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[Assistant] And it does seem to be a fun game. They, I think they probably took out a lot of fluff that would have been there. And they just had, it's like kinda like Fallout, where they're like, okay, let's just take all these things away that our metrics are showing no one's even touching, and just make a fun game. And it seems to be fun. Like, I'm, I'm enjoying it, but it's sort of mindless, whereas like,


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[Assistant] That game, it's a different type of beast, it's more like Team Fortress, and like I find myself going more into that because it's just different kind of fun, like James and I have played a couple more rounds last night, and it's like, it's fun, even when you're losing, it's like, well, take the loss and still have learned something. And I ended up playing as Tracer, and I was like, I'm having a great time.


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[Assistant] Well, that was the thing, like, uh, I was talking to Bruce about this, but like, we were talking about, just like, one of the characters in the game is called Tracer, and she has a warp ability, and it's almost like anime, where it's just, it's insane. It's Dragon Ball Z fights. And it's the sort of thing where it's like high risk, high reward.


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[Assistant] Oh, I got a new skill. It's similar to like mobile games, where like, like, uh, I got back into Marvel Puzzle Quest, uhm, just cause, that's all you guys are ever talking about, shut up. No, fuck that game. Uhm, but I like it, it's good, but there are times where you're like, fuck this piece of shit, I'll keep playing. Uhm, but that, it's like, mobile game developers are good at this.


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[Assistant] Like, uh, you guys came running from the other way, I told you to go the other way, what's going on? I'm like, there's a homeless guy swinging his dick around and he goes, oh that's totally justified.


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[Assistant] So, for you a meaningless game is getting a four star character that you have but you don't really need. Like, a shitty four star character.


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[Assistant] In World of Warcraft or in Diablo you could disenchant things and like for the raw material or you could sell it for currency or you could trade it for something else and you can't really do that. You can't like say, what I would love in Marvel Puzzle Quest for example is if you acquired five one-star cover


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[Assistant] I had some time with the game before we played because I had played it at an event.


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[Assistant] Not the response I was looking for, but uhm, alright, I'll try Best Buy. Best Buy had it, it was fine. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, it was okay. It was just, it was just, and then I remember one time there was another guy having a conversation. I wanted to buy something.


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[Assistant] Beautiful Joe, get out! Like, I was maybe like, I don't know, 16 at the time.


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[Assistant] Consoles are really just kind of for the layman. Everyday man. I was like, I just want something that I plug in and it works and I can play my mat and everything's cool.


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[Assistant] Average guy doesn't give a shit about teraflops or gigabits or gigaflops or-


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[Assistant] It's such a strange thing to come out and be like, look how powerful our hardware is when it's like, the people who are interested in those hardware specs are just gonna laugh at what you do no matter what and go,


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[Assistant] Because they're going to build a PC or they're going to be more into the PC gaming landscape, but the GTX 1080 can do this and that. It's like, right, but your everyday consumer isn't interested in a GTX 1080 because that requires screws and knobs and things that are already way too complicated for that individual.


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[Assistant] I just, just being a consumer who is on all sides of it, uh, handheld PC and console, there's such a discrepancy between the console and then when you build like


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[Assistant] A higher to mid, you know, above mid-range PC where you go.


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[Assistant] It's almost like living in ignorance where you're like, you know what, this is what it's like, this is what I want to do, simple, done. And it's like, it's good for that audio.


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[Assistant] When they're like, you're fucking stupid if you don't like Uncharted. Where I'm like, yea, you know, I thought it was a beautiful game, but then when I tried aiming at a guy,


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[Assistant] I did this, and then I did that, and then I'm like, I can't fucking aim with this thing, and they're like, well there's an option to just auto-target, like.


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[Assistant] Style, substance, control, everything. And I value control over a game more than anything else where it feels intuitive and then like Doom was the whole package. But it also was tailored to me.


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[Assistant] So Lawrence and Bruce could probably attest to this, but remember growing up and you'd go to your dad's house because your parents are divorced and


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[Assistant] You try to get a PC game to run, and it would finally run after running six different DOS commands, and getting the shareware program to get, and like get the right drivers and the right version of Windows 95 or whatever was running, and finally command and conquer with load and be like, loading.


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[Assistant] And then load, load, load. You're in, it's chugging, it's working, it's good. And then you went to your friend's house and you had an N64 and you went BOOM. Oh, we're already in the game, holy shit.


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[Assistant] I know, I know, I know. I'm just making a false question. Well like, you play like Mario and it's just like, holy shit, I'm already in the game? Or like Zelda, like, that took four and a half seconds, oh my god. So consoles don't work that way anymore. That's what I mean though, now it's sort of like, it's weird that PCs have, it's flipped now where most of the time it's like, download on Steam, go, you have a solid state, you're in, you're ready to go.


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[Assistant] Well, there was the, uh, remember the story about the NX, how they're talking about how it could be cloud driven and networked, and like- There's no way that's actually gonna be- Well, no fucking way. Well, no, but it is kinda funny to think that- Ten years maybe. Well, remember how PlayStation 3 could be, they could use, they used PlayStation 3 as servers for Warhawk, I remember, and then-


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[Assistant] Your, your PlayStation is not actually playing a game, it's just network empowering, like, other games.


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[Assistant] I don't think games are gonna change much for the next ten years, unfortunately. We are. I feel like we're just in the cycle, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Mobile, sure, I think mobile games, it's so weird, I feel like I'm just at this sort of like, we're like in this lull, where it's like, I see Horizon Zero Dawn, I'm like, that looks really cool, you're probably gonna go to a lot of towers, and you're probably gonna shoot some things, and there's gonna be a cool moment, and then your, your all father will die, and then, uh, you'll be sad, but then the true true happens, and then you move on.


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[Assistant] I have 96 hours logged on QuickPlay for Overwatch.


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[Assistant] Look, if you don't want to go the cheap, uh, James hand-me-down route, which is, I mean, honestly, I did it with Jess because it was like, hey, do you want to spend, uh, $1,300 from PC? Like, do you want to spend $1,300?


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[Assistant] I, I, I got her PC billed down to like 600 bucks.


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[Assistant] I didn't buy her, but she got a new case, a graphics card, and like hard drives. That was all she needed because I gave her the motherboard and the RAM and everything. I'm like, I can put it together. It's only had like a few hundred problems.


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[Assistant] So we all lived through the VHS, the DVD change. That was a big deal. That was when it was like, okay, holy shit.


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[Assistant] Just because Transformers is bigger doesn't make it any less of a shitty movie. It's a fun shitty movie. I mean, it still looks nice though. Yea, but I'm like, at some point, same thing with video games, it's like, okay, like, we can only go so far with visuals just because The Order 1886 is an amazing looking game doesn't make it fun to play.


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[Assistant] Makes the most sense, but then also my chair ran over it just a little bit, and like that's useless.


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[Assistant] Couldn't, couldn't that be solved? This is me just kinda playing devil's advocate, but it couldn't be solved by just...


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[Assistant] I don't know, putting in the terms of service where like, if you're uploading a mod, you are not cleaning ownership of this thing, and we're allowed to take it down at any point.


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[Assistant] Isn't there like a tennis game on PlayStation or something that actually allows for mod files?


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[Assistant] I remember someone pointed that out, they're like, yea, it's kinda strange that this game over here has mods, but they don't let Bethesda have mods. Huh. Maybe it's a size issue, I don't know. Could be.


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[Assistant] Also, that comes down to affordability. Absolutely. I mean, there are top tier Android phones. I remember people were talking about our Nexus phones. They were like, my Galaxy Edge S7 is the best camera I've ever had. I'm like, that's also really expensive. And it doesn't use Google Fi, so I don't know why it would use it.


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[Assistant] They were talking about with, uhm, like Oculus versus HTC Vive, where people were saying,


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[Assistant] You can't really lock down the software to the hardware because it's just a monitor. It's just a different...


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[Assistant] It's the same tool, it just does, you know, it forms maybe slightly differently, but ultimately it's like having a different TV. Like, if you had a TV, which I guess this is kinda true, some apps, but uh, like if you had a TV, and your TV couldn't play Netflix, but mine could,


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[Assistant] Or like, I could only watch Michael Bay movies on my Michael Bay TV, but you couldn't? Cause you know the right TV? Wouldn't you be like,


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[Assistant] But think about it, I mean like, that would be, that's kinda like how games are with exclusives and stuff. At this point, consoles are kinda getting to the point of like,


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[Assistant] There's a lot of shared games, there's not really a lot of exclusives anymore, so now they're just becoming...


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[Assistant] I messed with it in PC, and it has a very console interface, but I know some of those things are graphically taxing, so I wonder if there is a... That could be another issue. Yeah, there's one thing where they're like, this thing will push rain effects to the limit, and it's like...


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[Assistant] Uh, okay, so there's a couple of interviews, you know, they made the rounds with every major website and outlet. Uh, bit of stuff, I guess. Whatever, who cares? Uhm.


