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[Assistant] That they got there. I didn't, I gotta be honest, I never watched them in preseason games and saw anything that just made me think they really got one over on everybody.


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[Assistant] Now did he manage the game and in no way go with the football? And you know, yes, because it was well designed and everything. But I never looked at it and just went.


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[Assistant] This is an undeniable talent and he should have been a first round pick. I never, never thought that and didn't think that even after he went out to San Francisco and had that great, what was it, five game stretch.


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[Assistant] Alright, as you know, I'm doing an absurd amount of hockey. Alright, and usually I'm working with Mike Mulberry and night after night after night of working with Mike Mulberry, I want to go home and I want to see a dragon burn someone to death. And that's what this provides. It's a little outlet for me. Okay?


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[Assistant] You can set aside like two months of your life and just go back and watch it. I think you'll like it. Okay?


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[Assistant] We'll go with that. I think even Irish royalty probably had odors coming out of their feet. They definitely did. Let's go, let's start though. Let's start with Tiger Woods. Winning the Masters. Breaking this massive drought.


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[Assistant] Should we get back to Tiger Woods? Let's do it. Okay, because this was pretty incredible because you had so many people out there saying that this was never going to happen. I mean, you had people outright saying he should retire at this point. Right. It's time to move on, but obviously,


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[Assistant] Slowly but surely he was coming back. It leads up to this.


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[Assistant] All eyes are on that, and of course, the Penguins Islanders game, which I was broadcasting. I guess you weren't watching that one. No, I was not, sorry. Yeah, really, thanks a lot. Sorry, buddy, sorry. But, uh, it's one of these moments that, I mean, for you,


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[Assistant] I'm curious, as a sports fan, is this going to be one of those moments that you remember in sports history that's up there as a pinnacle sports moment? No doubt about it.


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[Assistant] No, I really did enjoy that, the celebration after, especially the moments with his family, and obviously the embrace with his son. I mean, it was, it was an emotional moment, but it was incredible because you're seeing obviously one of the all-time great athletes, one of the most famous people in the world who had this


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[Assistant] Spectacular fall from grace, so there's the comeback story in it. There is, is this ever gonna happen story. So you do get the elements of say like, the Red Sox winning the World Series and breaking a curse. The Cubs winning the World Series and breaking a curse. Uh, I'm curious though, I mean, as your


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[Assistant] You're a football guy. Yeah. Football guy. So how does this compare to a Super Bowl? And not just a Super Bowl, and not the Super Bowl where say the Giants come back and beat the Pats. Right. But in terms of your attention, your memory, how special the moment is, how does this compare?


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[Assistant] And either way it would be such a massive story. Because he'd be right there and obviously if it falls apart. And I think, I mean listen, I think a lot of people are there and they want to see the comeback and they want to see the win. I think you also have these viewers out there who are just like, you know what, if he falls apart right here, that's what I've tuned in for. I think I kind of want to see this as well.


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[Assistant] Listen, I think that's part of the aspect. I think deep down inside a lot of those players also know that this is good for the game. And they know that Tiger Woods winning this is in the end going to make them a lot of money because golf will only be a little bit more popular, a lot more popular, at least in the immediate and then a little bit more popular going forward.


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[Assistant] And because of that, more eyes will be on the sport, there'll be more money involved in the sport, and all those guys are gonna go a little bit richer.


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[Assistant] So you're saying it was slightly more special than when Leo Komarov scored for the Islanders to give them a 4-1 lead against the Thins. That's right. Yep. Sorry, Leo. It was a good goal. Of course, we have a huge monitor on the Masters. And everyone's paying attention. You can't. It really was. It was one of those sports moments.


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[Assistant] You see the big news NFL wise is, you know, we'll get to the draft, but before that it's what is going on with Russell Wilson.


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[Assistant] In Seattle, because the deadline is looming. Midnight is the deadline that he's put out there for the contract. We're hearing all different things, right? Tyrone Matthew, we're hearing rumors that, you know, not only is he running out of Seattle, uh, potentially big cities, New York, LA, those will be destination spots for him.


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[Assistant] How do you see this playing out? Because not only is there the deadline, it sounds like from what Peter King has reported that this isn't like, hey, if we don't reach the deadline, I'll play it out and then we'll re-examine this in the future. A deadline's a deadline. This either happens or it doesn't, and if it doesn't, then after this year I'm gone.


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[Assistant] Well you mentioned some of those players there, defensive players, and we've seen these bold moves where guys seem like cornerstone pieces of your franchise in the NFL and you're willing to part with them for the future because maybe you don't think you're going to win right now or maybe you think you're better suited or contractually. Cap wise, it'll be better for the entire team. Yep. And we saw this last year also obviously with Oakland.


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[Assistant] Make this monster move right before the season and they part ways with Khalil Mack and they look to the future.


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[Assistant] We don't see this with franchise quarterbacks in their prime. Almost never. This is very different in that regard. It's a huge gamble. A massive gamble. Because you can say, hey, we can get first round picks.


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[Assistant] That isn't so much savvy deal-making on the part of the Patriots.


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[Assistant] We're going to dive deeper into this when we get into some profits that are coming up, especially around the NFL draft because obviously he's a big topic now because the draft is looming and if you're going to trade, let's face it, you trade for picks, there's other things involved, but you're looking to the future and you're talking about quarterbacks and a rookie deal, well that means you probably got to draft a quarterback here.


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[Assistant] You're not making that trade unless you get a high pick because you want to get a quarterback that you think will be a franchise quarterback. Uh, you were gone for the weekend.


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[Assistant] In South Bend. Without me. Yea. Kinda weird. Yea, it was weird. I feel like cheating on me and going to South Bend. You shouldn't feel strange about it. But you're there. Spring game, Notre Dame. They come off this big season. A lot of turnover for this team. Uh, alright, take me through the adventures of Chris Sims in South Bend. Big takeaways from the spring game. I think Notre Dame's gonna be very good. Again, I think Notre Dame.


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[Assistant] So much like Kyler Murray. That's where the comparisons begin. I thought so. It is also where the comparisons end between you two. That's not the only picture though, of you on the air in South Bend.


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[Assistant] I don't know, people probably didn't catch this one. What are you about to do here? There's my little guy in the city for a snack before he goes and sees the show. My wife pops this picture. Right. Uhm. Where are we getting the snack at there? I think that's in probably...


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[Assistant] My son could care less and could not be bothered, even though my wife pointed it out that daddy's friend was on TV. Right. He turned around, looked and said, is daddy on? Nope. And that was it.


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[Assistant] Wanted nothing to do with you at all. Turned right around, wouldn't even pose for the picture. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. He knows what's going on. Yeah, right.


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[Assistant] Oh, not at all. Exactly, you're not buying him. I'm spoiling him. Pizza at Penn Station. Right, yeaah.


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[Assistant] I really do. Team that lost a lot. Lost a lot of players. Dexter Williams, Boykin, Coney, who we liked a lot. And obviously Jerry Tillery, a guy who could probably win the first round. Julian Love, right.


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[Assistant] Give me one breakout guy for Notre Dame this year, a guy that not only college football fans should look up, but potentially the NFL.


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[Assistant] By the way, our friend and colleague, Doug Floody, did one of the most amazing things, which is a few years ago, he ran the Boston Marathon on virtually no training.


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[Assistant] Basically, besides like a week before, I'm gonna run the Boston Marathon.


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[Assistant] Because Flutie is a guy that we lose during pre-game occasionally because he's on the field throwing the football around with the players. Yeah. Uh, he's, and then all of a sudden they're like, hey, you have, uh, your opening hit. And he's like all sweating.


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[Assistant] It's like, oh, we have to do that right now? Yeah. He's always looking for pick up basketball games, whatever it may be. But wait, when you run, when's the last time you ran a mile? A mile? Yeah. I run on a treadmill. I'm old. I'm in my forties. Yeah, forties. You are old. Oof. I had to run, I had to do a 10 mile run, uh,


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[Assistant] When I played soccer at Buffalo. Okay, soccer, I know. We did that every year.


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[Assistant] But even that seemed unnecessary. And I wasn't having it. So my freshman year I ran it and I kind of got through it and mucked my way through it to the end and you know, listen, no one was getting it. That's the other thing. No one was getting a starting spot.


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[Assistant] But you had to run all over campus and I just basically found a bench halfway through, sat, timed myself, and then ran back. And I probably only put about two miles in.


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[Assistant] Well, I can tell you that I did not play soccer my junior or senior seasons. That was it. And the feeling was very mutual. Oh my gosh, 10 miles. I couldn't, I could never do it. No. So I did it once. Good. Alright. Good luck to everybody.


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[Assistant] Yes, good luck to them. That was really, really inspirational. Yeaah, good luck, good luck. Alright, should we, uh, should we pop into the NFL draft? Yeaah, sure. 10 days. Yeaah. The countdown's on. You're not gonna sleep for 10 days just watching film?


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[Assistant] Well, all the prop bets we have are third round and later prop bets. Oh, thank you. Great. First two, easy. That's all we need. Let's go. Let's start right at the top. Let's get back to the conversation we were having. Okay. Let's see, in the build up to the draft, or on draft day, days at this point,


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[Assistant] Russell Wilson. Mmhm. Traded. Yes or no?


