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[Assistant] So when I'm watching Muay Thai now, and it's like a highlight, we get upset even looking at golden age fights where like they blend one and two together, and you're like, well how did you get here? Like three is exciting, but now how did you get here?


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[Assistant] When you actually get to see the narrative progress, that's how we consume it.


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[Assistant] We're like, oh my god, this is so exciting. Whereas other people, because of the way that their eyes work, because of the way they've consumed this before, they're like, get to the...


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[Assistant] Do you know what I mean? We, we eat this incredibly good soup. It's like the best chicken soup you'll ever eat in your life. And it's, in Thai it's called ban gai. It means like a house chicken. And it means that it's a whole chicken that's been chopped up and put in the soup and stewed in there. So you have bones and all these different things.


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[Assistant] Someone would take that to America, people don't want to put bones in their mouths and so they have like a nicely sliced chicken breast put in the soup and you're like that isn't...


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[Assistant] Totally, your whole like, packaging, processing thing totally fits with the way that we consume th- I can't butcher a chicken, I have no fucking idea what it's like, I peel the cellophane off and I'm good to go, but like, I have no idea how to- I watched my mom do it when I was a kid, like, cutting between bones, but I can't do it. It's generationally been...


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[Assistant] Backlash or like a countercurrent? Oh yeaah, totally. Right? So like I think that the people who


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[Assistant] Get way into the library, we get incredible feedback and comments from people who are like, I have actually learned more from the Muay Thai library than I have six years at my gym. They're very different.


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[Assistant] Not only that, but there are different pedagogies, there are different contexts, there are different experiences. Like, the thing that really struck me about Master K, my first trainer in America, just upon meeting him, is I'm like, he's forgotten more about Muay Thai than it would take me 20 years to learn. Like, this kind of steeped


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[Assistant] In experience that like, when I go and I train with a legend and I'm learning from them


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[Assistant] From something. It wasn't a like, he taught me and so I do it exactly like this.


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[Assistant] I think it's important to point out the size difference is incredible. These are not huge people.


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[Assistant] End of his career where he's claiming what, like 500 fights or something? So out of that, it's like not even a percentage.


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[Assistant] There's a, there's a little line in the, uhm,


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[Assistant] Bhagavad Gita, I think, that says you are entitled to hard work, you are not entitled to the fruits of it.


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[Assistant] And so I think that there's this thing about fairness, which is that it is incredibly honorable to be a purveyor of fairness, to like outwardly treat things with fairness.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the way you interact with people, or like, I'm not taking advantage of you. Let's make this very fair. Like, I'm, I'll be fair about this situation. That's very honorable.


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[Assistant] In the same way that you're like not entitled to the fairness that you try to put out in the world, believing that the world is fair is not a positive experience. Cause it's not. The world is not fair.


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[Assistant] If I fought someone my own size, which I very very rarely have, but when I do, I'm like, I can see that was not fair.


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[Assistant] And so, by taking a disadvantage of weight, significant size.


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[Assistant] they could not cut weight my walking weight. You're


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[Assistant] It is on its surface and in its expression and in the way that all the people who are in charge of you act like it being like, this is not fair, this is not having any kind of power, whatever, blah blah blah.


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[Assistant] It's an, one, it's intended to be a balancing thing.


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[Assistant] Usually, especially if there's like gambling, it's meant to be a balancing thing, like making it fair.


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[Assistant] But that's not often the case with me because it's like, we have to keep pushing up to find someone who will fight someone to fight Sylvie rather than the like.


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[Assistant] Six kilos would be the same as eight kilos, but it's the eight kilos kind of thing. My point being, when something is thought of as a disadvantage, it feels like a disadvantage. Even if it's not.


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[Assistant] I feel like I'm being taken advantage of and it feels shitty cause it's all the time. It's every single time. And so it's like, I feel like-


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[Assistant] I am agreeing to these imbalances.


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[Assistant] If your boss is like, come in on Saturday, you could say no, and you come in on Saturday anyway, and even though you chose to come in on Saturday, you feel shitty, you feel like you don't have any standing or status in your company. Like it's, I feel like all of the signals in Thai culture that show that you have


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[Assistant] Climbed to some level of achievement or something, or being able to be like, you come up, you come down, I control this, I say no to this, I say yes to that. We say yes to everything.


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[Assistant] There's a very different, I don't know if it would be ethical or something, but like,


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[Assistant] In western culture, if you see a big dude kinda picking on a small guy, you're like, what a dick.


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[Assistant] In many Asian cultures, definitely in Thai culture, they're like, the big guy must be the boss.


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[Assistant] By behaving that way, he has authority, rather than like, you don't do that to people. There's this like, kind of...


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[Assistant] So gamblers loved him because they could see that, but the like, hierarchy of like, who has rank didn't.


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[Assistant] I love that he thinks of me as like, you've earned this, you're at this point now, you should behave like this.


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[Assistant] And I'm like, I love that you think that about me and I love you, but I don't want to run to retire. I'm not like rushing to retire.


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[Assistant] Like, so amazing. We were in the truck on the way back from a fight one time, and he was talking about like, the way that a small town fighter gets to Bangkok. And he was like...


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[Assistant] He had this whole calculation that I swear could have changed every time he said it, but he's like, no, you, you win two and then you lose one.


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[Assistant] And then you win three, and then you go to Bangkok, and then you come back, and then you lose again. It's this whole like, how you work your way up kind of thing. And it's, this is, this is like the story of how Karahat becomes Karahat. How Diesel Noy made it to the point where he then was undefeated for four years.


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[Assistant] No respect. Yes, but ties do love the small tie beating the big ferong. I love that.


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[Assistant] He's like, I liked fighting this other way, but I was like, really hard, and so they were like, you be this. And it's like, I guess it's kinda like being typecast as an actor, you know? Like, you have to play the dumb blonde all the time, or you have to like, only be in action movies, and you're like, nah, I really like, love...


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[Assistant] It's kind of like this, where it's like, I don't know what I actually could have been if I had been put in a more traditional fighter path of like, weight by weight matches kind of thing.


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[Assistant] I'm just talking about a traditional fight, even in the West, like you, you do not take weight disadvantages all the time, like it's not something that people do. Jong-Seon-Hwan being forced to be this, like, plowing forward, taking all of this damage, whereas he's like, I would love to block, like, uh, it's...


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[Assistant] You be- you're shaped by and faded by like whatever your style and your abilities like the fact that I could beat someone bigger made gamblers like me.


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[Assistant] It shaped who the promoters then wanted to put in front of me. Then people my size, there are a few of, and didn't want to fight me, and so it was like, Karahat told this too. Karahat's like, there were people my weight.


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[Assistant] Or who were even a little bit bigger than me, but if they could lose to me, they wouldn't fight me, so I had to take someone even bigger, like even better kind of thing.


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[Assistant] There's another fallacy in the same way that, like, you should not believe the world is fair because it's not. You should not believe that people know what you go through or what you are behind the scenes when what you present is one way. People don't pay that close attention to you, ever. I've been in Patia's...


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[Assistant] Seven, we're coming on seven years now that we moved down here. There's a Moisayan reporter. I like him very much.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so he reports for this region, which is the like central eastern region of Thailand. So he's been reporting on me for seven years.


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[Assistant] He knows about me, he's been to many of my fights that were in Patia, he hasn't been to the other ones, so uhm, we've known each other for a really long time.


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[Assistant] He also reports on the other female fighters from and around Patia, so Stamp, Fairtex, Yodcherry, uh, Star, people like this.


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[Assistant] We were at an event together on Sunday and we were just chatting, like just totally casual chatting and I was asked what weight.


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[Assistant] Uhm, what weight I am now and I answered what my actual walking around weight is.


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[Assistant] And the guy who asked me- Which was what? 46, 47? I'm like 46, 47. I'm a little bit bigger than I was before we shut down again for COVID.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and the guy was like, no, no, no, not your fight weight, what you walk around at. And I'm like, that's both my fight weight and my walking around weight, because I fight at my walking around weight. I'm like, if I cut, like the last time I cut for a fight, it was 44.


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[Assistant] Journalist, the writer, his eyes bugged out and he goes, you weren't cutting for those fights that I watched you at Tepisit? And I was like, no, almost never. I've been 46, 47 for years.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but it's also like when you look at a program, they put the weight of my opponent. They don't put my weight. They don't put the like difference in weight.


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[Assistant] Well, or their, or their gym does. Like there are some, uh, very, very famous Ferong fighters who...


