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[Assistant] The circumstance around him, just like the two guys we talked about already, and Sam and Cam Newton, was really bad. As they've told you, this offseason, they told you, they blew it up. They blew it up in Philadelphia. Cause it needed to be blown up.


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[Assistant] Wentz gave them the false sense of security to hang onto it one year too long. And even with all that, again, I always will go back to Wentz.


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[Assistant] You know, I just couldn't, I couldn't put him below some of these other guys. I couldn't do it. So that to me is where I got, you know, once at 18.


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[Assistant] So, you know, that's where, again, I know he can clean up his game. Decision making wasn't great. He didn't even throw the ball. He has a little bit of the Justin Fields things with his arm at times, where, I mean, not at times.


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[Assistant] So there's not this, but the opposite, the thing that's different between Justin Fields is he does a lot of other things the right way. But it's something I don't love about his game too. He's got the chicken wing. He's got the chicken wing, right. The elbow is always out. He kind of throws through the elbow. I think that's why he wears a sleeve on his throwing arm, because I bet you his elbow is sore from time to time with how much stress he puts on it.


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[Assistant] Erin throws some bad decisions, trying to do too much, all of those type of things, yeaah, led to a down year. But as you sit here, and I think we can all sit here and be realistic, and if you look back at their schedule now, and you go, listen, they beat the Giants, 27 to 17,


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[Assistant] You know, or no, I mean, beat the Giants 22-21 at home. I mean, the Giants were better than Philadelphia. I know, at the time we looked at him, we were like, oh, Eagles barely beat the Giants. No, the Giants were clearly better than Philadelphia when the season was all said and done. They were the better football team. They won that game, cuz wait, wait.


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[Assistant] Carson Wentz. I mean, so that's where I look at it and look back at it and go, okay, did we think they were supposed to beat the Cleveland Browns? We thought they were going to beat the Seattle Seahawks? We thought they were going to beat Green Bay?


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[Assistant] Really? That's what we thought? You thought they were going to beat Pittsburgh and the Ravens? Really? The Rams? Like, you can't look at one of those teams and say,


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[Assistant] Yeah, they blew it that week. That was the game they should have won. No, they went onto the field almost in every game other than Darnucci at quarterback with the Cowboys going that game and the Bengals game where you go, okay, maybe they should have won those games. The rest of them, they were the lesser team on the field for the most part.


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[Assistant] Exactly. We all inflated them. Me too. I mean, I'm not, I'm exactly right. It all hurt Carson Wentz and now he's gonna give a big F you with the horseshoe you to the rest of the country I think after this year's over.


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[Assistant] No, he's not, and I'm not trying to let, I hope I'm not trying to sound like I'm letting him off scott-free. He's making that clear. Okay, good, good, cause it, it, there was, there's plenty of moments of...


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[Assistant] You know, he lost his way. He felt the pressure. He was out on his feet. Whatever you want to say towards the end of the year by just the constant scrutiny, everybody blaming him.


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[Assistant] Him trying to do too much and it affect his decisions on the field. And it started to affect his play and everything. To where that Green Bay game, yea, it all came to a pinnacle of like,


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[Assistant] Man, it's just, he's, he's beat down in all facets. Physically, mentally, everything about it. And, uh, that's where I think it's a good fresh start with a supporting cast and a coach that believes I'm an indie is going to do a lot for him.


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[Assistant] Not a cancer. I mean, that's for sure. That was where I believe it was like a little bit misreporting or took a life of its own. I think that whole conversation took a life of its own. And I think it's pretty easy to really put it together for at least somebody like me who's been around it for a long, long time.


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[Assistant] He needs to get better. I think there's definitely that. You know, guys in the locker room want the quarterback a little. Yeaah, he's our leader, he's the general and all that, but they wanna feel...


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[Assistant] Going over them on a, on a daily or every few days basis to make a connection with them and talk to them. Hey, what's up in life? You dating a girl? Are you married? Blah, blah, blah. It's those things that will go over big in a locker room when the quarterback does that. I think that's where he missed it, but where it all really compounds and became a thing.


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[Assistant] Was, of course, he got hurt and they won a Super Bowl with another guy. And now you get compared to that guy for everything. Oh, Nick hangs out with us. Carson doesn't.


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[Assistant] Because of that. And maybe that guy is better at some of those things, but it takes a life of its own. And so I don't look at it as being that. I mean, not to where he's a cancer.


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[Assistant] Now hopefully he can improve on making some of those relationships or anything like that, but, uh, I would be shocked if it doesn't work here with the goals.


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[Assistant] But Carson Wentz made it all the way to the final. I would think so. I would expect that from Carson Wentz. He's got an incredible hand eye, that's for sure. And I would like to think that really...


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[Assistant] Most quarterbacks, if they had a knockout tournament, are gonna be in the least of final three or four out of a 90-man roster in the final five.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I will say tight ends usually have a little, uh, uh, tight ends I was around usually have a pretty vast skill set. They played basketball, they played football, they might have played baseball or whatever. I mean, you can do it all a little bit. So the ones I was around were pretty well versed. Certain teams, the punters and the kickers, if you get on a team like that.


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[Assistant] Every now and then you're going to get an offensive lineman with a silky shot. Offensive lineman every now and then can have that big man silky shot.


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[Assistant] I think you're right though. Linebackers, I would probably really say, hmm.


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[Assistant] Defensive lineman? I was gonna go, yea, like, linebackers and, and maybe even really corners. I've seen some corners that just, you know, they're fast. That's it. But a brick show.


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[Assistant] But can't, can't hit a, can't hit a golf ball, can't throw a baseball, can't catch, can't catch, that's what I mean. So I've seen some where I'm gonna go, are you shooting with the right hand?


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[Assistant] That's the way you're supposed to shoot. I know, right. You're not supposed to use both hands there, guys. Uh, so, uh, but I would say no, yeaah, it's, it's quarterbacks, you know, good amount of running backs, you know, and wide receivers. Wide receivers can go a little either way too, but, but they usually are pretty silky smooth athletes overall.


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[Assistant] He's at 17 really because of the current status of his injury, and I don't think that he's gonna be 100% when this year starts, especially with that injury coming, you know, at what, week 10 or 11 during the regular season. But Joe Burrow, yea Joe Cool, that's the man right there. I love Joe. And really realistically, if he doesn't get hurt,


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[Assistant] And continues on the trend he's in. He's definitely right around the top 10. There's no doubt about it. The guy has it all.


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[Assistant] There's only one thing missing from Joe Burrow's game, maybe a little bit more of an explosive element from his right arm, which I believe he's even talked about here recently, and he adjusted it during the year last year. But man, when I go back and watch Joe Burrow, I mean, first off, it's just like, is this really a rookie? That's the kind of jump back when you watch him. You just go, damn.


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[Assistant] I mean, plays the position the right way, gets the ball out of his hands, throws with great accuracy.


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[Assistant] Understands like the fine line of like, ooh, this is like a smart chance to take and this is just absolutely stupid. You know, he only had a handful, like one or two or three plays where I, I can go back and look and go, all right, that was a stupid rookie play. All right. He'll learn from that.


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[Assistant] I think from everything else, I mean, it was phenomenal.


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[Assistant] He's as slippery and as slick in the pocket as anybody in football.


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[Assistant] He has a legit running ability. Not that he's gonna like run for 80 yards down the sidelines, but he can run the read option or a quarterback draw and rip off 25 or 30 yards. No problem.


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[Assistant] And his ability to make plays off schedule is almost as impressive as his ability to make them on schedule where he can read and react and he makes the appropriate throw and, you know, just the timing of all of it. But, you know, again, for


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[Assistant] White guy, pocket passer, right? He's got an unbelievable ability and six cents to avoid pressure or get out of the pocket and make people miss in space to throw the football again, too. You know, he doesn't have that rocket arm like Josh Allen or Mahomes, but when he gets out of the pocket,


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[Assistant] He is still looking to throw. And that's what I love about him. It's not about, oh, let me get out and then we just run all the time. He's looking to get out and let me manipulate or do something that way. And he got better and better at that as the year went on. So yeah, Joe Burrow is definitely knocked down.


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[Assistant] Because of the current status of his knee and where I think he'll be to start the year. Week 10, if we do another updated rankings, don't be shocked if he's back to the top 10.


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[Assistant] Maybe he's listening. Maybe he's listening. He needs to. He tried to make the adjustment during the year and anybody that listens to the podcast, you can go back early in the year last year and I can, there's many a podcast where I just go,


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[Assistant] The only thing I don't like about it is down the field throwing. Some of the explosive throws, they were less than. And that was always my one negative about him coming out in the draft.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, he's smart. That's why I love the kid. He knows. He, and this is why I love him too. I saw him make the adjustment last year. You know, again, going back to the Chris Simms quarterback school in the mechanics, he was a little bit of a too much of a...


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[Assistant] The over the top thrower, right? Let me get my arm high and I got a high release. And yeaah, then he, you know, he'd follow through and his arm would go to the opposite pocket, right? So he's a righty, he's throwing, his arm would go down to his left pocket. I'd go, that's great.


