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[Assistant] You know, the really big arm guys, you know, you get into some of those special guys, I would think for sure. We're going 60 plus for sure.


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[Assistant] That was another cr- first off, hardball going, you'll have to ask Lamar.


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[Assistant] And Greg Roman going, yes, there are things to learn. Those are their ways of going, yes, he needs to be here. We'd like to, but we can't really say that because of the NFL CBA. He'll send a mean tweet to us. I also, I also think that's why he responded to me. I mean, if you really like made me be psychological about it, I go, I struck a nerve.


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[Assistant] He knows I'm right, he doesn't like it, so it pissed him off and he tweeted back at me. But that would be my psychological review.


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[Assistant] So he didn't like that I held him to his words and some of the things he said about Brady early on in his career.


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[Assistant] Uh, he needs to get there. I want him to be there, like I said, not for me, because of him. I want him to be there and be the best he can be. Cause like you said, the Ravens are still a Super Bowl team and a major player in the AFC.


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[Assistant] Brady Rogers and Ryan, the old man repeats there. So that'll be, uh, interesting to see. What would be the best value?


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[Assistant] Matt Ryan might be in one where you waste a few dollars on, because like,


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[Assistant] That could be a team where we'd go, whoa, the Colts are 13 and 4. Matt Ryan threw for 4,000 yards and he threw for 34 touchdowns and 6 interceptions this year. Like to where you'd go, okay, I know he's not like the best quarterback in football, but he had the best season this year. Let's make it, like that to me would be the value one. He'd have the story.


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[Assistant] Exactly, exactly right. It lines up that way. You know, again, it's gonna be like, you know, Brady and Matt Stafford the last two years where people are gonna love that and you're gonna have a lot of attention on it.


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[Assistant] Seven million dollars, a few more pods, and I'm done and I'm retiring because of PointsBet, alright? If you're in an eligible state, PointsBet has a sign up offer for unbuttoned listeners that you can't miss.


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[Assistant] Dak Prescott. Dak Prescott. Dak Prescott. Dallas Cowboys quarterback. Still a phenomenal football player. Again, I think, like, the one thing that comes to my mind when I talk about Dak Prescott or watch him is just, the tough, toughness. I just think about


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[Assistant] Physical, mental toughness. Like, to me, Dak Prescott is towards the top of football in those departments. Let alone, we know.


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[Assistant] Yes, he's got a lot of ability. I mean, he does. First off, his mobility and his ability to run is a real thing. It's a real part of his game. It wasn't as big last year, I think, because of some of the injuries, but whether it's scrambling or a few quarterback-designed runs,


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[Assistant] Wham bam, thank you ma'am. He's a, he's a, he's a son of a bitch to deal with, okay? So that's an issue there. Alright? Then you talk about, you know,


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[Assistant] The pocket part of him. This is to me where he is very special.


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[Assistant] Dak Prescott is up there in the discussion as far as being the best, like I'm under pressure, the pockets collapsing, quarterbacks and all of football. He's unaffected by it.


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[Assistant] He can stand there with people hitting him and grabbing him and still make


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[Assistant] Throws down the field because he's such a big strong human being.


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[Assistant] It doesn't affect his decision making when the pocket's closing in. He's not like, oh gosh, let me find the short throw just to get it out of my hand. He still stands in there and like gets a little, oh wait, he's not going to kill me yet. He's going to kill me in a half a second. Hold on. Let me throw it. Oh, I got killed. Hey, but I got a completion to CD land. That to me is where he is special.


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[Assistant] He did not have his best year. There's no doubt about that. It was not.


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[Assistant] Still, franchise quarterback, difference maker, beautiful deep ball thrower, right?


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[Assistant] I will say, you know, did not have his best year throwing. I think that's one thing I look at. The ball got away from him a lot, especially down the stretch of the season.


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[Assistant] A lot of balls thrown high and off the target that way has a very over the top motion. He does not throw many balls off different arm angles or sidearm or that. That really doesn't exist in his game. So that's not one of his pluses.


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[Assistant] You know, that to me was one thing that I came back from the year to go, well, you know, it wasn't maybe his best year as far as decision making, uh, but it wasn't bad. I think where he left, you know, a lot of plays and throws on the, on the field a little bit was just purely from his throwing. His arm strength is good, but out of these quarterbacks that are in the top ten,


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[Assistant] It's towards the bottom. In fact, out of the quarterbacks we've talked today, I think it's the bottom. I would say Derek Carr's arm is stronger than the Dak Prescott's. So, for an NFL star quarterback, he's got the least power arm out of the group, in my opinion. But man, he does a lot of good things on the football field.


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[Assistant] I know, I do too. You know, again, you know, early in the year,


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[Assistant] I think they kind of feasted on some teams that were finding their way, you know, to a degree, alright. But, the injury, we were talking about Deshaun Watson early. Yeaah. Yeaah, he missed a game, and I think he couldn't practice for two weeks, and he came back and he never really found his mojo again. He did not. It was obvious too, even Cowboy fans were like,


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[Assistant] No, it wasn't. You know, again, you go to the Broncos game and on. And I know there's some good statistical games there down the stretch, but again, what I would go is he feasted on the poor in some of those good statistical games.


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[Assistant] Yeah, alright, they had the great day against the Raiders, sure. You know, the Falcons, they completely overmatched them.


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[Assistant] You know, they blew up the Washington football team when they were having fights on the sideline and being totally dysfunctional and playing like shit. And then he had huge stats and a meaningless game at the end of the year against the Eagles.


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[Assistant] You just take away the Washington Eagles game at the end of the year and you go, you're missing ten touchdowns in like a thousand yards against teams that just, the game didn't matter.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so the stats are a little misleading that way. But to your point, when he came back from the injury, that is the thing I think we saw is misthrows. A lot of misplays and throws on the field.


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[Assistant] And even to the extent like we talked about where you'd go, yeah, this was complete, but it should have been way bigger than this. But because it was off target, the guy had to slide to the ground or catch it and all that.


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[Assistant] And hey, don't forget here, you know, as good as the year was statistically in that too, think about down the stretch, the offense and defense was having a competition about who scored more touchdowns and the defense was winning for like a number of weeks.


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[Assistant] They were not that great on the offensive side of the ball, and he was not throwing.


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[Assistant] The ball all that great himself. They just got a little lucky to play some lesser teams down the stretch that, you know, help them get in the playoffs and maybe look, make their offense look a little better than it was.


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[Assistant] Okay, first two are gonna be tough. Giants aren't gonna be the same football team. I will be there that night at Giants on Monday Night Football Week 3. You're gonna be there? I'm going. I've never taken my kids to a Giants game. We're going. Oh, that's cool. Yes. Oh, that's gonna be awesome. I'm pumped for that right there. Where are you gonna sit? I don't know yet. I haven't got the tickets yet. That's sweet. I know a guy that has connections with the Giants. Yeah. I should be able to pull it off. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Oh no, no, never, never. I want to be in the thick of things and yelling and Pete's going to be there too. But yes, I want to be in, I was never a sweet guy. I want to be in the crowd and feeling the energy.


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[Assistant] I'm in the middle of the stadium. Yea, you might have a guy every now and then that's like, hey, Sims, what do you think about that play? And I go, that's stupid call. Whatever. But yea, for the most part, you're right. You're not going to get any real serious conversations. You get to feel the energy of the stadium. That's what I want. And yea, that'll be a good one. Giants, Cowboys, be pretty damn good.


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[Assistant] It is. It's a tough one there. It's like nitpicky. You know, even the guy I got in front of Dak, that was a tough decision too.


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[Assistant] I came down to one thing a little bit there with, even though Lamarr's playmaking ability is great,


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[Assistant] You know, again, I do think, okay, Dak, yes, the injuries played a little bit into his downfall too. But still, Dak makes, when you watch him, a ton of plays in the pocket. I mean, it's a lot of big throws, like I said, where...


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[Assistant] You know, again, we might not go, oh wow, but I might go, damn, most quarterbacks here just wouldn't have hung in there and made that play or that throw. That's where he does separate himself. His toughness and pure man strength.


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[Assistant] And, uh, that ability to push the ball down the field in some of those situations. And, you know, again, even though he missed a lot of throws and things and left some yards on the field, for the most part, takes care of the ball to a degree too. He's not very careless. So even when he makes bad decisions, you go, ah, that was a bad decision.


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[Assistant] He'll like, you know, he'll put the ball in a spot where it's, okay, it didn't get intercepted, even though that wasn't the best decision. There was another guy open. Right? He does that. That's where he's good in that department. Uhm, but yes, the throwing needs to improve a little bit.


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[Assistant] And, you know, again, I think the health and some of the off schedule plays that weren't as much this year, I would expect that to be better coming back, you know, just a little healthier than


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[Assistant] You know, again, we're all, they're all in the same offense. I know we got a few Lamar plays, but the team's not orchestrated just around Lamar in his running game. So that's how we're trying to judge this. Again, so it's a little bit of like, yes, it's all, it's an offense that's got a little of everything, but we're not all in on one thing for one guy.


