool, coolness about him.


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[Assistant] No, and it sounds like he was a guy that they signed Cam and he was just like, okay, I guess Cam's a starter. I'll stop fighting against this. Just let him be the guy. And I just don't think you're going to get that kind of reaction from a Mac Jones. I don't. I don't think he's that type of guy. I don't. And you know, again, you're right.


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[Assistant] You know, all quarterbacks have been successful in the NFL. I mean, college come to the NFL, they have a charisma about them and certain things, but there are, hey, just like anything, arm strength, decision-making, some are better than others in those departments. And I've always been told that's a strength for Mack Jones. I don't expect him to be the starter there in New England.


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[Assistant] I think he's gonna be good enough to where if Cam did falter,


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[Assistant] That they'll have no problem bringing him off the bench to be the backup quarterback or the guy. I think he'll get far enough along in all areas. Uh, even like Mike Reese is talking about, knowing the offense and all of that stuff to where they'll feel comfortable. And to me, that's why they brought Brian Hoyer in.


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[Assistant] I really think, they got four quarterbacks right now. I think really Brian Hoyer's there to be the, the, hey.


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[Assistant] If things really get crazy, you got experience and you're here, but you're the third stringer to help Mac Jones be the backup. And I would think Jared Simms only being kept at this point for.


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[Assistant] Let's just make sure none of these other guys get hurt. And he will be on the street at some point as a free agent.


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[Assistant] I mean, I don't want to ever put anything out of the realm of Bill Belichick and what he might bring to the table. I don't view that as something that they would do. That's all I'll say. You know, I don't, just because


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[Assistant] And my experience working there or playing under Josh McDaniels in Denver and all that.


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[Assistant] New England's very into framing the quarterback. This is our team. This is the culture of our team this year. We're not going to have two alpha males dividing the locker room. Oh, I like the Cam Newton offense better. Oh, I like the Mac Jones offense. Do all that. I just don't think that's what Bill Belichick would do.


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[Assistant] So uhm, no, I think whoever starts is going to be the starter.


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[Assistant] Cam is going to grow within the offense too, uh, but Mac Jones will be ready to go. And if Cam does get hurt or something like that, then I don't think it'll be Brian Hoyer. I think you're gonna see Mac Jones.


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[Assistant] Successful NFL quarterback. Exactly. That's where I think it, again, I understand. I'm usually not the guy that likes the Matt Jones. But I'm going, I'm not judging books by covers. I'm not. I'm gonna look at what I see, results, what I see on the field, my studies. And none of that...


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[Assistant] Say, you know, what we're talking about is a guy that was helped by the system or the players or anything like that. And, you know, also,


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[Assistant] Hey listen, I love a quarterback that can run and do things like that. I'm more into quarterback stuff that can buy time and still carve you up with their right arm. That's what I like more.


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[Assistant] You know, it's one thing, and here's another thing. I think my dad brought it up a few weeks ago. You know, too much we get talked about with like the quarterback thing and go, ohhhhh.


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[Assistant] That was an awesome seven yard run. Wasn't it? Woo! What a seven yard run. And we talk about, see this is what this guy brings to the offense. See that seven yard run? See when things break down, but then I watch the film the next day and I go, yeah, that's seven yard run. There was a 70 yard bomb walk in touchdown that he didn't throw.


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[Assistant] Because the first guy wasn't open and he's his whole life gone, wait, I can run. So he runs and we just go, oh, that's cool. It was a cool 70 yard man. Look at that. But that, that would be the other aspect. I would challenge to that a little bit that we lose in translation or doesn't get quantified on stats. And last thing here before we go to the next quarterback or unless you want to bring something else up.


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[Assistant] I am annoyed about the double talk with Mac Jones. I mean, it's a double talk. You've heard me say this a little bit.


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[Assistant] When it was rumored he was going to be the 49ers pick, and I was the one out there, Mack Jones. Oh, well, it'll probably work because of the offense, because he'll have Shanahan. So that'll work. It'll work. It'll work. But now Trey Lance is there and nobody says that.


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[Assistant] It's all, he can buy a year and have him sit two years and nobody's cl- nobody's coming out going, well they'll just play him, he's got Shanahan. It should work. It should work.


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[Assistant] Instead, now I'm also hearing, well, Mac Jones is in the perfect place. He's in New England. That's the place for him. So all the people that hated against him in the pre-draft process,


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[Assistant] You know, I think anybody that listened to me through the process, I said I thought Mac Jones could be Drew Brees. I don't think he could be Tom Brady because I don't think his arm can ever be Brady. Again, you've heard me say that. Brady's arm is way better than people think. Way better.


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[Assistant] So that's where, but I still think it can be.


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[Assistant] Really high level quarterback play. You know, great decisions, great throws, precision passing, executing the offense perfectly, winning a lot of big football games. Like, yes, and being a top five quarterback in football, I think that's a ceiling for Mac Jones. I do.


