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[Assistant] And other sports, you see athletes start to struggle. I mean, they can't do certainly you look at Michael Jordan later in his career. He famously, you know, developed a jump shot because he wasn't as athletic. He wasn't stronger, bigger, faster like he was earlier in his career, but he wasn't limping around like this. I think it's more forget about how he was playing golf. You look at some of the video of what we saw at Augusta.


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[Assistant] I mean, it was shocking to see how difficult it was for him to get around that golf course and you, we don't get that from other athletes in their primes because I mean, if you're in the NFL, if you're a lineman, if your ankle is that jacked up, you're not going to try to play. Like that's just, you're going to be on the sideline. You're going to be watching same thing with every other sport in this particular sport.


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[Assistant] Allows that pathway, allows that avenue, which I think is almost.


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[Assistant] A disadvantage for someone like Tiger Woods, who is so uniquely driven, who has this idea that I can overcome anything, but please tell me no, because I know I can prove you wrong, and to a large degree, this is what's driving him. He talked about it earlier this month at Augusta, about why are you able to do this, and he goes, because I'm stubborn.


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[Assistant] He doesn't want to hear no. And so this is something that's so unique to golf, so unique to Tiger Woods, because look, Aaron Rodgers, he's probably gonna end up limping around a lot for the New York Jets, if I had to guess. However, it's not going to be like that. Hey, as long as he plays 65% of the snaps, he's good.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's such an interesting deal. He's not going to be limping around or moving that gingerly because someone's going to drag him off the field before that happens. No one can really drag Tiger off the field.


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[Assistant] No, no, what's going on behind you? That's where we got a whole new look. You don't have the awards. You don't have the dogs barking. What's happening? Where are we?


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[Assistant] I mean, I could drag the Emmy out here. I could drag the writing awards out here.


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[Assistant] Qualifying is one thing, like that's a whole different conversation and they could certainly look at what happened at Augusta, three of the top six players at the Masters were live players. So they're certainly playing. We're going to have this conversation later. We've already talked about it before. The idea that these aren't still.


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[Assistant] But got it, but again, it's not that different when you look at the context of these players only have three more opportunities. The Masters is over, so they're only going to really get three more opportunities to prove themselves.


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[Assistant] So you could argue that John Daly really only had two opportunities to prove himself. So to go to it, yes, they could qualify and it is interesting to see that there is still a pathway back for them. I can't imagine in any scenario where either captain and that's Luke Donald or Zach Johnson would make a live player.


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[Assistant] Uh, uh, pick simply because of the politics involved and look, it's the PGA of America. This is not the PGA tour, but this goes back to, this goes back to the ecosystem.


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[Assistant] And I do not see, I mean, Zach Johnson and Luke Donald have since the very beginning.


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[Assistant] Uh, uh, for instance out there, that Brooks Kepka is somehow played his way into the top ten. He's not automatically qualified, but he's eight.


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[Assistant] Uh, no, I said popularity, I didn't say political contest, I said a popularity contest.


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[Assistant] You asked me what I would do and yes, I'm bringing DJ into that team because we have talked about this and we saw it at Augusta National where he was welcomed back. People missed DJ. They like DJ. They still hang around DJ in South Florida. They go to the same restaurants. They go to the same gym.


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[Assistant] So yes, in that scenario, I can imagine where the guys are like, Hey, we like Kurt Kadiyama a lot, but we really like DJ. So yeah, in my mind.


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[Assistant] He is, the problem with that is he didn't particularly play well at the Masters, right? And so, again, this goes to what we talked about going into the Masters. Oh, he's like 30, he's like 30th in points. Like, it would be...


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, yeah. So now it's not even, so now it's not even close. So you can't even make that argument. No, he's got to play better.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so unless DJ plays really, really well in the next three majors and somehow finds a way to do that, but, but you're right. Yes. He hasn't done any of the wrong things. People like him. He has a track record that would make him an easy pick, but you can't really point the Brooks that way. As you pointed out, you can't put.


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[Assistant] Uh, look at Patrick Reed the same way or Bryson DeChambeau or I'll keep going down the list. Like they, there simply isn't that runway for those players. And the reason I say it's going to be easier for the Europeans is because the European tour has opened that door.


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[Assistant] Because of the ruling that happened earlier this month in sports resolution UK and because of the way Keith Pelli, the CEO of the DP World Tour reacted to it, I think they, they are considering an a la carte option where I think they're opening the door to the idea that, okay, you can play. Yes, exactly. You can play.


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[Assistant] The live tour, however you're going to have to do this to maintain your status on our tour. I'm not saying there's going to be any live players that are going to have any interest in that, but if you put the carrot that is the Ryder Cup on the end of it, I think there is the possibility for that. There is zero possibility for that happening on the US side.


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[Assistant] I mean, John Romm's going to come to pass for Sergio Garcia. John Romm's going to step in for Sergio Garcia, whether or not if his voice has any sway.


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[Assistant] But like, he wants to still play with Sergio Garcia, that's clear.


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[Assistant] Well, and you and I had fun at the Masters because in our little tiny studio area, there's not a lot of room there, so I don't know how to explain it. It was more like a closet.


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[Assistant] So I don't think that they want to press the panic button quite yet. Cause you also have the stars. You have Roy who's playing great. You have John Rahm who's playing great. There is still this solid core and you can bring in this.


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[Assistant] Well these guys are gonna be allowed to play in DP World Tour events, so that's why this is different. So if they come up with some sort of scenario where they can share...


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[Assistant] And, and look, when you, when you, when you talk to people on the European side, the idea is, okay, we'll, we'll give you this out. You can still play the live golf tour. We'll give you your releases, but in exchange, you have to play X amount of events. You have to play the Irish open and pick.


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[Assistant] No way. Not legally. After combing through...


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[Assistant] No, even those are getting flushed out. I don't think you want anything that even remotely looks like collusion in this particular. I mean, this is all about what LibGolf and to a certain, to a lesser extent, the Public Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia is calling that sort of collusion, that sort of antitrust behavior. No way. I don't see that happening.


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[Assistant] And put himself in the conversation. I don't think that's a fair assumption right now.


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[Assistant] Well, and I'll, I'll, let's go one further. Like, only one of their guys finished tied for second.


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[Assistant] So let's say somehow Phil Mickelson finds a way to rekindle the matter. No way. No way. You're cutting that off right there. Not even a conversation.


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[Assistant] This is over five years, who's gonna pay attention and decide who won this?


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[Assistant] The pick is in, uh, Rex Hoggard with the first pick in the mock draft goes with Scottie Scheffler, Scottie Scheffler, who is not the world number one. And I bounced between obviously he and Jon Rahm for this first pick and I didn't know which one I would go with. I guess I would lean only in Scottie's.


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[Assistant] direction because he is younger and as I kind of went down my list, I figured out the average age of the top 10 players in the world ranking is 29.


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[Assistant] Scottie is 26 years old and if I had to choose and this is man, we're splitting hairs. John, if you're listening to this, I'm sorry. Please don't get at me. I apologize in advance. But if you're going to split hairs between these two players.


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[Assistant] He's gonna find me and not be happy. If you're gonna split hairs between these two players, the only advantage I could, the only two advantages I could find for Scotty. One, he's two years younger, which is not much, but still it's younger. And two,


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[Assistant] I have since the very beginning and continue to have concerns that John Rahm and his health because he is a large man. I'm not saying you're overweight. I'm not saying you're fat. Like please don't.


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[Assistant] Don't do that to me. However, he is large. I think his weight is something he's going to have to focus on. So with the first pick, I went with Scottie Schiffler.


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[Assistant] Uh, no imaging. Okay, very good. Guess we'll just move on with this. Uh, and let's keep these tight moving forward because your long-winded response for John Rahm is going to take us eight hours to do this.


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[Assistant] There it is, thank you. Uh, with the second pick, and again, this is another one that I sat and wrestled with for the last 24 hours. The third overall.


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[Assistant] Third overall, uh, my second pick, uh, Patrick Cantlay. And the reason is he's so efficient with every part of his game when you break him down.


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[Assistant] Patrick Cantlay is probably the one I like the best, and here's why, and I'll make this quick. I did this column a few years ago. I was trying to find out whatever the magic number is for golf. This was sort of based on...


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[Assistant] The whole moneyball concept and the one thing that I have, everyone started coming back to you that what's the most important stat for success on the PGA tour and it's driving. I mean, not only do you have to hit long, but you got to find fairways, whatever the case may be. He's number two in strokes game off the tee. And if you look at his game, there's no weaknesses. Patrick Cantlay.


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[Assistant] Uh, that was good. Yeaah, I was on the fence between Pat and Xander at that pick, because I feel like they're both the same. Xander's a little bit younger, but yeaah, Imaging please.


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[Assistant] No imaging? Alright, we're not doing it again. Very good. This is, this is, there it is.


