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[Assistant] You know, close, oh, double move, close the gap, I gotta restart and get going here. That's where I give them a little bit better of an advantage over Christian Gonzalez. Now Gonzalez, ball skills, I maybe give to him in that department. Size and strength.


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[Assistant] Give to him in that department, but I also say size and strength and coverage, but not in like the tackling physicality, other aspects taking on blocks.


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[Assistant] He wasn't nearly as physical as Turner or Witherspoon in that department. And you're shaking your head because you watched some of these highlights and saw that too. That's what I do. I scout the highlights after you give me a list.


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[Assistant] I don't, that's where I don't go crazy with tackling or anything like that. You know, I just want to make sure, if the guy's in the open field, is he going to tackle him? That's really at the end of the day all I worry about.


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[Assistant] All the others, like that stuff we're talking about, it's just pluses, right? I wouldn't have still made Witherspoon or Turner one where I went, oh, they're kamikaze, they're physical.


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[Assistant] You know, they can't cover anybody man to man, right? I mean, that was just icing on the cake, right? So I'm not going to. But here's another part of it too. One, the size, you know, the hips are great.


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[Assistant] The speed, I don't think the speed and twitchiness is up there the same quite as Turner and Witherspoon, right?


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[Assistant] And there's a part of me, again, to where, and I don't want this to sound negative,


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[Assistant] I don't, because the guy is awesome. He just wasn't as, uhm, edgy as the other guys. He didn't seem, the film didn't seem as competitive to where he was like,


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[Assistant] You know, oh, he got a catch on me. Like the other two, like they almost looked like they wanted to kill themselves when somebody got caught the ball on them.


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[Assistant] All their games or films or anything in that department. And yeaah, I put a little something into that in this position because you know I think that's very important to survive in the NFL, especially a corner. Yeaah, stylistically, just watching him, he's more smooth. Very smooth. He's gonna be...


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[Assistant] He's gonna be, of course, gonna play man to man and match up better against DeAndre Hopkins than the other two will.


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[Assistant] But, you know, I don't know if he'll match up better with Jalen Waddle or Jamar Chase than the other two. I don't, I'm not ready to say that. I'm not. Zone? Hey, he's very good in Zone.


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[Assistant] You know, all these guys are. Now his length and his size are more of an advantage for him in zone. I don't think he's gonna be able to play the slot like the other two too, Ken. And again, I'm putting value into that. Cause I'm kinda done with, oh, slot or this or that.


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[Assistant] That cover a guy, can you cover him or not? And the other two can go inside against the jitterbug types and do that too.


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[Assistant] I don't know if this guy can do that, right? So that's where he's, he's awesome. And I certainly don't want it to sound like a negative that he's number three. And I am very realistic to know that the NFL community, majority of them are gonna like him.


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[Assistant] I understand that. So you would not be surprised if he was the first off the board? No, I would not. I would not be surprised, you know. I think Witherspoon's size will scare people, you know. I think ultimately, yea, Witherspoon or him are gonna be the first off the board. But as you are seeing here, I think, you know, my guy DJ Turner is every bit in that conversation with them.


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[Assistant] He does. Right. Exactly right. 10 yard splits not great, right?


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[Assistant] That's again where I get into a little bit of like what I'm talking about, the ability to close, the ability to put your foot in the ground and then drive in the ball. It's not in the same, the same level as Witherspoon and company. You know, but that broad jump, that vertical jump, what that does show is like the hip flexibleness and that there. And that's where you do see that in him. But yeah, you know, the one thing, other thing I didn't like is


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[Assistant] I didn't feel like he got challenged as much as the other two. Didn't get put in some of the positions the other two got put in, right?


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[Assistant] And again, that's not necessarily his fault. I just got to see those guys in some of those situations more that made me feel more comfortable.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, and then, and I wrote towards the end, I just wrote his burst out of transition is not like the elite of the elite.


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[Assistant] Uh, and probably a few too many steps at times as well. And that happens when you're a little bit bigger, right? Uhm, but his technique is real. And he's a top 20 pick. You talk about size, technique, and then you talk about, uhm, straight speed.


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[Assistant] Yeah, of course this guy's one of the top corners in the draft, one of the top players in the draft and, you know, uh, I expect him to be a top 20 pick. Here's one thing that I really like. He played on special teams. He played quite well.


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[Assistant] I did not think he was, you know, he's a little into the try to knock the ball out of the receivers hands as he's catching it. And I did not think he was the best in that department, right? I told you about the zone, you know, uhm.


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[Assistant] Yeah, his ball skills at times, when he looks good, he looks like a wide receiver. Right. But as you start to go through it too, there's a lot of plays where you go, ah, just turn and make a play on the ball. Don't, you know, try to time it out and knock the ball out of the receiver's hands. The receiver catches it.


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[Assistant] So yeah, but other than that, man, I don't know. I don't think I'm missing anything. That's good. If the homies have questions, we can address those. We can get into it.


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[Assistant] The winner back in the draft is Deontay Banks from Maryland.


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[Assistant] Deontay Banks, you know, six foot, one, he has more of the measurables, again, like, like the Oregon kid, Gonzalez. He's more of that. Six foot, 197, there's a thickness to him, right, and a power and strength element that certainly jumps out, let alone, again,


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[Assistant] Speed is real deal Holyfield. They're talking about a guy that's faster than Gonzalez, has a better 10 yard split than Gonzalez, has a better vert than Gonzalez. This guy's real. You think speed is as important at the corner position as any position, correct? A hundred percent. I think, again, we've gotten this conversation before. When you look at the top corners in the history of football,


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[Assistant] You're usually in the 4-3s and the 4-2s. You're really, when you get into Champ Bailey and Darrell Rivas and Darrell Green and Deion Sanders and those type of guys, you know, I know there's some 4-4 guys in there too. I'm not trying to, but, but yeah, I think when you get into the elite of the elite, as you said earlier,


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[Assistant] You're covering a bunch of guys that run 4-4 and some run 4-3. So you can't be slower than them and expect to be able to cover them. And they know where they're going. And they know where they're going. Right. So yeaah, I'm a big...


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[Assistant] Proponent of that. There's a reason, again, like, guys like Avante Maddox get drafted lower, then all of a sudden they get in the NFL, and we're like, woah, and they go, well yea, you ran 4-2!


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[Assistant] There's nobody, he never has to go, ah, I have to run my absolute fastest to stay with this guy. He can stay in control. And then he can make great breaks and things like that, right? There's a lot of guys like that as we go through. The Dominique Rodgers Cremarties of the world. All of those. They all do that.


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[Assistant] You know, so, that's where it does start. Now, this guy, like,


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[Assistant] Man to man, great legs, runs easy, you know, you can see right away a little bit like the, like the Turners and really the top three. He's comfortable in his speed, so he's never panicked. He's very comfortable in going, oh, you have a step on me? That's, that's fine. You got me, I'm good, but they don't like.


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[Assistant] Like the other two, Witherspoon and Turner, especially getting on top of people when they try to run a go route. Nobody can ever really get around them for the most part.


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[Assistant] He had one bad game. I watched three games of the guy. The Ohio State game was the one bad game and it wasn't that bad. He guessed on a few plays. He got a little too up to show Ohio State and these guys what I'm all about. And they went, oh no, we're going to double move you and throw a bomb on you. And he got burned a few times because of that.


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[Assistant] But okay, you know, again, he was put in positions where it's like, okay, he's covering elite guys here, and it's him and him by himself, you know.


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[Assistant] He's sticky as hell, he's got very good feet, he doesn't know how to use his hands at all yet. So he's not really that great at jamming people to a line of scrimmage, but he's never not there, right?


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[Assistant] I thought his ability to play the ball and create PBUs?


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[Assistant] Was in those 50-50 situations where the quarterback tries to throw the back shoulder throw or all that. He's gotten taught great.


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[Assistant] You watch the whole year. Anytime it was a 50-50 or wait, what's a little bumping and rubbing here to catch the ball? He couldn't out physical Deontay Banks. Not at all. Deontay Banks showed him who was the boss in that department. So that's where I love him too. Hips, great. Change of ability, great. You know, technique is a little bit.


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[Assistant] Uh, it's not on par with the three guys above, it's a little bit more raw that way. But the twitchiness, the explosiveness, you know, all of that. You know, there's a few more wasted steps in and out of breaks and transition compared to the other guys.


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[Assistant] At the end of the day, I wrote, this kid's an island shut down man to man corner.


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[Assistant] 20 to 40, as in he's to me somewhere in the 20 to 40 range as far as the draft.


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[Assistant] There's no doubt. And we know the Giants need that. Wink Martindale needs that. That's like, like, imperative to his scheme.


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[Assistant] And yeaah, I can see this guy being that guy here. Again, like I said, this guy's an island corner. He's real. You know, he's, he's got the look you like. If you like prototypes, he's right there with Gonzalez as far as the look and everything that way. So, uh, I'm a big fan and, um, think he's gonna be a really good man to man corner in the NFL.


