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[Assistant] It is Drophy v Narco. You're watching No Jumps.


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[Assistant] Just whatever, just weird shit, breaking into people's houses, like shit like that.


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[Assistant] So then I had to go back to prison for the first thing all over again. And then I got back shot twice. It was a year both times. Honestly, like I didn't go to school. I dropped out and I didn't go to college. I look at prison like it was like my life college. I learned how to conduct myself, how to move properly, how not to be a rascal no more, how to, you know, level up.


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[Assistant] I had, I got all the way back on when I came home and I just had like, I just started being like, alright, really going back and analyzing what I had did wrong to get me in trouble. I'm not gonna do those things no more. I still gotta survive, but I just gotta do it without doing some of the things I was doing wrong. I think it helped me like focus and group and then just.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was with a group though, a long ass time ago. Yeah, a group. Young Trills. I got this shit tattered right in the middle of my chest.


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[Assistant] Getting cancer, what does it feel like to have cancer? That shit really just kinda like, I remember when they told me, it was like, the doctor was like, you're not gonna remember none of this. And I was like,


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[Assistant] Went back and then I was better and then like I got it again and I went and did like chemo and surgery and all of that shit and then that one was like really bad and then after that they did all of that and then I got better. It was, at the beginning it was uh, it was testicular so I'm kinda like Tupac like I only got one ball and shit they had to cut one of mine off and shit.


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[Assistant] So I started buying gold from people at cheap, like I'll get it, like, it'll be worth it.


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[Assistant] Oh, Narco Wave. Yeah, the first project I dropped was Narco Wave 1.


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[Assistant] So outside of, outside of the area where I'm at, where it's actually real, it just started gaining like, you know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] So it just, it just kinda went from there, like, so the first, I didn't drop a song, I dropped a project. I had a video on it called The Order where we filmed it like right, like literally a hundred yards from the border, like the Rio Grande River. We was like on this ranch and we filmed it there.


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[Assistant] That shit was crazy. A lot of what I say in my songs is like, stuff that I've seen or done or experienced. But yeaah, there's a few times where I'm like, you know, this gon' happen. This might happen. And it's just kinda like, you know what I'm saying? I'm not like, not in a like, informative way for anyone else to know or like, a telling on someone.


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[Assistant] Having to walk up to people like that's just lame as hell. Like cause I already had money so I just always felt so like weird. So I just bossed up. I was like fuck walking up to people. I'm finna open a store, sell CDs and mine gon' be in there too. But that's what I did back in the day. We sold hella, hella, hella CDs. Like you can still find them in Texas. Like they be out there. Like people be like in my DMs like, yo you remember this? Remember that? Like we remember, you know what I'm saying? That type shit. I dropped Narco Wave and then I dropped


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[Assistant] All through Texas, now he does big shit for like Ariana Grande. Like he's number one on the charts for Ariana Grande right now. But like, me and Happy leaked up and did two projects. One of them was called Drophy and one of them was called No Borders.


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[Assistant] I just know everyone everywhere, really. Texas, California, Atlanta, New York, Louisiana. I moved to New York for a little bit. I had opened up for NarcoWave. We started doing merch. NarcoWave, like, we went and did a pop-up up in New York on the lower east side, right next to Frank's Chop Shop. So I was in New York for like a whole winter. I lived up there in, uh, in Brooklyn. Shout out Sunset Park in Brooklyn.


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[Assistant] And I was over there, me and my partner Fang and my partner Chris. We was out there. And then from there, I went back to the border and just kept making music. And then I came out here. I've been out here for four years. I've been in LA since, like...


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[Assistant] 2015? I predicted that but not on record. I predicted that but not on thing. I used to just tell people back home like, bruh, I'm gonna do a project with Sonny. I'm gonna do a project with Sonny. And niggas would be like, yea right. And then I just...


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[Assistant] But you can't find that one on the internet. You could find that one on live mixtapes or on audio mac, but that's it.


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[Assistant] But we call it the NarcoWave International Headquarters like when they ask us like for albums, cause like a lot of people record there and shit. So like when they ask us for credits on the tape, it's a NarcoWave International Headquarters.


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[Assistant] I think that that's really what's missing is that like people my age, a lot of my people my age, still in prison because of like shit that they put in play like the Reaganomics era and like all of the shit that they put into play like to take away all of the OG and that's what creates chaos when there's nobody to be like bruh.


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[Assistant] The best thing I can tell any artist that's trying to do something right now is to get some money.


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[Assistant] Like, get fucking money. Like, don't fake it till you make it.


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[Assistant] I would describe my music as like dark, like my music sounds best at night, I think, or early in the morning.


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[Assistant] For like motivational purposes in the morning or like at night. I would say it's like a dark, dark.


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[Assistant] My process in the studio is I record myself. Sonny and this dude named AK tell me how to record myself. I record myself. So usually I just be like around the house. I'm like, fuck, I need to, I feel like rapping right now. And I just got the best producers in the world. So I just start pulling up beats and then just go in. I punch in, like I punch in, like I just, I just punch in myself to record myself.


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[Assistant] Yeah, last night, last night we had Gleesh and Maddox and Sonny Digital.


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[Assistant] People sell drugs on the internet, fuckin' weirdos. They was up there. They was up there. There was some racks. Like, I probably spent, so far I spent like 20 bands. Maybe a little 20.


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[Assistant] It just came from, from the app, the idea to put the Apple in the Spotify logo was just from riding around seeing them do that shit for all these other niggas. Like, my shit on there too. Everybody's shit's on there. Apple hated though. Apple hated. Apple, uh, Apple like, Spotify left it up. Apple like made me take it down. I had to like take they shit off.


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[Assistant] I got some shit coming. Yeah, look out. We in talks with all kinds of labels right now. They're gonna give me a label deal. We gonna get a label. I'm about to start signing all kinds.


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[Assistant] I got a lot of stuff coming, you know what I'm saying? Just stay tuned, like it's time right now, so yeaah. That's what I feel like, who said it?


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[Assistant] Somebody just said that shit. It was like, everybody gets the time. You just have to make sure that when you get your time- I think it was like, Thug. I think Thug said that shit. It's like, everybody- you get a time, like, you just need to be prepared for your time. So I think that like, right now it's just like, a good equation to like-


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[Assistant] Nah, because these A&R's be watching my moves. These niggas be on my page. They be watching fake, from fake pages. They be move-bo. The industry crazy, so no. Shout out to A&R's that I do fuck with. They know who they are. No, I'm not gonna tell y'all who I got coming.


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[Assistant] I don't know. This shit is one, like, I can't, like, I don't like to not have it though, like, I haven't had not had a beard since I've had a beard except for when it fell out with cancer.


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[Assistant] My best friend Ashley, my brother, he's also been my barber my whole life and we was laughing at like my beard, like the color and shit.


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[Assistant] Like, I didn't like to, I wouldn't like to leave the house. Like, it just felt weird, like.


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[Assistant] I ain't worried about no girls right now. I'm worried about getting money. Girls are always there. I don't know. I bought my baby mama cars and shit. So cars. This whole rap shit, like this shit done cost me like a million dollars. Yeah, so probably here in my rap career.


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[Assistant] Stay tuned for that. We're doing a soundtrack, so stay tuned for that. Other than that, we're about to drop videos, getting ready for like, other videos to drop. And I got my next project dropping, Big Narco Vol. 2, Life of a Narco. Nakel's working on his next project. Our producers, we've been producing for everybody, Shy Glizzy. Right now, we've been in studio working with Maddox on his next project. Yo, Samuel, his next project. We're working on a lot of projects right now, so stay tuned for all of that. Hell yeaah. I mean, the legends, of course, like, whoever's a legend, like, feel free to like, hit me up in my DM and be like,


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[Assistant] I want to thank my mom, I want to thank my boy Fang. I want to thank my whole squad. I want to thank Young God and McCoy, Purple K. I want to thank the whole Narco gang and my brother Ashley and all of that.


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[Assistant] Centerpiece is low. It's annoying when flowers block the view.


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[Assistant] Hey, I don't know how this worked. I just want to say a couple of things before we get started. Get it off your chest. One thing serious, one thing semi-serious, semi-funny. First and foremost, Steve, you say this is the camera. Child support.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna go with Justin Muffley. Talk to one of my family members and one of the things that we talked about, as I grew up as a professional, the fan in me is dying, right? But I could go back to when I was a fan.


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[Assistant] It's like, people be asking me, what you think about this? I be like, oh, I don't know. It happens.


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[Assistant] I just wanna know if you gonna do what Tyvis said. Tyvis told you to bet the whole pot last game of the year.


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[Assistant] I mean, the only reason I got twisted is because of who put the list out. PFF put this list out, and to me, it contradicted everything that PFF put out throughout the season. Mike, can I get that last slide again, please? Yeah, that's a good point. I'm glad you went there.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. So for me, when I look at that last slide, Jay, Jason, there's only one player on that list I can say okay. And that's, that's Chris Alave. But check this out.


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[Assistant] Uh, Martin Emberson's PFF Greg last year was 72.5 which was 23rd amongst all the DBs. AJ Terrell 63.9 tied for 61st. Tariq Woollin 69.1 tied for 34th with Greg Newsome. Trayvon Diggs 67.6 tied for 42nd with Marcus Jones.