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[Assistant] Uh, Mother's Day is coming up, and please for the love of God buy your mom something nice. Uh, and one of those nice things you can buy is flowers from 1-800flowers, uh, who is also sponsoring this podcast, go figure.


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[Assistant] So they just, they just hammer at you. Even if you don't have, like, suggested offers, they'll just blast you with shit. So, okay, fine. Whatever. I just don't respond. Uhm, then, like, this one dude, he buys it.


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[Assistant] So I noticed that I have not had a direct encounter like that. Uh, yes, but...


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[Assistant] Uhm, they're delicious, they ship right to you. You don't have to do much. It's as simple as ordering from Amazon. Uhm, and, you get the satisfaction of knowing that you're not a waste of a child.


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[Assistant] So one more time, that's uh, berries.com B E R R I E S dot com. Click on that microphone. It's pretty easy to see in the upper right hand corner. Use our code DUDESOUP.


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[Assistant] Which is, made it, made it funny. If you're, if you're the sort of person to allow in real life, you might be interested in our third podcast sponsor.


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[Assistant] I don't think they need to. I think at 400 they'll still, they'll still clean some money on that. And then, if they do...


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[Assistant] As you can see. So, I'm gonna give these out right now. Oh yea, I signed it. You can keep reading.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I don't know that there's ever gonna be an answer. It'll, I think it'll be the kind of things like, like Craig was saying where you can do that with the old ones, but you'll never get it with the new ones.


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[Assistant] I wanna see how the helmet gets on. I'm actually kind of curious. Oh, do you have to do the sponsor thing first?


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[Assistant] Well that was during the battle. That was during the actual battle. Oh, okay. The great battle of Ballista vs. Ballista. God, these rogues, these ronin.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I guess we could argue this started with She-Hulk back in the day, I don't know. Fuck yeah, and She-Ra. But then they did the Agent Carter, Peggy Carter, uh, what is it, Captain America. Is this a new Marvel exclusive?


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[Assistant] Adam, you should write movies. Or, horrible comic books. But is that just a thing on Marvel's thing to just sort of like gender swap all the- No. Cause I don't- I mean, I think it's-


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[Assistant] So for me- Have you ever read a Vanity Fair or like a Vogue or something? Like look through a woman's magazine and it's like 89% ads? Yea, it's all- I was like, well that's sort of a probably an antiquated way of thinking that only 18 to 34 men, I mean sure maybe they spend the most, but I dunno, a lot of people spend the night. Give them something to buy.


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[Assistant] Oh really? Yeah, there you go. See, it's cool. Weird. I don't see them, they're terrifying. In terms of like, entertainment though, it makes sense. Like, Titanic being the world's most popular film or, you know, whatever. Cause people are like, it's the love film. Like, maybe that was it. Or people just want to see dumb people in the 20s drown. I don't know. Uh, snuffy, you know.


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[Assistant] Post Armageddon, where, I mean, like, he was making bankable movies at that time. And then I think they were just like, we want our Titanic. And he's like, you know what people love right now? World War II, because they hate Japanese people. Let's make that movie. And they're like, Michael, I think you're a little crazy. You know, it's fine, don't worry. Another line of cocaine in the road away in his Lamborghini. Like, is he racist? No, he's just like that. He sees everyone as a


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[Assistant] I don't know. One day he's like, I want to make your daughter wash my car. I'm like, why would you say that?


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[Assistant] But, it's one of those things where, I remember everyone walked away from Batman for Superman being like, it's okay, or it's not great, I hated it. But everyone walks away going, Wonder Woman was awesome, her theme's amazing, uh, Ben Affleck's a great Batman, I like this, I like that, like, Henry Cavill's a great Superman, movie's not great, it's like,


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[Assistant] I think he was maybe even in Batman for Superman or they cast him and they cut his character out. But there is a like Sergeant General type guy.


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[Assistant] Uh, he's in Justice League Doom, uh, the animated thing, but he's like, he's a dude who's like, got kind of a thing for Wonder Woman, but he's like a sergeant guy, that might be like his grandson or something.


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[Assistant] That's the thing though, that's sort of, we've talked about this before and I've talked to people in the industry where sort of where these big budget films, these giant tent poles and these big cinematic universes are going where


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[Assistant] Just because a director's on it doesn't really mean they have a director's job.


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[Assistant] No, no, they brought, Edgar Wright came in with, he was, he was a creative visionary. He was like, I have an idea. I want to do this. Guys, hear me, they're like, Edgar, that's great. Edgar Wright can finish movies though. But, well, sure. Well yeah, the problem is, they didn't want him to. They didn't want him to. He wanted to make a stand-alone movie that stood on its own and they said,


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[Assistant] Well, it's like the Rousseau brothers, where it's like, they did Arrested Development, and then Civil War, and it's like, wait, what?


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[Assistant] The first one actually had a, it was a very tongue-in-cheek, it wasn't, I thought it was clever at the time because I was also like 16, but in the very beginning they have a James Bond character, basically be as James Bond as he can be, super slick, everything's cool, and get shot in the back of the head, like immediately.


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[Assistant] Or like, he's about to get out and they're like, boom, that was easy. And then it was like, oh, that's like the death of James Bond. And then it's like,


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[Assistant] And then it was also someone's idea to have extreme stunt scenes with a Vin Diesel lookalike who looks nothing like Vin Diesel, where he's up on a dirt bike and you're like, that is not him. He has hair. It was like 2001. Yeaah. Before stunts. Very confusing. TVs were blurrier back then. But it was the director of the original Fast and Furious.


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[Assistant] Gone from, I think he's gone about 35 feet.


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[Assistant] Uh, floated on a chair and then picked up a gauntlet. So I think now they're building up other characters like Dr. Strange where he has kind of bigger powers. Cause they're now getting to that point where like, okay now we're going to be fighting a space god.


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[Assistant] Thanos basically just goes like on his little chair flying around the universe like, gonna get these stones, and he gets them pretty quick, and uh, and then he basically just kills everybody, and then I think his sister basically brings them all back to life and goes undo, and then it fixes everything.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was a Homeland Security parallel. Har har har. Comics are, you know, so.


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[Assistant] Shocked as hard to stop. Yeah, well they basically, for some reason, there's a part, there's a part where they just meet in an alley and they're like...


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[Assistant] I am sad we live in a time where it's not Mad Men anymore.


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[Assistant] I, I went to a, uhm, I went to like, I went to like an industry type party for an industry that I'm not involved in. Well, it's a hedgehog 25th anniversary. No, this is different entirely. It was before that.


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[Assistant] It was a, like a clothing store that, uh, Lawrence and I had went to. We went shopping together. That was fun. Uh, but they had like an industry thing they invited me to. Like, oh, we're doing like a grand opening. Come on down. Like, totally cool. Jess and I went.


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[Assistant] Certain type of person who goes there, and when I went to the clothing one, there's a lot of, everyone looks like a model.


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[Assistant] Put some clarity on this. A friend of ours who we used to work with years ago, Scott, uh, had an Airbnb and he rented a 75 foot yacht. So fucking awesome.


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[Assistant] Well it was, so we walked through the main stage and they were announcing it, uh, as we were walking into the Sonic party, they were just about to announce Sonic Mania, and the fervor


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[Assistant] Yes, and like, I've never seen people get so excited for a thing that looks so old.


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[Assistant] That was the thing with like New Super Mario Brothers was it was old but new or like the show Stranger Things where it's like, oh it's nostalgic but it's something new.


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[Assistant] Also, we were the nerds who got to the sonic party early.


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[Assistant] But for a franchise, I could not give a shit about, I had a great time.


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[Assistant] It's an amazing party. It's an amazing fan culture. I'm happy something exists that brings people happiness. I'm glad to have that.


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[Assistant] Alright, and then he left, I don't know. Ah, who knows. But then Mario Maker came out and it's a runaway success and it's a great idea. When they announced Sonic, I was like, oh, they're finally going to announce like a- Sonic Creator. Yeah, Sonic Creator. People are going to build- I don't know. Crazy Sonic- Nope. It's just an old ass game. That's even harder than a Mario Maker.


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[Assistant] The reality that we are just gross disgusting flesh bags where pieces of our skin are constantly falling off and we're just


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[Assistant] But it got to a point where if I ate any food, my stomach would just expand. And it was just like, I just couldn't eat anything. And so I'd have to throw up, like I would just sit over the toilet and wait for it. But the pain wouldn't go away. And so I'd just keep throwing up and it got to a point where it was just bile. I'd never seen bile come out of my body. And it's just, like, it's just stomach acid.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's just this yellow. Yeah, and you're like, what the fuck is that? And then I just laid there, and I think I was like on a Jamba Juice diet basically for about a month. Wow, dude. I lost about 20 pounds.


