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[Assistant] I can, I can get in that conversation with for sure. There'll be a playoff team for me in the NFC, which we're not doing here today. Final question before we get into our win totals for the AFC. It's about my Detroit Lions and Hard Knocks. Go Longhorns 45. Do you know them? I do. I've heard of them. I wonder, I wonder, I don't know who that is. I wonder.


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[Assistant] Wonder if it's an ex-player. Maybe. He goes, watching hard knocks. I get the feeling that Dan Campbell and staff have wound the Lions a little bit too tight in camp this year. Every practice, drill, game, et cetera, feels like the Superbowl for them. I get the need to create culture, but is this a typical tone for a camp?


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[Assistant] Now it's needed. I almost think it might be more of a balancing of things out because Dan Campbell's not the most serious guy, right? He'll make fun of himself. You know, he's not taking this all 100% serious. And so maybe.


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[Assistant] We're getting down and we're playing football wins and losses. I like the balance. It's been a, it's been a good show. I really enjoyed it. I think it's been one of the better ones in a few years. This is going to be a good show because this is the one that you can go back to on your podcast list and see if Chris was right or wrong. I wonder how I did last year.


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[Assistant] We don't check. We don't check. You know, we just go. We look forward. You know, if people ask us about that and if people ask you about that and bring up where you messed up last year, say, we're looking forward. That was about 500. Yeah. Pete says we did better in the NFC.


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[Assistant] So the Browns and the Super Bowl, that didn't work out. No it did not. That didn't happen.


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[Assistant] Have a win total at 8.5 or higher. Only 9 teams are like that in the NFC. So we got a lot of good teams here. We definitely do.


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[Assistant] And I don't want people out there counting, you know, oh, you went over on 10 and you went under only on six. That's mathematically impossible. That's possible. It is possible. I remember that last year too. It is possible.


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[Assistant] That way, you're right. Exactly. Cause if a team goes 17 and 0, that's over, but that's a lot of wins over the expected. So that means on the, on the bottom end, the math works out. Just trust us on that one.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the homies will not trust us on the math, uh, with us knowing that, but that's okay. Alright, let's start in the AFC East. This is always an interesting division.


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[Assistant] Patriots own this division for so long, but it seems like it's the Bills to own now for years in the future, as long as they have Josh Allen. So let's just go through team, team by team here. Uh, let's start with the Bills.


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[Assistant] Win total is 11.5. Last season they were 11 and 6. They were the 3 seed in the AFC. Yeaah. Alright, I mean 11 and 5.


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[Assistant] They are the favorite to win the AFC East. I think we have the division odds for each and every division here. So they are favored over the Patriots, over the Dolphins, over the Jets. Do we have that Kristen? Have we, have we shown that already?


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[Assistant] Oh, we did show it already. Sorry, I missed it. But here it is again. If you're watching on YouTube on our new page and subscribed, thank you for that.


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[Assistant] That's just some of the downside risk maybe for this Buffalo Bills team in 2022. The New England Patriots, they're at 8.5. Last year with a rookie quarterback, they were 10-7. They were a playoff team, sixth seed in the AFC. 8.5 seems kind of low maybe. It's right on the


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[Assistant] Do you see the Dolphins and do you believe them in this pre-season? Been some highlight plays. They got Tyreek over there to help your guy Tua, uh, take the next step as a quarterback. They were 9 and 8 last year. They were 4 and 2 in the division. That was better than the Patriots last year. They've just missed out on the playoffs the last couple of years. 8.5. Is there over-under? Over? I'm just going over.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, that's good. And week one's gonna be interesting. Week one against the Patriots, where if the Patriots win,


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[Assistant] James Kaminsky just walked by, a researcher here, huge Jets fan. Oh, huge Jets fan. So he's not going to be able to hear this, unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, depending on where you go here. There were four and 13 last year. Their over under is five and a half wins.


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[Assistant] My team in high school was not that good. And so it was the opposite. We'd lose the first couple. Yeah, you're right. And then we go, we don't believe anymore. But we would always look at our schedule and we'd go, man, we have a really tough schedule.


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[Assistant] Week 12 against Chicago after their buy. Or is that week 11? Oh yea, week 12. Two weeks after their buy.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so, uh, then against Detroit and then against Jacksonville, all at home. So, only favored in three. Three and fourteen. Yeah, that's scary. Not great. Okay, so do you want to tell us which teams are going to make the playoffs from this division? Or do you want to wait? Do you want to wait or not?


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[Assistant] Let's wait. Pete says let's wait. Let's wait. Alright, let's do it. Might have a few tie breakers here. You might, yea, you might have an idea. Right. Why don't you do this, if you're listening, not if you're driving, cause if you're driving, keep driving. Keep your hands on the steering wheel. If you're listening and they got a pad of paper, jot down who you think Chris is going to pick here for his playoff teams. Fun little game, maybe. You're just going to give the playoff teams, you don't want to get in the over


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[Assistant] No, that's your deal. That's your deal. AFC North, happy birthday. You get to do all the overrunners on win totals. Uhm, AFC North, let's take a look at the division odds first year. I'm curious to see this.


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[Assistant] Are your favorite right now to win the AFC North over the Bengals Super Bowl participant. Cincinnati Bengals, so it's pretty close. Plus 140 for the Ravens, plus 165 for the Bengals. Browns are their third, plus 450 and then Steelers last 850.


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[Assistant] Nothing like the plus two thousand we saw with the Jets though. That's interesting though. I don't think I would have guessed that, that the Ravens would be the favorite.


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[Assistant] They are just underdogs in three games this season. The Baltimore Ravens, the Las Vegas is believing in them. Those games, by the way, Buffalo at Tampa.


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[Assistant] Pete is writing furiously in a rundown and at Cincinnati. So those are some good teams that leads us right to Cincinnati here. They're over under is 9.5. That may sound low to you, but they only won 10 games last year in the regular season, 10 and seven were the four seed in the AFC and took that all the way to the super bowl. So.


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[Assistant] This is a tough one. The Bengals are a tough one because they maybe got there like a year early and you're like, wow, they kind of made a, they made two steps in one year.


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[Assistant] Did they take another step or do they kind of regress to the mean of what maybe they should have been?


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[Assistant] It is. We have seen that. It is. Many times. Yep. I know. Even with teams that won the Super Bowl. So uhm, but you're going over. I'm going over. On the 9.5 with the Cincinnati Bengals. Yes. The Browns. Just, yep, just over. 8.5, just over for the Bengals.


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[Assistant] Uh, Browns 8.5. They were 8 and 9 last year with a whole lot of turmoil. Now this is a tough one. And I'll, you've already let the cat out of the bag with, uh, one team. I'm going to do that too with the Browns. I ranked them as having the number, I think two roster in football. I mean, you probably have them top 10 ish, right? Yeah, definitely.


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[Assistant] I didn't pick them to make the playoffs though. Well yea, because there's quarterback question. There's just so much going on. There's just so much going on. Distraction. And you know what, they were, you know, they have talent on defense, like on paper, and that's what we did the exercise with last time. Like defensively, there's like, ah, those are some great names, and Miles Garrett's awesome, and J.O.K., you like him. But he said at the end of the year,


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[Assistant] We gotta come together as a team, right? Right. And I don't know. I mean.


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[Assistant] Maybe they can rally around this. It's a weird thing to rally around this whole offseason for the Browns. So, I don't know, that's just my two cents on the Browns.


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[Assistant] Going under for the Browns. So two overs with the Ravens and the Bengals. We got an under with the Browns. One final team in the North here. The Steelers, who have never had a losing season under Mike Tomlin. I love that streak. I know. I know. And I will be rooting for that to continue. Right. Even though I'm not going to pick them as a playoff team. They're seven and a half. That's their over under.


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[Assistant] They were nine, seven and one last year, just squeaked in to the playoffs as the seventh seed. We're not very good.


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[Assistant] But they got there, and with Mike Tomlin, they always seem to get there. They figure out a way.


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[Assistant] We'll start with the odds here in the South. This is interesting too, because I think this might be surprising to some people. Maybe not.


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[Assistant] Titans don't always get a whole lot of love out there outside of Nashville. It's amazing, right? Uh, so they are not, even though they were the one seed last year, they've been good for a while here. Derek Henry hopefully comes back healthy. Uh, they are not the favorite to win this division. You got the Colts there at minus 135, the Titans at plus 175, Jaguars at plus 700.


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[Assistant] So a little love there for the Jaguars. Maybe they've been listening to Chris Sims talk about them here on Unbuttoned. And the Texans at plus...


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[Assistant] Alright, so the Colts. We'll start with them. They are the favorite. Are you surprised they're the favorite, first of all?


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[Assistant] I'm putting my finger on it. That's what I was, I was trying to think when you said that, I was like, that doesn't, I was like, that's close. But, finger, right? Yes. But your whole hand, why, why can't you put your whole hand on it? Yeah, right, now I totally got my whole hand on it.


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[Assistant] You're that confident I'm putting all, all five fingers on it. Uh, that's interesting. The Colts are a tough one because you want, I mean, everyone's got them as a team that could even be in the super bowl this year. You feel like the love maybe has gone a little too far with the Indianapolis Colts. So you're going under on 9.5.