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[Assistant] All below Emerson. Here's the other crazy part. We all know Anthony Walker finished with a high PFF grade, but he played three games. Right. Of everybody who played qualifying amount of games, he was second on the Browns to Miles Garrett in overall PFF grade. So how can PFF, the same


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[Assistant] The same company, the same entity that released this list leave this man off the list after


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[Assistant] Based on PFF projections. Based on their own metric. On their own metric. He exceeded everybody that's above him. Yeah, it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense at all.


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[Assistant] I totally agree with all that. And I think for me, the fact that Jim Schwartz is an old school type of coach, you know, he was here with the original Browns and just everything that he's learned throughout his career, he knows how to keep football simple.


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[Assistant] He knows how to keep the language simple. He knows how to keep, okay, this is your job. This is what you're, this is what you're supposed to do. This is what you're supposed to do. Right. Instead of like just being too fancy, having guys out there overthinking. And when you overthink, you can't just instantly react to a play. And so I think everybody's going to be better this year as well.


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[Assistant] I think he, I think to me, MJ Emerson is getting slighted because he plays for the Browns. I really, I really feel that way.


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[Assistant] And just think about this, and we know this as fans, right? Anytime we put an expectation on a player or a team from Cleveland, they let us down.


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[Assistant] And so maybe PFF might look at this situation like, okay, well, you know, he plays for the Browns.


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[Assistant] I don't know if I want to touch that. I'm not really sure about this team. Uh, who knows, but.


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[Assistant] 15 past defenses last year, which was top 6 in the entire NFL, and the guys that's above him through 22-25, only one guy had more past defenses than he did. Wow.


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[Assistant] Again, just going off your own metrics, it was kind of a head-scratcher to why did you leave him off the list? And the only thing I could come up with, well, maybe it's cause he played with the Brawls because if you go off your own metrics,


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[Assistant] We talking, there it is, the communication. How many times did we come on this show on a Monday after a Sunday game talking about all the DBS pointing at each other saying, this is your fault, this is your fault. And again, the language was, the language and the assignments was just too complicated. And I felt like the fact that Joe Woods just kept over-complicating the defense.


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[Assistant] Unnecessarily, it created communication barriers.


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[Assistant] And clearly they had a hard time getting over them. They did. We talk about Denzel, Denzel to me is better than man. This is when this dude can-


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[Assistant] For me, I think the window is right now, and I think the only way that we can extend that window is if Deshaun Watson shows up and bores.


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[Assistant] That's just how I look at it. You talk about Miles Garrett being in the prime of his career. Nick Tubb is in the prime of his career. Denzel Ward is in the prime of his career. Your core four or five players are all in the prime of their career and they're all making a lot of money.


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[Assistant] You know, eventually we talk about it all the time. You can play with the salary cap and manipulate it as much as you want to, but eventually you're going to have to pay the piper. And if we end up... There is a reckoning.


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[Assistant] Yeah, eventually you're gonna have to. So if we come to a point to where we get another season, two or three seasons down the line, and the product is still the same, then we've kinda missed out on our opportunity to capitalize on the Super Bowl with all this talent.


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[Assistant] We see him make bonehead throws and plays at certain moments of the game. But when it's crunch time, when it's winning time and the Chiefs got the ball, everybody on this panel know he's going to drive down the field. He's going to get the Chiefs the points that they need necessary and they're going to come off victorious.


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[Assistant] He did, he spins out of it, boom, gets the first down, next play he throws the game with a touchdown. I've been a huge fan of Deshaun Watson since his Clemson day. He did that a lot at Clemson. And so for me, you know, and I really don't get these opportunities to talk about this, but when I seen him at Clemson, I think that was the same year we took, uh,


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[Assistant] Deshaun Kyler. And I remember telling my cousin, I said, I'm not tripping on that. Deshaun Watson is coming out next year. That's who we're going to draft. And I remember his coach calling him the Michael Jordan of football.


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[Assistant] I think Deshaun Watson is a damn good player, I think he's a clutch player, and I think he has elite potential.


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[Assistant] And if he can overcome his hurdles and get back to, he said he wants to be better than what he was in Houston. And so if he can fulfill his own personal goals and potential, then a bronze window is as open as anybody else's who has a quarterback of that caliber.


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[Assistant] I set false expectations for myself and I should have done better. When you're not doing your job for over 700 days and when you have everything going on that you had going on off the football field. That's a lot. That's a lot to come back to just from a professional standpoint.


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[Assistant] And I guess the only point I'm making to that is if that was that bad, we can only go butt up.


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[Assistant] He did his job. He hit the joker right here in David Drop ball. And I think he had one in Cincinnati, I think would have been a game tie in touchdown at Donovan people's zone and DPJ drop.


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[Assistant] I think that's a great comparison when I look at both of these teams. Bunch of talented players. Still question marks if it's a good team.


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[Assistant] You know, and sometimes just because you have a talented group, it doesn't always equal a good team.


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[Assistant] Hey man, uh, first off, it's nice to meet you. I think me and you might have met like once or twice in a beauty lot and past and I know you're good friends with Double A. Probably. It's nice to meet you. One of the things you said.


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[Assistant] Just be a leader and show up. And to follow up on that, me and McNuggets was talking about that this morning. I asked McNuggets, I said, the question that I will pose is, well, what does leadership look like to you? Because I think Nick Chubb is a leader, but he's not a vocal guy.


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[Assistant] And a guy like Myles Garrett, he comes out and he verbally says, you know, I'm one of the leaders of this team. And you know, I need to get the guys revved up. And I'll just say this before we get back to Hayden. My father used to tell me all the time, the extra mile don't have much traffic on it. And sometimes going that extra- That's a great line.


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[Assistant] That's a great line. Going that extra mile and doing the little things, the details.


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[Assistant] This is not just picking on Myles Garrett and this is not just pulling lines from different sports movies. This is us in our everyday life. You know, the getting up early, the staying late, the doing things that you're making little money to no money for.


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[Assistant] Everything that you can do to go the extra mile to prepare for long-term success. And not only that attitude is a reflection of leadership. Now that did come from a sports movie. Remember the Titans when you got all these new faces and you got all these rookies and Miles Garrett is supposed to be him.


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[Assistant] He's supposed to be that dude. I can see how the optics might look and how it might piss off some people that he wasn't there.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Hey, uh, Hayden, tell me about Cedric Tillman, man. I've seen, I've seen some videos of him out there. It looks like, uh, he might have a bigger role on it on this team than we expected at the time that he was drafted. How did he look? And just talk about what the people and what the players think about it.


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[Assistant] Hey, is there a player that we have not mentioned that we need to be on the lookout for that can make an impact?


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[Assistant] Uh, AJ Terrell, 63.9, which was tied for 61st. You got Tariq Woolin, 69.1, tied for 34th.


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[Assistant] You had Trayvon Diggs, 67.6, tied for 42nd. He had the second highest PFF grade of any Cleveland Browns defender, of course, Miles Garrett being first. His 15 past defenses was tied for 6th in the NFL. Of the guys that was, that made the list, only two of those guys was above him on that list.


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[Assistant] Jay, when I hear stuff like that, and I think all three of us can relate, I tend to look back over my own life, and I know how far I've come, I know some of the things I've done, and I've been allowed second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth chances, and it's so frustrating and heartbreaking to see kids


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[Assistant] That don't get that second chance or have things uh, like unfortunate happen to them and they don't deserve it. They have not lived life long enough to put themselves in position, you know, to make quote unquote mistakes that should be that consequential to them.


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[Assistant] Well, I'll shoot mine first and get it out the way because I'm not the biggest baseball guy. I'm a casual baseball guy. But I know enough to-


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[Assistant] To say no, they're not the biggest disappointment. The San Diego Padres are. The San Diego Padres spent a lot of money to build their roster to go compete for a World Series and they have gravely underperformed this season and it doesn't look like they're going to get any better.


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[Assistant] Now for me, I think personally, the Guardians are a disappointment because this goes back to what I've said before. It seems like every single time that I personally have an expectation,


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[Assistant] Getting to bat in here like Josh Bell. You know, being around you guys. I'm getting educated on the game. I'm getting educated on who's who and how they can fit in and mesh. Me and Mikey, I know our guys are. I'm an Oscar guy. He's a Will Brennan guy. They've underperformed. And so it's just personally, they've let me down, but I wouldn't say they're the biggest disappointment in baseball at all.


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[Assistant] I think Jason Tatum disappears too much. I think Jalen Brown disappears too much. We sit here, we use that term him a lot, right? Everybody will be on social media talking about Jason Tatum as him because he can go get 50.


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[Assistant] Everybody talk about Jalen Brown as him, and together, like, you know, they have this elite core. And I think we gotta be careful with classifying certain guys as him. I could tell you who is him, J. Jimmy Butler is him. Yup. Jokins is him. Giannis is him. Uh, LeBron is him. Don't tell us that. Steph Curry is him.


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? A lot of these guys like the Devin Bookers, the Donovan Mitchells, even though people don't want to admit it.


