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[Assistant] Now Drew Brees, I have a lot of respect for in a lot of ways, but...


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[Assistant] I found these comments, of course, to be totally tone deaf and disrespectful. Disrespectful. I was hurt when I first heard it. I mean, if you saw what I was doing on the front lawn of my house when I first saw these comments and what I was saying to my wife, yeaah, I got revved up. I just could not believe it.


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[Assistant] And as you know, and I, you know, we both have friends that are African American and I've been around a lot. Hey, social injustice is real. It's a real issue in our country.


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[Assistant] And yes, I thought Drew Brees was tone deaf to bring it kind of back to himself in a self-righteous way in a moment where, man, the whole country is going through some stuff right now. And to bring it back to himself in a way where he uses the talking points that


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[Assistant] Hey, yeah, I was, I was bothered by that. I was. It's not about disrespect for the flag. It's not about disrespect for the military. In fact, if we didn't spend so much time on that subject, maybe we wouldn't be where we are today. And we would just have acknowledged Colin Kaepernick was kneeling because there is a bigger issue out there.


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[Assistant] Uh, so I think that and then, you know, the fact that, hey, listen.


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[Assistant] Drew Brees spent more time on talking about guys kneeling for the anthem and never really addressed that a guy kneeled on a guy's neck for nine minutes. So that's where it was insensitive. I got revved up. I can't even imagine what a black person or African American is going through in this time and certainly can't imagine how they felt after those comments.


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[Assistant] No, not, just, just not, not the right effect, not the right choice of words.


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[Assistant] You know, listen, I think he was kinda trying to straddle the line and have both, you know, have it both ways. He was trying to...


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[Assistant] Appeal to that, you know, white America who's trying to still act like racism's not a real thing in this country, but yet he was trying to somehow show some sensitivity towards black America. But obviously, you know, this is not a subject you can straddle the line on. It's not.


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[Assistant] You know, and I know even I, growing up as a kid, dad had an NFL quarterback and I was around black people growing up and of course played sports and everything like that. Hey, I thought I had a good feel.


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[Assistant] Until you start to get a little older and I go home with guys in college and go to their hometowns or, you know, in my early days in the NFL and you're out with black players and you start to see how cops


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[Assistant] And sometimes how even the general public can treat African Americans in our country, you'll start to realize, whoa, this is an issue. Like there are some people with some really


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[Assistant] And that's why the conversation's important. And that's why Malcolm Jenkins and everybody couldn't let this slide under the table because these are the guys that are at the forefront fighting this fight and they couldn't let their, you know,


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[Assistant] White quarterback who's awesome and throws touchdowns and wins games get away with it just because he's that guy. So, uh, again, eh, I, I want to reaffirm that point. I don't want to sit here and tell you that Drew Brees is a bad person. I just think he's off base on this subject.


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[Assistant] And I think he's been a little insensitive and some learning and some growing to do.


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[Assistant] Uh, and I think he will do that because I think he's a smart enough guy to realize that he was at fault as we see him with the comment. The big thing I need from Drew Brees right now, because this is gonna be an issue for the Saints, is I do think Drew Brees needs to get on TV and start talking. You gotta start having a face with these words. You can't just release a statement.


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[Assistant] If you want to mend the locker room, the locker room needs to genuinely see it in your eyes, that you are, you know, saddened by your comments, that you were mistaken with your information. And, you know, I think that's the big thing, that really is. And you know, I know, listen,


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[Assistant] I'm all about respecting the military, respecting the flag. I get it.


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[Assistant] Uh, I'd like to think he was fighting for our freedom as a country.


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[Assistant] And I'd like to think if he was still alive, he'd be a little disappointed where we are as a country right now. Realizing that not everybody is really free. So...


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, again, I think that's where he was a little bit off base in that message too, let alone Malcolm Jenkins letting him know that


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[Assistant] He had some grandfathers that fought in World War II, along with a lot of other African Americans in our country, and, you know, they basically came back to America after that war, and then just got shit on again, and were treated like, hey, you're lesser than us, you're Black America, you're not really in our class.


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[Assistant] And that is wrong and it bothers me as you can tell right now and I'm exhausted of talking the subject and hopefully we can talk about some football now.


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[Assistant] And one last thing, just one last thing I just want to say about it too, just because I just want to, and I, you know, again, I know we got another two minutes before big Phil calls, but you know,


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[Assistant] I really, there's three instances in my life that hit home with me hard to really realize it. I think I might have told you this before, but I'm going to tell it again. I don't care because I think it's right.


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[Assistant] The police officer told me to get out of the car, he brought me behind the car, and he asked me if I was being held against my will.


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[Assistant] And I was like, I don't even understand the question. I'm an 18 year old kid that's like, what? I don't, I don't get it. And he's like, wait, have these black men.


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[Assistant] Are they forcing you to do something you don't want to do? And I was like, no, these are my friends. These are my teammates. So that was number one. Okay. That was, that was the first one.


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[Assistant] He was driving around the shopping mall in a nice car and a cop pulled him over for no reason.


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[Assistant] Then didn't believe him, of course, that he was borrowing my car. He made my friend call me to say,


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[Assistant] To, to verify that I had lent him the car to go shopping, okay? And then my last thing that I will say again is, I'm going into a club in Tampa, Florida once, sitting in line, and we're there.


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[Assistant] Now all of a sudden it comes time for my black friend to come up and we're going to get in the club.


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[Assistant] Sneakers aren't allowed in this club. Sneakers aren't allowed. Now the shitty vans that are also sneakers, they were allowed on the white guys. So that really hit home to me. And that's what took my awareness of this subject to a new level. That's all I'm saying. I'm sorry I interrupted you and let's get to football.


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[Assistant] Uh, and hey listen, this is why I'm in the business. You know, I'm hoping we can continue to provide a culture of


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[Assistant] Good football conversation and I want psychos like HAH to be psycho along with me about the sport and dive into the nuances, get into the weeds with me. You know, let's get knee deep in this crap and really dissect. So HAH, you my man. Thanks. I appreciate the support. And, uh, you know, like I always say with this, I know I'm not perfect. I work hard on it. I'm, I'm passionate about it. And I think that.


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[Assistant] My his- the history of my rankings is- it's pretty good. They speak for themselves, let alone-


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[Assistant] Catching passes from my father. I caught passes from Brett Favre and Dan Marino and Vinny Chestaverde and Tom Brady and all those people. So, I've had a pretty good first hand look at a lot of damn good quarterbacks and, uh, that's gotta count for something. I'm not a total idiot is what I'm saying.


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[Assistant] No, well that's not fair. That's not. Now listen, I'm not gonna sit here and try to lie and tell you that I think Andy Dalton is the clutchest quarterback I've ever seen. I think that there was a weakness to him. I do think it's that a little bit. Yes. That he didn't always deliver in clutch moments. But, you know, I think you gotta give Andy Dalton credit for one,


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[Assistant] Five straight playoff appearances. Okay? In the ASC North.


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[Assistant] In the time when Baltimore and Pittsburgh were like, kind of the real deal, you can say what you want.


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[Assistant] The guy did a lot of good. You know, does it blow my, does it blow me away? And am I like, oh my gosh, he's amazing? No, but he's certainly a good quarterback. He's worthy of being a starter in the NFL. There's no doubt about that. And you can win games with Andy Dalton as we've seen.


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[Assistant] So the problems in Cincinnati are much deeper than Andy Dalton, that's for sure.


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[Assistant] You get, like I've told you, you know, this 25 through 40, it's close, this group of guys, group of guys. Yes, I don't have Gardner Minshew on Kyla Murray's level of where he's going to be ranked. I'm going to tell you that right now.


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[Assistant] Kyler Murray ain't coming up on this show. I'm telling you, he ain't coming up on the next one either. So, alright, I like Gordner Minshew. I do.


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[Assistant] Kyler Murray, I don't care, see this is where context matters when you compare stats.


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[Assistant] Arizona from day one was like, here you go Kyler Murray, take over the team, please carry us, this is your show, do it. From day one.


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[Assistant] A lot more pressure on a quarterback to play that style of football compared to, Hey, Gardner Minshew, we like what you're doing. We're going to protect you and we're going to run the ball a lot and you know, play defense and can try to control the clock and we're going to manage the game a little bit. And then we can just hope you make some plays here and there just to help us out. And that's really to me.


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[Assistant] Ultimately, what the difference is between the two guys, let alone I think Kyler Murray's far more talented, but what he was asked to do...


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[Assistant] It's a lot harder than what Gardner-Minshew was asked to do. Let alone again, listen, you gotta break down Gardner-Minshew. The context matters in this type of stuff. He kinda feasted on the poor.


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[Assistant] Uh, so, you know, that's different than Kyle and Murray, where I look at it like, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, mustache he's got and he's dressed up like a cowboy. Yeah, Aaron Rodgers facial hair. It's so horrible. It's good to me. And you know, I love Aaron Rodgers. I'm like leader of the fan club.


