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[Assistant] Yeah, and I think that's, you know, we don't know if Bates would take that, but I think if you're getting the most guaranteed money, that's what matters. Who cares about your average annual value? Cause you might not see that money. It's all about the guaranteed money. Give him more guaranteed money than Fitzpatrick. And I would think he signs the contract.


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[Assistant] Any other thing though that you have to keep in mind, and it also adds a twist to this, is that, hey look, the bangles went out and drafted


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[Assistant] Potential replacements. I mean, you spend a first round pick on Dax Hill.


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[Assistant] Uh, and so in the bangles minds, they might be thinking, why are we going to give this guy all this money when we've got someone, we've got his replacement ready, who is much, much cheaper.


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[Assistant] And so maybe they only want to pay him for one year. Maybe that's actually what is in the bagels long-term plans. Uh, cause why are you out here drafting all these defensive backs? Uh, you know, obviously drafting a corner and Taylor Britt and then, uh, a safety or a slot corner, wherever you want to put Hill. Um,


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[Assistant] But yeaah, so you're drafting these guys who could end up being his replacement so that the Bengals are thinking, we just don't want to commit five years and all this money, uh, when we're not even sure he's going to be here. So it's, it's just a messy negotiation.


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[Assistant] I mean, several players have, and I will say, uh, Joe Burrow did invite Jesse Bates to a UFC fight.


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[Assistant] Make a statement that says, Hey, look, I want this guy. This guy's my buddy. Keep them on the team. Yeah, I agree.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and the other thing is you mentioned the trade where if you don't, if you let him walk, he, that means he played on your team for one season.


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[Assistant] Right, and so that's a steep price to pay for a one-year rental, so I think you have to get a deal done, and I think that probably pays into Brown's thinking, like, you're gonna let me walk out for one year, you're crazy, or not walk, because it's not like he can go anywhere, he got franchise tag.


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[Assistant] But I think the reports out there that Orlando Brown wants to be the highest paid left tackle. And so the franchise tag is at 16.66 million. Then you have Trent Williams at the top making 23 million dollars per year. So he wants...


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[Assistant] That's a hefty, and again, we're talking about these big gaps. The Bangles and Jesse Bates gap was about 4 million per year. Now you're looking at a gap that's 6.5 million per year.


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[Assistant] And so. I think Brown is also unsigned in terms of his franchise. Yes. Yeah. Brown and Bates. So Brown and Bates could both skip training camp without facing any penalty.


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[Assistant] And that also throws a wrench into this, because if you're the Chiefs, you want your starting left tackle in training camp, you don't want him to miss out on all these reps, show up two days before the season starts, and start playing, uh, you know, and he might not be in football shape, so.


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[Assistant] Man, this is, it's just like the bait situation. They're both dicey. There's a reason these guys haven't signed because you give away, you don't really have any leverage once you get the franchise tag, but you give away all your leverage once you sign the deal.


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[Assistant] You, you can, you look at it from the optimistic point of view, and it's that, alright, fine, I make this $12.9 million. All I have to do is go out and have a somewhat decent season, and I'm gonna get a huge raise next year, and I don't have to stay in Cincinnati if I feel disrespected, and if they want to hit me with the franchise tag again, I make $14.5 million, whatever.


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[Assistant] But you know, you just, it's still a pretty good sum of money.


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[Assistant] Well, and I think the chief situation is similar to the bangles in the sense that if they, you know, say Orlando Brown signs his franchise tag, he gets 16.66 million. Then if he signed, if he gets hit with the franchise tag again next year, he gets the 20% raise, which knocks him up to about 20 million.


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[Assistant] Uh, and so you're looking at two years. So the chief snoper fact, they can lock him in at two years and 36.7 million. So basically 18.3, 18.4 million dollars per year. And that's what candidacy is saying. Like, Hey, look, why should we give you substantially higher number than that when


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[Assistant] We don't have to. We can just franchise, tag you this year and next year. And so when Brown's saying, hey, I want 23 million a year, the chiefs are like, well, we got to 18.5 easy. So why, why are we giving you anything above that? So that's why both these negotiations are rough and why I think most of the reports out there say that they're probably not going to get done.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's the thing is that if you're the teams, this would have been a lot easier if you said, yeah, I know what you guys are asking, but you're not getting up into the top three. We're not going to give you Mark Andrews money or Travis Kelsey or George Kittle.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so that automatically leads them under 14 million per year, but then they fire back with, like you just said, and Joku Contract throws everything out of whack, cause Gaseki's gonna be like, uh,


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[Assistant] Have you seen my numbers? I put up better numbers than him, and I think I'm a better tight end than him, so you gotta give me more money. And he's so close to 14 million that I, I think that's probably around where he's going to try and end up at. Maybe...


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[Assistant] Yeah, then you have, uh, Kaseki's had a couple big years. I think he had 71 catches last year. Uhm, so this is like, again, that's why these negotiations have-


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[Assistant] So these guys are both saying this is a no-brainer that we deserve more money than in Joku. And the teams are like, well that guy, the Browns are dumb. Sorry, we're not giving you money because the Browns are dumb, is what the Cowboys and Dolphins are probably saying.


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[Assistant] Question I'm going to try and trick you with, but then you're going to out think yourself and not sure how much trickery is in my tricky question. Who had more receptions last year? George Kittle or Mike Gussick?


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[Assistant] I, I don't know, I think that both these guys end up


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[Assistant] Playing on the tag. I just can't see them getting, uh, but 10 point, the tag's 10.9 million. Even if you got up to 13 million, that's a hefty raise.


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[Assistant] So, and like you said, you said earlier, Hunter Henry and Johnny Smith, just get above that and they're at 12 and a half million.


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[Assistant] We're running into the same thing though that we ran into with Bates and uh, Brown, and it's the fact that if


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[Assistant] The, the dolphins and the cowboys were to tag both these guys for two years.


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[Assistant] Right, why, why take any risk when we know we can get you under contract for two, an average of $12 million a year for two years? Why are we giving you $14 million a year? We have to really like you. And so...


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[Assistant] Again, that is what seems to be the issue in all of these is that


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[Assistant] When you are asking for substantially more than what two franchise tags would pay, even though you get a 20% raise with a second franchise tag, then it's tough for the team to justify that because they're thinking, huh, why would we do that? We don't, we don't have any reason. We control your rights for the next two years at a much lower price than you're asking. Uh, so you got to be reasonable or we're not going to get a deal done.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, that's true. The cap relief is really the only thing because even if you sign a five year deal, it's not like all five years are.


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[Assistant] You know, the guaranteed money usually dries up after two or three years.


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[Assistant] But once, well, if the Bengals were send it, then the space would free up. Cause you have to have the space available. Cause you know, if the Bengals had say, uh, $8 in cash space, they basically needed time.


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[Assistant] And it is crazy, you mentioned the Cowboys, they have the second most available cap space of anyone right now.


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[Assistant] Well, and Brinton real quick, that is, of the 12 teams with the most cap space right now, every team that's negotiating is in that top 12. The Dolphins, the Cowboys, the Bengals, the Chiefs, all four of them, uh, are ranked with the top 12 most cap space.


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[Assistant] So he can come out wearing his white Bengal tiger helmets.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna have one, uh, back behind me soon, Brinson. Just wait.


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[Assistant] We're gonna wear these helmets this year, but we don't have any pictures to show you.


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[Assistant] Ryan Wilson, how you doing buddy? Time and space headed for nowhere. It's like the intro to Twilight Zone. If you remember that, you ever watched that old one, like the sixties version with the Brats early?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was like scary. Like there's a young Ron Howard plays like an evil kid in one of them.


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[Assistant] They're, they're, they're actually pretty good for people who haven't seen that. Uh, Deebo. Haven't talked to you in a while. Uh, I know you know sort of the backstory. Brentson sent me 300 bucks on Venmo for the tattoo that hopefully will take place next month in Nashville together.


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[Assistant] Do you know, after he solicited our poor viewers and listeners, what that number is now up to? 300 plus how many dollars?


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[Assistant] Well, now, I mean, we have to lay out the specifics of what this tattoo is going to look like, because it's nice.


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[Assistant] We've talked previously that it's not going to be Ryan Finley's actual face because Breach has to draw it and I think- You can get a circle tattooed at this point. I don't care.


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[Assistant] I think I'm gonna get like a, uh, a dolphin.


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[Assistant] The reason I mention this is because my concern is that people are giving all this money thinking that it's going to be Ryan Stupid Finley's faces on my arm, which, uh, we, I think we sort of agreed a while ago.


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[Assistant] As you like to do, you like to start the pot, so who knows.


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[Assistant] I don't hate this one, and the reason I don't hate it is because when I was younger...


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[Assistant] I, I was a really big fan of this. I won't say anymore, so we won't, uhm, clue breach it.