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[Assistant] Is the computer buffering every time? Is that what's taking so long? Yeah, I have to keep loading it.


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[Assistant] I'm a little surprised actually that he fell this far. Rory McIlroy is my next pick. And the only drawback with Rory of course, this is a five year plan as you pointed out, these are rookie contracts and at the end of this contract Rory would be 38 years old. So it didn't, I guess I shouldn't be that surprised. However,


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[Assistant] I'm not picking him because I think he's going to win the career Grand Slam because as we've talked about, that seems like it's getting further and further away as he gets further down. But he's still going to win. He's going to win a lot. He's probably going to win more major championships. And I just feel like at this stage in his career. He hasn't, he hasn't won one in almost a decade.


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[Assistant] That's true. And again, as that gets further away, it's hard to imagine. I just, I can't let them slip any further.


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[Assistant] I like that pick, although we should pan to the crowd that you have not chosen Jordan Spieth yet. That's gotta be the upset of the night so far. Somehow he traded down not to get Jordan Spieth. That doesn't make any sense. Imaging please. This is the last time.


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[Assistant] I told you that was gonna be a lot of work. I told you that, oh, you're taking on a lot, but by all means, keep it up. I'm with you. I'm gonna go younger with this pick simply because you're looking forward. We're trying to project ahead. Sam Burns was on my big board, but I had actually Cameron Young.


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[Assistant] Two things. One thing, uh, again, this goes back to just, he's really, really good off the tee. 11th stroke's gain off the tee. The other stat that kind of stands out that, you know, talking with the people who know much more about this than I do, pretty average.


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[Assistant] Is something that everyone sort of looks at and says, you can clean up the other parts of your game. But if a guy makes a ton of birdies, we can figure out the rest of it. Like just, just make a lot of birdies. Kim Young is third on tour in birdie average. Now I don't want him at the microphone. I don't want him to be the face of the franchise, but I like him as a young player.


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[Assistant] Uhm, this one is kind of tough. I don't want to, yeaah, I don't want to circle back around. I like going young. I think the entire team is based on what we're going to look like five years from now. So to go with that theme, Tom Kim.


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[Assistant] To I'm going to go with the next pick. I mean, we all know what he did last year at the president's cup and I had my doubts more than anyone. And I think let's call that president's cup. The combine is I was really impressed by what Tom can stick there.


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[Assistant] That's what I was about to say, yea, they, they, they, I like whose best in shorts and that would be Tom Kim. No, I, I just think he showed, just not me, I think he showed everyone that he...


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[Assistant] There's a fire inside and there are plenty, I mean, both our lists are just littered with top players who have tons and tons of potential.


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[Assistant] Breaking through that potential and finding a way to maximize it. That's the hard part. And he was able to do that.


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[Assistant] Under probably the most pressure of his very very young career, but he was able to do it when you had an entire team.


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[Assistant] And that's probably the hardest thing to do. And so I just love the idea that he was able to piece it together long before. I mean, look, I love Adam Scott, but he's never been able to be sort of that star under that spotlight. So you got to give Tom King, Tom Kim credit for what he did.


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[Assistant] I feel like we wasted too much time talking about Tiger Woods in the Ryder Cup. We should have just gotten to the draft. This is what we both wanted to do. This is the good stuff.


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[Assistant] Yeah, let's be honest. Uh, that's interesting because I was right on the fence about where and when I wanted to take JT. And I was almost like, I was gonna match you toe for toe on that one because I feel like,


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[Assistant] This is almost a wash, right? You picked Jordan, I picked JT, simply for the reasons you just pointed out.


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[Assistant] At the end of his contract, he is going to be a little on the older side. However, the upside at this point in the draft as my six pick in the draft, I really liked JT.


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[Assistant] Sure, sure, sure. And give me the list of how many 20-somethings who had a microdisectomy that went on just to be world beaters. Just to do the comparison.


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[Assistant] Uh, I, I love Will. I, it was one of the- I think his upside- I think his-


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[Assistant] I mean, that's too many alarm bells. Okay, his win last year in Memphis. He's going at 12!


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[Assistant] That's just a bad sign. And I want nothing but the best for him because he is an exciting player. His win in Memphis was probably the most enjoyable event I covered last year simply because of you could see the emotion of what it meant to him. Not just winning, but the way he did with making the clutch putts and that was always sort of the thing that we pointed at. But this is way too good.


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[Assistant] He could almost have three major championships with this. I'm not taking him fourth overall. I'm taking him at 10. He's got a major surgery under his belt already. So I don't know which one of those things at 26 years old I'm comfortable with.


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[Assistant] I kept pushing this guy down and I can't believe he's available at my seventh pick, but Tony Fino. He simply, uh, he probably hasn't lived up to the potential that he would want. Like forget about what we think he's going to do, but you look at what he does well statistically across the board. There's no reason to think that he can't break through. And I imagine him being sort of that David Duvall.


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[Assistant] He just keeps winning and I just think it's a matter of time before that happens in the major championships, the biggest events, going back to number four and birdie average. The dude knows how.


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[Assistant] To go out and score and the one stat that started as I was sort of looking through this strokes game world ranking, which I don't 100% understand, but it was a way to sort of break it down in a little bit shorter window in my mind, instead of using this two year rolling window.


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[Assistant] He's sixth, and I just think he's such a good pick at this, at this point. I think he's a great pick.


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[Assistant] Well, and I love the way he reinvented himself. You don't see that in golf very often, where you just realize that, okay, here is what I'm really, really bad at.


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[Assistant] Or this is where I'm insufficient when compared to the rest of the competitors that I go up against and the fact that he was able to transform himself and not just become a decent driver, but becoming very, very, very good player off the tee. He was on my board that that one. I feel like you stole from me. So good for you on that one.


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[Assistant] This one, uh, I didn't pivot on. I had him on my list and I'm actually surprised that you let him go this far. I guess there are some concerns. Victor Hoblin, I like the upside.


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[Assistant] On this one. In his short game is still a huge concern for me. But watching him?


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[Assistant] At the Masters earlier this month, I think both of you and I both sat and watched some of those shots that he hit in and around those greens, which it isn't the easiest place to sort of put yourself in an awkward position and try to get up and down. And he showed me something there. So I, I, I like Victor at specifically at this spot because he's young and I just think there's so much potential there.


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[Assistant] Uh, these are where it gets interesting, or at least in my mind, these last two picks, because you can go one of two ways. I've been trying to trend a little bit on the young side and trying to look into- Should. As you should. It's a young man's game.


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[Assistant] It is a young man's game. Uh, there's some veterans that I'd like to take a look at, like Jason Day.


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[Assistant] Thank you very much. A little late on that. But still the imaging is coming. I know you got your hands full right now. You got a lot of things going on. Uh, Jason Day was someone that, if you look at the way he plays... Jason Day! You have concerns about Will Zalatoros! No, no, no, no. I'm not picking Jason Day. I'm just trying to explain where the thought process went in here. I love the way he's playing right now.


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[Assistant] I love the potential he has right now. Five years from now? I'm not quite sure.


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[Assistant] Uh, maybe. And you look at his family. I mean, there's a lot of things. We just had this stupid conversation about Tony Fee now. Certainly, Jason Day's family factored into where he's going to be five years from now for all the right reasons. Like, Jason Day wants to be a dad. He wants to be home. I understand that. So I'm going to continue on my track and I'm going to go with Sahih Tagala, uh, for a lot of different reasons. Probably if you look at,


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[Assistant] Again, we're looking at upside now. You're looking at best athlete, regardless of position, I guess would be the comparison here, right? Like if you're


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[Assistant] If you've got the eighth pick in the first round, are you trying to fill a specific hole or are you trying to go after the best athlete? In this case, I'm going after the best athlete because I feel like he has that look about him. So it's a hit.


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[Assistant] I have two names at the top of my list that I've filtered out. Max Homa would be one. At 32 years old, uh, and look, it's impressive to see what Max- Over the hill you're saying for.


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[Assistant] No, no, it just, he just didn't fit into the theme of my team, which I'm going to continue to trend young with my last pick.


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[Assistant] No, you know what this is? It's not a theme. I'm sorry. I got that wrong. Uh, the process.


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[Assistant] Of what I want my team to be. The ethos. You want the ethos of this team?


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[Assistant] It's going to be the process. I think I've heard that somewhere else before. The process. Uh, and the second name on that list is Cam Smith.


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[Assistant] Because again, it goes to, I said that earlier in the podcast, I've said it a thousand times, Cam Smith is still a top five player in the world. He, he certainly is a top five talent in the world. I don't care what the world rankings say. If you look at what he was able to do in a very, very condensed window.


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[Assistant] With his career, it's amazing. I mean, last year should have been just a benchmark of, oh, he's going to be a very special athlete. I couldn't bring myself to drafting him.


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[Assistant] Because I don't know how much he's actually going to play on the PGA Tour or live golf for that matter. I can't draft a player.