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[Assistant] So this kid too, right? For sure. Yea, and especially, like I said, I'm big into, you know, legit, playing it the real way, not pass interference, and then, you know, the bumping and grinding downfield, the fight for the ball, or whatever the area, I thought he was incredibly strong and physical in those, in those, uh, departments.


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[Assistant] He's got an incredible, you know, 40, 10-yard split that we talked about, and then has that vertical, broad jump thing that I, again, like I always talk about, there's some hip


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[Assistant] Translation there. To be able to get down in this and then, uuuh, like expand yourself to go up or out, right? There's some hip, so, and those are two guys that have great hips. They really do. They're loose and greasy, Gonzalez and Deontay Banks. But Deontay Banks, another guy,


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[Assistant] Where I don't, I didn't really look up where he's at for most people, but I don't get, well I don't see his name more, you know. I keep looking at all these guys, you know, I keep seeing these guys on these lists that are skinny.


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[Assistant] Paul and have no change of direction ability, but they're top five in the draft. And I want to go with if anybody runs anything rather than a go route, they can't cover you.


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[Assistant] For some reason, those guys are all, you know, towards the top. I have no idea where Deontay Banks is even being kind of like looked at, but for me, there's no doubt. And I would think the NFL community is going to see this as well.


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[Assistant] The number five spot, we'll be honest here, you know, uhm, and of course I'm always honest, so I don't know why I'm saying that. But it makes me wonder now that you said that. I know, that's what a liar says. Alright, the number five spot.


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[Assistant] Was down to a few people. Alright? And thank you for bringing it up. Is Terrell Smith from Minnesota? Cam Smith from South Carolina?


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[Assistant] And I don't know if I'm saying my man's name right. Keely? Is it Keely Ringo? Keely Ringo? I believe that's right. Right? That's to me.


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[Assistant] Who it came down to, to number five. I had another guy in Cameron Mitchell from Northwestern that I really really liked.


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[Assistant] But, he wasn't in the top 5 conversation, we'll talk about him in a minute. But yea, those three names were the ones where I was going, I don't know. You know, I liked all of them, none of them were perfect. And ultimately, I ended up going with Keeley Ringo from Georgia. It is Keeley. Keeley, cool.


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[Assistant] Size is the first thing that you just go, what? Like, what?


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[Assistant] Like, when you turn on the film, you go, wait, this guy's a corner? Did they, did they, is this wrong? Is he safety?


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[Assistant] Cause he has a sa- he has a like a prototype safety body. Like where you go like literally like thick, where you're just like, can this guy really move and be this good? Like how can he do this? Okay, well yeah, he can.


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[Assistant] He can. And then again here, this is where we get into sizes and tastes and what you need or whatever. Yeaah. You know, against the bigger straight liner guys, nobody's gonna push this big f*** around. Nobody. You know, that's certainly not gonna be an issue. So that along with the straight speed and


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[Assistant] Hey, the change of direction stuff is not beautiful, right?


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[Assistant] He's a little heavy footed cause he's a bigger guy. It's a little clunkier than the other guys we've talked about today.


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[Assistant] Alright? But it's not bad, you know? His acceleration? Yeah, I wish it was a little bit better.


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[Assistant] Right? But once he gets going, like, his accelerations work. You can see him, like, errrr, digging, right? Where the other guys, it was just like, nothing. Like, it felt like they were just like, oh, hey, I'm just running the park like usual. You could see that from this guy, but man, when he opens up, I mean, he can really go, obviously, with a 43640 time.


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[Assistant] Yes, he, and, and, and like, very smooth as far as an athlete overall. Okay, uhm, his hips, his hips are not like, they're, they're good. Again, it's more about the acceleration off of it that's just like, okay, that's not the best I've seen here.


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[Assistant] Uh, let's see, I'm just trying to, you know, I'm already digging work to build up speed, you know, uhm.


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[Assistant] You know, or just the change of direction stuff. That's what I said.


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[Assistant] Exactly, that's where he's gonna be. And to me, that's where we're getting to the point where the top four guys, I go, they can play in any scheme, and that's why they're the top four guys.


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[Assistant] I think you get into this a little bit and where I am now, you start to get into, okay, this is going to be a little bit about what you like, what you need, what defense you play, all that, right?


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[Assistant] Uhm, so, like, hands, hands are great, and never, once he gets his hands on you, it's over, right? Good at all things physical.


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[Assistant] I mean, all of that, again, taking on a block, guy trying to 50-50 ball, back shoulder, I mean, all of those are really, really good, right? But I will say, 4-3-6 does not show up on the film. It doesn't look like 4-3-6, and to what your NFC scouts say in there too, one, Georgia plays a ton of zones.


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[Assistant] Right, so he's not put in a lot of man-to-man. It's not like it was with Tyson Campbell and Stokes.


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[Assistant] You know, Green Bay and Jacksonville, those were, they played a lot of man to man with those two. This was more of a zone defense from Georgia this year.


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[Assistant] You know, yeaah, I just, it really all came down to just the clunkiness there, and I'm gonna just read the last part here.


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[Assistant] You know, change of direction is good, but it's not as good as the top guys. It's not bad, but, you know, but again, the guy's bigger and you would expect that. You know, same with the in and out of transition. It's not special or good, but it's not bad.


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[Assistant] You know, it's good, it's not great. You know, extra steps are to be expected. He's gonna be perfect for the bigger wide receiver matchups in the NFL, really good jam, uses a sideline, gets on top, gets on top of wide receivers, he's very good at press bail.


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[Assistant] Where he can kinda press you, he gets on top of you, and then you can't ever get by him. He kinda just smothers you. So, that's where, you know, uh,


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[Assistant] Good natural hands. Really good player. Size guys are straight liners. Uh, size guys are straight liners.


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[Assistant] Uh, will be no problem for him. Change of direction guys are good route runners. I have real worries about, and I think that's what the NFC scout was talking about a little there. When you see some of the bad games, you go, well yeah, he's gotten put in a few positions here where change of direction comes into play, and that's not his game. That's not what it is. But, you put him against the


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[Assistant] You know, who's a taller, fast, straight-liner in football? Let's just say a Mike Evans type, right? He can be able to give them, give them some issues.


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[Assistant] He'll be able to go, okay, I can run down the field with you and jump up and knock the ball down and not let you dominate me that way. That's really where he is. You know? Yea, you gotta work on that department. I wish his acceleration and explosion were a little bit better. Uhm, but, you know, he's a guy that I wouldn't be shocked to see go at the end of the first, second, top half of the second round.


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[Assistant] Uh, I think at some point there's gonna be a run on these corners. Yeah. Because there's only so many elite ones to go around and I think he certainly is in the elite conversation there.


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[Assistant] It really is. And what, what, do we have any, uh, times for this? Yea, see, I mean, again, that's not, this is not his game, and you, you tell me.


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[Assistant] You know, let's watch that one more time if you don't mind.


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[Assistant] I was gonna say, just to you and your eye right there, that didn't look like


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[Assistant] DJ Turner's drills, did it? It looks like he had to gather himself a little bit more. There's a little more of a deliberate moving and stuff like that. That's all I'm saying with the guy. Guy's got size, strength, he can go straight away. You know, there's a thickness to him that's real. He's probably got the ability to be a safety later on in his career, right?


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[Assistant] You know, but this stuff here, yeaah, that's good, but I'm not blown away by this. Where I think if we watch Witherspoon, or DJ Turner, or Gonzalez, or, uh, Banks, like even there, you see there.


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[Assistant] You know, just a, there's a little bit of a clunkiness, a little bit more of a build up speed when he comes out of brakes to accelerate and all that. Where the four guys before him, it's like, alright, Witherspoon accelerates in half a step, Turner accelerates in half a step, Gonzalez it takes him a step and a half, and Deontay Banks it takes a step and a half. This guy it takes three steps, alright?


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[Assistant] The right point there. And you know, we tried to make that point too. It's, it's, yes, it's gonna be a little bit about what we got.


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[Assistant] You know, who's in our division? What scheme we play? All of those things are going to kind of, you know, come into, come into the conversations as far as what guys they like. But man, I love these five right here. I mean, first off, just, I love them. I love the attitude of the first two.


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[Assistant] Three and four, their bodies and their potential are unbelievable. And five, yeaah, he's not perfect, but damn, when you're that big and you can run like that straight away, you deserve to be on the list.


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[Assistant] Yeah, let me just get to the page here. I mean, listen, I like Joey Porter. I just don't love him. You know.


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[Assistant] And yeaah, he's not even one of my first honorable mentions.


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[Assistant] You know, in theory when you turn on the film and you look at it and you go, oh, this is gonna be like Sauce Gardener, right? But it's not Sauce Gardener. It's not. And it's not nearly the same...


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[Assistant] He's strong as hell, gets his hands on receivers at the line of scrimmage, and he bosses them around. Okay? But...


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[Assistant] Like, he also uses his hands way too much down the field. He's a walking past interference or holding call in the NFL, right? You know, I, I had questions almost right away when I started to write.


