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[Assistant] Thirteen, ten, and let's just say even if, you know,


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[Assistant] Talent drops to number 10. You think the New York Jets are gonna train with you to help you out to try to find that wide receiver to replace that bond digs? I just think it's gonna be really difficult.


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[Assistant] for them to kind of land on their feet here, especially at this point in the off season. It's kind of a weird zone because you do have the draft ahead of you, but you're not really in the best position to get one of those stars and free agency has already come and gone.


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[Assistant] I mean, I guess there's the Tyler Boyd route, there's the Odell Beckham Jr. route. There are some veterans still available, but certainly none to the level of Stephon Diggs. And I think that it would be a fool's errand to say at this point, as you kind of are mentioning, to try to replace Stephon Diggs with one player. It's not really going to be like that.


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[Assistant] I'm not even really talking about Stefan Diggs. I'm talking about remaking their entire wide receiver room. Davis is gone. You have Diggs now traded. It just feels like there's not a lot there.


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[Assistant] Those are going to be really difficult offenses to keep pace with when really right now your top receiver is a tight act.


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[Assistant] I think that you make a good point there with the wide receivers that could be available via trade. Cincinnati would be tough because it's in the conference, they're still contending.


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[Assistant] Gabe Davis, number two at 31. The next closest is Cole Beasley with 12 touchdowns. So the majority of his production as a passer.


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[Assistant] Has gone to those two wide receivers who are now out the window. All right. We covered what this means for Buffalo. Now let's take a quick break. And when we get back, we'll talk about what this means for the Houston, Texas.


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[Assistant] So again, we covered what this means for Buffalo and it kind of feels like they're in an awkward stage in their championship window of sorts. Now we look to the Houston Texans who are kicking that door completely open in terms of championship window.


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[Assistant] And they're doing exactly what I think that they should be doing at this point. They hit a home run with CJ Stroud at the draft at number two overall last year. Wins offensive rookie of the year.


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[Assistant] Looks like the next best thing in terms of bright young quarterbacks in the NFL. And what do you do when you have a bright young quarterback on a rookie deal? You do everything humanly possible to surround him with talent no matter the price because you're getting him.


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[Assistant] at such a bargain. So Stefan Diggs certainly doesn't come cheap. He's 30. He's going to be kind of in the twilight of his career, but I ultimately think that this is a home run move for this franchise. What do you think?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, you know, you look around the league and you try to, you know, when you look at these trios of wide receivers, there's a chance here.


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[Assistant] That this could be one of the best if not the best. I mean, before he went down with injury, Tank Dell was like a fantasy football darling. He was just an absolute beast. It was part of this wave that the Texans have brought on in that draft a year ago. You talk about Stroud, you talk about Tank Dell, you talk about Will Anderson, and this has really been


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[Assistant] And now you go into this off season, you acquire digs most recently, but you go out and acquire Joe Mixon via trade. You get to Neil Hunter, just you go down the list of what they've been able to do.


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[Assistant] I think that they're the favorites in that division, certainly against the Jaguars. And I, you know, you know that once we get the training camp and once we start talking about season long futures, they're going to be the sexy team to win the Super Bowl. I don't think that there's really any doubt about that.


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[Assistant] And you look at what they've been able to do over the last couple of years here in terms of, you know, under Nick Isario being able to draft and develop. You know, I think we're looking at it this year too. You know, they have, they still have the number 42 overall pick in the second round and they also have another second round, number 59 as well.


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[Assistant] It's not, you know, cause I think people will say, oh, they lost their second round pick this year. No, no, no. That's in 2025. This deal doesn't really impact them too, too much in the 2024 NFL draft. I think the only pick that's going to them this year is a sixth round pick that's going, oh, I'm sorry. They acquire a sixth round pick. So again, you know, it doesn't really matter to them as well.


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[Assistant] What do you think that their needs are now? Cause we're talking about them loading up at wide receiver. They've obviously made moves for Daniel Hunter. They fixed the backfield with Joe Mixon at that number 42 spot. And even if you want to talk about both those picks in the second round, what is something that Houston should be looking at on day two there as they start to their NFL draft?


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[Assistant] And we talk a lot about, you know, we're talking a lot about the moves that they made. Obviously, you know, we're breaking in here because of the Stefan Diggs trade and what that means for CJ Stroud. I think one of the more underrated things that happened with Houston this offseason is the fact that they were able to retain offensive coordinator Bobby Slawick.


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[Assistant] The fact that you can keep that same voice with CJ Stroud going into year two.


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[Assistant] That is so massive for the development of a young quarterback to have some consistency. I thought it was one of the more underrated coups that they were able to keep him in Houston, not lose him to a head coaching job. Cause I believe he had at least, at least a couple of interviews or at least he was rumored to be, uh, you know, gaining some steam.


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[Assistant] As a head coaching prospect, you know, and if they continue on this ascent, what we think that they could do now that Diggs is in place and they, if they have another strong draft, as you mentioned, and they identify some things on day two.


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[Assistant] You could see a lot of these coordinators get picked off as head coaching possibilities in Slovak, certainly one of them. But as of right now, they are sitting pretty heading into 2024. And I was just pulling up some of the odds here.


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[Assistant] Right in that kind of window. I mean, you're in a division where you should be able to pile up some wins.


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[Assistant] You'll probably get a home gate if you win that division, and I'm just pulling it up quickly. They might not even be up at this point, but the AFC South, if it's there, yup, they're still the favorites. They're actually plus, you know, plus 15, 115 to win the division. Jaguars plus 240.


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[Assistant] I kinda like that number, plus money, Houston Texans at this point, what they've been able to do.


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[Assistant] To me, I really am bullish on them. I think that they're going to be, you know, I don't know if Super Bowl is definitely the play there, but boy, at that number, 17 to 1, I...


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[Assistant] I don't know, I kinda like them better at Dallas than this point, right?


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[Assistant] And, you know, quickly here, we're just talking about some of the odds. I just pulled up MVP at a variety of different books and, you know, Stroud is about 10 to 1, 11 to 1.


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[Assistant] And he's really only looking up at Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, and Patrick Mahomes. And if we just look at Josh Allen, I'll look at FanDuel. Josh Allen is plus 750 to win MVP, second best odds at the moment. Now I'm sure these will change following the news of Stefan Diggs, but boy.


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[Assistant] Trout is a much better bet in my opinion than Josh Allen. And sure, if, if Allen still wills his team to a division title or something along those lines in spite


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[Assistant] of losing all of his receivers. That narrative will surely help him get votes. But boy, 10 to 1, 11 to 1 right now for CJ Stroud, I think is pretty fascinating. But before we get out of here, before we wrap this up, let's, let's, let's grade this trade. I already had to grade it for the site. I gave the Texans an A, I gave the Bills a C-, I believe, just because


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[Assistant] If you're talking about, like I was saying earlier, the reason why I give them a lower, a low grade here is because it felt like this was coming at some point or another.


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[Assistant] And you didn't really prepare as well as you could have for this inevitable departure. So that to me is why I think it's a tough spot that the bills find themselves in. Meanwhile, the Texans, you go all in, you're doing the right thing by bringing in a star receiver while you still have Stroud on his Ricky contract. What do you think?


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[Assistant] Yeah, we're both in agreement, both given the maze there. I'll just play devil's advocate quickly before we get out of here. You know, this is, Diggs is a 30 year old, almost 31 year old wide receiver who did fall off down the stretch.


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[Assistant] There should be some concern there, right? You're owed to him a lot of money. He did kind of fall off. He couldn't make it work with a guy that we just said,


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[Assistant] something is falling off with digs. Now, you know, there was something I remember earlier, you know, or midway through last season, Justin Reed from the Chiefs was saying that we're not even double-coveraging Stefan Diggs. So, you know, you have players kind of throwing shade at him, whether that's just a rivalry, just kind of throwing elbows just for the sake of throwing elbows that remains to be seen.


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[Assistant] But I do think in engaged F1 digs, in an offense where there are now multiple receiving options, whether you know, you talk about, you know, Tank Del, Noah Brown, you go down, you go down the list, uh, Nico Collins, there's a lot of options there.


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[Assistant] You're talking about a guy that wants his targets and with a lot of miles to feed in Houston, it's going to be interesting for CJ Stroud and how they make all that work. We think it's a good trade. We think it's going to be very interesting for Houston as they look to go back to back.


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[Assistant] In the AFC South division. Meanwhile, the Buffalo Bills have a lot of work to do to reshape that wide receiver room. Josh Edwards, appreciate you taking the time.


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[Assistant] Hey, maybe Leger has you doing that, Tyler. That is not my type. That's all on Brady right there, man. Hold on, Tyler, I have to ask you first off, thanks for helping out, coming in during this kind of pinch, if you will, with Will. But this is a couple weeks in a row, Leger, or maybe is it two out of three, I think?


