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[Assistant] Hey, the NFL's got a pretty good thing they're working with right now. That's the thing it works. It's hard to, it's hard to break down what they're doing in that. It's set up a little differently than, of course, the Premier League where there's no salary cap or anything like that.


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[Assistant] So, that's where we, we took that part of it to make the league a little more equal. You know, where they made it like, hey, if you don't play good, your ass is out of the league, you better play better. Uh, but, but yeah, I, you know, I don't know if that's really realistic, you know, for the NFL.


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[Assistant] No, it does not dull my acuity. I tell people all the time, like, like, when I smoke weed, I'm as smart as I can possibly be within that first hour. Maximizes brand power. Maximizes my IQ. Now after that hour is over, I might get progressively dumber from there. I don't know, there's a part of me sometimes that thinks maybe,


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[Assistant] You know, I'm Winston Churchill in a past life. I think I may be better with a drinking weed a little bit, like just going all day long. But I will say this. I don't ever watch film high. Never. I mean, never. I'm not trying to...


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[Assistant] I know people that do, and that's fine. But that just ain't me. I'm totally a, like, I work, I work, I work, the day of work is over, now let's relax and take your mind off. Now where weed will come into hand, play with me though.


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[Assistant] And I'll have thoughts that, yes, that I don't know if I would have if I didn't smoke that I go, that I bring to the show the next day or whatever. You know, and a lot of the times you'd be shocked at how many times my producer or my friends go, hey, that was a good thought you today. And I want to go, yeah, I actually thought of that when I was high last night after I got done working or whatever.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeah, I like this. There are a little graphic here.


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[Assistant] You've never seen How High? I'm not How High, that's uhm, uh, Half Baked? No. Oh, you need to go home tonight and watch Half Baked with Dave Chappelle. Done, I'll bring it back for Wednesday. Alright, good. Bring some weed with you, okay? I mean, I feel like that has to accompany you.


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[Assistant] Used to smoke with me every now and then. Every now and then. And then, one night, I made her smoke from the bong.


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[Assistant] And it got her so high and fucked up that it scared her. And she did, I see you laughing over there as you're walking by. I got her so high and fucked up that she's gotten scared to smoke ever since. She was literally like in the fetal position on the couch, right? One of those. It was one of those. So she's been a little scared ever since. That will do it.


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[Assistant] We're dipping our toes back in the water. That's right, that's right. This is fun. Alright, everybody. Hey, Connor. Dude. You're the man, bro. Dude, always great to be here. It's a blast. Yup, uh, Connor will be back on Wednesday. We'll hit more AMAs. We got a few other things. We got a one-pack that we left untouched or unsaid today. So we'll get into that. Uh, but hope everybody's good. It's great to be back. Football season is here.


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[Assistant] Uh, Ahmed, see you later. Thanks. Thanks for showing up for my first podcast in a while. I can't believe you just ditched me like that, but he'll be back next week. Connor, thanks for driving the ship. Love being here. Alright, homies. We'll see ya. We'll see ya Wednesday. Clap it up!


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[Assistant] Yo, yo, yo, thanks for watching homies. It's the off season, but you know there's no off season for us here at Unbuttoned.


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[Assistant] My draft prospect rankings, my Sims top 40 quarterback countdown and videos of me and NFL QBs playing catch and talking about their development and mechanics. Again, thanks for watching. Remember to subscribe. Peace out homies. See you soon.


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[Assistant] It sounds crazy, I don't doubt you at all. I'm just curious why you made it from 100 years to 70. What in your brain told you it's like no, not 100.


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[Assistant] Billions, billions of crabs. Okay. So there are enough to go around, I guess, to ship to Texas. I guess they could do that. Uh, so that was part of your interview with our new team member.


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[Assistant] Devin McCourty will be part of the team on Football Night in America. So I listened to that on the plane ride back from Cleveland yesterday cause I was doing a baseball game out there. And you got, like, he's awesome, first of all. And you guys were awesome together because you're a student of the game. You geek out on all this stuff. You have a great memory.


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[Assistant] Can we talk about what you guys saw in the game? Man, of course. So the first one, the Hall of Fame game. Right. And first of all, you were there and you stayed a couple extra days. I did. Because you had some parties to go to.


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[Assistant] Oh yea, so Scarymoo69 says, Thursday night was the Chris Simms Super Bowl with Zach Wilson, Kellen Mond, and DTR all getting snaps. Would love to see you scout thyself based on the game on Monday's pod here. So these are all quarterbacks in college. You liked what you saw. You were higher on, I think, all three of these guys than most of the community out there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he threw it 19 times, only completed 13 of them for 92 yards. So that's not the ratio that you like to see 4.8 yards per attempt. Where DTR on the other hand, threw it 11 times, completed 8 of those, and we got 82 yards, so that's 7.5 yards per attempt.


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[Assistant] Early W on DTR looking good, looking promising so far, trending in that direction. Alright, Zach Wilson's the other one.


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[Assistant] That was one of the surprising things I think on Zach Wilson last year is that you knew he could make the big play. That was, we saw it, right, on film. And also, he was one of the more accurate quarterbacks out there. And then he goes to the NFL first year and that accuracy went away.


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[Assistant] You think it was just part of being a rookie and you think coaching had anything to do that? You think Nathaniel Hackett coming over there helps him too? Uh, like that I have no doubt about.


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[Assistant] So last thing, you were, you were surprised about the Jaguars last year, and you went into the season being like, they're gonna be better than, than I thought previously. You already thought the Jets and Browns were gonna be pretty good, they got talent there. Surprised by anything else? I mean like, are they about what you thought they were?


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[Assistant] Thank you very much. That's cool. Well, I hope someone was like, we gotta do this more often than just once every ten years. I hope there was someone that was like, we gotta get the whole crew together. I know. Five years from now.


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[Assistant] Keep those relationships going so you can go to Canton every, uh, every couple of years and have those parties. Um, oh, that's cool. I like, I like hearing that. I'm glad you got back though in town time for the podcast here. Um, I flew back. I was in Cleveland too. And so I did that.


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[Assistant] He could've, he really could've. You've probably seen the clip out there now.


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[Assistant] But he connected. Here it is. If you're watching, uh, this is our friend Pitching Ninja who posted this on Twitter. So yea, it was kind of a wild right hand by Jose Ramirez that just clocked Tim Anderson perfectly in the jaw.


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[Assistant] Exactly. There's like four teammates, uh, of Tim Anderson around Jose Ramirez, one trying to hold him back. And there was one punch right before this by Tim Anderson that it was a right hand that just went barely over the head of Jose Ramirez where it could have been totally different if he connects on that punch. Uh, but that's a good old fashioned base brawl. We haven't seen those in a long time.


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[Assistant] The way he backed away almost made me believe that he was at one point a boxing referee. But yeaah, the fact that they threw down their gloves and squared up, it was like squaring up.


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[Assistant] Like that you don't always see, because usually it's just like one push and then a wild swing right away. You don't, you don't square up, but uhm. Uh, you talked to the? We did talk to both managers. Uhm, we talked to Tito. Yeaah. And, uh, and there definitely was history.


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[Assistant] I felt something on his head when he went sliding by. Saw it was him. There was history between. They don't like, they don't like Tim Anderson. Okay. They don't, they don't like him. They don't like this White Sox team, but I think that there have been things previously in this year and in years past where there have been some things said to each other.


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[Assistant] And I heard rumors that even on Sunday morning.


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[Assistant] Perhaps there were people with Tim Anderson and his crew that were looking to settle things with Jose Ramirez again. Like that's just a rumor I heard that was going throughout the ballpark.


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[Assistant] Well, but it was maybe he was getting in the spirit of these training camp fights that we have seen, with Travis Kelsey doing some of that, and maybe we'll see some more, uh, some more fighting around, around the sport.


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[Assistant] You know, it's hard for me to say, because we were just there for a day, and I don't know, but I do, I get the feeling that, you know, he's a trash talker, and you know how sometimes trash talk can go a little too far, right? And you say something, you know, it's like, that's a little, a little much, right? And it's like a little personal maybe, and I think people against him take offense to that, and then,


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[Assistant] One player to watch in the NFC. We'll go through the NFC here today. We'll go through the AFC on Wednesday. And so what this is, and we did this last year as well.


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[Assistant] We got some homies chiming in on some of these too on players that they will want to watch. Uhm, I have some big butt guys that I will want to watch. Please. Early on in this preseason. So we're going to go from order of the worst odds to win the NFC to the best odds. Matt has ordered it in that fashion. So that means we do start with the Cardinals who are plus 10,000 to one.


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[Assistant] Dante Stills is a guy that maybe you keep an eye on him and you can learn early on if he's a guy that can be part of your plans early on this season.


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[Assistant] So that is the Cardinals. The Rams have the second to worst out. How about that? How the mighty have fallen, right? As quick as we've ever seen it.


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[Assistant] Mandalorian27, he'll be watching Ram's rookie second round pick, old lineman Steve Avila, based off his college tape. How do you feel about him, Chris?


