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[Assistant] You know, it's top five, I think, in the NFL right now, if I'm remembering right. Yeah, they're the fifth defense in football. They are. It's better than I would have thought. Well, it's better than you would have thought, and they've been fortunate to play some offenses that we're not writing home about. You know, again, the Giants, we're not like, oh, hey mom.


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[Assistant] The Giants are explosive. Hey mom, the Patriots are explosive. Hey mom, the Bears are explosive. Okay? They played Tampa Bay without no Mike Evans and a beat up offensive line. Alright? And Chris Godwin not there either. So, you know, they've been lucky.


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[Assistant] As far as the offenses they have to play, I don't think they're really a top five defense, I guess is what I'm saying.


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[Assistant] That's what I mean. They're not smothering that way. They're not smothering. And teams do go on some long drives and eat up the clock on them, and therefore that's where we get back into, well, Green Bay, you better execute the next drive and go down the field. And it's just, to me, it's too hard to play that way. You know, it is. It's just, it is. And to me, the great offenses are, you know, again,


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[Assistant] It will. Now they're going to know their defense a little bit. That's going to be interesting. Wink Martindale. Wink's going to know how to defend it and the Giants have size to be able to feel confident about stopping the run. Uhm, but we know Lamar puts you in some binds and makes you play some defenses you don't want to play at times.


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[Assistant] A little. I'm gonna go with Wink though. Wink's an outside the box thinker too. He's, he's...


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[Assistant] They might know I like to do that on that situation there, I won't do that, right? I'm gonna go with him there.


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[Assistant] And then, you know, the Ravens defense, I'm sure they'll look better this week too to help their statistical thing. This is not a great offense they're having to worry about. Uh, but yeah, that's a, you know, low key, pretty damn good game that I'm actually excited to watch.


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[Assistant] The Jets do do some things well. One thing you do see when you turn on the film with them is...


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[Assistant] Incredible, they have incredible defensive speed. They really do. The two linebackers, Quan Alexander and Mosley can fly. Whitehead and Lamarcus Joyner can fly.


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[Assistant] The corners, reed and, and sauce can fly, right? They got pretty fast edge guys and Carl Lawson and, uh, you know, they're our guy. They dropped it at a Florida state, right? And all of that. Jermaine Johnson, Johnson. Yep. Yep. I mean, so they got some guys there that can run.


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[Assistant] You know, Quinn and Williams athletic. Sheldon Rankin's athletic. So they're good there. Now their biggest issue is they're small in the middle of their defense. They're small on their defensive line in general.


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[Assistant] You know, Quinn and Williams is really their only great run-stopping defensive football players. So that's their issue.


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[Assistant] I'd love to come here and tell you that, man, I love the way the Jets looked and it's just, watch out, watch out, but that's not the case. It's one of those where, hey, I felt good about them watching on Sunday, but when you come away from watching the film, you go,


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[Assistant] Well, they got pretty fortunate that it was a third string quarterback. I don't know if those results would have been the same if it was, if it was Teddy Bridgewater out there in that football game. You know, I do think that hamstrung the Dolphins offense, they had to dial it back a little bit with some of the passing concepts they wanted to run and all that. But I think that was the biggest issue was, you know,


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[Assistant] Uh, let, let Raheem Motster and the Dolphins O line kind of push them around and open up a lot of big holes. That was to me what concerned me more than anything for the just defense.


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[Assistant] I think it is. I don't know if it's gonna get there this year to go, oh it's gonna be elite, but I think you can get to a point this year where we go...


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[Assistant] They're in the middle of football, firmly, right? You know, somewhere between 10 and, you know, I know right now there are 10, right? Somewhere between 10 and 16, like I think there's no question about that, with the chance to look into next year and go,


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[Assistant] We can maybe be dominant, right? That's to me where I kind of look at it. But this is still a huge ju- This was, I mean, almost a historically bad defense last year.


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[Assistant] So, let's keep things into perspective here. You know, they're doing some good things. There's no doubt about it. And this group here is not easy to contain. That's for sure. I don't care who's at quarterback with them.


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[Assistant] You know, again, they got things that make you...


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[Assistant] Worry and they can stress you and then along with McDaniel's ability to, you know, be creative, it makes them extra dangerous that way. And, uh, so this was not an easy task even for the, for a defense going against the third string quarterback. Throw one other name out at you on this Jets defense.


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[Assistant] John Franklin Myers. He's, he's one of the standouts of their team. Defend to end, right? Not like a guy that you go, ooh.


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[Assistant] You know, I think they try to make up for this lack of smallness on their defense by giving like, hey, here's a strong, a big defense end. I mean, I don't know what Jonathan Myers Franklin is, is, or Franklin Myers.


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[Assistant] 6'4, 288. He's a strong side defense end. That's a pretty big strong side defense end. They try to use that to help out their football team. But yeaah, I would say him and Quinnen Williams are the two guys that consistently jump out to me on a week to week basis on the D-line.


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[Assistant] The Dolphins offensive line is continuing to get better, right? They're getting a little bit of an issue there, for sure. Uhm, but.


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[Assistant] I don't know if they'll ever be great, but this goes back almost to our bangles conversation. They do so much to help them out all the time.


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[Assistant] Right? That you're always worried about, whoa, outside zone. Whoa, fake this run. And now there's Raheem Moster going this way. Oh, bootleg over here. Oh, reverse to Tyree Kill. Oh, reverse to Judge Aylin Waddle. And then when it comes the time that they're dropped back or they do drop back, you're going,


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[Assistant] They can't pin their ears back and go. Exactly, that old phrase. They can't just do that all the time. So that's where he helps out the offensive line.


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[Assistant] You know, the, the, that, that's, that is an issue for sure. But again, I think, yeah, the Dolphins are on the up and up and, and I still like their football team. I'm not giving up on them. And as long as Bridgewater.


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[Assistant] Or even if the Schuyler Thompson continues to play, they're still going to be in the thick of things. I don't doubt that at all. Uhm, I want to make sure if I, did I hit everything? Did we hit everything there? Yeah, I think so. You sure? Okay, my only issue with the Jets in the football game was up 19 to 7 and they went for it on 4th and 1 at midfield. Okay, the defense wasn't as good as everybody thought.


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[Assistant] But it's 19 to 17 and you're playing a third string quarterback.


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[Assistant] Like, punt the freaking ball down the field and make him drive the field. You're gonna give the third string quarterback throw one screen or one pass and they're in field goal territory and you're losing the game? Come on!


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[Assistant] But, but just with that, like uhm, you know, hey, and then, you know, again, I like a lot of things with the Jets offense. They were fortunate at the end of the game with some Miami mistakes. Alright, what did you say then?


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[Assistant] What do you think he'll do against the Packers next? That would be interesting to see.


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[Assistant] That will be. Again, some common knowledge of the coaching staffs there.


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[Assistant] It could be. It could be. Which then could lead to a big play action past day and them actually being explosive and then people going, Chris, see, you're wrong. The Packers are explosive.


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[Assistant] Way to go, Brandon Echols. Way to win the Peter Peter award. I think that's what we should call it. Pete's pun awards or Peter Peter's part of the pun. It is. Peter, let's get away from it, right? Get away. Peter Peter Peter.


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[Assistant] You know, they're, like even this game, this was a shocking game to watch. You know, again, you know, you know, we're watching a lot of games at one o'clock on a Sunday, seeing all the big plays from the Seahawks, right? And you're going, man, how'd they get in position there? What'd they do with it? How did they get to this point? How'd they get to the 50 to, I mean,


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[Assistant] This is one where if you just watch the highlights, you'd go, well, those were the plays. That was it. They were smothering to the Seahawks in a lot of ways.


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[Assistant] All the touchdowns and big plays you saw were the offense. I mean, it really is amazing. They're the anti-packers. I mean, seriously, seriously, it really is. It's like run for nothing, run for two. Whoa, he ripped off 40. Run for two, run for one. Whoa, he ripped off 70.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's really what it is. You know, pass for four, pass for five, maybe three and out, next drive, run for one.


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[Assistant] I mean, that's really how the game was. The Saints defense is still really good. It's still really well coached. Alright. I think the biggest thing here is, you know, there are defense that


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[Assistant] Goes for the kill a little bit. They go for the smother. Their first touchdown they lit up the DK Metcalf, right?


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[Assistant] You know, it's third and four, maybe third and five, somewhere in that range. I think they have the Seahawks broken down as when it's third and four, third and five, they like to run routes for six yards and just barely get the first down, right? So they got a ton of guys right in that area, right? But Gino kind of buys time in the pocket, escapes a little bit.


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[Assistant] And they lose track of DK Metcalf, who's really running a five yard route over the middle, but he sees Gino now kind of moving, and he just breaks deep.


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[Assistant] And Gino makes an incredible throw kind of on the run and hits it that way. My, my thing would be there where they're a little different maybe than years past and maybe they maybe have to reevaluate at least in my two cents here. The D-line's not as dominant. Their D-line


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[Assistant] Where in the past, you and me doing a pod and all that, I used to go, well, they don't even have to put the safety down in the box. Their D-line's good enough to stop the run, right? They don't even have to blitz Tom Brady, right? They can just get there with four. And really, it's, it's still a good D-line. Don't get me wrong. Cam Jordan. Exactly. Marcus Davenport. Right.