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, cannibalism is something that you're always concerned by. I think not to talk about another network, but, um, you know, you look at what ESPN has been doing, uh, or Disney ESPN ABC has been doing with Monday Night Football, having your normal presentation of Monday Night Football under this alternative


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[Assistant] For a lot of their college football games, I mean, they blow it out. They've got like every single possible channel they've got on the college football national championship or semi-final games.


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[Assistant] They've got alternative broadcasts where if you're a super diehard fan and maybe you love your team, you can like hear the radio group or, or former alums who are just sitting there chilling, talking like it's a podcast about the game.


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[Assistant] As we're venturing into, I don't want to say somewhat of the unknown, but


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[Assistant] As streaming becomes more a portion of this, as people's habits tend to kind of change and


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[Assistant] You know, intense sort of content, if you will, or more intimate content. I think the other thing is.


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[Assistant] You know, outside of looking at the actual variation of streams or opportunities to watch, it's also the Nielsen rating system. You know, a few years ago, it wasn't as quite as sharp as it is now.


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[Assistant] I think you're seeing more what hotels, bars, all of that's factoring in more than it was before. It didn't used to be like that. So they've even had to sharpen their rating system.


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[Assistant] That I think have helped, you know, increase the actual viewership in numbers because


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[Assistant] We weren't getting that before, we were only getting households. And I think there was a lot of networks and probably even advertisers who were kind of scratching their head going, well what is the real reach? I think with streaming you get a much more accurate idea of who that person is that's consuming the product or consuming the content in this case.


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[Assistant] I think those numbers are probably only going to increase because I just have a hard time believing that even though 123.4 million is a record, that's incredible, it's awesome.


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[Assistant] I'm like, what's the rest of America doing? Like, are you really trying to tell me? Are you really trying to tell me that over half of America isn't watching the Super Bowl? Like, I just, I don't buy it. I don't believe it. I think the number is probably even higher than that. I know the reach goes over 200 million, but I'm like, you're hard pressed to find someone who's like,


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[Assistant] Oh, the Super Bowl was on this past weekend. I completely slipped my mind. Like I don't know anyone in my life in my stratosphere is like that. So, uh, I think the numbers are still probably a little bit short-sighting. How much, how many people actually viewed it?


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[Assistant] Uh, it's hard to put your finger on outside of the fact that I don't know. I mean, it just, it feels like it's the number one overall sport, the most consumed sport for a variety of reasons, whether you want to point to fantasy and the implications or just from a grassroots perspective, how important football is in general, uh, in a lot of communities.


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[Assistant] I think the other thing is, is no one really has been able to challenge it. Uhm, I think, you know, if you look at the NBA, you look at America's pastime, there's a reason why we call baseball that.


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[Assistant] Uh, granted different time of the year, but you know, even hockey, I've got a brother-in-law that's playing in the NHL right now and they were off on Sunday. You know, I was, well, I was watching the game with them. So like you kind of go back and looking like other sports only want to try to compete with it.


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[Assistant] I was almost going to say, you know, as we look for other ways of continuing to grow viewership, and I know this was kicked around during Super Bowl, Rick Tyler, I'm not sure if you saw this in Lejeune, I'm not sure if you heard this narrative, but, and I think it was Dan Patrick who talked about


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[Assistant] Hey, what about Saturday Super Bowl? It feels odd. Like can you say, you can't say Super Bowl Sunday anymore. It's now really Super Bowl Saturday, but there's an element of.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, that's a reality of it. And I think there's some people who obviously in the West Coast, it's a little different considering it starts at 3.30 on their time, but.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I do wonder if they would be willing to tweak the days potentially if that's ever a factor of consideration for helping to continue to grow viewership.


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[Assistant] Even though it would take away from the feeling of Super Bowl Sunday. I mean, it's not like a 24 hour period to be that big of a difference in regards to rest for the players considering they have the week off prior.


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[Assistant] You gotta like find like Taylor Swift's rival, maybe? I don't know. It does feel like the NFL has combined like what was, I guess is, one of the longest running series of like The Bachelor or Bachelorette with


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[Assistant] Especially if Kansas City won, like people would be like, oh yeah, Travis Kelsey is going to propose. This is the fiesta bowl. This is Oklahoma Boise State, but on steroids and Boise State's going to end up winning the game. And we're going to see the proposal at the end. Like it had all those like thoughts to it. Like this is actually how it's going to be scripted out and going to end.


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[Assistant] Um, and so it's kind of funny whether it's legitimate or not, I don't care. It's kind of fun just to see all the drama surrounding it.


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[Assistant] Uh, but it does feel like it was a natural blend of like bachelor, bachelorette type discussions and pop culture with football. And I just, I don't know how you increase it from there. I'd say this, going back to your initial question, Tyler, like the one thing I think the NFL has over every other sport is there's so much on the line for each one of the games. It's one of the reasons when you brought up the 18 game schedule that I do become a little bit worrisome of.


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[Assistant] The point kind of sits at, like, if you do start playing too many games in the regular season, does it take away from viewership there? Does it take away from...


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[Assistant] You know, really what matters most is they're not playing 80 plus games or 160 plus games. They're playing 17 regular season and then it's all on the line in the playoffs. And I think there's something that resonates with a lot of people about that where, you know, as much as the owners want to continue to keep building on these massive TV contracts,


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[Assistant] There's an element of like scarcity that I think plays to it too. Like I'm in depression right now. I'm sure you guys are in depression. I mean,


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[Assistant] The only reason it's a full, you know, full year calendar for the NFL is because they found a way.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like, like we watched the draft, like we all, guess what? This is where the guy goes. He's going to replace my favorite player one day. Like it's just the whole thing's bizarre, but the NFL can pretty much, you know, so ice to, you know, to an Esco at this point with the way they've been able to promote everything within its confines.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think what's interesting about the question, Tyler, is so much onus of player safety is placed on the defense.


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[Assistant] In helping to protect offensive players. And I think because of that, we've actually seen injuries arise for the defensive players. For example, you know, now you have to land a certain way on a quarterback, can't put all your body weight on him. We've seen defensive linemen get hurt.


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[Assistant] Look, I'm a former quarterback, like I get it. We're trying to protect the faces of the league, but there is an element of, um, physicality. There's an element of toughness that goes into it that, you know, we're not helping quarterbacks out by forcing them to play with a sense of timing and rhythm to get the ball out.


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[Assistant] I mean, they should be holding on to the football as long sometimes as they are. And that leads to them getting hit.


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[Assistant] And getting hit and landed on by a, by a defensive lineman. So, you know, we're, we're creating all these rules and like the onus is on the defensive player. I mean, even the, you know, receivers who are catching a pass across the middle now are considered defenseless. And so you have a certain window in which you can hit them. You can't hit them above the shoulders to the head, neck area. So.


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[Assistant] Then what do we see as a result of that? We see guys getting their ACLs and their knees blown out because guys are more low.


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[Assistant] And so, there's always gonna be a cause and effect.


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[Assistant] So to Leger's point, with the game becoming more spread out, there's more three wide receiver sets. It forces defenders to have to play and tackle with angles.


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[Assistant] And the problem with that is, is if you do take a bad angle, you do get behind the player as he's pointing out, you're in a tough position where the only way to stop him is grab him and kind of drop your hip literally, which usually wind up on their legs and this sort of hip drop tackle. So there, I have two issues with that.


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[Assistant] First, and I've talked to a former NFL running back in Mark Ingram about that. Cause I was like curious to get his thoughts on how he feels. And one of the things he said to me was, hey, my pops played. One of the things he always said to me was, when you feel a guy hanging on you like that, when you start to feel like you're going down,


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[Assistant] You know, that's, that's how offensive players then have to adjust to the way defensive players are being asked to adjust with the way they're asked to be, to, uh, to tackle nowadays. And that leads me to the next point. If you look at the way everyone talks about rugby style tackles, right? I was with


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[Assistant] Pete Carroll, the Seattle Seahawks back in 2013, they bring in, uh, you know, one of the best rugby teams and they're talking about, hey, this is how we want to attack. We want to do this rugby style tackle where we're, it's the side of our head. We're using our shoulder. We're going to attack the hips. We're going to stop the motor at the legs and that's how we're going to wrap and roll.


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[Assistant] Okay, that's great. In theory, but let's think about that for a second. Why do rugby players not use the front of their face to make that tackle on a player in rugby? They don't have a face mask. Of course they're not going to tackle like that because they don't have anything protecting them.


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[Assistant] And the reality is when you talk about tackling and protecting yourself, you're talking about keeping your spine at a neutral angle.


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[Assistant] Anytime you turn your head one way or another, you're bending even at the cervical spine or you're potentially putting yourself more at risk for stingers, other neck injuries, and concussions.


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[Assistant] Look, I'm not a neurologist, but I had enough concussions that I had to go to different specialists because of those concussions to learn that the strongest part of your brain, your chrome, is the front of your head.


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[Assistant] Most concussions happen to the side and back of your head where you don't feel it see it coming.


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[Assistant] And so we have actually, because we keep teaching this rugby style of tackling.