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[Assistant] I would have a hard time thinking that. I would. You know, he's one of those guys too that, okay, here's the floor, right? He asked about the ceiling. The floor is like, okay, maybe he's...


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[Assistant] A better version of Andy Dalton or something like that. A guy that, you know, that's as bad as it's gonna get to me. Low level starter who's an unreal backup. That's as bad as it can get.


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[Assistant] You know, and like, oh, he has a 12 year career doing that. But, so yes, I see some Brady-ish. I see more of a Breeze-ish. And hopefully New England gets more than one Super Bowl out of that, but you know what I mean.


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[Assistant] One spot higher, only because of experience a little bit, I'm holding that in regard, and that's Andy Dalton. Yes, and I did not mean to make that segue before, I'm not that talented, I just brought that up. But, uh, yes, Andy Dalton, Chicago Bears, here pictured on the podcast, if you're watching in the Dallas Cowboy uniform. Andy Dalton, undervalued,


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[Assistant] Physical ability is how I'd like to make the first thing there, just with him.


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[Assistant] Not that he's gonna wow you, or anything like that. But I don't know if we always give Andy Dalton quite the credit we deserve for, yes, he can make all the throws. He can. And he can make power throws too. Throw's a pretty good deep ball. He's a better athlete than we give him credit for.


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[Assistant] You know, not that again, he's going to turn the corner and run 30 yard gains, but he can move around the pocket and scramble for a 10 yard game when he needs to. You know, those things are what he does, let alone consistency, knowing how to play the game and, you know,


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[Assistant] Where I would go, there's the game manager talk, right, with some quarterbacks. He's a little bit more than a game manager to me. So like, you know, we talked about Teddy Bridgewater where I always use the phrase like, you know, not going to lose you games, but not going to win you games either. Andy Dalton for the most part is a not going to lose you games.


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[Assistant] But I do think there's a little bit more of an aspect of can win you a game and not that it's gonna like blow you away. I just mean he can make a few more throws in a game with his right arm to swing the pendulum into his team's favor maybe than some of the other guys that are similar to him on this top 40 list. And that's where, you know, I like Andy Dalton.


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[Assistant] I know. Well, it shows you, I think one, Dak is better than what everybody wanted to give him credit for. Dak can make the weapons and the offense really reach its potential, I guess is what I would say.


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[Assistant] You might that type of offense as we're seeing there. And again, we can't always go by the stats too, because they change the way they play a little too, right? Because they're going, wait, we can't just put as much on this guy's shoulders as we did Dak and expect them to carry the team and do that. He's not as talented.


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[Assistant] So that changes it either way, but yeaah, he wasn't capable of making some of those big time explosive throws at Dak Prescott. You can say what you want about Dak Prescott. His arms big time.


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[Assistant] He, he, his, he makes a ton of explosive plays by standing in the pocket and making big throws down the field, let alone his size and things like that help him stand in the pocket to let those plays develop more down the field than an Andy Dalton too. So, you know, a lot of good things, but yes, he's your guy here where,


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[Assistant] He's 29, cause of experience, played the game, he's pretty consistent, but like some other guys we've talked on the list, it's like...


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[Assistant] Well, I like him, but I think we can do better. I think, and that's where he is. He's a low level starter slash really high end backup quarterback.


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[Assistant] And, you know, yes, even though I have 29 and spots ahead, what, 8 spots ahead of Justin Fields, I would expect Justin Fields to close the gap.


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[Assistant] As far as, you know, experience, knowing how to play and doing those things to get it close enough to where, yes, he does take over at some point during the year because there is more potential and more high end play to be had if Justin Fields reaches his potential as compared to Andy Dalton.


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[Assistant] I do, I have a package for Justin Fields Ready, Week 1.


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[Assistant] I mean, again, we know what Andy Dalton is, and we don't think the Bears are not going to the Super Bowl this year. We know they're not.


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[Assistant] I know, but I'm not ready to go Super Bowl. I think it's more about the big picture of 2022 and what you can do from the, you know, from there on out with Justin Fields is really what you want to do. But if I'm the Bears, I definitely have a package for Justin Fields in week one.


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[Assistant] Week two, week three, week four, whatever. He's gonna be, I'm gonna put him in the game. We're gonna get him experience. And I said it, I think I said this today on PFT, Amin, you know, like,


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[Assistant] Alright, hey, first drive of the game. Bears got the ball, Andy Dalton goes down. They kick a field goal, great. Nine play drive, 76 yards, good drive, great. Alright, next play, next drive. Andy Dalton's still out there. Oh, they, you know, they get a first down, and then they go three and out. So six play drive, they punted, ba ba ba.


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[Assistant] Oh, okay, it's still 3-nothin' or it's 3-3 or whatever.