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[Assistant] With a Shanahan or a McVeigh calling the plays here. And that's where, you know, we, uh, that's where we're at. And again, yes, I think within that, like, formula we're talking about there, and if you've got a plug-in DAC


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[Assistant] Or Lamar, and that kind of offense, then yes, I'm going to take Dak.


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[Assistant] Sorry, Addyfield. I really am. Uh, and again, it was a tough one. But, you know, like we discussed earlier, I don't know what to expect. And like I said, I'm not...


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[Assistant] I'm not totally against, and maybe the fact that I didn't think he was gonna play this year affected me a little bit. It did. But I think, you know, again, what we discussed here, hey, the guys we just talked about today are pretty damn good. Alright? And guess what? The ones that we're gonna talk about on Wednesday are even better.


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[Assistant] And yeaah, you don't play a year and no practice and all that. Yes, so sorry. That's why he ended up 13. I just, uhm, yeaah, that was a tough one. I know that was going to screw people over.


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[Assistant] Kirk Cousins had an offense that's got more talent in the passing game as far as that's concerned. You know, again, you know, Ryan Tannehill, I think it was no Derek Henry most of the year.


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[Assistant] There was AJ Brown, who was hurt, missed a few games, certainly, and then couldn't practice. And then they had no number two receiver. Leo Jones was available, like, a few games the whole year. He did nothing for them. So you gotta remember that. And again, don't always look at stats. Stats don't say it all.


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[Assistant] You know, yes, you know, again, I feel like Kirk, neither offense is incredibly quarterback friendly. I'll say that, but like.


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[Assistant] Tana Hills is less quarterback friendly than Kirk Cousins, for sure. Definitely.


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[Assistant] And, you know, then you talk about lack of talent and all those things. And again, it's not always about the stats and what's there.


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[Assistant] I, I, I would sit there and argue without, without question. One of the things that I tried to tell you and separate is when things aren't there or things aren't good, Tannahill is definitely a notch above Kirk Cousins in being able to still make it happen.


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[Assistant] Where cousins is not gonna make it happen at all. So that's, that was really the difference there.


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[Assistant] You know, they gotta maximize, they gotta play their best, certainly, yes, like, because it's, it's, it plays at like a high level all year round. You're right, they're not gonna make, wow, jaw-dropping plays all the time, you know, and then all of a sudden just throw lasers all over the field when they've been bad for a quarter or whatever else.


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[Assistant] A lot of like, well, I don't know if that even should have been completed. It got completed or man, there was a guy open by a hair down the field and boom, they got every advantage of that as well.


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[Assistant] At an extremely high level. And then also be with an aggressive in that. You know, again, that's where I go with the Kirk Cousins thing. 33 and 7. But damn, you guys lost some games and stuff because he kind of just sat back and I won't, it won't, we're not gonna lose because of me today. And like,


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[Assistant] You have to take them into account. You guys in Minnesota, to our man there, Daniel Nottingham, right?


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[Assistant] You guys lost some games and were in some games because Kirk Cousins left plays and points in yards on the field. And then you got to the fourth corner and you're like, we're in a nail biting and I want to be like, well then you should have been up by ten.


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[Assistant] But you weren't because your, your quarterback who had 12 more TDs and seven less interceptions didn't make the proper plays to put you in a spot to where you go, well, we got the game. It's on ice.


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[Assistant] I'm, I, I, yes, I think I've shown, yeaah, I think I'm showing the, again, I know, everybody thinks I'm all about arm strength, I get that. But, but I'm not. I mean, I picked Joe Burrow over Herbert to be the top quarterback. His arm isn't as strong as Justin Herbert's.


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[Assistant] You know, I'm not, I, I, I've really tried to conti- constantly adjust my thoughts.


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[Assistant] of the whole position and not just be about playmaking and throwing. But what I will say is sometimes that I think a lot of people under


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[Assistant] Don't respect that aspect enough is what I start to realize. And hey, for another guy on our list today that I probably didn't say this,


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[Assistant] You know, this is where I should have said this to this point. Derek Carr. He'd be a guy where I'd go, you know, he was a passer his whole career. This year he became a thrower.


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[Assistant] He threw some flames and some fireballs into some tight windows. It wasn't just precision pass and nice rhythm pass and timing pass. There was some, whoa, did you see that throw? And there's some of that there too. I don't know what my point of that is, but I just wanted to make that for Derek Carr.


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[Assistant] No doubt, Jonathan Matzel, that I believe I'm a better evaluator than Saban. 100% at Jonathan Matzel.


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[Assistant] One f***ing hundred percent. So how about that? You know what else? Man, I'm better than Urban Meyer too, cause he thought Dwayne Haskins was better than Joe Burrow. Like come on, don't play like, peanuts to peanuts all the time. First off, Tula has gotten better.


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[Assistant] I mean, Nattua, Hertz has gotten better, alright, for sure. He's gotten, he's become a better passer.


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[Assistant] Right? There's some of that aspect. He can stand in the pocket and take hits and do things that maybe Tua can. And he is a better runner than Tua. So, yes, for right now, I'm going to take him. He's a better leader than Tua right now and has more of an effect on his football team that way. He plays better in the elements than Tua.


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[Assistant] Okay? He plays bigger in the pocket than Tua?


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[Assistant] Is his throwing as gifted? No, I too was slick with doing things and different arm angles and hopping around the pocket. Yeaah. He's probably a little bit more of a natural thrower, but it's not by so much that it cancels out the other thing Hertz has advantage of, in my opinion.


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[Assistant] You know, and, and, you know, that's, hey, we'll see. They both have their flaws. They do. Hertz has got to be a little more surgical and accurate, definitely.


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[Assistant] Tua's gotta be a little bit more powerful and stand in the pocket and we can't look for 75,000 ways to throw the ball four yards in the flat. So yes, because of that, I still think Hertz is better than Tua right now.


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[Assistant] Right, right. Your list has been phenomenal. I'm excited for today's.


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[Assistant] I still think I'm disappointed by the last one you did.


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[Assistant] You know, would I say that he's above McCarthy and Prescott? Probably not, but do I think these guys could like do some damage? I do. Definitely. Rule is a tough SOB. There's no doubt about it. Sam!


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[Assistant] Sam is also, like first off, a bigger human than people realize. Big guy. And has a cinder block for a head.


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[Assistant] Yes. He is a giant head. Bernie Rubble-esque. It is exactly right. It is. It's a huge head. So I think he could take some shots and deliver them too. So I like that right there. And Sam Donald's grandfather, his name is Dick Hammer. So I don't know, just makes me think he's got some toughness in there.


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[Assistant] They're gritty and tough, that's for sure. I don't know, the pure power angle or strength angle is a little concerning with this group. They'd have to use their mind over their strength. They're definitely going to have to be technique or


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[Assistant] McVeigh is like a powerhouse. Powerhouse. Yes. So he's, he's like, even though like he's 5'10", he's strong as hell. He's got pecs and arms and legs and butt and everything. So there's real strength there. Stafford, like you talk about the back and all that, but like one thing, like two things kind of jumped in my mind with Stafford.


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[Assistant] First off, he's gonna have an amazing right hook. I mean, he's got an amazing right arm. So that thing's gonna hurt. And then...


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[Assistant] Stafford is tough. You say what the f*** you want about Stafford. That's a good point. I mean, he can take shots. All he did was get hit by the Detroit Lions for 12 years. You saw it. He was playing with broken back, broken fingers, hurt shoulders, hurt ankles, and he did it out of this year. So yeaah, he's a scrapper for sure. That's a great point.


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[Assistant] There's another one where I'd go, maybe you could have put him higher. You know, there's just, there's, there's some real size here. I mean, Carson is one of the biggest quarterbacks in football.


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[Assistant] I put him up there for sure. Lovey would definitely be one of those guys that go, I don't know if I want to mess with him. He's 64 and he might beat me up and that's not going to be cool for my, my reputation.


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[Assistant] I'm fighting him. Seriously, I mean that thing is Santa Claus-esque, uh, the way it looks on him. I actually love that he's sporting it.


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[Assistant] Another guy that's big, he is smart. Yes. But yes, I mean, big neck usually means weak chin. It could fall down. We've been saying it for years, you know.


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[Assistant] Hey, it is a, it's Cliffs, you know, six, three, four. He was, you know, a college quarterback. He just, like you said, still he's 42.


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[Assistant] Kyler is a freak athlete? Like yea, they could be. They would have to win.


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[Assistant] Dayball's got a little of the, you know, Irish pub fighter look. I mean definitely.


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[Assistant] Yes. I remember that. He's tough. I mean, yeaah. I mean, New York guy, Rochester, you know he's tough. And then Daniel Jones, I mean, he didn't say what you want about him as a player or whatever. One thing you can't question is his toughness. Yeaah. Nobody's been killed more in football the last three years than Daniel Jones. And like you said,


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[Assistant] Daniel Jones definitely classifies one of the guys in the list where you go, oh my gosh, I did not realize this guy is this big. I mean, it's legit big, and it's not just like, there's some muscle to it and everything there, and uh, yeaah, he'd be tough.