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[Assistant] We're actually exposing defenders to getting hit in the side of the head and more stingers, in my opinion, concussions that come as a result of that. Instead of trying to get them to square up and keep their spine at a neutral angle where they're seeing what they hit with their head up to drive through the ball carrier.


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[Assistant] I know it's a long-winded answer to this whole hip-trop drop tackle discussion.


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[Assistant] But I think it paints a light on why the hip drop is even a part of it now, why you're seeing it, in my opinion, so much more than what we saw in the past. It's a lot of the ways we're teaching defensive players to tackle nowadays, because we're eliminating some of the ways in which they can tackle, they're supposed to tackle.


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[Assistant] And so I know it's a really long, nuanced answer, but I don't know that you're going to see it go anywhere, because I think we're limiting so much defensive players and their ability to do, to do their job, as Leger put it simply.


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[Assistant] Look, I'm with you. I don't like the fact that some of these rules to protect players are now being abused. It's no different than why receivers are becoming defenseless in the process of making a catch.


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[Assistant] You know, this is, this is allowed quarterbacks to make tight throws in the tight windows across the middle. We're back in the old days. Guys wouldn't do it because they get their heads taken off.


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[Assistant] Uh, but we're trying to make it a more offensive game. Fantasy is a big part of it. We like seeing overs. We like seeing a lot of scoring. So that's kind of where we're at. This is like juicing the baseballs if you want, uh, you know, in major league baseball or try to, you know, maybe we're looking the other way where some steroids are going on, right? Back there, the glory days, the home runs and all that.


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[Assistant] Like, I understand the reason why. I think apparently it's a little punitive, but I do think that, you know, anytime a quarterback or any other ball carrier gets to the outside like that, it has to be pretty clear and obvious they're giving themselves up. Like, we have so much subjectivity in how we go about officiating games. There's times when I'm like, look, if it's a gray area, don't throw a flag.


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[Assistant] Like you don't need to because there's often times guys are sliding too late or it's, it's kind of looks a little bit gray and the defenders already committed. And I think there does, the pendulum needs to swing back towards the defense where we start to give the defenders the benefit of the doubt. And if it ends up being a gray area where the offensive player gets hurt due to that hit.


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[Assistant] Well first off, first off, we see more punters and chickers do that than anyone else.


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[Assistant] Hey, we see defensive players do that and linemen do that with the whole last touch thing. They touch the guy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't know if there was really much of a relationship even beforehand. Um, it feels like that was kind of a forced marriage, if you will, because it really wasn't going to change what they would owe him, whether they cut him when he first got there or if they tried to cut him after the season. Uh, I would say this, you know, Russell Wilson's cap at Tyler, it's not,


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[Assistant] I mean, if we're looking at starting quarterback standards in the NFL,


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[Assistant] Comparatively speaking, I mean, Russell Wilson has won a Super Bowl. He's been to two. He's played some really good football in his career and played pretty well last year. Like I don't know that he was the prominent there in Denver, uh, which makes the whole benching a little bit curious only because I don't think Jared Stidham gave them a better chance to win. I was still curious why the NFL PA.


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[Assistant] But he was healthy enough to be the backup. You thought he would have been healthy enough to either start the playoffs or even at the end of the season.


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[Assistant] If that is the case, if I'm Russell Wilson, I'm like, dude, put me on that team, right? They've got weapons on the outside. The offensive line's improved. They have a good defense. Um, and, and I think you put him in there with Mike Tomlin. He's been a winner his entire career as a head coach. It's a winning formula for you if you're looking to revamp your career. So, you know, and then if you look at the structure of the contract,


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[Assistant] Yeah, again, it's a lot of money, but that's also an organization that, uh, doesn't necessarily delve out big signing bonuses. So maybe they'd be willing to work with the structure of the contract and kind of extend it out or restructure however they see fit to make it work. Uh, Atlanta's another team obviously that needs a quarterback this offseason, could make some sense, but.


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[Assistant] I don't know that there's a 0% chance he gets traded. I think it's probably more likely he gets released, but I would think that if Denver could get something back for him.


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[Assistant] That obviously would rather go that route, um, then maybe allowing them to go sign somewhere else. But again, that would probably fall into Tyler, the conversation of compensatory picks and you know better how that works than we do.


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[Assistant] I think it's interesting too, we kind of look at it as like this two year window. I mean, if you really want to play it out, you could play out the franchise tags in multiple years too.


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[Assistant] You'd like to be able to say, like, hey, we've seen enough to be able to commit to them long term, if that's the case. So maybe that's still a consideration. How about this for a wild card? Cause I think Tyler, as you kind of presented it, there's like two options, right? It's like we either stay put, take Caleb Williams, trade Justin Fields, or, you know, we, we trade back. We keep Justin Fields, we build around him.


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[Assistant] What if there's a scenario where Ryan Poles looks at these quarterbacks and maybe he's got a similar grade on Drake May or Jaden Daniels. Maybe he thinks they're going to score a back this draft class. What if there's a scenario where they trade back, get a bouncy of picks, still get the rookie quarterback they want and trade Justin Fields as well? No.


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[Assistant] Cause you're taking, you're taking a rookie quarterback with trading back while still accumulating those picks and getting more picks for Justin Fields. Like I'm really curious because I think when you talk to different teams, everyone's got quarterbacks ranked in different ways. Everyone has like their favorite.


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[Assistant] And I talked to a team earlier this season that they like Drake May as the number one quarterback this draft class. Like alright, interesting. Cause at that point in time, he had put a ton this season, but he didn't have the best season. I'm granted.


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[Assistant] You'd have great protection, defense struggled, not a lot of guys to throw to. There's all those reasons and justification for it. I still think he's up there next to Caleb Williams as the best, second best quarterback in this draft class. But some people might watch what Jayden Daniels did and say, man, that's a guy that I think I can win a Superbowl with.


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[Assistant] Uh, he had a Heisman Trophy winning season. He's improved as a passer. He continues to improve. You know, if that's the case...


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[Assistant] Maybe that's the third option that's a part of all this as they're sorting who could be their quarterback of the future. It might not just be between Justin Fields and Caleb Williams. Maybe there's an option number three in there too.


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[Assistant] Uh, in Green Bay, and I know we're now in recent history saying, oh yeah, you had Aaron Rogers, Jordan Love, you know, that's worked out really well so far, at least it seems like it's going to. It clearly worked out between Brett Favre.


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[Assistant] You look at, you know, the San Francisco 49ers with Joe Montana and Steve Young.


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[Assistant] We've seen it happen before. I mean, we've seen even Alex Smith go and there's a Pro Bowl quarterback and, you know, for a year, Patch Mahomes who looks to be like he's on the path to be maybe the greatest ever.


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[Assistant] I think that's probably an underrated way of looking at the quarterback position. The tough part is, is only one guy's plays and it's a delicate.


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[Assistant] You know, from my experience, like I was a guy that wanted to play, you know, as much as I was, you know, obviously helpful to the defense, helpful to the other guys in the room that are in the quarterback room.


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[Assistant] Like, I was there to play. I wasn't there to sit, you know, hold a clipboard or listen to plays and, you know, be the insurance policy as a backup. And so it became hard for me to be able to sit and watch after playing so much throughout my entire life up to that point.


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[Assistant] Finding that dynamic in the right, uhm, you know, combination of personalities in a quarterback room is tough.


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[Assistant] And it's why you see sometimes these guys who've barely started, barely played many games that hang on for years because they've got a solidified starter and they've got that guy loves them and they don't want them to have to, you know, be with anyone else. That's a backup that's in that room. And so it's.


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[Assistant] Because usually in today's age, it's just, you're playing that guy if you take him in the first round. Uhm, and so it's difficult.


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[Assistant] Look, there's a number of things to consider when you're looking at an extension for Tua Tunga Bailoa. Uhm, if we took out the injury concerns, if I said that you, Thailand Leger, we're not concerned about his injury history, okay? You're probably looking at him a lot more favorably. Uhm,


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[Assistant] It almost kind of like left this like question of like, okay, why is he doing that? And then you see him get paired with Mike McDaniel and you see the success then that he's able to have when he's got a coach who believes in him and works with an offense around him. And as good as it's been for him to be with Tyree Kill and Jalen Watto, all these talented players.


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[Assistant] It still though leads people to question then like, is he capable of being the guy? Cause he's got so much talent around him. Is he a byproduct of the system? The talent? Is it both? Uhm, and so I think that makes it difficult for them to then discern.


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[Assistant] You know, is he gonna reset the market? Like, I don't think that's gonna be the case. I think if he's offered a deal now...


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[Assistant] It's gonna be north of Daniel Jones. I know what that contract looked like, but I would imagine it's only gonna be a couple years in guarantees, then kind of a we'll see or we'll have to wait and see at that point.


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[Assistant] And it will be more economical for, you know, what the Dolphins are looking for to keep some cap space to build around that, you know, this team and roster, but to kind of not put all their eggs in that basket.