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[Assistant] Hey, let's put Justin Fields into our series here. They're not ready for these quarterback runs we got to sign and all those. Let's bring a few of those in. Do that. Oh, and we got like two or three passes that he's real comfortable with that we've skeined up that we know are going to be real easy for him against this defense and things like that. Oh, he scored a touchdown? Well, maybe we keep him in another drive.


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[Assistant] Oh, and, you know, three and out? Okay, we punt, we bring Andy Dalton in. I just feel like we could see that. And if you can show growth in those departments...


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[Assistant] And you get to week three or week four and now he's had a number of games and had some moments where he stayed on the field a few series in a row cause of success. Then I think you just go, come on, we, we, we know the situation here. Pick number 11 stud.


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[Assistant] 29th quarterback in Chris Simpson's quarterback rankings. We know what he is. He can't really go much higher, even if he does reach his potential. That's just not what he is. Let's move on to the Justin Fields era.


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna lie, I did too. I thought I was gonna see a little bit more of a difference there.


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[Assistant] No, no, exactly right. I mean listen, it proves that obviously he's been playing at a pretty consistent level.


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[Assistant] You know, he won a lot of games with the Cincinnati Bengals, went to the playoffs, all those things are, they're real, all of that too. You know, I could also sit here just with Andy Dalton for that sake too, like, you know, we always talk about, you know, yards left on the field, what's there to be had, did you take full advantage of everything you had there, right?


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[Assistant] You know, that's something I could fight back with Andy Dalton too. Yea, with the five different playoff appearances, but I also go, well, I think there's some other quarterbacks we could have put on that team in those years and they would have won one of those playoff games. There's things like that too. They were more talented than losing five years in a row, you know, and there's something about


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[Assistant] The leadership, the attitude or something that doesn't quite wear off on the rest of the team when Andy Dalton is the quarterback as it does other guys. You know, and I do, and when I, when we get into nitpicking stuff, that's what I do give, you know, the advantages to some guys, leadership, presence, those types of things.


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[Assistant] It, it, it, it is when you put it in that aspect, but I think if we sat there and I showed you some film with Tua and Drew Lock last year, you'd go, well,


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[Assistant] That's a little scary. I don't know if I want to make that guy off, take him off. Sure. Because what I've told everybody too, again, this is about this year, this year only, this is basically my 40 man depth chart. It's, it's my team. We all got the same offensive linemen, the receivers, everything like that. So like to what you're saying, I get it. You're right. There's more high end there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, at least to start, to get everything going off in the right direction to where you don't maybe have to game plan everything to babysit the quarterback so he can grow and do all that stuff too. Again, I understand all those people you talked about and everything, the potential is greater. You know, that's why,


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[Assistant] Hey, this is part of my business. This is what I do early in June.


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[Assistant] By the end of August, I could be sitting here telling you, no, I think you should go with Justin Fields. I've seen enough preseason football that yeah, it's not perfect. It might not be as consistent as Jared, uh, as Andy Dalton, but it's still consistent enough. And then what he brings to the table as far as, you know, you know,


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[Assistant] Big time playmaking ability or schematical changes to what he does there.


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[Assistant] Makes up for the consistency or, you know, the experience and all those type of things. But as I sit here right now with a guy, like those guys, and you know my questions about some of those guys, yeaah, I gotta put Andy Dalton in front of them right now.


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[Assistant] Lawrence, that's right. Oh baby, look at that. There's me with my long hair and Trevor Lawrence. You tricky tricksters, you. Man, look at that. There's the man, the stud. I mean, the franchise. What do you want me to say about Trevor Lawrence? I mean, I'm a huge fan. I know people think I'm a hater because I put Zach Wilson in front of him.


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[Assistant] But man, Trevor Lawrence? Come on! What can't he do on a football field?


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm pumped. You know, we talk about, you know, like,


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[Assistant] He brings to me everything to the table. You know, the, the things that we talked about first off on the field. Yeah, we know skills for days. Big can run.


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[Assistant] You know, can scramble. It's different than running. Running is like, oh, I kept the ball on the read option off the left edge. Scramming is like, wait, I, the pockets close it, closing down. I got to dance around and then escape and get out. He can do that. Throws the ball well on the run. Can throw under pressure.


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[Assistant] Has a big time arm that has room for improvement. As you've heard me say throughout the process, mechanically to improve his power, any of those type of things. There's room to grow there. You know, in a lot of ways I like that.


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[Assistant] And then, like what we talked about, like maybe things that like Andy Dahl and then Jared Goff lack and things like that. Trevor Lawrence does not lack any of those. He walks on the field and you go,


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[Assistant] That is a man. Yeah, I mean, Trevor Lawrence, uhm, I think he brings everything to the table as far as what you want from a starting quarterback in the NFL. From every facet.


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[Assistant] I really do and I think that's the exciting thing about him. Yes, I know. I think Zach Wilson had a little more talent and I'm more excited about that, but man, I'm still excited about Trevor Lawrence.