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[Assistant] This is a thing, is that there is like a way of thinking that is very, very hard to change that way of thinking. Westerners have it, Thais have it, they often don't match.


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[Assistant] There's also like, once you add money, like once you add a dermpon side bet or something like this, the whole like, can Sylvie fight this person changes. Yodkunpon knows me, he spars with me every single day.


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[Assistant] He's bigger than me. He's better than me. And I throw him around sometimes. He feels it. And sometimes he's just like, oh my god. He has watched tape after tape after tape of me taking on opponents who outweigh me by 6 to 8 kilos. This is like 15 pounds. These people are...


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[Assistant] And there's like a darn pond, he's like, no more than two kilos. Like, it's all of a sudden, like, we don't want.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, people give a lot of credit to Tyson for being small for the heavyweight class. He wasn't that small.


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[Assistant] That's why, that's why I brought up Jongson on is that like, I have been shaped by the fact that you cannot do some stuff against people that much bigger than you. Like you simply, it simply can't work like that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's very weird. I've had that, I've had very few experiences fighting people my actual size.


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[Assistant] I lift heavy weights all the time. Like I, I don't actually mean weightlifting, but like I'm moving huge people all the time. The angles are all like...


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[Assistant] I do try to learn how not to muscle things, like how to use timing so that I can preserve this and all this stuff, but it's totally that scene in Spider-Man where he doesn't know he has his spidey abilities yet and he like rips the handle off the bathroom door trying to open it. It's like when I go against someone my actual size, I'm not used to picking up


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[Assistant] 5 pounds, I'm used to picking up 40 pounds, and so it's just kinda like, woah, I kinda can't, like everything's very odd. Uhm.


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[Assistant] The thing that you have to do mentally that's like, okay, this is not gonna work in the first couple of rounds, but it will work in the fourth and fifth round. So like, just keep pushing on it, make them tired early, like you have to kind of plan for an entire fight.


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[Assistant] It's so normal to me, like I don't have the like, what an odd experience to fight someone this much bigger. It's like, it's always like that.


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[Assistant] Not always, because again, I'm like, I'm like, oh, this is like similar, but it's sometimes when I'll see a photo afterwards or like I'll look at the video to do the voiceover and I'm like, Jesus, like you can see the size difference there that I wasn't as aware of.


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[Assistant] Uhm, there's also a, like, when I was, uhm, when I had clinching partners at Petrong Rung, they were quite big for some time, so like, I never fought someone that big. Like, my opponents were smaller than the people I was training with, and so I was like, ah, not so bad, you know, but it's like,


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[Assistant] 70 kilos versus like 56 kilos or whatever. Uhm, yeaah, it's, I don't know.


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[Assistant] I can't, honestly, I can't even think of someone who I'm like, I think I could do better against them now. Like, I'm sure I could do better against almost anyone I've fought now, but...


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[Assistant] Uhm, they put together rankings, which is nice. It's a step forward in terms of like actually organizing women and keeping like a female fighter even list. Uhm, it's not...


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[Assistant] Gulag Dahm did not come out of the corner for round four in our fight.


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[Assistant] There's a little bit of that too, so, so my whole like, if I could beat them is like, it's context, you know, people have like good days and bad days, like I've, I've beat Tanantranok, I've lost to her way more than I've beat her, like it's, uhm, I'm not-


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[Assistant] I, I will say that one thing that we both like, but that I like very much about DongKongFa is that like, her rematch game is strong. If she beats you, she will beat you fucking hard the second time.


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[Assistant] Yes, she was the first female fighter signed in a long time.


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[Assistant] She used to be much bigger than she is now. She was like 10 kilos more than she was now. So when she first came, she was this like big kind of...


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[Assistant] We've been talking about success in Thailand being this, like, you command big purses, you fight less, you have all the power to say this, that, and the other thing, like,


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[Assistant] That was when she beat Alicia for the uhm, Thailand belt.


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[Assistant] To put on a show because she is very entertaining to watch.


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[Assistant] Before she ever came to Fairtex, it was like the first couple of years we were in Pathia.


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[Assistant] We went up on our own, this is how we do it, we like try to find a corner when we're there. The way they do fights in Asan is like they have a list of like 27 or 30 fights and they like mixtape it, they like DJ it. So even if you're like sixth on the card, that does not mean you're fighting sixth, they just go by what would be exciting for gamblers at that point.


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[Assistant] We're like, can you help me? Sure. In Karat, we tend to have this, uhm, military guy that like comes and helps. So he's in my corner or whatever, and it's like, starting of round two, and all of a sudden, Dongkong Fa has just climbed up on the ring and is like yelling at me what I should do. Wasn't she in the ring? She got in and was like putting water on me, like she totally took on the like, corner duties, the like, worker corner duties, and she's like,


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[Assistant] After the fight, which I won, she comes over, she's, I think it was near Sankran, she was wearing this like, kind of Hawaiian shirt.


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[Assistant] She comes over and she's like, we should fight some time, not for a drum-pon, just for fun! And I'm like...


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[Assistant] Like 19? Oh, yeaah yeaah yeaah. She's, I think she's 19.


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[Assistant] Watching on YouTube, this scenery is for you. Kevin came up with us doing this outside. Outside. For you guys.


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[Assistant] Uh, because of COVID, there's no fights. Uhm, anyone who knows what my process has been, I fight a fucking lot.


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[Assistant] I fight a lot, uh, and so to take that part out of what I do and what my process is is really significant, but Kevin is very intuitive and very smart and straight away realizing like, let's aim for, we don't know when fights are gonna come back, so let's use this time to basically


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[Assistant] Put Sylvie under some serious construction that could never happen when fights are happening.


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[Assistant] Like when you break up with your boyfriend, you're like, I'm gonna work on myself.


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[Assistant] I'm very enthused about it. We've talked, when Kevin and I do these


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[Assistant] So, sparring is something that, for the eight years...


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[Assistant] And actually when I was in America too, because of the way that I trained, I have never been able to get consistent... barring.


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[Assistant] Well, here's something that people who don't have my particular experience might not understand.


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[Assistant] For years when I was at Lana, up in Chiang Mai.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I was fighting very frequently, like every 10 or 11 days.


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[Assistant] My trainers would say you don't need to spar because you fight so much. So like fighting was getting the experience that you would be getting with sparring.


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[Assistant] People in the west who don't have the fight opportunities that we have here in Thailand where you go 6 months between fights or something. Or more. You get your experience through sparring. Right.


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[Assistant] Right, right. And there's also this, if you're fighting every week, when are you gonna spar? Cause their ties love to take time off after a fight, before a fight, whatever.


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[Assistant] I wasn't doing that, but I was basically outside of everything that they're like, this is how this goes, so to be like, I want sparring, they're like, this doesn't make sense.


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[Assistant] So I was trying to get experience fighting a lot the way that people who are basically on their way out of fighting are like, I only fight, I don't really train between, but I'm like training in between, like I'm basically collapsing the bookends.


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[Assistant] What's weird about me is that I have 264 fights.


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[Assistant] And I suck at sparring, like I'm very-


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[Assistant] I did not like sparring because I was bad at it.


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[Assistant] But the thing is that like when you have


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[Assistant] Hard sparring in a gym, which for folks who only ever listen to other Westerners, there is hard sparring in Thailand. It's not all technical, all light, all the time. There is a...


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[Assistant] Lether of different ways of sparring in Thailand. There is hard sparring, and when you do hard sparring,


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[Assistant] It is meant to mimic all of the pressures around a fight to acclimate younger fighters to that pressure.


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[Assistant] I didn't get that, like I didn't get that kind of acclimation, so I'm super tense, I'm super like unplayful, like unable to experiment with things.


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[Assistant] When Thais talk about the best fighters, or even in commentary on fights, Da Di means like good eyes.


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[Assistant] And it means being able to see. They talk about Samart, Chamoukpet, like people who can like see what you're doing.


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[Assistant] Well, what's cool is I can feel that. Like, I always compare it to Quicksilver, where like,


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[Assistant] Uhm, is that it, it feels like that when I'm sparring and all of a sudden I just see something, like I'm getting hit in the face and I'm like, block, block, opening. Like, you just see it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well that's also something that like, people who are watching me, including you,


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[Assistant] Trainers who have been frustrated by me for a very long time, all of a sudden I'm doing things that they're like,


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[Assistant] And it's- I know these things, I just don't have the- I haven't been able to like-


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[Assistant] Play, I haven't been able to go into an open field and kind of like mess with it.


