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[Assistant] Because it's a different space with different margins, substantive conversation with people in disagreement.


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[Assistant] Shades of kind of what we're thinking about, so.


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[Assistant] I dunno. This was not just about the forum, this is also about how Muay Thai is talked about, and I think all of us want


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[Assistant] It's because it feels meaningful to you. Like, this is not just a hobby or something. It's like, this is touching core values about you and the world. And you can't really draw those feelings out without, just on Facebook.


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[Assistant] Next topic, every Muay Thai bones we like to do some technique discussion.


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[Assistant] Maybe we'll talk a little bit about also my role in, as uhm, the scourge of Sylvie, where I'm like constantly coming up with


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[Assistant] But I'm constantly thinking about Sylvie's training and I'm always like, you know, Sylvie, you should be doing, trying this thing. A lot of what I'm thinking about is what's something that is maybe uncomfortable?


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[Assistant] If you threw yourself into this with curiosity, would it kind of like open up different perceptions about yourself?


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[Assistant] Most difficult things about training is when you train similar things, you develop a mentality, a myth or a story about yourself.


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[Assistant] In terms of particular techniques, like...


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[Assistant] If you're like, always working on your hook low, low kick.


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[Assistant] Grooves and stories, right? And so these stories can be detrimental, especially if you're a critically minded person, like you tend to produce narratives that are like, wah-wah, around a technique or a training,


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[Assistant] You don't want to go too deep in those grooves, so I'm constantly throwing in ideas where you're like, this is fresh snow. You've never walked on this snow. So you don't have ideas about it.


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[Assistant] And so one of the things that I recently suggested to you was


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[Assistant] Jumping on kicks. Do you want to go into actually about the history?


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[Assistant] That was just what the idea was for a day. I think I challenged her for a day.


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[Assistant] But I'm like, jump on every single kick in shadow. On the bag.


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[Assistant] On pads, like, don't take a single kick with your foot planted on the ground.


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[Assistant] And I knew that this is like, not something that you would want to do. Like the whole point of it is that this is not something you want to do.


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[Assistant] Yes, but your fucking amazing quality is that occasionally you're like, okay.


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[Assistant] You just go for it. So do you want to talk a little bit about kicking and the history of the kick and like getting the kick right and I don't kick in fights? Like maybe give a context about kicks? Because maybe somebody in there has similar feelings or histories.


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[Assistant] Well we, we walked him over to the bag and we're like, hey Wong, who was a cool train, wacky trainer at Lana, we're like, this is Sylvie's kick, show her, show him the kick, and you like, whack the bag a couple times and he was like,


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[Assistant] Okay, I want to slow down because I want to bring people with us.


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[Assistant] A big, from my perspective, a big difficulty with the kick.


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[Assistant] Was the idea that there is a kick, like, and you don't have it. Like, from the, we're talking 10 years ago, or 8 years ago. Like, one of the more interesting things that happened when you first came to Thailand, was Sylvie Charbonneau held for your kick, and she was like, holy fuck, that is so powerful. Do you remember that?


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[Assistant] This was before you were worried about your kick so much. But there was a feeling like, my kick is not...


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[Assistant] The Thai kick. I want my kick to be a certain way and I think in a large part this pressure to have Thai style has like a, has a negative effect in like reducing belief in your kick. You don't agree?


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[Assistant] There's a very cool, uh, long video of him teaching you this.


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[Assistant] Because I have, I mean, well, I don't know, we're getting a checkpoint. Yep.


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[Assistant] This is probably a whole topic to do at another time, but I have a theory that you are an aerial fighter. Like there is a little aerial fighter inside of you.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm gonna, you like surrender to it in a way because you don't have judgment. You're like, I don't even know how to jump and kick. I'm not a jump kick fighter.


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[Assistant] And so, what's cool about it to me is like, you win it and you're like, okay.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you're always blaming yourself. Which is one of the hardest things about training seriously in Muay Thai, I think especially from the west, is we put so much emphasis on the beauty of the technique that as Thais throw them, that we're yearning for that freedom and balance and fucking power.


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[Assistant] And we're constantly trying to approximate it. And for some people who are very self-critical,


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[Assistant] It could be an unending story of failure.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and you almost have to embody the confidence or the musicality of the fighter in order to get to the technique. You can't get the technique.


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[Assistant] Like mechanically. And to me, this jumping on every kick is for you to just like fucking short circuit all the biomechanical things you're trying to do.


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[Assistant] Part of the problem with this negative narrative about technique training, and we've talked about this in the past, is yeaah, you might get the mechanics pretty close to the way they should be, but you've also created this whole story about how you suck at it.


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[Assistant] Like, through diagnostic critical thinking, which means you will not ever throw that fucking kick when shit is hitting the fan.


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[Assistant] Because it doesn't feel good to you. And part of training is you have to develop feeling good about something.


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[Assistant] And the capacity to do it. Otherwise you'll never pull that trigger. And what's kind of interesting, somebody commented on your last fight.


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[Assistant] They're like, Sylvie's kicking more than she's ever kicked before. It's really cool to see her evolution.


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[Assistant] On the livestream. And this was my suspicion that if you just abandon yourself to jumping in


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[Assistant] Just like, it can be ugly. I can look ridiculous. I can throw a flop kick. The-


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[Assistant] You're training the trigger of, okay now do this, and then you do it.


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[Assistant] And without the critical review, like the grade, right? It's a very cool thing to start training. I don't know, you have actually been doing it, uh, how has it felt for you?


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[Assistant] I think that, you don't blame it on this, but I think it was Namco Moon visiting.


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[Assistant] And emphasizing how much he kicked in his gym.


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[Assistant] That was the idea here and it actually flowed, just the history of the idea was many years ago when you trained with Adichai. Yes. And Adichai was like,


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[Assistant] Exactly. Totally. You're like, I'm not going to be good at this, but you fucking were pretty good at it. But what for me holding the camera, I'm like, wow, that's pretty cool that it's like if you're asked to do something that you


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[Assistant] There's like a curiosity and a abandonment to you towards it, where you're like, it reminds me very much of like skateboarding development.


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[Assistant] Totally. And there's another thing, these are the elements that the idea came to me. I'm always thinking about how skateboarders or extreme athletes develop these incredible techniques.


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[Assistant] They're not making incremental improvements on existing techniques. They're making


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[Assistant] Huge leaps. It's like, oh, you did a 360, I'm going to do a 520.


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[Assistant] They attempt things where you expect to fucking wipe out.


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[Assistant] There's something about liberating, about this willingness to throw yourself into something that you and everyone else expects you not to be able to nail. And what it does is it stretches the whole spectrum of what's possible.


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[Assistant] And at the very least, if you fail ten times at fucking 520, if that's such a thing, the 360 is not that big a deal anymore to you.


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[Assistant] Like, that was kind of what I was feeling like. Car hot.


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[Assistant] That's this beautiful, rising chest.


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[Assistant] I actually, nobody really that, I mean, Karat's a legend that Sylvie trains with. Uhm, I don't know anybody who quite kicks like him. But it's this beautiful, levitating chest direction. And...


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[Assistant] But I have this intuition that if you were jumping on your kicks everywhere, you're not trying to get the rising.


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[Assistant] Motion. But just abandoning yourself to the air, repeatedly, without judgment, will bring you closer to what he does.


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[Assistant] Hydroplane, just, there's a little hydroplane that they do


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[Assistant] And pivot, they pivot their heel sometimes on this hydroplane. That what it actually does is it puts your full body weight into the kick.


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[Assistant] Like mass sliding, hydroplaning, and suddenly your kick has a hundred pounds of mass behind it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Long Swan's very light on his feet, even though he's a relentless power fighter in a certain regard. Another component of this jump, just to like,


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[Assistant] To note it is, uh, Arjun Sarat teaching you to kick.


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[Assistant] For me. Whereas he is like, he was showing you


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[Assistant] I think it's free on YouTube, the session where he teaches you this, where he compares it to like a fighting chicken.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he would be like, you know how chickens kinda jump and like flap their wings when they're at fighting chickens, but when they do other things also? He'd like, be like that, just kind of like this little pop-pop-pop into the air and then you kind of like kick and turn your shin into your opponent and it's actually, uh, this is how Master K years ago


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[Assistant] Totally. And then, uh, uhm, there's that beautiful photo, there's a beautiful photo of Karahat.


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[Assistant] In this like, old style, 1970's style kick. You know that one where he's like in the air and he's turned? It's a magazine cover I believe. I'll try to link it in the reading notes. But, so what, circling all the way around, or like,


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[Assistant] Ariel Sylvie, which I actually believe you are an Ariel fighter deep down.


