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[Assistant] A lot of the things that, that I was thinking, I'm sure a lot of people are thinking out there as well. Uhm, because do, yeah, do I think that Drew Brees is a racist? No. Do I think that he's for police brutality? No. Do I think that he thinks all people should have a fair shot out there and be treated equally? Yes, I do think that. Like you mentioned, Drew Brees is a, is a good guy. I don't think there's evil to his core, but I think


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[Assistant] His problem was that he was oblivious. Like you said, oblivious to the bigger fight out there. Because it's always been, it's always been, and I was in San Francisco when Colin Kaepernick was kneeling, so I was right there in the middle of it all.


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[Assistant] If Colin Kaepernick was, you know, spitting on the flag and double birding during the protest, there would be people that say, okay, that crossed a line.


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[Assistant] Well, if that's the case, then we do have to be respectful that some people do believe that taking a knee perhaps crossed the line as well.


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[Assistant] But that's a totally separate conversation and in the grand scheme of things, there's a whole lot less at stake with that conversation because if someone protests the flag or does a protest using the flag in a way that you don't like,


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[Assistant] It may hurt your feelings. It may make you feel uncomfortable, but that's the extent of it. And I think that's what Drew Brees missed here is that there's such a larger conversation going on with much higher stakes for the black community for, for people's lives right now. And that's the conversation.


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[Assistant] Everyone is having that, unfortunately, Drew Brees in that moment was not having.


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[Assistant] Yeah, empathy. That is a word that I think we've heard from, from everyone out there. Have some empathy for people that maybe don't look like you or have had different experiences than you. And so, you know, we need more empathy and I would encourage people that


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[Assistant] As I said, we talked for two hours with Mike and so you can check out those videos on, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, white privilege doesn't mean you have to feel guilty for being white. It doesn't mean that your life has been easy. It just means that the color of your skin


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[Assistant] Didn't make it harder. And so I think, as you just illustrated so well right there, is that there were many times where, you know, people's lives are not easy.


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[Assistant] But the color of their skin made their lives harder. And that's what a lot of people are trying to get, uh, to get us to see. Well, like I said, we, we, we talked about this, um, uh, with all things to check that out. Chris is a podcast with Mike is very passionate about the subject.


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[Assistant] As well. All right, we've got Bill, Big Phil calling in in just a second here. Chris, let's take a look at where we are so far.


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[Assistant] In your top 40 quarterback countdown as we make the hard right turn, uh, to talk about, uh, some football here in your rankings. Uh, so there we have Andy Dalton was the last one you ranked 27. We're going to go through 26, uh, all the way to 23. So we've got four more to highlight here. And Chris, I don't know if you're aware of this or not.


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[Assistant] But, uh, there's a Twitter follower out there, HAH. So obviously we're keeping track of your current list. HAH has been keeping track of the list from last year and comparing it to this year, he is taking notes as you go. That's my man.


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[Assistant] Not a total idiot. No one ever argued you were a total idiot. Just the percentage is what we argue about from time to time. Uh, let's get some reaction from the homies out there. We got two. Uh, this one's about Andy Dalton who you had at 27.


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[Assistant] Some questions about Gardner Minshew at 30, this one coming from...


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[Assistant] Yeah, like, like Nick Foles last year when he was the guy, it's supposed to be the guy there in Jacksonville. Think of how different it is for him coming into Chicago where everyone's like, yeah, you should take over. This guy's the guy. Get him in there. We're in Jacksonville. Everyone's thinking, oh, this guy is not worth what we, what we paid him. Context doesn't matter.


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[Assistant] On the phone right now, we got Big Phil and he's Big Phil, you're coming at a perfect time because we're about to reveal producer Pete's top five facial hair rankings for quarterbacks currently in the NFL. How happy are you?


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[Assistant] It's a top five. You're going to get to hear it live right here. Cause this came from a Pete, Pete Hanning, another one of our Twitter followers who said, Gardner mentioned you maybe 30 in Chris's list, but number one.


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[Assistant] In mustache swagger. So we're gonna find out right now, producer Pete put together the top five list and Chris, you and I know this very well. When we leave Pete in charge of stuff like this, often it gets a little, a little messed up. Probably gonna be a disaster.


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[Assistant] With top, uh, top hair of the decade, he had Eric Weddle as number one.


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[Assistant] Uh, in top hair of the decade and later on, he told me he meant to put him number 10, but didn't label which was which. And so it got all messed up, but that's, that's neither here nor there at this point. We'll never bring that up again. So number five. Oh, honorable mention first for Pete is Jimmy Garoppolo stubble because it's so dreamy. So he's putting stubble in the category of facial hair.


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[Assistant] As dreamy as he is, he's still not in the top five. Number five, he has Aaron Rodgers and he clarifies that it's better in the off season as we're seeing right here when he goes mustache only and cowboy hat for Aaron Rodgers.


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[Assistant] Jalen Hurts comes in at number four. So wow, hasn't even stepped foot on a football field, but he's got Jalen Hurts. He said best goatee in the league. He hasn't even played a game so far.


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[Assistant] All right, keep going. It goes legs, ass, facial hair. Those are the top three for a person in a quarterback rankings.


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[Assistant] Uh, number three, Baker Mayfield. Uh, he says the mustache only or the goatee he went with both last year. Pete does not like the creepy trench coat though, so take off the trench coat, but the facial hair gives him number three. Number two.


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[Assistant] Uh, number two, Ryan Fitzpatrick. This is tough to argue with. Best beard, and certainly, certainly the most substantial beard, Phil.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm interested too. So number one in Pete Dimalimalimalitis top five current hair, facial hair power rankings for current quarterbacks in the NFL. That's the official title. Number one is Gardner Minshew. Gardner Minshew gets the number one with the little, what is that? That's a sole patch right below the mustache.


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[Assistant] All right, Chris, to wrap up the hair segment, Pete wanted me to pepper you with one final question, just your instant gut reaction.


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[Assistant] He asked you, Chris, if you needed to wear one for the rest of your life, what would you choose? Gardner Menchus stash and shaggy hair or Ryan Fitzpatrick's beard with cleaner top? You're a fan of the clean top, Chris.


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[Assistant] Two good points that I had not thought of previously. Alright, so, so Phil, there's a, there's a trivia question I want to ask you about, but I think I want to save that to the end when we say goodbye to you. Do you want to get into the, the...


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[Assistant] As well in Cincinnati, so there, there's some weapons for Joe Burrow. I'm curious because both of you, and I've heard you talk about this extensively, the tool of the arm strength for a quarterback. And Chris, you admitted that you didn't have the strongest arm strength of any quarterback coming out, although it was the cleanest film that you said you'd ever seen, perhaps from a quarterback in college.


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[Assistant] Why is the lack of arm strength not as much of a concern for you, for Joe Burrow, than it might be for some other quarterbacks?


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[Assistant] So Chris, real quick, what do you think the floor is for Joe Burrow as far as all-time Cincinnati Bengals quarterback? Since I was looking it up, and if you think he can be Peyton Manning, then you obviously think his ceiling is the best Bengals quarterback of all time.


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[Assistant] I was looking up on, on pro football reference, the approximate value they try to


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[Assistant] He started five games last year. He won four of those. I was looking through his.


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[Assistant] His, uh, his best game was probably versus Houston. That's a good team to have your best game against. Playoff team. They won week 14. He threw for 300 yards, three touchdowns. His worst game was in Kansas City. Uh, but in that game, I noticed, I thought it was interesting. They blitzed him 21 times in that game. More than twice as many times as he was blitzed in any other game. So they came after Drew Locke. And it was in a blizzard.


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[Assistant] No, yeaah. So Drew Lock was 25. Oh, go ahead, Phil.


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[Assistant] So I knew Chris that you were high on Drew Lock. I wasn't quite sure what Phil thought about him, but now hearing you both are very high on him, I'm kind of surprised he's behind the person who is next on your list. Number 24 on your top 40 quarterback countdown.


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[Assistant] Alright, so Phil, so is, uh, is, is your son being too hard on Jared Goff here? Even though he's got him ranked pretty high in his list.


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[Assistant] I was looking at, you know, he didn't have the benefit of a good rushing game last year, 26th in the NFL. He was asked to do a lot. Uh, the drop percentage actually was fairly high for the, for the Rams. They had, they had some drops in there.


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[Assistant] See, see Chris is still beating up on this guy, even I'm trying to defend him. Uh, the Rams, they did two more things here. So the offensive line play was always in question a little bit last year. Despite that though, they had, uh, the best sack per attempt ratio in the NFL. So it didn't take a whole lot of sacks back in the pocket, despite some, uh,


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[Assistant] Some bad offensive line play, although that might have been more in the running game than the pass protection game. But, uh, what do you think? Is your son being too hard on some of these things with Jared Goff?