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[Assistant] We'll play out, you know, throughout the fifth year and go on the franchise tags if we have to as well. And that's ultimately how you maximize your leverage.


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[Assistant] But it comes with great risk because of his injury history. So maybe he's more likely to take a lesser deal.


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[Assistant] Uh, either way, I think he's been a great pairing with Mike McDaniel. I'm excited to see what, as they continue to grow, what it looks like.


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[Assistant] In this offense, the more he plays, the more he has a coach that believes in him what it looks like.


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[Assistant] But I don't think he's resetting the market. This isn't that sort of deal. I think you'll see him get obviously a nine figure deal when it's all said and done for that extension. But again, not one that we're going to look back and say, okay, now he's surpassing the Joe Burrows of the world or the patch for homes of the world.


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[Assistant] Yeah, of course. I mean, but I think as we kind of found out, you have to have a quarterback who can make plays in the final moments to win you a game. Very similar to what Patrick Mahomes can do.


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[Assistant] There's, you know, probably four guys, five guys that stand out because that conference is loaded with quarterbacks. The first is Joe Burrow, who's had success versus, uh, Patrick Mahomes. So that's the first that kind of comes to mind. You look at Josh Allen, even though he's lost out to Patrick Mahomes, it's been


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[Assistant] Some great battles between the two. I think Lamar Jackson's up there. Healthy Aaron Rodgers with the Jets. Once we see him get back into it, we'll see what they're capable of.


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[Assistant] Because I think with Jim Harbaugh coaching that team, it'll be a more balanced team, one that kind of owns the trenches. And it's not going to force Justin Herbert to have to be the hero every single series, just in the big moments when he needs to be. And he's clearly got that sort of ability to do so.


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[Assistant] I think it's like really those five teams. I think when you look at the way they're constructed, uh, the way they're coached, and then finally obviously who they have at quarterback.


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[Assistant] That to me looks to be the biggest challenges for the moving forward. I wish I could say San Francisco and maybe this is like recency bias, but we've seen it out twice in Super Bowls and it just feels like.


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[Assistant] And this isn't a knock against Brock Purdy or Jimmy Garoppolo, but you know, and cause Purdy had what was, you know, talked about as an MVP season this year. And so we see him take those big strides and be able to get over the hump of beating Patrick Mahomes. I just don't know what we're going to look at them as, as a contender, at least as far as stopping Patrick Mahomes getting to another Superbowl.


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[Assistant] I'm on the opposite side here, I'm very bullish about where I feel like the Eagles will be next year in bouncing back. I mean, Howie Rosen has a great track record of stacking this roster and giving them an opportunity to draft free agency of having enough depth and playmakers


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[Assistant] To make things happen, they're a little bit snake bit this year with some injuries.


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[Assistant] But to me, it was more of the inexperience of the coordinators that they elevated and put in those positions. I mean, neither Sean Desai.


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[Assistant] Or even Brian Johnson really worked his play callers. They didn't have much experience in the first place, which I think hurt them. That's why they went ahead and opened up the checkbook to pay Vic Fangio as one of the best defensive minds.


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[Assistant] Uh, in the NFL, along with Kelly Moore, he's got a great proven track record too of being able to put up a lot of points, production and numbers. So, uh, this is a team that I think rebounds this year, in particular in the NFC, uh, and will be right there next to San Francisco and trying to compete.


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[Assistant] Uh, to get to that spot to play against the Kansas City Chiefs who are going to try to three Pete. Uh, if really, if you look at the NFC picture in general.


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[Assistant] Much easier path for both those two teams trying to work through the NFC to then get to a Super Bowl as compared to the AFC, which is loaded with talented quarterbacks and a lot of really good football teams.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's a great point. I'm not sure it matters though when it comes down to it only because the reality is they weren't struggling necessarily defensively a lot this year.


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[Assistant] A lot of injuries that impacted that part of anything else. And I guess time will tell, you know, if Philadelphia is able to implement a lot of things that he's looking at doing.


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[Assistant] It seemed like that was kind of a match made in heaven because once he decided to move on from Miami, Philadelphia was very quick to sign him. And it also does address the fact that Kelly Moore will be a large improvement from what they had in Brian Johnson as an offensive play caller.


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[Assistant] Jim Harbaugh's won wherever he's gone. It took a little longer, I think, to get to the point he did at Michigan than maybe we thought, but, you know, he


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[Assistant] He's able to turn around and seems relatively quick. So you'd have to say with Herbert and that roster, despite the cap, you know, issues they've got, you'd have to say Jim Harbaugh.


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[Assistant] Under the radar. Gosh, I don't know the one that's going under the radar. I'm actually, I was talking about this with someone earlier today. I hope whatever the Bears decide the two happen sooner than later, I keep talking about what may or may not happen with the first overall pick. Like I know once we get to the combine,


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[Assistant] Uh, it would just be nice to know. And clearly we're gonna see that pick traded before we see Justin Fields traded because of


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[Assistant] How that process would work and the payers would be giving up leverage.


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[Assistant] That's one that I think is for surely not under the radar, but going to dominate that up until the draft actually occurs.


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[Assistant] So I'm hoping that that one actually ends sooner than later so we can kind of move on and not have to continually deal with these conversations about it.


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[Assistant] I was just gonna say, ask me about a month, because I feel like the franchise tag could be used on a number of these players, so we'll see where it goes from there. You know, it's funny, like off-season storylines, like, I think we're gonna continue to hear stories about, you know, what it means as the parade's going on today for the Kansas City Chiefs, about three-peating, how they're gonna get there, like, that's gonna be one that continues to dominate. But also Aaron Rodgers, like,


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[Assistant] Maybe we're fatigued because it was hard knocks last year and like there's so much built up for it for only four plays. But now it's coming back and it's like we were going to get another dose of that. I'm curious.


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[Assistant] I'm curious to see how the Jets handle it moving forward and what that looks like. Almost like, is it not going to be as big of a story because it was such a big story last year. I still can't wait to see what the Jets look like next season with Rogers.


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[Assistant] So I'm actually hoping, alright, because we just obviously saw the Chiefs win a Super Bowl back to back. We know Travis Kelce is coming back trying to three-peat. He's not trying to retire. There's a lot of speculation about that because both


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[Assistant] All the conversation in the locker room, I hated how that became public. That's like to me an intimate thing that whenever he chooses to hang it up, uhm, that should be his choice to tell the rest of the world about it.


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[Assistant] But my hope is that he decides to come back. He comes back for another season. Uh, I know he's, he's probably not as big a fan of the tush push, but, uh, he's such an unbelievable player. He's such an unbelievable, unbelievable personality. The league is better when you have guys like Jason Kelsey in it.


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[Assistant] And that still protects the chance that maybe in the future they both do decide to retire together and continue to keep kicking butt on their podcast.


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[Assistant] Seems kind of odd, but I'm just a huge Jason Kelsey fan with everything he's done on the field, off the field. And so I'm hoping that he continues his career despite the fact that it seems unlikely. So.


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[Assistant] Let's not forget that the 49ers had a 10 point lead against the Rams in the NFC Championship as well, against my guy Matthew Stafford, they gave that up. So, you know, we talk about, I think Kyle Shanahan,


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[Assistant] And this is part and part and partial because of, you know, the fact that his dad, Mike Shanahan is, should be a Hall of Fame coach. He's not in somehow, two Super Bowls with John Elway, but because of that, because of he, him, you know,


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[Assistant] Being a successful head coach, a successful offensive coordinator and us focusing on his performance in big games, we sort of moved the goalpost a bit, right? It's like Kyle can't win big games, but it's also like Kyle can't play when he's not ahead. And you know, he's like, to which I, you know, Kyle wins a lot of games. I think the circumstances have just been bad for him.


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[Assistant] I don't know that this is necessarily the best matchup possible when it comes to


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[Assistant] Figure out a way to win the big game though. I mean, Kansas Indy was a three seed. I think if you'd said before the season, who do you not want to see?


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[Assistant] The answer would be Kansas City, but then once we got to Christmas and they played the Ravens who absolutely stopped them, I think the answer was probably Baltimore, maybe even Buffalo at some point when Buffalo got hot. But now two games into the playoffs, the Chiefs are white hot and Kyle Shanahan, there's like, there is no question about it. It hands down breach.


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[Assistant] No one in this entire game, this entire week has more pressure on them than Kyle Shanahan when it comes to winning this Super Bowl because he has lost in the biggest spots frequently and Patrick Mahal simply hasn't.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, and I would just add too that uhm, yeaah, I made the point with Adi Reed that he reminded me a lot of Phil Mickelson winning a major where Phil needed to win that first major and then you get this flood of wins in these big spots that comes out because he no longer has the pressure of that and you sort of think


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[Assistant] You know, that same thing happened with, with AD Reid and Patrick Mahomes. You win that first one and then all of a sudden you, you sort of, you're just back in the Super Bowl almost every year. And I sort of wonder if Kyle Shanahan, you win the first one, could there be a sort of a run of, of Super Bowls on the horizon? I think it's at least possible to see a run of appearances if that's the case.


