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[Assistant] You can't, in this day and age, I don't think you can win a Super Bowl with a quarterback as bad as BJ Walker, in my opinion. No matter how good your defense is. But I think you could win, you could certainly win it with a Kirk Cousins, maybe even an Andy Dalton. I don't know how much Andy Dalton's got left, but at least he's been in the league.


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[Assistant] Would you go out and try to get a at least serviceable veteran that's in the league and playing right now?


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[Assistant] Just to have an upgrade over Walker if Watson just can't get to 100%.


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[Assistant] I think the question now guys, based on what Bernie has told us, and


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[Assistant] Obviously, Bernie is not Deshaun. They're two different human beings. But this is as close to what Deshaun is going through as humanly possible. The exact same injury for a professional quarterback for the same team. And even though everybody's body is a little different, this is the closest possible example we can have. My question to all of us is,


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[Assistant] Wow. Okay. It doesn't work. We have to acknowledge, I don't know, we've never talked about this before, not that you don't know this from when he played, but maybe, like, Bernie's hands and fingers are huge. Huge! Well, they always have been.


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[Assistant] You know what? I wouldn't play him. You know what makes, based on what Bernie has said here, and like, like we're not the Sean, we don't know what's going on inside his body, but you would assume that he's gonna make the best decision for himself, but you never know with players, as Bernie has said. What seems to make the most sense,


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[Assistant] Is to bring him back for the Baltimore game on November 22nd. That would be two months. That would be two days shy of two full months. So basically two months. You could win the next three games at the Seahawks Cardinals at home.


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[Assistant] Whoever's their quarterback, they should be able to win that Cults game and the Cardinals game.


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[Assistant] The Seahawks game on the road, that's obviously a lot tougher. But I think they can win two of the next three with even PJ Walker. And if you do that, well then you're five and four and hopefully get a healthy Watson for the final, you know, yeah.


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[Assistant] Right, but if you lose him in Seattle, now the trade deadline is passed and you have no other options. Other than signing someone who


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[Assistant] I think it's easy. To me, it's Anthony Walker. He is the leader of the defense, right?


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[Assistant] He's called to play defensively, like he's the mouthpiece for Schwartz on the field. And he's a, you know, he's not an elite player, but he's a good, solid, steady player in the middle of that defense. Uh, the line backing, as much as we've talked about the defensive line, because it's been great,


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[Assistant] The Browns linebackers were the worst in football last year. This year they've stayed healthy with basically the same guys, and they've been way better. And Anthony Walker and J.O.K. are the two biggest reasons why.


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[Assistant] I can live without Kareem Hunt. I can go with Jerome Ford. I can give Pierre Strong an opportunity. Harris and Bryant, who cares? And I got three great corners if I'm the Browns. I can live without one we already have for a week.


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[Assistant] Uh, I don't want to lose my, probably my, not, not my best linebacker, but, because unbelievably that's probably been Jay okay, but Anthony Walker I think is my most important linebacker, so that, that's how I feel about it.


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[Assistant] Bernie, if Anthony Walker's the guy with the green dot, he's calling the play, how much of an adjustment is that to have another guy do that?


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[Assistant] Well, history tells you that wide receivers do catch touchdown passes. Not for the Browns, just not for the Browns. But the Colts are probably, I'm thinking about this quickly, by far the worst defensive team the Browns have played this year.


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[Assistant] I know, but in the six, I don't know if they've had a bye. In the five or six games they've played, overall they've been poor defensively. They're the worst team the Browns have played. I don't know which camera to look at. Now which camera am I looking at right now?


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[Assistant] So, Amari's played well, he's due for a touchdown. And the rest of the guys in the wide receiving court, I don't trust any of them, but I trust Amari. They gotta get him in the end zone, and they will this week.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so they've thrown four touchdowns. It's not just the receivers. I mean, there's more receivers, but.


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[Assistant] If you look at Sedaria Smith last year, right?


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[Assistant] He had, I don't remember the exact total of sacks he had last year, but he had almost all of them.


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[Assistant] So, he's getting old, he's not the same player he was, he still has value, he's still playing, you know, pretty well, but in terms of getting, actually getting to the quarterback, I think he's behind Agbo, I think he, obviously he's behind Miles Garrett, and I just don't think he's the guy getting to the quarterback right now. He's flashed in the run deep.


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[Assistant] I agree and he hasn't been the right place and the right time very often since the middle of last year. And I also think because they're starting Gardner-Minshew


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[Assistant] And because he threw three picks last year, and they know how good the Browns last week, and they know how good the Browns defense is, I think the Colts only hope is running the ball. Zach Moss quietly has been phenomenal this year. No, he's been very good. And Jonathan Taylor's back, they got two good backs.


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[Assistant] So I think they're really gonna run the ball a lot. So I don't think there's gonna be that many opportunities for sacks. Because the Browns offense is also...


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[Assistant] By the way, how about this, let me just give you the stat real quick. So, Zedarius Smith on November 13th of last year


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[Assistant] The last 7 games of last year, he had a half a sack. So that's 12 games. So in the last 12 games, he has a half a sack. He's 2.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's how we got down McNuggets. Now the Brown, the teams the Browns have faced so far this year, outside of Tennessee, don't have good running back. Joe Mixon's decent, but the Bengals are not a running team.


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[Assistant] I mean, Earl's angry. I don't think Tivus is angry. Tivus just looks exasperated.


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[Assistant] Wait, Mike, one of our die-hard fans, a guy by the name of Aaron Lee,


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[Assistant] That little kid is this guy Aaron, who's a huge fan of the show, and he said he was part of the Make-A-Wish Foundation, and he met you, and he met the entire team, here's some other, here's a picture of you, and he said it was the time of his life, he'll never forget it.


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[Assistant] Eighth grade Park, Parks. Uh, yes, I would much rather have the offense. And more recently, I think for much of the NFL's history, it was the great defenses that often won. But more recently, we've seen


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[Assistant] A lot of teams win great offense and solid defense. And I think that's how most of the teams do it now. We'll see. Things seem to be maybe changing back the other way this year. Maybe. It's still too early in the season to know for sure.


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[Assistant] But, uh, I think it would be interesting if we had, say, for example, the Browns kept this up defensively, and the Dolphins kept it off offensively, and they played each other in the playoff. That would be pretty interesting.


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[Assistant] It used to be 70 points. We gotta see it for a whole season.


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[Assistant] I think part of the reason defense has


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[Assistant] Offensive players, quarterbacks and skilled position guys, across the board now.


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[Assistant] Barely playing in the preseason, if at all. Yeaah. And I think offenses are coming out much rustier early in the season. Oh for sure. The last couple of years. Yeaah. And I think that's a factor. Now I do think the tide may be turning a little bit, but I don't think it's turning quite as fast as we think because of that. I, I, I need to see it for a full year and then beyond.


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[Assistant] That was a great play. There is not a single team of the great defenses.


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[Assistant] People are starting to do breakdowns on why, like maybe not necessarily why, but what's going on with defenses this year, especially this year?


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[Assistant] And a lot of it's the red zone. Like, teams are still moving the ball between the 20s a lot.


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[Assistant] I am going to accept a fantasy football trade in my dynasty league on the air.


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[Assistant] I've just been offered a deal. I'm sorry, Browns fans, I'm trading David Najoku. Shipping his ass out of town because I'm getting Evan Ingram.


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[Assistant] Finally. I've got him on my family league. In this crazy dynasty league, tight ends get two points per reception. So Engram's very valuable. Wow.


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[Assistant] I thought you knew me better than that. I love to argue, so I love when people disagree. That's a total misconception that I want people to agree with me. It would be boring if people agreed with me because I enjoy arguing.


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[Assistant] So I know, I'm fine with that. But we gotta get to the biggest story because obviously there's been big injury news surrounding the Browns. This Harrison Bryant injury, I don't know how the Browns will tell. Uh, Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] We had no idea what was going on, right? There was a mix, there was terrible mixed messaging from the Browns. It seems like this week they've gotten on the same page, and supposedly he's practicing today for the first time in a while. What's the latest that you can tell us?


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[Assistant] Uh, on to Sean Watson and whether or not you think he might play this week.


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[Assistant] Yes they did. The Eagles offense was just good. The, the, the Chiefs ran all over the Eagles defense. The Eagles defense was terrible in the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Let's, let's wrap it up with this. If, if the Browns are going to make a trade, and the Browns have been an aggressive team, the trade deadline's what, 12 days away I think?


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[Assistant] Uh, if they're going to make a trade without going into specific players.


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[Assistant] Would be a clearer number two guy behind Amari Cooper or getting a running back who is


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[Assistant] I think, I think that's a product of the quarterback play, but...


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[Assistant] They only have four passing touchdowns on the season, that's it.


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[Assistant] You could get, you could get Trent Brown from, uh, New England. He's gonna be a free agent at the end of the year.


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[Assistant] Why wouldn't they trade him? They stink, they're out of it. You could get Grant Bowles from Denver, he's pretty good, and they're out of it. So I think you could get one of those two guys.


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[Assistant] The bottom line is the Browns appear to have a Super Bowl caliber defense.


