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[Assistant] And four scores on those six possessions, you would say, hey, that quarterback probably had an okay game, even though his numbers didn't necessarily...


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[Assistant] Two decisions. Number one, starting a game with onside kick, which the Raiders recovered, had a short field, immediately drove 44 yards and scored a touchdown. So now you're down 7-0 with your new team, uh, before your offense even touches the ball, because you decided to give the other team a short field. And number two, uh, you guys remember who?


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[Assistant] And then, and then another special team's thing is that look, Sean Payne cleaned house, got rid of his kicker, said, Hey, Brandon McManus, we don't need you. He brings in his own guy, Will Lutz. What does Will Lutz do in his first game? He misses an extra point and a one point loss and he misses a field goal. Field goal was a long one, so it's a little more acceptable. But again,


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[Assistant] No, it was in Denver. It was in Denver. It was in Denver, why am I here?


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[Assistant] So yeaah, you have a kicker missing two kicks and one point loss and it was a kicker that you handpicked. Uh, yeaah, so I think that the Broncos got let down by their special teams and Sean Payton had the direct hand in both parts of the special teams to let them down.


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[Assistant] Uh, did we talk about how handsome Jimmy Grappo looked in silver and black? He looks great. He actually looked pretty good.


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[Assistant] I would say I thought CJ Stroud wasn't horrible. I thought he played against the toughest defense of these three quarterbacks. Uh, and.


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[Assistant] I mean, you were talking about the level of competition and that we don't know. Four weeks from now we might be saying, and the Ravens are giving up 40 points per game, then the Texans look horrible for scoring nine, but I do think the Ravens have a very good defense and


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[Assistant] It seems like the decision making is a little bit slower with these guys, and so you see them taking sacks. Richardson got sacked four times, as I said, Shroud got sacked five times, I think Bryce Young took a couple sacks, uh, and so that's one of those things.


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[Assistant] I mean, I thought these guys all played kind of how we thought they would. None of them had one of those, you know, Cam Newton, 2011 throw for 400 yards and three or four touchdowns. Uh, right.


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[Assistant] It was just, it's exactly what you expect from a rookie quarterback. None of them were horrible where you thought, oh my God, that team wasted their pick.


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[Assistant] Uh, and so, yeaah, I wasn't wowed and I wasn't thinking that these guys, uh, are gonna be out of the league in two years, so.


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[Assistant] Uh, I was not a believer really last year, this year.


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[Assistant] Dominate special teams. Dominate. Their defense might be better than it was last year and their defense was awesome last year. I have their defense in fantasy. They scored 41 fantasy points. I mean, I have their defense in three out of my four leagues. So yeah, they draw in.


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[Assistant] All in on the Cowboys. So yeaah, I mean that was, but you know the thing is, and this is kinda going back to the Browns situation, that yes, they won.


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[Assistant] So the offense net, right, for instance, so, so we, McCarthy didn't get tested as far as what's going to happen when it's the fourth quarter and your offense coordinator is trying to call, you know, Ezekiel at snapping the ball. Obviously it's not in the middle anymore, but you know, it's one of those weird plays. They call it at the end of a playoff loss. Uh,


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[Assistant] So yeaah, I think that's your biggest question now is, is the offense going to be good? Cause the defense just looks, oh my god, fantastic. That I feel very comfortable with the Super Bowl pick. I'm a little worried about Brandon Aubrey, their new kicker. Uh, that would be the other. This is first at your point.


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[Assistant] Wait, before we rank, I would like to throw out this stat that is on YouTube because Daniel Jones has out Andy Dalton. Andy Dalton. Impossible. Daniel Jones now 1 in 10 in prime time, which is the worst record among any NFL quarterback with at least 10 prime time stars.


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[Assistant] Well, I will say real quick that Wilson asked, how do you fix this? And I will say that you fix it by playing the Arizona Cardinals. And that's what the Giants do in week two. So. Wait though, they won't.


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[Assistant] Imagine making that trade last week. Everybody's like, what the hell are you guys doing? And then first game he comes out and scores a touchdown, uh, and his first quarter on the field.


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[Assistant] No, alright. No one uses paper anymore, Wilson.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Bill O'Brien, look, here's what I'll say about, I'm going to go to the defense real quick too, because like for instance, I picked the Patriots and I actually thought the Patriots were the better team. I mean, you're talking about the pick six, obviously, uh, but then the next


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[Assistant] You gotta pick six plus a 26 yard touchdown drive and otherwise, I mean that, so their defense set up those two scores on.


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[Assistant] Uh, so, you know, people will text us sometimes and say, ask us for betting advice, obviously, because we cover the NFL for a living. And the advice I gave out to someone was that...


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[Assistant] No, no, it was bet as much money as you want on the commander's money line because there's no way they're losing. And it was minus 300. It's obviously not great value, but you're assuming you're sweating that one. You're making your money back, right? So yes, bet minus 300. I mean, yes.


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[Assistant] And the commanders won, so it didn't matter and I look like a hero, uh, but, but that being said, you know, it was, I feel like this was more about Sam Howe making his first start. He got beat up.


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[Assistant] The Cardinals defense is that good? Cause I do feel like one of the biggest commanders, question marks, one of the season was their offensive line. I think Brandon Scherf got hurt at some point. And so you're talking about how he took six sacks. Uh, he never had a lot of time. He threw not a great interception. Uh, and he kind of kept the Cardinals.


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[Assistant] So I just think it was, it was more of Hal playing his first game, struggling a little bit and that kept the Cardinals in the game. Cardinals offense was just as bad, possibly even worse than we all thought it was going to be.


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[Assistant] So it was, there was no way the Cardinals were staying in this game unless their defense did something and their defense did to their credit.


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[Assistant] I'll tell you what happened, it was your boy Eugene Wilson. Dang it. Look.


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[Assistant] Uh, but all I was gonna say is that look, I thought the Seahawks, I think I had them at 7 and 10.


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[Assistant] Uh, I just thought that Gino is going to struggle this year and, you know, going against Aaron Donald's a little different because he's arguably the best defense player in NFL history. Uh, but the Seahawks offense did not look good today, especially in the second half. Here is a fun game for you guys.


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[Assistant] No, the Rams just have to finish in second or first place and I win the bet.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, so if they finish in third or fourth, Beasley wins the bet. If they finish in second or first, I win the bet.


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[Assistant] They played a bad Bengals team that has been bad in every week one that Joe Burrow's been there and no one expected the Bengals to win. And we don't know if Deshaun Watson's any good cause he didn't look good. So yes, that's an overreaction.


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[Assistant] Uh, I do think that's absolutely possible, but I'll say since he did it against the Bears, it is a slight overreaction. I will wait to see what he does against a good team. Although the Packers, Falcons, Saints, Lions, next couple weeks, he might not see a good team until week 4.


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[Assistant] That is the most correct statement that you have ever uttered on this podcast. The Cowboys are not just the best team in the NFC, they're the best team in the NFL. They're getting to the Super Bowl, uh, as long as Dak doesn't choke anything away and Mike McCarthy doesn't, for instance, you know, blow anything up. But I think, I think we're good.


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[Assistant] I'll take Tennessee Saints. You say one thing and I'll say one thing.


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[Assistant] That is going to be something to watch if it was just, uh, TNL's worst game of the season or if this is going to be a problem all year.


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[Assistant] And someone pointed out that Burrow had 82 yards. I very well know that, but he did not turn the ball over. Tanhill.


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[Assistant] Well, you just want to see confidence. Number one, you want to see him go out there and show commanded the offense that he's been operating since OTA's rookie mini camps and all of those things. Even in training camp, he's beginning one reps, uh, as well as Davis Mills. But I feel like this is going to be an exciting game, man, because you have.


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[Assistant] Dynamic. I'm a big fan of Trace McSorley and what he brings to the table and Malik Cunningham the wild card, right? That can play receiver and or quarterback. So.


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[Assistant] This is gonna be an entertaining game. I do like the over, but I like the Texans.


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[Assistant] To win. So I'm going to lay those three and a half points with the Texans. I just feel like Davis Mills versus Bailey Zappi.


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[Assistant] Davis Mills with these young receivers and I think the defense will stay aggressive for, for Houston. Knowing D'Amico Ryan, he wants to play aggressive attack style defense. So I think the Texas can win this one, but I do like the over.


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[Assistant] Well, we saw him get benched last year, right? So it's not out of the realm of possibility that


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[Assistant] It's cheaper to go with Bailey Zappi. You might as well throw him out there. So that's why this particular preseason game is going to be must-see TV.


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[Assistant] Listen, I like this game too because of the quarterback situation in Carolina. You have Bryce Young, you still have a young Matt Corral who has a lot to play for. This is his regular season. So he's going to have to play.