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[Assistant] It was years before I met you guys. This was when I first started at Machinima and I took a break to work on a documentary. While I was working on that documentary I got crazy sick.


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[Assistant] No, I went to a doctor, I went to about three different doctors.


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[Assistant] And they could not figure it out. One of them gave me pills and I'm sure almost gave me a heart attack. Uh, cause I remember I could not sleep.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was, that was madness. Um, and then I went to another doctor and like, just no one could tell me what was wrong with me. They're like, I don't know. And they're like,


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[Assistant] Okay, gotcha. Yeah, cuz if it was Netflix saying they can't be like, Jessica Jones is a mutant, they're like, she's got powers. Oh, really? Yeah, she has the power to take Luke Cage's giant throbbing cock.


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[Assistant] That's right. Yes. Yeaah. I don't remember.


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[Assistant] Oh, he's the actor. Oh, okay. I like that dude. Yeah, he got fat and then he got skinny for, uh, the guest. He was just plump.


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[Assistant] Where it's like, you look like someone. You could be the next them. Like, ehh.


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[Assistant] That's sort of a gut reaction a lot of comic book fans have. I'm including myself in this. Like when Heath Ledger was announced as the Joker, I'm like...


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[Assistant] But, because he's, they're talking about like, I think they announced that Stephen Wolf's gonna be the main bad guy for Justice League. Uh, he's the one, he's in the deleted scene.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I think they said Steppenwolf, which is another part of the world of DC that I don't know a lot about.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, depending on what version of Aquaman they go with, Aquaman could be a very, like, protective type who is, yeah, xenophobic and...


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[Assistant] It's a little weird though when it's like this is your big epic movie and you're gonna use the white stripes. Okay?


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[Assistant] He is a talent. I just, I thought it was a poor choice. On the flip side, all the, in my opinion, the Suicide Squad trailers have been fantastic with the music choices and everything they've been doing. They even put out like a remix music thing for Comic Con and I thought it was good.


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[Assistant] And it was actually funny, cause, uh, Jess and I watched like all the trailers, missing some of the stuff, I guess the FX things or whatever, but like, we watched the Suicide Squad thing,


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[Assistant] Which I'm happy with because they're doing, they're reusing as much as they can because now people are starting to figure out what I've been saying for months is like, we don't know what the story is. They're slowly peeling current back because why are they going to Canada land?


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[Assistant] Physically, the game crashed, okay. What happened? It like froze for half a second. It happens at the 18 hour mark. Uhm, but no, she is, she is insanely attractive, but scary.


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[Assistant] I'm not a crazy fan of all the tattoos and stuff either, but whatever. I'm waiting for someone to actually do a re-release of the movie where they After Effects out all the bad tattoos. I think that you said this.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeaah, so anyways we found out that basically they had said they weren't working on Half-Life 3 and they hadn't been for years and years. They probably stopped development around 2009.


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[Assistant] Uhm, if they were doing it at all. And, and then Lawrence, uh, called up some super data research to tell us that why would Valve even need to make the game when they're making shitloads of money on lots of other projects. Uhm, and it makes total sense. And it's one of those games that still doesn't exist and we have seen no signs to the contrary.


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[Assistant] Did it say Half-Life 3 on it? I'm the only one that saw the video game. So, just so you guys know. Gabe, Gabe, we'll show you. Come here. We're walking.


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[Assistant] I was actually talking about the single player portal game, not the portal we just walked through.


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[Assistant] Or whatever, it only sold for 500,000. Your math is wrong. Uhm, but, uh, also a billion dollars was not only in cash, it would also be in stock, which was a very interesting part of that.


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[Assistant] So anyways, we reported that and actually we were told by our source that when we reported on it, it could actually change things.


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[Assistant] One thing we should explain about business is that, and this is something that you, I guess you may not know, especially even if you're like, you know, 25 years old and you've had a job for a while.


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[Assistant] If you are in demand, like Kojima is, then you can go to a bunch of different companies and solicit and say like, what will you give me that's better than the other company?


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[Assistant] You haven't actually done it. Like we haven't sat down and wrote code.


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[Assistant] There's actually, there's a couple of good analogies, or I guess analogous to other industries, and uh, politics is one of them. So if you, if you watch a lot of uh, like punditry or anything like that on CNN or MSNBC or Fox News or whatever, uhm, when they pick apart


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[Assistant] A politician says they're doing that because there are so much subtext in what they're talking about, and that's exactly what you're saying, which is if somebody says the PS3 is challenging to develop for, that means that it's very, very difficult. So when a politician is saying like,


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[Assistant] So, it's the same thing there, it's the same thing with the movies where you hear directors and producers sort of talk about each other. There was like, they were cool! When you hear that, that means they weren't cool. Most of the time. Most of the time it means like, they had a lot of problems and eventually they came to a resolution. Uh, it's the same with video games and any other industry because we're all humans.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there are a lot of difficulties that I've begun. You know, it's sort of the same with us when we talk about like...


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[Assistant] So multiply that by 500, and then you've got a game design studio. Like, you've got a game developer. You know, like, oh man. That's a lot of problems.


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[Assistant] No, it is a very good thing and I think that consumers, like, especially, uh, like, I guess PC gamers, the whiners.


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[Assistant] People see that. People see when you whine, and it does actually change things. It does. Uhm, whether or not that's a good thing, I don't know, but it does, it does change things.


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[Assistant] Shwaaam. Oh man, this is so cool. It was so worth it. Uh, also to be very fair to, uh, us, I have heard a couple of times where we've talked to, um, game developers and other people, and they've been like, oh yeah, you guys are right about this, but you're also wrong about this. Yes, of course. This is actually what's happening. And what's funny about that is a lot of the times if we're wrong about something and they tell us that we're right about it, we can't say it.


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[Assistant] And that sounds ridiculous, like it's a total cop-out, but there are things that like, we just can't say because it's, you know, NDA or what, or it's, there are happenings within the company that we're just not allowed to talk about. But, trust me, those things come up, uh, and we are definitely wrong about things, and actually I was going to encourage people in the comments.


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[Assistant] To, if there are other stories we reported on that, that we were objectively wrong about, that you can prove to us we were wrong.


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[Assistant] Like with data, then tell us in the comments or, you know, like, whatever, subreddit or tweet us, it doesn't matter. One of those. Please keep us honest, for sure. Cause I'd love, I would love to hear, uh,


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[Assistant] But there was a lot of predictions and those are not again, those are not facts. We're not objectively saying those things are right. We're just predicting that they could happen or may happen if we're wrong or wrong, whatever. Yeah.


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[Assistant] At that point, we are reporters. We don't consider ourselves reporters. We just, if, if it happens to come to us, then we want to do it justice. We want to do it correctly. Uhm, and that's when it ends up we are being reporters. But doesn't mean we consider ourselves reporters.


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[Assistant] Still, still though, like, I mean. So basically what you're saying is we should do what the Wii did, which is go outside. Basically like, at some point it should, I'm serious, because the reason I say that is because alcohol is advertised. Yes. Uhm, and they do, they say please drink response.


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[Assistant] So what you do is you put a splash screen in every two hours or whatever that says like, please go outside. And if you want to disable that, you go in the options and say disable, please go outside splash screen.


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, I was gonna say like a book ends and a video game typically will take a lot longer.


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[Assistant] I'm guessing that guy's wife was probably like, honey, please get off the computer, please get off the computer, I'm gonna leave you, please get off the computer, and like, you just didn't acknowledge it. I doubt she didn't say anything for an entire month and then was like, I'm leaving. Like, I'm sure.


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[Assistant] Alright, well where's the personal responsibility? I think what James is saying is like, if you put that warning there, then things are covered, and-


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[Assistant] I honestly don't think anybody will ever read it, but, but there is some sort of personal responsibility in the fact that then somebody can't sue, and we have to as a society decide if we're going to say, alright, are video games addictive or not? And then start deciding on how to deal with those things.


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[Assistant] If we say that, then most anything that causes pleasure is a dick.


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[Assistant] What Adam is saying is, it's kind of a slippery slope. So, that's the thing that I think, you know. I see.


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[Assistant] Do we have to, we have to worry about. So like whether or not we're going into dangerous territory by saying, alright, well let's put that thing on. Oh, you know what? Let's make the game shut down every two hours. It, it, yeaah. Yeaah, it's, yeaah. Then it's like this slippery slope that we don't know how far along we are.


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[Assistant] So what I'm saying is, if we want to legalize all drugs, it's sort of the same thing, right? At that point, we're deciding, alright, we're taking a bunch of different steps, because we're saying, do whatever you want! It's no big deal. We know they're addictive, but who gives a fuck? Do it. And...


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[Assistant] Right, but how many people have died of drinking alcohol? How many people have died, you know, like, fucking doing cocaine?


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[Assistant] I think maybe that's what Adam was thinking, that we thought the government was going to intervene.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it is. It's by J-Rock artist Beez, which is B apostrophe Z.