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[Assistant] It's interesting, and I get that, with an aging quarterback, but it's also a team that can win right now. Yes it could. Right? Yes it could. And a team that loves their quarterback. Certainly. So, I wonder about that. Uh, personally, I don't think it happens. Nope. Uh, for the reasons I gave before, which is that we see that with other, uh,


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[Assistant] You don't see this in their prime franchise quarterbacks. I think people think it's just too risky to give up on these guys. I don't know. I don't think he gets traded. I want him to get traded in many ways because I want to see the chaos. I also want him to get traded to the Giants because I want to see how much the Giants


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[Assistant] Let's go on, uh, next one, quarterback related, right at the top.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Does Kyler Murray go first in the NFL draft? Because listen, the more mock drafts you see and the more information that comes in and the more smoke screens that go out from different teams, uh, suddenly we start to see maybe Josh Rosen will be their guy. Maybe they'll go defense. Maybe they'll want to win right now. Yeah. Kyler Murray going number one overall. I think so.


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[Assistant] I don't see how it makes sense otherwise. You already took the gamble on the coach.


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[Assistant] I asked you a few weeks ago, you'd rather have Rosen than either one of those guys?


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[Assistant] To me, if it starts with the coach, you're complimenting the coach. Exactly. And then you gotta wonder, has he peaked?


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[Assistant] Yeah. As his coach got the most out of him. Exactly right. Does he get to bring the coach with him to the NFL? If he doesn't, then it doesn't really make much of a difference. Right. So you think though, either way, you're going to see four in the first round? I do. You think four is the cat, bro?


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[Assistant] Okay, so you think that's going over. How about this? Defensive players over under 16 and a half in the first round. Let me give you some context. Alright, last year, uh,


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[Assistant] I believe it was 16 defensive players taken in the first round, 20 the year before. Oof. This is a big, it's a huge defensive line draft.


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[Assistant] I think it's going over, I'm not sure I believe in the wide receivers as much as you do. I don't know about the running back situation.


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[Assistant] Yeah, exactly, if that team in that moment feels that this is the best, easily the best player that we can get. I don't know, it just seems like it is a monster defensive dread. I mean, on Clemson you get three guys from one position group going in the first round. You're right about that.


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[Assistant] It could be tight. We'll see. So that's defensive players. Let's go to one of the top defensive players because it's another guy who seemed like a lock.


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[Assistant] Top couple picks. Yeaah. Maybe the top pick and then Kyler Murray happened. Right. So Nick Boseff. Yeaah. Yes or no top two pick? I'm going yes.


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[Assistant] In terms of uh, rush ends, getting the quarterback. Is he that good? Is he generational talent good? Is he that good?


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[Assistant] The technical, yes. He's got to be in the draft room watching film to know that one. Alright, well that leads us right to the next one because it's on Quinn and Williams. Okay. I mean, and I guess if it was your choice, you would easy have him top three. Yes. Do you think he goes top three? Is that the question? Yes, no. Top three, Quinn and Williams. Oof. Gosh, that's a really good question.


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[Assistant] Big if, but it's basically you think the way it goes right now, Jett stay in that position, he doesn't go. I don't think so.


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[Assistant] Let's get back to something we were talking about. Well, it relates to Quentin Williams. It relates to the running back conversation, which is Alabama.


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[Assistant] Without any research at all, they're like, I'll take that over. I know. And I'll take it every year. I know. Cause it seems like someone, somewhere down the line is gonna say, let's get a kid out of, let's get another kid out of Alabama. Do you think this happens? Do you think they get three over under two and a half? Right. So that means basically the running back's gotta go first round.


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[Assistant] Last year, Alabama had four first-rounders. 2017, they had four first-rounders and the second pick in the second round. Yeah, I mean, just loaded teams. And let's face it, if you're on the fence and you're thinking, oh, you know what, I'm not sure, but I like this kid, I don't love this kid, you're in the late 20s, you're in the early 30s of the draft.


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[Assistant] But you're going the under, yeaah. Alright, interesting. So, well, let's get back to another one, because what I have here is...


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[Assistant] We were just talking about the Baltimore Ravens. Yeah. Potential laying spot for DK MedCat.


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[Assistant] Okay, so DK Metcalf, as you look at it.


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[Assistant] Top 17 pick is the prop bet, which obviously they went and dug and felt that this was the landing point where it could be make or break for him. Yes or no? First off, do you think he's the first receiver?


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[Assistant] And now, let's say that happens. Right. Right now, obviously it's a lot of ifs here, but let's say they go out, they get their quarterback, Dave Josh Rosen. Right. Wouldn't you, wouldn't you want a cornerstone, wouldn't you want a receiver that you think could step right in? Yes. Young quarterback, young receiver. Yes. But you, and you think he's the first one.


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[Assistant] Alright, and to finish up, it goes right, uh, on the same train of thought with your wide receivers. Over under two and a half first round, it sounds like you're very much leaning. Well, it sounds like if you were picking, you'd have at least three in the first round.


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[Assistant] Two and a half, two and a half. So do you get, if you're taking me over, do you think three wide receivers will go in the first round? Now right away, what you're saying is, I mean,


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[Assistant] I mean if you were unsure about the over under at 17. I know. Now you're talking about it right? Eliminate the first 16 picks. So now you need 3 receivers from 17 to the end of the first round. I'm gonna say yes. Okay.


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[Assistant] Well, it's gonna be tight also because it feels like there's potential for maybe some receivers to go high in the second round. Because they're talented enough. It's like, oh, you're right there at the border. And then it'll burn twice as bad because you'll continue to watch the draft.


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[Assistant] Well that could be the difference, yea. Like if you're tinkering late in the round, all of a sudden maybe you're going away from it. Right. Alright, so over under, uh,


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[Assistant] The amount of times the rest of your life you run more than a mile.


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[Assistant] Unbelievable. I think, I think that's the perfect way to end this. That is it, right there. Yeaah. So we, we'll go and watch that. Yeaah. How high and half big, double feature. Bam. We're not, we're not running. We gotta leave for the weekend. Uh, well you're busy man, you work six days a week. Shut up, okay. You work so hard. Shut up.


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[Assistant] It does, but the fact that it's Jay Glazer in one of his Q&A columns for The Athletic, putting this out there, that tells me that there is some realness to it.


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[Assistant] I don't know whether it's their concern that Tyreek Hill isn't going to be able to stay on the straight and narrow, he had that horrible history of assaulting his then pregnant girlfriend back in 2014 when he was in college, fell to the fifth round of the draft because of it, or whether they just look at what he wants.


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[Assistant] When you look at what some of these receivers are making and Chris and I are big fans of what Tyree Kill can do, I think he's the most dangerous non-quarterback in the NFL. Yea, right. He may want 20 million a year. Right. And they may look at 20 million a year for Tyree Kill.


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[Assistant] 30 million plus a year for Patrick Mahomes, we just can't do it. We're gonna trust that Mahomes will be Mahomes even without Tyree Kill. And if we can get a huge haul in return for him, then let's do it. And look, they traded Marcus Peters last year, and that surprised everybody.


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[Assistant] So I think Andy Reid has a keen sense of when the time has come to move on from someone, and it sounds like he was reaching that point.


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[Assistant] Right. And look at what happened with Kareem Hunt. If you remember how it unfolded, Chris, the reason the Chiefs cut him is they had asked him what happened. I didn't even leave my room. And then the video comes out proving that he lied to them and that's why they cut him. The Chiefs, I would assume at some point in the past few days, have spoken to Tyree Kill.


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[Assistant] And locked in his story. What happened, tell us now. And if he said he didn't do anything, comes out later, he did do something, that's all the more reason for them to say, see you later. But then they don't have the asset, and they don't get anything in return for them. And somebody else, after a suspension, or before, is the Browns-Divitt-Kareem Hunt.


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[Assistant] If he did this, if he's responsible for a broken arm inflicted deliberately on his child, I think he should be banished under the personal conduct policy. That would put him out of football for a full year and then he could apply for reinstatement. But given his history, you throw this on top of it and I don't know how you can just say 8 games, 10 games, 12 games. You have to banish him and then force him to prove his way back in.


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[Assistant] If they knew a week and a half ago what they know now, unload Tyree Kill and trade for OBJ. Oh my god.


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[Assistant] Did something happen last Thursday? So if they had been exploring a trade and had managed to work it out and turned around and picked up Antonio Brown or OBJ, that would have been a great move, especially with this that comes out afterward. And then the new team would be, would be stuck with a potential problem.


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[Assistant] Or, or also to convince somebody to go even higher than them, take Haskins and push down the board, whoever they want to be there. Either way, either way, somebody takes Haskins or trades to us so we can take.


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[Assistant] And I'm in my position is that Derek Carr is gonna be the guy that screws everything up with Antonio Brown. He's gonna take the fall and he'll be gone by now.


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[Assistant] Real defensive back. Real game plans. All due respect to the Big 12 defenses, but we know they're not very good. No, they're not. I just hope that Wilgrior doesn't go number 42. That's the kiss of death. Oliver Luck went number 42. His career went nowhere. Pat White went number 42.