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[Assistant] You know, and you can probably throw a nice perfect spiral and have some accuracy, but again, if you want to drive the ball a certain direction,


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[Assistant] Your arm has to go that direction. It can't go an opposite way and you think, well that ball should go really fast the other way. No! How is that gonna happen?


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[Assistant] That's why you see Rogers in the homes when they throw, they want to throw a rifle right down the middle. Their arm goes rifle right down the middle and follows through on their opposite pectoral and things like that. Joe Burrow, if you go back and watch like around week four or five, all of a sudden,


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[Assistant] I can still remember, like watching the, I can't remember what game it was.


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[Assistant] I just remember it was around that time where I go and watching some throws and I remember watching him warm up before the game going, Oh, he's trying to like change his motion a little bit. He's, he's conscious of driving the ball and pushing it down the field. And he did get better at that. But to me, yeah, that's the next element.


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[Assistant] For him specifically, specifically to grow as a player, but they got a Jamarra Chase and Higgins and guys that lend itself to, ooh, we could throw the ball down the field to this group right here. And then you got a guy like Joe Mixon.


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[Assistant] Where we know he's special. I mean, to me, he's one of the five best running backs right on the edge of that in football. They got talent. They do. So you use that with play action pass and now Jamar Chase is screaming down the middle. That's where he wants to be more explosive. And that's where I respect Joe Burrow. I don't think his movement is going to be as good.


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[Assistant] Early on, I think he's smart enough to make these adjustments to his throwing.


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[Assistant] And I'm excited to see what it can do on the field, but that's good to hear from Boyd and everything that he's thrown lasers already.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I mean, they, they put the team on his shoulders, like almost from get go to your point and what you're saying. And I think too, like, you know, again, they have guys that can separate, but their offense, their lack of pass protection.


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[Assistant] You know, going empty, that lends itself to short throws and having to throw in tight windows. He's phenomenal at that. But I think that next step is, yea, stretching the field to open all that stuff up.


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[Assistant] You know, but that, you know, within that and what we love and that they threw it on him are also the reasons he's hurt too though. And that's where I just would say like, you know, they didn't do the best job in protecting their prize investment. That's the one thing I'll say if I'm going to criticize them a little bit.


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[Assistant] They, they, they can't play the style of football


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[Assistant] They did last year. Just to me, it's not the best for their football team. It's not the best for Joe Burrow. It doesn't take advantage of Joe Mixon and what you're paying him. You're paying him like a superstar running back. So hopefully they have a little bit more of an element of physicality on the offensive line to protect him.


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[Assistant] You know, you talked about some of those games. Yeah, they were undermanned. I mean, come on, we didn't expect them to beat the Colts or the Browns either time. They hung right in there with teams like that. You know, there was a lot of positive moments, even though you go, ah, they lost the game. Joe Burrow had.


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[Assistant] Like, Kansas City had a stigma before Mahomes got there. They're kinda like, oh, they're good, but they can never win the big one, or they're never gonna win a big one. And now we look at them and go, are they never not gonna be in the big one? Are they ever gonna not come through in a big game?


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[Assistant] And I do think Joe Burrow has changed your perception a little bit in the culture there. One thing I said, again, he has presence on the field. He rises the, raises the level of play of the other guys around him. And I know from multiple people there within the organization that


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[Assistant] He's the leader of the football team and was the leader of the football team by about week five of last year. So he has a real effect on the whole organization. And that's what I like about him too.


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[Assistant] Yeah baby, thank you Woodford Reserve, and I'm sorry for my swears during that segment. There was a lot of them in there, right? There was a lot. I don't know, yes, I don't know. You know, I just get-


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[Assistant] You get fired up. I get fired up about the narratives, so when I talk about them, and I now am trying to dispel narratives that are just annoyed, I just- You visualize-


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[Assistant] Again, you can win with Big Ben. Uh, I think, again, what we saw, you know, the second half of the year, the playoffs, listen, of course, yeah, there's concerns with Big Ben and he's not the guy he once was. They need to change the formula around them. But I think the biggest thing more than anything is, you know, this group of guys right there can play the game


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[Assistant] As clean as Big Ben as far as taking care of the football. So I don't go like, oh, Big Ben's older. He takes care of the ball. He understands it. These guys are pretty good at that. And where I would just go, they have a distinct advantage in my opinion right now is what they can do off schedule a little bit. You know, Borough is special that way.


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[Assistant] Baker is also good, even though we might not look at it and you watch it sometimes and you go, and then if I turned on the film, I'd go, look, he made a nice move in the pocket here to avoid this guy and then set his feet and threw a 20 yard laser down the middle of the field that I don't think Big Ben could have done, right? Which is funny.


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[Assistant] You do, you do, and it's one of those things where when you go back, that's why I like to go back and watch. I'm not gonna sit here, I don't, I'm not gonna lie to you guys, I don't sit here and go back and watch the whole season and every throw and I write notes and all. No, I go back.


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[Assistant] Cherry pick some plays and some games. Just to give myself thoughts.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's what comes to your mind more than anything with that specific topic. You know, Big Ben, again, he's kind of a statue, his arm's good, but it's not great.


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[Assistant] Alright, and then yes, the ability to make those plays off schedule and do those things to me is not on the same level of those other three right now.


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[Assistant] You know, cause I don't know enough about Jordan Love. Jordan Love was a project last year. He couldn't dress for the Green Bay Packers in any game.


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[Assistant] That, like, I don't think people really realize how big that is. Someone needs to fly a banner over a Green Bay training camp and go, the guy that we picked a 24 and traded up for did not dress in a game last year.


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[Assistant] That means there's like, whoa, we can't even trust him to be the backup. Whoa, we don't even want to waste a roster spot on him dressing to be the third.


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[Assistant] So, he was a project in RAW coming in. He hasn't played, he hasn't done anything. He didn't dress, he didn't get pre-season, and he didn't get a normal off-season in his rookie year. So I just don't know where he is. I don't, I don't.


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[Assistant] You know? So I gotta see a little something first. I do. And I know that some of his good can be real good. I do.


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[Assistant] But as I stated back then when he got drafted, there's some throws and things you see when he was coming out where you just go, damn, you can't do that. How could you throw the ball like that? Do that. You know, I still see, I see some pictures of him and videos of him on things where clips from the, from their OTAs and things like that, where I go,


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[Assistant] Man, that's not the position you want to be in to throw the ball. I don't know how that's gonna lend itself to a proper result. But I just gotta see more before I can throw him on there in front of some other guys that I just have a little more confidence in.


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[Assistant] So Jordan has more things to work on. I think so, a little bit. There's a few more kinks in there that now I'll say when Jordan Love puts it all together I go wow with his throws more than I do Trey Lance.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's a big thing there. So I, I just, uh, Jordan Love, uh, I just, I have no, no info on yet.


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[Assistant] Mahomes and Andy Reid texted me this last week and they said they're gonna kick your ass when they see you.


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[Assistant] I can't believe you think they would take on Dak Prescott and Mac McCarthy. But they're still in the back half.


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[Assistant] Frank Reich is 6'4". Yes. He's 59. Yes, okay. Still a good 59. But you're right, 6'4", yeaah. He's a big dude. I bet you Frank's around 240-something, at this point in his life. And Carson Wentz, in all seriousness, I'm just trying to think here as I look off the top.


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[Assistant] We know Cam Newton's the biggest quarterback in football, right?


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[Assistant] I'm probably missing one of the guys there as far as, but they're like, they're the next guys to be the biggest quarterbacks in football. I mean, he is a big dude. I was shocked with how big Carson Wentz is when I saw him in person. So, uh, they could, they could do some damage.


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[Assistant] He's, like, he hits the weights, McVeigh. He does. That's for sure. So, he's got real power. Like, real power. Like, definite. Like, I mean, he's got, like, when you shake Sean's hands, you can feel, like, the muscle. He's been in the weight room.


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[Assistant] I mean that's for sure. Some big time power there. So it is a tough scrappy group here. You're going with the tough scrappers over the size and strength group that you just put right behind them.


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[Assistant] They are. They are both formidable. I would, I would agree with that too. You're right.


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[Assistant] I don't think so. I mean, listen, his stare is worth enough for me. He's scary when he just stares at you. You would not want to fight. You'd lose the desire to fight. He's got that stare where you're just like, I don't know what he's thinking. Does he want to beat the crap out of me or is he just like sitting there enjoying the day? I don't know. Yeah. You know, but he is that kind of guy and yeah, real strength. I mean, come on. It's Ron Rivera.


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[Assistant] Played in the NFL. I mean, geez, no doubt about it. Um, yeaah, the Fitzpatrick thing, I think is the thing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, youth is a big thing. It's a youth play here. I mean, like, really, what's youth worth, right? Like, how much...


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[Assistant] If you're, alright, the guy that's 59, right? Yes. Like, if you were both 39, he would've kicked your ass then, right?


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[Assistant] But how much does he like, what does that really work 20 years later and 38 to compared to a 58 or something like that?