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[Assistant] You jumped off the cliff! We're playing Dragon's Dogma, darker version. They didn't make me clear what I was supposed to do. Not jump off the cliff. Most games point you in the direction you need to go, you'll turn around and... Oh, whatever. I like his thinking.


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[Assistant] Japanese made video games that are trying to be western RPGs.


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[Assistant] We're talking about the division, or at least, at least my, my particular confusion with the division. Sure. So Adam is the only one of us who's played it so far. Twice now. Oh, he's played three? Maybe even three times.


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[Assistant] Oh sure, well, I'm probably not going to ask you too much for your judgements of the game or your evaluations, because in my opinion it's a little unfair to make qualitative statements about a game that's not finished yet.


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[Assistant] Ubisoft was basically the only AAA publisher that was really releasing decent ports on PC. And you can, like, everyone just remembers the DRM was bad, but the ports were actually pretty good. And they were the only ones really giving a fuck at the time about porting games to PC. Everything was Xbox and PS3 at that point.


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[Assistant] And it's also, I think it's also important to re-, something that I don't think the gaming audience really understands or acknowledges, not that they need to, but Adam you kind of alluded to an important point which is that


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[Assistant] Acknowledge, and I think it actually explains a lot of weird behavior you may see out of a publisher, is that a lot of games players don't understand that they're just part of the audience that a publisher has to appease. So, a publisher has their developers, has the players, and has the investors.


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[Assistant] Both players and investors want things sometimes that don't make a lot of sense.


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[Assistant] And they stand nothing to gain by having them. Like, what does a publisher get by, by leveling with you about that, except that half the audience may misconstrue what you said and get even more angry?


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[Assistant] Yeah, Joel, I knew this would be your shit. Joel, you would like this game? Is your fetish, Joel?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, do you know Joel? He's got a tramp stamp that's a dragon breathing fire.


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[Assistant] Okay, you can exchange any book you aren't happy with for another title anytime, no questions asked. Uh, there's no, there's no soft keyboard? Hit A. Hmm.


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[Assistant] Well, at any rate, uh, so just for, just for our dude soup listeners, Audible is offering a free 30-day trial membership, so if you've been meaning to catch up on your books, maybe, maybe feel smarter about things, uh, Lord knows that


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[Assistant] You know, if you travel, if you commute, it's a great way to catch up on all those books that people claim to read but probably haven't.


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[Assistant] So, you know, cheat your way to smartness, go to audible.com slash dudesoup and thank you for your sponsorship, Audible. Alright, uh, so yes.


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[Assistant] My confusion with the division. I don't get why people are so excited for it.


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[Assistant] I mean it doesn't, it doesn't help because, uh, also props to this game for being one of the few games that lets you play as a fat person.


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[Assistant] So, when I first saw The Division, uh, like when they did their first demo, I was like, I have no idea what that is. And everybody got really excited about it, and to me, immediately I was already thinking, oh, we're looking at a Destiny situation again.


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[Assistant] Not really, no. No! Uhm, and now we're getting a better look at it, and it's, it's, it's a loot grindy shooter game.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they'd have to, they'd have to backwards engineer it, and that's gonna take a couple years, so.


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[Assistant] Well, so you're getting into a good question, Adam. Uh, and another one that I want to ask is, I think we all have, yeah, pretty much all of us have experiences playing different kinds of MMOs or, or like,


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[Assistant] Now, look, you're just whining about it and I get to play a video game. But, so, since we've all played them to an extent, I feel like we all kind of have an understanding of what we like about those experiences. Oh my god, they jiggle. And there's always-


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[Assistant] There's always, like, everyone kinda gets something different out of it, whether or not you really want that heroin hit of the next loot. Uh, I have my particular things, but I'd like to hear from you guys. Uh, what do you find enjoyable about games like that, that can't be beat, and aren't really competitive, and are never really challenging?


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[Assistant] What the fuck? So then, Joel, in your case, a game would need to meter out progression to you pretty steadily to keep you interested.


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[Assistant] Well, no, no, it's even the opposite. The idea is that you have investigated a game and you found something about it that gives you an edge.


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[Assistant] They, uh, so this actually happened in the LCS Season 3 World Funnels, I think? There was like an experience glitch where one of the players, uh, found out that, like, if you did something with a particular character, you could earn experience for lane kills, like, across the map. So one of their carries leveled up way faster than they should have.


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[Assistant] And the like, there was, that glitch hadn't been discovered yet by the community, just this team found it, and they busted it out in a match.


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[Assistant] Did what players should do, whatever it takes to win, in the rule set. They were like, okay, well, from now on that glitch is banned.


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[Assistant] I guess I assume that people would have caught on by now, that, ahem, there's a lot of genuine excitement for the game, but...


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[Assistant] All I can hear is that like, I like loot and I like modern shooter games.


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[Assistant] Oh, I think you haven't lived my friend. This is what scares me about the Final Fantasy 7 remake. Because I feel like that's, that's essentially the undercurrent, huh? But everyone wants to feel like they're playing Final Fantasy 7 for the first time. Yeah. All over again, but that was such a magic intersection of all sorts of bullshit. Sure. Like it was late 90s.


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[Assistant] Or at least, at least understand what you're getting out of it. So when you hit the end of the loot treadmill, you don't get really pissed off that it stopped working. And in a sense, like the rage you see on some of the Destiny forums or whatever.


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[Assistant] Some of the quests get pretty weird later on.


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[Assistant] Well see, this is what I like. One of the things I respect most about games is the games that drop the pretense of giving you a living world, and acknowledge even internally or to you the player, yeah, it's a quest, dummy, but,


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[Assistant] We're gonna make it interesting, like, it's not like a Fallout 4- oh nice.


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[Assistant] Like a Fallout 4 quest is, oh, look at this beautiful world we've crafted and oh, just go kill everyone there and bring me back a carton of milk. And the killing is not interesting.


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[Assistant] The place is not really that interesting either. So you're on the loot treadmill. A good game, or sorry, a game that I like.


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[Assistant] Like, making a game like Fallout 4 is really hard because you have to, you have to kind of salt the earth with a shitload of content. And what that ends up being is you make these like game creation tools and you put it out to this cubicle farm of people that all make fetch quests and because that works.


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[Assistant] So Adam, you hit on, you hit on one of the other aspects of, of Loot Grindy games, is community. Uh, and, uhm,


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[Assistant] World of Warcraft, uh, you know, it has its, it has its raids and its, its kind of mechanically intense boss fights, which I consider to be that sort of experience where you have to learn and think and be good at the game, but another part of it is when you're doing the loot grindy part of it and you're, you know, in Alliance chat or on Skype or on Venge or whatever with your bros just drinking beer and hanging out,


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[Assistant] Is that you have a friend that said, bro, I'm excited for The Division, and you're like, oh, okay, so that's the game we're playing now? You better fucking play it if I buy it. Uh, and I think that's kind of what, cause it's such a, it's such a social experience, you only have to convert one in a group of friends to say, everyone, we're playing The Division, and then you have five copies out there.


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[Assistant] Uh, this, this, uh, podcast is also sponsored by Mack Weldon, who make, uh...


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[Assistant] Oh, that's a long face. Make artisan underwears for your artisanal crotch. Uhm, let me-


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[Assistant] The, uh, the thing that Mack Weldon would like to stress, and that I would probably agree with, is that Mack Weldon is better than whatever you have on your body right now, provided you're not naked. And if you are, let us know. Uh, we need to sell those body pillows. But, uh, they're...


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[Assistant] There's a certain cutoff, I think, in everyone's life, and I talk about this a lot, where you start to understand that spending money on things aside from video games is worth it. And I think this is definitely one of those moments where you spend probably more time with your underwear than anything else in your life trying to think about this.


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[Assistant] So we really encourage you to go check it out. Oh man, Joel, you're making a... Can I, uh...


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[Assistant] I feel like sometimes like a human trash bag, but apparently the right kind of underwear can make that bag look good.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't need them anymore. I'm basically making the transition right now. I've got a, I've got a, uh, like a Tundra permafrost layer on the bottom of my underwear box. That's all my old underwear and they're just, you know, it's bad. It's bad news. I don't relish the day when I have gone long enough without laundry to not wear my mack well.


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[Assistant] So one of the, the thing that I've, I've learned that I enjoy most about those kinds of games, the grinding games, oh jeez.


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[Assistant] Is that, uh, first of all, I enjoy crafted content, so in Destiny, I liked the s- I liked playing through the story, what there was of it. When Taken King came out, that was a really good experience. Going to the Dreadnought was really cool. I also enjoy, like, exploring areas. I feel like when you're playing an MMO,


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[Assistant] More than any other kind of game, the environments are crafted very large, because they have to accommodate a large number of players. So you get that experience where you feel kind of small in a big living world. That's kind of fun. But yeaah.


