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[Assistant] Every single NFL team, Will Brinson, Katie Mox here and today we're covering the Washington Commanders with host of Washington Football Talk on NBC Washington along with B. Mitch and Finlay on 1067. The fan JP Finlay. Thank you for joining us today, JP. How you doing?


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, let's talk about that offense a little bit here. What do you think we can expect from an Eric Benamey offense with Ron Rivera running the show?


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[Assistant] For the commanders, at least in the last few seasons, has been the defense and our Pete Prisco.


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[Assistant] Thanks that Washington will be really good. Their defense is here. Do you agree with that assessment?


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[Assistant] Potentially moving forward, like how does this impact the team and do you think that this sale will actually go through by the season start?


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[Assistant] They're begging you to take the over at minus 120, but if you look at total wins in the division, that's at two and a half with the under.


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[Assistant] juice to minus 140 so not looking like they're the books at least think they're going to get three wins in the division now we do know that the NFC East is probably the most powerful division right now in football at least in the NFC uh so


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's hard, it's hard for me to say that they're going to get more than three wins in division, but somehow get seven wins.


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[Assistant] Yes, JP, thank you so much for joining us, guys. Uh, stay tuned for more All 32 Daily Drops in your podcast feed and on YouTube. Uh, JP, again, thank you so much for joining us and good luck to the commanders this year.


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[Assistant] What's up everybody? Welcome to the Pick 6 podcast, CBS NFL podcast. I'm Katie Mox here with John Breach and Will Brinson and today is our schedule release show.


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[Assistant] Thank you for that excitement over there, Brinson. Uh, fellas, the...


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[Assistant] The schedule has been released and they did a big whole show about it. However, Brinson, you tweeted earlier this week too.


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[Assistant] They've leaked so much information already about this. Was it even that exciting tonight that the full release happened since we already knew like 70% of the games?


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[Assistant] No, absolutely not. Alright, so we have the full schedule release now. We know who is going to be playing.


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[Assistant] In week one, and I thought it would be kind of fun if we play a guess the line.


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[Assistant] So I'm gonna throw some games out there at you guys and you will have to guess the line. But before we do guys, remember to like, comment and subscribe on the YouTube page. If you're listening to audio only, make sure you download, follow, leave a five star review and tell your friends to listen and watch the pod.


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[Assistant] Alright, so obviously first game we've got the defending champions, the Kansas City Chiefs versus the Detroit Lions.


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[Assistant] Give me Tim, give me Tim Doyle's hammer. Just so you guys know, I'm keeping a tally of this and whoever has the most correct wins. So one point breach here. Uhm, six and a half.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but to have them under a touchdown versus someone like Detroit who, yes, like you said, vibes are very high, but the proof is not necessarily in the pudding like it is with Casey. Now I will say,


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[Assistant] Kansas City, not great against the spread. They have not been great against the spread in the last few years, but last year they were favored in almost every single game by really high spreads like this as well. But you gotta think opening, opening game, opening night. I'll bet you, I will bet.


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[Assistant] 53 and a half is the total. I would say, from what I've noticed, unders in the very first game are the way to go. Sometimes it takes these offense a little bit of time to get going. First half, unders, I like. 53 and a half seems pretty high, even with the offense that Detroit has been able to put together. I'm gonna throw in real quick.


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[Assistant] The battle of Ohio, the Bengals versus the Browns here, Deshaun Watson, Joe Burrow. What do you think this line is, Breach?


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[Assistant] Okay, okay, uh, this line feels pretty on the nose to me and as it stands right now, I would hammer the bangles here, uh, minus two, under a field goal, under field, totals 46, uh, obviously much lower than Detroit, Kansas City.


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[Assistant] Okay, good to know. Okay, moving on to my bang bang team, the 49ers versus the Pittsburgh Steelers in Pittsburgh.


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[Assistant] But, but Brinson had them favored, so it's, it's Niners minus three, but actually Pittsburgh, uhm,


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[Assistant] I, I, I don't think the defense is taking a step back. I worry more about the offense and the quarterback. Of course.


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[Assistant] Even though I am a 49ers fan, and if it's Brock Purdy, I'd be like, yes, lay the three, but we don't know who it's going to be. If it's Sam Darnold, if it's Trey Lance, what Trey Lance even looks like. So I would actually stay away from this game until we figure out what is happening with the 49ers. This is not one that I would.


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[Assistant] 10 points. It was a rookie quarterback. His first time really starting in a game in a monsoon. And yeah.


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[Assistant] You both get a point. You both get a point because you're both on evenness, but yeah, Jags minus three and a half. Obviously the Colts, uh,


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[Assistant] And they did win a lot of single possession games last year. They were actually really good against the spread, right? They were like 14 and 4 or 14 and 3 or whatever it was. They were really good against the spread. Uh, but the thing with the Giants are is that they had no expectations


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[Assistant] Last year. And so they were underdogs in a lot of games. They ended up winning outright in a lot of those. Had a great cover percentage.


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[Assistant] There's expectations on them this year. It's not the same thing. So, and, and, and Dallas, oh, in New York.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, I guess I would, I guess I would lean, I've just talked myself into this, I guess I would lean Giants, plus the two and a half, but I don't know.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I would take the Seattle Seahawks minus the five and a half.


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[Assistant] Versus the Rams. I have almost no expectations for the Rams this year. The vibes are high for Seattle. Uh, Geno Smith coming into his second year as a starter just got paid. Rams to me are still in shambles and the Seahawks actually, you know, have the Rams number a lot of the time. So give me the Seahawks minus the five and a half versus the Rams.


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[Assistant] That's okay. So let's go ahead and take a break, but before we do the Champions League on Paramount Plus is down to the final four teams and two epic semi-final matches. Kareem? Z-Zumo? Zumo? Okay.


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[Assistant] Alright, and defending champs Real Madrid take on Erling Holland and the tournament favorite Manchester City in a rematch of last year's thrilling semi-final. Plus it's a clash of Italian titans as Inter squares off against AC Milan in a battle for city bragging rights.


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[Assistant] Welcome back to the Pick Six Podcast. If you're not following us on social, do that now at Pick Six Pod across all social media platforms. Breach, you are not the only one to butcher a name because I had no idea what that soccer player's name was. Sorry about that to him.


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[Assistant] Alright, moving on. Brinson Revenge Games. Brinson, you said you're writing an article on CBSsports.com about these revenge games. First one you like, Eagles at Chiefs. Talk to us.


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[Assistant] Early lean for this game though, obviously we got to see how the season goes. But when you look at what both teams have done in the offseason so far, Brinson, Chiefs or Eagles?


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[Assistant] Yep, love it. Next revenge game that Brinson would like to point out is the Jets at Cowboys. Aaron Rodgers, Dak Prescott, Aaron Rodgers first time in the AFC. Brinson.


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[Assistant] Early opening line for the Bengals at Chiefs is three and a half.


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[Assistant] Favouring the Chiefs, which of course makes sense considering they're the defending champions, but Burrow is the only quarterback who has beaten Patrick Mahomes three times, which is interesting. And then Brinson, you and I were on Spotlight earlier this week talking about how we are robbed of Tyreek Hill going back to Arrowhead.


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[Assistant] Oh no, I'm looking at the wrong, I'm looking at the wrong thing. Uh, five and a half. Five and a half.


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[Assistant] Okay, any thoughts on this one, Breach?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I think for the family members of the 49ers, it's definitely overkill for the fans. We love it. We're all sitting around watching it anyways. I love going to the games. For a while, the 49ers had the, uhm,


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[Assistant] The Thanksgiving games, we always had it against Seattle. And I remember we had like a big tailgate with my family because we were ticket holders for a long time. My family still has, I obviously live out here on the East Coast now and we made deep fried a turkey. I made these floral arrangements that look like football and we had like a real Thanksgiving dinner in a parking lot. And so I think if you're a true fan, you love it. You love when your teams play on a holiday, but I think for their actual families.


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[Assistant] It is a little bit, uhm, of a hindrance. Panthers at Texans, that was your last revenge game before we take a break and you can watch hockey. So tell us.


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[Assistant] That actually should be number one. I don't think anybody wants more revenge than Frank, Frank Wright. Alright, who are you picking in that game? I don't know what the line is, but who wins? Uh, Frank Wright.


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[Assistant] Okay, on that note, we are going to take a quick break. You're watching Pick 6 and we will be right back.


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[Assistant] Welcome back to the Fake Six Podcast. I'm Katie Mox here with John Breach and Will Brinson. Today is our scheduled release show. Make sure you keep it locked with us all week to stay up to date on NFL offseason news. Remember to like, comment, subscribe on the YouTube page.


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[Assistant] Alright, we talk a lot about, uh, you know, when percentage and how that affects the schedule the next year. Brinson, what is the most intriguing?


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[Assistant] Win percentage or strength of schedule that you've seen.


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[Assistant] Alright, how about the other side of it? The easiest schedule in the NFL based on opponent, uh, 2022 win percentage is the Falcons. How high are you on how well the Falcons will do?


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[Assistant] It goes, uh, Falcon Saints Texans.