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[Assistant] David, uh, Onyemanada, right, right. You know, uhm, it's, it's still good. Not as good, you're saying. But not as dominant and smothering as it once was. They can't collapse the pocket quite as a hurry. So when they call these defenders, they're gonna go,


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[Assistant] You know, we're taking a chance here. We're not blitzing, but we're trying to really take away something and give them nothing on third and six.


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[Assistant] To where if that pass rush doesn't get there, it's like, ooh, but we have some holes over here because we really overplayed trying to take this away from our breakdown of what we think they're going to do. And if our pass rush doesn't get there and somebody breaks to that one area that we're kind of vulnerable at,


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[Assistant] Or, we're playing man here, and we expect the pass rush to only get him, let him have like two and a half seconds to throw the ball, and damn, now, now it's four seconds to throw the ball, uh oh, we could be in trouble. That would be my sense. Big plays are the only problem with them. And if you kind of look through the year as I was watching the film, I started to go back and went,


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[Assistant] That's really what it is. I mean, they smothered the Panthers. They had their own fumble, picked up for a touchdown. He threw a ball in the flat to Loviska Shanaugh, and they missed tackles, right? I mean, it's kind of that throughout the year. In the pack, even in the Buccaneers game. Doing a good job.


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[Assistant] Pass rush didn't get there. One on one down the field, Brady hit a long touchdown pass, right? And then they threw a pick six and stuff like that. It's things like that. It's a little self-inflicting and then a little bit of, they're just letting up the big play a little too much on that side of the ball. And I do think it's because they're expecting a little too much out of the pass rush and not quite getting there.


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[Assistant] First off, I see a guy that doesn't really want to tackle anymore. That's the biggest thing. You know. Whether it's the Levisca Shinault play from two weeks ago against the Carolina Panthers. Or that first touchdown I was talking about with DK Metcalf. I mean.


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[Assistant] He's at the five yard line. It's just put your body in front of DK Metcalf. I mean, would you want to do that? No, I would not. But I'm not being paid, I think, $12 million a year to play safety right now. And I'm not Honey Badger.


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[Assistant] And that's his job. It ain't my job. My job is sit here and talk about you when you don't do your job. Yeah, a whole lot easier. Way easier. So yes, you know, turning down tackles for sure. That would be a bother me. And then even then, you know,


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[Assistant] In coverage, it's not great. It's just not great. So that's where, I mean, again, I think there's a little too much of like,


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[Assistant] Sometimes with these rankings like, oh, he did his job. He, he backpedaled as the deep safety and to hit the middle third. Whoa, that was, that was deep. Whoa.


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[Assistant] He can backpedal in the middle third, but, but what about when he's asked to make a play and it just becomes like a normal negative? And I'm going to go, no, that's like nine negatives. That should be like drops you down 20% because every safety and football should make that play, but you're just going up minus play. I don't know. That's egregiously.


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[Assistant] Horrible play. So, yeaah, that's, that's the issue there. Paul Sentadibo didn't have his best day at corner. You know, they got him in some situations, but in some situations too where I think he's expecting safety help. Really on both long touchdowns to Tyler Lockett, he's in compromised positions and definitely can blame a little bit of the safeties on both of those long


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[Assistant] Leagues over. It's just, they're gonna kill you. All right. So that's where now, but when you ask me about one or the other, the guy that maybe is more systemish or the guy that's


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[Assistant] Whoa, nobody was open here, but he kinda just was in an awkward position and threw a ball sidearm on a 40 yard post. Like, whoa. So that's, that's what you get there.


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[Assistant] I do think that Gino is more interested in, in carving you up from the pocket and more interested in utilizing the system to his abilities rather than Russ where I was talking about. It's a lot of.


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[Assistant] It's always been a little bit, but it's more now than ever of just look at one guy, look for the one on one shot.


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[Assistant] Hey, there's a concept of three guys over here. Read it out and hit the throw. Gino's more willing to do that. That's the biggest thing. And Gino's very comfortable in the pocket.


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[Assistant] And as I've told everybody here and maybe somebody can actually give me props a little bit for on Twitter for the first time in the history. I know that's not, I know my homies do, but like he's physically got gifts that are good.


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[Assistant] I mean, he's got an incredibly strong arm. He's incredibly accurate on high level throws. So he does deserve some credit. They're actually a lot of fun to watch. Let me ask you this.


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[Assistant] You're seeing here with Gino getting to play a little bit and get some reps and get used to the game. Gino ain't the issue in Seattle. Not at all. I mean, he's one of the brightest shiny objects on the team right now. So...


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[Assistant] And with Matt Ryan at this point of his career, Matt Ryan still really knows how to play the position, and like I said, I give him a lot of credit for the way he played in that game last week. He has nothing around him. Nothing.


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[Assistant] No pass protection, nothing, and he was still kinda working the pocket, making it happen. He's tough as hell. Alright, so as all time, but right now, Geno's f***ing good.


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[Assistant] I'd like to go, ooh, let's put some of those guys in Seattle and see if their offense is good without Gina. Cause I'd go, some of those guys are not gonna make those throws or move in the pocket like he is.


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[Assistant] And Kenneth Walker, woo! That group can fly right there. That's where they're fun. They're like literally lose a yard or gain 50. That's their offensive game plan right now, which means an exciting game.


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[Assistant] I'm glad you're giving this guy some love. This is one of the underrated stars of the league so far this year. You know, this is...


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm blown away by him. I really am. And even, listen, you could tell the team's blown away by him. When Bradley Chubb tells, you know, Al Michaels and Kirk Herbstreet,


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[Assistant] Oh, Randy Gregory's that in? It really won't make a difference for us. That just tells you it all. That they're seeing it every day all the time. And that's not disrespect to Randy Gregory. It's just that I think we're kind of seeing a...


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[Assistant] The start of a legit freaky edge rusher here and the start of something really like they struck gold with this.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and he was mainly, if I'm remembering correctly, an inside linebacker at Ohio State who occasionally might have got the blitz off the edge. Uh, but obviously they saw, you know, a little bit like the Michael Parsons thing where they just went, wait, wait, this guy's put on a few snaps in college and


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[Assistant] Woah, in practice he keeps winning, and woah, again he keeps winning, woah, he can actually do this, and yeaah, I think they got it now.


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[Assistant] With a graphic, I like that. Alright, great job by you. And he was, he was amazing. I really, listen, I picked the Rams last week because I thought this'll be the week that Cooper Rush


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[Assistant] You know, we'll throw a pick to Jalen Ramsey or you know, Aaron Donald would get there and strip sack him or do something like that. And of course he made him fumble one time and the ball was on the ground for about four seconds and the Cowboys recovered. Uh, but I thought that really would be maybe the way they upset Dallas. And of course that didn't happen, but he was still phenomenal.


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[Assistant] I think what, when you start to see a defense be this dominant, it's a combination of both. Right? That's where I look at it. And listen, they're going to get up, give up some big plays like we saw the Cooper Cup shallow cross because you know, they go for the jugular a lot, which is going to create a lot of big plays for them too.


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[Assistant] You know, they, they're looking to really like smother you and make you punt. They want to be like, no, you got zero yards and now you got to punt the ball. We didn't give you anything. You're three and out, you know, like where some other defense is like, well, we don't like when you get in this formation, we'll give you the six yard completion or whatever. They're like, nope, we're not giving you anything.


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[Assistant] I've said this I think a few times over the last two weeks. Dan Quinn is a guy that


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[Assistant] And we see a lot of the Seattle scheme guys, right? They can't ever break out of the mold. Well, he did. He reevaluated and went, wait, I'm going to be a little different, a little trickier, little skies more, you know, a little bit like, you don't know what you're going to get from me. And then I think when you couple that with the talent they have, that's when you start to go, whoa,


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[Assistant] He, you just hit on Barrett Browning, or the, you know, this would be another guy that I'd go, you need to keep your eye on him to give him some love here. He'd be one of the more underrated Robin Hood superstars of football on defense so far this year. Dorrance Armstrong. Dorrance Armstrong, number 92. Every game I turn on, I go, damn, this guy.


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[Assistant] He's one of the guys I was just talking about that I mis-evaluated. I just didn't think he could win one-on-ones as consistently as he does. Yes. I mean, it is, he, hey, it starts the game off.


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[Assistant] Whoops the shit out of the left tackle and the left guard. Back to back plays and of course gets the stripped sack that allows Demarcus Lawrence to pick it up and run for a touchdown.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, he has been phenomenal. And, you know, they're scary when they get into like some pass rush situations. When they have like him at defense to tackle and Demarcus Lawrence at defense to tackle and then have Michael Parsons and Dante Fowler on the edge. Like, whoa.


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[Assistant] They're gonna win one of those one-on-ones. And then Dan Quinn almost guarantees they're gonna be one-on-one a lot of the times because he does something creative, whether it's a guy that blitzes to make the fifth rusher or a guy that kind of fakes that blitz right to keep that guy there so they can't go double somebody. He's very good at that.