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[Assistant] I sort of had Andy Reid back as a top five coach already, but I'm sure I, you know, I guess I need to do that in my, in my, do the actual math, right? I mean, Belichick, Don Sula are one and two. Does that seem fair? Lombardi? Walsh? Walsh? I mean, is Andy Reid better than those guys, Wilson? I feel like.


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[Assistant] The Eagles were fantastic, of course, but I mean, they just, there were a lot of great teams, uh, you know, the Rams had some, some run there. There were a lot of great teams in the NFC in that era and it felt like Andy Reid got everybody's best game in the NFC championship. And this is a guy who now, if, I mean, he's been to,


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[Assistant] Yep. I would say he's top five, and I think you're going to have to squeeze somebody else. That also projects a little bit moving forward, I think. But definitely.


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[Assistant] I love, it's great. It's a weird thing to love, but cool. Uhm, and he had the Chiefs. Yeaah, yeaah, he did. He said, my precious Tennessee. He had the Patriots won.


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[Assistant] In this six-year span, when you've got Patrick Mahomes, you're two plays away from him going to Super Bowl every year of his career as a starter, which is, I mean, just outrageous. I mean, they lose by three to the Bengals, right? And then six to the Patriots or seven to the Patriots on the D4 at all sides thing. I mean, it's, it's ridiculous how good they've been. And if they win this one against the Niners, it's like.


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[Assistant] Sorry, I was gonna say the Patriots went through their first four. Brady wasn't playing at this level that Patrick Mahomes was playing at. If they went three out of the first six years of Tom Brady's career,


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[Assistant] That's the, that's kickstarting a dynasty. Like we would think back to this time frame and say the Chiefs, like the Legion of Boom were a borderline dynasty. If they win that second Superbowl, they probably qualify. I do agree with you Breach, like five years, three titles seems like the right fit. But I mean, this Chief Steve Wilson, three titles in six years, that's a dynasty for me.


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[Assistant] Tom Brady snuffed out anyone else from the AFC from winning Super Bowls. Tom Brady got one from the NFC side by beating the Chiefs. Uhm, you know, Joe Burrow got to the Super Bowl. Brady got to the Super Bowl and then lost to the Eagles, right? Isn't that the one where they beat the Chiefs? Is that right? The D4 season? Yeah, 2018. Patriots won the year before, right? We were on there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so, yeah, so like, so we've got the, uh, we've got the, the Patriots being the Rams, they got through the first year of a home as a starter, right? It's like, you better get yours now because you're not gonna have many opportunities. But like, you know, Joe Burrow had a shot.


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[Assistant] But Josh Allen has basically been thwarted by the Chiefs. Lamar Jackson hasn't lost to the Chiefs every time, but it's very reminiscent of the Patriots in Tom Brady's peak, when the Patriots were rolling in that, and the same thing with like Jordan's Bulls, where


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[Assistant] So I think Prisco was talking about this, yeah, Brady has seven obviously. And, and let's not forget that the big one for Brady here, there's two trump cards. One, with that seventh, he went down to Tampa Bay and won it. Granted pandemic year, but he won it. And he won MVP, right? It went 45. It's just ridiculous.


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[Assistant] And he beat, exactly, he did it without Belichick and he beat Mahomes in that Super Bowl. Now you could point out a lot of different reasons why the Chiefs lost that game, but the reality is Tom Brady beat Magic Mahomes head to head in his final Super Bowl win.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I don't think this is technically correct, like sharp math, but I'm just gonna throw it out there anyway. Uh, the Chiefs are 7-1 right now to win the Super Bowl next year in 2025. They're minus 1 or 5, plus 1 or 5 to win the Super Bowl, uhm, in, uh, in, uh, in this year obviously because they're an underdog of 2 points the last time I checked.


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[Assistant] And I think there's a pretty good chance that we end up in a situation where.


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[Assistant] It could almost be Emmett Smith versus Barry Sanders, where.


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[Assistant] You know, you're always gonna have the stats and the overall numbers on your side, like the rings on your side. Be like, all right, like till you beat Brady's seven rings, you don't have an argument.


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[Assistant] If he ties Brady, I think you do have an argument. And I still think even right now you could say that Tom, that Patrick Mahomes is the best quarterback we've ever seen play football.


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[Assistant] After the Super Bowl, I'd promptly endorse a, uh, uh, one candidate or another of a political party, which would be quite...


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[Assistant] The, uh, quite the, uh, the, the, the conspiracy, conspiracy theory come to life. My best guess is she jumps on her PJ, heads back to Japan and continues doing her tour. She's here. And by the way, shout out to, um, the article I saw come across the CBS news desk thread, the NFL stories thread. It was like,


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[Assistant] This one thing is Taylor Swift's biggest problem with getting to the Superbowl. It's like, that's the biggest John Breach headline I've ever seen in my entire life. Sure enough, you click through and it's Breach. And I had to find out what it was. It's because it's a PGA parking coming from Tokyo. It's not the actual flight itself. It's where do you park your private jet? At any rate, um,


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[Assistant] Man, this is a huge storyline. And like, Travis Kelce.


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[Assistant] Okay, you know what, I'm sick and tired of people complaining about 2S Taylor Swift. She's the biggest pop star on the planet. She's interesting. She's got great, makes great music. She intends, she and Travis Kelce have a great relationship, it looks like. It looks like authentic. And not to mention, you know, it's not like, after the game, after the AFC Championship game,


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[Assistant] By the way, Harry points out correctly, she did announce a new album tonight. The Grammys were, uh, this, we recorded this on Sunday night, excuse me, and of course, the Grammys on CBS. Hope you watch, like all good company men.


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[Assistant] She posted to Instagram about her new album. It had 600,000 likes within a minute. That's insane.


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[Assistant] Hefty list of props available on Fandle, uh, sportsbox.fandle.com.


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[Assistant] But Travis Kelsey might just be uncoverable. And I think Kelsey's flipped the switch as I suggested he might, uh, over the last two weeks in the playoffs. He's been a dominant player and he knows he's got 60 minutes to try and win another Superbowl. I think he goes out there and scores at least one touchdown. Love, even money there.


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[Assistant] Terrible, yeaah. And Mahomes has won MVP a lot, so you can see it possibly go in to, uhm.


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[Assistant] The 49ers is can they slow down the Chiefs offense and.


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[Assistant] We saw both the Packers and the Lions put up points against San Francisco by blocking really well up front. And, you know, the Chief's one Super Bowl loss is to the, to the Buccaneers. It was when they were missing their two tackles. Uh, they went out and spent immediately. They go out and get Joe Tooney. They said no protection for Patrick Mahomes in that, in that COVID Super Bowl. And so I think, um, I think Tooney will be back.


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[Assistant] Uh, be interested to hear what Kyle Long has to say all week, all week long on tops because uh, Kyle Long, friend of the pod, did an interview with the Chief's offensive line. If 2D can play, then, and the tackles hold up.


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[Assistant] This team could block the 49ers front four, and if they do that, they can attack them in the secondary, and that's how you end up with the Chiefs scoring a ton of points. Uh, if you can block them, you can beat them. Pete's been right about it so far, and the Patrick's and the Lions had their chances. If you let Patrick Mahomes' team block you, he will make you pay. He will win that game.


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[Assistant] Uh, I love George Campbell, but it's Travis Kelce. It's not close. Oh, w-wait, it's not close?


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[Assistant] I don't think it's particularly, maybe Travis Kelsey is probably the greatest tight end of all time. Uh, Gronk maybe, you'd argue, I mean, I'd be fine if it was Gronk over Kelsey.


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[Assistant] I think Travis Kelce's got a, I mean, Gonzalez is great. He's a Hall of Famer. I mean, sure, Fire Hall of Famer. I think Kelce's the best pass catching tight end of all time.


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[Assistant] I think it speaks volumes when you trade Tyreek Hill, uh, you pick up a bunch of picks from the Dolphins, you, you, you improve your defense and Travis Kelsey is just chugging along. He had a down year in the regular season, but.


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[Assistant] They, both guys are more effective and more important to their own unique offenses than the other, than they would be if you flipped them, I think.


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[Assistant] Kelsey because of his freelancing style with the holmes, how he is able to do anything on the field, catch any pass, uh, his, his threat in the red zone. And then Kittle because of his blocking skillset.


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[Assistant] He's able to really help facilitate, he's the fulcrum point for this Kyle Shanahan offense because, you know, you have, you want to run the play action stuff off of the running, you know, you want to have similar looking plays and Kibble could block, block, block and then release on this play action stuff, play action situations where they roll guys out and it just, it's so deadly.


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[Assistant] Uh, I think the part of the thing that's fascinating, he's been really clutch the last two weeks and set up in big moments in a big way and that goes a long way for me. This is still Mr. Irrelevant from last year and we're treating him as if he's


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[Assistant] Like, not that he hasn't arrived, but just where he's being treated as like, okay, well, you know, you just have to go beat maybe the greatest quarterback of all time in the Super Bowl in year, in year two as a starter, after being the last pick in the draft. And I think that speaks a lot to his development that he's being given the sort of the treatment that he's getting.