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[Assistant] Uh, so I'll put this in Slack in just a second. But anyway, so yeah, we're over $500 because people are crazy.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, so I was just saying, don't s- I thought you didn't want Breach to see it. No, I, no, I, I, I'll put it in here and you can, you can, you can, you can describe it. So uhm, anyway, don't send him more money is what I was gonna say.


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[Assistant] Oh, I think I only pay, like, what's the, tell me what it is. I think I paid for like, uh, old man's soccer leagues and what else is there?


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[Assistant] The level of effort you put into your job is astounding.


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[Assistant] Does that meet the requirements of, uh, in lieu of Ryan Finley? Uhm, I think Ryan Finley's


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[Assistant] Well, Joe Cool is sort of the Snoopy like gag from back in the day, like, you know, as part of the Charles Schultz. That was a big...


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[Assistant] I was a big Snoopy fan when I was growing up, like 8, 9, 10 years old. Uh, that's why that sort of caught my attention. But maybe, uh, I was thinking maybe.


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[Assistant] Maybe a Snoopy ankle tattoo with RF on it or something? Like I thought that would be funny.


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[Assistant] Preach who's supposed to be working today is clearly just waiting for Snoopy tattoos to drop in our...


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[Assistant] Alright, well good. We all agree. So if you're, uh, if you


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[Assistant] Will that be too small? Cause this thing isn't going to be as big as this man's forearm.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, we can work out the particulars. I think Devo's ideas is a worthy one and a, and a RF recognition somewhere. I don't want to put it, like if you put his face on the tattoo, it's gonna look like a, like a mole. It'll look like a little mole on the guy's arm there. Anyway, if you've donated,


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[Assistant] Go watch this on YouTube. Take a look at it. And then, you know, I guess you can, can you text people over Venmo now too? It feels like you can.


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[Assistant] Yeah, if you don't like it and you want your money back, let me know. I'll give it back to you. I'm certainly and we'll make prints and pay for more of it. So win, win.


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[Assistant] Go for it. I check Venmo once a month and uh, the only reason I now get Venmo updates is via email. Because email lets me, I don't go to Venmo. How many times are you looking at Venmo a day? Zero. Right.


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[Assistant] Yeah, by the time this podcast is over, I'm going to have two sleeves, my face can be tattooed, just to, just to get the. Nice and tiger face tattooed. By the way, the, the bird man, the, the basketball player. Yeah. Dude's got a lot of tats.


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[Assistant] It's like John Breach winning the Wilbrits and Mail Model of the Year award.


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[Assistant] Oh, well that's an idea. You could get a prelim tattoo. Alright. Shut that one down right quick.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Like a, yeah. A pre-engagement. That's a thing now, I think. You get a pre-engagement ring.


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[Assistant] Devo asked me to prepare. I prepared and rookie, uh, rookies report, uh, today in Buffalo and in Las Vegas and the other list. That's why rookies report tomorrow in Atlanta, Baltimore, New Orleans, New York, New York, New England, Miami, and LA Chargers.


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[Assistant] Just go down the line, because again, Buffalo and Las Vegas are rolling out the rookies today, and Debo just wanted to list us some names that, uh, keep an eyeball on.


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[Assistant] And I love Dave Richard, but when he tweets out, 12 more weekends.


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[Assistant] I think there's a lot of, uh, hype lead up that can wear you out. It's like, uh, in your case, like when a new Marvel movie's coming out, they spend months promoting the crap out of it. I don't know if you'd be disappointed, but I would imagine some folks get angry at whatever happens, you know?


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[Assistant] And in our defense, we are doing virtually zero writing, but this is the time of year where you're just making up stuff to throw against the wall to hope that people read it. Like 10 reasons that you're a team, blah, blah, blah. And I get it. People like reading those things and fans are interested and I get all that, but they get tough to write after year seven.


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[Assistant] Do not compare him to James Cook. I found that out the hard way, uh, over draft weekend.


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[Assistant] Wow, these odds are interesting. 15-1 on cook and 21-1 on me.


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[Assistant] Well, then I, I need some glasses because, uh, I'm not convinced that he is going to be a feature back.


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[Assistant] He's a lot smaller than his brother Dalvin in terms of taking hits. He's a good player, but I didn't like him taking this high. Again, that doesn't mean anything at the end of the day. If he comes out and plays extremely well, who cares? But I just wonder what, I know what his role is going to be. He's going to be a receiver out of the backfield more than a running back, I think.


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[Assistant] I think that's great. I mean, that's one more weapon for Josh Allen. And again, in terms of the 15 to 1 odds, he doesn't have to be the best player in this class, but if he's a guy who catches 40 passes,


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[Assistant] And then rushes for 400 or 500 yards and scores 8 or 9 touchdowns? I mean...


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[Assistant] Okay. I'm sure that the, the, the Bills would take that no questions asked. So in that sense, I understand that there's some running backs out like better than him, but that doesn't mean the fit, as we say all the time during draft season doesn't matter. Cause I think that fit is pretty good.


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[Assistant] The blueprint then, with James Cook now on the scene. That makes sense.


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[Assistant] I think it's, if it's, what if it's 60-40 leaning towards Devin? In terms of carries. 60-40?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think that that seems reasonable. I don't know. How could I have a monster year? Yeah, I don't think it's going to be 80-20.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so, uh, Carrie Elam, obviously, um, I love that pick. James Cooke, we talked about, they drafted Khalil Turner, um, day three, I believe, early day three. And he's an interesting guy. He's a, a slot guy who can run really fast and they got, uh, Matt Ariza, the guy who can punt the ball 4,000 yards. I want to see how that works out. He's, I don't know if he's from California, but he went to San Diego.


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[Assistant] We're talking about the combine. I don't know if Josh maybe talked to him separately. I don't know. But we talked about the combine. He was a great guy. Uh, but I want to see how the, the, the punt yards translates when you go from California to Buffalo in December.


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[Assistant] Uhm, two guys on the offense to keep an eye on, uh, to go along with Devontae Adams and Derek Carr and Josh Jacobs and your dude Hunter Rentbro.


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[Assistant] Like I think the Raiders are gonna finish with a better record than the Broncos. I think I've said that before, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna lean into that.


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[Assistant] From Green Bay, what's his name? Nathaniel Hackett. Nathaniel Hackett. Like he's supposed to be a good dude, but I don't know what, do we know anything about him as a head coach?


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[Assistant] Dealing with big personnel, well, he has a lot of experience with Aaron Rodgers and they get along well, so that's a checkmark for in that column, but.


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[Assistant] I feel more comfortable with Josh Allen, Josh Allen, Josh Mcdowell is in round two of his.


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[Assistant] And Richie Incognito just retired. I think he last played with the Raiders.


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[Assistant] I don't remember that one. I can't remember, who was, I don't remember the player's name. He was Bullion, the other offensive lineman in Miami. Yeah. I mean, Jonathan Martin, it's been so long ago.


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[Assistant] 2018. Crazier is that you actually used to write back then.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you, as I was watching that commercial, I mean, Simpsons is one and South Park is two in terms of best animated comedy series ever, right? I mean, I would take, uh, South Park.


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[Assistant] I don't even know what's three. I don't even know what three would be. Like Archer's great, but Archer had a short run.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm not into the animation scene, so maybe I'm not one to speak on this, but I know people like Rick and Morty, Family Guy, uh, The Cleveland Show, like all the Seth, what's Seth's last name? McFarland.


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[Assistant] They have their place. The one with the American dad, I didn't hate that. But yeaah, I think clearly number one and number two are Simpsons.


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[Assistant] Dang, Drake London is number two? Behind Kenny Pickett?


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[Assistant] Do not bet Kenny Pickett if he were, uh, if they kidnapped Mac Jones and traded him to the, to the Patriots.


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[Assistant] So, Tyler Asgeo reminds me of James Connor. Uhm, so.


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[Assistant] James Connor was drafted when Levian Bell was in his prime or close to his prime.


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[Assistant] Man, those are, those are some, he's down at the bottom with guys who have no chance of winning. That's interesting.


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[Assistant] The same number as Drake London is, which I think is plus 700. Cause Drake London needs someone to throw him the ball and have that quarterback get protected. Can you name two other running backs on this Falcons roster?


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[Assistant] Exactly, that's my point. Damien Williams, Quadra Allison is still there. So, I mean.


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[Assistant] A quarterback who, who's going to struggle to make the roster. Ealy might be the same way, the running back out of, uhm, Ole Miss.


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[Assistant] I mean, he may not, he, maybe he makes the team. I don't remember who drafted him, the wide receiver in Nevada. So yeah, it's crazy that he's this far down the list. I love this game, but, um, BYU?


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[Assistant] But Cotero Patterson, how many carries did he average last year? He wasn't carrying the ball 20 times a game, was he?


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[Assistant] Okay, well that's, you know, that's ten a game. A little less. Yep. Alright, so that's the Falcons.


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[Assistant] Not a lot to love in terms of wins and losses as we sit here, but obviously, uhm,


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[Assistant] Some bets you could make for Rookie of the Year. And again, I like Tyler Algier better than Drake London. Even if they're both, if they're both at plus 700, who are you taking?