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[Assistant] Right? You can't. No. It's like he's Joltin' Joe over there. Mhm. You know, Slippery Joe. He can do it all. Figure out a way. Scrappy Joe.


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[Assistant] Joe's strong, he's athletic as hell, he's quick and twitchy, definitely. And Zach's, you know, again, even though you were disrespecting him last year, he was a college quarterback that played in Nebraska. He's not a real small guy either. He's a good athlete and he's young. You gotta give that something. Yes. I mean, you gotta.


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[Assistant] And Burrow was another guy that would classify as people don't realize how big he is until you see him in person.


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[Assistant] I think this is, you got this one right. This is in the right spot. I mean Arthur's a powerhouse and he's got like a little, he's got some toughness to his attitude and Mariota is like, he is big, athletic, quick, explosive. I mean, I'm not mad at this


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[Assistant] I will question his ability to stand in there and take a shot now at this age.


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[Assistant] I mean, you know his head's made of concrete and he probably likes hitting. So that's, he's a scary one for sure. And he's like, not, you know, he's a big guy, age is put on a few pounds for him, but it's not like sloppy bad. He's just a big guy. So he's got some power there. I don't, yeah, I wouldn't want to mess with Top Bulls for sure.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Brady's gonna have to be smart. Brady's gonna have to be tactical. He's gonna have to move, he's gonna have to dance, he's gonna have to jab, he's gonna have to bob and weave. Because if his hair gets messed up, or you mess up the botox in his right cheek, he might quit. So I don't know. He might quit, you're right.


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[Assistant] Definitely. He's gonna do everything he can to figure out the best way. And he's gonna send text messages to Todd Bowles saying, we will not lose these fights. We will not lose these fights.


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[Assistant] The other guy went to the ground, and he just, he


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[Assistant] That guy fell down and that was it. Oh, he was so close and he just didn't get there. He was close.


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[Assistant] There's Ahmaud. Ahmaud giving everybody work once again. He loves to do that. He loves it. Well, this was work for me right here. Yea, it was. Good. It's about time. I did just call him Ahmaud. It slipped out of my mouth. Sorry. That's what all the cool kids call him. Alright everybody, there you have it.


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[Assistant] We got Omid's 2022 Superball rankings. We got number 1 through 16, or no, no, we got, what coming up on, uh, where are we at? Tap 10?


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[Assistant] Okay, and we got number eight through number five coming for me on the Wednesday podcast.


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[Assistant] Which is four quarterbacks, even though it seems like it's three. But then Ahman will be back on Monday, and that will be the final ten of the brawl. Final five of the quarterback countdown. Wow, that's crazy. Yes sir, I think that's what it'll be. Final four. Final four, exactly. Confusing myself. No doubt.


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[Assistant] Alright, Paul's back in the chair on mon- on Wednesday. He'll be here. Please, I- I love all the questions. I don't mean to sound snarky when you ask these things. I'm sorry. That's when you're at your best. I- I know, I get snarky cause I wanted to just make my points the right way. It's good. We like that. Uh, but I love the questions. I really do. Ahmed, you the man. Thanks again for working a four day weekend. Yep.


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[Assistant] Nobody does it like you. Alright homies, be good, stay safe out there. We'll see you Wednesday. Clap it up.


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[Assistant] Hi, I'm Mike Tirico and thanks for watching. Make sure to hit subscribe for the latest news and highlights from NBC Sports.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, baby. Nobody does uncomfortable like we do. That's right. We're back. It's Chris Sims on button. Ahmed Fareed is here to-


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[Assistant] Host the show as usual on a Monday, but this is a Tuesday podcast. All right. So we're here. It's the end of the Chris Sims top 40 quarterback countdown. We're down to the final four. So that will be the big reveal today.


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[Assistant] We are down into the final ten of the Super Brawl by Ahmed Farid.


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[Assistant] Andy's got a little bit of a sore throat. It's not sore, it's just dead and tired.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'll say it for you. I'll say it for you. They are working your ass hard. Can you tell them that? I am. I'm telling them right now. Hey, NBC, you're working my friend too hard, okay? And he's losing his voice because of it.


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[Assistant] What about your day yesterday? I had a great weekend all together. I was in Boston all weekend for my little boy's national basketball tournament, which is really cool. It was good. It was a pain in the ass. I mean, I'm driving around to 11 year old basketball games all over the freaking Boston area. Okay. So that's a little unusual. It's big ask for parents. Hey, drive to Boston and while you're there,


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[Assistant] So we stayed at a hotel, the Warriors were there, right? So we got there the night of game four. And that was really cool.


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[Assistant] My kids and everybody got to meet a few family members of the Golden State Warriors. They thought that was really cool. That little boy like bonded with Draymond Green's kid in the elevator. No way. Oh, they were like little buddies for like two minutes on the elevator.


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[Assistant] So that was funny. But then yesterday, yes. So I did all that drove home from Boston on Sunday night, got to the house around eight 30, nine o'clock that night, and then had an early flight to Cincinnati yesterday to see the Joe burrow.


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[Assistant] Which was, as expected, awesome. Had you met him before? Like, just person? No, like in person was just a...


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[Assistant] Hey, what's up? Nice to meet you at the Combine when he came out in the draft. Right. And then...


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[Assistant] That was the only in-person action or interaction I'd ever had. Super Bowl? I did get to interview him.


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[Assistant] Before the Raiders playoff game on Zoom. That was the first time I ever really got to talk to him.


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[Assistant] Uh, but no, this is my first time in person, got to talk to them, got to observe them. They don't get any cooler. He's, he's got a way and if you're watching on YouTube here, right here, you're, you're going to see, I'm, I'm actually making a joke right here going, cause it's 92 degrees there with 95 degrees.


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[Assistant] Porcelain perfect skin, not sweating a drop.


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[Assistant] And I am literally, like, it's pouring off me. You can see my forehead there, to the point where he's talking to me and I can see he's not even, like,


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[Assistant] Really looking at me anymore. He's admiring the sweat coming down my face. And then you talk about like sweaty pits. Forget sweaty pits. I mean sweaty chest, sweaty belly. It was coming everywhere. I couldn't, I was embarrassed. I was like, okay, so this is why you're Joe Cool and I'm Chris Sims. It's why you wore black


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[Assistant] I wore black because of that, which was also bad because it's hot and black, but it does hide the sweat stains. I did it deliberately, but it was an awesome day with him. I've never seen a guy who can pull off


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[Assistant] I said to Mike Flory, he goes, well how would you explain it? And I said, does it make sense to say cocky humbleness? It's just, he's got a way of being very confident.


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[Assistant] And I don't, maybe cocky's not the correct word because cocky would see like, oh, he thinks he's better than that. He doesn't think that. But a self-confidence that just exudes off him. I think that would be the first thing. And then, and then, but like he's quiet and he's not looking to get attention, right?


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[Assistant] He does, definitely does not. And then when you hear him talk and he explains his life, he's not looking for extra attention and anything. He just...


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[Assistant] I would want people to, this would be a podcast that you would, yes, visuals would be big. Cause he really does get into, I didn't go into like,


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[Assistant] So, how did you rebound after the Super Bowl loss? How does the knee feel in year two? We didn't ask one question like that. I got right into like, put your hand up to me. How tall are you? How big are you? How do you grip the football?


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[Assistant] He was a two and under five guy. Oh, two and under five. And he actually said he was a two and five. He tried to go two and on top of five.


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[Assistant] Yeah, just a little bit. And then we got into all types of things. He was like, what music do you listen to? He's so honest.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, he's smart about that. Cause he did even add a few things. He's like, I think I've figured this out, but I don't want to let everybody else know. So this is, I feel good about this though. I asked him about a few things. He said, I don't want to share. So he's, he's well thought out too. That's for sure.


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[Assistant] Nope, I know. I know. No bias here. Nothing got changed just because I met with him yesterday or anything like that. The top four to me was, it's the easiest part of this whole list. I feel very comfortable about this top four. It's probably four that


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[Assistant] You know, again, I think we talked about these four a ton last year. I'm always being asked to watch what happened in their game, in this game, in this game. And we watched a ton of these quarterbacks. So I feel like I know these guys like they're part of the family. And of course, because they're so good, I study them extra hard anyways.


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[Assistant] The tier part of it, but as you started to say it, I just kind of thought about, and yeah, I think these four are a notch above. I do. These four right here to me.


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[Assistant] And to me, that's where they're special. Let alone...


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[Assistant] There's no plays or yards left on the field. It's almost the exact opposite more times than not where you go, oh my gosh, they should have gotten no yards and they got a 40 yard gain? What?


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[Assistant] He should have been sacked for a 12 yard loss, he got a 30 yard completion? Like that's, they're the opposite of some of the guys we've talked about. Nobody's open! Oh my gosh, he got that ball in there?


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[Assistant] I mean, that's what you say when you watch these guys. And, you know, again, not that Rogers can't do that.


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[Assistant] But Rogers to me just plays it a little bit more careful than these guys, let alone he's older and not maybe able to do some of the things outside the pocket that these guys can do right now.