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[Assistant] I like it though, and that trench coat is creepy, I agree with Pete.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you do, you do. And you know, dad, I brought that up in my quarterback rankings, you know, when, when I got to two players that were really close.


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[Assistant] You know, those emotions and charisma and ability to lead men, like you always told me, are certainly important at the quarterback position.


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[Assistant] That's fair, Dad. You're right. You're right. I guess I was just trying to say more that...


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[Assistant] So it would be cool to feel that brief beard that Fitzpatrick has, alright? And, you know, with my dad and our Kentucky roots, I don't know, you put that mustache that Gardner Minchew has on, I mean, you wanna see white trash, I'll show you what it looks like in a hurry, you give me that mustache.


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[Assistant] I am very confident in saying he's going to be good. I don't know if he's going to be great or awesome. I'm not sure of that, but I think everything I studied coming out in the draft makes me believe that he's going to be great. It does. Now he's got to go out and prove that on the field. I understand that.


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[Assistant] But at the same time, I saw enough in college to know the guy is going to come in and be able to run an NFL offense, make every throw you need to make. And more importantly,


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[Assistant] Uhm, when you play in a bad team, usually you're under pressure as a quarterback. And to me, that was where...


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[Assistant] It's, it's amazing for the team that won the national championship and went 15-0, and he's the number one pick, how bad his pass protection was on a week-to-week basis.


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[Assistant] Yeah, sure. Well, alright dude, there's two things I want to hit on there. First off.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, dad said the floor for Joe Burrow or like the, is he's going to be a real good NFL quarterback. The ceiling.


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[Assistant] His ability to throw, you know, from awkward feet positions, awkward arm angles.


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[Assistant] You know, he's a thrower and a passer as dad and I would talk about. You know, he could drive the ball, but it's just not going to be a hundred mile per hour fastball. It's 95 or 96 miles per hour. So he can make every throw there is there to be had. Yes. But if there was a weakness to his game, it is his deep ball throwing. I think that was the thing I was the most underwhelmed by, but.


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[Assistant] Decision making, uh, ability to process information on the fly and why he's doing that, making the decision to make the accurate throw with chaos happening around him is as good as I've seen. And the last thing I want to hit on when you talk about the support around him, you know,


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[Assistant] That's where the Bears went wrong. That's where a lot of teams go wrong when they draft these quarterbacks high.


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[Assistant] You know, if you want your first pick of the draft investment to work, well you better give them a support system to make it work.


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[Assistant] And at least Cincinnati seems like they're building an offensive line and trying to put some receivers around them to go, hey, we think this guy has something to him. And if we just give him a little talent, he's going to get this whole organization going in the right direction. And he's got an edge and charisma and everything about him to me just exudes like franchise type quarterback.


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[Assistant] Like the floor is a little bit like what dad, as I look what dad said. You know, I don't think it's ever gonna be.


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[Assistant] I really think that's about the floor is what I'm saying. Andy Daltonville, maybe a little bit better. I don't think it's going to be much worse than that. Again, I just don't see many, I don't see any weaknesses to his football game. And then I don't see any weakness with


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[Assistant] His character, competitive nature, toughness, charisma, ability to lead, ability not to care about what maybe some people think about you and just do what you think is right. I mean to me all those things just scream success to me.


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[Assistant] 25, Drew Locke, Denver Broncos. Wow. You know, hey, we're going to talk about some of these other guys that are just right in front of Drew Locke here in a second, but I'm not going to lie, Drew Locke really excites me as a football player. I mean, that's the first thing.


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[Assistant] I mean, you know I was a huge fan of him coming out in the draft. I thought he was the second best quarterback in the draft that year behind Kyler Murray. I really did. You know, he's got...


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[Assistant] He's just a really natural, pure thrower of the football. And the ball explodes out of his hands with great ease. And I don't care where he's at, whether he steps into it and lets it go, he can throw that hundred mile per hour fast ball.


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[Assistant] But the other thing that's important that I find fascinating about the guy too is he can throw the 96 mile per hour fastball off his back foot, falling down backwards and doing stuff like that too. You know, he reminds me of a Matthew Stafford as far as his skill set is concerned.


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[Assistant] You know, that's really who he is. And again, I think the world of Matthew Stafford and his skill set, it's special. It's one of the greatest arms in the history of the sport.


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[Assistant] Drew Lock's arm is special. He is the kind of guy that I think we could be sitting here, you know, a year or two from now. And if everything goes right, where I can go, oh, this is top 10 quarterback in football. This is one of the five best arms in football. You know, that's where he is special, let alone, hey, here's another guy look and go tough as hell in the pocket.


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[Assistant] But a really good athlete. And again, not like it's, he doesn't run as good as Kyler Murray or even as good as a Joe Burrow, but.


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[Assistant] You know, his ability to throw on the run or go scramble and get 8 or 10 yards on a given play, it is real.


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[Assistant] But it's the aggressive nature and the ability to make really difficult throws at


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[Assistant] An effortless level, I think, is what I like about Drew Lock a whole lot.


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[Assistant] You like Daniel Jones. I was wrong about Daniel Jones. You were wrong about Drew Lock. It's good. We're all good. We're all at the trust tree together, so don't worry.


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[Assistant] This is how, one, yes, I think he's special. I think my father echoes those sentiments. But this is where another way I look at it, too,


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[Assistant] And go, ooh, I think Denver thinks he's special too. And yes, I know they've changed offensive coordinators, but


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[Assistant] When he got put in the line up, they weren't like, oh, let's protect them and throw a bunch of screens and throw the ball four yards. So the game's over. We can go, look, our rookie quarterback did pretty good. We drafted him in the second round. They kind of just unveiled it. In fact, the offense opened up when he got in there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the game was in a blizzard, so it wasn't a quarterback friendly game to where you were like, oh, either him or Mahal, neither one was going to light up the world at that game. Uh, but.


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[Assistant] Listen, well first off, the first thing I want to say is if you were just looking at that graphic right there, you know, can we put that picture back up if by any chance, uh, you got that?


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[Assistant] That to me is one of the issues right here with Jared Goff. And I'm going to talk about this more. But this, Dad, I wish you could see it. You know, he's got the ball up in a throwing position. The arm angle's broke. The ball's pointed in a weird position. The point, the back of the ball is pointed


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[Assistant] But very, very rare, you know, very rare to see a quarterback ever in that position, okay? And listen, uh, with Jared Goff...


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think he can do things that are just more special, but I'm going to give Jared Goff some respect.


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[Assistant] Now, with Jared Goff, hey listen, we've seen, you can win football games. The kid's not an idiot. There's, that's for sure. He's running Sean McVeigh's offense and taking all the understanding and doing it at the line of scrimmage and all that stuff. He can make all the throws on the field. There is good arm strength there.


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna say it's great, I'm gonna say it's, and I like to hear what dad says about this after, I'm gonna say it's a little above average NFL starting quarterback arm strength, but not much above that. But then, you know,


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[Assistant] Again, when I get into this, of course, you know I'm big into, hey, the quarterback's gotta take advantage of all that's there to be had. And then when nothing's there to be had,


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[Assistant] And that to me is one of my biggest issues with Jared Goff. I've said it a lot through the years. You know, hey, it all looks good when Sean McVeigh is delivering silver platter completions and guys are wide open for 15 and 20 yards. And hey, I'm throwing a screen and Todd Gurley's not getting touched for 40 yards. Look at me. I just had a 40 yard completion. That's great.


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[Assistant] But that's the offense. And every quarterback in football can do some of that right there. That's not special. So I'm not coming away going...


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[Assistant] Does he make plays from time to time? Yes, he does. Not enough for me to put him in the top 20 or really high. It's a slow delivery. It's...


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[Assistant] And that's why I love you, man. You can back me up with some numbers, because I'm just going off of my eyes, my feel, and my gut there. But that's the reality to me as I evaluate it. So there's that. And then, yeaah. It's really, and he's below average in the pocket. That's the last thing I would say. That's why he is where he is.


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[Assistant] He does not have great feel in the pocket. He's not great at moving and finding a spot that's safe to throw the ball. He's not great at throwing the ball, you know, off of different platforms or off balance and doing those type of things. So again, uh, Jared Goff, a good quarterback. You can certainly win with him. I know that.


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[Assistant] And, but this is more than that. I mean, come on. Again, stop that like, oh, he went to the Super Bowl, that's great. You know.


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[Assistant] I'm just going to say, well said by dad. And you know, I know I've talked about this and we've talked about this before, but it's still worth saying again, you know, dad's right. You know, throwers, you can fix.


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[Assistant] Tim Tebow or Blake Bortles. I'm sorry to go to Blake Bortles again here, but you know, those are the things I heard about them. I know it never fails, but those are the things you hear about them. And I would just sit here and tell most people go, yeah, you can't fix them.


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[Assistant] Because they're not really natural, what we would call naturally gifted throwers. Can you just pick up any object and let it go? Wiffle ball, rock, baseball, Nerf football, real football, basketball, whatever it was.