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[Assistant] I think I'm still taking Algier. Wow. London's got to share carries or share targets with Kyle Pitts. Who's throwing the ball? Who's protecting the quarterback that's throwing the ball? Just turn around and give the ball to Algier and fingers crossed.


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[Assistant] Especially if you play a bunch of sub-packages, which everyone doesn't know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, if you're good. It was probably, what's his name for, um, the chief last year, the center from Oklahoma. Guy, what's his name? Creed Humphrey? Yeah, Creed Humphrey.


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[Assistant] Or even if he plays every snap, how many sacks is he getting as a zero technique? I mentioned two other guys on this list for Baltimore. They drafted two tight ends, Charlie Kohler and Isaiah Likely, who we know that the Ravens like tight ends. We know they didn't like Hollywood Brown and, um,


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[Assistant] What's his name? Uh, Lamar wasn't happy about that, but I want to see how the, these rookie tight ends fit into, uh, a system that includes obviously Mark, uh, Mark. What's Mark's last name? Mark Andrews. Excuse me.


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[Assistant] So, uh, two other names keeping an eye on. I don't think there's gonna be any, I don't even know if there are, there are odds for either Kohler are likely to, to win any sort of awards, but.


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[Assistant] They could be a part of that offense that folks aren't talking about right, right now because it's the middle of July, but, uh, ultimately be pretty important.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we're not talking enough about that. Maybe that's because we, you know, it's been summertime, but that trade still maybe justifies itself, but it's still a weird trade, uh, bizarre to use your word.


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[Assistant] That's a lot to ask for an FCS player who actually I love. He was fantastic when we talked about the combine and he's nasty and all those other things. But again.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they played, I think they played Iowa early in the season. They played a big 12 team and he held his own, but I mean.


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[Assistant] You get up to Ron Armstead and a bunch of draft picks to get Olabe in.


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[Assistant] I didn't love him as much as other guys, but that doesn't mean anything. He's a really good player. I thought he was going to be a first round pick. Uh, he was, uh, I think the first or second, second or third wide receiver draft. He was drafted higher than I thought he'd go. But, um,


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[Assistant] And that offense, he makes a ton of sense. We'll see what happens with Mike Thomas, Al Kamar will be back, assuming, uh, there's no suspension for whatever happened in Las Vegas earlier this year. And then James will be back. So we'll see what James is, is like, uh, post ACL. I thought last year was his best year in the league before he got hurt on, I think.


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[Assistant] If my other take was a warm take, my hot take is that they win the division.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Trevor Penney, is he an upgrade over Tyrone Armstead? No.


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[Assistant] So, Toronto Arms said if he's an A- or an A, and Trevor Penning is a B-, you can work with that, or a C+, I think you can work with that.


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[Assistant] On paper it looks fantastic. The concern with Wendell Robinson is that maybe he was drafted a little high because he's undersized and how often do these undersized wide receivers come in and are immediate difference makers and that's the history.


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[Assistant] Ooh, Christian Watson. And then Ken Walker is plus a thousand. Who's the other running back that that went in the second round? He went to Seattle. So.


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[Assistant] Uhm, transfer from Georgia, had a big year last year. Then Breece Hall, uh, almost beat me up with his eyes at the combine. Cause I said he was my second favorite running back after Ken Walker, but he's, he's awesome. So he, he's a great player can help out of the backfield.


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[Assistant] And uhm, all those guys feel like immediate contributors. Probably, if you're gonna make me rank them, Breeze Hall, Garrett Wilson, Sauce Gardener, and then Jermaine Johnson in terms of immediate contributions, but.


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[Assistant] Well, if they have a top five pick and they have all these quarterbacks coming out that are supposed to be what we think they are right now, then it is going to be a problem.


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[Assistant] NC State's coming to Syracuse this year, so I'll get to see Devon Leary in person.


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[Assistant] Is he transferred in or has he been there the whole time? Been there the whole time. Where's he from? Is he a North Carolina kid? Jersey guy. Geez, that's weird. I wonder how he got out of...


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[Assistant] Well, that's why he hopes to win 7 games. You don't want to have a top 5.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so Tycoine Thornton is a burner out of Baylor. He ran in the four twos. I didn't love him.


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[Assistant] On the field as much as the Patriots and Prisco. Prisco liked him a lot too as a second round pick and that's where he went. Uh, he'll certainly give Mack Jones a deep threat. They, they moved on from Nikhil Harry who's now in Chicago.


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[Assistant] And they, they have my guy Devontae Parker, who I think is going to be a big part of that offense along with Francis Scott, Jacobi Myers and 400 tight ends, Johnny Smith and Hunter Henry.


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[Assistant] So we'll see what Taekwon Thornton adds. He won't have to come in right away and be a difference maker because of the names I mentioned. And then Marcus Jones is one of my favorite players.


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[Assistant] I bet he's 5'8". I have to go look up his numbers again, but he is.


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[Assistant] Diminutive, but he is an absolute baller. If he were 6-1, he'd be a top 15 pick. He can return, uh, kicks and punts. He can actually play a little offense. He, he caught some passes at Houston as well. And he feels, you know, you say this all the time in the street, he feels like a Patriots player. And the Dolphins didn't pick until the end of the third round because of the aforementioned Tyre kill stuff, the trade.


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[Assistant] Uh, they got Channing Tindall, uh, one of the thousands of athletic linebackers out of Georgia. And, uh, just keep it on his impact early on. Uh, of the group, Quay Walker went in the first round. N'Kobe Dean went in the third round to Depot's Eagles and then started Channing Tindall. Uh, N'Kobe Dean was my favorite.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but obviously I think injuries are part of the reason he fell. Quay Walker, the Packers got him at the end of round one. Again, athleticism.


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[Assistant] Oozing out of his pores, same with Channing Tyndall, but I think Channing Tyndall is probably the, the, the rawest of the, of those three. So we'll see how he comes along in Miami.


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[Assistant] Pete loves Tyquan Thornton, so we'll see how this works out. And just, I'll go on record, Pete had a fantastic draft, late April, early May, over those three days, but there's still an opportunity for all those picks to blow up in his face, which is what I'm hoping for in the long run.


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[Assistant] Um, in terms of the quarterbacks falling, like he had Lee going in the third round.


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[Assistant] He had no quarterbacks getting drafted in the second round. He loved the Taekwon Thornton deal, uh, to pick. He'd been talking up Taekwon Thornton in the days leading up to the draft in the weeks. So a lot of the things that he liked played out. But like I said, there's still opportunity for him to, to, to, you know, go belly up on this thing if the players in the long run.


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[Assistant] I say this about a lot of guys, but he is one of my favorite players in this draft class. Played left tackle at BC because of need. He's going to play guard in Los Angeles, played center at the senior bowl, extremely versatile, extremely athletic, extremely smart, Davidson transfer. So you have him and then you have Rashaun Slater and Sweet Mercy.


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[Assistant] And they're not similar type players and that Eckler's a little smaller, probably a lot faster, but they do a lot of the same things in terms of the ability to run and catch the ball out of the backfield. So in the same way that James Cook is an option for Josh Allen and Buffalo, I think Isaiah Splur is going to have those opportunities in Los Angeles with a team that


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[Assistant] Uhm, I don't know what the, have you looked at the odds recently to win a division between KC and the Chargers? Cause I might be in one of the Chargers this year. Whole hog.


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[Assistant] Where the replacement, although that's another one we'll see when they open camp, but they got Sky Moore who's going to be a fun little player to watch. Not going to be Tyree Kill, but I mean how do you replace Tyree Kill I guess is my point.


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[Assistant] Will that get you the neck bolts and the haircut of Frankenstein?


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[Assistant] So you trust that more than, um, Justin Herbert year three with all those weapons and now another top flight offensive lineman.


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[Assistant] They did not make a playoff last year because of the tie they could not pull off.


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[Assistant] Alright. And by the way, the Chiefs were three and three last year when we were all, well, not you, you were not. I was burying them.


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[Assistant] Well, I need a week. Not all of us can take two weeks. Alright, you know, what's up, everybody? Welcome to the Big Six Podcast, CBS Sports Daily, NFL Podcast. I'm Wilburton. I'm your host. It is Tuesday, July 12th. If you're listening to podcasts in audio form.


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[Assistant] Monday, July 11th, you're watching live with us on YouTube, youtube.com slash pick six.


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[Assistant] I actually was trying to explain to somebody on Saturday afternoon or Saturday evening, but I was a, I am affecting YouTube.


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[Assistant] There you go. Joining me to talk about, we're talking about most improved teams.


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[Assistant] There's no way, there's no way, there's no way you wrote this article because you, Ryan Wilson, have been kicking it overseas in Italy for two weeks. That's right. One week? Two weeks? You're going for a while.