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[Assistant] Still a lot of people hoping that, that Jared Goff can get better cause he'll always have that, the scarlet letter. It's a scarlet number, 134 million, 110 guaranteed. He's talked about perhaps restructuring that contract to help them fit some more players, uh, under the salary cap, but that's it.


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[Assistant] Discussion that we've had Chris with a lot of quarterbacks. Can you, can you win with a quarterback making that much money? And oftentimes it's, it's the talk of even with an elite quarterback, let alone a quarterback that's on the level of Jared golf, making that much money makes it, makes it that much tough.


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[Assistant] And there have been, uh, there have been a handful of Cal quarterbacks that have made it to the Super Bowl and Producer Pete wanted me to hit you guys with a trivia question here.


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[Assistant] Cal has produced five quarterbacks who have started a Super Bowl most of any college. Can you name them? How many of the five can you name?


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[Assistant] One of these quarterbacks, producer Pete says, started a super bowl for two different teams. So one of these remaining two that you haven't thought of, started for two different teams. I don't even know which one.


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[Assistant] And then the final one, the final one, I'll give you the first name. Vince.


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[Assistant] Chris, eh, he, he took some, uh, some steps up. They won three more games than they did the previous year in 2019. His completion percentage went up 4%, yards up, touchdowns up.


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[Assistant] Interceptions up. A lot of people in the media like to talk about him and talk him up right now. It seems like his stock is rising.


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[Assistant] Uh, Dan Orlovsky over at ESPN created some waves when he said any quarterback taken over the last three years, he would take this guy for the next 10 into the future. And so that's over a guy like Lamar Jackson. Clearly you do not agree with him there. No, I do not. You hear him talk all the time. He said he'd take Sam Darnold over Dax.


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[Assistant] So I am a little curious, you know, you got him at 23, you're very positive about him. He did drop one spot from your rankings last year, so I'm curious what the, what the downside concerns you have with Sam Darnold are.


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[Assistant] Giving him some support in the draft too. Mackay Beckton will help on the offensive line. Denzel Mims may help. Denzel Mims, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I know we've been going along when Chris is doing the, uh, air pod dance with his, uh, air pods here and switching them in and out. I don't know how many you have over there.


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[Assistant] Uh, but before we go, we got the trivia question for Big Phil. You ready? You ready Big Phil? Our last thing? I'm ready.


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[Assistant] You threw for a career best 513 yards in an October of 85 loss at Cincinnati. Which of your receivers had the most yards that day?


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[Assistant] Great talking to you Phil. I said the ultimate trump card. You can't top Super Bowls. You just go to that and there's no comeback.


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[Assistant] Alright, that was a good one. We got to hear all of the, uh, both sims reactions to all four of the quarterbacks in the, uh, the countdown today. I'm, I'm, I'll be honest with you. I'm surprised a little bit. I thought Darnold would be higher. I thought golf would be lower and I thought Locke might be a little higher. I'm a little, I'm surprised with your rankings today.


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[Assistant] Every week the questions for four and five hundred are going to be difficult. I mean, you're not going to respect me in the morning if I just make it too easy with those four or five hundred questions. So they're going to be tough again today and I'm glad you like it because I'm spending a significant amount of my time ignoring my family and thinking about


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[Assistant] It's the kind of absent though where I'm actually there and they think I'm there, so they're including me in the back and forth, but I'm thinking about something else. And to my wife, that's the worst kind of absent. She'd rather that I'd be off in a corner. Yeah, so uhm, that's where it is, but hey, that's, you know, part of the battle we all fight, right Chris?


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[Assistant] I was doing it with the 1977 World Series last night. The Dodgers and the Yankees for some reason was on some random channel and I had it on and I apparently was ignoring my wife and my kids and everybody got a little upset. I was so into the ninth inning though. I knew what happened.


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[Assistant] You know, it was a long time ago, but Lee Lacey was up and he was trying to put down a bun I had to watch. And 77, just so we're, what, the Dodgers won that one?


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[Assistant] Yankees won and the whole reason game six was on because it was the game that Reggie Jackson hit three home runs on three swings.


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[Assistant] Could come back in some form or fashion. We're all, we're all quite hopeful. So we have put together another unbuttoned NFL podcast in the time where there's not a lot of news.


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[Assistant] But we have a number of topics that are going to be fun to run through. So you give me your version of what's coming up here and I'll kind of fill in the blanks as we set the outline and then we'll dive into the main part.


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[Assistant] And the segment is going to be defined as you described it by how you rate the groups, not the individuals, but the groups, the collective talent, each position room in each building.


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[Assistant] The groups, obviously the quarterbacks are going to be first. I'm going to let that cat out of the bag. We're going to talk about the quarterback group first. But after that, the next group I bring up will be like, if I'm the general manager, I view this position group as the second most important in building a successful team and all the way down to last position group. And I think you'll be surprised by it.


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[Assistant] A little bit, but that's uh, that's how we're gonna run through what we're calling Sims City.


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[Assistant] I thought that building game was called Minecraft. There is that too.


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[Assistant] We're all having some version of the same conversation or argument at every house where we're trying to parent our kids away from spending too much time on the Xbox. Alright, SimCity, we've each spent too much time as we talked about getting ready for this.


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[Assistant] I'm starting out with the most important position group, no surprise here at all, quarterbacks. And before you dive into which one you like the best in the NFL, just a reminder, it's not the best quarterback, this is the best quarterback group in the NFL. So who do you got?


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[Assistant] Yes, however, and you brought up the main point with the Saints and they hit it out of the park in this position last year.


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[Assistant] Drew got nicked up, five games, Teddy Bridgewater comes in, they go 5-0 like you pointed out. He only threw two interceptions in that entire time. And James Winston, more talented, more experienced than Teddy Bridgewater, but let's say the same thing happens this year, and they don't go with Taysom Hill, they go with James Winston.


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[Assistant] He comes in and performs like he has been. He's throwing a pick or two picks per game.


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[Assistant] Are they still gonna win those five games or are they gonna go two and three? And that, that's my worry with that pick because I thought you might go there. And I don't hate that selection, but my first thought is an A-Sayer, which I get to play sometimes. What about the picks that Bridgewater avoided last year?


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[Assistant] You just answered one of the questions I had written down under quarterback here, and that's how much will Chris value the play caller? Because you relaying that opinion takes me to Kansas City last year when Matt Moore came in.


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[Assistant] And Patrick Mahomes got hurt in Matt Moore. I mean, there were a lot of opinions about where it could go. And if you told Chiefs fans, you know what? You'll win two out of three games in this time. You'll score still in the high twenties. There won't be a single interception thrown. I think every Chiefs fan would have taken that. And I give a lot of credit to Andy Reed.


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[Assistant] As the play colors, the guy putting it together just like you gave credit.


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[Assistant] Two other teams that I have written down that you didn't mention. Dallas Cowboys with Andy Dalton. Andy Dalton is the backup. How come they didn't come up on that list of teams that you mentioned?


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[Assistant] Remember the old days when every team had three quarterbacks dressed down? Right. On game day. I know. You think about the Buffalo Bills and Jim Kelly and Frank Reich and Gale Gilbert were always standing there on Sunday. And now, I mean, who dresses three besides, I mean, the Saints obviously, but I mean, that third quarterback doesn't get to be part of Sundays these days.


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[Assistant] Everybody else will have a good time, yeaah. Right. Okay, so that's quarterbacks and it's a topic we could leave it at all day, but at some point we gotta move on. I appreciate you throwing in your coordinators there. So now we come into some of the surprises here and the surprise will be in the form of


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[Assistant] What I deem that the second most important position group in building a team and my second and third most important go together and I'm going to throw out one number I found while ignoring my family that really makes sense of why I have this group of two and the next one of three. The most significant stat I found and looking at last year as it related to teams making the playoffs opponent quarterback ranking and the top 10.


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[Assistant] Eight of those top ten teams made the postseason.


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[Assistant] Okay, and of the seven teams, one more, one more for you, of the seven teams that want to play, that want to play off game last year.


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[Assistant] Six. Okay, six of those were in the top half of the league and opponent quarterback ratings. So to me,


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[Assistant] You pressure the quarterback, you confuse him, you get some picks, obviously we know it's important.


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[Assistant] That stat gives some teeth to that thought that we all have and backs it up right there in the black and white. So that's why I have it number two, and you'll understand three in a moment. Number two, I have defensive line.


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[Assistant] So for Defensive Line, what's your favorite group in the NFL?


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[Assistant] I have one word written down here under D line in all caps. The rest are in sentences, but the one in all caps is disruptive. And you just use that word three times to describe the way Niners have up run.


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[Assistant] I thought that would be an easy pick for you, that even though you respect a lot of the other groups, that it would be San Francisco and then everybody else, but it sounds like it was difficult. Who was the closest second to the Niners?


