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[Assistant] And some of the other guys they got there, you start to go, okay, T Higgins at the start of the second round, things like that. I mean, I think Joe Burrow, they can be an exciting team.


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[Assistant] Uh, I think that yes, they could also be exciting because they do have some turnovers and they're young and they're learning and everything like that, but I think I'm more excited.


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[Assistant] Uh, about what I, what we might see from Cincinnati this year rather than, you know, being scared. Uh, there's more excitement this year. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Man, this, this hurt me. This, you know it hurt me, but OBJ is at number six right now. You know, I know.


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[Assistant] He is my guy. I think he can respect that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, he hasn't been totally healthy himself the last few years.


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[Assistant] is hitting on all cylinders and if he can get back to that, come on. No doubt he's one of the two or three best receivers in football, but his type of injuries and the fact that he relies on his explosiveness so much


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[Assistant] And he's not a big guy, so he's not gonna be able to just be like, oh, throw me jump balls the rest of my career. I guess that does scare me a little bit.


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[Assistant] You know, and I know he had, you know, spore ternia, the hip, everything. That's a little different to me. And there's soft tissue muscle things to where I want to, I want to watch and see like, if we did this like week four of the NFL season and I got to see three weeks of Odell and go, Oh wait, he's back. He's back.


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[Assistant] And then he's probably gonna go right back into my top two or three. But I do have that question mark right now. I do.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but yeaah, I think this is, you know my thoughts on Odell Beckham Jr. A healthy Odell Beckham Jr. is...


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[Assistant] The most talented receiver I've ever seen in my life. He is. And part of the reason he got injured


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[Assistant] And I'll always say this, it's a little bit like what's happened to Aaron Rodgers sometimes in Green Bay. You know, when you play in a crap team,


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[Assistant] I gotta go 70. And that makes you put your body in some vulnerable positions. And that's what happened. You know, and it's happened to Aaron Rodgers. It's happened to a lot of great talents over the years. So, uh, I'm excited. I think he's going to bounce back. I think he is in my heart of hearts, but I think realistically I couldn't put him above six, uh, right now.


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[Assistant] And listen, that's why Odell's special to me. It really is. That's why, you know, that Odell that we're talking about, the 89-yard touchdown pass and, uh, you know, the 21 miles per hour, he wasn't healthy then.


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[Assistant] He wasn't, I was at training camp in Cleveland and he was battling injuries then, the day I was there.


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[Assistant] He was, the team was telling me that it's hiping and bothering him and he was kind of sucking it up and then practicing and had some issues. So, you know, like I said, I'll stand by, I mean.


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[Assistant] To me, when hitting on all cylinders is the best receiver I've ever seen in my life because unbelievable catch radius, can beat you deep, and of course,


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[Assistant] I mean, how many highlights does he have of a guy who catches a four yard slant route and runs for 70 yard touchdown? I mean, that's, you know, that's special. I just, you know, people got to remember this guy back in 2016 when they went to the playoffs with the Giants and Eli Manning and stuff, you know, he was the only guy they had on offense.


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[Assistant] They had a great defense a year and they were basically going, we hope Odell can make two or three plays to get us like 10 points and we'll win the game of 17-14. And a lot of those weeks he did. And that's really rare to see a receiver like carry an offense that way to me.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but yeaah, you know that's my man. I'm rooting for LBJ all the way.


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[Assistant] I know, cause it, I just, I thought he'd be higher too when I was kinda doing it in my head, uh, you know, when I was first told about the exercise. You know, DeAndre Hopkins,


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[Assistant] You know, where to begin? First off, I think it's probably the best hands in football. That's where I'd probably start the conversation. I don't think there's anybody better catching the ball in traffic or with people around them than DeAndre Hopkins. So strong. I mean, can catch it, pull it in one hand, two hand, whatever it may be.


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[Assistant] You know, that's where he's special too. You know, he can, he has enough speed to beat you on the outside.


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[Assistant] Good route runner. I'm not going to sit here and tell you he's the greatest route runner. He's a good route runner, but he understands how to get open and


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[Assistant] He might get more cheap completions this year. I think where he could like, if I was gonna just like, just statistically talk, go.


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[Assistant] I could see this being a year of maybe the most receptions he's had in his career. They're gonna go all in and not that the Houston didn't.


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[Assistant] But I think Arizona's got enough talent right now.


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[Assistant] Hopefully at that receiver position, I think they do to where you're not going to just be able to hone in on him. They're going to spread the field and it's going to be the run and shoot Kyler Murray style.


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[Assistant] Uh, so I don't know if it'll be a whole lot different other than, you know, Billy O'Brien was patient with the run, and Cliff Kingsbury is a little bit more of a wide open style of offense, I guess I would say, to where it could just lend itself to maybe more big plays and more cheap catches for him.


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[Assistant] He might only get four or five yards or he's certainly not the type of guy, you know, and I think this is another reason I probably got him at five. He's not the type of guy and I challenge anybody really out there. There's only one or two in his whole career and maybe three of like,


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[Assistant] And running 60, 70, 80 yards, right? And just outrunning people with speed or, you know, juking them or, you know, stiff arms. There's just not a lot of that in his. Once he catches the ball, it's kind of like,


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[Assistant] He's gonna go straight upfield, tough yards. He's not dancing around. He's not gonna run away from people. He might break the arm tackles that you've brought up, but that's about where it ends for him.


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[Assistant] You know, I think Kyler Murray and Deshaun Watson and you know, my heart of hearts, I think next year could both be, you know, when we know Watson was number four for me.


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[Assistant] I think Kyler Murray could certainly be a top five quarterback too. So it's super talented.


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[Assistant] To me, where I think it could be different, you know, is this Cliff Kingsbury air raid influence.


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[Assistant] You know, I guess that's where I give it the advantage over Billy O'Brien. Billy O'Brien to me, the offense is good, but I don't go great. It's basic New England stuff, what they run.


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[Assistant] With the Houston Texans, where I guess I think Cliff Kingsbury has the potential maybe to be a little bit more of a special offensive game designer than Billy O'Brien.


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[Assistant] Cause he asked me about the quarterbacks when we were off camera and we had a little conversation.


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[Assistant] And then we got into Kyler Murray and I made some comments and he was like, I saw his eyes open up and he went,


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[Assistant] Your house just didn't compete with McVeigh and Clif Kingsbury. You're third, at least third in the NFC West.


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[Assistant] I mean, there's just, there's only a few people on the planet Earth that are built like that. So between that...


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[Assistant] But to me, this is one of the greatest mismatches in the sport. Jump balls, beat you with speed, back shoulder ability, adjusting the football, whatever it is. He is one of those guys that every defensive coordinator is always wary of. He is. Chris Godwin could probably give him part of his paycheck because he demands double teams more times than not.


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[Assistant] I think he will, yeaah. I think so. I think Brady's gonna bring enough of his own wrinkles to the offense. And then I think Brady's gonna have this, he's gonna realize, he's gonna go, wait.


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[Assistant] Is this 2007 again? Am I throwing to Randy Moss? Like, I don't need to be perfect. I just gotta throw it up in the general vicinity and this guy, I'll get it. Listen, Mike Evans, he's truly a victim of his own greatness here. See, what happens with a guy like Mike Evans is a lot of the times he gets none of the offensive scheme


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[Assistant] Schemed up plays for the receiver to look at where the quarterback can drop back and go, okay, we got three guys over here on the left and you know, everybody's doing their different thing, but you know, the play is for, for, for, you know, Michael Evans, Mike Evans. You're really going to cause this confusion so you can just hit Mike Evans. No.


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[Assistant] You know, he's so good, they just go, no, you line up over there. If you get man to man, we're gonna tell our guy to come to you, because we don't think anybody can get you man to man. And because of that, they don't ask him to run a lot of...


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[Assistant] Maybe some of the cheap routes that other receivers get to run.


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[Assistant] Because he's so physically gifted, they're always just like, you run the post.


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[Assistant] You run the go route. You run the 20 yard out route. Why would we have somebody else do that when you're the best at it and you cause all the attention? So because he's so talented, it causes him to lose receptions and things like that statistically on a year to year basis too. And I think that needs to be recognized.


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[Assistant] Uh, but I think legitimately for, like, if we're gonna say sustained period of time, yeaah, I think this is, Mike Evans will be the most talented wide receiver.


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[Assistant] Not over Randy. Randy's won and then, but he's gonna look at it like Randy or Gronk.


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[Assistant] He's gonna go, oh, this just doesn't fucking matter with these guys. I can just throw it in the area and they catch it.


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[Assistant] And I think he's gonna have a love affair with Mike Evans, let alone I know Mike Evans is chomping at the bit to be known.


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[Assistant] More on the national scene and get a little bit more respect nationally than he does.


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[Assistant] You know, listen, I know, no, it's not why I did that, okay? Uh, I don't bow to any fan base.


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[Assistant] And hey, I'll be the first one to tell you that did I miss evaluate Mike Thomas coming out of college? You know, did I miss the ball a little bit on how you could use him? Right? You know, I mean, really.


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[Assistant] Sean Payton is really the first guy really to use the big receivers as slot receivers.