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[Assistant] Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers can throw whatever that damn object is you put in their hand, and you're gonna go, whoa.


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[Assistant] Okay, unnatural throwers, I don't give a crap if Phil Sims teaches them or, you know, uh, anybody else out there, there's gonna be a limited ceiling as far as how much they can adjust, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. You agree with that, Pat? Am I right there?


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[Assistant] And the only people we could talk about maybe being better than them right now are, you know, maybe a Deshaun Watson and of course Patrick Mahomes. Okay, that's fine. They've earned that, but you're right. I don't get it. You know, I don't get.


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[Assistant] And I don't think anybody in football, just so we can clarify this, I mean nobody.


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[Assistant] Nobody. I just want to clarify that. And I know I've been very passionate about the Jared Goff thing and this whole thing here too. And it's not personal to Jared Goff. I like Jared Goff. I mean, I think he knows some of the things I've said about him. I don't think he likes me very much. Okay? But, uh, I do respect him and I do think he's tough.


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[Assistant] And I do think he loves football. I'm passionate about this one because...


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[Assistant] I know the Twitter-verse and everybody else is gonna try to shit on me. And that's why I probably came out with a little more passion here, Ahmed. That might have gotten mistaken for Jared Goff. Hey, and I don't hate anybody.


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[Assistant] Like, to what dad was talking about the contracts right now, you know, a second ago. I mean, we got...


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[Assistant] Eight starting quarterbacks going into the 2020 season who have been drafted in the last two drafts. So that just tells you what's coming in the league right now. The talent that's already in the league. Some of the old timers that are still playing at a high level. Brady Breeze, Big Ben, Philip Rivers. So.


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[Assistant] There ain't a quarterback problem in the NFL right now. You can win a Super Bowl with Jared Goff. That's obvious. I'm not even trying to deny that. You can do it.


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[Assistant] I'm just saying he's not as good as the 23 guys I got in front of him.


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[Assistant] I know, I'm stuck here, hold on a second, who am I missing? Uh.


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[Assistant] Craig, no, not Craig Morton. I know, I was about to say Craig Morton too. Craig Morton.


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[Assistant] Sam Darnold, New York Jets, right? Sam Darnold, hey, you know, do I still have a few questions about Sam Darnold? Certainly. I mean, we haven't seen him play a full 16 game season yet, but I saw improvements from year one to year two with Sam Darnold in some areas that I would have, that I wanted to see improvement.


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[Assistant] I thought he was a below average down the field thrower. And when I say down the field, I mean like, you know, anything above 18 yards, 20 yards, anything like that. I didn't love that. He was better last year. I don't know what the stats and numbers say, but that's what my eyes told me. And then,


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[Assistant] The other things about Sam Donald that are positive, okay? He's got a very quick release. You talk about getting the ball to your hand in a hurry in a short passing game, screens. I mean, he can get it out of his hand about as good as anybody in the NFL, not named maybe Aaron Rodgers as far as quickness of throwing it. Then, I get into


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[Assistant] A master Jedi like in the pocket. He really is. He's got phenomenal feet. He's got great feel. He's one of those guys that can move around the pocket and


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[Assistant] It is freaking bullseye, like 95% of the time. And I think that's what I really like about Sam Darnold. So there's a lot of potential there. It's a big year for him and the Jets for sure.


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[Assistant] I know we don't know maybe completely what he is yet, uh, because he hasn't played that 16 game season, but I think it's going in the right direction. I'm a big fan of Sam Darnold.


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[Assistant] Hey, Robbie Anderson was the only go-to guy I had. They had no running game. Levion Bell struggled. Offensive line wasn't great. You know, I like the Adam Gase offense. I don't love it. I think that's another area of growth in that.


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[Assistant] But, you know, again, it's not necessarily, I don't look at the year before and go, oh, I had them here this year. And now, now this next year, I got to move them up just a little bit. No, I don't because some other guys just might've moved up and played really awesome to where, yeah, Sam Darnold was better this year than year one.


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[Assistant] There are just some other guys that also impress me as much or more. You know, I'm, Sam Dornal is the type of guy where...


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[Assistant] You know, I wouldn't be shocked if we were sitting here next year and he was in my top 10. I wouldn't be. But I think the biggest thing with Sam Darnold to me, I guess the one thing I would like to see more is those in the pocket


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[Assistant] You know, Drew Locke and the Denver Broncos, he's gonna make some throws every game in the pocket that are gonna change field position, change the flow of the football game.


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[Assistant] Along with the offense is going to be able to call certain plays with him because of his ability to throw big time strikes from the pocket down the field.


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[Assistant] That to me is just one area where Sam Darnold I look at and could get better.


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[Assistant] You know, hey, whether that's like a 25 yard missile down the right side line in between a cover two corner and a safety, but those type of things, that's, that's the one area I look at a Sam Donovan to go.


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[Assistant] Ooh, I like everything about him. Dad talked about him, you know, the aura or presence he has. It's very real. It's a very, I've been around all these guys really.


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[Assistant] And I've been around Sam Donald a lot. It's a quiet confidence about him.


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[Assistant] He has a presence as soon as he walks in the room. You know he's smart. You can see he's kind of evaluating everybody. If you say something stupid, he's very quick on his toes and will make fun of that right away, which I love, okay? Uh, but I think that's the thing that


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[Assistant] That, that's what it is, Ahmed. Dad really hit it. That's really what it is. And that's probably why he's 23, cause, you know,


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[Assistant] And it's not played through Sam Donald quite yet. There's still a little bit of a, oh, he's young. We're going to protect them. And you're right. This is the year that I think dad hit it. They got to let it go and let everything flow for him. And hey, there's a reason they picked him number three and let him carry the squad from there.


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[Assistant] I got a few notes next to that on my list that I have on my notebook there because I had a hard time figuring that out on the go the first time around. And yeah, as much, I like Sam Darnold, but you're going to see, you know, as we crack down this list, you're going to go, well, okay, well I can understand that guy being in front of Sam Darnold.


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[Assistant] There is a lot of good damn quarterbacks in football right now, and a lot of the quarterbacks that are somewhere, let's just say the ones we hit today, you know, 10 through, what was it, 26? I mean, I know we hit 26 through 23 today, but I'm just saying 10 through 26.


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[Assistant] It's not a huge gap between guys we're talking about here. And a lot of these guys, they have a good year and improve on some things. I look at them and go, they have potential to be top ten quarterbacks. And some of them have potential to be top five quarterbacks. They really do. So it's a good thing for our sport. We got a lot of gunslingers out there. We got a lot of good quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] And uh, it's what of course drives the sport and makes it fun for guys like me and you to have lots of things to talk about.


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[Assistant] Oh baby. Alright, good stuff today, dude. Good podcast.


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[Assistant] That's it for Kristen Zumbuddin. Ahmed Fareed. I love you.


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[Assistant] Hey, let's continue to fight the good fight for humanity and care about all and treat everybody as equal. That's the last thing I got to say. Peace out, everybody. Be good. You the man, Ahmed. Talk to you.


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[Assistant] Yo, yo, what's up? Come on, man. Subscribe on YouTube to Chris Simms Unbuttoned Podcast. I need you. Please hit the subscribe button, please.


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[Assistant] Good, they're just the right amount of heart, too. Like, I should have got all five of those. But I'm blonde and I smoke too many daddy cigars and sometimes my brain forgets itself, okay? So that's a little bit of an issue.


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[Assistant] But you don't like it. You know I pride myself on being a football historian and being knowledgeable, so I take it serious.


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[Assistant] You get me watching something. The kids could be asking me homework questions. Right. It's over. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just say, yeah. And then they're like, dad, what do you think? What are you? Oh, what are you talking about? Like just totally out of it. That's such a dad thing to do. I can remember my dad doing it to me. So, uh, just passion, passing it along.


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[Assistant] That it would be Strugglesville for them. So we're taking that as a unit. You know, the quarterback room. And we're gonna build teams through the offensive line, defensive line, linebacker position. Who has the best units and combine them in the NFL and see what we come up with. So it's a cool little exercise. It really is.


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[Assistant] I mean, there is some, there was some tough choices along this, where I was going back and forth between rosters and pulling up a little film here and there, just to go like, alright, let me just watch this guy for a second. So, uh, it's, it's a good idea by you and Pete Demolitolitis.


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[Assistant] It's like a huge, my little girl plays it on Xbox. You know, SimCity, they can create their own world. It's like, I want to say it's Sims for Simulation City. That's why they say SimCity.


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[Assistant] You can build your own town, cities, lives, everything. I watched my 13 year old daughter Charlotte do it and I mean it's, it's, it's actually like


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[Assistant] I was like, alright, we gotta find a game where we can all play together or fight or do whatever. So I've been schooling them in Mortal Kombat, which is...


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[Assistant] And they just go into this wormhole of like, hey, we'll see you in 5 hours and he's gonna come up and be hungry and impatient and a real pain in the ass. And I go, that's the Fortnite right there and that's why I'm gonna ban that shit if you don't correct your attitude. And that's usually how the afternoon conversation goes.