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[Assistant] There's something about kind of like surrendering yourself and stretching yourself beyond even just trying to be precise.


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[Assistant] Right? Is that good? Should we go to the next section?


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[Assistant] Okay, so this, uh, segment, it just amazes me how...


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[Assistant] Big a topic we take on on the Muay Thai Bones. Again, talking about digital spaces. We can...


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[Assistant] Take on more, even more than one giant topic, because we're, we can podcast for two hours or three hours.


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[Assistant] The tiness of Muay Thai is really a major component of our love of Muay Thai. And so a lot of what we talk about is kind of like concern over


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[Assistant] Muay Thai losing its Thai character, uhm, or becoming, uh, westernized to a point of detriment.


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[Assistant] So, this is going to be about the rise of three round fights. Let me do a little bit of an intro on this. A lot of people think to themselves, oh, there's


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[Assistant] There's the Muay Thai of the West, right, which is all inauthentic Muay Thai, like our pale version of it, and then the Muay Thai of Thailand, and in Thailand it's pure, it's real, it's, uh, the Muay Thai we all aspire to. Many people don't realize that, uhm,


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[Assistant] Muay Thai in Thailand is under great pressure to change. And that in Muay Thai in Thailand,


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[Assistant] The Muay Thai that we all kind of cherish is... I don't know. Radically under transformation.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and so this is about the rise of three round fights, three round fight promotions in Thailand, not outside, and about the concern that maybe the fabric of Muay Thai is kind of


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[Assistant] Under pressure and might be lost, right? Do you wanna maybe jump in with this, uh,


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[Assistant] I don't know how, what's, how is this expressing itself? What is?


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[Assistant] I think less so, but maybe. Uhm, that Max Muay Thai is the...


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[Assistant] Famously, the most popular form of Muay Thai on Thai television. Yes. That its ratings are kind of off the charts and the fact of its success indicates to other people putting on promotions, this is the way we should go.


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[Assistant] It would be like you have a carrot and then you take science and you remove all, you take all the core aspects of a carrot and then you don't have to eat carrots anymore.


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[Assistant] Only cinnamon roll centers. Only cinnamon roll centers. So, to give some context, one of the complaints about stadium Muay Thai is that it has some boring components, which is like, the first round often, uh, fighters will be feeling each other out, uh, and how...


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[Assistant] They'll be kind of dancing off the end of the fight. You don't get the, the, the lasts.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it would be like if you, uh, only showed the middle 60 minutes of a movie up to the battle scene and that would be it.


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[Assistant] I feel like we're like, uh, floundering a little bit on this because there's so much involved in what's maybe problematic about this move.


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[Assistant] And it's hard to get your head around all the things involved.


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[Assistant] But maybe one of the biggest themes to go forward on is that traditional style Muay Thai had a narrative structure that involved the fight building up.


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[Assistant] Test the testing of the opponents and then winding down. Like you would have an arc.


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[Assistant] And what's really pleasing is to see the aggression. So...


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[Assistant] To westerners because of the emotion that they are reading, they're looking for in what a fight means.


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[Assistant] I feel like we're like bouncing around in a weird way on this.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we're like a 15 minute walk from it. Uhm, and so we even fought. She was like the only female with her opponent, Meng Xingzhu, for a while.


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[Assistant] The only female opponent before they decided women shouldn't be fighting at the stadium. But we were there in the very beginning when Max Motai really...


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[Assistant] Took on this place. And it was amazing. There were


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[Assistant] Rules given to TIE fighters.


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[Assistant] Right? If you, written, if you go backwards, you will lose. Yep.


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[Assistant] That going backwards was a, was not a form of dominance.


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[Assistant] Which is the core aspect of what makes traditional Muay Thai what is Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] Max, but not just Max, all these three round promotional fights. Lots of female fights are three rounds. Uh, you, you, there's not one example of this trend.


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[Assistant] Is, was really about removing the Ning, much of the Ning, in fighting. And remove, and in removing that Ning, that Pacific, Pacific quality,


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[Assistant] You're, you're, they're actually removing it at the level of what scoring is.


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[Assistant] In order to just create a three round car crash, which will excite audiences. Is that fair to say?


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[Assistant] I guess the point to make is that the nature of the three round fight as it's developing in Thailand and getting great ratings in, uh, Thailand is to


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[Assistant] Remove some qualities from fighting that are distinctly tie and if you...


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[Assistant] It's not completely removed because I'm sure a calm-faced fighter is kicking someone's ass going forward is still appreciated, but it's strongly uhm, kind of legislated against in the style, this international style which basically


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[Assistant] This says that you can, you cannot win unless you're moving forward. So forward aggression becomes a defining quality of victory or loss.


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[Assistant] This is, to me, tearing at the fabric.


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[Assistant] of the ning and the buddhistic qualities of what mikmortai what it is and it turns it much closer to kickboxing western kickboxing with elbows.


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[Assistant] Rules over these kinds of fights rather than traditional.


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[Assistant] It could be, but I think the largest thing, uh, is


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[Assistant] This Chaun emphasis cutting only to the action?


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[Assistant] But we want to talk about why you don't like him. Not just that we don't like him. I... It's so hard.


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[Assistant] Okay, part of the reason why three round fights are on the rise


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[Assistant] Is, Muay Thai in Thailand suffers a demographic problem, which is older and rural uhm,


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[Assistant] The generations that are younger than that are exposed to a much wider view of, uhm, entertainment options. Many of them are soccer fans.


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[Assistant] Soccer is a huge sport in terms of uh, Thailand popularity.


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[Assistant] Part of the move to let's just cut to the action and let's just have chon aggression. It's not only let's do things that westerners do well, but let's move into this more like globalized vision of what fighting is.


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[Assistant] That the Muay Thai of three round promotions is more like the UFC, more like international kickboxing.


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[Assistant] More like boxing, even, that...


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[Assistant] You're really moving towards, you're competing as a sport for eyeballs of younger viewers that have a very wide sense of...


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[Assistant] And so the success of uhm, something like Max is that it's appealing to


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[Assistant] Younger demographics of diverse economic strata, right? So in a real sense, the success of it kind of


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[Assistant] Indicates this is a good thing. Because you don't want Muay Thai to just kind of become obsolete. Just something that


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[Assistant] And will it be this, even exist as the same? If it's not, like, if you've changed it so much so that it appeals to another market, like growing markets.


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[Assistant] Until this other new stadium developed, but for a long time they were, they were not.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but if you gave that time slot to Raja Domna and it would not be as popular. The truth of the matter is, if you care about this, you have to accept that the chan, uh, aggro, to me it's like aggro fighting, you're like celebrating the display of aggression as a primary value.


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[Assistant] Is basically non-Buddhistic to me, that you have...


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[Assistant] There is real, uhm, marketplace appeal for that. And ultimately that marketplace appeal is because of a culture that's really not Thai culture, it's...


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[Assistant] Popular in cultures all over the world.


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[Assistant] Much of that has been said by these international blockbusters.


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[Assistant] Is because they're so, they are so action oriented in literally what is on the screen.


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[Assistant] They get, they can be translatable into China or India or Europe. Like, you don't even have to really, they transcend culture.


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[Assistant] And that action emphasizing the action and the violence.


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[Assistant] Becomes kind of part of this whole kind of stimulation of the common denominator. In the same way that Facebook posts that get people enraged.


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[Assistant] Like there is a feeling here to me that in celebrating by moving Muay Thai towards these kind of westernized values, which are really globalized values, you are participating in this kind of, uh,


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[Assistant] And those adrenaline spikes travel the furthest in media networks. Like, you can cross boundaries with this. It's kind of an invasive species. It's like a grass that can fucking grow like crazy in any climate.


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[Assistant] Is the feeling like we might be losing some very precious aspects of Muay Thai, which are things that we actually talked about in the first part of the podcast.


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[Assistant] Wan Sung Chai was considered probably the greatest promoter of Muay Thai ever. The one, the man who raised its level promotionally in Thailand and was brilliant at creating these narratives. Pinu was a Wan Sung Chai fighter. Yep. He was a femur defensive fighter. He was told he can't fight that way anymore.


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[Assistant] Wonseng Chai was maybe, I don't know enough about the history of Stadium Wutai, but maybe the most powerful version of this. The one who created the aggression fight style.


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[Assistant] But on a smaller scale. Like, people were not chawning, but he discouraged.


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[Assistant] For at the time, discouraged the...


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[Assistant] He wanted clashing. And so he was really good at finding opponents whose styles were clashing.