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[Assistant] So when I first saw him coming out, I just was like, oh, I don't know if he's explosive enough to just be winning on the outside all the time. And he's not.


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[Assistant] He's not that kind of guy that can always just win with explosiveness on the outside. But...


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[Assistant] You know, there's other things he brings to the table that are very impressive. First off, on the outside, he's arguably the best back shoulder receiver in football. So again, that, that kind of takes away that weakness of, oh, he doesn't beat people deep as much. Doesn't matter. He just seems to catch the ball when it comes his way. But then I think the route running,


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[Assistant] Like tough, detailed, intricate routes that a lot of the time take thinking on the fly, let alone


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[Assistant] I think is really special. I don't look at him as like the most physically gifted guy in football, but I look at him as probably the second best hands in football behind DeAndre Hopkins.


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[Assistant] One of the best route runners in football, and really one of the most dependable targets in football. Not always gonna be sexy, but Mike Thomas is one of those guys, like, it's always, he's always gonna catch it.


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[Assistant] In the crowd, wide open, no matter what it is. And he's really, more times than not, because he understands what Sean Payton's trying to do, he really understands how to get open against about any other, any coverage.


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[Assistant] What I don't like is, well, it is, it's ridiculous. And what I don't like though is just, you know, people just look at it and go, oh, he's got the most catches, he's the best receiver in the game. And you know, I don't like that. We, we could get other great receivers to play in the Sean Payton offense and they'd probably lead the league in receptions too. It's not about that always. It's not.


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[Assistant] But, between, hey, people forget, New Orleans Saints like to run the ball, he's an unbelievable blocker, he's selfless that way, he's a big time red zone target, uh, and, you know, again,


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[Assistant] Where I made comment earlier where he might not survive in some simpler offenses that are more dependent on the receivers winning with just pure physical ability.


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[Assistant] I can also sit here with a straight face and say, I think there's some receivers out there that have more pure physical ability.


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[Assistant] Can do some of the things he can do as far as route running, catching the ball in traffic over the middle, and being dependable that way for the capacity he is either. That's where, you know, it becomes a juggling act in this kind of conversation.


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[Assistant] That's what I mean. That's, that's where, that's where to me, you know, I think Mike Evans is more talented. And I probably think DeAndre Hopkins is more talented. But I think, do I think they would've,


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[Assistant] You know, capitalized on all those balls that were thrown to Michael Thomas that way. No, I don't think they would. That's right. He's the most dependable wide receiver in the game. There's no doubt. And I think if you got


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[Assistant] Anything, you know, third and seven or less.


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[Assistant] Dammit, I'm probably calling Michael Thomas down in New Orleans and going, hey man, I need you here. Come on, come on, I need it. It's a big third down, third and five. I know you can go up in all day and I can put the ball anywhere and you'll catch it. We'll get a first down.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, Julio Jones, I'm going with Julio at number two still. I actually can't believe it at this point of his career that I still think he's the number two receiver in football. It really is amazing, but.


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[Assistant] Hey, we're looking at a Tyrell Owens type talent here.


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[Assistant] I think that's how special he is, you know, because


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[Assistant] What I would say is like everything we've talked about with like all these guys, Julio can do it all.


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[Assistant] Right? I mean, Julio I think could have 149 catches in the New Orleans Saints offense, probably, yes. Hands are probably not as, quite as good. I'm not sure, sure some of the slot route running is to the capacity of Michael Thomas either, but he's just more of a pure physical, raw athlete that way. Uh, he is the type of guy who


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[Assistant] Red zone type offense that they run there in Atlanta ever since Kyle Shanahan left. So I don't think they necessarily do things to help him get touchdowns that way. I think a lot of times they use him once they get down there to get double teamed everything else and they call plays for everybody else. But


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[Assistant] I still think this is one of the best receivers in football.


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[Assistant] Can fly, can do things after the catch, can catch jump balls. Uhm, true, true physical Greek god in Julio Jones.


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[Assistant] Most times, most times, Diane. I mean, yeaah, this is, this is an all-time great.


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[Assistant] I mean, we're talking about here, you know, like I said, he can just beat you with pure speed or just be that guy. Like you're talking about the jump ball. Hey, I don't know who's going to catch it. Oh, he always seems to catch it type of guy. Yeah. He's got all of that. He does, but it doesn't mean I always take it.


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[Assistant] And yes, there's aspects of Tyreex Hill's game that are not as good as Julio Jones and Michael Thomas, but his speed


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[Assistant] And weaponry is so much scarier that I'm making him the number one pride receiver in football because of that. And because his speed is such a weapon, it takes away from some of the flaws in his game and changes the game greater.


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[Assistant] And a guy like Julio Jones or Michael Thomas at this point to me. And that's why I go Tyree killed number one. Again.


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[Assistant] Best receiver in football to me is not the guy who always has the most catches and most yards.


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[Assistant] You know, a lot of the times it comes down to, you know, Tyree kills the number one weapon in the game. There's the number one weapon. I don't think anybody.


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[Assistant] Scared defenses more than Tyree kill. I don't think anybody.


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[Assistant] Yeah, can he run the slot, slot routes to the capacity Michael Thomas can? No.


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[Assistant] But neither, none of them can catch a three-yard shallow cross and go up the sidelines for a 90-yard touchdown either. Or, you know, catch a screen pass and go 90. Or, you know, on third and 15, run a 50-yard post-corner route and like, uhm, oh, the Super Bowl. And get that.


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[Assistant] I mean, that, that, that's special. So yes, he's not like the most polished guy in the world.


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[Assistant] But he's the scariest receiver in the game. And you know what? When Randy Moss and I was playing in the NFL and Randy Moss in the NFL,


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[Assistant] There was a lot of other receivers that were better at a lot of different things than him. I can just tell you, when we were getting ready to play Randy Moss, RDBs were scared as hell that week. A lot scared, more scared of the guys who were like getting a lot of catches and running a lot of perfect routes. So, uh, that's, that's to me, the value of Tyree Kill. And that's why he would be my number one pick and receiver right now.


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[Assistant] I know. I mean, I wouldn't be shocked. I wouldn't be shocked if, you know, this group challenged Peyton Manning and that Broncos 55 touchdown passes in a season. I wouldn't. You know, they're going to be loose as hell this year.


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[Assistant] They've already got through the hard part. They won the championship. The pressure's off.


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[Assistant] I, I think I've told you, I've really only seen one guy give him problems covering a man to man and that was Jalen Ramsey. It's the only guy I've seen give him issues. Other than that, he tortures everybody. And yeah, you know, I think you got to take into account, you know, I know we're thinking about wide receiver.


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[Assistant] But when I think about the wide receiver, I think of reverses and speed sweeps and things like that because that's what wide receivers are asked to do this day and age in the NFL. And he's a game changer that way. So when you think about Tyree Kill, even though he doesn't run like all the great short routes, the slot routes like we've talked about with some of these guys,


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[Assistant] Because he's so, such a rare skill set and rare athlete, he still makes you defend him in every aspect of the field, just like those guys, just a different way. Because yeaah, he might catch a screen, it's nothing great.


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[Assistant] You know, but yeaah, he catches a screen and, and splits, splits two defenders. He's gone! See ya!


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[Assistant] You know, where, you know, other guys, uh, they might be better route runners, but they catch that same screen and it's only a seven yard game.


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[Assistant] And to me, that's where Tyree Kill is really special and he gets so many other plays, uh, or gets, gets the other players on his team off on a weekly basis because the attention that is, you know, attracted towards him throughout the game.


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[Assistant] That's a little much. It was too much for her. I need to wake her up and go, wait, you need to watch your son mumble and stumble all over some of these words. I will be yelling at your son. He will look like a weirdo and an idiot.


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[Assistant] Well, wow. I mean, because I think to what you're saying, like, we didn't see this coming at the start of training camp. We weren't thinking like, ooh, there might be some issues. You know, usually you can tell when there's issues between a team and a player, whether it's money or they want to be traded or whatever it is, they're not happy. This one,


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[Assistant] There was no inklings of that, you know, and so I think that's the shocking thing. I think my biggest thing is this, alright, and again.


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[Assistant] Let me say this just on the football aspect. I was shocked that the Baltimore Ravens signed him for as much money as they did last year. I was shocked. I know I said it on this podcast. I said it on PFT.


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[Assistant] You know, I had made some comments like, you know, Earl Thomas is no longer one of the top safeties in football. You know, I think that's the first thing I'd say to anybody out there listening right now. You know, because I, of course, this news happens this weekend. I'm watching all the shows and the highlight shows and looking on, you know, the internet and everything else.


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[Assistant] How many people are like, oh my gosh, they're letting go of such a quality football player. You know, you don't just let a guy like Earl Thomas go. You don't let good players walk away. Listen, he's a Hall of Famer. As you said, he's a legend. He's awesome. That doesn't mean he's that right now. And I would say he's not that right now. He is not in that


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[Assistant] We didn't really, I mean Baltimore to this day is still the only team I heard that made any sort of like offer to the extent of like the kind of money he got from them this past year.