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[Assistant] I mentioned at the top before we got into this defensive line group and why I have them as the second most valuable group when you're building a team.


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[Assistant] That there were two teams in the top ten that did not make the playoffs. And the Chicago Bears were one of them. And Chicago showed up a number of times in the, uh, postseason stats that really tell a good story. If they had... Let me guess the other. Let me guess the other. They had average quarterback play. Yes.


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[Assistant] So the, uh, the bears, when you sift through the end of the season and look at things that matter to you and say, okay, this team was really good in this area. They were really, really good upfront in the front seven on defense and in the back end. If they had average quarterback play, if their quarterback production was between 12 and 20, and I don't know where it was on there.


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[Assistant] That's potentially, uh, a playoff team. The other team was the Steelers. The Steelers were the other team.


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[Assistant] Okay, so quarterback number one, defensive line I have as number two.


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[Assistant] And as we get into three, my entire focus here is, okay, quarterback is, is first in the priority list, but then do you have a defense that is likely is better than average to


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I want to get right back to you on which team you have first. I think it might be the Patriots, but I did not initially have defensive backs this high in the group, but then I went back and really thought about it. And you mentioned you got to have more than four guys. That's not just depth in your room.


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[Assistant] On the field during the game, I mean, five is almost a given, and six, I'm gonna guess is close to half the time.


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[Assistant] Defenses are playing with six defensive backs on the field. Yeaah. And with how important it is to have a safety.


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[Assistant] Give, give the slot receiver fits in the slot. As we're seeing, that's so important to a quarterback and to an offensive coordinator. It's just the more I thought about it, the more I thought defensive back should be higher in the list. So that's why I have him third. So enough of mine.


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[Assistant] That's coming up. And also, with how smart these offensive coordinators are with their formations, we used to have a thing where we'd line up and say, okay, line up and bunch right, and this week we're going to explode to train left.


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[Assistant] You have Travis Kelsey next to the, to the, uh, to the tackle, just like the defense is expecting when you line up. And then after the quarterback says, set.


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[Assistant] He's gonna go out to the left and find your third best corner out wide, so.


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[Assistant] It's not only that you got to have a slot corner and you got to have a safety that they can play linebacker. Your third best corner might accidentally get matched up with the best tight end in the league a handful of times each game. So the more I thought about it, I just thought defensive backs needed to be high up on the list. I actually thought about having them at number two. So your favorite, your favorite defensive back group would be? The Patriots. Yeah.


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[Assistant] In your mind, how close are safeties to being tied with corners in terms of importance in looking at the entire group?


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[Assistant] Before I get back to the offense, it's going to be heavy offense here for a while too as I look at my list. Who came up second on your, on your list of best DBs?


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[Assistant] Okay, defensive backs third right after defensive line I had as the second most important group. Now we're getting back to offense. We're going to stay here for a little while.


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[Assistant] Who can move around. Someone who can play right tackle and left guard and have that versatility and depth because you don't get to keep that many offensive linemen on your roster, unfortunately.


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[Assistant] And thinking about depth offensively, I go back to what we talked about first with the quarterback group and you had the Saints at number one, the Colts were team I had written down for depth purposes at one and two that might show up there as well with Philip Rivers and Jacoby Brissette. And I'll be in the back of what all the experience he's gained the last couple of years.


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[Assistant] I'm wondering how much consideration you gave to the Dallas Cowboys. They've been long thought of as the best offensive line. They lose Travis Frederick, major part of their interior part of the offensive line.


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[Assistant] And also the Ravens, they also lost the Hall of Fame piece, and Frederick's not a Hall of Fame piece, but they lost a guard in Marshall Yonda, who will be in Canton someday. How about those two teams?


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[Assistant] Niners are a great point to bring up with the way they ran the ball in some big games last year. Uh, that one makes a whole lot of sense.


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[Assistant] So quarterback one, D line, then DBs, offensive line at four, brings us to number five here in Sim City. And I bet you can guess what position group I have here at five. I mean, I've, I've gone heavy emphasis on both sides of the ball on the passing game. So who do you think is the fifth most important position group?


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it's no longer just the big fast guy outside and it's so much more quarterback friendly to have somebody in the slot.


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[Assistant] Ideally you have a tight end. We'll get to tight ends here in a moment on the other side of them. But just with the way offensive coordinators are using one formations and two different types of bodies that it's not just a big guy who can run fast at Z on the outside.


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[Assistant] I want a group that's got one or maybe two guys who could be just outside that side end and just light up whoever they put on in the slot, whether it's your third best corner, whether it's your best safety, maybe they accidentally end up by formation, they get screwed and have a, have a linebacker on that third person in a bunch out there.


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[Assistant] Uh, but it's the number of ways with formations and the number of different types of body types the coordinators are using. Why I almost had them in front of the offensive line. I thought I might get a little bit scolded by you and I didn't feel great about having.


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[Assistant] And your fifth, your, so wide receivers as a group I have is the fifth most important. Who do you have as your favorite group?


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[Assistant] And really their fifth could be considered Travis Kelsey. He blocks well, but he is like an extra receiver. So we'll get to him. We'll get to the tight ends here in just a little bit.


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[Assistant] How about some other groups? I mean, and it's impossible to argue with Kansas City. They won the entire thing, so no argument there. I'd like to hear who's second, third, and fourth on your listo.


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[Assistant] It puts a lot of pressure, puts a lot of pressure on Josh Allen next year.


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[Assistant] So maybe you're one of the few people who are thinking about Houston Texans football, they're not mad at Bill O'Brien.


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[Assistant] I think the answer to that question lies with, uh, two people. Number one is Randall Cobb still a quality receiver. If he can still give him quite a bit, then


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[Assistant] That combined with if David Johnson can be even close to what he was a couple of seasons ago. If you have that kind of threat out of the backfield in the passing game and Randall Cobb is still pretty good. So those two players at a good level versus Deandre Hopkins. I mean, I think most would still pick Hopkins. However,


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[Assistant] That combo of great receiver out of the backfield and quality third guy in Cobb, I see what you're saying.


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[Assistant] Fast forwarding to next year when we do this exercise, I wonder if the Denver Broncos are going to be on this group with young, talented receivers in between year one and two or two and three, and then their first round pick, Jerry Judy and second round pick, Hamler out of Penn State.


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[Assistant] That's one, that'll be a fun one to keep an eye on to see if they show up here in this conversation too. Definitely.


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[Assistant] Tight end, no surprise at number six. It was offensive line four, wide receiver five, and now we've got the tight ends here at six.


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[Assistant] I want to hear more about those Raiders in a moment, but listen, you talk about the tight ends for Tampa Bay. They're also really, really good at wide receiver. A number of different kind of weapons there. This is why I have defensive backs third on the list of important groups in building a team because think about defending the Buccaneers next year.


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[Assistant] If you don't have a bunch of really good defensive backs with those tight ends and those receivers and Tom Brady, you're screwed. You're screwed. Agree.


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[Assistant] Is that the kind of team that maybe you just, even if you're used to playing man, you're like, you know what, we're going to play zone against these guys because we don't have enough different kinds of athletes in the back end to match up with what they might roll out there on any down.


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[Assistant] Buccaneers loaded at tight end and nice job of pointing that out. So here's a scenario for you. Let's say end of preseason with Gronk, with Bright and with Howard. Some team awkwards a mid-round pick or third or fourth round pick for either Bright or Howard.


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[Assistant] Would you say, you know what? I'm going to stay with these three because I love what we can do. Are you going to go with that trade? No, I'm staying.


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[Assistant] Tell us a little more about the Raiders showing up there at number two on your best group at tight ends.


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[Assistant] And we shall see as the season picks up and goes on who is throwing them the ball. I think Derek Carr, uh, is on his final chance there. And Marcus Mariota sitting there waiting in the wings. We'll see who is the guy as the season plays out.


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[Assistant] At number seven, and then we'll go to eight, nine, and that'll be it on this SimCity building a team. Seven, I have special teams. And I know you didn't spend a lot of time on the punters and the kickers. Uh, but number one, there's so many one score games.


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[Assistant] And I kind of wanted to make a point about where I think the running game has gone and the importance or lack thereof with the positions that really say this pick is about the running game. And it could get some people to complain to say, you know, it's still about running the football. It's still about stopping the run, but.


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[Assistant] I have those two positions coming up here as last and I have special teams at number seven ahead of what's coming up here and running back in lineback.


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[Assistant] Yeah, ravens are always a good choice too with that position too.


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[Assistant] Okay, the eighth most important part of building a team I have down is running back.


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[Assistant] I'd love to have Zeke Elliott. I'd love to have an awesome running back on my team, but you can't be awesome everywhere, as you and I have talked about, and I think capable. I think if you're really good at quarterback and on the offensive line, if you're just capable at the running back spot, I think you can win a lot of games.