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[Assistant] We heard from Arjan Sarat, it was back in the day, there were two kinds of scoring. There was Raja Damran, which was technical.


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[Assistant] And you, and Lumpini, you could not win going backwards. So at that time,


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[Assistant] The maximum Thai of Thailand was Lumpini Stadium. Do you know what I mean by that?


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[Assistant] Why Wonsung Chai's promotional genius, which actually ended up producing many fights which are still on YouTube,


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[Assistant] Fluency. So that when you are like, you have to come forward, like,


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[Assistant] Like, uhm, we, we heard that, uh, Sancti Annui was a big...


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[Assistant] But with three, with the degradation of Muay Thai just systematically over many, many years, fighters are not as skilled as they were in the golden age. And now with Max Muay Thai, they have to fill cards every night.


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[Assistant] So, so basically, young fighters are learning, just be aggressive. Like, what's that?


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[Assistant] The worry is that what Wong Sun Chai started brilliantly and actually created international appeal


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[Assistant] If you push that ethic too far in the whole, like, capitalistic vision of let's just get aggression, let's cut to the chase scene, let's only have clashing, and you do that among a, uh, talent pool which is reduced, there's far fewer TIE fighters, uhm,


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[Assistant] Coming, trying to become Muay Thai fighters, like young kids.


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[Assistant] You'll end up producing a shadow of what Muay Thai was.


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[Assistant] As much as Thailand Muay Thai is very tradition, uhm, bound, and people enjoy, celebrate tradition, there are also


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[Assistant] Endless number of ties, promoters and what not, for which, one tie is just a business. And it's like, if you can make money doing this thing,


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[Assistant] By all means. There's not one Thai concept of what Muay Thai should be. And there have been financial, promotional, uh,


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[Assistant] Motivations behind all the changes of Muay Thai. It's like you're not gonna make a change in Muay Thai without there being somebody can make money off of it.


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[Assistant] Like, just the fact of the matter. So, we're not even saying that this is against Thais or Thailand. Like, these are forces that are happening, and then I guess as a truck behind this truck, uh,


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[Assistant] As this is happening because we're westerners, we're like extra attuned to the things that might get lost.


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[Assistant] And I guess what my thing is is like, okay, market forces are pushing Muay Thai in this direction. At the very least, let's think about what might get lost.


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[Assistant] Okay, I understand. Market forces involved mean that you have to cut down the rainforests to herd cows. At least keep track of what you're cutting down.


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[Assistant] You're might be cutting down the cure for cancer. Like, you might be cutting down what the hell's in that rainforest that you're losing. And I feel like there's a feeling like, for me, like,


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[Assistant] Oh, we're just getting rid of that old Muay Thai, that boring Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] Which is, and we witnessed it, was PTT was...


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[Assistant] He was raised as a, he's a star on TIE Fight now. He was raised as a TIE Fighter, a TIE Fighter, a stadium fighter, top stadium fighter in the gym of Patron Rung.


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[Assistant] As he developed as a TIE fighter, was a kind of like, slow, methodical, moe cow fighter, who kind of like,


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[Assistant] Boa constricted his opponents. Like it was a very, Diesel's faster pace than him. He was kind of a molasses like thing that would just get a hold of you and then produce this like dramatic moment in the fourth or fifth round where you just succumbs to him.


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[Assistant] Came out of lots of failure as a kid. He was, there's stories of him going long losing streaks and nobody believing in him and he knew stuck with him and he became a star.


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[Assistant] And he had a huge moment, coming out moment when he won a lot of money on an Annoi, uh, tournament.


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[Assistant] He then, for various reasons we want to go into, got fresh.


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[Assistant] Left the gym because he was on the cuff of stardom.


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[Assistant] And the question that was bubbling was like, is he going to go for a Raja Damran belt, right? He was like second or first in line to fight for the belt.


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[Assistant] Kind of promised, had the promise of big contract, big money. What's so interesting about this example


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[Assistant] Yeah, but to put on a show about how incredible Muay Thai is, like, San Chai puts on fucking...


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[Assistant] PTT went to another gym and utterly transformed his fighting style, like...


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[Assistant] He became the opposite of what he was. They basically turned him into a jumping elbow machine.


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[Assistant] Like, something he would never do in Stadium Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] Fucking, like, throw 20 elbows in a round. Huge clashing.


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[Assistant] Uhm, style. And he was fucking, like, wrecking Westerners.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, it would not, it would not fly. And he would also, it would go against the aesthetic, it would win.


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[Assistant] Is really, like, indicative of what we're generally talking about, is that he basically left Stadium Muay Thai because there wasn't enough, uhm, future, as high a future for him, and he basically turned his fighting style into a comic book. And it was pretty fucking spectacular, I have to say.


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[Assistant] It's like a cartoon, it's like a cartoon.


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[Assistant] Gunslingers then became part of like the western, what was that kind of thing?


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[Assistant] Uh, after the rodeo shows kind of like they'd even have Indians versus Cowboys.


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[Assistant] Actual Indians versus actual cowboys from actual wars acting out their wars 20 years, 10 years later. The idea though is, wow.


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[Assistant] Uh, stadium Muay Thai and then TV Muay Thai. Like TV Muay Thai designed for mass consumption.


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[Assistant] About the essences of Muay Thai, like what makes Thailand Muay Thai different than everything else. And a big part of this is I think the way you refer to this narrative scoring, this


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[Assistant] I think what's at stake is really a different conception of time. That western conceptions of time, mechanical conceptions of time, see time as a


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[Assistant] Industrial. See, time is a flat line in which


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[Assistant] Things that occur in the beginning of a stretch of time and the things that occur at the end are of equal value.


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[Assistant] It has no shape, it's perfectly flat. And so what you end up doing, like on a western concept of time in a fight, is you add up mathematical points, like how many times did the strike land, significant strikes.


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[Assistant] Totally, because if you add up all the caps, then you're like, I can calculate profit, rate of caps, profit, how much do I pay my worker? And so you get a kind of linear concept of time in which it's an abstract concept and it's numerical. So that's why when you get some things like, for instance,


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[Assistant] The, uh, IFMA version of Muay Thai, you get things like transparent scoring, numerical scoring, uhm,


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[Assistant] First round, second round, third round, they use three round fights. You want to create a kind of mathematical concept of what's happening in a fight. And so if you land,


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[Assistant] As in the traditional concept of Muay Thai, you have a different concept of time and


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[Assistant] I compare, I call this a kind of agrarian concept of time. An agrarian concept of time is not linear, infinite, infinitely divisible time by numbers, but a concept of


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[Assistant] Seasons, where spring, summer, fall, winter, or rainy season, dry season, that the patterns and rhythms of life is circular.


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[Assistant] And in circular, in a circularity, there's narrative. Like this happens, then that happens. Then this happens, then that happens. And you have a mythic concept of time. And that this mythic concept of time is woven into the very fabric of Muay Thai scoring aesthetics of narrative. And that


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[Assistant] In performing traditional Muay Thai narrative, you are performing an old concept of time that is old world and is agrarian really. And I think


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[Assistant] People are like, oh, what's the big deal? Let's just do aggression and damage points. I'm like, you are losing touch with an entirely different concept of time. And I'm, and my thought is,


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[Assistant] This other concept of time might become very valuable to us as our, uhm, oh thank you, I always get this wrong.


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[Assistant] As we end up, as our culture becomes more and more sterilized, more and more mathematical, more and more linear, and we kind of lose the nutritional experiences of narrative time,


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[Assistant] Agricultural time, cyclical time, might become very meaningful to us. It might be something that we need in our lives.


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[Assistant] Everything is the same. And, and if you watch enough Max Muay Thai fights or enough whatever highlights, like highlight, we talk about how Muay Thai is kind of shared social media wise. How many knockouts can you see? It's the same thing every time. Like knockout highlight, knockout highlight, knockout highlight. And I'm like, what?


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[Assistant] What narrative Muay Thai is offering


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[Assistant] Is the same thing as like character development in movies.


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[Assistant] And in the fourth round, his opponent took control of the fight in a very Ning way. Like a very Tai way.


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[Assistant] He was winning it through Ning. He had


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[Assistant] And you can't fucking highlight that. No. That's the point, is that Yokow was like, whoever's running their social media was like, ah, we have to show that our fighter was winning. And he was winning. Like, that was gonna be a walk-off win, kind of, if Bank wouldn't, didn't catch him with a hook late.