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[Assistant] The Jason Tatums, the Jalen Browns, they are very, very good players. Yeah, but it just seemed like, man, when, when you're that talented of a team and you're that inconsistent to me, it screams that you're not mentally focused and you're not mentally tough. And I can't trust you to win four games in a row knowing that those inconsistencies have shown.


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[Assistant] Let me just, just to both of you all's point, I think the next game this series is over, because of everything you just alluded to. I think that the Miami Heat is probably the best coached team in the NBA, and I think that Jimmy Butler is the right leader for this situation.


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[Assistant] To your point, everything has been tough for them all year. You know, everybody keep throwing out, well Miami's an AFC. Miami is not your normal AFC.


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[Assistant] This is a franchise that's an AFC with a legit superstar with a coach that has championship pedigree. This is not your normal AFC just coming at you. And so I think with all those being factors, I just don't see them.


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[Assistant] Oh, that boy be coming from back here with it like he be a car...


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[Assistant] Three in a row MVP, uh, winner. Go back to game one.


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[Assistant] Anthony Davis played lights out, I thought, right? And so they come, they're going into the half and Joker hits this crazy three and Anthony Davis just turns around and looks at him like, he literally hit him.


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[Assistant] So, you know, this is one of those situations, man, like that very great player. I've enjoyed watching him throughout the playoffs. We don't get to see Denver play much and I totally underestimated how good this team was, the chemistry with this team. They've been together for a while and so they've really earned.


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[Assistant] Are we talking NBA or overall basketball career? NBA. Okay, NBA. Cool. I'll give you that overall basketball career.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but he got three or four Olympic medals as well, uh.


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[Assistant] Listen, Niles Hillman is, is, is the, is the GOAT. You've, you've done a story on her. I have. Uh, one of the things I did when I first got a chance to be on 92.3 The Fast,


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[Assistant] Uh, she did. I've been watching her since she was in high school and I noticed that the more that I watched her, the more I fell in love with a woman's game. Right. Because they don't have these same resources as the men. I think that you get a more competitive game. I think that you get, uh,


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[Assistant] Raw play. If there's nothing that's no laziness to it, no anything like that, then you start watching the college war game and- Oh, the college game's addictive. Yea, like Anthony, no, me and McNuggets will sit upstairs and talk WNBA.


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[Assistant] King Griffey Jr. was my favorite player. Wow. So, I can say this, right? Cause I, it's me. And I know Bull was hesitant, right? I'm the only black man that can't dribble between his legs.


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[Assistant] Why would you refuse to park underneath? I just, just fell in love with parking outside, like being outside. I just didn't.


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[Assistant] Two-sport athlete, track and basketball, uh.


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[Assistant] Even better academically, she, I sent it in a group chat, she got selected to go to Yale.


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[Assistant] Yeaah man, it's Snowboy baby, something third. Coming at you right live, man. Cash Money West shit, man. You know, I'm outside with no jumper.


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[Assistant] Adam, Kim, what's going on man? Let's do it.


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[Assistant] I was off Pretty Ricky, man. Like in 06 at the house party, slow dancing and shit. Man, I was off The Plies. Man, we was off Webby and Boosie. Yeah, that was back in the, yeah. That's when it all started. It was some vital time, for real.


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[Assistant] But I made my first song. I'm great. But on my day one, I made a song. Boom, I made the hook. Took off from there. I went to jail.


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[Assistant] I went through a whole lot of bullshit up in there, man. You know what I'm saying? It was just some pain that I'll never forget. I'll never, ever forget that feeling of being, you know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] It's just everything. So I'd have had nothing else to go hard for. You know, I don't got no kids.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I start wearing them out after that. I ain't gonna lie to you. Cause see this, it's a freestyle. I dropped it with a video. You have to go listen to the song, I mean you have to go watch the video to listen to the song and I was just gasping.


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[Assistant] That's a four story, cuz at first I was gonna split it in three stories. And it was seven, each track, each tape was gonna be seven songs, equal to 21. But, you know, I got signed to Cash Money and that changed the whole...


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[Assistant] I'm like, you know, I can't. He already heard my voice. You know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] I'm like, hello, you like, hey, don't hang up, damn, don't hang up. Since you think I'm bullshitting, hold on, I got stuff on the line, I'm emerging. Click over, two seconds later, very man start popping fly shit.


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[Assistant] That shit is just, you lead the media in the media, man. I don't know. But yea man, I'm proud of him. I'm happy to see him doing this shit. It's my nigga though.


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[Assistant] The medium, that's, that's, uh, Pimp C. Man, that's what Wayne used to talk about. Nah, J. Wayne, that's what Wayne used to do. He was in love with the land. And I wanted to do what he was doing. Yep.


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[Assistant] The establishment protected itself, but not the citizens of our country.


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[Assistant] Their victories have not been your victories. Their triumphs have not been your triumphs.


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[Assistant] I love the old days. You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They'd be carried out on a stretcher, folks. I'd like to punch them in the face, I'll tell you. Ah, it's true.


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[Assistant] How am I doing? Okay, I'm president. Hey, I'm president! Can you believe it?


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[Assistant] They all said, please Mr. President, don't mention any names.


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[Assistant] And nobody wants me to talk about your senator, who's weak on borders, weak on crime. So I won't talk about him.


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[Assistant] No, I will not mention any names. Very presidential, isn't it? Very presidential.


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[Assistant] So it's really, I guess it's very simple when you think you haven't heard this expression, but we are making America great again. You haven't heard that.


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[Assistant] A very special guy and great friend of mine, Vice President Mike Pence.


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[Assistant] Well, if you guys get your gross mainlander bodies disinfected, I'll let you visit again.


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[Assistant] Students and teachers happen because of teachers taking their cell phones. And somebody said...


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[Assistant] Like a teacher should not be able to, uh, take their cell phones because a cell phone is a, is a necessity or a lifeline. Like you have personal information in there. You have your, your parents need to get a hold of you. It's basically phones are like, it's like somebody taking your wallet.


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[Assistant] If you were in high school, like, you just would hope.


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[Assistant] By the way, in, uh, in Japan, in other countries, Asian countries, they have their phones and it's no problem because it's just like,


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[Assistant] You're an adult. Like, okay, I got my phone. Like, we have phones now. I don't think you would take a call in the middle of the show. But if it was something that wasn't important enough. Well, we have. Yeah, we have. Hey, matter of fact, I talked to a bill collector on the show, right? I talked to my wife. Right? So, so that's kind of crazy how, you know, phones have evolved. And just think about it.


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[Assistant] You used to, if you, if you wanted to call somebody, it was a shot in the dark. You had to hope that they was at home at the right time and then they picked the phone up and then, like, or answering machines. That blows my mind.


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[Assistant] I would say about a month ago, I'd go back periodically and just get into the YouTube time machine just to like refresh myself on how good people used to be. Man, and Richard Jefferson, which you, you talked about him being a good media dude. Richard Jefferson says, hey, no disrespect to anybody doing it now.


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[Assistant] But Shaq was, Shaq was a problem. He's unstoppable. He said yo, go back and watch when he was playing against us in the Nets. He said Shaq was, there was nothing. Right, but the foul.


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[Assistant] Dundatta, Zero, Nothing Burger, Minimowski at the Minus, Bro, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Like, you talk about three of these dudes at Borderline Hall of Famers. You got Miles Garrett, Nick Chubb, Joe Botonio. I'm not worried about them in their least. Actually, to be truthful, they earned it. If I was Kevin Stephanie, I would come out and say, listen, you know what I told him? Uh, yeah, Coach, we're missing, uh, and Joku and...


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[Assistant] No, I told them to stay home. They deserve it. Uh, we got enough young guys that we need to take a look at. And, and you know what? We're going to get an opportunity to see some good defensive ends. There's a position for running back that's available. Jerome Ford, I like to see what you talking about. Hey,


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[Assistant] Listen, uh, DeWine Jones, we've got a lot of different Nick Harris. Man, let me see some of these new dudes. I don't even care if they'll come to the next one. Like, I know what they're going to bring to the table.


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[Assistant] I think, I think, I think one thing that we gotta understand too is he was coming off injury.


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[Assistant] He did get hurt in a Pro Bowl. He did, what, he dislocated his toe or something?


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[Assistant] Uhm, not to say that that's like a major injury or anything. I just, I just think for Miles Garrett, uhm, you know, this happens a lot. I kinda compare Miles Garrett a little bit, uhm, to guys like Wilt Chamberlain and even to a certain extent, uhm, LeBron James and that.


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[Assistant] They are so much physically gifted as far as his traits. Like, what he can do on the field. He, he's faster than everybody. He's bigger. He's stronger. He, he bangs in ways that nobody, a man that size should not be able to bend. And he got into a car accident.


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[Assistant] So the thing with Miles Garrett is, kind of going back to what I was saying, he's so, he's so good that sometimes you diminish.


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[Assistant] That may be. It may be. Like, people compare him to T.J. Watt, right? Yeah.


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[Assistant] As a pure pass rusher, skill for skill, pound for pound.