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[Assistant] True, but of those 14, none of those are going to help you as your team. So essentially you've drafted a player that's only going to play in 4 of your 18 games next season and he's going to play in another league for the other 14.


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[Assistant] No, we're not changing the game now cause you messed up and decided to go with the game.


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[Assistant] He went with the box score. He had a win on Liv.


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[Assistant] Uh, that's fine, he can have a win on lift. Actually, I think he won the Aussie PGA, Australian PGA last year, did he not? That doesn't count either, toward your totals.


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[Assistant] Yes, and look, because we glossed over Brooks Koepka, we glossed over Dustin Johnson for these exact reasons. Like Brooks Koepka was in contention until- DJ, DJ, I would not-


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[Assistant] Uh, I think DJ when this guy drags up is probably dumb playing golf. If I had to guess Brooks, however, shows a unique motivation that wasn't there before he went to live. So I could have seen either one of those, but again, what you're doing is you're saying you drafted someone that can only play in one quarter of your games as a GM. I don't know if that's a, that's a great idea.


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[Assistant] I want my team to be young that way five years from now. They're all reaching their peak, which seems to be, again, I'll go back to that 29 year range for the top 10 players in the world. And he's a rookie on the PGA tour and he has been impressive. Taylor Montgomery.


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[Assistant] Which I know is probably going to be a shock to you. I love the way he's a, he's a version of Dustin Johnson with the way he carries himself. Maybe, maybe, but I have the 19th pick. So I, I feel like I'm, I'm pretty comfortable here and I wanted to go young with someone and I'm just feel so comfortable with Taylor Montgomery having


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[Assistant] Met him a couple of times and got to know his story. This dude made it, you know, made his chops.


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[Assistant] Playing money games, big money games in Vegas and I asked him point blank did you have big money to lose and he did not and I'd love sort of that mentality makes a ton of birdies. He hits it long again. I compare him to Dustin Johnson was sort of the way he carries himself the way he hits the ball. So with my last pick, Taylor Montgomery.


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[Assistant] What in his body of work makes you believe that he's going to figure out how to get it done in the major? Because he hasn't yet. He doesn't have a top 10. As a matter of fact, his best finish is a T40. Ever.


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[Assistant] Upward trajectory at 32 years old. So at the end of the contract he's 37. You're still going to be paying him at 37 years old. This sounds like a Daryl Strawberry contract by the way.


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[Assistant] That was such a, like a, like a balloon you just set up here. Just, just pick the top 10 names. Like I might as well just autodraft if you're gonna, I'm gonna do it off that list. Come on, let's go. Alright, top prospect. I will give you, give you the first pick. I get the first pick?


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[Assistant] It is kind of hard for me and this is a two-fold deal because I actually, what you don't know is I went out to the SEC tournament last week at Sea Island when I was up there for my son's birthday and spent some time talking with coaches and agents and equipment reps and actually had an idea of who to watch and who to not. So my hands are not quite as tied as you thought. Uh, the first pick is going to be interesting. However, uhm, I love the Texas Tech kid Ludwig Aberg.


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[Assistant] Sure, sure, sure. I love him. You know what bothers me about him? He doesn't win enough.


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[Assistant] In his career, he's won four times in college. That's not enough for me. Sorry. So, based on the people, my people, uh, again at SEC, uh,


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[Assistant] Caleb Surratt, who won SECs by about a million, uh, he won't be there for his senior year, from what I'm being told. He's a special talent, unique talent. He's a freshman right now, so I'm gonna have to wait a year or two probably, but he's got the total game.


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[Assistant] Oh, no doubt, no doubt. And I was just sort of, sort of lost in who to pick first because he was certainly on my list. He would have been next. He would have been my second pick. So it's not completely, the only thing again that turned me off to him is that he's only got four wins in college, which I already.


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[Assistant] And this goes back to trying to pick the first player in, in our previous draft where, you know, established players, you know, the difference between Scottie Scheffler right now and John Rahm is minute. Certainly look at the world ranking and look at the fractions of points. Uh, can I have the imaging please? I'll wait.


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[Assistant] Oh god, I like that. Mock prospect draft 1.0. Uh, I am going to go with Gordon, Sergeant, and I felt like at Augusta, there was hype.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, I know, I felt like at Augusta there was some hype, uh, maybe it was deserved, maybe it wasn't. I mean, when you're playing a practice round with a Roy McElroy and you drive it by Roy by 30 yards, yes, people are going to notice and that's going to get some headlines. That to me in and of itself doesn't really necessarily prove that he's going to be special.


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[Assistant] At that next level, but he certainly turned some heads there. I guess what impressed me the most is how, again, walking up and down the reins last week at SECs, he sort of has


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[Assistant] The golf ball coming off his club face sounds different and he makes people turn and watch. And there aren't many people in the history of game, in the history of the game who have done that. Tiger Woods would certainly be atop that list. He hits it a mile and I think he's going to figure out.


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[Assistant] This is the important part here. He's got to figure out the off speed stuff.


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[Assistant] Like he's going to have a lot of wedges on the PGA tour because he hits it so far. But the trick is being able to take advantage of that. And it took Dustin Johnson, probably two, three, four years as a professional. He had to work very, very hard with Butch Harmon to figure out sort of that off speed stuff. I think Gordon Sargent can do that. And if he does, he could be a very, very special player.


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[Assistant] Oh, I thought we were doing five. Alright, no, no, nevermind, I'm good with that.


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[Assistant] Okay, uh, I'm a little disappointed because I did quite a bit of research for this one because as you pointed out, this is not my area of expertise any longer. So I did reach out to quite a few friends of mine who are in the business. Hey Jolly at Cleveland golf. Thank you. Thank you so much. Like Nick Dunlap.


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[Assistant] This is, I went to people, let's don't be, David Ford, the North Carolina sophomore, he's a lefty, reminds everybody of a better version of Brian Harmon. I can keep going on and on.


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[Assistant] Do you find Brian Harman's swing, I again don't want to anger Brian Harman, but do you find his swing aesthetically pleasing? Who's? Brian Harman? Brian Harman.


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[Assistant] Wait, oh, was I really doing live? I mean, I was just kind of going through. Preston Summerhase, I've actually watched him quite a bit of golf. Arizona State sophomore, uhm, his dad, obviously his boy, we love him, we know what he means to the game. Sister Grace is a stud as well.


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[Assistant] Uh, and the thing, and Preston is fulfilling that promise. Like it's hard when the expectations are on you, when you have a last name like Summer Haze and you go to Arizona State, it's hard to live up to those expectations and he's doing it. So that would be my, my fifth pick.


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[Assistant] Before the Anwai, you called it, did you not? You said she was gonna win, she won everything else.


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[Assistant] I'll start with Bunk Makes Trip to the ER. We had a senior, my youngest is a senior in high school. We had an awards banquet last night and when we were walking out it was raining. I went to go get the car as a good gentleman should. I look up and she's walking.


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[Assistant] But, uh, she seems in good spirits this morning. So that, that's what we had going on. And I will say this, as I pointed out, I was at Sea Island last weekend. It was my middle son's birthday and he wanted to play golf. And so we got to play some cool places. We got to play Frederica, which he loves and it's one of my favorite spots on the planet. But the other thing you want to do. Oh yeah. Love me some Frederica. Where is it? There it is. The Fred. How about that?


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[Assistant] Um, Southern Seoul, we made a trip into Southern Seoul and the owners were there and kind of walked us through the new, they have kind of a new smokehouse and I was actually in there, everyone got so mad at me because it was my wife, the bunk man, it was my son and my son's girlfriend and I was in there for like an hour because he sort of walked me through the Burnton process. I think I'm going to try it this weekend. I was taking notes.


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[Assistant] And when is this? When is this going down? Uh, this weekend, hopefully. Uh, well, it'd have to be Saturday, because you and I are leaving on Sunday. That's right. What time's the flight?


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[Assistant] Uh, the game's actually not terrible. Uh, I need to go to the range a couple times this week, see if I can work out the driver, which had been moving along very nicely and doesn't seem to be heading in that direction any longer, but I feel confident we can figure it out. Uh, I have played Pebble, and you know, this is not to say that Pebble's not special. Never played LACC, so by far.


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[Assistant] I'm looking forward to it, because by all accounts, people who know the game, who I trust their opinions, they say that, look, it's more than just a private club. It's a very, very good golf course.


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[Assistant] The PJ. That's right. Monday night after we finish up at LACC, we get on the PJ and go to Monterey for Pebble Beach the next day. And you can't gloss over that. And then I get on a red eye to go to Wells Fargo to work. But yes.


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[Assistant] There's gonna be quite a few players. Like, Wells Fargo seemed to be the target when I talked to players in the Bahamas about this. And again, this has nothing to do...