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[Assistant] All right, Breach, you are our Christmas correspondent, our weather correspondent, and now I'm going to peg you as the travel correspondent as well. When you look at the most miles traveled


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[Assistant] 942 next season, same with the Packers, just around there as well.


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[Assistant] How much does travel and miles factor in to winning games?


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[Assistant] Uh, Clarence in the chat has said any team's doing that two time zone thing. How does that betting angle work again? Do y'all know what he's talking about?


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[Assistant] On the lookout for that. Okay, before we get out of here, we've talked about the strength of schedule, we've talked about revenge games, but what about for our personal teams?


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[Assistant] What's the one game that you're looking forward to the most? I will start, obviously. I'm looking forward to the rematch with the Eagles because I'm tired of you Eagles fans in the chat and Billy specifically.


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[Assistant] Acting like the NFC championship game without a quarterback.


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[Assistant] Didn't mean anything. So hopefully by the time we get to week 13, we have rock party. We get a real rematch between these two teams. That is what I'm looking forward to the most. Breach, what about you for the Bengals?


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[Assistant] But you have family that lives, or you lived in San Francisco Bay Area for a while, right?


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[Assistant] Actually real quick, Brinson and I talked about this on HQ earlier this week, but the Jags have the two games in London, which means with the way that the Florida Georgia game is and having the bye weeks that


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[Assistant] The Jaguar fans could go two whole months without seeing their team play at home. They're the only team that has six home games. That's it. So, well, Brinson, yea, I want to know what you think about this, but Breach.


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[Assistant] Alright guys, well, uh, that is going to do it for us today on behalf of Breach and Brinson and myself. Thank you for rocking with us. Make sure you keep it locked next week at 1pm for more off-season coverage. Remember to like, comment, and subscribe on the YouTube page. If you're listening to audio only, do the same. Download, leave a five-star review, and tell your friends to listen and watch the pod. We'll see you next week.


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[Assistant] What's up everybody? Welcome back to the fake six podcast and our all 32 series, Will Brinson and Katie Mox here. This is the series where we catch you up with insiders.


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[Assistant] To give you the need to know information on every NFL team. And today we're diving into the Green Bay Packers with Cheesehead TV co-founder and Packers insider, Aaron Nagler. Nagler, there's nobody else that we would want to talk to if we're talking Packers here. So thank you for joining us.


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[Assistant] So you talk about this offensive line being good. We've talked about getting some weapons for Jordan Love, looking at some of his future's passing yards over under 3,200 and a half.


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[Assistant] Uh, regular season passing touchdowns, 21 and a half.


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[Assistant] Alright, I love to hear that. We're going to take a quick break here. More Packers futures when we come back. And I'd also like to know where the best cheese curds are in Wisconsin. You're watching Pick Six, we'll be right back.


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[Assistant] Alright, Brince and I are back here with Erin Nagler and I posed the question before the break, who has the best cheese curds and is it Culver's?


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[Assistant] Nicolair, I wanna point something out. Earlier this morning, the Packers were plus 500 to win the division, but right now on Caesar's, plus 420!


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[Assistant] Neiggs, before we let you get out of here though, Packers win total 7.5 to make the playoffs plus 170. How do we feel about these?


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[Assistant] Well, I am rooting for Jordan Love here. That is going to do it for our Packers preview. Thanks to Aaron Nagler. Stay tuned for more. All 32 with Daily Drops in your podcast feed and on YouTube. Make sure that you like, comment and subscribe on this YouTube page and you can catch Nagler on Cheesehead TV. We'll see you next time.


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[Assistant] Or, or, or me on a Sunday, like Sunday podcast over at NC State home game, like we were, we were beating Notre Dame in that hurricane. Uh, yeah. Anyway, I think, I think that the thing with Jokic.


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[Assistant] It's a little bit like Brooks Koepker, right? He's like, I'm not, I mean, not in the same sense. You know, the Brooks are just like, I don't love, I don't love it. Like, I don't love golf. You know, like, I don't love golf. Like I love, but he likes other stuff better. And that's okay. It's okay not to like, you don't have to be like, well, we won.


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[Assistant] I mean, of course, jokers probably gonna get drunk at the parade, but the dude would like, he'd like to go home just like everybody would like to go home.


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[Assistant] That's actually where Bob Baffert is. Yoko just hired him to roid up his horses enough so that he can actually ride. Like they can be strong enough to carry the, the reigning, the two time MVP and now world champion.


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[Assistant] When, or Ace Ventura Pet Detective, when Jim Carrey punches the, uh, Eagles mascot, right? Like, there's a giant, giant head, right? He smacks the bird in the face of the Eagles Dolphins hypothetical Super Bowl. And, but like, that's like a big,


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[Assistant] You know, like there's a protective layer there. This is like almost like a little tiny like hat or like hood that he's wearing on his face.


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[Assistant] I mean, not cause I think he's a terrible mascot. He's a pretty solid mascot. But I mean, like just my personal, I like to punch that little leprechaun of yours.


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[Assistant] By the way, we did make a, we did make a, uhm, we did, speaking of how close Notre Dame is, we took a party bus from Chicago to South Bend. It's not, I mean it's just not that far. At that point in time I did want to punch that leprechaun, I'll say that.


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[Assistant] I'm sorry, I was going to say like the Ace Ventura scene, like I always think about that and like, I'm not saying like maybe you can make it a different bird. Don't have to be the, it's not like this. I mean, it's not the Eagles per se, but like you just see, he gets that full like fist and just like while it gets one, two punts on that Eagles mascot and then just tackles him. It's like,


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[Assistant] You also, I mean, as you pointed out, like, you know, you can find guys in later rounds that, I mean, you know.


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[Assistant] You can make a deeper dive argument about the necessity of the NFL salary cap and whether or not it's like owners preferring to keep it.


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[Assistant] Well, I think it's because the shelf life of running backs and the, the way that sort of analytics have, and it's not, it's not like heavy analytics. It's just NFL running backs don't last a long time. Nerd.


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[Assistant] Um, but like you, so there's certain value. There's certain touches that have been shown analytically that impact the longevity of an NFL running back career more than other ones. For instance, if you pound somebody up the middle between the tackles 50 times versus throwing a swing pass, 50 swing passes.


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[Assistant] The guy who's catching the 50 swing passes is taking a way less of an impact on his body or at least the percent chance that he's taking way less of an impact on his body than the guy running between the tackles. Now part of that is who you're being tackled by. Part of that is what you're running the possibility of incidental contact and like a, you know, like a lower leg injury, something like that.


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[Assistant] And just sort of like the physicality of that brunt, like that blunt force in that short area versus a running back who can catch the ball. Like Christian McCaffrey catch the ball out in the open space.


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[Assistant] Make some moves and then duck out of bounds, right? I mean, it's just, you're just going to take more hits. And so that I think is part of the problem too, where if you have a running back who is more of a pass catcher.


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[Assistant] It's pretty rare that they go really early in the draft. Like McCaffrey is like an exception, right? We're a guy who's that size, um, to do that. Like you're just going to, you're never going to see like a Darren sprawls and Austin Eckler type, even though they can run between the tackles go that early. And so I think there's this,


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[Assistant] It's the guys who are the feature backs. Hell, Derek Henry won the second round, right? Like that's, I mean, that's, you know, it's crazy. And you, we, we still have big, we knew we knew his production in college. It's the guys who were the feature backs.


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[Assistant] Are dinged because they don't catch the ball, but they're also dinged because they run up the middle and you know, the longevity of their careers are just not going to be as long. And so that's the issue.


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[Assistant] Correct. So it's like a five year deal is essentially a three year deal at the NFL, four year deals, a two year deal. And like, you know, it's, there's just, there's all kinds of dummy years built in the backend. Uh, I would note that. So, uh, if you had to guess how many teams do you think last year it's actually higher than I thought were like above 40%, uh, run.


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[Assistant] No, 49ers were 46%. They were above, yea, but they're 46%.


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[Assistant] That's right. 51%. The only team above 50%. The only team with a greater rush rate than a pass rate last year. The Bears at 48%, but you got to factor in Justin Fields running that. What would you do there?


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[Assistant] That's what I was getting at. It's like now that the league has gone to 60-40 minimum or basically on average 60-40 in terms of pass to run ratio, you just, you're not going to see teams investing in running backs as much as whites. The interesting like kind of counterpoint to this too is if you draft a running back in the first round,


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[Assistant] You could organizationally say and no, you wouldn't want to do top five. I don't think, but let's say top 10 or top 20. You say we're drafting this guy.


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[Assistant] He's going to play out his contract. We're going to pick up his fifth year option and we're going to franchise tag him once and then we're just going to let him walk.


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[Assistant] And like you could tell, I mean, you don't tell him that ahead of time because he's going to want to deal after, you know, when he's eligible, but like, that's not the craziest way to approach it. If you have a true like feature back, but even then you end up in a situation where, you know, Josh Jacobs is like,


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[Assistant] I don't think but like Barkley wants a contract, right? I mean all these guys who perform really well want the contracts and it's it becomes a case where because running back is so fantasy football centric and so popular with a fan base that it's difficult to walk away from a running back in some of these spots. Look at Davin Cook, Joe Mixon. I mean all these different guys who


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[Assistant] There's pressure on the front office to, because he's, the running backs are extremely popular with fans.