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[Assistant] You seem rested and relaxed, a little more dismissive, a little more dismissive than normal, but in a calm way. Post-Vacation Wilson is always the best because you realize just how miserable your work life is and you come back from like, like it's such a kick in the nuts.


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[Assistant] Such a kick in the lower area to go like floating around Rome, prancing around Italy, enjoying your life to the fullest and you come back.


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[Assistant] You know, but like, it's like everybody, that's vacation for everybody.


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[Assistant] You know what's odd is like, typically speaking for, and it depends on, you know, obviously depends on my film.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like if I was going to Rome, like when we went to Disney World, it was weird, man. I turned into like a different person. I was like, all right, we got to be here, here at this time, here at this time. We need to organize.


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[Assistant] I think he's doing teams that will stink worse than they did last year and tomorrow. Or maybe that's just silly. I don't know. We'll figure it out tomorrow. Uh, anyway. Oh. We're a nominee for the best sports podcast category in the People's Sports Podcast Awards.


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[Assistant] How? We're straight here too. Yikes. I don't get it either, but I'm not going to ask questions.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I mean, just take, take the W, man, don't ask questions.


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[Assistant] To help us out, as you, as you, kind listeners and kind viewers always do, we hope you will help push us through to the next round, uh, by nominating us to advance to what will be the final round. I think there's like five, five finalists in advance. I mean, there's like a,


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[Assistant] I mean, like that's how we got nominated. There's like a decent number, but it's not like an obscene number of sports podcasts. We're also in best overall podcast. So if you're going to go to podcastawards.com slash app slash sign up.


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[Assistant] In this podcast episode as well, and I'm pretty sure you can, uhm, you can vote every day. So if you want to vote, vote! And, uh, we would appreciate that.


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[Assistant] And if we, if we win the whole thing, if we win the best sports podcast of the year, I will get, uh, uh, Breach and I decided I'll get a tattoo of you sipping wine in Italy on my shoulder.


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[Assistant] Just gonna gloss over the tattoo issue, the lingering tattoo issue.


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[Assistant] You don't have a transactional memo. It's your first transaction.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. I'll tell you this, I go private on them though. Mine's just at Will Brinson.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, it's coming. Alright, we might be seeing history. Uhm, live on the podcast, you can see it. Alright, $300, sit your way.


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[Assistant] Oh, you got it, baby. I want that tattoo done. Uhm, wow.


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[Assistant] Uhm. Yeah, but so yeah, I mean you could get it done in Nashville. It's not a bad idea.


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[Assistant] Anyway, podcast viewers and listeners will be excited about that, but what we'll do is...


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[Assistant] If you go somewhere where bachelorette parties and bachelor parties take place all the time, they're going to be tattoo parlors that do a decent job. Cause they're getting, you know.


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[Assistant] And, if they're like, look, if you want something decent, it's gonna cost another two or three hundred dollars.


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[Assistant] I'm not, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna allow Dean.


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[Assistant] To get the tattoo. There is no more hemming and hawing from your perspective.


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[Assistant] Wow, that's not, that's not like an insane amount of it, I feel like. Alright, so, wait, what did we just say? You're, alright, if you...


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[Assistant] Dear listener or dear viewer, want to help chip in to help increase the quality of Ryan Wilson's tattoo?


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[Assistant] Uh, Ryan Wilson to sign up for Venmo. And that's why you had to settle for that account. Cause again, like you couldn't just be like Ryan Wadash Wilson. So send whatever you want to send him. Include Finley Tattoo in the note so that way he knows.


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[Assistant] I apparently delayed mine as well, even though I wasn't doing it on purpose, much like many things in my life. And now we have killed 15 minutes of this podcast, so.


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[Assistant] It's also apparently, I didn't realize this. I mean, I'm glad that you're on the show. I think that's the only reason Devo or Nada put this. Okay, again. Ryan Wilson's Venmo. Ryan. Dash.


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[Assistant] Wilson-37831. Search for that. It's, if you get, I mean, it's just him. Uhm, he's not gonna give you the last four digits of his phone number. You're gonna have to just confirm, pay without confirming. That's what I did. He got it. You saw it. It's him. Uhm, alright, let's rip through some news really quickly. Hinesfield will have a new name. Uhm, a Creaser Stadium? What is a Creaser?


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[Assistant] Are they really going to change Heinz Field? This is an artificial... Wait, what?


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[Assistant] I don't, uhm, so like, this is kind of a weird...


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[Assistant] Uhm, time in stadium naming rights because, like, for instance,


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[Assistant] I went to the Crypto.com arena when we were out in LA for the Super Bowl for a Lakers game.


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[Assistant] It's weird that I'm bothered by that because I'm like, like Staples is an office supply chain.


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[Assistant] Like brand and go into another one. Like I, I really, but I just feel like in some, I mean, Henry Heinz is only since 2001.


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[Assistant] I can't remember, Staples has had, Staples has been, not all know this. How long is, how long was this, the Crypto.com arena in the Staples Center?


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[Assistant] It would have been early 90s, sorry. Me and my parents went up there and we saw the Yankees and the A's play.


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[Assistant] My brother caught a foul ball from Walt Weiss, you know, manager.


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[Assistant] I got asked about this on radio with our buddy Adam Gold on Monday. Lamar Jackson changed his social media to a profile picture of, it appears to be the background. No, not the, not the, not the, not the photo. The photo is still him holding a football, but the background image of his


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[Assistant] Uh, Twitter profile is a person with, uhm, gold, excuse me, gold teeth that says, I need money.


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[Assistant] As far as we know from what we've been told, and I really don't think that the, uhm,


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[Assistant] That the, that the Ravens don't have any reason to lie to us in this front. I mean, Ziba Scotty came out and said, we've tried to call Lamar a bunch. He hasn't really picked up the phone. Whereas Kyler Murray was like, it was like before the draft, it's just not when you do contracts. So like Kyler Murray's was much, much worse, but I still think it's the same thing in the sense that it's a passive aggressive, uh, message you were sending to


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[Assistant] It's close to a deal, but then they have to franchise tag him and then they work something out like right around like July 10th.


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[Assistant] Quarterback franchise tag for this year is 29.703 million.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that means, it seems safe to say you'll be above 30 million for next year, if you get, if you get another quarterback inside the deal, it'll probably be Kyler Murray. Uhm, so Lamar could play for 30, let's say 31 million next year, and then he's getting 120% minimum of that after that.


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[Assistant] On these franchise tags. I know with his skill set, I probably wouldn't.


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[Assistant] Eh, you know what, we'll take a break. We don't, we don't, we can talk about GBG later. We'll take a break when we come back. Most Improved Teams, Ryan Wilson and I will discuss next.


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[Assistant] I think we have a list of five teams. Is this, is it most improved teams or is this?


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[Assistant] Teams who are going to step forward and make the playoffs, because I think it's that. It's teams who miss the playoffs. In fact, you know, uhm.


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[Assistant] That's what, this is actually, this is an article that I used to write every year for CBS, and now they've given it out to somebody else, which I don't care, whatever. Giving it out.


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[Assistant] I think, I like, I like talking about five, if we're picking five teams who we think will make the playoffs that didn't, let's start in the AFC West because I think it'd be insane to make a list of teams. I mean, that's just average historically. Five teams.


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[Assistant] To me, even though the ASUS is incredibly hard, you wouldn't...


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[Assistant] Make a list of five teams who could make a step forward into the playoffs.


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[Assistant] Without including both the bronkers and the chargers who are also on this most improved list because the chargers were simply a


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[Assistant] Uh, they added Jaycee Jackson to free agency, like they did a ton of stuff to make an already good team better. There's no reason, I think, Wilson, to suggest that the...


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[Assistant] Either that the Chargers would not be a likely playoff team, even in a division with really four, four top teams. And again, if you were picking teams who missed the playoffs last year.


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[Assistant] You have a Broncos team with a good roster, granted a new coaching staff.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but you have weapons on offense, you have lots of good players on defense, a decent offensive line, two pretty good running backs of Javon P. Williams and Melvin Gordon. And then you add Russell Wilson, like to me those are two easy.


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[Assistant] I think, I think you'll find out that you are in the, yeah, not a learning entity.


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[Assistant] No, I'm actually with you on that take. I just think that uhm, I want to, like, I just think that I'm, like, again, I'm not, you're, the Chiefs and the Raiders made the playoffs.


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[Assistant] All they had to do in week 18 was go to Jacksonville and beat a Jaguars team that was- Without a coach. Right. Right. That had been, had fired their coach like months ago. That was terrible.


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[Assistant] And you have Jonathan Taylor, you just beat him the ball 40 times. You win the game, you go home, you make the playoffs and you don't have to worry about, you know, getting fired because your owner hates Carson Winston more than, um, than he hates.


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[Assistant] The Colts, upgraded quarterback, get Matt Ryan. Reach actually listed them as his number one team.