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[Assistant] The thing about the Patriots though, I'm looking at the sheet number 32. That's a, that's a great spot on mid to draft a quarterback because it's the last pick in round one and you get him for five years. And either they take a quarterback in that spot or they trade out to somebody who wants a quarterback in that spot. It is a great spot. Just like the Ravens did last year. The Vikings did it with Teddy Bridgewater. That's the place to trade into to get a quarterback.


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[Assistant] I gotta, I gotta pay the PFTPM bills. We have a very, very high budget for PFTPM, so we have to from time to time take a pause. Okay. And I have to read this.


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[Assistant] And as a cigar pro, although I'm more of a cigar amateur, although mine are filled with tobacco, here's my cigar advice.


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[Assistant] If you're gonna have cigars in your house, you gotta have a humidor, and you gotta have a good humidor, and ideally you gotta have a humidor that is electronically controlled because otherwise, if you have cigars in there for any period of time, you're gonna pull one out, you're gonna bite on the end, and the wrapper's gonna come completely off, and it's gonna be a big mess, and you're wasting your money, especially if you're buying


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[Assistant] Of a quarterback's mechanics after he's finished college, played in high school, played his whole life. How much can you really fix? How much of it can you change?


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[Assistant] Because I remember when Tim Tebow was trying to change his throwing motion, it all goes back to muscle memory when you're out in the middle of it. How much can you really, what percentage, what thing, give me one specific thing that you think can change with repetition, with teaching, once a guy's got his habits baked in.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't know that I want to subject my podcast audience to you without me here to like make sure that you're properly restricted and limited in what you say. You're not going to restrict me anyway, so. Well, I know, but at least I can try to clean up the mess after the fact. Okay.


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[Assistant] There was something about, I was 10, 11 years old, there was something about, and I remember they were on the Paul Lind Halloween special, and you can still find it on YouTube. Paul Lind was like this whiny comedian back in the 70s, he'd be on game shows.


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[Assistant] And he had a Halloween special and they had Kiss on there and they did three songs and it was the makeup, it was the fire, it was just everything about it. It was so much more polished and theatrical than just like a guy in a ratty t-shirt with a scraggly beard, had a cigarette hanging out of his mouth. And it just resonated. When you're 10, 11 years old, there was just something about it. It's like, wow, I want to see more of this.


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[Assistant] And I, I got one of their albums, and you know, listened to it non-stop, and then saw they were coming to Pittsburgh, and this was 1979.


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[Assistant] Went to one of their shows and it's like, this is just amazing, this is awesome. And that was a time when you couldn't get any of this stuff on TV. You couldn't buy videotapes and CDs and download stuff.


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[Assistant] The entire set that they're doing, See the Shining Sea, so it's not as special as it was, but I just feel like I need to go one more time. They can barely move now. Paul Stanley, the lead singer, like, his voice is shot and they think he's lip syncing, so. What will you do? Like, what will I do?


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[Assistant] After the show, my sister took me and two of my friends to go see it. We're 14, 15 years old.


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[Assistant] And they always at the end of the show they come out with like towels because they wipe off their sweat and they throw them out in the crowd. And we're driving by and there's a kid and he's holding up this towel.


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[Assistant] And he's like, ace freely touched this towel, ace freely touched this towel. One of my buddies took off his t-shirt and he hung out the window of the Volkswagen Beetle. Gene Simmons wiped his ass with this shirt and he shouted over and over again. They were 14 and my sister didn't know what to say. It was great.


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[Assistant] Green crap everywhere. Yeah, I can tell you where it's nice at. Yeah, right. By how horrible and miserable I feel. Definitely, definitely. But usually this is the sweet spot, cause you know, I mean, I went to school in Buffalo. This is the sweet spot. This is that time of year where it's actually nice, because then it gets to summer, and it'll be unbearably humid. Right. And then you get to, it's back to hell again, and the cold and whatever it is.


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[Assistant] I am, and we'll talk about it in a little bit. I usually have quick memorial days because Stanley Cup Finals is coming up. So this is it. This is what you work for. I'm pumped up about it. We've got Boston, we've got St. Louis.


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[Assistant] I'll be in a good place because I'll be up in Boston for Memorial Day. Which, you know, is gonna be electric because they haven't won a title in like five minutes.


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[Assistant] I had a few of those, uh, one was, this was years ago, uh, when I was, before I was in, uh, broadcasting, I was a writer and, uh, I did some work for ESPN Magazine, should tell you how long ago it was, uh, and at the time I worked there, uh, it was a robust, like, phone book type magazine, so they allowed people like me who,


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[Assistant] You know, basically had no credentials to go in and do little things here and there. And I went to at that time what was Shea Stadium.


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[Assistant] And I talked to Greg Maddux, who I loved. The man. Especially like during the steroids era because this was a guy who clearly was not on steroids and he was making everyone look foolish. And I had to go in there and I had to get some quotes from him.


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[Assistant] And I go into the locker room and there's Greg Maddux in Tidy Whities, uh, speaking of the start of the show.


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[Assistant] I loved him as a pitcher. He was one of those guys where if he was pitching, didn't make a difference who he was pitching against. If I could find it and I could watch it, I would sit there and watch one of his games. Because usually they were also over in about two hours.


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[Assistant] It's awesome. Alright, what else? We got anything else here at the start? Yeaah. Alright, we gotta promote, right? Because for those people who are at home who cannot get enough of you,


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[Assistant] For whatever reason that might be. What are they doing? You can, uh, catch him on Mike Florio's, what are you on, the PFTPM podcast. Each and every day you're going to be talking about the Jets drama, which is certainly ongoing. You're going to be talking about marijuana policy in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Uh, and you can find that wherever you found this podcast or any other podcast.


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[Assistant] We've been to Super Bowls, and I had a catch with Doug Flutie on the sideline of the Super Bowl when we were doing some rehearsals. But we're in our suits. This is like, we're getting ready for the Super Bowl pregame. Uh, so this wasn't the last Super Bowl, this was the previous one, I'm trying to think. It was Eagles Patriots. We're in Arizona. Oh, it was that one, you're trying to see Seahawks Patriots. Yeah, exactly.


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[Assistant] Fumbling to catch these balls from Flutie because he doesn't care. No. No, he's fully, he's reverted fully back to Doug's playing days. Exactly. And he's just gunning the ball from like 10 feet away directly at me. And if I miss, it's probably gonna hit me in the face. Which also would be a good story. Hit you in the forehead. I didn't see on the pregame show. You told me you'd be on it.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's get into it. Alright. Ask me anything. Ask me anything. You put it out yesterday. Lots of people responded. Cool. Uh, and... These are like some of my favorite podcasts to do. And the cool thing is they, you know, you were in Buffalo, so you immediately get some Buffalo questions. Yeah, okay, cool. So let's start with this one. BuffaloGuy83.


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[Assistant] Did you stop for any of those authentic chicken wings while you're buffalo? I feel like if I know you, the answer to this is no.


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[Assistant] Have I had wings? Yeah, I went to Buffalo. I had plenty of wings. I got to the point where I stopped having wings. Because it happened so much.


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[Assistant] I gotta tell you, you've led a charmed existence. And I say that with all due respect. People in Buffalo know I love Buffalo, but the fact that you miss them, especially the later you get in the season. I know, I would like to experience it.


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[Assistant] I don't know if you would have liked to have played in Buffalo in December. Gotten hit in that cold. It is miserable. Yes. Alright, but you met with Josh Howe.


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[Assistant] Okay, so we have a question here from MJ. Thinking of Josh Allen, how does a QB improve his accuracy? I think this is a good question because change of mechanics, how difficult is it?


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[Assistant] Because we hear this all the time. The knock on this prospect is accuracy. Well guess what? That's something that you potentially can't fix or is very difficult to fix. Can you fix it? How do you fix it?


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[Assistant] I'm curious because you mentioned the arm strength. Yea. Alright, so let's say we made this fictional contest happen between him and Pat Mahomes. Right. Who would you take?


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[Assistant] That's a good, I mean, dead last- And don't bring in backups at this point, but just, you know, think of guys you would think of as starting quarterbacks. Who do you think would be last?


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[Assistant] No, I mean, I would have loved Rivers, I think, mainly because just the way he throws the football. And I would also assume at this point, once you hit a certain age, you're not throwing any further. It's only getting worse year in, year out. It doesn't mean that it has to drop way down, but it's just not going to be the case.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. And I bet Brady would sit there and say, what's the difference? Yeaah, you're right. It doesn't matter.


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[Assistant] It's not going to alter how many championships I win. Alright, so we just had Brady, let's go to Matt in Beantown. Where is the best landing spot for Gerald McCoy? Because this was the news really of this week.


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[Assistant] So, if it's purely championship, you'd say Pats, if you were picking, if you were McCoy. But after that, let's say money's equal, would you go to the Colts over the Browns if you were Gerald McCoy?


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[Assistant] It just seemed odd. I didn't think they were gonna go the Sioux route at all. I did not. I did not see that coming. Alright, Greg Jackson wants to know, ah, this is a good one. I do think so.