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[Assistant] Crazy to me, crazy to me. Baltimore is, of course, one of the best-run organizations in football. And they don't make mistakes like that very often.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the safety, was it a need? Okay, yeah, certainly. I don't think it was like, oh my gosh, if they don't get some better safety play, they're screwed over. But yeah, they paid Earl Thomas, like he was in the prime, Earl Thomas, and that's not where he's at anymore. So I think that's the first thing I would say to all those out there, just from the simple


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[Assistant] Do you, like, you don't see these situations come about very often, right? I mean, you haven't seen them. Do you know how hard, I mean, how much you have to be disliked by your team?


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[Assistant] And the organization for them to get rid of you the way that they got just got rid of Earl Thomas. I mean, that just, it doesn't happen. Not for a guy, especially that's a Hall of Fame type of football player.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well yes, I'm not going to say he's significantly better than anything they got on their roster. No, I'm not going to say that. Any replacement for him. Okay, maybe, I mean, yeaah, you know, like, okay, experience-wise, he's definitely better than Deshaun Elliott, who's the guy that's the backup there right now. But like, the physical ability-wise,


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[Assistant] No, it is, it is very, very, very middle of the road for Earl Thomas. It really is.


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[Assistant] They got Jimmy Smith, they got other guys in the secondary that they can convert to safeties if they have to, certainly.


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[Assistant] No, no, not really. Other than, like I said, the experience factor, you know, the, the quarterbacking of a defense. I mean, Earl's gonna be, yes, light years ahead of them that way. He's gonna be more comfortable in uncomfortable environments because of the experience and playing in Super Bowls and loud environments and all those things. Was he making it harder on


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[Assistant] There's no doubt. Yes. I think that was a big issue. And, you know, the more you watch, and especially, you know, me, I watch film and do all that stuff.


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[Assistant] You know, the, the physical explosion has just gone from Earl Thomas. So he's not a guy that you can necessarily want to play center field for his safety. He can't turn and run like you used to, so he's not as good sideline to sideline for go routes and things like that. His range is not nearly the same.


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[Assistant] Open field tackling, not as good as it used to be. You can see his speed's not the same. I mean, there's two gifts from him last year. One being tossed around by Derrick Henry, another one him giving up on a play running after Nick Chubb who's running for an 80 yard touchdown, right?


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[Assistant] Listen, four years ago, none of that happens. Earl Thomas tackles Derrick Henry, Earl Thomas runs down Nick Chubb. Not even close.


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[Assistant] So again, it doesn't make me proud to say those type of things, but I think because of the name and he's the household variety and he came from the Legion of Boom, I do think people are over-embellishing the talent of the player at this point of his career. I do think that, yeaah. I don't think we're, we're at a very middle of the crop.


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[Assistant] Safety as far as the NFL is concerned. And to me, again, the big thing that's gonna really...


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[Assistant] You know, make flashing lights with the Earl Thomas. It didn't go smoothly when he left Seattle. And of course this is about as bad as it looks for an NFL team. Again, you have to be really disliked for a team.


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[Assistant] To just basically part ways with you and really make no comments other than we're moving on. I think it was 17 words. I mean, there's no like, hey, Earl did so many great things for our organization. There was no like.


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[Assistant] Farewell send off, oh thanks for everything you did here. I think their lack of saying things pretty much said it all. That they didn't want him here, that's all they're going to say about it and it's over. And I don't want to let the team off the


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[Assistant] Well, I think the outside looking in, even going back to last year and him fighting with Brandon Williams early in the season. To me, it always looked like Earl was trying to instill his way or the Seahawk way and Baltimore was like, no, time out. We've been awesome on defense for 20 years here.


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[Assistant] A little bit, I think he could freelance a little bit, certainly because the defense is simple in the Seattle scheme, so he always knew kind of where he had to be, where their weakness was, and...


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[Assistant] He could get away with freelancing because he had three rockets up his ass in the prime of his career.


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[Assistant] Like, he was the fastest guy in the field in a lot of games he played in the prime of his career. To where, yeaah, if he was playing the middle safety position, he was supposed to, you know, cheat this way, right? Let's say Julio Jones is over here and he's supposed to cheat this way.


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[Assistant] You know, yeaah, just the way it went down, you know, even the, you know, the social media, I don't know if you saw the Instagram video that he put out, which first off, I would think is contra detrimental right there.


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[Assistant] You put practice film? They put practice film on his Instagram account. He's deleted it since because I'm sure his agent was like, dude, you can't put that out there.


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[Assistant] Even in the video, I don't know if you've really seen it, and it's hard to tell. He obviously has a breakdown playing middle of the field safety.


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[Assistant] Let's an inside post go where he should have been over the top probably to help that guy who's covering this inside post deep cross or he's underneath it and then you want the safety to be over the top of it and the quarterback won't throw it cause he's gonna go, man, I have to make that too perfect or that's going to be an interception or a bam bam ball pops in the air interception, right? Earl wasn't in the right place to me too. You know, the, the, the reaction.


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[Assistant] of Earl on the video, I mean, to turn around and yell, rips his own helmet off, throws it and starts yelling at guys.


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[Assistant] I mean, that's just not cool leadership anywhere in football. I mean, nowhere. I mean, that wouldn't go down anywhere, especially with a bunch of alpha male Baltimore Ravens guys, and then when you're the one in the wrong,


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[Assistant] That's gonna really piss people off too. And we don't know this, but if he was in the wrong a lot already, a few times in camp and freelancing, like the reports we're hearing,


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[Assistant] That'll, that stings more to those players. They're like, what? You're showing me up? You've messed up 74 times in camp already and no one's done that to you. And now here you messed up and you're gonna show us up.


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[Assistant] That's just not going to go over. And, you know, my last thing I'll say, just with defenses like this, because I got to be around it a little in Tampa Bay, and with the Tennessee Titans even, but Tampa Bay especially, because they won the Super Bowl, it was Derrick Brooks and Simeon Rice and Warren Sapp and Booger McFarlane and Ronde Barber and John Lynch, you know,


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[Assistant] None of them. Even if Warren Sapp was a little bit of a pain in the ass, right? And not your like, perfect boy scout.


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[Assistant] That's your gap. And that's what a good defense does, and it just sounds like there was a little too much freelance and they had enough of it.


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[Assistant] Well that's where you always, and this is a great question and a great point, and that's where you have to be careful about what kind, like these type of players.


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[Assistant] I've been here for 10 years and this is how we do things and, you know, so maybe there was a little bit of that, certainly, but to me it also-


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[Assistant] I mean it's deep in the middle. Like, okay.


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[Assistant] If we're just going to like 32 free safeties in football, right? We're just doing that. I mean, yes, it's very much in the middle. Listen, I can go through teams here right now and just go,


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[Assistant] I mean, I can, I mean, I can do it every way you wanted to. I can sit here and go through the NFC East and go, you know, I know you don't want it that way.


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[Assistant] Maybe the jets, there's one spot there, then maybe.


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[Assistant] You know, but the kid they traded for, uhm, to get, uh, you know, Jamal Adams and the guy they got back from Seattle. He's pretty talented. He's faster and more explosive than Earl Thomas is at this point of his career. So it's not like it's a shoe-in, but the Jets, okay, maybe. Dolphins.


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[Assistant] Alright, I'll throw them in there. They got nothing like a proven commodity as far as the safety positions considered. The Browns.


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[Assistant] Maybe makes sense. I'm not sure. I'm totally sold on it. They do have some veteran guys there. They did your draft Grant Delpit. They got Carl Joseph, who's basically like Earl Thomas, but four years ago, really fast that way. But they do play the Seattle scheme. Joe Woods is there. He just came from San Francisco. That could make sense. Maybe you think that's important.


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[Assistant] I think those Seattle scheme guys might like look at him a little differently to just go like, man, he knows our defense, he'll get everybody in the right spot. I mean, gosh, he's one of the pioneers of this position for this defense, right? So I think there'll be a little bit of a love affair.


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[Assistant] Between those real Seattle scheme guys, they'd be like, Oh, I can ever old Thomas. I remember in 2014 when he was the best, you know what I mean? They'll get caught up with that.


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[Assistant] The Colts and Jaguars, I think you could argue there, and they both run the Seattle Scheme, alright? So there's, there's three teams of Seattle Scheme. Uhm, I go to the NFC.


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[Assistant] Could go Eagles maybe. It's a maybe with the Eagles. They really Rodney McLeod is a better free safety than Earl Thomas. Now not all teams have like that free safety, strong safety. Sometimes they just have two safeties and both guys do both.


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[Assistant] Philadelphia is a little that way, to where it's like, okay, you could have two Earl Thomases in that defense or two Rodney McLeods. Lions, Bucks, I look at those two to go, oh yeaah, there's a lot of unproven commodities in those two secondaries to where I could see maybe a Matt Patricia going,


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[Assistant] Man, I don't, I don't trust my young safeties or some of these guys that are in here. I need to get somebody in here that can learn all my defenses and, and do it all the right way. And then the Panthers and the Cardinals. I mean, after that,


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[Assistant] I don't see a whole lot of teams, and listen, like I said, I wrote Texans maybe, I wrote Browns maybe, I wrote maybe one spot with the Jets, I wrote Eagles maybe.