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[Assistant] The point is, it's like, it was a, it was a stadium fight under still Thai aesthetics of narrative development, and Bank One with a knockout, which was a highlight, and it's suitable for a fucking highlight on Facebook, and he got good credit, and Yokow, which is a western promotion,


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[Assistant] They tried to communicate the fact that their fighter was actually winning the fight, but because highlights do not


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[Assistant] Serve the nature of narrative storytelling?


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[Assistant] How can you tell? You can't tell it in a couple of kicks. You'd have to watch the fight, really, or...


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[Assistant] Become masterful video editor, like, with facial expressions or something. And it's like, it really... Okay, the...


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[Assistant] What the danger of what's happening is the richness and meaningfulness of what fighting can convey.


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[Assistant] The, the internationalization of...


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[Assistant] Culture and media networking, this is just a market force and Muay Thai might not survive it.


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[Assistant] Admittedly, Muay Thai has gone through many transformations in its modern era. Like, there was great pressure from boxing, western boxing. Western boxing transformed Muay Thai throughout the 50s, 60s, 70s. Like, it's not the first time there's been a market pressure on Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] But there is a feeling, like at least from us, like the fabric of Muay Thai is being threatened in this like three round, chawning thing that is successful to new demographics.


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[Assistant] I don't know, are you worried? I'm actually quite worried about this. I'm almost, I almost feel like the Amazon forest is gonna be cut down. Let's just make sure we preserve some fucking elements of it, like...


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[Assistant] It's kinda like, let's get a seed bank going, which is kinda what the Muay Thai library is, is like a seed bank, because none of these techniques and none of this knowledge is gonna survive.


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[Assistant] That you have that same feeling or you're like, are you optimistic?


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[Assistant] All the techniques are gonna go. And the scoring style is gonna go. You saved the wrong part. What did you say? You saved the wrong part. I think honestly, as you move towards international expectations,


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[Assistant] You're gonna have to embrace some non-traditional elements in order to save others. Like a perfect example is, Max Moitai, uhm,


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[Assistant] When it started was like we're gonna totally wreck all the traditional fabric of this thing, but we're gonna be like no women fighting.


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[Assistant] It's a way to anchor what you're saving and what you're changing. And it's like, uhm, so,


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[Assistant] The new Lumpini Stadium. Totally different stadium. It's only Lumpini in name and in organization. No women fighting. They put up signs, no women touching the ring. We're going to preserve this one important thing. And we're like, okay, if you're going to make concessions to the west,


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[Assistant] Make equality a concession, but preserve the fabric and techniques of the art.


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[Assistant] Let's maintain the traditions of what it was. What it was, was not just, was not principally no women.


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[Assistant] So I guess our arguments are yes towards modernization because it's inevitable, but let's be more choosy about what we're gonna change and what we're gonna preserve.


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[Assistant] And I feel like a little bit with this Chaun three round thing, uhm.


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[Assistant] Uh, like, we're losing things without realizing it.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, it's a weird kind of thing is that, uh, female fighters...


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[Assistant] Almost have a, uh, a draw to the more traditional elements. Partly because they're not traditionally included. So...


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[Assistant] Like you have a draw towards more traditional elements, like we're preserving the older fighters of the golden age.


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[Assistant] Rather than women just kind of effacing tradition, it's women might be in part the like the leaders in embracing tradition.


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[Assistant] Okay, rolling. Next segment, multi-bones. Switching it up.


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[Assistant] A really big kind of personal event happened for you, uhm, and it ties in with some larger


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[Assistant] Uh, Muay Thai cultural elements, so it'd be a great thing to kind of talk about, but uhm, I don't know how you want to enter this.


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[Assistant] The event itself were buildups of context of


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[Assistant] They're like huge canvas drapes of...


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[Assistant] Like a billboard almost that hangs, that hung over the ropes, right?


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[Assistant] Expand the idea that this is a very, very common event in Thailand where a fighter is raised in a local gym and brought to a certain level.


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[Assistant] He's grown in gyms, like you, you see, you see famous gym, Thai gyms with, uh, now with lots of champions. They didn't make any of those champions. Those...


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[Assistant] They bought them. The powerful gems basically extract the cream of the crop of fighters that are raised in smaller gems. And this is just the way that it goes and it's gone for a long time.


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[Assistant] Just to know this is part of the process of kind of what happens often, and then there's great variety about how great that feels or not.


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[Assistant] These are huge banners, like in every photograph they're just enormous.


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[Assistant] And they're all ties, except for Alex, who we've talked about. So you and Alex are kind of the two Western fighters who have basically been there for five or six years.


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[Assistant] Because I'm who I am, talk about those tears.


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[Assistant] Well, you print, just so you know, people know, you print all the photos that go on the wall, like, as a favor.


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[Assistant] You don't just print photos of yourself. Like anytime there's a photo to go on the wall, you go to the Photoshop and you're like, make this for us.


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[Assistant] I feel like a perfect interesting example is one of the things you do is you fight for a car truck promotion. It's a fucking great promotion. It puts you on high TV all the time.


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[Assistant] And they fucking love you. They like, the announcers are like, they've made up your, their own nickname for you. Like you are fucking embraced in a great way, in a,


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[Assistant] Karchuk is a masculine old school way of fighting that women before you started fighting there had not really fought before and you helped change Muay Thai. But one of the things that happened in our development of booking this was the guy who runs the thing gave you his gym name. So his, so when you fight on that fucking tel...


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[Assistant] But you have a flexibility of not being represented because


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[Assistant] When you're represented, you have people who are constantly...


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[Assistant] Speaking for you, but also like demanding certain things be a certain way. And we, we kind of are like...


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[Assistant] We're not gonna stress you about all this stuff that you would have if you were dealing with another, with a gym. You're like, sure, just tell me when and where, I'll fight for whatever money and I'm happy for it, I'm gonna put on a show.


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[Assistant] So he, the promoter just gave you his own Jim's name. Probably a little bit sneaky or something like.


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[Assistant] gets an advantage out of it. Because then you, then you promote his gym. And this was hurtful to PNU.


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[Assistant] Because it's on TV and ties will make a big fucking deal about this. Not, not PNU perhaps, but somebody else would be like, oh, she's fighting with another name. It means something. And I'm like, this is the thing. We would never have gotten that relationship if we'd gone through a gym. Very unlikely.


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[Assistant] We got that because of Sylvie's independence, but in that pinu is kind of like...


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[Assistant] Putting slowly into an acceptance position with these posters and what not, then things like that become much more sensitive.


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[Assistant] Much more like it's something that Sylvie has to like watch for.


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[Assistant] And be like, we don't care what name we fight under. But people will start to care.


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[Assistant] If you suddenly become represented, represented, representative of them.


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[Assistant] That it's, it's part of a balancing line we're constantly trying to, uhm, walk of inclusion, but freedom.


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[Assistant] You'd have no opportunity. It's like, uhm, so it'd be great to be raised or to be treated and trained like a Thai boy who's headed to Limpini, right? Which you have a schedule and a capacity that you're building for Limpini fights and maybe even a Limpini championship.


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[Assistant] And, but if like, you can't fight in Limpini, and then you're put on the Limpini track, there, you, nothing comes of it. I get dead.


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[Assistant] Totally, but you want the Lumpini treatment and training, but then you have to have control over what that leads to. What that leads to is Lumpini level skills and Moi, but that is not fighting in Lumpini, it's fighting somewhere else.


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[Assistant] Maybe one day it can fight a Lampini, but you're not going to fight a Lampini in the same way that Alex will.


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[Assistant] Way of like, how included am I gonna be? How excluded?


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[Assistant] Is that when you are a Phurong in Thailand, there is a...


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[Assistant] Powerful sense in which you are excluded from ties and tiness.


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[Assistant] Even if you're said to include and they include you in everything, there is a sense that you're just foreign. Like you're not one of us. And many who invest in Thai relationships, business relationships, social relationships, become pained by this wall they run into. This like non-acceptance aspect.


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[Assistant] I, we sense, and that there's a lot of the expat, like, anger towards ties, is from running into this kind of like, no, you're not Thai. And uhm, and so,


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[Assistant] The acceptance in the gym by Pinu, who's a pretty special person, comes in the larger context of ties are not


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[Assistant] Well, and this, this ties into a deeper feeling you have in general where you are always feeling like excluded.


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[Assistant] Well, that's the other thing, yeaah. It's not just ties and forong, but ties will create these exclusion lines within a single family.


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[Assistant] There's an us-then Thai mentality that as Westerners, we think, oh, they're just excluding us. But this fucking goes on throughout all the groups of Thailand. There is a very strong, like, separation of people out at every group circle.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there is a divide, there's lots of divisions.