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[Assistant] Titans are the pretty easy team to take out as well. Like I'm sure they'll be on that list. Uhm, is there any reason to suggest that the Colts are not a, are not on this, like would not be a good fit on this list?


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[Assistant] Yeah, like I think if you have a Matt Ryan led team with Jonathan Taylor.


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[Assistant] It is going to be just pound the rock with JT. Run, play, action.


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[Assistant] And Matt Ryan's gonna be behind a really good offensive line or at least an above average top 10 offensive line is going to be returned to like, I don't want to say like elite form, but he's going to return to top.


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[Assistant] Down on him just because of what he, you know, what he's been doing to Falcons the last few years. The reality is if he...


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[Assistant] At the actual level, he's played at with what the Colts have versus what the Falcons had.


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[Assistant] And this team could miss the playoffs, don't get me wrong, they're not allowed to make the playoffs. But I think if you're building, if you're building on a list of five teams that missed the playoffs last year and could potentially take a step forward and make the playoffs this year, there's three just absolute locks on every single list and it's the Broncos, Chargers, and Colts. Colts in particular, you can even leave one of the Broncos or Chargers off if you want.


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[Assistant] Maybe you could consider them, the Texans are not, you know, not in the mix.


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[Assistant] The other two teams on here, the Raiders and the Steelers, uhm, I believe this is Brian Diardo's list.


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[Assistant] That made the playoffs. So they made the playoffs so you and I are going to find two other teams.


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[Assistant] A wandering eye towards the NFC because we have just listed three ASC teams.


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[Assistant] Let's see if I can find one team to be in. Okay. You were gonna say...


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[Assistant] Crazy. So they're getting a last place schedule. Possibly Lamar Jackson locked up and happy.


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[Assistant] Yes, they lost Marquise Brown, but Rashad Bateman can take a step forward this year.


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[Assistant] The next closest game, adjusted games lost in 2021 was the Jets at 158. That is outrageous.


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[Assistant] It was worse than 49ers, you had 165 the year before with COVID in 2020. Like that, that sort of.


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[Assistant] Like, maybe not have, maybe haven't played for 17 games, Baker Mayfield now traded of course.


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[Assistant] The bingles, like, we think they have a good roster, we like the bingles, but they could absolutely take a step back.


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[Assistant] And, you know, the Steelers are trying to figure out life after Big Ben. I don't think anybody can guarantee that.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, the Ravens are an obvious team. I think the Dolphins are an obvious team too. That's five AFC teams. Wow. I don't know about the Dolphins. But they got a lot better this offseason.


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[Assistant] Like the Pats, Steelers, Titans, and Raiders all really profile as teams that would not be shocking at all if they did not make the playoffs.


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[Assistant] So maybe it's, maybe, maybe there'll be like total turnover of the AFC and then the NFC will be chalky again. That's not that crazy to suggest.


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[Assistant] Well I'm just saying like, alright, here are your possible candidates to make the playoffs who missed last year in the NFC. The Washington Commanders, now with Carson Wentz. The New York Giants. The Minnesota Vikings are actually like a decent option there to make a playoffs. The Bears, the Lions, I'm not picking either of them to make it. Maybe, I mean, you know.


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[Assistant] The Saints, they went nine and eight last year. That's not outrageous.


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[Assistant] It looks like the NRC is fairly chalky. I dunno.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and they've got, like, I don't know if that's entirely accurate, but they've got, uhm, they now have Marcus Barrett instead of, uhm, they were a five-win team last year by expected win-loss.


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[Assistant] Regression candidate, and they don't have a very good roster. Like, it would not be shocking at all if the Falcons went like 2 and 15.


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[Assistant] I think, I think we see a lot of chalk in the AFC. And I think the AFC could be Turtle Turner. Like, that sort of sometimes you don't, maybe, maybe that'll be the consensus thinking by the time we get closer to the season just because it's so obvious.


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[Assistant] But it's hard to really tell you, like, there's, like, the Bucks, the Packers, uhm, the Rams, the, and then,


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[Assistant] One of the Cowboys or Eagles just feel like stone cold.


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[Assistant] I mean, certainly the Cardinals are 49ers who win the division, but the Rams are, to me, substantially better than either of those teams. The Bucks are head and shoulders above everybody else. The Packers are too.


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[Assistant] And then there's a big gap between the Cowboys and Eagles and the Commanders and Giants for me.


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[Assistant] It's just going to be, it's just going to be like, who has a better schedule, who gets some of the breaks of like, maybe you're playing the Browns and you don't have to play the Sean Watson, you know, who gets, um, you know, like who, who gets maybe a


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[Assistant] That's pretty easy. Yeah, I mean, I think the, like, if I were ranking teams who I think are,


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[Assistant] More likely to make a leap forward into the playoffs. I think you could even get to six before you pick an intersea team. Although maybe you could argue the Saints or the Vikings ahead of the Dolphins and uhm, but like the Ravens, Colts.


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[Assistant] Ravens, Colts, Broncos and Chargers all to me have a much better chance of making the playoffs than anyone in the NFC who didn't make it last year.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah. Bucketers are so good too. Yeah, I mean, but clearly the shift in power, the shift in the way that the NFL is set up has taken a lot of the strength.


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[Assistant] To try to get into playoffs in the AFC, like the first team out.


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[Assistant] Yes, our, our, our possible step forward playoff teams. Maybe I'll write that article in census. Apparently it's not being written. Uhm, anything else from you?


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[Assistant] We talked a little Accenture field. Creaser. I'm never going to get this right.


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[Assistant] Uh, alright, that's it. That's the show. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. We'll back tomorrow. I think Breach and I are going to do it. Maybe, no, me and Sully are going to do, uh, team step back teams, right? The opposite of this. Make sure we touch on it a little bit. Uh, but we'll, we'll hit on a couple of those on tomorrow's show for Wilson. I am Brinson. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. We will see you guys later.


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[Assistant] Divers. The divers, even though they weren't really divers, they were engineers, but they knew the subterranean area of the complex. Right.


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[Assistant] When lights go out, they're able to kind of just grab pipes that they knew there were certain pipes that would lead them to.


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[Assistant] So it's like a little hand crank thing that you have probably seen in like an army, Navy surplus store. And we found the models that were used in the Soviet Union at that time and they have this wonderful noise. So we really tried to give you a sense of.


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[Assistant] That's my understanding. They completed their mission in the dark and once it was open, you know, then they were theoretically done with their job and can just head back out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's one of the cruelest things of this kind of severe acute radiation syndrome. The initial.


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[Assistant] Is taking a little bit of a while to manifest. When it begins to manifest, then things get very, very bad very, very quickly.


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[Assistant] Dyatlov had a son who died of leukemia around the age of 10. The details are a little skimpy, but we know at least that much. We also know that Dyatlov at the time was working at a naval station near Siberia.


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[Assistant] Helping construct nuclear submarines. So he was working on the, the nuclear generators inside of submarines and there was an accident. Right.


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[Assistant] Which he was cleared of wrongdoing, but he was involved and he received, by the way, in that accident, allegedly a near fatal dose of radiation and yet survived.


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[Assistant] His son, however, shortly thereafter apparently got leukemia and died.


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[Assistant] The question is, are these two things related? Right. So one possibility is that the clothing that Dyatlov was wearing that he took home, any kind of contamination therein may have actually led to his own son's death. This was a storyline that I intended to include, but as it turned out, it was,


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[Assistant] Too far afield of what ultimately we all felt was the immediacy of the story we were telling. Right. That to flashback in time or to have any kind of hallucinatory vision.


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[Assistant] Seemed a little bit more out of the world of a normal fictional television series and less in our world. We were so engrossed in the real that it just.


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[Assistant] That kind of threw us out of our rhythm, so we ended up removing it, but, um, Paul Ritter, who plays Yacht Love, did a wonderful job, and it's sort of a shame, so hopefully people will get to see those scenes some day.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it is, um, it's supposition. It's a bit of sort of armchair psychology going on there, which also I think.


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[Assistant] Left us a little uncomfortable, but one thing that was true about Diallo, at least as people described him, he was an incredibly unpleasant guy from all accounts. Very stubborn, very stubborn and also did have a certain.


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[Assistant] The way electricians sort of, you know, don't mind being shocked and, and sometimes we'll play around with things because they're used to it.


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[Assistant] He felt like he had taken the worst that radiation can give. It's, it's not that bad. It's overrated and he can, he's really in charge of the atom, not the other way around. There was something about that to him.


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[Assistant] Correct. They are, and the Soviet Union in general always wanted to be business as usual. That was their favorite thing to do no matter what was going on. And so they were business as usual in this as hard as they could. Gorbachev, in this episode,


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[Assistant] It seems, I think, uh, a bit taken aback by the suggestion that this is not going to end anytime soon. And I understand that to some extent that, that the people in charge of the government


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[Assistant] Through what they thought were remarkable resources. I mean.


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[Assistant] Thousands of helicopter sorties and boron and sand and lead and lives, counting lives.