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[Assistant] You know, so it's not as like... He's just not an upgrade for enough teams. No, it's not gonna be an upgrade from enough teams. It is not. And like, again...


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[Assistant] Probably not. Probably not. I mean, but, you know.


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[Assistant] Well, and you know, this isn't my end. I'm not unusual either. I mean, I just call it like I see on the football field. And am I wrong sometimes? Yeah, I am. I mean, as you know, but, but damn, I, I, uhm, I feel pretty good that I'm, you know, pretty spot on with my evaluation.


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[Assistant] Didn't go out in the best way. He didn't go out. I mean, he gave Pete Carroll the middle finger, remember, as he's going off field. So that's a problem. And then also ran into the Dallas Cowboy locker room after his last game and told them to sign him after he was still in the Seattle Seahawks.


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[Assistant] Like to me, those are not cool things. Those are things teams are going to look at now and put a little bit more into it, let alone like you're talking about, teams are really going to look at this one right now and go, whoa.


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[Assistant] Baltimore did this to him. Do we really want this guy? And here's the point I wanted to make before that I, you know, I got distracted with. Let's come back.


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[Assistant] I was with a safety in a similar situation to Earl Thomas. I played with Brian Dawkins, right? Late in his career. He wasn't the Brian Dawkins of the Philadelphia Eagles and Wolverine and like, whoa, it's either him, Ed Reed or Troy Palamolo are the best safeties in football. And like, that's it. There's no other conversation.


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[Assistant] He was still good, middle of the road-ish, like an Earl Thomas, but he came in and


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[Assistant] Was a leader with positivity and goodness and never held himself like...


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[Assistant] I can't be showing up for meetings three minutes late. You know, that was okay when I was the man and, you know, I went out there and made seven plays on Sunday that nobody else can make in football. Okay. But now I'm missing seven normal plays every Sunday.


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[Assistant] And not that guy. And that, that's just not cool. Like Derek Brooks.


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[Assistant] He wasn't the same Derek Brooks when I first got there as when I left. His play had gotten down and his attitude was a little different because of that. Cause he knew like, wait, I can't always be the guy like leading the charge and rah rah rah rah rah. I'm, you know, one of the bottom starters on our defense now. So I have to adjust.


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[Assistant] My approach in how I talk to people, that's part of being a football player, it's part of like surviving in a locker room and being a leader and being diplomatic that way. Trying to make a transition.


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't. You know, they're gonna have to figure that out. They're gonna miss some stuff with Earl Thomas as far as, you know, like we talked about, his ability to diagnose plays, his experience, some of the mental aspect, maybe his ability to disguise. But I'm just telling you, a lot of big situations last year.


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[Assistant] You know, to me, more times than not, it looked like they were trying to hide Earl Thomas, rather than going, we're gonna put you in the spot to make the play. Right? That's what, like, the Jets do with Jamal Adams. They're like, they're gonna go, we're gonna put you right here, cause we think the ball's gonna go right here, and you'll make it happen.


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[Assistant] So me, it was more of like, we think the ball's gonna go over here, so we're gonna put you over here this year. And again, I don't feel cool saying this stuff, but that's just the facts of the matter to me.


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[Assistant] Well, well, yeah, I don't think his agent already doesn't like me. I know that. His agent got mad at me last year.


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[Assistant] What's up, dad? Mike Perdin. And then your son has a pretty cool, uh, handle there. What was that? Max Boss Max. Max Boss Max. I like that. Okay, I'd like to hear more about what dad's favorite team is and those things. So please let us know that, uh, Max Boss Max.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm not putting Jimmy Garoppolo in that top 5, top 6, 7, 8 talented quarterbacks in football. No, I'm not. But this is still a guy that's a pretty smart decision maker.


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[Assistant] Great with chaos around him and throwing the ball kind of off his back foot or, you know, in a little weird position and just flicking it out with his wrist and doing that has a very quick release that way. So, you know, I think those are the things I like and those are probably the things New England saw too. You know, New England again,


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[Assistant] They didn't draft him thinking like, woah, let's just draft a guy so we can have a trade asset. They drafted him because they, that 2013 season, again, I gotta remind everybody.


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[Assistant] Brady was not good, and I know a lot of people are gonna go, well they went to the AFC Championship game. I know, they're New England.


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[Assistant] And I wish I could bring back all the people in football at the time where I used to have people be like, you know, Tom's not, when I watch the film, Tom's not really playing that good, right? Right? He's not playing that good, is he, Chris? No, he's not. You're right. You're right. He hasn't really played well for two or three years now. They drafted Jimmy Garoppolo because they were concerned about Brady's play.


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[Assistant] That's why they drafted him in the second round. They didn't draft him in the second round and go, let's just let him sit here for five years and have him look cool. You know, Brady's play picked up in 2014. They lit a torch under his ass. They got off to a bad start that was not on to Cincinnati.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna start throwing, and he, and really what I should say is that was two, because first thing he did was fix some of his mechanics to lend himself to throw some of those more aggressive throws more effectively.


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[Assistant] As I've told you many times and I was there in 2012, he was the worst down the field thrower in football. Not just by my assessment, the numbers, everything said it. That's all we worried about in practice. Oh, it was an incompletion? Great, keep throwing it deep.


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[Assistant] I mean, Bill used to say that to him every day that spring. Just need you to keep throwing it deep, Tom. He keep being aggressive. They knew he could throw it four yards over the middle of the West Welker.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, I think Boonie fixed up his mechanics. What did he do? Was that a personal


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, I think he did Tom House, and you know, he really got into, he got away from, he got back to a little bit more of what he was at the start of his career. When 2009, 10, 11, 12 came around, they got so into that short passing game, his motion got really up high.


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[Assistant] Let me get it over the line of scrimmage. Let me just get it to Wes so he can see the ball out of my hand and he can catch it and then he'll dance upfield for a few extra yards.


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[Assistant] The team started to catch on to all that stuff too. And it just became so hard for New England to always figure out a new way to get a five or six yard completion to where they started to go, man, we can't do this anymore. We gotta like open the field up. And Brady finally I think just said f**k it too and started letting it loose and it changed things forever. And it helped them this second dynasty run they went on.


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[Assistant] You know, maybe, and Brady obviously was like, no, it's not ending. I want to keep playing. Mr. Kraft, come down here, please. I'd like to keep playing. Can you get rid of Jimmy Garoppolo? And then that's what happened. And then he realized he was going to have to trade Jimmy Garoppolo and he called up Kyle Shanahan and the rest is history.


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[Assistant] No, I don't. I think they were impressed with Garoppolo. They thought that he certainly was capable of being that next guy after Brady. It didn't work out. Brady was still playing at a high level and, you know, they, they had to make a move to help their team, which was at that time trade Jimmy Garoppolo.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, I mean, yes, you know, again, as awesome as Tom Brady is, nothing is better to me than Bill Belichick as the head coach and that culture he set there and, you know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm sure they want to show that. Their system, their culture, their day to day attack, their attention to detail, their creativity, uhm, all of that, their ability to grind and compete.


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[Assistant] And, and I really mean that. Uhm, and I would be shocked if they don't have success with Kim. I really would. I mean, they, you know, as you know, they won 11-5 with Matt Castle.


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[Assistant] I can't imagine the worst case being anything horrific. Like I'm, I'm not, I can't, I'm not going to sit here and go, well, it could, they could end up going five and 11 if it goes bad or six and 10. No. Nine and seven. Yeah. Eight and eight, nine and seven. Cam has some weeks where we go, man, it's awesome. He's got it. And then we have other weeks where we go, Ooh,


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[Assistant] Yep, he doesn't understand this system and, you know, they're just, they can't make any plays on the offensive side of the ball.


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[Assistant] I just would be shocked with that. So smart. The defense is still really freaking good. You know, he's going to add to the strength of the running game because of his ability to keep the ball and do certain things too. It's going to make their rest of their running game better. And you know, I just would be shocked if they don't formulate the correct plan around the guy.


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[Assistant] Joey Judge. Were you there with him? I was. In 2012? Yeah.


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[Assistant] You know, that's all I had to do. Uhm, Joe is unbelievable energy. I think that's the first thing I would talk about. Yeaah. You know, he's a really straight shooter, got a great way about him, and communicating and everything like that, and, you know, is uhm,


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[Assistant] I think a guy who can replicate that crazy energy in a good way on a day to day basis, like it's, it's pretty unbelievable that way. I think it's the first thing that jumps out to me.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna say yes, I am. I, you know, again, Joe Judge, yes, he's not an offense or defense or coordinator.


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[Assistant] But between being in New England and Alabama, he understands the way an organization is supposed to be run. He understands what a complementary game plan means to win and put your team in the best position on a weekly basis. And then the biggest thing is, you know,


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[Assistant] He's got a stable offensive coordinator in Jason Garrett, who I think is better offensive mind than people give him credit for. I think the Giants are going to be a sneaky, better offensive team than people realize. At least that would be my assessment. And I think on defense, uhm, with Patrick Graham, who was also in New England with me and just came from Miami,


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[Assistant] Yeah, they're gonna run that Flores-Belecek scheme.