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[Assistant] He does like, uh, what was the one where he dresses up as like a babysitter too, or like, or like whatever.


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[Assistant] The, um, the other thing too is like, you now see Sean McVay, uh, Brandon Staley both do this. No preseason whatsoever. Although Brandon Staley oddly enough, like played his guys in a meaningless game in week 18. Uh, but the point being is that I think coaches have sort of look around and see how


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[Assistant] To Brady's point, risk reward. If you play your guys in preseason, if you run a hard in practice, not only are you going to risk injury,


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[Assistant] You're going to risk the possibility that these guys might be like, like go up against a team that isn't, you know, that it's going to come in fresh and you know, like, and so I think, I think that's a, you're also dealing with.


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[Assistant] Professionals and then when you talk about the depth, you have professionals versus amateurs, you know, young college kids who are typically going to be less inclined to get to do what their younger kids are going to be less inclined to do what they're supposed to do when they're not there in order to be ready for the game. And then the other thing to Nick Saban.


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[Assistant] If he runs Jamir Gibbs into the ground and Jamir Gibbs gets hurt. Well, guess what? There's another five star right behind him at the NFL. You don't have that. You don't have that. Like, you know, you look at Josh Jacobs, they ran him into the preseason late lad. He played in the hall of fame game in the second half last year. It's like, dude, if he gets hurt, you got nobody else. Everybody thought they were cutting him or trading him because of that.


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[Assistant] You know, it's called a rookie mistake for a reason.


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[Assistant] Wait, it makes sense. I mean, it makes sense if you think about it, like in the NFL, you were a paid professional.


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[Assistant] If you, if you continually show up and fail to do your, fail to execute your job responsibilities and fail to like do the stuff off the field to be ready to, for game day, to be ready for your job.


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[Assistant] Your bosses are going to take notice and you're not going to get paid like you every in the NFL. You're looking for that contract in college. You're like trying to grind through class like you've got classes. You've got football like you're doing all this stuff as you know as an amateur and it changed a little bit obviously with NIL but you're


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[Assistant] There's, there's just the, you look at college coaches too and you see the guys who do it like the Nick Saban types who have the heavy structure and the, like the, you know, the, they just, it's more of a grind than it is in the NFL where again, everyone is expected to show up and be professional about their job.


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[Assistant] Well, I would say too, the, um, you know, with the, we're talking about the union.


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[Assistant] The union has made a difference in terms of how these guys approach it too because the there's there's no union in college football saying you can't practice as much like off season activities have been shrunk back a lot from the last.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was, yeah, I was just looking at the, um, so since the new CBA came along, I mean, just for, you know, 2011, you go back and do it. If you went back in 2013 instead, if you wanted, um, we've got cam Newton, RG three, Dak Prescott.


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[Assistant] Kyle Murray, Justin Harvard. So five quarterbacks have won it. The wide receivers won it the last two years. Garrett Wilson and Jamar chase. We also had Odell Beckham in 2014. I think when you look at those


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[Assistant] Production, uh, one last year, not a very good rookie classes. I mean, like a good rookie class, but not like an insane rookie class and Garrett Wilson had a ton of yards and there were no good. It was a really bad rookie quarterback class. Excuse me.


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[Assistant] And so I think that's your, that's your example there. Jamar chased leapfrog Mac Jones at the last second in 2021, uh, with that monster game against Casey in like week 16, I think. And then Odell Beckham, remember, missed like the first four to six games in 2014 and came on, had the catch, had an insane season. The Giants made that run. And so when you look at the wide receiver market,


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[Assistant] I'd rule them out. I wouldn't even mess with the wide receivers. It's going to take a special special season for the for a wide receiver to do that. We don't have a true alpha in this class. You look at the quarterbacks who won again. It could have been Mac Jones. Herbert had an insane season. Kyler Murray. Josh Jacobs had a better season and Kyler Murray still beat him out.


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[Assistant] Zeke Elliott probably had a better season than Dak Prescott and Dak Prescott still beat him out on the same team.


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[Assistant] Cam Newton and RG3 had, had monster years. So you look at it and quarterback is most likely to win if a quarterback is successful. And if the team is successful, cause you look at those teams, like RG3 went to the playoffs. Dak obviously went to the playoffs. Uh, Herbert, I think, uh, his rookie year they win.


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[Assistant] I might have won five or six games. I didn't win a ton, I don't think. Kyler's team wasn't good, and Kam's team won six games, but like, you don't have to win a ton of games as a quarterback to win this award.


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[Assistant] You basically have to be top three or top five and rushing in the NFL in order to win rookie of the year if you're a running back. So for my money, I mean, I think I agree. It's the quarterbacks like Bryce and CJ Stroud. Bryce in particular is in such a good spot in Carolina with a bad division, a team that is not, you know, number one overall pick bad around him and


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[Assistant] You know, this floor that he's got, even at four to one, I think is a pretty good value. He should really be the favorite in my mind.


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[Assistant] Rushing for Kyler Murray, his rookie season, obviously cam Newton and RG three had historical rookie years. Justin Herbert had 235 yards rushing and five rushing touchdowns as a rookie and then Dak with the Cowboys that in that year in 2016 had 282 rushing yards and six rushing touchdowns. So


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[Assistant] And he has big rushing numbers and looks like a freak athlete out there. Even, you know, you have to be concerned about the passing accuracy. Like he could, he could definitely get there. So I would probably go of these, probably go Bryce and Richardson. I don't hate trial because I really like to text it. I just sprinkled all three quarterbacks and see, and I think you'd probably come away with the winner in one of those three sprinkle.


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[Assistant] Remember these comments by Corvin? This is like back in uhm.


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[Assistant] No, it's 2020 after the Hopkins trade. Um, Michael Irvin said he's like, he said he talked to Hopkins. He said, uh, basically Hopkins told Irvin that he, that Bill O'Brien thought Hopkins had too much influence over the locker room and he called him in a meeting to hash it out and


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[Assistant] This is how I get Hopkins is telling. He said he told you under Hopkins. He said, hey, the last time I had to have a meeting like this, it was with Aaron Hernandez.


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[Assistant] And now, and now D'Andrea Hawkins did tweet and said, this is being blown away to proportion. I've said before, I've enjoyed him proud of my time with the Texans. I have the utmost respect for Coach O'Brien. That will not change. Now I'm ready to play for the Cardinals rather for being traded and being paid.


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[Assistant] I think I'd rather back the Titans with Hopkins. Like they Hopkins would shift the Titans on substantially more, you know, like he, um, well, just because.


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[Assistant] Like the Titans could catch the Jaguars. It's hard to fathom a situation where the Patriots beat.


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[Assistant] Uh, it shouldn't be much more than that. Jaguars up to like 150 or something like that. Uh, the Patriots 10 to one, they would move down maybe nine to one, maybe with the Hopkins signing the bills, the bills and the jets won't budge off that though. If you see the jets kind of climb back up. And obviously we know this podcast is single handling, move the bills from 135 to 125.


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[Assistant] I don't actually think Barclay can get fined for this because he hasn't signed his tender.


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[Assistant] In 2011, remember Daryl Rivas, the king of holdouts, uh, you know, managed to like, you know, find his, managed to find a way to like, would skip, you know, skip and demand a new contract. We get a new contract. We covered, we covered the, and maybe it was even like after, maybe it was later in 2011 when they really started to crank up the fines for it.


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[Assistant] You know, we covered these holdouts like crazy. Like it would be a big thing. Now it's a, it is the hold in. I mean, that's what, that's what these guys do. They show up and they, as Brady points out, they, they don't practice and they're there. They're letting the team know that they, they don't want to deal with.


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[Assistant] Having to negotiate that part of the fine. They don't have to negotiate that. Like the deal is negotiating the fine when they figure out a way to do a deal.


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[Assistant] And sometimes that can be indicative of the relationship, either the relationship between the player and the team slash coach slash, you know, offensive coordinator slash GM or whatever.


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[Assistant] Or the agent. Yeah. Or, or the style of the team in case, because they may simply say, all right, say Kwan, you are, I mean, uh, excuse me, uh, Stefan, you are, uh, you're, you're, you can't practice cause you have a toe injury.


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[Assistant] You know, or something like that. And you just, we're holding him out because he has a, you know, he tweaked his, tweaked his knee or something like that. And you can, and he can just sit on the sidelines and shout, you know, and just hang out.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, the uh, the deadcap hits for a trade the next two years are pretty...


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[Assistant] It's pretty much a non-starter. It's really good stuff. You're not, you're certainly not going to cut him. Um, it would need to be like a trade and like, or like a restructure and then a trade or something like that. I mean, I would think it has to do.


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[Assistant] To your point Brady, it's either gotta be like an Alan thing, a McDermott thing, a Ken Dorsey thing, like this has popped up recently, you know, is it, is it usage in Ken Dorsey's, what Ken Dorsey's running or is it, or is it the realization that


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[Assistant] He's got two years left on his deal. He's got five years left on his deal.