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[Assistant] You know, he's just, there's, there's nothing not to like about his game. And, you know, even within my worries a little bit about some of the mechanical things and the, you know, we talked about in the draft process about a few throws you'd go, man, he shouldn't miss that and all that.


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[Assistant] Just in some of the clips, I've seen just a Jacksonville already. I do, it does look like he's already tightened things up a little bit with his mechanics and there's a thought process and something going on there which is encouraging.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's hard. It's the hardest thing for a rookie quarterback. Red zone offense for a young quarterback in general. You know, it's, first off, you're getting used to the NFL where everything's quicker. Then you get in the red zone and the field feels like you're like, am I on a peewee football field? The Giants here? Like there's nowhere, where do you throw the football?


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[Assistant] The defense only has to think about going forward. There's nothing behind them to worry about.


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[Assistant] So they're always in a position to explode going forward and react and make things tighter that way.


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[Assistant] You're going to be more safe with throws down there too, which can lead to, oh, maybe at the 50 yard line, that would have been complete and you would have put it here, but you don't want to throw an interception in the red zone. So you put it in a really safe spot.


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[Assistant] Oh, let me throw it high and outside just in case my guy misses it. It goes out of bounds. It doesn't pop in the air and become an interception that way, whatever it may be. And that can lead to it too. So I don't read too much into that. And I think we'll probably hear more of that as we go. Also too, like with stuff like that too.


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[Assistant] When it's seven on seven and it's red zone, the defense knows you're going to throw the ball every play. You know, when they have the thought of the run, that makes things easier too, which will make life easier on a Trevor Lawrence.


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[Assistant] I'll say like, I don't, you know, I heard like Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck, right? I don't know if I was willing to go quite there right yet.


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[Assistant] But like, I think there's the potential to be that kind of guy. I do. Just like I say, Zach Wilson has a chance to be Rogers in my homes. Yeah, Trevor Lawrence has a chance to, to be.


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[Assistant] A new age Peyton Manning or an Andrew Luck that way. You know, Peyton Manning, but it's evolution. It's 23 years later and he's a little faster and things like that, right? I mean, that's almost how I look at him. In a lot of ways he has a similar throwing motion too to the, to the Mannings that way. Uh, I, the sky's the limit.


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[Assistant] And I think the awesome thing with Trevor Lawrence is like the, the best thing, how we talked about like other quarterbacks on their floor. Like to me, the floor with Trevor Lawrence is like, oh,


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[Assistant] He's only been like the 15th or 16th best quarterback in football for the 12th year in a row. He never really got to be that top 5 guy, but as bad as it got, it was like, he was still a good starting quarterback for a long time. And maybe he won a Super Bowl. So that's the great thing about Trevor Lawrence.


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[Assistant] Such a safe pick, he's certainly safer than Zach Wilson. I recognize that and see that.


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[Assistant] Uh, I had my conversations with my dad during the draft process about this a lot. Cause he was like, I think if I'm a GM, I'm taking Trevor. He goes, but I'm a little bit of a chicken that way and conservative. I don't, I don't, I don't.


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[Assistant] I don't want to do that. You know, I was obviously opposite of that, but I like Trevor a lot.


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[Assistant] Yes, that's right. Oh baby, there's me and Zack. Oh wait, haters, get away from me, woo! I like that one, that was cool. Yes, you know, I'm all in on Zack Wilson.


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[Assistant] He's my guy. I love him. Of course, I love Trevor Lawrence, as I just discussed, but Zach Wilson, he's just got an appeal to my eye that the other quarterbacks did not have in this draft. You know, first off, I think his, his talents are special. You know that. I think his throwing is out of this world special.


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[Assistant] I mean, again, I don't think anybody's really gonna doubt that anymore. I think he put that to rest after his pro day where it's like people kinda wanted to fight against it, but then they saw that and they were like, okay, that's really good. Like people like Trevor Lawrence sending out an Instagram message going sheesh.


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[Assistant] Like, which I respect out of Trevor Lawrence. Like basically going like, whoa, I'm awesome, but that was freaking awesome. Like that's cool. And that's where I think Zach Wilson is. I think he's one of those guys. The more you, if you talk to people who have seen him in person, it's always that they, oh, oh, I, yeah, I saw him in person. Oh.


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[Assistant] He's a little faster. Oh, he's a little more explosive. Oh, his arm, dude, the ball explodes. That's what you hear after you hear from people. He's not a giant, too, but he's bigger than you think. He's bigger than you think, right? Exactly right. He's not a giant. You know, he's Aaron Rodgers type quarterback. That size. It's 6'2", it's 2'15", 2'20", right around there.


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[Assistant] You know, incredible athlete can really run as far as like, you know, in the pocket. I told you before, I thought Mack Jones was probably the best in the pocket quarterback in the draft. I think this guy's second.


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[Assistant] He's capable of doing more and exceeding expectations as far as getting out of like crazy situations with his feet and making things happen. Let alone what makes him even more dangerous in those situations than a Mac Jones is of course, sometimes he doesn't even need to get out of those situations. He just goes, oh wait, I'm stuck, I'm in a bad spot.