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[Assistant] No doubt. Or he's just old and he just tires out. Exactly. Right. So that's, I hear you. The youth thing has to be the real, the real conversation. And Herbert,


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[Assistant] I should have put in the list with that other quarterback you just talked about. Along with Dak Prescott probably. That's who I probably missed. The other guy. Those are the biggest quarterbacks in football. So, okay. I'm not gonna fight back against that. I'm with you in the youth thing. I think the youth thing is worth a lot. It really is.


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[Assistant] Joe judge kicks some ass. For sure. For sure. I wouldn't mess with Joe.


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[Assistant] He's an intense dude. He's from Philadelphia, so he's not afraid of confrontation. You know that, right? Daniel Jones is big. And you can say what you want about Daniel Jones. One thing I'd be confident is that he could take a punch. He could take a hit. He's been getting hit his first three years in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Would he be aggressive enough? That's the big thing. That would be the big thing. You're right, right. Would he throw enough haymakers and connect and do things like that? But judge...


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[Assistant] I'm with you in the fact that he's a real difference maker in the coaches battle there.


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[Assistant] The fact that he played DB, I mean, it shows you there's something there. There's athleticism, there's strength, there's gotta be explosiveness. Even in the Ivy League, yes, I don't care. I had friends that played in the Ivy League. They were legit athletes, so it's not like, oh yeaah.


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[Assistant] Like, oh, it's in the Ivy League, it doesn't matter if it was a DB. No, there's something to that, especially if he was starting and playing at that kind of level. And then...


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[Assistant] Baker like, Baker's like stout, has real power and explosiveness.


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[Assistant] You're like, if you see Baker in person, yeah, he's 6'1", okay, but he's got like


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[Assistant] Shoulders of like a guy that's 6'3 or 6'4. He's got really long arms, pretty big hands.


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[Assistant] He's thick. Like there's some ass and some chest on Baker Mayfield. So he's in a movie around and you know, he's tough and bad about it too. So I'm with you there too. I like that. He has Stefanski a little undersized, but the youth makes up for it and like DBs are psycho tough. So hitting people's


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[Assistant] He's a psycho. I don't deny that. Which is what you need. There's no doubt. Uh, Trevor Lawrence? I don't know. I don't know. Big quarterback. Big, strong, athletic. I mean, yes. Has all the tools.


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[Assistant] I think you're a little high with this group. I think you're a little high with them.


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[Assistant] There's no quarterback, this is the strongest Taysom Hill in football right now. I mean, he's, he's the strong, like, if we had to do a power cleaning.


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[Assistant] Squatting contest. He's gonna out squat everybody. I don't even care if the guys are bigger than him. There's nobody gonna squat more than him. And yeah, his twitchiness and explosiveness is not of the quarterback realm. He is a little different that way. You know, his twitchiness and explosiveness goes into the


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[Assistant] Almost a Lamar- Lamar Jackson great running back, except he's got like a tight end build as far as a body. He is gonna kick some ass.


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[Assistant] Sean's like, but Sean is like another one of those like, I don't know, you just look at Sean, I feel like he would know how to fight and figure it out. He might have a dip in his mouth and he might drink a cold beer right before he gets into the fight. But if he does that, I feel better about it. I think he'd probably be a better fighter like that. I feel better about that. Yeah, I would too. And yeah, I just feel like he'd have like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, and how old is Sean? Early 57? He's 57? He's that old? Okay, so he's young 57 to me though. I didn't think he was that old.


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[Assistant] I mean, again, it's like the old, uhm, if you wanted to know why they call it a quad, as in four muscles, there's all four for you. Uhm, holy crap. That's like just amazing though.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, that's where, that's where again, like, you know, I know we've had this conversation, running backs are just a different animal than most people on the planet. There's just nobody with the...


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[Assistant] I mean, it's all been running back pictures, I feel like. Everything we've looked at through OTA so far, it's always like, look at this running back's freak legs. You're right. I mean, it's always a running back. It's thickness, it's power, they have everything. They have the track legs, whatever you want. And here he's got a little in between.


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[Assistant] And it's like, like that Mike Davis picture, it's caught his leg like- Perfectly. Perfectly as I think he just put that left leg into the ground, right? So it caught it just with everything firing and like that, but it's like, how do you not pull a quad muscle with a quad like that?


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[Assistant] Uh, either way, it's quadtastic is what it is. I mean, it's unreal. I mean, it's just, he's got just such real thickness. It doesn't really matter what angle you catch his leg in. It's gonna look big no matter what. Uh, it's cool. He's having fun with that. It really is. Like, quadzilla though.


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[Assistant] That's copyright infringement. I believe people called Saquon that. I really believe they called Saquon that. He was Saquod, but I feel like Quadzilla came out of that as well.


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[Assistant] The Quadfather's new, that's a good one. I have not heard of that one, and it's very well done, and that's the Godfather real...


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[Assistant] 2000 to 2019, now we get to see everybody's. Uh, so it's pretty cool that way, but Goody's having fun with it. I mean, there's no doubt.


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[Assistant] Well I'll even one up it there too, like I love the snap count, love the running back pictures, and if you want to do a snap count and send a picture of your own quads in too, I would love that, that would be great.


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[Assistant] Alright, so that's it. Alright, we did it. We got lots of lists, lots of talk, we did it all today. That was a lot of stuff.


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[Assistant] She doesn't know. She's asleep. She's asleep. She's asleep. She's like, I've gone to the hell with this place. Alright, everybody. Wednesday, we're back in the fold. More of the Chris Sims Top 40 quarterback countdown. Countdown. Keep the questions coming. We had some good ones today. And again, I mean...


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[Assistant] Some of these are tough. They're nitpicky. So if there's something I didn't quite explain the right way, hopefully I can get more in the weeds or detail it a little bit better to make you feel better about my rankings or you don't have to feel good about it either way. Just say, no, Chris is an idiot and I don't like those rankings either way. But you the man. Thanks for today.


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[Assistant] Oh, yeah, baby, that's right. We're back. It's Thursday. We got more Kristen's quarterback top 40, uh, countdown. Paulie Burmeister in the fold. He is wearing jeans.


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[Assistant] Alright, thank you, thank you. I know you did think, I'd, I'd never doubt that about you. You're a thoughtful person, and uh, we had a lot of fun with it.


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[Assistant] Right? Back in the day we had fake ones, right? Right? Yeah. So we're calling out the pod there, but people realize once they stood up and they could still hear me. But what did I do? That is the million dollar question. Yes. I did nothing.


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[Assistant] I did nothing. What did Pete do? No, see? This is where we're going with this. I like that you're asking these questions. See, what has happened to me in the last week is I've realized Ahmed Farid has become really big here at NBC. Oh, I knew that. Yes, I did. Well, he definitely has. I mean, Chris asked for the mics.


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[Assistant] Man, the next pod he was involved, they were in here doing it, hooking it up. So I mean, he just asks and he receives.


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[Assistant] I become obsessed with this mic through PFT because it's right in front of my face for two hours every morning and it is a little bit of a crutch and I do like putting my hand on it every now and then and talking and doing that. Yes. My problem though. Yeah. Okay.


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[Assistant] We're gonna hit on a few things as far as AMAs. Just got some people asking some questions about prior rankings, right? All of that.


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[Assistant] Woodford Reserve. I mean, I don't think so. I don't think he had a hand in this. This one is


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[Assistant] This is the debut of them sponsoring Woodford Reserve, the top 40 quarterback Christmas rankings, so that's awesome. That is so cool. Pumped about it. Yeaah. You know, I mean, it's coming up.


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[Assistant] We're gonna get some to the house. I'll send some your way. No doubt about it. Some whiskey bourbon, right? I mean, from Kentucky, it just seems like it fits. Big Phil likes whiskey bourbon. He grew up not far down the road. I'm actually gonna ask him if he's ever been to that distillery. He knows anything. Yeah. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna lie, I'm not a big, dark liquor drinker on the usual. It's kind of usually a special occasion, or if like my dad or somebody I'm friendly with is drinking it, then I'm like, okay, yeaah, I'll do it with you and we'll hang and do that.


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[Assistant] It's something that I've kinda just gotten a little taste for like the last year and a half.


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[Assistant] So, so, uh, I'm getting there is what I'm telling you. I don't know if I know the differences all the time between, oh, this is really good or this is what I like. Uh, I'm kind of learning on the fly.


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[Assistant] I mean, and honestly too, when you're that age, it doesn't taste good. So you're probably like, you might encourage them never to drink again.


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[Assistant] Let's go it. Let's do it. 25, Jameis Winston, New Orleans Saints, okay? Jameis Winston's one of those guys, hey, he's a hard guy to place. We know his top end play is special. It is.


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[Assistant] But we know again, it's the old adage with Jameis Winston, the, the, you know, the bottom end play is really bad at times. Now I don't expect that if he does get a chance here to play with Sean Payton. I think he's going to clean things up and hopefully he's learned from Drew Brees and his approach and all those things too. But he's a hard guy to get a feel for exactly of where he is and


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[Assistant] You know, this process right now, because, hey, two years ago, yea, he played from the bucks and we know he did some good things, but,


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[Assistant] You know, O was really, really careless with the ball almost that whole entire year and still too many plays of like, wait, you've played too long and too good in certain spots to make those plays as we've discussed. So we'll see. Can Sean Payton beat that out of him a little bit?