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[Assistant] So under the 9.5, over under win total. Titans have the same one, 9.5. I'm feeling you're gonna go over.


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[Assistant] High on the titans. It's Peachy84 is as well. He goes, as a titans fan from New Zealand, I'm super hyped by what Malik Willis has shown. You too?


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[Assistant] The Jaguars, we think the future is bright for them. You do. You liked what you saw when you saw them up close and personal at the first preseason game of the year. 6.5. That's an aggressive over under on the win total because they only had three wins last year.


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[Assistant] What do I wanna do? Why didn't they just make it at 4.5 to make it easy for you, right?


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[Assistant] Six and eleven. So I was looking at this. Yea. So the last time, and of course they're playing one extra game now, but the last time they won seven, so to hit the over. Yea.


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[Assistant] 2017, they went 10 and six, but the time before that was 2010. So we're talking once a decade here, basically. I'm going to go with.


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[Assistant] Alright, so if you took the aggressive over on the Jaguars, you're gonna have to be harsher to some other teams here, I feel like. I know. Maybe the Texans are that team.


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[Assistant] This year, they are a Pick'em in week 17 versus the Jags.


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[Assistant] Under on the Texans, even though it was just 4.5. Alright, we're getting close to your playoff picks. We're getting hints along the way, but one more division to do. That is the AFC West. Take a look at the odds here. Chiefs, Chargers, Broncos.


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[Assistant] You know, a couple of those teams should be improved. Wow. Look at the odds here. If you're listening, you can't look, but I'll help you out. Chiefs are the favorite, but only slightly. Plus 175. Chargers second choice at plus 200. So, so close. Broncos right there too, plus 300. And Raiders still in the mix at plus 600. Wow.


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[Assistant] Alright, so you're going over on the Chiefs. The Chargers right there with them. Ten and a half is the over-under. They did win nine games last year, just barely missed out on the playoffs last second to the Raiders. Ten and a half. I know.


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[Assistant] With the Broncos. A lot of changes in Las Vegas as well. New coach over there. 8.5 is the over-under. They won 10 games last year, squeaked into the playoffs, beat the Chargers, got the five seed. 8.5. Seems low. I know. But it's a tough division too.


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[Assistant] They hit on the draft, and they just haven't done that. I think it was almost a small miracle they made the playoffs last year.


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[Assistant] That's it. We did. Over, under, on the win totals. Now it's time to put pen to paper.


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[Assistant] Math checks out. Look at that. Alright, so let's do it. Your seeds. Yeaah. The two buys. Right.


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[Assistant] They're gonna be interesting to watch. Uh huh. Alright, so I did pick here. Awesome. Here's where I put my neck on the line. Good. Uh, A line. A line. Uh, my division winners. I'm taking the Bills. I'm taking the Bengals to win the division. Alright, cool. Uhm, I'm also taking


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[Assistant] The Browns, I was like, man, that roster's so good, it's just got too much going on, too much turmoil. Too scary. They were my first, they were out, Tennessee was my first team out, and then it was Cleveland after.


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[Assistant] I skipped all the way ahead to the AFC championship. And so my AFC championship game will be the Bills versus.


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[Assistant] The Los Angeles Chargers. The Chargers have made it. They, you know, they've made it. They revamped that defense. The fourth, uh, down go fort gunslingers. They work out more for them. That all balances out and I'm taking the Chargers to take a big step.


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[Assistant] I think so. Yeah. They're home when they're dome. Yeah. Okay. Exactly. Home when they're dome. Yeah. No place like home. Chargers and bills. I'm going out on a limb with the chargers here. Although I do feel like they're going to be a sexy pick and that's always a problem.


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[Assistant] But you know what we're not waiting for? What's that? Finally celebrating in proper fashion. 42!


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[Assistant] Ladies and gentlemen, if you're watching on YouTube or if you're watching on Peacock- Oh my gosh! Chris thought it was gonna be a-


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[Assistant] A man was scared by a cake in the hands of Morgan. A man who's had a gun to his head multiple times this podcast was freaked out about a cake. I know, right. The cake's way messier. Way messier.


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[Assistant] Well, none of those things happened. Christopher made it, he survived, and we are here for another edition of the Joint Megapix Podcast. Maybe I went streaking, you don't know.


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[Assistant] I think you probably would have been arrested or it would have been like a UFO sighting, like big giant white person, naked stork running around. Like it would have been, it would have been something that would have resulted in a police report other than the usual streaking. Like we don't know what this is, this alien life form that is


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[Assistant] Showed up, uh, in the Meadowlands parking lot, but you had your family with you. There was only so much you were going to get away with, with your wife and with your kids, uh, in tow.


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[Assistant] And I'm sorry that you went to a game and had to actually experience your favorite team losing, however, it saved my ass in the all-important picks.


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[Assistant] We're tied straight up on the season. I am catching up, speaking of ketchup, to you against the spread. Best bets. I'm one.


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[Assistant] Just, hey, hey, you know, if I flipped every single one of them,


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[Assistant] I would be doing pretty well right now. Alright, let's see if we can turn it around this week. And you got a bad back right now.


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[Assistant] It's just all bad. It's all bad right now. Maybe the bad back, maybe there's the source of football wisdom burrowing around at the base of my spine. I hope not. It still hurts.


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[Assistant] All odds provided by Bet MGM, Thursday Night Football, Dolphins at the Bengals, Cincinnati, 4 point favorite, over-under of 47. Chris, who do you like? Did you say Cincinnati? I like that. Yes, I did. Did you say Bengals? I know you're going to.


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[Assistant] No, I've just, I've heard it referred to before as Cincinnati. Maybe by your dad when he used to call games. Maybe he said Cincinnati.


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[Assistant] Bengals are 1 and 2. They're back home for the first time since week 1. They should be 2 and 1. Could be 3 and 0. They had the Steelers beaten. They had the Cowboys beaten. I thought they were going to blow the Cowboys off the field. That's one of my various failed best bets. But I think tonight


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[Assistant] The Dolphins, not as good as 3-0 would suggest. I know we have them at the top of the power rankings, a few breadcrumbs there, a few treats for the Dolphins fans that want to enjoy this great start, and hey, they are 3-0, you are what your record says you are, but they shouldn't have beaten the Bills.


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[Assistant] Pulled a rabbit out of their ass to beat the ravens. I just feel like tonight, short week, making the trip.


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[Assistant] And, uh, you know, we talked earlier on PFT Live about over-under. We're both right on the cusp of that 47. You're on it. I'm over it. I don't know how I feel about how high-scoring the game is gonna be. I'm hoping it's even more than what we've picked, but our sense is right in line with where Vegas is.


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[Assistant] By way of picking that middle ground where we really don't know which way it's gonna go.


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[Assistant] Alright, uh, so we both are on the same page. Bengals to win, Bengals to cover, which of course means the Dolphins will win easily based upon how we've been doing so far this year. Let's go to London.


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[Assistant] 930 a.m. Eastern Time on Sunday, the first of four overseas games this year, all of which will be Sunday Morning Affairs, I believe, which creates


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[Assistant] You know, an exciting day because you take a game that otherwise would be in the cluster at one o'clock eastern and you break it out and you get to watch it and focus on it, although we don't get to fully focus on it because we have other things to do, but it's better than having it in that mess of other games.


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[Assistant] At the Saints, although not at the Saints, Saints breaking out the black helmets, Vikings three point favorites, over under a 43 and a half.


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[Assistant] I picked the Vikings to win when I was doing this last night. Now the spread I was operating off of I think was two and a half or two, so Vikings2421 had me on


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[Assistant] I don't know about this though. I could see it being a push. I could see it being a three point game. The Vikings are fitting their narrative.


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[Assistant] And I think that, that the Vikings will rise up in this moment. It's not at night. It's not prime time. So Kirk is, is insulated against that dynamic. I think the Vikings find a way to win this one 2420, maybe ugly like it was last week, but I, you know, I don't know where James Winston is.


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[Assistant] He's banged up, and as I said before this season, somebody's gotta replace Sean Payton, and I've yet to get a sense that someone has.


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[Assistant] Look, Jameis Winston missed practice on Wednesday. We're taping this on Thursday. On Wednesday, the story from the team was, it was a rest day. He didn't practice again today though. He's got back injuries, he's got ankle injury. Michael Thomas didn't practice either day. That makes a huge difference. If Winston doesn't play, even though Winston hasn't been great,


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[Assistant] Andy Dalton, back up for a reason. Taysom Hill may be able to play. He got banged up week one, I believe. Hasn't played much of it all since then. Haven't heard his name, I know that. If he's been playing, he hasn't been doing anything.


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[Assistant] That was a few years ago. It was a lot of different players ago. It was different coaching staff ago.


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[Assistant] You know, this Viking Saints is a sneaky good rivalry in the NFL.


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[Assistant] They get together every once in a while, every other year, something like that. They've had some good games in the past. They've had some memorable games. I think the Vikings steal this one, but like you said, it's a coin flip. It's not anything I would ever consider betting on. Let's move to one o'clock Eastern on Sunday.


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[Assistant] Cleveland Browns at two and one should be three and oh sorry, but they should be their one and a half point favorites on the road at Atlanta. The Falcons won in Seattle in week three over under a 48 and a half. Chris, I'll start on this one since I already put my score in.