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[Assistant] About Joey Porter, where I saw like the first ten plays and I was just like, how quick are the feet? What's his burst out of transition? Because I started to be concerned right away. You know, uhm, I wrote, you know, looks a lot like Sauce Gardener from last year, but man, he's not as twitchy or as fast.


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[Assistant] You know, he accelerates well for his size, you know.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but the top end speed and all that, it doesn't show 446 on film in my opinion.


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[Assistant] You know, and then you get into the change of direction stuff, right? And that's all less than, right? It really is. I did not think he was as sudden and twitchy as I was expecting. You know, he's funny in that, out of a straight back pedal,


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[Assistant] And then he has to come forward. He's really, he's pretty good in that department.


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[Assistant] But anything other than that, he's not that great at gathering himself and coming, right? Where it's like, hey, wait, I'm kind of turning and running and now you've crossed my face and run an incut and now I gotta swing my body and my hips like we saw DJ Turner doing that. That's a little bit of like, oh wait, he's gotta get his body straight and gathered up to go straight again.


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[Assistant] He's a straight-liner that way. And, you know, that's where, you know, he bothered me more than anything. I think that if you're not a tall, straight-line guy, he's going to have issues covering you. It's not going to be easy for him.


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[Assistant] And I texted like two of my friends in the NFL and I was kind of just like, Hey, what is, what did you guys evaluate? You know, the kid from Alabama, there's nobody and they both came back to me as we're, we evaluate it as a safety. So that was enough for me to where I just went, okay, I'm going to make them a safety too.


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[Assistant] Yeah, sure, sure. It's a different type of flexion, uh, maybe, uh, uh, uh, ability or versatility there. Where like, Turner and Witherspoon, yea, it's outside corner and slot.


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[Assistant] Right? Maybe some of these big corners though, you can go, Hey, you know, Kaylee Ringo, he might be able to be outside corner and now it's third down and we want him inside. It gets a big, uh, really Travis Kelsey, right? Right. Somebody like that. He's going to be able to do that. And if the team does run the quarterback draw on third and five or some run, he's going to be good tackling there too.


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[Assistant] You know, so there, there is some versatility, let alone some longterm.


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[Assistant] Well, it covers your ass when you have guys like this too. Cause then you go, oh you know what, he can't cover, he can't play corner. But hey, we can move him to safety. Right? And that could work.


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[Assistant] Kind of what Miami happened with Miami and Minkin Fitzpatrick, obviously, when we're on this subject. They kind of were trying to make them a corner.


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[Assistant] And a corner and a corner and it wasn't, it was just okay. It was just like not that great.


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[Assistant] And Pittsburgh was like, we'll take him, cause we think he's a safety and we're gonna make him a safety. And he's the best safety in football that way.


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[Assistant] Right? So now he does those things. He's covering a tight end man to man. He's at the traditional safety spot. He's down there as a dime linebacker maybe in some of that. So that's where those guys can have some versatility. Uh, maybe not so much in the coverage, the different cover, the different receivers aspect.


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[Assistant] Well, Cam Mitchell to me, I love Cam Mitchell just to hit on him because I think he's made for Nickel Corner. He's all about short area quickness, acceleration, and then he's got that pizzazz and fire. I like, what are you laughing at? You laughing at me and my outfit over there?


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[Assistant] Oh, I'm peach. Shut up, okay? Uh, you know, Cam Smith is the one that maybe I'm worried I'm wrong about. You know, he is for the taller, skinnier guy. He's got pretty good change of direction ability. Uh, he, he can run flat out for sure.


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[Assistant] You know, but do I question some of that change of direction stuff? Yes, I do to a degree. That's why he didn't make the top five overall. And I guess some of the positions he was put in, I just didn't feel comfortable with enough of what I saw there.


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[Assistant] Tyrell Smith, I really liked him. He was a, he was a pleasant surprise to me. You know, he's got a little bit of everything. He really does. Uhm, really good man-to-man skills, good jam, plays smart. You know, I wrote at the time, I was like, I don't like him more than the Oregon or Maryland kid.


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[Assistant] You know, he's up there and tied with the South Carolina kid. Like I told you, I was kind of going through alphabetical order. You know, I wish the ball skills were a little bit better, but he was good in and out of transition, plays a lot of bump man to man, and has very good hips. So, yeaah, these were guys that, especially Cam Smith and Terrell Smith, that I tossed around in my brain to


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[Assistant] And it is, it's like receiver. It's a little bit about what you like, what you're looking for and all that. So I know people are going to see it a little bit differently. Uhm, yeaah. You know, those are guys, to me though, and I'm usually


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[Assistant] I'm more about, hey, what translates to everything, right? All around. Right. Like, Joey Porter might be better than some of these guys at Seattle 3, but I wanna go, yeah, but there's 28 other schemes that I go, he's definitely not gonna be better than that. So I can't put him there. You know? Just to get back to that.


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[Assistant] You know, I, I, I want to end on the Joey Porter thing, because I feel like that's what, or not end, but I know people, last thing I want to say, what I wrote. He's long, he's strong, but he does not have great hips, and he lacks the overall twitch and explosion element you see from a first round corner. He does, he does not have great feet.


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[Assistant] He has to clean up his grabbing. You know, Penn State didn't really trust him in man coverage.


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[Assistant] He will be able to handle physical wide receivers or pass catching tight ends. Okay, so that's where I look at Joey Porter and no way do I see first rounder. I mean, no way. To me, he's like middle, late second round type of guy. We'll see. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. I've been wrong before and I'll admit it if I am. We'll see where it goes.


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[Assistant] There is. I think you look at top 15, 18 there, I go, ooh, that's a good group and they can all, you know, contribute to a football team. We even had a white corner that was, I would say top 15 for me. Riley Moss from Iowa.


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[Assistant] Okay. First off, I had to like double take. I was like, really? Is this guy really white? Like, do we really have a white corner? Yea, but then you


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[Assistant] And then you go pro player comparison and you go, Jason Sehorn, the only other white corner in the history of football. I don't know what else to go with. Uh, yeah, but he wasn't, and again, he was smooth, good athlete in a lot of ways, but yeah, there's a pretty good group, I think.


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[Assistant] And I obviously was wrong, as again, as we stated last week, that I should have had Garrett Wilson in there. That's where I was wrong. You know, I think if you had to re-rank it, you certainly would take Traylon Burks out there and put Garrett Wilson. I think if I went last year, Jameson Williamson would have been my number one. For sure. Yeah.


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[Assistant] He might have been my number two though. Above Watson. It would have been close. It would have been right around that range. Right. You know, flowers...


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[Assistant] Flowers has, has it all to me. Other than just the height that everybody really wants. But again, I don't think that matters anymore. I think it's an overrated thing.


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[Assistant] You know, you can move him around, and like we talked about in some of his player comparisons, Jalen Waddle, that type, I wrote Antonio Brown, and you even said Kaderius Tony, and I showed you in my notes, and I was like, I wrote


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[Assistant] No, he's not wrong with what he said there, and a lot of it, okay. He's a good player. Avery is a she, too, by the way. Oh, sorry about that, Avery. I'm sorry about that. That is a great question by you. Avery Johnson. Avery Johnson screwed it up for the name Avery. Seriously, what an idiot.


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[Assistant] How dare his parents. Um, but, alright.


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[Assistant] So, my thing is, small guy for sure, you know, ran 4-4-8, had a 1-4-9 10 yard split, was very good. None of that showed up on film. None of that, alright? So, here's where I'll go. Gets a lot of free, easy releases, always in the slot.


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[Assistant] Everything is a little too under control. Never really explodes off the line of scrimmage. Rarely shows any urgency running around.


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[Assistant] You know, and then I go, does he have it? Just doesn't seem to go all out. You know?


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[Assistant] Speed looks consistent with 40 time, probably would have guessed 44-5-ish. Shows ability to really stick the foot in the ground and cut as a route runner. Keep watching for sick yak or breaking ankles, but I don't think that's what he is. He never does that. He does nothing after the catch, actually. He goes down and gets tackled. You know, that's not an elite there.


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[Assistant] And then some of that shows again in the route running, you know, I wrote controlled, smart, good hands, good route runner, but, uh, and could be,


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[Assistant] Special, or first round special, or anything like that. Not enough pure physical gifts for a guy this small. So yeaah, I ended up writing third, fourth rounder, uh, ultimately for him. He's got good instincts, you know.


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[Assistant] You know, the, no, no 20 yard shuttle, no three cone drill, and I can see why on the film. He didn't want to. They're not gonna be good. You can, you can tell. You know, and then I wrote, needs to play with that more urgency and aggression, and the fact that he has no outside value hurts him too.


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[Assistant] He's probably a guy that I probably should have thrown in our honorable mention type of stuff. I put him down as a guy that gets, you know, I wrote 45 to 65.


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[Assistant] As a guy that gets, you know, he's big, he's powerful. Exactly right. He's, he's strong with the ball or running routes.