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[Assistant] It's not even close like that as far as physical traits. He's not, you might look at Michael Parsons, right? That's the closest I can say that's like in the same area. But even with Miles Garrett is he's bigger than Michael Parsons. And he moves the same way.


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[Assistant] Sometimes I think that when we look at those numbers and he put them numbers up so, so many times in a row, like he's giving you 12 to 17 every year.


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[Assistant] Think about how many other guys opposite him, right? Couldn't get to ten.


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[Assistant] Look how many people can't get to 10 or 9. Genevieve Clotty was the number one pick overall. He has some of the same physical gifts. To get 16 sacks is not easy. Now, if he wants to be known as the Aaron Donald and he's told us he wants to go to a new level, then


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[Assistant] It is, it is, it is not that much to, to ask for it and it is, it is relatively fair to say.


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[Assistant] If you want to be that, we need to see you in the tackles for loss. And I've been critical of that as well. What are you doing in the run game? Tackles for loss, different things like that. But sometimes I do think Miles Garrett gets a, we're a little more harder on him.


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[Assistant] Because, because he's that physically gifted and he's more physically gifted. And more is expected of him. Yea, right. So that's just, that's just what it is.


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[Assistant] What I do love is that Myles Garrett was not there and Zedaria Smith was very vocal.


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[Assistant] Listen, Dalvin, I had to go back in the time. I had to look, Mandy. That's what I, this is, Jason, you've said it. This is why when people talk about it and they say, you know, I got my Kool-Aid skits. I do, do, do knee jerk. My knees is out today. We might have to shake them a little bit today too. But pound for pound, let's not act like


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[Assistant] They don't have thoroughbreds up front. They have some nice pieces and parts up front.


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[Assistant] And I get excited as a defensive lineman because I'm seeing all of these skill sets, man. I had to go back and go look at Maurice Hurst from Michigan. Maurice Hurst at Michigan.


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[Assistant] Was dominant. And he was good with the Niners. He was good with the 49ers. So, you know, not saying all these guys are going to come in and be some sort of Aaron Donald clones, but the great thing about it is, yes, Miles Garrett wasn't there.


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[Assistant] But think about if Miles Garrett wasn't there and we had the same roster that we had last year, you'd be losing your mind. Like now you got all these guys, Oboe, I'm glad these guys are going to get an opportunity to show what they can really do. And I'm interested in seeing some of these, some of these, these guys and what they can bring to the table.


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[Assistant] And a strip sack against, uh, Josh Allen in the divisional round to seal the deal. And you ain't never got to show up. I'm, I'm, there's it.


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[Assistant] 13 is way too low, 61 tackles is low. He's gonna do better than that. That'd be a disappointment, those numbers. And by the way, they got other pass rushers, so you can go ahead and...


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[Assistant] Or because they stop you on second down that they have now more third and longs that you have to go for instead of being second and medium, right? Like you got guys up there stopping to run so they have to throw.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, 13 is, uh, that gets you pro bowl or something, but that's not what we looking for.


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[Assistant] I heard this story before. We hear it every year. Every single year, people tell you the mobile quarterbacks ain't gonna be right. This is the RG3 story.


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[Assistant] Uh, but here's the problem. When RG3 did the same thing,


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[Assistant] See, when you, when you have design runs and then you can do other things off of it, like play action, you get wide open looks. Like, if he wants to come out here and just sit back and go through his progressions,


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[Assistant] That's not his strong suit. No, no, no. Nah, he's a better thrower than RJ3. He's a better thrower, but it's hard sometimes. Like, like people, people when they hit you up with, yeah, I'm going to be a drop back quarterback. No, he can't be that.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Oh yeah, but listen, we ain't even got to the back up yet. Oboe, you ain't even got to him yet. This right, 11 and a half? With that 18 for Miles Garrett?


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[Assistant] Listen, we not even gonna use him like that, man. I was in a lab the other day. And I'm gonna give it up to him.


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[Assistant] Mike Petten. I was in the lab looking on the internet. Mike Petten did something.


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[Assistant] He had him in what was called the Rover position.


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[Assistant] And so, by the way, Schwartz, if you're listening to this, go ahead and implement it. Feel free. Because Zedarius Smith says, do you like, do you like to uh, rush in the middle? He says, I'm not going to tell you too much. I can't give everything away. But Mike Petten, for the Green Bay Packers, put him in a position called a rover.


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[Assistant] In the rover position, you line up anywhere you want.


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[Assistant] And you could take any gap you want. No responsibilities as far as contained. No responsibilities as for you need to line up at. And they put him in that position and he picks the guy and does whatever he wants and they make it right on the back end. He was, he was dominant. He would just pick out the center and be like,


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[Assistant] For him giving 8.5 sacks and only playing 70% of the snaps, I agree with what he was saying there in one respect. He has injury issues.


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[Assistant] That feels super low to me. G Bush, G Bush can fall on three, three sacks. I can jump on a pile real quick.


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[Assistant] You gotta understand, there, he will be in on all third downs. I, I got him with six to seven sacks.


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[Assistant] I like that seven range. I'm not going to get greedy. Eight saxes a lot. I got them at seven and a half sax.


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[Assistant] Seven and a half is respectable. You gotta think about it. They're gonna run a Greyhound package where you're gonna have Zedaria Smith, Miles Garrett. I think they'll stand up a lot. I think Oboe will be in that mix. Dalvin Tomlinson may be, or Maurice Hurst if he can get himself together.


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[Assistant] I believe that they're going to have multiple defensive ends on the field on third down and you can't run away from everybody. So he's going to get a lot of sacks just because you can't, you just can't run away from Miles Garrett and Zedaria Smith. What do you say, Jason?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was three. I'm with three. Uh, he not gonna get all that. Like, I'm not gonna have him looking crazy at seven sacks for a D-tackle.


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[Assistant] That was where I, but my knees was already shaking. Like I was really, I'm gonna be over there really doing the most with my knees.


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[Assistant] I am not, like, I can't, like, I, you know, Jordan Elliott is my, is my version of J.O.K. to, to De'Quel. Like, this guy, I mean, his great, he'd be in the 40s, the 30s, he's just not


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[Assistant] Higher than I thought. I can't believe they have.


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[Assistant] That's the half of that. Can you, can you, that's almost, hey, has somebody ever did something so egregious, even though they made up for it, you go back and be like, how, I can't believe you did that. The fact that they got Tabin Bryan and Jordan Elliott and Tommy Toghia was rotating them boys out there. Yes, Andrew Berry, you made up for your, your mistakes.


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[Assistant] But I'm still like, I'm looking at you side by side, like. Well, let's wait and see. Yeah. We think you made a paper. On paper.


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[Assistant] Point five. Uh, yeah, he don't, he's not going, he's only going to play first down like that. Like he might play short. Yeah, who knows how much he's going to play. Yeah. And plus one thing I did hear, um, when he, when he interviewed, he talked about


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[Assistant] It's just getting in better shape. Like that's one thing they gonna understand, like getting in better shape. Uhm, people don't know in college,


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[Assistant] Like every level you go, there's like people that are, that are better than you, but


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[Assistant] It takes more energy because you're trying to play hard every play. In college, if you're bigger than somebody and you're playing the whole game, you can take four or five plays off. Like, you just be like, I'm just going to be at my gap, just play.


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[Assistant] But when you trying to fight for a position and you trying to keep you really going at it with top of the food chain, you gotta be in shape. So he, he say you gotta get in a better shape. So we'll see how it goes. But that's, that's about right.


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[Assistant] 117 tackles? I can't. The Browns would be, the Browns would be, that's AFC Championship talk right there.


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[Assistant] He got a- I got no faith. Because he be doing a lot of stuff. I'mma say it's a little worse than that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I'ma give you that, but here's the thing. I think his sack numbers will go up because I think what you need to be using JOK is as they need to use him as a blitzer much more.


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[Assistant] Uhm, just for the simple fact that his speed, they need to be, he needs to be on quarterbacks like that. I think that Joe Woods did him a disservice of putting him in coverage.


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[Assistant] That's a lot of tackles. To be honest, I don't think he's gonna be on the field like that.


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[Assistant] I'll take that by the way. I'd sign for that. I'll take that from Anthony Walker. I'd sign for that. Yep. We're all neutral now. We're all in agreement. We'll move on.


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[Assistant] Two, three. Okay. All right. I'm going, I'm going neutral on Newsom. I'll go neutral if you want to say he gonna get two, three picks. But yeah, it's kind of, it's, he only missed the snaps.


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[Assistant] So, I mean, he only missed a snap, so I'd go push on the rest of it.


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[Assistant] Last year, they had him playing off coverage a lot, which I don't think that's his strong suit. Uhm, there's no way in hell he's playing that many snaps. He's gonna miss three games. He always does. He's gonna miss half of the, hamstrings is already coming. You know what it is. He's gonna have a hamstring issue in camp. Uh,


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[Assistant] I don't think he's gonna have no sack. If they gonna bring pressure, it'll be from Emberson or, or from the nickel guy. Three interception is I think...


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[Assistant] And especially if you talk about defense alignment and ramping up more pressure. Right. There's going to be more pressure, which means the quarterback's rushing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think people because Emerson is a third round pick and Newsom was a first round pick. It's kind of like, they've kind of still got them on the same, but they're not on the same level.