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[Assistant] So he is one of those guys that pops. And that's when you get into Dallas, when you go, okay, those four guys I just mentioned.


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[Assistant] You talk about Neville Gallimore, who's an issue at Defensive Tackle. Uh, Tristan Hill's a good back-up defensive tackle. You know, the defensive line is phenomenal and deep. They got two incredible athletic linebackers and Michael Parsons and Vander Esch. And then,


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[Assistant] They're corners. They got three legit, like, you can trust them man to man corners. And Anthony Brown, Jordan Lewis, and of course Trayvon Diggs. The only part of their demons that I look at to go,


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[Assistant] If they had a safeties there, I'd go watch out. They'd be, you wouldn't be able to do anything. You think the safeties are the weak link? Safeties are the weak link. But they're not asked to do a whole lot or put in a lot of pressure situations to where they're not going to be dependent on.


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[Assistant] You know, they, they attack you right now and, uh, it's the talent and the coaching together that combine to make them very, very hard to move the ball against. I mean, amen.


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[Assistant] You saw some of my notes. I'm sorry, I just had to go off here. I mean...


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[Assistant] Oh my gosh. I mean, it's, it's like, what? I mean, poor Matthew Stafford. He's getting killed. He got his Superbowl. Yeah, right. Just kill him now. That's right. Lucky you, bitter Detroit fan. I rooted for him to get the Superbowl and that was it. Now I'm over it. Now I'm over it.


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[Assistant] I think that's a big part of it. Definitely that too.


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[Assistant] They felt good about, hey, as long as we can cover Cooper Cup, we're really nobody, that scares us. Right? I know they hit the big play to 2-2 Atwell, the post route. Other than that, there's nothing to worry about. And like I said, with those corners, and then I think even with those corners, a few times they were like, so what? Let's put them on an island.


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[Assistant] Their past probe will only hold up for like two seconds, so who cares if we put them on an island? So I think there was definitely some of that. Uhm, the Rams, yeaah, the Rams are, they're gonna have to do it with smoke and mirrors this year.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it's ugly. It's not going to get a whole lot better. You know, but between that defense and the special teams of the Cowboys, man, they attack you. They don't let you off the hook. And then the offense is doing the right things there. And that's where, you know, they're dangerous right now. And it's a real good defense.


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[Assistant] This weekend will prove to me, I know they're a top 10 defense, and probably the most


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[Assistant] Creative turnover type of defense in football that we got.


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[Assistant] Are they, are they like a, they're on the verge though of like, are they a defense like...


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[Assistant] The 2015 Broncos, where we're just gonna go, whoa, the offense sucks, but the defense scores a touchdown every game. Or the 2017 Jacksonville Jaguars, where we just go, I don't know how they're doing this.


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[Assistant] They really don't do much on offense, but their defense gets a strip sack and a touchdown every draw, every game. If not one touchdown and then sets the offense up with a short field every game. That team was more Blake Bortles. Exactly. You know where I was going there. I knew you were going to bring that up, but yeah, I mean, that's to me.


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[Assistant] What I want to see this weekend. Are they that special? Or are they just real good and they're going to make plays? And I understand they're real good, but they have a chance to me to be like, whoa.


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[Assistant] This is a defense that can kinda like win games by themselves a little bit. They've been fortunate to not have to play a complete offense yet. And that'll be the first, this'll be the first time, so this'll be the real big test.


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[Assistant] Yeah, this is a game I would certainly say...


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[Assistant] I mean, and you know this is my one issue with Philly. They leave the run game too often.


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[Assistant] Don't let this group, as you said earlier in the podcast, pin their ears back and go crazy. And if it gets into a passing game, I don't care how good your offensive line is, you know, they're going to create some mismatches or get home a few times.


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[Assistant] The run game and all of that I think had calmed down Dan Quinn. You know, like I said, when you're stunting and moving and twisting and doing all that.


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[Assistant] You know, again, the right run call, like, oh wait, we were stunting this way, and now they're blocking down that way.


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[Assistant] And now we have a D-gap on the outside that's, you know, 15 yards wide. The guy that's theirs has no chance to win it. That's where they'll have to be a little bit like, whoa, no, no, you just take your gap. You take your gap.


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[Assistant] Because of their corners and how good we just talked about, I think they're going to be a little bit like, yeah, we'll trust our guy here in this situation. We're not going to let you run the read option or, you know.


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[Assistant] Fake the ball, and then run out on the edge, right? And then, oh wait, we have an extra guy there, now you get to throw the Dallas Goddard out in the flat, and he runs up the sideline for 10 yards, right? Cause they have checks, so I think they're gonna be able to, because of their talent, play a little man, have a guy on Goddard.


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[Assistant] You know, and maybe have a guy there for Jalen Hurts too, to where that could be fun. But the run game is to where I look at it for Philly. If they drop back and throw the ball too much, they're going to play right into Dallas' hands.


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[Assistant] I want one of our new Peacock or our new Football Night in America logo. I love our new Peacock right now. You noticed that's different, right? There's a new Peacock logo? What do you mean? There's no outline on the Peacock this year. It's just the color.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Well, let me just start there. Michael Parsons to me is the best defensive player in football. You know, it's an Aaron Donald's right there with them, but


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[Assistant] Man, I don't know. Just right now, I might give the crown to Michael Parsons. It's every week. He's so noticeable on the field and does it from different positions.


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[Assistant] Bossa, those two are the leaders, in my opinion. Aaron Donald's got great value right now. Plus 1400. Yeaah, I mean...


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[Assistant] They're gonna have to rely on their defense to where, you know, it might give them some opportunities or give them some chances to where they might have to be more aggressive, blitz.


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[Assistant] Create some mismatches there. You know, I, I, it's, it's hard. And then Max Crosby again is, he's an incredible football player. And I don't think they're going to be good enough maybe, but he could end up a guy that we just see as like,


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[Assistant] You know, he can go on a tear of sacks. He's, he's close every game to getting three or four sacks. And even we saw the other night, you know, I don't know how many he ended up with one or two, but he was like, there was like four other plays where you're like, Oh my, he just missed them. Whoa. He was there again. Right. So he could be that long shot guy. It sounded weird. I think that's the first time in my life.


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[Assistant] I've said that in like seven or eight years. Well the Raiders have a guy like that? Well I know that Michael Parsons is the best player in defense player football. I think I've been saying Aaron Donald for seven years straight. I don't think I've never not said that. Michael Parsons should have been the MVP last year.


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[Assistant] I still think he affected, and we talked about him more on a weekly basis than T.J. Watt, and that's no disrespect to T.J. Watt, he was amazing. Uh, but yeaah, I think he, it's close. He might have passed him up here, and I know Aaron Donald is the man.


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[Assistant] They were kind of like making comments early in the week that it was like day to day. They were just going to see how the week played out, which tells me it must not be horrible, but you know, be careful. Don't push that one. Yeah. You know, just it's let's you're good. The 49ers. Hopefully you can, can deal with being without them for a week or two and let them get totally


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[Assistant] Well, I just wanted to get like a quick look. I didn't like deep dive this game maybe as much as some of the other ones, but just wanted to feel a little bit. One, just to look at Bailey Zappi. I knew that, you know, that was going to be a topic of conversation. Two,


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[Assistant] It's the highest scoring offense in football. I want to see how it got shut down, right? And, uh, just see how the game played out. Cause as you know, and as we talk about all the time, scores, stats are misleading. They are. And this one would classify it a little bit. I'm sorry. I mean, here's all you need to know.


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[Assistant] You know, because there's the talk this week of Billy Zappi. Should they bench Mac Zones and go with Billy Zappi? That's coming from Bill Belichick. He just didn't squash it. He probably does like the pressure on Mac a little bit, who was too careless with the football. But, like, come on everybody. Like, what are we gonna do this every time a backup quarterback comes in and wins a game now? We're gonna go, I think they should bench the starter. Like, no.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, Bailey's Appie was good, alright? But here's the point, and this is why Dan Campbell and Jared Goff, thank you for losing the game for the Detroit Lions, alright?


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[Assistant] Gonna get on Ahmed here. I mean, at one point he was five for seven for 63 yards and an interception.


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[Assistant] And they were up 13, nothing. Whoa! Man, they wouldn't have made it without Bailey's Appie. How did they get there? I mean, okay, well let me tell you how they got there. I mean, dumb shit by Detroit.


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[Assistant] Right? If there's a dumb award this week, Detroit won it.


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[Assistant] The same thing, this is one that was real. The going for it on the fourth down on the first drive of the third string quarterback was just absolutely stupid. That was a fourth and one. Yes. They didn't get it. No, did not get it. Against a team that's like, like,


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[Assistant] Not gonna let you just run it up the middle. Or do something like that. So they don't get it. Oh hey, third string quarterback. You know, hey, get into rhythm here and get some, so they do that. You know, and then of course, you know my next issue. Alright, the interception by Goff was horrible.