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[Assistant] If Deshaun Watson can play, not even, I'm not even asking at this point for the rest of this year to play Houston Deshaun Watson, I'm saying play three quarters of Houston Deshaun Watson. Tennessee Watson. The guy, yea, the guy who played in the Tennessee game as we talked about, if he plays at that level with this defense, they're a Super Bowl contender, there's no doubt.


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[Assistant] Yay, here we are, along with the Stormtrooper and country singer Luke Michaels. And you're Joe Dirt. I'm Joe Dirt.


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[Assistant] The little poof upstairs. Goes good with the beard. Uh, gonna cut off sleeves here. The guy that's worked hard in his costume, he's ready to kill some people.


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[Assistant] Lightsaber. Mike is just, you know.


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[Assistant] Country music star. Country music star. Yeaah. That's good. It is Halloween. Look, we got, can we get the camera on Steve? Look at Steve. He's got the best costume of everybody.


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[Assistant] I mean Earl, couldn't dress up, he's too much of a big shot. Look, it's Steve. He's master, it's Steve, stand up for a second, we gotta see ya.


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[Assistant] Why couldn't you get dressed up? You can't get the spirit things?


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[Assistant] Well, we'll take you behind the scenes. So yesterday we decided we were going to dress up for Halloween. So I went to the Halloween store and bought this stupid, uh, wig. And then last night Mike's like, well, you sure you guys want to dress up?


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[Assistant] Uh, she, she's used to us being a little crazy, so she'll be alright. She's used to it. Uh, she, she wrote an article about Josh Dobbs. I gotta talk to her about that because I don't agree. I don't think, I actually don't think Josh Dobbs is even an upgrade on PJ Walker. I think he's just as bad.


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[Assistant] I wanna look at the latest FanDuel line. Bring up Fresh here. The Browns are back to a 7.5 point favorite. They opened as a 7.5 point favorite against the Cardinals and went down to 7. And now it's back up to 7.5.


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[Assistant] Uh, with the unknown quarterback situation. But obviously guys, the big story of the day, we'll get to the quarterback situation. We don't know who's starting for the Cardinals. We don't know who's starting for the Browns. And we don't know if anybody's going to make a trade. The trade deadline is just under five hours from now. It's a little hard to copy.


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[Assistant] Okay, now you guys are wrong and that's okay. It's good to be wrong sometimes. It builds character. You know what I'm saying? Uh, let me tell you something. Uh,


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[Assistant] This idea that his record is two and one, I don't care what his record is, because they were...


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[Assistant] He contributed almost, he's been a net negative in all three of those games. So they have found a way to win in spite of him, not because of him. So I'm giving him zero credit for the 2-1 record. Zero.


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[Assistant] Alright, and listen, I get what you're saying about the guys on some level believing him, he's fighting for the team, and that has value. There's no doubt about it. But in the end, he's not a good enough quarterback, and every player on that team knows it. And the Browns...


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[Assistant] Or Andy Dalton. Those guys are starting quarterbacks in the NFL. They may be lower tier starting quarterbacks, but they're starting quarterbacks. At worst, they're top notch backups. PJ Walker is


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[Assistant] I get it, you don't want to give up a first round pick or something like that for some mediocre quarterback. But if you can at a reasonable price, get a guy who you know can hold down the fort for, whether it's two weeks or four weeks. By the way, somebody tweeted this morning, I can't remember who it is, but I saw like,


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[Assistant] By this week, with whoever starts from Minnesota, and maybe the Rams have a backup going this week.


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[Assistant] 49, not even at the halfway point of the season. So even if Deshaun Watson does come back, this shoulder is not going to be right the whole year.


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[Assistant] So, you need to have a better option. What if they get to the playoffs, and Deshaun Watson is a close game, and he gets hurt in that game? Well, wouldn't you rather have Jacoby Brissette or Andy Dalton or even Jameis Winston rather than this guy? I mean, come on.


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[Assistant] If, if the Vikings are able to get Jameis Winston for less than a fourth round pick,


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[Assistant] I don't think the Browns would have to give up a third round pick to get James Winston or any of those guys. I don't believe that. Now, Dalton may be the one most available too. We talked about him the least, but Carolina's awful.


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[Assistant] Six touchdowns total. You don't have any rushing touchdowns in this career.


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[Assistant] But I'll just tell you what they're gonna tell you. They're gonna tell you. Honestly, I don't think they can win in the playoffs with Jacobi. Maybe they can win one game. But you can make it. Maybe you can win one game depending on who you play in the first round.


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[Assistant] You waited the whole show? I'm gonna try. Eventually it may get annoying enough that I may throw it off.


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[Assistant] I forgot to put my shield back on. Man, uh, you know, this is not what you were expecting, Mike. You're probably a little thrown off. By the way, Miles Simmons, who works for you, does he still work for you, Miles?


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[Assistant] Glad to have him. You know, he was my intern. That was his first gig in professional radio, actually.


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[Assistant] Uh, let's get to the Browns. Are you, there was just a report, we just mentioned it, that the Browns are now chasing Jacoby Brissette. Their quarterback situation's a disaster. Watson's been awful. Now he's injured. We don't know when he's gonna be back. P.J. Walker, in my opinion, is not an NFL quarterback.


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[Assistant] The Browns got a decent team. We think they need an upgrade. What do you think is gonna happen? You think they're gonna do anything here before four o'clock?


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[Assistant] Uh, two teams that I think are interesting. One is Denver, because there's been a lot of rumors about all their guys. But then they just had that big win over Kansas City, and as you said, they, like many other teams in the AFC, have now three wins.


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[Assistant] And then also in the AFC, there was talk about the Titans training guys, but Will Levis played so well this week, you wonder if they're going to want to break it up instead of giving him a chance to play with all his potential weapons. Do you think those teams stand packed?


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[Assistant] I mean yeaah, there are weird vibes here. Does that mean Deshaun Watson doesn't want to be here? I have no idea. I don't think it means that now. It's not impossible. He's not unfair.


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[Assistant] You know, it's not crazy to think Deshaun Watson might not want to be here. I don't think that, but it's not insane to think it. But in the end, what choice does he have? I mean, at this point,


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[Assistant] Alright guys, it's time for the Kool-Aid meter, so let's get right to it, Anthony. Uh, we all were given players that the Browns might acquire here in the next four and a half hours, and we gave our Kool-Aid meter rankings. If we're very excited about somebody, it's gonna be a ten. If we're not at all excited about the person the Browns might acquire, we


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[Assistant] We graded a one. Myself, Mike, well, Gene.


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[Assistant] You're representing G. We thought G would be back today. He gave his grade, but he was unable to go. It was a last minute scratch again today.


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[Assistant] Yeah, last week I was very low with my grades because I was basing it on how exciting the player is scale. And everybody else was much higher because it's...


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[Assistant] It's Kool-Aid, it's crazy. Uh, so my green Kool-Aid rate rating for Jacobi Percent is a 10.


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[Assistant] Certainly they could use a running back. If they got Derrick Henry or Saquon Barkley today, I think we'd all be excited about that. But the most important thing is a stable


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[Assistant] NFL quarterback. I'm not asking for greatness. I'm not asking for very good. I'm just asking for stability, solidness, pretty decent. And that's Jacoby Brissette. He knows the system better than anybody else they could acquire. I think Florio made a good point. Does Washington want to leave themselves without a


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[Assistant] A quarterback can be in the same situation as the Browns. I guess it depends how they're looking at their season.


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[Assistant] Uh, so it, you know, maybe that's the tricky part. We did get a report a little while ago from who was it again? JP Finley. JP Finley. Who is a very credible, very credible guy saying the Browns are chasing Jacobi. Why have they waited this long, guys?


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[Assistant] Before, I know, I gave a 10 because I think it would be very, it would be exciting in the grand scheme of a trade deadline to get Jacoby Grissette who we know can place adequate football.


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[Assistant] Why would, why, even if, even if the Sean, uh, honestly at this point, if the Sean Watson were 100% healthy, I'd still want Jacobi.


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[Assistant] We're, uh, we're Anthony Schwartz, David Bell, and Cedric, I Can't Get On The Field, Tillman. So, uh, what can I tell you?


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[Assistant] For me, with running back for the Browns, I'm only trading for running back if I'm the Browns, if I'm getting an every down back. I would trade for Barkley, and I would trade for Derrick Henry. I got a bunch of part-time backs who are all decent.


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[Assistant] I like the combo. I really want to see a one-two punch of Kareem Hunt and Pierre Strong, and I would phase Ford out as the third guy, personally, because I love, I love, love is way too strong. I like what I've seen from Pierre Strong. Kareem Hunt is a good grinding, you know,


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[Assistant] Right, teams in recent years have been throwing the ball deep, there's been a lot of downfield stuff. Starting really with last year, teams have been taking away the deep stuff, they've been wanting teams to march down the field more, and what comes with that is quicker passes, and what comes with that is less sacks.


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[Assistant] I don't think there's many guys, I can see Elijah Moore talking trash, but he's not very good.


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[Assistant] But when Jamar Chase, like Jamar Chase talks a lot of trash.