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[Assistant] That's why I was like, Newsome, if Newsome plays 89% of the snaps, that's about right.


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[Assistant] He got some good ball skills. Uh, I think he may have around 80, 80 tackles. Yeah. Give or take, give or take maybe a, you know, that half a sack. I, I, he's a DB, but he will play the majority of snaps. Um, and this looks good. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's pretty spot on.


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[Assistant] I see great delpa, I see great delpa with a sack and a half. Maybe two interceptions, but the tackles look spot on.


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[Assistant] Just seeing that, just running through those names, I'm not really concerned about the Browns defense.


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[Assistant] That's why they're doing it. And man, you know, some, sometimes it's all about the way you coach it up. Um, we, there was a coach, uh, and a team psychologist that you, that came in and sought to submit a guys and this is like, this is later on after my brother was playing and they talked about, um,


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[Assistant] Making sure that you are mentally prepared for certain things, like,


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[Assistant] If you are playing on Thursday night and you think it's gonna be a burden, it's gonna be terrible, like you're not gonna go out and play well. And there's a lot of teams that go out on Thursday night and don't play well because they, they don't embrace.


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[Assistant] What it is, like at the end of the day, you know, you're going to have to play on Thursday night and the coaching staff has to not put negative thoughts like, Hey, you know, this is sucks for us. We're going to have to, you know, we got a quick turnaround. People shouldn't even be saying that what they should be doing is trying to manage it and try to put stuff in on two tracks, whether that means.


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[Assistant] Hey, for the next three weeks, we're going to be preparing for our, our opponents, but we're also going to be putting in place for the Thursday night game in a couple of weeks. Yeah. Like, so we doing multiple things. Maybe, Hey guys, we're not going to be running you. We're not going to be doing certain things to keep you fresh, but you just have to manage a bit. Cause like Jason said, like it ain't going back. They not about to stop. So you just got to adjust.


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[Assistant] The rest of us want to watch good games. And that's why, after you said all that, I don't have no problem if a player says, if it's voluntary, I'm voluntarily not showing up for that.


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[Assistant] Because if you want to go to 18 games, I'm not going to give you, I'm not going to be no team captain. I'm not going to be, uh, I'm not going to be captain Kirk trying to save the world. I'm going to show up when you tell me to show up because you, that's


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[Assistant] Bull, you don't so crazy as you mention this, the NFL is brilliant.


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[Assistant] He was not a good 3-point shooter though. Hey, he's a streaky 3-point shooter. He can catch fire. Yeah, I like who's the luckiest.


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[Assistant] I don't even know if they can get him. Could they get him?


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[Assistant] For the first time, McNuggets, I've actually sat here and I'm feeling what it, what people get to that thing where they say, in the NBA, the worst thing to be is middling.


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[Assistant] And right now, it's smacking me dead in my face because the calves are just midlands. No, I don't think they are. I disagree with that. You think they're better than midlands?


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[Assistant] If you ask me in a year, you got Donovan Mitchell, it does not look like they're going to be able to keep him. That's just the reality.


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[Assistant] Now, if you have to lose Donovan Mitchell and you have to restart over with just Garland and Allen and Mobley, that's not good enough. They, they decided it wasn't good enough when they got, went out and got.


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[Assistant] Donovan Mitchell, cause if they thought it was good enough, they would have just kept their picks and said, Darius Garland's gonna be great, Mobley's gonna be a superstar, and we, we feel like we're good. But they had to make a decision, and they made a decision they might good enough.


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[Assistant] Find me some people, McNuggets. You guys, where the rest of these people at?


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I should know better. This goes to show you, McNuggets, you gotta develop within your organization. You gotta, you gotta hit, get lucky on somebody that you didn't think was good. And the Lakers, shout out to them. They got, I would love to have him.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I think today it hurts him when you don't have Tyler Hero or some of these other dudes. Well, Gabe Vincent's already not playing either. Go Gabe Vincent, he's officially out. And that's another dude. What the hell you find this dude at? They get all these guys.


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[Assistant] This is just like going to the store with your mom and she lets you go in but you say you can't ask for nothing. Yeaah, that's the worst. Don't ask for nothing.


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[Assistant] I'm down. I thought he played, I thought he played. Now, he didn't shoot the ball as well as he would have liked in the Denver series, but he looked great at times this year. I'd take him in a heartbeat, would not think twice about it.


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[Assistant] And I didn't know, I didn't know Jabaret averaged 26.6 and that.


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[Assistant] And I can't really cut him like that. I think the guy with the highest trade value, to be truthful, is, uh, Darius Garland. So what I'ma do is, I'ma trade Darius Garland. I'ma get me something back.


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[Assistant] I like Murray and what he's done in the playoffs, but he has come off injury.


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[Assistant] I would, I can't get my vibe, I would have to keep John Moran and swallow it. And, uh, I cut Murg.


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[Assistant] Yeah, reluctantly I would say pretty much the same.


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[Assistant] Could you not, I mean Bradley Bill, is he 30 yet? 31?


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, hit or run. I keep Edwards, trade, uh, Donovan, and I got a cut, what's it name? Eel. Eel.


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[Assistant] Come on. This is actually easy too. Go ahead. Let's see. I'm jumping the gun. You keep him Mowgli. Uh, listen, you trade Carl Anthony Towns and you cut Jared Jackson. I don't care if you block shots in Memphis, like, and Carl Anthony Towns is probably one of the worst superstars in the league.


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[Assistant] I think Jared Allen has way more trade value according to Jason than Miles Turner and I'm cutting Miles Turner.


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[Assistant] And he has the wor- I think he- don't he got the worst contract in the NBA? No. Is this- is he making more than bill?


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[Assistant] Jason Tatum is a, Jason Tatum is a defender. He's longer. He can do some of the same things as Booker. I'm keeping Tatum. I'm going to actually trade Booker and I'm cutting, uhm, old boy, uh, because he's 32. Yeah, I guess you're right.


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[Assistant] Siakam should have been, Siakam, like, like Siakam should have been the next dude up. When they won, Siakam was unguardable. Then he got hurt a little bit, then it's like...


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[Assistant] But here's what I'm gonna say. Now that they've unlocked, uh, Bam Adebayo's, uh, handles badge, uh, for $49.99 on your mother's credit card or NBA 2K, I'm going to use a Bam Adebayo as I'm keeping him, um, I'm going to...


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[Assistant] I can't believe I'm cutting siakam. I'll cut siakam and I'ma trade, uh, uh, oh boy. I'm with G Bush.


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[Assistant] I think they give them up. They got Scotty Barnes. They keep missing the playoffs.


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[Assistant] Hey, why, why, why is Thornhill trying to come into town and take stuff over? He just, he just kicking ass and taking games. He throwing out the first pitch, it'd be strikes. He called Adam Nabool out the first week he got here. He got a chain on right now and graffiti pants. This dude is outrageous. I love it.


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[Assistant] Jason, when they sent me in, I was looking at it.


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[Assistant] You didn't tell me about this. There was a time when Albert Bell played for the Orioles and somebody threw at him.


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[Assistant] You gotta go, man. You gotta go. He's like, I don't wanna go. People was confused, like, eh, eh, eh, like, you know how baseball got weird rules where it's like, okay, well somebody, can you look this up? Cause we haven't, can you, can you opt out of the first base walk? Or what was, no, no.


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[Assistant] I saw that when, right after that happened, I don't know why it popped up, but the Orioles back in the day had these black uniforms. I don't know what the heck they was, but you need to bring them back to Orioles. So, uh, G. Bush, let's go ahead and get to it. I gave Greg Newsome, I gave Greg Newsome the C, uh, at least it didn't dribble to the mound.


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[Assistant] The guy called it, I was going to give him a C minus.


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[Assistant] Uh, his wind-up was, was kinda strange, and I was with Bull a little bit. Like, I was wondering whether or not he thought this was T-ball, cause he was halfway to the pitcher's mound. I'm like, no, no, no, you gotta go to the rubber dog, so somebody must have told him in his earpiece. That's right. Back up a little bit. Thornhills, like I said, A- bro.


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[Assistant] Listen, he threw a nice pitch. He came out there with some attire. Like, I told you, Juan, that Juan, he's out here doing his thing. Uhm, and Barstool even picked it up. Ah! How fast do you think that was going? About 70? 62? It's hard to tell.


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[Assistant] They just don't, they can't, when you can't hit like that, it's crazy, like. It's hard to watch. They're hard to watch. There's nothing to see, like, there's not hard hit balls, there's not, there's not, you know, a lot of different things. And like you said, I liked what Jason just, just spoke to earlier. He said.


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[Assistant] You gotta be doing something. These guys is not gonna be nowhere in the mix. And there's only gonna be one team from the central and they're not gonna make no noise.


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[Assistant] And if they are not going to go get proven players.


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[Assistant] All the young dudes should be playing. I wanna see Arias, I don't wanna see Rosario no more. And Tyler Freeman, let's see him play. Can I see him? And you moved Kwan to center field, and you, listen, Gonzalez, you gonna figure it out up here. Go over there right field. He's not even playing well.