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[Assistant] I think he, you know, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that the Niners defense could come to play, could pressure Patrick Mahomes, and that Brock Purdy could have the same game that Jimmy Garabolo had. The question is, will he connect on the deep shots, uh, that Jimmy missed, that one shot to Emmanuel Sanders that wins the game for the 49ers four years ago?


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[Assistant] I mean, Jimmy Garofalo probably, uh, I mean, and then Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan, Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I still think it's Josh Allen, but I get the point. Like you want somebody who you know can run the offense. So Purdy would definitely...


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[Assistant] I understand what you're saying and it makes total sense. I still think you're taking the quarterback with the crazy upside.


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[Assistant] You know, I think it was interesting. Um, we'll get to the Ravens game, of course, in a minute. Wilson and breach. How are you? Um, breach.


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[Assistant] By the way, Breach, we did a, uh, Antonio Pierce's hired emergency podcast and Breach was dressed in all Raiders gear.


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[Assistant] Is there some biggest person that lost that you're dressed for the funeral for or what's going on here?


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[Assistant] He wore all black. You got it right. Nice job. Congrats on your neighbors for losing their.


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[Assistant] Paintings. Uhm, I think when you look at this game,


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[Assistant] You go back to the Ravens in the Texans game and the Ravens pull away is the one seed. We'll get to that in a minute, but it felt like, Oh, all right. The one seeds that we forgot about who'd been off for week 18 because they clinched their buy. And then we're all for the buy. We're going to show up and show out and dominate and.


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[Assistant] Then Jordan love and the Packers happened and it's, I think it's hard statistically to look at this game and like.


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[Assistant] The package, the, the Niner's had more, more yards, had a better yards per play.


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[Assistant] Actually converted 63% of their third downs.


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[Assistant] Like I feel like this was the, if there was ever, you think about all the, the Niners and Packers games between Kyle Shanahan and Michael four or Matt Lafour, excuse me, over the last few years.


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[Assistant] This one felt like the one that LaFleur and the Packers


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[Assistant] I don't know, man. I this, it felt like the Niners were so, so lucky to get out of Dodge with a win in the rain in Santa Clara breach.


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[Assistant] Oh, the sideline quote is like Matt LaFleur. That feels like one of those quotes that was said kind of off the record in a team meeting that was not intended for use in a broadcast. It was every time Andrew Carlson goes out there, Matt LaFleur quote,


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[Assistant] Well, hey, hey, Wilson, back it up, back it up, like an extra 60 minutes. Go like, let's start before the playoffs.


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[Assistant] We've talked about this Wilson over the course of the season with the Packers.


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[Assistant] I love, I love Jordan Love. I love Jordan Love at Utah State and I loved him coming to the draft. Didn't love when the Packers took him. I think you loved him as well. I'm saying love that much with Jordan Love is weird, but uhm, do you love answering Jordan Love questions? The


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[Assistant] Like if you go back to before the playoffs started and you said, okay, the Packers make the playoffs as a seventh seed and Jordan loves first year as a starter.


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[Assistant] This is a, no matter what happens against the Cowboys, this year is a win.


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[Assistant] And then you didn't condense the two playoff games and look at them. I mean, I feel like.


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[Assistant] Let's assume that there's no like true serum situation, uh, sodium or whatever it is. Like the, you know what it is.


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[Assistant] You're drinking it right now, Brandon. That's how we do it on this podcast. Inveno Veritas, man. Uhm, I would say that if you ask Katie Mox right now.


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[Assistant] She would say that, yeah, we were a little rusty, came out slow, feel really good about how we'll reform in the industry championship game against whoever we're playing. Jared golf or Baker Mayfield.


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[Assistant] Need Devo to be healthy, but really dodge a bullet from a hot Packers team. Not that worried. And if you gave her the true serum.


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[Assistant] Really hope it's not raining in San Francisco next week because this.


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[Assistant] Like offensive geniuses. I would pick Cal Shade, Cal Shade ends top three in a draft of coaches you're doing, but my God, man.


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[Assistant] Will you be a little more aggressive, please? Like I want, I want three quarters. Kyle Shanahan, one quarter. Dane Campbell as a, as a head coach in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Long field goal when you have all these weapons at your disposal. And then, then.


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[Assistant] Like weirdly goes no huddle like at the end to give the Packers a minute to go with two timeouts. It was, it's just very discombobulated.


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[Assistant] I was just talking about the demo thing because it happened during the first fifteen plays.


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[Assistant] I'm just wondering if it threw off Kyle's scripted plays enough.


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[Assistant] I Dima matters so much to this office because if, if, if the run game is not working or if, if they're playing, if, if, if teams are playing man.


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[Assistant] And locking you down defensively, you can go to Debo.


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[Assistant] Excuse me, the playing zone, you go to Debo to run the screen game off to the side as a wide receiver and he destroys them.


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[Assistant] How many, how many of the first 15 to 20 plays that Kyle scripted do you think involved DBA?


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[Assistant] In some capacity as a first or second read, and all of a sudden you take Devo Samuel out and you replace him with, and Juwan Jennings is a good player, but you basically replace him with Juwan Jennings. That changes the offense entirely.


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[Assistant] If Devo Samuel suffers, and I thought it was, I mean, was a little curious how quickly he got clear to come back from the headage playoffs.


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[Assistant] The one thing, it was like 12 minutes from Devo Samuel laying on the ground with a head injury to Devo Samuel cleared to come back in 12 minutes. It was a little weird.


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[Assistant] Oh, we thought you had like some smudge on your camera. Um, do you want to talk about the Packers or? Yeah, of course.


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[Assistant] Suggest the fact that like if you're Baker Mayfield and Jared golf and watching this game.


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[Assistant] You're thinking, Oh my God, please Jared. Please Jordan. Love when like, please, you're like, you're this close.


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[Assistant] No, but you're this close to hosting the MSU championship game as a three or four seed. That never happens.


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[Assistant] Well, I, Wilson, let me ask you this. This is a good draft question.


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[Assistant] Let's not, draft cap, draft capital not withstanding.


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[Assistant] You're looking at teams across the NFC or NFL. If you want the Packers have the youngest roster in the NFL. They were this close to making the NFC championship game. What roster are you taking over the Packers in the NFC for the next five years? If any?


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[Assistant] I'm sorry, I actually haven't thought anything over the last, like.


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[Assistant] Two minutes. Did you, did you just say you would take Jordan love or Chopra?


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[Assistant] The last time the Packers, if you're a Packers fan, you are thinking,


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[Assistant] The last time that the Packers had to worry about a franchise quarterback was like 1991.


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[Assistant] Here's my thing. Looking at the top teams in the NFC.


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[Assistant] If Brock Purdy suddenly became a pumpkin, wouldn't be shocked. I mean, truth Williams is going to retire soon. They got to pay people. The defense might not be great forever.


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[Assistant] Who might McCarthy and Dan Quinn that, you know, we don't know about the coaching in Dallas. Detroit is the other team I would take.


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[Assistant] Tampa Bay keeps kind of churning it over, but Baker, I would take Jordan love over Baker, obviously, um, Philly. I think there's big questions there.


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[Assistant] The Rams, I love Matthew Stafford, but he's old.


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[Assistant] Green Bay, the youngest team in the intersea. This team is loaded on offense. As long as they keep the coaching together and they keep blocking up front. So like who's like Chicago, please Joe Musso.


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[Assistant] I, I just, unless Atlanta gets a quarterback. Or Belichick. And Belichick. Or not Belichick, if you're right.


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[Assistant] Hey, do you see a stat I tweeted out about Bill O'Brien?


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[Assistant] I think part of him, he coached eight years combined with Nick Saban and Bill Belichick and didn't win one title. Do you know how hard that is?


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[Assistant] No, no, but I, but, but, but I do think that this Packers team.


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[Assistant] If you're picking a team to win, you said over the next five years.


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[Assistant] I can bet like, uh, cause you can do this in golf. You can bet a player to win a major over X number of years.


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[Assistant] Or over a single year, one of the four majors. If I were, I think the Packers would have the lowest odds because of their total roster.


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[Assistant] Construction, the quarterback, all the young players and the defense has been good down the stretch.


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[Assistant] Are you saying they need a kicker? I think it's the Packers Alliance is the answer.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeah, in terms of, in terms of teams, you think, well, if you're picking a team to be good five years from now.


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[Assistant] With the same roster they have right now, the Packers are the answer and the Lions maybe second.


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[Assistant] A 6.5 out of 10 concern. I'm a 4 for doing numbers. If Devo Samuel isn't playing. Yeah, I think 6.5.