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[Assistant] To make himself attractive to other teams. So you're going to get the best out of Matt Correal. Hopefully he can stay out there healthy. I think the roster, offensively, from a skill player's perspective,


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[Assistant] I kind of like what JLC said about the Panthers. They have a lot of skill talent there. They have a lot of youth and athleticism on defense. And when you look at the Jets backup quarterback situation,


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[Assistant] I thought we were going to get a lot of Zach Wilson in the Hall of Fame game. We didn't.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I thought Chris Strebler is Mr. Preseason. He ends up getting hurt and now he's, uh, waived injured. You got Tim Boyle. Now, you want to talk about the real bag man in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Listen, you talk about things that you would have to sit down and explain to me and I said, would understand like how airplanes fly, how the telephone works, you know, how what we're doing here, we can actually speak in live real time. Tim Boyle.


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[Assistant] Has never thrown more touchdowns and interceptions in his career at Yukon, at Eastern Kentucky.


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[Assistant] And four years into the NFL, his average yards per attempt at Yukon was 4.7. It was six even at, at Eastern Kentucky is 5.4 in the NFL.


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[Assistant] How is Tim Boyle in the NFL as a quarterback? That's going to be Mr. 2nd and 3rd quarter, uh, for the Jets. I like the Panthers defense. I think the Panthers will win here, so I'm going to lay these points, uh, with the Panthers. Shout out to Tim Boyle for making it to the NFL, playing four plus years. Um, it's not a knock.


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[Assistant] I just have questions. I need someone to walk me through how he was able to hold his own with those numbers in college.


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[Assistant] And last four years in the NFL with those numbers.


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[Assistant] Well, listen, I like him with Indianapolis. I like him with...


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[Assistant] Up front is more than a lot of teams. Ryan Kelly, the center, Quentin Nelson, the guard, Brady Smith, the tackle. So they're fine there. They have about 15 legit options at tight end. Um, and they also have some good wide receivers and Pittman, Alec Pierce, Josh Downs, the rookie. So there's a lot to like about Indy. And if you guys remember last year.


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[Assistant] This was one of the more entertaining preseason games. This game went down to the wire. You got Sam Halliger versus I think Matt Barkley. They were competing going back and forth. But in this game, I think the Colts have a lot more depth than the Bills do.


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[Assistant] Uhm, then we're gonna get Gardner-Minshew and then you should have Sam Ellinger who is Mr. Preseason. So I feel like that continuity along with the young depth that they have, the talent that they have on offense could help keep this going more so than Buffalo. So I like the, the Colts here to win. I will also take the under, uhm, as well.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think both teams, you're right, JLC, both coaches will kind of treat this like a regular season game, especially with the excitement we saw.


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[Assistant] Coming out of Cleveland last weekend, uh, with Dorian Thompson Robinson and how he had some wild plays. Guys were making plays across the field. I feel like Washington wants to show up and show out in front.


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[Assistant] This whole, this, this whole crowd. So I like this game as a matchup standpoint. I'd like both rosters. I think both teams will be really good this year. Washington, I agree with you. Brissette is probably better than Howell. So how much of Howell will we see? How much of Brissette will we see? Otherwise we'll get a lot of Jake from, and that could kind of swing it back in.


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[Assistant] Cleveland's direction but I feel like we'll get a lot of brisette here enough to where I could


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[Assistant] Take Washington and the points, but I do like the over because I feel like when you have a Dorian Thompson Robinson, that's exciting. And you have the young QB out there trying to make plays. You're going to let him rock out probably from the third quarter on. And then we should see some fun football, get some points on the board. So I like the over too.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I like Miami in this spot. As you can probably tell the theme here is quarterback depth chart, right? Um, I like their quarterback depth chart. You have playoff starting quarterback Schuyler Thompson. So, you know, he's going to get in late, which means you have someone that has some experience with something to prove because he still wants to be that second quarterback over Mike White.


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[Assistant] So for me, I like that there's some competition going on at quarterback. And I also like the fact that the Dolphins defense has a lot of depth.


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[Assistant] So even their second and third string guys are legit dudes that's going to give this, this team some problems. And when you think about Atlanta.


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[Assistant] Their backup quarterback situation, I know they got Taylor Heinecke. That's a guy that's, that's Taylor made pun intended for the preseason. Their defense is front loaded with a lot of great starters. So we won't see probably any of those guys in the preseason or maybe a few.


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[Assistant] Depth wise, concern, question. They even deal with some injuries during training camps. So how much will we see them? How much will we see Bijan Robinson, if at all? How much will we see Talal El-Jir, who's counted on to be their, their one B to Bijan's one A. So there's a lot of uncertainty about the roster for Atlanta. That's why I like Miami, uh, plus a point here.


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[Assistant] Listen, I'll say this quickly because I don't know if y'all watched the USFL All Spring, but


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[Assistant] Alex Magoo is about to light up the Bengals. Really? The Bengals are in trouble. I think this is one of those rare blowouts because of what JLC talked about when you're the Bengals and your star quarterback went down.


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[Assistant] Jamar Chase, you're not going to risk T Higgins, you're not going to risk none of your stars. So you're going to come probably start the game with backups. And then once Jordan loves series of two is done.


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[Assistant] You have a real competition between, between Sean Clifford and also Alex Magoo. Magoo won the USFL MVP this year and has won the second, uh, back to back USFL championship. This was, this year he won it as a full time starter. So.


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[Assistant] It's Magu-time. And I tweeted out during the season, uh, during their spring season, like this dude is the new Don Makowski. Lo and behold, he sides with Green Gate.


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[Assistant] So exactly. So it's about to be fun in, uh, uh, in this preseason game. I think the bingo is about to get rolled.


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[Assistant] Knacking hardball, man. I love the Ravens here because they have more explosive skill talent than Philadelphia does at the second, third, fourth string part of their roster. They go deep with speed, deep with skill. Keeping an eye on Keith Mitchell. He was my number five running back in this draft class. This dude has legit.


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[Assistant] So he's going to find one of these little creases in the third or fourth quarter and make a house call. And everybody's going to be talking about Keaton Mitchell all throughout the rest of the week and defensively they're facing


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[Assistant] After Jalen Hurts series or two, if he gets a, if he gets a second series, they're facing Marcus Mariota, Tanner McKee, and Ian Book. No shot to those guys, but.


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[Assistant] The Ravens play these games like they try to win and the Ravens backup quarterbacks are preseason type quarterbacks to where they, they thrive. They played a lot, you know, the last two seasons because of injury to Lamar Jackson. So their experience, it's a new offense. So we should see some.


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[Assistant] The kinks being worked out, I get it, but I think the Ravens cover here, so I'ma lay these six points.


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[Assistant] I like the Titans plus the points, competing quarterbacks. You want to see how Malik will as a second year in the offense. We want to see the rookie Will Levis. They have a lot to play for. And if you guys quickly notice, uh, the best way I think to play preseason is to have fun with it because it is fake football.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm a die-hard Philadelphia 4x4 fan. My mood largely hinges on sort of the state of the professional franchises in Philadelphia, so that's gonna dictate kinda how happy I am, but obviously it's been some good times recently being an Eagles fan, so no complaints there.


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[Assistant] Certainly would help with team Princeton. Yeah, I'm more inclined to lean towards this being, uh, nonsense. Obviously he's going to be showcased in this preseason game against the Chargers. I think if he goes and balls out as a really impressive performance, then there's a scenario where


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[Assistant] I really think San Francisco would benefit for those reasons, uh, that you listed, Princeton.


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[Assistant] Moving Lance, but considering, uh, kind of, you know, the position, how important it is, having a guy familiar with the playbook, I think it benefits them on a friendly contract to at least be here one more year unless they get totally blown over with a really solid offer, which I don't think is going to happen.


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[Assistant] Far more likely they're a bottom 10 offense. Looking at the offseason, the big move as far as skill position players were concerned was adding Alan Robinson who is completely cooked at this stage of his career. Zero separation.


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[Assistant] But just really unable to open up any running lanes for Najee Harris. Najee Harris looks to me a lot more like Todd Gurley at the end of his career or Trent Rickinson.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna personally lean nonsense, although I do think that Levis will ultimately be the backup. I'm with you guys. I've seen enough, uh, from Willis to think that he's earned the backup job. He's certainly looked well.


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[Assistant] He's played well in the preseason, definitely shows a lot more command of the offense. It was rough watching him as a rookie, but yeah, looks a lot better. Obviously offers a dual threat option as well, which I think is beneficial to the offense. But I just think because of Levesse's draft pedigree, uh, he'll ultimately be the backup, coupled with the fact that he's really seemed to


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[Assistant] Practice reports that might be, you know, coming out of Tennessee with the hopes that he does win the backup job. But I just think reading the tea leaves here, there's too much to suggest that Tennessee really wants Levis as the backup. So I think he ultimately will be the backup, although I don't think he's been necessarily earning the job based on his preseason performance.


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[Assistant] I would agree here. I think it's very, I think it's very unlikely that he departs Indianapolis. If this was maybe the year 2000 or 2005, I'd be more inclined to believe that where teams were, you know, investing more in the running back position.


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[Assistant] But considering they're asking for a first round pick or a second round pick and then going to have to extend Jonathan Taylor afterwards, when it's very likely his best years are behind him, uh, teams have smartened up quite a bit. I don't think any team is foolish enough.


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[Assistant] To give them that sort of draft compensation and then to go give Jonathan Taylor a large contract. So it'd be a huge error. I think it's very likely he ends up playing this season with the Colts.