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[Assistant] So with the focus on quantity and the Ravens are a great example, really over one or two is just tremendous quality. Who do you have as your second best group? And go ahead and throw out some honorable honorable mention teams there as well.


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[Assistant] And listen to your explanation of it. It's very similar to the wide receiver group in the sense that more important than one awesome dude is good guys who are different. They have different size, they have different types of talents, and with these running backs, you've talked about different teams, but the one thing, the one theme that's run through all of them


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[Assistant] The groups that you like are ones that have different types of runners within the top four.


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[Assistant] Bringing us to the least important group here, the ninth and final group in building a team, we're calling this team SimCity. I have linebackers last, and before we talk specifically about players and teams,


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[Assistant] Do you agree? Would you have had linebackers higher on this list? I probably would have had them higher on the list, yeaah.


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[Assistant] And that's the issue, I mean, because they often are the one position


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[Assistant] At last and I also had them as the position out there defensively that even though they can play an important role against the past, they're probably


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[Assistant] They're not as important as anybody on the defensive line and they're not as important as the defensive backs. So I can think a number of linebackers that I would love to have on my team, but when it comes to affecting the pass, I just think they're in last place on the defense.


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[Assistant] You kinda have a thought of where you're gonna go, but then you really get into.


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[Assistant] And it helps you with your understanding of what they're doing in the fall because of the time you put into this, uh, you know, during the off season because we're talking football in May for hours at a time.


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[Assistant] Right, and the other team that's come up the most was, it just happened to be the number one seed in the AFC, the Baltimore Ravens. Yes, exactly right.


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[Assistant] So I had linebackers last, you would have had running backs last, but there it is, that's Sim City, that's building a team, your favorite groups in the NFL, I prioritize the groups one through nine, quarterbacks all the way to linebackers, and there you go. It's all just a warm up, Chris, it's a warm up for quarterback Jeopardy, and that's where we've arrived here, alright?


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[Assistant] Okay, so last week it was the quarterback class in the draft of 2003.


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[Assistant] This week's version is the Big Phil version of Quarterback Jeopardy, alright? Oooooh.


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[Assistant] I almost wish Phil was calling in here to listen, but we can share with him where this went. Okay, so just to review the rules, I have five questions. Starts at 100, goes to 500. 100 should be the easiest. 500 will be tough.


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[Assistant] Last week you had 600 points, so I like your chances here of getting above, above that 600 because it's about the old man. Okay, I, I, I, I mean... You should anyway.


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[Assistant] One week later, your dad led the Giants to a 41-35 win at the Cardinals. What city was the game played in?


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[Assistant] The final win of Big Phil's career came on wild card weekend in 1994. Home victory over Minnesota.


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[Assistant] It was close. You were right on. I don't have the final score written. It was a close game that they kind of pulled away in the end. Rodney Hampton had two touchdowns in third quarter, but at halftime.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so you were 13 years old, certainly old enough to know that you were freezing at that game.


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[Assistant] And it was tough for the old man to throw it. You know what was fun? Going back to late 93, your dad had a very good season. I wanted to be sure to include something from there. After Thanksgiving, he didn't throw a pick in the rest of the regular season. And in that playoff win.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, you know, I didn't realize that, you know, but uhm, that's pretty big time for- They got killed the next week. They got killed the next week at San Francisco. Killed.


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[Assistant] Redskins, no slouch, I mean, late 80s, early 90s, redskins, I, you know, one.


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[Assistant] Maybe two or three Super Bowls. So yeah, that was, that was every Sunday. I felt like it was watching your dad listening to Pat Summerall and watching some game where it was 17 to 10 and freezing. That was, that was football growing up. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Okay, 300 points, nice job. You got the 100 and 200 easily.


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[Assistant] For 300, big fill through for career best 513 yards in an October of 85 loss at Cincinnati. Who was his leading receiver that day?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I thought, I thought you were going to get it right away because you asked if tight ends were in the conversation.


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[Assistant] You're right, he went to Big Phil. What's that? I can't believe I missed that.


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[Assistant] I mean, he was, he was well over 900 yards. That's 945 in two weeks. The interesting thing is.


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[Assistant] They lost both those games. You don't want your point guard scoring 48 points. You'd rather have them score 22 and have 15 assists. So they were playing some catch up there. And Boomer Sison in the game we talked about, he didn't throw for many yards. They must have been running the ball pretty well. Because Boomer was just handing off a lot. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] It's almost like you knew, you knew the question there for the 400 points here, Chris. I have written down here.


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[Assistant] The big effort threw for 4,000 yards in a season. Did he do it one time, twice, or three times? He only did it one time.


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[Assistant] I know, completely insane. And here you go, there was one quarterback because the old man was third. There was one quarterback between Marino and Big Phil. This is not officially part of


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[Assistant] Quarterback Jeopardy, just a fun little one to throw out there. Who's the quarterback that was in between Marino and Sims? Wow. You're never gonna get it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we've already talked about his team. His team has come up here one time in this game.


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[Assistant] You nailed 100, 200, or 400. You missed on 300. So here we go for 500. The top five rated quarterbacks in the 93 season included four Hall Famers plus your dad. Name three


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[Assistant] Of those four Hall of Famers, and you get the 500 points. Okay. Alright, so.


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[Assistant] The top five rated quarterbacks in the 93 seasons of quarterback ranking.


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[Assistant] Top 5 and 93 included 4 Hall of Famers plus your dad. If you can name 3 of those 4 Hall of Famers, you get the 500.


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[Assistant] There's two. He was fifth. He was on the list. So all you need is one more.


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[Assistant] And there were, there were eight Hall of Famers, by the way, in the league. That's unbelievable. Eight Hall of Fame quarterbacks. Yeah. I'm going to go with Troy Aikman. Is Troy Aikman there? He was second. There you go. You got three.


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[Assistant] You want to guess a fourth? You want to guess a fourth? You already won it, but. I know, let me think. Uhm, let's see, 93, uhm.


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[Assistant] Eight quarterbacks, 25% of the starting quarterbacks in the league at that point.


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[Assistant] I had a bonus question here just in case you got below 600 that you've already proven that this is too easy for you.


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[Assistant] Both the Giants and Jets had double-digit wins in 85. Both their starting quarterbacks were in the top four in passing yards. It was the Jets quarterback.


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[Assistant] Eh, maybe, maybe back in his prime between somewhere between 17 and 22 or 3. Once he got out of college, it fell apart fast. And I was part of one of these guys. Willie Colon did it, uh, for where he works.


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[Assistant] And uhm, they brought a guy to the gym that we, you know, go to and workout or whatever.


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[Assistant] And I looked at him and I saw him, I go, look, you have no chance. You won't break five. So, cause I could just look at him and you know, I think I can guess right a lot of times, but so he gets down in his stance and runs and I kid you not, he runs. He almost fall. He ran a five five and they gave him like four chances. They finally figured it out.


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[Assistant] Just stand up when you start and he did run better. He ran like a five three or something like that. So, Hey, if you don't sprinting running fast on it, as I said last time, it leaves your body quick. And yeah, as soon as you stop running for speed.


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[Assistant] I'm telling you, you, you, you, it's almost impossible to get it back and that's okay, relive those glory days, that's alright.


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[Assistant] Cause I was sitting there reading the, you know, reading the computer, the papers, all that stuff, and they get into that. And I go, that... dummy.


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[Assistant] And I have my other son Matt, I have him down there too, you know, a big picture of him is actually is a great shot. And you know, I'm not big really and all that stuff, you know, uh, just.


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[Assistant] I went down, Christopher, I don't know if you know this, I took all pictures and everything down and...


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[Assistant] And everything, and just all the Bigelow-T posters, and oh gosh, I hate, I hate me, and, and I took it up, oh my god.


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[Assistant] I said, oh my god. I just, I don't know. I just get sick of looking at it. I get sick of looking at me.


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[Assistant] Oh everybody, oh well. Well you know, listen, I will do one day, I will keep a lot of stuff. I realize I got more than I thought, but I'm just gonna get a little closet and just...


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[Assistant] I don't know, someday somebody can do whatever they want with it. That's it.


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[Assistant] Well, of course not surprise, and everybody says, oh, who will trade for him? Of course nobody's going to trade because of the money.


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[Assistant] That's one thing. So, uh, I covered many of his games during his career. We were down in Cincinnati, you know, once, twice, at least.


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[Assistant] Every year, see him on the road against other teams, things like that. Uh, you know, the thing about Andy Dalton is...


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[Assistant] He played in those four playoff games, they didn't win. Probably the best chance they had to win was the fifth year he was in the league. And he hurt his thumb, like, you know, maybe...


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[Assistant] The second, the last, somewhere that game. Yeaah, right. And they had Pittsburgh beat. AJ McCarran had them beat.