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[Assistant] I would bet on yes, but I don't know that yet. You know, so Jameis Winston's one of those guys that I look at and I go, yeah, he's sitting here at 25. He ends up being the starter with the New Orleans Saints.


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[Assistant] You know, and I look at, I look at Jameis and of course, yes, it'll be a different offense if he's the quarterback as compared to Taysom Hill. I think if Jameis is the quarterback, yeaah, it's gonna look a little bit more like the Drew Brees offense.


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[Assistant] Except they'll be the more aggressive down the field element that, you know, Drew kind of lacked in the last few years because he was getting up there in age. But it is, uhm, with Winston, you know, underrated athlete.


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[Assistant] That's the one thing I don't think people realize and just, I remember last year when I went back and watched film for the top four, I just remember looking, damn, does he make a lot of plays moving around the pocket? And not like that he scrambles outside of the pocket and does Mahomes, Josh Allen things, but he gets out of the pocket.


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[Assistant] And still makes plays there that way, maybe not to the extent I'm talking about with them, but there is that aspect and then he does have size and toughness to just hang in there in the pocket and go, go ahead, hit me. I don't care. I'm going to throw the ball down the field and do that. He rarely, you know,


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[Assistant] Loses control of the football in a lot of ways. I mean, he's pretty consistent throwing that way. It's about just when and when not to take a chance. And those are the things that he has to learn. And I would think that, yeah, that experience with Sean Payton and Drew Brees has changed his approach. Now it's just going out there and doing it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, I think, you know, Sean Payton, he's not gonna be like, over...


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[Assistant] Like, okay, here's the time not to. He, he knows how to coach that. Drew, you know, lost the aggressive part because he lost the confidence in his arm a little at the end of the year, at the end of his career here, the last two or three years. I'll also say to that, like, listen, I'm not even taking away from this. That's great stat. Football's changed the last few years too, where it's like,


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[Assistant] You know, kinda like you're saying, the era we grew up in, 15 or 16 interceptions,


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[Assistant] Was like, of course he did. Everybody should throw that. All the good quarterbacks do. But that's changed in the last four or five years, where just


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[Assistant] Turnovers, turnovers, turnovers, turnovers, turnovers are all anybody talks about. It's become a real big thing in judging the quarterback position to where, yes, that's a little much for this day and age now. But, you know, again,


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[Assistant] Like, let's throw those stats up, and if anybody's not, you know, not watching on, on YouTube or anything like that, throw the James Winston stats, if you can, Kristen, one more time. Just because...


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[Assistant] Look at s- some of that stuff is really damn good. I mean, really damn good.


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[Assistant] You know, yards per attempt, past TDs. I mean, all those are towards the top of football. You know, but...


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[Assistant] The decision making is the biggest thing and that's why he was first in interceptions and 28th in completion percentage.


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[Assistant] He has a little bit of that Brett Farb, I can fit it in there, make a play, do something that way. And the time sacked is high too. It definitely is. Well, it's the, it's the same disease. It's, let me hold on the ball. Let me see if there's something else I can get better. Let me see if I can make this play. Wait, there's three guys hanging on me. I want to be able to still throw to Mike Evans down the middle. Oh, I got sacked.


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[Assistant] No, throw it away. Whatever, find a shorter completion. Those are the things he's gotta get better at. And, uh,


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[Assistant] Yeah, we'll see. I would think he'd gotten better in all areas, but we just gotta see it and see where he's at within his game.


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[Assistant] Well, Stafford for sure. Just because I think he's, he's the man. I mean, I think Stafford is one of those guys that, you know, I'm hoping the whole world's gonna realize how good Stafford really is this year now that he has a team around him. It'd be a fun story. Yeah, I mean, that's what I'm hoping for because I've always been a guy in his corner and, you know, he's really damn good. So I'm going with him.


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[Assistant] Jamus is just predicated on does he get on the field and does he play.


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[Assistant] If he does end up being the starter, I would say yes, I would expect him to have better results than Jared Yaff. He's just got more talent. Of course he's got a better team, a better, more proven offensive coordinator around him. Good defense. Right. You know, it's a little bit like the Carson Wentz thing with Jameis Winston here, where you can go,


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[Assistant] Hey, it wasn't the best defense down there in Tampa. They weren't the same team they are right now. Right. You know, they didn't have a running attack.


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[Assistant] And, he did have to, a lot of times, kinda carry the team to a degree with the passing attack, and doing those type of things. So, I had a point I was gonna finish off there, and I can't remember, I just totally blanked on it, but, but, uhm,


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[Assistant] Yeah, that, that, that to me is the overarching thing, and even within some of those negative stats we talked about there. The other thing too that gets lost in some of that,


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[Assistant] Cause we only talk about interceptions and touchdowns and completion. You know, the fumbles are an issue with him too. All the same reason, holding the ball, trying to make too much happen, guy hanging onto me. I'm still trying to throw it. He swats it away, whatever. And so too many of those plays led to the loss.


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[Assistant] Losses of football games because of, you know, his, his inability to reel it in a little bit. So we'll see where it goes. I'm rooting for Jamus. Uh, but if he does become the starter.


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[Assistant] With that team and everything like that. Let's watch and enjoy and see how he does.


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[Assistant] I'm going with Taysom Hill. I gave him the slight advantage. Taysom Hill, number 24, New Orleans Saints. Hey listen, it's tough. You know, I understand. Taysom Hill's not your traditional quarterback. From the traditional quarterback standpoint, I would rank Jameis Swinson in front of Taysom Hill.


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[Assistant] But the thing is, tradition is gone. Sorry, the NFL has changed. Quarterbacks don't just stand in the pocket and pick you apart anymore. There's more to it than that. And that's where like, Taysom Hill has to be evaluated less as a quarterback, but a little bit more like the guys that are in his mold of a type of quarterback. A force. A force of nature.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it might not always be 70% picking you apart.


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[Assistant] But it's gonna be more about his skill set, what it brings to the offense, and then the pressure he puts on the defense, where it can't be quantified with stats or quarterback ratings, but you can come away and I can watch games with you last year and go, look at this, this team had to play this defense because they're worried about Taysom.


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[Assistant] So now this guy's open on a pass game. Oh, look at this. They're playing this defense cause they're worried about this one pass play. Sean Payton likes to run and they got to respect the Taysom Hill run game. So now they're compromised and stopping this one area. That's where you have to look at the Taysom Hills of the world and evaluate it. So yeah, I don't know if he's as good as a pure, he's not as good as a pure passer as Jameis Winston.


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[Assistant] He takes care of the football, he's a special runner, he does throw the ball and have an elite power in his arm.


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[Assistant] He's pretty damn accurate. He really is. And I just think that will continue to get better and better as we go. As I said last year, he was towards the bottom of my top 40 rankings last year and it was more predicated on


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[Assistant] You know, yea, the few snaps you got at quarterback the year before that and the preseason, cause I remember that preseason just going, man, the 2019 preseason, I believe it was, where I just went, Taysom Hill's starting to look really comfortable at quarterback. Like, he's moving the offense and doing things. Then we got to see four games last year. It was really, it was real good.


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[Assistant] You know, it was. I know they lost to the Eagles. It wasn't because of Taysom Hill. There was a lot of issues that went on.


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[Assistant] They went three and one. Damn, exactly right. So that's what I guess I'm saying there. It was a really tough call. Takes some hill courses, a tough placement.


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[Assistant] But I am a believer in his top end ability and the fact that again, just like we gave Jamis Winston, you've been there with Sean Payton and Drew Brees. Well, he's been there longer and he's learned some things too. Uh, it'll be a different offense if he takes over, but yeah, I'm going to give him the edge over, over a guy like Jamis right now.


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[Assistant] Is that right? Yes, it does. You know, all of that went into my thinking there a little bit. But yes, I think he's a little bit better and trustworthy, I guess I'll say.


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[Assistant] Doesn't turn the ball over as much. Doesn't turn the ball over as much. Exactly right. It's going to get a lot of simple defenses like a Lamar Jackson or a Kyler Murray at times because you're worried about the quarterback design runs, right? So defenses like, well, we don't want to bring this crazy blitz or do this crazy disguise coverage because


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[Assistant] If he keeps the ball and the backside guard pulls and Alvin Camaro leaves him up, whoa, we're going to be in a big problem here with run fits and things like that.


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[Assistant] So that's the pressure he puts on you. And I just think between the talent,


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[Assistant] Some of the success we saw last year, you know, let's not forget, I believe in those four games, like Michael Thomas was there, barely there, maybe just getting back into the fold, right? You know, if not there at all until the very end. Uh, so, and I just think,


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[Assistant] I'm giving, I'm saying he's going to be the weak one starter because he's Sean Payton's baby. This is his toy. This is his project. You know, so yeah, I think he's a little bit better than Jameis, but as far as the starting is concerned, you know, I've heard nothing but, you know, waxing poetically.