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[Assistant] He talked to us before against the Browns and then the Browns gave it back to him. Defensively.


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[Assistant] You can't mess with me. I really like that. I feel like Wyatt Teller is that kind of player.


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[Assistant] No disrespect. I feel like Joe Mixon's that kind of player, even though he's...


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[Assistant] You know, good not great, but I feel like he's that kind of player. Oh yeaah. Uhm, so yeaah.


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[Assistant] I should have given him a zero, I don't know. I mean, Carl Lawson, I remember when he left the Bengals, at the time I thought it was a big deal, and what an idiot I was. He's done nothing with the Jets. He's been a non-factor for the whole time. What am I going to be excited about Carl Lawson?


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[Assistant] But I think he'd be a backup edge that comes in. I mean, he could be a healthy scratch on the Browns, Carl Lawson. Carl Lawson's not him.


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[Assistant] What else are we going to say about Carl Lawson? He's an unexciting guy. Mike forced him, uh, for me to pick a number for him.


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[Assistant] But they could have signed him as a free agent in the off season. I'm with you. I'm with you. I don't understand why you give up a two, a second round pick when you can't, when you're not winning this year, and the Bears are stupid, that's why.


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[Assistant] That's why. The Bears are a snook. Last year they gave up a second round pick for Chase Claypool. And now they give up, this guy's better than Chase Claypool, but he's not going to help them win.


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[Assistant] The Bears are clueless. They're a terrible organization. Under the radar, one of the worst organizations in football.


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[Assistant] That throw the ball, at least. Like, Marquis Brown's been stuck on run teams. He's never played, like, you know, Lamar's thrown the ball more now, but like,


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[Assistant] Uh, I like Marquise Brown better. I think, I do think Marquise Brown here and Judy are both better than any receiver on the Browns, not name of Mari Cooper. But, I think Marquise is a little better.


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[Assistant] With Marquise, you get a little more of a vertical speed threat. With Marquise, and if you, you know, you had a better quarterback, or if you had Watson maybe late in the year, like, they could really use him. He could be valuable, I think.


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[Assistant] I still would trade for Trent Brown, but I'll give Will's credit, he has played better. Uh, but an interesting guy on the Patriots would be Ramond Ray Stevenson.


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[Assistant] Alright, well we're gonna have Mary Kay here in a little bit. None of those guys. Is there any other names? Nothing's happened.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna say yes, I think they're gonna shock us and make a move today. Imma say no. Tivus? Nope.


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[Assistant] I just, I can't watch PJ Walker play quarterback for this team anymore. It's, it's uncomfortable.


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[Assistant] To me, if I'm gonna trade for, I just don't think Josh Dobbs is any better than PJ Walker. He's not!


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[Assistant] Jacoby Brissette is a clear level above, couple levels above PJ Walker. I guess if I had to choose...


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[Assistant] No team tries to lose. The organization doesn't care about winning, is what it is. The coach and the players, as Tyvis can tell you, never going to play it loose.


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[Assistant] Why did we not show the Earl and Anthony emoji?


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[Assistant] Cause you wrote a column about it today. We were all saying we can't buy that the Cardinals would trade him. I don't think Josh Dobbs really is that much better. I'd rather have a better quarterback than PJ Walker. But you think the Cardinals might actually trade him the week they're playing the Browns? Because they don't care?


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[Assistant] Yeah, no doubt about it. Jacobi Brissett's not, Jacobi Brissett can't put you on his back and win games for you, but he won't screw it up.


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[Assistant] You know, if you're winning, he's not throwing a pick in that spot to give the other team a chance. He threw some late picks last year on comeback.


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[Assistant] That's not his thing, but he's way better than what they have. Is there any chance if they don't make a trade that they would go back to DTR this week, Mary Kay?


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[Assistant] Not getting the ball, you know, that we all know about whether you should have passed or run, but what'd you think about his comments? Do you have a problem with it or no?


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[Assistant] You know, you're right. I was critical of him yesterday for the comments, and I think you're right. And Jason kind of alluded, we always want these guys to be honest.


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[Assistant] And so you've won me over on that, uh, Mary-Kate. In terms of the running backs as a whole,


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[Assistant] You know, they used three guys. I thought, I loved what I've seen from Pierre Strong. What do you make of where their backfield is right now?


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[Assistant] Mary Kay, when the trick-or-treaters come to your house tonight, what will be the candy of choice that you will give out most often?


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[Assistant] There's really rich family. They owned, you guys wouldn't know it, but there's a, so there's a, there's a, so in, in, at Jewish holidays, we sometimes think called matzah. You know matzah. You ever heard of matzah? Never heard of it. Never heard. Anyway.


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[Assistant] And they're a huge company, and the guy who owned that company had a house in my neighborhood, right? He had his big fancy house.


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[Assistant] Alright, thank you FanDuel and thank you Anthony. It's now time to grade the BFF Grades. We have changed this game every week. We've played it differently every week. How are we playing it this week, Mike?


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[Assistant] You came in first, second, and third. I will alternate who goes first, okay? So you go first on this one, we'll alternate. If you say you agree or disagree.


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[Assistant] Because I called Kareem a guy yesterday, and I always, I love when people do this.


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[Assistant] This is tricky, like I would think David the Joker would be the first. You see, I thought he had the best game.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna go Amari Cooper, David the Joker, Elijah Moore. Watch Elijah Moore beat number one.


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[Assistant] At this point, last three weeks is playing acceptable football.


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[Assistant] Oh no, you're up 3-0. 2-0. 2-0. Cause we both got it wrong. Alright, who goes first this time? You.


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[Assistant] DPJ Harrison Bryant? These are the lowest rated players.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna say the same word. No, I'm gonna say Ward 1, Emerson 2, Newsome 3. Fight the pick! Can Bull get his first win?


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[Assistant] Yeah, overall lined up well with the eye test, cause a couple of times that I guessed wrong, I was trying to out think things.


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[Assistant] But time to see the champion of the game. Congratulations.


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[Assistant] I guess Arizona is not impossible. If the Browns traded today, which it would be today, for James Winston or Andy Dalton.


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[Assistant] What was his touchdown to interception ratio the last two years in college?


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[Assistant] 104-41 total, but the last two years, 70 touchdowns, 20 picks.


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[Assistant] Is Clayton tuned white, black, or other?


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[Assistant] No. No, he's a white guy. White guy, yeah. Yeah, there we go.


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[Assistant] Who was the starting quarterback? Don't answer it. Let's see if these guys can guess. Who was the starting quarterback that Tyvis faced in the one game in the NFL he started? Josh Rosen. That is incorrect.


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[Assistant] It does make it tricky though, as Mary Kay said, Jason said this as well yesterday, that they're playing the Ravens the following week. What that mean?


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[Assistant] So that's why they've got to do something here in the next three hours and fifteen minutes. So stop farting around. I don't want to discuss PTR or PJ Walker. I want the Brown Table legitimate.


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[Assistant] No, because I believe the Browns will make a trade here. By the way,


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[Assistant] Uh, I guess that means the Browns would, but here we go. Uh, D, uh, Terry McLaurin and Jacoby Brissette for DPJ, a second round pick and a fifth round pick.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't think they're trading Terry McClure. That would be really stupid.


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[Assistant] No, because I think they're gonna hold out hope that Washington...


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[Assistant] You know what, this whole quarterback situation has been one...


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[Assistant] I have an Aunt Susan who is stunningly still alive.


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[Assistant] My Aunt Susan has been on her deathbed like four different times. I'm sorry for laughing. She's, no it's alright. She's almost 80.


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[Assistant] She's in terrible shape, she's like blind, she's a mess. And I'm stunned she's still alive, honestly, but, uh...


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[Assistant] Okay, Aunt Susan. Good for her, Aunt Susan. But I don't look like her. Maybe I do. I don't know.


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[Assistant] That's not an appropriate response. You say Gerald, you're a tool job. Because Gerald's a tool.


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[Assistant] No. No, I don't think you should. No, that's why I've been saying that. Come on, guys. That's why we've all been talking about getting a quarterback.


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[Assistant] I don't think either of those guys is getting traded. Apparently, I think we'd be interested in it. I take either. I don't think it's gonna happen. I don't think it would happen. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] That is funny. If you put on the show and you're not realizing it, especially because Tyvis took off his costume, and Mike, like,


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it's semi-costume here. Like, I could dress like this regularly, except for the cowboy hat. I look, you know, beyond absurd.


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[Assistant] I think you, that should be your fantasy football nickname next year is Black and Mobile.


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[Assistant] Cavs! Maybe your Monty Pates will actually make a basket. Both of ya.


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[Assistant] Plus, ba-da-da-da-da, you're loving him. Mikey McNuggets.


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[Assistant] It was pretty dope when I was looking, I was trying to do social clips and show clips at the same time.


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[Assistant] I was close, I got the best guy. You were closer. Yea, I was closer.


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[Assistant] DTR knew he was starting that game. He, he had to know there was a ch- a reasonable chance he was gonna start. Well, he still had no reps leading up to him. I think he had a smaller teeth, like, okay, maybe. We saw how much more confident PJ Walker was.