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[Assistant] You know, if you're the New England Patriots and Tom Brady gets hurt or he gets suspended, man, we don't want to go 0-4 and then be in the hole and then have Tom Crowe. No, we better have some backups to play. You know, if you're the New Orleans Saints and Drew Brees.


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[Assistant] And you're a Super Bowl team and man, what happens if Drew Brees got hurt for five games? Oh wait, that happened and they had a good quarterback room and went five and oh when he wasn't gone and it saved their season. So.


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[Assistant] There won't be ruined really if their back up got hurt. But let alone it gives them the flexibility at the position to do some really unique things. And you know, this one was, you know, I think fairly obvious. I think if we're gonna do this exercise, you look at those three guys they got down there with Taysom Hill, Jameis Winston.


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[Assistant] And Drew Brees, that's a special group. We know Winston can play at a high level. We know he's got to fix things. Brees is, you know, a Hall of Famer for a reason. And then Taysom Hill is, yeaah, the gadget guy.


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[Assistant] I think with all of those things encompassing the Saints are the leaders in the clubhouse as far as a quarterback room and depth is concerned.


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[Assistant] Well, listen, it's a great question. It's a real problem. There's no doubt about that. Yeah, Teddy Bridgewater.


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[Assistant] You know, he is, he's careful with the ball. You know, he's one of those guys where I would have said, you know, again, he's like in that Tyrod Taylor camp where I go, you know, he's not going to win you games, but he's not going to lose you games either. And there is something to that.


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[Assistant] James Winston can win you games, but he can also lose you games. He is almost the exact opposite of Teddy Bridgewater. I'm taking this into account. The fact that he's got arguably the greatest offensive mind in the sport and one of the greatest quarterback teachers in the sport


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[Assistant] You know, it's, he's not gonna have to risk it to get his biscuit. Sean Payton's gonna go, no, no, listen, I got a formation and a play here that's gonna screw the defense over and I'm gonna find you a wide open completion for six yards. Don't make it more complicated than it has to be. Just listen to what I.


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[Assistant] And it'll be that simple or his ass will be out of the league. So you're right. It's the big question, but I'm betting on Sean Payton, I think, to fix Jameis Winston.


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[Assistant] Well, it's, you know, the quarterback coach is kind of part of the quarterback room that way. And yeah, I mean, Sean Payton is the quarterback coach, the offensive coordinator and all those things. And I think, you know, we do have to take into account. Yeah. You know, James Winston, I value him as one of the best backups in football.


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[Assistant] Right? The Ravens, they were one. The Lamar Jackson, RG3, Trace McSwordley. You know, again, it's not that I think all those guys are amazing, but they fit how the Ravens want to play. And that makes sense to me. That's where it's a good room.


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[Assistant] You know, the Dolphins, when you got two of, it's Patrick, Josh Rosen, not a bad three there. And then the Colts, the Colts will be the other team that kind of jumped out to me as having a pretty good quarterback room and situation in general.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, they were in the running, like they were on my original list there. I looked for teams that I felt had a really good, you know, three quarterbacks. I tried to kind of play it that way, to play true to the exercise and look that way.


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[Assistant] You know, yeaah. You know, could you debate there's some 1-2 combinations out there that might be better? I don't know. Yeaah, you probably could. But, you know, I think what the Saints had and just the versatility in the room, and that all three of them can play within the Sean Payton offense,


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[Assistant] But all three of them can carve out their own little element. I think they could be special in the Sean Payton offense. It's probably the biggest reason I picked those guys, but certainly no disrespect to Dak Prescott or Andy Dalton or anybody like that.


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[Assistant] It was, towards the end. Early on in my career it was not. But then towards the end when, you know, they started to make the rules different and things like that, uh, yes, it changed to where a lot of the times it would be only two quarterbacks. Now Gruden was different than most of the coaches when it did change where he still dressed three. So we had three a lot.


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[Assistant] Right, and you know one thing I meant to hit on just right off the top and I'm sorry, I did list-


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[Assistant] To me, and I don't know who you'll have at number three, and I don't even want to ask, but I got no issue with you saying defense align is second most important. I mean, you're right. I mean, in a lot of ways, hey, first off,


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[Assistant] You know, the number one past defense in football, the San Francisco 49ers, hey, had a good secondary, but I'm not sitting here going, oh man, we need to rewrite the history books with all the talent they had.


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[Assistant] No, the reason they had a great past events was because of what you said. Their defensive line made things a lot easier for the secondary and pressured the quarterback and caused turnovers and batted balls down and made the quarterback throw the ball before he didn't want to.


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[Assistant] I'm with you all the way. You know, there's, there's different ways you can do it. You know, you could do it that way as far as the 49ers concerned, or you do it like the New England Patriots, where they put more assets into the actual secondary and then they get a mix match of different guys up front and they try to confuse you and get pressure that way.


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[Assistant] Right? And said because they don't have the studs, but either way, it's an interesting conversation and talking point. And I'm, you know, listen, Paul, I'm not going to argue there. To me, it'd probably be defense.


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[Assistant] Damn, this was a tough one. I mean, it was a, you know, I wrote originally like six or seven teams down and then I cut it down to five and then I really got down to two and then ultimately


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[Assistant] I picked the team we just talked about, which is the San Francisco 49ers. I did. You know, and I know they lost to Forrest Buckner. I understand that.


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[Assistant] But, it's the rest of the guys, and the depth that they have behind it, that I think is unbelievable. When you get into the Nick Bosa, and then the Eric Armstead, and then the D. Ford.


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[Assistant] And then you start talking about Solomon Thomas and Ronald Blair and DJ Jones, which are guys I understand are not household names, but you gotta trust me, somebody that evaluates football.


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[Assistant] And if you watched the 49ers last year, that they had a big part in that football team. Not only with the rotation, just sending fresh guys out there.


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[Assistant] But guys like DJ Jones and Ronald Blair were disruptive too. Like I would argue it was one of the better back up D lines in all of football. It wasn't just like, hey, come in and we really fall off, but we want you to rest. We want to rest our starters. No, these backups would come in and cause disruption and be a handful too. So I think with the top level talent,


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[Assistant] You know, it's, we talked about it. They don't, they're not famous for their man-to-man coverage. They're, they're, they're guys in the back end where we're going, oh, they'll lock people down and just.


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[Assistant] You know, they'll make the quarterback pat on the ball because nobody will get open. No, the 49ers are almost the opposite. They're kind of simple in the back end.


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[Assistant] But can they get into those holes of the zone before our four super freaks come there and rip your quarterbacks head off? I don't know. And most times they couldn't. So that's really the beauty of it. And then when you talk about a great defense line, you got to talk about the ability to be versatile, a mix of match personnel. Hey, one week I need a


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[Assistant] And you know, and when I first started, this team didn't come right to my brain, right? But then as I started to dig through, the Chicago Bears, that was the one that I looked at and went, damn.


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[Assistant] The Bears got some studs, you know, just right off the base level when you talk about Khalil Mack and Robert Quinn on the edge.


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[Assistant] And then you talk about, uhm, Eddie Goldman and Akeem Hicks on the inside, with some good rotational players behind them, like a Roy Robertson Harris and a Brett Urban and a few other guys, you start to go, holy crap, that Bears front is the real deal. And you know, just so everybody knows, you know, Khalil Mack, he's listed as a linebacker.


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[Assistant] And some of those guys, I don't, they're not linebackers. They're defense at end. They can list them as whatever they want.


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[Assistant] Right. I thought so. I mean, you know, and hey, similar situation. Well, what was it? Oh, quarterback's not that good.


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[Assistant] I don't think I would make them the third most important group. Okay. I probably would go off into line. I'm old school that way where I believe in building the Trent, you know, building, winning the trenches and being a physical football team. But you know, with the secondary.


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[Assistant] With the amount of super freaks we got at wide receiver right now, you know, the majority of teams still playing 11 personnel with three receivers on the field and all of that.


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[Assistant] Uh, the secondary is, it's crucial. Let alone, you know, you gotta have some versatility in your secondary to cover tight ends and running backs and the different mismatches you'll see in a different week to where


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[Assistant] You know, yeaah, I think you gotta put more thought into the secondary and it's more than just having four guys, you know, on a weekly basis this day and age. No, if your secondary doesn't have about seven or eight guys that can go into the game and play big nickel, big dime, small nickel, whatever it may be.


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[Assistant] The Travis Kelceys and the Zach Ertz of the world and all those things. You know, points during a game, you got to treat them like big wide receivers. So, uh, I, I, again, I'm not mad at you for making them, you know, the third most important. I'm sort of, I mean, I'm shocked you're an ex quarterback. I think you'd want to stay clean in your uniform and things, but other than that, I get it.