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[Assistant] You took my big buck guy. Yeah. Byron Young. He was my guy. The Edge. Um, cause it really is. It's Aaron Donald and a bunch of young guys there. It totally is. But Byron Young's not that young either cause he was the third round pick out of Tennessee, but he turned 25 back in March. And so,


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[Assistant] I think here's a case where you do need to see something early in the preseason because it's not like you can take a year or two of development because then you're talking about a 27 year old.


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[Assistant] Ben Rosen wants to watch The Running Back, Kieran Williams, uh, Cam Akers there as well, Zach Evans, they, they drafted, so who's going to emerge at Running Back is another question for the Rams here. There's a lot of, a lot of young guys.


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[Assistant] Tampa Bay Buccaneers, wow, how the mighty have fallen is right. So they are plus 4,500 right there with the Rams, so tied for second to last. Who's your big butt here? So my big butt for them is going to be Joe Tyron Shroyenka. Okay. He's got a...


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[Assistant] He's got to show up. That's exactly it. So I would have said Kalaj you can't see the rookie. Um, but he's in a boot right now because he had a calf strain first round pick. I wanted to see what he's got.


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[Assistant] But we'll have to wait maybe a little bit more on that. So, uh, so for Joe here, yeaah, does he take that huge step? Because everything you read, it's like he's got great physical upside, he's got a bend, he's got...


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[Assistant] athletic traits that are off the chart, but it's like, can he get to the quarterback? And I know Todd Bowles talked a lot about, he was getting back there, but then he would slip. He wouldn't take the right angle. You know, it's just like, he didn't finish, right? He didn't finish. Can he be that guy, former first round pick who can finally look like a first round pick?


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[Assistant] Rams were 5-12 last year. The Washington Commanders were 8-8-1. Surprising 8-8-1 I think for some people out there. They are plus 4,000 to win the NFC. Who is your one player to watch this preseason for them?


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[Assistant] So he was my big butt. I mean like, look at that defensive line. I know. On paper, if they're playing to their ability,


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[Assistant] The best in the NFL, you got Montez Sweat, you got Darren Payne, you got Jonathan Allen, you got Chase Young. It's, it's up there.


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[Assistant] Got those two rookies, yeah, Forbes and Martin, who are slated to start right now. So yeah, you're right. They need a, they need a defensive line that is disruptive to the quarterback of the opposing team out there. Next, we got the Chicago Bears, surprisingly. They were three and 14 last year. And so they have the one, two, three, four, five, six, the worst odds.


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[Assistant] Like, we're talking almost getting to mid-pack here for the Bears. There's a lot of high hopes in Chicago after a rough season.


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[Assistant] Maybe even too high of hopes if you ask a Detroit Lions fan.


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[Assistant] Move the bears, I was trying to move the bears down, but yea, sorry about that. We'll get to the Panthers who have, yea, plus 4,000 odds. Bears that plus 3,000, yea, who's your, who's your dude to watch?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was disappointing his usage and it just didn't click with him last year because I'm looking at his numbers because he played half his games with the Steelers, half his games basically with the Bears. He had 32 catches with the Steelers. He had just 14 for 140 yards in those seven games with the Bears and they handed him the ball one time for four yards. They just didn't use him.


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[Assistant] My big butt is Gerven Dexter, second round pick out of Florida, defensive tackle. His teammate who starts over him, Justin Jones, I was watching a press conference. He goes, he's a beast out there. He benches like 500 pounds. He looks the part.


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[Assistant] So we go back now to the team that I skipped so rudely. What an asshole. Maybe because I picked them to be a playoff team like the last two years and they've disappointed me. Yeah, well I think I've probably led you down that road a little bit. They're dead to me. Plus four thousand the Carolina Panthers. Carolina.


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[Assistant] So my big bud is a guy that you also liked coming out of the draft, probably a little bit more, Yeter Gros Matos, who is transitioning now, kind of the outside linebacker, going to compete with Marquise Haynes for the spot that is opposite of Brian Burns.


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[Assistant] Thursday. So the Bears have the next best odds. I already talked about them, but they're actually tied with another team in their division. The Green Bay Packers also plus 3000. I don't get that. I don't get it either. Both of them the same odds to win the NFC.


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[Assistant] But what, like, with him? Like, what will you be watching that will indicate to you anything, right? Like, will you learn from this pre-scenes and be like, oh, this is good, this is bad? I mean, like, what are you looking for from me?


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[Assistant] Oh my guy, you want me to pick? Yea, who's your guy? You can't pick. You cannot pick. Luke can pick Jordan Love, you cannot.


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[Assistant] So my big butt is, uh, big number 95, Bravante Wyatt, uh, for the things that you mentioned there. So TJ Slayton, his teammate at Nose, has talked about it. He says he's way ahead of where he was last year, so that's already a good sign. And he has made some splash plays in training camps, so the early results on Wyatt are good. You know, I tend to look


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[Assistant] It was hard for me. I got Timmy Horn here, who's a, who's a nose tackle. It's going to be thrust into a little bit bigger role cause Eddie Goldman, uh, retired. He's been playing with the ones and so he's kind of an undrafted guy. So I think that's just an interesting guy to watch. But yeah, Bud Dupree, I just didn't know how much we'd see him in the preseason here.


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[Assistant] So that's a good one by you. There's a lot of players to watch here. I mean, it's just like with, you know, Drake London and Mack Hollins. That's like looking like a pretty good one-two punch.


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[Assistant] We finally got to your Giants, plus 2500 to win the NFC. Pretty good odds still, I think. Basking in the glow of their impressive year last year, their playoff year last year. You're watching all these guys, I know that. But if you had to pick just one.


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[Assistant] Yeah, TTJNYG also said Jalen Hyatt, and he's looking at one of those receivers. Sure, sure. You mentioned one of the reasons, right? Looking for the number one wide receiver for Daniel Jones. Maybe he can be that guy out of...


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[Assistant] Uh, defensive line, I went with Aziz Ojalary. Okay. So, uh, he just played seven games last year, but came on at the end of the year or made his presence felt whenever he was, was out there basically. Um, former Georgia Bulldog.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, I think like healthy year for him and that's a defensive line that has Dexter Lawrence and Leonard Williams and A'Shawn Robinson could be a strong part of the team.


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[Assistant] You know, that defense, right, for a couple years now is, has been lacking. Their offense has had to save them. And so who's going to stop the run in the middle? Maybe it's going to be Tonga.


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[Assistant] That's a really good pick by you, actually. So that's the Vikings. We move on to the Seattle Seahawks, who are plus 1,300 to win the NFC. Hawksstraliger, uh. How far down on the list are we? The Seahawks are here? Sixth. Sixth the best in the NFC. Is that higher than you thought?


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[Assistant] Three tech convert could really round out the interior D line depth. Cam young would be my second choice.


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[Assistant] A fourth round backup nose tackle who really woke up this preseason once the pads came on. So he's looking at my dudes. He's encroaching on my territory.


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[Assistant] On the big butts. Well, so who is it? Let me hear your big butt why we're in there. Let's hear this big butt you got. I'm gonna do Mario Edwards for me. Okay. Uhm, could he improve that run defense? Yea, it's kinda been an impressive camp according to the reports out there so far for him.


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[Assistant] They move Reed, kind of the nose tackle interior, beef up the middle of the defensive line. So yea, that former Raider second round pick out of Florida State is where he kind of takes another step here. Because yea, I think that's a position of need for them on that defensive line, as does Hawkstraliger.


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[Assistant] You know Todd Grantham is their defensive line coach there. He says he's come in.


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[Assistant] As a quick learner so far, no sense of entitlement, which is good to hear, for a guy who has been pubbed for a long time, was a top recruit, a big time player at Clemson, went through some ups and downs there, and so, yeaah, he looked like a man amongst boys sometimes in his college career, can he do that at the NFL level?


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[Assistant] Uh, a lot of guys to watch, I mean, Sam Laporta on the offensive side. They say, they're throwing to him a ton, I guess, early on here, like camp and...


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[Assistant] That helped your football team. Campbell was their first round pick along with, uh, the running back in, uh, Jermier Gibbs. Yeah, of course. One of the third round picks was, uh, Broderick Martin. He'll be my big butt that I'm watching here. Six, five, three 30 out of Western Kentucky.


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[Assistant] Uhm, he's a big dude up front, and Dan Campbell has said that they've already seen a level of growth from OTAs to now training camp, and he's gonna get some opportunities to play, nose tackle for them, so we'll see how he does.


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[Assistant] They've had in a while down in Dallas. So I'm gonna watch that. I'm staying with that theme. I'm gonna watch that competition with the 31 year old, uh, Jonathan Hankins who is there and see like how much better does he look than Jonathan Hankins and vice versa there. So that'll be my, I'll kind of cheat and go, I was gonna go Mazzie Smith, but


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[Assistant] Second best odds to win the NFC, the 49ers. Your 49ers. My 49ers, huh? That's where it is. Yep. Cleland Farrell is my big butt to watch there. Okay. Yeah. I mean, he probably won't live up ever to being the number four overall selection, but he's got a one year deal, prove it deal with a good group around him. What are we going to see from him? How will he fit in? I know.


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[Assistant] So it was his first year in 22, he was drafted in 2020, 5th rounder. He played his most snaps that year. He played like 300 snaps, still not a ton. Uhm, then only played in one game the year after that. Played 70 snaps in that game and then played in 13 games but just a handful of snaps. So, not much the last couple of years.