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[Assistant] I was talking to my physical therapist this morning and I said, he was like,


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[Assistant] He goes to me, how about that? Nick Chubb only tore his MCL. Yeaah. And he goes, you know, I think one of you guys said this, he said, he said, well, eh, they gotta, once the swelling comes down, maybe they'll relook at it, but it's probably just an MCL. I said,


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[Assistant] Is it even possible, even if it's a 1% chance? Told you. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Do you think if it's just the MCL, is there any chance on earth he could play in the playoffs? Told you.


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[Assistant] It wasn't just that he came back in eight months. Most guys who come back after a torn ACL are not good to the following year. Oh yeah, he was good right away. He was great immediately when he came back.


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[Assistant] Yes, he also- Before his acting days, or? No, no, no, no, like, once he became famous, they would have him on, like, not just as a guest, but he'd co-host a little bit here and there. Wow, that's fantastic. I actually texted Evan Roberts, who does afternoon drive in, uh, in New York.


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[Assistant] Who I used to work with and, and he worked a little with Jerry. I was like, all right, give me some tidbits about Jerry. Sure. So anyway, uh, but he's apparently a great guy and we gotta know, like, is he more known for the show Entourage or for the show Power? We know, we know that.


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[Assistant] Are we getting, are you guys gonna take into account what I said the other day and do more behind the scenes, uh, things in this podcast?


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[Assistant] To me, it's not that close. It's the Browns defense without a doubt. Because, the way I look at it is, the Dolphins, listen, the Dolphins offense has been amazing. But, it's only been otherworldly in one game.


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[Assistant] The Browns defense has been otherworldly in all three games.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I don't think that's a fair way to base the argument because there's other factors.


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[Assistant] We had a stat before that, like, based on one of these many analytics, that the Browns defense in these three games have been the three best defensive performances in the league this year. Yes. Based on, say, the Dolphins aren't one, two, three.


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[Assistant] They aren't. I, I think I already, I read that maybe the Chief's offense was even more prolific.


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[Assistant] Alright, to me, I don't factor that in at all because it's what have you done on the field, not what did you do without it.


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[Assistant] Well then I could argue the Bengals have a top ten offense because Joe Burrows hurt if he wasn't hurt and blah blah blah. I mean there's always an excuse I can make. The bottom line is I think you're weighing the one game the Dolphins played at a ridiculous rate. We only have three. I know that but you shouldn't


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[Assistant] Overweigh it. The other two games, they were good offensively, but not like all-time specials.


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[Assistant] I agree with that. I'm just saying the Browns defense was better than the Dolphins offense in week one, in my opinion.


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[Assistant] I would say in the end, if you're ranking the six performances, the three offensive performances by the Dolphins and the three defensive performances by the Browns, I would probably put the Dolphins offense in this past week number one. However,


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[Assistant] We haven't done that yet and I need to see that part. There is definitely some level of luck in turnovers without a doubt, but you're right. The all time great defenses, which the Browns hope to be. Take it away. All had a ton of turnover.


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[Assistant] They're both incredible. I just think it's so skewed by that one game. And yeaah, it's all, you know, it's just never gonna happen again.


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[Assistant] If they, if they have an, if they have like two, three more games where they score 50 plus, maybe I'll think differently. I just feel like that, the Browns have just been consistently great on defense in all three games.


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[Assistant] We all thought they'd be a lot better defensively. And again, we have to say it's three games. However,


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[Assistant] Against Devansky, sorry, yes. He's tortured them. So that's, and it's the Ravens, like the Steelers, teams that always seem to beat the Browns, even when the Browns might be better. But Jim Schwartz wasn't in town then. He wasn't. And that's why it's, okay, it's a big difference.


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[Assistant] McCaffrey and Kittle, he should be good. Well, and Deebo. And Deebo. And Brandon Iuke. God, they've got pieces. I mean, they're loaded. But anyway, so this is too exciting. I love this. I say this all the time. When you're a good team, you don't give a crap who you're playing. You want to play good teams. I don't want to watch them get scrubs. Your t-shirt saying.


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[Assistant] By the way, I agree. Two things though real quick. Number one, I was reading that the Jets are interested in trading for Kirk Cousins.


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[Assistant] Vikings are on three. Jets would be very smart to do that. Wow, that'd be a really


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[Assistant] By the way, a little nugget on the Juan Jones. He and I exchanged DMs yesterday.


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[Assistant] Whenever a player comes to Cleveland, I immediately follow them on Twitter.


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[Assistant] Did he wreck, did he, did his PR guy just follow a bunch of people? Right. So I said, hey don't, I just basically said, hey Dewan, I noticed you will follow me.


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[Assistant] Thanks, I appreciate it. P.S. This is not a love note. No, I said, I said, hey, I said, I said, uh, I thought you played a hell of a game against Tennessee. Good luck this week against Baltimore. So we did kind of slide into it.


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[Assistant] If I see you guys hanging out at the mall together, it's a wrap. You guys are officially enough.


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[Assistant] It's very rare that I could stand next to somebody and not look that heavy.


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[Assistant] Denzel. I'll say Denzel and Delpit. Yup, yup, yup.


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[Assistant] Mary Kay, Mary Kay, this is unbelievable. We're doing great. Thank you for joining us. I gotta say, like, obviously it's a long way to go. We can't declare the Browns a great defense based on September. You gotta do it when it matters. But, based on all the sample size we have, it's three games.


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[Assistant] How much of it is Schwartz? How much of it is the talent they added?


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[Assistant] Mary Kay, I want to give you, through three games, this four players on the brown stand out to me as guys who have either


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[Assistant] Or in Dewan Jones' case, he's a rookie, so not a lot was expected late round pick. Dewan Jones, Dustin Hopkins, of course, J.O.K., and Grant Delpit. Of those four guys who I think have been very impressive so far, unexpectedly to some degree, who are you most impressed with?


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[Assistant] So Vontae Davis, I'm retiring in the middle of the show. So yesterday, so Tiki Barber now does Afternoons on the fan in New York with Evan Roberts.


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[Assistant] So they do the afternoon drive. Now, the show used to be, when it was in mid days, it used to be, so Evan Roberts has been hosting on the fan for a long time.


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[Assistant] Uh, was way out of line and Joe started screaming a tiki and said, you hate the Jets because you're a giant. You hate the Jets and you probably didn't even watch the game.


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[Assistant] Oh wow. So he came on his show and attacked him. Yes. Well then Tiki. And Joe put Evan in a tough spot because it's his old partner and his new partner. Yeah. And then, but I thought Tiki just shut off his mic and walked out, which I don't think he should have done that. Well, I'll tell you this.


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[Assistant] Uh, my plan was to now go this week. However, my custom made browns t-shirt that I ordered. Oh, I thought you got a jersey. I decided to get a t-shirt.


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[Assistant] Well, we offered to pay for the jersey. The only reason I bought the t-shirt instead of the jersey is because they said I would get it faster and I wanted to have it for this week. Well, I just heard, I just found out yesterday that I'm not getting it before this Saturday. Oh my goodness. So I'm not going to get it until next week. So should I go without the t-shirt and do this week or should I wait until the Niner game? Wait for the shirt or the Niner game.


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[Assistant] If they, if they beat the Ravens, and you have two weeks to build up to the Niners, it's gonna be- Oh, that'll be sad.


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[Assistant] By the way, let me ask you this. Did you guys watch the Bengals Rams game last night? I did, yeaah. Did you see


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[Assistant] I was like, when they said interception, I was like, what?


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[Assistant] Okay, I saw this, and I brought this up to the guys on the show. Whoever came up with this idea, and I know some of those guys over on KNR,


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[Assistant] This is the stupidest freaking thing I've ever heard in my life. Hell's elves? It doesn't, it doesn't rhyme. It doesn't make any sense. It is the worst nickname ever.


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[Assistant] I'm not going to say the person who came up with this should be fired because that's too extreme. Was it a caller or a host? It was one of the hosts. Oh wow. On the really big show.


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[Assistant] It's even awkward to say. It's just, it's uh, it's uh.


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[Assistant] But, guys, what not everybody knows is you were sitting with Aaron Rodgers at Nick's playoff games. So did he try to talk you into switching off? I know you won't, but did he try to talk you into the Jets?


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[Assistant] Jerry, I gotta ask you this. So, Uh, Entourage is one of my all time favorite shows.


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[Assistant] I read a quote from Kevin Connolly in which he said you are the most unlike your actual character. Do you believe that?


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[Assistant] But in the last year, the Yankees played the Guardians last year, and of course, the Cavs, we, you know, embarrassed ourselves against the Macy's.


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[Assistant] By the way, Yankee fans are so crazy about baseball, like New York fans are so crazy about baseball, like Browns fans are here about football, that when I was on the fan from 2007 to 2011, I remember there was this week,


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[Assistant] One week where Mariano Rivera had a bad week, he blew two saves in a week, like which never happens, right? And there were fans calling the show saying, maybe it's time to move on from Mariano, like that's how nuts people are.


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[Assistant] And by the way, I must ask him about how does it feel, how does it feel to be in a Kanye West video, Knocks You Down featuring Carey Hilsen and Neo. He was in that video.