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[Assistant] Many years ago, Kevin and I were watching, uh,


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[Assistant] And what I said when, I think I actually missed it and only saw it on the replay, but I was like, you can tell he does that all day.


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[Assistant] Where the fuck did Sylvie's femur thing come from? Like I'm femur-ing around the ring.


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[Assistant] Well, there are so many reasons that it's exhausting. It's exhausting because I have tension, and so I'm just like tense for half an hour, which is physically exhausting.


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[Assistant] Physically exhausting because it's 6 rounds, it's 30 minutes, it's very real power.


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[Assistant] That's with Yodkunpon, but even with Nan, who is heavier than me, but short, less experienced, all these things, like...


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[Assistant] It's not a like, oh, I'm totally untense and relaxed all the time with these things.


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[Assistant] It's emotionally exhausting, it's mentally exhausting, it's incredibly rewarding too, like it's not all just bad, like I- I get-


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[Assistant] I surprise myself, I get excited about something that I was doing, but it's just like...


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[Assistant] It's like how I talk about when you're training in Thailand in


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[Assistant] A two hour training session so much happens that it's incredible. It's like, oh.


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[Assistant] Upset about this, getting angry, being like calm down. It's just, it's, uh...


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[Assistant] Given, given that things are starting to slow down, it's very, like, high-paced, like, frenetic for my mind.


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[Assistant] You can also experience that in sparring with different partners, which is like,


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[Assistant] You're doing that to me, versus I'm doing that.


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[Assistant] My opponent is like, hitting an opening over and over and over again.


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[Assistant] And instead of like being calm and being like, okay, let's just close that window because the rain's coming in. It's like, you're doing this to me. But that's not true. My frustration is coming from me. It's got fucking nothing to do with that opening being hit. It's got to do with my feelings about that opening being hit and I can control


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[Assistant] That feeling, but instead it's like I have to make you stop making me feel that way and it's like no, I stop feeling that way and then I make you stop hitting it.


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[Assistant] And it's like this very trudging process of like, un-teasing all of those...


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[Assistant] Nodded Christmas light emotions and physical feelings, like they're...


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[Assistant] Yodkun Ponsu Trikoum is, his alias was the elbow hunter of a hundred stitches, which is fucking most badass.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but he is the greatest elbow fighter ever. Bar none. Uhm, and he lives next door to the gym.


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[Assistant] And, uh, he's amazing, he's very sweet, he's in the Muay Thai library, uhm, for patrons who want to watch him. He's also on demand in the Sylvie study, uhm, intensives. He just, he's not...


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[Assistant] He's not like anybody else. He has a very distinctive style, uhm, and he thinks a lot about what


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[Assistant] I am or what's working or what's not working like he stops and thinks about something. And it was actually a little bit difficult when we first started.


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[Assistant] Uh, this process of, of just wanting to spar with him. He's not that much bigger than me, which is really good, and he's good moi, so he has control.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I'm never afraid he's gonna hurt me. He has very good control. But he fucking puts it on. Like, even though it's not physical pain, it is scary as shit. BIG MEN.


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[Assistant] Big men, like 70 kilo men, which is considerably bigger than Yoad Konpani's, what, like 54 maybe?


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[Assistant] They're like, he scares me. Like he's, I don't, I have to like get away from him. Carol's like 60 kilos and she's like, it's a lot.


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[Assistant] But even when we first started, we had to make it very clear, we're like, no teaching, not because he doesn't have anything to offer.


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[Assistant] Stop, stop, stop all the time. It's like, let's not do that, like, slow. So,


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[Assistant] He's amazing and he's so sweet and I trust him and so that trust allows me to go through some...


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[Assistant] It's, I can't even identify every piece of it.


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[Assistant] The word is overwhelmed. I am overwhelmed. It's like waves crashing on you and you can gasp for air sometimes and you know that it's enough air.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and the waves fuckin' pulling on you, like there's an undertow rather than it just being like, let's find the rhythm of the laughing.


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[Assistant] It's interesting you bring up Jujitsu because there's this amazing movie, Red Belt.


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[Assistant] Is when this woman, uh, wants to take some kind of


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[Assistant] Class for self-defense because she's experienced violence and he, the teacher is explaining to her.


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[Assistant] Like, where her highest anxiety is, is just don't stand there.


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[Assistant] The hard thing about Yodkunpon is that it's the inverse of that.


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[Assistant] Where if you're this close, he's fucking all over you, and if you're that far away, he's kicking the shit out of you. So basically, don't stand anywhere except...


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[Assistant] How do I stay here and also, like, do amazing things, but it's...


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[Assistant] Well, he's incredible in that the first time I ever worked with him, and you can watch this in the Muay Thai library, the first entry with Yod Kun Phan, he showed me his, like,


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[Assistant] Stepping, he's southpaw, he does this like, stepping elbow to your front side, that I had never experienced how like,


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[Assistant] All the fear, like all of it, even though I knew he wasn't gonna hit me, was in this like millimeter of space.


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[Assistant] And I take that millimeter away all the time because I'm nervous, because I'm polite, because of whatever. And then the next time we worked together, I had closed that millimeter of space and he was like,


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[Assistant] That was too close. Like, he didn't, he felt it. The amazing thing about Yod Kumpon is that when you steal from him,


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[Assistant] It's those little millimeters, and I can tell that he is legitimately like, I cannot get away from you, or like, that was too close, or that would have knocked me out.


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[Assistant] So that's sparring with Yodkunpon, and then I'm also sparring with other people, so I have this like, range of every morning going through this.


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[Assistant] incredibly hard, emotionally, physically difficult experience that I'm like, I don't even know how to


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[Assistant] Describe this, or if I would need to, I don't know how common it is for other people, but sometimes when you go through something really intense and you like throw yourself into it and you like gut yourself to be able to draw everything that you need to be able to get through it, and then when it's done, you're emotionally raw.


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[Assistant] It's very hard, and we're working on this like, have pride all the time, and then on top of it, he's like,


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[Assistant] Karahat's like that too, the two of them have this little like, oh, I see you got that down.


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[Assistant] This is, this is what I, like, Kevin and I had an argument this morning because


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[Assistant] Yoku-pon was just incredibly positive, and I was like...


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[Assistant] Regurgitating all of the things that I felt I hadn't done right or that I have problems with or whatever this thing is.


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[Assistant] And Kevin's like, wouldn't it be so great if two people were talking about how great you are instead of one person and you arguing against them kind of thing? Is that...


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[Assistant] One thing that Yokunpon says to me, I have a hard time. I have a very hard time accepting.


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[Assistant] Compliments, or positive, whatever.


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[Assistant] It's just, it's a thing. A lot of people have it. And it's something to work on. I'm not defending it. But, when he says something like,


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[Assistant] This morning, he was talking about, he's, he started grabbing me a lot, like on our first day, he kind of like, was just doing a lot of other stuff, and then day two, he came so hard and he just starts grabbing me. I'm a clinch fighter, I grab all the time, and he's forcing me to like, be the one who's like, disengage, reengage, disengage, reengage. He's like, I don't give you anything easy.


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[Assistant] There's no part of me that's like, he let me do that. Other than that trip that drives me crazy, the like getting out of the clinch thing, I feel like he let me do that when he's showing it to me. Sometimes.


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[Assistant] But when he's like, I don't give it for you, easy.


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[Assistant] I believe that I fucking earned every time that he's like...


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[Assistant] Well, this is, I remember, I remember us talking about this on the balcony. So this is in a Muay Thai Bones podcast where we were talking about the, uhm, UFC fight that we had to watch zoomed in.


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[Assistant] So really you're watching a fight of space, like who's winning the space, and that is real Muay Thai, like that's high level Muay Thai is the battle over space.


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[Assistant] And so he's feeling that and talking about that and inspiring.


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[Assistant] I don't know if it's true, but I read it in a book about how baby giraffes get kicked down by their mothers to force them to learn to stand really fast because it's dangerous, on the vells it's dangerous. So the baby giraffe will stand up


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[Assistant] So it figures out how to stand up and the mother giraffe will kick it down to be like, do it again. Like figure out how to do it faster.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it feels like that, where it's like, it's not the like, mama duck, we go this way and like, find your way to swim behind. Totally. It's like, do that, bop, do it when it's harder.


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[Assistant] It is very fast progression, like uhm, I'm different every day.