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[Assistant] Debo's a pressure killer. And if you, and you look at like,


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[Assistant] The linebackers, both the lions and the, um, Buccaneers have, you can get somebody that name. I can cover McCaffrey, but you can minimize what McCaffrey can do with the linebackers and the safeties. And then there's no Debo there to really destroy you. No, it doesn't. So 6.5.


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[Assistant] Well, that's a little ironic considering that Robbie Gold was the 49ish kicker. They drafted Jake Moody in the third round and he was


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[Assistant] For 152 and two touchdowns, Vinny Vida Vichay, a decisive victory for Lamar Jackson in this spot. Everyone you've been harping on, I was getting tweets all night. People were like, are you going to call, breach out for this Lamar Jackson playoff takes? I was like, yes, I will. They were correct perhaps.


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[Assistant] I think, I think that the Ravens offensive game plan was expecting an aggressive Texans defensive game plan. They started slow. It was a, it was a feel them out thing.


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[Assistant] And they felt them out. They adjusted at halftime and then they smoked them and put them in the corner. This Raven's team is really good. Lamar Jackson is going to be, it's going to be, I was going to be like, uh,


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[Assistant] I don't know how it works with the one through five votes, but I mean like he's going to be fairly close to unanimous MVP. I don't think.


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[Assistant] And his defense showed up in the first half for sure. Lamar was fine. There was a period where he had


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[Assistant] Well, that's, I mean, that's not his fault. I mean, the offensive line was getting torched by the Texas D. They were blitzin'. That's somebody's fault.


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[Assistant] The Todd Monk in to make your Ryan's thing is interesting because like, do we think that the Mika Ryan's out game plan the Ravens in the first half? Cause I mean, like, look, I mean,


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[Assistant] Texans have good defensive players that have a good defense.


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[Assistant] It's not an elite defense. It's kind of cobbled together.


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[Assistant] No, I'm not. I'm saying that they, but like, like the defense, this isn't some historic defense. It's Domingo Ryan's went out and found guys that he thought could work for the defense in the off season. It came together really well. They knew they were behind the eight ball coming into this game.


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[Assistant] They were aggressive in the first half. And then I don't say to get like, like, you know, you got like a.


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[Assistant] The Ravens are just a better team and adjusted to what he was doing. The spying stuff though to breach his point is curious because


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[Assistant] There were multiple times, I mean, Lamar had 11 carries for a hundred yards and they were running like these clear routes and he would have these huge lanes where he could run in. He had easy, uh, fourth down conversions.


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[Assistant] Two rushing touchdowns, which you probably shouldn't have had that easily. I'm not knocking to make her Ryan's ever say from a like, who do you blame more Texans offense or Texas defense?


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[Assistant] They had 11 penalties for 70 yards.


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[Assistant] I, I love, I love this Texas team. I, I said they were at this point like preseason team du jour, but this was a beat down and I think,


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[Assistant] That we're losing sight of the fact that this may be a historically good Ravens team.


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[Assistant] How many times do you think the Texans made it into the red zone? Uh, 12.


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[Assistant] If they don't, if they don't house that pump return 34, three is like, Oh, Whoa moment.


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[Assistant] I'm, I'm laughing at the chat. You know, I'll ask you guys this.


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[Assistant] There's a, there's a fight going on in the chat right now about Lamar Jackson. That's what happens when you start talking about Lamar Jackson.


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[Assistant] Everyone's like, no, no, no. Lamar Jackson is the fifth best quarterback in the NFL.


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[Assistant] And then there's Tua. I need to get in the chat. And then there's Joe Burrow. And like, it just, it just really got, it really got heated. If the Ravens win the Super Bowl. So who, so who, you have CJ Shroud 3. No, we're not going over that now, Brenton. No.


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[Assistant] Princeton, you have to stay on the rest of the podcast to get the answer. You can't hang up. No, the Texans are not the most promising team of the AFC. I love the Texans. They're awesome.


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[Assistant] I would say Packers because I think that, I mean, Mahomes, Allen, Lamar.


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[Assistant] I didn't hear that. I bet you didn't. Um, not rich. I mean, look, I, I think that, um, uh, I was saying this earlier. Do you worry at all that?


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[Assistant] You know, last year's Jaguars team is like, well, they've got Trevor Lawrence and Doug. They're good to go.


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[Assistant] I'll go down with the Trevor Lawrence over CJ shroud ship nine, a hundred times out of a hundred right now. All right. No contracts involved. Just straight up player. Oh, everything.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Lawrence reverse trout for sure. Shroud's awesome, but I'll take it. Lawrence reverse trout.


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[Assistant] Right, but the division's not. Is it though? They've got, they've got to deal with the line. The division is one path. The wild card's so much easier.


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[Assistant] Okay. I mean, think about like in the AFC, you have my homes, Josh Allen and Lamar.


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[Assistant] I mean, Rogers, I mean, there's not a lot of sponsors. What year is this? The Texans, dude, the Texans were...


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[Assistant] After week eight of the 2023 season this year.


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[Assistant] They were three and four and had lost to the Carolina Panthers.


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[Assistant] They were probably 25 to 1 to win the division.


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[Assistant] And I struggled with this, but I wanted to give Wilson a chance.


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[Assistant] To access the Packers in San Francisco 49ers game. So I'm going to go off board here a little bit.


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[Assistant] Second letter in the alphabet, obviously P who knows what letter it is, but everyone knows 13th letter in the alphabet, the middle letter, the basic fair average


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[Assistant] So that's why Joe burrow, the most average quarterback in the NFL is my BVP.


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[Assistant] Or John Harbaugh, if you want, because he hired these guys and he brought these coordinators in who were difference makers for this Raven season. I think it ends. I have the bills before the season to win the Superbowl. I think it's possible the Ravens win it all.


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[Assistant] And Lamar proves idiots like breach, uh, dead wrong, but hardball.


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[Assistant] Tossed Greg Roman out, brought Monkin in a couple, two years ago. He brought might be Donald and from Harbaugh, from his brother's staff. And these two coordinators have made a huge difference in this Raven's team. So my actual BVP, John Harbaugh, who's got it better than us.


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[Assistant] Name the names, name the names, Wilson. All right, here we go.


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[Assistant] It's incredible. I mean, it's amazing what Taylor Swift has done.


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[Assistant] I mean look, Jim Harbaugh is a winner. You can't, you can't.


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[Assistant] Offensive and defensive football, which I'm okay with, by the way. I think if you're not tough on both lines, you got problems. I don't care how good, how good your quarterback is even. You better be physical on both sides of the ball.


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[Assistant] Now having said that, if you're bringing Greg Roman in, that makes no sense. I said this earlier, we were doing this hit on HQ, Jim Harbaugh going to the Chargers can't make Justin Herbert feel good. It just can't.


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[Assistant] And I know somebody, Danny Cannell said, well, you can be excited about being a winner.


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[Assistant] And I, I'd rather throw the ball around. I wanna be, you know, would you rather be Trent Dilfer or Dan Marino? I'd rather be Dan Marino. I just, I hope, I hope that they don't try and rein Justin Herbert in by bringing in a guy like Greg Roman. I don't like it.


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[Assistant] I mean, yeaah. He made Andrew Luck, like, I mean. He didn't make Andrew Luck, stop it. Stop.


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[Assistant] And they ran the ball, and he was great off of play action and everything else. He ran the ball. Uhm, but yeaah, I mean look, if they're gonna play like they did when Luck was the quarterback, I'm okay with that.


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[Assistant] I'm okay with that, but, but he, I mean, if you get 38 touchdown passes at Justin Herbert, that'd be great. I mean, you take that and he was going to win him.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, but JJ McCarthy didn't throw the ball much at Michigan. I mean, he was, and you know, that's why his evaluation's hard because he didn't, he didn't throw the ball a lot at Michigan. So yeah, I mean, look, hardball is a great hire. The shelf life will be short, I think. I mean, that's just who he is. The shelf life is going to be short.


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[Assistant] But, if you can get physical offensive line and physical defensive line, you're gonna win in this league. Provided you have a quarterback and they have a quarterback.


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[Assistant] I mean, he's weird. That's the only way to describe him.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, maybe, but again, uhm, you know, ee, ee.


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[Assistant] It is a couple others, but accomplishing that


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[Assistant] It's hard, it's hard. You know, look, Trent Baalke isn't the...


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[Assistant] Alright. Well, they'll both be physical teams by the time they s- if they can stick around to mold them into the way they wanted to be.


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[Assistant] Well remember, a year ago, the AFC West was supposed to be the, uh, the SEC of the, uh, of the league, remember?


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[Assistant] I think getting him in there to work with, that made all the sense in the world to me. To hire a guy who was going to be an offensive guy to work with the quarterback who the general manager drafted to be the franchise quarterback. So it works. And I think, you know, Callahan will make that


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[Assistant] Uh, often much better. He'll make Will Leveson into a much better player. And there's a lot of ability there as you know how I feel about him to kind of mold it around him. So I like, I like to hire a lot.


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[Assistant] If he can. I think he'll be able to. I mean, they shouldn't hold that up. That would be...