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[Assistant] And then Vontez Burpick said, no way brother, we're gonna take this out of the hands of-


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[Assistant] Of winning and put it with a defeat, but some of those penalties, all that, but you know what he is?


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[Assistant] There was nothing that jumps out at you about Andy Dalton except these really solid athlete, uh, has a good size for an NFL quarterback, uh, has a, you know, a solid arm.


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[Assistant] But there's nothing that really stands out, and I think it kind of let him blend into there where people underestimated him. And then of course, the old, well he didn't win any playoff games, you know, uh, came up. And I remember doing a game at Indianapolis, and he was the quarterback of course in the playoff game.


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[Assistant] And I forgot, I think they were playing a running back, I can't think of his name.


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[Assistant] He was playing, a running back was playing wide receiver for him that day. Everybody was hurt. They had no chance of winning.


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[Assistant] Rex Burkhead is trying to run routes and, you know, there's just, there's no chance, on the road, not much of a chance. So, you know, he was a little unfortunate, probably had a chance.


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[Assistant] His second year, I think, right, guys, is when he was down in Houston. They should have won the game and, uh,


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[Assistant] Actually, I think he might have made a bad play or two if I can remember the captain from winning, so I thought that was one he got away from.


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[Assistant] You know, he, uh, he looks for that, I think, more than the throwing and all the other stuff first. He wants his quarterback to be very mobile and, you know, it...


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[Assistant] He's gotta prove that point through the years with his backups. You know, yea, if he gets a chance to go to Jacksonville, man, run. Take it.


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[Assistant] It's not because I don't believe in Gardner-Menshu. Look, he could get nicked up. They're not gonna be a great team. He's gonna know the offense well, all that stuff. And it just, it, maybe he gets a chance to, when he does play.


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[Assistant] Hey, he does well, then there's a starting row, I don't know. I look at him now, he's got to be very fortunate to really ever get a chance.


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[Assistant] To be a team starting quarterback. And everybody, I'm listening to the radio and TV, Andy's out in New England, start him, you know, he'll be...


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[Assistant] If he goes up there, he will not be the starting quarterback in my eyes.


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[Assistant] You know, everybody just underestimates what's up there. We know Brian Hoyer knows the system inside and out.


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[Assistant] But I just think everybody underestimates what New England knows about quarterbacks, how they train them, and Jared Stidham.


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[Assistant] Hey, again, he's a guy nobody knows, so they discount him.


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[Assistant] I studied him hard. I actually was trying to contact him during the summer.


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[Assistant] Cause I said, man, I like to throw with this guy when he comes out for the draft, you know, and everything. And...


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[Assistant] It didn't, didn't work out. He was locked into what he was doing, whatever. But I remember watching his tape last summer.


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[Assistant] Of his junior year at Auburn going, I rea- or two years ago I should say.


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[Assistant] And I thought, man, I like this guy a lot. Just like I did this past summer with Joe Burrow. I watched him, I said...


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[Assistant] Hey, this is at worst a third round pick quarterback. He can move a little. I like his arm. It's solid. All these things. And the same with James Morgan. I looked at him last year and go.


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[Assistant] There's a lot there to like to be a starting NFL quarterback. So I don't know. Andy Dalton, I don't think it's, it's.


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[Assistant] Gonna be a list of five teams go after him. I think when you get an opportunity, then of course money will not be a factor. You can almost take whatever they give you. And, uh, I think Jacksonville would be a great place for him to land.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think the thing is, the LA ones, just for you, just the LA Rams, I've looked at them and go, what are they going to do at the backup quarterback? They really...


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[Assistant] Makes sense of going out and getting a veteran that's proven to back up.


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[Assistant] Hey, if they get hot, this thing comes back together for them and all that, and Sean McVeigh unveils us.


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[Assistant] This new offense, he's gonna come up with new ideas and all that. You need a, uh, a veteran backup quarterback, so if he started, he gets hurt.


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[Assistant] Your team just doesn't fall apart, which, which can happen and we've seen it happen many times.


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[Assistant] I thought the Packers, I would have bet they were going to take a defensive tackle. I just was, hey.


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[Assistant] What happened when they played the Philadelphia Eagles, whatever, we talked with Monday Night Football. It was...


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[Assistant] Ram it down your throat. The Minnesota Vikings. Run it down. I mean it was, that was...


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[Assistant] You know, when you get run on, it's hard to be a championship team. It really is. Unless you have something just super in the secondary, kind of like New England sometimes.


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[Assistant] They win the games, even with their defensive front, it's not great because their secondary was so great.


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[Assistant] But, uh, I thought, okay, if it's not a defensive tackle, it would be a wide receiver.


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[Assistant] And the richest wide receiver draft we've ever seen, probably, and maybe won't see another one like it for a long time, but they pass and not only do they do it, I mean, here's the thing. We're talking about, I think, a project quarterback.


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[Assistant] I did not see what everybody else see, including my son. I said I watched him. I said okay. I see the potential.


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[Assistant] You know, but I don't see the, you know, a clear cut.


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[Assistant] Polished enough where we got somebody we could almost claim starting out the gate as our starting quarterback in a normal year. I definitely did not see that. My son called me, Christopher, and I said, well damn, I heard you. Let me look at it again. So what happened Christopher when you called me?


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[Assistant] He, you know, wasn't like he was in the receivers, you know, look, nobody got over, it was a terrible offense, I know that, and I didn't judge that. You know, I never do. I judge the player.


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[Assistant] You know, the team could go 14-0, and I can still hate the quarterback. Or not like him, and you know, things like that. So, I just...


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[Assistant] You know, I'm always fighting this with people, you know, when you still hear it even from coaches and...


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[Assistant] Well this guy's drafted because he's good for our room. Oh my god.


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[Assistant] One of my biggest pets. I'm so sick of hearing about the quarterback room. I don't remember ever sitting one in 15 years going...


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[Assistant] Everybody says it, oh, you know this, they got all these cold words that to me just mean nothing. I don't know what else to say about that, but...


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[Assistant] I mean look, Green Bay had a 13-3 record. That thing could have been 9-7 as easy as it was 13-3. Let's don't get ourselves. That's what I saw.


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[Assistant] And I, when they went to San Francisco to play the championship game, I thought, oh my god, they have no chance in this. This is, how's it, how's it gonna change so drastically from one game to the next when they played each other and it didn't, so.


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[Assistant] But to look down the road, oh in three years he'll be our starter. This is just what Aaron Rodgers did fifteen years ago.


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[Assistant] I don't care about 15 years ago. The world has changed. It's now. It's now. Hell, Matt LaFord might not see Jordan Love play if this thing falls apart in Green Bay, but it won't. Right. You know, I just, but Aaron, you said it right. I'm gonna juke, I don't know if you've heard Christopher say this, Aaron Rodgers has all the cards now. It's total freedom, baby. Okay, you got two years, whatever, okay. What are they gonna do?


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[Assistant] You know what I'm saying? He can just do what he wants. And this is the interesting thing about it.


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[Assistant] Oh, Matt LaFore has taken over control of the team. Well, okay.


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[Assistant] Okay, well, I don't know. I'm not saying Aaron Rodgers is gonna go up there and just do what he wants, but I just think it does empower him a little bit for the next couple years.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, I, I, you guys have said all these things. Everybody's thought, yeah, look, he, he tastes some hill. What he does down in New Orleans, it's, it's, it's good. It's very good for the football team and all that stuff. Uh, there's a couple of things. One.


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[Assistant] He does not throw the ball probably as well as Taysom Hill. I don't think he's as fast as Taysom Hill. Uh, so that's...


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[Assistant] You know, Jalen Hurts is more of a kind of a power runner. Yeah, he'll be good. You know, if he's throwing, has to move out of the pocket, he can pick up some extra yards. He's a big legs. Look, I watched him on a YouTube shot or whatever. I saw him squat for real, 600 pounds. So I think that's what he said. I was like, Oh my, he has got an unbelievable set of legs. And, and I, and okay. So I see all that and.


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[Assistant] Is he your backup quarterback this year? I would think he would not be the backup quarterback. He will be a guy that'll play intermittently and do those type of things.


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[Assistant] And I think down the road, one year or soon, two years, whatever, they would hope he could turn in to the backup quarterback if they can refine his throwing. His throwing is not NFL average. I mean, it just...


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[Assistant] I know he wanted Alabama and wanted Oklahoma. I know. You know, so.


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[Assistant] Shoot, I just, uh, Greg McElroy won a national championship down in Alabama. Why don't we say he's a winner and draft him in the first second round? You know, so.


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[Assistant] It's, of course, you play for Alabama, Oklahoma, you're the quarterback, you're going to win a lot of games. Or, you know, that's just Georgia. Oh, you're going to win a lot of games. So, but...