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[Assistant] There were the Eagles. We have Big Sturg who writes into you. Big Sturg, we go pick one guy you're watching. He goes Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter, Milton Williams. I need to see how the Eagles replace Javon Hargrave and support an aging Fletcher Cox. So his eyes are on the big butts. They're good ones. I mean, they're good ones.


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[Assistant] We'll do the AFC on, on Wednesday. That, that worked out really well. One final thing here, before we go. So, we did this, uhm, before we did our hiatus.


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[Assistant] We did the best non-quarterbacks in the 21st century. The 21st century. So from the year 2000 to now.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I like my guy Megatron, but I think like of the names, I think those are the names that I'm hearing most often.


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[Assistant] That's real deal right there. Props to the social media team too for having division, divisional rivalry.


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[Assistant] I'd be like, okay, I, I get it. That, that guy's that damn good. But if Chad, if you're going to see Chris in the next week or so, we were just kidding about that. So we just want to make that clear. I picked some balls.


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[Assistant] No, you clearly like them, huh? You like them a lot. You like the tape. You've compared them a little bit to Patrick Mahomes, who we all know your love of Patrick Mahomes. Sure. I mean, it's up there with your wife, I would think. It's up there. Other people up there. Might be greater. Uh, at times, right? That's for all of us.


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[Assistant] After year one, Trevor Lawrence, not a great year. I mean, Urban Meyer was there, there were other circumstances. And Zach Wilson, I mean, like, after year one.


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[Assistant] Still out on that whole class. I want to get to that here in a second, but let's just take a look in case you were not with us on Monday with the rankings that you have for the 2023 class here.


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[Assistant] And there it is, CJ Stroud 1, we got Bryce Young 2, Hendon Hooker 3, Anthony Richardson 4, then you got DTR, Dorian Thompson Robinson from UCLA 5, along with Will Levis, you have a tie for 5. So you got 6 in your top 5 here. And we had a comment from Bball0130,


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[Assistant] Right? So it'd go red, reddish, and then yeah, the color wheel as Pete says here.


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[Assistant] Well this is why I like to do it too because we do want to get the homies reaction here because this is a show of the people, you know, and every draft season it is about the people talking and about consensus and who thinks what and are we all thinking the same things and I am fascinated by this every year and so for the first time ever I've kind of gone back and I've looked at what does the group think


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[Assistant] Get into the homies questions before we get into some of the traits of some of these quarterbacks once again. Can we do power to the sheeple?


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[Assistant] Power to the sheeple. We go back and we look at draft consensus. So let's go back and look at last year here first. Because, uh, this was, as you've already mentioned, a tough draft class to evaluate.


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[Assistant] Malik Willis was the consensus number one. You had him number two. He was drafted third overall. Kenny Pickett was the consensus number two. You had him third. He was drafted one overall.


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[Assistant] I think more or less, like honestly Chris, I think we could get to the end of this, you know, 5, 10 years from now and look at this class and be like, they were all, all these quarterbacks were about the same and no one was a superstar.


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[Assistant] Yes, Joe Burrow was consensus number one, he was your number one, and he was drafted number one. So there was really no debate there, we were all on the same thing there, and I felt teams agreed, and I think that has worked out so far. Now it's interesting, I think this was a good year for you, because


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[Assistant] You know, the consensus was that Tua was going to be second. And you had him third. You almost had him fourth at a time there. Early on I had Jordan Love in front of him, right? He was drafted second. I think we've seen at this point, cause you had Justin Herbert as your second quarterback. I think we've seen, even the


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[Assistant] And you were higher on Jordan Love than most. Yeaah. But I forgot that he, you know, he was Consensus 4th quarterback in that draft. Right. It wasn't crazy. Right. And he was drafted as the 4th quarterback and then Jalen Hurts of course 5th. And so, I thought that was good for you. You made the distinction between Herbert and, uh, Antua and I think that's the test that could hold up the test of time.


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[Assistant] I'm so curious this year because you mentioned how quickly things can change. Right. You know, Zach Wilson, Trevor Lawrence. I'm curious. Like if Jordan love goes out there and he's been learning under Aaron Rogers for a couple of years, if he goes out there and.


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[Assistant] I don't think, you know, like I've said with 2022, the jury is still out on this 2020 class. And one more I want to look at before we get into some of the traits of our current quarterbacks here is 2016. I thought this was an interesting draft. And this one pretty much went chalk. You had Jared Goff, who was the consensus number one drafted first. You had Carson Wentz after him. Then you had Paxton Lynch, who


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[Assistant] The prognosticators thought he's the third best quarterback, and the NFL agreed and...


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[Assistant] They were both wrong on Paxton Lynch. Uh, I thought it was interesting. Conor Cook out of Michigan State was the fourth consensus.


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[Assistant] NFL was a little wiser there, took him as the seventh off the board. Um, and then you also had Dak Prescott in that draft, who was the consensus sixth best quarterback in the draft. Not as low as I thought, I always thought he was more off the board maybe, but he was still in the mix. Uh, he was drafted as the eighth quarterback off the board. And then of course the New England Patriots.


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[Assistant] Going off the board as they do many, many years with Jacoby Bursette, who has consensus 12th best quarterback.


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[Assistant] They saw something in him. They took him as the sixth quarterback off the board and he has had an awesome NFL career, so.


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[Assistant] You go never again and then one day a Patrick Mahomes type goes through and he watches tape and you go, you know what? He's awesome. Even if his team's not awesome.


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[Assistant] Does it stand up to the rigors of the questioning from the homies? Sure. Your 2023 rankings, but let's go through and.


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[Assistant] And kind of get a better idea of what you think each of these 2023 quarterbacks does well. Right. Who's the best at each of these traits. I think it's a good exercise. I like this. This is a good exercise.


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[Assistant] Right. And that's always a big thing. You hear the debates out there. Oh, acu- Josh Allen doesn't have accuracy. Or is it just that he throws a million miles an hour and his receivers can't catch it? Uh, who has the best...


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[Assistant] And who has the most concerning accuracy among the quarterbacks in the 2023 draft class?


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[Assistant] I'm getting the feeling as we go through this, it's gonna become very obvious why you like CJ Stroud so much. I mean, you did call him like a perfect prospect.


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[Assistant] And as we go through these two, I mean, I think we want to emphasize again, these are the best of the best, right? So if it's like most concerning, it's like most concerning of the best of the best. And so, uh, and if there's, if we get to one of these categories where you think like, I'm not really that concerned about any of these top five quarterbacks in this category, I think you feel free to say that.


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[Assistant] And they both excel more in the arm strength category, so who has the best arm strength?


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[Assistant] In your mind. I'm kinda curious to pick your brain about this too. Cause there's arm strength and then there's like usable arm strength, right?


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[Assistant] I like this. Uh, Tom was pretty good in the pocket, sensing pressure, moving around in the pocket of these quarterbacks. Who's best at that?


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[Assistant] That's one of the biggest things you see about Bryce is man, he manipulates that pocket so well. He does.


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[Assistant] So we just compared CJ Stroud to Joe Burrow. Right. I think in your years of evaluating quarterbacks, is Joe Burrow number one as a decision maker? Yes. In the pocket? Yes. Anticipation? Definitely. Alright, so who in this draft class is most like Joe Burrow as a decision maker? Is that CJ Stroud once again?


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[Assistant] Who doesn't work through their progressions and reads maybe as quickly as you'd want?


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[Assistant] He might be ahead of the curve, right? It's like he hasn't played it.


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[Assistant] How about throwing on the run? Yeah, this is Bryce Young.


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[Assistant] Do you think he's the most dynamic running quarterback? Yes. Could Anthony Richardson be more dynamic than Justin Fields even?


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[Assistant] It'll be fascinating too because you want to do what the quarterback does best, right? But at the same time we saw with Trey Lance last year, he was hurt first game basically of the season. So it's like, you have to balance it in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Well, you mentioned this with your dad one time too, and I think it's a really interesting point is that people think that the running quarterbacks are more apt to get injured because they're just taking more hits, but


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[Assistant] You mentioned with him and he agreed that when you're a running back, you can kind of dictate how you take the hit. And if you slide, if you go out of bounds and put a shoulder down where sometimes when you're in the pocket, you can't dictate that you're just at the mercy of where the defender is, where you are.


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[Assistant] Can I ask you this too, and this is a little bit of a tangent, but because we're just talking about Justin Fields right there and the Chicago Bears traded down from the number one, they had their pick. They had their pick of quarterbacks in this draft class. From what you've seen from the quarterbacks after looking into them, should they have stayed number one and taken a quarterback?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it really would be, would you trade CJ Stroud for Justin Fields for another first round pick for DJ Moore and as it piles up in the assets that the Bears got.


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[Assistant] It's like a no-brainer. Exactly. Stay the course and take all those extra assets. That's right. Uhm, who doesn't run in this draft class and maybe who you don't want to run?


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[Assistant] So that was the one category where you have Bryce Young down lower, but you had him first in a number of these categories. Obviously, you like CJ Stroud, who's near the top in a lot of these categories. Let me just ask you this before we move on to the homies questions. If Bryce Young were 6'3", 215, like CJ Stroud, do you think he'd be your number one quarterback? It'd be closer?