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[Assistant] And we like to think of it as undivided, like, oh, I wanna be part of that undivided thing. Whereas in that actual, in their living, it's all shot through with divisions. There's no undivided, except when there's an enemy of some kind, like, oh, those people are family.


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[Assistant] Putting the fence around the gym and you're like part of the fucking gym.


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[Assistant] Uhm, this is an exciting, uh, subject.


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[Assistant] For me, it's something that Sylvie is doing, uhm, on YouTube, uhm,


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[Assistant] Part of what's exciting about Patreon is not, is the stuff that enables us to do that we can just give away to everyone. And you've started vlogging mental training in real time during training.


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[Assistant] And what you'll do is you'll be training and trying to get yourself into states that


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[Assistant] Are advantageous or optimized for you and you'll then just as you're encountering what's happening in training, you'll stop and vlog.


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[Assistant] The concrete real things that you're doing to try to improve yourself. And what's really cool about it is there's so much mental training, kind of like self help, uh, advice in the, that you can find in books or even online, like ways that you should


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[Assistant] Improve yourself mentally, but a lot of that is really hard to apply.


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[Assistant] You hear Goggins say something or whomever and you're like, wow, that sounds right. That sounds like what I believe in or want to think that way. And then the hard part is how do I make that actually happen? Like in my real life?


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[Assistant] History of difficulty. You had this, uhm,


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[Assistant] Incredible transformation, this was maybe five, six years ago, when you would famously


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[Assistant] Fought a very disappointing fight, and then had to fight a world champion a few days later. Uhm, and you're like, holy fuck, how do I change anything?


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[Assistant] I sucked at my fight and you just like threw yourself into mental training.


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[Assistant] And won an incredible reversal of a fight, uhm, against Saiya Ito, Japanese champion on the Queen's birthday. And that was the first time that you're like,


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[Assistant] You were like, supposed to imagine yourself fighting.


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[Assistant] You kind of know what you're supposed to look like when you're doing it, but you don't know how to even start.


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[Assistant] That is so incredible to me because...


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[Assistant] If you're not actively trying to make these changes.


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[Assistant] All the connective tissue that allows you to make them?


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[Assistant] And the, and the, and the principles, the principles good and true, but all the stuff that fucking makes it work is missing.


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[Assistant] And I'm like, when I watch your vlogs, like I watch them just like anyone else does, to fucking learn about what you're experiencing. Like I don't know what you're experiencing. I know the things, the thoughts that you want to have, right? I'm aware of all that stuff. But I don't know like how you stub your toe.


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[Assistant] All these various ways of stubbing your toe. And then how do you keep walking with a stubbed toe?


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[Assistant] I learn from watching your vlogs. I fucking love them because I learn about you and the process and you can only tell this story if you're doing it. You're like,


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[Assistant] You might hit the, you might hit the block, but then you have to talk about hitting the block. And it's like, there's something really precious to me because


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[Assistant] Mental training do not come easy to you. Maybe it comes easier to other people.


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[Assistant] Like you were saying, like one of the things we ran into, which was really interesting, was you took the Nii Sobo course. Nii Sobo has this fucking awesome course. We actually got Sean Fagan into it. And I think it, from what we can tell, it's fucking like lit Sean on fire with productivity.


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[Assistant] But there was something about that course, that fucking...


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[Assistant] Uh, t-boned you, sideswiped you, like, the things you were talking about, like, super positive visions for yourself, like,


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[Assistant] Being so incredible, so blessed, full of all the things you dream of in your life, as a woman, you were like...


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[Assistant] I'm not allowed to think those things. Like your whole life, not all women, but I don't know, we'll talk about just trends in culture.


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[Assistant] As a woman, you were told you're not allowed to think those things. Those are not, those are forbidden thoughts. You need to think in more humble terms.


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[Assistant] Inspired to think in terms of opulence, like...


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[Assistant] Grandiosity, like all these things are possible to you. And I think when you were trying to like develop visualization and set goals in his program, you were coming up against this kind of unexpected friction in yourself and so you ended up having to


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[Assistant] And that led to you coming up on Kara, right?


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[Assistant] Who's a feminist mindset lifestyle coach?


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[Assistant] What do you mean different? Like, they use the tools differently? They same tools, but use them differently?


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[Assistant] You're not giving a program, you're vlogging, so you can talk about...


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[Assistant] All the nuances of putting the hammer down and picking up the, uh,


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[Assistant] And part of the process, which you've said to me, is one reason why you wanted to vlog was not just to be helpful, which you totally want to do, it's also good for you to be accountable.


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[Assistant] Walking the path that light, shine, light is not shown on very often. They're the personal moments, really.


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[Assistant] I don't understand though, because you just said, I don't do this altruistically for others. And now you're like, but if they hadn't responded, I wouldn't continue.


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[Assistant] Oh, I see what you mean. It's not a disinterested altruism.


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[Assistant] There's a component here that is a larger component, which you're describing, which is interesting.


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[Assistant] As we've talked in the past about Vipassana and how Vipassana meditation is a form of meditation that you've been practicing for a while now.


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[Assistant] Is all about a certain kind of attentiveness or awareness or focus that, uh, the idea is not to perpetually be in this state.


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[Assistant] That the skill of the pasana is not, oh, you're such a great tightrope walker, you can just stay on that rope no matter what happens. The skill is falling off the rope, which is the rope being how you, the kind of attendance you want to have.


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[Assistant] And that, that getting back on the rope is kind of really the skill.


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[Assistant] It's not like you will never be off the rope. It's like, back on the rope. Back on the rope. Back on the rope. And what's really cool about your mental training vlogs that you're doing is they're all about getting on the rope. Like, back on the rope. You're like, I fell off the rope.


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[Assistant] This is how I get back on. These are the thoughts I entertain to get back on.


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[Assistant] Maybe in one instance, I'm just going to simplify what I'm doing in pad work.


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[Assistant] In another instance you're like, I'm gonna let that go because it's not nails in the wall.


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[Assistant] Like, there are ways to always get back on the rope. And what's so cool to me about what you're showing is not like some ideal Goggins state where, you know, it's very inspiring to hear about.


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[Assistant] These great states that people get into, but it's rather about all the falling out of the state and getting back into the state.


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[Assistant] Side view of what the practice is.


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[Assistant] And what do you, what is the principal mechanism for untangling that secondary voice that is like, uh, I don't know, you should be thinking those things. Or feeling those things.


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[Assistant] Okay, rolling. Uhm, so you, we were just saying, you were just saying the feeling about the feeling.


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[Assistant] Is an additional burden for female, many women who are trying to be positive thinking, positive attribute training, right?


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[Assistant] Well what is that? A kind of guilt? Or shame that you're like reaching for this thing? Like how dare you? Or not a good person would want that?


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[Assistant] And so mental training is about


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[Assistant] For women can be about trying to navigate that extra layer.


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[Assistant] And there's not a lot of examples of how to do that. Because when you follow the, like, positivity mentality, you're not told that you're about to hit a fucking, like, commentation. A commentator, which makes you not even know whether or not you hit the right thing.


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[Assistant] Well what I liked about that was that it was, um, creating a protocol to deal with unexpected things.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because people think they're going to make a choice that is going to give them, uh, consequences that aren't going to be a problem. Like, how do I avoid the problems? And she's like, there's problems either way.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like, okay, I'm gonna be a bitch. I have to deal with that. Or...


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[Assistant] I'm just gonna let this person stop ta- just be talking to me.


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[Assistant] Okay, that's pretty good. So uhm, we'll link the playlist for those vlogs that are going on. They're fucking awesome. So, original content that just kinda came out of your natural path of things. Uhm.


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[Assistant] Check that out, and if you get something out of it, leave a positive comment on any of them.


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[Assistant] Totally. It would be great to expand on anything that was a topic in the Muay Thai Bones. I would love to have more discussion and fleshing out more details.


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[Assistant] So that it doesn't just live in a fucking three hour podcast.


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[Assistant] Wanted to mention at the end here, uhm.


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[Assistant] Is everything we're doing is supported by, uh, patron support.


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[Assistant] If you value what we're doing, uh, even though it's free to everybody, uh, consider becoming a supporter. If you become a patron, there's fucking an incredible library of documented training videos over 70 hours with legends and crews of Thailand, so there's great stuff and there's also


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[Assistant] Because of the support we're going, we're going to start, well we've already done one, we're in the process of doing it, of taking legendary fighters of the golden age and showing them a fight from their career and filming their reaction and commentary on the fight.


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[Assistant] So uhm, right now Sylvie's translating the Thai, which is arduous work. It's probably going to be like 10, 20 hours of work, right?