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[Assistant] It is, you know, it's just, you know, everything we just talked about, the Patriots have, you know,


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[Assistant] You know, the good old C's are gonna find a way to get in a formation and find a five yard completion on third and four against his own coverage. So you better have guys that can play man to man. And New England to me has one of the best duos in football with Stephon Gilmore and J.C. Jackson, let alone they have


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[Assistant] Like, guys that can be versatile and do different things. Oh, they got the Joe Jawan Williams out of Vanderbilt two years ago. Oh, what's he? Well, he's a 6'3 corner. In case Travis Kelsey's foot's out, they got a guy that's big and physical and can match his length and give him issues there. You know, in the, in the, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, Jason McCourty as being another corner that can play outside in case they go, wait, we got to reorganize how we do this this week. They're a little bit of a bigger wide receiving court. Hey, John Jones, who's a great nickel guy.


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[Assistant] We're gonna keep you off the field in nickel this week because we need some bigger guys. So we're gonna have J.C. Jackson, Gilmore.


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[Assistant] And, and Jason McCourty, instead of Jonathan Jones, were, okay, now we're playing the jitterbug type slot receiver. Hey, Jonathan Jones, you come in and cover him. So it's the versatility, it's the depth, it's the talent, it's the ability to match up with


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[Assistant] Wide receiver groups that are very different across the board in the NFL. I know last week we talked about like, you know, uh, I think I talked about it with Ahmed.


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[Assistant] You know, you want that big post-up guy that can catch 50-50 jump balls. You want that slot guy who can cut on a dime and make all those things happen. You want, you know, that shooting guard who can just fly and just do it all. And within that, if you expect to stop those types of offenses, you better have DBs that can match up with that too.


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[Assistant] Right now, I mean, I do argue it's as important as ever because, you know, to something you let off the segment about, you know, most teams are playing five DVs every, almost every play.


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[Assistant] You know, half the game is probably about close to 6 DBs, so you need a guy that...


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[Assistant] You know, with the safety play, hey, Jamal Adams, we need you to play, you know, your deep half and have great range back there. Oh, hey, it's second down. We got the same personnel group and we need you to get up there and be like a linebacker now. Can you, can you tackle and take on pulling guards?


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[Assistant] You know, oh hey now it's third down, we need you to cover a tight end man to man. So the safety play because of the versatility of the offenses, the offense is staying at the line of scrimmage and you know, not huddling and getting in tempo offenses and doing signals.


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[Assistant] You gotta have guys in the back end who can do a little bit of everything so your defense isn't compromised.


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[Assistant] with, you know, getting with the wrong personnel a you can't match up and y time out and reorganize


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[Assistant] You know, the corners, when you talk about Marlon Humphrey and Marcus Peters and Jimmy Smith, you start to go, well damn, that can rival the New England Patriots. It's the safety that's an issue for me with the Baltimore Ravens. You know, they're just not as talented as the guys in New England. You know, Earl Thomas, a legend, a Hall of Famer.


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[Assistant] He's not one of the ten best safeties in football anymore. That ship is gone. It's done. Sorry. So that was really the issue there. I also thought about the Los Angeles Chargers. I think they're in the running of things out there. Will you go through that and go, you know, the Chris Harris Jr.


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[Assistant] And Derwin James and Casey Heyward, uh, and you know, I'm blanking on the other corner they got over there, number 43. I'm blanking on him.


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[Assistant] They got him and Desmond King from your Iowa and all these guys that can do different things too to where that's a pretty damn impressive group that, uh, certainly


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[Assistant] So you better have some cows up front that can move people out of the way. And you're right. You know, one of the challenges I fell into was, whoa, okay, this group's got, you know, four out of five awesome offensive linemen, but damn, they got no depth.


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[Assistant] Wow, this one's got three out of five, but that does have depth and, you know, where to balance that and go with that conversation was not easy. But you know, ultimately what I ended up with was the team, one of the teams that I thought was one of the best offensive lines.


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[Assistant] All because of the offensive line. I just look at them. And when you go five across the board, just to start at that conversation right there, you know, four out of the five are really damn good players and Quinton Nelson.


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[Assistant] They're just ruined. He can't block anybody. But then to your depth conversation, you know, they got guys like LeRaven Clark there who can play guard and tackle. You know, Quentin Nelson could probably play some guard and tackle. Maybe even some center if you need to. They got Chaz Green on the roster.


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[Assistant] Who's played for a few teams, played for the Dallas Cowboys, but has experience in size who has a little guard tackle versatility. So between the top end talent and then having


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[Assistant] And then added to those guys I just mentioned in the background, I sit there and go, okay, they're awesome, but they could also sit there and withstand one or two injuries on that offensive line for a four or five week frame and still be really damn good and not have to like change the way they play football.


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[Assistant] As I did this exercise, you started to see certain teams that were in the conversation a lot at different positions.


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[Assistant] And then it starts to make you think, you go, damn, this team's going to be good because I'm like on my fifth position group and they've had


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[Assistant] Uh, that speaks to Chris Ballard, his ability as a GM. He's awesome that way.


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[Assistant] And, you know, he's got a coach in Frank Wright who came from Philadelphia and understands from his days in Buffalo that, hey, listen, it's, it's important. You know that you want to be able to throw the ball like Jim Kelly and have Thurman Thomas have big holes to run through. You better have a really damn good offensive line. And you know, they value that and they've done a good job of collecting talent there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they're on, they're right here on the short list. There's no doubt about it. You know, the Ravens, I love the two tackles, they're gigantic, you know.


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[Assistant] Okay, I understand that. That doesn't mean they were the best offensive line in football. You know, you put, you put Lamar Jackson behind the Colts offensive line and they devised a running back for him. Trust me, he'd have big holes too. It wouldn't be like, oh no, I can't run anywhere. Where's my Baltimore blockers? So, you know, I think that was the big thing. But the interior part there, for really them,


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[Assistant] And I think the Dallas Cowboys, they have a question that's center and guard. You know, we know one of their guards, like you said, but Zach Martin is awesome. He's probably the second best offense alignment in football behind Quentin Nelson.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's a center guard question there in Dallas. Tyrone Smith has really battled some injuries the last two years. And I think those were the little things I looked at to just go, ehhh. I don't think it's quite as good as the Colts. Now I got one, two other teams that jumped out to me in this combo. You know, the Saints.


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[Assistant] You know, the tackles they have, right? Ram's check might be the best right tackle of the game. Teron Armstead's really good. I don't think he's like in the conversation, we're one of the best, but he's really good.


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[Assistant] You know, the fact that they, the fact that they added Trent Williams.


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[Assistant] Now, I looked at that top five group right there and went, damn, that's a really, when you just talk about, you know, Trent Williams, McGlinchey,


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[Assistant] Weston Richburg and Lakin Tomlinson at guard, that four right there, that'll compete with any four in football, that will. Now that other guard position makes you want a little bit more and their depth isn't great and Trent Williams hasn't played football in a year and that's why I, these are all the reasons I led the Colts as the number one O-liner.


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[Assistant] Oh, okay. I mean, yeah, you're right. I can't name it. I don't know. But like, that doesn't mean the teams that won the Super Bowl didn't have really good receivers. I mean, that's insane. I mean, it truly is.


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[Assistant] You know, Pittsburgh Steelers and the ones they won with Big Ben, they still had good receivers. Aaron Rodgers and Green Bay at that time had good receivers. So I don't like that argument. You know, John Elway, Rod Smith and Ed McCaffrey were really good receivers.


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[Assistant] No, I think you're right. I think you're right. I think if you made me, if you made me pin it down, I would probably make wide receivers fifth too. I really would. I think that, that makes a lot of sense.


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[Assistant] I just don't like when people say, oh, you don't need great receivers to win a Super Bowl. That's insane. That's stupid.


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[Assistant] I'm going with the Chiefs. I don't mean to be like, you know, Johnny Chalk here, but...


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[Assistant] You know, when I just look at the room they have as a whole, you know, first off, the top end talent is special.


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[Assistant] Let alone if one of the top end talent guys get hurt, they got other guys behind them that are also special. And you know, I looked for wide receiver rooms that I felt like had three or more guys that I went, damn, that's a good group. I know there's maybe you could argue there's better duos out there in the NFL across the league.


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[Assistant] You know, for the purpose of this exercise and team building, I gotta have at least three and really want four. And I think that's where, you know, you get into Kansas City.


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[Assistant] When you really look at them, of course you know Tyree Kill and, and, uh, Sammy Watkins, yes.


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[Assistant] But the fact that they have, you know, McColl Hardman right there to be like, oh, hey, Sammy's hurt this week. McColl, can you get in? And we don't want to really miss a beat. We still need a guy that can run four, three and scare the shit out of people. Oh, hey, no problem. We got one of those guys. Throw them in there coach. Yeah. You know, and then to have DeMarcus Robinson as your fourth.