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[Assistant] I'm glad we did it this way too, because I don't know if people realize it, so then may the natural answers come in.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm not gonna say that there is here. You know, I think our top two are, you know...


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[Assistant] We'll talk about that in a minute. I don't want to give any inside peeks there. I'll reference back to this little graphic in a few minutes, Courtney, to talk about it even more.


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[Assistant] Some things there that I, I certainly would like to discuss, but yeah, I like these four a lot. And these are to me, the, the guys, the future of the NFL here. I know that we got some other guys that have the potential that, but we're talking about four here that it's like, no.


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[Assistant] They're, they're now and they're down the road for years to come where we're gonna go, these guys are in the top QB convo for the next six or eight years, these guys right here. No doubt about it. So let's do it. Let's do it.


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[Assistant] What up, baby? Look at me, man. I'm, I'm pimping there, I guess. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm, I'm Kramer. I think that's who I was, actually. But Joe Burrow, okay, he doesn't wear coats that crazy. Not like Kramer just had on. But Joe Burrow will be coming in at number four. I mean,


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[Assistant] Joe's the man, I don't know what to say. The guy, the thing I would start off with to say is, the guy can just play.


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[Assistant] Period. That's what I come down to. I think last year I said he's the natural, or when he was coming out. That's what I look at. I don't know if there's one area I look at and go, he's the best at that in football, but in every area I look at, I go, whoa, well, Joe Burrow's at the, towards the top.


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[Assistant] The other thing I want to say, you know, again, he would be the ultimate. Can be surgical and run the system and almost be like his idol in life, Drew Brees, where you can just go, oh my gosh, it's just one accurate, perfect throw after another. But then...


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[Assistant] The ability to throw with pressure on him, or like we talk about so much, and you know very important to me, uhm, it is just protection breaks down, people aren't open, and the off schedule stuff.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's through the roof. It's through the roof really with all four of these guys. He is really good in that area. Maybe he's actually better in this area than the guy we're going to talk about at number three in a minute, in a minute.


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[Assistant] Burrow's ability to move in the pocket, arguably the best in the whole league. Working the pocket.


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[Assistant] Working the pockets, sliding to the right spots, avoiding a sack, and then being in a throwing position and still throwing, and you go, man, he moved a lot, but he didn't really move anywhere. He just stayed in this little area here and still got a big play.


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[Assistant] That's where he is like, through the roof good. He really is. He is the most slippery mofo in football when it comes to avoiding sacks and doing that. And then, you know, last but not least, just to speak to him a little bit.


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[Assistant] And this is two years in a row we've seen this and of course the other guy did this is in the top four we're going to be talking about. And to me this is where it's special.


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[Assistant] So he went to the, the Super Bowl with the worst Super Bowl offensive line in the history of the sport. To me, you have to be special to get there when it's like,


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[Assistant] Your team's in the combo for maybe the bet worst pass protecting O-line in football, but hey, you're in the Super Bowl. They're in the Super Bowl for one reason. Borough smarts get the ball to my hands quick.


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[Assistant] Right? Oh wait, let me change the protection and then let me just make magic happen even though people are bearing down on me. Oh, I'll take the shot and get crushed and make the throw or I'll make the guy miss and be slippery Joe and make a play outside of the pocket or in the pocket. I mean, come on. What do you got to say? I mean, the same thing with Mahomes the year before.


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[Assistant] One of the poor offensive lines in football, pass protect in the last half of that year, they still go to the Super Bowl. It just speaks to these guys and what they can do on their own. Uh, but yes, it's brains, it's brawn.


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[Assistant] Power and accuracy, you know, along with touch. I mean, like I said, he's just a natural and of course he's clutch gene to go along with it and has a great leadership.


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[Assistant] Uh, leadership and, and, and, you know, what do I want to say? Influence on his football team because of the man he is.


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[Assistant] Number one thing is arm strength. And that's something I got into him with yesterday and we'll talk about it. It improved. It improved. So that's where, you know, again, where people go, you can't improve arm strength or whatever. Bullshit.


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[Assistant] Like, bullshit. We've seen plenty of quarterbacks get better in those areas here. And Burrow, he assessed after year one,


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[Assistant] Here's the interesting thing, yeaah. Year one he said he missed some throws where he goes, I just, if I had more power I would have got it. And then he realized the elements in the AFC North were going to be an issue. And that he had to throw the ball with more power to cut through the wind in some of these stadiums and all that. Right, right? So that was a really cool little nugget he gave me. And I think,


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[Assistant] You know, that's where he went back and he started to go, all right, so what do I do here to kind of improve in this area? And he did. He, he worked with Jordan Palmer and they got after a little bit. And I think the thing I saw was, hey, one, a guy that was maybe more assured of himself within the offense and everything that way.


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[Assistant] You know, I think they played a better style too of, you know, maybe.


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[Assistant] You know, play action pass, protect it, let him throw the ball down the field a little bit, but the arm strength I think is the biggest thing I look at. We saw a lot of the things we saw last year in year one. It's just I think he grew, he got smarter.


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[Assistant] And he improved in that area to where I think it just, the wow throws and wow plays went way up and they were game changers throughout the year for the Bengals.


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[Assistant] You're, you're right. I still think though, if they have another good receiver, let's say they didn't draft Jamar Chase and they drafted Penny Sewell, right? And then they took a receiver at the top of the second round. I still think their offense would have been extremely dangerous and we would have seen what we need to see with Joe Burrow.


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[Assistant] What happens with Jamar Chase and guys like that sometimes is it's not necessarily


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[Assistant] It doesn't necessarily like, oh man, he's helping Joe Burrow. What it really does in my eyes is goes, look, now everything's available for him and it shows you what he's capable of. That's the way I think I look at it a little bit more, where now it's just like, whoa, these opportunities and oh shit, he can take advantage of all of them. Look at this guy, he's unreal.


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[Assistant] So, yes, he did help him statistically and the way it looked and the sexiness of all that, sure, but I still think if they got a...


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[Assistant] Another good receiver without Jamar Chase. We're still looking at one of the best quarter racks in football and one of the better offenses in football. And to your point with the completion percentage and then the yards per attempt, like to me, when you said that and some of those names there,


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[Assistant] Man, those are impressive names. And to me, I look at the Brady one in 2007 and him as being like, really impressive because


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[Assistant] It's pretty aggressive down the field passing. This is not like.


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[Assistant] This was not like, oh, the whole offense is around like, you know, maybe Drew Brees and Sean Payton and we're just going to dissect you six and eight yards at a time. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm not trying to say anything bad about that, but this was different where it's like, whoa, he's, he's dropping back and looking for the 20 yard in cut. Whoa, it's one on one and he's,


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[Assistant] He's throwing a bomb to Jamar Chase. Even though the concept was open over here, he's gonna take Jamar, cause he's aggressive.


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[Assistant] You know, he's going to throw a 30 yard back shoulder. You know, he's going to scramble and then throw a 40 yard post down the middle and still throw for 70%. That's where it's a special. And then, and then Ahmed, the guys you just talked about had amazing offensive lines.


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[Assistant] And this guy did it with none of that. And that's where, to me, it's another level. And you don't really appreciate how awesome he is, and I probably say this a lot about a lot of the good quarterbacks, but just when you start to watch, how many times you go, oh,


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[Assistant] He was under pressure in that game a lot more than I gave him credit for at the time. Holy shit, this is 7 throws in a row, he's been under pressure and they've gotten a first down on. And you go, you kind of block it out and take it for granted after a while because he's so good and natural at it. So, uh, Joe B, he's the man, there's no doubt.


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[Assistant] At the time I said really the way he played warranted higher than 17 but because of the injury and I wasn't sure where he would be at early in the year and everything there and that's why I made him 17.


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[Assistant] I, I, I do think it's significant. You know, I do. I mean, got to see Ted Karras yesterday. He looked good, and you could tell Joe was happy to have him. I, I look at their old line, and yeah, I mean, it's a, you know, we brought up Mahomes in Kansas City, and this is the kind of adjustment they made after they lost the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] That's the only guy. The lone holdover. The only holdover, and he's the only guy that's worth being a Holder. Jackson Carmen started, uhm, I pretty, you know, pretty early in the year. And then he got hurt, and he came out, and he's young.


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[Assistant] So he's kind of a, a holdover slash now going to be a staple, but I think that's a significant improvement. I'm not going to say it goes from like what Kansas City did with getting like, you know, Orlando Brown and Joe Tooney and drafting a second round guard out of Oklahoma, I mean, center out of Oklahoma, but I still think that's going to change their football team. And you know, one, yeah, you're going to get Joe Burrow more time. Oh yeah.


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[Assistant] Okay, he's not gonna be under pressure as much, and now we're gonna let T Higgins and Jamar Chase run down the field even more, so we don't have to worry about always getting the ball out of our hands quickly. Oh, three! Now, Joe Mixon's gonna actually have holes on a weekly basis. And now you're gonna have to worry about the play action even being scarier off of that, which they were pretty good at play action to begin with, without a run game.


