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[Assistant] You know, I've mentioned this before and, but I think it's really important to repeat. The Browns lost a generation of fans because they were just, they couldn't put their shoes on the right feet for 20 years. My oldest son like laughs at the Browns. He thinks they're a joke because that's the era that he grew up in and all of his friends think they're a joke.


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[Assistant] Now, I, I got, we got AJ with us today and he's in a... He's got his Miles Garrett jersey. Miles Garrett's his favorite player and he, he loves the Browns and this is important to save, you know, the people that love the Browns that were truly like lived and died with the Browns were from the 70s and the 80s and they were the, the good teams in the 80s.


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[Assistant] They were losing the younger fans. I absolutely believe that. And you need this. You need playoff friends like this to bring the generations back. Otherwise, I don't know where this thing was gonna go. So it's, it's, it's significant just to, just to have this for the city again.


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[Assistant] Again, watching the players circle the stadium, it felt like, I felt like I was a kid again in the 80s, watching that bond between the players and their fans.


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[Assistant] I, I don't throw that Lebron thing around lightly by the way. Like I, I'm not aware of what I'm saying when I'm talking about when the greatest players to ever play the game. But I spent every day with the guy for four years and there was multiple nights where he would do something where you just sort of shake your head and shrug. Like it's our job to put into words what it is we see and what's happening. And there were nights where you just go.


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[Assistant] I can't believe I just saw that. That's, that's where we're at with this. This story is so remarkable and bonkers. I'm not calling Joe Flacco one of the greatest football players ever. I'm saying what he's doing has reached the level of the inexplainable.


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[Assistant] And I was walking around the locker room last night asking players, explain to me like I'm a third grader how this is happening because I don't understand. And the players look at me and go,


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[Assistant] Oh no! Nobody has a logical explanation for how this is happening. And it was funny because I was joking, you know, I've joked on the show before about, he's gonna get drug tested, he's gonna get drug tested. So I asked him last night, and when he was done with all the media, he was done with Amazon, he was done with all that, he was at his locker by himself, I was like, hey,


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[Assistant] I gotta know, when Jake Browning had that 300 yard game for the Bengals, he put on Instagram that he was drug tested. Has the NFL drug tested you yet? And he cracked up. He thought it was hilarious. And he said, long story short,


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[Assistant] You know this, you take the, within the first week of training camp, you take your street drug test and the PED test. When you aren't in camp, because he was at home, he wasn't with anyone, you do it immediately when you sign. So he said, yes, they did PED test him the day he signed with the Browns. But he said, I'm, I'm sure it's coming again. It's random and it's really not random.


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[Assistant] And Kubiak was with, uh, Kevin in Minnesota for one year. So it's not like there's a long history. There's a little bit, uh, the, the Browns, uh, tight ends coach was Joe's quarterbacks coach in Denver there one year in Denver. So there's a little bit of a familiarity.


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[Assistant] And so for, you're right, for these guys to speak the same language, to see it the same way, they don't have a deep history together. It's, it's the best story in the NFL. I keep saying it over and over because there's no other way to say it.


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[Assistant] Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski have done a magnificent job of building this team, of building this culture.


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[Assistant] We were texting with Aditi, we were on a group chat, and Aditi's like, I hope people appreciate what is happening. I think they do, but... It's better! It's unbelievable!


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[Assistant] You can't just fire everybody at the first sign of trouble. That's how you wind up with 20 years of incompetence. They hung in there. We don't give the Haslam's credit very often because they don't deserve a lot of credit as far as I'm concerned. But in this instance they do. Because they hung in there. And a lot of people were upset with how last year went. A lot of people wanted everybody fired last year.


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[Assistant] And you had to hang in there. You had to stick with it. You have to give people the chance to make mistakes and learn from those mistakes.


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[Assistant] Andrew Berry did not have a very good offseason every year prior. They, with the defensive tackles they brought in, they were a wreck. Andrew Berry hit every move this offseason. Every single free agent they brought in has been a hit. Every undrafted free agent they brought in has hit.


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[Assistant] They, they learned that they didn't do right the first time and they fixed it.