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[Assistant] It's a little bit of an interview with Nam Kaboon, who is, some argue is the greatest multi-fighter, uh, ever. And uhm, just hearing his, and seeing his face watch this old film, uh, is just totally priceless.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you see Namcoon's charm in this.


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[Assistant] But his charm was in his moi. Like he was a very charming fighter, also fucking ruthless at times.


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[Assistant] I don't know, it's very special to have that history captured like that. And so, we're not sure how we're going to do it. Because this does take a lot of hours. But the support makes it possible. But we'd like to maybe...


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[Assistant] Do more of this. Have Karaha watch an old fight of his.


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[Assistant] Have, uh, Burclark watch an old fight of his. Diesel Noy. Diesel Noy watch him. Who's coming to Petron Rung for six months. Uhm, that would, what are we doing?


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[Assistant] Oh, uhm, that would be like priceless. So it's part of the projects, our continuing projects that we're doing through Patreon. And this is the latest one. And we keep coming.


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[Assistant] Coming up with new crazy ideas. Like, this was, this is, where is this coming from? But it's about pushing the boundary each time for more value, more insight, right? So, thank you, right? But is there a sign off that we do?


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[Assistant] I'm doing better at it, but like, I don't have friends, I don't have relationships that last longer than a year, he knows that, so by you saying that too, it just like fucking triggered it all over again, cause I know that's why I don't have friends, I know that.


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[Assistant] Welcome back everybody to Frenemies number three. They said we wouldn't even make it past the first episode and here we are three episodes deep. No end in sight yet.


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[Assistant] Oh, well, hold on. First of all, we have a sponsor. Thank you to Adam and Eve. Uhm, why, what did I do this weekend? I didn't even talk to you.


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[Assistant] Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You literally are saying, I'm gonna break, I'm gonna end the show. Let me read the text that I actually sent you. Just, just to compare your version of reality to what actually happened. Let's see. I said, hm.


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[Assistant] But first of all, I just, I wanna get this on the record.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, no, this is the only one I talked to you about and I said, I said at 10.04pm.


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[Assistant] Let me tell you what happened before. Let me explain the reality. I said, all I said was, Trisha, anything you want to talk about tomorrow? Anything on your mind? At 10.04pm.


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[Assistant] You said, I'm never sure until we start laughing, crying emoji. I said, no worries. I got some stuff planned. I just figured I'd ask. See you tomorrow. That was the entirety of the conversation.


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[Assistant] Let's catch a breath and deconstruct. First of all, can you throw, show a profile shot? Cause everybody was noticing that you're like, I guess you have extensions, so it looks like you're


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[Assistant] Oh shit. So, so it just adds volume back here?


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[Assistant] You're like- No, it was like three lines. You're like, do you wanna go as Howard Stern and Anna Nicole Smith with one?


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[Assistant] Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Just slow down. You seem really caustic today.


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[Assistant] When you go to get your boobs done, do they have more lightweight material maybe?


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[Assistant] First of all, let's start light. Let's talk with my family. About my family.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, they don't, they was, they were bitching at me, cause they were like, we worked super hard on the dinner and you guys were saying it was shit.


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[Assistant] Well, I didn't think so, but, but like, I was like, dude, we always joke about how our dinners suck, and our like, our Yom Kippur's are like half ass.


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[Assistant] Don't you mean yum kipper? I'm just kidding.


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[Assistant] Yeah, someone had to reign this shit in. So anyway, yeah, I was kinda surprised by that cause I was like, I was just like, we always shit on each other's meal. That was it. They just-


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[Assistant] Damn, you're sensitive. Imagine if you actually went to war or something.


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[Assistant] I swear to god, I wouldn't do it, I wouldn't do it for any amount of money.


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[Assistant] If Jeff Bezos was like, I'm gonna give you guys a billion dollars if you take a shower together. You're such a liar. I'd be like, fuck you Jeff Bezos, you sick fuck. Don't you have a better use of your money?


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[Assistant] With, uhm, with, with Hila's family. And Moses' family. So, so, Moses posted a picture on Instagram to his stories, correct me if I'm wrong, of, of him and you in lingerie.


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[Assistant] And I guess, well he- Moses hasn't- Moses, I don't know if they know what you do for a living or-


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[Assistant] Yeah, and so, and I don't think that Moses, and frankly, Moses has done a terrible job of explaining his relationship, as he always does. I mean, he did it to, to me and Hila, he didn't explain anything, and we're close with him. I don't know what he has to hide from us, because we're not judgmental.


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[Assistant] I mean, we're half a level of familiarity.


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[Assistant] Okay, whatever, I'm not even going to argue the closeness of my relationship with you. Obviously not with you. I mean, he hasn't put his dick in my butt, if that's what you mean. So sure, there's a different familiarity, of course.


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[Assistant] So anyway, they saw this picture of Moses and you in lingerie.


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[Assistant] And they got super freaked out. And you know, in Israel, it's like a different, it's like different. It's, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Zohan's accurate? What about Zohan is accurate?


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[Assistant] So anyway, they saw the picture of them in the lingerie and they got, I think one, they're offended his family as a whole is offended that he's not telling them more.


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[Assistant] And the same- remember when we and Hila had a problem. It was the same thing, just we're like, what is happening? He doesn't say anything, and now all of a sudden they're taking photos. So that- so I don't think they're even mad at- I'll be honest, I talked to them. They have no problem with you, they like you.


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[Assistant] It's, they're mad at Moses. They like you. They have no problem with you. They're like, why isn't Moses telling us? It's the same problem me and Eli had. And so they have this genuine shock when they're like, their fear is that Moses will do a porno with you.


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[Assistant] And if he does that, I'm just saying, it's been said that


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[Assistant] Because, because all of his extended family, and they're all super conservative OG, you know what I'm saying.


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[Assistant] They're mad at him, okay, but then he'd like call the extended families now like they saw the photo and they're calling his family being like, what's going on? What is this?


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[Assistant] I agree. And so when I heard, I'll tell you what happened. So when I heard Hila recap the combo to me, and then when I heard how they were reacting, I was like, oh, that seems like way, they're, they're, I said, one, I don't think Moses can do porno. He already said he's not, and I don't think he would.


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[Assistant] No, they weren't hysterical, but I just wanted to- I was speaking in your defense, frankly.


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[Assistant] Well, well, you know, I have the same opinion as you, but it's different there. Which you don't understand. Okay, but why?


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[Assistant] I feel like, I feel like you are not working hard enough to empathize with his situation.


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[Assistant] You can date and not make a porno with your spouse. But that's what I do! Okay, so, okay fine, most is accepting of that but you don't have to fuck him on camera.


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[Assistant] Okay, you know, you know Mia Khalifa. She's Lebanese.


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[Assistant] She's, she, Lebanese is a conservative country, even though there's more conservative countries, to be frank. And when she did porn, she got like death threats, people wanted to kill her. Okay?


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[Assistant] We can fit it in there. I get a feeling. Uhm.


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[Assistant] But I feel like you are not, you are being very selfish.


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[Assistant] And I feel, and I'm just telling you that you're gonna push him to the point either you're, cause you're so persistent, you're so persistent and you're so uncaring about his situation.


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[Assistant] I have a bunch of comments from on the Jewish food reviews I wanted to read you.


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[Assistant] It's a little fucking, like, weird, don't you think?


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[Assistant] Well, okay, how about, let's come dressed as our favorite black person. I mean, that's fucked up. It's weird.


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[Assistant] Alright, we have to take a break and do our ad read and hope, I think this, at least let's get paid once before


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[Assistant] But free stuff to spice up your bedroom is even


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[Assistant] Thank you for throwing it to me, Trisha. Enter offer code H3 at checkout and get 10 tantalizing free gifts.


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[Assistant] A sexy item for him. A special gift for her.


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[Assistant] Stop, don't, you can't go there. That's like one of the ground rules of the show.


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[Assistant] I wonder, do you get to decide, like, how do you know that the movies you're sending are your genre? Cause I feel like,


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[Assistant] Dude, once I was in, uhm, I was in Germany, when I was 18, and we went into a porn shop in the red light district, and people always say, like, scheissefilms, like a shit film is, it's like a German thing. Oh yeaah. And there were tons of shitporns. Oh yeaah. But here's the thing that really interested me, they were marked up, the shitporns were more expensive, they were like 80 bucks.


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[Assistant] Uh, plus free shipping. Free shipping! That's H3H3, offer code H3 at checkout at adamandeve.com. And remember guys, if you want more episodes of Frenemies, go to adamandeve.com and use code H3.