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[Assistant] This is one of those, and I'm starting to question my questioning of when I see the line, but this is one of those I look at and I say,


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[Assistant] Why are the Browns only favored by one and a half points? Yea. I mean, I know the Falcons aren't horrible, but...


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[Assistant] The Browns are kind of hitting on all cylinders, they're methodical, they're running the ball well, they're in a good rhythm, they're in a good groove. Yea, they may not have Myles Garrett, but Myles Garrett didn't do anything last Thursday night against the Steelers. That offense just grinded out, grinded out, grinded out, run the ball, they had a few extra days to recover.


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[Assistant] They know these wins now are money in the bank for whatever happens when Deshaun Watson comes back. This just feels like a game that the Browns should be able to win easily. I've got Cleveland 27-20. Maybe it won't be that close. Who knows? They had that garbage time touchdown last week that


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[Assistant] We broke it down on PFT Live on Wednesday. The Bills, Dolphins game and the Chiefs Colts game.


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[Assistant] How the Chiefs and Bills should have won, should have covered in both of those games, but it's this, it's this, it's this, it's this, it's this, it's this, and it flips, and that can happen in any given game, and it feels like that's happening more often this year, where a team gets outplayed, but


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[Assistant] He don't shine shoes no more. Alright, Bills at Ravens.


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[Assistant] Buffalo, a three point favorite over Baltimore. And as we said during PFT live, Lamar Jackson has been a home underdog twice in his career and he's 2-0 against the Patriots in 2019, Chiefs in 2021, over under 51 and a half, highest over under the week. Bill's trying to recover from


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[Assistant] As you said so eloquently this morning, shitting down their leg and pissing down the other one against the Dolphins. No, that was the Browns in the Jets game earlier from the year. Right. Either way, the Bills did the same thing. They should have beaten the Dolphins. They didn't. Do they recover from last week? Go to Baltimore where it won't be 187 degrees and win the game.


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[Assistant] I don't know why I feel like it's going to be a little close in that. I think the offense of the Baltimore Ravens, eh, you know, a little garbage time touchdown. You never know. You never know. Those weird seven point swings that happen either for the team that's ahead or the teams behind it screws up everything as we see time. And again, it's part of the fascination of trying to figure out what's going to happen in these games. We move on to the Washington commanders at the Dallas Cowboys.


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[Assistant] Dallas, a three and a half point home favorite. They got the short week, played in New York, won the game over under 41 and a half. Cooper Rush getting another start. He's 3 and 0 as a starting quarterback. Dak Prescott doing everything he can to get back. Carson Wentz versus Cooper Rush.


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[Assistant] The quarterback matchup, we never thought we would be so intrigued by, and I don't know how intrigued I am by it, because I think right now the Cowboys are firing on all cylinders. This is another one I look at and say, why is it only three and a half? The commanders have looked like shit.


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[Assistant] So far this season, even when they won against the


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[Assistant] Jaguars, somehow, in week one, they didn't look great. Carson Wentz hasn't looked great. What am I missing here, Chris? I got Dallas 30 to 20. I think this is a team that is starting to find its rhythm, find its groove, and is stepping into that dilemma that Jerry Jones has been trying to speak into existence as to who to play at quarterback.


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[Assistant] Is that the best way to play against the Washington defense three yards in a cloud of dustup?


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[Assistant] I got 30 to 20, alright, we're on the same page again, which used to be comforting and now is very concerning to me. Seahawks at the lion.


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[Assistant] Seahawks 1 and 2, Lions also 1 and 2, Detroit a 4 point home favorite over or under of 48, DK Metcalf stirring things up a little bit yesterday with Jeff Okuda. Okuda's been getting a lot of kudos, see what I did there? Yes, very well done.


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[Assistant] They're saying how great he's playing. DK said he's getting help over the top. He's not shutting these guys down. He's not locked down corners, getting safety help. He's not going out there like Deion Sanders and playing man to man and taking away half the field.


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[Assistant] I'm embellishing a little bit. Yeah, but I know. Metcalfe said he's getting help over the top. So he'll probably get help over the top against DK Metcalfe or Tyler Lockett. Who comes out with the victory in this one? Detroit or Seattle, Chris?


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[Assistant] I got the lions 2320. I am doing the Chris Sims needle thread here because the Seahawks are getting four. I rarely, I just, I'm not comfortable with a


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[Assistant] One thing after another for the Chargers. Remember before the season we talked about it.


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[Assistant] It's always something with the charters. And once again, it's injury after injury after injury after injury. Can they pull it together? Can they hold it together? Can they avoid falling to one and three against a Texans team that is desperate to get a win? Five point favorites over under a 44. Who do you like?


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[Assistant] This is one where my first thought was, get right weak for the Chargers, right? This is get right weak, they're far better than the Texans, the Texans stink, the Chargers, but look, there are deeper flaws in this Chargers organization. There is dysfunction there, dysfunctional teams do dysfunctional things.


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[Assistant] I love Brandon Staley as a coach and I think he'll do great in his second shot at being a head coach. I feel like it's starting to crumble. Just everything we saw last week.


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[Assistant] Is Justin Herbert gonna play? He's playing. They're getting the shit kicked out of him. He's still playing. Why is he still playing? Why is he still playing? Why is he still in there? Why are all these injuries happening? I feel like they're gonna clean house when this season's over. And I just feel like, you know, even though for a normal team, this is Get Right Week,


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[Assistant] I feel like chargers are in this funk where they cannot get out of their own way.


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[Assistant] Tennessee Titans finally get their first win of the season at home against the Raiders. The Colts get their first win of the season at home against the Chiefs. They host the Titans. Remember that was the game last year where we suddenly took the Titans seriously and then we found out a day or two later Derrick Henry had a foot injury and he wasn't back until the postseason. But the Titans are


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[Assistant] Is this right? They're three and a half point underdogs at Indie? Is this right? Is this line right? They're three and a-


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[Assistant] The Titans are three and a half point underdogs at Indy? Get the hell out of here. I'll start. Titans 24, Colts 17. This is easy to make. This is one of my best bets. Titans getting three and a half at Indy? Well, what has Indy done this year that has caused anyone to think they should be three and a half point favorites against anyone? Yeah, they beat the Chiefs, but they, they, they pulled nine rabbits out of their ass.


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[Assistant] Right next to the four rockets up the ass that Chris likes to insert. I mean, it was one thing after another to keep the Colts in that game and let them win it.


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[Assistant] The Titans have won a game. They're finding their rhythm. They know how to win in Indy. Jonathan Taylor's banged up. He missed the first practice ever of his football career. And, and who knows how healthy he's going to be come Sunday. I think the Titans win this game and I still think this is a mistake. I don't see how the Colts are three and a half point favorite.


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[Assistant] Hey, they overpowered the Raiders last week! Give it to Derek Henry! Give it to Derek Henry! Give it to Derek Henry! They finally figured that out!


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[Assistant] Week 2, I picked them as a best bet. What did they do, Chris? For the drive-thru! Week 3, I picked the Chiefs as a best bet.


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[Assistant] Now wait, I'm very confused here, and this is extremely important and we must get to the bottom of this.


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[Assistant] The Giants still have NY as their base helmet logo, right? Right. Did that change and I missed it? No. Because they had Giants on their helmet on Monday night. Yes. On the bright blue helmet. Right. So they're putting Giants on an old dark blue helmet? They're gonna wear the old dark


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[Assistant] I think they may be taking some liberties with the whole alternate uniform thing, but that's a different issue altogether. I like the Giants to win 20.


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[Assistant] To 14. They did not. I, wait, am I looking at, they did have the NY helmets? They did?


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[Assistant] I must be looking at the wrong year. I'm looking at the- I- I- I- Oh. Wait a minute. Alright, nevermind. I don't care. They did have the NY helmets. I found a picture that I thought was Monday night. I guess it was when they played.


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[Assistant] The cowboys another time and they wore the giant's helmets. Nevermind. Uh, alright, I'm less confused now.


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[Assistant] What the Bengals went through last year, they kept beating teams who weren't taking them seriously. The Eagles need to take them seriously with Doug Peterson coming back with a team that's got a great defense and improving offense. Chris, I know you're gonna say the Jaguars cover. The question is, are you gonna say the Jaguars win?


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[Assistant] I think because it's Doug Peterson coaching the Jaguars, the Eagles will be more on guard than they otherwise would be. They know a thing or two about Doug Peterson and how he does things, and I think that will help them.


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[Assistant] Philadelphia Eagles win the game 30 to 26 should be a great game this weekend. And if you're not paying attention to this one, what's wrong with you? Because even though, and again, it's Jaguars. We look at the Jaguars.


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[Assistant] And it's gonna take some time for us to process it. They're not supposed to be good. No matter how good the players are, no matter how much they achieve, we look at that helmet and we just say, yuck.


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[Assistant] Just like with the Bengals last year, Chris, and it took you all season to come along. You looked at that, that, that uniform early in the year and you're thinking, these are the Bengals that still aren't very good. And they kept winning and they kept winning and they kept winning. And I think that's a real factor. As these players show up and they look across, you need to take the Jaguars seriously. I think the Eagles will. By the way, by the way,


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[Assistant] They did wear giants on the helmet. Pete's favorite- I thought so. And they did wear giants. Shut up.