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[Assistant] Yeah, my tie was like that, honestly. Like, it was like cumbersome and difficult to communicate all the time. And then all of a sudden it was like, I was talking on the phone to a promoter.


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[Assistant] It's like gestalt, it's like your, your physical, physicality, it's your, your body or your image.


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[Assistant] Fighting someone or, I think it was Kat Zingano had this beautiful quote.


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[Assistant] Is that you can look awesome with your pad man or against a bag because brick not hit back kind of situation is that


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[Assistant] Trying to pull yourself out of that sand pile and keep your form, like Sandman cannot keep his form, cause he's not


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[Assistant] If you can crumple someone's roof, so if you knee someone and they stay kind of upright, it's like that didn't have great impact, but you knee someone and they kind of like, buckle? Uhm.


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[Assistant] That's that, like, I affected your root. And so you're constantly trying to maintain your root.


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[Assistant] And something that Diesel Noise spends a lot of energy trying to teach people is to at every single moment


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[Assistant] Maintain your roof. It's not just like, okay, that was a three minute round, now it's break and I can go slump in my chair in the corner and let people pour water on me. It's like you have dignity at every second. Like you never let your opponent see a piece of sand out of place.


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[Assistant] There's a very funny Thai commercial that's for like a...


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[Assistant] That's what we do and we think it's not that extreme when like we just made it through a round and then we're like, oh, I'm going to show how much exertion I just put out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's an extreme example of how people put their hands on their hips or like lean over the ropes or like let out their sigh or whatever the thing is. That's obnoxious and that's just like...


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[Assistant] Like, uh, that person like can't keep their thing together because it seems really big.


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[Assistant] Equally big, and it's something that I'm learning very fast with Yodkunpon.


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[Assistant] I do this all the time. I land something good, take a step back and let my shoulders slump.


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[Assistant] I'm that chick in the elevator letting it hang out without the doors even closing.


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[Assistant] And it's like, it's not small. Like, Diesel Noi, who has taught me so much.


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[Assistant] It's something that you have to divorce in your head from this western concept that I know I have, which is that you have this like,


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[Assistant] So like, if you have dignity at every second, it's not a like, ah man, I finally get to take.


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[Assistant] The Batman mascot. It's like, no, you are, you are Batman. Like, all the time.


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[Assistant] It is being in a male space, it is being in, uh, there are so many elements that go into it that's not me.


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[Assistant] But it is also me, which is that I am a little scorpion who likes the dark corner. Like, I don't want to be noticed. I'm very, like, don't pay attention to me. Like, kind of, I like being invisible. Uhm, but you can be invisible with dignity.


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[Assistant] Like, you can, Rambah is a good example of this, Rambah's got this like puffed chest thing that he does. And he turns it on, like it's kind of his like hammy, like superhero thing.


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[Assistant] But it's real, like, it's very much him. You can, you can be the little mighty mouse struttin' around without it being like, look at me, look at me, look at me.


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[Assistant] Interestingly, and I had not thought of this until just now, Kevin and I call it, it's like, putting my shoulders up is like a dog having its tail up.


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[Assistant] I think it's Cesar Millan or someone has like a con- I think his wife made a contraption that actually forces a dog's tail up so that when you're, uhm, like, what is the word?


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[Assistant] And so I'm like, tail up, tail down. Tail up, tail tucked. Like all this stuff that's like, keep that tail up. Uhm.


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[Assistant] And I wouldn't have thought of it until just now, but it is as difficult and as ch-


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[Assistant] Not rewarding, but like, significant of a change, as my eye contact thing was. I could not maintain eye contact.


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[Assistant] For a second, in sparring or in pad work or whatever.


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[Assistant] And then I noticed that by forcing myself to do it, it changed everything.


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[Assistant] It's the same thing when you walk around a space and you won't meet anyone's eyes, and then you walk around and you're like looking at everybody, they respond differently to you too.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and for, for people who maybe are not immediately connecting with this concept.


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[Assistant] I used to, I used to write down in my journal how I wanted to enter the stadium for a fight. It was part of my mental preparation for a fight.


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[Assistant] And I'd be like, walk like Karahat. Like, lead with your chest like Karahat. And every time I did that, walking into a fight, I won. Every single time, like, going away, really, really good performance.


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[Assistant] Uhm, for people who do not immediately connect to this with keeping your shoulders up or your posture or your root, you're not being a dick. Like, you're not, like, uh, planet-fitnessing around, like,


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[Assistant] But it's kinda like, we see these dogs on the side of the road sometimes when we're like driving across Thailand. It's like a stretch of nothing. Like there's nothing around. And they're like doing that.


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[Assistant] You know that certain pace a dog has when it's like doing something? And we just laugh, we're like...


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[Assistant] How do I describe the process? It's a, it's a little bit like, uh, if we're gonna take Thor's hammer thing.


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[Assistant] Is, if you're gonna like, go into a fight, you're like, where's my power?


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[Assistant] It's in the hammer, like, you're gonna wield that hammer, and so it's like, it's here.


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[Assistant] Every little detail. And it's a little bit of a...


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[Assistant] Disadvantage that I know as much as I do.


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[Assistant] Because then I have all these things to diagnose.


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[Assistant] Chai does it this way, but Kumpan does it that way, and blah blah blah, like all this different stuff, and it's not what people think where they're like, don't you get confused, like I'm not confused about how techniques work, you can alternate between them.


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[Assistant] It's like how, uh, Nabokov will just suddenly choose a word in French that he likes much better than the English one that he was gonna use and then go to Russian. It's like that. It's cool. Like, beautiful. Uhm, but.


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[Assistant] Overdiagnosing everything, you actually can't feel anything. So when I was like, all I have to do is


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[Assistant] Put my shoulders on the hanger, which is the way that Char Chai described it to me, where he's like, it's like you put your shoulders on a clothes hanger and then everything else is loose, like it's not this overall tension.


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[Assistant] And I can feel that. I'm like, visually I can feel that. Once I was like, just keep the power in the shoulders.


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[Assistant] Everything became aligned. It's like it just snapped into place. And so I didn't have to be like, where's my foot going? Where's my whatever? It's like I had this like,


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[Assistant] That kick was good, but this one wasn't, and I kinda know what it was, but not really, whereas it's like, just think there, and then wop, like the whole thing kinda snaps into place.


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[Assistant] But it's also like you just focus on one thing.


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[Assistant] It's got something to focus on, instead of like, whatever.


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[Assistant] And I'm getting fucking left kicked 80 million times and I try the nine different things I can do to solve that and I get frustrated nine times instead being like get kicked but have roots.


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[Assistant] And all of a sudden I'm like blasting him in the face. It's like I didn't choose to blast him in the face. That came out of just focus on the one thing.


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[Assistant] There- oh, there's something in my- I listened to very old mental training.


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[Assistant] It's very old, it's from the 80s, and part of what I love about it is the guy has this like super strong New Jersey accent, but I call it my books on tape because...


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[Assistant] Not actually a tape, but it's very old. He has this thing where he's talking about how if you give people a challenge of throwing


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[Assistant] People get it like 90% of the time and he's like, what you really want to do with your brain is you have these, all these markers and you leave the rubber band on it and you throw it in the air and you catch all of them. It's learning how to put a rubber band.


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[Assistant] around all the things that you wanna do. And that's what I feel like that is, is it puts a rubber band around instead of like, try to catch ten.


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[Assistant] Uh, my first day of sparring with Yodkun Pond.


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[Assistant] Who has trained with Gokunpon, who loves me, who understands me and understands my...


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[Assistant] Flaws and difficulties and all this thing. We have many similarities in these senses.


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[Assistant] She was like, can I watch your first training? And I was like, sure.


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[Assistant] And I came out of it being like, I was fucking terrible. Like, like that was horrible.


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[Assistant] Hearts in her eyes, like, you are incredible, and it's like, they're-


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[Assistant] The correct thing is, is in the middle. But what my vlog was about today was like, I'm trying to learn how to feel things.


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[Assistant] And trust feelings, and I wanna feel good about the things that I'm doing, and you don't have to win all the time, you don't have to get it right all the time to feel good. You should feel good about, uhm, things that, that...


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[Assistant] Sing, like, you can be self-critical, but you cannot go out and sing like Freddie Mercury if you think...


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[Assistant] He's on Reddit now. Charles- John Charles Skarbowski. And Kevin was asking him, like, do you ever feel like you're overshadowed by everyone knowing Decker? Like, Decker was the greatest, cause Skarbowski was pretty awesome.