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[Assistant] I don't know why, I had to catch the stray when you were doing the Calloway read, which you did very professionally by the way, outside of the juvenile-like jab in my direction.


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[Assistant] If not juvenile. Uh, my game held up, uh, okay. First two days, it was a three day tournament. This is about, yeaah, this seems about right. If I'm gonna play well, it's probably gonna be for one out of three days or maybe if I'm lucky one and a half. If I can get 27 holes.


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[Assistant] Out of a 54 whole week, I feel like I've played decently. Uh, my, my son, drugged me around and we actually placed in our division. I think we came in second in our division. Wow! My god!


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, so I ended up winning a putter, which I was very happy with, and I will never see, because apparently my son thinks that, well I did more for this than you did, so I'm gonna keep it. How about that?


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[Assistant] No, I'm good. I'm happy with my putter. It was just, uh, giving you an idea of what I'm working with when it comes to a teammate. We're not exactly JT and Jordan here.


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[Assistant] Looking forward to our next outing. There was, there was a little, some back and forth. There was some angry dad, why would you hit it over there? And son, you know, why do you close your eyes when you putt? There was a lot of that going on over the course of three days. So I don't think the next captain's sending us out together.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I bet it can get very, very steamy there during NCAAs. The green complexes are very, very challenging, I can attest to that. And if you're playing from the T's that those people play from, it doesn't sound like a very enjoyable experience. Those people. Those people. It doesn't sound like a very enjoyable experience. But the first two days were a lot of fun. It was true north the first day and then the second day we played one of the courses at Wicapop.


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[Assistant] Which was the casino where we stayed in the casino is a whole different story. It was interesting watching the 19 year old in the casino.


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[Assistant] Uh, this augur didn't lose any. Here's the deal, if someone who doesn't play blackjack a lot, the worst thing that could possibly happen is to win your first four or five hands, right? So if that happens... Well this is easy!


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, and you're just gonna let it ride, and so he was up 80 or 90 dollars, and I was literally, the devil on his shoulder, literally whispering in his ear, why don't we walk away now? Why don't we walk away now?


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[Assistant] Yes. He didn't, so he ended up losing like 20 or 40 bucks or whatever it is. It was his money. So I was fine with it. But the only dad moment that I had and I said, look around. Do you think they build buildings like this because people know how to walk away when they're out?


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[Assistant] Uh, no. But I am sad I missed the team gathering. You sound like you guys had fun at the ravenous pig.


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[Assistant] You pointed out two things that I found was interesting and then in the very last paragraph that they refer to a, to golf as, or professional golf has reached a seminal moment, which I, I found interesting because Augusta has largely been very quiet when it comes to this. Has it not?


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[Assistant] If you look at kind of the other majors, they've sort of been the ones that are playing this closer to the best than the others.


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[Assistant] And you get an idea of how they want to be a part of this. There was a lot of talk last week at the PNC about this because there were players, JT was there, Jordan was there, Tiger was there, who were asked repeatedly about, do you think they would change the criteria? And they're under the mindset, and I think you and I are under the same mindset. There's no reason.


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[Assistant] For Augusta or any of the other majors at this point to change their criteria. Certainly not the US Open or the Open Championship. They are by definition open so I don't even know


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[Assistant] I think all but three, by my last count, all but three of the little players have fallen out of the top 15 in the world.


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[Assistant] Which means, unless you have some other way to qualify, which for the Masters, it would be Phil and Patrick Reed and the former champs. Yeah, Dustin Johnson, the pre past champions in the field. You don't have to. And look, if they don't do it, and I think we've had this conversation before, if somehow Augusta felt like they did need to make a statement.


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[Assistant] You and I both know, we're going to spend the entire week talking about people who aren't there, as opposed to the players who are there.


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[Assistant] And the competition that is taking place. I don't think Augusta National wants any part of that.


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[Assistant] Well, and the idea that Dustin Johnson or Kamp Smith is probably the best two examples that you can comment wouldn't have been in those fields. Certainly at Augusta national with it being the first major championship, that was going to be a bigger problem than whatever it is having been there on property for that week.


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[Assistant] Like, I'm sure that they're not going to be tasked with doing a press conference.


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[Assistant] So that's not going to be an issue. So all you kind of have to worry about if you're Augusta, if you do worry about anything is what they might say to reporters on the side and you and I both know that's not the easiest thing to do there. So it's a very controlled atmosphere.


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[Assistant] At Augusta, they're gonna make sure that the narrative does not overwhelm the tournament. In this case, if you...


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[Assistant] Did some sort of changes to the criteria, it would have overwhelmed the tournament. So no, this is, this can't be a huge surprise to anyone, I wouldn't imagine.


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[Assistant] Well, I think there's one, I can think of at least one thing that's going to, I'm sure, get addressed, and that's what happens to the fall events, right? I mean, once the fall events become whatever it is they're going to become next year, which is essentially just seeding tournaments.


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[Assistant] The understanding from the tour's point of view, at least the players and the members of the policy board that I talked to was...


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[Assistant] They were going to maintain, I'm talking about the fall events, maintain that invitation to the Masters, which is very, very important because you're kind of losing a lot of...


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[Assistant] You're losing the biggest part of what makes the fall even functional by turning them into these seeding series events. I don't know if that's actually going to be the case because if you end up with fields that are demonstrably worse than what you end up with in the FedExCup schedule, I'm not quite sure Augusta National goes along with that one.


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[Assistant] Squarely middle of the pack, which lead to, you know, one of those exchanges with our boss, uh, where he definitely wanted a tiger column. There was not going to be a conversation about-


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[Assistant] He did not want to BJC in column or anyone else column. So it honestly, I was kind of stuck because if team tiger is going to finish middle of the pack and clearly.


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[Assistant] Charlie was limited in what he was able to do. There was, you know, there was an injury, some sort of injury to his left ankle that really limited what he was able to do. I didn't really know where to go because the second part of this conversation is going to be, okay, what did we see from Tiger over 36 holes? My answer to that is absolutely nothing.


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[Assistant] But, yes, I mean yes, he hit it by JT a couple of times, and he seemed to have his paw back, and he hit some decent, decent iron shots. You cannot-


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[Assistant] This is like watching Jalen Hurts in a flight football game tomorrow and deciding if he's going to be able to play on Sunday for Philadelphia.


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[Assistant] To the point, this is the equivalent would be waiting two weeks and letting him play in a flag football game and then decide, okay, we're going to roll him out against whoever it is they're going to play in two weeks because it's 36 holes, you're playing a scramble and you're in a golf cart. Like there is nothing that resembles PGA Tour golf in this particular event.


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[Assistant] I mean, yea, sure. I mean, I would even say Steph Curry's shoot-around's probably a little bit more intense, simply because...


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[Assistant] I don't, yeaah, I don't know if we can find one, the way all the stars are falling out. No, and look, the way he was swinging, I did think it was interesting when we


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[Assistant] Talk to Justin Thomas who he was paired with on Sunday because of some sort of magical committee ruling. Go figure.


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[Assistant] It's a scramble. It's a resort, wide open golf course. Like there's nothing. Again, I don't even think flag football is a good enough analogy to playing Sundays in the NFL in this case. It's you rolling around in the backyard with Cam and then deciding, you know what? I'm going to suit it up for the Colts next week. I'm heading out for the Jaguars. I think me and probably you.


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[Assistant] Actually, I should have done the Jaguars because of Trevor Lawrence that seems to be awakening just when you moved. It seems to me you're gonna be a new fan, but I just don't think there's, and I was amazed, and again, this is Twitter.


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[Assistant] Wow. Everyone was so breathless watching him hit the ball and how he's out driving JT and look how majestic he looks. There's just no equivalent. Wasn't that your column? Wasn't that your column? That, how?


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[Assistant] No, that was actually the column earlier in the week where I kind of talked about just sort of the drive.


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[Assistant] Wherever it is, he goes from here and he's been pretty clear about, look, there's going to be the four majors, maybe one or two others. I think that's probably a little optimistic given what we've seen. The only thing you can do.


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[Assistant] No, I'm actually going the other way. I'm giving him a monsoon of credit just to be able to do what he did this year. I think we can all agree. Uh, I'll just stick with the masters. What he was able to accomplish there based on what we, the little bit we know. I mean, he has mentioned it.


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[Assistant] He doesn't like using surgeries. He says procedures.


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[Assistant] I totally agree with that. And look, I see the idea being here, and I am gonna cut to the chase. My column on Sunday ended up just kinda falling back on the idea.


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[Assistant] It was not. It was a Tiger column and I said that as uncertain as his future is, again, four majors, two events a year, I think we can both agree that that seems like a lot for you. You may want to dial back those expectations.


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[Assistant] I would say that the only certainty, at least from a competitive point of view, going forward, that we're going to see Tiger Woods put a peg in the ground and actually hit shots that matter on whatever level, even at a silly season event, it's gonna be the PNC.