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[Assistant] I don't need to scramble. 30 yard laser sidearm. Oh, I got it. Oh, yeah. Yo, Mack and you guys, you guys had to get out of that. I didn't. I could just stand there and still throw it. I didn't matter. You know, those are things again that you can't quantify on a stat sheet or do anything like that.


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[Assistant] You know, Oh, I didn't see him throw under pressure. Well, he stood on his back foot and threw a 40 yard laser before the pressure got there and it didn't get there. So he didn't have to, but he was ready for it.


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[Assistant] And, you know, there's all those things, but I love Zach Wilson's talent. I like his moxie.


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[Assistant] I do. And the fact that he's had a fight over some things in college football and all that, I think are all gonna be good for him. But yeaah, I think him in the NFL, you've heard me say it, he's got Rogers Mahomes-ish type qualities to me that really pop out. And I think it's a perfect marriage with the Jets and I'm really excited about Zach Wilson.


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[Assistant] It's hard, it's hard to have that debate, right? It's hard to have that debate, that's right. You know, it's just, you do your best to evaluate. Both are awesome. It doesn't matter.


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[Assistant] I don't care. I mean, if we switch it around, I don't think the results are gonna be a lot different on either side. I think it's gonna be about what we saw. I do. And, you know, of course, yeaah, there's the BYU aspect and all that. I understand that. It's a real thing. I get it. But, you know, again, it's not an end-all be-all. And I think the other thing I would just say to that, you know, again,


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[Assistant] I have no doubt that last year's film was, Zach Wilson won that battle of the 2020 film versus the 2020 film of Trevor Lawrence. Zach Wilson was better last year. I feel very confident in saying that. Now, Trevor Lawrence had to deal with COVID and a few things too, I get that. You know, career wise, we know.


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[Assistant] It's Trevor Lawrence. He's the guy. Did it for three years under the spotlight. It's a big situations and all those type of things. And that's where people varied, I think, in their evaluations of the two guys.


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[Assistant] One more put like in the stock of what I see right now and this guy and others looked at like, oh, what he is as a totality and where I think he's going to be and all of those things. That was Trevor Lawrence and kind of whatever one you seem to favor seem to be.


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[Assistant] The ones I talked to in the NFL was like who they had as their number one quarterback.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, that was one of my big talking. That's what we talked about, Kelvin Mon last week on the podcast. And that was one of my big things. You know, I don't understand it either. It goes back to our conversation we had at the start of the podcast. For some reason, some people get this excuse and this one doesn't. I'm giving this guy this excuse. This other guy has that same excuse, but I'm not going to let him have it. I don't know.


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[Assistant] Uh, either way, I think two of these, both of these guys, I think both went to a place where the systems fit them. They've gone all in on them as their quarterbacks to support them with players and things like that. And not that I expect like,


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[Assistant] Eye popping amazing rookie years, but I think it's going to be, I think that I would be shocked if both didn't have good years where we came away and went, there's some growth and I like what they're doing here.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, I mean, I'm excited about what the Jets have done with Corey Davis and, you know, getting Michael Carter, of course, in the draft and doing all that. Uh, but still, I guess-


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[Assistant] They're both their offensive lines are nothing special. I think Jacksonville's old lines may be a little further along than the, the Jets. Jets have better tight ends. I do think that the, yes, the,


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[Assistant] The Jaguars have the better wide receiving core right now. I think when you just look in, first off, DJ Chark is a borderline star at receiver. He's a definite number one really good. Loviska Shinault does a really good job. He's better than I thought he was going to be. Getting Marvin Jones.


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[Assistant] You know, I think I look at those three, that's a pretty good three, let alone what you're talking about with the two running backs.


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[Assistant] The Jets, there's potential for them to be better. I just don't know if I can call it right now with Corey Davis and oh Denzel Mims who is going to be in the second year but was hurt a little last year and Elijah Moore they draft in the second round and Michael Carter the fourth round. It's just like I need to see a little bit of like Jacksonville has a few more proven commodities for me right now.


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[Assistant] They're, they're, they do, they're doing the right things with him, Elijah Vera Tucker, uh, I'm missing somebody else. They did a pretty good job, I thought, in free agency too. Uh, here, I got it in front of me. Uh, just with some roundabout guys. Oh, it wasn't free agency. I think I'm thinking of free agency two years ago. Uhm, but-


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[Assistant] No, it's okay, I still should have a pretty good idea. But the jets, I think, are in a pretty good spot. Like, both, it's very similar. You know, the


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[Assistant] Mackay Beckton, I love that. The Jaguars have one tackle who's pretty good, who they've franchised, and, and, uh, Cam Robinson, but then they have another one that's unproven at this point. And the Jets are kind of in that, uh, Joann Taylor, right, who's the second round pick. Thank you, Pete.