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[Assistant] And they're going to be well coached and know what they do. Yes, I think they're going to be a pain in the butt. Am I going like, you know, playoffs?


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[Assistant] 9 and 7, 10 and 6, I don't know, no, I'm not doing that. But like, could I see a 7 and 9 and, or maybe, maybe a 6 and 10 but like really close in a bunch of games and exciting to watch? I think that's kind of what I expect from the New York Giants. Bumbles from Daniel Jones. I hope not.


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[Assistant] Well, New England, probably. You think? Yeaah, probably not running the coaches as much anymore or doing anything like that. That happened in 2012. Yeaah, occasionally. Yeaah, I mean, if things are going bad, I mean, that's just the New England way. It's just, there's no nonsense.


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[Assistant] It's Belichick, it's the Parcells way, it's Tom Coughlin, it's all a part of this same school.


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[Assistant] Did you run? Uhm, I'm trying to think if I ever did run. I feel like we had a run one time, like the whole offensive staff. Like it was just a bad practice and I think we all had to like go run around the goalpost and back. Uhm, but yeaah. Bill Belichick can pull that off.


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[Assistant] Especially in the middle of a hard training camp and like, guys are going like, damn I'm tired already. And now you're gonna make me get more tired and then go take reps.


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[Assistant] Which will make you focus more because you just go, shit, I don't want to have to go run again because that was tiring, right? So there's that aspect. But yea, it's going to be about his ability to communicate properly with the players and the coaches throughout this. Yea, you could be the dictator and you know.


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[Assistant] You know, bang the gavel every now and then, do all that. But if you don't show an open side to the players, and a humane side,


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[Assistant] It's gonna fall on deaf ears, to where they're gonna be a little bit like, this guy doesn't give a shit about us, he's too much of a drill sergeant, and they'll start to tune him out, you don't want that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it'll come off real. I do. I do. So, I mean, we'll see, but I do. I think it's naturally in him to be that way. And there's really not a fakeness about him anyways. You know, I know you've never met him, but I think he's one of those guys, if you met him, whenever, whatever you think about him as a football coach, you'd be like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, well there's no schematical advantages for that offense. He doesn't get the throw to like Alvin Kamara coming out of the backfield who Sean Payton gets open six times a game for easy seven yard completions. And I know people are going to go, oh he's taking a shot at, you know, Drew Brees. You know, I'm just trying to, I know.


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[Assistant] Well, my point is, but that aspect of their offense does not exist. Brian Schottenheimer doesn't do that stuff.


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[Assistant] As you've heard me say many times, there's only a few offenses in football that really know how to use the slot receiver and really creatively get them open, you know, consistently.


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[Assistant] So, Seattle, no, they were, they rely more on, we're gonna beat you up in the run game, and then we're gonna take some shots and be aggressive in the pass game, and our quarterback's gonna make some plays, cause that's what he does. So, yeaah, some of the system guys out there, they're not gonna be able to pull that off. They're not. You know, Mahomes, of course, is gonna be able to pull that off.


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[Assistant] You know, Deshaun Watson's gonna be able to pull that off. Josh Allen's gonna be able to pull that off. You know, really.


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[Assistant] Ryan Tannehill at this point of his career, yes, is gonna pull that off too.


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[Assistant] Right. Who can freewheel it. It has a pretty big arm. Throw it downfield. And it's gonna be able to throw the ball down. Exactly right. So that's a way to explain it. Exactly. So like Derek Carr?


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[Assistant] You know, I'm not sure he can do that. He has the physical ability to do it.


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[Assistant] He just won't cut it loose and let some of those balls go. He can do it. You know, but it just, you know, but yea breeze? No.


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[Assistant] Philip Rivers, ehm, maybe to a degree. I don't know if he can do it consistently as effectively as some of these other guys, you know. Uhm, but, but yeaah, that's the big thing is, is it's, it's takes that type of quarterback. A quarterback with special physical ability.


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[Assistant] That's kind of the style of football in which they play. I mean, my point to that would be the way that offense plays and you're talking about these four point leads and I would go, if your offense is a little aggressive, more aggressive,


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[Assistant] You would win some of those games by 21 points and you wouldn't be sweating it out late in the fourth quarter going, oh, I hope we can hold them to a field goal or we're going to lose this one. You know, that's what they do too much. That's where, you know, they, to me, almost hurt their team at times. It's just because of


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[Assistant] That style of play in which they play. Or, you know, again.


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[Assistant] It's good for them too, and they've been able to get away with it for a lot of years because their defense was great, but just another thing I was thinking about there too is, okay, but how many times did they go in at halftime down three or four points where I want to go, if they just let it loose a little bit, they'd be up by two touchdowns. You know what I mean? So, it's a good stat, but.


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[Assistant] This is a great question. I've really been debating this a lot lately. Uhm, I don't.


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[Assistant] This is where I think defenses will have an advantage. I think that if the defense aligns, the defense aligns might be able to dominate.


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[Assistant] Offensively Lyman and Offensively Lions as a unit usually take a little bit to get their feet underneath them as far as, you know, playing live football. And they'll have none. They'll have none. And then they're going to have these fresh Dean Lyman who


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[Assistant] Are not beat up and foaming at the mouth and finally like, holy shit I can hit the quarterback. And I can, like, don't have to worry about any of that stuff and I can just go pedal the metal. I don't have to go 80% because I'm saving myself for the next day at training camp or, you know, I'm not trying to hurt the guy in front of me, whatever that is.


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[Assistant] So that's where I go, I think we can see like the dominant defensive lines really dominate early on.


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[Assistant] I also worry about secondaries. Secondaries to me, you know, the thing they're gonna miss is, yea, live game reps in the preseason and all that, but because of the limited amount of time, like, some of the in-depth things you would do as a defense that you've already like checked off the list in OTAs,


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[Assistant] Right? Like they're, they're having to start them or just getting into them now instead of being like five weeks down the roads on some of their stuff. So, you know, maybe a defense, let's just say New England. Oh man, when they motion to cover, when they motion to trips over to the right side, you know,


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[Assistant] In week 10 last year, they might have gotten like, oh hey, X-call. And that means they were going to switch to some certain coverage because they like to get in this coverage versus that personnel set and that formation.


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[Assistant] Where they might not be there early in the year. They might just go, whoa, let's just keep it basic. Cover two everybody. Cover two. And that to me is going to lead maybe to some big offensive passing numbers. Like the strike year. I mean the last time we had the CBA.


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[Assistant] And I don't know, Pete, if you're listening, how many quarterbacks did we that year have 5,000 yard passers? I believe Stafford threw for five. I believe Breeze threw for five. I threw Rogers threw for five. I think we had four quarterbacks in that year with no offseason throw for 5,000 yards.


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[Assistant] I agree. They're going to be more in their comfort zone. I mean, there's no, yeaah, you're right. Quarterbacks are going to be able to, you know, not have to worry about messing with the snap count or crowd noise or signals that this guy get this and that. So, uh, yeaah, I mean.


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[Assistant] Make adjustments that way. Maybe get off the snap quicker. You're right about that. You're right. You're right. I also just think about the offense as being able to communicate a lot more at the line of scrimmage too.


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[Assistant] Oh, and the 5,000 yard passers were Breeze, Brady, Stafford, and Eli had 4,900 yards. Pete just told me that in my ear.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so it was three, three, five thousand euros. Three of them, okay. One was close.


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[Assistant] What's funny is if you look at like the top passers, right?


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[Assistant] Jamus, Prescott, Goff, Rivers, Matt Ryan, none of them went to the playoffs, right? None of them. Just kind of shows you, it's like, hey, they were behind in a lot of games, probably had to throw the ball, got a lot of garbage yards, you know, pass-wise that way. It wasn't until 6 Russell Wilson until we had a playoff quarterback.


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[Assistant] It's hard, the two names that come to my mind right away are Patrick, yes. I just think, you know, you've heard me say it, I just think them winning


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[Assistant] Him's contract being done, pressures off, I think they're gonna thrive. And then now you have Clyde Edwards Hilaire to add to it. I, I immediate, in, in, in, Anne.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna pick Dak Prescott too. Those would be the two guys that first jumped out to me because also weapons at their disposal, like we talked about, receivers, quarterbacks have advantage over DBs.


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[Assistant] Really good offensive lines. To where, like, I look at some of those, like Dallas, that's the type of offensive line where I go, uh, yeaah, they might not be used to real game play, but they're so damn good, that they'll be better than most in week one, cause they're just that good of an offensive line.


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[Assistant] Maybe, maybe. It's just damn they got C.D. Lamb and Michael Gallup and Amari Cooper. So I'll be interested to see where that goes. Those are the two that jump to my brain right away.


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[Assistant] Oh, I think that's a pretty good one too. I think the only thing that holds him back there is just Matt and Patricia. And wanting to be a little bit more balanced than Darrell Bevel and let's run the ball. Drafting Swift. Drafting Swift with Karrion Johnson. He's been very much into the offensive line ever since he got there. But I wouldn't be, like, that wouldn't be shocking either.


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[Assistant] I am. I think Mahomes is just, this is gonna be like...