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[Assistant] Yep, yep, alright. Put a pin in that because there's more questions from the homies about Bryce Young and how you've evaluated him, but I do want to remind you that


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[Assistant] I'm in one of those magazines getting my own team in a mock draft. Great. And I think the team would be awesome. There you go. If we played it out. So there I tweeted about it last night. There I am. They still have like magazine stands.


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[Assistant] I'm excited for baseball season. I'm so pumped. We had the World Baseball Classic. It came down to Trout vs. Otani. I know. I went to bed a little bit before that happened.


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[Assistant] It is time for hashtag ask me anything. We love this. The homies get to chime in, push back on your quarterback rankings and go, wow, you're crazy.


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[Assistant] Uh, which we always like. Let's start with this one from ABailey8. Chris, how many of these quarterbacks would have been QB1 in the 2022 draft over Matt Corral, Kenny Pickett, Malik Willis?


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[Assistant] That's a good question. How many of these guys would you have number one last year?


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[Assistant] We got questions on all your quarterbacks here.


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[Assistant] But, uh, I think some of the most interesting ones are Bryce Young, because that is a name that you will see number one on a lot of people's lists, and maybe that will change now as this podcast gets out there, and people are like, wait, Chris likes CJ Stroud? Oh yeaah, I always liked CJ Stroud too, yeaah, I liked him over Bryce Young. You might hear that more and more. Uh, Vamos for Ramos.


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[Assistant] It says, people like to make the Bryce Young Kyler Murray size comparison, but what do you think of a Bryce Young Doug Flutie comparison?


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[Assistant] 5'10", 180, that's very similar. I mean, that's basically Bryce Young. Very similar. The only difference is he's 60.


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[Assistant] Says to you, yo, Sims, I understand some of your concerns about Bryce Young, but I completely disagree that he had stellar protection.


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[Assistant] Unlike Ohio State, they don't have any first round picks on their offensive line and it seemed like Young was under pressure all last year. He finishes it by saying, appreciate you. So even though he's throwing some back, which we like from the homies, you know, we do like pushback on this podcast and especially when it's coming from the homies and people who understand what we do here. Uh, so I think we have the,


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[Assistant] The draft, uh, projected lineman here in Ohio State has Paris Johnson, who's projected to go in the first round. They have Jones, who's a second rounder. They got, who is that? Luke Plyler?


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[Assistant] Wippler in the third round. And then you got the Bama guys who are in the fourth round. So what do you make of the argument that actually CJ had the better offensive line and Bryce did not?


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[Assistant] That's interesting. I'm looking ahead here. Right. And it looks like, you know, they already have mock drafts out there for 2025. Can you believe it? Some people are working all the time.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Elijah Pritchett, apparently, Tyler Booker, you know, first or second round type prospects this early on, and for next year's class, it looks like, uh, Alabama's got a guy, C.J. Latham, who's maybe first, second round guy, so yeah. Not that Ohio State doesn't also have those guys.


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[Assistant] So more on CJ Stroud, and this one's kind of like the same lines as that one, so maybe it's some similar things, but framed in a different way. This one comes from New York Lion.


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[Assistant] Actually, Pete, the New York Lion tweets that says... Is this you? This is not me. No, yeah, that's true. I'd be the Connecticut Lion. What I don't see with Stroud, and he goes, not his fault, is tight window throws. I've never seen guys more wide open. Wide receivers and O-line were the best in college football. When things go wrong and he is under pressure, he is horrible.


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[Assistant] If Stroud switched places with Will Levis at Kentucky, what would the tape look like? Now that is something that is fascinating that I've talked to you about. Like, what if Bryce Young is in Kentucky and Will Levis is over in Alabama? I mean, like, Will Levis played the whole year at Alabama. He might be the number one or number two quarterback. He would look better, that's for sure. Who knows exactly how it would turn out? Bill O'Brien over there. But what do you make of the point there that, um, that New York Lions try to make?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and like you said, some of those throws down the sideline, deep throws, tight windows, outside the numbers were very good, and DJ Holman saw that as well. So here is a defender of your ranking here.


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[Assistant] How could you hate a Lions fan? He would never do that. We're just pushing back on your assessment. DJ Holman, you're probably going to agree with some of this, but this is an interesting point he makes. He goes, Chris, have you seen a college offense that asks their quarterback to throw as many far hash out throws than Stroud?


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[Assistant] Those are long froze. He goes further than the NFL. Yeaah. And you don't do that unless you trust the quarterback to have the arm to make that. The arm and the decision maker.


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[Assistant] Next round, probably will go number one to the Carolina Panthers.


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[Assistant] But who knows, could go number two to the Houston Texans. Wherever he goes, probably in the top two, probably number one, uh, that fan base is going to hope that he can buck the trend. And here is Shemp.


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[Assistant] Well, you're pointing to me though. I like this question. I'm just seeing it and I like this question. Here's Shemp. How many quarterbacks from Ohio State have become franchise quarterbacks in the NFL? Justin Fields may work out, but the jury is still out. So that would be the worry for Carolina Panther fans out there that he is just another one of those failed Ohio State quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] Uh, at some quarterbacks, so here's some. They haven't had a quarterback like this. So here's the deal though, are there some quarterbacks here that you thought were gonna be good that weren't? So you had Terrell Pryor there, obviously Justin Fields, Dewayne Haskins. Haskins I thought had a chance. Cardale Jones. Yea, no. Okay.


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[Assistant] Tom Tupa, Tom Tupa. Another bust. Uh, Hendon Hooker was the one that showed up on your list here higher than most people's list. So we have some questions from the homies on him. Rashad Dutt.


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[Assistant] Homie that chimes in often here on the podcast, Kurt Warner. Ooh, he brings up Kurt Warner pointed out that Hendon Hooker doesn't have a good overall understanding of defenses and where to go with the ball.


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[Assistant] He was breaking down the Georgia game. Do you share his concerns? So this is out there. This is Kurt Warner did I think on his personal, uh, YouTube. He's got something outside of NFL Network.


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[Assistant] Alright, so the things that Kurt Warner pointed out in the video, do you share those concerns?


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[Assistant] Whose quarterback take was worse on this podcast, New York Lion or Kurt Warner? That's the real question. That's what people want to know.


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[Assistant] The nuance with where to take these quarterbacks. Cody the Colts fan says, do you believe Richardson should be picked ahead of Hooker due to his age and his injury or should that not scare the Colts? And so you ranked Hendon Hooker above Anthony Richardson. I think, you know, reasonably


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[Assistant] You know, reasonable to assume that if you were a team, you would draft Hendon Hooker ahead of Anthony Richardson, but with that injury and the age, which you don't think is as big a deal, I don't, but, um, but you would, you would take Hendon Hooker over Anthony Richardson if you were on the clock.


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[Assistant] So let's get into Anthony Richardson and some of the homies questions about him. Uh, he is an athletic specimen. We all know that, but we want to compare him to a mystery quarterback to just see how giant and athletic he is. So the quarterback on the left, if you're watching is Anthony Richardson. And it's one of those, what is that? Is that an?


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[Assistant] Pentagon? No, a pent is five. Octagon? Octagon. Yeah, eight things, octagon there. Hexagon, isn't it? It's six. It's a gon of some sort. It's six. Uh, no, there's more than six there, isn't there? Are there six sides right there? Oh no, on the left.


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[Assistant] Uh, so the one on the left, whatever it is, is Anthony Richardson. It basically fills up the whole thing because he's in the 90th percentile in almost everything. And the mystery quarterback on the right fills up very little of it. Uh, we do have a good 20 yard shuttle, we do have good height, but the broad jump, not good at all in the 12th percentile.


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[Assistant] Who is that mystery quarterback on the right there? I think that's me. Oh no.


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[Assistant] It is Chris Sims. It is. So what you did, you did really well, like be tall. What happened in the broad jump? You didn't practice it, did you?


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[Assistant] That is, but look, we compared you to the freakiest of all freaks. Yes. Of all time, so. Damn, 484, I thought I ran a faster time than that. 484. Damn.


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[Assistant] You're just like, yeaah, this is like, give me a month, and those numbers would have been exactly like Anthony Richardson. Uh, Moose Maxwell 31.


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[Assistant] Is Anthony Richardson farther along than the, oh no, we already did this one last time. Oops, sorry about that one. That was the Trey Lansing. If you want the answer to that question, go back to the Monday pod. No, no, don't worry about that one. Let's go to Bruno Brooks then. Bruno Brooks won.


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[Assistant] Dorian Thompson Robinson from UCLA is not built the same way, but you like what you saw on tape. And so did, oh man, what is this name, Pete?


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[Assistant] HimHertz5Henry. HimHertz5Henry. There we go, you got it. HimHertz5Henry. Uh, thanks for writing in. This is more of a comment than a question, which was illuminating to me. He goes, Dorian Thompson Robinson threw the ball 62 miles an hour at the Combine. Same as Josh Allen. Tied for the fastest ever recorded at the Combine. Stroud and Will Levis hit 59 miles per hour.


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[Assistant] So at the top of the podcast, I did the whole consensus thing and what people think. I have locked in the consensus right now as we're going to compare next year at this time, like how your picks stand up to when you made the picks and what everyone was talking about. Because right now.