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[Assistant] I checked it while people- I was there in person!


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[Assistant] Jets at the Steelers. Jets at the Steelers.


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[Assistant] Uh, Steelers are three and a half point favorites. Wait, is that what it is? I'm looking at the wrong seat. It's three and a half still. Three and a half point favorites. Three. It's down to three. They're betting the Jets, apparently. The line is moving from three and a half to three. Uh, Mitch Trubisky, maybe short leash, hot seat.


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[Assistant] Zach Wilson, Milfinator, back in the lineup for the New York Jets.


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[Assistant] This is, let me go first, Boston Meatballs time.


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[Assistant] I don't see how in the hell the Steelers lose this game because they've got Murderers Row coming up with the Bills, the Buccaneers, the Eagles, and the Dolphins. They know what's coming. They gotta win this game. They got a couple extra days to prepare. You've got Brian Flores on that staff who


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[Assistant] Find a way, Steelers, to win the game, and then brace yourself for what's coming, week 5, 6, 7, 8, before you get your Schlemio Schlamazel bi-week, in week 9, and you may be 2 and 6. If you don't win on Sunday, you may be 1 and 7 at the box.


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[Assistant] Alright, that is a very thin needle that you are threading there. I got Steelers to cover. Steelers by 10. Let's take a break. When we return, the late afternoon, Week 4 Sunday games, including


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[Assistant] Aaron Rodgers versus Bill Belichick and a Josh McDaniels revenge game as the Raiders host the Brawcos. More PFTPM and Chris Sims unbuttoned right after this.


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[Assistant] PFTPM Chris Sims Unbuttoned Joint Megapix Podcast for Week 4 and for the second straight year.


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[Assistant] Up and down, twist and shout, who knows what they have. They lost to the Rams in week three. Can they go to Carolina and get a win and send Kyler Murray to 2-0 against his good buddy Baker Mayfield?


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[Assistant] Yeah, look, I, I think that the Cardinals, uh, they're gonna be up and down all year long. They're gonna be good, they're gonna be bad.


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[Assistant] They're going to get it done. They're going to not get it done. They were 10 and three last year. They're one and two this year.


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[Assistant] I just feel like collectively they understand the stakes. Yeah. I think they can take the show on the road and pull off the victory. I don't know what happened with the Saints last week, although I did pick the Panthers to win.


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[Assistant] I feel like I'm being unfaithful to the Panthers after trusting them last week to beat the Saints. I just think that this is a situation where the Cardinals get their shit together, take it to Carolina, get a win, reestablish themselves a little bit until they falter next week.


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[Assistant] 27-20 is my pick for Arizona to win. Chris, you picked Carolina, but you haven't given


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[Assistant] Alright, uh, next up on the docket late afternoon window, there's only three games in that late afternoon window this week. Patriots at the Packers. Green Bay is a nine and a half point favorite. It is the biggest spread of the week, thanks in large part to the fact that Mac Jones is likely out, Brian Hoyer likely in. Can Bill Belichick do enough at Lambeau Field, maybe for the last time ever in his career?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I got Green Bay 28-20. I've gone back and forth on this. I could see Green Bay covering. Uhm, this is not one that I would even consider as a best bet. Cause I think the Packers win.


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[Assistant] But I could see the Patriots keeping it close. Ergo, 2820 is my pick. It's a big spread. It's too big of a spread. But, but that doesn't mean the Packers won't easily cover it if they just show up and have one of those classic Green Bay Lambo leap days.


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[Assistant] They, I believe, will have everything mustered and harnessed and ready to go to do what they have to do to beat Russell Wilson and the Denver Broncos. The Broncos have not been great.


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[Assistant] Jimmy Garoppolo handed them that game on a silver platter last week. The Broncos offense has been sluggish. I know the Raiders defense isn't great, but I think this is a game where things finally start to click for Derek Carr, Devontae Adams, who actually isn't leading the team in receiving yardage, Mack Hollins is.


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[Assistant] I just feel like this is one of the ultimate all time, we must find a way to win this game, whatever it takes, and I think the Raiders will.


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[Assistant] I got 24-17 Raiders over the Broncos, so we disagree again. We'll take a break. When we return, Primetime, including Patrick Mahomes versus Tom Brady on Sunday Night Football.


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[Assistant] Destination for the game still to be determined, but we know it will be Brady and Mahomes. We'll discuss that when PFTPM and Chris Sims on Button continue right after.


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[Assistant] PFTPM, Chris Sims unbuttoned, a joint Megapix podcast, week four, primetime, all odds provided by Bet MGM, Sunday Night Football, Kansas City Chiefs at the Buccaneers, whether it's at Tampa or in Minnesota, big factor.


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[Assistant] We do know that the Chiefs are currently a one point favorite over under a 45. Chris, who do you like?


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[Assistant] I, uh, I guess I can see it being 24-21 late. I trust the Chiefs to get a touchdown to win the game.


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[Assistant] 28-24. This is a toss-up game for me, though, and hopefully it'll be an exciting close game wherever it may be played. Monday Night Football. Rams at 49ers, one of the best rivalries in football. The 49ers have had their number, except when it matters most, in the NSC Championship game. San Francisco at home, one and a half point favorite with an over-under of 42. That seems like a low over-under.


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[Assistant] For Rams 49ers. Maybe I'm wrong. Chris, what do you think?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I remember these two teams playing on the Monday night last year when it was Vaughn Miller time, it was OBJ time.


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[Assistant] And what happened? The 49ers obliterated them. Right. I think the 49ers win. I'm doing a...


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[Assistant] I'm doing a needle thread here. I'm doing the 49ers win 28-27. Rams cover, 49ers win. Kinda splitting the baby here so I win either way. Cause I doubt there's a way I'm gonna lose both. I doubt


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[Assistant] If the Rams win, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good halfway. I'm sacrificing the possibility of being right on both.


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[Assistant] To be right on at least one. So I've got the Rams to cover, and if they win, so what. But I think the 49ers will win the game. Let's take a break. Best bets, oh god. And Folsom Prison Blues selection, oh god, part two, when PFTPM and Kristen Bunbutt continue right after this.


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[Assistant] Chris Simms unbuttoned in PFTPM. It's time for our best bets, or in my case, our worst bets. Whatever I do this week, go ahead and bet the opposite and you will win a shitload.


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[Assistant] I am one in eight so far this year through three weeks. That's fine. I own it. I accept it. I'm not gonna make weird excuses either, like I've seen some do, like, oh, I took the Buccaneers, but then Mike Evans decided he wasn't gonna play, even though he'd been suspended at the time, said,


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[Assistant] If I go 0-3 this week, next week I am making my pick and I am doing the opposite. Okay. On the best bet. I love it. If I go 0-3 again. Right. Cause I've never gone 0-3 once and I've done it two straight f***ing weeks. Are you kidding me? Sorry Kristen, she's the one that's gotta bleep all of this profanity out. I assume in some context it makes its way through.


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[Assistant] Let's go! Best bets! Who you got first, Chris?


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[Assistant] With extra time to get ready on the road against the Falcons, the crowd there isn't a factor for the Atlanta Falcons. They don't show up to watch that team play. There's nothing exciting about the Atlanta Falcons, I'm sorry, but it's true.


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[Assistant] Browns only favored by one and a half points. I think they win. If they win, I think they win by more than one and a half points. Give me the Browns as my first bet, best bet, which will undoubtedly fail. What do we got next?


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[Assistant] I'll take the Steelers giving three to the Jets. This is just one of those days where the Steelers show up, kick ass, take names. I don't know what's gonna happen to them when they get to the...


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[Assistant] Bills, Bucks, Dolphins, Eagles portion of the schedule, but if they're going to win any game between now and week nine, it's going to be against the Jets on Sunday, 24 14 Steelers Best Bet. What do you got?


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[Assistant] Alright, to quote Joe Pesci as Leo gets, the Colts have f***ed the drive through three straight weeks. Twice I picked them, once I picked against them. Titans, come on Titans, you're getting three and a half points. Give me the Titans getting three and a half in Indianapolis.


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[Assistant] Folsom Prison Blues time. I think it was a subway that they went to. We both suck on Folsom Prison Blues. Who's the team that you think wins this week straight up no matter what? The one team you believe in this week, Chris? The Packers? The Packers?


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[Assistant] I wonder between the two of us, who would be least likely to look like a guy who is into fights? You're a bigger guy, so maybe your people would assume this.


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[Assistant] And then we all found out. And then we all found out. That one day, when you played without a spleen. Yes. How tough you actually were. I am, yes. Actually, I'm tough!


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[Assistant] You know who else is tough? Who's that? WWE Superstar. Yes. Angelo Dawson.


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[Assistant] He's gonna be on the pod today. I'm pumped for it. So we're gonna put a button on the Super Brawl.


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[Assistant] He's a superstar. He's a superstar. Angelo Dawkins is gonna be on.


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[Assistant] Unless I forgot someone was in the NFL. That's the only way that our top three is not going to be correct. Our bottom three, I think are completely different.