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[Assistant] So, that's where I think Omid, to your point, and especially in the AFC North, that's where it's gonna be huge. Again, that's another thing I think we'd like to say.


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[Assistant] No, it's not a guarantee. It's probably the number one question asked for me in Cincinnati yesterday. In the airport, in the car ride to the facility.


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[Assistant] Like, are we good? Can we go back to the Super Bowl? And I just like, oh listen, you know, you're gonna be good. This is what I kept saying to them, like, hey I don't know if you're gonna make a playoff run and get to the Super Bowl, I don't know. But I do know this, you're gonna be in the conversation here for a time, for a time here. Like, you're not going anywhere.


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[Assistant] So, like, even if they were to miss, have a Super Bowl let down and miss out on the playoffs, I thought, we're talking like 9 and 8 or whatever, you know what I mean? I don't think, they, their roster is real, there's real confidence there, it's hard to find a real weak spot.


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[Assistant] You know, they're coached well on both sides of the football. So, like, they're gonna be relevant for a while. And I would think, in my heart of hearts, I wanna say, yea, they're gonna be more than relevant. They're gonna be a playoff team that's gonna be dangerous every year. That's kinda how I feel. But, like you said, it's a real division, and those, it's maybe the most talented division in football.


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[Assistant] That's what a great quarterback does. That's exactly right. You don't have to have a great quarterback to win the Super Bowl, but the great quarterback covers a lot of holes.


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[Assistant] So it can get you through parts of the season, like you're saying. If we're struggling, the offensive line's hurt, a few receivers are hurt, and you come away from a four game stretch where we're going, we were less than, we went three and one. Why'd you go three and one? Cause our quarterback's awesome. That's how we survive that. That's what the great quarterback can do. He can keep you in that conversation. And even to last year, you know, you look at last year and you break it down.


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[Assistant] They, even in their losses, there's only one game that they weren't in, and that was the Cleveland Brown game at home. Other than that, I mean, they're, you know,


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[Assistant] Chance to win the game. I mean, nobody just kind of dominated them other than the Browns on that day. And I think that was the week after OBJ got released or traded or released from the Browns. But yeah, I think we got a really good football team with young talent and real belief behind them.


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[Assistant] Because of this guy, of course, but the rest of the team is damn good too. It's coming along. Justin Herbert, he is the number three quarterback in football. I mean him, Joe Burrow, I mean they're incredible talents, we know that. The thing I would say about Justin Herbert,


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[Assistant] Probably the best pure thrower of the football in the NFL. Alright? When I'm talking about you're in the pocket and he's got...


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[Assistant] You know, a clean lane and he's protected. I don't know if there's anybody better at hitting the bullseye with power throws, any type of throw.


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[Assistant] Then, Justin Herbert. He loses no control of the football. I mean, he of course has an incredible arm. Incredible. Uhm, and that's where, I mean, he separates himself. I mean, again, now, like,


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[Assistant] I'm not sure anyone's more consistent in the pocket when things are clean of that, like I said, making unreal, on the ball, on the money type throws, you know. Maybe the best arm in the NFL. It's close.


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[Assistant] Two of the guys we got coming up here are also in that conversation, but if somebody came to me and went, I think Justin Herbert has the strongest arm in football, I wouldn't go, you're crazy. I'd go, yes, I understand that.


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[Assistant] He falls off his back foot and throws 65 yard posts with ease for touchdowns. He rolls to the right and throws posts back across the field 62 yards with ease for touchdowns. He is the ultimate size as a skill guy.


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[Assistant] And I know people hear me say that again, but this is a guy that, like Dak Prescott and Brady, there is, you know, the ability to throw over the line.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, people around you like Dak Prescott and still make high quality throws are amazing. The decision making is off the charts there.


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[Assistant] The ability to control the ball over the middle of the field and throw the ball in the tight windows might be the best in football in that category as well. Because of his size, he sees so well over the middle. He's a little more willing to kind of put it into some questionable spots that way. We know he's a great athlete.


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[Assistant] I would say it's actually one of my things that I would come away and go, it's a little bit of a negative. He needs to use this athleticism more.


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[Assistant] Sometimes he is so big, he just goes, I'm gonna stand there and make the damn throw.


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[Assistant] And you go, uh, get out of the pocket here. Buy some time. Threaten the line of scrimmage. You're too fast. You're too good of an athlete to just stand there and I hope he's going to come open down the middle. That's maybe one of the negatives, but still more times than not, even on those plays, he stands in there and you go, oh, look at that laser for a big throw.


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[Assistant] That's where he's really, really special. Negatives, you know, again, maybe just holds on to the first receiver too long and I'm just gonna jam it in there, right? Maybe a little bit of that.


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[Assistant] Maybe I should have said this about Burrow. Anticipation could probably be a little bit better, because Burrow's great at anticipating. Guy's not out of his break yet. Let me just throw a little touch ball. Herbert, he is a little bit of a, I want to see him come out of the break, and then I'll, uh, throw it in there.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's nitpicky with the negatives. He's a phenomenal football player and it's just, you know, it's just going on an upward trajectory.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean really, with Burrow and Herbert, those are two guys. Again, that's where I'm trying to learn from these second year guys a little. That...


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[Assistant] I feel like I got Herbert about close to right last year. And Burrow, I think, I even said I think at the time, I think


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[Assistant] If hadn't hurt his knee, he probably would have been right around that area too. Cause you like Burrow coming out of college better than Justin Herbert. I loved him. I did. I did. And I loved the way Burrow played last year before he hurt his knee. You know, I mean, there was a lot of circumstances that maybe made things not look great at times, but they weren't his fault.


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[Assistant] The biggest thing to him, not that there was one area where it's not going to be anything where I can go, oh, he improved his touch, or just to me, you know, he had to learn a system for the second time and just became a little bit more, you know, I guess


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[Assistant] consistent with the intermediate and shorter throws maybe than he was in year one.


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[Assistant] And I think again, I think that's just reps and playing.


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[Assistant] And seeing the field a little bit better. We saw all the magical things in the year one, right? We saw all the big, deep bombs and great throws and wow, wow, wow.


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[Assistant] You know, year one, yeah, there was, I think some other things on first and second down completions where you'd go, oh, I wish you would have made a better decision or I wish you would have got off this guy and not tried to throw it 140 miles per hour into this guy's chest and do a window the size of a keyhole and tried to go to the other guy.


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[Assistant] To me, this, that's where he improved in year one to year two. The physical ability was apparent, there's no doubt about that, but, you know, that's where he's got a...


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[Assistant] He can really play with the offense and do it the right way.


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[Assistant] And do that and make plays within the offense, like where, you know, again, it's just like, hey, the post isn't really part of this conversation, but he got to it and made a big play. He's great at that. Like I said, the off the schedule stuff.


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[Assistant] Right. Break the rules, and like, you know, you talk about sometimes like the quarterback who runs, right, and he's of course gonna look to run when things go bad. You know, this is the opposite. The guy with the great arm, he's just always like,


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[Assistant] He's going to come open. There's going to be a spot for me to throw it. And he just, you can stay on him too long and go, I'm going to fit it in there. I'm going to fit it in there. I'm going to fit it in there. And that's where he's got to break out of that a little bit. And I think that's, you know, he's very capable of doing that.


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[Assistant] No. They're not game changers to me. I mean of course we want to take care of the football. And not all are created equal. Exactly right. Not are all created equal.


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[Assistant] Well, his 15 I think go into the category of a little bit of what I was just discussing.


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[Assistant] Just trying to jam some balls in sometimes, or just because my arm's so great. And then, you know, again, they're a big play offense. Kinda just like the Bengals are. So, I think the time, maybe you'll lose a little too hair, like, aggressive that way. But, you know.


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[Assistant] They ask a lot of them, just like we're talking about with all these guys. And their offense, they weren't a great running football team. They had to make it happen with Justin Herbert and the receivers they got there.


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[Assistant] And that's to me where, you know, again, he was asked to be aggressive and oh, it's fourth down, you know, you gotta fit a ball in here and make something happen.


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[Assistant] Uh, the defense wasn't all that good. So that lends them into some games of going, I gotta push the envelope, we gotta throw the ball out here today.


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[Assistant] You know, it's a little bit like the Matt Stafford Lions conversation a little bit. They played a game last year where that's the way the game was. And if he didn't take some chances and be some, be aggressive, they weren't going to win the game. And sometimes that bit them in the ass. But uhm,


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm glad we get here, cause like,


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[Assistant] Out of the top four, I think he's the least in this category. And not to say that he doesn't have an effect on his football team, but he seems more like he's the silent assassin type.


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[Assistant] Where it's just, he goes about his business, he doesn't say a whole lot, he leads by example, he shows everybody, hey, I'm really good, and I do everything right.


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[Assistant] You know, follow my lead and things will go right. I think he's that way a little bit. But yes, do I feel like it's maybe the burro magic or that? No, I think he's a little bit more of a understated guy that way.


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[Assistant] At the very least, he's still one of those guys now that...