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[Assistant] Superlatives? Uh, I think I was most talkative, actually, or most disruptive maybe in class. Yeah, I know, I got introverted now, but back then I was a social butterfly, so.


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[Assistant] Oh, there's an amazing YouTube video. It's like two hours long breaking down how it's very likely Snowpiercer is a sequel to Willy Wonka.


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[Assistant] On the field, I would absolutely agree. I thought Ze Flowers looked phenomenal. I think he's going to be one of the more productive rookie wide receivers as well. Uh, his skill set just aligns really well, uh, with Lamar Jackson. There's a huge opportunity on that depth chart as well. Really hard to trust Rashad Bateman, who's on


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[Assistant] 2019. So I think he could easily emerge as that second target behind Mark Andrews and just catch a ton of passes over the middle of the field in a new look revamp. Todd Monk and Lamar Jackson led offense. So I think there's a tremendous opportunity for him to be productive right away. I love if I was the season.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I've got two. I've got Raishi Rice to potentially lead all rookies in receiving yards. I think this guy is going to end up


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[Assistant] As Patrick Mahomes, number one receiver. Obviously we know Travis Kelsey is the guy in that offense, but there is a huge opportunity for Raishi Rice who has looked very good in the preseason. 13 targets, 11 catches, 126 yards.


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[Assistant] He is a pick. That's so appropriate. I believe he has an NCAA record, six defensive touchdowns, uh, 14 interceptions. That was in the SEC. That obviously translates right away. If you guys watch the Super Bowl of preseason games, which I certainly did,


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[Assistant] Uh, the commanders versus the Ravens a few nights ago. He had a play, a third and one play, Melvin Gordon on a sweep.


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[Assistant] Uh, gave up the fourth fewers passing yards in the league. They have a very good secondary on paper.


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[Assistant] He's going to start at corner. I think he's going to be tasked.


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[Assistant] With slowing down AJ Brown, slowing down CD Lamb, he's gonna get his hands on some balls. I think some quarterbacks are gonna test him and they're gonna find out really quickly how this kid has elite playmaking skills. I think he has a great shot to be defensive rookie of the year. Reminds me from an attitude perspective, a lot of sauce gardener who won the award last year, so.


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[Assistant] Uh, he is likely going to be the featured early down runner for this Eagles team. Obviously they signed Rashad Penny, they acquired Deandre Swift.


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[Assistant] with Kenny Gainwell in the first two preseason games. He was starting, he was on the field in the first quarter for those games. I see he's also a Nick Sirianni favorite, one of his first draft picks as well. So I think Gainwell is going to end up


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[Assistant] Leading that team in rushing attempts to get him at 200 to 1 odds in my opinion is insane value. So that's the spot I absolutely love.


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[Assistant] And then last but not least, I'm actually shocked that this pic is still up on the board right now. It's DJ Chark under 675 and a half.


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[Assistant] Just got hurt. I thought this would get taken off the board. I've heard reports suggesting that it's going to potentially, at the very least, limit him early in the season. He could potentially miss time.


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[Assistant] So I think it's a great spot to fade him. We've also seen just the Carolina offensive line has looked absolutely dismal. Uh, it's gonna need time for Chark who runs a lot of those routes deep down the field. It's gonna take time for those routes to develop.


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[Assistant] And that offensive line has just given up a ton of pressure in the preseason. So I don't think he's going to be on the field that much when he is. I have some major question marks regarding his productivity. I think 700 yards is a huge ask. He's been in the league five years. He's already missed almost two and a half seasons worth of games.


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[Assistant] You get away from football for a little bit and then you start missing it and you get the edge again.


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[Assistant] For me that first catch is everything. Once I get one catch I'm in the zone.


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[Assistant] We can't wait. Can't wait. We can't wait. We can't wait.


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[Assistant] I'm doing great, I'm getting a little bit anxious here, I was just telling Will, what do we like, a little lesson.


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[Assistant] 12 days from the start of training camp. The summer vacation is almost over. I'm ready to get going here.


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[Assistant] Well, I think that they, they had to work through a lot of things and one of the things that I think that has been said this off season that really opened my eyes a little bit was Isaiah McKenzie did the Tyler Dunn podcast.


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[Assistant] And he was talking about his impressions of that first year with Ken Dorsey and he said, he's got kind of that aggressive gunslinger mindset as a play caller. And so you saw a lot of deep shots last year and I think.


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[Assistant] Sometimes the offense takes the personality of the play caller. And I think one of the things that Dable did so well was really finding a way to matriculate the ball down the field consistently, find different ways. McKenzie specifically, like in that gadget role over the last couple of years, he wasn't doing much of any of that last season. They were missing that. So I think,


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[Assistant] Brandon Bean is really good at evaluating when things go wrong, fixing them, right? Like early on in his tenure, he had Kelvin Benjamin, he had Andre Holmes, bigger body, catch point guys. And then they went to the Smurfs model, right? John Brown, Cole Beeson, and it worked, right? That's their term, not mine.


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[Assistant] And what do we have to figure out to add those elements that maybe we lost from the offense when Dable left? So they go out and they draft Dalton Kincaid. They go out and pay a lot of sneaky money to Deontay Hardy, who was really good in New Orleans a couple of years ago. If he could stay healthy, I think they want him to be good. So is there concerns? Sure.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but I think he's gonna, has the potential to be better in year two, Dorsey does, and he has one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. It's funny you mentioned that about, you know, people wanting to kind of.


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[Assistant] I'm curious to see if he could have taken a run at the all time NFL passing playoff record of 13 touchdowns.


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[Assistant] There's been a lot of time thinking about this and we don't have a lot of information to go off of, right? There's all of these various reports that we've heard over the last couple of weeks and months


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[Assistant] And leading up to mini camp, I mean, Sean and Brandon really downplayed this whole thing. And our lasting image for the off season was digs, arms raised, screaming at Josh Allen on the sidelines against Cincinnati. And so.


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[Assistant] He's an answers guy, right? Like he wants answers for his questions. And when he first got here, they went to the AFC title game. Everybody remembers the image of him watching the chief celebrate their trip to the Superbowl. They get really close the next year, almost ending in a better way, right? The only reason they lost is because their offense couldn't get on the field last and Patrick Mahomes got the ball last.


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[Assistant] And then you go to 2022 when they bring in Von Miller, all the chips are on the table, and it almost feels like you took a step back in the way that you lost to Cincinnati. Now there's a lot of reasons for why the season ended that it did, but if you're Stefan Diggs and you didn't like the way the offense


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[Assistant] Evolve over the course of last season under Ken Dorsey. Maybe you have a lot of questions and maybe those questions weren't being answered adequately and they had to get in a room, close all the doors, do a little yelling and screaming like a lot of, uh, I think families, right, have to do sometimes when you're around each other as much as they are.


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[Assistant] So I don't know, they're, they're, they're selling it as if it's much to do about nothing. Dion Dawkins was just on a radio show. Josh Allen was on a podcast. They're all doing the PR thing, right? But yeah, I think Sean McDermott saying he was very concerned was something that got my attention for sure.


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[Assistant] Oh, it's not sneaky, Will. I mean, that chip is on the shoulder. I mean, I think Sean McDermott is reveling in all of this, right? Yes.


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[Assistant] Pick, pick against them, think that him have taken over the defense is going to cloud things in their, in their building. I think this is exactly the position that they want to be and it's why it's led me to.


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[Assistant] Getting Taylor rap was a sneaky way to mitigate against those kind of possible problems.


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[Assistant] But I think you, you make a great point. I mean, look, look around the league at all of the elite quarterbacks, the elite teams, right?


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[Assistant] Patrick Mahomes has pretty much owned this thing. And Tom Brady snuck one in. You know, the Rams went out and got a veteran quarterback in Matthew Stafford with a ready-made roster. But other than that, I mean, it's hard to win Super Bowls. And sometimes I think getting, going through the pain of all of this. Dion Dawkins said it, I think it was yesterday on The Hurt.


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[Assistant] Going through all of these, like these, these, these heart wrenching losses. Uhm, I think basketball is the, I use it all the time, the great,


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[Assistant] Uhm, example of teams over the years, franchises that had to go through these hurt. I mean, I grew up in the Dallas Mavericks, Phoenix Suns, Dirk Nowitzki, Steve Nash era when they were just the Sacramento Kings losing and losing and losing before you finally start to break through a little bit. And Dallas, it took them a couple of years. They finally won that one championship.


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[Assistant] But I think they're right there and Leonard Floyd is another guy. Like nobody's talking about this edition because it happened late June or early June, right before mini camp. We get into this quiet part of the off season. But if you go back to the beginning and look at some of those edge rushing,


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[Assistant] Floyd was kind of at the top of the list in terms of guys that you can go out and get.


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[Assistant] He wants to be in a situation where he can chase a Super Bowl and he all of a sudden becomes...