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[Assistant] My point is, like, New England never, like, it was never like, oh woah, they just stopped them and smothered them. I mean, you guys were moving the ball down the field on them.


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[Assistant] And then, it's the interception, and then it's the next drive, it's fourth and nine, and...


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[Assistant] Fumbles the ball and they pick it up and run for a touchdown and it's like, it's game over. It's game over. Cause now it's like, oh, now you've played, right, this is New England's got you where they want you. Oh great. They're up by 13. You guys can't stop the run.


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[Assistant] And now they're allowed to run at every play, and you're probably gonna have to pass more than you have to run, and that's the worst thing to do against Bill Belichick. Oh, he knows you're gonna have to pass it a whole lot. He doesn't have to worry about stopping the best thing on your football team, which is your O-line in your run game.


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[Assistant] So that was huge. You were going to be able to make plays on them throughout. The one thing I took away from early in the game, and I think you saw this in my notes, is you could tell the Patriots were scared of the Lions run game and the offensive line.


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[Assistant] They were loading up the box and worried about that. And it was going to lend itself to great looks in the passing game.


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[Assistant] When you make, it's like Dan Campbell went in and was like, nobody beats New England or New England so we gotta be aggressive to beat him. It's like he went in with that preconceived notion and I wanna be like, why?


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[Assistant] There's been plenty of teams that have beaten New England and New England. It just happened two weeks ago. The Ravens did it. Like, what was the reason for being like that? And that was my biggest two cents. Along with your defense is not very good, it doesn't have a lot of talent, and it's not coached that well.


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[Assistant] Well, it's like, it's a deadly combination of a little bit of like, yea, the coaching is not great, it's not overly creative, they do seem to make some mistakes and things like that, and then you couple that with, say what you, it's below average talent on that side of the ball.


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[Assistant] It just, it is. Aiden Hutchinson's really the only blue chip football player on your defense. He's the only guy.


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[Assistant] Michael Brockers, it's, it's getting up there in years. You know, McNeil, your other defense attacker, is your true run stuffer.


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[Assistant] Your other pass rusher, Charles Harris, I mean there's a reason he's on his third or fourth team here in the last five years. Alright? Middle linebackers, nothing to write home about.


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[Assistant] Nobody in the secondary to really write home about. And they have injuries there too. Right. Akuta's been better, definitely. I mean, he's definitely been better.


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[Assistant] You know, is it third pick of the draft better? No. So I think when you add those two things together and then you mismanage a game, that's how you end up going, wait, there's no way they're 29 points better than us or we should be shut out here. That, that, that, it just snowballed out of control because of some of those issues.


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[Assistant] I know that. You know, like, just, you know, lack of disguise. You know, they have all the issues that worry me. Lack of disguises, no creativity, quarterback can just line up and go, oh, they're playing this. That's good. Okay. I feel good. I feel good. It's easy to call plays against them.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, because they should not be losing 29 to nothing to the Patriots.


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[Assistant] Maybe barely at this point. But are they good? I'm definitely not putting them in the good category. Definitely not.


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[Assistant] You know, and, and they're gonna be, they're gonna have games where they look better if they play it, you know, they're like, when they play Kansas City, they're gonna look pretty good.


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[Assistant] They're okay against teams that like don't run the ball a whole lot and pass. That, that's their wheelhouse. So that's still a problem for, it's still a problem for them. It is still a problem for them. You know me and this is why you're the big butt expert of the world right now. They don't have got enough of them. They got nothing. They got nobody.


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[Assistant] Really, that can get off a block in the run game. Nobody, and nobody, and they all get pushed back. They're just too small on the inside. Sebastian Joseph Day, Tillery, they're just, you know, not big enough people to stop the Wyatt Tellers and Joe Botonios of the world. They're not.


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[Assistant] So, that's an issue with them, and then they get nothing out of their middle linebackers either. So that's a double whammy.


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[Assistant] You know, it's in fact, it's a similar theme on the Browns defense on the other side of the ball. It's a very similar formula. So from that standpoint, yeah, when they play a team like this, we see them get gashed. We see teams that just go, this is one of those where I go, Cleveland didn't run the ball enough.


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[Assistant] They should have ran it more. They let them off the hook, I thought, on some drives here.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, it's one of those things where it's concerning and I don't know if they can really fix it unless they change their approach or style of how they play to a degree.


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[Assistant] To me, that's the thing that's missing. And that's what Fangio always had. You know, we talked about this a few weeks ago, right?


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[Assistant] You go to 49ers when he was the defensive coordinator there, they had big people. That allows you to play some of your exotic defenses because you go, wait, this big dude here, he goes to Chicago, he's got Akeem Hicks, Eddie Goldman. And you go, these two guys can take four gaps.


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[Assistant] So now I can do crazy things and take away the coverage because I have two people taking away forward gaps. They don't, they barely have a guy that can take away one gap at defensive tackle right now. They're lucky if they win their one gap.


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[Assistant] Let alone when they ask them the two gap, good night. It's not happening. So, I think that's, that answers the question more than anything. And you know, because of that,


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[Assistant] Like again, if Cleveland had a better play action pass game, they have a good play action pass game, it should be better. If they had a better one, they would have absolutely torched this defense. They would have been in deep shit.


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[Assistant] Uh, that's where Cleveland's a little frustrating too. Cleveland's run the ball, run the ball, and then all of a sudden they get in the shotgun with no running back in the backfield. And you're just like, wait, can we tie some things together here and do that? That's an issue there altogether, but, uh, yeaah, man, did they get pushed around and did Cleveland have their way in the running game? And lastly too on that point is,


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[Assistant] The Chargers intensity as a whole was disappointing. You know, I'm okay if you get run on like the Jets. The Jets still were flying around and f***ing hitting people.


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[Assistant] Man, the Brown, the Chargers were not flying around and hitting anybody. And that was kind of like annoying to me as I was watching the game too. Cleveland's defense ain't very good. They fly around and hit you still though. I didn't question like their effort or their physicality. I just go, man, they're just not made to...


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[Assistant] Stop some of these things, and that's an issue. Uh, but that was a little annoying to me too watching this.


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[Assistant] And that's the, I would say no. They're not. And they're not just, they're just not good enough.


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[Assistant] Jadevion County's good. He's not the Jadevion County we all think of. I mean, there's, there's certain parts of the game where you can go through and you just, you won't even know he's out there. So it's not that big of a difference there. It's not like, whoa, we got him, the day is saved. But the issues in the middle of the defense?


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[Assistant] You know, sometimes Winfrey, the rookie out of Oklahoma, uh, the kid from Ohio State in his second year. What is it? Toga? Uhm, Togaid? Tommy Togaid? I know I'm blanking and I don't have the name in front of me there. But yeah, there's not enough there. And then you talk about small.


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[Assistant] Linebackers? That, that's, that's their issue. I mean, that's where it's like, it's hard to jump on and go, oh, the Chargers got it going offensively now. No, this is the only team the Chargers have been able to run the ball on in three years. It's, it's, I mean, even the years past.


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[Assistant] Like, they run the ball in the Browns, they can't run the ball in anybody else. Uhm, so yes, there is some of those issues there, and it's something they really get to address in the offseason. You know one thing I want to make a point of?


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[Assistant] Like obvi- they got Deion Jones, linebacker, that's good. They traded for him earlier this week. That's uh, that should help some things out. Cause you know, like I said, the linebacker position's an issue and they're too small. But man, I would hope in the off season, they can get another linebacker to go along with Deion Jones. Get a good defensive tackle. And then...


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[Assistant] Can play the game like a linebacker and stop the run game, but also like when we try to run a crosser down the middle, he can cover that guy.


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[Assistant] And to me, that's another thing that they miss out on. They gotta adjust the way they play, but yeaah, they're just all over the place. They can't stop the Ron The Browns defense. They're way too over aggressive. Denzel Ward's not playing as good as he should be playing.


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[Assistant] When they are playing man to man, he's not doing a great job stopping it, and he's had some mental mistakes too, even in their zone coverages. I think it's a little bit of a, uh, but I don't look at it and go, oh man, he's lost a step or anything like that.


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[Assistant] You know, it's just like, yeah, biting on a move, not playing the ball the right way.


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[Assistant] You know, maybe being a little lazy with your eyes. Ooh, I was looking at the slot guide. Oh damn, I let my guy kind of get a step on me. It's like things like that. It's not like physical ability.


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[Assistant] Uh, and then I think when you couple that with not a very good pass rush this year...


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[Assistant] That's their issue too. But there's not any area I look at the Browns defense and go, oh, they're really good at that right now. They have to over commit to help the run defense and, you know, there's too many holes when they play blitz zone behind it to where you can have easy completions throwing the football.


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[Assistant] That'll be a tough task right there. That will be about, I mean that's, that's, that's not what they want to see coming into town.


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[Assistant] Third string quarterback, you do want to see that. Yeaah, sure. But, I know, again, this is a team that, of all the teams that start their third string quarterbacks, this is the one team we all go, eh, does it really matter as much as the other teams? Not really.