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[Assistant] I understand what they want to do. Did you have to do it in the second round? Me?


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[Assistant] Just judging it before the draft, I said, if you get Jalen Hurts in the third round, I'd be really happy with that. But I'm sure the Eagles, uhm, were a little scared about it, because I'm sure there was other teams that saw the same thing, probably third round. And the Eagles, if they wanted them bad, they took them in the second.


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[Assistant] And, you know, Ahmet, this is always love. Even when I played, we would draft the quarterback in the sixth round, eighth round, and somebody would go, oh, you, you, you, you word a little bit? I'd go, about what? Will they draft the guy in the sixth round? Yeah, okay, well let's see if he makes the team, and then...


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[Assistant] You know, okay. No, I'm not worried. I mean, everybody, when there's a quarterback, well, he's, uh-oh, competition. No. Jalen Hurts, when he sees the NFL.


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[Assistant] It's gonna be an entirely different game that he played.


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[Assistant] At Oklahoma and Alabama, where they were almost every single time when they took the field, they were by far the more talented team and all that and in many ways, scheme, talent, everything else. So, uhm, it, it.


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[Assistant] It'll be interesting, but you, my point being is this, Carson went


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[Assistant] Is one of the few that literally and physically and emotionally, whatever you want to say.


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[Assistant] Can carry a football team. His toughness, his talent, all of it, it was on display again last year. Those last four games, I mean, he was tremendous. And it was just about toughening it out. It wasn't about, oh, we got talent, we're going to win this way. It was just, even against the Giants, who were not very good, he somehow pulled that game out and it was just great throws at the end of the game, just being tough and kind of willing his team to do it.


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[Assistant] One of the few guys, Russell Wilson, of course, is a few that can do it with their mentality and just refusal to lose.


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[Assistant] I'm not going to say there's 10 of those out there in the NFL because there's not, so.


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[Assistant] And about, you know, I do all this work for the NFL, you know, I study all these guys.


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[Assistant] I think there's no question they'll be better for many reasons. One, get some people back that were hurt.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, Evan Ingram won Daniel Jones' second year.


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[Assistant] For Daniel Jones, I love the offense. I love Pat Shermer. What a kid.


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[Assistant] For the, uh, Denver Broncos to get him. With a quarterback, and I just think of what he was doing up in Minnesota.


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[Assistant] I was anxious to see that down here with the Giants. It never worked out because the offensive line was just not good enough to do what he wanted to do.


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[Assistant] But I would say the Giants this year, next year, you'd like to see progress.


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[Assistant] That they gotta point to and go, we really gotta be a factor by that time. And if they can accomplish that, that would really, I think be, you know,


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[Assistant] That would be great. I think that's the best they can hope for. I still think there are a lot of players away from being a big time contending team. But, uh,


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[Assistant] I thought their draft, Andrew Thomas, McKinney, two good guys there, a few good pre-agent pickups, that was great.


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[Assistant] And finally, I think the offensive line's gonna be somewhat where they want it to be.


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[Assistant] So their main guys can show their talent. That's the biggest thing about the Giants.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, no doubt. They, they, they are, they, Dave Getteman, just like he did at Carolina, he was part of that.


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[Assistant] When I went out there, I'll never forget the Super Bowl, going out and watching them practice. I did a few of the games before, watching them practice, but I was really up close.


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[Assistant] And I would just remember watching practice going, Oh my God, this team is so big. And, and, and this was on a, I don't know if it was a Thursday, I guess it was a Thursday before the Superbowl.


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[Assistant] I could not get over how hard they practice. And I said something to somebody.


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[Assistant] He goes, oh no, this is everyday. This, these guys are crazy. And I just...


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[Assistant] So I think Dave Gettleman envisions that team big.


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[Assistant] Powerful, all that, and I guess the big question too is, I'm really anxious to see just the, I don't know if I can say a word for it.


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[Assistant] Joe Judge, what am I gonna see from the team that I know is because of him? You know, we've watched the Patriots, we know Bill Belichick, we know Kyle Shanahan, we know, you know, uh,


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[Assistant] Sean Payton down in San Francisco. We know these guys. We know who they're about. We see their team. Yep, that's them and all that. I can't wait to see if Joe Judge, how long it takes him to really put his print on the New York Giants.


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[Assistant] Whatever, but some circle the wagons, they do it in the trash cam when I played.


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[Assistant] But you couldn't do that now because, oh my gosh, maybe now they can go under the tent, I guess, if they have to. That's the thing with the tent. Yeaah, I think you're right.


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[Assistant] Now the guy, it was hot, we were in Dallas, he had two IVs, he had each arm stuck as we went in at half time.


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[Assistant] We were on the field constantly killing them. That was back when the Cowboys were no good.


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[Assistant] And he finally just said, hey, tell him he's not going, he might as well just do it in his pants. And whatever, so.


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[Assistant] And you sweat and all that, so you can just, uhm, you can picture the rest.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, well he had no choice, you know, the IVs and everything, he was so saturated, I guess, or whatever, and came out there, and no exaggeration, I'm telling you, it was at least 100 degrees on the field, that's back at the old stadium, you know, and that's all they kept saying before the game.


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[Assistant] The field temperature today is 112 degrees. I'm like, oh, I'm so frightened by that. You know, they were trying to like do this on purpose to psych us out. And we just...


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[Assistant] Probably a second year, because we were kind of ready for what they did. But, you know, that story changed pretty quick too.


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[Assistant] Oh my gosh, the throw up, I can't imagine doing that, that's for sure. Uh, but, uh, yeaah, no, well, whatever. Hey, control your body, that's all I can say.


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[Assistant] But you know, before you guys go, I just wanted to say a couple of things. I thought we did some great, it was fun today. But I just looked at teams, the draft, and it was just so unbelievable. LSU, Michigan.


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[Assistant] Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Ohio State and a newcomer.


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[Assistant] Which I said to somebody, I said, man, they're the best looking team I watch on film, almost, Utah.


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[Assistant] I mean those teams together, you literally could form an NFL team for real and compete. I think if you put them all together and you know, just kept adding on to it.


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[Assistant] I mean that's how, it was just amazing, the number of guys. LSU, what, 16 drafted players, is that right?


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[Assistant] Well, musicians went in, but oh my god, Alabama looks like a professional team.


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[Assistant] Well, of course, they're borderline R, with so many guys, which is just amazing. And what's really cool about it, when you, like, get doing all this draft stuff, and I really enjoy watching the players.


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[Assistant] And you know, I go through all of it and watch it and I go, you know, why am I wasting my time? Let me just go to the Auburn Alabama game and watch him. Cause he's gonna be playing against a pro. Or you know, rocking a pro, pass rushing against a...


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[Assistant] Uh, a first round tackle, whatever it is. Wide receivers going against first round corners. I mean, so you watch.


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[Assistant] Two or three of those games, and you got all your answers. You don't even need to watch anything else.


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[Assistant] That was what was really fun. And the Big Ten, I give them a lot of credit too. Look, there's a...


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[Assistant] It's, it's not the SEC, but they're getting where they're really, I'm not going to say they're close, close, but they're.


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[Assistant] They're pouring out players left and right and, you know, watching the Big Ten, there's just a lot of good football players, professionals, and a lot of good football teams too. So it's.


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[Assistant] It's great. So that was a good, I think the fun thing about trying to see where everybody was going to get picked and just see how many teams really just kind of hit it.


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[Assistant] I mean, it just goes down the line. Indianapolis, I love what they did. You know, uh, the San Francisco.


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[Assistant] Carolina, just some of their early draft picks. Of course, you guys have talked endlessly, I'm sure.


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[Assistant] About the Denver Broncos, what they did. You know, a sneaky team that did great? That's, you know, whatever they say, total rebuilt, was Jacksonville.


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[Assistant] I think they did a terrific job in the draft. So that was one of those kind of fun watching teams. And you know, I would think, last thing and I'll let y'all go, sorry. But, you know, you gotta be a little lucky in the draft.


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[Assistant] In some years you gotta sit there and go, wow, it fell to us, just what we want. There's gotta be other years you just go in there and you go to the draft and, damn, nothing's going our way.


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[Assistant] There is a little luck involved, where guys know for certain reasons, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Uh, and I just looked at the Baltimore Ravens. A couple teams looked at it and went...


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[Assistant] Wow, everything just fell right in place for them to get the guys they want that fit their mold and all that stuff. So that was, that's, I guess there's a little bit more to it.


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[Assistant] And an absolute no. And here's why. Forget all the knowledge and all that. It's just, you know, it's...


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[Assistant] You're just playing a guy, I hate to say these kind of words, even though my son throws them out there like they're, you know, nickels. But you're just playing against a bunch of pissed off men.


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[Assistant] You know, they're men. And I know these guys coming out of college are this and that.