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[Assistant] The Chargers walk on the field and go, dude, we got Justin Herbert, we can win today. I don't care who it is, what it is, whatever. We can play with anybody because of the things you said just a minute ago. And that's what the great quarterback can do. Oh, we got no run game, so what? Oh, we're playing shitty defense today, so what?


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[Assistant] You know, it just doesn't matter. Ten will throw lasers all over the field and he'll make it happen. And more times than not, he did.


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[Assistant] It's so, when you go back, and even just some of the ones where you go, oh, the pocket's clean, and you just go, well damn, that guy was barely open. Shit, he got it in there. First down, 15 yard gain. It's just, it's so much of that, and it's down the field, and it's,


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[Assistant] You know, like big time throws. And of course with the quick game stuff and all that, he's very good too. His release isn't quite as quick as Joe Burroughs.


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[Assistant] You know, Burrow, who doesn't have a ton of arm angles, has a few more arm angles than Herbert, who doesn't have that. But yes, I think it's that. It's, he's got a little maybe advantage in the game-changing throw department than Joe Burrow, and that's probably why I gave him the nod at three over Burrow.


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[Assistant] He is. He's, it's, it's, it's, well all four of these guys are cool under pressure. But these two young guys, especially Burrow and Herbert, the fact that they've shown to be this cool this early in their career, you know, that's, that's, that's a pretty special trait. And, uh, yeah, Herbert's, he's, he's got it all. There's just, there's nothing about him to not like.


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[Assistant] Uh, again, I think we kind of hit on the negatives and all of that, but man, it's a superstar that's going to be around for a long, long time. Throws perfect spirals, so it's easy to catch football. And then when you do blitz them and do all that stuff too, even though I want to see him scramble and do some more there, he is amazing.


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[Assistant] Did you go back and forth? Always hard. Always. Sleepless nights. Not sleepless nights. I think this was a year where I think I clearly thought the guy I put at one was one. I did. It just says the guy at two


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[Assistant] Is amazing. These are the two best players in the NFL. And again, if you listen to the podcast, you know, through and through, you're, you probably know where this ranking is going. I've made some proclamations at the end of the year and things like that. So, uh, you should know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, these two are, one, unlike the other guys, have kinda done it for a few years here. To where it's like, okay, it's good. And then, they've shown you everything. I mean, they can do it all.


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[Assistant] And I think like we talk about with Burrow and Herbert and what the effect they have on their team. These guys have an incredible effect on their football team. And then a sex appeal and showmanship that I think leads the NFL as well. And magic can happen with these two guys. So it's tough.


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[Assistant] Is Josh Allen of the Buffalo Bills. That is the number one quarterback in football right now. And we'll discuss him in a minute and we'll get into it. But that is number one. And it's not easy. Again, these are like


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[Assistant] These are like, I feel like my, like I'm a proud papa of these two. I was the guy that went out on a limb when they came out in the draft and were like, no, this guy's the number one pick in the draft and that guy's the number one quarterback in this draft.


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[Assistant] And I took a lot of crap over it. I love both of these guys. Uh, and they're clearly, in my opinion, this, the two top guys in the sport and, and maybe the two most fun to watch in the sport too. Uh, and that's what makes it awesome. So let's get to number two.


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[Assistant] Yes, that's right. Patrick Mahomes, number two right now. I mean, we're talking about, yea, already a first-ballot Hall of Famer. And to me, already, I mean, one of the greats of the greats. I mean, we're already at that with him. Alright? He's the coolest quarterback in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Probably the most fun to watch in the NFL. I think that's where you talk about his creativity and deliveries and the way he plays is unlike anybody else in the sport. Alright, that's where he's just different.


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[Assistant] You know, and I mean come on, you can watch 10 throws in a row of this guy and go, he didn't really throw one throw normal. One was sidearm flick, the other one was across his body, this one the legs were cockeyed and he just threw it and I mean he's all over the place but it doesn't really matter because the ball's on the money more times than not. I mean that's where he's amazing.


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[Assistant] Deliveries, quick release, finding like awkward holes to throw the ball through, where you go, ooh no, man he's, the pocket's collapsing here, this guy's open, but how's he gonna get the ball? And he finds some way to get it through the guard and tackle gap there, on the money.


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[Assistant] I mean that, that's where it's crazy. It's one of the best arms in the league. He is...


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[Assistant] Of course, got great effect and leadership on his team, like we talked about. I mean, you got Patrick Mahomes. Oh wait, there's 4.2 seconds and we're down by a touchdown. We got a chance. It's Mahomes. We got a chance. So it's 4.2. They left too much on the, on the clock. I mean, that, that's where we are with the guy, you know, and then, um,


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[Assistant] Great touch. You know, I think that's one thing, like people talk about his arm. The one thing when I come back and watch him a little bit, you know,


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[Assistant] And like where I talked about Herbert who doesn't have anticipation, Mahomes has an incredible arm but does anticipate. He does. He can just lay a ball out there on a 20 yard out route and the guy's still running straight up the field and just about to break outside and they turn around and it's like the ball's there. And he threw a slow, you know,


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[Assistant] Change up that got out there and was writing the money or just his ability to Travis Kelsey running a deep cross and he's


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[Assistant] It did, but I still will contend that I do think it looked a hair slower.


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[Assistant] They weren't gonna say it, I know his toe was a concern for them a little bit. So I do think he like, lost a little bit. But as the year went on, you know, because I, I, I spent this time week, this weekend again, watching these again, where you go,


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[Assistant] Oh yea, towards the end of the year, he definitely was running better than early on in the year. And when we talk about the scrambling, he is one of the best scramblers in football. Do you want to cough?


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[Assistant] I hate that. I know. I would hate that if I was it. That's what I meant to say. I know you cause I can see you're like, I might need more tea and more honey. All right. But, but he's an incredible scrambler, but why he's number two is


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[Assistant] him in the pocket this year was not good. We had a lot of games, if you remember, where not good. It was not good for his standards. And then really, and there was a few games where I would go, it was not good actually for a lot of quarterback standards. Like I would go this, this was, he was bad.


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[Assistant] You know, I know, I don't think you were here the week, the Tennessee Titan game. They lost in Tennessee and they were down 27-3 or whatever at one point in the football game. You know, that's one game that jumps out to me. And there's a lot in every game where you see it. Where...


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[Assistant] Step up in the pocket or why are you floating this way? There's the pockets perfect. Why, why are you floating backwards and like literally backpedaling into trouble? Right. There's a lot of that last year.


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[Assistant] He, he got a little bit too backyard-y last year in my opinion. Where we just talked about Justin Herbert and I wanna go, I wish he would play a little bit more backyard football. Mahomes, I would go, I wish he would be just a little bit more like Justin Herbert and like stay in the pocket just a hair more and play it by the book. He was too aggressive with decisions down the field.


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[Assistant] But I think between those two things, he had a little bit of a down year. He was a little careless with the football at times. And I think that's why I gave the edge to Josh Allen as being the number one guy.


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[Assistant] Patrick Mahomes is what you saw last year. Yeah, I still think he's right here in this conversation. He's, he's still...


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[Assistant] He's still too, like, wowing and makes too many good plays and, you know, even I'm being, again, we're being picky when I talk about not being good in the pocket or being too aggressive.


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[Assistant] Maybe only Josh Allen could do this today. That's it. There's nobody. But I do think you saw some glimpses too of when he plays it by the book a little bit, he can really be surgical.


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[Assistant] Uhm, one of my two games I was gonna t- The Raiders game!


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[Assistant] I know he had to beat it in his brain all week, they're not gonna give you the big play. You're gonna have to settle for the underneath stuff and be patient and do that.


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[Assistant] And he kind of accepted it in those games and was surgical and was awesome. Completion percentage, the right decisions, the right throws, and then of course made the splattering of, you know, big plays. But that to me was the best.


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[Assistant] There was too many other games where it was like, well, they're not that good on defense. I'm going to fit this 45 yard sidearm throw in there. Oh, it was incomplete. Oh, there's another one incomplete. Oh shit. We're putting what's wrong with Kansas city's team today. They're, they're a little off kilter here, Jim. Oh, well they're not.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeaah, I think that's what, you know, I came back to more times than not with him.


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[Assistant] Below average. Very little. Right. You can see here, teams, I think to your point, you're right. They took away a lot of the deep stuff. So therefore he had to settle for


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[Assistant] You know, Michael Hardman underneath, or, or, you know, Travis Kelsey in the red on the, the, the image on the right there, and, you know, all those red in the middle, I would think the majority of those are Kelsey over the middle. Wait, they took away Kel-, uh, Hill Deep. They took away Michael Hardman Deep. Alright, here's Kelsey underneath.


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[Assistant] Boom, it was that. You see a lot of the throws in the backfield. Again, to the backs and all that. But as we, as I discussed last week, again where


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[Assistant] You know, people are gonna look at it and go, well, yards completion weren't that great. Yes, I know that. You know, I've heard people try to push back, well, his yards completion weren't, you know, big. It wasn't huge. Yes, but it's...