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[Assistant] You know, that to me is where I just look at them and go, damn, you know, their offense, one injury at that position, we saw Tyree Kill get hurt last year, didn't really hurt their offense. Sammy Watkins missed a bunch of games, didn't really hurt their offense. So I think between that, you know,


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[Assistant] But I think their four are so damn good, I just gotta give them, give them the leader, the lead here, uh, as far as that position's concerned.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think the teams that came out to me more than any, right off the bat, the Bills, alright, I think when you look at the Bills and go Cole Beasley, John Brown, and Stefan Diggs,


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[Assistant] And then they have some other down the line guys like Robert Foster and Isaiah McKenzie who I think are really good players too. I went damn, that's a really good five they got. Like a really good five.


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[Assistant] It does. Listen, they don't have that excuse anymore this year. They got everything. So yeaah, he's gonna have to be on his game, and if he's not, you know, throwing completions, it's not gonna, we're not gonna be able to make any other excuses up for him this year. And you know I love Josh, I'm a believer in his abilities. The Cardinals!


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[Assistant] You know, with DeAndre Hopkins, Christian Kurt, Larry Fitzgerald, uh, I'm missing another name that I wanted to thank, Andy Isabella in the conversation, and there's still one more guy. When I look at that group, I go, damn, that's pretty good. And then the Texans, you know, yeaah, I know they let go of DeAndre Hopkins, but still, to have Cook


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[Assistant] You know, that's a really good three to where all three can have a similar skill set. You won't be able to pin one guy to doing one certain thing. So, you know, those were ones that jumped out to me.


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[Assistant] I think just the Chief's top level talent and the fact that they have four really good ones. And I forgot Randall Cobb, sorry.


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[Assistant] And Kiki Kuti, that's who I was thinking of. So I can't do it all. I can't talk into a FaceTime and look up all the info and all that. So I knew I was blanking on two names with that Texas team, but damn, that's a good group. Way to go, Pete Dibble little lightest with that text message to remind me who I was missing there.


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[Assistant] Throwing under their bus, too drastically, Bill O'Brien in this conversation with DeAndre Hopkins. You know, one,


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[Assistant] Filling that DeAndre Hopkins void. And to me, I'll be interested in Paul, and you just tell me your thoughts here. Like,


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[Assistant] You know, I don't know, there's some ways where I think they could be better. And I know that nobody on that roster is as good as DeAndre Hopkins, but I'm saying from this standpoint, in a big moment, any big play,


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[Assistant] It always was Watson looking for DeAndre Hopkins. And there's a lot of big moments I can show you where it didn't work out, because of course the defense knew that too. And they doubled them in big situations and took them away and did all that.


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[Assistant] I don't really trust that one guy. Forget the concept. Let me just play backyard football and it'll be me and DeAndre and we'll make something happen. You know, they, they're great. They can make it happen a lot, but I don't know if you can beat the really, really great


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[Assistant] You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying it might be a little harder to defend them as a complete offense this year. As in, you know, if you and I went back and watched every big third and five from last year,


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[Assistant] So the Kansas City Chiefs watch film and they know what's going on and they said, you're not going to do that to us. And you know, I think that could be a good thing for Deshaun Watson and Bill O'Brien for this text.


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[Assistant] Good duos out there, right? That's one thing I'll say. You know, hey, Philadelphia got Goddard and Ertz. You go, oh, okay, is that it? You know, but I was looking for more than just a duo here again.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't, I don't want a duo or just a duo. If you're a team that runs a lot of two tight end scents and all of a sudden one of those guys get hurt.


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[Assistant] You know, damn, your offense is screwed. And then, you know, you gotta start to find a new way and probably play a receiver that you don't feel comfortable with and play him more. So, you know, I, I looked for tight ends that had more than two or teams that had more than two tight ends to really fill out the roster. And again, that would have been, you know, New England's approach.


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[Assistant] You know, when they were going tight end heavy, they didn't, they had people in case Aaron Hernandez or Rob Gronkowski got hurt to where they could still do it. Not at that level, but they could still run their offense.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, there was a few teams that came out to me, but I think ultimately it became a two-man race when I really dove into it. And you know who won, you know, who do you think won?


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[Assistant] Okay, I think it's the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I gotta go with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers here. I do. I just think when you look at three guys who


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[Assistant] Have really everything to their football game.


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[Assistant] I, I am gonna give them, you know, Cameron Brake can block, and he's a good pass catching tight end. OJ Howard, again, I feel like just because he was drafted in the first round, we all think he's crap.


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[Assistant] You know, I just look at those three and go, man, one injury happens. Nothing's going to happen. They can get in three tight end sets and play power football or split them out and they can all run routes that way. So I think ultimately I just think.


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[Assistant] Those three guys, the quality and size and strength and ability to run and block and all those things, I gave them the edge just


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[Assistant] You know, you talk about like, hey, they're wide receivers, we know they're dangerous. Now, it's a little bit of a two-man race. You know, they drafted a kid out of Minnesota, Tyler Johnson, that I like, certainly. They got Jaden Mickens there, okay. But really, it's Chris Godmans and Mike Evans.


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[Assistant] But when you talk about, yeaah, those two guys, and then those two tight ends, or two of those three tight ends on the field at the same time, yeaah, to your point, Paul.


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[Assistant] You know, how do you cover that group? Godwin, as good as he is in the slot and moving around, you know, so okay, you got a smaller guy on him, but then you need a bigger DB for Mike Evans. And then, man, we need a bigger DB for OJ Howard.


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[Assistant] And then, wait, what the hell are we gonna do with Gronk? Are we gonna put a linebacker on him? No way. He's gonna tear a linebacker apart. There's no chance they have him covering him. So then you go, okay, wait, do we have another big corner? Do we have to put our safety out there?


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[Assistant] You know, so there's, you're right, they're going to pose some problems just before the game even starts with teams figuring out the personnel and how they want to match up with the Tampa Bay Bucks on first and second down.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think you're going to have to gavel with that. You know, there's going to be certain teams that I do think that can match up with them. You know, I do, but at the same time, yeah, you're going to be, you're going to be, have to be careful to, you know, uh,


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[Assistant] Too much man-to-man and they're switching guys around and it's confusing your defense. And wait, we thought they were going to split out receivers, the tight ends. Now they're over here playing, you know, traditional tight end. They're going to play power run football. Wait, we have our DBs on the edge of the defense now.


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[Assistant] Being responsible for the D and E gaps on the outside, that's not good. Ho, we better check the zone and get back in it. Hey linebackers, get back in here, help us out. We got a 190 pound corner that's gonna have to set the edge against Rob Gronkowski. So yeaah, you're gonna have to be very careful about


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[Assistant] How you, what defenses you call, and really what will happen, Paul, is coaches, when they play the Bucks, will have a play sheet for certain personnels to where, okay, this personnels in, and we have our personnel that matches it.


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[Assistant] You know, Bucks, it's too late. You're all in. That's Tom Brady time. That's Tampa Bay. That's Tampa Tom, whatever the hell you want to call it. But they're all in for the Super Bowl. So, you know, I, I won. We know this is not a great offensive line down there in Tampa.


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[Assistant] The tight ends can help that out. You got another body to help in max protection. You know, they can help in the run game, especially the edge run game.


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[Assistant] And yeah, it might not be accurate because he's got people hanging all over him, but he knows where he is and he knows how to put it in a spot to where, oh, the big tight end could get it or nobody does. And I, I just think too, with, you know, not a,


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[Assistant] You gotta take the tight ends to an account to help that out. Like you said, you gotta almost count the tight ends as semi-slash receivers this day and age in the NFL too, to where


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[Assistant] You know, they're going to play an important part in the passing game. I'm sure Brady's going to have some plays that they ran in New England for the tight end that Arizona is going to, I mean, not Arizona, the Tampa Bay is going to go, Ooh, we never thought of it or did it this way. That's interesting. So I just think it would make two cents. You're all in right now. Go for it.


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[Assistant] These are good tight ends and I think they are going to help that football team out in a lot of ways.


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[Assistant] Well, the Raiders are like under the radar. First off, Jason Witten's there, right? So hey, Jason Witten, I know it's the end of his career, but you know, he's still, the way he played last year, I, I'm shocked. I couldn't believe it. I mean, called some games and not that he was like a superstar, but he was still really good. He could still block people.


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[Assistant] You know, he's not scary in the past game, but he's certainly smart and knows how to run routes and use people's leverage against them to where if you need a six yard, eight yard completion, Jason Witten will still get open. But the big thing is, is they have tremendous depth.


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[Assistant] You know, statistically one of the best tight ends of football last year. Right. And really the go to guy for that Raiders team and had what like 11, over 1100 yards receiving. So he's really good. But then when you get into Nick O'Leary, who's a really good.


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[Assistant] H back, utility, tight end, you could do some different things, right?


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[Assistant] We said Jason Wynn, Foster Moreau, big kid they got a few years ago out of LSU. He was a big blocking tight end. He was just decent in the pass game. Nothing special, but brings the blocking aspect to it. You know, they got three or four guys and I know Gruden values the tight end position.