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[Assistant] Probably your number two behind Von Miller, Greg Rousseau. There's a lot of hope for him. He had eight sacks last year, took a step up from his rookie year, and he's probably going to grow even more. But you know without a shadow of a doubt what


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[Assistant] Leonard Floyd has done in this league. And I think that you feel comfortable about that. They've done that in a lot of different position rooms. And I think that that's where you have to be most excited if you're a Bills fan.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't, I don't expect to see him for the first month of the season, maybe even into that, you know, week six area. Like he, I think he's even being smart about it. Like he remembers years ago in Denver when he really pushed


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[Assistant] And I think when you do that, sometimes, you know, you, you deal with more setbacks, uh, on the other end of it. So I think they're going to take him really slow. I think that's one of the things that motivated them to give a little money to Floyd. And now you have this really nice situation where you can lean on Floyd in the meantime.


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[Assistant] Rousseau is a guy that you're projecting to take another jump. I don't know if he's gonna, you know, reach that next tier necessarily, but he's a really consistent pass rusher. He's great against a run. His length is a problem. And then behind him, you have a couple question marks, AJ Appanessa and Boogie Basham, who second round picks that just haven't figured it out quite yet.


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[Assistant] But man, I've been going back and watching some of the games from last season. Shaq Lawson was so sneaky good for them last year. We don't talk enough about him. No, nobody wanted him this off season. I mean, he just...


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[Assistant] Stayed on the market, stayed on the market, fitting him in as a fourth, maybe fifth edge rusher, a former first round pick. That's such a luxury for a team whose defensive line already, I think has the potential to be better once Von Miller gets back.


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[Assistant] They were better against the run last year, but they weren't great. Go back and watch some of those regular season games, win against the Chiefs, win late against the Dolphins. Both those teams ran on them. Daquan Jones helped things, but I think Puna Ford coming over from Seattle, another sneaky, under the radar one, he's going to take that to another level.


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[Assistant] They're stronger, it seems like everywhere. The one question remains is Tremaine Edmonds, him going on to Chicago, who ends up being the middle linebacker. They're probably going to have to rely on a very young, young, inexperienced player unless they want to do AJ Klein, who's played a lot of snaps for them over the years, but I think they want to go younger and faster, and that's why they drafted Dorian Williams. That's going to be interesting to see, but Von Miller is, put him on ice. And so maybe even like late October, early November.


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[Assistant] So it's so interesting. I love this conversation because it's one of the number one storylines I'm tracking over the course of this season. They have a blueprint set up that didn't quite really work last year with


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[Assistant] Brandon Bean trading up and drafting Kyier Elam and then him getting beat out by a six round draft pick and Christian Benford to start the season. Now they split time, but it was never Kyier Elam's job. And I think if you take a cornerback or really any skilled position player on either side of the ball,


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[Assistant] The expectation is that you put them in a situation to have success. I mean, you look at the Chiefs last year on their run of the Super Bowl, they just took their lumps with all their rookies from round ones to round seven, especially in the defensive side, to just get them used to things. And Elam, I just never felt like he got comfortable. And even going into this off season,


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[Assistant] There's question marks again, like is Kyre Elam going to win that second cornerback job? I don't know. Christian Benford looked great in the spring. They brought back Dane Jackson because he's that valuable veteran.


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[Assistant] But I think there's gotta be a little bit more synergy between the coaching staff and Brandon Bean because he's getting heat for his drafts the last couple of years. And I think you have to be able to pair.


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[Assistant] The evaluation with the plan for the player. So if they traded up and drafted Dalton Kincaid and we get to week one against the Jets and he gets a target or two for 10 yards on one catch.


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[Assistant] Bill's mafia's heads gonna explode because that's not going to work. This guy, Daniel Jeremiah was sitting there on the broadcast saying the NFL doesn't know what they're in for. Well, if you are Brandon Bean, you're probably looking over the table at Sean McDermott, Ken Dorsey and saying, you better make them pay because we traded up, we gave up assets for this guy.


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[Assistant] It's an easy fit. There's a, there should be a plan for him. Ken Dorsey is playing coy about it all. Uh, he was asked about it at his press conference. What's the plan for him? He's like, well, he's gotta get to learn us. We gotta get to learn him. We'll see what happens.


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[Assistant] Well, no, no, no, you're not going to see what happens. You got to get this guy in the field, find a way for him to.


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[Assistant] Part of the conversations that they've had over the last couple of weeks and what he could mean for dicks.


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[Assistant] I love the approach that they've taken at this position and they had kind of like,


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[Assistant] And Zach Moss to go get this guy. And then we only use them really on special teams. He had the one touchdown against the Dolphins on a nice reception from Josh Allen, but that's where he's great. Like getting him involved in the passing game and they got to find a way to do that more with him.


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[Assistant] And James Cook, which they drafted him to be, right? Like remember Brandon Bean talking about, Hey, I just loved his tape, him catching balls 15, 20 yards down the field. Well, they didn't do much of that with him even last year.


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[Assistant] I think he's going to be the featured back in terms of how many touches he gets, but I think there's competition there with Damien Harris. I think Damien Harris is going to come in here on a one year deal. It's a contract year. He knows he's got to perform. And Remandre Stevenson just basically took over that backfield the last couple of years in New England. And I think now


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[Assistant] I think I'm, if I'm Damien Harris, I'm starving for opportunity because James Cook, smaller guy.


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[Assistant] How is he going to handle the workload? He was banged up a little bit at times last year. There could be huge opportunity. And then they doubled down in that style of back going out and getting Latavious Murray who wants to be in Buffalo, grew up in central New York, Syracuse. Shout out Syracuse.com. And, uh, you know, he's in here now and I think you could be in a situation where you keep those three backs. The first three I talked about.


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[Assistant] Fit Latavious Murray at his age, maybe on the practice squad is one of those kind of guys that hangs out when you need me, call my number. I don't want a lot of early season carries and he could be a really big piece for them maybe in November, December, just depending on how healthy they stay.


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[Assistant] No, uhm, I will say that I do like that action on Miami. Before I get to Miami, the New York Jets, Bills fans, if I'm sitting at home and I see the news the last couple days that they're going to be on hard knocks, oh my gosh, I was celebrating that.


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[Assistant] Robert Sala, like sometimes this puts more pressure on the coaches to have their whole deal. I mean, Hugh Jackson, Cleveland a couple of years ago, just melted down with that whole operation on hard knocks. And I just, Robert Sala is a good coach and I think he's done a really good job. I think guys like playing for him, but now like.


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[Assistant] It's so much more pressure when now you have the guy that's supposed to put you over the top. They have a great defense, but can they stay a great defense? That's always a question year to year. They have really good players. Um, offensively they've done a lot of good things, but.


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[Assistant] When you're crowning a team that's going to put out a almost 40 year old quarterback to be the savior and he didn't look great last year, that's big trouble. Miami on the other hand, they went out and we've talked about this in the podcast so much. Vic Fangio, you cannot understate how important an addition that is on top of now getting Jalen Ramsey.


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[Assistant] The Jalen Ramsey piece is one thing, but I think they're going to be better in their front seven, which is going to make potentially Jalen Ramsey even more. And plus he's got a little bit of a chip on his shoulder after what happened last season. And so he's probably going to want to prove things. And when he was healthy.


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[Assistant] They're great. And so they're gonna be, I think, the number one problem in this division for the Bills. They both have really tough schedules. I think it's gonna come down to the last week. But to your point, plus 125 for a team that


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[Assistant] I think you can make an argument has the strongest roster in the NFL or at least in the top five.


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[Assistant] Against a Miami Dolphins team that still hasn't gotten over the edge. And even last year, if you go back and watch that game in Buffalo against Miami, they had every opportunity to win that game. Tyreek Hill drops, Jalen Watto drops, uh, Tua just missing on throws. It gets hard in December in this division and don't


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[Assistant] Well, first and foremost, I really like, uh, the over on the passing yards. Like I think with this offense, if people stay healthy and the adjustments that they're set to make, and I think if Ken Dorsey takes a step in year two, like I think you kind of really crush that number.


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[Assistant] When they get down in the red zone, the dude sees red and he, and sometimes it's not even like a scripted play. It's like, he sees something, I'm going. And I wonder sometimes how much that frustrates Diggs. If maybe there's plays to be had for him and Alan just like goes into a fullback mode and just pisses everybody off.


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[Assistant] Uhm, including Brandon Bean, who I've heard, and he's actually said this.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you can hear him, if you sit close enough to the box, the suite they sit in during the game, screaming when, when Josh Allen runs with the ball, uh, and takes big hits. He's like, get down! Yes, get down! I think there was one game where him and Terry Pagula, you can hear both of them going back and forth.


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[Assistant] Pretty funny, but I really like both of those numbers and I just think this is going to be


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[Assistant] I think Ken Doris is going to have more answers when teams take things away because I think he has more weapons. I mean, there's no excuses.


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[Assistant] Also sneaky, this offensive line is going to be better, I think. Connor McGovern, I've watched a lot of him. He is a...