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[Assistant] The Jets, George Fan at right tackle, who was pretty good last year doing that, uh, I'm missing somebody else on their roster that I kinda like, but either way, they're right, they're right down the middle, the bottom middle as far as offensive lines are concerned.


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[Assistant] Yeah, mid-pack, I think, and the thing that jumped out to me about the jets is, uhm,


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[Assistant] It's not the worst, okay. I mean, it's not the worst. Patriots, at Broncos, Titans, I mean, yeaah, they're gonna be the underdog in those three games.


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[Assistant] Falcons, okay. Back with the Patriots. Alright, so there's that. Do you have Jacksonville's handy, Kristen? Just so I can look at that.


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[Assistant] I guess I like that layout of that schedule a little bit better. What do you mean?


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[Assistant] I mean, it's not a whole lot easier, but okay, I guess if you're gonna make me pick one right now, I'll go Jacksonville.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Daniel Jones, I mean, again, it's a huge year. We know that. This is, this is a make or break year for Daniel Jones and his career really. I think if he wants to continue to be the unchallenged starting quarterback for the New York Giants.


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[Assistant] You know, again, he's got all the skills and attributes to be.


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[Assistant] A really good franchise quarterback, but it's, it's gotta come together and they gotta help him bring it together. That's the other thing I'll say with Daniel Jones too. I mean, come on, hey, it's, it's year three.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, he's finally got a same coordinator. So that's, that's nice that he has that. They've put some weapons around him. They've built their offensive line there with the Giants. So he should feel better that way and everything like that. So, you know, I, I don't know. I don't necessarily like to say the make or break your type of thing and make that type of statement.


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[Assistant] But this is a big of a year three as I feel like for a quarterback as I can remember. Because I just feel like people here in New York are questioning it. There was a question already like you talked about when you got picked at number six three years ago in the NFL Draft.


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[Assistant] I was one that, yes, did not think he was worthy of that draft pick. But here, when you break down Daniel Jones and why I say like, the potential's there. The guy has all the tools to be really, really damn good and do some special things and lead the Giants. He's an elite passer. I mean, you know, no matter what type of throw you want to talk about,


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[Assistant] His, his ability to throw the ball with power or touch or off his back foot and people are gonna hit him and he has to throw the ball touch or a medium banana ball over the linebacker but get it down over the, you know, underneath the safety and a deep crossing route. He can make every throw. He's got every...


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[Assistant] Club in the bag, uh, uh, Ahmed. He has that. You've seen him run.


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[Assistant] His athleticism's real. I mean, he was second on their team in rushing last year.


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[Assistant] He fell down on that 180 yard run that I'd go, most quarterbacks couldn't have got that far to fall. But either way, you're right, he fell. But it's a real thing with his game. Now to me, and like, why he's here where he is,


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[Assistant] Maybe, yeaah, it's just the way the year fell out, fell out, he dropped out, a few other guys played better last year, they rose up, he was, of course, was hurt at the end of the year, you know, it was inconsistent at times, and I don't put that all on him, but where I will put it all on him is like, it has to come together this year as far as just, you know,


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[Assistant] Maybe limiting some of the bonehead interception plays and being a little bit less of that, you've heard me say this in the past, that robot or that statue in the pocket.


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[Assistant] You know, to utilize that athleticism. Damn, you can keep the ball and all these quarterback design runs and do all these types of things. You need to be able to scramble and move and do those types of things too.


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[Assistant] That to me would be like the next big, you know, piece of the puzzle. Pocket presence, getting out of the pocket, making plays off schedule, and doing it that way. Not playing within the pocket so much, I think is almost a bad thing for him to a degree. He needs to get a little bit of a quicker of an alarm clock.


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[Assistant] Yeah, maybe, but what I would tell you to that is those last three starts he was injured and they had to play a certain way where he might not even should have been out there. I mean, if you remember correctly, I think he had what, the hamstring issue or something like that to where he wasn't himself at the end of the year. He was not.


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[Assistant] Which also could have led to less aggressive play calling and things like that too to limit some of those things you're talking about. But it's either way, it's got to improve. It does. You know, one, it all goes back to the pocket thing. It's all about the pocket conversation. I think of both areas as I think about this, right?


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[Assistant] The fumbles happen because he sits in the freaking pocket too long. He tries to do what the coach says and oh I'm gonna stay here and go through the reads and do that. Get the hell out.


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[Assistant] Let's go. One, two, three. Okay, he's not there. We gotta move. We gotta make a move. We gotta step up in the pocket, look for scrambling reins, try to get out, do something like that. That to me is the first problem. Too many fumbles that way. Like I think of like, you know, even the, what was it, the Cardinals game where he had the one return for the touchdown to me, he was oblivious to the guy.


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[Assistant] Coming around to him and taking the ball out of his hand. I believe it was Sasan Rick who stripped it, but maybe I'm wrong.