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[Assistant] Who are real solid players with one who's about to be a household superstar at the tight end position that people just don't know about. And that's Darren Waller. So they were very close in the running there with me for, with Tampa Bay at that time.


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[Assistant] And then I was sitting here before the podcast looking and go, Oh damn, wait, they want to talk about special teams. And I got on the mic here and I was like, Hey guys, I didn't do the special teams part. I'm sorry about that.


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[Assistant] But, you know, shame on all of us, shame on me. We don't talk about it on a weekly, uh, weekly basis enough during the regular season as far as it being an important part, you know, of a team.


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[Assistant] And, you know, more times than not, when you look at the teams who are the top of the NFL record wise, they're very good on special teams. Of course, it's the third phase. Hey, you know, the, the chiefs are awesome at kick returns and awesome at making field goals. And then they have an awesome punter. Huh?


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[Assistant] So, you know, I look at that. Hey, we know what the Baltimore Ravens and Justin Tuck does for that team on a yearly basis. So, uh, I think if you made me pick one though, it probably would be that Kansas City Chiefs special teams that jumps out to me just to give you an answer there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I agree. You know, and again, I mean...


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[Assistant] You know, that's because it gives you flexibility. Scheme wise, ooh, this, this, this guy's banged up. We know how physical the position is in general to where, man, these running backs got nicks and nacks and are, you know, banged up almost every week all year. So if you only have one or two,


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[Assistant] But I think ultimately here, I'm going with the Baltimore Ravens as the running back group that I would want more than any in football. You know, I think.


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[Assistant] With the Ravens, I think the big thing is they got four running backs that are capable and it's like they got a, they got a good power back and a good speed back and then they got a good backup power back and a good backup speed back.


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[Assistant] And that's what I like. And of course, like we said, we've seen New England do it with Dion Lewis and James White and LeGarret Blun and whoever else that could run the football. They always had more than one guy. So.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I look at this and go, okay, you got Mark Ingram, sledgehammer, explodes to the hole, will just absolutely knock your head off, head, you know, you know, head on in a collision. I mean, runs aggressive. You know, then Gus Edwards there to back him up. Wow, that's pretty damn good backup. I mean, he's, he's a player.


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[Assistant] But then, okay, you got Justice Hill, who they drafted two years ago at Oklahoma State, a little bit of a speed guy, you can get him out of the edge. Lamar Jackson wants to, you know, pitch him the ball on the option or whatever. He's scary, but he ain't as scary as J.K. Dobbins now, who's in that race. I mean, J.K. Dobbins, holy crap-ola.


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[Assistant] You know, I can just picture, you know, Lamar Jackson and the shotgun, those big suckers on the offensive line.


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[Assistant] The Ravens, they got two good tight ends. We probably didn't talk about them enough in that position. But then you got Dobbins and Ingram on both sides of you. You know, what do you do as a defense? Like, man, Ingram up the middle is scary. Man, Lamar Jackson on the edge is scary. Whoa, J.K. Dobbins on the edge is even scarier.


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[Assistant] You know, so I look at that group right there and go, they could withstand two injuries and still be a really good running back group, let alone they have four of them, and I think


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[Assistant] Top end talent, you know, first off, you know, I like Jonathan Taylor. I thought he was the second best running back in the draft. I mean, he's going to be the starter. They didn't draft him in the second round to sit on the bench. He's going to be the guy. So I do love him. And again, at two 30 and you run four three nine, like there, there ain't many people on planet earth that can do that.


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[Assistant] You know, it's the Jonathan Taylor, okay, Marlon Mack. Wow, that's awesome. Jordan Wilkins, who's a really capable guy and has had a play for them. He does good things. And then they got a guy like Maheem Hines, who we both have seen in person at North Carolina State a few years back.


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[Assistant] Who's that jitterbug, Darren Sproles type guy. So they got everything. So that was one that jumped out to me, certainly. The 49ers came to mind.


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[Assistant] The Vikings came to mind, you know, especially because those top two are really special there, but they got other guys on their roster too. I think those are the ones that probably jumped out to me more than, than any other teams out there. Oh, and I did forget the Broncos were on the list too. I just saw Pete Dimalytis texting, you know, with, with, with Phillip Lindsay.


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[Assistant] You know, and uhm, my man Melvin Gordon, that is a pretty good group. Yeaah, Melvin Gordon scares me a little bit because of some knee issues and things like that, that gave me a little trepidation about them.


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[Assistant] Well, I just think that you gotta have that versatility at that position to, you know, again, the broader point, like you've hit on a few times with offenses being more creative, the play callers being, you know, more in depth with formations and shifts and things like that. And then you gotta have some guys where, yeah, you know, if it's third and seven,


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[Assistant] Alright, and they play coverage every third down. Well, there's no point in having Mark Ingram in for that point, that game. Then I want J.K. Dobbins. I want a guy that, alright, let's get them out. We don't have to worry about blocking. Let's get them all in space and watch them, you know, make people miss and make them look silly. So I think it is an important part. And you know, between my time in New England, I learned that.


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[Assistant] And then of course my buddy Kyle Shanahan and his beliefs there. You know, you got certain runners that are really good at outside zone. You got another guy that's a little better at inside zone. Hey, this guy is better behind a fullback or a pulling guard. He understands how to set up blocks and read off the block and make something happen. So, you know, it's a very nuanced position.


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[Assistant] And I think it's really going to be the trend of the NFL going forward. I do just.


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[Assistant] I think I would have, I think I would have, you know, devalued them the most.


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[Assistant] You know, linebackers are really interesting conversation. It really is. And because


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[Assistant] You know, when you talk about like fast defenses, right?


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[Assistant] When usually the difference between what we would just call an average defense and a defense that's whoa really fast and they just seem like they're all over the field. What you're really talking about is the linebackers in that case more times than not.


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[Assistant] You know, just about all the teams got secondary guys that of course can run 4-4. I mean, yeaah. If you're not running 4-4 or 4-5 in the secondary in the NFL, then you got a horrible secondary. You got issues.


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[Assistant] They have linebackers that can fly around the field and create chaos. And, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, that, that's, that's to me where it is important, let alone they do play into that conversation, Paul, that we've talked about, about being able to cover tight ends, being able to cover the running back out of the backfield, you know, and the versatility of the offense can be matched


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I think you're right. I do. I think you're right. Now...


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[Assistant] We're talking about affecting the run. That's a different conversation. But you're right. When it comes to pass and the league mostly is a passing league and the teams are more pass heavy, of course.


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[Assistant] Uh, I think there's a lot of teams that certainly don't value them quite as much as they used to, you know, back in the day of, you know, full back and tight end and two receivers and do that. It's just not the same game.


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[Assistant] I think this might shock you. Alright, and again.


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[Assistant] This is not about, like, best duo in football, alright? I know there's better duos.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm, I'm trying to go three here. I'm trying to go for something with a little depth. I'm going with the San Francisco 49ers. Okay. And yeah.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't know if people really, really realize or know their names of all these guys, but.


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[Assistant] Tremendous speed. They are a team that can play base defense, Paul.


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[Assistant] When some teams play three receiver sets because they got some linebackers that can run 4-4. You know, first off, Quan Alexander in the middle.


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[Assistant] Psycho, can fly, sideline to sideline, 4-4, LSU type linebacker. But then you get into Dre Greenlaw, you know, the guy who made the great tackle at the end of week 17 to stop the Seahawks from getting the end zone. Another guy.


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[Assistant] Can fly around the field. You know, these guys aren't household names yet, but physical, no hesitation in their game, can cover people if they have to, unbelievable open field tacklers. Those two are, especially. And then, you know, last but not least, Fred Warner. I mean, Fred Warner,


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[Assistant] Somebody got nicked or nacked or something was issue, they're not gonna like fall off earth, but I just, when I look at a three, alright, and to the point here of the team building thing.


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[Assistant] One of those guys gets hurt, well I don't know, I'm not into that team. That team's gonna be scary if one guy gets hurt. Like I worry about the Minnesota Vikings if like Anthony Barr gets hurt or Eric Kendricks get hurt. Their team, their defense falls off when those guys aren't in there. You know, it's very predicated on their talent and what they can do.


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[Assistant] You know, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, they got two good ones.


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[Assistant] As the team with the linebackers. I really didn't when I went into the exercise. And when I got done, I just went, you know what?


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[Assistant] Because you know, you sit there at the 49ers, we've talked about them in the running back conversation. We've talked about them in the offensive line conversation. I've given them the D line and the linebackers. So, you know, that's four out of what, eight or nine position groups where the 49ers have been towards the top of the list. No wonder they were third.


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[Assistant] You know, that's, it actually, this is gonna be one of those exercises when I gotta start picking wins and teams and things like that come July and August and all that.


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[Assistant] I don't know if there's anybody on the planet that would be more qualified to say they're an expert in Phil Simms' career. So, I'll be disappointed if I don't at least get 4 out of 5.


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[Assistant] But, you know, and two, hey, I'll give big guy a credit. You know, year 15 of his career, he played really well. He went to the Pro Bowl.