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[Assistant] That's the only one. Like, I asked him afterwards, like, you know, what is it about this event? And you and I have covered Tiger long enough. I had to go back and look at the transcript to make sure I wasn't dreaming this. He gave me three full paragraphs.


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[Assistant] Of a good answer, of a passionate answer. He was quiet, he was looking down, he was, he was thinking about what this does mean to him. Out of everything that we would like to see him do, and look, I, you kind of, you point to the idea being that he'll go to the Champions Center.


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[Assistant] And he has set his sights on playing one more open at St. Andrews. Again, that's eight, nine years away. I'm not quite sure how, how that he's going to be able to pull that off.


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[Assistant] Push everything out the window, because even last month, I mean earlier this month, he didn't play the hero world challenge, which is a silly season event.


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[Assistant] On his golf course, on a flat golf course, if you really wanted to, I'm sure you could petition and get a golf cart and it benefits his foundation. And even that wasn't good enough to be like, I can play. No, I'm good. My foot hurts. The planner's acting up. I'm not going to do it, but what I'm not going to miss is this one and to watch him and Charlie limp around and get through those 36 holes and see what it meant to him.


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[Assistant] I don't even know if it was a hot take. It's going forward. I would say the only guaranteed place we're ever going to see Tiger play year in and year out, at least for the next decade, is the PNC.


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[Assistant] Talk to a member of his, uh, of his team on Sunday as he was walking down the road to Carlton. And this wasn't even a joke, but it came out as a joke because I thought it was funny. He goes, I go, how, how is everything like just trying to get a general idea and he goes,


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[Assistant] All that. And he goes, I have run out of tape. Like I don't even have tape anymore. Like I can't tape both of them up. I can't get both of them on the, on the table. Can't work on them fast enough. So you get an idea of what this means. I just think it was interesting. And look, I don't want to dismiss.


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[Assistant] What he's either done up to this point or what he's capable of doing in the future. I'm not doing that. I think that's it. That's a dangerous road to go down. And I've been in the Tiger Woods doubting business before. I'm not foolish enough to do that again. I just haven't seen anything in the body of work the last two and a half years. Hello Tito, who could possibly convince me that Padraig Harrington is right.


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[Assistant] It's a testament to the toxicity of anger, I think is the line from bullet train. I love that line because one of those two people that we're talking about in Montgomery is not the rosiest fellow as well. The other one, Harrington, always seems to have the pint half full, so I think that probably says all you need to know.


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[Assistant] Going forward, I mean yes, he's going to find a way to get his body ready for Augusta, and I would imagine...


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[Assistant] It's ready enough to do what he was able to do this year, which would be some sort of magical Thursday and Friday just to get him to the weekend. What I saw walking up those stairs though on Friday afternoon after he'd grinded his way to the weekend did not leave me with the idea that he is a year and a half removed.


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[Assistant] From that car crash and those multiple surgeries and even more procedures apparently in the mix.


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[Assistant] And it's still not that much better. I mean, granted, he has both legs and I don't want to get morbid like he seems to want to do, which is great, but I just don't know. You're right. He can't do the simplest of things, which is walk from point A to point B. And I haven't seen that get any better in two years.


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[Assistant] Now you can actually see the sausage finger show up in front of the camera. Uh, it seemed like you were about to move on. I wanted to make sure that I got this in. Of all the other things though, the way we're covering and the way the public is reacting to Charlie is gross. I'm gonna say it.


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[Assistant] I really wanted to get Todd Lewis on this week because he ran around last week and look, we're both kind of in the news business and so we get sort of caught.


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[Assistant] Kind of in the news business, uh, we get caught in those tunnels where you're just digging into the minutiae and things that are probably interesting to you are probably not interesting to anyone else.


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[Assistant] But he's digging around the first three days that he's there trying to figure out exactly what's wrong with Charlie and he talked to Tiger and Tiger told him it was gross spurs. Gross spurs.


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[Assistant] And then Noda said he twisted his ankle walking, uh, I think onto the range. I believe it was on Friday right before the pro-am. Uh, someone else who was on property said they heard Charlie talking and that he twisted it playing basketball. Whatever the case may be, I don't care.


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[Assistant] Like I have spent two plus decades covering his father and in all manner of injuries and limps and what's wrong here and trying to find out exactly as you pointed out earlier in the podcast, he's not the most open fella.


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[Assistant] When it comes to his health history. To his own, and certainly not with his sons. Certainly not with a 13 year old child. Again, it was gross. It's yuck. And look, I'm glad these two get to enjoy this experience. I'm glad all of-


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[Assistant] You know, I think Annika and her son being on the golf course last weekend was really, really cool to watch because my guess is her son doesn't see that side of her or doesn't remember that side of her because he was so young and she retired at a relatively young age.


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[Assistant] But I just, man, I cannot bring myself to covering Charlie Woods like I cover Tiger Woods. I can't and I won't. I don't think anyone's-


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[Assistant] No, I think it's too intrusive for a 13 year old. And look, the argument being is that Tiger Woods decided to bring his son, the 11 year old son. But he was 11! Yes, and so maybe this is on Tiger, and I guess there is something to that. I just, from a news perspective, and again, you're talking to a guy


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[Assistant] I mean, I've been to the bottom of the borough when it comes to trying to report on news about Tiger Woods. I mean, you name it, and I've been there. I've stood in front of a hospital in LA, and I've stood in front of the pearly gates at Ioworth, and I've stood in front of a police station in Jupiter. I have been in all of the cutters when it comes to trying to cover Tiger Woods throughout his career. However,


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[Assistant] I'm just not comfortable. And look, this was the first time Tiger actually let Charlie come up on the podium and they had a press conference and there were some precious moments.


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[Assistant] Oh, I think so. And I think it was a testament to not just Tiger is comfortable in this setting now, because I don't know the difference between the 11 year old Charlie and the 13 year old Charlie, but he's just more comfortable in that setting. And then the other half was, I think Tiger actually, and this kind of goes back to what I said about what this event means to him, I think Tiger wanted the rest of the world to actually hear


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[Assistant] How Charlie talks, like there was a moment on Sunday where someone asked Charlie about, you know, what was your best part of the week? And Charlie and his, and his best tiger I can imagine impersonation, he goes,


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[Assistant] I mean, I was pretty surprised. My dad played well. I just didn't expect it. You know, I just wasn't expecting him to play well. And Tiger never looked up. His eyes are closed. He has a smirk on his face. He's nodding his head like...


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[Assistant] I think that's a really, really cool part. Again, I'm just kind of grossed out when it comes to none of the other kids.


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[Assistant] Get that kind of scrutiny and none of the other kids are Charlie Woods. I certainly understand that. But man, it's just yuck. I did not like some of it.


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[Assistant] Uh, concern is my first, because by all accounts, and again we don't know a lot of what goes on behind the scenes at LivGolf, but by all accounts he was sort of the voice of reason. That in these meetings where we can only assume that Greg Norman is not being the voice of reason, that he was the one that would step up and at least try to keep things going.


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[Assistant] But there was a meeting two weeks ago in South Florida between a lot of the live executives and some of the players were there and some of the agents of players and there are some things


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[Assistant] I was told that didn't go well in this meeting that it seems to me that you don't have this


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[Assistant] So like, I have a bigger concern over what I heard from that meeting than I do here because look, I think it's probably going to be a lot of executives in and out at this point. It is a startup and I don't know.


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[Assistant] I've never been a part of a startup, but my guess is this is sort of the status quo that you have some, some executives come and you have some executives go. It goes to the idea that the one executive.


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[Assistant] That everyone needs to watch and sort of everything is sort of hanging in the balance is Greg and it doesn't seem like he's going anywhere. I think that's the bigger news.


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[Assistant] Uh, very cool building. No, I think you're absolutely right.


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[Assistant] It's, it's funny because, so you did the podcast that week from your green room. And they like, they set up a kind of a sucker green room with your name on the, on the door, the whole nine yards. I didn't even use my green room. I used Johnson Wagner's green room because like his was right next to mine and he was the player analyst.


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[Assistant] Uh, fantastic stats, but at some point, like you came in the second day, like, you have your own. And my response to him was, consider this rookie hazy. Like, I had to put up with you for a decade on the PGA Tour, so this is the least you can do. I'm just going to continue. It's like I just wanted to go in and mark my territory. I would go in and write one blog or look up one stat and then walk out. Like, this will show you. How about that?


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[Assistant] Uh, oh yea, I forgot about that. Nope, nope, we were all, uh, free and clear. I don't understand. You were in White Plains Airport for the better part of seven hours?


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[Assistant] This speaks to my problems, uh, but I got there about two hours before my flight thinking that, oh, plenty of time, drop the car off, it's right there next door. I'll just walk into that terminal and get a beer. You know, it's been a long couple days. Nice little IPA, right?