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[Assistant] I wish we could all go back and I could show you games. I want to say through for 45 touchdowns, maybe eight interceptions, something like that. I just think it's going to lend itself to that where my home is going to go. There's nothing I can't conquer. I'm the man. I'm the best player in the game and he's going to thrive of that. So I'm going to go him with that. Okay.


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[Assistant] I mean, receptions for sure. I mean, no doubt about it. It's just...


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[Assistant] I'd be shocked if he got up to 150 again. I mean I really would be. For receptions. Yes. Okay.


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[Assistant] The big thing is, is who's gonna be that other yards guy that can really challenge him that way?


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[Assistant] Your guy, Goladay, is definitely in that conversation. You know, I think about Amari Cooper, but they, I feel like other guys that are gonna take away from, you know, his, his production.


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[Assistant] I think if I had to go with one other dark horse here...


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[Assistant] I think DeAndre Hopkins is going to get a whole lot of catches in the Cardinals. I mean a whole lot. I would think he, like they're going to get off on trying to justify the trade for him. I would think they're going to probably pay him soon, which is going to also want to make them justify that.


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[Assistant] I do. I think Kyler is going to have a huge year. So he would be the guy that I would say that jumps out to me more than any to go. Ooh, watch out for him. He might be able to challenge a Michael Thomas. Maybe not necessarily in receptions, but yards. So go with him.


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[Assistant] You know, one, it's a lot of question marks on that offense. They just rebuilt their offensive line. I kinda wanna go with them with you. I mean, that's the guy I'm rooting for. I like him a lot. The one I do think that we all sleep on, of course, is Nick Chubb. I do. I think Nick Chubb, and then you talk about-


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[Assistant] Well, and they're going to the Minnesota offense, which we know is run first. And then you have two guys to worry about on the outside. And they got Austin Hooper as a good tight end. And they drafted a tackle in the top ten. And they signed Jack Conklin at right tackle with big money at right, you know, in free agency.


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[Assistant] So, I think I just talked myself into Nick Chubb. You go with Barclay, I'll go with Chubb.


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[Assistant] Derrick Henry, I'm always putting it because they're going to feature him. Clyde Edwards Hilaire, I just don't think, he might lead the NFL in receiving out of the backfield.


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[Assistant] But like yeaah, yes, not that much, you're right. He'll probably be third, behind him, the Kimara, and then him.


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[Assistant] I'd say watch out for Josh Jacobs too. That would be another guy I'd throw on everybody's radar. Josh Jacobs with that offensive line. Gruden's gonna run the football. And then, you know, even for total yards aspect, you know, as I've said here before many times, I mean, Gruden, he told me right to my face at the combine that Josh Jacobs is going to get more catches in the, in the pass game this year.


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[Assistant] There you go. So five to six new teams almost every year. Okay.


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[Assistant] Pittsburgh Steelers, they gotta be one of those, right?


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[Assistant] Okay, I think, let's just make a list of the teams we think that could be that team. So Chargers for sure, I'm with you. They're on that list.


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[Assistant] I agree. Those are two that I have on my shortlist.


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[Assistant] What up Browns? You gonna put Browns in the AFC in that conversation? No. No. Okay.


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[Assistant] Just for the sake of the exercise, I would put the Browns in there for right now. Okay. Right? Okay. Just to show Chargers, Pittsburgh, Colts, Browns. There's one more team in the AFC I'm gonna put in that category. So you're gonna put Denver in there. Exactly. Yep.


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[Assistant] It's those, those five teams I look at to go, ooh, they are teams in the AFC that jump out to me that I think could replace some of the playoff teams that we saw from last year. NFC? I'm gonna go Dallas.


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[Assistant] I know, you look at the bears, the rams, and the falcons, I feel like they could all be in that conversation. Right. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] I, you know, not to say that I think they're all, but I think they're all qualified to be in that, whoa, we have the capability, the roster, you know, for the most part.


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[Assistant] Most of these teams got the quarterback that I think is capable of bringing their team to the playoffs. So, I don't know, I've got 10 teams on my list right now. But if I had to narrow down to the two or three that I really think will be like,


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[Assistant] Dallas, I'm putting in there. Too much talent. I think McCarthy is gonna make that team tough. He's an army sergeant. And I think he'll have them ready to go. So I'm gonna put Dallas as one of them.


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[Assistant] Pittsburgh, I'm with you there. I mean it's Big Ben and it's a Super Bowl defense. Makes sense. And I think the Colts will probably be the team I would look at next. Okay. So that would probably be my top three.


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[Assistant] Right there. I mean I like the chargers like you said.


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[Assistant] I do think Houston's vulnerable. Yes, I think there's a lot of pressure on Deshaun Watts. I mean, to me right now, it looks like Houston's going, we're just gonna, Deshaun and our receivers and David Johnson, we're just gonna outscore you. So that, I look at that as being a vulnerable. Hey, New England.


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[Assistant] You know, there are New England, but we gotta see what they are first. And Buffalo, really, both those teams. Definitely, sure. You know, even Tennessee, I'm not gonna sit here and just, I mean, I expect them to be in the playoffs, but let's not forget, I mean, they were nine and seven last year. It wasn't like they just ran away and were like some slam dunk in the AFC.


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[Assistant] We're going to do our divisions and stuff. Minnesota is certainly the team that I look at in the NFC to go. If you made me pick one of the six teams that were in the playoffs last year and you made me pick one to say they're not going to be in it this year, Minnesota is hands down that team for me in the NFC.


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[Assistant] Man, I think I would probably go with the Ravens if you just made me pick. Really? I would, I know, that's not gonna get, I'm having a lot of, this is the Friends Podcast, you guys are trying to run every


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[Assistant] The Bucks, that 2000 team, 2002 team that won the Super Bowl. Of course, awesome, special defense.


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[Assistant] I don't think that was their best defense within that 6 or 7 year span. They were better some previous years. They just didn't have an offense that could help them out. I mean they almost beat the greatest show on Terp. What were they winning by at that point of that game? Like 10 to 6?


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[Assistant] Or 10-5? I mean, you know, they had to win games like that whenever they played a really quality football team. It was like, well, the Bucs defense...


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[Assistant] Uhm, that Ravens team won the Super Bowl at their peak greatness, I guess is what I would say. And, I never, I mean,


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[Assistant] The Tampa team had John Gruden and, you know, Brad Johnson and Keyshawn and Michael Pittman.


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[Assistant] The, the, the Ravens team, not to sit here like, Trent Dilfer,


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[Assistant] You know, Shannon Sharp at the end of his career, with not a lot of names on there, nor was the system known to be anything like the John Gruden system was at that time either. They were literally running the ball with like,


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[Assistant] Well, first off, that is a great, real, like, truly a great thing. Uhm, hold on, let me pull, let's pull up Super Bowl winners.


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[Assistant] I mean, you're right, the best team does not always win it in the national football league. Not even the top five best team, right? I mean, sometimes, every now and then, yea, sometimes the top two teams aren't even in the finals. Now, it doesn't happen as much as it used to.


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[Assistant] You know. Although it could happen more now that only one team gets the buy. I think you're definitely going to see more of that. Definitely. To where some of the higher seeds now, yea, they don't have that advantage. And so we want to know about the team, the worst team.


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[Assistant] Okay, that is a really good one. Alright, alright, so uhm, hold on, I'm almost there.


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[Assistant] There wasn't a great team, you're right. 2007 or 11 kinda have that same type of thing.


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[Assistant] Steelers, yeaah. I was almost going to say the 2006 Steelers you could throw in there too because Big Ben was still young and they didn't have a great offense.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeaah, the 2008 Steelers, now that offense was, the pass game was potent, and the defense was pretty damn good though. I mean, with Harrison, and hold on, I'm almost there, I'm just checking this out here, checking it out. Any of the New England teams? I don't think so. Okay.


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[Assistant] Like, I don't think the New England team that lost to the Seattle Seahawks was better than that Seattle Seahawk team, but they were on that day, and they won that game.


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[Assistant] Alright, I think if you're making me pick one. Making you pick one.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they won the Super Bowl in 2006, but that 2005 stealer against the Seahawks. 21-10. Right. In Detroit. Right. Big Ben.


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[Assistant] Bad calls by the ref. The Seahawks had some bad drops that day. I mean, Matt Hasselback played such a good game and his team kind of let him down. Let alone some questionable referee calls and things like that. Plus that Pittsburgh offense and Big Ben.


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[Assistant] They struggle throwing the football. I mean, what a big bet. I think he threw for like 40 something yards in the game. I mean, it's not, it's the worst quarterback rating in like the history of the Super Bowl to win a game. He had a 22.6 pass rating. Right. It was something like that. So.


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[Assistant] You know, to me, they were handicapped on that side of the ball. I mean, if you remember how they scored one of their touchdown passes, it was in Detroit, your home city there. I don't remember. They ran the reverse pass. Hines at, you know, Hines Ward caught a pass from Antoine Randall-El, remember that?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, he is. He's pretty good too. Uh, but yeaah, I think that's the whore.


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[Assistant] One Super Bowl XL. And, you know, to the point.