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[Assistant] Well, here's the thing, there's a lot of, I would rather have, if I had no strong head hit, and I know Gonzalez is struggling at this point, but at least I can put Will Brennan and get them some of my bats every day. If Brennan can get that bat at this point.


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[Assistant] We thought that you was gonna steal these bases and you was gonna play this small ball and bunt people over. You can't do that if you don't get on base, you're not getting on base. You ain't on base and not hitting the ball hard and you cannot win.


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[Assistant] When you, you're not, the three run home run is, is, is the great equalizer. Can you imagine in basketball if you just took mid-range jumpers and shot no threes? You'd get blown out.


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[Assistant] But they don't even have traditional power positions.


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[Assistant] Agreed. That's the thing. You know what's intoxicating?


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[Assistant] Unbridled future. When you got it, when you look over the horizon and you see, oh, we could be this. We can have, like, look at all this potential. Let potential get you fired, bro. Like, if you, if these guys don't do nothing. And slowly but surely, we talk about it all the time.


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[Assistant] Jose Ramirez is getting older and older and older.


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[Assistant] I, but here's what I'm saying. We talk about it with the Browns all the time. We're wasting Miles Garrix' prime. We're wasting Nick Chubb's prime. Obviously Jose Ramirez has been a great player for the, for the Guardians for a lot of years. We take for granted that he's going to be at this level forever.


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[Assistant] But are, are they really putting emphasis on, organizational emphasis on, we want to develop hitters. That's what we're going to do. We've been lacking. We found good defensive players. We found guys that hustle. We found guys that are pitchers. We found pitchers galore.


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[Assistant] Gee, Merry Christmas. Hey, be thankful. Thankful.


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[Assistant] It is a Tuesday on the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. Jason in today. Gene Bush is back today. How you doing guys? What's up? Fantastic. You doing good? Fantastic. A little tired, stayed up late, watched a game. Woke up Jay Crawford. Woke up Jay Crawford. And his entire family.


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[Assistant] That's true. So he didn't do anything. So he was swept. That's a great point. By the way, Ty-


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[Assistant] But, uh, this morning I get up and I thought it was obvious that I was being sarcastic when I said, oh, we got to take LeBron and MJ off Mount Rushmore. And I poked fun at both Tyvis and Earl by saying we replaced them with Donovan Mitchell and Iannis.


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[Assistant] Either nobody cared about what I said, which is fine, or I think Tyvis didn't even realize I was being sarcastic. Right, like he was like yeaah. Cause he responded like yeaah.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, because Janus is not often involved in these group chats.


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[Assistant] And with the Browns. But with the basketball conversations, he's less active in those conversations.


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[Assistant] Uh, and one of the things, one of the many things I love about Tom Hamilton is that unlike most home team announcers,


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[Assistant] He gives you some energy when the other team makes a good play. Yeaah. And he also is not afraid to say, yeaah, that bad call went in our favor. Oh, and he'll go after guys. Oh yeaah. On the guardians he'll go after guys. Absolutely. Way too often the home team announcers, if it's a bad ball or strike,


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[Assistant] In favor of your team, they don't say anything. Good call. If it's against your team, oh my god, how'd they miss that?


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[Assistant] I know, which I like. I like that he calls it that way. And cause, cause, uh, I was driving home last night from my son's baseball, uh, um, practice. And so I'm listening to the end of the game on the radio.


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[Assistant] And he called, and I guess Romy Gonzalez made a great play, it was at the ninth, uh, the bottom of the eighth.


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[Assistant] I never actually saw the play cause I was listening to him on the radio. But he did, he went nuts. He was like, this is one of the greatest plays you'll ever see. And I'm like, my God, wow.


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[Assistant] Yeah, not great timing for that article. I mean, that was his first extra base hit, like a month, maybe more. So we'll get to that. Uhm, your old high school teammate who is now the coach of your high school team. Yeah, yeah. Is joining us as well today.


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[Assistant] And that's where you were yesterday. Yep. And you spoke to Bernie and, uh, who else did you?


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[Assistant] About Jim Brown. We'll get to that later. We'll get to the NBA Finals later. We're gonna get to the, uh, actually to the Browns and some, uh, offensive projections from fantasy guru Mike Clay. But first we gotta get to the best bet there, Mikey.


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[Assistant] So last week was my first bad week with baseball. I did not do great last week, but we start off this week well with the win yesterday. What is my baseball record on the season, Mike?


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[Assistant] Or over 60% win percentage. Alright, I didn't like any of the games in terms of win-loss today, so I'm going with it over under Cardinals and Reds tonight.


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[Assistant] You got two pitchers going in this game who are, have been awful, including Adam Wainwright, who's done. This is his last year in the big leagues. He's been awful since coming off the injured list. I'm Jordan Blanco, who's starting for the Reds tonight. I can't think of it off the top of my head. Graham Ashcraft. Yeaah, he's been terrible too. Ashcraft? Ashcraft.


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[Assistant] Well, they thought he was going to retire last year and decided he should have retired. He's looked awful. Now, he did miss the first four or five weeks of the season, so maybe he just got a round of the form. I thought they was going to give him that udon as has some contract for the Cardinals. They might. Just you play the card forever. That's it. But he's been terrible. The Cardinals offensively at last couple of weeks have gotten hot.


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[Assistant] And so have the Reds offensively. So I look at this as a big high-scoring game.


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[Assistant] Maybe an 8-7 final, so over 10 for the fifth, for a ton of runs tonight.


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[Assistant] So there you go. One other thing on baseball, you mentioned Zanino's home run.


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[Assistant] The one positive here, you know, besides the fact that the division's so bad that the Guardians stay in there.


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[Assistant] Even with the Zanina homerun, I think Bo Nailer needs to be here.


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[Assistant] Jason, do you agree and do you, and do you think he will be soon? I know he was here for the double-header on Sunday. Yeaah. Or in New York.


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[Assistant] And you cut him, if that's what you do. You keep Gallagher, because he's a backup catcher.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's time to go. I mean, unless he gets, I understand if he gets red hot, they may change their mind, but Nail is a top prospect. He's kicking ass in the minors. It's time for him to get a shot.


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[Assistant] Not at all, but, and, uh, not just for, oh, uhm, oh my god, Hunter Gaddis from Pitch Last Night. He did a great job. Yea, he did. He did a fine, and for what?


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[Assistant] But for one night he did a good job. But for one night he was fine. And Logan Allen will pitch today. Alright, more on that later. Mike, let's go to you to talk about another Mike. Mike Clay, who's with ESPN.


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[Assistant] He's a fantasy football guy, but he's a really good fantasy football guy who, every year, like a lot of fantasy football guys, projects the statistics of players. He uses it for fantasy, we're going to use it for something else.


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[Assistant] Are y'all ready? Now, there he referenced the defense. We're only doing offense today. We're going to do defense Thursday? I believe Thursday. Yes. Okay, good. I'll be back Thursday. We also have keep cut trading.


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[Assistant] Now, we're not answering w or not. We're answering w those stats are within a w


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[Assistant] I would think if one is way off and the other five are pretty good, I'd go with the happy face. So I'm gonna go with the happy face.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I, I think the yardage is a lot lower, is not a lot lower. Uh, it, the yardage is lower than my bottom expectation. Yes. The rest of the numbers are, I mean the rushing stuff is fine. The interceptions are reasonable. I think the completion percentage will be around there.


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[Assistant] I think the touchdowns are on the lower end of what I think he might do, but I would put it still in there. I think 35 and 36 touchdowns is too much to ask. I'm expecting like 30, 31 touchdowns, maybe 32.


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[Assistant] Uh, if, if he had another 400, 500 yards. Now, I, we want, we want more than that, but there you go. Remember also, as much as we expect from him, I think he'll get better as the season goes. So, maybe you're only, yeaah.


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[Assistant] And compared to how he played last year, this would be very good compared to that, but it's not, it's not as good as you'd like, you know, you'd ultimately like it.


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[Assistant] I think it would be, I do think that would be back end top 10 quarterback.


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[Assistant] I think it would be somewhere between 8 and 12. And I think you could, I think with those numbers, you know, if the defense is a lot better and they're still running the ball well, yes, I think they could be the 6 or 7 seed in the playoffs. It's not division winning. You're not winning the division with those stats. No. But could you be the 6 or 7, could you be a wild card with those stats if the rest of the team is good? Yes.


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[Assistant] So basically he's got 5,000 yards between Watson and Chubb.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I, right, okay, so that'll be some in terms of his rushing yards. I'm guessing it's not that much, but.


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[Assistant] 12 on the ground, yeaah. He's got him with 10 touchdowns.


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[Assistant] I mean, I think it's reasonable on its own, because I'm going to judge it on its own.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm judging on its own. I think it's reasonable. I think the, I think the rushing yards and the touchdowns are a little


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[Assistant] On the, I would say on the low end of my expectations for chub, but they're within reason.


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[Assistant] But it's not crazy to think he would finish the year with 10 total touchdowns. That's not crazy. I expect a few more, but...


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah. Well not if they're winning. Not if they're winning and scoring a lot of points. I'm looking for his carries last year. How many, has he ever had, would 272 yards receiving be a career high for him or no?