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[Assistant] And so, great. Fix it. And it's not gonna be fixed for a long time.


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[Assistant] Well, for us, and Yohan I think certainly is included in this as well, our director, Yohan Renk.


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[Assistant] If you are going to limit yourself in many ways by issuing a lot of the usual dramatic tricks and sticking to the real as much as you can, then when there is an aspect of the real that is brutal and extreme, you need to show it too.


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[Assistant] It was important to me that people understood what was happening to these men because they suffered in terrible ways and these were not random people suffering. These were heroes. They were saving lives and in doing so.


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[Assistant] They put themselves in the line of fire. And this is a fire that doesn't kill you quickly. It kills you slowly and it kills you in an excruciating manner.


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[Assistant] So Daniel Parker, the head of our makeup department.


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[Assistant] He really did the primary research on what this does.


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[Assistant] And came up, I think he had at one point, like seven different stages. And of course, depending on who you were and how close you were and how long you were there, the stages were different. But then we also read through a lot of accounts. Um, Ludmila Ignatenko's account of what her husband looked like was very influential on what we did. And.


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[Assistant] We just felt that it was important to show it because it is horrifying. And the last thing that I want the show to do is to scare people about nuclear power. This is not a polemic about nuclear power. However, it's about respecting it.


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[Assistant] For what it can do, because what it can do is, is, is savage. And the love story that we're telling between Ludmilla and her husband, I think.


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[Assistant] And in this sense, this is another one of those areas where I agree with you. The, there is no why you can say, well, why did she do that? She was told not to do that.


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[Assistant] Well, because she loved him, but also...


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[Assistant] She's telling herself a story too, I think in that moment, which is it'll be okay.


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[Assistant] No, she did it. I mean, that's the thing. She did, she tells that story.


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[Assistant] The way she tells that story is what the doctor asked her was, do you have children?


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[Assistant] And she lied and said, yes, I have two. And she lied in that moment because she understood the implication of the question was, if you don't have children, this could prevent you from having children or God forbid, if you're pregnant right now, affect the baby. And so she lied so that the doctor would think, well, she's got two, so it's okay, go on ahead.


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[Assistant] I don't think she understood. I think that she felt that it would be okay. And the truth of the matter is I don't blame her at all because there wasn't a lot of awareness about what radiation was and how it could harm you.


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[Assistant] And also they let her do it. In a sense, she was sort of relying on the authority. If an authority says, listen, you're not really supposed to go in there, but you can, but for like 30 minutes, well, how bad could it be? And they're going in there. They're doing it all. And of course, a lot of those people did have to deal with the impact of that as well.


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[Assistant] The miners were what we think of as docile Soviet workers. Miners were tough. Um, we, we got some really interesting research. We had a wonderful researcher named Mimi Munson, which is a great name, Mimi Munson, and she found this really fascinating article about miners in the Soviet Union and how they occupied a certain kind of privileged position.


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[Assistant] The demand for energy was massive and most of the energy produced came from coal.


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[Assistant] So the coal miners had a certain leverage over the nation. And, uh, Mikhail Gorbachev himself said that the coal miners sort of scared him.


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[Assistant] So they were tough and they chose, uh, willingly to do this again, in part because of a general sense of honor and community. And when someone comes to you and says, listen, there's going to be a permanent disaster unless you do this.


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[Assistant] You do it. So miners from Tula, which is in Russia, miners from the Donbas, which is in Ukraine and other places came to Chernobyl.


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[Assistant] Now, what were they doing? Yes, so I'm curious. When we...


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[Assistant] Ended episode two. Right. We understood there was this risk of thermal explosion. Once that was eliminated, the understanding was that sooner or later this fuel was gonna melt down. So what's a, we talk about meltdown all the time. It just means


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[Assistant] Basically that the uranium fuel is getting so hot and reactive that it begins to melt the cladding around it.


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[Assistant] Burn through the concrete pad underneath the structure and if it did that it would enter the water table and it would be a disaster. A possibility. Right.


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[Assistant] So the miners were asked to dig this tunnel, get underneath that pad and excavate a room large enough to put in a heat exchanger, which is basically a fancy word for refrigeration unit that would use liquid nitrogen to cool the space above it and reduce the heat of the lava.


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[Assistant] All the liquid nitrogen in the Soviet Union. All of the liquid nitrogen in the Soviet Union. In fact, a little bit of a compression that we made was what happened to, uh, Brukhanov and Famine, the two guys that were running the plant. We sort of imply that they've been arrested very quickly. In fact, it took quite a while for them to be arrested, but they were sidelined.


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[Assistant] Uh, pretty quickly as people started to understand that they were probably going to be held responsible. But in these early days, it was Brukhanov actually, who was, uh, ordered to find all this liquid nitrogen or he would be shot. They literally told him, we'll shoot you if you don't find us the liquid nitrogen.


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[Assistant] So these miners dug this tunnel, but they were digging it under the impression that it was absolutely necessary.


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[Assistant] And one of the weird things and the kind of brutal things about science, particularly nuclear science, is it's based on probabilities.


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[Assistant] And so at the end of this episode, Legasov says, I've ordered these people to do this. I have effectively killed a large number of them and I'm doing it because there's a chance we might need it. And in fact, they didn't.


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[Assistant] Because it, it never melted through the concrete pad. So it never got to the groundwater. And that's, that's a really.


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[Assistant] It's just a chilling fact that I would put myself in Legasso's shoes there.


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[Assistant] And you start to realize the cruelty of the situation. You have no choice. The 50-50 chance that you're going to, you know, poison the black sea forever is not, it's not acceptable. Right. And so you now have to send 400 men and reportedly about one out of every four of them died.


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[Assistant] Yes, there were some varying accounts of how much clothing got taken off, but more than one said that they took it all off. And for the exact reason that we state in the show, it was brutally hot.


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[Assistant] You know, we're talking temperatures of, I think we say 50 degrees celsius, so Americans are going to be confused, but it's around 130 degrees and it was like a real oven in there and they couldn't use fans because it would stir up the dust. And in fact, in the old days, apparently it was somewhat customary.


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[Assistant] For miners to work in the nude because of the heat involved.


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[Assistant] And the truth is that it really didn't expose them that much more because the danger at that point was, I mean.


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[Assistant] If you're going to be near radiation, your clothing is barely gonna do anything.


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[Assistant] And the biggest danger to them was what was in the air, which, you know, you could try and minimize dust, but you can't eliminate it entirely.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was an incredibly stupid decision and it was in fact made by, uh, premier Rizhkov and no one can seem to understand why. Somewhere in a room far, far away from Chernobyl.


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[Assistant] This man decided that 30 kilometers would be a good amount of space to evacuate everyone from. So if you were in a 30 kilometer radius of Chernobyl, they would come and get you and take you away.


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[Assistant] And that made no sense whatsoever. Not only did it make no sense, not only did it have no basis in scientific fact,


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[Assistant] But it was effectively also condemning more people to at best shorten lifespans and disease.


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[Assistant] And here I was using this essentially to.


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[Assistant] You start to move Legasov's character a bit out of the realm of Soviet zealot. Because you start, I think, in these circumstances, you start to lose your religion. I think both he and Shermina start to lose their religion necessarily. It can't survive this. You can't keep...


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[Assistant] Believing in a system when you are living this nightmare that the system has created and the system keeps perpetuating it and making it worse. Right. Happily they did then.


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[Assistant] Yeah, essentially what they landed on after the random 30 kilometer guess was a huge chunk of Ukraine and I believe a bit of Belarus as well. And it is, that is the evacuation zone to this day. It is, um.


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[Assistant] I mean, you can go in and out, but it is very carefully controlled. I've done it. You hand over your passport to soldiers, you go through radiation checkpoints.


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[Assistant] Well, they, you know, for me, happily,


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[Assistant] HBO and Sky sort of arranged our arrival, but we went through a service that does provide a kind of guided.


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[Assistant] And they have pretty big guns and you hand over your passports. They have a list. They write everything down. Then they give you your document back and you must go through a series of radiation checkpoints.


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[Assistant] They checked you on your way in. Are you radioactive? Nope. Okay, good. Now you can go in. Then when you get closer, you go inside any of the larger facilities, check again on your way out. They check you with the understanding. If you ring a bell, you're not leaving. You're not leaving. No, they have to decontaminate. They're going to let you leave. So there is a certain sense of.


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[Assistant] You're barely seeing any of it and yet it is just extending to the horizon practically.


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[Assistant] I'm not a religious man, uh, but I suppose that's about as religious as I'll ever feel.


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[Assistant] Because I had spent so much time living in that space in multiple areas of those spaces for so long and with the people in my mind for so long that to walk where they walked felt so strange. And also.


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[Assistant] Being under that same piece of sky, you start to feel a little closer in a sense, um, to who they were. And I felt it probably the most when we were in the city of Chernobyl, which is, well, it's not really a city, it's a town of Chernobyl, which is different than Pripyat. It's actually further away, about 20 kilometers away from the power plant.