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[Assistant] You don't wanna push yourself into inauthenticity because then you're hiding under your...


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[Assistant] Feeling of inauthenticity, but there is something real that you can find in that experience. Like my shoulders.


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[Assistant] Which is like, instead of, I'm so great I can...


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[Assistant] Get Yodkunpon off of me when he's in his fucking like trailer hitch mode. Instead, I'm like, I can absolutely endure this with my shoulders up.


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[Assistant] Heaven gets upset because I argue against myself.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it's like the dog's tail where there is a connection in the brain to that physicality where it becomes real.


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[Assistant] Well, you should go watch it, is the first thing I'll say.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you would not know, like, you might have an inkling like, oh I wish I could understand what the announcer was saying, but people who now can understand what the announcer is saying are like, this was incredible, because they're talking about gambling all throughout, like how the odds are changing, and Kevin and I found this really fascinating because


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[Assistant] Fighting in Thailand, we know the importance to some degree of gambling and odds, and if you go watch a fight at Lumpini and Rajadamnir, you can see them watching the gamblers between rounds. With them.


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[Assistant] The people in the ring, like you can see the fighters, their corners, their gym owners,


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[Assistant] Referee, like everyone is looking at the gamblers to see like how is this being interpreted.


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[Assistant] Uhm, to know what to tell your fighter for the next thing.


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[Assistant] A trainer of Golden Age fighters, Gensok, um, Lachin, my trainer, Krunu.


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[Assistant] Uhm, he'll just listen to gambling, not even watching the fight, he'll just listen to it, cause he's like, I need to know.


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[Assistant] Like if we're watching a horse race, you have eyes and so you can see a horse pull way in front of another one where you're like, well, he can't catch him without a miracle now.


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[Assistant] You can't see that necessarily unless you really understand Thai scoring. But they're telling you that horse just pulled way ahead.


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[Assistant] Yeah, this is something that's I think hard for people to swallow and admit is that you do not know how this sport is scored as well as you think you do.


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[Assistant] In Thailand, I don't, as well as I think I do, and then I watch something like this and I'm like, huh, I think I got a deeper understanding of it. Kevin and I just watched the, uhm, I can't remember what it's called now, the Michael Jordan.


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[Assistant] documentary. I don't watch basketball, I don't know much about basketball, but prior to watching this documentary, I'm like, well there's...


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[Assistant] Five seconds left in the game, it's over. Not in basketball, like in basketball.


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[Assistant] Five seconds can completely change a game that has like a pretty disparate score.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it's insane. You have to understand that possibility. If you don't understand that possibility and I'm like, oh, well this game is over.


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[Assistant] There are people who watch a Muay Thai fight where they're like, oh, well this, this person...


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[Assistant] Are as narrow as those like last two seconds, like the last two seconds of a basketball game can change a game.


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[Assistant] And people aren't aware that something went like this.


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[Assistant] I guess what I'm saying is that in order to understand scoring, you have to bring gambling.


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[Assistant] Like if you don't understand gambling, you're not following the score.


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[Assistant] Uhm, one of the Karahat vs. Wongtanoi fights. And we're like, Karahat won that fight.


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[Assistant] Probably. Going back to basketball, if it's like, you know,


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[Assistant] If you have very, very, if you have a very close score and a few seconds left, you can catch. If it's like 90 to 40,


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[Assistant] Which is what happened with Chmokepet and Pydang, is something enormous happened in the fight, and it went like this, and you're like, it doesn't matter how good he is now, like he's just gonna go after him with punches, his only hope is a knockout.


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[Assistant] Which if you don't know that the score went like that, you'd be like, wow, he's really aggressive, he's winning.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that was a fight that, uh, there was disagreement online when people watched it, which is not usual for my fights. Usually people are like, ah, that was very clear. This one people were like, huh, I thought she won, because they, like you, were not knowing what the gambler was doing.


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[Assistant] This is something that you don't know because you don't read Thai, but this is being talked about a lot right now in Thai media because with COVID, they're going to open up stadiums with live Muay Thai but with no audience.


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[Assistant] They're like, nobody can go watch, but it'll be on TV, and tons of people are like, the fighters won't know what to do, they won't fight hard if there's no audience.


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[Assistant] Honestly, I've used this as the example a lot because I think it's very true. It is the live audience for a stand-up comedy show.


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[Assistant] Other people are enjoying it, other people are laughing, you're like, that was hilarious. And then you watch it with no audience, like in some special, with like,


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[Assistant] The, uhm, no, no, with like closed captioning, like just reading it instead of even hearing it.


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[Assistant] God damn, Kevin Hart's not very funny at all. But it's like he's hilarious when you're in the group.


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[Assistant] I've actually fought on the same card as Sanchai more than once, but the second time...


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[Assistant] And we were like right up against the ring and watching him and I was like, shit! This is a totally different experience than watching him anywhere. On TIE Fight or something. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well like another version of the translating the actual commentary where they're talking about gambling and uhm,


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[Assistant] Awesome things, like relationships between the fighters, all the things, like giving all the context for that.


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[Assistant] Well, okay, I, I, I wanna say something about the... This is not only stadium Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] In Buddhism, to me, what draws me to Muay Thai always has, always will.


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[Assistant] What's interesting to me is that Thai masculinity has these reflections of


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[Assistant] How you're taught to be a man through Buddhism and how you're taught to be a man through a Muay Thai gym.


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[Assistant] How to bring up a fighter. There's very much a weird thing that's like...


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[Assistant] Muay Thai fighters are like, knock laying, like, kinda, like...


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[Assistant] In a Thai gym. It's very much a like, we keep kids, uhm.


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[Assistant] Totally, totally. All these things. How to be a good, a good man. Uhm, but so this one, I don't have.


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[Assistant] I don't have the Thai word for, but I totally have the Buddhist concept and Muay Thai concept for, which is this idea of experiential knowledge being the ultimate goal. Like, there's totally the, uhm, like, uh,


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[Assistant] Now I can't remember the name of it. Uhm.


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[Assistant] What was the good to play I was reading when we met that you loved that I wanted to read it?


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[Assistant] That's not good. So Faust has all this knowledge, like all this book knowledge, and he's just totally unhappy with


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[Assistant] But he learns his lesson at the end, so that's great. This is what that is, is that in Buddhism,


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[Assistant] There's this idea that uhm, they use this example with sugar, which is that someone who has never tasted sweet can be taught


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[Assistant] Someone, by someone, a teacher telling you what sweet is like. But the very moment you take it, sugar, and put it on your tongue,


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[Assistant] That is the greatest knowledge. And so the idea is that you can learn Buddhism, you can learn all these ideas, you can learn these sayings, but really you have to experience truth for yourself and then you will know it. You just know that that's true. Nobody has to convince you of it.


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[Assistant] So there's no like, conversion to Buddhism. It's a philosophy that you're like, that's true. Like, you just know it to be true.


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[Assistant] Was because I was like, yeah, I can do this awesome, like, gym Muay Thai, but when...


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[Assistant] Someone puts me under pressure. If I can't do it, I don't actually know anything. Like I have to experience the knowledge.


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[Assistant] But there's also this thing that's like, your trainer tells you, hands up.


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[Assistant] Hands up. Smack. You keep your fucking hand up. Like, they don't have to tell you anymore, cause you're like, mmm, I don't like that.


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[Assistant] This is, this seems very simple, this seems great that you just experience something for yourself and then you know it to be true, but it can be really, really hard to actually get


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[Assistant] That experience, which is- goes back into my sparring, goes back into fighting, goes back into these things, which is that I can-


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[Assistant] I can be told and I can believe in an intellectual way.


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[Assistant] That I should do these things, uh, block when someone...


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[Assistant] Like, in the west we might call that confidence. Okay. Your confidence in your weapon.


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[Assistant] And I have this difficulty all the time, which is that...


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[Assistant] I do think, like I'm actually doing them, but I don't have confidence in them.


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[Assistant] And so I'm actually failing to have the sugar on my tongue.


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[Assistant] All the time, but I haven't experienced it and Kevin and I have actually had some arguments about this over time in terms of trying to do something


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[Assistant] And knowing that it should work, or it should be effective, or it will change all these things, and I'm like, I've never felt it.


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[Assistant] And this is a difficulty in my path and being small in like fighting people bigger is... People will smack, smack the sugar off the spoon.


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[Assistant] But it's not faith. Buddhism is not faith. Muay Thai is not faith.