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[Assistant] Kevin didn't always hit all the right buttons last year, in the year before. There was a lot going on in case you didn't notice. There was a lot going on with the organization, with Deshawn and everything else. They gave them an opportunity to learn from that, and now you reap the benefits of that, and now you receive the results. You can't just cut and run every time something goes bad.


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[Assistant] And he commands the huddle. He walked in as a leader from day one. And I'm not comparing him to anybody else. Don't make this into a, you're saying Deshawn's not, this has nothing to do with Deshawn. This has to do with the guy who came in off the street, who was laying on his couch watching TV, and the next day he started quarterback.


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[Assistant] I gotta tell this real quick, uh, I wrote about it last night, but when he came in, when they signed him, so again, there was no real, real relationship with Kevin and AB and Joe. They were just, they, the way I was explaining to me was they literally just sort of scanned the name of free agents that street free agents that were out there, felt like he was the best one, brought him in for a workout.


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[Assistant] He really impressed them with the workout. The Friday workout I think it was. They didn't workout anybody else. They brought him in, paired him up with a bunch of street free agent receivers he'd never thrown to before. They could see right away the arm strength was still there. So then remember they signed him on Monday going into Denver week. He's running scout team. And


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[Assistant] I mean, he had Andre Reed there. He was the original Machine Gun Telly, by the way.


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[Assistant] You know what was interesting to me is Ronnie Hickman played so well in Juan Thornhill's absence. They can't get him off the field now. He was still playing like he had the pick six last night. They went back to the three safety.


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[Assistant] That became the Hickman pick six, right? Yes. When they didn't convert and then the Jets got the ball back and Hickman picked it anyway, so it worked out.


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[Assistant] I didn't like it at the time. Normally I'm with you, go for it. I wanted the points there just because you want to keep the momentum. But he has answered that that way before. Sometimes he'll say, I love the play call we have. And there's other times where he said, I didn't like what we had. I didn't like the play call. So I believe that answer, but it's always funny to me. Well, if you don't like a play call, why is it on the sheet?


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[Assistant] Mike, you're right. It's one of the most underrated signings that we don't talk about. He's been, he's one of those on the margins guys like Ronnie Hickman, like D'Anthony Valdier before, like those are rookies. This is Maurice Hirsch a little bit. Yeah. But these are guys that no one really talked about. It was a one year deal. He's just done a great job. Whoa, whoa, whoa.


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[Assistant] It barely hit the goal line. Great job by the Jets punter because he dropped that at like the 5 or the 3. Because I've said this before, the rule used to be put your heels on the 15 and anything that goes over your head you let it go. That's not the rule anymore. These guys are catching fair catches now inside the 10 because of exactly what we saw last night.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I thought Ford was, especially in the first half, I almost tweeted that.


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[Assistant] The wide zone scheme. All you have to do is put a foot in the ground, make a cut, and go. And cut back and it's there. And he's not really good at that. Ford hasn't been really good at that this year.


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[Assistant] Uh, I think they were just trying to run the ball and get out of there really at that point once, once Elijah went down. But the first half, especially when we knew the Jets were not a good run defense, that proved to be true. We thought there'd be opportunities there for those guys. There were.


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[Assistant] Ball security is still an issue. That's something you gotta watch. The Browns lost the tournament battle again.


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[Assistant] These guys, like, we could save that for later, but that's gonna be, Miles is gonna wanna play.


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[Assistant] It was very... It was okay? Yeah, it was amicable. I think there was...


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I was talking to a player in the Browns locker room last night about Ninjoku just sort of laughing about what a weird career arc.


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[Assistant] David's head. He came into the league. He was so young. He was like 20, 21, really, really young. It basically, I was talking, it was like,


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[Assistant] He was really athletic and he could catch, but he wasn't really a football player. He's become a football player.


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[Assistant] And we kind of laughed to the contractor. They were right. And there were other teams that I was talking to teams at the NFL owners meetings that were bitching about the Browns and the Nijoku contract and how they keep screwing up the market for everybody else and da da da da. And, and he's, he's earning every dollar. He's lived up to it. They got it right. And just to watch how


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[Assistant] Why is he open on every single play? Every single play, David Adjoku is open. How did defenses not know by now, like, especially with Noah Marty Cooper last night, wide open in the middle of the field. All the time, it's always there.