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[Assistant] Right? He's a little bit of a flat-footed runner, which, you know, is great for contact balance and like, you know, taking a little jam at the line of scrimmage and all that. He's got a little bit of a Juju Smith Schuster feel to him. I'm not going to say he was quite as good as him coming out.


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[Assistant] But that type of thing, you know, he, he of course can play outside. His speed is not gonna be this type of speed that scares anybody. You know, but his size and strength to make up for it in that department.


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[Assistant] You know, he's gonna be about strength, size, physicality. He's totally unaffected by anything physical. People bump him as he's running rounds, he doesn't even know. They're like gnats to them.


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[Assistant] You know, that's right in his wheelhouse. 50-50 balls are his. He's got really good strong hands, strong, tough, good route runner, good size, not real sexy, but I think this guy is going to carve out a role as a big time slot receiver in the NFL. That's where I really thought it was going to be. The route running and the toughness


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[Assistant] You know, it's not going to be just flying. It's going to be route running strength and kind of doing it like juju. That's where I think you're going to kind of see the value. Uhm, you know, got to think the ankle injury thing and all that's going to affect them.


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[Assistant] The route running, probably better than I gave it credit for at first, and especially when you take into the ankle injury and all that that went on.


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[Assistant] He's long, he's interesting, he's a straight-line, fast guy, but it's legit. You know, I talked about the guy from Louisiana as Downs, or not Downs, and I got so many damn names in my head.


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[Assistant] But I am intrigued by this kid as well. I am. I wrote him down as a little bit of a late second, third round pick. Right?


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[Assistant] Uhm, he can really cover some ground. He's a long strider, right? He's, you know, tall and long like we said there, right? He's built like almost like a Quentin Johnson.


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[Assistant] You're not gonna want him to be a move guy, a slot guy. It's make him an X receiver. If they play press man on him, throw him a back shoulder, a go route, or a slant route, right? Something like that. He's not gonna be the guy that runs the intricate routes and all that.


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[Assistant] He, the other thing I like about him, he wants to do something after the catch. He's got something here. I mean, he really does. Now, he had a horrible, horrible quarterback.


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[Assistant] He probably should have had another thousand yards receiving. I mean, he's open all the time.


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[Assistant] I gotta think he was one of the leaders in getting P.I. called against him too. I mean, it's one thing you notice when you watch games on him, you just go, oh my gosh, he's open a ton and either the receiver can't hit him or somebody pulls him down to the ground cause they're burned. Cause his speed I think is deceiving and he's a little like,


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[Assistant] The route running releases off the line of scrimmage. He needs to get a little bit better. Uhm, you know, and he's not the twitchiest guy in the world.


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[Assistant] But because of the threat of his speed to run by you, you know, he still can get open with some of the underneath routes, right? Size and strength undeniable, he's a force that way, and he boxes people out on 50-50 balls.


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[Assistant] Hey, to what you just said, I wrote, you know, he's along the lines T Higgins, Devontae Parker, Cortland Sutton, you know, route running can use work, overall I like him, he's tough, good hands, plays real big, go routes, back shoulders, slant at X is all he needs to do.


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[Assistant] The wide receiver at Louisiana you were thinking about. Exactly. Michael Jefferson. Jefferson, right. He's like him, he's maybe a hair faster, straight wise, but doesn't have the hips or route running that Jefferson had. We got one more name for you that the homies


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[Assistant] Running backs on Monday. Got it going on here. Oh my god. Have you even looked at running backs yet? No, I'm uhm, behind here. I'm gonna have a busy next few days. I think you might be able to skip the number one guy. Well, I know that guy for sure. Yeah, he's a stud. And he's a guy that I think if it's like 15 years ago, he's a top 10 pick for sure. But now with the way running backs are and everything like that.


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[Assistant] I know. I know. It's just the, that's the horrible thing about the running back thing right now. It really is.


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[Assistant] Uhm, alright. Everybody good? You good? I think we're good. Alright. We're good. You know where we'll be? We'll be back here Monday. Alright? I'm going home. I'm gonna get my body worked on. Then I'm gonna go home and watch Running Backs. I'm gonna start that. And you know what I'll be doing in the next few days. Running Backs are...


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[Assistant] Not the hardest thing to eval. Right? I mean, it's not where you gotta put a bunch of context clues together like DB, receiver, oh I only saw a few plays this game, let me go to the next game, and I mean, like running backs like, can this guy run through the hole? Can he break some tackles? Can he break some ankles? You know?


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[Assistant] Can he see the hole when it's there? Okay, he can. Let's go on. Let's move on to the next guy. How good was he at doing those things?


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[Assistant] It can be offensive line, scheme dependent, that's what's brutal about running back. Exactly right. You could be the best running back in football and if you're on a shit team, nobody will ever know it, right? Saquon Barkley a few years, think about that. I mean, two years ago, I know he wasn't 100%, but he was still like,


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[Assistant] Special in his movements, and he can never get a hold, so he looked like, oh, we gotta get rid of Saekwon next year. We don't need him.


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[Assistant] You know, so that's, that's where it is a little fickle, no doubt about it. You know where to find us, subscribe, rate, review, keep sending in the questions. Hope you enjoyed the podcast. Hope you enjoyed the corner conversation. Everybody be good out there. Ahmed Fareed, thank you so much for driving the ship. As always, you better wear your red pants on Monday. Clap it up.


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[Assistant] Yo, yo, yo, thanks for watching homies. It's the off season, but you know there's no off season for us here at Unbuttoned.


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[Assistant] How would you kind of pitch yourself? Like, you know, when you talk to these guys and what are your main selling points that you tell them? They're like, this is what I bring to the table.


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[Assistant] I mean, our, your season was over two weeks ago. We were happy for a week. Very happy, which I think trumps the everything. We were so happy. You were so happy. We've been partying for like three weeks now. Yep. That's good. Hey, nothing like you guys. The number two team in the.


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[Assistant] NFC North Division, we'll hang up a banner, you guys can be like the cults. We were in the upper half of the upper half of the NFC North.


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[Assistant] You guys are hanging banners. Man, you guys are like the nineties, you're like the nineties bulls over there.


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[Assistant] It clearly was. I love Brady when he gets like that. Go to the Lions? We were speculating. Okay. And then just the one thing I was trying to make clear to Mike a little bit.


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[Assistant] You know, because he was talking about love of the game and all that, and I'm like, yeaah, he loves the game, but like...


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[Assistant] He's not going to the Houston Texans next year, okay? He didn't love the game that much, right? That's where I think like, he's going to go to a team, you know, cause I hear all these teams throwing out and like some of them I just want to go, what? Like Brady, which will probably be his last year if he comes back, he's going to pick a team to go.


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[Assistant] I think we can get to 500. I think we'll get to the wild card round. I wanna come back and risk my 48 year old body.


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[Assistant] Get to the wild card. Forty-six year old. Forty-eight? I know, sorry, out of the few years. And I was just trying to make the point, he's only gonna go somewhere where the setup is, you know, like he had when he left New England and went to Tampa.


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[Assistant] You know, again, they were one of the, I threw some other ones, I'll hit it on it too, but just Detroit with the great offensive line, you can run the ball, the offense is set up, right? Like we've talked about. I wasn't trying to disrespect Jared Goff, he's done a great job and all that. We know the defense needs to get better, but I was just trying to say that. He's not going to go to somewhere where they're like,


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[Assistant] Well, yeah, if you guys get two or three linemen and free agency, and then, yeah, that should be pretty good, and that receiver, oh wait, I signed to the team and we didn't get those? Oh shit. He's gonna go somewhere, you know, again, that's where I even, I even was like, it's gonna go to a team that's like stacked. That makes sense. You know?


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[Assistant] You know, people bearing down on him about to hit him? Yea, you're right, I probably would take Jared Goff. Pocket clean? I'm taking Brady. Brady's throwing is still top notch. That's where I really am amazed by him.


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[Assistant] Doesn't pan out. Right? What if it doesn't happen? Right? You know? I mean, I know we all connect them to the Raiders a little bit. Yeaah. You know? Okay, well, they...


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[Assistant] They got some pieces and we know the coaches and all that. Is the defense ready? I don't know, but I'm with you there. If it's not the right spot, I don't think he just comes back to come back.


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[Assistant] And we'll see. I certainly like six weeks ago have been like, this is it, it's over. And here we are now, I'm going, I don't know. You know, it still seems like it's on the fence here.


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[Assistant] Had one three man rush where he bought a ton of time. He threw a great throw down the field.


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[Assistant] Right? And it got called back because of an illegal man downfield. The lineman was downfield. Now, like, so running around scrambling, maybe running for 10, 15 yard gains.


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[Assistant] Running outside the pocket, setting up and then doing the things we see him do all the time, right? Get out of trouble, now set up or he's kind of shuffling as he's doing it, backpedaling and then doing it. I don't think we'd see him much of that even if he was at full strength. I don't think we would.


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[Assistant] Now where he's gonna be need to be good, and again, we hit on this on Monday because we talked about Cincinnati. Cincinnati understands like all the things Coach Dungy or Bill Belichick have taught over the years on how to rush a mobile quarterback.