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[Assistant] Again, I love that he's so tough and he looks down the field. I'm actually gonna say, no, look at the rush, just a little bit more. Look, just a little. The great quarterbacks are looking at the rush now. That's, that's over. I'm just telling you. You know where he's going, eyes down field, eyes down field.


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[Assistant] Mahomes and Rogers and Josh Allen don't have three eyes behind their head. They're looking at the rush from time to time because they're gauging it.


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[Assistant] Nobody's open. Let me see where the rush is. Am I okay? Let me look one more time. Is Stefan Diggs there? Oh no, he's not. Let me make sure I'm not going to get hit again. Let me look back up. You know what I mean? That's part of the NFL now. That's where the level of play has gone.


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[Assistant] So it's different than, you know, my era, my dad's era, and like, you know, old Peyton Manning got to stand in there and just look down field and get crushed. It's different. It's a different game. So that to me, the fumble department, I think it's the same thing in the interception department too, at times.


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[Assistant] Where I wanna go. You know, you, you made that throw because...


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[Assistant] Okay, you went to one, he wasn't open. You went to two, he wasn't open. And now the pocket's collapsing in three and he's not really open, but you don't want to take the sack. And, and it's like, oh, let me just try to fit it in there. And that to me was a lot number of his interceptions too.


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[Assistant] Was that aspect too to where that again, I want to just go, no, if you got out of the pocket and bought some time, maybe you could see something a little more clearly and you wouldn't be worried about, oh, it's collapsing. I got to make a decision. I got to do that. Uh, I think that's his biggest problem to his game.


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[Assistant] Eyes too focused downfield, oblivious to what's around, and it just can't be that way. Same type of thing though, there's no doubt about that.


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[Assistant] That, that, this is, this is, this is everything you just heard me talk about. I had no idea you had this video or anything like this, but this is what I mean.


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[Assistant] Like no, that's where, this is what I'm talking about. One, oh, he's not open? Move? Let me get another lane? Okay, let me check. He's athletic enough and big enough to do all these type of things, let alone he's still smart enough too to be able to like, hey, look at the coverage, let me just take a


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[Assistant] Lady 80s, early 90s, we wouldn't be talking about any of this. Sorry, the game's changed in the last 30 years. If you would have seen him moving his feet like that, where would you put him on your list? 15? Well, he has the potential to be a top 15 quarterback. He does. Everything he does.


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[Assistant] It's, it's there, but now it's, it's, you know, hey, them helping him like I talked about him being another year in the offense and now just really putting it together.


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[Assistant] Uh, that, that's gonna be the thing. And let's not forget about last year too. Offensive line issues, new offensive coordinator, Saquon Berkley got hurt early in the year. You know, Evan Ingram couldn't catch the freaking ball. You know, there, there's some things too that have gone against Daniel Jones that were out of his control. And I don't think we can forget that if we're gonna be fair.


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[Assistant] You did a good job today though, man. We got through those, right? So now we have- You're better with the mic.


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[Assistant] Right on the edge. Uh, as I told you before the po- I told Omid before the podcast, cause uhm,


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[Assistant] He was bringing up Gardner Mentsch here and I just said, yeah, he was, he was a tough one.


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[Assistant] Three spots, my last three spots left and I had a list of like five or six quarterbacks that I thought were worthy of those last three spots and I left him off. I did, yeaah. You know, again, Gardner Minshew is, he's a little bit falls into that category of like, you know, Case Keenum.


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[Assistant] Uh, Teddy Bridgewater to a degree. I think there's a little bit more of a playmaking ability maybe than Teddy Bridgewater. I'll say that. But yeaah, it's still early in his career. I need to see more and there's been some guys who've rose and some talented guys that have come into the draft, I mean through the draft obviously.


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[Assistant] He could be in the top 40 for, for years to come as a really high level backup or something like that. Either way, he's dancing right around it.


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[Assistant] No, he's not, and uh, I'm not sitting here like proud to say it, I didn't do it to create any headlines, but yeaah, I, the way I look at it, I don't think he's as good as any of these 40 guys I got here. Again, you know, I understand his running, it's, it's, it's good.


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[Assistant] Throwing, I still have major concerns about. And I can show you tons of throws on films and just go, listen, this is not acceptable in the NFL, some of these throws. So, yeaah, there's a lot more I gotta see from that aspect. Uh, and yeaah, I look at Jalen Hurst as kind of a, still a, a project.


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[Assistant] And a starting quarterback a little bit, I don't, I don't mean this to be disrespectful, but by default because of a weird situation in Philadelphia, not necessarily that he like,


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[Assistant] You know, for lack of a better way to say it, check his ego at the door. You know, a little bit. Yeah. I don't, I don't think your stats will be the same there as maybe some other places. Cam Newton is going to be the quarterback.


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[Assistant] Right? I expect them to be at least. Maybe they will be in year two if Mack Jones takes over and the offense changes a little bit. But that's where, you know, are you gonna really sacrifice winning? And...