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[Assistant] Out of New Orleans and Sean Payton love of Taysom Hill for the last three years. And I also have heard that


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[Assistant] Sean Payton's kind of excited to approach offensive football a little different way and those type of things. Now, I don't think he's gonna like go out of his way if Jameis Winston just outperforms him or pre-sees in a training camp to where he'll be like, well, this is my pet project. I like him. I'm going to start him. Even though this guy was better. No, I think it'll be a fair competition, but I think that Taysom has the edge at least going in to where as long as he doesn't get up, that I think he'll have the edge to be the starter week one.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, I think, you know, his extension was a little more on...


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[Assistant] You know, they didn't know the future. He definitively kinda looked like the future at that point. And...


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[Assistant] He actually has a role in other positions in our offense. Like he's valuable to our team, so we can't just let him go. So they paid him like, yea, high end backup quarterback money.


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[Assistant] Plus, you do all these other things to make it-


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[Assistant] To, to just basically figure out the salary cap and help the saints out. That's really what that was about. Yeah.


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[Assistant] His feel for the game and I think just his control of the football, like where I was expecting like, yeah, this could be more exciting and fun cause he's got a big arm and he'll be able to stretch the field.


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[Assistant] But I think the thing I was more amazed by was like, oh, pinpoint back shoulder throw. Whoa. You know, little quick stick wrap that you see, you know, Breeze be so good at like, look off the linebackers just a little and boom, put it right in the right spot in a tight window for a short throw. Like all of that was...


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[Assistant] Really smooth and better than I thought. I mean listen, it was 70%. You said what you want.


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[Assistant] And I would tell you that 70% with probably a higher degree of difficulty of throws to what Drew Brees got, you know, and I'm not trying to be disrespectful to Drew Brees, just the fact that again,


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[Assistant] Third team, third on the team in rushing, second in touchdown rushes, eight touchdowns, so you gotta put that into the game plan too.


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[Assistant] You know, we can't just come away with, I know I waxed, I talked about this or ranted a little last week. We can't come away from these running quarterbacks and only talk about their passing numbers to make it convenient for your argument that they're not quite good enough.


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[Assistant] No, that's not fair. I wish people would stop doing it. I think when they do touchdown passes or anything like that, it should always have to, you have to put the other stuff on there too. It's, it's a part of the game. It's like sometimes I see that with Josh Allen, where they do that and I want to go, but he had


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[Assistant] 14 touchdown, you know, 12 touchdown runs. But nobody talks about that because...


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[Assistant] We'd rather pick apart the passing or something like that, but that's a part of evaluating this and it's not your traditional quarterback, but I'm excited for Taysom Hill.


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[Assistant] We'll go with Michael. Old school. Old school, I guess. We got to go with Michael first. He's the man. Alright, so alright, number 23.


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[Assistant] Ryan Fitzpatrick. Yes, Ryan Fitzpatrick. Okay, here's my first thing I want to say about Ryan Fitzpatrick. He went to Harvard, did you know that? I know, I'm joking. That's all I feel like, everybody always says that. But here's what, this is my first thing, and I wrote this down on one of my mock


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[Assistant] Top 40s that I wrote cause I wrote the list out like 5 different times. Of course.


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[Assistant] Fitts tragic is over. Get over it. It's done. See, I'm not gonna hold myself to that thought anymore. Even though like, listen, that was a real thing for a time where it was either Fitts Magic or then the next game was Fitts Tragic. We've seen enough years here of, it's not really Fitts Tragic anymore. That's just, that's bullshit old stuff. Let's evolve, let's self-scout thyself.


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[Assistant] That's not bad. It's not perfect. Right. Exactly right. You know, but again too, you can get into their team, how they played, lack of playmakers or receiver, all those things. It's not tragic. Exactly right. That's the point. And Fitzpatrick too, you know, he brings a few things to the team. First off, he's aggressive.


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[Assistant] He makes plays in the pass game with his arm and his aggressive decision making and things like that. And you can see he's grown here just in the last six seasons in all statistical categories. But the other thing I'll too, I'll give, you know, where I gave Ryan Fitzpatrick maybe a little bump too.


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[Assistant] As compared to other guys that we don't look at as like big time stars or, you know, franchise type quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] Moves pretty well. Moves way better than you think. Every game you watch Ryan Fitzpatrick, there's a few scrambles or runs where you go, man, I forgot he can do that. It was third and eight and he got a 10 yard game. Stuff like that. He's very good at that. And,


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[Assistant] Listen, you don't have to agree with me. Here, you tell me.


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[Assistant] I think he brings a little edge to the football team. I think there is a leadership factor with Fitzpatrick. Even though everybody knows he's not the franchise of the future,


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[Assistant] He has a way and an edginess about him and how he acts on the field and he does all these crazy things and his beard and oh the guy pulled my head off and I still threw a 30 yard completion for a first down in the Raiders game right? There is an edge about his game that is infectious to a football team and that's why I gave him a little


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[Assistant] Exactly. I think that's what it is. That's exactly what it is. And, you know, your thing with the interceptions, like, it's like what we talked about with Jameis.


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[Assistant] Ryan found the governor or the break a little bit to go like, wait, this is aggressive.


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[Assistant] This is stupid. He found the difference. And that's where I think he's evolved. And listen, the way he played last year, he totally justified he could have stayed there in Miami and been the starter one more year. There's no doubt about it. His play was good enough to still be the starting quarterback there. Let's not forget that.


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[Assistant] He got replaced and moved on because they drafted a quarterback in the top 5.


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[Assistant] They didn't want any more problems with this conversation.


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[Assistant] Did not look as good as Ryan Fitzpatrick. It's caused issues. So that's why he's out of there. Great signing by Washington. Ron Rivera's already sending them signals about how talented the offense is and Fitzpatrick doesn't need to do it himself. So he's working his psychological magic into like, I like your aggressiveness, but you don't need to be crazy. I'm a defensive coach, okay?


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[Assistant] They do, they got weapons. I'm excited to kind of watch them on offensively this year. I think they could be one of those teams that kind of sneaks up in the league where we go, whoa, they're explosive. So Ryan Fitzpatrick, there he is, number 23.


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[Assistant] You saw that, right? Right. Which was an interesting comment to basically admit that man, Cam Newton had to do everything for us a little down there.


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[Assistant] Definitely, yes, yes, a hundred percent, you know. Jared Goff was probably around 23 and they went to the Super Bowl that year, you know, for me. So that doesn't mean, that doesn't mean anything to me that way.


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[Assistant] They can, he makes enough plays, that defense is special as we know, and it only got better this offseason. It really did. You know, with other, whether it's the draft pick, uh, out of Kentucky, Davis, right? And then, you know, the, uh, the, uh, my man William Jackson, a corner from Cincinnati,


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[Assistant] So, you get him. Yeah, got Curtis Samuel on the offensive side of the ball. Got my mofo Diyami Brown as your third receiver now. You know, we'll see. I hope Antonio Gibson's turf toe is okay. Because it's supposedly still giving him a little issue here. I just read something on Twitter that, like, he didn't get surgery and everything. He's talented. They need him.


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[Assistant] But I think the Washington football team is, yes, one of those handful of teams that I would just go, I know they made the playoffs last year, we didn't think they were a real threat to do anything.


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[Assistant] But watch out for him this year. I really do. I think they improved the parts of their team that were a question. And, uh, I, I look for them to kind of make a jump. They're gonna win. I'm taking them to win the NFC East. Right now. I'm just telling you. I've already said it before. I'm still going with it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'd definitely like to have his brains, without a doubt. Yes, I definitely would. Harvard and Texas, similar. Ah, not exactly.


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[Assistant] Man, I love me some Big Ben. Yes, he's fallen down the rankings a little bit. I think...


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[Assistant] I think it's pretty obvious of why. Come on, anybody watching football last year? It wasn't his best year. There's no doubt about that. I don't know how banged up he was. I know he played through some knee injuries and things like that. He was coming back from the elbow surgery. Yeah, I get it. I know he had to deal with that.


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[Assistant] You know, I still think he's got talent. I do. I still think you can win a Super Bowl with Big Ben.


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[Assistant] You know, it was, it was underwhelming towards the end of last year. Whether it was...


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[Assistant] You know, I thought, my arm looks good, and he was moving around a little bit. I know he's acknowledged, he banged up his knee.


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[Assistant] I think in the first week of the year against the Giants a little bit, but then did it again, like maybe week four or five where he kind of got both knees in one game. And I thought when I went back and watched film and I said this because I did this earlier this off season where


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[Assistant] I saw a definite significant drop in his game at that point. Week four, I think it was, maybe week five, with just lack of movement in the pocket. Everything became the dink and dunk. Let me look for the short throw. And listen, I don't know if that's all him.


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[Assistant] But I think of course he has a great influence in it. He acknowledged he might have changed some run plays to those type of pass plays. And I also think that


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[Assistant] You know, Randy Fickner and all those were probably bowing down to Big Ben to a degree into what he wanted to do as well. I still think he's got a good arm to


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[Assistant] Make big plays down the field. I saw enough big throws last year. And I know the other day, like Paul, he made a comment like, oh, I did have reconstructive surgery because he was, he was asked about his lack of deep ball throwing.