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[Assistant] You know, they, watching that game back against the Bills and everything, they do everything the right way.


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[Assistant] So they're good at keeping you in there. And then too, Ahmed, what they're good at is they don't run past the quarterback like we've talked about, right? Let's not have a defense end, just run by them, right? And then it's a, whoa, we got a huge gap here and he can just slowly move out to the right or left and find wide open people. They don't go past the quarterback. The other thing they're really good at Hendrickson and Hubbard is like,


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[Assistant] If you're the tackle and I'm Hendrickson and the quarterback's in there, let's say you're the right tackle, right? I'm the left defense end.


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[Assistant] They make sure they keep the outside arm free. So then they're, they push the pocket, they don't pass the quarterback and they keep the outside arm free. So why? As soon as he breaks, they can go, wait, I can get out there and I got an arm reaching already and it makes it hard. The movement is going to come in handy within the pocket.


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[Assistant] That's where I think it's gonna be crucial that he can move a little bit. Because the Bengals, as we've talked about, are phenomenal in pass defense. They're phenomenal.


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[Assistant] And in games like this, I think they're even better because they just get more specific. They take a few more chances because it's the playoffs and it's win or go home. And that to me is where he's going to have to be good.


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[Assistant] Can he move around and slide in the pocket to go, wait, nobody's open, nobody's open. Hey, you got to move a little because this guy's coming open. Okay. Boom. You throw it, right? You got to shuffle this way and just avoid this guy. Get back in the throwing position. Here comes the in cut to Kelsey, but that's where it'll be important. I don't think his scrambling or running, even if a hundred percent was going to have a huge.


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[Assistant] Because you saw my notes, right? And what was the one thing even back in week 13, and I think I even wrote in these notes too, was just that


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[Assistant] The plays we see Mahomes be surgical with and operate and go down the field, those plays, they were not there on a consistent basis. And that first matchup, and we said this at the time,


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[Assistant] It was the run game, it was screens, it was speed sweeps, it was screens to the receivers.


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[Assistant] A little smattering of drop back passes, but that was really where they gained a lot of the yards and put a lot of their drives together. It wasn't the typical, you know, Mahomes like we saw against the Jaguars on the first drive where you just went, whoa, I mean, he's moving, he's throwing and everything's going and it's clicking and it's all through the pass game. It wasn't that way. They struggled in that department.


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[Assistant] And to me, it's probably one of the reasons they started to go, wait, we gotta even dive more into the run game with this Pacheco thing.


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[Assistant] That would be huge. It definitely is. I would say this Chiefs of Line, I think is playing as good as it's ever played. So this, it won't be as easy for 3 to get there this time, nor 4 either. I don't.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the beauty of what the Bengals do here too, and where it's hard, cause you go, well wait, it's a three man rush, they should be able to do little things. Again, most of the times they wait for it's an obvious passing situation, so the run game is not really a third and twelve, third and eight.


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[Assistant] You know, you'd like to, oh okay, if I definitely knew they were going to rush three, maybe you take a chance on third and five or third and six, you do that.


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[Assistant] They usually don't do it until down in distances where they know like, okay, the, the draw or some cute run is out of the realm of calling the play here. All right. So, uh, then the other aspect of it is, is just what are they going to play? Like we talked about even last year.


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[Assistant] It's, there's so many variations. So it's hard to call a play. Hey, if I knew they were going to drop eight and it was always either Tampa two or cover three. Sure. We could package some plays together and figure that out.


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[Assistant] It's all over the place. It's sometimes man with guys just sitting there playing in the middle and waiting for crossers. Then it's, you know, a quarters coverage with an extra guy. And then it's a two man guy with a spy. And then it's, you know, and then it's cover three on the whole field except they put


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[Assistant] Um, flowers, number 33, man to man on Kelsey. So there we got seven guys playing cover three zone and all of a sudden it's man to man on just one guy. So it's hard to figure out, wait, what's the list of plays we go to here?


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it's a little, and I know we'll flip over to that side of the ball in a minute, but it's a little, I think because of that, as I was sitting there and going, cause I'm also, you know, watching the other side of the film and all that, but I'm going, yeah, they understand that we can't just line up on the same things or these good


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[Assistant] Offensive coordinators, offensive coaches and quarterbacks are just going to get to the plays that make sense there. So they change it up. You know, and within changing it up, yea, you give a play up here and there, right? That's why their defense isn't maybe top five in football or top ten in football, but it's conducive to playoff football.


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[Assistant] When the breakdowns are even more intense and the players and their, their, uh, you know, study habits during the week and the practice and everything's more intense and scrutinized and detailed and, and coaches will take a chance here and there cause they know it's win or go home. But yeah, I think that's probably an aspect of they learned that lesson, you know, the hard way.


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[Assistant] Where it's probably in camp, they were going, man, we're having a Tampa two day and they're just picking it apart. We can't just play Tampa two against Joe burrow. And then the next day, I think he probably toyed with it that way, but that's where they're very hard to get a feel for, especially when they get you in those passing situations. And that's where they have to be careful in this football game.


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[Assistant] They're awesome when they just, wait, if you just let them worry about pass, then you're not gonna beat them bangos.


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[Assistant] And that's again where running game, staying in some more third and threes and third and fours. So then, oh, you want to rush three? Well, maybe we do run it up the middle. Oh, you want to rush three? Maybe we throw a little screen to the slot receiver here and just get a few people to kick out and we get a five, eight yard gain, right? First down, great.


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[Assistant] That's where it's gonna be like staying in front of the chains will be important to their football team, uh, because you don't want my home sitting back there having to dance around and do all that on the bum ankle.


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[Assistant] I think they will. I think they will be able to run the ball. It's just how effective, how much will they run the ball?


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[Assistant] You know, I don't, don't doubt the effect of what this injury has on the yellow line.


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[Assistant] You know, again, we know this, we've talked about this a lot during the human psychology of football, right? You know how we always talk about in the Super Bowl, right? When they play a great quarterback and a great offense, the D linemen all week are like, all they're being told is, if you guys can't get there, we can't win the game. You guys gotta be like rabid dogs. And so by the time the game's coming around, they're like,


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[Assistant] They're ready to go, they're like cage animals. Well the reverse of that is what we're gonna see this week.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's, and then, and guys do rise to the occasion like that. I wouldn't be surprised to see them break out a few run plays that we haven't seen them do before, because they're gonna go, wait, we need a little more in this department, not only because of the Bengals, but because of our quarterback.


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[Assistant] And I think a lot of this often's the line, and they've gotten better in this department since week 13. Right?


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[Assistant] The Chiefs have gotten better as a football team. The Bengals have too, and I don't want to disregard that, but that's where it's an awesome matchup.


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[Assistant] I don't think these teams are quite the same as they were in 13. I think they were both like kinda on an upward trajectory like a real Super Bowl team should be and continuing to get better, right? And that's where it will be. And then again to, to the point you just made with the Bills too, I have a hard time thinking that the three is going to get there in two seconds like it did against the Bills.


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[Assistant] This O-line is very good. I'd be shocked if they don't protect them really well and, you know, have a few tricks or things ready for the Bengals defense. The other thing that jumped out to me in the game, and I know you probably saw this in my notes, just watching it back,


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[Assistant] The, the, the Bangos really played to stop the intermediate pass game.


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[Assistant] You saw that in my notes where I was like, they gotta do a little more to like, attack them and push the ball down the field a little bit. He had two plays down the field to Valdez Scantling.


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[Assistant] Height man to man coverage. But man, there was so many snaps where I wanna be like, I don't, I've never seen people play the Chiefs like this.


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[Assistant] I mean the safe, both safeties are at 9 yards, 12 yards. And they were kind of playing like, you know how I always talk about, you gotta take some risks every now and then, calculated risks. They were in certain situations going like,


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[Assistant] This isn't a down, they throw it deep. They're gonna try to get the 8 or 10 yard completion. And they played to stop that.


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[Assistant] But if you called some plays to go down the field, I would have gone, Ooh, I would like to see how they're going to defend that and how that was going to look. Yeah. Right. And I think they got to do some of that here in this football game too. You know, block it up, send some shots down the field. Don't let the bangles, you know, crowd the areas that they normally like to attack, you know, on a consistent basis.


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[Assistant] They do. And it's not that they crowd the line of scrimmage, but they crowd the intermediate. The Juju Kelsey area, right? You know, where we see them work, right? That's where they crowd it.


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[Assistant] And they're just always ready for that little element of, ooh, this guy, they might cross or the fake the cross and come back out or fake the cross, come back out. And then there's a, there's a 10 yard in cut behind it, right? That's where the chiefs get you. And that's where they went a few times and just said, no, we're going to play those areas because.


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[Assistant] We haven't seen them throw the ball a ton deep down the field outside the numbers this year and do that. And that's where the Bengals are, are scary. Cause they will take some calculated risks through their study.


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[Assistant] And, uh, it's, I would expect them to do, you know, some of that stuff once again.


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[Assistant] Well, one, he is true to his reeds and patient.