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[Assistant] They're gonna find a way to manage the game and play it the right way and the way their run games work in here the last few weeks, they don't have to rely on a quarterback a whole lot. They're, they're playing 2001 Patriot ball right now on that side of the ball. I mean, that Patriots have won what? Six Super Bowls with Tom Brady.


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[Assistant] And uh, they made the right decision by paying him and doing that. And they're finally, you know, I think really this is the first year they're really utilizing him, but he's really good run blocker and he's a pain in the ass in the pass game. He's got tremendous size and athletic ability, so I'm not surprised to hear Bill say that.


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[Assistant] Do some Cowboys Pass Rush, what makes them special.


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[Assistant] So, we'll see, and I'll have to probably eat that one again. Uh, but either way...


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[Assistant] Me and Ahmed, Sunday night, you'll see us pre-game show, post-game show, you're gonna get a full day of Ahmed and Chris, and then Monday we'll be back in the fold to give our reactions podcast, but everybody stay tuned out there, you know, stay, keep


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[Assistant] Keep staying involved with our social media here. We'll get at you. We'll do our best to answer some of these questions on the podcast. But everybody enjoy the games this week. Should be another good one. Week 6 in the NFL. Hope everybody enjoyed the Wednesday What the F happened podcast. Clap it up.


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[Assistant] Thanks for watching, homies. Hit subscribe to see all my Unbuttoned videos. You get to see me, Ahmed Fareed, all the big player breakdowns, game breakdowns, player interviews, and my film analysis. So please subscribe. Chris Sims, Unbuttoned. Peace out.


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[Assistant] Here we go, baby. PFTPM Chris Synthunbutton, week 13, the Joint Megapix podcast. I extended my lead yet again over Christopher last week, 10 and 6 straight up versus 9 and 7. We disagreed on only one game. It came down to the Monday nighter when the Steelers held off the Colts.


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[Assistant] Broncos game. And it went under 36. It was 23 to 10. So last week he was wrong in my favor. This week he's wrong against me. I can't trust any of these numbers anymore, guys. How can we trust them when we catch him every week with a mistake?


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[Assistant] I'm not surprised. And Pete just texted, I didn't take the under. I did take the under. I wouldn't have taken the over. I said during the show, I'd take the under if it was 18. I took the under, not the over. I took the under. 1 and 3. Thank you. Now I feel better.


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[Assistant] Throw it. It was Panthers Broncos, the over under was 36, I took the under and I made the comment that I would take the under if it was half that, although thankfully it wasn't, and I didn't because they scored 33 points.


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[Assistant] I know specifically because I picked the over in the Panthers Ravens game the week before, and it blew up in my face, so I rolled it again, taking the under Panthers Broncos. So, 1 and 3. Wow, I love it. Pete getting crapped on even when he's not producing the show. This is a great show. The only thing, the only thing we need to audit is against the spread. I know the straight up.


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[Assistant] Both of ours. Cause I, I track mine for the picks at PFT and I know what you and I disagree on. So I've got no doubt about the numbers straight up. Against the spread, I have to wonder. Best bets.


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[Assistant] We have to audit every week as we do the show and we've, and look, we love Pete, but hey, you gotta get the best bets right. We got a lot riding on this. We got a lot of pride riding on this. We got a lot of ego riding on this. Listen, I need it.


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[Assistant] I don't like people buying me expensive stuff that I've never had before like you did several years ago because then I develop a taste for it and I have to go buy the expensive stuff. So you like the future because I liked it.


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[Assistant] But it's cost me more money, cause now I gotta go buy the expensive ass tequila. I can't just drink the, uh, El Toro anymore, which actually is real tequila, which I have a bottle of.


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[Assistant] But, hey look, Pete, we're all human, we make mistakes, we're just having fun with you. If we didn't love you, we wouldn't be so candid about it. We don't mean to make you mad, but, uh, but, uh...


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[Assistant] This week, two teams on a bye. The Cardinals and the Panthers, everybody else in the pool. All odds provided by Bet MGM. We start with Thursday Night Football. The Buffalo Bills taking on the New England Patriots. The Bills a three and a half point road. Favorites the over under is 43 and a half. New England has lost four straight games when they were home underdogs, including week three against Baltimore this season. Chris, who do you have?


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[Assistant] An issue we didn't get to on PFT Live earlier today which I think is very important. The Bills went through several days of extreme distraction and they emerged from it with 2-1. That's right, Mike. They had to go to Detroit for the home game and they beat


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[Assistant] The Browns there and then they had to go back on a short week and they beat the Lions again and it was a close game. They needed that great throw and catch between Josh Allen and Stefan Diggs to set up the game winning field goal. So now that they've had a week


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[Assistant] The 10 days you usually get after playing on a Thursday, they get the 10 days on the backend in advance of their game against the Jets. But they've had a full week to settle down, to get back into a routine.


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[Assistant] And, and I think that helps them. And also, Chris, I think you're right on the money. The Patriots offense not nearly as good.


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[Assistant] New England defense, which as you said, has looked very good against inept offenses.


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[Assistant] It was shredded for 33 points by the Vikings, which was held to three points four days earlier by the Cowboys. So I just think when it comes down to it, the Bills.


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[Assistant] I'm kind of hoping for a more exciting game. I don't want it to be 10 points. I'd like it to be close. I'd like it to be a little like last Thursday night, which was a fun game to watch and very exciting. It requires the Patriots to step up offensively.


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[Assistant] Maybe they can, but defensively I just don't think they can match what the Bills are going to be able to do, especially now that they've settled down after the stuff that went on with the snowstorm.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's move on to Sunday, one o'clock. Falcon Steelers, they've had in recent...


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[Assistant] Meetings over the past 20 years. Some barn burners between them. Now the rosters are far different now than they were when they had those great games. But this one could get interesting. The Steelers one point favorites.


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[Assistant] Coming off of the win in Indianapolis, having to travel yet again, the Falcons home after almost beating the commanders, and the Falcons more alive than the Steelers right now as the playoff chase goes because the NFC South is so bad. Do the Falcons get to 6-7, Chris?


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[Assistant] I never count them out and Mike Tomlin has never had a losing season in his entire time with the Pittsburgh Steelers. They have to win a lot of game down the stretch to get to nine and eight. They already have seven losses. But I believe in the Steelers in this one. There's just something about this team.


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[Assistant] They won that game on Monday night. Kenny Pickett is getting better before our eyes. This is one of the benefits of throwing a rookie into the fire. He gets better week in and week out. He sees things. He experiences things. The game begins to slow down. I was most impressed more than anything else he did on Monday night by the two point conversion.


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[Assistant] Looked a little bit like Joe Montana in the catch rolling right. Little more athleticism and speed and burst than Montana ever had. Throwing that ball that threaded the needle right at the corner to George Pickens to put them up by 7 points.


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[Assistant] With, you know, time left for the Colts to do something. And thanks to the defense, they couldn't. And that's the thing. It's about balance. The offense is good enough. The defense is still great.


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[Assistant] And you put the two together, they can find a way to win. And I think they're better on paper than the Falcons, and I think they can go in there and handle the Atlanta Falcons and get themselves to five and seven.


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[Assistant] Ravens get swept by the Steelers and they may miss the playoffs again. And I think the Steelers are good enough to be a problem for everyone they play, starting with the Falcons. So, I've got...


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[Assistant] 27-20. Steelers win. Your score is 21-17. We both picked the Steelers to win and to cover. Let's move on to the next one. I mentioned the Ravens. They've got the Broncos.


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[Assistant] Coming to town, the Ravens after blowing a nine point lead to the Jaguars are eight and a half point favorites at home against Denver over under of 38 and a half. It's the lowest of the week. Three of the last four games, the Broncos have had the lowest over under of


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[Assistant] The weak. Chris, do the ravens take that sour taste out of their mouth from what happened to them in Jacksonville last weekend?


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[Assistant] I've got a part of me that gets intrigued by the possibility of all of the heat that Russell Wilson has been facing and the talk about the birthday party and has he lost the locker room. That's the kind of thing that could maybe galvanize the team.


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[Assistant] And then, I think back to everything we've seen so far this year, I don't think any of it matters. I mean, there's still a team that is overmatched.


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[Assistant] Whatever the reason. They got plenty of excuses they can line up. Injuries, etc. I just don't think that they can do it and I think they are very close to falling apart. They had done a good job of not


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[Assistant] Losing by more than one score in any game until they lost 23-10 to the Panthers this past weekend. I've got 20-6 in this one. The Ravens desperately need it.


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[Assistant] The Broncos know what their fate is, they know who they are, they know what they are, and I think they're just trying to punch the final six tickets and get to the end of the season.


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[Assistant] So they can figure out what the hell they're gonna do and what they're gonna try to be come 2023. So I think the Ravens win this one. It should be easy if they're truly a good team. And, and I, I, I look at it this way.


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[Assistant] It's hard to call yourself a good team when you blow a 9 point lead against a bad team. And the Jaguars all in all are a bad team. They've got potential to be better and you've believed in them, but they've fallen down more than they've managed to stand up.