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[Assistant] I'm sure he wasn't at 100%. I can't sit here and say though on film that I felt like


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[Assistant] His elbow was a part of the issue. I don't think that. He let, he was second and third in football and passing attempts. So if his arm was really bothering or not a hundred percent, I don't think Pittsburgh would have thrown the ball six hundred and eight times is what I'm saying. And I believe that's the exact number if I recall correctly here.


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[Assistant] Sometimes lack of aggressive throws down the field. All of those things. I think that's where right now I just question where Big Ben is at.


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[Assistant] You know, and that's why I put him at 22. Yeah, I, I, I, that's, that's really the biggest reason. And...


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[Assistant] I just, I do want to emphasize, I do think they can still win with him. This is not like, oh man, he's 22, it's over. No. They just gotta, they gotta do the right thing on the offensive side of the ball to help him.


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[Assistant] And be the best team they can be with this current roster they have.


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[Assistant] And that's to me, what I've said on PFT many times is going, they gotta take the Brady and Buccaneers route. That's...


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[Assistant] That's what the, which is, which is protect them, run the ball. And then when we do drop back.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we're pushing the ball down the field, but you're protected. We know you're older. Your body's beat up.


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[Assistant] And that's what happens to these old quarterbacks. You've heard me say that about Brady the last two years. That was my problem in the last year in New England. There was too many drop back to pass, kind of peeking over my shoulder. Wait, there's somebody open downfield, but he's already moved on to the short pass because he didn't feel protected.


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[Assistant] Tampa didn't do that. Tampa was all in on make Tom feel good.


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[Assistant] Pittsburgh's gotta do the same thing if they wanna win the Super Bowl and do that. Yes, exactly, they're trying. I think that's probably the focus of the organization this year.


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[Assistant] Attitude, physicality in the offensive line, run game. We can't expect our 39 year old quarterback to carry the team with 45 passes a game. Not realistic. So we'll see where Big Ben goes. I root for him. He's underrated in the all time pantheon of great quarterbacks in the history of football in my opinion.


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[Assistant] I think he's an all-time great. Borderline top ten in the history of the sport, I think. Yeaah. I do. Uh, but yes, not right now at this moment.


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[Assistant] I know. It does feel crazy to say it out loud. It makes me feel sad sometimes. It's one of my problems. Yes, I do.


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[Assistant] I mean, he's, you know, another guy that, listen, I don't, he's not gonna get back into the top 10. Those days are over.


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[Assistant] If I could see just like, little improvement and, you know, poppin', you know, hoppin' in the pocket and movin' around that way.


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[Assistant] And, you know, playing the game a little bit of a different way. He's definitely a guy that could be just outside the top 10 still. I believe last year, what did I have him? 12, 14, somewhere in there, right? So that's where he's, I still think he can get back up to that range, but it's hard for me to put him in front of some of these eyes right now with the, with


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[Assistant] You know, again, I don't think it was as good as everybody thinks when they were 10-0 and everybody was trying to shit on Chris Sims.


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[Assistant] Okay, so that was overrated. And then we saw towards the end of the year, there was a lot of underwhelming spots, including the playoffs. So that's where I just gotta, gotta see more, uh, and gotta see a little improvement there to bump them up.


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[Assistant] A bit of a pioneer. I agree. I think he is a little bit of a pioneer. He's not like


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[Assistant] I'm a Holmes Roger Scrambler, right? But he had this un- first off, he's the king of the pump fake in his prime. I mean, nobody was better at- I mean-


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[Assistant] Oh, sit in the pocket, move around. And then he was like Fred Flintstone with the little short steps and he would run around and be like, man, he's not that fast or that quick, but he's avoiding people and he's got people hanging on him and he's still throwing touchdown passes. That's where I think he's, he is underrated, let alone like in the all time fashion.


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[Assistant] So I think he is that way. And, you know, here's another thing that I, I just, I don't know if all fans realize this. They went to two Super Bowls.


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[Assistant] You know, his second and third trip there.


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[Assistant] Where their offensive line sucked. And I would go, I'm telling you.


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[Assistant] If you went back, they were one of the worst in football those years on the offensive line.


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[Assistant] Exactly right. They were not good offensive lines. He got hit a lot. They had, they had protection problems and all that. It's why his body fell apart a little bit. Yeah, the style of play, but man, he was getting beat up by not great pass protection and all that.


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[Assistant] But they knew at that time he was so good at throwing with people around that that's kind of where they cut some fat on the salary cap and did things like that.


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[Assistant] He was that great to overcome it to where I would go at that time.


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[Assistant] I don't think there's a lot of quarterbacks that were playing in the league that kind of overcame the obstacles with that offensive line. So I'd want to make sure I'd give a legend a first ballot Hall of Famer his due justice. But yes, right now I got some questions about his game.


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[Assistant] And, uh, we'll see where it goes. I root for Big Ben. I really do. I'm a big Mike Tomlin fan in the Steelers anyways, cause I know Mike and my back in my days in Tampa. So, uh, it's just natural and easy for me that way.


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[Assistant] I mean, of course, it's the first thing you have to think about. It's why the 49ers drafted a quarterback in the first round. Let alone, you know, listen, I understand people are going to be able to look at it in a base way. And Jimmy G does a lot of good things. I don't want to, you know, totally


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[Assistant] Crap on him here. I'm not, it's not about that. Okay? Cause there are a little good, a lot of good things and I'm gonna get into that.


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[Assistant] Also too, I guess I'm just fighting back about what I, you know, people say to me and I hear sometimes, Oh, well, look at his record. He never loses. Oh, wait, every time he said that, I get that. That's a good thing too. But damn, there's a lot of quarterbacks we could have put on that 49ers team and they're going to win games.


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[Assistant] You know, even high quality backups. The problem with the 49ers and why that stat looks so crazy sometimes is the 49ers have dropped the ball on good backup quarterbacks. They've had crap there.


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[Assistant] So they've lost a lot of football games that he's not in there just because it's, it's below average backup quarterback play. Right? And...


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[Assistant] Even when he's healthy and yes, they win and all that, they've sent you the signals. Yeah, we're winning. We don't think he's playing good enough still. They've been telling us for two years. Everything. Just listen to John Lynch or Kyle Shanahan.


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[Assistant] And let alone all the things we know about trying to trade, or get Tom Brady, or Matthew Stafford, or Sean Watson, and blah blah blah. And we're gonna trade to get the- So they're telling you that-


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[Assistant] Yeah, health is an issue, but even when he plays, we're not exactly in love with it. We're not like, oh man, he's awesome. We want to keep him for 10 years. There's issues there that way. You know, he's physically limited in his ability to move in the pocket or extend plays. And then his arm is really NFL average, but he has a quick release and great


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[Assistant] Like anticipation. So that saves him a little bit. And that's where he's really good. Man, he is good in the pocket and ooh, people around and he can kind of get his feet awkward and just flick it and do things like that and get the bottom of his hands really quick. So I love that aspect of him, but is he going to make plays out of the realm of the offense a whole lot?


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[Assistant] Absolutely not. And to me, that's where it kinda, he falls into the 21 category.


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[Assistant] It's a little bit of a combination. I think the availability was probably the most prevailing thing that like I thought of right away, right? But, but too, like, yeah, I think it's the rest of that to go with it. Whether it's, yeah, I know early last year they won some games. He was playing good.


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[Assistant] But I wasn't sitting there going, oh wow, this is amazing. You know, hey, they lost to Arizona on week one. You know, what was it? Week two? Was that the Jets game or the Giants game? I get them confused because weeks two Jets game looked pretty good, but that was the week he hurt his ankle.


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[Assistant] So you're going, okay, things are looking good, but even in those two games, I wasn't sitting there again going, oh wow, he's blowing me away with plays and throws and movement and all those types of things. Absolutely not. So, yeaah, I think it's that.


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[Assistant] You know, maybe even a little bit of the taste of the year before the playoff run where he was kind of incapable of making some big plays against the better defenses in football that year, all of those types of things. So, you know, big bet. I mean, uh, Jimmy G is a good quarterback to me. He is system dependent.


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[Assistant] He uh, he needs a system that is foolproof and then he can execute it and you're gonna win games.


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[Assistant] If the system doesn't deliver, I don't think he's the type of guy that's gonna make a few throws or a few plays in the pocket where you're just gonna be like, fuck me, he did it, they won the game, unbelievable.


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[Assistant] I think if you made me bet I'd probably take option one. But I feel like, this is something my dad said to me early on in the process and I know he's gonna be calling in here in a second. I would think


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[Assistant] There's still gonna be, like, it could be a year where Jimmy Garoppolo is the guy, but there's gonna be, you're gonna see Trey Lance in every game for a few plays. Maybe the way Taysom Hill used to do it. Exactly. Like, hey, here's a series, we got a few runs for him, an easy pass off these runs that we had designed for him.


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[Assistant] You know, experience is an issue with Trey Lance. The fan base is excited. We traded away three first round picks. So like you, you kind of satisfy that need. Shanahan can kind of get his head around how he wants to attack offenses for the future with Trey Lance.