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[Assistant] Superb upgrade on an old Roger Saffold. I love the signing when they brought in Saffold. He was just too old. He gave up 42 pressures last year, bunch of sacks. He was a real problem on the interior. If you now have a really good young


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[Assistant] Pass blocking left guard there and maybe the rookie who some considered the best guard in the draft and Osiris Torrance at right guard between pro bowlers, Mitch Morse, Deion Dawkins at left tackle, and then you hope Spencer Brown, the project, uh, kind of figures things out this year. I think their offensive line is going to be better. So they should be better everywhere and they still have Josh Allen, like we said.


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[Assistant] I always say I don't give fantasy or betting advice. I just give you betting hints that often are wrong. So sorry.


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[Assistant] Yeah. The thing about Baltimore is like.


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[Assistant] You're, there's a whole lot to believe in. And I like, I mean, like I want to believe in the Ravens. I was all over the Ravens last year. And then you start to kind of poke around with the debt chart. And it's pretty easy to have like questions about, about where like, for instance,


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[Assistant] The running back room, JK Dobbins, Gus Edwards, Justice Hill, and they got to, you know, like basically free agent rookies. I mean.


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[Assistant] Isaiah Flowers, first round pick for the uh, we have the rookie out of BC.


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[Assistant] Love his game. Thought he was wide receiver one of this class. Um, what do you expect him to, how do you expect him to utilize him in terms of not just vertically, but also horizontally and, and like, is that going to be a key component here of what we, what we expect to see from Todd Monkin is really, you know, trying to, trying to stretch the field both directions in order to open up things for Lamar.


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[Assistant] I think it's fair to have questions about the defense as a whole. I mean, the pass rush thing is, is a big concern for sure. I mean, like you, you, you need to have that, that alpha pass rusher. Uh, when we look at the odds for the division JLC, I think this is where it gets interesting with the Ravens because Cincinnati.


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[Assistant] That's the river under, yeaah, here's the division odds. Cincinnati, the favorite at plus 125 and then the Ravens at plus 275, the Browns plus 380 and the Steelers five to one. How does the Ravens at almost three to one intrigue you as a possibility of taking that division down?


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[Assistant] You know, I think that Q, we need to have a, uh, like a, a resetting of how we operate vacations in, in this country, really the world where it's like, look, I need, you need a,


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[Assistant] Well then I'll ask, I'll ask you about a fictional life situation, a non real world situation. Tom Brady.


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[Assistant] Yeah, right. Yeah. It's like, oh good. I think that the quarterback position with the Raiders though is fascinating. You know, Derek Carr's out.


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[Assistant] Cause it feels like, you know, we, we had, we did a vi, we recorded a Vikings episode with Cody Benjamin to talk about how the Vikings are in limbo long-term for the quarterback. The Raiders feel like they're in limbo for like August.


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[Assistant] Man, it feels like it would be really tougher than we get a long-term deal to go. Like, do you think that Josh Jacobs and the Raiders are on good terms in terms of communication? And, uh, you know, I know that, um,


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[Assistant] Obviously they didn't pick up the fifth year option, although as you point out, it ends up getting him closer to free agency when you're, you know, a year faster and he gets two extra million dollars this year, which is nothing to sneeze at, especially if you're running back in 2023, but they ran him in that preseason game, that hall of fame game in the second half and, um,


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[Assistant] I'm pretty confident that didn't sit well with him. Uh, so I'm just curious, where's that relationship at with those two sides right now?


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[Assistant] I want to throw us a break instead of making the joke that I could make about Jimmy Garoppolo, which I won't because I'm a professional. So let's take a quick break. When we come back, we'll discuss a possible sleeper for Office of Rookie of the Year next.


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[Assistant] Off into rookie of the year. Now, I don't remember.


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[Assistant] A tight end has never won offensive rookie of the year. I mean, he, Michael Mayer and typically speaking, like remember cow pits at the record for receiving yards by a tight end. Right. Yeah. Just two years ago. So like typically speaking, you would have to have.


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[Assistant] I don't know, like $900 and 12 touchdowns or something crazy. Right. 50 to one worth anything there Q in terms of.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's a long shot, obviously. So you wouldn't, you know, you're not, you're not laying a lunker on it, but like, right. If he's just the red zone guy and like analytics show that he cranks up the rushing offense. I don't know. It's probably not worth a sprinkle, but yeah.


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[Assistant] That's six games against really elite competition. Like that's, it's crazy. You know, if you look at like,


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[Assistant] Um, you, you talk about like when we talk about Super Bowl odds and all that, you know, you look at the, the Colts or the Texans and you're like, well, not going to win a Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] But like, yeah, they can win the division if things break, right? Like, I mean,


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[Assistant] The Raiders aren't winning this division. Like, I mean, the number, the number of things that would have to happen for the Raiders to win this division is just outrageous. Like, they should be 40 to 1 to win the division, honestly. Like, and you're never gonna see odds like that, but I mean, look at this defense, man. If that, if that pass rush is good, then maybe this defense can be mid-level.


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[Assistant] Right. But like if, if, if Wilson's hurt or Jones is at Chandler Jones as bad as he was last year, like this defense could be awful.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Yeah. The defense of that running game, that coaching staff helps quite a bit. I mean, I look at the Raiders schedule too, like at Denver, like at Denver in September, even if you play there twice a year or play there once a year, you play them twice a year.


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[Assistant] Definitely could win eight games, could win nine games. Yeah, um, yeah. Could probably, yeah, probably won't. I mean, eight, nine feels like this is, it feels like that was a pretty good surprising year. Um, when you look at the, the one thing that stood out to me on the odds, on the, on the odds as a player prop.


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[Assistant] And that's the three thirties, the magic number two analytics says is like, if you go over that, it's all of a sudden up for an injury.


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[Assistant] What's up everybody? Welcome to the Pick 6 Podcast, CVS NFL Podcast. I'm Katie Mox here with Tyler Sullivan and John Breach.


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[Assistant] Today is our AFC Key Post-Draft Move Show. Make sure you keep it tuned with us all week long for more off-season news. Remember to like, comment, and subscribe on the YouTube page. For everyone listening to the audio version only, make sure you download, follow, leave a 5-star review, and tell your friends to listen and watch the pod.


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[Assistant] Well as uhm, I know every once in a while I will bring basketball into this, but I don't know if y'all watched the game last night between the Suns and the Nuggets when Jokic inadvertently, purposely, I don't know, pushed


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[Assistant] The, uhm, the son's, uh, owner over when he was on the sideline trying to get a ball from. And I thought to myself, you know, if this was Draymond Green, he would be, he would be out of the game and suspended.


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[Assistant] And I think obviously your reputation has so much to do with this. Like we looked at Embiid almost like stomped some guy's head out and he didn't get, um, ejected from the game or get suspended. Do you think that reputation is more valuable in basketball or in football?


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[Assistant] I just feel like they give, you know, fouls, technical suspensions out in the NBA way more than they do.


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[Assistant] Uh, and the NFL, maybe because it's, it's a contact sport versus a non-contact sport, but yeah, it's interesting how your reputation can, uh, precede you, I guess, if you will.


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[Assistant] It is, so you had Draymond pushing off on someone's chest and they had Embiid stomping someone's head out. It does seem like the WWE.


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[Assistant] I can't wait for that either. Okay, so let's get into football here, fellas. Thank you for indulging me on that.


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[Assistant] Let's talk about the AFC South first. What is one move that these teams should make after the draft, starting with the Colts? They now have their potential franchise quarterback in Anthony Richardson.


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[Assistant] Sully, what is the one thing that they need to do to be successful this season?


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[Assistant] Not great. Okay, well that plays into my next question. So you like Anthony Richardson, get your guy the protection, and you know, maybe he'll have a good season. His odds for offensive rookie of the year, 9 to 1, Sully, is that something you would play?


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[Assistant] Let's say that Anthony Richardson does what we expect, right, with his legs in, in a Steichen offense, right? Maybe he's the next Jalen Hurts and then they beef up this O-line or last year was an anomaly. Six and a half wins for the Colts seems pretty low. The overjuiced to minus 125 under plus 105. It seems like both of you would lean on the over here.


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[Assistant] Okay, so moving on to another one where there's certainly some risk. The Texans made a lot of offseason moves. They hired D'Amico Ryan, they drafted CJ Stroud, and then they moved up to grab


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[Assistant] Will Anderson, Sully, you graded them a C on their draft, not based on what they got, but based on what they had to give up in the future. What is one thing that they need to make this offseason, I guess, ahead of the season in order to, uh, make that draft not seem like a C to you?


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[Assistant] What are some receivers breach that are available right now in free agency that you think would be a good fit?


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[Assistant] Yeah, you guys talked about how there's so much pressure on Will Anderson. He is the favorite right now for defensive rookie of the year at plus 350.


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[Assistant] Sully, do you, you gotta think under D'Amico Ryan's, I mean, this defense is gonna get better. He was the first one taken, you know, off the board in the draft as far as defensive players. Do you think he's a, nothing is a lock, but do you think that he is the favorite for a reason or do you like someone a little bit further down the board?


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[Assistant] Yeah, Joey Porter Jr. too. He's, I think he's like 20 to 1. People, I don't, I, who, RJ was on last week. He, I, I threw that out there. He did not like that, but I think there's some value there, especially cause he's gonna play with a little bit of a chip.