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[Assistant] There is no bar. None. No, none. In the gate area. I had to walk back out of TSA and if you noticed you could walk upstairs and there was a bar up there. But I was like, this is uh, this is surreal.


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[Assistant] I don't know what, uh, I'm gonna get from- here's the mistake. I do know what I'm getting from Santa. And I didn't realize I wanted it until, like, Santa explained to me that these are all the cool things you can do. So I think I'm getting a Blackstone Girl.


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[Assistant] Uh, very nice. Uh, well, Santa is my lovely wife, so that's what I got going on. What are you getting?


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[Assistant] Uh, not nearly that many people. We, uh, we stay home and we go over to the in-law's house and it's usually a pretty small affair. Uh, we have five in our family. Sister-in-law has five, so maybe fifteen.


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[Assistant] So much, much different Christmas day deal. Uh, I did get, uh, it's still pretty big. I did get ribs. I wanted to smoke some ribs the next couple of days. Christmas ribs! No, I didn't say Christmas. That's just something I'm working on the next couple of days. Christmas Eve or Christmas dinner.


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[Assistant] For Christmas... Ribs? Maybe Christmassy. I could do that for Christmassy.


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[Assistant] Uh, no, but we have a Florida State game. Florida State's playing a bowl game here in Orlando that I'm taking two of my sons to. So there'll be some tailgating before that as well.


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[Assistant] You're being optimistic. I don't know if it's going to be ready by the players. If it is, I'm happy for you, but I don't know.


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[Assistant] Well, and if they didn't do it, like when I first saw the score, I went to bed at halftime. When I saw the score, I was like, well, why did they keep the starters in until the very end? Like, well, why did he run up the score? Like, why would you do that to poor TCU? It's, it's been a good, feel good story. Like what, what, what are we rubbing their noses in this for? Why are they the bad dogs? And then I looked and you're right. Like all the starters got pulled out and the second string was still.


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[Assistant] He's Geno Smith, 10 years from now, and suddenly he's gonna land on some team, probably out in the west somewhere, San Francisco or LA, one of those teams, and all of a sudden it's gonna be like, wow, Stetson Bennett, that guy's pretty good. Turns out he is SB4.


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[Assistant] He should just skip all of it and just start the empire in Georgia. Just four dealerships all across Georgia.


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[Assistant] Start, start at St. Simons Island, work your way across to Augusta, like all the way across the state.


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[Assistant] I mean, through the first three rounds, he looked absolutely dominant. And this was, I think we talked about this last week that I spoke with someone from his team. Uh, I was in Los Angeles last week and I was talking with someone from his team and how confident he is in his ball striking, which I mean, I don't know why he's ever not confident with his ball striking. Seems like it's always going where he's looking.


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[Assistant] Man, I was wrong, like I'm gonna have to completely circle back around. I still feel like I'm wrong. To be clear, whatever it is that happened Sunday that he spit this up and we can dissect, this is always the fun.


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[Assistant] Well, and this is always the fun thing to do, right? So, so did more kawa choke it away, or did John Rahm win it? I don't know how I land on that. The answer is yes. The answer is yes.


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[Assistant] I mean, John Rahm had an incredible final round, and yes, there was a lot of things Morikawa could have done.


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[Assistant] That could have changed that outcome. Little things that could have changed that outcome. Just simple chip shots it seems like that he was suddenly became incapable.


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[Assistant] To your point, he gained five and a half strokes on the field of putting. So if he does that, he's, he's going to, you're right, he's either going to contend. And what happens? He finished second. Like it's, if he puts well, he's going to, he's going to come close to it.


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[Assistant] And by comparison around the greens, he lost stroke. So I think, I mean,


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[Assistant] Very, very rarely do you end up with a world class player that's as good as Kalamora Kawa, that he has the type of deficiencies where you and I can pencil this in every single week.


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[Assistant] Well, and I don't think he's ever going to be an elite putter. I mean, this goes back to what I've kind of always said about Kalamora Kawe. Just be average. Just be average and you can win a lot. His ball striking is so much.


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[Assistant] Let's just roll through this real quick. Who wins player of the year? I picked Tony Fee now. Tony got off to an okay start to the season. You picked Xander. How you feel about that?


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[Assistant] Like, it's kinda hard to beat that. He went birdie birdie birdie eagle.


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[Assistant] I'm not quite sure even if Morikawa was playing


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[Assistant] When John Rahm is playing like that, and he's dominating the field, put a new driver in play last week, like all of the things that we sit and watch, that was impressive.


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[Assistant] Uh, good debate, as you said that, that he's better than Rory. Statistically, certainly over the last, probably two years, you would say. And I'll even take it a step further. I think...


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[Assistant] When it comes to the big miss, I feel like Rory has more of the big misses than John does. I mean John will miss fairways.


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[Assistant] Hooks and slices, Roy can go get it going both ways in a situation. I don't know if I'm willing to give him...


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[Assistant] The Crown over a 10 year period. I kinda would want to see a bigger case study than the last two years.


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[Assistant] But I, I'm gonna go the other way. I think it was his putting, and John, I'm sorry to bring up your putting, I know you're sensitive about this, but you were first in the field. Not anymore! And putting at Kapalua, apparently you have figured it out. I love the idea that, I think he said this early in the week last week, that, you know, he's tired of hearing people, uh, complain about his putting. Who is complaining about his putting? John Roberts. Who is saying he's a bad putter?


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[Assistant] Is he one of, is he the tour's best? No, no, he's not Brad Faxon.


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[Assistant] He's probably never going to be Brad Faxon, but he can have his weeks. And look, Kapalua is not an easy putting course. If you look at it statistically, it's probably one of the harder courses on tour just because the greens are so big. You're giving yourself a lot of opportunities from 30 feet and that usually doesn't add up to very good putting stats.


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[Assistant] If he can do what he did off the tee and leap the field in putting, that's impressive. The fact that neither one of us even sniffed around him for player of the year is probably enough to make both of us


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[Assistant] That the new world ranking does not like limited fields, which is ironic because that seems to me where professional golf is going.


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[Assistant] A conversation for another day, but yes, he, he did not get nearly the points you would have imagined for not just a limited field event, but this was the first designated event.


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[Assistant] This had almost all of the top players. I think the only player that was missing was Rory, correct? If I'm not correct? Rory, Shane Lowry. Uh, we're also not there.


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[Assistant] Uh, so this is more of a byproduct of that. And to take it a step further, I think it's going to take another probably year for the world ranking cycle to work its way through. And maybe Rory probably shouldn't be the world number one right now, but you're right. John Rahm should be much better.


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[Assistant] Well, and I'll go even further. I mean, this is, this is probably going back to when you were in college that there was a time when the tour wasn't sure if this, this tournament could even go forward because there was a long stretch of


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[Assistant] Time when Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson, the two biggest players in the game at the time


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[Assistant] I'm always shocked when you have that many guys who make the trip all the way over to Hawaii and decide I'm going to hang around for another week in Honolulu. Now you factor into.


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[Assistant] That it does have the bigger purse. You pointed out how much he's calling for him. The fact is you're playing against the best players. I mean, I think that motivates guys where I think we dismiss this too much. I think the top players want to compete week in and week out against the top players. They don't want to show up and play against a weaker field. So I think all of those things make it just a bigger event. And that's what we saw last weekend.


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[Assistant] Uh, I will say this, after last week's podcast, I spoke with a mutual friend of ours at the tour, Amanda Harrington, hello Amanda, who is also a huge Georgia fan, and she could not have been more livid.


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[Assistant] That's right. She could not have been more livid though, the way you sort of waded into last week's podcast. And it seems like a very dangerous game that you were wearing the hat.


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[Assistant] Uh, that's, that's true. That's true. You could be a little bit more professional and put on something goffy, but eh, if you wanna. Next week. Next week. We'll get back to the golf next week.


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[Assistant] Well, and, and I know it was half in jest, but there, I feel like there was also a level of frustration that he, he sort of joked about the idea that I just should have stayed chubby. I should have just kept eating the bad things and not exercise and all of these...


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[Assistant] Uh, well, I would go pear-shaped. That's the way I feel right about now is pear-shaped. Uh, which is kind of funny because he has put a lot of work into his body. I guess the concern here is because he's young, I'm going to limit my level of concern. I'm not going to sit here and panic. That being said,


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[Assistant] This is nothing to mess around with. We've seen it time and time and time again, where young careers get derailed because of back injuries. You and I had, I think had this long conversation last week about Willie Zellatoros.


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[Assistant] Well, remember back, not that long ago, but let's go back a decade with Phil Mickelson. He was kind of an energy vampire like that, right? At every Ryder Cup, at every President's Cup, he wanted to play with the Anthony Kims or Keegan Bradley at the time. Yeah, so he wanted.