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[Assistant] Well, especially if you look at the numbers now, and how much the game has changed, or, and, likely so, because the amount of carries and touches that Ricky Williams got, it's, I mean, it's disturbing, I guess would be the best way to put it, especially when you look at today's game. Uh, I mean, he got abused. He got abused.


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[Assistant] So, uh, being told there, if you add 4,000 yards to Ricky Williams... Yea, where's he at? Sixth of all time.


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[Assistant] Yeah, behind Eric Deggerson. I think so. Alright, so let's stay with this, because obviously other big news, NFL reassessing pain management policies that they will look into marijuana. And it seems logical, obviously, at this point. I mean, I think it's also something that's going to take


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[Assistant] There are easy basic steps that can be taken here.


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[Assistant] It's interesting too, I mean, I think, unfortunately, you probably have to, right? You can't have a policy that essentially goes against the state law. That being said, like, then you get into a situation where


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[Assistant] If a player is signing with certain teams, I mean, this is the old thing in pro sports where it's like sign with a team in Florida, no state taxes. Yes. Right? You're essentially getting paid more money to go play there than you would somewhere else. And it's going, if that's the direction it goes, and I could see it going that direction, then yea, you're going to have a significant advantage in recruiting free agents.


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[Assistant] You know, you know you're paying for it. Exactly right. You know you're paying for it. And I thought Chris Long had some interesting comments, right? Just the idea that like,


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[Assistant] Uh, about that, if you're going out and you're drinking and you're partying, uh, it's gonna take its toll. It's also something where, like, you're, certainly you would seem far more likely to get yourself into some sort of trouble. So from an organizational standpoint, and we talked about this also with, uh, you know,


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[Assistant] Now video games being everywhere and guys playing certain video games and you can monitor online. It's kind of good for an organization to know like, hey, my guy's at home. Like he's just staring at the screen and he's playing a video game. He's not out tearing it up at this point.


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[Assistant] Well it makes sense, especially with the idea, and Chris Long talked about, you know, you know when the testing starts. Right. Which is ridiculous by the way, that starts on 420. Uhm, but you know when the testing's coming, as long as you are fairly intelligent about the situation, you should not be getting caught. Yes. No, I know.


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[Assistant] You should be the top of that list. You should be the weed czar. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. I certainly can add some knowledge. I think you should pee on that. Alright. Pee does, uh, a different.


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[Assistant] What do you think of the NFL banning the Oklahoma drill from practices?


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[Assistant] And how big or important of a drill was that when you were playing?


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[Assistant] Alright, we move on. Chris would like to know, what do you make of Derek Carr saying that he and the Raiders brass are quote on the same page unquote? Did you ever feel like you were on the same page with John Gruden? Can anyone really be on exactly the same page with John Gruden?


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[Assistant] Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's pure talking point. I'm going up there and I don't want to be asked about this again.


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[Assistant] He may not know it all, and that's fine, and I believe that. I mean, I certainly don't believe that he's privy to every single conversation because why would they put him in that situation?


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[Assistant] They just aren't working together, there's a level of trust, but...


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[Assistant] He has to be comfortable, right? He has to be comfortable at some point if he's going to succeed. Is he going to be comfortable with Gruden?


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[Assistant] All right, so we move on and talk more a little more about coaches here, because this is a good one, because Juwan Howard, pretty cool news, he goes back, he's gonna coach Michigan, his old team, he's the head coach there now.


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[Assistant] And we know, uh, Penny Hardways of Memphis, Patrick Ewing, Georgetown. Yeah, right. So, which former NFL players should go back, do you think?


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[Assistant] I didn't see a guy with head coaching experience. I knew there were other guys out there, certainly the Hurleys were names that came up. I didn't love it. I also think there's something to be said, and we were talking about this earlier, about if you are a first time head coach and you don't need the money at all.


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[Assistant] You really don't need the aggravation. Definitely. So, it is a massive life commitment. It is. To be a head coach, and especially a different commitment in college. Yeaah, it's a whole other level. So, it would be nice to say like, hey Peyton Manning should go back and coach Tennessee. Right, but I don't know if that's his first name I thought of. The only thing is, he's ultra competitive.


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[Assistant] Yes. So I think you do have that. Right. Where I don't think he goes and, like, I


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[Assistant] I think he likes people telling him that you're not going to be able to get


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[Assistant] I think it would be highly entertaining. The camera should roll the entire time. I would also say, I don't know, like,


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[Assistant] And then there are, like, there are certainly lesser ones. I mean, I think I can see, like, Chad Pennington. Okay, going to Marshall. Yeah, and then all of a sudden, but the problem is, Chad Pennington got Marshall. Relevant. He'd be somewhere else. So there's certainly, like, those guys, guys who maybe came up from, like, mid-major-type programs.


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[Assistant] Hall of Fame caliber athletes who actually could become great head coaches because you look at all sports, it almost


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[Assistant] Never happens. You're right. Almost never happens. I think a big part of it is there is a fundamental lack of understanding of how someone can't get something done. Yes. This came naturally to me or I took a thousand free throws after every practice.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I feel like, yeah, Michigan's got two, and I feel like, uh, what's happening with Ewing at Georgetown seems to be


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[Assistant] My question made it in here. Wow. Juju Smith Schuster. Yes. Alright, so in the news this week. Right. Alright, what he told the media, he's like, you can ask me anything. I'm not going to be a once a week guy. I'm not going to be an asshole. You can come talk to me whenever you want. But a big part of this is he's now the number one receiver. Right. He is the guy in Pittsburgh. So you look around the league.


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[Assistant] Who is someone that this year can become the guy at their position, can become a number one guy that had been playing a supporting role? Okay.


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[Assistant] Some of those are situational too, right? Where you would want a guy to step up. I do wonder, like, if you are a team that's gonna be a very good team, can you have some of those guys as your number one? And I do wonder about Devante in that situation. I see him, like, if you were building a very good team and he was your number two.


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[Assistant] And you'd be, you'd be looking pretty good. Yeaah. Right, right. Yeah, but can he make that jump to go to the number one guy? And so much of this, listen, obviously so much of it's talent, but a big part of this has got to be mental, right? You have to believe that you're that guy. Yes, you do. And I feel like Juju


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[Assistant] Alright, we move on because, oh you know what, I ran into you the other day when I was coming in, you were leaving this place, I was coming in to do some playoff hockey, and I was surprised frankly that you were still here.


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[Assistant] I'm here all the time. I am getting out of the office earlier now, like post draft life is a little easier. Alright, well I was impressed. You put some hours in. Thanks a lot. So Justin wants to know how many hours a day did you spend at the team facility as the Bucs starting QB? This is during the season. Oh gosh, I mean, you know.


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[Assistant] Like, traditionally, if it's a position.


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[Assistant] Well, it really is the beauty of running a 4-3. Isn't it? Right. Yeah, you're not quite as nervous about your situation. Lendell White was the worst. Really? Oh, Lendell was a beauty. Was a beauty. It was at least three times a week. And Lendell was not running a 4-3. No, he was not. He had another, he had an excuse.


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[Assistant] We have one here from Ashley Lewis. What level are you expecting Jimmy G to be at when he returns this season? Struggled at a little, little at the start of last season. There were rumblings prior to the season that he looked off in training camp. Loved the podcast. I don't know why I'm reading this part. I don't know why I'm reading this part. You don't have to put these down.


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[Assistant] Alright, we're gonna move on. Oscar Nunez Music wants to know, and this is interesting because we talked about this before, we were talking about, uh, if you were Gerald McCoy, would you go to the Colts or would you go to the Browns if it came down to that decision? Let's see, but money was basically even.


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[Assistant] Well, also could Freddie kitchens be one and done if the Browns don't match expectations this year. Now match expectations is one thing because obviously if you're abysmal, there's always a chance. I would think. Right. Give me expectations. That's the real question.


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[Assistant] How bad does it have to be for him not to make it? And let's forget about off the field stuff. Okay, let's just say in terms of wins and losses, how bad does it have to be for him not to be back next year?


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[Assistant] There's tons of factors, there's injuries, and it also depends how that record plays out. Right. Because if you get off to a nice start, and you just implode at the end.


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[Assistant] Alright, it's time to look ahead. Weekend plans. Yeaah. Alright, big weekend coming up. Indy 500 Sunday, 11am Eastern on NBC.


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[Assistant] I think we got some video. Mike Torrico is getting picked up at the airport. Bobby Bigtime. Mario Andretti. Just another day in the life. You and I, you and I, Hello Cab. Yep, please get us home.


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[Assistant] We gotta pick this up here, because this is one of the traditions, and you have much longer arms than I do, and I'm gonna take this whole test out. Go ahead, take a swig. Yea, go ahead, open it up. Pour it out. I'll drink it. I don't care, I can drink it. Go right ahead.


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[Assistant] Yeah, ex-haha. Well done! He's a magic man. When's the last time you had milk, seriously? Oh, uh, a long time ago. I buy a ton of it because I get three little kids and they're just drinking it like non-stop, but am I just drinking milk?


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[Assistant] No. No. No, I didn't even like it as a kid. No? You didn't like it as a kid? There's a good start to this segment right here. Yeah. Uhm, but this is the tradition, right? I think it started in the 1930s. There was a driver who was drinking buttermilk during the race. Right. To hydrate. Right. And then drank it at the very end of the race. Some images of that. And now we got a tradition where you celebrate with milk.