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[Assistant] And in the city of Chernobyl, there's a small building that's basically, it was the cultural center. That's where they would put on shows and, you know, songs about the Soviet Union and Lenin or whatever. And that is the room where they eventually held a trial that we will, we'll talk about in episode five.


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[Assistant] But in that moment, standing where Dyatlov and Fomin and Brukhanov stood, it was...


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[Assistant] It was very chilling, even in a weird way.


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[Assistant] It was more moving to me than moving through the actual power plant itself. Really? The one thing though that I did feel walking through the power plant, a little bit of a better sense


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[Assistant] Of how easy it would be to deny. Right. Because it's so big. You know, it's the weirdest thing. It's a little bit like if you, if you're in a skyscraper, just like this is so.


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[Assistant] That's the, I don't know how else to put it. You feel safe and in that sense.


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[Assistant] You can start to feel how people would say, okay, for sure, it's not like the reactor blew up. Right. This is some other smaller problem.


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[Assistant] Fairly close. I mean, it depends. If you're all geared up and you have a special dispensation, I think you can actually get pretty, pretty far inside. Although now that it's covered in their dismantling and it may not be the case anymore, but we got as far as control room three and a pump room for reactor three.


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[Assistant] We had a safety officer, I guess, with it that we brought with us as part of the production and he had a dosimeter running the whole time.


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[Assistant] And it would occasionally beep, but you know, I've learned now that radiation is everywhere and so I don't freak out if I hear a beep or two. When we got into the pump room for building three, which is now fairly close to.


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[Assistant] And then two and one. Yeah. So three's right up against it. And when we got into the pump room of three, uh, the beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep started going up and you know, our guide said, you know, we'll only be here for about, you know, a minute and then we'll leave. It's yeah, it's something else.


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[Assistant] Correct. I think that the KGB probably wasn't particularly concerned about


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[Assistant] Who are you gonna tell this to? Right. We don't mind necessarily if you know something, but if you're gonna talk about it, that's a problem.


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[Assistant] And there were a number of scientists, one in particular, uhm, one source, he was put on trial. And he was, he was put on trial and probably would have been convicted except at that point the Soviet Union collapsed.


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[Assistant] Uh, everywhere. Um, and again, you know, random people would, would sort of work hand in hand with the KGB. You know, the, the woman who's the manager of the apartment building would, would be in touch with the KGB. It was understood. Yes.


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[Assistant] I mean, that's sort of the, the language, the nonsense language. I'm so fascinated by the creepy Orwellian nature of repressive bureaucrats and the way they speak. The turns of phrases they come up with are just shocking to me and chilling.


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[Assistant] Probably because I love language. So to see it abused in that fashion is, so yeah, I just thought a circle of accountability sounded to me like the sort of thing a bureaucrat wishing to soft pedal the KGB would describe it as.


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[Assistant] That's correct. Yes. So you're exactly right. The, the body of the Soviet Union has absorbed this initial shock.


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[Assistant] It is now had a little bit of a latency period and here comes Legasov to explain, Oh no, no, no, no, no, no. In fact, what happens now is this long brutal war that's going to take place over hundreds of thousands of acres and involve hundreds of thousands of men and material and cost. And it must happen.


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[Assistant] And I think probably they thought, oh good, now finally we can just throw people at this thing. Right. There's a liquidator who described the entire effort. He said we were thrown upon the reactor, just like the sand.


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[Assistant] Yeah. That's essentially what the Soviet Union did. They just went with volume. Why are they called liquidators? Right. So liquidator was the all purpose term that the Soviets used for the people that were sent to the zone to clean it up.


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[Assistant] These were people that were sent to do construction work, to chop down trees, to dig up dirt, to use bulldozers, and in some cases to control the animal population.


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[Assistant] The word liquidator is a bit scarier than in the English language than it is in Russian. It comes essentially from the Russian word to eliminate. So they were there essentially as kind of disaster abatement positions, but they refer to themselves as liquidators and have always been so.


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[Assistant] By the way, interesting production fact, this portrayal of two people in a KGB prison was shot in a KGB prison. This is a former KGB prison. This is now a museum in Vilnius, Lithuania that is dedicated to the many victims of the KGB. So as we moved through it, we were aware that there were.


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[Assistant] You know, the ghosts of history around us, they showed us these rooms. So that cell, that's where they would put you. The doors were quite heavy. They were padded on the inside in case you attempted to.


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[Assistant] I dunno, smash your head against it. There were little slots for food and such, but then there were some...


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[Assistant] Some grimmer rooms. There was one in particular where the floor sloped down.


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[Assistant] And so it was lower than the entrance to the door. And the idea there was that you would go into that room and they would fill it with water up to your knees or so.


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[Assistant] So that you couldn't sleep. Right. You could sit or lie down because it's knees, water up to your knees. Correct. You could sit, but you couldn't sleep. If you fell down from exhaustion, you would drown. And so it was a kind of...


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[Assistant] Torture, I would have never even contemplated. It was just awful. And right in the middle of a city. Right. Not, not some far flung gulag thing, just right there in the middle of a city next to this building and that building is your KGB prison where people were tortured. And of course, then there was an execution room where they were put to death.


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[Assistant] What they were doing there at the time, but it is also referring in no small way to how this all happened in the first place. We don't quite yet understand that we will come to understand that. But this notion of what it means to be a scientist and what it means to pursue the truth.


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[Assistant] Where Komuk tells Legasov, listen, this is what they said. They said,


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[Assistant] That they did shut the reactor down, they pressed AZ5 and then it exploded. And you see on Legasov's face.


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[Assistant] A very strange reaction which Jared Harris performed to perfection. And it is a sense, we have at least, even if Comeyuk doesn't notice it, that


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[Assistant] This is not altogether shocking to him. Right. That it is stirring a memory of a thing. Right. And he is starting to suddenly realize something and it is making him feel a bit sick.


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[Assistant] And yet what he says to her after is pursue this at all costs, no matter who is to blame. Right. And so there is the scientist saying, regardless of how I feel and regardless of how this turns out, the truth must be told.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it is, it is a character moment and it is a point moment, I think in part because I root Legasov's character in this statement.


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[Assistant] That lies have a cost. As I was writing this I remembered suddenly feeling antsy.


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[Assistant] Early on in episode three, because there was this question in the back of my head.


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[Assistant] That needed to be answered, but, but we were so busy trying to not blow up, you know, half of Europe that we couldn't, we didn't have time to ask it. And the question was simply, how did this happen?


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[Assistant] And now we begin to delve deeply into that question.


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[Assistant] And for me, it is both character endpoint because Legasov is on the front line of this in a very big way. And we'll see how that functions for him, particularly the end of the next episode and into the final episode.


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[Assistant] The question of truth and truth seeking and truth telling is not as simple as it would seem, not for him and not for anyone in the Soviet Union.


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[Assistant] Because the story didn't work that way. And the reality of how this kind of unfolded is quite startling, but we know at least this much. The show has already put you on a clock.


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[Assistant] And the clock is, there is an explosion and two years later this man is dead. Right.


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[Assistant] So at this point here in the middle of the series, we are starting to see that fuse being lit. And we understand at this point, it is going to lead ultimately to his death. And in that sense, although I'm dramatizing these moments, especially with Komu who's not, was not, you know, an actual person.


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[Assistant] This is in fact what started to happen for Legasov. This is where the fuse was lit and we're going to carry through a very important event that we actually happens in between episode four and five that we don't see, but we refer to.


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[Assistant] Almost, you know, enjoying it. We never wanted to be gratuitous or sensationalist in any way. We just wanted to show it was real. In the case of Akeema, we felt like we had done it and to go further. I mean, Akeema, the description of Akeema when he died.


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[Assistant] His body was described as essentially blackened. His skin had gone all the way to like, uhm, almost like a charcoal color.


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[Assistant] To show that to people, I think at that point would have been gratuitous.


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[Assistant] And sometimes that's the strange nature of, of telling a story visually like this. Sometimes what you think you're being, I don't know, showing restraint, you're in a weird way, you're making it worse. But again, this was a terrible thing that happened to these men.


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[Assistant] Awful, uh, and two women, by the way, two women, um, two security guards at the plant were also exposed to massive amounts of radiation that night as well.


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[Assistant] And we kinda need to get that across. And listen, at the end of this episode, the story that we're telling about how the bodies were handled is true. Right. They were put in bags, they were put in crates, those crates were put in zinc lined boxes, they were welded shut, they were put in a collective grave, and then


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[Assistant] The concrete was poured on them. Where is that grave, by the way? It's called, this is, any Russian speaker's gonna be very upset with my mangling here. They gave up on me years ago. Don't worry about it. Mitoninsko, Mitoninsko Cemetery in Moscow. So it's just outside of Moscow. And that's where they are now. And, you know, just imagining a burial ceremony where a cement truck backs into place is just mind boggling.