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[Assistant] Oh you, that was nice, you jumped in, you took the lead a little bit.


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[Assistant] A fairy, a fair, a fair, god I'm so dyslexic. A hairy fat idiot and a gold, and a gold fish shaped bimbo.


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[Assistant] I'll tell- I'll be honest, when I did water polo in high school,


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[Assistant] I was, I got super jacked. And I'm uh, and I would look good, I had a tan and everything. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] And I'm not gonna lie, I've got a lot of female attention at that point.


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[Assistant] And I quit doing waterfall because it wasn't worth waking up at 5am. I was like, fuck this, I'd rather be fat than wake up at 5am.


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[Assistant] I mean, I don't, no, I don't wanna be chiseled, I just don't wanna be, like, this. I don't have tits.


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[Assistant] I mean, I don't think that's all Shobby people, but I think, I think we just have, can I ask you some questions?


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[Assistant] Oh really? I saw your whole Hamilton Biden. I was like, thank god. Trisha, Trisha endorsed Biden. He's a shoe in for sure now. Do you think anyone cares that you endorsed Biden?


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[Assistant] Did you see The Rock's endorsement of Biden? No. Oh, you- can you pull up a picture just so I- I'll show you on my phone. He was wearing- you can show this, you can edit this in right, Dan. He was wearing these, uh, the tightest shirt I've ever seen. He's got some juicy milkers, bro.


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[Assistant] This is like, not even a human physique. He looks like a... He's wearing a bodysuit.


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[Assistant] I could be Vin- I'd rather be Vin Diesel, is that okay? Cause we- we joke about Vin Diesel a lot on the show.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, you do. Vin Diesel, Faf, Faster Curious.


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[Assistant] No, we, we agreed. I'll do, I'll do the, the collab with you. The collab with you.


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[Assistant] Okay, who do you currently hate on YouTube the most?


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[Assistant] Keemstar is actually, the thing about Keemstar is that he's actually just...


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[Assistant] Yeah, like, I feel like, like, okay, so like, even if like, let's say Gabbie Hanna, you guys have beef and stuff, and I feel like it's snowballed, but like, in a normal world setting, I feel like I could be friends with her. She probably has some redeeming qualities. Definitely not.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he- that's his thing. He d- God, I feel like I'm talking like, so slow now.


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[Assistant] No, I feel, that's, that's his problem is that he's like, when you talk to him, you have this expectation that you're talking to like a normal human being. Right. But he, he really is...


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[Assistant] He has- there's something off because he- he doesn't talk to you like a normal human being. He's always digging and digging and digging because he wants to produce content. And it's just-


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[Assistant] Because, yeaah, I was thinking about that, how, you know, our relationship started from that one video. Yeah.


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[Assistant] But that's the thing is because I, you know, my intention was, I felt bad that you felt bad and I wanted to, uhm...


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[Assistant] You know, I want, I wanted to, to not be rude to you, of course, if we talked off.


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[Assistant] After he came on the podcast and I was like, whatever, I know you got- because everyone was mad at me and I left this comment like, I know you guys hate him, I do too, but I think we should talk about him because he's an interesting guy. And then he lost his shit.


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[Assistant] I guess I have made fun of women's looks but I think it's like that targeted thing of being like you're a horse and then because then they like keep hammering it and like this like Leafy has it on a hoodie now. He made like a hoodie with a horse.


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[Assistant] I feel like the Twinkie comment was, was, I don't know why, I thought that was, is that not different than the horse comment? I'm trying to rationalize it.


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[Assistant] I think I said, it looked like she, I think it was about you, that you, it looks like you just washed up on the beach.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you're right. Yeah, no, you're right. It was, but, but, but, but like maybe does it get an exception for being, exemption for being funny? Funny?


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[Assistant] I was like, you are such a fucking, uh...


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[Assistant] You're such like a Judas how you flip-flop between camps. I'm sure you'll be friends with Keemstar in a month from now.


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[Assistant] She, she, Trisha goes, can I use the bathroom? I said, yea, there's a camera in there, don't worry about it.


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[Assistant] By the way, that's not- that was like one comment out of many. Most of them were like, I love their chemistry, this is so fun to watch.


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[Assistant] So, what about, uhm, oh, this is an interesting factoid. So, when you had beef with, uh, yeaah, those are pretty, you can show those. Diamond studded crocs, bro.


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[Assistant] So do you just like crocs a lot or do you think that's like just cool fashion?


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[Assistant] I think you're, I think you made a good point though. I think you, you said, uh, you, you know what? First of all, they can call it Elo horse, I just think.


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[Assistant] But I think you made a good point. I think you made a good point. I can't make fun of how women, I can't say for example that you look like you washed up on the beach.


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[Assistant] Well I agree, I think when someone says that it makes them look worse than- I think, you know, whatever.


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[Assistant] So, you got in a, you got in a brief beef with Anthony Padilla? Is that how you say his name?


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[Assistant] Anyway, we talked about it, and we did a highlight, and it's our most disliked highlight of all time.


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[Assistant] Well, I feel like Anthony's thing is he's like mega woke. You know, he defended you when I made the Instagram star. He's like, how dare you make fun of women's appearance. So he's like, he's mega woke.


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[Assistant] Wait, no, you don't, multiple personalities, isn't that when you have like, a different person in you? It's like super rare.


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[Assistant] I think his point was, if I can mediate.


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[Assistant] Because you made a video saying, I am, or was it, I have multiple personalities for it, was that the video?


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[Assistant] And he's like, well, you don't, because he's like, well, there's people who suffer from this, you don't necessarily have that diagnosed. So he felt like, uhm,


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[Assistant] You are monetizing someone else's illness.


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[Assistant] The first time, I know the third time was because they thought you were suicidal from the panic.


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[Assistant] But what happened? Tell me in detail each experience. I'm interested.


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[Assistant] Your problem is that you have these really traumatic experiences, and then when you try to talk about it, people don't believe you.


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[Assistant] I think, I think one thing I can definitely say is that you're impulsive and so when you, I totally understand where you're like, oh I saw this multiple personality video and you're like, oh my god that sounds like what I have. And then you go and make a video about it. You know what I mean? Like you're impulsive like that.


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[Assistant] I think his problem, I think his point of, I think the problem that you have is that


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[Assistant] You know, it's like, I have, um, transgender, I'm dis- I have personality disorder, and so people start to think like, what is really going on here? I get it. She's just- I'm not-


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[Assistant] No, I was just maybe changing pace. Okay. Yeah, what are you enjoying in life lately?


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[Assistant] This one, I'm not gonna- this one is really, I think, over the top, but I'll read it. They said, every time I leave my house, I have to hide my necklace so I don't become the victim of a hate crime. How dare you put one on just for fun?


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[Assistant] It's not, but it's not like, like the Star of David is not a fashion statement. It's a, it's a, it's a symbol of faith.


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[Assistant] But if you believe, okay, whatever, let's move on. I'm not gonna argue biblical studies with you. I'm trying-


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[Assistant] Here's a good idea for your next fetish. Someone said, please don't become a hijabi next. I want that thing to stay sacred.


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[Assistant] Trishon, I think you just need to pick one culture and stick with it.


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[Assistant] Uh, she, another one says, we, who is we? Because you are not Jewish.


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[Assistant] The sis did not just say, we're no longer in 2020. Girl, we haven't been in 2020 for over 3,000 years. We're going into 5,781.


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[Assistant] The name is George Washington's tampons, that was the user.


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[Assistant] We just, that's all I've got. That's it? Yeah. I thought I would have more. No they weren't.


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[Assistant] I think you're genuinely, and I mean this with peace and love, crazy. And I think your life is an internal battle between


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[Assistant] Between trying to stay on the rails as much as possible.


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[Assistant] While being just totally off the rails by nature.


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[Assistant] But you also play it up, because you fetishize, or not fetishize, but your role models are people like Marilyn Monroe and, and, uh, uh, what's that other girl's name? Anna. Anna Nicole Smith. And so these are people who are notoriously a mess.


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[Assistant] Hey guys, I'm Adam Sandler. We're gonna sit on this stupid fucking shit-tier podcast.


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[Assistant] I feel like at a certain point I could just stand in the corner and you wouldn't even notice.


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[Assistant] No, it's like saying I'm going around wearing a cross because I think it's fashionable.


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[Assistant] I'm just warning you guys, that if Moses crosses the line of the OnlyFans, he will turn- you will fucking ruin- you will fuck his life up so bad, and then when you guys break up, inevitably, sorry, you're gonna have a hard fucking time, bro, picking up the pieces.