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[Assistant] I think that's the big thing. And Andy Reid even said this to me in my interview with him last Thursday. He's found the check down. He's comfortable with the check down. You know, and what he just means by that is the underneath route. You know, he got fixated, I think, back to the Super Bowl loss of the Bucks.


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[Assistant] Early part of last year with just, I'm big play my homes and we're going to push it. And man, it was just two years ago. I was throwing 50 touchdown passes and bombs all over the field, right? So I think that's where he's gotten better. One is just being patient, going through the reads, letting the system work for him is how I said it with Andy Reed, right? And then the other thing too, within that,


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[Assistant] Just that specific point is the mechanics of


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[Assistant] How he works the pocket, not only by, like, Dirty Monkey, this is a great question by you, by the way, not only because we haven't really dove in it, not only just working the pocket like, hey, we know he's a magic getting out of the pocket and all that, but we had moments last year where we broke down and went like,


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[Assistant] Orlando Brown got a pressure grade here. This is, he protected perfect. Patrick just


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[Assistant] Shuffled back into the guy to where the guy never had to turn the corner. He could just run straight up the hill and he's like, I'll meet him 12 yards back there. I mean, no tackle can protect that.


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[Assistant] Right? So Mahomes got better in that department, stepping up, finding that soft spot like Burrow and Brady are so amazing at, right? And then within that nuance, also staying in throwing positions where like, you know,


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[Assistant] I feel like if you went back to year one of him starting, year two, and even to year three, you'd see him maybe do some of those things, but like, he'd just throw balls like, ah, so I'm in the backyard, let me just swing it over here. Now he only does that when he has to.


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[Assistant] If you really broke down the plays where, oh, he moved in the pocket the right way and he's got a little time, he stays everything in line. And his front shoulder's tucked underneath his chin. And even watching him in warmups and throughout the year, how many times have I told you, just the quality of the football, right?


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[Assistant] It's because of the mechanics and all that. He's making all the 6 and 8 yard 10 throws very catchable. Perfect spirals on the money. So, Dirty Monkey, that was a very good question and I don't think we've ever really explained that and that's what I mean by like being good in the pocket.


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[Assistant] I just, I don't think their formula is gonna change a ton.


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[Assistant] Right. They'll have a few situations where I think like we'll hear what you, you know, it's third and nine. Oh, this is Kelsey time.


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[Assistant] Hey, let's play zone. We all know where 87 is, but let's put one guy on him. So it disrupts his release, all that. And then when Mahomes does spread out the zone and looks us all off, there, there is no zone. There's a guy there, let alone we're aware of where he is anyways within that zone.


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[Assistant] I think it's not going to be too far from what we've seen. You know, to me the big thing is in this matchup.


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[Assistant] And where Kansas, I mean, they're cool, Cincinnati.


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[Assistant] They always have another, they always have an interesting wrinkle almost every game, in a big game, where you just go, ooh.


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[Assistant] I never seen them do that, or I haven't seen them do that in a few weeks, and they didn't do it in the first half, and they broke it out in the third quarter, right?


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[Assistant] That's where they're different. We talked like, eh, we talked I think about the Ravens game a few weeks ago. Ravens game, the first half they were kind of playing bare-fronts, five-man fronts, doing all this stuff. Second half they went,


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[Assistant] Uh, we, we know how you're gonna, we think you're gonna like kind of attack how we lined up in the first half. So we're gonna line up differently in the second half. So you're game planning at first half to go, oh, we gotta get to these runs cause they're playing like this. Now you're going, oh shit, they're not playing like that. We gotta get back to these plays.


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[Assistant] That's where he's good too. It's kind of staying out of the herd. Just giving you one little thing to go, you didn't game plan for this or you haven't seen this in two and a half quarters and now it's here and now you got to make an adjustment to that too. He's awesome. Lew's amazing.


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[Assistant] Lose a big game defensive coordinator coach. He's shown it. As we're all learning here. Right, exactly. Dex Hill could play a bigger part if Trey Flowers didn't go. That maybe is the guy. I think that was going to go there. Maybe him or Jesse Bates. I could see one of those guys.


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[Assistant] You know, Daxhill makes sense. He could be that guy's safety-like, physical, not real big. He did. Dawson Knox. And he's got players. He's a player. So yeaah, you're right. I think that could be the guy if Flowers doesn't go.


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[Assistant] It just, every time, you know, there was a few plays in the game where you went, oh, Alan's gonna have something here. Cause it didn't happen much.


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[Assistant] It's like almost every time he dropped back to pass, somebody lost the one-on-one matchup. That was what was disappointing. You know, and you forget about guys like Joseph Assai, who they throw in there on third downs and stuff too. And then you go, damn him, Henderson, Humbert. Holy crap. It becomes a hard group to block, you know, but yeah, they're just.


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[Assistant] You know, and then their breakdowns are just, I think, special. Like we're going back to Lou. Their breakdowns are special as far as they always seem to take away your meat and potato pass plays, which they did against the Bills too. And then, you know, they're rare in that


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[Assistant] They're amazingly coached in zone and they're really damn good in man too. You know, they're probably better in zone than man, but when they play man, you still go, damn, that's, that's a good group right there. You know, Hilton, Eli Apple.


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[Assistant] Cam Taylor Britt and you go, oh damn, I mean, nobody's like ever outmatched. You know, you go, Ooh, they have an advantage, but they're not like, you're like, Oh gosh, they're in deep shit, right?


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[Assistant] You know, not like we were when they saw Jamar chase man-to-man against the Bills a few times where, like, even Romo made a joke. It's like, huh, he just man-to-man, they just throw it. Have you ever seen a guy just run guy, run past people like that? And like, the Bills had to hold him?


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[Assistant] So they don't have anything that they have to worry that way. I think I hit it all. I don't know if there's anything there that you saw in my notes.


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[Assistant] You know, they're gonna pick their points to double and do that stuff, but...


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[Assistant] You know, as you saw at the end of my notes too, Bengals always seem to unveil different blitz or some different look in the second halves. Bill, Bill's never gotten rhythm the whole game and, you know, they never made a play. DNs push the pocket, outside arm free, all the things you heard me say already. So yeah, I think we kind of hit it all.


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[Assistant] Big time. I think this game might have been another landmark moment for their defense too. How so? I think between what we said on the offense and I think they came away and go, wait, if we play these guys again, we gotta even be better at running the football. We can't let them play all these crazy coverages and just play past defense against us all the time. And I think this side of the ball taught them


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[Assistant] We have to expand our package here in this one too. We kind of hit on this in week 13.


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[Assistant] I feel like this was the moment where they started to go, okay, hey, rookie guys, younger guys, we gotta go to the next section of the playbook. Take the training wheels off.


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[Assistant] Definitely. Better, for one. You know, guys like Karlaftus I feel like are better now.


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[Assistant] Uh, but the big thing is, I think there's more trust within their secondary and them knowing


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[Assistant] The full scope of the playbook. To where they've gone into a little bit more of an advanced stage. My issue with them in this game, the first time around, if you remember, was more of like,


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[Assistant] Hey, I love Kansas City. Their disguises, all that, right? I like some of their stud playmakers. But for a guy like Joe Burrow, he was like, wait, it's All Out Blitz set hut, or it's show a crazy look.


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[Assistant] Set hut, drop to too deep, right? And that's just not enough for Joe Burrow. That's not enough. We learned that last week.


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[Assistant] He's just, oh, okay, okay, blue idiot, blue idiot, blue idiot said hi. Oh, I saw the safety that was down here looking like he's in a blitz. He's, he's going to two. It does seem like he like immediately diagnoses. He's amazing. He's, he's great. He's he, that's where he's, you know, he just, he's scary, surgical.


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[Assistant] Killer, whatever you want to say, but yes, he does it with his physical ability and his mind is, you know, a very high level mind too, to where he gets all the context clues together in a hurry and gets the team in the right play or goes to the right place with the ball.


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[Assistant] And that's to me is where that's got to change. Like they're showing looks where you go, Oh, let's run defense. It's run defense. But he gets a little clue to go, uh, it's not, they're going to drop the Tampa too. He's they'd run the ball, even though before the snap, it said nothing looked like run the ball, but he knew, and then they run for eight yards, right?


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[Assistant] So, that to me is where it's gotta change a little bit, and it has changed.


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[Assistant] And if it doesn't change and they don't mix up looks a little bit like we just talked about Cincinnati doing in my homes in Kansas City. Right. Then they're going to be at home and watching the Bengals in the Super Bowl for the second year in a row. Well, here's where it might not matter though.


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[Assistant] I think within these defenses I'm talking about, it's actually going to help that department out. That, that, that was one of my points too. Yeah. Cause if you're always going to, Hey, it's all a blitz. Okay. And then the other plays are covered too. There are these great run looks all the time.


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[Assistant] So, to where I go, wait, let's play some more aggressive defenses, like we just talked about with Luan Aruma, let's take a few calculated chances, where you go, okay, wait, if they call this play, yep, we might give a 20 yard gain, but I'm gonna bet they call the nine other plays I'm thinking of here, and we're gonna be good, right?