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[Assistant] I've been to the Indy 500. Yeah. And I was there on an extraordinarily hot day. Right. Like, nasty hot. And you have the engines and the blacktop. And it is unbelievably hot down there. And the last thing on my mind is drinking milk. Not to mention, you celebrate by dumping that milk.


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[Assistant] Milk smells. That's a smell that lingers all over you. I can see like the sip of the milk, but the splashing of the milk. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Well, I think they've asked all the drivers what particular milk that they want. What they want? Yeah, just to make sure they don't want to like throw this out there. A couple guys had 2% and one had fat free. Oh. Yeah.


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[Assistant] It's an enormous one, but there's obviously another event that's starting this weekend on Memorial Day on Monday. I'll be leaving there.


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[Assistant] Leaving this weekend to head up to Boston. Okay. Gave one. Stanley Cup final. We've got the Bruins. We've got the Blues. You know the picture of Bobby Orr diving through the air for the celebration. Yea, of course. I've seen it. That was 1970. Right. That was Bruins. Yea. Against the Blues. Oh, I didn't know that was the Blues. They swept the Blues. Gotcha. It was the last time the Blues made the Stanley Cup final.


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[Assistant] Listen, and it's a weird situation. They were an expansion team. They went to three straight Stanley Cup files to start their franchise because they made basically an expansion division. Right. So which is why they also got swept.


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[Assistant] Been next to him, he's one of these guys where if you don't know who he is, you think I got us.


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[Assistant] Not much to that guy, but I know him and I know he could probably tear the limbs off my body and beat me with them.


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[Assistant] He was a hockey fan by the way too. Exactly right, same at the games all the time. Yes, he was crushing beers, he was drinking one through a catfish because that's what they threw onto the ice. That's disgusting. It's almost like licking a hockey player during the middle of a hockey match.


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[Assistant] I think I drink through the fish and I'm allergic to most fish and I still think, I don't know. Have you ever been in a hockey locker room? Yea, well no I haven't, but I've been in an NFL locker room. Oh no, that smells like roses compared to a hockey locker.


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[Assistant] Well, if it plays out this way, Josh, this is great news for the 49ers because thinking of who they don't need, they don't need a quarterback. So they have their pick of every player in the draft, not named Kyler Murray. It's amazing news.


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[Assistant] Thor, we're not making it easy for you on your first pick. So we're here in Stamford, Connecticut, very close to a lot of Jets fans. Jets fans all over the building. They're a little anxious about the draft. They're not afraid to be vocal. So be careful with who you give the Jets here.


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[Assistant] It seems like there's one or two players a year and I always keep track of what you guys say and what other people are saying about them in their analysis and sometimes there are players where it's like I can't even bring up a negative because it doesn't seem to be out there. I don't think there is one out there for this guy. It's hard for me to find it. Hopefully it translates to success for him. We have him going to the Raiders at four, bringing us to the Buccaneers at number five. I'm interested in this one.


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[Assistant] And I had no doubt about the player. It's, is this position at number five, is that too high for someone who doesn't put pressure on the quarterback who is a sideline to sideline player instead of someone who is disrupting the puck?


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[Assistant] And listen to the way you described him and what he could do. Made me think of a highlight I saw. I think of a show you guys did right here in the studio with Jalen Smith last year, chasing someone down from the middle all the way out to the sideline. I think on a wide receiver screen.


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[Assistant] Every now and then. We must believe in your mental toughness here because we're giving you the jets.


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[Assistant] So that's two quarterbacks off the board. Giants going Dwayne Haskins at six. Kyler Murray, number one, no surprise to Arizona. Back to you, Chris Sims, number seven, the Jacksonville Jaguars. This is where it gets to


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[Assistant] I have a question about that because, I mean, everybody said they like the player, but you have Brian Burns from Florida State rated, uh, significantly higher at the same position. How come you didn't put him in that spot?


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[Assistant] Josh, what do you see is the biggest difference between Devin White and Devin Bush?


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[Assistant] Yeah, okay. I think that's a good possibility. I heard the name Evan Silva and team needs want to remind everybody Josh and Evan Silva will take a team by team. Look at the biggest needs of every franchise and which prospects may be able to fill those holes. You can go to Rotaworld.com slash pardon me.


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[Assistant] Don't think that's an accident. All right, uh, tell me that one more time guys. Okay, there we go. Recap one through a couple of quarterbacks off the board, one Callum Murray and at number six, Dwayne Haskins and a nice mix of offense and defense. A lot of defense there one through eight.


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[Assistant] 11 usually follows 10. At least in my book. Bringing us to the Bengals. Josh, that's your team.


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[Assistant] Can you see a scenario where an offensive lineman doesn't come off the board until 11?


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[Assistant] Okay, offensive line at 11 Jonah Williams to the Bengals at 12 the Packers and


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[Assistant] You had Jerry Tillery rated quite a bit higher. Yeah. At that same position. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Truth be told, the only reason the guy at the end of the table is sitting there because for the Vikings at 18, we wanted a guy named Thor with a beard with a Minnesota accent to make the pick.


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[Assistant] Seahawks at 21 with the money they have left. They're gonna have to pay somebody there with this pick. Thor, it's your pick.


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[Assistant] Alright, uh, the Raiders picks, we have two coming up here. Thor, you're gonna have them both. Let's begin with 24.


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[Assistant] Before Thor goes again for the Raiders at number 27, a reminder for measurements, to testing scores, to player comparisons, and everything else in between, go to RotorWorld.com slash prospect capsules for Thor Neistrom's in-depth breakdowns at every position.


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[Assistant] So now, for the Raiders, yes, to recap, at number four, Chris gave them Quinn and Williams, and then just moments ago, looking down here to number 24, Hakeem Butler, wide receiver, Iowa State, now at 27, their third pick and the first.


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[Assistant] Alright, bringing us to 30, the Green Bay Packers. And Thor, I think you had the pick for the Packers as well at 12. And you went offensive line with Jawan Taylor. So what are you doing at 30? Oh man, we're struggling here.


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[Assistant] I'll go into your defensive line. Interior D line. All right. I'm looking up and out. I don't see a lot. Highly rated. Are you thinking Big 10? You're thinking Big 10? Yes, I am. Ohio State? Yes. Draymond Jones. Draymond Jones.


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[Assistant] Interesting picks still on the board after first round that the top running back Josh Jacobs is still there in our version of the mock Marquis Brown from Oklahoma still on the board as well. Uhm, that those are the two names are really in addition to drew lock. I mean, yeah, Nicky O'Harey.


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[Assistant] Real soon. Let's take a look at the recap of the first round here. All 32 picks, one through eight. A lot of defense there in the top eight, as you would expect.


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[Assistant] Like you said, I grew up in Brownsville, the Brownsville section of Brooklyn. Right.


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[Assistant] Which is a, you know, a tough area. Let's call it just tough. So I grew up in the New York City public housing. Uhm, I learned a couple things from growing up there. First and foremost, you had to be tough. If you didn't, people were gonna...


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[Assistant] They're gonna mess with you on a day to day basis. Sure.


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[Assistant] The second thing is, you know, I had to learn how to deal with adversity.


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[Assistant] So I lived on the 20th floor and, you know, the elevators were, you know, we called it some timey, you know, back in the day. So, uh, so sometimes they worked, yeah, sometimes they worked, sometimes they didn't. So, you know, a lot of times I'd have to, you know, go grocery shopping, you know, like with my mom, get to the, uh,


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[Assistant] You know what, I never thought of that, but that's probably where it started.


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[Assistant] Why she loves that? Uh, you know, my mom was, you know, she, she, she, she led her house with an iron fist. So she was, uh, she was tough on us. Right.


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[Assistant] You know, that kind of ended up becoming my coaching style. Yeah. Uh, so I'm hard on the players. Uh, I'm demanding, you know, the one thing I knew though about, you know, from my mom is that she loved me. There was never a doubt that, that, that, you know, she could say whatever she wants. She could, you know, you know, do her thing, you know, when she got angry. Right. So that's what I want to know. Okay.


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[Assistant] You got spanked and, you know, but even when we got spanked, I knew she loved me. Right. And I knew, uh, that she'd come over and say, this is why this happened.


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[Assistant] My coaching style is similar to that. So I yell, I scream, I kind of go off at times. But my guys know I love them. And I try to build those connections and build that trust. And I think that's, specifically with today's player, you gotta build that trust, you gotta build that connection. And if you don't,


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[Assistant] They feel like you, you know, you're just, you know, out to get your next job or out to, you know, just win games and. Treating them like a piece of meat, whatever it may be. I don't think that's the way to go. That's just been my philosophy. Right.


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[Assistant] And it, you know, it's worked for me and, you know, that's, I'm not gonna change. No, I know you won't. You know, I gotta stick to my guns on that.


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[Assistant] You know, if I, if I, I've had a couple moments like that, but then I kind of slap myself in the face and say, there's something to do. Draft, free agency, uh, you know, messaging to the team, uh, um, offense, defense, special teams, you know, there's always something going on. So, uh, you know, if I'm gonna, uh, uh, you know,


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[Assistant] Do a great job at, you know, this job and I have to be focused on right now. No doubt.