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[Assistant] Dorian Thompson Robinson is Consensus 10th quarterback off the board. Pick like number 193 in the draft if people mock it that far.


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[Assistant] Uh, Will Leves, there's some concerns there that you shared. And so he's been a guy that's been in the top four or five that who knows could fall after.


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[Assistant] Your pod, if more and more people listen to the Monday pod, perhaps he goes down. Uh, West Krueger says how much of Levis's decline was due to a new offensive coordinator, bad offensive line, lack of weapons and playing through injuries, which is something I don't think we mentioned necessarily Monday. He did play through a foot, a finger and shoulder injuries last season. How could he not be beat up? He took shot after shot.


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[Assistant] And he works out in the weight room. He's rocked up, but maybe he needs to be a little more rocked down there. Ross Smith agreed with you. He said, uh, it feels like he can't feel the blind side at all. And so his comment was in agreement with what you said.


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[Assistant] The also in the conversation quarterbacks. Now we promised that we would talk about some of them coming up here today. And Jack Hayner was a guy that you did mention. Would he be number six? I know we don't, or I guess seven, but would he be the next quarterback?


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[Assistant] Is that what you're thinking here? So Fresno State guy, uh, and by the way, Annie.


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[Assistant] Tweeted you and said, is Jack Hayner this year's Brock Purdy? Everyone's gonna be looking for this year's Brock Purdy.


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[Assistant] And since you mentioned him too, Clayton Toon from Houston, what'd you like about him?


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[Assistant] 6-2, 2-20 was a three or four year starter, three time team captain. So good leader Clayton Toom, maybe some team will get a steal out there. You know a name you haven't mentioned?


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[Assistant] Stetson Bennett. Ooh, I know. From Georgia. I know. And King Tantamani says, where's Stetson Bennett? I will put him ahead of Will Levis.


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[Assistant] You know, Cuz Lightyear is saying that, quote, and Cuz Lightyear is a homie as well.


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[Assistant] Uh, age is literally keeping a two-time Natty MVP off of these lists. Game film isn't. And you would push back on that by saying you have some old dudes on your list with Hinden Hooker and DTO.


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[Assistant] On Twitter, he goes, what about Tanner McKee? I'm loving him as a two or three round pick for the Raiders. Looks to have great feet.


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[Assistant] My question is team specific here. My Detroit Lions.


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[Assistant] Are in the mix. Maybe for a quarterback now. I said at the beginning of...


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[Assistant] The off season, I go, I don't want him to take a quarterback. Jared golfs the guy. They got to beef up the defense. Well, they have beefed up the defense in free agency and especially their secondary. And so. And you do have two picks in the first round. Melcher23 says make the case for the Lions to grab a quarterback with their number six pick, even if they have to trade up the highest pick ever.


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[Assistant] From a defending Super Bowl champ falls in your lap on the way up the contending ladder. Don't let an adequate quarterback keep you from drafting what could be a game changer.


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[Assistant] Blue and Silver 8 said that exact same thing. He goes, is Hooker at 18 for Detroit a stretch? I don't think so. So you say I don't think so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's a shambles. It's a complete shambles just because it's not really based off anything. These markets, it's all just based on speculation, text messages and things coming through to WhatsApp group threads. Whereas, like the, when the heat play the box, tonight,


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[Assistant] Line's 11 and a half. There's so much information and data that goes into that line. Uh, when the Eagles play the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, there's so much information. There's offensive defensive ratings. Tangible things that go off of. This is just all in the air.


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[Assistant] It's just floating around and you gotta figure out what's real, what's not, just jumping at shadows all the time, moving prices really aggressively because you're scared, uh, and that's how it works.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so it's a strange world. It's mainly about just figuring out.


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[Assistant] You know, what's true and what's not. So like a lot of these markets, they'll move because


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[Assistant] Someone's dad's best friend's uncle was at a party and the girlfriend of the backup, uh, safety on the Panthers told him that, well, Will Levis has definitely gone one. And then someone lights up the group threads that, guys, the mail is in, Levis the Carolina, it's done. Just off of that.


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[Assistant] Sifting through that, sifting through, like I got a text last year, a few weeks before the draft, with a really odd specific story that I won't get into, but the upshot was that Trayvon Walker's going 1. And at the time Trayvon Walker was plus 600 to go 1, so I load up the bet slip, I'm about to bet it,


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[Assistant] And then I get a message from a guy at the company I worked at previously in marketing, being like,


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[Assistant] Okay. So I don't think anyone has any idea what's happening outside of Bryce Young going 1. Right. Probably. And even that was thrown into some doubt yesterday. I still think Bryce Young. Thank you Reddit. Yeah, thank you Reddit. Uh, I still think Bryce Young's gonna go 1. Yes, he is.


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[Assistant] But after that, like no one really knows what Houston is gonna do with two. Right now, Tyree Wilson is the favorite. He's plus 120, so that's no lock whatsoever. It's weird because last year


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[Assistant] Should have been more all over the place because there weren't any quarterbacks at the top of the draft. Right. And normally in drafts, quarterbacks, they like give you anchors. They give you polls. It's like, ah, well this team's going to take quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] This is the 1-2-3 quarterback on the board, and we work around that. This year no one has any grasp of like, like it feels like CJ Stroud should be the second quarterback on the board.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but now Will Levis is a heavy favorite to be taken before CJ Stroud, which I don't understand, but that's the word that's out there.


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[Assistant] I mean, they just, they move all over the place. Yesterday, Will Levis was minus 150 to go to overall and now he's plus 220. I think the one thing that has really happened over the past few days is that


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[Assistant] It seems more and more likely that Houston are going to go defense. I think that was the presumption that


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[Assistant] Well, they can't go into year three of the Davis Mills era. They have to take a quarterback. I think they probably will end up with a new quarterback, but now there are other options. Now they could, you know, they could take a quarterback later. They could look for Hendon Hooker. They could trade for Max Jones or Trey Lance. There are more options and if they don't like


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[Assistant] Like what's real, what's not. The Carolina Panthers, they really trade up with all of that stuff to take the guy who's fourth or fifth quarterback on a lot of people's boards. It just never really passed the smell test, but in terms of why the price moves is that it doesn't take much money to move these markets.


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[Assistant] Yeah, an NFL game, like you're having to bet minimum five figures generally. It's a move and NFL line. You have to be marked as a sharp better. With this kind of stuff, you can bet 200 bucks on Will Leveson and change the line immediately.


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[Assistant] Like, Stroud was minus 400 to go 1, like 3 weeks ago. And so, when all this is said and done,


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[Assistant] Is CJ Stroud really going to go after Will Levis? Is the team not going to trade up to three and take Stroud if he's sitting there? It's in like Tennessee or just anyone can trade up to three or the Colts could take him at four. Uh, I would be shocked if CJ Stroud really slid just based on everything coming into the draft.


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[Assistant] Like that could change. Like a team, if a quarterback, if all the quarterbacks are there, maybe someone trades up out of nowhere for three. But otherwise, it seems like they're either gonna go...


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[Assistant] Defense and Will Anderson, if Atari's gone, or they're gonna draft Paris Johnson Jr. I know, it could be. Those are the ones in play. Uh, in terms of like a bet, you can find out that Anthony Richardson at 15 to 1 to go 3, just on the thought that maybe a team really likes Richardson and wants to trade up. Right. Uhm, but yeah, 3 is a bit of a mess and it's gonna all depend on 2.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, it does, and I think, again, it's largely based on whether Arizona can trade the pick, because if Tyree goes 2, and then 3, if Arizona are gonna draft defense, it's probably gonna be Will Anderson, but also Paris Johnson Jr., a lot of momentum around him, so I think Will Anderson will ultimately slide, and if he goes past Arizona at 3,


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[Assistant] Kansas City to hand in the card for Jalen Carter. Yeah, exactly. So at that point, then he's, then he's really starting to slide. So who knows where we'll go after that.


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[Assistant] Really outside chance Anthony Richardson could slide, but surely he's going to go in the first round. And so it's basically a better hand and hooker. And I think that it's more likely goes in the first round if Houston draft defense at two, because surely they're going to need a quarterback and they might, uh, they could even take him at 12. Right. It could be the only guy left where they go, we got to


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[Assistant] They could trade up, they could package, uhm, to get back in the first round as well. So, I suspect he will go in the first round, but, but it's no lock.


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[Assistant] So Jackson Smith and Jig, but he'll go first round for sure. Zay Flowers should go in the first round. And then it's a question of Addison and Johnson. I think that Addison has been a lot linking him to the Chargers.


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[Assistant] So it's going to be Addison and Johnson, those are the two swing guys, I think, and it seems like Addison will go first round, so then it becomes, whether we think Quinton Johnson's first round pick, I'd probably lean yes, slightly, uhm, but again, that one's a coin toss.


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[Assistant] I think it's interesting because, you know, the past couple years we've seen rookie wide receivers do stuff that just hasn't been done in the past with what Justin Jefferson did his rookie year, Olave and Wilson, Jamar Chase, like these guys have been out of their minds, uh, and this just isn't the same class, it's just not the same level. These guys, like JSN is the best guy, he's not at that level.