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[Assistant] But really two years left on his deal and he might hit the open market at like 32 or 33. Like does he want, does he, is he realizing this is going to be, this is the, I'm in my prime.


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[Assistant] The back end of my primish, right? It means 29, 30. Like does he think this is his last chance to really get a big bite of the apple and renegotiate his contract? And he wants to do that before the season starts.


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[Assistant] Well, remember Diggs is, Diggs is a fairly mercurial like fellow. Like he, you know, in Minnesota, this same sort of thing happened before he got dealt to Buffalo and like he, you know, maybe he's, maybe he's one of those dudes. There's, there's just people who like Jim Harbaugh, right? Like guys who.


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[Assistant] But yea, it's his alma mater. He's decided to stick around there because he can't give NFL interest, if you know what I'm saying.


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[Assistant] I love Jim Harbaugh, I'm not knocking him, I'm saying like, just sometimes, like, maybe


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[Assistant] Metallica, not really a big mega desk. I like everything.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you had to put a couple of clams on one of these two, which way are you going? I ultimately went Allen. You know, I'm just not convinced that the Bills run game is going to be all that. I'm not convinced that the offensive line is going to be exponentially better. Uhm, I'm not convinced that Josh Allen isn't going to sort of default to that.


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[Assistant] That mode of like, I've just got to do everything I possibly can in the moment to try to make this play and win that game. I do feel like the Bengals can be a little more balanced. I think the Bengals may have a chance to sit on the ball more maybe than the Bills.


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[Assistant] And I, yeah, I just kind of feel like Joe Burrow's at a stage of his career where he's been to a Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I'm not sure either of these guys actually brings home the chalice here, but uh, Will, I will go Josh Allen.


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[Assistant] I just, I don't buy the Chargers defense. Like, and I don't totally buy Brandon Staley, and I think Herbert's gonna be chasing way more games and having to sort of try to be a second half superhero than Mahomes.


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[Assistant] I also tracked this all through last year. If you go back to when Pacheco came on the scene, like,


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[Assistant] Andy Reid went from a guy bottom five in the league and percentage of running the ball to creeping up into the top half of the league.


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[Assistant] Then most people are going to play and they've already been doing that for a couple years and that stuff tends to load up on you and then you look at, you know, what my homes went through physically last year.


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[Assistant] I just think that Herbert's gonna have to cut it loose time and time and time again to chase games to try to get them into the playoffs. I don't really buy anybody else in that division. I think the Chiefs win this running away. They may even be able to sit in the homes for a week or two late in the year. I gotta go Herbert here.


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[Assistant] This was the easiest one for me by far. Uhm, I understand Tua is taking like, what, like Kung Fu and Judo to try to fall better, this or that. But I mean, Trevor Lawrence is kind of built like an ox. Uhm, and Tua's not.


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[Assistant] I just think if we're gonna talk about something like a gross yardage, full season statistical category, it all starts with availability. And I think, uhm, Doug Peterson and Trevor Lawrence are onto a really good thing there.


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[Assistant] They add a Ridley into the mix, right? Like it was looking really good second half of last year. I think it could be even better.


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[Assistant] They play in a division against a lot of Fugezi teams where even if Trevor Lawrence isn't playing.


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[Assistant] The fourth quarter, right? He could do enough damage in the first half that he already fills up the box score. I think you're talking about a much more difficult challenge in the division for Tua. And I have serious concerns about Tua's ability to get through.


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[Assistant] An entire season. So for me, this was kind of a layup. I'm team Lawrence all the way here.


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[Assistant] So Herbert here, I, I, it's a contract year for him, right? We don't think he's getting extended before the year. We do think Burrow is, um, it's a desperate coach. Um, he doesn't have Sean Payton moving over his shoulder anymore, but you, you could, you know, there's plenty of people who'd be lining up to coach Trevor Lawrence.


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[Assistant] We all know Austin Eckler's a hell of a back, but he couldn't, he was getting destroyed in the backfield last year. You know, like, they couldn't run the ball even with Austin Eckler. I'm not sure they're that much better offensive line-wise this year.


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[Assistant] I, I just think they're gonna be a team that has to try to run up the score to try to protect that defense. And I think unlike a lot of old school defensive coaches who would default to running the ball, or even what Will was talking about, McDermott trying to get more balanced. I think, you know, Brandon Stanley, Mr. Aggressive, or I guess for one year, not so much last year,


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[Assistant] I don't think this was ever a huge part of Lamar's game. He's not really great in the sneak situations. He has trouble gripping the football sometimes. They've had a lot of bad luck and bogged down in short yardage situations the Ravens have the last few years, especially when it's come to design stuff for the quarterback.


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[Assistant] In a, in a weak NFC, are they able to sort of sit on the ball a bunch, play the back up in the second half of games, just maybe pull hurts out? Where in the AFC, it's such a dog fight, I, I don't know that the Ravens are gonna have that luxury. So,


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[Assistant] Money in that. And I think, again, people get caught up in... Kyle Shanahan is thought of as a QB guru. He's had more misses than hits. Many more misses.


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[Assistant] They've got a back who does it as well as anybody. I don't think, especially if he has to go with Trey Lance early in the season.


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[Assistant] I'm going Breece Hall here and I understand there's always a little bit of trepidation coming off injury, but it happened relatively early in the season. He's a young guy, not much tread on his tires. And I, I, look, I'm very cynical about Aaron Rodgers at this stage of his career and who he is and who he's been showing people he is really since


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[Assistant] The last 3-4 weeks of the 2021 season slash postseason, uhm, I think he's very content to rely on high percentage plays and let other people do the work.


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[Assistant] He loved the fact that they had two running backs and really if you go back and like watch and listen to some of what he was saying like in through the middle of the season when you know he had his outsies and his boo-boos.


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[Assistant] I don't think this thing is getting built up really quickly. I really don't know what to make of them as an offensive. In Houston? I'm sorry? In Houston? Yea, I mean, I just, I like Hall in this situation.


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[Assistant] Don't buy anything Titans related right now. I think that that ownership group is kind of in a, uh, maybe I was gonna say stealth. Maybe it's even not so stealthy, but I think they are in tank mode and they want to have that thing.


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[Assistant] From the state of Tennessee and the city of Nashville and everybody else. I'm not convinced that Tannahill's there by...


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[Assistant] To catch up. And I think even if Tannahill's there, I don't, I don't think they're a very good football team. And so at some point, you know what I mean? Are you looking at door number two or whatever? So, uh,


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[Assistant] I'll go with the Colts here, uhm, I'll go with Taylor, uh, uh, he's younger, uhm, I know he's been dinged up recently, but I just have, I think the Titans are...


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[Assistant] Going to be a bottom 10 team in this league, maybe a bottom 5 team in this league. I, I think that...


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[Assistant] That ownership has decided that that sort of iteration of who they were.


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[Assistant] Is over and we're now in this like abyss until we figure out the next version.


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[Assistant] And you, you also no longer have the honky tonk man picking the quarterback from week to week. You know what I mean? Firing the coach mid-season and bringing in a guy who had no business being anywhere close to an NFL sideline. You know what I mean? So I think that plus Taylor being back. He's a leader of men, JLC, a leader of men. Then the team goes into tank mode, right? Everybody's kind of like, all right, let's just get to 2023.


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[Assistant] This one seems pretty easy to me because one team is in super bowl or bus mode and again I think the other team is completely open for business on the trade front. Now maybe Derrick Henry gets to a contender and then has this amazing


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[Assistant] That's better than what a bunch of quarterbacks are doing.


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[Assistant] But they're still among the elite in the NFC and I think they would be just based on the rest of the roster and how poor that conference is.


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[Assistant] And like, I don't know man, they're creating, he scored touchdowns out of a wildcat, you know, like they're, they're,


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[Assistant] Kyle is letting it all hang out. And he's clearly the best offensive player on one of the five best teams in football. And they're doing it without quality quarterback play.


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[Assistant] Like, I mean, let's be real, this day and age, for somebody other than a quarterback or maybe a receiver to get this, it's gonna take extenuating circumstances. I can't come up with nearly enough for Derrick Henry and anything that's going on in Tennessee that I could.


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[Assistant] Again, I think we have to look at like the quality of the team, you know what I mean? How they're thought of, the gauntlet that the Bengals would have to run through versus the Vikings.


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[Assistant] Oh, that stuff doesn't count. They pad their stats. It's Kirk Cousins, right? He's a compiler.


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? Gonzo like that. Like, could I see?


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[Assistant] Choke burrow, maybe this offensive line isn't that great, right? Orlando Brown's better run blocker than pass.


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[Assistant] Like, I could create a grizzly script where Joe Burrow misses six weeks, eight weeks. The pickle persevere in the AFC. You know what I mean? And nobody can stop Jamar Chase. The quarterback is, you know what I mean? We've taken the Joe Burrow part out of the equation for some period of time. Maybe it's only four weeks and I'm rooting for none of this.