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[Assistant] For the Ravens to blow that lead, that takes them down a major peg. You know, we were both thinking they were starting to get that Super Bowl shine to them with Roaquin Smith, the defense is fixed, they're getting better.


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[Assistant] They've taken a step back. They need to reestablish themselves. They've got more work to do. But they blow this one, Chris, and they are, they are a team that we look at and say, you may not make it to the round of 14.


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[Assistant] From a game where one team is done to a game where both teams are done, the Packers at the Bears, Green Bay as a 4.5 point favorite, Aaron Rodgers,


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[Assistant] You dig down deep and you access some level of pride and you find a way after the last two losses that we saw in standalone prime time games. I've got them winning this game 30 to 20, regardless of whether it's Justin Fields, Trevor Simeon.


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[Assistant] Nathan Peterman or Jim McMahon, I don't care. I think the Packers win the game.


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[Assistant] We'll move on to the next game. The Detroit Lions still very much alive in either the hunt for a wild card berth and technically alive in the chase for the NFC North title, but they are getting very close to the end of the road. The Jaguars come to town as one point favorites over the Detroit Lions.


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[Assistant] After the Lions have, yeaah, we are not the same old Lions, that spread is disrespectful to the Detroit Lions. Over under 51 and a half, Chris, you have picked Jacksonville against this spread in all but one game this season. Are you picking Jacksonville to cover that one point spread this time?


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[Assistant] I've got 27, 24, but I'm taking it the other way. I think the Detroit Lions who had won three in a row.


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[Assistant] Before losing to the Bills. The Bills. In a game that was very tight, very close, it was down to the wire. The Lions aren't ready to give up. I don't know that they're ready to sneak into the playoffs.


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[Assistant] But boy, if they could get in, they could be dangerous. That old school mentality from Dan Campbell is starting to click. And I just think that, you know, the Jaguars got their win for the month. I mean, there's just something about the Jaguars. I said earlier in the week that Trevor Lawrence and really the whole team, they're the kid that periodically brings home straight A's, but otherwise is barely passing.


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[Assistant] I need to see them with straight A's more often than once a year as a school calendar would go to make me believe that they've figured it out. So I've just got more faith in the Lions right now. I'll take them to win that one 27-24. So same score by both of us, just different teams. Alright, the Browns at the Texans. Browns are 7 point favorites.


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[Assistant] At Houston, which is 1-7-1. And Chris, I'm gonna go first on this because you almost convinced me to change my pick when we talked about this a little bit.


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[Assistant] Earlier in PFT Live. I thought I might. I almost, I almost went from the Browns to the Texans. I almost did. But then I sat down and thought about it and, you know, it's kinda like the Broncos where


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[Assistant] Hey, you may have a reason to get fired up, but still at the end of the day, you're not good enough to make a difference. And I think the Texans may be fired up about seeing Deshaun Watson, but at the end of the day, they're just not good enough to make a difference. And I don't think there's enough guys in that locker room who give a shit. I mean, Damien Pearce doesn't care. A lot of these guys never played with Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] So, I just don't think it matters. I think the Browns are the better team.


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[Assistant] And Deshaun Watson may look a little rusty, maybe they go run heavy with Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt and try to let Deshaun Watson build some confidence with maybe some short passes and just


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[Assistant] Get a lead and just kind of go methodical but I think they will. I think the Browns win this one 24-10 at the end of the day just because the Texans aren't good enough and we've seen signs in recent weeks of the Texans falling apart. They shot their shot against the Eagles in that Thursday night game a few weeks back and since then it just feels like they're disintegrating and it continues on Sunday.


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[Assistant] And based on what we saw on PFT live with Jacoby Brissette blocking downfield, maybe they should get him on the field as a fullback to help with that running game. They're not going to use him as quarterback anymore. All right, let's move on to the next one. Uh oh.


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[Assistant] Jets and the Vikings, the Vikings three point favorites at home against the Mike White led New York Jets and over under a forty four and a half. Chris, I'll let you have the first word on this one as White and company try to take the Vikings down to nine and three.


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[Assistant] There's been a shift in the Vikings offense where it used to be they had to run the ball and run it effectively to really get the passing game going, to take heat off of Kirk Cousins, but the offensive line has performed better, and even with Christian Derasaw out last week in the concussion protocol, and he was still in the protocol as of Wednesday, they did


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[Assistant] Well enough. They limited cousins to taking only one sack and I feel like they can still work the passing game now even if the running game isn't there and Dalvin Cook hasn't had the same burst that we've seen in the past.


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[Assistant] Alexander Madison in some respects has caught Dalvin Cook and it makes you wonder what they're going to do come next year. Madison's due to become a free agent. Could it be that Cook is, is reaching the end of the line in Minnesota? I haven't heard that.


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[Assistant] We know how it goes with running backs. So, the point is, the Vikings offense can operate even if the run game isn't there. And I don't think the run game will be there against the Jets. The question is, can Kirk Cousins continue to look comfortable? Can he step up in the pocket and take that check down with authority, not with panic? That was, it was just that, there was a different feeling from him


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[Assistant] A, being able to study the whole game on Thursday night, watch it as it unfolded, there was a confidence, almost a borderline swagger. And he also has that downfield threat that he's willing to trust the 50-50 balls to Justin Jefferson. He catches them and he holds on to them when he slams his body against the ground. That's going to be the real test. We saw Bill Belichick


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[Assistant] Pull out the game with a late touchdown or holding off Mike White with an interception, something where the defense steps up or the offense steps up late in the game. The only way to kill the Vikings is to blow them out like the Eagles and the Cowboys did. So Vikings 24, Jets 20. Commanders at the Giants. Washington is a two and a half point road favorite.


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[Assistant] You want the Giants to win, you're picking the Commanders to beat them. Well, I am gonna go against you on this. I think this is just one of those games where the Giants settle down and find a way. Brian Dayball can draw enough good out of what happened last Thursday against the Cowboys. Four days after the Cowboys,


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[Assistant] Kick the shit out of the Vikings. The Giants kept it close, the Giants kept it interesting until, you know, kind of in the fourth quarter and the Cowboys began to pull away until the Giants did the damn back door cover.


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[Assistant] And screw both of us on our Thanksgiving best bet. Thanks for nothing, Giants.


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[Assistant] I just, I think that the Giants understand their playoff.


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[Assistant] But I just think the Giants at home, this is one of those where I get the home team the edge. Giants at home.


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[Assistant] They may, they still may not make it, but they're not gonna die.


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[Assistant] On the hill that is arriving on Sunday when the commanders come to town. Alright, one more in the early window. Titans at the Eagles. What a great game. Woo!


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[Assistant] And especially with the Titans losing to the Bengals, a game that we both thought they would win.


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[Assistant] The Titans are five and a half point underdogs at Philadelphia. Eagles have not looked spectacular in recent weeks. Yeah, they were up 14 points a couple of different times against the Packers, but it still felt like they were trying to blow it. And for all those rushing yards, 336, it wasn't the blowout it should have been.


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[Assistant] Can the Titans, can the Titans pull it off? Can they go into Philly, shock the Eagles, and send them to 10 and 2, Chris?


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[Assistant] There's been a few disagreements so far this week because I am doing it. I am taking the Titans. You're gonna do it. CJ Gardner Johnson I think hurts the Eagles. Traylon Burks is stepping up, getting it done for Tennessee. I don't think the Eagles are gonna be able to bottle up Derrick Henry the way that the Bengals did. And there's gonna be


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[Assistant] Uh, and uh, you know, maybe the eagles, maybe the eagles look past them a little bit. Maybe there's a mindset, uh, you know, the titans, you know, everybody thinks the titans aren't very good. I don't know what it is about the titans where people don't take them seriously, but I think they can go in and they can get it done.


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[Assistant] Intricate. Intricate. I'm doubting what the right word is. Intricate Mathematical Model has devised over the years. 28-23. A lot of factors go into it. I tweak it all the time. I started off with a Commodore 64 back in 1985. And, uh, Matt Kason wants me to shut up. Oh, look, it's in the holiday music commercial.


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[Assistant] All right, PFTP, I'm Chris Simms on Button Week 13. Let's get to the late afternoon games. Two, not very impactful. Two, very impactful. First in the non-impactful. Seahawks traveling to Los Angeles to take on the Rams. The Rams have fallen apart. All of their star players except for Jalen Ramsey.


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[Assistant] Is out and maybe out for longer than a week or two. Seahawks desperately in need of a win. They're seven and a half point favorites at LA over under a 41. Chris, who do you like?


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[Assistant] We have never seen a team fall apart this quickly after winning a Super Bowl. The other two comparable times were after or during strike shortened seasons after winning Super Bowls. It was the Giants in 87, it was the 49ers in 82. This is bad and I just think


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[Assistant] It's, it's just over, and I don't know if they can even muster the will to give a shit at this point. Seahawks 34, Rams 20, too many injuries, and too close to winning a Super Bowl to really dig deep and play for pride. Alright.


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[Assistant] Chargers at the Raiders. Raiders with a couple of wins in a row. Looking pretty good. Beat the Seahawks in overtime last week. Chargers finally getting in the win column after losing a couple of primetime games. LA is a 1.5 point favorite at Las Vegas with an over-under of 50.5. Who do you got?