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[Assistant] Houston have him over Anderson, and I think that Arizona have him over Anderson as well, and I think one of those two teams will draft defense, and so Tyree Wilson will be the first defensive player on the board.


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[Assistant] I think that, so one, and it's a random one, but Cody Mark to be drafted in the first round is plus 400. I've heard that he's going in the first round and it's plus 400. I don't really know much beyond that. I've just heard that he's going to be taken in the first round. So I think that's a better plus 400. And that's the thing with


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[Assistant] With these type of things, like if I hear something that, oh, this guy's going here, but it's minus 300, I was like, well, the information's pretty bad that I'm left kinda holding the bag, but at plus 400, uh, that's when I'm more willing to go in on just kind of tips.


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[Assistant] Oh yea baby, we're back with the hottest conversation on the internet right there. Alright, alright, I am stupid, okay, I did have a dumb blonde moment. I know orange is not redder than red.


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[Assistant] But my point was that on the, my point was right, okay? Orange is not redder than red, but if you're going reddest to blue, orange should have been the start because it's the least orange and then it goes at least red and then it goes there.


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[Assistant] I didn't mean to do that Mario, alright, uh, at not Bucky Cox. I didn't mean to say that part. That's what I meant with the dumb blondness that came out of my mouth. Alright, so yes, that was totally insane for saying orange is more red than red. Yes, it was. But thank you for- But here, hold on, can we go back to that


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[Assistant] Kind of, don't you feel? I mean, have you felt that too? I have felt that. Like we talked a little bit on that Wednesday after the court. Yea, you know, Hendon Hooker, I feel like his name is definitely more in the mix ever since we kind of brought him up there. So, yea, it's good to see. We'll see where it goes. I think it's obvious who the top two guys are.


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[Assistant] You know my thoughts there. Uh, I like CJ Stratt a lot. Bryce Young, I like him a lot, but he does scare me. He really does.


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[Assistant] The other guys, you know, Will Levist, there's, there's a lot of unknown. It's potential, but it's unknown. Same with Anthony Richardson. Hendon Hooker to me is one of the ones that's a little bit of a safer bet, especially if he just took away the ACL injury. Uh, but, you know, again, we'll see what the NFL thinks about it as time goes on here.


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[Assistant] That's some of my favorites, really. In fact, I love evaluating corners. Why? I just, there's just something about the pure raw athleticism and explosion that's just fun to watch and just go, let's watch guys that are gonna be paid to


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[Assistant] We're gonna chase and cover like the greatest athletes on the planet and we're all gonna go, why did you let him catch the ball? And it's like, well yeah, cause that guy runs 4-2-9 and he's 6-2. That's why, but we knew where the ball was going. And it's just a special person, attitude, demeanor, mentality.


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[Assistant] You know, these are some of the most mentally strong people in all of sports. I mean, you gotta remember that too.


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[Assistant] We really, a lot of them, we only show them when they're getting beat for a touchdown or beat for a big play.


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[Assistant] You're on an island, it's, you get beat by Jamar Chase, all they do is show the corner's face like, hey, you're the guy that got burned by him, haha, you know. So it's, it's where they can wipe the slate clean and move to the next play, as good as any athletes I was ever around, honestly. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, the good ones are amazing. Ronde Barber, you know.


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[Assistant] He could get beat on a play, and the next play be like, f*** you, there's no way you're gonna catch a ball on me right here. There's no way. This is not gonna happen.


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[Assistant] That was a, that was just a, I made a mistake the play before, I tripped.


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[Assistant] Right? And they just have that ability and then the toughness they have within the size of the package they come in.


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[Assistant] You know, they all, again, Ronde Barber, those guys, it's like, yea, these guys are 185, 190, 200 pounds, and they run around and hit people and play like they're sledgehammers. So, I do love this position. They have to be as fast as the fastest wide receiver.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, uh, kudos, you know, I think, you know, and again, we'll see with CJ Henderson. He hasn't necessarily lived up to the expectation there quite yet either. AJ Terrell.


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[Assistant] AJ Terrell to me was phenomenal and really, you know, he got hurt his hamstring a little this year. He did not have his best year, but he is in the conversation for one of the best corners in football when he's full systems go. He looked like that the year before.


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[Assistant] So we'll see where he, you know, looks this year. But yeaah, the thing I worried about with Akuta...


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[Assistant] Is, I know the testing numbers and all that were good. And then when you watch film, the technique and all that was great. And see, that's where I think the NFL community gets sometimes gets a little too obsessed where they're like, Oh, look at his hip turn and look at his ability to plan on the, you know, plan his foot in the ground and drive and all that.


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[Assistant] When I want to go, yeah, okay, it's really perfect. You're right. Techniques wise, it's perfect. But the ball wasn't broken up. The ball was complete.


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[Assistant] AJ Terrell, you know, his hip turn wasn't quite as good and his foot placement wasn't quite as good, but the ball was incomplete and he knocked it down. And that's where, you know, I'm into the more raw ability that way sometimes, and I think sometimes technique and


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[Assistant] You know, system and players around you sometimes can get convoluted into this corner conversation and I'm a little bit more about just the guy.


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[Assistant] And you know me, I'm a little bit more, and you better be able to play man to man and lock somebody down. Because zone is teachable. I know some people can be better at it than others, but it's teachable. And that, to me, the elite part is being able to, like we said, joke around and cover guys that are 4-3 and go, yeah, shut them down, no problem.


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[Assistant] Well, Derek Stingley, like, I understood that everybody was going to, but the, you know, again, when you haven't played two years, basically,


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[Assistant] As which he, what he did and there was injuries to the lower part of his body and your job is to run. And then when you turn on the film and you go, man, this guy's got really, he's really talented, but wow, he lets up, lets a lot of people catch the ball at him. It doesn't seem to care or show any emotion.


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[Assistant] That bothered me. So yea, you know, this is a position like we were just talking about. You better be feisty as f-


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[Assistant] And you better fight people for every yard and completion there is if you think you're gonna be good in this league at this position. And I think when you look at the top corners, that's where they are. I saw a missing element in that with Derek Stingley Jr. And guess what happened in year one? Some of that showed up.


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[Assistant] Right? It showed up. He certainly shouldn't have been the number one corner off the board. We know who that should have been. Sauce Gardener was the guy last year.


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[Assistant] Corner picked and, and again, you know, got beat out by a six rounder from Villanova to start the year and wasn't playing or starting. And then, you know, injuries happen and he got in the lineup. But again, the concerns I saw there.


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[Assistant] I'm not going to lie, this is a position I feel pretty good about. I feel like I have a pretty good eye about it. I've been around some good ones in college, the NFL, you know, of course played against a few too.


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[Assistant] And, uh, I'm not afraid to puff out my chest a little on these.


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[Assistant] You're dropping into your third all game long or playing Tampa too all game long?


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[Assistant] I'm sorry, it's hard for me to give you like, as great a grade as the guy who's locking somebody up, but oh, okay, he got beat three or four plays or lit up a reception or two. Yeah, okay. Well, 70 plays, he was on an island. It's hard. You were on an island for three plays, but your grade was better.


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[Assistant] Because you drop, so I'm not into that. You don't get a free pass for, you know, oh you dropped into, he backpedaled really nicely into his third all game long.


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[Assistant] He's got a check plus on every play. And then the guy who's locking down a 4-3 receiver and lead up three receptions for 74 yards, he has a negative grade. And it's like, no, that guy's way better. It's not even close.


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[Assistant] Overall, I think so. You know, realistically, you usually get around 20 that are drafted.


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[Assistant] You know, something I said to Pete Demolitis today, I was like, man, the top 15 or 20, they're pretty good. They're players. Like they're going to be around the NFL for a while. Right? So I did not look, I looked at it as a pretty strong group. It's got a little everything here. Top heavy.


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[Assistant] Right? I think there's some stars here. And then it's got a lot of like, okay, this guy will never be a star, but he's going to be a starting corner for a long time in the NFL. Let alone a little bit of everything to go along with it too. You know, like receiver, it's going to be a little bit of eye of the beauty of the beholder. What do we need for our team? What kind of scheme do we play?


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[Assistant] Oh wait, we have two smaller guys, we need a bigger guy, right? It's got a little bit of all of that in this draft for sure.


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[Assistant] Exactly, so you might, exactly, you gotta have, you gotta have a little versatility in your attack in case you're playing, yea, like you're saying, we're playing the bangles. We'd like to have a guy that can cover Jamar chase and his speed and his quickness, but we'd also like to have a guy that's tall and can hang in there with


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[Assistant] T Higgins on the other side and he just doesn't physically dominate us all game long. And I think that's, you know, the balance of here is just trying to figure that out, you know, what works and who's the best overall and what makes sense here.


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[Assistant] You never got to see him against really big time receiver. There were some technique things where you're like,


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[Assistant] Man, I see, but I'm just not sure is this the way he plays or whatever. I think there's just a few things there. That's what happens at the unknown schools, so you just never get to see him tested, so you don't trust it. And, you know, that's definitely the hard thing about those type of guys.