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[Assistant] Okay, moving down to the Jags. Coming off their first winning season in years. A lot of promise there with Trevor Lawrence. Seemed like protection of him was a key component of the draft. Sully, actually I'll start with you, Breach. Breach, what would you do if you were the Jags right now before the season starts?


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[Assistant] The vibes are high for the Jags. Their win total is set at 10. The over is juiced to minus 125.


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[Assistant] It'd be hard for me to say 11 wins for, for the Jags. What do you guys think?


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[Assistant] Alright, moving on. Dom in the chat says that the Titans need to find an offensive Lyman.


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[Assistant] And yea, Tennessee finally put Will Leves out of his misery, taking him on day two. Uh, they clearly think that he's capable of being their future quarterback. Do you guys agree with Dom? Do they need to add to the O-line?


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[Assistant] Yes. Okay, well, look at this wind total. It seems like ehm, beyond, you know, King Henry, the titans seem to be a bit of a mess. Their wind total at seven and a half and the under is actually juiced here, minus 135.


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[Assistant] Do y'all think, uh, that they can get eight wins if they get a kicker, if they, you know, beef up the O line, do whatever it is that they need to do.


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[Assistant] Good value there too, plus 115. Alright, we're gonna continue this right after the break. You're watching Pick 6, we'll be right back.


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[Assistant] Alright, welcome back to the Pick Six Podcast. I am Katie Mox here with Breach and Sully. If you're not following us on social, go ahead and do that now at Pick Six Pod across all social media platforms. Moving on to the AFC North and we're talking about one thing that these teams can do to get ready for the seasons.


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[Assistant] Starting with the Ravens, a lot, a lot of expectations on Baltimore now. You paid Lamar, OBJ joined the receiver room. You got Zay Flowers. What is one more thing that the, uh, the Ravens can do, Breach?


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[Assistant] Well Lamar Jackson said that he would like to, uh, break Peyton Manning's record and throw for 6,000 yards in the next season. His odds for MVP right now plus 1,500. Doable?


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[Assistant] Alright, are you going to bother betting the nine and a half wins for Baltimore that overdue to minus 140? Good value on the end of your plus 120 breach. 10 wins or no?


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[Assistant] Okay, now moving on to the bangles. Breach, I'll start with you, but I think the one thing they need to do is pay Joe Burrow.


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[Assistant] Just because we talked about Lamar Jackson, I do want to throw this out here. Uh, Joe Burrow, second best odds, tied with Josh Allen for MVP at plus 700, received no votes last year for MVP. Breach. Worth a sprinkle this year?


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[Assistant] Okay, moving on to the Steelers. The Steelers, I would say, had a masterful draft, uh, but Kahn said during his post-draft press conference that they will continue to work to finalize their roster this summer. It seems like, you know, they added to the CB room with Joey Porter


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[Assistant] Yeah, it went big in the chat. That is definitely one of his wishes. If you look at their win total, 8.5 Mike Tomlin never had a losing season. Looked like he was going to have one last season and then he still came out on top. 8.5 wins, overdue to minus 140 under plus 120. I just don't think you could bet against Tomlin here, but what do y'all think?


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[Assistant] Alright, moving on to the Browns. They didn't draft until the third round because obviously they gave up a lot, uhm, for Deshaun Watson. They picked up wide receiver Cedric Tillman who is really being widely seen as a sleeper pick. People are pretty excited about him. What's one thing that the Browns should do breach?


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[Assistant] Eight and a half wins. The over minus 175. Bookmakers obviously thinking that we see the better part of Deshaun Watson and not the utter disaster as you said, Sully, under plus 150. It seems like you played the under at plus 150 or you lay off it completely. I don't know that I would go over on the browns.


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[Assistant] Okay, moving on to the AFC West and the Chiefs, the defending Super Bowl champions. I don't know what else this team could actually do. We thought that they were going to take a step back last year. That didn't happen. Sully, what is one thing you're looking for the Chiefs to do?


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[Assistant] Chief's of course the favorite to win the Super Bowl, plus 600, plus 350 to win the conference, minus 150.


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[Assistant] To win the division, uhm, how do you feel about the Chiefs winning back-to-back Super Bowls?


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[Assistant] Who, let's say they, who would you take in, in the, in the conference? Uhm, who would, who beats them? Is it the Bengals?


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[Assistant] Okay, moving on to the Raiders. They got rid of Derek Carr. They picked up my Jimmy Garoppolo. Seems like they're making it the Patriots West out there in Vegas breach. What do the Raiders do to make sure that Jimmy Garoppolo is successful?


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[Assistant] It's so, I mean, he had the, what, the 2019 season was the last time that he was healthy for an entire season and


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[Assistant] It's, yeaah, it's, it's hard to say. I'm, I'm hopeful for him that, you know, he, that he's able to make it entire season, but who knows. Uhm, their win total's seven and a half. That's a plus one twenty, uh, for the over. It seems like bookmakers are thinking that, uh, under eight wins is the play here. Minus one forty.


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[Assistant] I guess it all depends on Jimmy Garoppolo's health and he hasn't, like we said, he hasn't stayed healthy since 2019. It's hard to say that they could get over this because it's not, you don't have Kyle Shanahan.


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[Assistant] You don't have, you know, Mr. Irrelevant. You don't have maybe...


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[Assistant] All of the, the quarterback room that you have in San Francisco. So if Jimmy Grobbel goes out, the Raiders are screwed.


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[Assistant] Alright, so moving on to uh, Herbert and the Chargers here. I feel like the last couple years the Chargers have been the sexy pick.


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[Assistant] Everyone, especially last year when they thought that the Chiefs were going to take a step down, plus 2500 to win the Super Bowl, 1300 to win the conference, uh, plus 325 to win the division.


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[Assistant] Are the chargers gonna charge again? Uhm, or what's one thing that could actually keep them as exciting as all of their off-season news breach?


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[Assistant] You still have Russell Wilson. You spent the most money in free agency. You got Mike McGlinchey, paid him a ton of money. You added to your debt chart on defense. Uh, Sully, what, what did the Broncos need to do?


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[Assistant] I think they might be running the ball a little bit more, even when they drafted McGlinchey. That's kind of what that signaled to me. Uh, so if we look at their win total, eight and a half.


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[Assistant] Uh, book split on this one, both minus 110. I guess it all depends on which Russell Wilson you think you're going to get.


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[Assistant] I would lean over here just because of the respect I have for Sean Payton. What do you guys think?


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[Assistant] Okay, on that note, we're taking a quick break. Watch and pick six and we'll be right back.


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[Assistant] Reality show, The Family Stallone on Paramount Plus. That looks like an interesting one. Alright, welcome back to the Fix6 Podcast. I'm Katie Mox here with John Breach and Tyler Sullivan. Today is the AFC Keypost Draft Move Show. Make sure you join us all week long to keep up to date on all of your NFL offseason news. And remember to like, comment, and subscribe to the YouTube page.


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[Assistant] One last division, kind of saving the best for last, I don't know. Uh, the bills. I don't bet futures on the bills anymore because they broke my heart. Two years in a row, guys. Two years in a row. But what is one move that the bills should make in order to not break my heart again, Breach?


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[Assistant] Uh, you talk about adding a receiver or maybe using, uh, running backs a little bit more, opening up this pass game. Josh Allen's receiving yards, excuse me, passing yards are set to 4,300 and a half.


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[Assistant] Breach if they add to this wide receiver room, do you think he gets over that?


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[Assistant] Alright, so hammer this over, minus 15. Okay, moving on to the dolphins. Obviously, biggest question mark here is Tua and his health. Other than that, they look pretty good with him at center. Breach, what's one thing they should do?


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[Assistant] All right, Sally, moving on to the Patriots. You weren't really happy with free agency. You didn't grade them very well in the draft. What can your team do to have a good season?


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[Assistant] Alright, last but not least, the Jets. They got Aaron Rodgers, they got Alan Lazar, they got Randall Cobb, they took care of their O-line in the draft.


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[Assistant] Breach. What else can they do? They got a nine and a half win total. I like the over, a lot of people on the under. What can they do?


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[Assistant] Hopefully we don't see a lot of that meme of Aaron Rodgers looking crazy on the ground after he got sacked. Alright, we kept you a little bit late today, guys, so we're going to...


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[Assistant] Cap it here on behalf of myself, Breach and Sully. Thank you so much. Make sure you join us tomorrow for the Brady Quinn football show. And of course, remember to like, comment, and subscribe on the YouTube page. For everyone listening to audio only, do the same. Download, follow, leave a five-star review, and tell your friends to listen and watch the pot. We'll see you tomorrow.


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[Assistant] Uh, lot of birthday parties. Lot of birthday parties. Uh, and then from those birthday parties,


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[Assistant] For whatever reason, every single one of our kids had some issue, uh, going number two. Uhm, so our three year old that we thought was potty trained crapped her pants three times. That was a ton of fun. And then, uh, yeah, we had some other issues along those lines. Sounds, sounds like it sounds, sounds genetic.


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[Assistant] Will's hair has, has built up such a reputation. Yes. That people now just, they look at them, they think, well, clearly Will is why the Pic Six podcast is late today.