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[Assistant] The burn rate on that kind of content is very high, so personally, I'll get through it relatively quickly, and then you're left with the end game, which is, you know, a series of treadmills that drip out progression at slower and slower paces. And drip out. Yea, you got that, that morphine. And that's kind of when I start to fade off.


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[Assistant] Unless I find that repetition enjoyable or challenging. And one of the, the reason that like Final Fantasy XIV is my MMO of choice right now is that...


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[Assistant] Uh, it's hard no matter what, uh, depending on what treadmill you choose to run on. Uh, the one that I like the most is basically you go through, so, they'll have raid fights and WoW kind of got to this point where instead of doing a big long dungeon with a huge boss at the end, it's just the boss.


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[Assistant] And these attack patterns that are really challenging and, like, you never get to the point where you have mastered it to where it becomes rote. You always have, ah.


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[Assistant] You always have to be paying attention. Uh, and you always have to play the game. And be good at it. And understand your role and play it well. Uh, and I- I'm kind of- I'm not holding out a lot of hope that the Division is gonna provide that kind of experience.


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[Assistant] Not really, no. It's just normal matchmaking PvP. Uhm.


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[Assistant] So I feel like that's a really unique twist and it kind of reminds me of, you know, Ultima Online had that way back in the day. Uh, DayZ is kind of the same experience now, where...


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[Assistant] It's, it works, but at the same time, I guess my mind is really reductionist, cause I'm thinking, all they're doing is betting your time against you. You invest this time to get your perps, or whatever, your shoulder pads.


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[Assistant] Okay, but I might take that away. And that's where the excitement comes from. I would rather the excitement come from...


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[Assistant] Yeah, that happens a lot nowadays too. Or like, form threads that start, that ask, what do we think about this?


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[Assistant] Oh yea, I got that too. I busted my lip open with that thing. It was so big and heavy.


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[Assistant] I've got a Surface 3 Pro, which I adore. Uhm. Oh, it's a PC. Yeah, it is, it is a PC tablet.


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[Assistant] If I'm playing a game or doing something computer intensive, it- it lasts maybe three and a half, four hours. But if I'm just watching a video, it can last most polite, so some- I need to stock up for the flight coming up. I'm gonna play Oxenfree. Excited about that? Maybe finish Shadowrun?


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[Assistant] Oh wait, did you grab the Lenovo? I knew that was going to be your flight computer.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you can use whatever video card you want. It's just, it's just a, it's like a hard drive enclosure. You just, you slam a video card in there, close it, and then plug it in.


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[Assistant] Oh, that's fuckin' rad! Okay. Yeah, I-I, so I could be wrong about that, but I remember when I saw the picture of it I was like, oh, it's just, you just, you just unscrew the back and then pop whatever card you want in there.


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[Assistant] Or we have to plug it in. The Wii U is the most cord-intensive console in it.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, so I was thinking about packing my Wii U to be honest, I, you know, I got one-weeker HD to play, uh, Twilight Princess HD to come out. Packing your Wii U to go to Australia?


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[Assistant] Uhm, and, you also need to be able to charge the gamepad, but there are USB, there are USB chargers so you can just plug it into the Wii U and plug it into the gamepad.


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[Assistant] Live show there. So yeah, thanks for watching everybody on, on the website. Hello, yeah. Hey, sorry. And, uh, we will see you soon. Joel fighting bats now. Yeah, Joel's gonna get killed. Joel, thanks for driving. Just jump off the edge, that's the only way you can stop them.


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[Assistant] I wrote down a bunch of ideas and I was like, I have an idea. I want to make an Alien vs Predator movie. Yes! So here's the thing. Nature documentary.


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[Assistant] Just make it like a documentary filmmaker watching these like predators like basically hunt aliens on like an alien planet somewhere and just do it. You don't laugh at me you assholes. Hold on, hold on, that's a good idea.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but the idea is that it's far enough in the future that like, I mean we're at the point now where GoPros are so tiny, like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, but it's opinionated. I mean that's honestly, that's what the internet is. It's opinions. I mean, we're not, we're not CNN, we're not, uh, you know, it's like, we're...


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[Assistant] That's really it. And it's funny because it is sort of a Fox News slash MSNBC sort of slant on things, but


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[Assistant] There are so many people, so many heated opinions about something that, saying this in a very nice way, ultimately does not matter. It is, it's video games, life will continue one way or the other, but it's entertainment, it's fun entertainment, and I love that there's different avenues that we can take in on it. And it's like, uhm, it's ultimately, to answer your question, it's fun.


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[Assistant] If you wanted to. This episode of Dudeship is brought to you by two sponsors, Luke Crate and Mack Weldon. We'll hear from those later. Uh, but first, uh, we're calling Iowa for J-J-J-Senior George-George Senior. Start the game with the politics. Call him 8W.


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[Assistant] There. Twisted it on ya. What are we playing today? Playing Darkest Dungeon. Is it a roguelike? Uhm, I think it's roguelike-esque. It's roguelike-like. It's a roguelike-like.


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[Assistant] Essentially you're in a dungeon and my understanding is, it's full of challenges, but you're like, your team's mental state is a big deal, so if they get all spooked and freaked out, you have to...


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[Assistant] It's done. They fixed it. They fixed it. Just this morning, they were like, oh shit. No, it was last night, last night. It was last night, sorry. So that would be Monday night. Pulled a big whoopsie, we're like, oh, you guys are real mad, nevermind.


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[Assistant] So there's a lot of really interesting things about how all this went down, but I guess we can summarize it for those who may not be totally up to speed or maybe only have half the story, because boy, there's a lot of that going around. Yep, I'm probably one of them.


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[Assistant] That's actually, that's a very powerful moral. Uh, I would say the moral is don't expect a broad audience to understand the intricacies of media production and licensing. Uhm, and they will get mad if they get, if they maybe have a half understanding of it. Which it, don't let that sound like a defense of what happened because I kind of, I think it was pretty stupid.


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[Assistant] Let's explain the story. So uhm, I don't have the dates written down here, but not too mu- not too long ago by internet time.


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[Assistant] Uh, Fine Brothers announced React World, which is a way for them to license out the React brand imagery and all this shit. So anyone else can make a reaction video, ala the Fine Brothers style, use their, use their branding, use their imagery on the thumbnail and stuff.


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[Assistant] And then that way, so to, to back it up just a smidge. This stuff happens on the internet all the time, where somebody will, uh,


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[Assistant] Make a thumbnail and title that looks like another kind of series. And the intention is obviously to trick people into clicking on watching it.


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[Assistant] Oh yea. Somebody will take a very popular video, make a reaction video to it, and the title and thumbnail will be almost the same. With the intention of... the... the creator would say that this isn't true, but...


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[Assistant] Let's be honest, the obvious intention is to get people to click on your video instead of the one that you thought was popular.


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[Assistant] No worries, uhm, so, okay, so the idea was...


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[Assistant] Instead of a bunch of people ripping off Fine Brothers style or the reaction format in general, which the Fine Brothers apparently laid claim to in this process, which is part of the problem, uhm, now you could legitimately pay them for the Fine Brothers, like the React logo, the branding, and essentially


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[Assistant] The format, which is to say, not just people reacting to things, but the...


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[Assistant] The way that the camera moves, the timing of the cuts, the music. Format means a lot more than just the premise of a video. Format can also mean the editing pace, the style of it, the setup where like you explain the premise and then cut to people reacting at a certain tempo. Uhm, it goes a little deeper than just they have trademarked people reacting to things.


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[Assistant] Yes, and that's, that's, that's part of the greater problem, I think, is that, uh, they didn't, they, they assumed that the audience knew exactly what the licensing of the format meant, uhm, and it didn't mean that. Oh, are you gonna stop bleeding, dog, or are you just gonna die?


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[Assistant] Uhm, well, I think James is right. Uh, there's some aspects to this that could've, could've bared a little more business savvy in their execution. Uh, so they put out their initial video that the tone was pretty raunchy, especially for the idea they were pitching. From their perspective, and I think Adam has said this before,


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[Assistant] It did seem like they were kind of in their own world a little bit, where it's like, we make, we make these videos and people love them, and people know who we are, and they know everything about content production, so we're just gonna let them know, hey, you can share in this stuff and it'll be great. And then people are like, wait a minute, you're trying to trademark reaction videos?


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[Assistant] You're gonna like go after people with cease and desist if they try to make reaction videos and they were like, or rather, they had, they then had to kind of...


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[Assistant] There was a Facebook post that they made that has since been deleted, by the way. All this stuff has been wiped away.


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[Assistant] From the Fine Brothers said, We do not own the idea or copyright for reaction videos overall, nor did we ever say we did. You don't need anyone's permission to make these kinds of videos and we're not coming after anyone.