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[Assistant] Not in the way they play, but they're talent level. Right, right. They're big time, talented players. If you had somebody that told me my number three was their number one, I'd go, okay, I get it. You're not crazy for that, right? It's just not my cup of tea. But let me just tell you this and make sure we're clear about this. So far out of the players I've watched, and I have a hard time thinking anybody's gonna up this, alright?


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[Assistant] This dude I'm about to talk to is my new man crush in the world, alright, let alone football.


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[Assistant] And it was the most exciting film to watch.


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[Assistant] at a corner that I can remember in a while. One of the most exciting, fun films to watch of anybody I've seen in a while and


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[Assistant] It was not only the play, it's the attitude, it's the bravado, it's everything you know Chris Sims likes in a corner. Everything. And your number one corner is... Davon Witherspoon.


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[Assistant] I don't, where I'm gonna start is he's, he's up there with one of the most twitchy, sudden people I've ever seen in my life. To the point where when he takes off, you're like, wait, is that real? Did he really get


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[Assistant] To full speed in the half a step, you know? Did he really, like, make a move that quick and break on the ball and then close it?


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[Assistant] Did he really come down and hit that guy like that? Does he think he's Ray Lewis? Did somebody tell him that he's 181 pounds?


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[Assistant] I mean, it's unbelievable, let alone being in what I would say, out of everybody I watch, the most tough positions out of any corner in the draft. It's constant, him on an island. It's constant. Even when they're playing zone, it's like quarters, and it's like, ah, you're kind of still in man. It's as if he never really had a playoff.


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[Assistant] He can do it on both. Bump or off. Both are phenomenal. It's rare to have that. He's got very good play strength for a guy that's 5'11 and a half, 181 pounds. He doesn't know that. He thinks he's 220. Nobody's told him. Yeaah. Right? He's that. But, like, here,


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[Assistant] Here's, I watch these guys on alphabetical order.


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[Assistant] And I went, you know, from one guy that I loved to him.


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[Assistant] And, I mean, here, I'm just gonna write and read my second line. My second line goes, right away I can see, holy shit, twitchy and sudden. I mean, and then I just went, my third round, it's efficient and easy.


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[Assistant] Sudden and concede the ability to accelerate, you know, whether it's downhill or stick it, stick the foot in the ground and changing direction.


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[Assistant] You know, so there's, you know, as compared to my number two guy and my number three guy, he might be a hair tighter in his hips. Okay.


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[Assistant] But it's twitchiness and explosion and acceleration and then I think when you add all that on to like incredibly instinctive


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[Assistant] And sees plays develop in zone or screens or whatever else, you just start to go, what does this guy not have? Other than that, he's not, you know, six two and over 200 pounds. Um, he's phenomenal. I mean, he really is. And, uh, like I said,


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it's aggressive man-to-man coverage. It's not a lot of holding and grabbing, which is another element I should have brought up here. Cause that's something that goes on in college football that's not nearly called to the amount it is in the NFL, where I go, this guy's not gonna get away with this in the NFL. He's gonna get called for this every time.


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[Assistant] This guy plays it legit, does it the right way. Uhm, I'm just amazed. He's a kamikaze, is what he is, let alone being an island shut down corner.


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[Assistant] Shocker, he's a Florida guy? I could have guessed that if I would have gotten, you know what, this guy's a f***ing crazy Florida guy that loves when the bright lights are on and just wants to compete. And I'm saying that in the most loving way because I am the huge believer in Florida guys.


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[Assistant] And you know, you can see some of that, like I knew some of the backstory there about, you know, him not pying and all that, but I don't get too deep into the weeds with all that stuff. But yea, it makes sense. Because, you know, again, there is some, you know,


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[Assistant] Technique issues that maybe are not perfect, but he gets away with it because of how explosive and how he can accelerate and everything there. Which is funny in the draft process, sometimes that's a plus.


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[Assistant] You know, if you're getting in the negatives, it's very few. It's maybe that he's a hair over aggressive. And what I mean by that is that, I mean, he just thought he doesn't want to let you catch any throw, any play, any pass. He sees a slant route. He's like, I'm taking it away. So then there's a double move, but his makeup speed is phenomenal.


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[Assistant] You know, it's a shame we didn't get to see what this guy did as far as Combine, 40, all that type of stuff because he looks like the type of guy that could have a scary 40, 10 yard split, 3 cone drill, 20 yard shuttle, all of that looked like it would be off the charts. But yea, there's not really much


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[Assistant] To look at here and say there's a negative. You know, the technique thing, the hip thing, like I'm talking about, it's minor.


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[Assistant] It means nothing, obviously. He's my number one corner. Everything else checks out. Start stop ability, incredible. You know, plays bigger than his 5'11 size. Got unbelievable ball skills. So, you know, he's different than some of the corners we've seen be the top pick the last few years. Right? Uh, he's different that way.


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[Assistant] And he's not your prototypical like we're talking about. Everybody wants everybody to be 6'1 or 6'2 right now. Right. I think that's a little overblown. I do. I'm not so worried about it. You know, I'm not gonna go...


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[Assistant] The guy that's 6'1", you know, he's not as good at man to man, but he's 6'1".


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[Assistant] You know, and, ah, just because he's 6'1", I'm gonna make him the better corner here. No.


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[Assistant] No, there's, you know, okay, yes, some of those 50-50 ball situations, will the 6-1 guy be better? Sure.


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[Assistant] Some of those 50-50 situations, I'll tell you, he's not going to be there for the 50-50 part because he's going to get burned. So the other guy's there and you go, oh, then we downgrade him and go, he's not that good with 50-50 balls. And I go, okay, this guy's six-four and he's not perfect. I didn't say he was the most perfect human ever.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so those are things we gotta take into account, but, you know, I think he is the perfect modern-day NFL corner, too, because of the inside-outside versatility there.


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[Assistant] Jamar Chase doesn't line up just outside anymore.


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[Assistant] You know, and to the point where we're in love with these big corners, and I know I'm going down here, cause it, it, the, the, the, the big corner, I get it. You gotta have that guy for a DeAndre Hopkins and all that.


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[Assistant] But what we're seeing too is there's nobody in football that can cover the Tyree Kills, the Jalen Waddles, the Jamar Chases of the world. Some of these guys that are unbelievable route runners. Jamar, Justin Jefferson, I'd actually put him in that. Justin Jefferson's, yea, he's good at 50-50s, but that's not really his game.


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[Assistant] His game is shaking you and running great routes. Guys like this are going to be able to cover him really well. So I love, uh, I love this kid as you could tell. My new man crush.


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[Assistant] He's different because he's not the prototype long length guy. I like him better than both of them coming out. I do. Really? I do. Patrick Surtain, as you know, I had Tyson Campbell as the number one corner, which is another one I'd like to say I'm very proud of.


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[Assistant] Cause Tyson Campbell is an all pro-ish guy already, whether the rest of the world knows about it yet or not, that's their fault. But he is.


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[Assistant] In fact, the second half of the year, I would tell you Tyson Campbell played better than Patrick Surtain. In fact, it was almost like immediately after I made my cornerback rankings in the middle of the year. And I went, man, Surtain had like his two worst games of the year right after that, but he's different than those guys and sauce.


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[Assistant] Certainly didn't have some of the twitch and quickness and the change direction movements that this guy has. This guy's on a different level in that department. Sauce beat you, he's got quick feet.


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[Assistant] Sauce Picchu was strength and straight speed, and then his instincts, right? But if he had to get in the slot, like Devin Withers, Devin Witherspoon does a few times and has to play some of the jitterbug type guys, that film wouldn't have looked quite as good.


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[Assistant] Right? So that's, I'm, I'm in love with this. And these are, these are honestly more my kind of guys.


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[Assistant] I'm a little bit more into the, you know, shifty, man to man, really fast explosive guy rather than the taller, straight liner, not that shifty guy. So I, maybe I'm a little more biased towards this guy overall.


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[Assistant] I think so. You know, again, I know some teams play more zone and you might like some of those longer straight line guys.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but you know, one, like you hear me say, you can't play.


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[Assistant] He's on his own all the time anymore. You can't do it all the time. I mean, you got in the Super Bowl, you see, you played Mahomes or Jalen Hurstens, they're just, they're gonna, they're gonna pick you apart. Period.


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[Assistant] There's gotta be some big plays where you gotta go, you gotta play him, man, and we gotta, we can't let him have anything. And, you know, yes, and that's where this guy, these guys have, I think more versatility as far as the guys they can cover in the NFL. Yea, the really, really tall, big guy could be an issue, but the rest of the group,


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[Assistant] I feel like they match up more than the vice versa of what I'm saying. Where the tall, long, skinny corner that's a straight liner, yeaah. He matches up with the tall, straight line receiver, but there's like four other receivers on the team that they're playing that he doesn't match up with again. So that's where I favor, you know, this type of guy more than


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[Assistant] Anthony, Anthony, plug and play 16 as well. This guy fits anywhere, anywhere. It doesn't matter. He could be the best nickel in the football. He could be the best outside corner in football. But that high in the draft, if you have a top 10, top 5 pick.


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[Assistant] I, I would be every bit as com- I would. I'm eh, you know, again, it's...


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[Assistant] The only thing you worry about this guy is long-term is he going to hit himself out. He's that psycho in kamikaze where you're like.