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[Assistant] So we'll get to that here shortly. Wanna remind you, if you're looking for the video version, if you couldn't see my red pants on Monday and you can't see my yellow pants right now, you're just going with the audio version.


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[Assistant] Pretty good luck, right? So you gotta, if you're not seeing it, you gotta see it. And the only way to do that now is on Peacock. You can see us on Peacock. But also our new YouTube page, just for NFL videos, youtube.com slash NFL on NBC.


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[Assistant] You know, this may surprise you, I'm not a huge fighter. I'm not a great handshake.


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[Assistant] Okay, bro hot. But that's a different thing. It's not a handshake. Like if I, yeah, a true handshake.


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[Assistant] Who do you handshake now? Like if, like that's been my problem. I've met someone for the first time this weekend. Right. And... Like real handshake.


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[Assistant] Like you're talking about the traditional handshake. And I went for the real handshake. And he was going to give me already the kind of the bro hog kind of forearm to forearm.


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[Assistant] You know, part of me thought like, maybe the Japanese figured it out. You just, you bow. Super easy. You just walk up to someone, you just bow. Respect.


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[Assistant] For a long time, you've been just relaxing. And so they've had questions this whole time, but new news has come out here over the last day. And so the homies want to get your unbuttoned reaction on this too. So we got Julio Jones, that news joining Tom Brady, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at New River Joe.


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[Assistant] Seven one thousand yard seasons, many were, uh, well over a thousand.


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[Assistant] So if you're watching on our new YouTube page here on Peacock, you see the receiving depth chart for the Bucks. Now you got Evans, Godwin, Julio, Russell Gage is there, Tyler Johnson, Cyril Grayson, Scotty Miller, your tight ends are Cameron Brake, Kyle Rudolph.


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[Assistant] So you put this question out there on Twitter, and by you, I mean Pete put this question out there on Twitter.


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[Assistant] Where does Julio Jones finish in receiving yards on the Buccaneers this season? And so, the answers are in. That was a quick poll, Pete. What was it? Only a couple of... Oh, it's still going right now. It's not done.


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[Assistant] It's, uh, live results. We've got it. Uh, 42% think fourth. So that's getting the most votes right now. There are 7% that are really optimistic and think second most receiving yards on the bucks. Uhm, what do you think? What's realistic?


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[Assistant] Alright, people wanna play with Tom Brady though still. Of course they do. That's what we've figured out.


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[Assistant] Mark East Brown wanted to play with Kyler Murray over in Arizona. And uh, Kyler has been in the news here lately. His big deal got finalized and John Kokora says, I gotta ask, what are your thoughts on the Kyler Murray deal, especially with the study provisions? You've talked about this a little bit with Mike.


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[Assistant] If you're unfamiliar with it, what is it? Which I'm sure you're not at this point. What is it? Four hours per week?


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[Assistant] Stipulated in the contract. Yes. In writing. Right. We're gonna check it. In writing. If he doesn't do it. Right. Then his...


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[Assistant] How much has it changed now with the microphone and the speaker in the helmet? Yea, I mean, it's- Because maybe he's thinking too, he's like, alright, I know this offense. Right. And, Cliff, this is your job. Right. And coaching staff, this is your job. Right. If there's something you want me to look at, just tell me in my uh, my headset.


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[Assistant] That, uh, they have tracked it. The line in 2019, you see it here, and there's a couple other pictures too. When the new, what is it, Call of Duty? When the new Call of Duty is released, from that point forward, the play of Kyler Murray goes down.


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[Assistant] There it is in 2019. In 2020, same thing. Is that 2021 on the bottom? I think it is. Same thing.


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[Assistant] Wow, Pete says wow, Pete is crushing it right now. Pete is killing it. Good job. Kristen, hey Kristen, Pete sucks, it's all Kristen. Kristen was able to find the, uh, the soundbite of, uh, yeaah, let's hear, so the, uh, the backstory, Kristen, you called him out on not being at, uh, Voluntary. I just said he should be, I wish he was out there at OTA.


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[Assistant] Oh, you baited him. He's like, it worked.


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[Assistant] Vominos FC wants to know, what would you be willing to offer Lamar annually if you were the Ravens GM? So that's the question right now. He showed up, he's there looking for a new contract.


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[Assistant] He is a guy. Russell Wilson is a guy. Often did that, uh, in Seattle for, uh, his entirety of his career. Now he's in Denver and Hawkstraliger wants to know. Hawkstraliger, that would be a Seahawks fan, right? I think he is a Seahawks fan. Uh, but maybe he'll become a Broncos fan now. Uh, there might be some people that actually will do that.


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[Assistant] Like he has been such that team that they might root for him over in Denver. He goes, what do you think the Broncos offense looks like this season? Run pass ratio differences from what Russ has been known for or not. So.


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[Assistant] Russ is with a new team in Denver. How might he look different? How might that Broncos offense look different?


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[Assistant] Uh, we say, I think we have our, his heat map from last year, 2021.


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[Assistant] You don't think that was just Seattle specific.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the question for Seahawks fans is what did he leave behind? ProFootOwlTalk says, which dominoes would have to fall Seattle's way for the Seahawks to sneak into the playoffs this year?


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[Assistant] Yeah, right, right. And the smart youth, uh, from what I'm gathering, you think the smart move would have been to rebuild with this team?


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[Assistant] One more quarterback question to get to here before we get to those running backs that you just mentioned there with Walker and Penny. Maybe, who knows, maybe we'll see one of those guys in the top six rankings for either one of us. Uh, Zach Wilson was in the news while you were gone. Yes, he was.


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[Assistant] Uh, Aaron Krupple says, does Chris need to redo his quarterback rankings after the Zach Wilson news? Would you have, uh, would you have taken what happened off the field into consideration when ranking Zach Wilson? No, but it would have.


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[Assistant] Uh, what does Zach Wilson have to improve on to have a competitive 2022? So on the field.


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[Assistant] But for the first time, I'm thinking that maybe he could be the next Joe Namath. I'm starting to get that vibe, the Joe Namath, in several different ways. Yeaah, I hear you. Joe Cool, Broadway Joe, Lady


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[Assistant] Alright, that's quarterback talk. We got running back talk coming up here in just a second, but you did their top five wide receivers last week. A lot of reaction, uh, including from Tomas Pena, who said, I freaking knew it.


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[Assistant] Well, Peter King is with the Raiders right now, diving in on their training camp, spoke with the Raiders wide receiver who did not make your list. And so I think Pete, do we have a, do we have a sound bite of Devontae Adams with our own Peter King regarding Aaron Rodgers to now moving on to Derek Carr.


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[Assistant] You can catch all of Peter King's training camp videos on our new YouTube page, youtube.com slash NFL on NBC. Also here's interviews on the Peter King podcast. Subscribe wherever you download your podcast. This is where Peter's going to go. Whoa. Canvassing the country. Well, I guess, yeah, these are all the places he's going to be right. These are the locations of the.


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[Assistant] 20 top 10 wide receivers. You make your list and you say there are so many great ones and you just can't fit them all in there.


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[Assistant] How many top ten running backs are there currently in the NFL? There's only ten.


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[Assistant] So we'll do our top six, which may be the top ten. It may be the complete top ten list in the NFL currently. Our top six. So, six through one. We both got a list. I don't know your list. You don't know my list.


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[Assistant] We'll continue that discussion with him here in a second, cause I have him as well. My number 6 could shock you. Remondre Stevenson.


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[Assistant] You, you, you see the art of it and the speed and everything. I try to do the science here, uh, with some of these guys. And so Stevenson faced eight or more in the box, 41% of the time. That's your second most in the NFL. He also had the second most broken tackles per attempt in the NFL. And so that resulted in.


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[Assistant] As Pete noted to me before we did this podcast, why in the Super Bowl when you need one yard, he's not on the field.


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[Assistant] It does seem though, and they do have a great receiving core, right? You have the best wide receiver in the NFL according to you and Jamar Chase, you got Higgins there too. It did seem like there were some games that Joe Mixon disappeared.


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[Assistant] You're becoming the new Robin Hood here. Exactly, exactly. I think it's well deserved and a little more projection perhaps with Stevenson and maybe more with this guy too, but I think you're going to say this guy also has the ability to be in the top 10. Is this Rashad Penny you're going with here? It is not Rashad Penny, although I could have put him in there, but it just wasn't enough for Rashad Penny.


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[Assistant] Javante Williams led the NFL in broken tackles. Yea, he's a bowling ball, Alex Stevenson. And he only had 203 attempts. Yea. And that was 15th in the NFL. He led the NFL in, uh, those broken tackles. He was still up there in some production yards per, uh, carry. So, Javante Williams, fast guy. I'm putting him, I'm putting him number 5. That's cool. In the NFL.


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[Assistant] Now we'll probably get a little more alike as we get up here into the top four. Your number four running back in 2020.


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[Assistant] So he was the heart. He's the, if you're looking at my sheet, he is the honorable mention. He was the last one out. I actually put Stevenson just ahead of Cook at the last second. I had Cook in there. I loved Elvin Cook. When he's healthy, one of the most explosive guys out there. And he actually has been pretty healthy. That's what people don't realize. I'm looking at his rookie year, right? Yep. So rookie year, he only played four games.