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[Assistant] I have a hard time thinking Bill New England would trade a number one pick for Julio. I do.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they have, I still think they're still in decent money, but I think the, you know, there's teams interested, I think everybody's still trying to figure out how to go about this trade exactly, all of those type of things.


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[Assistant] I know, I know, but see that was just the perfect storm, right?


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[Assistant] They were like, whoa, that was Brady's last year in New England.


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[Assistant] If you remember, I believe there were 9-0 at that time, but we were talking about, is this the greatest defense since the 85 Bears? Do you remember that? Right? It was that whole thing. The offense can't do anything.


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[Assistant] They're the best team in football and there was like four teams that were looking for a receiver. The 49ers are one of them. There was a few other teams. So they got the perfect like Atlanta bidding war of teams being in a desperate situation for that type of player.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the trade sucked. I mean, it didn't, it was horrible if you look at it, but that's what happened. Right now, that's what we don't have with Julio. Like, maybe the Atlanta can get a first-rounder if they can get a lot of teams back into the conversation of bidding for him.


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[Assistant] But I think if it's one or just two teams, I do think ultimately it'd be a second rounder.


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[Assistant] How much does Julio value just winning and being like on that pep team? And is he gonna ask for another contract?


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[Assistant] Cause that is, that to me, like, no way he's going to New England. If New England hears that, like, he wants a new contract in two years, no way he's, the bill's gonna be like, oh yeaah, I wanna deal with that.


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[Assistant] You got something? And what are you wearing? Four t-shirts underneath there? You can't really tell in that color. You shouldn't have said. I couldn't tell. Lift your arms up again now.


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[Assistant] You know, probably all of them. No, I'm not. Nagy, Nagy seems like he'd be a pretty tough guy. I will say that. Nagy does seem tough. Dalton though, I think he's a liability. So that's where that went. I hear you. I guess...


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[Assistant] I can't argue that. I think Russell would be a handful. You know, he's athletic, he's stout, small.


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[Assistant] He's got some real power, like he's got thick legs, he's got thick shoulders and back. I mean, he's, he's strong, but yes, Pete's the oldest coach in football.


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[Assistant] Man, Shanahan's in third? You put him in third in the NFC West, huh? I like it. I like it. Yea, that's true. That's it. Yes, you did.


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[Assistant] And he's got an injury history. He's got an injury history. Right. You know, he could get in that ring in a Royal Rumble fashion and be down and it's just Kyle by himself. Have you ever seen Kyle fight? No, but Kyle's unafraid. I'll say that much. I really will.


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[Assistant] Here's a funny story with Kyle, alright? I don't think this will get him in trouble or anything like that. This won't. This is college.


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[Assistant] He was always great at defending me, cause I always had people, like, you Yankee, you f***ing Yankee, go back to the north. To this day, to this day, this happens to me. But it was a thing with Texas, too, to where I almost got it with it in Twitter, uh, actually, this weekend, cause somebody from Texas was like, you know, I don't know why people judge them so harshly here down here, and I wonder, well, maybe it was that.


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[Assistant] Maybe it was that aspect. Or people reminded me that I was white because I was wearing Timberland boots. Like those type of things. But I was out one night, I don't know why, Kyle had like a ton of change in his pocket. And we were walking down the street


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[Assistant] And somebody was heckling me and kind of like fake stepped up and like got in our way as we were about, and I remember he like took out the, he had like this huge thing of change and just threw it right at the guy's face. And I was like, yes, that was awesome. And then I don't know what happened.


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[Assistant] No, a few seconds later, I think the guy said something else and then my friend from New Jersey punched him in the face. Right. So that's how that went down. It wasn't usually good for the hecklers when my Jersey friends were there.


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[Assistant] He's probably 240 or 50 now, but he's a big guy. I've only seen them from a distance at like the combine two years ago before the pandemic or anything like that, but definitely a big guy.


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[Assistant] And uh, he's got that like, you know, that Irish, his cousin is Mike McGlinchey, so he's gotta have part Rockhead, okay? He went to school in Boston and he grew up in Philadelphia. He can't be the softest guy in the world. I think those two things alone will let me say, okay, he might be able to hang in there.


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[Assistant] Maybe, maybe, I'm not gonna like argue too much with the other ones. I mean, the Atlanta one was interesting that we just talked about. This one too, just because like, Hertz is different than your normal quarterback.


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[Assistant] No, but I'm gonna say he's like 6'1 or 2, right around 220, but more of like, not the quarterback that's built 6'2, 220, but more of the running back type that way. Is that what he is?


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[Assistant] Sam's solid. Sam's got a big squared cinder block head. Alright, he could definitely take a punch for sure. Not gonna be phased. Uh, Ruhl, yeah. Ruhl's got some, some attitude about him. A hundred percent attitude. For sure. So I'm with you there. I could see them being, you know, scrappy.