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[Assistant] None of you guys are doing the hot tub or something really ritzy like that.


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[Assistant] I mean, that's what I was just going to say. Sounds like you a blonde or a fancy club will.


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[Assistant] Are you in New York or are you in San Francisco? Because if it's in San Francisco, it's kinda, you know, pretty often you see that sort of stuff on the street, so.


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[Assistant] I mean, isn't Two Nights in a Row potentially that Taylor Swift is his date? Is that not a thing? I don't follow gossip, hot, you know, hot topic type thing going on. So I mean, what's the point of going to see Two Nights in a Row? It's the same show. So clearly.


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[Assistant] By the way, that's a risky opposition, like going into it with, uh,


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[Assistant] I don't listen to her music. I mean, I'm sure she's super talented, the concert in the rain, that was awesome, but like, not, not going to her concert, no.


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[Assistant] Quite an easy explanation, Katie. It's because anytime the song comes on, I just turn the channel.


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[Assistant] Not at all. I mean, if they're going to soccer practice, it's the Rocky soundtrack and nothing else.


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[Assistant] Particularly Rocky 4. Alright, I want to make sure that they're out there playing their best for America. It's not even about like anything else. It's like, I don't care who the opponent is, you're playing for America. And so we get really patriotic about it.


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[Assistant] The age gap. The age gap. I think I'm gonna miss it. So I think I'm good. I think I'm good.


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[Assistant] Hell yeaah. I mean, if there was one, I took two things from that. First off, George Kittle's The Man, uh, the fact that he knows that song, it actually sounded pretty good without a tune.


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[Assistant] It's a problem for their plays at school too, cause you like make up words that are not in the song. So I'm all for singing with autotune. I'm just, I would need the lyrics printed out for me.


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[Assistant] Uh, so he actually is close friends with uh, Charlie Weiss's brother, Pat Weiss.


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[Assistant] Watson's fast, fast. So, I would say he's got the edge on this one, but...


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[Assistant] I don't know if this is public or not, someone vows is returning to compete. Ooh. So you would have the insight.


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[Assistant] I don't know, but I promise you this much, uh, we're in good hands of Simone's back. All right. Hopefully she's moved past all the stuff she's dealt with in the last Olympics, but she is the greatest of all time. And so if she is back like to form, I give her every bit of a shot of, of beating Christian Watson.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so it's come out now where it's, uh...


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[Assistant] That's a nice little video there. Uhm, it's come out now that it's Liz Frank. That's what they believe, the area of the injury, what's been affected by this.


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[Assistant] He's got surgery to what degree? Uh, I don't necessarily know that, but I've had the surgery. I went about it trying to heal it and rehab it the natural way, which is a huge mistake. And that actually may lead to the question of why didn't he get it fixed earlier in this process? Uh, and that might've been why they might've got a medical opinion that said you can cast it.


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[Assistant] Put it in a walking boot. You'll be in some crutches for a period of time and you should be able to come back from it.


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[Assistant] Problem is, uh, a lot of times it doesn't heal properly, especially when you're talking about bones, little small bones like metatarsus in your midfoot.


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[Assistant] And so what they end up doing is they'll go in and they'll fuse those little itty bitty bones and joints in your midfoot. They'll fuse it all together. They'll make it one big hard mass that doesn't move anymore.


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[Assistant] That helps with taking away some of the pain. It does take away mobility, so you can't really run and it doesn't quite feel the same. Uhm, but that is most likely what he's, uh, rehabbing from and working through now.


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[Assistant] Now as far as the waiver goes, this is not uncommon to a lot of other players that find themselves in this position, especially him.


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[Assistant] So teams do this all the time. Like I remember taking the last contract ever took when I signed with the Dolphins in training camp in 2014. I had to take a waiver out on my back.


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[Assistant] And it basically stated that if I injured my back, I wouldn't get paid. Uh, I had to get surgery by their team doctors, physicians. They save money that way. And then rehab with their, uh, rehab, uh, physicians as well. And if I had any injury as a result,


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[Assistant] So if they could attribute whatever injury I was, I was, you know, dealing with, and it was a result of my back injury, they would also subsequently not pay me.


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[Assistant] That's how waivers work. It's a really, really tough business for football players, especially as you accumulate more injuries.


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[Assistant] Most teams through physicals find these things and they'll try to negotiate in and take out waivers on anything and everything they can. So it's a tough spot for Jimmy Garoppolo, but will it does leave a lot of questions about what this means for the Raiders moving forward and the timeframe for him coming back because I'll tell you this much.


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[Assistant] Uh, obviously they're, they're, I don't want to say in panic mode.


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[Assistant] But this has to be one of the most unsettling things if you're a Raiders fan right now. Looking at your roster, which you may have already had questions about Jimmy Garoppolo in the first place, being the guy, clearly Devontae Adams did with the way he spoke out about it.


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[Assistant] What usually happens is it has a compounding impact. Meaning, you know, the way your foot now strikes the ground when you run, when you move is different.


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[Assistant] And then applying that force moving forward, you end up having hip issues, back issues. Everything is your body's trying to adjust now to a new normal.


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[Assistant] And that can be really problematic, you know, for a quarterback, when you're talking about the transfer of force from your bat foot, bat foot, uh, back foot, excuse me, or your plant leg as, as well. So appropriately put it, um, and transferring to your front foot, uh, especially cause it says left foot and he's a right-handed quarterback.


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[Assistant] Uh, it's harder than to transition all that power, all that force, all that torque onto that foot. It's painful. And you have to go through a period of time where you, you kind of don't realize you're naturally changing your throwing motion and your mechanics, but you are because your body naturally tries to adjust to not feel pain. So,


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[Assistant] Uh, I think he's capable of doing it. You know, he's someone who's always played from a pretty wide base with a very, very short stride or almost a non-existent stride and been able to use his hips to kind of torque through it. Uh, but this, this kind of at least sends a message to me to be really concerned for a team that I don't care what you saw them do last year.


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[Assistant] With Sean Payton in Denver, uh, the charges with what I think could be a season, you know, kind of one of those budding seasons where maybe they surprise everyone. And obviously the Chiefs, the best team in the AFC West.


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[Assistant] Uh, you probably sit there looking at the Raiders as the last place team in this deal, right?


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[Assistant] Uh, maybe. I'm more curious with Tom Brady's interest in the Raiders' game. I mean, the Raiders' team's in a different spot than where it was back when he was initially first looking at it. He's obviously older. He's had some life-changing events.


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[Assistant] I don't know, maybe the Raiders are now more appealing that they're in Las Vegas and given his personal situation. Maybe he's not. I don't know. Part of me feels like.


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[Assistant] Uh, given that Brady's single and Jimmy G could be single and they're both happen to be in Vegas. I mean, I just, I don't know, maybe they kicked around that idea back in their New England days and now that dream can come true. So maybe that's the motivation behind it. I don't know, but of all the teams that he's left to go to, this is, I mean, which is only really one, but


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[Assistant] You know, even when you take into account the New England teams that he was on,


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[Assistant] I would say this is probably one outside of Devonta Adams who's an absolute stud.


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[Assistant] It just doesn't set up for them to have immediate success. I thought he had a better path.


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[Assistant] When he went to Tampa as compared to what he's got to go through with the Las Vegas Raiders and taking on the Chiefs twice a year, the rest of the AFC that's loaded with quarterbacks. I mean, if he was going to go back to any team, you'd think it'd be an NFC team at this point in time.


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[Assistant] I think there's so many ways this thing could go wrong. There's no way there's any shot that he actually is going to come back and do it.


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[Assistant] And if I'm not mistaken too, this is based on Warren Sharpe's analysis. He's got with the projected win totals for this upcoming season, he's got the Raiders with the second toughest schedule of any team to heading into 2023. So that's the other thing aside from everything else that we've thrown out there. Uh, but again, you know,


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[Assistant] Into the league and go play and prove himself and he feels like he's got some unfinished business. I mean.


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[Assistant] Only Tom Brady knows what he's thinking and what the motivation is behind it. Uh, the fact that he wants to even have a minority stake in the Raiders is interesting to me. I know again,


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[Assistant] You know, Dana White had talked about what was, I think, Gronk, where they let that cat out of the bag. But of all the organizations to buy a piece in, like, this is the one, like, you couldn't get the Glazer family to give you a piece of the box or...


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[Assistant] Go back and talk to Robert Kraft about it and see if he can get a piece of the New England Patriots or maybe even put together a group where you start off as a minority owner. And then once Robert Kraft wants to sell it, you put together a group to go buy the majority, you know, steak. There's all sorts of things that you'd think that he would have maybe tried first before a steak in the Las Vegas Raiders.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I, I don't, I don't think he will. I think he is their plan moving forward. He knows their offense. Uhm, obviously they're still agreeing to pay him a pretty decent amount in base salary for this upcoming season. If he passes the phys, we want to do, if he's healthy.