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[Assistant] It took me back to watching David, I talked about this at the start of the show, watching David talk with some kids in the stands, watching Joe Flacco hanging out with, it reminded me of your team in the 80s and how, I mean it was a bond between the players. We don't see that very much anymore.


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[Assistant] Trevor Lawrence is beat up. Gardner Minshew, either one of those, I think. I think you'd win any of those three, but I agree with you. C.J. Stroud is the one wild card you didn't have to deal with the first time.


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[Assistant] There's another gear. There's levels to this, as Gene would say. There's levels to this. It'll be another level. I'd love to see an AFC Championship game. I was going to ask Bernie about it. We ran out of time. I mean, the drive, I think it was the last AFC Championship game in Cleveland. That would be incredible.


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[Assistant] We actually mentioned, Zach and I mentioned Austin Watkins last night as someone who could come up against the Bengals if you're going to sit everybody. Yeah, sure. But they got to, we're talking about something different here.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, yeaah, see how they switch up, right? It's the Wayjoins, right? It's the Wayjoins, they got the double setback numbers, man. They got characters, man. Listen, you might want to get this down, because when these cartoons come out, this is going to hit different. They're like, what? He has cartoons? Yeaah, got cartoon characters. A lot of things in the works right now. Yeaah, man. I have no money coming in.


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[Assistant] And there's, uh, we've sent samples to those people out there, uh, for the beauty line. They love it. The ladies is loving it. Some people's, you know, getting it for Christmas. Man, they got the, we got the serum.


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[Assistant] We got another purple playoff coming out here. Nobody's getting these for free.


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[Assistant] All you gotta do, if you guys don't know, I do the barber shop here, uh, Tuesdays and Thursdays, mostly.


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[Assistant] I'm the only show you go on and you, I give out something every, every show. So you can just pull up, get the code worded today, put it in and I'm giving out. So shout out to people that's pulling up. You can't get it free. There you go.


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[Assistant] But, uh, I'll be helping Earl out with his own show. So, Earl, if you wanna talk about that.


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[Assistant] You did? So I was 13 years old. Look at you. I was pretty good. So you was good on your feet? You could have been the male Serena Williams. Did you play offense too in high school? Of course I did. I may have stayed in offense. What position? Guard. They stripped me of my tight end duties.


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[Assistant] Yeah, man, I, you know, first and foremost, uhm, our condolences goes out to C.J. Stroud. Coleridge.


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[Assistant] Get out of here. That don't count. You go ahead and sit that out too. So now let's go, man. We need to understand we need to go into this game. We can't clinch anything? No, actually there's about ten things you can't clinch.


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[Assistant] That's crazy man. Isn't that nuts? Hey listen, Flacavelli, listen, I told you, I'm all for the air raid.


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[Assistant] We run air right now. I mean, I've, I've, listen, I need double reverse flea flickers, all that good stuff. I'm cool. We air right now.


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[Assistant] When we was watching Case Keenum, ayy, we sitting on all the bootlegs, we sitting, ayy, there should be a defensive end sitting there, Indian style, waiting for him like this.


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[Assistant] You know, this game, this game, this game plan is probably the most cut, dry, clear game plan we've seen in a long time. That is...


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[Assistant] They, they're gonna have to run the ball in order for Case Keenum to be effective. That means on first down, I like what the Browns did against the Bears. They made sure that they sold out and said, look, if you gonna beat us.


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[Assistant] You're gonna have to just beat us on deep throws and contested throws. But we're not gonna be up here letting him get for a crack and then letting the pace slow down for the Browns. Another thing is, you gotta get out, you want to get up on his team. If I can never express this more enough.


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[Assistant] They have to, when they're playing this team, 10-0, 14-0, quick start, so that now you got your D-line on turf.


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[Assistant] And Ethan Poachers gets back, then I feel like, okay, well now the run game is back on. As constituted, from what I saw from Nick Harris at center, from what I saw at guard and what I saw at the two tackles, they just can't run the ball. They can't, they're not, physically, like when I say they can't, they don't, like listen, they're not, I don't know, I want to say this lightly,


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[Assistant] But come on bro, these dudes is, Nick Harris is not blocking nobody. Not no, not no nose tackles. Like he's too light in the britches. He lost to somebody on like a short yardage. He was right behind him.