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[Assistant] I'll tell you this. You mentioned Bayfield. This is a great segue. And I'm not suggesting that he could have gone and didn't. I'm not. Well, here's the segue. I like to see, I like to see your energy level when things happen, right? So when he says, he came out and said, Deshaun was cleared to play. I wanted to go back into antlers of time and figure out.


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[Assistant] So when you tell me, when I watch him walk away like that, that walk away was, damn, I didn't even get DTR, he gonna have to run with this playbook. What am I gonna do? Well they said that he, they said DTR was with the ones all weekend.


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[Assistant] And if he wanted to have the best comment, he said, listen, hey, my job is to protect, uh, uh, Deshaun Watson and his career. My job is to make the best decision for the team. It was my decision.


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[Assistant] It's 16 excuses for certain things. He did not have his backup quarterback ready to play. They say it every week. Everybody has to be ready to play, don't they?


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[Assistant] Tyvus, say it, Tyvus, Tyvus, you go out to, you go out to dinner, right? It's you and a couple friends and it's you and your wife.


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[Assistant] They say, hey, we haven't seen, so glad Tyvis, we haven't seen you in a while. How are things going with you? And the first thing that your wife says is Ty, we cool. Tyvis, Ty, I'm cool, but Tyvis ain't been cool.


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[Assistant] Now guess what? Now, now this is the opportunity. You never fight in public with your spouse. Yeah, that's putting dirty laundry up. That you, that, cause you, we can talk about this when we get to the house.


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[Assistant] All we know is the allegation from her. He has come out.


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[Assistant] And put out all this information and only thing we know from her is the allegation. Why is the mountain


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[Assistant] On him to prove his innocence. Right. When all she said was a word. Now I gotta look through time stamps, metadata, videos, and I just saw the video of him laying next to her.


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[Assistant] And guess what? The system is messed up and I'm mad at this a little bit too. You're lucky he had money. He had enough money to defend himself.


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[Assistant] But, but when you accuse, you gotta understand something, when you accuse somebody of rape, people can die behind that.


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[Assistant] No, no, no. He can go to jail, and when you get to jail, there's two things they don't play with.


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[Assistant] He is always going to be known as a person who allegedly raped somebody. It doesn't go away. And I don't understand how it's okay for you to say that.


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[Assistant] Walk away and then nothing happened. They need to start putting people in jail. It is found out that you are lying about something that serious.


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[Assistant] You're going to jail and they need to put that out. So every other people look around and say, if you want the money that bad, are you willing to risk your freedom for it? If you want to set somebody up because it's out of hand, you don't get a free pass from that. I even, I even tell myself,


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[Assistant] Don't never as a black man claim somebody is racist if you know it ain't true.


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[Assistant] Because they gotta wear that scarlet letter. They gotta wear it. Don't be saying that stuff because that'll ruin somebody's career and life because you insecure and emotional. Don't do that. There's certain things you can't play with and I need them to make an example in these courts that you don't


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[Assistant] The media could do a solid. If you ran a story and you had an opinion about Trevor Bauer, I think it's only right that you run a story and say, you know what, we ran this story two years ago and we were wrong. Here's the reaction to it the other side, because I think that's part of being fair press. They call them balls and stripes.


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[Assistant] Okay, I thought Eric Boone would be available. I'll ask you, uh, even when the Indians had those teams, don't you believe, I thought to me watching with my younger eyes, I thought Sandy was the de facto captain. I think he was.


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[Assistant] Did you get into the, the, the Kanye West, Carey Hilsen, Neo Knocks You Down video? Like, how did, like, how did that just pop up?


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[Assistant] You know, you talked about, uhm, you talked about Miles Garrett. Uhm, you know, what way does Miles Garrett, you know, uhm, I'll give you a, matter of fact, I'm gonna switch my question right here. I'mma, I'mma just give you a couple of names and can you give me what makes these pass rushers great in your opinion? Uhm, Michael Parsons, T.J. Watt, and Miles Garrett. What makes those guys great?


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[Assistant] And this is before NIL 2, uh, I'm, I'm, don't let me find out that y'all was getting some money back then. That defense was, that's crazy.


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[Assistant] Zack Wilson and the Jets played really good against each other.


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[Assistant] He did not concede that game. He didn't sit there with a sheet over his face and look around. He like, look, they were ready to play. They were, he was passionate and they, and they got the most out of that game. The Jets haven't gone squat.


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[Assistant] Play hard this past week? Uhm, I'm saying after it was 14-3 the defense knew it was a wrap.


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[Assistant] Yes sir, and we're gonna, listen, and I'm gonna ask him, don't you jump in, don't you jump in either, you try to filibuster this. You get the first question. I'm gonna ask the first question.


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[Assistant] Why did you get an interview? What? Is this a favor somebody paying off?


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[Assistant] They clap it up for them. But let that grade be anything different from what they thought. And they be saying, how does PFF know what's going on? How do they just get to be the end all be all? Can you explain to us what goes into these grades? And one of the big things, one of the big keys is they say,


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[Assistant] How do they know what plate they're calling? If you don't know what plate they're calling, how are they getting these grades out? Floor's yours.


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[Assistant] Sam, I got a conspiracy theory and I wanna see if you're gonna throw a cherry on top of this thing. Uhm, we all know how great Nick Chubb was. Uhm, I have a theory, uh, the Cleveland Browns offensive line,


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[Assistant] We gave him a lot of credit for a lot of things, but I think that Nick Chubb


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[Assistant] I mean, Nick Chubb, you know, his vision of being able to find


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[Assistant] Backside cracks make the first guy miss and then make the pile move forward. I think Nick Chubb really is an impact when you take him out of the offense as far as the offensive line in a passing game. What have you guys seen from the difference from the Browns offense with Nick Chubb to the few games that they don't have Nick Chubb?


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[Assistant] You know, Sam, I have to shout my guy, uh, John Costco out. I appreciate him. He's always, uh, he works for PFF and he talks about some of the Grady.


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[Assistant] Does the same analyst grade the same players every week or the same teams every week? Or do you kind of mix it up so everybody kind of touches and keeps it, I guess, copasetic, I guess.


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[Assistant] I know Bruce Krakowski obviously played some movies with PFF. John Kosko played at Kansas.


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[Assistant] It could be worse. And I'm looking at you. Wow. It could be worse, yeaah. Wow. It is what it is. It is. We're gonna start with uhm, yeaah. Our basically our shotgun reaction. Yeaah, yeaah, yeaah. What are two minutes about this football game are all about? And, Gene, do you want


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[Assistant] Alright. Rapid fire, by the way, before I get my Brown's take, uh, rest in peace, Tim Wakefield, who passed away. Stunning news. Wow.


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[Assistant] announced that Tim Wakefield had cancer a couple days ago, Tim Wakefield did not want that out there. So awful move. Did he know that? Well, he couldn't have known that. He wouldn't have violated his trust. He in fact said, I'm not sure he wants this out there, but I'm going to say it anyway.


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[Assistant] Do you know that most Americans living today were born after he left office?


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[Assistant] Yeah. That's crazy. That's a mind-blow. I thought he was gonna, I mean, it looked like he was on his deathbed six months ago. Six months ago, his grandson came out and said, it's not looking good. Yeah. And he turned 99 yesterday. The guy, I think he's still building houses for poor people. The guy's amazing. Karma.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, Dianne Feinstein passed away, yes sir. Alright, now to the Browns. Okay, it's easy to panic and flip out and go bananas, but I gotta be the voice of reason.


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[Assistant] Things were bad yesterday, there's no doubt about it. The defense was not great, wasn't bad. And it's pretty hard to play great defense when you have no chance in your offense. When, think about this, the Browns defense played very well early, right? Early, first couple of drives.


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[Assistant] And they quickly realized, wow, we have no shot on offense. Our quarterback cannot play right now. And it's hard to keep up that level of play.


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[Assistant] And, and just be perfect when you're coming back on the field every three plays. Uh, there's plenty of criticism to go around.


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[Assistant] Stefanski deserves some, no doubt. Uh, we can't pit it all on him. Not every time they lose is a play calling. Although I think, and I'm usually anti-complaining about play calling, there is some criticism on that vein that I think is fair.


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[Assistant] And DTR was terrible, but he's a fifth round rookie, and people should have maybe expected that. Nobody was sa- Listen, you could rip the Browns organization all you want, guys, but nobody was saying the Browns should have a veteran quarterback until this game happened. Everybody was excited to see DTR, he fell on his face, the- don't write the guy's career off based on one game, that's not fair either.


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[Assistant] But he was clearly not ready to play and maybe, maybe the Browns should have considered PJ Walker who has played some games in this league. Again, I don't think he's any kind of long-term answer either. And I think we also saw that Deshaun Watson has got to play and play at a high level for the Browns to be successful and you could say that pretty much about every team in the NFL.


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[Assistant] And all their starting quarterbacks, yeaah. Uh, big takeaway, the Browns better sign three more quarterbacks. Cause they're gonna need them.