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[Assistant] So that, and then within those plays, I think you're gonna have some people, more people at the line of scrimmage, a little more chaos at the line of scrimmage. That was my big overview of the whole thing. It just is...


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[Assistant] Too easy, and there's gotta be a little bit more of that. And then to my, Alma, to your point, and I mean, that's really the number one thing.


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[Assistant] Are they gonna do what they did again last week? This Chief's D-line is better than the Bill's D-line.


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[Assistant] But like, I, I still, I'm watching back of that going, damn, three backups and they just, it was just...


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[Assistant] Those are compromised. That's the biggest thing to answer your question. I think we're where you're going here.


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[Assistant] I think it's a little, it's both there. It's the bangles all the way. The bangles blocked great. They did great. Definitely. But they had the bills in the bind.


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[Assistant] Where I don't think they can put the Chiefs quite in this bind and this goes back to what we're talking about here. The Bills knew they couldn't play man. They knew it.


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[Assistant] So, they always had a worry about, we gotta keep the safeties deep. You know, we gotta play zones, because if we, any of our corners are man to man on Jamar Chase, like the play we just talked about, Romo was talking about, I mean, it was gone. It was like, you could watch tape and go, they have no chance of covering Jamar Chase. Like, none. Right?


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[Assistant] First off, Kansas City's got some dudes outside that can run and cover. That they can trust a little bit. But because of that, and that element of they had to worry about that so much, they couldn't ever really go all in on the run. Or if they went all in on the run, they were going to be absolutely screwed in the pass game.


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[Assistant] And then, they're such a nickel football team, and because they're such a zone team,


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[Assistant] It's not like, oh wow, these are the greatest plays ever, but it's like, these are the right plays versus this defense. These would be the first.


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[Assistant] Two receivers to the left, tight end to the right, receiver to the right, right? The nickel back goes to the two receiver side, right? That's the passing strength. So that's over there.


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[Assistant] The bills, their adjustment, when you now, let's say that slot guy was Jamar Chase. Now he runs across the formation. Whether it's motion or they make it look like a speed sweep.


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[Assistant] Instead of trying to get everybody, hey, Tyron Johnson, get all the way on the other side of the formation and let's switch everybody around.


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[Assistant] What they would do is just go, wait, our two backers are in the middle, kick out, and now Teron Johnson plays the weak side backers spot. So maybe he switched spots now with, let's just say it was Edmonds at weak linebacker, Milano at strong linebacker. Now that motion happens and Milano at nickel back.


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[Assistant] You know, no, it's two great teams. It's come down to a play here, a play there. It's been so close. Speaks to how even they are, right? Either team can score.


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[Assistant] You're even like the week 13 game, the bangles are controlling and you're going, Oh, well, they're going to control the game and kind of put them in a really tough spot here. Oh, the chiefs made a play. Whoa. And then like, here we are. I'm watching the film 10 minutes later going, Holy shit. The chiefs have a chance to put them in a hard spot here to where they're not going to be able to come back.


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[Assistant] And then the Bengals make a play. And then you're going, okay, we're back to even again. It's just, these are two teams at,


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[Assistant] Like, have tremendous self-belief. They're led by quarterbacks who back down to nobody. And I think that's what you see from their team. And I think the biggest thing too, and I think a little bit of this goes into what I'm talking about. What we're hitting on our main thing here. The Chiefs can't get the lead and then go back to...


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[Assistant] Simpleville. They did that in week 13. They were down 14-3. We're gonna show some of these plays on social after, right? They were 14-3. Alright, the first two drives are everything we talked about.


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[Assistant] It was either like an all out blitz or it was covered too. And it was mainly covered too. And they just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, right down the field. Oh shit, we're down 14 to three. We can't do that anymore. They started to do some more exotic things on defense. Whoa, let's double chase. Let's do this. Let's blitz a guy, have a guy drop out, blah, blah, blah.


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[Assistant] And they got off the field, three and out, right? And then they came back and they got the lead and they were up 17 to 14 and they went, let's go back to that defense that we were down 14 to three with, right? You get conservative, let's all have a big play, right? Which I understand.


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[Assistant] But they're gonna have to find the blend of that. Because if you go back, I don't give a shit if you're up 10 or 14, and you go back to that Joey


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[Assistant] Cool is gonna take his offense down the field in a cool way and you're gonna lose the damn game. So they better do something. As we talk about with the Bengals, the Bengals would not sit back and just go, Oh, we're up by 10. We're just going to play cover two on Patrick Mahomes. He would still change it up and do different things.


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[Assistant] And that's where he's gotta learn the calculated risk, take a few chances, do some things that are a little creative that way.


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[Assistant] Chief's got more sacks. I know that. Correct. Right.


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[Assistant] I was gonna say bottom ten, I thought. They're a team that again, pressure, you know, complexity, illusion is what they use to pressure the quarterback, right? Okay, so.


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[Assistant] I don't necessarily know if they're gonna be ahead of them.


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[Assistant] Okay, no, I think the lie is Casey is better in interceptions per pass.


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[Assistant] You mean the Chiefs team or Bengals? Bengals team. Oh yea, they're both. I know, I agree. I don't think it is either. Yards per play. You were right on yards per play. Okay.


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[Assistant] No, I think again, that's where, you know, there are a little bit of, uh,


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[Assistant] The, the play, they're, they're main for the playoffs and the fact that


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[Assistant] You know, the little extra creativity from the coaches, they got that within them. Right. You know, and they know how to go all in on a game plan where, you know, maybe you can't quite go all that way in, in the regular season or all that. You know, just all, it is interesting. It is.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I also think sometimes these stats are skewed a little bit just because


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[Assistant] The teams weren't themselves early on in the year, right? They were missing DJ Reader for 10 weeks, right? That's a huge deal. Yep. So, some of that as well. And, and, uh, Kansas City, you know, again, I thought as the year went on, played better and better on that side of the ball.


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[Assistant] Again, it's, it's, it's, I understand what he's saying across the board. It's, it's not easy, you know, it's 10 games in a row. They didn't do it by luck. Okay. It's not easy to blow out teams in football. They're not a team that really cares to blow teams out too. That's the other thing where they're beautiful that way.


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[Assistant] They just play to win the game. They don't care about, that's why they're cool too.


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[Assistant] You know, we're here talking about Burrow, like he's lighting up the world with stats here. And I'm like, it's 200 yards last week and 243 this week, right?


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[Assistant] But they just, the big plays, big moments, do what we gotta do to win the game, and then they come away and we go, man, he's amazing, he's unbelievable, right? Which he is, I know that. But they're not into like, we're definitely just gonna come out and stick a dagger in you and we're gonna have 400 yards off. They don't play that way. They're a ball controlled,


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[Assistant] They match up with everybody. Even when they're mismatched, they kind of still match up. That's the beauty of their team too. And sometimes when you're built that way,


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[Assistant] It's hard to blow out teams. Teams that blow out teams are usually that have like a such a distinct advantage over another team in one area. They're kind of built evenly throughout. And I think that's what's impressive about them. But that's like true to the point here of


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[Assistant] You know, well, it's because he's a valid question and I understand that. But also to the question, I want to go, yeah, but they won three times in a row and nobody has done that to the Chiefs and my homes. Nobody.


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[Assistant] And it's personal now. I can guarantee it's freaking personal. And, like, to play the game of what we were just talking about with the Chiefs defense of


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[Assistant] Hey, we'll just, we'll play smart and sound on defense and we'll try to be more patient with them and one of our guys will make a play.


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[Assistant] That's what the last 10 teams have said against the Bengals. Yeaah. There's been 10 in a row that have all said the same thing. We'll just play, not to let Jamar Chase have a big play, and we'll wait till they make a mistake. Oh wait, Burrows 27 for 32 in the fourth quarter, and he's made no mistakes, we're gonna lose. No shit? No shit.


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[Assistant] That's where it's gotta, you gotta, and that's where Kansas City has got to do that this week. They gotta have some crazy zone blitzes, you know, play some man. They got guys that can play man against this group. Don't live in man. If you live in man, you're gonna, you know, be dead in the grave somewhere, but they can do it.


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[Assistant] And that's where the point is here to the question and that's something that people haven't disrupted with that bangles offense as of yet, especially here as of late.


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[Assistant] No, I think we hit it all. I think we hit it all, and uhm, you know, I hear, here's the, would the man, right? That's the last thing, because I was going there just a second ago, okay? Would the man, too.


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[Assistant] I'd like to see them play more specific matchup, man. You know, they're a little bit, yeah, they're a little bit like, hey, whatever receiver comes to my side, if they're in man, they just go, we cover them. I would go more like,


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[Assistant] Put McDuffie on chase. Or the guy you feel like is the best at turning and running.


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[Assistant] And playing the back shoulder, whether that's, you know, Williams, 23 or Watson, 25, whatever you put him on chase, find specific matchups exactly. Right. Like we've seen the Patriots do for years. Oh wait, big corner plays big receiver. Oh, this guy's jitterbug corner. He'll play their jitterbug. Right. That's to me where they got to go, you know, a luxurious need should play Tyler Boyd every time it's a like man-to-man situation.