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[Assistant] I think I was very fortunate, you know, my development, and it all kinda happened, I don't wanna say it was by chance, I don't think anything was by chance, and I was kinda, I don't wanna say destined, but you know.


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[Assistant] You're a worker, man. You're a worker. It happened for a reason. Right. So I started in personnel. Right. Uhm, you know, Scott Piolli's actually, you know, he hired me. Okay. Uhm.


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[Assistant] And uh, you know, kind of learn the inner workings of the personnel side, which, you know.


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[Assistant] Now it's, you know, it's, it's, it's kind of have that background. I went from, you know, personnel to special teams, to offense, to defense, and then kind of worked my way up defensively and, uh,


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[Assistant] It's hard, you know. Really, that's what it boils down to. It's not easy to work in New England. It's not easy to play in New England. But, you know, they get the best out of you. They get the most out of you.


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[Assistant] I had, I was fortunate to, to, to, to be there for, you know, 15, 15 years. Uh, you know, it went by like that. And I learned a lot.


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[Assistant] And I think, you know, the development of, uh, I was, I developed a lot working in all those, you know, different areas and, uh, you know, you start to go on some head coaching interviews and hear about, you know, what this role entails and it's, you know, you're managing.


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[Assistant] Bill does a good job of developing leaders. Yeaah. You know, uhm, and that's something I'm gonna take from that. Yeaah. I'm gonna do my best to develop leaders within our building. Right. Uhm, in all the areas, you know, in their perspective areas. Yeaah, sure. And I think that's important. Right.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no stone goes unturned. So, uh, you know, from a preparation standpoint, you know, situational football, um, but I think, you know, one of the things he does a great job of is to make sure that, you know, we have guys who are doing the best, uh,


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[Assistant] We're accentuating guys' strengths and trying not to put them in positions where, uh, they're doing things that they're not very good at, you know?


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I think that's important. Why would we put somebody in a position where uhm, this is not his strength, or we're putting him in something where it's a weakness of his. And it's not just on the field, it's really across the board. And I think that's important.


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[Assistant] And, uh, he's still got energy. He's still, you know, he, he, I mean, he's still the smartest guy in the room. Uh, so, you know, I don't see, I don't see him, uh, I don't see him stopping anytime soon.


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[Assistant] For me as a player, it's the way he blocked. Right. No, that's one of those things that, you know,


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[Assistant] Uh, all the Twitter views as they say are, you know. The highlights. The highlights, exactly. But that's something he did really well and it helped us win a lot of games. And when you can bring that kind of toughness and attitude and strength power and, uh, just, you know,


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[Assistant] Nasty, kinda, you know, grit, you know, to a game, you know.


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[Assistant] I would say he blocked almost like, you know, it's kind of like the toughness and grit you want in front of a defensive player. Right. Uh, so that's what I love about him and we kind of, uh,


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[Assistant] It was, it was fun, you know, you know, on Sundays, you know, basically, you know, during the week it wasn't, you know, trying to get this guy, you know, contained. Right. So, you know. Yeaah, he's pretty special. He is.


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[Assistant] First of all, let's say this. Marcus Joyner. Yes. I think you're an incredible player. We think you're amazing. I think you're an incredible, credible player. Thank you. Okay. So, you've had a great career. Congrats on the contract in Oakland, I believe. Uh, Oakland, correct?


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[Assistant] Before we get into some news with Frank Clark and before we get to the actual mock draft, everybody puts something out about, hey, my mock draft is about this. It's what I think a GM should do or this is what I think will happen. So your mock draft is what?


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[Assistant] Mock draft with Chris as the GM for all 32 teams coming up in a couple moments.


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[Assistant] Speaking of what was, what was fun, what was, what was stupid, what was good, there'll be a lot of that about your mantra. Yes, there will be, yes. Not from me.


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[Assistant] We got handed a new story recently here. Frank Clark, from Seattle to Kansas City. Tell me if you reacted this way at all. After all that Kansas City gave up to get him a first round pick, a second round pick next year, swapping thirds, wouldn't it have been easier to just keep D-Ford?


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[Assistant] Defensive end to fill that void. Yep. Alright, here's how we're gonna do it. My understanding is we're gonna see four of your picks at a time. Okay, cool. In the mock draft. So let's go ahead and roll his one through four selections. And not a big surprise at the top with Kyler Murray. Before we get into the next four picks, are you buying at all this smoke screen that all of a sudden they love Josh Rosen?


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[Assistant] He also said multiple times, more than once, that he was a top 10 pick for a reason last year. It felt to me like they're trying to ratchet


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[Assistant] My big why on your top four, Ed Oliver, and I've read, heard he's a great fit for the Jets, but him at three, and Quinn and Williams at four. Yeaah. Almost everybody, all the evaluators I trust would say, oh, Quinn and Williams is a better player. He is. Why wouldn't she put the Jets, or have the Jets take Williams instead of Oliver?


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[Assistant] And for everyone who's listening instead of watching, uh, just to run through five through eight, five Tampa Bay, Devin White.


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[Assistant] 8 Detroit with Josh Allen. Yes. And I know all along that you've liked Drew Locke better. You liked him a little better than Dwayne Haskins. And this is as if you were the GM making the call. If the Giants decide, let's play the Giants, not Chris James. If the Giants decide to go quarterback at 6, which one do you think it'll be?


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[Assistant] What jumps out to me looking at 10, Devin Bush. Sure. And you had Devin White at 5 going to Tampa Bay. Two inside linebackers in the top 10.


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[Assistant] And there's no Clay Matthews coming off the edge anymore? No, there's not.


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[Assistant] Next four starts at number 13 and you give us a real talking point right there. Dwayne Haskins quarterback, Ohio State to the Dolphins 14 Atlanta.


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[Assistant] How long did it take you, how much pause did you have at 15 to give DK Metcalf to the red skill?


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[Assistant] Speaking of quarterback, can you see a scenario where they just take the highest quarterback available on their board? Ooh.


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[Assistant] And that'd be great value. If, if Frank Clark is worth the first round pick and some extra, Josh Rogan's gotta be worth it. Definitely. Second, and probably a little change too to throw in there with it. I think that'd be a good way to go. Alright, next four, beginning with the Giants, and this is their second pick. The Giants in the first round, you had them going quarterback with Drew Locke at 17, greedy Williams.


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[Assistant] Cornerback, Minnesota, Greg Little, Tennessee at 19, Dexter Lawrence, and the Steelers at number 20, Cleland Furl or Farrell, whoever you want to talk to. We know who the player is. Greedy Williams to the Giants at 17. That works out pretty well. They get the quarterback at 6, and they get the best corner in the draft at 17.


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[Assistant] You mentioned Brian Burns and you said that you had him going 16 to Carolina. We had him on the show a couple, three weeks ago and he talked about all the different places he was going at for pre-draft visits because that's what first round prospects do. He was doing like three or four, maybe even five.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and a lot of people think he'll be the only corner to go in the first round. We'll see if, uh, if you feel the same way here coming up. Yeah, that's 17 through 20. Let's move ahead. 21 through 24 beginning with Seattle. This is the first of their two first round picks. They just got the 29th from Kansas City at 21 Christian Wilkins. Another, I think that's three in a row from Clemson you have going.


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[Assistant] Correct? Yes. Okay, so that's uh, that's to the Seahawks at 21. I'm just thinking out loud here. Baltimore at 22, Paris-Campbell, Houston 23, Andre Dillard, and tight ends to the Raiders at number 24, the second from Iowa, and no offense.


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[Assistant] The old saying is that the running game or tight end is a quarterback's best friend, but the way offenses are playing now, if you have a receiver who can be in the slot and close to you, that might be a young quarterback's best friend.


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[Assistant] Okay, 25-28, beginning with the Eagles, Juwan Taylor. 26, the Colts. They're great things about this player, Jonathan Abram, the safety. 27, Oakland, with Collier. And 28, the Chargers, Jeffrey Simmons. Do you want to start at the bottom or at the top here with this little, with this quad?


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[Assistant] If he's one of these players, after all this evaluation and scrutiny, most people still like a whole lot. Safety is a valued position now. Yes. Why? How come he's still around at 26?


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[Assistant] And that team, the Chargers at 28, Jeffrey Simmons, how high do you think he would have gone minus, minus the ACL injury that he suffered after the season?


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[Assistant] Okay, 29 to 32, it starts out with the Seahawks pick that they just got in the Frank Clark trade. At 29, they go defense again. Darnell Savage, the safety. Packers, their second pick in the first round, AJ Brown. And then LA, the Rams at number 31, Garrett Bradbury. And 32, Jay Sternberger, tight end.


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[Assistant] To the Patriots, and that's, uh, I'm just picturing that fit there with the need for the Pats, and that's a pretty nice pick.


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[Assistant] Let's review what you did with the Seahawks. There aren't a lot of people's minds with that Frank Clark trade. So you went defense at 21, Christian Wilkins out of Clemson. Defense again with the name you just mentioned, Darnell Savage at safety. What should we know about why you like that?