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[Assistant] You know, 2018 he played 10, so that's half the year, that's not great. But then it's 14 games, 14 games, then last year 13 games. So he is not playing the full 16, but 14, 14, 13 is still pretty good for that kind of guy.


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[Assistant] No, uhm, I had a point though. There was another point where I left him off.


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[Assistant] Here's what it was. Put this in there, Pete. Make sure this gets in there. So we talked to our friend, Jay Croucher, who is someone that we talked to from time to time, who's into the odds world and the betting world. And he would say, and he told us last year, and this stuck with me, that when he was injured and when he would go out, they would not adjust the line.


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[Assistant] And I think that's the case for a lot of running backs out there. Not every running back, but a lot of running backs out there. Uhm, but if he doesn't affect the line of the game when he's not in there, maybe he's not a top six running back.


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[Assistant] So who's your number four? So my number four is Christian McCaffrey. Okay. So I did put Christian McCaffrey in my, in my top six.


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[Assistant] Kind of the same thing too, because like we're just talking with Delvin Cook, like the last two years have been awful for him. And he's had, we went through it with Pete in 2020, high ankle sprain, shoulder AC joint sprain, thigh strain, hamstring strain in 2021, ankle sprain, it's like strains and sprains up and down the list the last couple years.


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[Assistant] In his first three seasons, he played all 16 games. I know, I know. It really has been the last two years. And now, has he worn down? Has he lost a step like you said? That just worries me. That's the question. It's like,


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[Assistant] He was durable in the beginning of his NFL career. And even in Stanford. I mean, he was. And Stanford. Will we see it again? I don't know. The last two years have been awful. Three games two years ago, seven games just passed. Right. Or was it? Yea, it was seven last year.


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[Assistant] So I'm going to bank healthy and if he's healthy and he's, when he has played healthy, he's been unbelievable. No doubt. If you were, if you were to know, Christian McCaffrey is going to play all 16 games. Would he be in your top six?


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[Assistant] And I said, if you played all 16 games. Right. They're 17 now. I know. But I'm assuming, I'm assuming just to rest. Yeah. Before they, you know, they're the one seed, the other, resting them that last.


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[Assistant] He's great, but I was looking back and he's been so good at this second half of seasons too. The past three years, he was hurt last year, but the two years before that, it was like once we got to November, he just


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[Assistant] Dominated the NFL, even more so than he had up to that point. I looked though at his last three playoff games, dating back to 2019. He's been contained against Kansas City in 2019, 19 rushes 69 yards.


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[Assistant] 2020 versus Baltimore, 18 rushes, 40 yards. 2021 just last year against the Bengals, 20 rushes, 62 yards. That's three, the last three playoffs.


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[Assistant] So I almost did the same thing as you and you're, you're, you're convincing me that I should have done that. But I had Derrick Henry at number two. So he's my number two and my number three, I think maybe your number two, but maybe he's your number one. I don't know. Number three for me was Nick Chubb. Is he your number two?


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[Assistant] And you don't think of Nick Chubb necessarily as a, as a bruiser. He's 5'11, 227 he's listed at. Fourth most broken tackles per attempt in the NFL last year. So he's running over some dudes out there.


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[Assistant] And he's got the second most yards after contact per rush in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Nick Chubb, number two for you, number three for me, but I could be convinced, but the number one is the same for both of us. It is. No doubt.


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[Assistant] Well, so he's got the speed. And he also has the brute strength. As you mentioned, you saw more of it last year. He was third in yards after contact per attempt last year. And yeaah, that rush over expected. The rush is over expected. He was fourth in the NFL, so he was getting more yards than expected over half the time.


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[Assistant] I still think it would be tough for me if I was on the clock and someone said, yeah, Derek Henry is healthy. I know, I know, I hear you. I'll take Derek Henry. Maybe not over Jonathan Taylor because I think he's got the whole package right now, but.


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[Assistant] And say, would they beat up in a ballroom fight that other coach and that other quarterback? We did our seedings, the homies voted on the internet, Dolphins Twitter voted on the internet. So we did all that, but we want to get.


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[Assistant] Some outside analysis of what we did too.


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[Assistant] And who better to do that than WWE Superstar Brawler, Angelo Dawkins. Pete, do we have Angelo on the phone with us here? We do! There he is!


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[Assistant] So here, so here's the, uh, you may or may not know this, Angelo is, you're a Bengals fan, correct? You're a Cincinnati Bengals fan, huge fan. And so, uh, last year, when I, I've done this two years in a row now, and


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[Assistant] The biggest mistake I made two years ago was putting, uh, Zach Taylor and Joe Burrow dead last in my rankings. I basically said that everyone would beat yes.


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[Assistant] The eyebrow raise from Angelo. So I rectified that this year and I moved him up to 13th. Uh, Christian and Pete, do we, do we have our rankings? Can we show that to Angelo? So here were my, here were my seedings. And so again, the premise is that you, you take this coach and quarterback and you think they can beat up.


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[Assistant] The other coach in quarterback, my number one seed was Ryan Tannehill with Mike Vrabel basically all because of


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[Assistant] Vrabel there, uh, Josh Allen and Sean McDermott number two. I love my guy Dan Campbell. I think he could bite kneecaps of pretty much every quarterback coach combination out there. But Angelo, looking at this list, what jumps out at you? Do you think I got it right? Do you think I got it wrong?


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[Assistant] Yeah, you think that, I mean, Joe Burrow is tough, but have you seen Mike Vrabel?


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[Assistant] So we have to let you know this too, uh, Angela. So we let the, the, the audience, the homies as we call them, and some of them were not homies, they were just dolphins Twitter vote.


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[Assistant] On who would win these matchups. So we put them head to head in a bracket situation and I had, I had Tua and Mike, their new coach, Mike McDaniel, seated as 32nd, dead last. So they got the Burroughs Zach Taylor treatment of 2020, um, the year before.


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[Assistant] We went through the voting, Dolphin's Twitter showed up, and Tua and McDaniel ended up winning the Super Brawl contest. Your thoughts on that?


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[Assistant] Just note though, be careful that if you ever say anything bad about the Dolphins, their Twitter mob will come attack you. So just know that, Angelo. Just know that. They are out there.


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[Assistant] There are some, yeaah, there are some smaller coaches. So here's the complete list there. So who, who maybe am I too high on?


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[Assistant] If Eber Fluss was here right now, I might not be able to pick him out of a lineup, so I might have to, I might have to agree with you on that one. Alright, well that, hey, and thank you for not crushing that. We had The Miz on here last year and he crushed my list and he made me feel bad and I thought about it for weeks on end and it was...


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[Assistant] Seriously. Well, I'm glad you brought up the Bengals again here too, because we did just do our top five wide receiver rankings. Chris did that the last time we were here on Monday, and I think that you'll like this list. So, uh, Kristen and Pete, can we put this up here? So Chris did his top


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[Assistant] 5 wide receivers currently in the NFL and number 1, we'll see if you agree, he went with Jamar Chase. What do you think?


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[Assistant] Uno Jamar Chase. No doubt. Yeaah. What was it like watching him as a fan last year?


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[Assistant] Well Angela, yea, tell us about SummerSlam, coming up here.


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[Assistant] It's going to be the Usos. The Usos are going to be sweating big time. Bring it, Angelo. Kick their ass. Summer Slam. It is WWE's biggest event of the summer taking place Saturday, July 30th, Nissan Stadium in Nashville. The event streams live at 8pm Eastern exclusively.


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[Assistant] On Peacock, Angelo, Montez Ford, the Street Profits taking on the Usos in the WWE Tag Team Championship. We are rooting for you. Bring back the belt here to Chris Sims on Button, alright Angelo?


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[Assistant] Alright cool, well thanks to, thanks to Angelo. Thanks to the WWE. Yep. Promoting uh, SummerSlam coming up this weekend on Peacock. Uh, thanks to you for making another list. Yeah. Thanks to me for helping out.


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[Assistant] You're almost too good at the handshakes because you were at the Super Bowl doing some handshakes. Yeaah. And we have video evidence of that.


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[Assistant] Oh wow, that Dak Prescott one had multiple moves. There were a couple on the deck.


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[Assistant] You know what happened? I heard a rumor he's gonna dish on some of the people he's met with, talked with, some teams out there, some former quarterbacks out there. Yea, right.


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[Assistant] Our Sunday night slate looks amazing. And I'm not saying that just because we're NBC, but I'm saying it partly because we're NBC, and partly because it really is a good Sunday night schedule, which can change in the second half of the season as we've seen all the time.


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[Assistant] I was gonna try to go through the schedule and pick kind of like the worst games of the year. Yeaah. Do the opposite of what everyone's doing. Right.


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[Assistant] It's hard to do that because every game has a storyline. Cause you look at even the Arizona Cardinals, right? So that's a team where you're like, oh, that's just not going to be a very fun team. But if they take Kyler Murray first overall, week one and he's starting or week three by that time he's starting.


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[Assistant] That's a super interesting game. So I couldn't really find any games where you're like, ah, that's a real tough one. Those will develop as the year goes on. Teams don't have them, but right now it's tough to look at.