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[Assistant] This offensive line is gonna get guys hurt all year. We've got two mobile quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] Not only was it a difficult grading curve because it was his first NFL start,


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[Assistant] It was his first NFL start with a line that looks like Swiss cheese.


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[Assistant] They're gonna get guys hurt. I wouldn't be able to safely say, yeaah, we can count on Deshaun Watson when he comes back. He's gonna get hit. There are pinatas back there. And both those guys are mobile and they took shots.


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[Assistant] Deshaun's taken shots this year. Every other clip after the ball fell incomplete, the camera took a shot of DTR.


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[Assistant] Uh, pulling grass out of his face mask. He just got absolutely destroyed. So...


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[Assistant] I don't know what the answer is. I don't know how you fix this. I think that this was a definite come back to earth game. Uh, the offense doesn't have any players. They really don't. Who on this team is making the Pro Bowl?


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[Assistant] Who on this team is a difference-maker offensively? Amari Cooper's a nice piece. Yeaah, yeaah. But that's it.


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[Assistant] So the reality of it is we are an offensively challenged football team. It's like whack-a-mole with the Browns. Need a kicker? Boom! Get a kicker. Need a defense? Boom!


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[Assistant] Get a defense. Now you need an offense. You can never have all three at once. And that's what it takes to be a really, really good team.


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[Assistant] I think we're staring two and three in the face. Anybody that thinks we're gonna beat San Francisco when they come in here two weeks from now? They could lay an egg. It's possible they could win this game. But now you're looking at two and three.


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[Assistant] And a very uncertain future beyond that. So, disappointing.


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[Assistant] But I'm, if, and if I'm passing blame out, which is what we're going to do here today, the bulk of my blame is going on the offensive line.


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[Assistant] Listen, I think you guys are overreacting somewhat. I mean, it's a little prisoner of the moment here. Do they have stars on offense that I'm missing? No, but we knew they didn't have stars on offense when Nick Chubb got hurt. You don't have to have stars on offense. You don't have to have a million stars on offense. The Chiefs only have one star on offense in terms of skill positions.


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[Assistant] Then, it's pointless anyway. Browns are not going to win any games. That's my point. So, they're not going to be that good. But, uh, Yeah, I included him when I said they don't have any Pro Bowlers on this offense. Yes, that's fair.


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[Assistant] In terms of the offensive line, like, I haven't seen how they're stacking up. You know, we watch RF offensive line and guys get hit. You watch every other game this guy's getting hit all the time too. All the time. You see it a lot. Like, I don't know where the... But not as much.


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[Assistant] I don't think that's true. How many times was he knocked down? Jay, a lot of that's him. He was holding the ball way too long. It is what it is. He's the guy back there. The offensive line can't hold up forever. I don't know what his average time per release was, but I don't remember him standing back there for a


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[Assistant] They may, maybe not as, like, Joe Batonio is not playing as well as he has in the past, but all three of those guys are playing well enough. It's the tackles, and especially left tackles, that's a problem.


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[Assistant] No, here's what the PFF grading scale has done.


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[Assistant] It's lessened the sharpness of our eyes. No, it's not, Jay. Because all of a sudden we'll see a number and say, oh well I guess he wasn't that bad.


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[Assistant] Fourteen teams. I'm watching a lot of football.


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[Assistant] What I'm seeing is, and I'm not even ranking them. I don't care what the other teams are doing. I care what my team is doing. And my eyes tell me they're gonna get this dude killed.


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[Assistant] I just think the sh- the good quarterbacks can overcome bad offensive line play.


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[Assistant] Sean Watson did it in Houston. He needs to be able to do it here. The offensive line is not as good as it's been hyped up to be. I agree with you there. And that's a problem. But it's not terrible. Outside the left tackle. That's the only spot it's terrible. Now that's a problem. Well that's. That they've refused to deal with. That is the most important position. But ultimately you can overcome it again.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's, there's blame to go around everywhere. I mean no one is blameless.


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[Assistant] Is it all Stefanski's fault? No. Is it all DTR's fault? No. Is it all the Lions fault? No. You lose as a team, you win as a team. Everybody should have their hand up this game. Yeaah, you know, it's funny, uhm,


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[Assistant] I said, I said earlier that nobody was saying before this game that the Browns should have kept Josh Dobbs. And as soon as the game was over, everybody was screaming about Josh Dobbs, which is silly, but everyone wanted DTR, right? Everybody, DTR. I mean, uh, Josh Dobbs.


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[Assistant] Although he beat Dallas, what's his record as the starting quarterback? In fairness, everybody thought they were going to suck and he doesn't have a lot of talent around him. He's not been awful, but he's not that good. They played well in that game and they played, he played decently in the first half against the Dodgers yesterday. But the thing is, they should have known Stefanski and Berry that this guy wasn't ready to play.


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[Assistant] But if they knew he was going to be anywhere close to as bad as he was, then maybe they should have gone with the veteran in PJ Walker, who at least, it wouldn't be his first NFL game, so he wouldn't be as nervous. I don't know. If Watson can't go in two weeks.


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[Assistant] By the way, we don't know. There's fluid on the sack by the rotator cuff.


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[Assistant] Sometimes that dissipates, sometimes it sticks around. If he can't go, do you think making a change to Walker against San Francisco is the smart move? Or do you put him out there against Joey Bosa and the 49er Wolves? Cause someone's gonna get hurt.


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[Assistant] That puts a major league, a guy on the bump for the first time in the major leagues.


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[Assistant] Shane Bieber. Okay, but what's the answer? There's no better answer. What I'm saying is, not only do you risk getting this guy injured, DTR is not a thick, sound, full quarterback. He's more on the frail, slight side. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Not only do you risk physically injuring him, you could put him in a spot where he starts seeing ghosts. And isn't that the two words you never want to hear in your young quarterback? In my opinion, you're overstating the offensive line issues, and I'm just not worried about that.


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[Assistant] Well, it's not the season. I mean, this is not a serious injury that Watson has. I don't think we can rule that out yet.


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[Assistant] In terms of long-term ramifications, they just don't know yet. So here's what that tells me. And also, the fluid issue is a concern.


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[Assistant] You don't know the severity of it yet. And let's just hope for the sake of this team and 2023 season that Sean, DeSean Watson is throwing the football fine in a week from now and he's practicing leading up to San Francisco and he's able to go. But it does need to start.


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[Assistant] Sifting into the Brown's thought process that that might not be the case. Well, what's the solution? That's what we're talking about. Who do you want? What do we want?


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[Assistant] Bull, it's a question they have to ask if he's ruled out for six to eight weeks.


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[Assistant] Sometimes it's the situation in the player. Sometimes. So a guy- So we also know that once upon a time this guy could play.


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[Assistant] They're all, they're all pretty much the same guy. How old's Karso Wentz? 31? Maybe 32? How's Zinx Foles? Are you serious right now?


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[Assistant] Watson's our guy, and if he's not here, it's a punt anyhow.


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[Assistant] Not Dobbs and DTR too, by the way. It wasn't an either or situation. I know that, but nobody was saying that. No, nobody was. Nobody. Again, that's not our job in the media, or is it the fans' job. But if you're concerned about it, like to kill the Browns now.


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[Assistant] Yes. 100% preparing for the Sean Watson play. Well, from Wednesday on, he took all the reps. No, he didn't take all the reps. He took the passing reps. Yeah, okay. Sean Watson was expecting to play. The team was expecting him to play the whole weekend. Well, Wednesday he didn't practice.


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[Assistant] He probably took all the reps Wednesday. Friday he was taking the, he was taking all the running reps. Watson. All of them. He was doing all the handoffs. But he can't throw. That's a mistake on the Browns.


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[Assistant] I think Friday when he threw the ball once and came over to the trainer, the decision was made there. And I know they were holding out for the best case scenario and I'm sure they probably gave him a shot Sunday morning and said, go see what you have.


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[Assistant] Look, it's, quarterbacks get hurt. It's unfortunate.


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[Assistant] What we have to start questioning now is do we want that again? Do we want to see him? And by the way, the Ravens are, I don't think they're an elite defense, but they're not a bad defense. No, no, no, no. They're a very formidable defense. The Niners come in here with shine.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't, I hope to God they're not thinking that. They can't think that way. I know. I hope not. I don't care what they're thinking. I'm talking about what I'm thinking. The reality is they, they have a very small chance of beating the Niners without Deshaun Watson. Is that fair? Said every team that faced Brock Purdy last year.


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[Assistant] I don't, why would they say that? Well, because he was Mr. Revelevant. He was a rookie quarterback. How's this guy gonna come in here and beat us?


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[Assistant] Okay, but after a couple of weeks when he started playing well, nobody was thinking that. Right. But early on...


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[Assistant] I think it's unlikely the Browns win without Deshaun Watson. Is that fair? That's very fair. Okay, that's all I'm saying. But what you have to start considering is, where's your point on the horizon after that?