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[Assistant] I hope he doesn't crush himself and break both of his shoulders and, you know, have issues like that because he's just gotten so kamikaze in the NFL. Other than that, there is nothing to worry about. You want people to cover Sky more?


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[Assistant] You want people to cover Keenan Allen? This is your type of mofo right here. You want somebody to shut down Jerry Judy and his great route running? This is your kind of mofo right here.


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[Assistant] Yes, he can play. Seven. Raiders? Definitely. You have a man crush.


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[Assistant] A man crush. I thought this was going to be my next guy I thought was going to be my other man crush, until I saw him.


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[Assistant] You can have two man crushes, right? I can, I can, but one's greater than the other.


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[Assistant] Alright, DJ Turner from Michigan is one where I had no expectations. I had heard the buzz on Devin Witherspoon.


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[Assistant] You know me, I don't care about buzz, but I knew of it. DJ Turner.


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[Assistant] All I knew was he ran a fast 40 at the combat. That's all I knew. 4-2-6 or 8 or something like that? 4-2-6, 1-4-7 split, 38 and a half inch vertical, right?


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[Assistant] Corner in the draft. There's nobody better at technique. You know, like witherspoon, the ability to mirror receivers of the line of scrimmage, the quick feet, is phenomenal.


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[Assistant] His hips better than witherspoon, right? His ability again, like, hey, you know, I'm an, and I'm trying to paint a picture for people, but you know, we're running a go route up the sideline, right? And I'm turned on the inside cause I'm looking back at the quarterback. You know, now the guy makes an out breaking route. His ability to flip those hips, turn and break on the ball.


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[Assistant] It's right up there. It's actually more smooth hip-wise than it is, uh, for Devin Witherspoon. Witherspoon might be a hair twitchier and a hair better with acceleration, so he makes up for not having that hip thing that we talk about, we're talking about here, but I mean,


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[Assistant] What, what more can you say about the guy? Start stop ability amazing, make up speed amazing, you know.


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[Assistant] Other than Witherspoon, I think has put in the second most tough spot set of anybody I watched in this. I mean, he plays man to man in your face a ton against big time receivers. You know, he's awesome defending double moves.


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[Assistant] He can be the nest best nickel or outside guy, you know, and then, and then, oh yeah, he's also the fastest guy in the draft. Like he's got it all. I mean, he really does. His ability to turn and run was the best I saw until I watched witherspoon, which was the next guy after him.


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[Assistant] I would argue, I'm not sure if Witherspoons is better than Turner in that department, right? Turner's ability to turn and close the gap and close on a ball on a go route or whatever, it is, it's, it's effortless.


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[Assistant] He's very comfortable in lowing. I'll stay in your hip pocket because if you decide to turn it on and go, you're not going to be able to turn it on and go as fast as me. So I can stay in the hip pocket and wait for you to make your breakdown, to make your move. And now I'm all over it.


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[Assistant] I mean, his footwork is phenomenal, right? There's only one thing you can question about the guy in my opinion.


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[Assistant] And that's okay, it's like the witherspoon, the size thing. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] The NFL people will figure it out. But I think you're saying it right too. There's not much of a difference there. Is he as physical as Witherspoon? No! I just told you. I don't know if I've ever seen a corner ever as physical as Witherspoon.


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[Assistant] This guy, like, excited me a lot. And you know, back to our element. You know, he never, never looked panicked. It's effortless. His feet are phenomenal. The ability to mirror people to the line of scrimmage is as good as I saw in the draft, other than Witherspoon.


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[Assistant] Transition at a backpedal is the most efficient one there was, right? The turn and run I talked about, hips awesome, acceleration, makeup speed, all that. You know, no one really gets open against the guy ever. Now, do people catch the ball? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] But okay, like, Marvin Harrison Jr. is gonna be a top 15 pick next year.


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[Assistant] Oh my gosh, he caught a ball? Like, oh, so, so this is the thing I was shocked about is I was kind of like, I get done with my rankings and then I start to go, I wonder where other people, DJ Turner's not on anybody's top five radar?


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[Assistant] I read everybody's description and it reads like a top five corner in the draft, but then he's like, way down the list. And I don't understand it.


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[Assistant] Out of the guys I watched too, he had, other than Witherspoon, had the attitude I liked.


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[Assistant] He's in your face. He's letting you know it. He's playing outside. They throw a receiver screen. He's physical to take on blockers. He's physical to hit receivers when they catch the ball or they're going over the middle.


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[Assistant] You know, again, Witherspoon's taken some of his luster, but he was kinda gonna be the guy I was like, I was all excited about when I was getting done, you know, like, oh my gosh, this guy's, he's, finally there's a guy that really has the attitude of everything I like. And then I watched Witherspoon and I went, oh shit, he's a little bit better in some of those departments.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I have no like, you know, the play strength, tackling, you know, gets a lot of tough man to man situations, has a cockiness that you know I love, right? His only negative is that size department.


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[Assistant] And I know that there were some bigger receivers that pushed off of them or made some catches. Well, let me talk about that.


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[Assistant] You know, some of the guys that I see ranked, you know, again, in top five, I want to go, they're not there even for the 50-50 aspect. He's open and it's a hundred percent he's going to catch it because your guy's not there.


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[Assistant] So that's where, so he's being docked for the fact that he's in everybody's grill all the time.


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[Assistant] And now he has to make every play or we look at it as a negative. We're looking at it as a negative. Oh, he let up a catch against Quinton Johnston, the guy that's 6'4 and one of the freakiest of the freaks in the draft. Okay, great.


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[Assistant] Quentin Johnson's gonna do that to Jalen Ramsey next year. He's gonna do it to the other big corners in the draft that people are...


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[Assistant] Let alone, they might not even been there to be in that con, you know, that conversation of being in the 50-50. So that's where I feel like I don't understand it. I really don't understand where.


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[Assistant] He is, and I'm not gonna be affected by it, I'm not, but uhm, yeaah, to me, this is a...


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[Assistant] When I watch him, I just go, this is a little slightly less version of Witherspoon, and I'm not sure if some of his man-to-man skills aren't better and aren't going to translate even better to the NFL. It's close. Witherspoon as an overall player is better, more impressive, physical. I get it. I'm pure man-to-man. I think it's closer than, than, than I think people are giving a credit for.


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[Assistant] How few steps it takes him to make the cuts. Like he's in a backpedal and he just puts one foot in the ground and he comes forward. It's not like I gotta take four steps to stop and slow down, right? He goes full speed sideways, it's like chop, chop, and he goes back the other way.


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[Assistant] There, that's what I mean. Look how smooth that is. And then there's a, he can put his foot in the ground and open up his hips. He doesn't have to like redirect his whole body and go, okay, wait, rest of the body, let's get straight. So now we can go that way. He can kind of do it.


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[Assistant] And that's where it's going to give him the ability to be in a bad position or cover a double move or a guy that runs a post corner. He's going to, he's going to be great at that stuff.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's just down the list for some people as, as he is. Because, I mean, again, Tyree Kill on the other side of the ball, where did they have him ranked? I don't even know. But, whoever you just read, the PFF. Yeah, I don't know.


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[Assistant] 19th. Oh yea, that's, yea, that's, that's, they're way, way low, and they will be way low for that. I don't, I don't understand that. And then that's where, I don't understand, just read your comment. That just, that doesn't say 19. That does not say 19. And then I want to know where the negatives, just, that's all


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[Assistant] Yeaah, right. Well, here's another thing too that I noticed too. Like, you know, we talked about, you know, a little bit of the holding by DBs and all that. Him and Witherspoon play it legit NFL-wise. Like, there is no grabbing, there's no holding that, like, you go to college, you get away with this, you get away with this. They play it real.


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[Assistant] And, the frustrating thing is, they have a lot of good plays.


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[Assistant] Where you go, what a great play. And they call pass interference on them. And you go, that was pass interference on the receiver.


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[Assistant] And they're calling it on the DB. I mean, the DBs, poor DBs. That's the one thing that jumped out to me watching college football DBs the last few days. Tough life. Oh my gosh. There are so many plays where I go, man, that was blatant offensive pass interference. And they, they show on the film that they call it a defense. And I'm like, Oh my God, are you kidding me?


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[Assistant] It's, it's pitiful. The, the really, the fans and the media have lost, or the referees have lost track of what past interference is.


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[Assistant] Pick apart here. This is why they're all in tier one. This is nitpicky stuff. We're talking about awesome versus awesome versus awesome, right? Now, Christian Gonzalez, unlike the other two,


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's got a little more size and meat on his bones.


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[Assistant] The T. Higgins of the world, the bigger receivers of the world, they're gonna have a harder time pushing him around and doing that stuff. He's got incredible ball skills. You know, technique, off the charts good, all of that. There's not here, there's not much here, I mean, he looks prototype.


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[Assistant] He looks Darrell Rivas, Champ Bailey-ish in his uniform, right? So it, it looks awesome.


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[Assistant] And the film is awesome too, okay. It really is. You know, his straight speed is real. His ability to, you know, plant his foot in the ground.


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[Assistant] You know, break on the ball, out of transition, all that, it is really, really good. But it's not as good as the two before. The two before were outstanding in that department. I mean, outstanding. When I talk about put the foot in the ground, drive on the ball, break it up.