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[Assistant] But why do a lot of them fail? Because, oh my god, it's hard and it's different and...


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[Assistant] It's like, I'll never forget the guy, uh, wide receiver for UCLA years ago, came in the locker room with the Philadelphia Eagles, first round draft pick. Didn't pan out. And he says, man, there's a lot of grown ass guys here. They got kids. And the way he said the whole thing. And I go, that's right. And you know.


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[Assistant] Uh, I think the longer you, you know, there comes a point in that league, there's a period where you are just an angry.


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[Assistant] Let's go and you're not, you know, you're not going to lose no matter what attitude and you can't get that in year one from a bunch of college guys. They come to NFL, just about every one of them has to toughen up quite a bit. Cause they're the best. I've always been the best. I've always played well. Oh my God. I haven't seen this guy before with the whole cross on me. You know.


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[Assistant] Uh, those are the things. So, yeaah, so, it's a great question though. Most fans would say, oh, he could do it. Because another ridiculous statement


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[Assistant] Do you think Alabama could come in the NFL and win a couple games? Uh, no I don't. I really don't think they could. But, you know, people believe that.


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[Assistant] Are you, the question was just the first rounders or your whole football team?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, yeaah, I would say in three, you know, year three, I think Christopher is right, year three and four would really, well I think you'll know the answer before then.


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[Assistant] But, uh, that would be the time to give them the greatest chance to...


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[Assistant] Gain experience to grow up as men, do all that, get it.


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[Assistant] Get everybody in the right spot, you know, all that stuff. So it's a, it's a great question. Hard one really to answer except that I'm just going to stick with what.


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[Assistant] But it was the funniest thing to see him do that, and I just go, he's right. And you know, even as a player.


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[Assistant] What I was is a rookie, just play, you know, I'm out there, I don't know what the hell's going on.


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[Assistant] I walk out in the field in the second half of the Steelers preseason game.


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[Assistant] And that's their prime. They're gonna go on and win their fourth Super Bowl that year.


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[Assistant] We break the hollow, go up the line of scrimmage and I said, Holy Christ, the starting defense is still in. And it was, I go, Tim, there's me and Joe Green.


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[Assistant] And I look about, you know, three feet from me is Jack Lambert, and I remember going, damn, he's tall. I mean, he's a tall 6'5", and skinny as hell. And of course he's barking out orders, he has no teeth. And I'm like, this is unbelievable.


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[Assistant] I mean, it was, it really was. Jack Ham. I mean, just everybody. Elsie Greenwood, Mel Bond.


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[Assistant] My god, Donnie's showing safety. It's, it's, it was a... What?


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[Assistant] It's something crazy, but yeaah, when I walked out there and saw them, I was like, oh my gosh. And like, just to finish the story, so we play, whatever, it was a great experience for me.


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[Assistant] And I did complete my first two passes for like 60.


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[Assistant] 60 yards, then my third one was intercepted and run back for a touchdown. But I didn't, it didn't deter me, I was still 2 for 3. But, uhm.


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[Assistant] But eight years later, we're down there playing a preseason game. We actually play into overtime. I played the whole game and we beat them. I throw a touchdown pass to win the game.


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[Assistant] You know, over time, whatever, I'm walking, you know, across the field, whatever, me and Joe Green comes up to me, puts his arm around me and goes, my man, boy, you have grown up.


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[Assistant] And it just was, you know, it was great because I remember he said a few things to me my rookie year in that game. Nothing bad. He just said some things like, hey,


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[Assistant] If you guys don't get it figured out there, you ain't never gonna get a playoff now. Let's go.


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[Assistant] Alright, it was really a great experience and uh, so that kinda explains it to you for you, Ahmed, that what a difference it is when you walk out in that field the first time, so.


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[Assistant] You're a jerk. You really are. I mean, yeaah, thanks. Pile on, pile on with the rest of the Saints fans of the world. You know, I love the Saints. I do in a lot of ways. I have such respect for Sean Payton, Andrew Breeze, and Michael Thomas, and all that. But yes.


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[Assistant] You know, do I think Madden has overrated people like Drew Brees and Michael Thomas? I certainly do, but they have to.


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[Assistant] You know, the game's not gonna work the right way unless they overrate those individual players. Because Madden, sorry, as cool as they have a lot of different plays and playbooks,


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[Assistant] They don't know how to call plays with the New Orleans Saints Sean Payton offense like Sean Payton.


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[Assistant] Two plays in the huddle like Sean Payton or, you know, oh, the Sean Payton offense is going to make the quarterback audible when he sees the right play and things like that. No, that doesn't happen in video game world. So they have to make the players


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[Assistant] And what I would say better than what they are actually to make that offense as good as it actually is in real life. That would be my assessment there. I don't mean to bag on Michael Thomas. I think he's awesome. I know that.


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[Assistant] And what makes it work. And of course, he knows when to call certain plays and the sequencing of the plays and then his ability to notice things that the defense is doing and then call the play at the right time.


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[Assistant] So yeah, Matt and Kent, they haven't figured out that program yet. It's an amazing game. It's the greatest video game ever. But because of that, they have to make Tom Brady better than he actually is. So that would be my argument on that. I had a little bit of it. We had this conversation last week about the quarterback rankings a little bit.


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[Assistant] Yes, it's all about 2020. Same type of conversation we had with the quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] Ma'am, the one thing I'll say where I thought that jumped out to me with the receivers, and I don't want to give away names or anything, but, you know,


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[Assistant] There's some guys who, I mean, that are not on this list that I can't believe aren't on the list. And some guys that...


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[Assistant] But they're at a very young part of their career and I just got to see a little bit more before I can have some of these young up and comers per se, you know, dethrone some of the guys that have been around and doing it consistently for a long time. So that was the really tough thing for me at the wide receiver position, let alone again,


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[Assistant] We gotta evaluate the wide receiver. It's not the offense and things like that. Hey, listen, we...


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[Assistant] We put Terry, you know, uh, Terry, uh, I'm blanking on his name in Washington, Terry McCallin, uh, on another offense, or put him in New Orleans.


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[Assistant] You know, of course, I think his stats are going to be a lot better, you know, so that was the tough thing. And that's the tough thing about the receiver position too, because they are affected by the quarterback play and the offensive coordinator, probably about as much as anybody in the game as far as


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[Assistant] You know, Seattle doesn't know how to use Michael Thomas in all the ways he's capable of exposing a defense. Michael Thomas wouldn't be Michael Thomas if he was playing for the Seattle Seahawks.


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[Assistant] Cause they just, they depend on, like you've heard me say a million times, they just depend on the receivers beating their guy and Russell Wilson making a great throw. And Michael Thomas isn't that pure physical talent always that's just gonna like,


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[Assistant] And then his smartness and brains and to be able to, you know, understand that Sean Payton offense and do all those things too. But that is part of the balancing act. You're right. So if I'm hearing, yeah, go ahead, go ahead.


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[Assistant] Uhm, he's one of those guys that I knew was gonna be around my top ten.


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[Assistant] Definitely. But then when I knew I was gonna start to make this list, and you know, I start to write names down.


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[Assistant] And then I start to look at a little film and just, you know, evaluate guys that way. Man, Cortland Sutton was one of those guys where I didn't think he was originally going to be in the top 10. And then when I went back and watched tape, I went,


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[Assistant] Okay, yes he is. There's no way. You know, first off, he's a pretty good route runner for his size, Ahmed. He's 6'4". He's around 220 pounds. But the big thing is why he's on this list is here's a guy that it doesn't really matter what offense he's in.


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[Assistant] You know, he can win in the slot like a Michael Thomas and catch a ball over the middle. And what I'm big adding at the receiver position too is.


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[Assistant] You know, I'm big and again, a little bit like quarterbacks, you know, when there's nothing there to be had, what happens?


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[Assistant] I'm talking like he's in the slot and catching a slant or a little post route and he's taking on a sticky with a shoulder and bouncing off him and then running away from another guy and stiff-arming him.


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[Assistant] So between that aspect and then his ability to just beat people on the outside with his pure raw speed and then of course his jumping and wingspan and catch radius


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[Assistant] It's off the charts, so this is a guy here, I really think...


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[Assistant] It is, and that's why I love you when you host, dude. I do, because you know me, I'm not looking at the numbers. I'm just going by what my eyes say. Yeah, you're the man.


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[Assistant] Well, it does. It makes sense. And you know, again, I'm, I'm big into that. You know, you can't, not every receiver can be put in the perfect offense where they're going to be wide open all the time. You're going to have to make something happen. And Sutton is the kind of guy who can, I think,


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[Assistant] Capitalize off of a system if it really knew how to use them and then also I think he can make a system better because he's a guy that


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[Assistant] He, he, he really is just a physical freak. He really is. With his size, speed, you know, ability after the catch, physicality, jump ball, uh, all of that stuff is, is superstar caliber. And I think we're all going to see about him this year. Got a little more talent around him. We got Drew Locke coming into play here.