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[Assistant] We see that every year too, it's like 1 in 2 teams go to the playoffs 20% of the time, and if you start out 1 in 3, it's like 10% of the time.


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[Assistant] Let me throw this one at you. A team that hasn't been in the playoffs, I think, two years in a row now, right? Packers, we haven't seen Aaron Rodgers, and I think that's a huge bummer for everyone not to have Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs.


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[Assistant] You look at their early season schedule, a little troubling. A little troubling. You get Bears, Vikings, you're at Bears, you're home against the Vikings, you're home against the Denver Broncos, you're taking on the Eagles, you're at Dallas after that. Yes. Then you get the automatic win of the Detroit Lions, but I don't know about that, but yes.


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[Assistant] And then you're home against Carolina, then you're home against the Falcons, then you're at the Chiefs, I mean, the Colts. And then you're at the Colts. Right. So, I mean, for Houston, that could be a tough go early.


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[Assistant] As we've seen many times, it's just, you know, one fumble here or there, one bad calls, New Orleans Saints. Yes, exactly right. Let me throw a couple more things your way here just to kind of like little quirks of the schedule that we wrote about and our team wrote about on NBC Sports. The Chargers have a six week gap between home games. They do play at home in Mexico City against the Chiefs.


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[Assistant] Speaking of the Patriots, they have all those primetime games. They're on TV a lot. This was on Pro Football Talk as well.


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[Assistant] Uh, the Lions have, uh, 12 more days of rest than their opponents over the course of the season, while the Patriots have an NFL worst.


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[Assistant] Last one for me, the Ravens and their schedule. They perfectly alternate road and home games all season long.


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[Assistant] Okay, that's a great thing. It hasn't happened in a while. I don't know exactly when. Uh, three times previously. So that's 1978.


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[Assistant] You secured dibs. We've got dibs. You've secured. Very smart. Thank you. Very smart. I'm learning how to


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[Assistant] You know, I think my dad has some opinions on some of these guys that are a little bit different, uh, than mine. Maybe on a couple players specifically. And so I was just curious, uh, Phil, if that's true.


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[Assistant] So basically, if you, I don't know if you said it at the top, if you needed a, if you're an NFL team and you need a quarterback and you had your choice of any quarterback in the draft, you would take Kyler Murray over anyone?


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[Assistant] You're hearing more negativity around him though, I think than some of these other quarterbacks right now. People seem to be really high on Kyler, seem to be higher on Drew Lock. You do hear more things that Dwayne Haskins can't do than what he can do. Why do you think that is lately?


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[Assistant] And so, there is a thought that, you know, that Giants have made a huge mistake by sticking with Eli at this, to this point. You know, it's one year, maybe two years too long. For an all-time great quarterback who's done great things for the franchise, cannot discount that.


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[Assistant] But the time in the relationship is over now and now the fact that they're extending that relationship is causing problems that may affect them in the future.


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[Assistant] Until, until your starter struggles, and then there's a whole lot of excitement to see what that guy can do.


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[Assistant] You know, it's like, okay, we're willing to wait for him to develop and be the guy, whereas yea, you take that guy in the first round, you're not.


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[Assistant] The dynamics of a draft, and I think it's really interesting, is that as you go later on, you get into like the fifth round, and you have a player that you say, you know, I think there is a 100% chance that he will be a backup for us at linebacker, or defensive line. And there's some value in that. Sure. But I think what you're saying is, you'd rather go with a guy that, you know, there's a 20% chance that he could be a star.


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[Assistant] 80% chance that maybe he won't, you know, turn out to be anything, but you need to believe that there's at least a percent chance that this guy could be a star or significant starter for you. Because if you look at him and just say, okay, I don't think he'll ever be a star, but I think he can be a solid contributor for us. That's just not sexy enough.


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[Assistant] What's up? Chris Sins, Unbuttoned Podcast, and I got a special guest. Yes, I do. DeAndre Hopkins at Washington Square Park. Yeah, we're that cool. We're hanging out in the park together. Yeah, what up?


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[Assistant] Man, see, I mean, the plan is working. We got you out here to get the people to know you.


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[Assistant] What is that, like, Jalen's, like, you're kinda quiet and reserved, but you got


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[Assistant] Who the hell I was at first. He was like, wait, I know you played in the NFL. And then he asked me, wait, what school did you go to? And I said I went to Texas. And then he goes...


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[Assistant] Well, not necessarily, I'm gonna be a good guy today, but I listened, I'll say this to you, I listened to Christopher and Paul do the game, the spring game in Notre Dame, and they did very well, and I said, jeez.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, that's a good question. I don't know exactly how he has them. We talk about it. I think we view and we talk so much about football and quarterbacks and


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[Assistant] And you know, he knows I throw a lot of guys were always talking about a lot of stuff. So we kind of look for the same traits and, and I think one thing he learned from me, I think he did is when you talk about a quarterback.


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[Assistant] And there's many things. One, if you start out with, hey, he's a leader, he's this, I mean this, and you go, alright, I've heard enough, stop.


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[Assistant] Because the first thing I want to hear out of your mouth is you're talking about players.


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[Assistant] I wanna hear something about his physical ability that's gonna give him a chance to be a starter, a star, or whatever in the NFL.


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[Assistant] So, we gotta start with that trait, then we move on to all the other things, the intangibles, and we find out.


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[Assistant] Drew Brees is special. When you start looking for Drew Brees, you're gonna miss 95 out of 100 times.


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[Assistant] He, it was a tremendous athlete. Just had the ability to play the game to a level that we haven't seen. And, uh, so I hate that comparison sometimes.


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[Assistant] And Drew Brees is not a small quarterback. He plays tall, he has long arms, big hands, great athlete.


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[Assistant] Throws over the top, all those things. So anybody that's six foot, you know, they always bring up Drew Brees. And I go, they're not. So that's the first thing.


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[Assistant] So, that was pretty impressive too as he's kept it up, but I think that we...


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[Assistant] I don't know if everybody agrees, but I look at, if I had to rank them.


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[Assistant] Quickness that will stay with him for a long time. He will, he'll keep the quickness and he'll lose some speed as time goes. And it goes usually fairly quick for quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] His arm strength and accuracy, he's a thrower and a passer, which we love. I love his, you know, truly his mechanics.


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[Assistant] That tells me he locks his wrist, which I think is a great thing for QBs, because, you know, I don't mean to get over, I'm gonna just, if this is really QB talk. No, that's alright.


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[Assistant] It makes him control the ball. Right. And he can control the speed. He spins it well. And it just, you just keep going on and on. Really good deep thrower. Easy ball to catch because it spins so hard. And it's, you know, very seldom throws a ball that has any wobble to it. So that, that's all great. And it's.


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[Assistant] That's awesome. I like that and I think we undervalue it too much in the NFL and I hear it all the time and I argue against it because receivers


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[Assistant] Getting the football to a receiver just a split second faster because of the speed of the ball might enable him to break the first tackle because the guy has that less time to get there and a 10 yard catch turns into a 20 yard catch.


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[Assistant] Even a little short throw in the flat can turn into 5 yards and be bigger just because of the speed and the power of the ball.


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[Assistant] And they could drop the ball, they could finesse it, they haven't this innate feel to throw. And I've heard my son say it and I say it all the time too. Born to throw.


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[Assistant] You know, when he was probably four years old, he picked something up, they threw it, somebody goes, wow, you're only four, what an arm.


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[Assistant] And that's, that's, you know, that's what you always hear. And usually, guys like that, I love even Drew Lock, who are.


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[Assistant] Just bread and everything, what a really terrific basketball player he was. You know, most quarterbacks can hit it, throw it, shoot it, all those things. If they can't, sometimes that worries me.


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[Assistant] But the bad thing about, uh, Kyler Murray that worries me is when the pockets around him


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[Assistant] And people say, well he threw from the pocket a lot at Oklahoma.


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[Assistant] Probably the greatest glimpse was at Alabama early in the game.


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[Assistant] Uh, because he wasn't used to it. But he will get used to it, the NFL. We'll see how it works.


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[Assistant] What did he do at Oklahoma that NFL teams are not doing? Oh, he was in the shotgun and he caught it through the pass?


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[Assistant] Tyler Murray is going to be able to get under center and hand the ball off and run play action passes too. He'll be able to get under center and take a deep drop and throw the ball. I don't see him getting under center.


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[Assistant] This thing I just keep hearing, well you gotta really be willing to create an offense for him. Well...


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[Assistant] Well, I don't, I'm still trying to figure that out, you know, but...


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[Assistant] Uh, you don't have to. It's not rocket scientists, whatever, all that stuff. Uh, every NFL team in the league.


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[Assistant] Can adapt to Kyla Murray really fast if he was their quarterback.


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[Assistant] At Missouri at all, I don't, I didn't think they were a great team, but when he played against Alabama and Georgia.


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[Assistant] You know, you can, I don't care. I think I read something a few days ago. Well, he didn't play well against one of these teams. Yeah, no kidding.


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[Assistant] Because they, out of, because out there, outclassed physically.


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[Assistant] But in those games against great competition, I think it was against Alabama, the first play of the game he throws an interception.