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[Assistant] If I'm going to put my hard earned money on either of these propositions, I'm going to chase eight days a week over Jefferson.


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[Assistant] You know, like, he can, he can help you between the 20s, but you don't trust him throwing the ball in the red zone, right? You're trying to play ball control. You, you take it out of his hands, you keep it simple, stupid, you, you, you know, you bring in the jumbo, uh,


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[Assistant] Relatively healthy, you know, that's a huge sign. All these weapons he's never had before, like, there's actually depth in the wide receiver room.


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[Assistant] I mean, this is an organization who, until they signed Odell Beckham, Michael Crabtree was the highest paid receiver.


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[Assistant] So they've shed their skin in a lot of ways, and they've done some things that philosophically they wouldn't do before. You know, Saquon Barkley, like... I don't even like...


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[Assistant] The tag that Lamar got on Daniel Jones and they should have just let Barkley hit the market and they'd have been in a much better spot. I don't understand how they played it that way.


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[Assistant] You know, that might not be the worst play in the world. He or Lamar, I just feel like the value there for a quarterback in that range who are dual threats, you know, versus some of the other guys in that field who rely on somebody else to get them the ball. They don't have the ball in their hands as much. I would go with one of those two.


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[Assistant] Hello and welcome to the Pick 6 Podcast, CBS NFL Podcast. I'm Katie Mox here with John Breach and Brady Quinn and today we recap the NFL Draft with


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[Assistant] BQ! Make sure you stay tuned with us all week long. Brinson is on vacation, but we still have all the off-season news that you need. Remember to like, comment, and subscribe on the YouTube page, and if you're listening to audio only, download, follow, leave a five-star review, and tell your friends to listen and watch the pod.


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[Assistant] Okay, well, uh, well, it's breechy, but I think I need to come up with something better for him, but I've actually updated Brinson. It was the Brinsonator, and now he's the Brinstigator, because he's constantly instigating things, which I do feel like is more appropriate for him.


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[Assistant] Alright, well we recapped, uh, the show a little bit yesterday, but obviously we want to get your take on this BQ. One of the biggest storylines, of course, is Levis sliding to the second round. The sportsbooks


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[Assistant] Absolutely cleaned up on this because so many people went heavy on Levis in, uh, for the first pick overall actually because of that Reddit post, but what did you make of this? Was it surprising to you that he slid so far?


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[Assistant] The families being around and how they're not prepared for this, because I asked you before, I was like, are you looking at these mock drafts? Are you reading the news? And you said, no, we keep that out of our minds and we just focus on the job at hand. And the family probably is.


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[Assistant] Reading those articles and they maybe have these expectations that you're going to go pretty high and then you don't. And I did see the pain on the family's face. He opted not to go to the second day of the draft. When you finally get that call, does everything just go away though and you're just happy to have been drafted or are you still kind of holding on to, I wish I would have gone in these spots where I thought I was going to go?


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[Assistant] So there were four quarterbacks taken in the first round, obviously Young, Stroud, then you got Levis, uhm, and Richardson, so actually Levis was in the second round. What do you make of where these guys ended up and the teams that drafted them and how do you think they're going to do?


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[Assistant] Well the other big news of the draft was of course the Texans moved up to the number three spot. Big controversial, we had Sully on yesterday who actually graded them a C, not because of the picks that they got or who they drafted, but because of how much they had to give up for him.


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[Assistant] And, uh, and what that does to their drafts moving forward. What did you think of that situation?


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[Assistant] When you look at their win total, you said obviously they're going to do better next year. It's only set to five and a half. Is this Texans team now at least a six win team?


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[Assistant] Go Houston. Alright, we are going to take a quick break, but the chat right now is fighting over Aaron Rodgers, so I just want to touch on this really quick. Aaron Rodgers now in New York, throwing the ball, going to Rangers games, going to Knicks games, clean cut, dressed well.


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[Assistant] What do you guys think of this version, this Jets version of Aaron Rodgers? Cause I gotta say, he's looking pretty good.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it is appreciated on this side. Alright, we are gonna take a quick break, but before we do, how should you feel about your team's latest draft picks? The With the First Pick podcast is your source for comprehensive draft coverage and pick breakdowns with CBS.


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[Assistant] And after that, the draft chatter does not stop on Saturday. Stay tuned for a team by team draft grade and early look at who your team could be eyeing next year. Download and follow with the first pick podcast wherever you find this one. This is pick six and we'll take a quick break.


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[Assistant] Welcome back to the Pick Six Podcast. Make sure you're following us on social at Pick Six Pod across all social media platforms. And we are going to continue with our Brady Quinn breakdown of the draft. BQ, are you shocked that running backs went so early? Any change from recent years there?


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[Assistant] Uh, running back or usually does, but they didn't and they drafted a kicker in the third round. That's 49ers. What did you think of the Niners getting Moody the kicker in the third round?


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[Assistant] It was an interesting choice, but they have to believe in him. And I don't know if you guys watched the audio of Kyle Shanahan when he was talking and he's like, look,


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[Assistant] That's how much we believe in you. That's how much we want you. We, we could have taken a running back, but we took a kicker. So that's how highly we think of you. So if that's what they like, that's what I like, but.


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[Assistant] I never would have thought that a kicker was gonna go, uh, that quickly.


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[Assistant] Well, especially going after Robbie Gold, who was very successful for us, and clutch in the playoffs. There is a lot of pressure, like you said, Breach, on, uh, this kid. So hopefully, I am, uh,


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[Assistant] Don't worry about it, but hopefully that goes well. So Brady, let's talk about how many people tuned into the draft. And last week you had said you didn't love that it moved to Thursday in prime time. 54 million viewers, 300,000 in attendance.


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[Assistant] Let's go. I will go as well, just for fun. Okay, uhm, let's talk about the Arizona, what Arizona did. They had the number three overall. We always thought that they were going to draft back with that. Obviously they gave it to the Texans or traded with the Texans. Then they moved up with Detroit, ended up getting, uh, Paris Johnson. What do you think Arizona's draft plan was?


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[Assistant] You talked about their win total. It's set at five and a half of the under juice to minus 150 over plus money plus 130. If you think they can get at least six wins, what better you take in there, Brady?


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[Assistant] Welcome back to the fake six podcast. I'm Katie Mox here with Breachy and BQ. And today we recap the NFL draft with Brady Quinn. Make sure you keep it locked with us all week long to stay up to date with all your NFL off season news. And remember to like comment and subscribe on the YouTube page. All right. This is going to get Billy very excited. Producer Billy.


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[Assistant] What do you make of this? Has he set the tone for how drafts should go moving forward?


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[Assistant] All right, Brady. Well, I know that you're pretty high on the Jets and gonna sprinkle a lot on some Jets futures. What did you think of their draft? They did fill some holes. They got the edge out of Iowa State. Will McDonald, Joe Tippman, Carter Warren, the offensive tackle from Pittsburgh. Are you feeling good about who they drafted?


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[Assistant] Uh, Billy in the chat asked, uh, how does Rogers look with the number eight? At first I thought it was very strange, almost more strange than seeing him in a jet's jersey to see that eight on him. But I will say it, maybe, maybe just because I'm liking our Rogers more today, but I do think he looks pretty good in the number eight. Uh, how do you guys feel about his new number?


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[Assistant] Uh-huh. It's a lot. Clear system, I think, either way, and emotionally clear system. Alright, but let's, before we get out of here, Aaron Rodgers' successor, uh, in Green Bay,


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[Assistant] Brady, what's your take on this? Is it the right thing to do, or do you think they should have picked up the fifth year option?


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[Assistant] Well, I'd be curious, uh, to see how he does, obviously, root and forearm over here. That's going to...


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[Assistant] Wrap up our show today. I will say, and people in the chat are wondering how I know so much about Ayahuasca. It is actually from documentaries. Chelsea Handler has a series on Netflix where she does a bunch of different things, and she goes to Peru, I believe, and does Ayahuasca. So if you're curious what it's like, go ahead and watch that. You can see the entire experience, and that's how I know about all the uh, the clear-


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[Assistant] Maybe you find it suspicious. I don't know. But that is going to do it for us on the Fake Six Podcast. Make sure you join us tomorrow at 1pm for all of your off-season coverage. Remember to like, comment, and subscribe on the YouTube page. For everyone listening to audio only, make sure you download, follow, leave a 5-star review, and tell your friends to listen and watch the pod. And, uh, I'm not gonna say the other thing. We'll see you later.


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[Assistant] I'm doing good Will Mox, how are you guys doing today?


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[Assistant] Yeah, if you look at it as a whole, right, if you're a New York fan, of course you're excited because we've never had a quarterback of this caliber come to the New York Jets. I mean.


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[Assistant] The last quarterback to throw for 4,000 yards was Joe Namath and I think that was in a 14 week season, right? So it was forever ago. Um, if you look at Aaron Rodgers, the last time.


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[Assistant] He still threw for nearly 3,700 yards, right? It wasn't up to Roger's standards, but for most quarterbacks in the league, that's a good year in the NFL, right?