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[Assistant] Damn, I haven't been keeping track of the disagreements this week. I've got the charges in this one 24.


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[Assistant] I think that that win at Arizona on the walk off two point conversion gives the Chargers a little kick in the ass, a little belief.


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[Assistant] I think that this Josh Jacobs calf injury is real now. He pulled it together and played last week, but he, he kind of, kind of wore out the leg with the 303 yards from scrimmage. I don't know that he can have the same game again. I also think.


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[Assistant] I also think the Seahawks took them lightly. The Seahawks had the break.


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[Assistant] After losing to the Buccaneers, I think the Seahawks overlooked the Raiders. I think they thought it was going to be easier, and they put too many eggs in the Stop Devante Adams basket, and they got burned by Josh Jacobs. I don't think the Chargers are going to fall victim to that, and I think they've got the defense to do a better job against the Raiders than the Seahawks did. So I've got 24-20. Alright, two significant late afternoon games. This one is going to get tucked.


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[Assistant] into the 405pm eastern window and seen in a limited part of the country. The Miami Dolphins at the 49ers, Super Bowl XIX rematch. 49ers are four point favorites. The great offense versus the great defense. How do you see it playing out? Over, under, also by the way, a 46 and a half.


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[Assistant] I've got 24-21, same outcome. I just feel like when great defense meets great offense, the defense has.


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[Assistant] The advantage. It reminds me of Super Bowl XIX, where the Dolphins had the high-flying unstoppable Dan Marino offense. The 49ers were balanced, just like these 49ers, and it was a laugh. Or what was it, like 38-19? Was that the final score? You're the historian that knows all the Super Bowl scores. 38-16, MVP Joe Montana.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and uh, you probably weren't happy about that because you wanted it to be Giants over the Dolphins MVP.


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[Assistant] Alright, Chiefs at the Bengals, rematch of the AFC Championship game. The Bengals beat the Chiefs twice last year, regular season and post season. This time around, the Chiefs are 2.5 point favorites at what used to be Paul Brown Stadium. I can't remember what


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[Assistant] It shows you how these naming rights really remember you. I don't know if it's money well spent when you can't remember what the place is called. Whatever the place is called in Cincinnati is where they'll be playing. 52 and a half is the over under. Chris, do the Bengals get to three in a row over Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs?


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[Assistant] Are unlikely to run the table. They've been very good. But you know, they kinda screwed around with the Rams last weekend. They barely covered the spread. It felt like for a long time they weren't going to.


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[Assistant] They've been down in some of these games. They've had to work their magic to come back. There's just something about the Bengals.


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[Assistant] And they've got the number of the Kansas City Chiefs and they have extra swagger when they play the Chiefs. Plenty of teams out there are intimidated by the Chiefs. The Bengals, for whatever reason,


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[Assistant] They're not. They have a level of confidence against the Chiefs that the Chiefs usually have against everyone else. That's what's stunning to me. You bring back Jamar Chase and you look at how they've been winning without Chase. All of a sudden Chase is back.


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[Assistant] If they get Joe Mixon back as well, and we don't know whether or not he's gonna be good to go, he had the concussion that knocked him out last week, they get both of those guys back, it's a different ballgame.


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[Assistant] And again, they're very confident. They're very loose. Everyone expects them to lose their home underdogs. And I guarantee you, they're going to be hearing about that in the locker room. They've just got


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[Assistant] They've got that edge to them that I think makes a difference. And they're the one team in the AFC that should have had a bullseye on their back all year long. It's worked out perfectly for them.


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[Assistant] No one's really taking them seriously, and even if they win this one, I don't think people are gonna take them seriously. I got 2723. Bengals win, and we'll see how that goes.


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[Assistant] So do you want to, do you want to change your pick? Is that what you're saying? Last chance. No, I do not, I do not want to change. No, I'm not changing.


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[Assistant] We'll see. We got two more games too. Maybe we'll disagree on eight by the time it's all said and done. We'll do the prime time game right after this. I hope so.


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[Assistant] Cults at Cowboys. 11 points. Not 11 and a half yet. 11 points. The Cowboys are favored. 43 and a half over under. Chris, who do you like in that one?


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[Assistant] 17 cowboys. Look, the Colts did a nice job of neutralizing TJ Watt on Monday night. I was surprised. You hardly heard his name. I think the only time he was mentioned was when he was losing a shoe, but, but I don't think they're going to be able to.


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[Assistant] Keep Micah Parsons in check, and I think they're gonna have a long day, and it's gonna be a long night for the Colts. 31-17 Cowboys. Alright, Monday Night Football. Even though both teams are under 500, it's a significant game. We've seen the Saints have great luck against the Buccaneers now, especially with Tom Brady at quarterback.


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[Assistant] Tampa Bay won back in week two, the game that got Mike Evans suspended the following week. Bruce Arians on the sideline instigating. This time around, it's in Tampa Bay. Both teams desperate to win and stay alive in the NFC South. Tampa Bay's in better position, obviously. They're three and a half point favorites. Do you like the Bucs to beat the Saints and complete the sweep, Chris?


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[Assistant] Best bets time, or worst bets as the case may be, we both suck at this this year. I think we're really at a spot where we should pick our bets and flip them.


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[Assistant] Because we would be doing great if we would have done that all year long. We're gonna try though to get them right. Chris, you're up first. Give me one against the spreader and over or under that you like.


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[Assistant] I consider doing it, but I'm still not gonna do it. I like to save my best bets for Sunday and Monday. I'm gonna start with the Ravens getting eight and a half, and I know that's dangerous because it's a big spread, but the Broncos suck.


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[Assistant] Sorry, it's true. Broncos fans know it, they can't score points, and the Ravens are gonna be pissed off after what happened to them in Jacksonville. Ravens win 20-6, cover the spread. What else you got?


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[Assistant] That's the only one that I feel good about out of all of our best bets, so I'm on the Packers as well for the reasons you said. Give me your last one.


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[Assistant] You do that every once in a while, where you make a best bet. The underdog getting points, even though you picked the favorite to win straight up. Gutsy move. I've got the Buccaneers on Monday night.


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[Assistant] It's Chris Sims unbuttoned. It's episode 418. I can't believe that. It's Wednesday, November 2nd.


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[Assistant] No Ahmed Fareed here. As you can see, if you're watching this on YouTube, that big head that's next to me right now is the guy that gave me this big head. So it just fits well. It's just the way it should be. Oh yeah, there he goes. He backed away. So it looks so much smaller now, but it is going to be a full day of the Sims family.


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[Assistant] Uh, today we're gonna recap kind of the league, the first half of the year, give more some general thoughts of things we think are going on around the league and kind of how we see maybe things finishing up towards the end of the season. So, uh, dad, what's up, man? How are you? Thanks for joining me today.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Yeah. Well, the four yard completion is a friend to every quarterback. We know that some like it a little too much. Uh, maybe for my liking right now in the football, like AKA my favorite quarterback Aaron Rodgers, but we'll talk about that as we go down the line here. All the other thing is I'm, I'm actually like astounded.


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[Assistant] You told me zoom wasn't working. I don't even know how that's not possible or how that's possible. And then I know your assistant Nicole's not there. And I just went, well, there's no way dad's going to figure this out. So if she's not there, it's broken. Yeah. It's broken until she gets there, but way to go there. Old timer. What'd he get it done?


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, they're expensive. They definitely are. So, and then, and then also to start the show, I got to let everybody know. So everybody on social media knows. I mean, first off tomorrow, big birthday for, for big Phil. I just, I can't believe it. It's going to, you're going to be 67 years old, 67. You don't look 67.


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[Assistant] That's even worse. She's, she might be worse. You're right. I don't know if the word will get to her in time. So we'll see. All right. Last thing here before we get into real business and football talk Halloween.


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[Assistant] Halloween at dad's house, your house is always amazing. Word has gotten out in New Jersey that you spoil kids with crazy candy and you usually have a line out the door.


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[Assistant] Well you must have chalked it up at 8 o'clock though. I mean Brown's bangles came on. I can't imagine you were walking to the door too many more times there to give out the candy.


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[Assistant] Alright, well, we'll get into that a little later on. I think we'll hit on both of those teams. I think Cleveland's, you know, I think you would agree with this is a little bit better than their record. They've messed up some games by themselves where I don't think they're, you know, they shouldn't be a three and five football team, at least in my estimation.


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[Assistant] Damn dad, I don't know, I talked to you last Friday night.


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[Assistant] And I know you were, you were the one telling me going, you know, everybody's fooled by this bangles thing. Yeah. They won two games in a row and everyone thinks they're, you know, back on track. And you were, you were the one saying like, they're not back on track. There's still a lot of things that concern me. And I think we're both in agreement there that there's some issues on that offensive side of the ball.