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[Assistant] I think between all those factors, he'll become a little bit more of a household name by the end of the 2020 season.


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[Assistant] You know, you drop back, nobody's open and you go, oh man, there's two people on the court. Ah, screw it. Nobody's open. I like his chances against two people. Then I do everybody else one on one. Let me just try to throw up high in the spot and maybe he can get it. And that leads to incompletions when you throw it to him too.


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[Assistant] He's a difference maker and really, really was a special football player in 2019. I know that.


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[Assistant] I think there's a lot of guys towards the bottom of my top 10 here where I go, they're hanging by a thread. There's some young and up and comers and we'll talk about that after the list where I go,


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[Assistant] Man, it was like, you know, they were this close, I couldn't figure it out, and I sometimes gave the guy who's done it maybe a few more years and a little bit more consistently the edge over the guy who


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[Assistant] I've seen only do it one year so far, right? But we got some guys, and I already talked about him, Terry McClure, and he's not gonna make my top 10 cat out of the bag there, but he's one of these guys that I'm talking about where I go, I wouldn't be shocked next year if he was number six on our list, and some of these guys got supplanted and got pushed out of the top 10.


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[Assistant] I think this is how I would explain Stefan Diggs. There's no weakness to Stefan Diggs' game. He is a very unique.


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[Assistant] Which, you know, he ran about three, four different routes the whole year and he still gets open and gets open for big yards. I mean, when Stefan Diggs touches the ball, it's the big play and it's a touchdown. It's a 30 yard pass, but I think this is where he's special and this is where he'll be special to me up in Buffalo.


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[Assistant] Can run all the routes like Julian Edelman, right? And be that guy. He can do that. Yet.


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[Assistant] He could be a guy you can put on the outside and go, nah, just run by him like Tyree Hill, like you saw in San Francisco in the divisional playoff game. We'll just throw you a bomb. You go get it and outrun everybody and wave as you're going in the end zone and it's touchdown. And that's rare to be that slot route.


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[Assistant] Quickness extraordinaire, and then yet be a guy on the outside.


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[Assistant] You can just say run by them with pure ability and they can't stay with you.


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[Assistant] He's truly, and he's a very smooth route runner, so, and he's smooth running, so I think it does him a little bit of an injustice to where he doesn't look like he's moving as fast as he really is, but,


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[Assistant] When you watch it and then you start to realize, whoa, that guy chasing him is really fast and isn't catching him. Then you start to go, damn, he's fast. Like I don't care how smooth it is, but you're right. And that's what I meant by four routes. I mean, he really ran.


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[Assistant] Host route, go route, deep cross, and then maybe shallow cross, and a few slants here or there, where it's gonna be cool and buffalo on mid.


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[Assistant] So, I think this will be the first time in his career, I think he's really gonna get like this wide variety of routes that you're talking about. The Julian Edelman stuff, the 5 yard outroutes, the jerk routes, the option routes.


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[Assistant] Where I think statistically he could be one of those guys that explodes this year where


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[Assistant] Not only could he have big yards and average yards, but I think he could have a number of catches too, because I think they're going to put him in positions a lot of times where he's the first read. Hey, Josh, he'll make the right decision. Stefan digs, you just get him the ball and bam, he gets it to him and we'll see what he does after the catch.


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[Assistant] Like, oh, we're just gonna make one guy our focal guy. Now, Diggs, I think, will be the focal guy there in Buffalo, but that's what's cool. John Brown.


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[Assistant] Similar skill set to Stefan Diggs. Smaller, not as good, not as physical, uh, not the route runner Diggs is, but can certainly do some of that stuff. Cole Beasley is definitely that guy you want to do a lot of that Julian Edelman, Wes Welker stuff.


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[Assistant] As well, but I think the beauty of that to me is with those three, with digs getting the meat and potatoes, I think of the majority of the past plays.


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[Assistant] I think the beauty of it is, you're not gonna be able to just pin the tail, you know, on, oh, this guy runs these kind of routes, this guy runs this kind of route, and this guy runs this kind of route, and we just need to be ready for it when they're in these positions. No.


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[Assistant] I think they're going to mix it up and you're not going to know who's coming from what direction and who's going long and short and everything like that. And I, I expect that Buffalo offense with Josh Hound at year three, taking a big step last year, everybody understanding that New England system a little bit better, which is very complex.


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[Assistant] I think it has a chance to really pop off this year and be a special offense.


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[Assistant] You know, I guess they're just super talented. I mean, super talented. Has the talent to be a top 5 receiver? I don't think there's any doubt about that.


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[Assistant] I think there's moments of him disappearing a little bit.


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[Assistant] I know, and, and that's, that's it. I mean, that's to me, and I think a lot of that has to play with the injury.


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[Assistant] Injuries. You know, he played through a bunch of them last year. I know he did. People in Dallas have told me. And he sucked it up.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's been something that's kind of plagued him throughout his career too. It was like, oh, he's not a hundred percent, he's playing.


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[Assistant] Uh, and that's why it wasn't a great day. All right. Well, Julio Jones is like, it hasn't been a hundred percent in like since the second game of his career, but somehow he always seemed to play and show up in every game. So I think that's why I kind of dock Omari Cooper a little bit is because of that.


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[Assistant] You know, listen, I think there's also a part of him where I do think the offense just didn't do a good enough job of trying to find him or, you know, going to plays that are going to get him the ball in some of these moments too. But you know, Omari Cooper, you could argue is the greatest, the greatest route runner in the NFL right now.


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[Assistant] Uh, and I think, you know, as far as after the catch and making things happen there, it's pretty special too. He's not going to break tackles and do stuff like that, but he can run away from people and make people miss. And again, a little bit like Stefan Diggs to where,


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[Assistant] He can do all that slot quickness stuff.


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[Assistant] But yet, just beat you deep for an 80 yard bomb, too. And that's where he's pretty special.


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[Assistant] I, I, I do. He's, he's a great, he's really a nuanced route runner. He understands how to change speeds. He understands how to sell, sell one route, why he's gonna really try to run another route.


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[Assistant] You know, he understands how to like play the mental warfare game with a DB too and setting them up for certain routes. So that's where, you know, he is awesome, but you know, Hey, the big thing is I think we hit on it. There's just too many moments of big moments where he's not there and he doesn't deliver.


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[Assistant] Uh, I, do I blame Dallas at times? Certainly. But I think I blame Amari Cooper too. He doesn't have that.


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[Assistant] And he, I think he's, you know, had some moments too of where I would say...


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[Assistant] Feasted on the poor, you know, you've heard me say that before a little bit too, where I want to go, okay. Oh yeah. He took advantage of, you know, you know, okay. Green Bay.


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[Assistant] They were getting blown out in a game of 34-3 and he got a lot of cheap yards late in the game when they were playing like, you know, pre-bent defenses, took advantage of the Philadelphia Eagles same type of way late in the game. They were down.


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[Assistant] So, I think that's what kind of like, uh, made him number eight, where he has the skill to be a top five guy, is what I'm saying.


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[Assistant] You go, okay, now I know what everybody's talking about and I understand he was hurt and this has been a guy who we know has been in a, on a team that's good, but not great. Been with a quarterback that's solid, but not great.


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[Assistant] Never been an offense that we would look at and go, oh, that's a special offense. But yet.


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[Assistant] He's not that kind of guy. He's not the kind of guy you want to run like that route where you run like a five yard slant route and then you stop and then come back out or you run a five yard out route and stop and come back in. That's not his game. His game is speed and length.


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[Assistant] And he's got very quick feet to get off the line of scrimmage and then reaccelerate and do things like that. But he is purely an outside receiver and he scares people because of that length and speed. That's really what helps him to get open.


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[Assistant] People back the hell up when they see him outside and he's going and then he can put the brakes on and catch a 15 yard comeback and do it all day because everybody's scared that he might go 60 yards over your head for a touchdown.


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[Assistant] Well, I understand it. It's scary too. I get that. Uhm, I'm, you know, again, I don't know if it's a scary enough injury for me to knock him out of my top 10 yet.


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[Assistant] And for a guy who, you know, he didn't rush back last year, I would have a hard time thinking we're not going to see a special AJ Green this year. And especially with Joe Burrow. And we never got to see him, you know, a part of this offense there either.


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[Assistant] One of the most impressive receivers I've ever seen in person in my life. Maybe that's making me a little bit biased.


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[Assistant] Uh, but, but I think ultimately he's just one of those guys that I'm going to say, nope, 2020, those injuries, he'll be okay and he'll come back with vengeance this year.


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[Assistant] You know, the offense wasn't great last year. I'll say this though. I think it's got potential to be like surprising to people too. You know, they can get.