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[Assistant] It's almost time that the NFL and college needs a different name than


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[Assistant] Then, uh, just nickel or hybrid linebacker safety because you play with one almost every single snap. You do. It's become a starting position. It's not really a specialty thing anymore. No, you're right. You talked about Greedy Williams. He's your only corner. I just double checked it. One corner going in the first round and you have him going 17 to the Giants. How many corners do you think will actually go? Okay, yeah.


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[Assistant] Isn't it something how expectations change especially at that position? Yes. For a first round corner or second round corner in terms of what you're going to ask him to do and what you expect him to do for the next decade.


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[Assistant] Who's the one player, and you might have said the name of the running back from Alabama. Yeaah. After you looked at your top 32, you're checking it out like, oh, I did a great job, I really like my picks. Who's the one guy where you were like, I can't believe I didn't include him somewhere. It's him. Josh Jacobs.


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[Assistant] Jerry Tillery. I was just going to ask you, knowing how you feel about traits, we were just in South Bend, uh, within the last week or two, calling the spring game. I-I-I fully expected to get your mock draft and see Jerry Tillery somewhere between 20 and 32.


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[Assistant] That's very good rationale. I'm gonna raise my hand with one more question. Please do. That's too many questions. No, it's not too many. Reach out and stop me. Nope. 21, you have Seattle taking Christian Wilkins. If I remember correctly on your total player rankings, you have Tillery ranked high.


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[Assistant] That word fit and we've both been looking at the draft and thinking about it for so many years that one of the common cliches that gets thrown out there every single draft is do you draft for need or you take the highest player available?


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[Assistant] I'm not pushing that totally aside, but it seems like a more important conversation is do you draft for fit? Fit is more important than need or talent or as important. And versatility. Teams want guys who can do more than one thing, no matter what the position is, unless it's quarterback. No doubt about that.


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[Assistant] Need and fit come into every single drapery. Definitely does.


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[Assistant] This brings us back to right where we started, this conversation about fit, because Frank Clark, from Seattle to Kansas City, you basically said, you have DeFord, Frank Clark, you know, Frank Clark's a little better player, but he's a much better fit. Yes. And that's, that's kind of what this whole thing's been about.


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[Assistant] That would mean three of your top five picks here, if you throw in Quinn and Williams, have been on the show. You're right.


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[Assistant] That would leave Kyler Murray at one and Nick Bosa at two. They've not been a part of the mix here. So maybe, maybe down the road.


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[Assistant] And it's been so long since they took a front four player in the first round, I mean...


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[Assistant] Devin White, good dude. He would, uh, the, the, the Buccaneers would be, would do well to have him go to your old spot there. No question. In Tampa. Let's put a wrap on your mock draft today. We're going to go one through eight right now. I'll read the names. Kyler Murray, number one to Arizona. Bosa two to San Francisco, the Jets take at Oliver.


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[Assistant] At four, the Raiders were the first of their three picks. Quinnen Williams to Alabama. Devin White, the man you just talked to, to the Bucks. At six, Drew Locke, quarterback Giants. Seven, Jags go tight end TJ Hockinson. And at number eight, to the Lions, Josh Allen.


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[Assistant] Nine, Buffalo Montez Sweat, I like that pick there. Ten, the Broncos, Devin Bush, another inside linebacker from Michigan. Eleven, offensive line to the Bengals, Jonah Williams. Twelve, the Packers with Rashaan Gehry. Thirteen, another quarterback.


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[Assistant] Wayne Haskins from Ohio State to the Dolphins. 14 offensive line from Oklahoma. Cody Ford goes to the Falcons. 15, you have the Redskins with DJ Metcalf. And at 16, Brian Burns, defensive end from Florida State to the Panthers.


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[Assistant] Let's break this next group up here, Chris, into groups of four. So at 17, the only cornerback you have going in round one, the Giants' second pick.


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[Assistant] Greedy Williams, sad number 18, Greg Little from Ole Miss to the Vikings, 19 beginning a rip of three consecutive Clemson players, Dexter Lawrence to the Titans, and at 20, you have the Steelers taking Cleveland Furl, also from Clemson.


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[Assistant] In one Seattle, the first of two picks, you have them with, uh, Christian Wilkins.


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[Assistant] And at 22, Paris Campbell to Baltimore. 23, Houston. Andre Dillard at 24. No offence to the Raiders.


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[Assistant] Now moving on to the last quadrant here of the first round in Chris's Monk Draft. 25, the Eagles offensive line, Jawan Taylor, Colts goes safety, Jonathan Abram, Raiders with their third pick, LJ Collier out of TCU, Edge Rusher, and 28, Jeffrey Simmons, Mississippi State to the L.A. Chargers.


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[Assistant] Uh, Jason Peters. Last four of the first round. You see him there if you're with us on YouTube. Savage, the safety from Maryland to Seattle. AJ Brown, wide receiver to the Packers. At 31, the Rams go offensive line. Garrett Bradbury and Pick we talked about before that we both like a lot. Tied in, Texas A&M. Jay Sternberger to the Patriots.


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[Assistant] Uh, operated on, removed, burned, this, that, I mean, you know, Christopher, he knows, he's seen me, sometimes I look like, you know, I, I'm about one day away from death because I've got stuff peeling off of me everywhere, just trying to combat it. It's been, it's worked, but it's okay.


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[Assistant] Then I go swimming at about five o'clock, cause down there the sun goes down about six, so the sun heat is done and...


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[Assistant] He was physically more gifted than we think and we don't give him credit for. He was a very good thrower of the ball and, you know, in an era where


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[Assistant] Climate change is different now because he played in Green Bay and they probably had one sunny day a year.


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[Assistant] And the rest of it was snow, wind, I mean they, they, he played, and I remember him growing up, you know, he played a little bit, I was very young of course, but I still remember it.


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[Assistant] Always bad weather. You're right, we didn't even get highlights in. But, just, just uhm.


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[Assistant] Just a better quarterback, and it's kinda sad, and I heard the numbers you were talking about, and that's probably another reason why it's not talked. The numbers have changed so drastically, and the big thing I heard you guys say, which was really cool,


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[Assistant] Vinny, Phil, Vinny, and he would give me, tell me many, many stories, and you know, they were great.


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[Assistant] Usually on Friday after practice or Saturday, he just would walk around and say, how proud I am of you. You're just, I love you and all this to all the players and you know, which is, which is,


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[Assistant] Bing, bang, boom. Cowboys. Roger. Roger the comeback kid or whatever. They beat us. It was really cool. I think I told you this. I walk across the field. There he is.


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[Assistant] And the game, I don't care if they win or lose a lot of times, as long as I get my numbers. And uh, things like that. So, they were managing the game.


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[Assistant] For the coaches, but also all those players and try and so that that's.


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[Assistant] Oh my god, it looks so easy, they do so, oh.


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[Assistant] It's still to this day, people play the bare defense of course not the same way, but that was revolutionary.


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[Assistant] Different ways, year in and year out. That's Bill Belichick. It is a constant evolution of ideas, players, schemes.


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[Assistant] How to use the players, multidimensional, it just goes, everybody's thinking, well, I'll just say one thing, everybody, we gotta get to the quarterback. That never seems to be a theme for the Patriots.


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[Assistant] It wasn't crisp, I didn't see the little pop in the arm they used to have. Tyrod Taylor, look, he is a great backup for a good football team.


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[Assistant] Drew Locke right now because it's going to be a slower start for Drew Locke. But did we say this? How about Jay Gruden? I think we talked about it, Christopher, right?


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[Assistant] They know how big the moment is out here at the draft, so they got me cleaned up, got me looking right, got me ready to go in front of millions of people.


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[Assistant] You know, and they take pride, and they take pride in their product, and they take pride in getting you looking good.


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[Assistant] That's how I was in, uh, that's how I was in college. It didn't matter what all I ate, I look good regardless. So, uh, but now I, I started investing in myself and, uh, taking it a little bit more serious. It's a, it's a different level of competition. Your body have to be in tip top shape. So now I watch a little bit.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, my mama, she really ain't, she really ain't told me what she want, so.


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[Assistant] It'd probably be me not having enough three technique reps, but they know, they know I can play it, I don't, I mean.


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[Assistant] If I get in a three technique, I can do that plus more, uh, being single block, but that'd probably be the only concerns is not being certain of how good I could be in a three technique. It's kind of like a, like a hunch on how good I can be. But I mean, it's a pretty good hunch. You just, all you gotta do is turn on the table. Pretty good hunch.


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[Assistant] You know, being compared to a Hall of Famer, uh, basically, uh, not if, but when, uh,


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[Assistant] I took some heat and deservedly so, uh, for some of the comments that I've made on that show and especially towards him and I genuinely feel bad about that and I'm sorry. Did I go too far after that Denver game? Probably. Did I go too far? Probably.


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[Assistant] Because all that off-season planning that you do as an organization team, here's what we're going to do with all that, and then the games come around and you go, uh-oh, none of it worked.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Boy, I looked good on the chalkboard during the offseason. Right, right. But, so, and I think every team, and you said this, I'm pretty sure,


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[Assistant] In a certain way every year. I mean, it was that way in my career and you know, and, and.