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[Assistant] And what did, what did you average last year?


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[Assistant] Yeaah. I don't think he's going to carry the ball less this year because even though I think they're going to throw more, I don't think Jerome Ford will get as many touches as Kareem Hunt got.


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[Assistant] Because Ford will carry as much as Hunt or because they'll just throw so much more.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I would think you want closer to 5,500 yards between Watson and Shaw. Yes, I agree. Well, actually, it is 5,500 including Watson's rushing yards. So you want close to 6,000 between the two of them. Yes. Anyway, go ahead.


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[Assistant] I, I don't expect your own Ford. I think it's high. I think it's high. I don't, I, 110 carries. I, I don't see that hat. What did Nick, what did Creamon have last year? I was just looking for that.


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[Assistant] He had 123 last year. Yeaah, I don't expect, I mean, I know, listen, Stefanski likes to use more than one back. He basically, he basically,


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[Assistant] That's true. I mean, if, if, if Chubb missed some games, then for-


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[Assistant] Uh, what did he have last year? Like 1200, right? Yes. This is true.


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[Assistant] I know they've, they've got more depth of talent now. I still expect his...


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[Assistant] I'd be very surprised if he's under a thousand yards. So I'm going to say angry face. The touchdown, I mean the touchdowns are right where I expect him to be. I expect him to be


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[Assistant] About a thousand, about eleven hundred yards. Receiving. I'm about you guys.


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[Assistant] I think that's right on the money. I think that's on the money. So you down on DPJ? Yea, I think Elijah Moore, I think he, I could see him ending up fourth.


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[Assistant] I think this is low. Super low. I think it's in the lower end of reasonable. I'm expecting him to have like 750 yards. Can you go back? Can you go back to DBJ? He's got him less than DBJ. He got him. He got him. Oh yeaah. Nah, I'm with you. You're right. I'm changing my mind.


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[Assistant] You're right. I do, I think Elijah Moore's gonna be, gonna be better. I think he's gonna have 750 to 800 yards.


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[Assistant] I mean, you know, he's the fifth, he's gonna be the fifth or sixth option, so. I think Cedric Tillman, I think they're gonna let DPJ walk after this year.


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[Assistant] Yes. And then Cedric Tillman. DPJ and Amari Cooper could both be gone after this year.


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[Assistant] And then Cedric Tillman becomes a starter. I think he'll be a, hopefully be a more of a factor next year, maybe David Bell as well. But for now, Cedric Tillman, I, I mean, I can't see him doing much more than this.


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[Assistant] Yeah. 186 receiving yards and a touchdown. I guess that's it. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Hey, listen, it's hard to, I mean, even if he doesn't catch a pass.


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[Assistant] About like, how nobody goes to Kmart, and even when you go into a Kmart, it always looks like it's about to close, even though it's open 24 hours.


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[Assistant] I think he's going to do better, but I think this is within reason. I mean, the touchdowns, you know, I'm expecting like 650, 700 yards for David Njoka this year. I think it's close enough. I think he'll be a little better than this, but around these numbers.


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[Assistant] If David Joko has a thousand yards, then Brown's having a hell of a season.


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[Assistant] The Texans had nobody. They had one receiver. They had no running backs. The Browns got way more talent at the skill positions than the Texans did. They ain't throwing a friggin' Jordan Akins. They better not. Deshaun, listen to me my friend. Don't be wasting no touchdowns to Jordan Akins. I need those to David DeJoco fantasy touchdowns.


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[Assistant] So he's been coaching at Ural High School for three years. Were you guys the same year? Yes.


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[Assistant] It's amazing now, like wi These kids are practicing


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[Assistant] Antonio, it seems like, I mean high school football, uh, how do you find out, like, other parts of the country?


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[Assistant] It must take so much work to find out who's deserving. You know, it's not like professional football or even college where you can get everything online. With high school, especially in small schools throughout, if it's a whole national hall of fame, like how much work is it to find out who belongs in there?


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[Assistant] Tony, I'm curious, in terms of, we were just talking about this briefly when we lost you there for a sec.


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[Assistant] The commitment that kids have to have for high school football.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's more than any other sport. My buddy, his son plays offensive line and I can't remember the name of the school, but it's in Pennsylvania where obviously they take football very seriously like we do here in Ohio. And he's like, yeah, a kid can't even work a summer job because he's like doing three a days.


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[Assistant] I didn't realize it was that much. I mean this is some serious commitment for kids to play high school football, right?


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[Assistant] Alright, got it. Go Bulldogs. There you go. Go Parks. Yes sir. Big year. Mikey, what do you got for us?


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[Assistant] Well, obviously you guys weren't here yesterday. We spent, you know, three quarters of the show talking about Jim Brown and his legacy. I know you talked a little bit with Bernie and Mike Doss about it yesterday, but obviously wanted to give both of you guys a few minutes to comment on the passing of Jim Brown.


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[Assistant] You know what's funny about that is because Leroy was on with us yesterday and he made, and he was pretty friends, pretty good friends with Jim Brown. He was telling us how he played golf with him all the time. It would be him, Jim.


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[Assistant] And Lawrence Taylor, and one other guy. I don't think he said who the other person was, but anyway.


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[Assistant] Leroy made the point of saying, if you wanted a straight answer, if you wanted the truth,


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[Assistant] That you could ask Jim Brown anything, he'll tell you the truth. But if you're sensitive and can't handle it, it's to the point of what you just said. Jim Brown's the wrong person to ask a question to. And I respect that, I love someone who's willing to give you the honest answer. No matter how tough it is.


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[Assistant] I'd love to see the 32 on the helmet on the field.


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[Assistant] By the way, yesterday we talked about him in the Dirty Dozen because I loved that movie.


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[Assistant] That's, I gotta watch it now. The scene would, well, I don't wanna give it away. Give it away. Spoil it. It's 60 years old. You gotta watch it. It holds up. I've watched it in recent years. It still holds up.


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[Assistant] I think we gotta blow off that Cavs topic today, right?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I wanna get a couple minutes on The Guardians before Tom Hamilton, but I gotta, there's one, there's this pet peeve that's been bothering me that I gotta share. Shoot. And I wanna know if you guys agree with me. I hate...


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[Assistant] When I go, like today it happened, I went through a drive through. Okay.


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[Assistant] And my food was whatever it was. And they're like...


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[Assistant] Do you wanna, uh, raise it up to, uh, round up to, uh, ten dollars to, uh, give money to kids for school? Like, how am I supposed to say no to that? Oh, I say no.


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[Assistant] Them selling them boy scout cookies or girl scout cookies in front of the supermarket. I ain't buying that crap.


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[Assistant] Why not? Cause I'll buy it for people I know, like family and friends. I'm not buying it for some random stranger.


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[Assistant] They do, they do. Plus I'm anti-boy scouts anyway.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we did a little bit earlier. My biggest point was what we referenced earlier was that I, I know Mike Zanino hit a home run yesterday, but to me, he's shot as a ball player. You hoped he'd be an upgraded catcher. Somehow he's not been. I mean, Austin Hedges thinks too.


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[Assistant] By the way, he's still playing every day for Pittsburgh pretty much.


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[Assistant] He's no good. And bone nailers time is now. I don't know why they're continuing to wait.


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[Assistant] Why is it got the shady stuff on the side there? What is with that?


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[Assistant] Hey Tom, uh, last night, one of the many things I love about your broadcast style, I'm listening to the end of the game with you, I was driving home, listening to the game, and I feel like way too many hometown announcers, if there's a bad ball strike call in favor of their team, never admit that.


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[Assistant] And in the bottom of the 8th, I can't remember now if it was Rosario or Ramirez.


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[Assistant] That Santos threw a pitch, and he thought it was strike three, and you, and you said, yeaah, they missed a call. I feel like so many hometown announcers won't do that, and I really appreciate your honesty, because I think that's what announcers should do, and I love that you do that.


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[Assistant] I'm curious, uh, with the new rules this year, I know as a fan, I enjoy the speed of the game.


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[Assistant] As a broadcaster who's been calling games for a long time, how much of an adjustment has it been for you because the pace is quicker? How tough has that been, if at all?


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[Assistant] Tom, where, where the, the lineup and the bullpen have struggled, the rotation seems to be really settling in right now. Bybee's been very good. Logan Allen's been very good. We know Bieber hasn't been at his best this year, but he's coming off a good start against the Mets. We know he's not going anywhere at the moment.


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[Assistant] We know quantral's in the rotation. That's for certain spots, okay?


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[Assistant] And we got, uh, uh, Mackenzie and Savalli both getting close to coming back. And Gavin Williams is just dominating in the minors. It's a good problem to have.


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[Assistant] What is your, what do you think by the time we, assuming guys are healthy, and it probably won't be because somebody else will get hurt or whatever, but assuming that all these guys stay healthy at this point.


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[Assistant] What's your best guess as to what this rotation looks like second half of the season?


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[Assistant] And Tom, you mentioned, in fact, it reminded me of what Jason was saying this, because on the broadcast last night, you made the point of saying how his strikeouts are way down this year.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I think they need to get a power hitting right fielder. And frankly, a platoon partner for Naylor, because I just don't want him playing against lefties. That can, you know, hit some home runs against lefties. We'll see. Last thing, Tom.