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[Assistant] But, you know, the rest of the team doesn't have to go through the learning curve because they are in the Super Bowl window. I mean, they are. Damn, the 49ers are good.


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[Assistant] So that's where this whole thing with the 49ers is really interesting because they could go 13 and 4 and be the number one seed in the NFC with Jimmy Garoppolo and you just go, okay, so now what are you going to do for 2022? Right, and they're going to have to go to Trey Lance, I would think. At some point, for sure. So that's where I'm at with Jimmy G. Again, I like him, don't love him.


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[Assistant] There are physical limitations to his game but he does know how to play the position.


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[Assistant] And like I talked about, he's kind of good at hopping around in the pocket.


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[Assistant] You know, not needing to be in a perfect spot to throw a, you know, 10 yard curl or 15 yard curl down the middle. His feet can be cockeyed and he can kind of flick it there with his arm and he's got that quick release. But yeah, like I've said, uh, if the schematics fail, he's not the guy that's going to carry your team in a bad moment.


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[Assistant] Way to go. Woodford Reserve Bourbon. Yeah. Sponsoring the Chris Sims Top 40 Quarterback Countdown. What do you think about that, Big Phil? I heard you're on the phone here. You hear that? We got a little Kentucky Whiskey Bourbon sponsoring the countdown.


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[Assistant] It'll be good decoration, either way. Dad's like a...


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[Assistant] Once in a while, drinker. He's not, you know, I'm like,


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[Assistant] I kinda go hard on the weekends and enjoy my drinks. It sounds like you sip on a little something most nights.


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[Assistant] 25 to 21? I mean, listen, dad is always my number one talk to guy when I do my top 40 countdown. So, I mean, exactly. I have to, as I've discussed with you, I have to talk it out a little bit.


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[Assistant] I mean, dad and maybe two other friends I have in the NFL are the only people I talk to about these type of things and trust and go, oh, okay, yeaah, that's a really damn good point. So, I mean, dad I don't think is gonna have too many huge disagreements.


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[Assistant] He might, I mean, cause you know, dad might have said, oh, I would have put this guy above to that guy. Didn't mean I just listened to him all the way. I go, that's a good point. Sometimes I went, damn, that is the point. You're right. I'm moving him. You know, we had some fun conversations and a few other times he goes,


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[Assistant] I don't think I'd put it in. I made a few point. He goes, that's the point. You're right. Leave them there. And so we, we, that's where my dad is, is clutch. So what do you think? Anything that you look at, you know, 21 through 40, I did send you my list here a little while ago, just in case you wanted to digest it and research it a little more that you think's interesting on second thought or whatever.


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[Assistant] That's good you're saying, it's kind of like what we, I mean, you kind of just laid out exactly how I laid out the issues with him and why I made him behind Taysom Hill. Because I don't, you know, dad, like I said exactly kind of what you said. Yeah, if you were just going to say pure quarterback play.


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[Assistant] It is Jameis Winston, but I kind of explained it as like, we got to look, you know.


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[Assistant] Above and beyond that, at least in my opinion to where like Taysom Hill is a force of nature. That's how I kind of look at it. He's a weapon. It's different than how we look at the quarterbacks. And you know, I think with his running, he controlled the ball.


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[Assistant] You know what? I made it against my brother the other day too. Cause he said the exact same thing you did. My brother. He was over. He was over and I show, he goes, I want to see the whole list. So I show him the list. He goes, ah, no way. He goes, I'd have Jameson in front of taste them. And I said that to him and he did, he goes, well,


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[Assistant] And dad and I, again, we're going to the, we're going in the weeds here. Well, he grabs the ball, you know, like Brady, like two hands on two fingers on the laces, or they're grabbing the meaty part of the ball, the fatter part of the ball. But this, now this is in the weeds, but this is what dad and I do.


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[Assistant] If you look at some of these quarterbacks recently, Mahomes who has small hands, and, uh, I'm missing a few other guys here, Lamar Jackson, Zach Wilson's another one, exactly right, where


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[Assistant] The one top lace and then the pinky fingers underneath. So he's holding the really top part of the ball to where it doesn't matter how big his hands are. He doesn't need to have the Brett Farr meat cleaver that can grab the whole football and do that type of thing.


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[Assistant] And that'd be one thing that I would, if I had a Jameis Winston in the offseason, I'd experiment with them a little bit.


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[Assistant] Cause he went through a year where he wore a glove on his throwing hand. So that just tells you.


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[Assistant] Well, that's what guys do. It's like, you know, Brady went through that year too. Yeah. It's Ben Roethlisberger too. Some of the greats did it where they just, they lose a little bit with their mechanics or whatever and not doing the quite the right thing. And like what dad's talking about. And then they go, let me get the glove on because at least I can really just grip it. And I don't feel like it ever comes out of my hand funny.


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[Assistant] And when I, when you see anybody with a glove, I go, oh, they're having issues throwing the ball then. Yes. Right. Almost always.


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[Assistant] He's got, I would say move up a notch. Go 1 and under 4, 1 and 3, something like that. He could do that, uh, but we're in the weeds with that one for sure.


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[Assistant] No, no, Paul, that is the point. Natural throwers can be fixed. You can fix their mechanics. We've seen Rodgers and Brady do it throughout their career. We've already seen Josh Allen do it in the last two years. They fixed their mechanics. They refined it.


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[Assistant] So if you're a natural thrower, you can do those type of things. Too many of the times we talk about guys that are not really natural throwers, aka the Tim Tebow's of the world, and we try to say that, no, he was not put on earth to do that. Sorry. No, he can't do it. Nor can Blake Bortles. I don't care who, it's going to be hard to coach those things out of them. There's just not in them to do it. And then your point's the most important point that I say all the time. There's just only a few people in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you're right. Like, you're just like, oh, get your base wider. And then you're like...


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[Assistant] Okay, yeaah, you're right. I could have got a little wider. It's not a big thing, but all of a sudden you go, wait, that felt, that throw felt good. Wasn't really this big major thing, but it did it. And, and now like dad, tell him. I mean, dad played for 15 years. He had one guy, his whole career at the end of his career, who told him anything about throwing. Who was the one guy?


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[Assistant] That's what we do right now. There's no doubt. You're right. More than ever maybe.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you can have great control of it that way, you have great feel for it. Mahomes I feel like is getting a little to that point too, where he's just like, eh, I'll just stay on my back foot. I'm only gonna really drive and throw the heater when I need to.


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[Assistant] You know, 92 and then the right spot's fine for me. Tyree Kilken run and see you later touchdown chiefs. That's what they are a little bit right now. I had this conversation with my little boy the other day because I was like, man, well, he was throwing footballs and I'm going,


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[Assistant] You know, I mean, Aaron Rodgers is always a great one to watch. Who should I watch? His mechanics are pretty much flawless. They're perfect.


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[Assistant] Well, it looks like he always has the ball right by his ear, dad. It's like, I don't want to throw like that.


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[Assistant] I said, man, Philip, it's not right by his ear. I know it looks like that, but I promise you, if we go in there and watch it on YouTube right now, whatever, and we slow it down, his, when he throws the ball and releases, his arm is going to be totally straight.


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[Assistant] And on like what degree angle is that? A 45 degree angle.


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[Assistant] Really far from his body, but I know it looks like he's staying and like doing it like this, but when he really uncoils at full speed, it looks like that, but it really ends up like this. I wish people would watch on YouTube to see what it, what it really is. His, his hand in the ball.


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[Assistant] And his arm are maximized in leverage and away from his head.


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[Assistant] Then using the rotation his dad is talking about, that's what allows him to throw.


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[Assistant] Hail Mary's in Detroit that goes 70 yards far and 70 yards up in the air and almost hit the freaking rafters. That's why he can do that. It's the levers, the mechanics and the body positioning that we're talking about. Uhm, hey dad, one more thing or whatever here. I just want to ask you this about my, the rookie quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] You know, I had Zach Wilson at 27, Trevor Lawrence at 28. Would you have moved them in front of Daniel Jones?


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[Assistant] Right, that's uh, I kinda explained that with like, I actually used that as a part of the negative with Ben Roethlisberger saying I think he affected the way their offense looked last year. That was part of the reason I kinda gave Jimmy G the edge. I did try to explain that a few minutes ago before you go.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I-I-I'm hoping that Big Ben realizes it in the writings on the wall. Right. And that's why he offered to take less money, and then finally he'd just go, You guys want me to play this way? Okay. I'll freakin' do it. Whatever you say, let's do it. Uh, hopefully he's at that point in his career where it's come to that.


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[Assistant] Definitely. Dad, I'm so glad you brought this up. I've been meaning to bring this up. I've actually used, again, here's another one. Alright, I hate to, I'm dad. I'm a dad now.


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[Assistant] My little, well my little boys flag football team. He's got this coach who it's, he, oh, we're going to be, we're going to throw it short and just kind of nickel and dime our way down the field. And I couldn't take it. So last week I finally said something. I said, you know, one of the best things to throw the ball short is send everybody deep and just have one guy short.


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[Assistant] So, I, uh, I didn't learn that until like New England, or when I got around Josh McDaniels. They would have passing concepts that were very aggressive. It's, it's gronk, and it's Amandola, they're going down the field, and Brady knows, okay, wait, this coverage is the time for me to look at that, and maybe do it.