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[Assistant] In between some defenders that only probably 10 quarterbacks in the NFL would make that throw. But it's not only the throw, it's the fact that he threw an interception to start the game and then comes back


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[Assistant] And that's, even against Georgia, the great competition, he made some spectacular throws and those things really stuck out to me. Do I have a few question marks, you know, about him? Yea, I wish he would.


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[Assistant] So that part bothered me a little bit, but I feel pretty good and secure that he is the second best quarterback in this draft.


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[Assistant] I kind of waffled a little bit, all those things and everything, but.


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[Assistant] When I look at it, I just see such an upside that he basically can run any type of offense you want to run. If you want to move the quarterback, all that, throw on the run.


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[Assistant] But I thought even, you know, that you see his arm and it looked different on TV there compared to the other guys.


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[Assistant] And I know that Kyle Murray played one year. We've seen it work. Trebesky played one year. That's worked out pretty well. All those things. But look, he's Ben Roethlisberger standing in the pocket.


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[Assistant] Uh, he played against great competition. Of course he had tremendous receivers and all the other stuff. Uh, but he throws with people all around him.


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[Assistant] Uh, he's a good short thrower with the crosses, which is a big thing in the NFL.


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[Assistant] And, and, and, and he's, I think he's a really good deep ball thrower too.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, what is it he can't do? I mean, I think what's happening, it's the...


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[Assistant] The other thing, some of the intangibles that have come into play for him and you don't wait


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[Assistant] I don't know why, you know, running a 5 flat 40, there's many quarterbacks that have done that.


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[Assistant] You know, all these interactions teams have with them. I've heard a few rumors and I don't even look for them about that and, and maybe


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[Assistant] Maybe teams in this day and age just look at him and think it's two one dimensional.


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[Assistant] So, but, but it's still, I just like the skill set of the other two more, and that's why I've had Dwayne, Dwayne Haskins at number three.


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[Assistant] That, you know, I heard you talking about Ryan Fitzpatrick the other day.


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[Assistant] You know, did you ever know me in your life that during the off season


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[Assistant] You know, quarterbacks don't, I just can't deal with a quarterback that's not always in shape. I would not draft them. And I've said it many times.


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[Assistant] If I think they're five pounds overweight, I go, well, what are you going to be in five years once you get money and you're in this league?


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[Assistant] They'll never train again the rest of their lives like they did in college.


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[Assistant] That really is always a big point of mine, and I know, even if you're young.


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[Assistant] Christopher, you know, listen, you, you know, this is the same thing. When you go to college, if you're a quarterback, these things are already part of who you are and they shouldn't have to be brought along somewhere where you figure it out because we're talking about the NFL and it's, you don't have time to figure some things out.


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[Assistant] I don't know if he went on a big weight loss program before he went to the combine, but uhm.


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[Assistant] Hey, if he starts driving back and throws some great passes, nobody's gonna care.


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[Assistant] So he's number three, and my number four is definitely different from yours. I'm looking at my sheets, I actually wrote them down.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, no, don't say that. I just do everything off the top of my head because I've been watching and all this. I have Daniel Jones at number four. I have him at four.


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[Assistant] Well, I think he is a borderline first rounder. I don't know if he will. Uh, I don't think that when I...


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[Assistant] Judge guys, over the years, I don't look at him and go, man, that is a guy you have to get in the first round.


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[Assistant] Somebody could move up, somebody could pick him, or you know, the big thing, will the Giants take him at 16 and...


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[Assistant] Great connection, let's go for that. Because it worked for us last time, you know, that's just another...


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[Assistant] That run what I call at least pro thinking offenses for quarterbacks and Daniel Jones is a good example that he can find receivers. He can throw falling backwards as he's getting hit to find that the guy that's the check down or whatever you want to say.


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[Assistant] And I, and I say this, I think I've changed my opinion the more I watched him.


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[Assistant] Is that, I think his arm is sneaky good, and when he wants to turn the heat up, he can.


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[Assistant] But it's definitely good enough and it's, it's, he can move around, he's in great shape.


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[Assistant] And you know, and I think the big thing that really got me is that I just saw some power throws.


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[Assistant] That I didn't see from a lot of the other guys that, uh, where I would put them ahead of Daniel Jones.


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[Assistant] So I know that's different from what you think, but I just watched him again two or three days ago, and I just went, man.


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[Assistant] I really like what I saw, and I know you didn't like it because there's a lot of short throws and all that.


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[Assistant] But I saw some throws down the field, some sideline throws, and I had to, thank God it was a good clear day, and I could see, you know, he spins it. I know some people think his arm motion's a little too long. That doesn't bother me at all either. I think when he needs to, he can turn it up. That's why I got him at four.


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[Assistant] And played hurt, great leader, four years of experience, spends the ball big time, and I think he can throw it with power. And let's be honest, I mean, you're watching Northwestern, they do a great job.


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[Assistant] If they get one foot of separation, that's wide open, son. You know, you gotta rip it in there. You're right. It's, it's a. It was nothing but contested throws. Yes. The whole year, so that was good. I have Ryan Finley, six, and why? Really well taught, does a lot of stuff, but.


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[Assistant] And I know you'd like him a lot, but the touch, all that's wonderful.


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[Assistant] Good, of course, great size. He can really move. He's fast and quick for a big guy. He makes incredible big time throws. Uh, so there's great upside. Now, here's what's bad too. He's in love with his arm.


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[Assistant] So, he throws a lot of balls he shouldn't. He does not anticipate any throws.


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[Assistant] He'll pass up wide open guys for seven yard games to try to throw a 30 yard, one in 10 chance to get a completion. So he's quick to scramble. If he gets a flash of a color, he's gone.


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[Assistant] And, and, but he didn't turn the ball over much, but he can make defenders miss, and I know it wasn't high level football, I shouldn't say that.


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[Assistant] You know, it's good football, the, the vision he plays in. It's in the Mac, right?


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[Assistant] I keep forgetting Buffalo's in the Mac conference, but what potential? He would be a guy I would draft late.


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[Assistant] Because if you try to sneak him out of practice squad, somebody's gonna take him.


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[Assistant] And I think that's gonna be, and Jared Settle, he's another one I didn't talk about, I liked him too, but as you look at this, and you look at the draft and a lot of these guys,


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[Assistant] You're not going to be able to stash a lot of these quarterbacks on practice squads. Right. And I'm looking at it going this year.


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[Assistant] We might see more three quarterbacks on rosters than maybe we have in the past five years or so. Just because, you know, age.


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[Assistant] Well, I have seen him ranked as high by a few play, you know, just happened to be watching one of the networks and saw that somebody had him at number five. And I went, wow, that's.


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[Assistant] He's gonna be there. I'd be surprised if he's picked in the fourth round or whatever. But he, I remember years ago, and I'll let you go.


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[Assistant] And I said, I got the sleeper, and his name was Derek Anderson.


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[Assistant] Romeo Cornell's the coach. I'm so happy for Romeo. Way to go, man. He's, he's, you know, cause I spent so many years with him with the Giants. And then, they screwed it up.


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[Assistant] Because they drafted a quarterback in the first round the next year, and all, you know, the fans, when you draft them in the first round,


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[Assistant] That's why I think the Giants will not draft one, I'm back to that again. Why they will not draft one in the first round? Because...


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[Assistant] It will only create a problem. Even the fans will want to see the first round quarterback against Eli Manning if that quarterback shows, you know, if it's, if it's, if it's Drew Locke.


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[Assistant] He's gonna show that talent in preseason. You're gonna see it and go, wow, this guy could, it could be special. Right. So that just creates a controversy. That's why I don't think they'll do it. And I think, and I think people are crazy for not going after, you know, I think Josh Rosen is, if you can get him for a second round pick, that's an awesome pickup for your football team.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, I don't know if it affects them in the future. I think if there's a guy there, a quarterback that they know they can't pass up, they'll take him.


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[Assistant] I would think they would. You just can't, if you think he's a franchise quarterback, that'll be the whole thing.


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[Assistant] If they don't, then they're gonna just, if Drew Locke is still there at six.


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[Assistant] I'm asking both of you, do you think you'll still be there at the 6th pick of the draft?


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[Assistant] So if they don't take him, then that just says they did not think he was...


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[Assistant] You're talking about if you think he's a franchise quarterback with a quarterback going into the 16th year.


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[Assistant] I don't know. And so what's next year? Oh, next year is the great draft, the Oregon quarterback and Tula.


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[Assistant] And, and if Jake Prom and all that, well, you know, okay, what are your chances of getting one of them? I mean, I don't know. And I'm not, you know, completely sold on that whole crew either, so.


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[Assistant] I do, I do. I thought maybe when they said they were going to extend Eli, I said, ooh, you remember I told you that?


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[Assistant] They're just trying to throw everybody off the, the, the, whatever. They don't want anybody to move up in front of them and steal a quarterback.


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[Assistant] But no, I'm back to that again and I think they're gonna give it one more shot and see if they can, cause they're gonna be able to get.


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[Assistant] Two starters, probably three starters at their first three pick.


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[Assistant] So, and you know, they, they did, they got some good, good, very good young guys last year. They came through for them, so.


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[Assistant] I think that they'll pass on the quarterbacks. If they do take one, then I think it would definitely be a second round guy. But you know, it's amazing. You, you, both of you answer this for me. There's just not the excitement.