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[Assistant] He was playing in the NFC East, which was no joke at that time. With the Eagles, the Cowboys of course were the best team in football and the Redskins were no slouch, so.


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[Assistant] Uh, for him to have that year, and like you said, throw no interceptions after Thanksgiving.


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[Assistant] This is a good one. And you know, this is, you know, my dad, he threw for 513 yards. They lost the game. And I believe the very next week he threw for 400 and something yards against the Dallas Cowboys. Uh, and for a long time, it was the back to back two biggest yardage games in the history of the NFL.


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[Assistant] I know I think Brady and a few other guys have passed it since then.


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[Assistant] Alright, alright, I'm not, this is not the answer, I'm just talking this out a little bit. So 85, gosh, I mean maybe, I don't want to, this is not my answer, I'm just talking Lionel Manuel, Zeke Mowat, Mark Bavaro was there. I'm gonna go with Zeke Mowat.


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[Assistant] I just thought, like, Bavaro's rookie year, maybe they didn't throw him the ball quite that much that game. My initial thought was to go with Bavaro.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean, that, that's, uh, it does. It says a lot. You know, that they were throwing the ball like that. They were a very aggressive passing team.


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[Assistant] You know, I, you know, I sometimes hear people talk about my dad and they go, oh, your dad was a game manager. And I want to go, what? I mean, try to find a touchdown pass under 10 yards in my dad's career.


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[Assistant] Everything is, you know, huge throw down the field, 15, 20, 30, 40 yard throws, you know, and not easy throws that way either. I mean, it really was until they got into, you know,


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[Assistant] Wow, you're gonna say that much. Okay, that's good. But what's insane is Dan Marino threw for 5,000 yards that same damn year.


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[Assistant] No, I'm never gonna get it. It's not, it's not Kenny O'Brien, is it? No.


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[Assistant] Neil Lomax. Yeaah. He was a great quarterback that nobody will ever remember there in their mid-80s. I know my dad always had a lot of respect for Neil Lomax. He could, he could sling it.


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[Assistant] It was L.A. Damn it. Alright. I, I really, you know, I, I out-thought myself there once again. I wasn't sure. And you know, I, I knew that Colts team was kind of good in 93, so I wasn't sure. I mean, the Oilers team, but.


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[Assistant] Uh, damn, that's some list and yeaah, there was some damn good ques-


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[Assistant] I don't know, these are two layup subjects too. It was me and my father, so I should know them pretty damn well.


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[Assistant] Ahmed Farid's back in the fold. We're going to have the big front. We're going to do some Ask Me Anythings and we're going to talk about some other subjects that came up around the NFL this week and kind of dive into it then. But hope everybody enjoyed the podcast. Pauly, you the man. I think you're back next, what are you back next Tuesday for sure? Yes, sir.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, no. So, I definitely could have run a 4-8-40 before the whole quarantine thing happened, but I've just been eating this whole time and not working out, so it's probably over. That window is now passed. So, it was true at one point, I can hear Phil scoffing in the background.


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[Assistant] Well, I know it'd be hard now because it's physically painful for me to move faster than normal, faster than a brisk walk. So you're probably right. I probably could do it. But as, as you hear, we got, we got Phil on the show back today.


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[Assistant] Chris, we got an AMA. We got so many good questions from, uh, from the homies out there. And so we'll get to as many of those as we, as we can. But can we start with something you guys have been talking a bit about on PFT?


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[Assistant] About jerseys and favorite jerseys of all time. And Phil, uh, you're very active on Twitter. And so you took that question and you said, oh, you've got a favorite jersey. And we're showing it right now to our YouTube audience. And it says Sims, Sims number 11. Uh, well you asked. And so, I mean, obviously,


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[Assistant] Yep, and then also on the wall was the, uh, the Buccaneers 2 jersey, which created a lot of waves because I don't think a whole lot of people have that.


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[Assistant] And also, Mike Florio noticed that in the reflection in the glass, it appears as though Phil, you're wearing, you're wearing a robe, a blue robe that goes down to your knees. And I don't know for a fact, but it does seem like you have bare legs below the knees.


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[Assistant] You look at some of his numbers, Phil. I, I feel like he almost gets a little bit of a, of a raw deal. You know, he's, he's never been looked at as an elite quarterback, but he was a solidly above average quarterback, franchise leader. He leaves in Cincinnati and touchdown passes.


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[Assistant] Uh, he had four career playoff games, didn't win any of them, but he never threw a single pass while the Bengals had the lead. And so he was coming from behind or tied in all those games. He was a solid quarterback for Cincinnati and now moving on. Phil, just what's your reaction to Andy Dalton's tenure in Cincinnati being over?


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[Assistant] Seems like every team out there could use the safety net of an Andy Dalton. You guys maybe could make some money out there because the betting sites have, New England is the favorite.


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[Assistant] Uh, so if you don't think he's going there, Jacksonville is the second choice. You got Pittsburgh there, you got Las Vegas, you got Washington also is.


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[Assistant] Uh, showing up on some, uh, these betting websites is, is a possible landing spot for Andy Dalton. Uh, but it looks like he'll be a backup somewhere out there like you guys mentioned. And one of the big questions, Phil, that we've gotten, we, we went to the homies and had them ask us anything. And there's so many questions about the new backup quarterback.


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[Assistant] In Green Bay, and that is Jordan Love.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and so I'd like to get your perspective on this and we'll start with a question. This one coming from James who said, do you think Aaron Rodgers should force a trade and give Matt LaFleur the middle finger? Uh, so what do you, what do you think?


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[Assistant] What do you think Rogers is thinking right now? And what do you make of the Packers taking Jordan Love training up to get him in the first round?


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[Assistant] I think I would love to say, cause I'm at heart of contrarian, I would love to say that I love, I like to see it. And you know, part of me does see in the NFL, right, if you can have a backup quarterback, quarterback's the most important position in all of football. And if you lose your quarterback, you don't want your season to go kaput.


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[Assistant] You know, having a solid backup quarterback might be the smartest thing you can do if you know your starter is going to get hurt, but...


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was with everyone else. You know, you said all the things that Aaron Rodgers is going to have leverage. He's going to have an ability to.


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[Assistant] Prove Matt LaFleur wrong in two years, but what he's not gonna have is these high-flying wide receivers or weapons, weapons around him to do it, which is what we all thought they would get in the deepest wide receiver draft.


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[Assistant] Ever. So yeaah, I'm with you guys, everyone's scratching their head on it and trying to figure out how it's all gonna work together. And some people, Phil, were scratching their head on what the Eagles did with Jalen Hurts. Now I didn't spend a first round pick on Jalen Hurts, but MIA Shelton asked, what are the Eagles doing? I don't understand.


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[Assistant] The philosophy. Now, I think part of it with Hertz is you look at the Taysom Hill comp with New Orleans and you say, alright, if he's not the starting quarterback, he's still of value to your team doing a whole bunch of other things. Do you think that's a possibility with the Eagles and what they're looking at with Hertz?


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[Assistant] Yeah, Eagles are going to be in contention there in the NFC East. Do you got time for a couple questions from the homies here, Phil, before we let you go?


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[Assistant] How far do you think the Giants are from contending? So they were 4 and 12 last year as you guys well know.


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[Assistant] They had just one winning season the last seven years. They appear to be in a division where it wouldn't take a whole lot to get, uh, back near the top. Had a pretty good draft. Got Andrew Thomas. Got Xavier McKinney. Chris, I know you like him a lot. They added Blake Martinez, James Bradbury, and Free Agency. So what do you think? The Giants 4-12 last year. How much better are they this year?


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[Assistant] One more before I let you go here. Phil, this one comes from Connor Gilmore. It's not about quarterbacks, not about the NFC East.


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[Assistant] He says, what do NFL players do if they have to take a piss in the middle of a game? It's a very important question, and I'm sure it does come up from time to time.


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[Assistant] I can tell you that my number one fear in TV has always been to throw up, to vomit live on TV, but that might be number two, literally. Number two might be number two for me. Because that's what you're known as, that's what you're known as then.


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[Assistant] Hey hold on, so Phil, I lied to you here as I know you were kind of wrapping it up there. So I got one more question that I do want to throw at you. I'll throw it to your son first here Chris. So this might be my favorite.


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[Assistant] So this one comes from Stephen Brown and it really is my favorite question that I've seen, maybe that we've ever gotten for an AMA. And I've been thinking about it for a few hours now. His question is, if a roster could be made up entirely


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[Assistant] How good is that team going to be, especially if they can be coached by Bill? Chris, why don't you start with that? How good do you think they'd be?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it's, what would the timeline be? That's the question, right? What would the, would it, so year one, okay, no, they're just learning, but in year three or four, if you keep this whole team together, because by definition, it is a team filled with 32 first round picks. I don't know.


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[Assistant] A team has ever had that many top of the draft guys. So like by year three or four, if they all stay together, could it be the best NFL team?