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[Assistant] You know, whoever's the more physical one they deem better as far as the big corners I just talked about, 23 or 35. They're both 6'3 and like 190. Whoever's more physical, you got T. Higgins. And now the other guys got Chase. Like to me that's another aspect that


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[Assistant] Play to your guys strengths a little bit as far as who they cover and who they cover best. Don't just go, hey, it's man and whoever comes to your side, you know, come out there.


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[Assistant] But so we can not lie. The big butt of the week.


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[Assistant] It's not rare where you have the chief stealing, like they're the underdog. That's true. It's a new role for them. I mean, they are the underdog, right? They are. I know, they're officially the underdog, right? That's what I mean.


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[Assistant] Well, they can definitely, they're gonna be pissed at that group. They just, they got too much pride and they got too many ballers who love football.


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[Assistant] You know, that's the one thing you know. And I think between that, what you just said, and last year's AFC championship game, and then week 13, then Samaji, P Ryan running for 120 yards, like, you're gonna see,


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[Assistant] The Kansas City Chiefs give their best effort. Now again, too, what they gotta do a little bit is like we talked about, they gotta help them out a little bit. It can't just be, hey, four man line, we're playing cover two and we want you four guys to stop the six guys that are blocking you and not let the running back get yardage, right? That's not realistic anymore. That's cool against shit team in week seven. Not cool in the championship game against the Bengals.


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[Assistant] That's where again, I get into the defensive variety and things like that to help some of these guys make some plays and get some disruption. I have no idea who you're going to pick in that one. I don't, I don't get a feel on your lean.


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[Assistant] I got a lean. You do have a lean. I do have a lean. I'm not going to tell you though. And it is, I mean yea, this is, this is, we're on the fence. My butt crack is on the fence. There's some spokes that are in places that are making me uncomfortable, okay? Perfect time to talk about it in the Big Butt of the Week Awards. If you have just joined this


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[Assistant] I mean that, that's what's amazing. I, I, I, I, every week watch him in amazement and go, where does his power come from? Like, it's just, he's got the strength of a 290 pound man.


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[Assistant] I mean, yeaah, Pete's saying from his butt, he does. His explosion is the number one thing. Because he just gets people leaning because you're so worried about his speed that it causes problems. Uhm, but man, like I was telling you before the podcast, right? Watching that game back,


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[Assistant] I mean, that was one of the things I was impressed by. Dallas didn't sell out to stop the run as much as I thought watching the film. Alright. You know, Michael Parsons and the group up front, they played awesome. And Michael Parsons was all over Brock Purdy.


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[Assistant] And to what we said on Monday, like I had no doubt after watching the film back, the 49ers played conservative because they were like, we can't block these freaking guys up front. If we drop back too many times, one of these freaking guys is going to make a play. And we saw them come very close a bunch of times.


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[Assistant] My voting. I mean, really, you could give it to any one of those guys. I wouldn't be mad at anybody. I think I made both a 1, uh, Parsons 2, and I made Jones 3, I believe. Right, so that's where I had to keep forgetting that you have a vote on all of this.


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[Assistant] Thank you. Thank you for that. I appreciate that. But yeaah, I think those are clearly the three guys. I don't think there's anybody that was in their class this year as far as week to week just being man-childs all over


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[Assistant] But they are known to have like the fastest D-line and do all of that, right? And I don't think the 49ers played a defense like that all year a little bit, to where that was a little bit of a shock and adjustment by them all together.


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[Assistant] You know, but this, this, I mean, Mement305, I mean, yeah, and I appreciate you. You're always a consistent questioner here. I appreciate it. He's right. I mean, this game, come on.


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[Assistant] Now the other game we know has got some good players and all that, but maybe a little bit more about the skilled guys in the AFC. This one is about the trenches. I just, this is unbelievable. Are you talking about both of these offense and defense lines? We're talking two top five offenses.


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[Assistant] The top two defenses in football, and it's all based around their fronts. I mean, all of it. Their success on both sides of the ball is because they can dominate in those areas. So, you know, the war in the trenches.


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[Assistant] It's hard to say who's gonna win the war in the trenches. Now here's what I'll say just right off the bat, right?


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[Assistant] I don't think the game plan will be the same from the 49ers as it was last week, right? I think the 49ers realized last week, wait, Dallas, as we've talked about, it's not overly complicated. As long as we can slow down the run, we're gonna be good everywhere else. And that happened. This week,


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[Assistant] You can't sit there and go, well, we can play conservative offense because our defense will hold them under 20, right? There's no guarantee of that this week. So that's to me where, you know, again, where I think they kept it simple and conservative to not let that strip sack fumble, something like that happen. This week, I think,


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[Assistant] Anthony, I mean AJ Brown and Hertz aren't going to have a few big time connections and they're going to have a few run plays to where what I'm saying within that is I think the aggressiveness and the more creativity and pushing together more


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[Assistant] What actually could end up making them have more plays on offense altogether and maybe helping their own line out a little bit more to look better than what they did last week because it was so conservative. That makes sense. You know what I'm saying there? So that might be part of it.


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[Assistant] You know, it's not Dan Quinn who's gonna like know some of the rhythm of the offense and what Shanahan does. You know, I think the other thing is the Eagles are, you know, a little bit more of a variety of defense. You know, again, which can be a good thing or a bad thing, you know, because again, it's, it's, you know,


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[Assistant] The variety, and if Shanahan gets a little feel for, ooh, they like to do to this little variety when I get in these formations and this personnel, could lead to him drawing up some big time plays. Uhm, but like here's the difference in the challenges. One, there's just more versatility in the attack and in the front.


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[Assistant] Where the Eagles can get in certain D-line fronts where you just go, oh my gosh, they're gigantic and you're not going to be able to run the ball on them and oh, and there's five of them up there.


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[Assistant] Right? And then they can be in a fast defense. And then it's a four man front and a five man front. And it's, you know, one guy blitzing and one guy dropping. They do a lot of different things. They're different than Dallas that way.


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[Assistant] Dallas, you know the coverages you're gonna get in all of that. It was just, can we stop the chaos up front?


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[Assistant] You know, Philadelphia's defense as a whole is just better than Dallas. You know, it's better. They can, they're good in zone, they're good in man. You know, overall it's just a, it's a more expansive attack, I guess is what I would say.


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[Assistant] You know, all the guys were all like, it was like damn, everyone's 30 of 35 for 350 and three touchdowns and no interceptions.


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[Assistant] They stopped doing that. You know, this year, it was a little too conservative early on, but there was a few wrinkles. And as the year went on, they just became more complex and more complex, and you go, damn, they do a lot of different stuff. And damn, they're good at a lot of different stuff.


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[Assistant] And I think the thing is, one, a lot like Cincinnati, man or zone, they're great at both, right? You know?


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[Assistant] Now what they're special is they can get there with four, but they're not always content with four. They're very good at rushing five and playing proper zone coverages behind it to protect them from big plays and doing it that way, you know. And they're great at


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[Assistant] You know, also just like, oh wait, it's a five man front, and here it is, it's Fletcher Cox, and it's, uh, you know, Lin-Vell Joseph, and Hargrave, and then it's Sweatt and Hassan Reddick on the edge, right? And you're shaking your head because you're going, damn, those are some good names right there, right? And we're not even talking about Jordan Davis, who's just getting back in the swing of things, their first round pick.


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[Assistant] Then they get no sprints and you go, shit, we can't run the ball in that group.


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[Assistant] And then it's, oh wait, Hasan Riddick didn't rush and he's dropping back now, he's in coverage, he's good at doing that.


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[Assistant] Uh, oh wait, both guys on the edge drop, it's a three man rush. Oh wait, no, there's a backer that blitzed up the middle too, so it's a four man rush, but the two guys on the edge has dropped out, and now our tackles are sitting there trying to, wait, we gotta block those guys, oh shit, they're not coming, now we gotta readjust and try to pick up the blitzer and all that. Too late, poof, your quarterback's been shot and killed and dead.


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[Assistant] Right, that's the second guy that's died today here on the podcast. But that's where, that's where they're good.


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[Assistant] Hard to get into to me when I study them.


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[Assistant] Like I feel, as far as like, oh, okay, this is what they do, this is what they're gonna, they're, they do a great job of changing it up. You know, that's, hey, the, the, the Giants plays. Big fourth down.


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[Assistant] They're down 7-0, 4th and 8th. They rush 5, kind of play a cool coverage, get pressure on. Daniel Jones sacked, you know, sacked. End of the drive, you know.


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[Assistant] Next drive, or now it's 21-0 or 14-0. I can't remember one of these ass-kicking scores of the Eagles over the Giants. Now they're driving down. It's going to be the interception play, right? It's a four-man rush. Looks simple. Oh wait, one guy dropped, one guy blitzed. Oh no, he's not protected. Let me throw it hot.