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[Assistant] They weren't huge because of what he can do. It wasn't they were like, well we gotta call a lot of short passes because our quarterback can't throw the ball deep and he can't do that. No, they had to throw it short because everybody is so sick of seeing him throw bombs over their heads to Tyree Kill that


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[Assistant] The league figured out how to stop that and it made him have to be more patient, except he just wasn't more patient all the time. And, uh, I think that's why really again, he's number two, but this, this guy is awesome.


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[Assistant] I don't think it's gonna look a lot different. I think what we'll do is the fact that Hill's not there, a little bit like we talked about with Watson and DeAndre Hopkins a few years ago.


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[Assistant] I think it'll get him off of him a little bit and go, let me just get to the offense instead of like, let me see if I can make magic happen and make a big play with Tyreek. I think that's the biggest thing. I think also it's going to make him utilize.


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[Assistant] The system itself a little bit more, instead of looking for the guy in the matchup, right?


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[Assistant] You know, oh gosh here, he's running down the middle as Tyreek against a safety that's not as good or whatever. I think I should just throw it because he's better than that guy or even though the guy's in good coverage or I think he'll play it by the book a little bit more. I think he's going to spread the ball out a little bit more. And I think really it could end up being a little bit more of an effective offense in some ways. We'll see where it goes.


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[Assistant] You know, again, because I don't, it's not like they're losing a, I don't, I still think this is gonna be a pretty good receiving group. I'm one of those that thinks it's gonna be. So we'll see where it goes.


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[Assistant] Any worse. That's where I will say. I don't. I don't think it's gonna be any worse.


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[Assistant] Skymore's about 5'10 as well. I've met him in person, 5'10, 5'11. But yea, the Valdez scaling, I think is real. I think, you know, again, I mean, I think he's a more dangerous receiver than Brian Pringle or Demarcus Robinson, so I think that's an upgrade. And then a Juju, to me, is like,


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[Assistant] Almost like a awesome pass catching tight end that just got more speed. He's gonna work the middle of the field. He's gonna be tough over the middle. He's not afraid of contact. He'll help you out there. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw in Kansas City,


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[Assistant] A little more emphasis on the six and eight yard completions. Even though they're never going to abandon their, you run deep and you run deep and you run deep.


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[Assistant] But I think with Juju, alright, and being a pretty good route runner and being good in that area, we know Kelsey's great in that area, Sky more to me.


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[Assistant] Is a little unlike anybody they've had to this point. Who is 510? He is 510.


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[Assistant] Real slot receiver. You know, the jitterbug can read and make all the sharp, you know, tight cuts and all that.


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[Assistant] To where I just look at what they got and go, man, guys like Skymore and Juju, they're good at that stuff. They are. And so is Kelsey.


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[Assistant] To where I could see them maybe having a little bit more offensive, finding the five and eight yard completion. And then, oh shit, they're picking us apart with the five and eight. And then you go, oh shit, there goes Valdez Scanling or McCole Hardman over our heads.


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[Assistant] I could see that being a little bit more, instead of, instead of, it was the opposite lash the last few years. Just go deep, go deep, go deep, and when they get so deep, we'll finally throw it short. I could see them this white year going, intermediate, short, immediate, short. Okay, they're starting to creep up, guys. Unleash the Mahomes bomb. And then it's shkrrrrr.


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[Assistant] Touchdown! Kanzasiller! So that, that's maybe it.


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[Assistant] It was very difficult last year. It was. You know, to your point, I mean, I remember last year coming down the schedule going, damn, can Kansas City really for a fourth year in a row come out and be like one of the top teams in the AFC? And my answer to the one this year is yes, they can. They'll, I just would be shocked.


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[Assistant] They're ahead of the curve. Their team is in a good spot. You know, they changed over their team in the midst of Super Bowl runs. A little like...


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[Assistant] New England used to do, where you'd go, they're kind of rebuilding and still going to AFC championship games. What is going on? Why is the rest of the league rebuild and we all fall off and Brett Veach and Andy Reed are retooling and kind of turning over the team and nothing's changed. We still look at them and go, Oh shit, here comes Kansas city.


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[Assistant] So, I mean, I don't worry about them. One, they're a tougher, more physical team than people give them credit for. It's one thing I always try to say to people, because we think about them passing and greatest show on turf and all that. But, in the trenches?


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[Assistant] Nobody ever overpowers Kansas City. Nobody. And they're as good now as they've ever been in both sides there. So I just look at that and go, hey, they'll be okay. And of course it's Mahomes and Andy Reid and company and a lot of good players on that football team to where


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[Assistant] Playoffs for sure. And then just, we'll see after that because the AFC with some of these teams and quarterbacks is going to be a lot of fun to watch.


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[Assistant] It hurt, it hurt my heart. It was like a sad thing to say, you know, because really even in 2019, I think I made them two and I was that year I made Rogers one and I was really like, man, this is freaking close. And it was like, I gave Rogers the edge by a hair.


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[Assistant] So I mean we're really like in a year, this is the first time that yeaah, I mean this is the first time in 3 years, really like 4 years, even that year I think I could have made like Rodgers 1 and Mahomes 1A. So yeaah, we'll see where this goes, uh, but he's frictionless.


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[Assistant] I don't even know what to say. Uh, but Josh Allen is the best quarterback in the NFL right now. There's no doubt. He is the guy that I would take right off the bat. No one has asked more to do more for their team or carry their team more on a weekly basis than Josh Allen.


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[Assistant] Again, out of the top four quarterbacks we're talking about here, definitely the least talent around him. No doubt about it. It's, it's not even close, everybody. Alright? You talk about the physical ability, it's arguably the best, it's the strongest arm in football. Him and Herbert and Mahomes are the strongest arms in the game. And I think when you really ask somebody to just throw it,


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[Assistant] Alright, if the pocket was clean and you said, okay, let's throw it as hard as we can, Herbert and Alan to me would be really close and interesting.


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[Assistant] Or like I gotta move and then set up my feet real quick. He can still throw it extremely hard where I feel like the other guys maybe lose just a little bit.


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[Assistant] So, it's the best arm in football. You know, especially most dynamic maybe that way too. Alright. Then, oh wait, the other part of the skill set. I didn't even get into this with Mahomes because he's a great runner too.


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[Assistant] A great scrambler. We talked about the pocket thing. But Allen, other than Lamar Jackson, is the best running quarterback in football. There's, this, I don't even think that's debatable. Again, Kyler Murray, I know, maybe more electric.


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[Assistant] You're not asking Kyler Murray to run over the middle linebacker on third and two like they asked Josh Allen to do like six times a game. And then they get in the goal line and they're like, you know, we can't really run with our running back, so you be the running back and you just get in there. I mean, nobody. And then like if you talked about with the talent around him, again, Stephon Diggs is the man. We know that. Gabriel Davis,


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[Assistant] Is good. Everybody's got the last game of the year a little too in their head and now they put him in the top 10 wide receiver conversation. And it's like, no, no, he caught 500 yards of balls last year. He was fourth on his own team.


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[Assistant] So calm down with like, they got this amazing weaponry. I like him, again. Cole Beasley, bye. Out of there, didn't really matter last year. Emmanuel Sanders,


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[Assistant] Gonna be on a new team, still a free agent at this point. So how great do you think he was that nobody still has assigned him, right? So that's again, where don't just look at the stats and all that, because the stats, you're not, you're not gonna look at him and go, well, he's the best quarterback of all the stats.


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[Assistant] Put Tom Brady in Buffalo or in Cincinnati and tell me how that's gonna go there, right? And that's where, you know, these guys are special that way. That's not a knock on Brady. It's just, that's the way it is. But yes, I think that's, you know, again,


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it's, it's, they've based the organization, like Mahomes in Kansas City, and just going,


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[Assistant] We're playing through our quarterback, and we'll even adjust the way we play defense, and we're just gonna attack you with this guy, and we're never gonna let off the gas pedal. It's just gonna be Josh Allen to the right, Josh Allen to the left, Lazer down the middle, Lazer down the sideline, and to me, where he separates from a Holmes a little bit right now is,


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[Assistant] He can play within the offense a little bit more consistently than Mahomes. You know, where we talked about where I go, Mahomes is just a little too greedy at times, looking for the big play, looking for the splash play.


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[Assistant] Why we leaving the pocket? We don't have to. I don't come away with Josh Allen and doing that. When the pocket's good, the big fucker will just stand there all day and go, I'm here.


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[Assistant] But he's got a great sense of going, okay, it's nobody's opener, it's getting a little hairy, now it's time for backyard football. And within the pocket, he moves the right spots there too. So that's where he's really good. And to me, you know, again, he's a big arm quarterback to where he can get greedy at times, but I honestly think he was


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[Assistant] He's less greedy than Herbert or Mahomes and sometimes just going, I'm gonna jam it in there.


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[Assistant] You know, like I said, he'll, okay, the first guy wasn't open, let me guy, guy over the middle, number two, number three read, boom, blah, blah, blah. So to me, he's really good in that area too. His weakness is yes, throwing the ball too hard at times. There's too many.