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[Assistant] So if you look at that as a whole, right, he's coming to a top five defense who mostly is coming back intact.


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[Assistant] Right? And then if you look, talk about the offensive line, which I know we're going to get into in this show, that's probably one of the biggest issues, right? Just can guys stay healthy because that's been the Jets issue going forward. And when Rogers doesn't have a clean pocket.


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[Assistant] I get where you're coming from that standpoint, but I just think the motivation of Aaron Rodgers, right? What's the last time where we've seen him at an OTA, right? What's the last time we seen him hanging out with teammates? Like this dude is like a candy store right now. It seems like he's had a true love for the game again that we hadn't seen in a couple of years.


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[Assistant] And it's crazy that people don't talk about that enough. And maybe this is me being biased because I'm a defensive player. When you turn the ball over, you're killing the defense. You're killing your team. You make it that much easier for the opponent to win. And people literally dog Dak Prescott for having what? Seven straight weeks of interceptions?


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[Assistant] He himself lost that game versus Minnesota. Almost cost him the game in the playoffs versus Miami. Lost the game versus Jets because he had three turnovers. Like people forget that.


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[Assistant] They can be really good. I believe they can be around 10 or 11, 12th best O-line in football. I know people will look at that and be like, well, that's kind of average.


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[Assistant] When he played, then he goes down. So now if you look at the depth that they have, right, Dwayne Brown looks like he's going to play another year.


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[Assistant] It's leaner than I've ever seen him. He looks really motivated and he has an opportunity this year, right? Because they didn't pick up the fifth year option to go out there.


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[Assistant] Ball out and cash in right now. He wants to play left tackle. I don't think that's going to happen with the Wayne Brown because he's been a mainstay at left tackle. Never really played that right tackle has never played right tackle.


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[Assistant] But when the Jets needed him in the pinch in that Denver game, he slid out the left tackle and dominated. And that's unheard of for a second year player.


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[Assistant] People talk about the Breeze Hall injury. I think the Elijah Vera Tucker injury was just as massive.


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[Assistant] For the Jets last year, they just weren't able to run the football and they weren't as versatile as far as being able to move pieces around when Elijah Vera Tucker got hurt. So him coming back healthy into the fold will be Bill Lincoln. Thomason is a guy that's been a pro bowler before who's been in the system for most of his career. He was in San Francisco and talked about Joe Tippman. I thought that was a really good, uh, pick.


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[Assistant] By the New York Jets, right? Versatility to play center and guard. Horvay, taller type guard. He's like six foot four, which rarely see at the guard position. But a guy that's real athletic. I think he's a really good fit in this zone scheme.


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[Assistant] I just think the depth is better. Billy Turner is a guy that's had, you know, a good rapport with Aaron Rodgers back with his Green Bay days. He can play guard and tackle as well. So I just feel like the depth is better. So if one guy goes down or two guys go down, you feel more comfortable with the guys behind them that can come in and play right away.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it brings a sense of familiarity. You just talked about, you know, how Aaron Rodgers perceives certain plays when things aren't there as far as him rolling out.


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[Assistant] And these guys like Randall Cobb, Alan Lazar, they know what to do when that happens, right? That's why I think it was monumental for Aaron Rodgers to be there in the off season because now,


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[Assistant] He can relay that message to Garrett Wills and can relay that to McCoy Harmy, right? Because they hadn't played with him before. So when you got guys that are familiar with the system and then also Billy Turner adding him into that.


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[Assistant] conversation on the offensive line, right? It makes the transition for your quarterback a lot easier. So it wasn't like they grabbed 10 guys, right? I mean, you know, they added Adrian Amos at the end. He's on the defensive side, but


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[Assistant] was because Chuck Clark got hurt, right? And nobody knew that at the time, but now the reports came out. But on offense, you know, adding, adding a guy like Randall Cobb, who's had, who's had a real rapport with them. Alan Lazard, who's a close friend, but Aaron Rodgers is the really big, you know, target in the red zone where the Dutch have been just awful the last couple of years.


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[Assistant] I think that made sense not only for Rogers, but for the team as well too, because they needed a bigger receiver to go up and get the ball in the red zone. Corey Davis, when he's been healthy, has been able to do that. But the thing is he's just never on the field. He's always hurt.


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[Assistant] So when you bring a guy like Alan, you know, Lazard and also Randall Cobb, who's familiar with Rogers, it makes his transition so much easier.


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[Assistant] So it's interesting that you brought this up, Mox, because I've been on CBS Sports Network the last few days, right, having this discussion between


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[Assistant] Amazing first season. Led the league in PBUs.


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[Assistant] What he's able to do with his length, even when he's beat, right? Being at six foot three, that big long frame, being able to attack the hands of the receiver and get PBUs, being able to intercept the ball in zone coverage is amazing. And we see how feist he is in coverage.


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[Assistant] But to me, I think you need longevity, right? And longevity to me is having done it more than one year. And the guy I'm gonna talk about has only done it two years. That's Patrick Sertan.


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[Assistant] I mean, this dude, if you turn on the film and you see some of the battles between him and Devontae Adams, now Devontae Adams has had some success against the Broncos, but if you watch the tape, a lot of that success happened when Patrick Surtain wasn't on him. I mean, he shut out Brandon Cooks.


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[Assistant] If you look at Surtain man, the physical presence that brings at the line of scrimmage, his understanding of route concepts. To me, he's the number one corner in football. I'm not saying Saus Gardner isn't right there and can potentially overtake him, but we've seen Patrick Surtain do it two years in a row. So to me, he's the top corner in the league.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'ma say no, just because they were top five and Jermaine started off the year really hot, right? I believe he had a second and a half in the first four games. Had that foot injury. They kind of slowed him down and then played really well in that Buffalo game where he was able to chase Josh Allen down.


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[Assistant] For a sec, I think he's gonna take a major leap, right? Because I would assume he's gonna get more reps this year. Vinny Curry is no longer on the team, so those reps will probably go to, you know, Jermaine Johnson. If you talk about Will McDonald, I think there's gonna be a set game plan for him. I think he's just gonna be a sub rusher this year.


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[Assistant] Because like you just talked about Will, they're so deep on the defensive line. I mean, John Franklin Myers is the unsung hero of this defense. He doesn't get talked about enough.


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[Assistant] Has the versatility to play outside and inside. He's one of the top defensive ends in this league. Carl Austin coming off an Achilles, played really well, had seven sacks, but was one of the top defensive ends in the league as far as creating pressure off the edge. You would assume two years removed from the Achilles injury, he's going to take a step this year. Bryce Hupp, who a lot of people don't talk about,


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[Assistant] Is there best pure pass rusher? I'm telling you guys, I would not be surprised if Bryce Hough.


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[Assistant] It's talked about in trade talks just because of how deep they are. And I'm telling you right now.


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[Assistant] The Just Brass would hate themselves for trading him because they love that kid.


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[Assistant] That much. The game that we saw versus Buffalo where Josh Allen hurt his elbow, that was Bryce Hough with the game on the line. Like he's a great pure pass rusher. So they're just so deep. I think Jermaine's going to take another step. Michael Clemens is a guy that was a fourth round pick last year who played really well, who has some versatility to play outside and inside as well.


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[Assistant] So Will McDonald to me, I think we're going to have a game plan for him. I don't believe he'll play too much in first and second down, but I believe he will be able to come in on third down and rush. And I believe Jermaine Johnson, I think he played about 30% of the snaps. I would, I would see that go up to probably around 40% of the snaps this year. I think he's going to take a major leap.


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[Assistant] And, and there was a crystal ball and people could see that he was going to play all 17 games. I think those odds would change drastically, right?


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[Assistant] But yes, I mean, if you look at this, the Jets are scared of the Buffalo Bills. They had Zach Wilson at quarterback.


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[Assistant] And beat them one time and the second time should have beat them.


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[Assistant] Right? But Mike White got beat up because the offensive line was bad. Josh Allen only had 147 passing yards in that second game. They essentially took him out of the game, right?


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[Assistant] The Buffalo Bills are like, well, their quarterback stinks right now. We're going to run the ball the whole second half. As long as Josh Allen doesn't turn the ball over, we're going to beat the Jets. And they still almost lost that game. So if you look at it as a whole, the Jets are scared of the Bills. They're not scared of the Miami Dolphins. They lost to the New England Patriots when the defense gave up three points.


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[Assistant] In the other game, Zach Wilson threw for 350 yards, but he threw three interceptions. That's why they lost that game by five points. So if you look at it as a whole, if you just get adequate play from Aaron Rodgers, I believe the Jets are in a good spot to overthrow the Buffalo Bills in that division.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I would sprinkle something under minus 150. If you look at it now, they have a gauntlet to start the season, right?


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[Assistant] Worse, four and four. The season in the back half really shapes up really well for them, right? They have games versus I believe the Houston Texans, the Atlanta Falcons, they play the Patriots again.


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[Assistant] Again, you have division foes. You never know how that's gonna go. But like I was saying earlier, the Jets aren't scared of any of the division foes. They felt like they probably could have won all six of those games if they just had adequate quarterback play. So.