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[Assistant] Right, but it's, it's also a like, he also says he doesn't believe me.


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[Assistant] And it's, it is like that. It's someone who's like being obedient because they were told to do something. Versus once they experience it, you never ever have to tell them.


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[Assistant] There are barriers to your own experience, which is crazy. Like you're putting the sugar on your tongue, but your tongue is like laminated kind of thing. Where like, you, you do the things, but you don't have your own trust in them.


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[Assistant] Training for no time at all, but man they believe in their right hand.


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[Assistant] It's not a cheat sheet, but my, like, process.


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[Assistant] And a lot of people do not have self-experience because they're just being obedient. They're just like...


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[Assistant] Yeaah. I mean, it's kind of a mundane example, but uhm, people will talk about being mindful.


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[Assistant] So, like, don't eat your dinner in front of the TV because you don't taste it, you actually don't even register that you're full, like, all these different things, whereas if you, like, sit and mindfully eat


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[Assistant] But it's also not complicated, it's also incredibly simple.


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[Assistant] I think that what's difficult about this is that you're telling people to just put the sugar on their tongue.


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[Assistant] And everyone's like, yeah, at the concept.


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[Assistant] Like, we're all like, yeah, I get the concept. This has been my difficulty.


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[Assistant] For a very long time with mental training, which is that I'll read a book that's very inspiring and I'm like, yeah, like I totally agree with all of these.


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[Assistant] Concepts, and I'm like stoked by it, and I don't do any of the work.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and so I think that my frustration is coming from the experiential knowledge of people being like nodding their heads along with this being like, oh my god, yeaah, totally, that's amazing.


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[Assistant] And then not putting their fucking finger in their mouth.


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[Assistant] I think it's huge. I think it's really, really big.


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[Assistant] Love that being good for me. I actually feel good doing this.


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[Assistant] Thank you to our patrons who make all of this possible. Uhm, again, this is free content for everybody. You can watch this on YouTube. If you are a patron, you can subscribe to our podcast. Uhm, we talk like this in all of them.


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[Assistant] People really like them, they're very interesting, you can put them on in the background, my mom listens to them slowly over time.


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[Assistant] Totally. Uhm, I know people who like listen to them on their commutes and their runs and workouts which is kinda cool that like we're in people's ears when they're working out. Totally. Uhm, but.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we love thinking about Muay Thai and it's a very deep...


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[Assistant] Ready? One, two, three. Welcome to Muay Thai Bones Library Coffee Edition.


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[Assistant] Uhm, library coffee for those that are joining us for the first time is usually Sylvie coming from a Muay Thai library film session with a legend or a top crew of Thailand and giving like a fresh take of what the experience was like.


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[Assistant] Uhm, then, uh, I don't know, often like a month later you'll voice the session and be published on Patreon for everybody to study. This is a different library coffee. We just got through translating


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[Assistant] An interview or a conversation between two of maybe the top five Muay Thai fighters of all time, Diesel Noi and Witch Noi.


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[Assistant] And this was a really unusual session.


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[Assistant] And we got very excited about this. So what we're going to do is give some context about this conversation, how it developed, what makes it unique, and then we're going to talk about like the things in the conversation that impacted us personally and were meaningful. So maybe


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[Assistant] If you're watching this on YouTube, you can also get it as a podcast if you're a patron, even a dollar patron gets you.


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[Assistant] The dollar of support gets you all our podcasts.


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[Assistant] Totally audio. So, how did this conversation come about?


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[Assistant] Well, we should say that he's only fought Witchanoi three times.


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[Assistant] He basically became unfightable, uh, Diesel Noi became unfightable. But for Diesel Noi, Witch Noi is the like...


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[Assistant] Is the milestone or maybe when he became a man as a fighter was learning how to beat Dwichinoy. Right.


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[Assistant] Who already was out of his prime.


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[Assistant] So you were, you were like, this is before, this is before we had interviewed other legends about how great Witch Noi was. It was just more like, Diesel Noi, you keep talking about him.


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[Assistant] Can we get him for the library? Because this is what we want to do is we want to get.


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[Assistant] These legends, especially the legends who are about


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[Assistant] Totally. So we were, so Wichinoi, in that he was just on the cusp of really this, we were like, we really do want to get him from the library.


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[Assistant] You'll see this in the video, us like walking down the street and seeing, and then meeting Diesel Noy outside the beverage company.


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[Assistant] Well, you say hello is not a hello.


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[Assistant] It's not, it's like saying hello to the king. To acknowledge him really and to pay respect, that's what it really was.


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[Assistant] This is DieselNoiseHero. We didn't really know.


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[Assistant] It was pretty impressive and one of the more amazing things was than Diesel Noit. I didn't have the camera rolling by the way when this happened because I was like, wow, this feels really personal, like I don't want to film this.


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[Assistant] But, and then Diesel only totally shocked me and did the same thing upon leaving.


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[Assistant] I don't know what you want to call them, cultural things we've seen in Thailand, like ritualistic things.


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[Assistant] Traditional rights and behaviors. Him going down to Wichinoi's feet is one of the most startling, powerful things that I've ever seen.


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[Assistant] Might be the greatest fighter ever. And he's like, I am nothing compared to this man.


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[Assistant] And so that's the setup of this conversation.


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[Assistant] As things, as everyone sat down at this table, it became...


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[Assistant] It was slowly apparent that Witch Noi had no idea really why we were there or what a session would be. That something was lost in the translation.


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[Assistant] And so I'm just rolling the camera. You guys can see this on YouTube. Uh, we filmed the whole thing and then because of our Patreon support, we were able to hire a translator. So now the whole thing's captured in English. It's one of the coolest informal documentations of legendary mind.


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[Assistant] These two having conversations. When the conversation started unfolding and we're like, not sure what's happening.


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[Assistant] And it eventually became this kind of like dialogue about Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] Well that's, that's, yeaah, but the big thing is, is what we don't, you can't imagine capturing, which is their relationship and this feeling of, uhm,


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[Assistant] Like, men of a certain era, of which there's just very little documentation anymore.


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[Assistant] The camera was rolling mid-sentence.


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[Assistant] Dee Illinois is complaining about a specific fight that he attended, I believe. I think it's at Lumpini. Clearly was betting on...


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[Assistant] But it's also a symbol or it opens up discussion about what Golden Age fighters feel is wrong with Muay Thai and touches on the larger


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[Assistant] The larger themes of, does gambling, we've heard this from other, in other renditions that gambling has ruined Muay Thai, it gives insight to the ways in which


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[Assistant] Older fighters see Muay Thai has changed and gambling. So the story was is that the fighter that Diesel Noi was betting on, uhm, was outscoring his opponent.


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[Assistant] He was displaying superior skill and control over his opponent for four rounds.


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[Assistant] There's another version of this that happens a little, this one gets into a little bit later, but at this point, what he's really talking about is, after these four rounds,


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[Assistant] What you do is you look to the gamblers to see who's ahead, like,


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[Assistant] In some forms of western scoring, you get the judges showing, like in IFMA, judges showing their scores each round. TIE fighters and gamblers, everybody looked to the odds in the stadium to see who's ahead.


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[Assistant] And then fighters adjust themselves whether they're head or behind. Like they know how the score is. It's a really interesting dimension of the social dimension of Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] And that's what he's complaining about and you get to see him complain in real time to Wichanoi and Wichanoi


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[Assistant] Just very calm, acknowledging this kind of thing, and it's like a, it's a beautiful contrast.


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[Assistant] And so the complaint is, is that he was up 3-1 in the odds, which means the odds pretty much say how the fight has been scored. All he has to do is get through the 5th round, which is notoriously not a high scoring round. If you've got a lead, all you have to do is protect it.


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[Assistant] You don't have to worry about, like, the other fighter has to do some really big to, like, reverse these odds. And that fighter, the opponent, who was down,


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[Assistant] Throws the fighter in the lead once or twice, I'm not sure, it's unclear in his descriptions, but throws him once or twice.


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[Assistant] And wins the fight. And he is livid that a fighter can outclass somebody and then just be thrown to the ground twice. And all of, all of the credit that he has accrued for four rounds through the scoring rounds, three and four, is wiped out.


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[Assistant] And there's another version that we're gonna get to a little bit later where there's another reason why the score possibly changed, which is also interesting. But at this point, this is where we talk about


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[Assistant] Fighters complaining that power has taken over because of gambling. And this is what they mean by power. They mean you could grab somebody and throw someone to the ground.


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[Assistant] And erase a lot of points. You can erase the odds.