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[Assistant] They're like, they're like, they are... What is, what is Ethan's injury? Stinger, I think a neck injury. Ooh.


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[Assistant] You know, neck injuries. So like, if they can get those two back, but as now, they're getting dominated up front physically. Like, locking out.


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[Assistant] Leroy, man, I gotta get to, I gotta, I gotta touch down on your finances real quick. You know, I like, you know, you know, I like hearing the best stories. We were just talking about typhus.


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[Assistant] You know, Leroy, y'all didn't have direct deposit back then, so did you literally have to go take this check?


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[Assistant] What do you do when, you know, I can understand it on the run game where you may, a guy may, they may bring more guys than you got. What happens if you're just physically getting pushed in the backfield? If you're physically getting dominated, what can you run?


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[Assistant] In the big picture, because he is one of them dudes that can throw you too.


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[Assistant] But he'll throw three for you. He'll throw the other team too, but he still, he'll come back and be delusional and say, no, I got it in the scheme of things, but the playoff team's involved.


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[Assistant] Are the Browns, literally this year, a legitimate contender? Like, legitimate AFC Championship?


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[Assistant] I owe him, no, I owe him too. He was supposed to get a golf shirt too, so I ain't forgot. We forgot. No. Get your inventory right, bro.


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[Assistant] But they already lost Fleming.


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[Assistant] Nowadays guys is in two point stands trying to block people. Like, think about it. It's not like, like, they used to talk about it with Urban Meyer. Urban Meyer used to run the spread so well and the quarterback was so essential to the spread. Some would argue that


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[Assistant] When it came time to get in the yard, and you snapping the ball five yards back to a running back, handed it to him to go six yards to get one yard, people start being like, is that smart, right? I don't necessarily believe that. And another thing, Joe Thomas, we would say, if you ask Joe, are you a better pass blocker or run block?


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[Assistant] But Joe, Joe, Joe Thomas will probably tell you, fast blockers.


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[Assistant] And you can give them help with tight ends or running backs, like, you know, you can, Kareem Hunt is a decent guy picking up blisters. David Njoku is really good at chipping and going out. I just think, from what I saw, look, just watching it, all 22 came out.


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[Assistant] And so, James Hudson is a former defense alignment. Christian, it's just, when you run in, when you throw on the ball, you can, you can say get it out quickly. All you gotta do is not get beat up.


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[Assistant] Yes man, it's a great time, it's almost 12 o'clock, so we will do a moment of silence for all of you out there to hit that like button on the UCSS YouTube channel.


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[Assistant] They told me when I told, they said it was random, based on certain criteria, and they keep sending me my bills. So yeah, G. Bush. Did you, you applied for it? They told me I wasn't eligible. Doesn't make any sense. Why would you not be eligible? Not eligible.


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[Assistant] It's probably my wife. She's, listen. Hey, you need to start writing stuff off, babe. You're doing too much out here. You're getting me drugged down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or giving me a dependent. Are you single?


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[Assistant] And, and y'all gotta make y'all mind up. I don't count myself as no journalist. Uh, I count myself as an ex-football player that rolled over and got lucky and started talking about sports. Uh, when you look at it, y'all gotta keep, y'all gotta make y'all mind up.


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[Assistant] If you gonna consistently give these MVPs and awards to people based on your cliches, then you can't come back and change it up and say it's about numbers. Cause you say it all the time. You, you, you make the point.


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[Assistant] Michael Jordan is the greatest of all time because of why. He's the best player on the most dominant team. We give quarterback, he's the best, we give Heisman trophies away. He's the, he's the best player on, on the best team in the NFL or in college football or wherever the case may be on the beat.


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[Assistant] So now, you got Miles Garrett, who by far, the Cleveland Browns, are the best defensive team in the league. They used to say it was the Eagles. They used to say it was the 49ers. Guess what? They're not just the Browns. We see it. He's the best player. He flipped his car, still played. He tore up his shoulder, still played. Playing at a high level. He's been dominant in terms of


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[Assistant] Whether or not you get double-team the most and triple-team, that's a fact. His pressure rate is the most. His, his, his, his dominance and being in the backfield around the plays, it just is what it is.


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[Assistant] He gets a 90 plus on PFF. He can affect the game even if nobody touches him. Cause your game plan is, do not let Miles Garrett.