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[Assistant] And if I was the Raiders, and I had any reservations whatsoever about this working out, I would have cut ties now. Like, you wouldn't have gotten to this point, and I would have tried to find a solution, whether it's Matt Ryan, who we saw, who's one of our colleagues at CBS, or any of the other quarterbacks, too, you could put into that light. Or you find yourself in a position, talking to Mark Davis, and yeah, we're gonna tank for Caleb Williams.


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[Assistant] We don't have to or hourly say that, but he's a hell of a prospect and it would be pretty justifiable if we found our way to potentially the worst record in the NFL given our schedule.


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[Assistant] I'm more curious how Will's drinking from this tiny thimble, uh, little thimble, if you know.


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[Assistant] I believe because of the holiday weekend. So that was kind of miss like caught up in the mess of everything on Friday when some of that was actually out there.


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[Assistant] There is still that potential here in the next hour and seven minutes or so before the 4pm eastern deadline. Uhm, you know, look.


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[Assistant] It, it, it potentially was the fact that he, you know, wasn't happy with the scenario of where the team was. We don't really know. I mean, only DeAndre Hopkins knows. Uhm, the hard part is...


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[Assistant] Right, I think there was more than just that ask, but that being said, Bill's Chief's clearly, uh, the kind of contenders for him, uh, at least based on the odds, I believe those are the top two odds favorites.


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[Assistant] The interesting thing about it is, at this point in time for DeAndre Hopping's career, I mean look, he wants to play for a contender.


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[Assistant] And all teams that I think are making an investment in an arms race and he would be one of those valued pieces, but he's not going to probably be able to do it for the number that he wants if he is outright released.


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[Assistant] It's just unfair. You know, it's just, I, I, I don't even know what, I wouldn't, I wouldn't even know what to think of that if he ended up as a can't see chief.


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[Assistant] The interesting thing about the Browns though is there's this thought that, you know, you look at the Watson-Hopkins relationship.


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[Assistant] You know, why did they move on from Hopkins? Was it the relationship with Watson and him in the locker room? I remember there's a lot of things speculated and reported during that time, so I'd be curious to see if there would be a welcome reunion, and clearly the Browns could use his services, and I'm sure it helps that


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[Assistant] I mean, has it, has it, you know, you feel like Don J happens has been through enough kind of turmoil between Houston and Arizona. Like maybe he's looking at one of these other opportunities is more stability too. And saying like, yeah, if Stefanski and the Browns don't play with this year, what happens there? I mean, are they going to stick with Stefanski?


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[Assistant] I don't know. I'm not sure the, the status of the injury is going to move a ton here in the next few months. So maybe you get a little bit more information and you can make a little, you know, more informed decision if you're going to place that bet, but I would stay away from it right now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, of course. Look, it's the NFL. You know, Callum Murray will be back at some point. Regardless of what people want to say about him. Yeah, last year was more of a downer year, but you know, he's still very capable.


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[Assistant] At this point, the safer bet. I wouldn't be shocked if this didn't settle at four and a half.


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[Assistant] When it's all said and done, depending on what else happens the rest of this off season, uh, and then what happens with Calla Murray as far as his timetable to return. So, uh, but the under is the better play here, but maybe wait till it's at four and a half.


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[Assistant] If it's a four and a half, you're probably looking at what? Minus 180?


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[Assistant] The week 18 matchup where it doesn't matter and that there's still some players playing for something and you get, you know, some wins that come in there. Yeah. Week 1, week 18, then you get a few in between.


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[Assistant] I love this. Like I love this as a performer, former professional athlete.


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[Assistant] Because it's so relatable, like people tend to forget. Like this guy has been the centerpiece of the NBA now for arguably the past.


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[Assistant] Three years winning what? Two MVPs. He's now won a championship. Uh, he's like Mr. Triple Double.


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[Assistant] And guess what? He's like the rest of us. Like he just misses home. Let's move back to Serbia. He wants to go back to his horses. I love it. Like I think more professional sports leagues need to embrace figures like this who aren't like all diehard about it. And they're actually just who they are. And they're not afraid of saying like, wait, when's the parade? Oh yeah, you gotta be kidding me, right? Like I just want to go home.


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[Assistant] That's okay. Like he also has a bunch of people at home that he wants to celebrate with too. So I loved it. I thought it was the most genuine thing I think we've seen in sports. And I also think it's one of the reasons why he's so successful is


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[Assistant] He doesn't make it more than what it is. Like he's the type of guy that after he's done playing, I'm sure he's going to move on and he'll be, he'll be okay retiring. He's not going to be like pulling a Brett Favre where I don't know, I think I should come back and play again. I'll strap it up again. Like he's not going to be that guy. He's gonna be like, I'm out probably going back to Serbia or somewhere else and hang out.


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[Assistant] I am a little bit under the weather. Uh, I, I could blame it on recent travels, uh, or my kids. I will not do that. Uh, I don't know what exactly caused this cause it's, it's been beautiful outside, but.


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[Assistant] Bottom line is, I sound like Will Branson back in his NC State days, uh, pulling off an all weekend bender, uh, coming at the class in the morning.


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[Assistant] I was just gonna say, like, what kind of horses does he even ride? I know he's got a passion for like horse racing and all that, but like, he's so big, and you have to feel like on a Clydesdale, right? I mean, like, what, what normal horse could he ride around that would actually...


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[Assistant] I'm sure you did. You're all boozed up knowing you. I could see Will, Katie, like slapping Ralphie, which is the, uh, the, the Colorado mascot on the ass before running out. Like I could see him getting that, that mascot hyped up. Um, that's such a tough question to answer.


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[Assistant] Like I, I don't really understand it. I don't, I don't really need to either, but that's the one mascot that I think just out of precedence, you probably want to just, you know, go after.


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[Assistant] Uh, I don't know, I didn't keep it. I think I gave it to my brother-in-law. We met out, we like went to dinner. My other brother-in-law was playing. Uhm, and then my brother-in-law that, you know, that I'm married into, he's the one who went to the game with me. And I think I gave him the extra bobblehead doll.


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[Assistant] I mean, honest, I, uh, I was watching, you know, some Instagram videos, uh, with my daughters. We were really excited about watching them because we're a big fan of that particular athlete and I might've jumped to some conclusions.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, we've talked about this now for, I don't know, probably the past few months and talking about this particular year too, with the running back market. And usually what's odd is like, this comes to light when you get a combination of veterans not being paid the long-term deals that they want.


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[Assistant] But then also not seeing the same amount, uh, or seeing a number of running backs being drafted in the first round where teams are just saying we could find guys second, third, fourth, or even late rounds in the draft. Isaiah Pacheco is going to be this year's example after what he did for the Chiefs last year.


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[Assistant] So usually you see that conversation then. What's interesting about this past year's draft is you had two guys taking the top 15. And both guys who, and we'll get into the discussion, but, you know, could potentially be up for rookie of the year, uhm, because of the way I think both teams could utilize them. So, you have this disconnect between,


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[Assistant] You know what a veteran running backs feel like they have earned throughout the course of time playing.


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[Assistant] And what they're worth moving forward. And that's really the disconnect is, you know, for running backs.


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[Assistant] We may be living in a world with a few exceptions, right? Like you get your Christian McCaffrey's, your Alva Camaras, uhm, you know, Zeke Elliott, which is a very unique case, uh, but other guys who are able to utilize in the running game and the passing game as truly like a dual threat style of player.


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[Assistant] But outside of those guys, like your traditional bell cow back, you're just, you're not going to see them be able to get to a second contract.


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[Assistant] And it's almost like, you know, those guys really see their greatest amount of money they're going to be compensated or paid be at the front end and what they can, they can make as a draft pick potentially. Uh, otherwise it's going to be really, really hard to make the type of deals they're looking for. So.


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[Assistant] It's unfortunate, I mean obviously running backs we all know have a huge impact, uhm, but you can make the case because the way the games evolve will, I mean, it's a passing game and unless they're catching the ball a bunch out of the backfield too, they're probably not going to be receiving top dollar, what they think they're worth.


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[Assistant] Because we use that argument with only running backs. We don't use it though when we apply it to wide receivers. We see all the time wide receivers that aren't necessarily drafted the first round come out and be able to have, you know, production and so forth.


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[Assistant] Uhm, now you could maybe use that argument with other positions, like, we don't see a ton of, like, really, really, like, day one rookie year great offensive linemen come in that won a first round pick, maybe second round pick.


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[Assistant] It seems like that specific position we look at and we say like, yeah, like unless they're an ungodly talent like Bijan or Jamir Gibbs, we just feel like we can take in the later rounds and we get better value out of them that way. But we never apply that to any other position we're talking about. Why do you think that is?


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[Assistant] There's so many parts, right, that, that allow a running play to be successful. And a lot of it's the blocking scheme.


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[Assistant] You know, maybe how the coach is able to formation things to get angles or to get the defense out of position to be able to have success. So there's even times too, I think there's a degree of.


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[Assistant] Yes, it takes more time to practice and get right. Like anyone would tell you, you only have to have like three things go right for a pass play to work, right? You also have to get the shotgun snap or the snap from center. You have to be able to throw the football and have someone catch on the other end. That's it.


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[Assistant] You can have a tackle with on a block. As long as the throw gets completed, doesn't matter.