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[Assistant] Like you can't just throw your hands up on the season and say thanks for playing. Agreed. So Nick Foles played two games last year for the Colts, right? No touchdowns, four picks. Okay. Completed 50% of his passes. That's, you know, I mean, and maybe he plays better than that. He did, you know, five years ago. I think with Nick Foles. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Uh, and Carson Wentz, and it seems like a lot of quarterbacks now. Baker Mayfield, Deshaun Watson. What we're seeing from most quarterbacks in the NFL, even Joe Burrow right now.


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[Assistant] We're seeing that the gap between their ceiling and their floor is massive.


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[Assistant] It really is. I mean, it's cost guys chances in the NFL. Baker could look so bad that the Browns, the Panthers, and the Rams all said no thanks in the span of about 16 months. Yep.


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[Assistant] Buccaneers said we need someone to replace Tom Brady. Let's get Baker a shot. He was once upon a time a former number one pick and the guy comes out throwing darts.


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[Assistant] It's, I think, we have this, and I know you gotta be going through this with the Bengals. I'm thinking this for you.


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[Assistant] Who the hell is Joe Burrow? What happened to Joe Burrow? Who is this guy?


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[Assistant] I mean even Mahomes, who won the game last night, did not look like Patrick Mahomes.


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[Assistant] Give me the top three quarterbacks right now coming into this season. Here was the conversation. It was, uh, Joe Burrow.


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[Assistant] No, Brock Purdy, I watched Brock Purdy in their primetime game a couple of weeks ago. He still made some throws that he can't make.


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[Assistant] Now he's, he has been really good. He's played very well in four games. You said something at the top I want to, I want to drill down on because you're absolutely right. Here's, my thought going into the game was,


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[Assistant] By halftime the defense is going to get worn down and they're going to throw their hands up in the air.


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[Assistant] The defense was not horrible yesterday. It wasn't the defense we saw the first three weeks. They started off by game busters. They started off saying this.


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[Assistant] We gotta pitch a shutout or three points or it's gonna be a long day. But bringing it back, I don't know how we got to this from Nick Foles. So what I'm saying is, we've got a body of work and I'll use Baker as the example.


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[Assistant] You know, Baker was all over with three different teams and, you know, every, he was the one that had to wait to get a deal and the deal he got with Tampa Bay was not great.


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[Assistant] It was kind of a, okay, I guess that's who I have to sign with. So what I'm saying is, we've seen in Baker's career, he has been Jekyll Hyde. Up, down, really good, really bad, really good, really bad. From three different teams.


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[Assistant] Now he's in a situation where, and even yesterday, Evans was out. Evans was hurt.


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[Assistant] So without his best receiver, he went and beat a really good defense.


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[Assistant] Played a great game. What I'm saying is, these guys, Foles, won a Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Who hasn't played at all in a year, I just don't know that you're likely to get any better play. He doesn't know, they don't know the system. They're new too. Right. They haven't been here. But, you're asking, you're looking around the locker room, you got 52 guys looking at you. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] And especially I'm thinking of Miles Garret. Like look, clock's ticking on Miles, guys. Jason has told us clock is ticking on this guy. He does not want to go.


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[Assistant] Double digit losses for his entire career and have to be Joe Thomas 2.0 and stand up there at the podium in Canton.


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[Assistant] And say, I had a great run, but my teams never did anything. He doesn't want to be that guy. And I don't think he will be that guy. No. If he has to put up with another one of these.


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[Assistant] Like that game yesterday was a really good football game. Well, but the week before he threw four picks. I know he did, but I just watched every, I watched the most of the second half and the overtime of that game. He did a nice job yesterday. I was looking at the throws he was making, the decisions he was making. Here's another example, Zach Wilson. Joe Namath said less than a week ago,


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[Assistant] That is an absolute dumpster fire. He has to go. He's horrible. Zach Wilson last night, guys, was, I don't know if you watched the game, and Collinsworth couldn't have been more...


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[Assistant] He was just heaping praise on him. Could have been more complimentary. He was making throws.


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[Assistant] Six and seven year veterans can't make. So up, down, up, down. That's what you get. That's what you get. No, but I think what they're, what I'm saying and I think what G. Bush is saying


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[Assistant] I have to at this point, and we don't even know, this is all supposition. Deshaun Watson might be on the practice field on Wednesday. He'll be surprised if he doesn't play.


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[Assistant] I will too, but I do know because I've had that injury. I've had the fluid on the, on the rotator cuff. It is painful and it lingers. Now it doesn't always linger. I was told the same thing. It could go away in no time. It could be here for a while, but if it ends up being a while.


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[Assistant] I believe in my heart that he would still be here if they had sat him down.


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[Assistant] Guys, we gotta, we gotta move on because we talked about this a lot, right? We gotta talk about... We stumbled upon it too. There's been a lot of talk about Kevin Stefanski and the play calling.


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[Assistant] I'll say this, number one, I feel like every game the Browns lose, everybody complains about the play calling.


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[Assistant] He gets no credit when they win. Now, that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve blame, because I thought he made some mistakes. I think the overreaction to every time a trick play doesn't work is insane. Trick plays when they don't work always look bad on every team. When they work, we go bananas.


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[Assistant] My biggest problem with Stefanski really was not about how much he threw the ball, because in the second half they had to throw the ball, they were down big.


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[Assistant] I do think that he saw it usually enamored with tight ends. Yesterday I think was the game to use the more tight ends. I thought so too. And try for a dink and dunk offense. And they didn't do it. And that's the fair complaint. Complaining about how often they threw the ball to me, that's unfair. I think it's more looking at the kind of throws they made.


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[Assistant] You gotta put DTR in a position to be successful. And we talked about this on Friday. What is the offense gonna look like? We all said this. Basically gonna be an extension in a running game.


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[Assistant] Without looking at the all 22 yet. I don't know if you've seen the all 22 yet. No. Is were there routes that were open that he should have hit quicker and he just wasn't?


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[Assistant] See it. We don't know, but they didn't highlight that on the broadcast. He was, he, you know, independent of the play calling. DTR was awful in this game. Now I'm not killing him because I, I like many people who saw his preseason when bananas like lunatics.


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[Assistant] You know how it's different now? Your wizard is gone.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but the run game wasn't there when they won. That was mostly Deshaun Watson. Right. But the goal is to win. Doesn't matter. The run game wasn't there. Right. Uhm, and it was irrelevant that it wasn't there in that game. In that game. We don't, right, that's all, that's only, we only have one game. But now we have the next game where the run game was not there at all. Right.


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[Assistant] But, you were going with a quarterback that had no chance. The whole defense was focused on the run.


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[Assistant] And we know he's not Nick Chubb. Now you're zero dimensional.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yesterday you were zero dimensional. Yes, that's fair. Which is the last thing in the world anybody wants to do. I, I, I just gotta, you know, we gotta see, we gotta see, you gotta see more of Ford. I wanna see Pierre Strongmore.


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[Assistant] I'll be curious to see if he does play. I'm hoping, you know, obviously we're all hoping Watt plays against San Francisco. If they will adjust the offense some.


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[Assistant] And if DTR will be a little more confident, confident, because he seemed like he was not confident at all. Seemed like he was in over his head in that game. If he plays again, I mean, I got to assume he's going to start again in two weeks. Unless Deshaun's healthy. Right, even if they did sign Carson Wentz or Nick Foles, I can't imagine they'd play. I guess you never know, right?


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[Assistant] But, uh, we'll see. I mean, I think Stefanski definitely deserves some blame. But the reality is, and I think I've said this before, and I think it's pretty obvious.


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[Assistant] There are not that many difference maker head coaches in the NFL. There's four or five that make a difference. I think we played one yesterday.


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[Assistant] They gave him a high degree of difficulty. You're right. Again, what we don't know is maybe some of those plays were supposed to be quick hitters and he didn't see it or he was nervous and didn't throw it.


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[Assistant] And if that is the case, then you better start getting somebody else. And if you're right and he didn't do that, and that's on Stefanski, but my point was originally is that I think there's roughly five coaches that make a difference in a big time way.


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[Assistant] But when I was looking at the game and they would show shots of Harbaugh, he had a cool, calm,


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[Assistant] Poker players demeanor. I saw that too. He knew.


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[Assistant] He was without starters all over the field! Yea, but he had his most important starter. And that's big! Yea. But, so there's a question for you. Would you rather your team go into a game minus eight starters?


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[Assistant] Offense and defense, or minus your starting quarterback. And if you have an offense that is deep with talent, I'd take...


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[Assistant] I'd take that one, because I've got other playmakers. But what was exposed yesterday, and I'm going to say this too,


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[Assistant] Cleveland Browns fans have historically, and are right now, over-evaluating the talent we have at wide receiver by miles. Well, I said that before. By miles. And I was... No, but Bull, that has a benefit. That is that every year thing. Every fan base does that. However, however.


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[Assistant] When you look at what we have at Wide Receiver, it's, I said after week two,


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[Assistant] I said, at the end of the season when we're doing our post-mortem, we're going to look back.


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[Assistant] And Miles Garrett is a top five pass rusher. You said the interior pass rush. Just take it as a unit. Pass rush. Pass rush. You said detackles though. Right, but I'm saying.


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[Assistant] Let's go, let's go! So listen to me. Come on! What I'm saying is if you've got no other playmakers on offense. They have playmakers! What are they supposed to do? You had a quarterback that couldn't play!