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[Assistant] Yes, and there was a certain amount of discrimination that went on and at least initially people were terrified of, you know, the, the people who had been moved out of Pripyat and maybe put into other communities. There was a sense of fear and dread of those people for some.


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[Assistant] And also there was for a very long time, I think a sense that.


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[Assistant] Which is, I think, a reasonable assumption people would make. Whoever pressed the buttons in there obviously stank and blew it up and they did all this. And that's not entirely wrong.


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[Assistant] When this series is over, I hope that people understand that Akimov and Tatunov in most ways were really innocent and do not deserve blame for any of this.


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[Assistant] What's up everybody? Welcome to the Pix6 Podcast. CBS Sports daily NFL podcast. I'm Wilburnton. I'm your host. It's Thursday, June the 30th. If you're listening in audio or watching on YouTube. We are not live on YouTube if you are, happen to be, uh, hanging with us.


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[Assistant] Although maybe we are live on YouTube. I don't know, I don't know anymore. You know what? Anyway, whatever, who cares? We're gonna talk about some safety, some NFL safety. Joining me to do so, Tyler Sullivan aka Sully at Tyler Sully on Twitter. Something I should probably say at the beginning of the show and at the end. What's up buddy, how we doing?


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[Assistant] Is from, uh, from Boston. Oh yeaah. She was up there visiting her parents recently and I was like, you know, I do a podcast with my buddy Sally. He's from Boston too.


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[Assistant] Right? And uhm, yeaah, it's a nice theater. Because apparently Fred Armisen's dad lives in Durham, so he's down there a bunch. And uh, he was like, alright, who wants to, you know,


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[Assistant] Somebody yell out, like, uh, you know, uh, regions of the country or places in the world and I'll do the accent.


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[Assistant] For those that might think I'm making fun of Sully's Boston vocal tendencies, I'm not at all. I find it bad. Like, there's nothing that makes me smile. Like, you'll be talking about something serious, or even just like a football related thing. There'll be like a word where it's very clear, like a deep Boston inflection. It is really weird.


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[Assistant] Uhm, let me see if I got it in here. I think it's in my bag. So, I was, we, uhm, as people who watch or listen to the show know, uhm, this is not my usual backdrop. We've moved, I'm, uh, I'm...


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[Assistant] Nomadic for podcast purposes right now, but as I was cleaning out.


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[Assistant] I found my old 1980s. Is he into baseball or just football?


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[Assistant] Text him and ask him if the double, the 1987,


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[Assistant] This podcast never, ever, ever fails to deliver. I found, so I was like cleaning out my, um,


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[Assistant] 1987 tops, double error, very long. Basically there's two errors on the back of the card. The three and the zero in the num- in the numbering get- get- got cut off.


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[Assistant] And I was like Googling like, oh, like best 87, I had to have it in like a plastic sleeve apart from the rest of the set. Cause it's just rookie. And uhm, like the first, first thing I thought was like, could be worth up to $5,000. I was like, oh!


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[Assistant] Okay, see I think I might have that one too. I have a ton of cards in the 90s. Uhm, uh, Ty Joseph in the chat. So apparently we are live on YouTube.


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[Assistant] Hey, hey, the canes are limited. I'm no longer a baird wagon hockey trainer. I'm out of the canes. I like, I like Boston too. Uhm, I haven't been there in forever the last time. I think the last time I went up there. You know what's weird is so I've, I've uhm, uh, yes.


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[Assistant] My audio is perhaps a little muffled. I am not using my normal setup. As you can see, I've got AirPods in.


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[Assistant] I'll try and speak up or maybe raise my volume. At any rate, uh, I was going to say that it's been a while.


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[Assistant] Cause I've been to Boston. I've actually never been to a Red Sox game, but I have been to Fenway to see fish. Okay. All right. Cool.


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[Assistant] Pretty sacrilegious on my part as a sports writer and sports nut. I've been to Finway for fish, but never for the Boston Red Sox.


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[Assistant] Yeah, sorry Dom. Yes, Dom puts out he cannot see that I have AirPods in it. I do have AirPods in it for people who are wondering if the audio is a little different today. Anywho, uh, we have now Phil Bustard.


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[Assistant] Seven minutes worth of the podcast. We should probably get to the actual football discussion. I am.


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[Assistant] Uh, apparently looking more like Captain Hattick than normal who's Captain Hattick.


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[Assistant] Is he a burly ship captain or something? I don't know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's, it's beard season. It's uh, yeah. So uhm, also, as I mentioned, we were talking about safeties. Also in storage, my soundboard. So apologies in advance. We won't be able to play over and over again.


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[Assistant] Uh, from John Breach. We'll just have to fake it and pretend like I'm obvious. I'll try it. Yeah, like I'll try to do it and see if that works. Uh, he is on the list. He is not number 10 though. Uhm, let's talk. Okay, before we get to it, you and I referenced it before the show. Top 10 list. It's an offseason staple. Position by position. It's gonna happen. You can't stop it. You can only hope to avoid the landmines.


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[Assistant] Like you can know who are good safeties, but like a lot of safeties do a lot of different things, right?


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[Assistant] You just, I mean look, pull back the curtain a little bit. You're not getting a bunch of traffic on the Top Ten Safety's post in late June of the off season for the NFL site. Like it's just not gonna do it unless you just leave Minka Fitzpatrick off.


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[Assistant] And he, and then Cam Hayward starts chirping it. Was he, is he actually off the list?


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[Assistant] Minka, you might get chirped by Minka and uhm.


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[Assistant] Oh yea, 1010, that's Captain Haddock. Alright, my bad, sorry, I'm, look, I'm all over the place today, man. Uhm, literally, like, like physically, I'm, I'm every which way. Uhm, anywho, uhm,


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[Assistant] Anyway, that was what I was going to point out about the list. Feel free to point out anything you want about the list, your criteria, and maybe why Minka Fitzpatrick is up.


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[Assistant] Having to do the safety rankings, like top 10, because it's, it's people like to joke about, but it's really not a joke. I guess it's kind of true. I've been trying to change it this year, but like I don't write a whole lot anymore. Um, and like I've written the top 10 safety lists.


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[Assistant] Probably like 10 years or like probably like 10 times. And like, I get anxiety thinking about it.


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[Assistant] Right, like you're trying to relax, you're just trying to enjoy the sax, you know, like, like playing some ball.


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[Assistant] Uh, and, and instead you're being asked to like, do this.


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[Assistant] What I do, it's just a really difficult ranking because of what you point out, like safety, the safety position is extremely.


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[Assistant] Easy to do. Even like wide receivers kinda tough cause you're like, well, he's a slot guy, he's the entry number one, he's the entry number two, all that.


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[Assistant] Safety is just really, really hard because of... It's a diverse position.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and the other thing too is like a lot of that isn't just the player and what their skill set is. It's also like who's the defensive coordinator and what defense do they run? You know, you're going to get different stuff from different, different, different defensive coordinators and different defenses. So it's, it's tough to do. Um, Nick, if it's Patrick, you're probably number 11.


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[Assistant] So he was actually ranked 73rd according to Pro Football Focus.


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[Assistant] Uhm, his run defense checked out at a pretty high rate, but everything else down for him, uh, last year. And I think like, I mean, I, I think.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Jordan, uh, Micahai didn't make the list. Jordan Poirier checks in at number nine though. Adrian Amis at ten.


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[Assistant] Anything else you want to say about Poirier? Uhm, I mean, cause we, obviously we can jump to the...


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[Assistant] I think all those guys are really interesting from just like coupling them together.


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[Assistant] There's a couple of themes about these guys and then you can sort of touch on why you ranked him or you did, but you know, with, um, the honey badger, like he's, he's kind of the modern sorta, or he's like,


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[Assistant] He's sort of the godfather, if you will, of the modern, versatile safety.


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[Assistant] Issues with, uh, marijuana basically, that got him kicked out, like he had to leave LSU, and then he had to rehab his image at the combine.


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[Assistant] Uh, he fell in the draft, but like he was at one point in time he was considered the best player in college football.


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[Assistant] And it wasn't a stretch to suggest he could win the Heisman. Um, it didn't, it didn't work out exactly how we wanted to, but he has obviously got paid and sort of paved the path, I think, for all these modern.


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[Assistant] I would have taken him in the first round. I don't think he should have fell in the second round. And then Buddha Baker, who again, like the Honey Badger, very versatile, uhm, you know, sort of made up for


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[Assistant] I guess was it, uh, who was the first, was it Hassan Reddick was the first guy that the Cardinals took who was like that creative, can play all over the place.


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[Assistant] And then they took Baker, and people were like, ehh, I'll do it. Cause I guess they took Tyron, they took the Honey Badger first. This is all under Steve Conn's run there. They took the Honey Badger.


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[Assistant] Right, cause Arians loved Honey Badger and, and, and so kind of they took him and, but like Arizona just has this history, whether it's Honey Badger, Hassan Reddick, Buddha Baker,