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[Assistant] Balls where I go, damn he's six feet from you. Throw it, slow it down a little bit. And he goes, I did. He probably did, I know. Still gotta go slower. Like three more notches down.


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[Assistant] That would be the thing, you know, I would say a little bit. That, you know, maybe too many hits at times are the things that scare me. But man.


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[Assistant] You know, really, this is a guy that's been playing really high level football for the last two seasons.


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[Assistant] He rivaled Mahomes even in the 2020 season, and I think this year is the year he passed him up just slightly with, again, what I'm saying is being more consistent, you know, the ability with the legs, I think a hair better decision maker right now, and then the wow in splash plays


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[Assistant] Are right there with Mahomes. It's, it's right there. And, uh, that's not, that's saying a lot because again, Mahomes is already an all-time great and I think Josh Allen is starting to go into that area too.


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[Assistant] I liked him, but so this is again another example of like, you know, early in the career, I didn't give enough of these guys the boost of there's gonna be growth here. You know? And, and, and I think he's another one of those guys where I look at to go, I didn't bump him up.


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[Assistant] When I knew the potential and everything and the guy works hard and all that, like, it's gonna go up.


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[Assistant] Don't be so scared even though it's like not a proven thing yet. You knew, I knew he was better than that. And that's what I've tried to learn this year a little bit. We'll see. I'm even scared with some of the second year, like the Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson and Justin Fields category, because their potential is better than the low 20s. And that's, you know, again, they could be


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[Assistant] Let's throw it every play. Let's just let it loose. This guy, because he sees the guy every day in practice and goes,


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[Assistant] How could we not attack through this guy? He's trustworthy and he's unbelievable. And he can, like Mahomes, can almost win games single handed.


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[Assistant] The game I'll go back to last year, there's two of them actually. I mean, again, what he did in the Kansas City game in the loss was, was through the roof good. But.


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[Assistant] Nobody does what he did in New England in the playoffs. We've never seen anybody do that to Bill Velichick. Like, nobody.


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[Assistant] 47? And took the foot off the gas? And like, what, threw for 80% and ran on them and did it all? But to me, the game that jumps out even more is the week 16 game against the Patriots, where their game plan was perfect.


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[Assistant] You break that game down and you go, the Patriots should have won the game.


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[Assistant] Alan just made like eight or nine plays where you go, whoa, the coverage is perfect. They had him in the backfield. He escaped and then made some amazing play and you go, damn, the Patriots called the perfect defense and really executed really well and they just couldn't overcome the guy.


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[Assistant] And I think that's when you saw Bill Belichick start to go, Oh shit, this guy's absolutely amazing. But yes, he can carry a team single-handedly. And again, without like top tier talent compared to the top four.


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[Assistant] You know, Ken Dorsey, this is the first time in this position.


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[Assistant] He's really been a quarterback coach for the most part of his career.


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[Assistant] You're working for a defensive-minded coach, and, you know, to your point, I mean, Dayball's special. He's good.


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[Assistant] He's got answers and his offense has a little bit of everything. So, you know, and there was pressure on Dayball and Josh Allen because I think they knew the way they were playing and whatever that they needed to kind of make magic happen on a weekly basis. So, you know, I don't know what to expect from Dorsey. I don't think things are going to change a whole lot.


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[Assistant] You know, but I think the big thing is, is can he just give Alan a few...


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[Assistant] Schematical plays or advantages every game like day ball did to kind of just like open the rest of the offense up. And that's what I'm going to be interested to see. I really am. But I wouldn't think they change a whole lot except there's going to be a little bit more, I would think a little bit more balance.


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[Assistant] They can't just think Josh Allen can drop back 40 times a game and run the ball 12 times a game and just do it all by himself all the time. To me, they're playing with fire to a degree. He takes a lot of hits, he takes a lot of punishment that way. Uhm, so that's where, you know, I'm guessing we might see a little bit more balance, but I'm interested to see where this goes.


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[Assistant] That's what I mean. I hope he doesn't. Which he does a year before. Right. He's been there the last few years, so hopefully, you know, the system's not gonna change. And then the fact that he's the quarterback coach with Josh Allen, I would think there's great communication. Totally. And in a lot of ways,


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[Assistant] Sometimes it might be one of those where now Josh Allen feels a little more uncomfortable, I mean more comfortable to go like, hey Ken.


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[Assistant] I really like this play. Like, can we find a few more ways to run it or a few different formations or whatever else? And maybe that could be the positive, but to me, definitely one of the things to watch early in the year is the Buffalo offense and what it looks like under Ken Dorsey's leadership.


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[Assistant] I don't know, with the top four guys we just talked about, I can see you still playing good, and one of them going out of this world good, and we going, well man, Allen really didn't do a lot to justify dropping, but


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[Assistant] And now, they just need, like Mahomes has had, and some other great quarterbacks, the ones that have won Super Bowls, he just needs a little more support. That to me is the biggest thing.


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[Assistant] You know, again, it's, it's doesn't have tremendous playmakers on the defensive side of the ball. Right. And on the offensive side of the ball, like we talked about too, it's, it's I think a little overrated and, and Diggs is really the only blue chip star.


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[Assistant] On that side of the ball. Jameson Crowder is in. That'll be great. OJ Howard is in. Tavon Austin is in. Yep. So yes, hopefully they can do it. Crowder should be a really nice addition to the slot.


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[Assistant] So you got Gabe Davis and Diggs outside, and now you got a jitterbug like Crowder?


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[Assistant] I would think that that's going to be a pretty dangerous combination. And I like Dawson Knox a lot. He's got the physical ability to be the real deal at tight end. He has drop issues at time. You know, he's a little raw in that department, but you know, again, a lot of good up there in Buffalo and I love the addition of Spiller.


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[Assistant] I mean, uh, not Spiller, uh, Cook. They, they had added James Cook, Dalvin Cook's brother out of Georgia. I think that's going to be, add another nice element to that offense.


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[Assistant] Is the plus 1500 Tennessee Titans, the team that was the number one seed with an all time record of injuries last year. So wait, how good can they be if their team's actually healthy and intact for a divisional round game?


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[Assistant] I'm the, you know, again, I know we're obsessed with quarterbacks and this is the quarterback list and we love it and all that. But here's the one of like, team is really good. Team is really well rounded.


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[Assistant] The team can play a few different styles of football and the team


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[Assistant] I think their style of football translates to playoff football. And I, I think they're going to be, that to me would be the one I look at to vote value bet wise. I like Tennessee Titans at plus 1500. I mean, all these teams I know are good and capable of being real deal, but value bet wise, I really liked that Titans one.


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[Assistant] PointsBet has a sign up offer for unbuttoned listeners that you can't miss. Download the PointsBet app, use code MBC2K like Ahmed said to sign up and you get two risk free bets up to $2000. So say you bet $100 on the bangles to win the AFC.


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[Assistant] If you win, you will get $1,200. But if you lose, you will still get free bets worth $100. Come on.


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[Assistant] It's a congratulations. It really is. It's impressive. And you know, Hey, it's tough. The guys that they, you know, I, I see what we, we, they, they like what had Kyler Murray and Deshaun Watson. They both,


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[Assistant] I told people that. Yeaah, maybe you're right. Maybe you're right. Yep, you're right. Listen, Kyler Murray, you certainly can argue he's in there. I'm not, you know, I'm not one to sit here and go, I'm right about everything. I just, not in my opinion, he's not, but he's a special player that way. But impressive. And, uh, we do. We gotta send some gifts that way, for sure.


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[Assistant] Okay, that'll be a, that'll be a Thursday podcast. We're doing a really AMA on the whole list and we'll, anything you guys want to ask. I know we got a lot of questions in the bank about a lot of these guys. So we're going to go over that and address some of them.


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[Assistant] He's fearless because he'll just go for it on forward down every time. He's like, I'm going to throw the haymaker. I'm going to do it. I'm going to choke slam this guy for sure right now. And then Herbert, I mean, as one of the biggest in football and he's one of the biggest guys in football. And of course the strong arm, you know, he's going to have a nice right hook and everything to go with it. I like where you're at there. He seems like he could be


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[Assistant] Well, he's like, I was gonna say during my quarter, I'm glad you're saying this, when during my quarterback, I was like, he's like the Megatron of quarterbacks to me a little bit.


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[Assistant] I wanna say that when I watch them in the pocket sometimes.


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[Assistant] He is strong. He's athletic. You're right. He's got some size.


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[Assistant] And he's got a strong arm, so he's got some arm speed as well. And then Shanahan's a scrapper.


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[Assistant] He's a scrapper. I mean, Shanahan's bigger than people realize.


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[Assistant] You know, he's almost 6'2", if not 6'2", right around there. You know, he did play wide receiver at Texas, so it's not like he's just a total nerd who calls offensive plays.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, I, I think, I'm, I'm, I like where you're at here. You say not a total nerd, so there is some nerd elements there. Well, uh, yes, how could you come up with some of those plays without him being somewhat of a nerd, alright? But, uh, yeaah, but, but other than that, no, he's, he's fight, he's, uh, he's got some fightsiness and he's got some fight in him, I should say.