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[Assistant] No, definitely not. Big plays are tricking people there with the Cincinnati. It was two weeks in a row. It was the Falcons the week before that. It was the New Orleans Saints. So everybody sees the highlights and they go, they're back and they're not back, obviously. But all right, let's dive into the league here a little bit. Mid-season state of the league conversation, right? Last year, 2021, we saw


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, it's trade deadline. That's the first place I'd like to start because last year we saw Bond Miller, right? Get, get traded right before the trade deadline to the Rams and it was a huge jump off point for them to win the Superbowl and get them over the top.


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[Assistant] Alright, so this year, you know, I know you know the trades that went down. Out of the marquee ones, the big moves, right?


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[Assistant] What do you think is the Von Miller trade, the trade that excites you the most that you think puts a team over the top or changes them the most and, you know, gives them a better chance of getting to the Super Bowl when all is said and done.


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[Assistant] I mean, I wouldn't be shocked or at least that it comes at some point here in the near future, but I'm with you there too.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think so too. They could have used a pass rusher, but I bet you Bradley Chubb was probably a little too expensive for them as far as what they had to give up to get him. I'm sure they didn't love that. I think it's the second best option. I'm, I'm with you dad. I thought this was an amazing, it's a, it's a pretty good run stopping defensive line.


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[Assistant] And now you got, they're a team that, okay, doesn't rush the passer, but they are slowly but surely finding ways to.


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[Assistant] Get after the quarterback with creative blitzes, blitz one, drop one guy, blitz two, drop one guy, whatever. So they have created pressure that way. And then I just think you and me are both a believer in


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[Assistant] You know, really, right? And now you got him and Patrick Queen, you just go, okay, you know, if they don't have blockers on them at the second level, they're going to be all over the ball every play, let alone they're athletic and good in pass coverage. So I think it does help a lot of their issues with their team. And I'm guessing you agree with that.


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[Assistant] I know. I think they're turning in the right direction. And I also think, you know, I want to bring up another one that you brought up with Bradley Chubb, cause I think you hit on a good point there with Miami. Miami, and I said this to Florio this morning,


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[Assistant] I don't know, I mean I guess I'm a little like you where I look at them and go they're too talented to be.


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[Assistant] Let me make sure I get this right, the 23rd ranked defense in football right now. At least that's the way I look at it. I look at them and go, how could this group be 23rd in football? And I think their big problem is,


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[Assistant] Second half, they dial it back a little bit. Detroit has a hard time moving. So I know they can't rush the passer either. So that's where I think they do this with Bradley Chubb.


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[Assistant] To get a front four now with him and Jaylen Phillips and Raekwon Davis in the middle, you know, with Christian Wilkins, where they don't have to do crazy, creative, over-aggressive stuff on the defensive side of the ball. At least that's the way I see it. What about you?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I hear you. I think, you know, I think everybody was a little surprised by that. I don't know what their logic is either. Either they just feel like they weren't going to be able to pay him or didn't want to pay him the amount of money they thought it was going to take.


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[Assistant] You know, they do have, you know, Barrett Browning, who's been pretty special as far as a pass rusher. Maybe they look at him. They drafted a kid, Nick Benito, out of Oklahoma, right? So I'm guessing they're going, hey, we like some of these guys and we just paid Russell a huge contract.


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[Assistant] Bradley Chubb who's been hurt a decent amount in his career, maybe they just didn't feel comfortable about paying him top tier pass rusher money. At least that's how I connected the dots. I don't know that, but I'm just trying to use some logic and put myself in their shoes.


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[Assistant] Right, right. McCaffrey, just hit on that. Like what, what did you, when you first saw McCaffrey getting traded there, what did you like? What'd you think it did for the 49er team?


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[Assistant] Alright, well that's a good jump off spot here, cause I think that's a, the 49ers were three and five last year, right? We saw them make a run and almost get to the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Uh, and, and, you know, to answer that question, I, I do think they're a team that, you know, has gone through maybe the worst little injury spell out of everybody. You know, yeah. When you talk about no Javon Kenlaw and no, uh, uh, Eric Armstead.


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[Assistant] And, you know, they've dealt with some issues in the secondary, uh, some offensive line issues. I think we're going to, I think after this bye week, we start to see the real 49er team, but that's where I want to go here, dad, like out of the teams right now. And maybe it is the 49ers that answer this question. It's like, who's this year's.


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[Assistant] You know, on the edge of the playoffs right now, or maybe out of the playoffs, right, that you look at to go, ooh, don't sleep on them. You know, this is a team that can make some, some big time, you know,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I hear you. They do. They got enough studs everywhere on the football field. They're never going to be mismatched by any team they play in the NFL. I think that's the bottom line there. Like the vice versa of that dad.


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[Assistant] And I want to ask you about a few teams really too, but just the vice versa of that conversation of, okay, who's last year's 49ers team, right? Who came out of nowhere. All right. Who's the team that you look at to be, let's just say for lack of a better way to phrase it, this year's Arizona Cardinal team, right? Last year, seven and one.


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[Assistant] Uh, at this point of the year, you're thinking, oh my gosh, they might be a number one seed.


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[Assistant] Oh, they barely get into the playoffs. And then of course it's a quick exit. You know, is there a team out there? There's a lot of talk about teams like the Vikings. Are they really six and one? Is there one that jumps out to you that you go, I'm not sure about it, or I could see them falling apart a little down the stretch.


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[Assistant] They are in as we talk, but it's alright. The jets are five and three in the five seed right now. The giants are six and two in the six seed right now as it stands.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm with you too. And I, you know, it's hard.


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[Assistant] And maybe we could flush this out to put our, put my, you know, finger on exactly what gives me that feeling. That's, I think, you know, it's like you said, I watch it every week. Oh, hey, they won, but there's nothing I love about them.


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[Assistant] You know, and that's where, you know, there's a team like, let's just say the Baltimore Ravens. They're five and three. I have way more faith in them from Minnesota right now. Maybe this is what it is. Baltimore has shown


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[Assistant] There's been quarters and parts of games this year against really good teams that


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[Assistant] They're, they can play at a high level and be dominant and really go, you can go, wow, this is impressive.


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[Assistant] Whether it's the second half against the Bucs, you know, what they did against the Bills up 20 to 3, you know, and, you know, I know they lost, but they've shown, you know, many points during the year of being a dominant football team. They've made some mistakes at the end of games that I look at to be correctable mistakes, but maybe that's what it is with Minnesota. We haven't seen like,


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[Assistant] That period of a game or, or the majority of a game where we go, oh, they just, they're dominating right here. It kind of seems to be good, but never great.


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[Assistant] And then it's a little bit of a hang on. And then of course the schedule is falling the right way with them as well. And I think that's why I'm with you two there. I just don't, I don't, I don't, I'm not sold on Minnesota either as being dominant. They might make the playoffs, but I'd be shocked if it's like as the one or two seed. That's what I guess I'm saying.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, I hear you. Alright, so alright, let's dive into a few other things here. You know, I love to play like this time of the year a little bit about like,


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[Assistant] Who can actually win the Super Bowl? This is, this is like, like teams where you look at it and just go like legitimately. We know there's a lot of teams here that can make the playoffs that are on the outside looking in and all of that.


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[Assistant] I don't know, this is the time of the year where I always feel like, wait, I, I can...


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[Assistant] And more years than not, I mean, and I, I stand corrected if anybody can research it out there to say I was wrong about these. I feel like you could almost narrow it down to like the four or five teams, six teams where you go, no, no, no. They, these are the teams that can win the Super Bowl. Everybody else, yeah, they can maybe be annoying in the playoffs or do that.


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[Assistant] You know, and that's where, I guess, let's play that game for lack of a better way to do this here. Who do you kind of look at as the top teams in football in Phil Simms' eyes right now?


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[Assistant] Well, that's a team that you, it sounds like we should have put in the conversation of like the team that's on the outside and comes out of nowhere here and could maybe be a pain in the ass. That is what you're saying, which I don't disagree with. I would say this.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so that's where, you wouldn't put them in the, you know, I wouldn't want to mess with them in the playoff conversation there.


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[Assistant] But you just don't think, yeah, you don't think they got enough to, to get to the super bowl as it stands right now is, is kind of what you're saying. It scares you and it's too Derrick Henry dependent.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I hear you. That's scary. And the fact that there's no wide receiver that can ever take pressure off the offense and rip off a 30 or 40 yard gain. You know, the defense has been playing really good.


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[Assistant] They're scary good against the run. The D line is starting to look like we thought it would look like at the start of the year, even without Harold Landry. Uh, they're, they're one to, we'll see. Maybe when they get Traylon Burks back, Tannehill gets back, maybe they can start to get somewhat of a pass the offense together and, and be a little bit more balanced or dangerous that way. All right. So wait. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I haven't heard anything yet either. There has been nothing about it yet. So, uh, yeaah. We might get an update here before the show is over and I'll let you know. Alright, so as it stands right now.


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[Assistant] Alright, you, you, the Super Bowl teams you talked about. Chiefs, Bills, Cowboys, Eagles, 49ers. Right? Those are teams you looked at that you go, I think can all be.


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[Assistant] We did not add the Baltimore Ravens. Would you put them in that conversation? Cause I would. I think they have enough to get there and do it.