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[Assistant] A little tacky if they tried to hold that off, I think. Couldn't he? It's the Browns though, Pete. I know, could be, that would be tacky though.


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[Assistant] Callahan really wanted to go coach with his son. I don't...


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[Assistant] And I know Kevin Stefanski and his father are very close. You know, his father was in the NBA for a long time. General manager. And I can't imagine Kevin would block that. I just don't think he would.


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[Assistant] My son's an NFL head coach. I should be able to go coach on his staff. And you should understand why. It's not to make that team better necessarily, even though I think I will, I would do that. It's to be with my son. They should allow that to happen. And I think, I think Kevin's too good a guy. He's been around


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[Assistant] Sports his whole life. I don't think he'd block that. I just don't. Now the team might decide, they might, but I don't think Kevin.


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[Assistant] The two quarterbacks will combine to throw for 575.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he didn't play very well. And they started, they had way too many pre-snap penalties to kind of ruin drives. And I didn't, Bobby Slowak had a great week the week before, he didn't have such a good week this week.


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[Assistant] A lot of first down runs. I hated the, yeaah, he needed to dictate tempo and I hated the trick play.


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[Assistant] They had rhythm. They were at a rhythm. Then he ran that stupid trick play and took them out of it. I didn't like that call at all. So uhm, I think that contributed. And Lamar struggled the first half. He didn't play well. He wasn't passing the ball very well either in the first half. And they kind of got back to the roots of him running and kind of got it going. So that was a bad prediction on my part.


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[Assistant] You weren't right. I think we give them this one. That one counts. I agree, I agree. My god. I mean, I can't believe they didn't win that game. I was sitting there watching and I'm astounded. First off, you get six points on three trips to the red zone in the beginning of the game. That should never happen.


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[Assistant] Uh, and then you blow that opportunity on the field goal to take a seven point lead and, and worst case scenario you go to overtime.


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[Assistant] It just, everything that could go wrong at the end of that game went wrong. They should have won the game. They were the better team that day. I'm not saying they're the better team, but in that game, they were the better team.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and Green Bay did the one thing you have to do to beat San Francisco.


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[Assistant] They block em. You block em, you beat em. You block em, you beat em. You know, that's the way it is.


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[Assistant] This one's going to get loose too. So I think you're going to see the two quarterbacks throw combined for.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, if Gibbs doesn't rip off the long run, who knows, you might get the other one there, but uhm, I think that...


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[Assistant] Baker played well. I love the way he played. The interception at the end of the game.


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[Assistant] Who knows if they're gonna go get another touchdown anyways. I mean, long odds against it, but he had Godwin on the, if you look at, if you go watch that play, he has him right on the left of that clearing and open. He, all he has to do is throw it to him and he's got a first down at about 15 yards and off they go.


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[Assistant] Tough, I mean, it's hard to pick who these guys are gonna get, you know? I mean, they interview 40,000 people now.


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[Assistant] I mean, and by the way, if I was doing the interview, that's what I would do, because I'd pick the brain of everybody and steal as much as I could from every single guy that comes into that room.


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[Assistant] You got an NFL head coach who, I mean, an NFL coordinator who's been in the league for a long time, or even an innovative young one, and they're sitting in a chair next to you, and you pick their brain for, you know, 10 hours, writing down stuff, and if you don't hire them, then you have all their stuff.


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[Assistant] Bold, huh? We need something bold. How about this for bold. Dalton Kincaid has a better game than Travis Kelce.


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[Assistant] That was bad. That was bad. Shake it off. That was bad. I don't think they used Kincaid enough. I don't think Dalton Kincaid got used enough.


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[Assistant] Also because they busted the coverage when he went for a touchdown. That was terrible.


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[Assistant] I mean, Gabe Davis being injured and being kind of a flop this year really hurt that offense. Really hurt that offense.


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[Assistant] And then, uh, Shakir has developed into a good, he'll be a good slot receiver, but they need a threat down the field, you know, a bigger body threat down the field. And this is a good draft to get one. There's a ton of them in it.


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[Assistant] I think, you know, you got Patrick Holmes in the postseason.


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[Assistant] He's done it before. Uh, he showed he could win on the road in the postseason last week against Lamar Jackson, who didn't play well in the first half last week and all the pressures on Lamar Jackson. You're the MVP. You know, you gotta prove that you can get to a Super Bowl. So I think from that standpoint, I think that's definitely winnable for the Chiefs.


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[Assistant] Oh, I think they'll give him problems. I'm with you on that. Because I don't think the 49ers defense, again, if you block them, you're going to have success throwing it. And the Lions offensive line is really good. So I think they'll be able to throw on them. So I think you're going to give them problems. I just don't see the Lions stopping them.


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[Assistant] I'd probably go see Eminem before I see Taylor Swift, but I'm actually, I have tickets to see Taylor Swift.


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[Assistant] It's hard to sell them though because you got, they have like a place where you're limited to the time you can sell them, you can't transfer them until a certain point, so.


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[Assistant] Pacheco rushes for over a hundred


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[Assistant] But you have to beat them on the ground to open up the air. And that's why I think Andy Reid's going to be smart like he was last week. And it's not going to be a free throwing it all over the place, but he's going to take his shots like he did last week off the run game.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Texans last week couldn't run at all, so that kind of negated what they did in the passing game. I think the Chiefs will run the ball better.


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[Assistant] The two quarterbacks combine for 700 passing yards and five touchdowns.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think the second game's gonna get loose. I really do, I think.


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[Assistant] I think the way Ben Johnson calls a game, he's not going to be conservative, he's going to go down swinging, and the best way to go down swinging against that team, as we saw last week with the Packers, is to take those shots and intermediate shots, all of them.


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[Assistant] And he's going to be smart and get the ball to his playmakers on the outside. I think that one gets crazy and I don't think that, I don't think the Lions can stop the 49ers either. So I think that's going to go up and down the field.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and Purdy didn't play great in that game, uhm, until he had to, like you said, he made some throws. You know, we had a debate up here in the newsroom, they were raving about that throw he made to Juwan, to, uh, Juwan Jennings in the middle of the field. I mean, Jennings made a great catch on that ball. The high one, you know, it wasn't, it's a good throw over the top, he kind of layered it in there, but the receiver made a hell of a play on that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like the Josh Allen throw to Stefan Diggs was a great throw that wasn't a catch.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean that was an unreal throw and he didn't catch it.


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[Assistant] You know, somebody, who was it? I think it was Darius Slayton. Did you see his tweet?


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[Assistant] It's not like she's getting on a commercial airline to come. Yeaah. She's probably on, she could sleep the whole thing in a bed, in a private bed or something and then get, yeaah, no.


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[Assistant] We're not talking about football, are you? Yes, I am. I'm talking about football. One game where the kicker doesn't decide it. Just so we don't have to see the guy push it wide right or yank it left.


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[Assistant] You know, we had this argument upstairs before too. I said, I think Larry Hartstein, who's here today, he said they should have used more clock. No! You score!


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[Assistant] They didn't score anything. You score a touchdown. He tried to score a touchdown. He tried to hit that shot in the back of the end zone and he got kind of banged on the side and he couldn't make the throw. You try and score. You're not trying to burn the clock. You're trying to score a touchdown.


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[Assistant] Why wouldn't you aim it to the way to the left and let it blow it back in then? He missed! He missed it!


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[Assistant] Breach, when you say they played for the field goal, what do you, like, they ran it on first down, then he threw that shot into the end zone on second down, and then on third down, he was flushed out of the pocket, probably could have taken a little throw to


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[Assistant] I think he had Kincaid in the middle of the field and hit that for about not maybe not a first down and got more yards for the kicker because lord knows he needed them. Uh, but where did you see they were playing for to, to, you know, burn clock?


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[Assistant] Didn't the Chiefs have three timeouts? Make them use one!


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[Assistant] Okay, okay, you make them, you hand the ball off, it was second and nine, you hand the ball off and you get two yards and it's second, it's third and seven. Is that, is that, making them burn a clock more of an advantage to you than being hit in a pass. It missed it, but you should get


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[Assistant] You want to score whatever way you can. If it happens on this next play, so be it. If it happens that you burn clock to get it, so be it. The ideal scenario is to score the touchdown.


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[Assistant] Breach isn't going to like this, but I'm going to put it at number five. Because that weather ruined what we could have seen with the Chargers passing game. It was awful. Terrible weather. Should never decide a football game. It didn't that one. That's a five.


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[Assistant] And they also don't remember how close the Cowboys came to coming back down the field after that catch. They got back in and almost scored.


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[Assistant] This is better than that, so I'll give that number two. From a historical standpoint, the catch is iconic, so I'll put it at number two, but there's been better games.


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[Assistant] That was a great game. I'd put that number one. That was a great game.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, and remember Marlon Jackson? I think Marlon Jackson had an interception to seal the game late for the Colts, instead of the Super Bowl. Brady had the ball, and I think Marlon Jackson picked him off.