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[Assistant] Let's see, 05? Okay, they were there. I was gonna say the 08 football team that Steelers won that year. You know...


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I would sit there that year and tell you they were not the best team in football, they weren't even the best team in the AFC. I was on that Tennessee Titans team that had beat them in week 15 for home field advantage, but we blew it against the Ravens in the divisional round.


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[Assistant] I was going to say, can you let me read them, but I don't want to touch your computer. Do you want to read them? You can read them. I don't even have this document that you're in. That's why.


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[Assistant] Well, it's Frank the Tank, right? Is his name? Frank the Tank. And it's Frank...


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[Assistant] I can't think of his last name. Oh, Frank Ricard? Ricard? I can remember him leaving, he's leaving.


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[Assistant] A voicemail for his wife who he's broken up with because he thought they were in the trust tree.


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[Assistant] With the psychologist. Oh, that's where you get the trust tree from. The trust tree. I thought we were in the psychologist because sometimes he found himself wondering what kind of underwear women were wearing. And then, you know, they both look at him like, wait, and then he looks at him and goes, wait, I thought we were in the trust tree because they're newly married and he's struggling.


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[Assistant] That works, but it's not the four. Wait, wait. It's not the four that went on the yellow brick road. You're missing one. You said the Tin Man, the Lion, Dorothy. Who's the other one?


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[Assistant] Scarecrow. Thank you. There we go. Alright good. Have you seen that movie before?


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[Assistant] Ooh, Mike Evans is on my list. He is on your list! Yes. Yes, he is. So you would be correct. And I have one other receiver, of course.


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[Assistant] Make sense. He's your number one receiver. I just, OBJ, Tyree Kill, I'm a sucker for speed, I'm a sucker for yards after the catch, and then I needed one size guy, and to me,


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[Assistant] You know, currently playing, size guy, and a size guy that has a rare ability to also just beat people with straight speed. That's why I went with Mike Evans there. It hurt me to not have Julio. It hurt. Yeah, Julio.


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[Assistant] Big tight ends. I like big offensive lines.


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[Assistant] You know, I am, I'm a believer in that. I wanna maul you. I don't want just like...


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[Assistant] Oh, we have good athletes and we position block and things like that. I want to be able to on third and two, just go, nah, we're just, we're coming straight and we're going to just drive you off the ball. And Gronk could help that, let alone be, you know, this big target in the pass game. It was not on my radar.


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[Assistant] None of those four. So, I'm a little biased with my tackles.


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[Assistant] It is. And like, so Trent Williams is one of them. Trent Williams.


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[Assistant] Well, Trent Williams is just, you know, was put on my radar so long ago, early in his career with, you know, the Shanahan family, with Washington, you know, with Washington.


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[Assistant] Kyle just, you know, early on in his time there with Washington just going like, dude, this guy is, you know, a freak. You gotta watch him when the season starts. And we haven't even played a game and I think this guy's a hall of fame left tackle. Like nobody can get around him in practice. It's unbelievable. Blah, blah, blah, blah.


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[Assistant] And that just never stopped. And I know he took the year off last year, but he's back and he's with the 49ers. So yeaah, he's my one, my left tackle, for sure.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I did. I want road graders. That's what I'm going with. So Trent Brown, you know, and I honestly probably didn't have as a dominant year last year as I would have expected, but still really, really good. And yes, I mean, awesome pass protector.


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[Assistant] I mean, both good ones, and very nice on you on Roger Staffold, cause he's kinda been one of my man crushes for a long time.


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[Assistant] I though, uh, went Brandon Brooks of the Philadelphia Eagles here. No, you know, Brandon Brooks, anybody that used to listen to my podcast back in the old days and stuff like that, before he even went to Philadelphia, Houston Texans, all that, man, I've always loved Brandon Brooks. Now he's hurt this year, which stinks.


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[Assistant] But as you can tell, yes. We've turned them off. I mean, when you talk about the size of my offensive line, it's brutal.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Jason Kelsey is what we both said. He was, he was on this list, he was second.


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[Assistant] Yes, he's special. He is a special offensive line, came from Kansas City before, was it Kansas City before that? Yea, it was Kansas City, right? I'm totally, got so many names and people in my head. So yea, he came from Kansas City before that, but yes, as much as I love Jason Kelsey, he's a better athlete than Rodney Hudson and things like that, Hudson


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[Assistant] Again, I go back to my size and road grading. Hudson can really root people out of the ground and move people. You know, Kelsey's not that kind of way. Kelsey can be able to do things in the screen game and on the edge that Rodney Hudson can't do.


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[Assistant] As far as like pure downhill run blocking, Kelsey's more of a, I'm just going to get in your way, you won't make the tackle. Rodney Hudson's kind of like, I'm going to fire off the ball and you're going to be four yards downfield and I'm going to open up the hole myself.


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[Assistant] Bam. I was gonna say it, but I chickened out. You did say you finished my sentence. I know, I know. You know what made me chicken out? It was Cam Urban who was there for a while. He was a Florida State guy too.


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[Assistant] I will say, he kinda slipped my brain, cause it's like the good AP's been gone for a while.


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[Assistant] He was close. I mean, the ones, the ones you guys guessed on, they were my second. I wrote Kittle down at first, and then I went, oh, wait, wait, Gronk's playing, and yeaah, Gronk's my favorite tight end I think I've ever seen play, and I think he's the greatest tight end I've ever seen play.


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[Assistant] Phase right before the snap to, you know, breaking the huddle.


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[Assistant] Getting everybody lined up. What is the quarterback looking at on defense? Motions, all that stuff. All the context clues that...


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[Assistant] Help a quarterback, you know, uh, execute a play the right way and, and, and also within the context clues of what we're taught during the week, what to look for that'll give us clues for other things to look for as well. So, uh, yeah, we're going to do that here in a second.


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[Assistant] Well done everyone. Way to go, way to go. That's it for Chris Sims. Look at us, Chris Sims, Ahmed Fareed. Our pits are clean today. Yeah. Ahmed's wearing his beautiful yachting pants. Yes. I could go on a boat. You could go on a boat today.


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[Assistant] Yeah, would I get in trouble if I came over and hugged you right now? Like, would they be like, alright, no more podcasts in person? They'd edit it out. They'd edit it out. You're right. Alright, that's it. We'll be back Thursday, us two fools, and you can see...


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[Assistant] Our people here are growing, but we'll be back Thursday, hopefully Big Phil and a number of other things to hit. Everybody be good, enjoy the next few days. Keep sending questions. Instagram, Twitter, whatever it is, we want to answer them. We're going to keep doing this stuff all the time. Peace out. Peace out.


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[Assistant] Yo, yo, what's up? Come on, man. Subscribe on YouTube to Chris Simms unbuttoned podcast. I need you. Please hit the subscribe button, please.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we, we got a good one here. You're right. My mind is like going a million miles an hour because I've got to control the, the graphics here. Uh, we've got special guests coming in today for the first time, Chris.


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[Assistant] We're gonna, we're gonna get to see your dad's face and he is going to click a link and be here with us. He's gonna join us here in like 10 or 15 minutes.


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[Assistant] It's hot. It's like 90 degrees here in Connecticut for like the past week. And it's super hot in here. And then you called me out last pod on my sweaty pits, which were really bad. Uhm, and so I've worn a purple shirt today. I'm hoping it hides the, uh, the pit stains a little bit more, but I don't know that it will.


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[Assistant] I have multiple shirts here right next to me. Alright, let's get right into it. So we'll do an Ask Me Anything through this whole pod, and then your dad will join up and he'll help answer some of these questions.


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[Assistant] Great. And we got a lot about what you talked about in our last podcast, uh, specifically about, uh, that Seattle scheme, but let me start with Jamal Adams, more reaction to, uh, to the big trade and what you said about it. Um, this one comes from,


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[Assistant] Uh, uuuh. And he says, that was a tough one right off the bat. Uh, he says, does the Adams trade push the Hawks ahead of the 49ers in the NFC West? So, does that one move, which you said was a big move for them, maybe increases their Super Bowl potential just a little bit more, does that push them ahead of the 49ers, you think?


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[Assistant] No, knockout, you got Solomon Thomas, you missed up there at the top of that, that draft, but they just extended Lynch again. They previously did that with, uh, with Kyle.


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[Assistant] It just seems like, I don't know if Kyle talks to you about it at all, but the 49ers and the way they've constructed that team, they've got such a good relationship and it seems like it's built on trust. I mean, they came in together, it seems like when it's over, they'll eventually leave together almost.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the 49ers more complete, uh, a team maybe overall than Seattle, but Seattle becoming more complete. You, you said that they needed that camp chancellor type with Jamal Adams. They got it. And, uh, this question comes from Rob808ert.


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[Assistant] That says, uh, loved your Seattle D Scheme breakdown where you went through, uh, what makes it, uh, so good and what can make it so good, what makes it vulnerable, but also if you got the players for it makes it tough to crack.


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[Assistant] He says, what are the chancellors of those seven teams? So the other seven teams that you mentioned, like the Cleveland Browns, Jacksonville Jaguars, Indianapolis Colts, the Chargers, Atlanta, San Francisco and Seattle.