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[Assistant] And I'm sure it wasn't yours, and Paul, you follow the game, you know it. So, it might not be noticeable to the...


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[Assistant] average fan, but it's very noticeable to the NFL and to the players.


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[Assistant] Well, I've got many thoughts. It was out there, it was alarming as a fan and you know, and as a guy that's in this business going, oh my gosh. You know, cause you find out. You know, you see numbers and we see things and


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[Assistant] That so-called number one receiver, we throw that title around really easy, and uh, I think what I saw in that game, I think what the Patriots did on defense told us so much.


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[Assistant] It was uh, well of course, inside the 10 yard line when they do, they're always gonna double the slides, they double them once. I think that was the only time that I saw. So, uh, he did not really distinguish himself with the one on one coverage. He had some success.


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[Assistant] But besides that, then James Washington, you know, I didn't see him really separate himself, so everybody is a good player.


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[Assistant] But you gotta go up one step. Are you still a good player? Or a really good player?


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[Assistant] And so that's tough. You know, Juju Smith is, Schuster is not like what I call a speed burner in the NFL. No, definitely not.


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[Assistant] He's gonna see a lot of one-on-one coverage, and it's gonna be interesting to see what Pittsburgh does with all this.


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[Assistant] And you know too, watching the Jets play, not getting off target here.


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[Assistant] He looks like a defensive end. And, you know, you just forget about last year.


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[Assistant] All they don't miss him, James Connor is great. And look, I even kind of said it to give James Connor some credits, but now that I see him...


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[Assistant] So Antonio Brown and Levion Bell, we're talking about two of the top of their profession off of your team. Nobody has.


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[Assistant] Four top people like that, so they lost two, and they don't have two to replace them, and it makes a big difference in their team. And just think of the Jets.


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[Assistant] Yeah, their safeties, Jamal Adams, Marcus May, they were great. Who else am I thinking, Leveon Bell?


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[Assistant] And, uh, I think the thing that disappointed me in the jet game...


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[Assistant] I thought Sam Dardle was, uh, not sharp.


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[Assistant] And I understand it, it's the first game of the year, and you're playing a team that's just all over the place on the defensive side of the Buffalo Bills.


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[Assistant] Don't make many mistakes, if any, and man, I've just never watched a defense where everybody has a high motor when the game is being played.


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[Assistant] They're the team. When you're the opposing quarterback, you go, okay, let's be tough.


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[Assistant] Not gonna have great numbers, gonna have to live with it. Don't think, like Josh McDaniel said in the documentary during the Super Bowl against the Rams, he goes, well, there's some days you gotta realize you're just not gonna score 30.


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[Assistant] But I thought Sam Darnold, a lot of blitzing by the bills in a way, under pressure.


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[Assistant] Just never, never set his feet to really throw the ball.


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[Assistant] And, you know, of course, I made a big thing on CBS before. Hey, his speed, he can be one way and make the throw the other way. But this was different. He was really off balance.


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[Assistant] They did the scat pass, go across the formation, throw the ball to the running back about three or four times. Yes. A couple wide receiver screens, and there we go!


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[Assistant] And so, you know, they, I understand the bill's defense, but


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[Assistant] You are allowed to put the quarterback under the center with Le'Veon Bell and let's fake it and get it down the field. That's how you get the football down the field.


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[Assistant] You just couldn't, and the Patriots, there's so many shots in the game, I kinda did this yesterday.


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[Assistant] But there's no question that Patriots defense, Paul, just seeing your eyes, did it tell you that it was faster? Just on TV?


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[Assistant] With the pass, I said, I think at one time during training camp, they had 24 defensive backs on the roster in training camp.


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[Assistant] So they build, they built their defense from the secondary to the front.


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[Assistant] And you know, how many play, they surround the quarterback and slowly suffocate him and their coverage, you know, they,


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[Assistant] I mean, how long has Patrick Chung, uh, Doran Harmon,


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[Assistant] No more just, uh, just moving people more and you can do that with speed because in case of mistake you can recover. Some of the blood scene I thought was really clever.


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[Assistant] You know, they blitzed one time in a little bunch formation that Pittsburgh was gonna get em on, trick em.


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[Assistant] And they blitzed it and the backside guy, you know, all of a sudden it was, oh, it was Hightower. Thank God Ben got the ball knocked down by John Simon because the ball's gonna be completed.


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[Assistant] He's gonna run into number 54 who's gonna knock him out. I mean, and you just go, and I was watching it, as I watched it I go,


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[Assistant] Now, did they make this call before they saw the formation?


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[Assistant] Or, did they see the formation and change the defensive call?


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[Assistant] And the three of them have never, they've never talked about it, it's never been shown, Belichick have never, and they make the adjustment, they call, you know, they say do-dee, they go through all their yelling at each other, the play runs, they stuff it out.


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[Assistant] No, like, way to do it on the fly, hey, this is what we taught you to be. Think, figure it out, and get it done. And it's, it was a great story, I think it was, uhm,


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[Assistant] Uh, Mike Brable telling me the story. Was it, no, it wasn't Mike Brable. It was William McGinnis telling me the story.


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[Assistant] I know you're gonna kick me off here soon, but the other thing is, you know, I gotta talk about Jacksonville a little.


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[Assistant] He gets kicked out of the game, of course. Yeaah, he's mad because Helly, he calls big plays.


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[Assistant] The first touchdown to Sammy Watkins, if he just stands there, there's nowhere to throw the ball. But he got caught by the...


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[Assistant] Travis Kelce going across the field and catching that deep pass? I mean, come on!


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[Assistant] Those, those are, you know, for everybody league runs, that dumb play. And you just, they blow the coverage again.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, how many times you gotta see that play if you're, you know, the Jacksonville Jaguars where you figure out will you stay at home and all that stuff. Yeah, it was a great play. It was clever. I had to watch it three times to figure out where he came from.


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[Assistant] It's unbelievable, it's done, and they get beat by some of those plays every single week, and I don't know, I'll just say this too, Josh Allen, their first round pick,


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[Assistant] And Patrick Mahomes, you know, he took some pretty good hits in that game. He made some great throws. The throw to Sammy Walker, is that play? If you look at it close, he threw a hook shot.


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[Assistant] No, you're wrong. He's supposed to sit right in there and stay there, and that's the coverage, and there's nowhere to go. The end cut to Sammy Watkins would not be there.


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[Assistant] Yes, he did. And Sammy, here, my last thing is this. It was really great.


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[Assistant] A couple things, LaShawn McCoy looked good in that uniform with Kansas City. Is he the same guy? No, but he's not. He's good enough. He fits right.


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[Assistant] You know, Deshaun Jackson, you know, I can't wait to watch that, just to see him run down the field and be happy. But, you know, guys like Sammy Watkins. When's the last time we saw him healthy?


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[Assistant] Just to see him healthy and to run and do all that. And, and we all make the mistakes all the time in this business.


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[Assistant] Or say things, we gotta be careful, and I know, oh, everybody has to play hurt. Yeah, we know that. But a lot of guys are playing injured.


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[Assistant] And then we judge him. Oh, he's not as good as we thought. Oh, he's always, you know. And so it's great to see some of these guys make rebounds. And last, last but not least, Deshaun Watson, please. Get rid of the ball. Go down.


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[Assistant] Two years ago, he ran it, he was playing a game, he ran the ball nine times, quarterback draws, sweeps, everything. He never took one hit.


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[Assistant] Now you, you've said it right Christopher and Paul, I know you've heard him say it. Every play is like, it's...


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[Assistant] Hold it forever, I'm gonna make the big play, all this stuff.


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[Assistant] Yeah, my opening comment on Showtime. Uh, number one, Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] And here he is, the first game. I don't know if it's his knee or his back or what, but boy, that was some hit he took going at touchdown.


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[Assistant] Oh, that's right. Well, you know me. But I would imagine you don't want to have a wrecking ball in China. No, that's, that's danger. Yes. China's gonna get broken. It works just as well.


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[Assistant] Yo yo, what's up? Come on man, subscribe on YouTube to Kristen's Unbuttoned Podcast. I need you, please hit the subscribe button, please!


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[Assistant] Well, I'm doing well, I was doing well until I saw that there has been a mischaracterization of my punctuality.


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[Assistant] Because somebody put on Twitter, at 10.01, a photo of me not in the chair, and you were in the chair. And I just want the record to be clear here.


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[Assistant] You didn't make any of your- you were sitting there studying with your earpiece out and you delayed. And you still can't figure out what to do in some of these games. You're perplexed.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, I'm fine. I'm fine. At least you mentioned that I'm ahead of you against the spread and also beat you last week straight up. I thought you were going to gloss right over that and focus only on best bets. So we're good to go. We're ready to go. Okay, good.


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[Assistant] So it's important to keep in mind that Alshon Jeffery, the Eagles receiver who was out on Sunday.


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[Assistant] Four days later, he's off of the injury report, he's good to go, the calf is healed and he adds something to that offense that was hurting without him because guys aren't there to catch passes, they're there to drop passes, they're not there to catch passes. Deshaun Jackson is out, but Alshon Jeffery is.