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[Assistant] Uh, but then people called them out because they actually did that for Ellen when she did that. So, uh, they did, they did a Facebook post, uh, and I'm paraphrasing here, but essentially Ellen did a reaction video on her show to kids reacting to old tech and the Fine Brothers posted like, can you believe she's doing this? They didn't even include us. That's not right. Let's all go after Ellen. So, it's like, damn it.


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[Assistant] It's always very eye-opening. On the subject of industry, we should mention that we are part of Fullscreen Incorporated, which is also the network that Fine Brothers is a part of. That's right, yea. So there is a connection there, even though we've never met them, never been a part of their content, and have nothing to do with them.


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[Assistant] They never technically contradicted themselves provided you know all the intricacies of media production and what trademarks are. But...


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[Assistant] So they're posting things on Facebook saying like, would you not own the idea or copyright for reaction videos?


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[Assistant] And yet they filed a trademark for the word React by itself. In addition to a bunch of other trademarks that they already own. And that's kind of, uh, an interesting thing when it comes to the timing of it. So they, they already filed and got trademarks for, let me make sure I've got this right here, Teens React and Elders React.


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[Assistant] Yeah, these are really old, uh, 2013 actually, sorry. Uh, July 2013. Or is that August? No, it's July.


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[Assistant] So they have a ton of other ones out that they've just, that they've just taken out. Uhm, wait I got the, yeah, okay. So they have the word react by itself, parents react, celebrities react, and adults react. So they're taking out all these trademarks at the same time saying, no, no, no, we're not trying to own reaction.


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[Assistant] I mean, essentially they're trying to get the tools to own it if they need to, even though they're not doing that yet. It gets pretty weird.


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[Assistant] Little bit. It's, it's weird because what, what they are attempting to do is give you a legal and proper way to basically ape their style. Uhm, but people on YouTube do that anyway. Uh, and then, and then Fine Brothers slash, fullscreen actually, look like the bad guys by issuing takedowns on videos that...


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[Assistant] Arguably are clearly trying to imitate a Fine Brothers video, which is very popular. And then it- and then the discussion gets a little weird because-


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[Assistant] I've heard people say without saying like, well you already have all the views, just let us do it. And that doesn't work. Like you can't...


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[Assistant] You can't make a TV show with a similar title and tone, like you can't make the big explosion theory, and it's just about a bunch of nerds like referencing 80's cartoons. You can't do that, you don't get away with that. But somehow on YouTube it seems much more democratic, because I guess-


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[Assistant] Yeah, right? And, and people would do that. And the guys that, the guys and girls that have built those channels and created those properties, they're entitled to some amount of protection, right?


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[Assistant] Maybe. Uhm, the pro- I guess the problem in this case is, Fine Brothers did not invent the reaction formula. There were reaction videos on YouTube far before they did it. Uhm, they didn't- they did a pretty good job of perfecting the format. But, uh, the-


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[Assistant] I would say the, I would say the core of the anger is that doesn't entitle them to own the format Lock, Stock and Barrel.


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[Assistant] So, I've got a few rebuttals for you, James. Okay. Uhm, and this isn't what I think. This is just, uh, this is just like, this is what people say, or what a business person would say in response to what you're saying. Uhm, one is, when it comes to,


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[Assistant] The problem isn't really like, you don't, you don't have lack of faith in your inability to keep like playing the game or fighting the game. I think the, the issue is in what people say when they're defending Trademark is that the existence of this other content that is so similar to ours has the potential to damage the, the brand that we've built. So...


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[Assistant] I'm not saying that that applies in this circumstance, but the argument would be, we have spent a lot of time developing a formula and a format of content for reaction videos that we're very proud of and perform very well.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so when it comes to discussions like this, what I find-


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[Assistant] Endlessly fascinating is that people turn what is the, like James was saying, the most capitalist move into a moral problem, which is that you're not allowed to claim that, like that's not yours, you don't get to have that. But morals don't really enter into it, you gotta use, yeah there you go.


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[Assistant] Uh, when it comes to business and law, it's not about what's right or wrong, it's about what's legal and what you can get away with. And I can't really fault Fine Brothers for...


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[Assistant] Trying to build, cause that's essentially what they're doing, trying to build like a money machine. On the internet. For doing something pretty...


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[Assistant] I mean, producing the content isn't hard, but it is essentially a turnkey production. You just have to find the next subject to produce on, and then invite in people and get them to say what you want.


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[Assistant] Oh, well, you're, you're, oh, well, no, I don't mean that, I mean it just in terms of copyright and trademark, well, trademark specifically.


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[Assistant] So I asked, I asked you if you thought, you were saying like doing, doing takedowns of other people's content.


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[Assistant] So, I uhm, going a little bit back to what you guys were talking about, uhm,


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[Assistant] So I, I think Content ID is really just a, uh, it's kind of the inevitable follow-up to the precedent from the Napster suit in the late 90s. Which is that Napster was found distributing copyrighted material or trademarked material, uh, and Napster was like, no, we're just the intermediary. It's not our responsibility what users do with our service, we just provide the service.


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[Assistant] Uhm, turns out they are responsible, or rather they have to show at least some good faith effort to protect the trademark integrity and copyright integrity of all the media that's on their service. And that's what Content ID is. It's YouTube's good faith effort to protect the integrity of things on its service.


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[Assistant] Whether it's right or wrong, again, I don't think morals really factor into it. It's, it's, it's the emergent system that is compliant with the law of the land. In North, in the United States at least.


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[Assistant] Well, it's weird, cause even Prelinger, uhm, so I was using some Prelinger footage on a YouTube video, and I uploaded it, and it got hit with Content ID, and I was like, what the fuck? And then I had to dig through the terms for Prelinger, and it turns out, it's only certified as, uh, fi- or, whatever the, what is the word for it?


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[Assistant] What? Public domain. Oh. It's only certified as public domain by the uploader. So anyone can put whatever they want on Braille here and it doesn't mean that it's actually...


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[Assistant] How dare you, uh, Warner Brothers, trademarking my livelihood? Uh...


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't have a segway there. Some boxes. Just do the ad read. Yeah. This podcast is sponsored by Loot Crate. Uh, for February they braved the dangers of Alexandria and bribed some mercs with chimichangas to bring you the finest loot this site of the afterlife.


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[Assistant] Uhm, February's month- February's theme is Dead, which is across genres, giving you five exclusives, including a t-shirt and two figures to celebrate the release of The Walking Dead and Deadpool's solo film debut.


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[Assistant] Uh, you have until the 19th at 9pm pacific to subscribe to receive the deadcrate when that happen- or when the cutoff happens it's over. So go to lootcrate.com slash dude soup and enter code dude soup to save $3 on your subscription for a box full of goodies that probably have nothing to do with YouTube copyright. Thank you for your sponsorship lootcrate. Talk to you next month. Somebody help me out.


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[Assistant] Well, okay, so, I honestly think the public outcry was enough to convince them they should-


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[Assistant] Okay, yeah. We're retracting everything. We realized we built a system that could easily be used for wrong. We are fixing it. Oh, come on. Uhm, whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.


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[Assistant] Uh, Discontinue the world, react world program, never really started release, all past content ID claims, two stars, content IDs, da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Uhm, okay. So, I think, I think the moral here is that


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[Assistant] If, if, if this weren't YouTube, they would have gotten away with it. And, and gotten away makes it sound like they were doing something wrong. They would have launched the program and nobody probably would have known about it because licensing has existed for years. Uhm, so I think it's interesting in this case that


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[Assistant] Now creators are more, more beholden to do their own PR than ever before, and also the


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[Assistant] There's this weird, I think James hinted at it, this weird false sense of security that if people watch your videos they like you. Whereas most people that watch, watch react videos see a funny thumbnail and click on it and have no fucking clue who the Fine Brothers are. Couldn't give less of a shit.


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[Assistant] But the idea that there is the- They're not really the forward-facing personality. No, they're not. And that's not- I actually respect that. That's a- That's fine. It's what a business does. Yeah, it shows that you're savvy, but also-


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[Assistant] You are, you are definitely beholden to the whims of your audience more than ever before.


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[Assistant] Great. Yeah, that's good. Well, I guess I can just use the OBS recording. It looks like shit though. Scary. It's an audio podcast. Well, I could win. No, it doesn't matter.


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[Assistant] The other capture is fucked at this point, if you don't stop it. Oh. Yep. This happened during the- Hey! It's funny, this happened during the Tomb Raider podcast. Yay!


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[Assistant] If, uh, yeaah, don't live in your own bubble. Keep yourself humble. I think one of the things you guys hinted at before was really good in the sense that you can't really rest on your laurels or format. Especially in this day and age, you have to innovate all the time. You have to stay hungry. And, like,


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[Assistant] Trying to lock down a, like a money generating machine like that in perpetuity doesn't really work. Uhm, I know a lot of MCNs, essentially that's what they're trying to do, they're running networks. Some of them are finding success, but holy crap, a whole shitload of networks have come and gone.