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[Assistant] It's gonna be a gauntlet to start because they have the Bills, the Cowboys, and the Chiefs, I think, right out the gate, right? So that's a gauntlet of a schedule. But if they can go 4-4 by the midway point, that November 12 game for the Raiders, it sets up really well for the Jets.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, uh, I wouldn't sprinkle any money on the most passive yards in the league when you got Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert with Kelly Moore now. You know they're gonna throw the ball down the field.


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[Assistant] But I like him to go over his passing yards, which is what you said, mocks right, right under 3000 yards. I mean, this guy has done that four out of the last five years. And then the down year, he just went under that at nearly 3,700 yards last year. So I like him to go over that. And then that touchdown on March, I believe it's at 27 and a half. I like him to go over that as well. Let's not forget.


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[Assistant] Will, you were talking about, you know, you like a petty quarterback or anything petty, right? The last time he was pissed off, what did Aaron Rodgers do?


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[Assistant] Right? So I liken him to do that this year as well. He's done it two out of the last three years and 10 out of the last 15, which is a crazy number. If you think about it, 10 out of your last 15 years, you've thrown for over 27 touchdowns and two of those, he would do those.


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[Assistant] Exactly. So, so I like him to do it this year. Uh, the rapport with Gary Wilson seems like it's there again, bringing Alan Lazard over who's going to be a big time red zone brand. And then also a name, two names you guys should probably look out for if you're doing fantasy, Tyler Conklin and Jeremy Rucker. I think both of these guys are going to be highly involved in the offense, but especially Tyler Conklin.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I've gone back and forth with this, uh, Mox and Will because if, if you just look at the history of Alanzar, last year he was quote-unquote supposed to be the number one.


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[Assistant] When Aaron Rodgers has a true alpha male number one, he's getting the target share. I mean, when Navante Adams was with him, he was getting 140 targets a year, right? So I could see Garrett Wilson getting that type of.


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[Assistant] Hello everyone, welcome to the Pig Six podcast and welcome back to our All 32 series. Katie Mox here with Will Brinson. This is the series where we catch up with insiders to give you all the need to know information on every single NFL team.


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[Assistant] Today we're previewing the Cleveland Browns with 92.3 to fan radio host and Fox 8 personality Ken Carmen. Ken, thank you so much for joining us. How you doing today?


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[Assistant] Well, you mentioned a lot of names, but there's no one that needs to prove it more than Deshaun Watson. How does he look so far?


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[Assistant] Deshawn's gonna be throwing the ball out. You mentioned a lot of these games coming down to a shootout. You've got Amari Cooper. You know, how many wide receiver studs, if you will, can this offense support? Like, you know, how is Elijah Moore looking right now?


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[Assistant] What is their biggest weakness? Is it the roster? Is it the division that they're in? What would you say is their biggest weakness?


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[Assistant] Alright, well let's, Ken, let's talk about how they're gonna do this year. Browns win total eight and a half. Are the Browns getting nine wins this season?


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[Assistant] I will say, Ken, if, if, if the Browns are going 10 and 7, then to bet yes to make the playoffs at even money seems like a good bet. No, of course, Jews to minus 120, but to go 10 and 7, I think those are pretty good odds to make the playoffs.


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[Assistant] Well then, Deshaun Watson, passing yards, 3,625 and a half is the line.


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[Assistant] Alright, well it seems like the vibes are high for the Cleveland Browns with you Ken, which we expect nothing less. Thank you so much for joining us today. Stay tuned for more All 32 with our daily drops in your podcast feed and on YouTube and make sure you join us next time. Ken, thank you so much for your time.


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[Assistant] What's up everybody? Welcome to the Pick 6 Podcast, CVS NFL Podcast. I'm Katie Mox here with Sportsline's finest RJ White and the Brinstegator.


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[Assistant] Will Brinson, today is our NFL week one, way too early vetting lines show. You like that Brinstegator? Alright, make sure you keep it locked with us all week long for more off season news. Remember to like, comment, and subscribe on the YouTube page. And if you're listening to auto audio only, do the same download, follow, leave a five star review, and tell your friends to listen and watch the pod.


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[Assistant] RJ, Lions are out. How excited are we to start betting on football?


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[Assistant] Alright, uh, let's look at week one spreads. Uh, let's, some of the tighter ones that are a field goal or lower. RJ, first looking at the Panthers at the Falcons. This line is three, favoring Atlanta. Over-under is 47. What's your early lean for this matchup?


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[Assistant] And if you're not, you can sign up today. It's only $1 to sign up for Sports Science, so make sure you go ahead and do that. I can't wait as the season goes on for Brynston to refer back to his model and what his model is saying for, uh, these games. Moving on to the Battle of Ohio. You know me too well. I mean, I'm totally gonna do that all season long. According to my model.


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[Assistant] Well, I can't wait for it. Fun fact, RJ, I don't know if you know that Breach is basically an odds maker. We did a show right after the schedule was released and he correctly guessed almost all of these. So we're looking at this battle of Ohio. Bengals minus two and a half over under 48. Breach somehow guessed two and a half like right on the dot here, but how do you see this one playing out?


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[Assistant] Yeah, absolutely. What is your take on the total at 48? Bengals went 7-11-1 on the over last year. Browns 8-8-1, but of course they had a different quarterback throughout their campaign. How do you feel about this 48? Yeah, they had a better quarterback.


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[Assistant] It'll be interesting to see what the team total for the Browns looks like in that opening game. Alright, next up we're going to look at the Dolphins versus the Chargers.


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[Assistant] Uh, versus Herbie fully loaded, hopefully. This also under field goal, two and a half favoring LA. And higher total at 50, RJ.


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[Assistant] RJ, how do you feel about first half bets? Cause we talk about, you know, Justin Herbert or the Chargers can lose things in the final minutes of the game. Do you look at the very first week and look at maybe like first half unders or do you look at first half bets at all?


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[Assistant] Okay, well things have changed in the NFC, nor the owner of the Bears.


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[Assistant] Aaron Rogers is no longer in Green Bay and we see the Bears now favored minus two and a half over the Packers. RJ, is the market kind of overvaluing the Bears here?


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[Assistant] And cover this spread moreover in the three games last year versus the Giants. Giants have made some good upgrades. Where do you lean with this one, RJ?


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[Assistant] Alright, uh, one more before we take a quick break. The bills are one point road chalk at the Jets. Speaking of overvalued, I mean, what do we know that we're getting with the Jets? How do you think this line is going to change, RJ, or is, is this an accurate line? Are the bills only one point favorite?


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[Assistant] Welcome back to the pick six podcast. If you're not following us on social, go do that right now at pick six pod across all social media platforms. All right, fellas, we talked about some of the tighter spreads. Now let's look at some of the bigger ones. Obviously we have the lions at the chiefs, the chiefs laying a touchdown here over under pretty high at 54.


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[Assistant] We do know that the Chiefs have a hard time covering. I mean, they, they don't have the best against the spread record, but how do you feel about them stacking up against the Lions, laying a full touchdown, RJ?


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[Assistant] I agree as well, right? Looking at Bucks at the Vikings. Vikings are seven point home chalk, which seems in line considering they set an NFL all-time record for single possession wins last season. I believe that was at 12. That's eight points or fewer. So now we have them right at a touchdown. What do you think, RJ?


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[Assistant] Arjay, you were inspired by Baker's comeback win with the, uh, the Rams last season?


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[Assistant] Alright, moving on to two of the more talked about teams this offseason. The Texans, of course, had the splashiest draft. The Ravens re-signed Lamar Jackson. They picked up OBJ, their nine and a half point


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[Assistant] This might be one where you look at the first half and feel like the Ravens last year were great in the first half and then fell apart towards the end. So maybe they come out strong and then, I don't know, what happens. This one was my favorite game of week one, Rams at Seahawks. It opened at five and a half, now it's six.


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[Assistant] Favouring the Seahawks is over under 46 and a half. I love the Seahawks in this spot because I have zero faith in what the Rams are able to do this year. What do you think, Arjay?


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[Assistant] Free money. Alright guys, we're going to take a quick break. You're watching the Pick 6 Podcast. We'll be right back.


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[Assistant] Welcome back to the Fake Six Podcast. I'm Katie Mox here with RJ White and Will Brinson. Today is our NFL Week 1 Way Too Early Betting Lines Show. Make sure you join us all week to keep you up to date with all of the NFL offseason news. Remember to like, comment, and subscribe on the YouTube page.


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[Assistant] Alright, now we have a game where it's take the dog or leave the dog. Which underdogs are you betting on? Week one, we got the Jags at Colts. Jags laying three and a half. Take the dog, leave the dog, RJ White.


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[Assistant] Alright, moving on. The Titans at Saints. Saints minus three and a half. Take the dog, leave the dog, RJ.


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[Assistant] Okay, the Patriots are four and a half point home dogs against the Eagles.


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[Assistant] And look, Eagles obviously had a great draft, had a pretty good offseason, Patriots did not, but the Patriots will be honoring Tom Brady at this game, so there's a lot of good juju in the building. Take the dog, leave the dog.