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[Assistant] No, I thought it was a great idea when Brooks did it. Cause to your point, why wouldn't you be a free agent? Cause whatever money you're leaving on the table by not signing an equipment deal with Brand X, you're able to use whatever you feel like is best. And that's ball, driver, everything is best. You're more than going to make up for that on the golf course. Now that being said, you do need to be able to offset that.


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[Assistant] With another sponsor, which Patrick has on the front of the hat. He's got a financial sponsor who wants the front of the hat and that probably factors in a little bit as well here. There's some, I was talking with some agents last week just about the Patrick Cantlay situation and it's kind of.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Cameron Young. Yeah, so these guys who they had probably projected to be top 20 players suddenly became top 10 players. Well, there's bonuses involved. And now all of a sudden, Tylus gets to...


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[Assistant] Something of an expendable resource because of everything that they have around them. There's also the idea here, and I thought this was fascinating that everyone's numbers in the world ranking as of right now are skewed because of all the players that essentially have been removed or are falling outside the world ranking because of lived golf. If you look at all those top players who aren't getting points now, now you have a situation where a player that's a top 20 player probably isn't a top 20 player. And the manufacturers know this.


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[Assistant] And as they go into negotiations, I'm not saying Patrick is that guy, but you're certainly going to end up with a situation where


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[Assistant] There's people inside the top 20 right now that probably want to get paid like a top 20 player and the manufacturers just aren't going to do it.


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[Assistant] Well, I'll go back to last night for the national championship game on Monday night. We did pork belly tacos, which is kind of become.


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[Assistant] Wow, that's uh, that Georgia celebration was quick. Okay, moving on.


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[Assistant] Uh, the Blackstone is gonna get broken out and the kitchen's gonna be ready. You keep mentioning that kitchen, but I don't think you have the proper paperwork.


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[Assistant] Like if the homeowners comes rolling through, are you gonna, are you good? Are you gonna have to start talking fast?


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[Assistant] I can't complain, man. It's been good, you know, uh, watching a little bit of the tournament too, like everybody else. And eh, I got Brenton, his alma mater's, you know, going, making a deep run, maybe in a Cinderella-type run. So, uh, we'll excuse him for today, I guess, Brady.


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[Assistant] New kickoff rule, right? I get what they're trying to do. They're trying to mitigate the big collisions and everything. I just think, Brady, that at times we forget this is a physical game.


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[Assistant] Where they had the wedge, right? When there was four guys in the wedge and guys were running down on kickoff, running into that. And that's when you got a lot of those concussions.


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[Assistant] But why not just move the ball back 5 or 10 yards from where the kickoff line is? Because again, there is no more blindside blocks. There is no more wedge blocks. Miss, people do get hurt. It is football. But at what point are they going to take the physicalness out of football?


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[Assistant] There is no element to that because of this new kickoff rule. So I know that was brought up the fourth and 20 attempt to potentially try to get the ball back if you're down in the game. And I believe it was shot down from not mistaken.


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[Assistant] It depends on how things play out throughout the rest of the season. I want to touch on something that Brady said too, when he talked about the strategy of certain coaches now with the new rules, uh, because there's,


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[Assistant] The returning team is only going to be essentially five yards away from the kickoff team, right? And then nobody can move until the actual returner catches the ball or the ball lands in the landing zone. This is my question.


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[Assistant] Isn't it kind of subjective then in regards to when the kickoff team can actually take off because


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[Assistant] Brady, you know this, as a D lineman and players, period. We try to get every advantage possible, so.


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[Assistant] How tightly are they gonna watch the kickoff team leaving the line of scrimmage in regards to where the ball is landing in the landing zone or whether the guy is catching the ball. And I saw, I looked up some XFL clips. Also, there are certain teams that actually had their return team that was blocking. Look back at the returnants to know when they can go. Other teams, they just heard the ball hit his chest or the return guy would give a call. There's just so many nuances. And then there's another element to this, right?


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[Assistant] A few years ago, teams started doing this sky kick where they would put the ball really high in the air, right, force teams to do the onside kick.


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[Assistant] I think, I'm like Brady, I think they should just try to move the ball back five, maybe even seven yards. And because they already kind of took out some of those head to head collisions.


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[Assistant] With the wedge being taken out and also the blindside block. Only time will tell how this rule.


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[Assistant] Will, will play out throughout this season. We saw the XFL do, they had some success with it. I just think the excitement of the play is gone compared to when guys are running down the field 40 or 50 yards.


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[Assistant] Thumbs down. I think it's going to be a one year trial run. I think eventually they'll get back to the other kickoff. The interesting thing is even watching some of the XFL returns again, I think the excitement element just wasn't there and there was a few times where guys actually broke, you know, free and either, either scored a touchdown or had a long return. So when you look at the rate in regards to guys actually scoring touchdowns or kickoff return,


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[Assistant] Have guys run down or kick up and Brady knows that's the first play of the game. Like that starts a game that usually gets everybody's juices flowing. I don't know how much excitement you'll get from guys being five yards apart.


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[Assistant] One team running back five yards to block another team, or maybe not even running back. They might run right at the team to try to block them, and the return are only being about 15 yards away. I just think the excitement of the play.


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[Assistant] It won't last in the NFL. I think this will be a one year trial, one year trial run for the NFL.


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[Assistant] Tyler and Brady, this is ridiculous. This is ridiculous. And again, I know people will say you're a defensive minded guy. We know the league is offensive based. They want more scoring and everything. And this is another rule that is slanted on the offensive side.


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[Assistant] But Brady, how are defenders supposed to do their job, right? Because say you're next to a guy or he's even in front of you. How do you tackle him and slow him down to prevent him getting extra yards?


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[Assistant] Without, as Tyler would say, they said, unweight yourself. Like you, I didn't know that was a word until yesterday. That they started using that word, unweight yourself. That's a new term for me. So it's...


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[Assistant] Hip drop is a new term for me as well. Cause to me that was always just a regular tackle. Like people talk about the Mark Andrews injury and if you look at it,


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[Assistant] Logan Wilson was in the pile with everybody else. He was, you know, getting out of the stack of the pile, trying to run Mark Andrews down. And he literally was behind him.


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[Assistant] We tend to forget this is a physical game. This is why people love this game so much, because it differs from so many other sports that people watch. The physical nature, the warrior nature, and that is getting taken out of this game. It's already so hard to play defense. We talked about this before, Brady, like,


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[Assistant] After five yards, DBs can't touch receivers, right? Now DBs can't even cut offensive tackles out in the open space, right? But yet, on the offensive line, on the back side, offensive tackles can still cut defensive linemen, right? Again, something slanted towards the offense. And then the rule,


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[Assistant] That everybody up in arms was the rough and the passer rule, right? And I think it's because it's objective, right? There's no clear cut black and white.


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[Assistant] Again, this is ridiculous. He brought up something that was really good earlier in the show saying how the scoring was down. And I think this is part of another reason to get more points up because you know, once you get this personal foul, you get a 15 yard penalty.


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[Assistant] And you get a first down, which means they get another bite of the apple on offense, which gives the offense another possession on the field. So.


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[Assistant] As a defender, I don't even know how guys are supposed to do their jobs because now they're thinking Brady instead of just playing and reacting off instinct, they're thinking.


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[Assistant] How do I tackle this guy? Because if I tackle him the wrong way, not only am I hurting my team, I'm losing money in my pocket to provide for my family.


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[Assistant] Now, guys, instead of, like you said, Brady, guys are gonna be shooting at ankles and knees and trying to roll, instead of trying to bring guys down with the quote-unquote hit drop tackle. So, we saw it, Brady. I also saw that you reposted, uh, Jonu Smith.


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[Assistant] He said, you know, we're fine, you know, with the rule. He's like, we will need to change the rules, change the turf on the field instead, instead of the hip drop tackle club. I think players understand more so receivers and tight ends.


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[Assistant] That now guys are gonna adjust, right? Now they're gonna be diving at ankles and knees and rolling.


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[Assistant] Because guys are thinking how they should tackle guys instead of just acting off of instinct and doing what comes naturally. So I would not be surprised. Again, I don't want to put this in the air, but you know, injuries could potentially even go up now because now guys,


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[Assistant] Yeah, sorry, sorry about that. Uh, I was gonna say so much for, for the NFL talking about not extending the game, right Brady? Uh, because, you know, with this extra...


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[Assistant] Challenge, which again, I, I agree with, because if you get one out of two right, I feel like you should be allotted an extra one, uh, just because of the hit rate.


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[Assistant] It's so subjective on whether a ref will overturn a call or not, right? And that's the issue with challenges. When some of those calls are subjective, like it just depends on what the ref thinks it is or even the people that they're talking to in the replay booth.


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[Assistant] It's not to the letter of the law or black and white. So I think they should get an extra one. But I remember the NFL talking about not wanting to slow the game down, but yet here we are. I think it's always more important to get it right than worry about the actual length of the game.


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[Assistant] That person that the rep is talking to calls, right? So like if you get one out of two, right? I think you deserve an extra challenge just because.