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[Assistant] Yeah, go to one more. So that, I don't know, that said, I really can't, can't hate on the game too much.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the feed broke, so now nobody's listening to it anymore. This is just us commentating the witness now. In audio only form. Up, right, no, down, no, get that one, no, the other way.


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[Assistant] I really want to see 13 hours. I do too. 13 hours party! Yeah. Iowa!


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[Assistant] So speaking of living in a bubble, uh, this is sadly not an ad read. But, finally, there's an Indiegogo for a VR game where you can fight monsters and fuck girls.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but, and this gift is probably the best thing in the world.


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[Assistant] It's a, it's a VR girl, twerking it, and then, so, Let me hold this up to the webcam here. You guys can all get a little look at it. Right.


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[Assistant] Essentially, you shove your dick in this long, like, neoprene tube, and then these clamps on the outside press in on the tube at whatever interval that you're getting digitally fucked.


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[Assistant] Well, no, no, no. It was just called twerk.gif. So, the gif itself is a lady shaking that ass, and then the robot arm.


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[Assistant] Okay, well sure, fuck it. You know, whatever man. It all works. That's a stretch call. Hold on. Where's my wallet? Ah, that was a-


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[Assistant] Whatcha call it? The more you resist, the harder my penis gets.


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[Assistant] I guess, I guess what I wanna talk about is, uhm, I love this, and I'm glad it exists, and I will be there, uh, sticking my dick in whatever they want me to stick it into.


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[Assistant] Okay, so there's, there's already, arguably,


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[Assistant] Depending on, depending on what, what ethos you follow. There's already kind of a problem with like, male fantasy fulfillment in terms of media, maybe? Oh yea. So what happens when you can just live in that world? Like you can drown in even more reality and be like, the reality I want to live in is where I stab a minotaur in the face and then I fuck a giant titty girl who doesn't say anything. Japan happens. Yea.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I'm kind of waiting for, I mean, I think it's all situational, there was a time when I was pretty on board with the idea, but that all fell apart. So, I don't know anymore.


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[Assistant] Are we really running up on it? No, we're fine. Just for you ladies out there, it's not all about dudes. There's a Q&A section here. Are you planning on offering a female version of your product if we're successful here? Yes, we plan on releasing a female version of the product which can be used with adult gaming or multiplayer experiences.


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[Assistant] Okay. Oh wait, that doesn't work. That doesn't work. That's why I was so close. Oops. Uh, I don't know, I'm enjoying, I think we really are in a period of transition right now. This is like the infancy of being able to choose not to live in the real world if you decide to. I farted. Nice.


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[Assistant] Yeah, basically, they've elected not to live in a physical real world. Not to say that the other world is less real, because it's all human beings with human emotions, but I don't know. I think we're on the cusp of that becoming even more attractive to a certain kind of person that doesn't either get the world or doesn't want to be in it. And the idea that you can


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[Assistant] Like, basically, the fantasies or the desires that you are bred with as a stupid monkey human being will be more easily attainable and more like, impactfully attainable through digital means than physical ones. Which will be a very interesting place for the human race to go.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, hold on, I'm backin' up here. They're at 7,000 out of 20,000, so they're pretty close to, uh...


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[Assistant] The same. You clearly don't understand. I wanna stab the Minotaur and then fuck the giant lady.


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[Assistant] Watch, watch me fuck this robot. I mean, fair maiden. God, so good. Okay.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no problem. Uh, speaking of spending hours alone with various body fluids coming out of you, uh, you should check out Mack-Weldon underwear. Cause they're naturally antimicrobial. Oh, you guys, really? I'm wearing my official-


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[Assistant] Yeah. And then, well, the concept will be, we're all like, flaccid-faced, wearing VR goggles and nothing but our underwear. With like, stains all over.


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[Assistant] Yeah, live the future, wear Mack Weldon's today. I'm gonna go out, even though they didn't tell me I could say this, I'm gonna go out and say they're the official underwear of, of having sex with minotaurs in virtual reality. Oh jeez. Yeah, they're gonna love it. I don't know if they want that title.


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[Assistant] We'll make our own calendar, where we're all having sex with minotaurs. I don't know, Mack Weldon Underwear is fantastic.


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[Assistant] James described it once as, like, feeling like Spider-Man, which is absolutely true. It, uh, it clings to you in all the right places. It's got, like, crazy weaving and textures. It's basically like tactical underwear. It's Call of Duty underwear. It's great. Nothing can ever go wrong in a pair of Mack Weldon's. That's probably a better tagline than, uhm, have sex with a giant VR monster.


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[Assistant] That's true, I'm speaking well ahead of myself. But they're very comfortable, I can at least say that. And like I said before, antimicrobial, so, uh, if you- if you're prone- if you're prone to crotch stank, this should help out. I'm a good salesman, Bruce. Crotch stank.


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[Assistant] Oh my gosh. Uh, and they have a, they have a satisfaction guarantee, uh, which, there's, there's probably some reference to having sex from the Minotaur in there somewhere. Yeah. Alright.


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[Assistant] Still getting over RTX Australia, which we'll talk about in a second. But, uh, you can try your first pair, uh, and if you don't like it, you can keep it, and they will still refund you. No questions asked at all.


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[Assistant] So please go to MackWeldon.com and get 20% off your order using our promo code SUP, S-O-U-P. Once again, that's MackWeldon.com and our promo code is SUP. Please try it out. Uh, treat your, treat your tendrils correct.


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[Assistant] Treat him well, and he'll love you back. Treat him well, then. There- oh, nice.


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[Assistant] Uh, alright, so Adam wanted to talk about Crazen, so take it away.


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[Assistant] I don't want to play, I don't want to think about craze. James, do you want to appear smart in front of everybody?


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[Assistant] Well, the blue has to go through the blue, and you have to cover up all the blacks, and the yellow has to go through the yellow. And also, the paths are mirrored. You jumble, you did it again. Brilliant.


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[Assistant] The irony is, uh, most masks are, if it's like a scuba diving mask, it's actually not meant to fit that well, cause when you go lower, the water actually pushes it onto your face. Right, of course. And then it forms a seal.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Amazing. I was, I was promised, uh, dirt and angry animals and I didn't see either. Sydney was a really nice people. A beautiful normal city? Yeah, a lot of very nice people. Uh, man. A lot of sweating. Whole lot of sweating.


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[Assistant] And then the fan meetup place also didn't have air conditioning. It did!


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[Assistant] And I'm proud of us for getting through that without fighting, bitterly.


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[Assistant] I think we did a great job of, uh, being team based. Problem solving?


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[Assistant] Finally! Oh man, I hope not. The only thing that kinda, like, Bruce gets into experiences, but he never gets so into them that he breaks. Like he never tilts. Yeah, basically.


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[Assistant] Uh, well, uh, that'll, that'll, that's your home, uh, Dude, uh, Dude Supers, Dude Soup Nation. Your homework this week is to go and watch, uh, Space Jam. And, and tell us if you understand that reference or not.


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[Assistant] If, uh, if somehow you're listening to this, your feed is working, but if you have a friend whose feed is not working, let them know that they can just delete and resubscribe to the feed, and that should unstick everything. It's really tough, we've been trying to spread the word, but...


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[Assistant] So the one thing I guess that our audience probably knows, like I think Lawrence, you already sort of touched on it, but, uh, when you start work at a company, and usually the larger company it is, the more paperwork you sign, they usually have you sign something that says,


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[Assistant] Uh, you can't talk about the company. Uhm, like in a public way, typically.


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[Assistant] But you cannot talk about it in public. Talk about it on Twitter or Facebook or whatever.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and that's one thing that you just sort of have to be aware of because I'm sure a lot of...


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[Assistant] A lot of people on the internet I've seen so far are like, you know, I'm one of them saying like, I can't believe Nintendo fired this guy. It sounds like if he didn't say anything negative.


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[Assistant] I want to see if people will come out and just like, and hang out with us for an hour while we do a podcast. I mean, like, cause that's, that's what those, the YouTube live panel was like at RTX. Uh, basically we just had a thousand people yelling suggestions at us and asking us questions and


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[Assistant] To us. No. It goes to Rooster Teeth. Yeah. So just so you guys are aware, like, we're not making money off of, uh, I guess pimping this out.


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[Assistant] People have your information, and it's one of those things where like, if you're not doing anything bad,


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[Assistant] Oh, you didn't get the last one. You're absolutely right, and that's sort of the problem, Joel, is that we gave you all the tools with your Google Nexus phone and now everybody knows where you are because you're using the phone.


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[Assistant] So we've only flown, I've flown Spirit Air twice in my entire life. Yesterday being the second time. Well, or like a completed round trip. The first time was on, uh, we went to CES and I remember Bruce was especially salty.