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[Assistant] Average tight end. Better than average. What about marquees good? Average tight end.


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[Assistant] The Jets are the Browns. Their fan base is the Browns fan base. They talk themselves into- Steeler fans are saying Kenny Pickett's gonna be the next star. They talk themselves into the idea that they're better than they are. That's what we've done here. Did Steeler fans not think Kenny Pickett was gonna be great? How's he been so far? He's fresh. Some did, some did. I think the problem in Pittsburgh is the offensive coordinator.


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[Assistant] And Jim Schwartz is a great coach and he'll adjust as well. But here's the thing, the other, the, the touchdown that put the game out of hand at 21-3 when they scored that third. Andrew, that was a great throw by Lamar and a great catch by Andrew. That was the greatest. What are you going to do? That was the coverage. The coverage was good. Vintage Lamar. That was a beautiful throw.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, what scares me is the team that's coming in here in two weeks is even better at doing that.


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[Assistant] One thousand percent. Doesn't mean they're not still there and there aren't still issues, but then you forget about all that. As we sit here thirteen days from the game, my confidence level that that's going to happen is very low.


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[Assistant] That's a playbook. That's great. But here's the thing, I gotta make it. Well, if Deshaun Watson likes him and he comes back healthy and they finish 12 and 5, that's great. That's great. If Deshaun Watson likes him,


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[Assistant] He comes back healthy and the Browns finish 7 and 10. That's not good. That's not good. Yeah. But to me, or at least loses the play calling. No, he's fired. I would, I'm with G I instead of just dismissing him and firing him.


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[Assistant] I would be all in on a move where Jimmy or somebody came to him and said, you're staying on as the head coach.


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[Assistant] But you're hiring an offensive coordinator, whether that's Van Pelt or not, you're, you're, it's going to be a true offensive coordinator. You're going to be the head coach of the team. We've seen your play calling now for four full seasons. We're ready to move on from it.


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[Assistant] You can stay as head coach if you want. I would be fine with that. And it's not like he doesn't have input. What's your biggest beef with the offense? Bland.


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[Assistant] Nick Chubb went out and I dismissed it because it didn't that wasn't the case against Tennessee.


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[Assistant] But what he said is, now we're really gonna see how Stefanski can coach offense. And I said, why? What does that mean? He said, this team is built for Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] They're not built for a 35 throw, uh, passes a game.


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[Assistant] And they don't have another Nick chubbin' the wings. And his phrase was, and I've used it on the show, Nick hides a lot of your warts.


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[Assistant] And now they're going to be exposed. So I think the, I say they were caught in an unfortunate spot. They drafted Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] And Nick Chubb turned into the top three, one of the top three backs in the NFL.


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[Assistant] So I don't blame the Browns for saying we're gonna build around this guy, but as Bull has pointed out a million times on this show...


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[Assistant] So, if that's the case and we know it is, the Browns kinda had the misfortune of having one of the best running backs in the league at a time when it just doesn't fit its purpose. When Jim Brown was the best running back in the league, that's how you won.


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[Assistant] Unfortunately for the Browns, they had Nick Chubb in a passing era, and now they don't have Nick Chubb, and the point that my buddy was making that seems to be on point, we're gonna see now. We're gonna see now. Well, but how is it on, at this point,


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[Assistant] Stavansky could have called a perfect game, they still probably weren't going to win yesterday. The degree of his coaching play calling, the degree of difficulty has drastically gone up.


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[Assistant] He's lost his best quarterback and his best running back.


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[Assistant] In a vacuum, if you just consider those two points. Right. Now, as we like to say, all eyes are on you. Well, I get it. All eyes are on Stefanski and Watson. They're gonna be asked to carry this team. Right. And if they can't get it done, we know Watson can't be fired, so Stefanski's gonna be fired and should be. If the Browns don't go to the playoffs,


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[Assistant] But if they finish under 500 and I don't want to hear it, he's done, that's it, goodbye. But I will say this one quick sidebar, as much as I love Nick Chubb and he's my all time favorite Browns player.


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[Assistant] Uh, Christian McCaffrey is the best back in the league. Oh, he's so versatile. Yeaah. He's a wide receiver and running back in one. And he still can do a lot of the things that Nick can do. I think the reason that the pendulum has swung back into his court now, and I think it's because


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[Assistant] Early on, he was dinged a lot. Well, and he was missing a lot of action. Well, early on he wasn't, but don't know. Yeah, his first couple of years, right? And then he had, then he had a stretch where it was just like this guy can't, right? He had two years and everybody fell.


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[Assistant] Which is a point. When does this defense start forcing turnovers? We're a quarter away through the season.


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[Assistant] Listen, I found a hundred dollars. A lot of turnovers are gifts. But sometimes you find teams that make their own breaks. They rip the ball away, they step in front of passes and they don't drop them when they're in their hands. This team, to be an all-time great defense, has to be better than 30th in the NFL and takeaways. Sure.


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[Assistant] Well, it's a tricky situation because in this hand I say, well, he was awful.


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[Assistant] He was. But, realistically, I would say, what do you expect? But, on Friday, when we thought DTR might play, you guys all said you were sticking with the Browns. We were all talking ourselves into, maybe he can do it. Well, here's the thing. Perdy did it.


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[Assistant] How many games have the Patriots won since that Bailey-Zappy game? Two? That's kinda crazy. Man, to date, that was the biggest defeat Bill Belichick has ever had, including his years in Cleveland. They say they're calling for Bill's head out there right now. Well, look, Super Bowl equity carries a couple of years.


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[Assistant] But because Brady went on and won one without him, a lot of Patriots fans I know started, the pendulum was always in the middle. It's 50 Tom, 50 Bill.


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[Assistant] And, and then when Bill, uh, Tom went and won one in Tampa, with a playoff, with the team that missed the playoffs here before, that went to like 60-40.


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[Assistant] Let's face it, Bill Belichick, the GM, has been a failure for a number of years. He's been terrible at that. Also, I thought his advantage early on in his career was he outworked everybody.


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[Assistant] Is partly why everybody is able to do that now. They're all doing the same thing he did. DTR wasn't the only rookie making a debut. Aiden O'Connell of the Raiders. Oh yea, because Garoppolo was hurt. And they almost won.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't know about almost one, but... The Chargers, what? Well, he hurt his hand. I know, but you talk about a quarterback or a coach that's gotta be in the sling.


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[Assistant] I mean, they're two and two, and they easily could be oh and four.


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[Assistant] Not great. I mean, look at the, look at Trent Dilfer with the Ravens.


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[Assistant] You know, look at, look at, uh... But again, you can't play...


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[Assistant] You really don't. Fred Gilford didn't do much. Brad Johnson didn't do much. Again, the odds that they're going to be that good defensively. Jim McMahon didn't do much. Again, it was a totally different game when those teams played.


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[Assistant] But the defense was, but great. Odds that this Brown's defense is gonna be as good as those is minuscule. Can that be the Legion of Boom? Yeah, but you can't win with a C offense in the Legion of Boom. Okay. They weren't a C offense.


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[Assistant] And the Browns won't have a sea offensive, Watson. They better not. They can't. They can't have. By the way, by the way, the two Chargers losses were by two points to the Dolphins and then the other one was in overtime. Wasn't the Dolphins, weren't they down huge and they came back?


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[Assistant] The Dolphins came back to 1. Who was their other loss? Who was their other loss? The Titans in overtime. They blew that lead. So they could be 4-0 also. I think they're coaches.


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[Assistant] I'm a little down on Tomlin right now too. I mean, he doesn't want a playoff game in years. It's fair to be down on Tomlin because to your point. He doesn't get a career pass. I mean, I think he's a good coach. I don't, and they, and they have overachieved to be mediocre the last couple of years.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but that's fine, but it's fair to say that if I was a Steeler fan now, I'd


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[Assistant] It's not crazy to say maybe it's time to move on from Tomlin. As good as he's been. I wanna see them with an offensive coordinator. I, you know, we've talked about this on the show. The, the, the fatal mistake. But that's on Tomlin. He hires bad assistants. Well, not, not according to Adidi. According to Adidi, yes he does and he doesn't develop them to become head coaches, but according to Adidi,


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[Assistant] When everybody in the room knew that Canada wasn't the guy.


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[Assistant] Rooney didn't want to fire him because he doesn't want to pay a coach that's not on his staff.


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[Assistant] They knew they had to be almost perfect. And when the offense turns it over and they score seven points right off the bat.


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[Assistant] I think some of the air left their balloon and they knew that


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[Assistant] They were like you're facing a pitcher that's gonna throw a public game. That was a crusher. That, that...


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[Assistant] And it's hard to play at the level they were playing at the first few weeks is nearly impossible. And the offense can't tackle. Because when we throw interceptions these guys are returning at 40 and 50 yards.


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[Assistant] No, I- I had them 9 and 8 and out anyhow.


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[Assistant] Okay. The only thing that's gonna change for me is Watson not being healthy and or mostly playing crappy. If he plays mostly crappy or if he's hurt, then yea, that changes it. I don't think they're gonna win.