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[Assistant] The, obviously, not just the American League Central, both central divisions are absolutely atrocious. But specifically on the American League Central, is this as bad as you've seen it? Because I mean, it feels like the Guardians have lost every night for the last month and yet they're three games out of first. I mean, I don't think anybody's that good in this division.


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[Assistant] It's come out smooth. He's so good to listen to on the radio. I love being in the car and throwing it on. It's just, uhm, anyway. Go ahead, Mike.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I've been locked into these series, guys, but I was like, it's 3-0, I'm tired, I'm not staying up for it. They're both over. So, but I know it was a close game, uh, and, you know, LeBron had a chance at the end, but I'm curious for your take. Did you watch it, 2G? No. Okay. So I'm curious for your take, Jason. It's done.


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[Assistant] LeBron had a magnificent first half. He looked like vintage LeBron for 24 minutes. And then he ran out of gas the second half. Is this the beginning? Was this series the beginning of the end, finally, for LeBron?


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[Assistant] We'll get to that, we'll get to the heat in a sec. I just wanna say this, cause when I first say this, you're gonna all think I'm crazy. But in a way, maybe you won't think I'm crazy, I don't know.


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[Assistant] In a way, Jokic is a lot like LeBron.


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[Assistant] In a lot of ways he's nothing like LeBron. Okay. But in this one way, I'm waiting for this. Is he can dominate a game without necessarily scoring a million points.


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[Assistant] Like, he is such a good passer, just like LeBron, right? He gets all these rebounds, like he's always in the right place at the right time. Uh, he's a special player, but he looks weird, in a way.


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[Assistant] And so we don't, like, but he belongs in the conversation with, with certainly the greats now. And if they win this title, which I think they will, do you think they will?


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[Assistant] But Jimmy Butler has been magnificent in the playoffs. And, uh, what's his name? Grant Williams is, uh,


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[Assistant] Well, that's a fascinating question, but would they have had the same players? Cause LeBron, let's be fair, as much as we love LeBron, he ain't patient for developing players.


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[Assistant] Was he undrafted also? No, he was a lottery pick. He's lottery. Oh, okay. He's so good. He's good. He's really good. He's fun to watch.


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[Assistant] Is this going to be a sweep or a gentleman sweep? Oh no, it's a sweep. Get up out of here. It's a sweep. Peace. And then there's going to be what? Nine days until the finals?


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[Assistant] I can't believe I can't think of his name. I'm losing my mind. What's his name? Who covers basketball for ESPN? Your buddy. Winnhurst? Winnhurst. I just couldn't think of his name. I forgot his name for a second. He's very forgettable. This has nothing to do with... Kidding, Brian. No, he's awesome. But he was talking about Kyrie, and I just had to bring this up for a second. Because he's like,


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[Assistant] Kyrie showed up at the Laker game, which I didn't even realize. Because Kyrie wants some competition for this max contract. I don't, Jason, I don't understand this.


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[Assistant] And he's always hurt. Why on earth would any team, I know he's talented, but it's irrelevant. He's won nothing without LeBron. He's done nothing without LeBron. Why on earth would any team give him a max contract?


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[Assistant] I don't know. HD is not the same player. Lebron showing sign of age. Kyrie never stays healthy. Ever.


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[Assistant] I just feel like at this point, he's, there's more negative than positive when it comes to Kyrie. Sometimes, sometimes in life, you gotta go down in a negative road. I would never, I wouldn't sign him for the, I wouldn't sign him for the league minimum.


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[Assistant] Honestly, LeBron should just sit the whole season.


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[Assistant] If you did get, if they did get Kyrie, I would play...


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[Assistant] I would play Kyrie for like 50 games, I'd play AD for like 40-50 games, and I'd play LeBron for like 20 games. They'd still make the playoffs, and then they'd be relatively healthy going in. But what are the odds that LeBron, Kyrie, and AD will all stay healthy for a playoff game?


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[Assistant] Kyrie is the biggest disappointment in the history of the NBA.


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[Assistant] Charlottesville was shocking at the time, but actually the template for much that followed. He understood that there were no practical limits or constraints, uh, except for norms that he was willing to violate, except for, uh, public opprobrium which he didn't care about.


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[Assistant] Their bottom line was, give us what we want. The tax cuts were what they wanted.


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[Assistant] The judges were what they wanted. And I think Donald Trump thought, this is a good deal for me. In return, I get ownership, lock, stock and barrel of the Republican party.


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[Assistant] Over and over again, that speech has echoed in my head over the last couple months.


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[Assistant] He said by letting Donald Trump off, you are enabling his attack on our election.


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[Assistant] In the middle of it, he sends out a tweet attacking Mike Pence.


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[Assistant] Conspiracy theory is a theory. It's an attempt to explain an event. And it says that things are not as they seem. And you explain it by picking up the dots, forming a pattern.


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[Assistant] And showing that that pattern indicates malignant intent by powerful people acting covertly.


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[Assistant] He sells, you know, potency pills. He's into virility and he sells body armor and gold and other things.


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[Assistant] It lives by sheer assertion, no evidence, no argument.


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[Assistant] He said, I have so much admiration for you. You have such an audience. I mean, this is what Chump cared about. You have such, you have such influence. We're going to be talking a lot. I'm going to be relying on you.


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[Assistant] He was the more, but it was really a portrait of her as a woman who would do anything. Anything.


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[Assistant] Whether it returns to the fringes or not will depend on whether people in office can resist using it.


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[Assistant] It's still hot, bro. McDonald's, y'all gotta do better, bro. I remember the old case. Everybody heard the urban legend about the lady that spilled the coffee and sued McDonald's because it was way too hot.


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[Assistant] You know, Jan has been on vacation for weeks now, so it's good to see you. That's fine. We'll get into that later on. We will get into that.


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[Assistant] Actually, I want to congratulate you on bringing another life into the world. You gave birth to a brand new dog.


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[Assistant] No, I don't even, I don't know where these squares is.


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[Assistant] Man, let me tell you, I went to the crib, you know what I'm saying? I'm trying to mess with these houses, these floors, and these cats be giving me all kind of hell. They be charging me out the wazoo, bro. I'm just out here poor. So guess what? I went to the crib yesterday.


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[Assistant] I got me some not chicken ramen, some beef ramen. But I put, I put the beef ramen on the stove top. It wasn't microwaved. It was on the hot pot. And then what I did to spice it up.


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[Assistant] I put on top of the seasoning packet. I had me some crushed up chilies. So I had the crushed up chili. It was a spicy beef ramen. It was like a hibachi type beer.


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[Assistant] Man, I want every Cleveland Brown, I want every Cleveland Brown to tap in real quick, man. Uhm, right now man, y'all catch this, is, ain't y'all tired of this? Like,


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[Assistant] Y'all cats be getting disrespected at an all time level.


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[Assistant] And for once, I would like y'all to go out and play with some sort of chip on your shoulder.


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[Assistant] And attitude. Because they treat y'all like a bunch of nice dudes that don't matter and for the most part I can't fault them for it. But y'all got so many dudes and playmakers on this roster and they consistently


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[Assistant] Give you this backhanded, disrespectful, oh, it's just a Brown's talk. Like, when is y'all gonna get ready to go out and dominate people? And then say, yeah, we dominated them and we don't like them. When are we gonna get to a point


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[Assistant] Where y'all can actually talk to other people in their division and be like, listen, the Bengals is cool, but we don't, we don't fear the Bengals or the Ravens, and we definitely don't even like the Steelers. The fact that they got the Detroit Lions higher than y'all as far as talent, the fact that the Steelers is even remotely, even close in terms of talent rated higher than them, and the Seattle Seahawks?


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[Assistant] At this, at the end of the day, I like some of these teams, but when you look at it, nobody can boast this.


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[Assistant] We arguably got the number one pass rusher. We arguably got the number one running back. You talk about it, we got a top five offensive line.


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[Assistant] You upgraded your receivers and you got more, you already had a Mario Cooper. Your secondary is nice. You got, you got dudes in there in his secondary that are one championships. You got guy, the leading tackle on the team was your safety and he's coming back.


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[Assistant] And, not to mention, you've got a Zedarius Smith, who's now gives you probably the best tandem in terms of pass rushers.


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[Assistant] They disrespect y'all and they do it because they feel they can get that off. I want y'all to look at this stuff and come out this year and be like, look.


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[Assistant] We not bout to be nobody's doormats because we tired of hearing this noise and jargon and stuff like that. It's a disrespectful spot to be 14, especially behind the segalers with their no-name quarterback. That's terrible.


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[Assistant] If they got, they played in a way that they call the Browns a dirty team. I wouldn't mind that either. I would say thank you. It's about time. I like, I want like, I don't like, I don't want people comfortable. I don't want opposing to, I don't want people's children comfortable coming to the stadium.


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[Assistant] If you see the Browns on the schedule, you say, no, we're going to go to the Steelers. We'll go to the Steelers game because we're not going to show up in Cleveland Stadium like that because you know what is going to happen.