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[Assistant] Can you, uh, off the top of your head, can you think who the cam chancellors are from some of those other teams?


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[Assistant] Did you say, uh, I'm sorry, did you, uh, the San Francisco and, uh,


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[Assistant] So you may want to run as a defensive coordinator, as a head coach, you may want to run the Seattle scheme, but if you don't have that cam chancellor type player, like you say, the Colts don't really have, Browns don't have, Jacksonville, I mean, should you?


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[Assistant] Let's wrap up the uh, the 49ers and the Seattle scheme defense talk and uh, one neat little bow here because this question comes from Andrew Holly 12. He said, what defensive scheme would you select for the 49ers and who would you have run it?


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[Assistant] So, uh, Kyle, obviously high in this scheme that you have knocked lately, although we've talked about the Seattle D so much lately here, maybe you're starting to turn a new leaf. Maybe you've talked yourself into it from talking to Kyle, uh, the last, last week here, but what, what kind of defense would you choose for the 49ers and who do you think is the ideal guy to, to head, uh, head the coordination of it?


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[Assistant] We got questions on, uh, on the NFL top 100. We got one on Devontae Adams here. Some more, uh, some more Jade being in your way. We got one on some offense here, but I think we need some company for this conversation. Is that a good idea?


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[Assistant] We'll see. So I see a little picture down in the bottom of the screen here. I'm gonna move my mouse over. This is gonna break our background. We don't really have a three box background for us. Uhm, but I'm gonna, we're gonna do it anyway. So here we go. Let's see if it works.


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[Assistant] Will that make you feel more comfortable if I just do that? I'll just go right with you here.


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[Assistant] Always focused on. Alright, this is coming from Casey Ranger. It's about Patrick Mahomes here. Phil, I'll let you, uh, you respond to this first here. The question is with the NFL top 100 being all player voted, why do you think his peers had Patrick Mahomes ranked as the number three quarterback? So the, the top


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[Assistant] 10 just came out, number 1 was Lamar Jackson, number 2 was Russell Wilson, number 3 was Aaron Donald, and then number 4 overall was Patrick Mahomes. What do you make of that, Phil?


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[Assistant] You know, maybe Patrick Mahomes, he makes your team look silly and he makes huge plays against your team, but that's mostly exposing maybe the corners. I wonder if that's part of it too, that Lamar Jackson just makes so many people look silly out there. It's like, yeah, I don't like playing against that guy at all. He's number one on my list. I don't know if that's part of it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Chris, there was a question out there that, uh, that I don't think we wrote it down here, but I saw when I was producing through the Twitter mentions that kind of compared him, uh, Lamar Jackson to


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[Assistant] To James Harden in a way that is probably not fair, but this idea that James Harden can beat up on the bad teams and his stuff works in the regular season. But then when you really get down to it to the best four teams in football, they're going to have the players and they're going to have the scheme to be able to neutralize.


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[Assistant] Uh, a guy like James Harden. Is there any truth that that kid, that way of thinking could go over to Lamar Jackson and that the best four teams always will have an answer for that kind of player?


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[Assistant] So the vote by the players had him as the, uh, the number one. Uh, Phil, your, your son had a vote for his top 10 wide receivers that created a lot of controversy. Not the wide receivers in the NFL talking with each other, getting mad at each other out there. One of the players he left off, Phil, was, uh, Devontae Adams.


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[Assistant] And this question comes from, uh, Wade Oliver 03. He said, I understand Devonte Adams has Rogers throwing him the ball, but what about in 2017 when Rogers broke his collarbone and Adams proved he can succeed with Hunley as well. So Adams in those eight games started by Brett Hunley at 543 yards.


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[Assistant] And five touchdowns back in 2017. So was your, was your son incorrect in leaving off Devante Adams from his top 10 wide receivers in the, in the NFL list?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and we mentioned it too last time, Phil, that when people crushed Chris for his top 10, they did their own top 10 and they would include like 15 in their top 10. They had a hard time. Hard, hard time pairing it to that. Yeah, it was very difficult.


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[Assistant] Alright, this one comes from Nick Rodriguez Podcast, and this is good. I'm really curious to hear what both of you guys think of that. Chris, we'll start with you on this one. Uh, if you're gonna be an OC, which two offensive minds would you take from?


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[Assistant] So you can take from a couple offensive minds, past or present, I guess. Uhm, who would you take half of a brain from and who would you take the other half the brain from, Chris?


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[Assistant] And I love seeing coaches like that can go out there and evolve too. You know, Kyle's kind of come in with his idea of what he wants to do. And it's not like he hasn't evolved with the different systems he's been in.


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[Assistant] But I got like Sean Payton or Josh McDaniels to see them change what they do. It's so easy to say like we've had success with this. We're going to keep doing this from now until forever, but it's, it's fun to watch those guys, uh, to change and.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, both agreeing on, on Bill Belichick though is half of that brain for the defensive coordinator. And here's a question from Latino NFL.


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[Assistant] That talks about Belichick as the coach. You guys, does Bill Belichick the coach?


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[Assistant] Save Bill Belichick the GM more often than we realize. For example, the Chandler Jones trade was a huge mistake, but because the Pats have won two Super Bowls after it, we don't see it like that. That's an interesting question.


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[Assistant] Because we often credit Bill Belichick for being able to do it all, but do you think the coach has to do a little bit more because the GM doesn't always, uh, make the right move?


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[Assistant] Probably win the, win the division. Now they got Cam Newton, who could be a dark horse MVP candidate. And there are a couple of questions here about perhaps sleeper candidates for the MVP. We got BKurtis112 says, who's your sleeper MVP candidate this season? He said, I'm on the Stafford train. And then we got another one.


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[Assistant] Well, what about the longer shots? And I'm looking here, uhm, Matt Stafford's currently got like plus 4,000 MVP odds. That's tied for 12th with Jimmy G. He got Baker Mayfield right there with him. He got Big Ben there right there with him in that little cluster. So what do you guys think? I think long shot MVP, Chris, I'll start with you.


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[Assistant] Philip Rivers, 60 to 1. Pete chimes in. Current MVP odds tied for 20th. That's a really good one. I hadn't thought of that one.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's, I had not heard that before, and that's for sure. It does, and these players are learning, you know, where's my leverage, right? Is my leverage just being a good soldier and eventually getting paid, or is my leverage trying to make it happen right now? You know, PR, uh, PR battle or whatnot, so that's what some of these players are choosing to do.


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[Assistant] And even when you left there briefly, cause you had a little bit of a delay, he was like, did Chris just leave? And I was like, just go without him, no worry about it. And he just kept on going. You know, nothing threw him off. Shocker, shocker.


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[Assistant] Okay, uh, this one comes from English Red, and I think a lot of people want to hear this, because you've had some, even though you don't like fantasy football, you have some really interesting, uh, theories on players who you think might make a huge impact, and they're normally right.


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[Assistant] You got this knack for it. He goes, will you be doing a fantasy football section of your podcast? I know you've said you can't stand fantasy football, but every year you've shared a couple of rookies you felt can make an immediate impact and it really helped. Uhm, so.


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[Assistant] Are there any players out there, rookies or just first or second year guys that you think, I think in the past, you've said, um, Josh Jacobs for the Raiders and you said you were going to, like, I was on out.


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[Assistant] Same player, I know, I know you talked up Clyde Edwards-Helaire, uh, for the draft and said he'd be a great fit for the Chiefs and then the Chiefs took him, uh, so that became reality. So, so what do you think? Any, any fantasy players out there that you got on your radar right now?


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[Assistant] Yeah, Josh, Josh Norris. Pete is, Pete is chiming in saying Josh Norris is definitely going to make an appearance on the pod in August. Uh, Pete spoke with him today so that we are locking up Josh Norris for a pod, uh, sometime next month.


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[Assistant] So we got a question from Kawai808 that's kind of similar here. Uhm, and so you just talked about a bunch of receivers there. He said, which rookie wide receivers set up for the best season this year? So out of all those guys that you mentioned, and then I'll give you where Rotoworld has some of these rookie wide receivers. They got Henry Ruggs' wide receiver 44.


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[Assistant] C.D. Lamb is wide receiver 47. Rager is 50. Jerry and Judy is 53. Brandon Iuke for the 49ers is 61. So when it's all said and done, which rookie wide receiver do you think has the, has the best year, best numbers?


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[Assistant] You want the team to be good, but not so good that they're not throwing the ball and coming back late in games. And so fantasy, yeah, while it mimics a lot of the reality football, it's not always totally 100%. There, I filibustered for you to give you a little more time to, to give me your top two.


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[Assistant] Alright, you thought that one was tough, trying to narrow down your number one rookie wide receiver for fantasy football. This one's even more difficult.


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[Assistant] You're going to be sweating like me by the time you get done with this one. Uh, NMJ Felix asks, create a SWAT team of five NFL players you would walk with in a zombie apocalypse. You also need a head coach in there.


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[Assistant] So you gotta, you got, you got zombies taking over the world.


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[Assistant] And you've got to form a team, five NFL players, and then add a head coach there to help you navigate the brains of the operation to get you through it.