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[Assistant] But, he knew the right coverage and when those aggressive plays weren't gonna be there, and then he could look like, hey, I'm looking for Gronk downfield, I'm looking for Edmund Dola downfield.


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[Assistant] Even though he knows now on this defensive look, I got Edelman underneath against one linebacker and he can do anything he wants and there's no way they'll stop it. It's the best way to throw it short. You know, I played with Gruden who would, we're going to throw it short and all five guys went short. And it was like, I gotta throw this ball for four yard gain.


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[Assistant] It's all playful. I gave it to you last week real good. It was playful, but I really, I got you good last week.


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[Assistant] Woodford Reserve. Uh, but yeaah, like, I'm like, Dad, I, you know, I've worked and watched football all week, like, let's, like, I don't need to talk about it right now and all that.


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[Assistant] But I'm glad he brought up the Zach Wilson thing. I am, right? Because, uh, you know, dad and I, you know, yeah, he works out at a gym where I think he sees a lot of jet players. We know some people within the Jets organization. I mean, obviously there's no doubt about it. And we've just heard.


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[Assistant] Really nothing but rave reviews. And listen, I'm sure other teams have that too. I haven't talked to Kyle about trade lands. He probably don't want to tell me anything right now. So yeah, I haven't heard it. I haven't heard. I don't know anybody really in Jacksonville to have the update on Trevor Lawrence. But yeah, I've just heard Zach Wilson's been like, it's one jaw dropper after another.


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[Assistant] Oh yea, Miami and all that? Definitely. I do. I was really, I was really young. I don't know if I really knew that until I saw him in the NFL, maybe at the age of six or seven and would see those back. Uh, but yea, big Bernie, awkward body, awkward everything, but, and wearing a weird number, but winning games and putting the ball in the dime.


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[Assistant] I mean, I could see that. We always know the quarterback gets favoritism. He's really good. Their offense is really explosive. That's some damn list right there though. Like, that is some list. Who do you think is a better bet?


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[Assistant] What? McCaffrey? McCaffrey, yeaah. McCaffrey can have a, you know, 1400 yards runnin', 1000 yards receivin', and, I mean, Saquon Bar- yeaah. I mean, Nick Bosa, Von Miller? Yeaah. Holy crap-ola. I mean, that's a legit group right there. That's legit, like, up for grabs this year. Yeaah. With this group.


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[Assistant] You know, it's funny he asked the question, cause I can remember talking about Daniel Jones and actually thinking like, oh, this kind of sounds a lot like what I said with Drulok. And it is a very similar situation. There's really no excuses with the talent around you at this point, right? It's about what you do.


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[Assistant] Uh, you heard dad talk about Drew Lock. I'm gonna, I think Drew Lock has a higher ceiling than, than Daniel Jones. I do. You know, I'm not gonna say it's, like, by a huge amount.


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[Assistant] I see some special attributes with Drew Lock's talent, you know, kind of what dad's saying. I see an arm that I go, whoa, it's kind of a difference making arm. You know, he's a pretty good athlete. I don't know if he's as fast as Daniel Jones straight away, but I feel like he's better.


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[Assistant] You know, moving around the pocket has a little bit more of a better feel that way.


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[Assistant] Like, you know, we got into Daniel Jones in the last podcast, and I know you weren't here with Ahmed, but to me that's my number one critique. Again, it's still that statue in the pocket, totally unaware of what's around him, trying to do the right thing and go through the reeds, but it's just, it's 2021.


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[Assistant] That day in age is done. You gotta look and be aware of the pass rush every now and then. That's what my Holmes and Rogers do. You can't just be, I'm downfield, I'm downfield. Oh yeah, and there's four 300 pounders trying to get me and I'm never gonna look at them or pay attention and just stand here.


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[Assistant] That's gotta change about him. Uh, and I just don't think his high-end talent is quite as good as Drew Lock.


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[Assistant] Now, he's better at drew lock and kind of reining it in like dad was talking about and not being so careless with decisions, throwing the football.


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[Assistant] So that's where he has the advantage, but you know, Locke to me has some really specialness about his game. Locke can be a top 10 quarterback in football. Physically. Physically. He definitely can. And we'll just see if he can, like dad said, mature basically this year and do the right things and responsibility.


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[Assistant] So I think Herbert and Burrow were what, like 23 and 24-ish last year, Pete? Somewhere in there? Was that where we had them? I can look it up here too.


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[Assistant] They were not in the 20s. Yeah, Herbert was 37, so I didn't have him.


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[Assistant] Burrow was 26. So, I didn't go that far. You liked them more than that. I definitely did. Well, you know that. I loved Herbert. We had the governor on that.


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[Assistant] Oh, I had the governor on it. I didn't know what to expect as far as his growth and being able to handle the NFL. I think we talked about this a few weeks ago. I was worried about the offense he came in Oregon. I thought there was going to be a little bit of a learning curve there and some issues there.


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[Assistant] So that's where it is. You know, I, so I, uh, you know, again, I had a huge bump up for both of those guys in the top 10. When I did it like after week 11.


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[Assistant] Again, I hate to paraphrase my father for the second time here in five minutes, but I'm gonna pump the brakes a little bit about a guy I haven't seen and I just like to have a little bit more information.


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[Assistant] Rather than the guys of putting him in front of Jameis and Daniel Jones and Ryan Fitzpatrick, totally aware that their high end and talent is greater than those guys. Totally.


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[Assistant] But it's still the NFL. It's still an adjustment. And I gotta see it a little first before I can just put them in front of guys who I've seen and seen have success in the league already.


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[Assistant] Athlete. But athlete. And we had a lot of good athletes at our school. We really did. And it, uh, we were really good at lacrosse. I mean, really good. Not like the best team in the state, but always like top five in the state.


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[Assistant] So it is a lot of fun to watch. You're going to see some hits. Yes. And man, it is, it's physical and they got weapons and they can throw that ball hard. Like you couldn't pay me to be the goalie. You couldn't pay me over a hundred. Yeah, that's it. That's insane. So, uh, yeah, it is a cool watch. I find it kind of fun to watch on TV.


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[Assistant] I'll be checking you out. You gonna get a Belichick interview? I heard it's happening again. Are you really? Third year in a row.


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[Assistant] Oh wait, what about, do we, uh, last thing.


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[Assistant] Let's show, let me show this high school kid. Let's show him. I have a point. I know this has been a long podcast. You know, you scheduled it for two hours. We're going to go two hours.


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[Assistant] But, except, yes, it does. And what's this kid's name? Is it Tom Loy? Is that his real name? Okay. Who is this?


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[Assistant] Quinn Ewers, my bro, little boy shows me this last night on TikTok while I'm watching the NBA playoffs. Watch these throws. Just keep letting it go on loop if, if you can, Kristen or whatever. That's what I mean.


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[Assistant] Oh, Southlake Carroll, so he's throwing the ball 50 times a game. He's going to Ohio State. I mean, Ohio State already has a top notch, like, number one quarterback there right now, uh, as a freshman who's real good that I know about.


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[Assistant] It's the evolution of quarterbacking. You're gonna see every quarterback in football be able to do mahomes and jocks. Look at that, that was a piss missile. That was a missile.


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[Assistant] Like that guy dropped it right between his hands because he just didn't realize he guy throws it. This kid throws it so easy.


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[Assistant] And could throw it so hard, so easy that it's deceptive at times. That's what can happen to these type of guys sometimes. Cause you just go, oh, it doesn't look like you throwing it that hard and the ball's a perfect spiral. It looks like it's coming in smooth. And then all of a sudden it goes through your hands and you go, holy crap, that ball was moving. I didn't realize that special. It's the evolution of quarterbacking right here. It went to me, at least in my opinion, where the game started to go this way.


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[Assistant] And you can correct me if I'm wrong here, cause I'm just going-


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[Assistant] Brett Favre, it started there, with different arm angles, gunslinger, all that. Rogers took over the mantle, which then started to breed.


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[Assistant] Like Mahomes and the Josh Allen's of the world.


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[Assistant] Mahomes got in the league a year before Josh Allen, so we got to see it, but they started to deliver these type of throws. And now you're seeing, of course, the results by what Mahomes has and how popular he has. All these kids, that's all they're doing. Like I've told you, I go out and throw in the driveway and I gotta go, hey dude,


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[Assistant] Mahomes can do this, he's, because he's mastered technique already. So he's, but we gotta throw the ball the right way a little bit here. We can't just, can't beat Mahomes every throw. You know, but that was special right there. That was, I don't know how the player is, but the throwing was top notch, like top notch. Yes it was, big time.


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[Assistant] He's doing all the things that you talked about still with my dad. Right. Except he's just not stepping to the target right here.


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[Assistant] He's not worried about that. It doesn't matter. You're outside the pocket, there's lanes to throw, all of those type of things. So, yeaah, he's doing that. And, I don't know, Kristen, can you tilt this camera up? I said I wasn't gonna get up, but I might have to get up. Well, alright, I'll just, oh, I don't even need to.