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[Assistant] This is, for me, what's really interesting is that we've heard from some art and


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[Assistant] San Chai, both famously. San Chai, I believe, interviewed in a film, a documentary film, some art in a very famous interview, I don't know, seven years ago it feels like, a chunk of years ago, both complaining that gambling has ruined Muay Thai by


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[Assistant] Taking away the techniques, basically, of the femur fighter, uh, the art of it. And part of it is like...


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[Assistant] The suspicion that Summer and Sanchai really don't like clinch, power clinch moves, because they're femur fighters. They wanna do, they wanna Muay Thai to score what they do well, well. And there's always been this struggle between Muay Kao power and femur arch.


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[Assistant] When we asked Summart about Moikau, he to this day said, I've never lost a Moikau, despite the fact that he lost a Dieselmoy.


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[Assistant] So we were, we've always felt like, uh, the gambling issue is the loss of the gambling.


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[Assistant] The problem of power in gambling is something that's mourned by fighters who are especially artful. But here you have a Moe Cal fighter in Diesel Noi, thought to be a power fighter, you see his pad work and whatnot, complaining about the same thing.


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[Assistant] And that means that Moikau has changed from diesel noise time to now.


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[Assistant] These'll make, these'll only makes this really cool point where he's like...


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[Assistant] If you score a lot artfully, and then you lose by a couple of throws,


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[Assistant] What is going to come of these fighters? Like the shape of the scoring


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[Assistant] Or you get, you get more, more female fighters who take, who fight with less vocabulary.


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[Assistant] But it's not only the fifth round, they fight, they learn to fight entirely in a more conservative way. We've heard that many weapons, and this is where Sanchai, who ended his career fighting against really big skill, little camera interruption,


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[Assistant] About taking risk as a femur fighter, that if you, if you're not going to take physical risks by elaborating your vocabulary, maybe trying a complex way of attacking somebody,


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[Assistant] If you take that risk, and you look bad, the gamblers who bet on you are like, why did you blow that fight?


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[Assistant] And so you end up producing this kind of like, really interesting suppression of creative development.


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[Assistant] You're, you're always kind of like s- you have the tendency to be scolded for trying something. Whereas in the past,


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[Assistant] Yod-moy all develop their personal- their personalities through their moi.


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[Assistant] That you became rewarded through a star system of charisma.


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[Assistant] And, like, Wong Chun-Oi fought differently than Karahat. Like, every single person had a rich style that was rewarded by the star system of promotions, but also the scoring system. And I think what Diesel Noi is saying, look at what happened in this fight.


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[Assistant] What is going to happen to either of these fighters because of this result? Like, where is the progress going to come to for each of these fighters and then what is going to happen to Muay Thai if this gets duplicated and duplicated and duplicated?


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[Assistant] We've seen this when Golden Age Legends come to Patron Rung, and Pnue is like, that's all fine and good, but that doesn't score now.


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[Assistant] Which is a weird kind of like, other side of this that even the power game...


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[Assistant] When in fact you could develop a full on complex waist, low clinch, mid clinch.


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[Assistant] ...style that would be very hard for people to defeat, but you'd actually have to lose some fights.


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[Assistant] Because when you attempt these moves, they're technically difficult, so you actually are not going to be pulling them off right away. And it's like, I think Diesel Noy is saying that the, the uhm,


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[Assistant] The shape of Muay Thai is becoming less and less dynamic.


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[Assistant] And another dimension of this which is really interesting to me is, he's complaining about the power move.


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[Assistant] The power side, and I'm like, there's also a problem on the femur side, which is, I don't think these femur fighters are anywhere near as tough and as...


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[Assistant] In grappling, as they once were. There once, there was a time when the most female fighters could handle themselves inside. We've seen even people like Silpatai, Sawmart, people who do not want to clinch. They're not only like, running.


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[Assistant] They can handle themselves up close. Like, Karahat, who's a fucking femur fighter if there ever was one, you started training with him and oh my god, he's got the most interesting clinch game that I've ever seen.


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[Assistant] But they're not, but they're not people that never trained it because they don't like it.


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[Assistant] And so, I think that it's a case of two things. One is, a Golden Age female fighter, after scoring for, scoring for four rounds, and then somebody tried to lock them up and throw them, would never go down.


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[Assistant] They could handle themselves there. It's almost like the Fumar and the, and the power Moikau fighters have like separated out and specialized.


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[Assistant] That was the most interesting thing about this part of that.


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[Assistant] Did you take anything else out of that portion of that?


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[Assistant] Because this gambling thing is complicated because


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[Assistant] We're not, we're, I don't speak any Thai. You're not fluent in the culture and the language enough to understand even how gambling unfolds?


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[Assistant] You have to understand a lot about the culture and social cues and...


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[Assistant] You have to understand a lot of context to understand some simple things about what's happening. When odds are going up, odds are going down. When people are saying that gambling is ruining something.


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[Assistant] It's like, it's not something we have a deep amount of insight to. This fight, complaint, to me shed a lot of light on what it means when people are saying gambling is the problem, is a problem.


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[Assistant] Complicated when people talk like that because gambling also has a moral kind of, uhm, stain to it.


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[Assistant] Muay Thai stadiums are one of the few places in Thailand where gambling is legal.


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[Assistant] Otherwise it's seen as like moral, moral degeneracy kind of. There's a lot of underground gambling, underground lotto type stuff, but.


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[Assistant] By saying it's gambling, and obviously gambling also carries with it all kinds of organized crime history and whatnot.


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[Assistant] I don't know, there's, I feel like I understand that gambling is the problem better than I did before hearing that conversation.


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[Assistant] And we've heard, we've heard this said that


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[Assistant] I think it was from Dieselnoi, he was like uhm, in the past there were just really big mafiosos that kind of like ran the, ran the game. And then there were like highly integrative, integrative referees that were just kind of like strict disciplinarians.


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[Assistant] Maybe yeaah, like there was a sense of structure, some kind of moral structure to the ethics of the scoring, although clearly,


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[Assistant] Fights were thrown all the time in the golden age, like it was a really also messed up world in its own way.


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[Assistant] Well, that's a, that's, you listen to what Kong Torney said, but that's according to Kong Torney, but I'm saying,


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[Assistant] There are many controversial decisions, like, it's not like it was all everybody understood it, but there is this weird feeling like the Muay Thai world has become a little more fragmented and the power structures have shifted in a way that


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[Assistant] Maybe Diesel knows, like, if this was leading to better and better fights, better, more and more development of skill, more and more Yodemoi level stuff, maybe we'd accept some of the bad stuff, like, as part of it, but he's like, this is not leading in a good direction for Muay Thai, like,


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[Assistant] Everything is becoming simplified, dumbed down.


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[Assistant] In a way. And for him, as a Moikau fighter, the charge of the Moikau, the Moikau charge is that you're just a dumb mo- power guy, right? That's the pow- that's-


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[Assistant] A Moikaw fighter always have to be like, I had a high IQ, right? I was very artful. But people say that about Diesel Noy, that he honestly was super artful.


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[Assistant] We cannot lose that thing that I had, even as a Moe Cowfighter.


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[Assistant] Right, and then even when people were ostracized, like, uhm, I think, uh, Samson Asan was probably, like, looked down upon as a non-beautiful fighter, uh, Yoku Kumpon, even they had...


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[Assistant] Skill and timing and things that were maybe underappreciated because of their style, their very aggressive style.


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[Assistant] But now things have gone even more into this kind of like polarized, uh, reduced vocabulary. And you can see it.


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[Assistant] Because you're like, when you see a Golden Age fight and you see a Contemporary fight, and I think we'll talk about this later, and you see these, you can see what a Golden Age fight looks like. It doesn't look like it.


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[Assistant] Okay, so we're gonna go on to the next part of the other problem diesel I have with this fight. Yeah, very excited. Okay, so we're switching over.


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[Assistant] Oh, this is how he lost. I mean, before he made it sound like, oh, he lost a 3 to 1 odds.


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[Assistant] He's like, he updated his story and he was like,


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[Assistant] Uhm, oh, he was warned for grabbing the rope, the one who was in the lead. And he made this really weird interest- not weird, interesting point. He was talking to a referee who was involved.


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[Assistant] And he was like, if you're warned for an infraction, it's not actually a warning, it's actual point deduction.


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[Assistant] See, in the West, you warn somebody, you're like, I will take points from you.


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[Assistant] Here, apparently if you're warned about something by a ref, it will diminish your score.