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[Assistant] Ooh, I like that take here. Okay, so two quarterbacks that know each other very well, Jimmy Garoppolo, a three and a half point dog versus Russ Wilson in Raiders at


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[Assistant] Broncos, Russell Wilson obviously coming off of career worst and completion percentage, passing touchdowns, passer ratings, you name it. Uh, Jimmy Garoppolo back with his old coach there. How do you see this one going, RJ?


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[Assistant] Yes, I love that. Okay, one last game to look at. The 49ers are laying three, uhm, in Pittsburgh. This total 41 and a half. To me, this feels like a stay away game until you know who the quarterback is going to be for San Francisco, but would you take the dog? Steelers plus three here, RJ.


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[Assistant] Well, because I think Brock Purdy is going to be the starter. I think Tray Lance will start a couple games until Brock Purdy is ready, then Brock Purdy is going to come in. And so I don't think there's any chance of that happening. Although, if we want to talk about what would be the most insufferable win you could possibly have,


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[Assistant] Let's go. Brock Purdy to win MVP. That has my vote and my money. Okay, that's gonna wrap it up for us today. Thank you so much, gentlemen, and thank you for tuning in. Make sure you join us tomorrow at 1pm for more off-season coverage. Remember to like, comment, and subscribe on the YouTube page. For everyone listening to audio only, do the same. Download, follow, leave a 5-star review, tell your friends to listen and watch the pod, and we'll see you tomorrow.


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[Assistant] John breach in a casual soft pick six podcast hoodie, which you could purchase at the pick six podcast store, cbsports.com slash whatever. So Google check the, uh, now the QR codes for the app now. So I don't know if that'll work. Uh, and somehow he's the, he's only the


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[Assistant] Uh, second most relaxed person on the podcast because Ryan Wilson has completely checked out of doing anything other than just mailing in the rest of this draft.


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[Assistant] Like you can see it in Wilson's eyes. He's, he's wearing a flat brim cap, a t-shirt, you know, he's got a, how many murder podcasts have you downloaded for this drive?


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[Assistant] That's a classic breach though. He's like, everyone Google Giovanni Carmozzi goat farmer. And then Katie's going to ask the next question. He's going to get it right.


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[Assistant] 2001 NFL Draft Rumors, Colin. You'll never believe which quarterback is a goat farmer now.


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[Assistant] That was good, by the way, Kelly. I like that. I like that, uh, trivia.


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[Assistant] Uhm, oh, so we're gonna grade these, uh, are we doing a one to ten or are we doing a letter grade on these? However you want. Uh, Breach, what do you want to do?


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[Assistant] The, I'm going to give you an A, an A minus here. Uhm, she will. You will. You're about to take a B plus if you're not careful.


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[Assistant] I think that one, you are, you did a good job here of giving yourself several outs.


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[Assistant] I mean, they have Desmond Ritter and they signed Taylor Heinecke to this bizarre backup contract.


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[Assistant] There are multiple quarterbacks in this draft class, Will Leves and Anthony Richardson to me who would fit what Arthur Smith wants to do at the quarterback position. CJ Stroud also more mobile than people think and extremely accurate like kind of a Ryan Tannehill type. I think he fits with the Titans would also obviously fit with the Falcons there as well because you have that sort of player and yet this Falcons team


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[Assistant] In a serial killer kind of way, your move is Breach.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't mean like, I don't mean like facetiming with one elbow on the, on the wheel. I mean like you're on like a Bluetooth. That's fine, right? On the wheel.


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[Assistant] I have the Paris Johnson going third overall to the Arizona Cardinals in my final mock draft. I think Arizona and I, you know what?


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[Assistant] Well, I was just going to say that like, I think that I will give you a B, um, cause I think it's going to be a hard, this is a hard one to land, right? The Steelers have to be the team.


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[Assistant] Somebody was Ryan behaving yourself. You don't have Rick to keep in check. Yeah. The absolute lack of respect for me. Breach and Katie here is really on display by Wilson showing up. He's like, I got five or 10 minutes for you.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I know, I know. I'm just speaking, speaking truth to, speaking power to truth or whatever the hell they say.


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[Assistant] I think, so I'll give you a B now because you've been insulting me nonstop. Uhm, I think the problem is like the Steelers being the specific team that has to trade up is just so hard to land. Yes, it's bold, but you could have just gone with 18 trades up into the top 10 to draft Paris Johnson.


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[Assistant] What's that? That's how good I feel about it. I don't think he makes it. Like how, what, what spot did you say again?


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[Assistant] Okay, yeah, I think his over under is nine and a half and the under is like insanely juiced. Some of these numbers are just.


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[Assistant] Pretty, pretty wild in terms of the juice that they put on these draft props because they don't want to deal with moving the numbers around and getting middle and all that. Um, yeah, I'll give it a, I'll give it a B. I think it's a, I like, I like the, I like the constructs of Paris Johnson, uh, going very early, but the Steelers being the specific team to move up and get him is, is very aggressive.


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[Assistant] I do not know Emanuel Forbes' number. I haven't gone to the first round as well. I'm sure it's all to Caesars.


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[Assistant] Do you, do you subscribe to the notion that this is an, I mean, I know you've only covered, like you've only done, I mean, you've, you've covered the draft for a long time, but like you've only been to cbsports.com.


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[Assistant] Uh, junior draft analyst for, you know, what, three years?


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[Assistant] Okay, right, right, right. So, 1920, 21, 22, so this is five.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Um, but the point being is like, anyway, I don't know what that, I don't know how that math works, but the point being is like, where, where do you like, don't you think this draft is by far and away the least like I know what the F is going on going into the first round?


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[Assistant] I think you're hearing more than you did in 2019, but I'm saying like being able to project where guys are going to go in this draft is harder than any draft I personally remember.


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[Assistant] I would even argue that the doing a mock draft this year is...


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[Assistant] The easiest it's been because you could do whatever the hell you want and nobody can really question it.


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[Assistant] Kind of annoying. The order of these is really frustrating when it's like, first overall pick.


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[Assistant] Well, he gave you a C+. I mean, I actually wanted to give you a C-, but I'm going to give you a B-, just to price his right breach on this one. And Curry, favor with Wilson as he, before he, I guess we'll do, are we doing minor breaches next? Well, you guys can go back and forth if you want.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, why don't we, why don't we alternate and uhm.


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[Assistant] I see you've seen mine. So much for the, so much for the element of- Oh, there's no surprise here. I know all- Really surprised that I'm moving all over the screen.


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[Assistant] Whack-a-mole. Ball bearings these days. And now we're really, okay, this is getting very disorienting.


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[Assistant] Uh, minus that only two quarterbacks will be drafted in the top 10, which felt extremely bold. Like, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Four hours ago and now it feels like all, every single mock I see that's coming out has a couple of guys dropping out. I know Anthony Richardson, I just saw, uhm,


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[Assistant] To the Colts and my mom when I drafted Will Levis and CJ Stroud in my final mock fall out of the top 10 end up going to both to the three quarterbacks drafted in the AFC South. Maybe that should have been my, my bold prediction. What about yours Breach?


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[Assistant] Don't lead with that. And then you under, there it is, over, over promise. With their first round pick, the Las Vegas Raiders will draft a running back. That's cool. At pick seven? Forty to one on Caesars.


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[Assistant] Alright. No, just their first round pick. They can trade up, they can trade down, whatever. Okay. No, I like that.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm just pegging it with a running back. I mean, obviously it's more than likely Bijan Robinson, but Jameer Gibbs.


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[Assistant] And don't forget, don't forget, do you know who the first pick that Josh McDonough's ever made in the draft of the Denver Broncos was? No, Sean Marino.


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[Assistant] I mean, that's like somewhere in between AJ Brown and Hollywood Brown.


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[Assistant] I think we're, we have one bold prediction left. So like Wilson, why don't you just hang out for the break? I'll give my last bold prediction. All right. All of us in the whole show and you'll be departing three and a half minutes later than you would plan, which you probably built in because you're doing a podcast with me.


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[Assistant] Wait, what was that last bullet? What was Breach's last bullet? Did I get the


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[Assistant] This is a very breechy and move very wise of him. He's getting ahead of what is going to be a clear NFL trend moving forward where veterans like high guy, especially fantasy football guys, right? Like Jerry, Judy getting traded on the first day of the NFL draft.


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[Assistant] I mean, I would much rather have Jerry Judy and give him a contract in whatever wide receiver is available in the first round.


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[Assistant] By the way, Katie, make sure Wilson tells you about how the fact that he got the Snoopy tattoo and then like, cause he lost a, you know, something happened and then he's like, you know what? I need another tattoo and immediately went out and got a second tattoo, which is a little weird.


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[Assistant] I swear that you said your last one was your final one.


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[Assistant] Oh, it's like on the clock, I was just gonna do it.


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[Assistant] So, Katie, before you got on the show, Brinson was using this background, and people thought that was his actual house. And they were impressed that he owned a grand piano, when in fact this is not Brinson's actual house. He does not own a grand piano. Uh, and so I would just like anybody watching on YouTube to know that for a fact.