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[Assistant] It's a weird thing, like- To Vegas! I don't think-


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[Assistant] I don't know, I think even Guardians of the Galaxy, I think there's a giant whiteboard somewhere at Disney Marvel or whatever, and they're basically saying, you need to hit these notes, you gotta do this, and I think,


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[Assistant] Oh man, uhm, but either way, so when I was watching it- Critical strike! This is impossible to play. Uhm, I'm just gonna fucking die, fuck it.


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[Assistant] Or reload. Uhm, but anyway, yeaah, so, that scene in Ant-Man, I'll go back to the Captain America part in a second, but,


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[Assistant] I was like, I knew it was shoved in. Uhm, I know we're totally spoiling the movie. Sorry. I guess not really. I don't know. Well, I mean, if anything, this should excite you. There's a moment where they reference the Avengers.


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[Assistant] Different, and I like the fact that they're all connected. This is the sort of thing that I wished for when I was a kid. Like. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Consumable or whatever. It's accessible, accessible. It absolutely is. Well no, and then like for me, it's...


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[Assistant] I saw that trailer and I was like, I know what I'm getting. They showed all the good stuff, I get it.


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[Assistant] I paid extra to see Ant-Man in the theater because that was the only way I could see it. If they had an on-demand option, yea, I'd watch it at home. Totally. I would've watched it on HBO or whatever way it would come, I would've paid for it to see it.


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[Assistant] Looks like it. Next question! The disc will rise.


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[Assistant] Uh, when it comes to doing sequels, because I know when the first game came out, it was like, it was met with like a bunch of different types of criticism and actually a lot of praise. I think like James and I were two of the guys who were like, hey, it's really fun and it's better than other games that are kind of in a similar genre. Uhm.


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[Assistant] What's the kind of the thought process going into like a sequel? Cause I know the original series, like at least in my opinion was like, it just got hit with so many sequels. Like, I couldn't tell the difference between Angel of Darkness and 3 Gold Edition Part 4. Uhm. Then it got rebooted and then rebooted again. Are you guys being like a lot more careful or are you just kind of like, let's just do whatever we want?


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[Assistant] You guys seem to be really doubling down on sort of the tomb aspect of Tomb Raider, whereas like I was talking about like the previous franchise, like I think at one point she was just like at a cocktail party and like jumped in on a motorcycle.


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[Assistant] You're exploring your female Indiana Jones. You should embrace that.


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[Assistant] Not making fun. That's alright. No, no, uhm, I was actually going back to the story about the question, like,


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[Assistant] I've always heard different, like, different sides of game development. It's always very fascinating, especially to us, like, kinda look behind the curtain, but like, when it comes to a new game like this, are you guys writing the story and working on the gameplay and everything in tandem, or does one take precedence over the other?


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's the thing I really liked about the original Terminator, like as much as, you know, it is a video game and it is fun and there are parts of it that will feel supernatural, it did always have like a sense of being grounded. Sure. It never really felt too cartoony, but like at the same time, like, at the end of the day, it looks like you guys realize, yes, it's a video game and it needs to be fun, and fun is important, and it is a fun game.


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[Assistant] Uh, Shaun of the Dead. Yeah. There's a scene I remember, it was kind of cool, it was like, it was, when I saw that video games were like kind of a, you know, definitely a part of pop culture, but there's a part where one of the characters is going through depression, and he's just letting Lara Croft drown. And like one of the guys walks in, he's like, she's drowning, he's like, I know.


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[Assistant] I always, uh, one of the things, this isn't really much of a question, but more of a praise, but uhm, I remember the cover system was one of the things that, it was the first thing that got my attention, a friend of mine did a review, and they were like going crazy about the cover system, like, I'll give it a try, and like,


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[Assistant] Was that based on just kinda like watching people play the previous game and looking at player behavior or was it just something that maybe that was something you guys wanted to do in the previous game and you just didn't have time to get in there?


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[Assistant] I was going back to the previous game and something that looks like it's definitely apparent here is the uhm, I like the pacing of Tomb Raider is one of those things that I really like that it was like, there was a nice balance of puzzles and combat. It actually felt like, I don't remember really what the balance was, maybe it was 50-50, but it always felt really well paced and like, I never really felt like I was just gunning people down for hours at a time, like, I don't know.


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[Assistant] I imagine that has to be kind of the challenge. You're going, having a, it's not exactly an open world game, but it was sort of like, the first one was like kind of this hybrid, but had like a pseudo hub world and then you like kind of moved around. But then guiding a player in a somewhat linear fashion of like, you need to move down this path if you want to progress in the game. I imagine with that and the puzzles and everything else, and then also having a progression system.


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[Assistant] Uh, it's like, it seems like the game has a lot that just keeps people going. I guess that's what you were talking about earlier with the completion rate.


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[Assistant] Well, uhm, I, and I know this one's, uh, for, it's, uh, Xbox One exclusive, but, uhm, you guys did a really- 360 as well. Oh, uh, uhm, well the, uh, the other thing I know you guys did a really good job of, uh, re-releasing the game, uhm, it was last year or the year before? Yea, the definitive edition. Yea, but it was good, like, if you missed it out on PC, like, if you want anything kind of similar to that experience, I think the PS4 and the Xbox One editions were...


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[Assistant] Name six more Angry Birds games. It's Angry Birds Space. Yeah, Angry Birds Star Wars.


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[Assistant] Years of negotiations, uh, of talks about this that started way back when or whatever. And then there's probably stock involved and other options and like, they probably have to meet certain goals, whether that, uhm, uh, uhm,


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[Assistant] Acquisition goes through, similar with the Maker thing and Disney. Like it, there's so many different factors involved, but...


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[Assistant] It's just, it's easier a lot of times to have the black and white story. I was talking to someone about this at the Dudesoup Live thing. Someone was saying, oh I appreciate the way you guys do your shows because you try to be more even handed. And I was like, oh thank you, as I stroke my own penis as we talk about this.


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[Assistant] If you, if you wanna look at like the bare bones, so, sorry everyone goes, John Willis Booth killed him because he was mad. The end. You're like,


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[Assistant] I'm, I'm, I'm just saying, like, if you were to ask someone to tell the story, like, John Wilkes Smith was mad, so he shot President, end of story. They got the bad guy, and it's like, dude, no, not at all, like, there's a whole lot of grey in between, it's not just black and white.


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[Assistant] You're just, you're just wrong. Another example I was looking at this morning, so the other story, the Warcraft story was that uhm, they're saying like uhm, like World of Warcraft is down to only 5.5 million subscribers. I was like,


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[Assistant] Blizzard, they deserve whatever they get. It's like, they're making money on Hearthstone. Overwatch came out and we've played it and it's probably one of the most addicting games we've ever played. I have my wallet out ready now to give them money. I'm like, they're fine. Like they did, remember you gave me the number for Diablo? It's like something ridiculous.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, no, that's the thing, like, uhm, I do get, like, Amazon's pretty smart about it. They'll send me things like, hey, you, like, kinda browse this dildo for a little bit, like, are you interested in RoboCop on Blu-rays? 20-gallon drum of lube.


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[Assistant] I forgot what it was, it was like, I think it was, it was Bruce or like Ricky and Elliot or whatever, they got like, they got a shitload of like, parody porn and I remember it was really sad because it was just like, Seinfeld.


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[Assistant] Take that up with YouTube and the YouTube watching audience. We're essentially pornographers.


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[Assistant] I need to find a better way of saying this, but like, we are essentially in the business of creating pornography for children.


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[Assistant] So I was thinking more of like, uh, there's an episode of 30 Rock where Cabletown are ever trying to make pornography for women. Because they're like, women don't want to see nudes, they just want like someone who'll sit there and listen to them. Once again, that's not me saying that, that was the episode. Uhm, so take it up with them. And it's like, there's a channel where there's just a guy being like, how was your day?


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[Assistant] Maybe that's the sort of thing like, like, what Halo's doing, where they're just, I mean, they basically have people making their own maps with Forge. Yeah. Uhm, and they're, they found a new way of making money with DLC and it's just opening crates. Uhm, so maybe, uh, that means they're gonna be done charging for map packs? Well, so here's, here are the bullet points.


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[Assistant] What's that? Everything has changed? I guess. I said the game has changed.


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[Assistant] It was hot in that place though. We went to, they had like a house in like, kinda nearest and like, it was just warm. It was really fuckin' warm. It's a party, man.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Thanks everybody! It's not an interview either, it's a review.


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[Assistant] Damn. Before mystery men. Oh, oh. MMM.


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[Assistant] BMMM. Wait, it was negative though, so it'd just be 5B. I didn't get a lot of sleep last night, so I'm just- I'm gonna be tired.


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[Assistant] Click on your library and install it. It's prepurchased. What are we talking about?


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[Assistant] So, the reason why I picked Snowcraft, it's a game that I remember like, I played this in high school.


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[Assistant] Oh, that's fine. So, well, this is another thing too. So, we're looking at random images. This is, uh, I believe Crave Online. I, I always enjoyed blogs where they'd be like, random image, and then, uh, story.