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[Assistant] Well, no, he knows, like, takeaway points. I think we have a disagreement about what he said. He was like, I know warnings take away points.


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[Assistant] What's problematic is a ref can just reverse the score of a fight by giving a warning.


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[Assistant] So, if a, if an opponent is grabbing the rope, grabbing the rope, grabbing the rope, just off and on,


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[Assistant] You have in your pocket the ability to give him a warning at a certain point and shape the score. So, it sounds like, in this fight, and it's just an example fight, but you've learned principles from it, in this fight you have had a big lead, probably was grabbing the rope occasionally,


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[Assistant] The ref warned him, knocked down his lead, then he was thrown one or two times in the fifth round.


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[Assistant] The Gamblers were like 3-1 going into that last round. There's no way he can lose this. He ended up losing it.


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[Assistant] A big gambler on the other side ended up not having to pay out. You can see how this is very complicated.


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[Assistant] Like, is the roughing on up and up and there's this feeling like big gamblers don't have to pay out sometimes because


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[Assistant] Scoring is such that skills can be nullified by throws late.


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[Assistant] Fighters are not going to develop. He literally says, what will happen to Muay Thai if you can have a dominant lead through skill and then be thrown and lose your lead? And he's like, how will that fighter develop?


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[Assistant] In the future and therefore all the fighters develop. And that the scoring, the shape of scoring is really about producing, like rewarding the growth of a fighter.


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[Assistant] And there is this feeling like because of this, these power throws.


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[Assistant] Becoming more and more prominent and gamblers moving their money towards these kinds of moves.


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[Assistant] Fighters, fighters these days are already facing a huge deficit. There's not as much money.


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[Assistant] Adjusted for inflation as there was in the golden age. Purses are down, the top purses are probably down 75% from the huge purses of the golden age. At least by one count that we made, did a little research on that.


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[Assistant] There's far fewer ties becoming Muay Thai fighters, so the talent pool is much less.


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[Assistant] Big gyms are vacuuming up all the top talent, so yeaah, one gym can have ten belts, limpini belts, but


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[Assistant] They don't fight each other, so you don't actually learn and progress as a fighter the way Diesel and I progressed.


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[Assistant] If Diesel Noy was fighting today, Witch Noy and him would be in the same gym. Like, would be under the same promotion, they would never fight each other. Like, they'd be a PK San Chai fighter.


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[Assistant] All of Muay Thai is like under this strain of lack of development and then he's saying also the reward of power is causing a problem.


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[Assistant] Totally, because basically you've learned to nullify their artful kicks that don't actually hurt you. They're like not powerful kicks, they're just little touch kicks it feels like.


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[Assistant] This is the thing, it's, there's always been a moe cow versus moe femur, like, eternal battle, right?


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[Assistant] But, legendary fighters like, Moikawa fighters like, decently feel like it's gone to this point where power is too rewarded.


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[Assistant] Like, uh, Yodwicha is a good example who, uh, kind of ended San-Chai's career in a way. Uh, Pat Boon Choo was just like, uh, when we went to train with, uh, when you train with Crew Diesel, Pat Boon Choo's...


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[Assistant] Your scoring, like I remember, uh, when Samart was making a great big public fuss about this scoring thing, some commenter, and I hate to even give commenters credit, but he's like,


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[Assistant] Uh, P Mart, you run a gym, you better start teaching your fighters, like a Thai gym, you better start teaching your fighters how to fight according to the new scoring. You can't just have artful fighters that never win. Because people are betting on you, on your fighters. And it's like, you can't fight, you cannot run a gym as if it's in the golden age.


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[Assistant] This is the other half of this equation that I find super interesting.


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[Assistant] You have the femur fighter, who's like scoring, bop bop bop bop bop, right? And you have then the Moikawa fighter at the end, throwing him, winning. This is the thing.


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[Assistant] Not only did Muay Kow fighters in the past, like say Diesel Noy, have an ability to go to a teep game.


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[Assistant] Or to a kicking game, like to not rush in, to change.


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[Assistant] Were unbelievably tough. And they weren't tough because they were tough guys. They, the training of female fighters out in the day was at a very rigorous high level.


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[Assistant] You are saying that one of the things about Diesel Noy and Samart, that fight, the holy grail fight, is like, Samart is taking Diesel Noy's knees and looking like they're not a problem. You watch Diesel Noy at 58 years old, knee a pad man in Petron Rome.


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[Assistant] Through the belly pad. I remember when it's like the first time the pad man holds for him. Cause they have no idea. Or this like 58 year old man. And Diesel and I just go wop with his knee and the technique.


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[Assistant] Is so good that the transfer of power is so efficient that it goes through the belly pad. And I'm like, and some art is taking that knee.


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[Assistant] Over and over and over again. And this is what I think. I'm like, it's not just that power fighters are being rewarded, but I also think femur fighters are nowhere near as strong and badass as they were. Not only were femur fighters more articulate,


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[Assistant] I mean, My Cowfighter's more articulate. Femur Fighters were way tougher. And you get this when you see technical fighters of the Golden Age get into some serious scraps. Like, they could fight a power game too.


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[Assistant] Like, we started, when you trained with Karahat,


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[Assistant] We're like, oh, he's Mr. Fancy, right? Mr. Femur. He's got a huge clinch game. Like an unbelievable clinch game that he did not use very much in his Golden Age fights.


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[Assistant] And this is what I want to say, maybe, to reason why I wish I spoke Thai and I could sit with him. I'm like, yeah, that guy got thrown twice in the fifth round. In the golden age, he would not have been thrown twice. Like, he has competence in the clinch.


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[Assistant] It's not just that Moikawa's power is being rewarded, it's that femur fighting has kind of become less powerful.


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[Assistant] And Moikawa fighting has become less articulate, and they've split.


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[Assistant] And then the, the difficulty in these kind, the way it's trending is also femur fighters are discouraged from developing more and more and more weapons along that line because you can't take chances under gambling situations.


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[Assistant] There was maybe more of a sense that you could, maybe? We don't know enough, right?


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[Assistant] Oh, that's the part of the thing is we don't even fucking know what golden age is. I mean, when you put a fight on and you're like, is this golden age or not? You know right away. You know right away it's not a contemporary fight.


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[Assistant] No, it's a really, it's just a different mode of fighting, it doesn't exist anymore.


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[Assistant] But, like you say, we're just seeing little snippets. They lived the entire era. So, we don't even fully know. You have to see the mediocre fights at that time. You have to see the bad fights. You have to see all of it to know what was really happening.


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[Assistant] Some of those fights we watched, we watched two fights from that card, 1982, and they were like, there was that feeling, like,


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[Assistant] Who's going to pull ahead? Who's going to pull ahead? And in what way? So what else in this?


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[Assistant] In this conversation was like appealing or powerful to you. Personally.


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[Assistant] Well that was actually incredible because these fights do not exist anywhere and there will not be a discovery of the film of them in all likelihood.


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[Assistant] So they only can exist in the reports of them.


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[Assistant] Two legends re-talking about how these fights went.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you could not just lock her up. You locked her up early and you scored, you could have turned the fight, but it was early and you didn't go for the kill. And then she solved your clinch. She's bigger, much bigger, and she...


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[Assistant] Did one move to solve your clinch, and I'm like, that, I want to see that fight again, because you need to evolve to solve the solve.


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[Assistant] And not many people solve your clinch. And it was, there's counters to the counter, but there's also like, maybe we could fight differently. Like, not even try to work for the clinch at that point or whatever. There's so many things that can develop out of that.


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[Assistant] He says, he says, talking about his first two fights I think, but it could have been the first fight, he says, he was teeping me.


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[Assistant] Which one was teething me? And it was fighting and teaching.


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[Assistant] And the next thing he says is, there are no fighters like this.


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[Assistant] It's not, it's not even they're not as good now.


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[Assistant] It's like, no, he was literally teaching me with his teep.


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[Assistant] He wasn't just dominating me or getting the best of me. He was like, no, this was my teacher.


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[Assistant] The way that Witch Noi fought, at least as he was experienced, as the fight was experienced by Diesel Noi, was like literally an instruction. That's fucking incredible.


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[Assistant] And he's like, there are no fighters like this anymore. And he's like,


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[Assistant] I'm just thinking if someone's teeping you, the way they're teeping you for that to be a teaching is very like...


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[Assistant] It reminds me of the, what keeps coming to me is that incredible scene in, uhm, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.