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[Assistant] Half of America will look at the play and be like, well, it definitely was, you know, when they were challenging past interference, they'll say it was past interference. The other half will say it wasn't past interference. So like, my thing is if you get one out of the two right, like it's hard to get two out of two right.


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[Assistant] Especially when it's not in your hands. It's up to somebody else to make that decision. So I love that Dan Campbell decided to bring this to the forefront in the Detroit Lions because I think you do deserve an extra challenge if you get why didn't you write


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[Assistant] Because again, the hit rate in regards, like there will be times, I'm sure Brady, you can speak to this too, where you see a call on the, on the, on the field.


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[Assistant] My thing is that if a coach does get it right and they do overturn it, then yes, they deserve another challenge.


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[Assistant] That the Baltimore Ravens last year were in talks to potentially trade for a guy like Derek Henry, right? Right around the trade deadline. So just imagine if they potentially had an extra week to maybe nail out the trade compensation and what it would cost to get Derek Henry in. And then when you look at it,


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[Assistant] Going to a 17 week schedule now, nine weeks puts you like right at the halfway point, essentially depending on when teams have, you know, bias or not. So like, you can see potentially maybe teams get a little bit more aggressive. Now I don't think we'll see any NBA like trade deadline type trade, right? Cause they, the NBA has always been aggressive.


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[Assistant] Maybe there's a player that you could look at to trade for so you can continue your run and that way there's not that much fall off.


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[Assistant] You could see a few bigger names, to Brady's point, uh, teams that are not gonna use a player, like, perfect example, I brought up the Derrick Henry one, like, they weren't going to the playoffs last year, there were talks about him being potentially traded. I think if the Ravens had one more week, they most likely would have made that trade, and who knows how that would have impacted


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[Assistant] Quote-unquote trade move for players. We saw Bob Miller was another big name, right? That that was traded at the trade that line and made a


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[Assistant] A monumental, uh, uh, uh, uh, monumental was a monumental move for the Rams and also gave them a, a lift up as they, you know, made they run to the Super Bowl. So I just think what an extra week.


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[Assistant] And teams look at their roster and see how the schedule is going. If they're out of it, I think they could start out loading players. I think teams that feel like they can actually make a run at a Super Bowl will be more aggressive now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, to me this is, what do they call it? Brady and powder being tongue in cheek. That's what they're Quinn is doing right now. Like there's absolutely no way they're not taking a quarterback at number two overall to Brady's point.


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[Assistant] We know who the offensive coordinator is, right? He was USC's. He worked with Caleb Williams last year. So if anything, they would maybe try to figure out how to move up to number one to get Caleb. I don't think Chicago is moving away from that pick no matter what. But yeah, Dan Quinn, come on. What are you doing here? Dude, you're taking a quarterback number two overall.


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[Assistant] You know, these players finish, you know, their regular season and championship run. He's been saying J.J. McCarthy, as he should, right? It's his ex-coach, or when I want to say ex-coach, his former coach.


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[Assistant] And he's landed on the line for his player, and that's what he should do, right? And also, I think he's fleecing people to try to come up at number five and look at them being in cat purgatory. I think that's one team that could potentially move back now, just knowing Jim Harbaugh and the way he thinks on the football field.


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[Assistant] Uh, it's gonna be hard for him to move off that number five spot cause you know, Brady's got a guy that went to a school that's a really good tackle there and we can see him potentially take him and move him.


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[Assistant] So right tackle and now they got book in tackles probably for the next, what, eight to 10 years, Brady. So it'll be hard for him to pass that up. But when you also look at their, their team, they need some cheap labor, Brady, right there in cat purgatory.


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[Assistant] They want to get some guys for cheaper and the only way to do that is to move back in the draft because what the number 5 pick is getting paid compared to what the number 11 pick gets paid is a lot different.


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[Assistant] I can see them potentially moving out of that spot, but to me, Tyler, this is just a coach looking out for his young player, trying to maximize his value in the draft and have him go as high as possible. And also what this does Brady,


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[Assistant] It makes Jim Hall Ball look good if he has a quarterback that goes in the top three or four picks, right? You have that on your resume. You could add that to not only being a national champion, uh, coach, but also a coach that's been able to turn programs around really quick. So now you add, uh, you know, I coached a top five quarterback. Looks really good on your resume.


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[Assistant] That Justin Herbert has had. So just imagine Jim Harbaugh being able


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[Assistant] I mean, I would say develop him because he's still a pretty young player. Develop him into being a winning quarterback. That's been the knock on Justin Herbert, right? He hasn't been able to get over the top. They were up by multiple touchdowns in that playoff game for Jacksonville and they all came crumbling down in the second half. Last year he got banged up when a lot of people thought that team would maybe even push to Kansas City Chiefs.


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[Assistant] So that's been a knock on them, and nobody, and we talked about this earlier Brady, nobody can turn around a program quicker than Jim Harbaugh, right? So people were wondering how Justin Herbert would feel in that offense.


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[Assistant] Because he's probably not gonna ask him to throw 40 times a game, right? They're gonna run the football, but I think that also will protect Justin Herbert.


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[Assistant] It's not like he has to go out there and put up 35 points a game because Jim Harbaugh is going to lean on that defense. He's going to lean on the run game. That's where he's done it. Every program he's been at, whether it's University of San Diego, whether it's San Francisco, whether it's Michigan, they are going to run the football and play physical good defense. And that's what they're going to do.


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[Assistant] So now, with Justin Herbert, you feel like there's not as much pressure on you, right?


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[Assistant] You're not going to have to do everything by yourself because you have a coach that's going to put a plan in place that when we need that big arm that's been blessed by the gods, we're going to bring it out and we're going to use it. But I'm not going to go out there and ask you to throw 45 times a game.


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[Assistant] Firepower when you look at teams like Minnesota or the Raiders that could potentially move in front of them to, to make a aggressive move to try to get maybe a J.J. McCarthy or if a Drake may pass is, you know, pick four or five. I just, I just don't, I think this is a rebuild year. I mean, they're on the hook for so much money because of Russell Wilson.


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[Assistant] Rebuild next year, right? Once you get, you know, Russell's monies off the books and you know, because of the extra 30 million dollars, they felt a lot more comfortable taking that hit from Russell Wilson because they were afforded more money to put into that dead cat pit. So I just think Sean Payton is talking, being tongue in cheek again now again.


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[Assistant] Welcome into this edition of the Golf Channel Podcast with Rex and Lav. Tiger Woods is very much back. John Rahm continuing his dominance. Rex is at the Honda Classic, which fortunately did not get designated status and thus


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[Assistant] It's future PJ Tour schedule is certainly tenuous. We'll get into the start of the Florida swing. All that and more recs. It appears like you are in the media center at the Honda Classic. This is not a tournament.


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[Assistant] That I have covered since 2012. I guess I went out with a bang. Like that was the epic year, uh, in which Roy McRoy won the tournament, became world number one for the first time. Tiger shot a final round, 62, to kind of announce his arrival after a couple of pedestrian seasons following


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[Assistant] Uh, a couple years of the scandal. Uhm, what's it like to be back at PGA national? You look well, you look tanned.


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[Assistant] It was 11 years ago. Time wise. I remember that distinctly.


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[Assistant] Here we are now. It seems markedly different. Not a single top 10 player in the world is teeing it up this week at the Honda. Not altogether surprising, I must say, after back-to-back designated events of the PGA Tour in Phoenix. And then Riviera will certainly be getting into the happenings of the Genesis invitation here. And now you have two upcoming


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[Assistant] With so many players centrally located in Palm Beach County, uh, weather is typically not an issue at this tournament. Does it feel like just a matter of time until this becomes a designated event? Or does it just straight up need to have a different time in the schedule and not be part of this rush into the Masters?


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[Assistant] Yeah, one spot I'd heard last week at Riviera was going to be the third week of the year after the Hawaii swing. I don't know, I kind of like the cadence of the year how we have it now with Hawaii, then the West Coast swing, then the Florida swing ramping up and through the Masters. Would you be in favor, Rex, of kind of


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[Assistant] Flying all over the country the first three months of the year or do you kind of like the geographical symmetry, uh, that we have with these quote unquote swings on the PGA tour?


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[Assistant] And as I've stated multiple times on this podcast, I still would love to see a more worldwide schedule, whether that means incorporating like the Abu Dhabis and Dubai tournaments of the world, Scottish, BMW, PGA,


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[Assistant] What have you, I'd love to see that as part of the schedule. And obviously those being, uh, premier marquee events, Rolex series events, the DP world tour. If the strategic Alliance is to believe, uh, I'd love to see that get, um, some sort of implementation in the new look schedule for 2024 as.


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[Assistant] Uh, Rex, you were in Connecticut last week. However, you were still, uh, contractually obligated to pay attention to the golf. Genesis Invitational.