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[Assistant] So, this is my, this is my, dude you've been dating not that long to be like, we should have broken up so many times. Do you see the warning signs? I'm just saying, Moses, just be careful, just be smart, I know she's pers- she's persistent, let's not see your dick on camera.


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[Assistant] I would rather, I would rather, I would rather drag my dick through a field of glass.


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[Assistant] Probably because they're, probably because it's tacky and they didn't, and it looked like garbage.


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[Assistant] It's like, it's a different thing. It's like a, there's like entry where there's like the mega branding. So that's what this is. But the, the application's nice. It's like puffy paint.


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[Assistant] Well, he doesn't like me, I'll tell you that. He unfollowed me after the beef.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because I don't wanna see your fucking vagina. Ever.


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[Assistant] Nobody- no, they were mad at me because I was like, no, it's not my- my dad doesn't care about anything.


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[Assistant] They're like, I, we spent all this time, and you just try, I was like, I was, I mean, I was like, okay, I'm sorry, I feel bad, I don't know why you're, we always,


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[Assistant] But my, you know what I really wanted to say is just like, well...


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[Assistant] Just don't watch the podcast because I'm gonna talk about everything.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like, I, I've, I've trashed my parents, and they've, they've never said anything, and I know they watch, and like, and I just, I res- first of all, I love my parents, and I respect so much that they give me the space to do my thing, and they never try to intervene and be like, you know, what you said really hurt my feelings.


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[Assistant] Let me s- you know, come here and speak my mind and- and be- and be true to myself when I'm on here. So I will- I will- I will- Exactly, I have to. So yeah, I would just, you know, say don't watch. But I didn't say that, but now-


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[Assistant] Well you probably, you, you like put them through the ringer early on.


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[Assistant] Well, you're pretty successful, I mean, shit. It's pretty, it's pretty great.


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[Assistant] How do you feel about that? Do you ever feel fetishized by her, Moses?


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna go, I'll just warn you right now, I'm not gonna go in as hard as you do.


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[Assistant] I like sketchers, I like Gucci shoes. I wish I could play that for everyone.


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[Assistant] Oh, so you think you're having dreams about me fucking dudes, and it's somehow my fault.


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[Assistant] I mean, I mostly, yea, I was mostly like girls at my school that I liked. Not like models or stuff.


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[Assistant] The girl that I was in love with when I was like in elementary school and-


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[Assistant] Which was weird, cause I'm not generally attracted, but she was really beautiful.


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[Assistant] No, she was, she wasn't, she, she, she was, uh, slender.


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[Assistant] I mean, I guess I haven't analyzed it too deeply, but like, yeaah, I guess I-


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[Assistant] Yeah, I probably, I probably do have a preference for people who aren't obese.


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[Assistant] Anything else? I mean not obese, I'm joking.


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[Assistant] Because this affects his life so much because of his family watching.


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[Assistant] I think it's a two-way, two roads. I think you're being defensive of your boyfriend, which is sweet. But I do think that Moses has some kind of problem communicating things. But why? And obviously I know he has his reasons, but I'm just saying.


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[Assistant] Okay, fine, but like, you still have to live and you still have to- I feel like that's a two way street. And you gotta meet in the middle. And they're not mad at you, they're mad at Moses.


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[Assistant] Well, whatever. Who cares? Why you shame? Why you kink-shaming your boyfriend?


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[Assistant] I feel like that's not a science. I feel like that you're bleeding in your jacuzzi.


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[Assistant] How do you know th- wha- what? Is that true, Moses?


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[Assistant] We have to distinguish between theory and fact here on this show.


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[Assistant] And then, and then, how many times a day do you guys have sex? I'm curious.


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[Assistant] What do you mean, uhm, I mean two times a day is probably more than I would be wanting to have.


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[Assistant] I mean, the problem is like, who has time to have sex four times in a day?


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[Assistant] Okay, alright, we're gonna wrap it up, we're way over. Thank you guys for watching, uh, as always, thank you for support, and thank you to our sponsor, of course, because, you know, if, I don't think if we make money, I think Trisha's not gonna have any motivation to do this.


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[Assistant] How'd I know when you were gonna be like so intricate? First of all, I didn't think you had hair and makeup people, which you didn't. You asked for my hair and makeup people, which is totally fine, love giving them work. But I'm just saying, I didn't think, oh, he's not gonna have the hair and makeup, like I do, that's what I do, that's my thing, I always look like the character. And then you were all of a sudden, once you got my hair and makeup people, I was just like, oh, he's gonna like really step it up. And so then-


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[Assistant] I know. Wait, why don't you like mention Howard Stern? You're like this weird thing. You said your audience comes for you when you mention Howard Stern. Like I love Howard Stern and you like refuse to talk about him. What? Like you don't like talking about him. You don't like mentioning like his name. I talk about him. What are you talking about? Cause you said like, oh that movie. Like you don't really say his name.


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[Assistant] Uhm, he's Jewish. Him and Adam Sandler read the Torah on his show like the other day. They literally, or what was it? Torah? Something. I don't know. They were reading.


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[Assistant] You know, I almost didn't agree to even do this podcast because Moses told me like you burp a lot and I hate burping so much. He said you burp a lot.


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[Assistant] You've seen me burp or fart. I'm not a guest anymore, so. This is our fifth episode. I know. Is it? Yeah. Yeah, wow, congrats.


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[Assistant] You guys are very sweet, actually. You're very open minded that you don't care that I do OnlyFans.


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[Assistant] I noticed you stepped it up on Instagram now. You guys are like, love her, hottie. I've always done that. So you have it. I've followed you guys for a year and you never did that. Okay.


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[Assistant] Ethan asked me to watch Shindler's List and I was like, no, but also, okay, let me just do it.


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[Assistant] It was, I felt so fat that day, cause I had Panda Express at that for lunch, and then I had the Mac and Cheese for dinner, and I'm like, wow, I'm really fat. But then, uhm, we watched it, and it was really sad, and it was audibly hard to hear, like just my only critique of Schindler's List is like, I get it, it's sad, and it was like, it was probably a great movie that won Oscars, but like,


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[Assistant] Audibly I couldn't hear them. It wasn't an accent thing. It wasn't like, I just couldn't, the audio was horrible.


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[Assistant] Anything has subtitles? Does this have subtitles?


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[Assistant] Well I thought you might quiz me, so I was like trying to give you the heads up, like I only watched like a third of it. So I didn't know if we were could be quizzed on this.


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[Assistant] No. What? Okay. If you are way too PC these days, that's not a thing. Like, is it a thing? I don't know.


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[Assistant] No, no, but serious, I shouldn't even say this because it's going to be too controversial, but I, I did do a 23andMe and I have ancestors that were from Africa.


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[Assistant] No, I think we all were like, like slaves at some point. We as NUME because you were Jewish and I'm...


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[Assistant] I didn't know they didn't. Oh my god, I'm not going there. No.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I have some, I have mostly Greek and Hungarian and then there's like, I don't know, there's some, there's some other stuff.


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[Assistant] No, I'm not. I'm not a Mikey over here. Oh, by the way, can, what happened to uhm, first of all, can we get Dave Chappell on our show?


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[Assistant] Uhm, I know this song, if they could see me now, that little gang of mine, I'm drinking fancy-


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[Assistant] I'm really good with like lyrics and songs, like I feel like that would have been my forte, but thank you for my redemption. Do I get something for that?


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[Assistant] Uhm, there's Mikey, Patrick Starr, James Charles commenting, Chris D'Elia, there's so much to talk about and I don't know where to start.


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[Assistant] But what did he do that was so bad? Here's the thing, right? So he talked underage girls like, hey, I'm 17, he stopped talking to them, right? Because he's like, oh, you can't really show it that you're over 18. Look, I'm the first to condemn old, creepy guys hitting on young girls. But at the same time, he didn't do anything wrong. But did he do something wrong? Because he's hiding. Oh, he did.


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[Assistant] He was on your podcast a couple times, you think he just used you for clout?


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[Assistant] Well I'm no longer a guest. Now I'm a co-host on this channel.


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[Assistant] Uhm, we have Patrick Starr, doing his Beetlejuice tutorial. Okay, first of all, I'm a huge fan of Beetlejuice, my nails are Beetlejuice.


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[Assistant] Beetlejuice, he just did a Beetlejuice video, and he said, oh, today, he's like, I'm a huge fan of Beetlejuice, I'm doing this look inspired by Beetlejuice today, the great movie starring Kevin Costner.


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[Assistant] I didn't know about the Holocaust, I didn't know what happened, I didn't know.