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[Assistant] Kill our game plan. It's not even debatable. I just watched Michael Parsons get dusted off.


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[Assistant] Nope, we're not slightly biased. No, we're not. Here's how you know. Here's the thing, we're not biased. If you said take one defensive player right now, who's first pick?


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[Assistant] I be seeing the Browns, I be seeing the, I see other teams get, get points off the Browns by picks. The Browns gave us three points last week. Three. Whole point.


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[Assistant] You automatically, when you look at, you go look at any other platform and you start talking about defense. The Browns defense is the only defense right now keeping that corpse of offense in the game. Everybody else got their starting quarterback.


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[Assistant] There was nobody, the staff proved it.


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[Assistant] You just gave me some bull. Let me, let me give you this, Tyvis. This is great. This is, shout out, you just, you just unknowingly gave me an assist. Tyvis.


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[Assistant] Do you, let me ask you a question. I like to compare defensive line and cornerbacks.


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[Assistant] Now, one day I came in and we was talking. And we got to talking about Trayvon Diggs. Now, Trayvon Diggs, one year had 10 picks. But.


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[Assistant] Does not mean you're the best corner. That's right. You have said that. Now, you can take a lot of gambles, right? And you can just jump routes. Yes. But you can also be out of phase and get punched on and get dunked on. Happens a lot.


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[Assistant] Listen, you can get 10 picks, but you can also get 12 pass interference calls that spot fouls, right? You can also be out of position. You can be in zone and you might not be reading the same thing. Okay. Let me translate to them out here. When you're a defensive lineman, you can get sacks.


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[Assistant] What if I just say, I ain't playing, no run, I ain't delivering hands on nobody, I'm running upfield and- That's what JJ White-


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[Assistant] And guess what? They go right up underneath them. They don't count those places minuses. But those are minuses because you're giving up running lanes. You're not playing to run. And by the way, uh, TJ Watt.


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[Assistant] He's played all the game, I think. I don't know. I don't remember. To be clear, Miles Garret is gonna have to still make some plays.


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[Assistant] I'll throw this out to you. I think if he wouldn't have got injured with his shoulder. Oh no, we wouldn't even be this one. I thought this was, this might have been a year that you could find a defensive player to win VP.


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[Assistant] They don't, it seems like they don't even really want to vote for Brock Purdy. They're like, okay, I will vote for him.


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[Assistant] I need to knock down, drag down.


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[Assistant] Even when you're playing video games, it's hard, like if you're trying to get a guy numbers and it's a receiver, it's hard to differentiate between


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[Assistant] Who's he really getting it done? The quarterback who's throwing the ball to him or the receiver, especially if you got 1800 yards, 1900.


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[Assistant] That you would assume the quarterback at least has almost 5,000 yards because that's just thrown to you. So it's kinda hard to prove your worth as a receiver.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I see y'all. I like his nose for the football. He got them instincts, like, and no disrespect to Juan Thornton, but if you said who's one guy that you would classify as a disappointment?


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[Assistant] He's not really a disappointment disappointment like he's John Johnson, but I- No, no, no, that's J3. You gave him his name back because you got to pick against us?


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[Assistant] And they're in cover six. He's the safety.


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[Assistant] He gotta be over the top of that. So he was over the top, right? Mhm.


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[Assistant] Cecil, I'm looking at the way that the NCAA is set up right now.


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[Assistant] And uh, with the transfer por-poral. Now if I go back and look at you, them teams of Mount Union.


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[Assistant] I don't know if Mount Union would have been that good, cause a lot of y'all dudes would have been in the transfer portal, playing for big, bigger defensive Division 1 school. It never used to happen back then where it was a thing where if you went to a school that was lower, like even if it was a match school or a Division 3 school, you always wanted to prove yourself that you could play at that level.


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[Assistant] And now it seems like those players are getting that opportunity. I've seen guys go from Mac schools to Alabama, Mac schools to big time football. If you were back then and it was an opportunity to do that, how do you think you would have done? Would you stay there at Mountain Union or would you have thought about going somewhere else to prove yourself?


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[Assistant] So what you're saying Cecil is, in your mind, um, CJ Stroud is, uh, at this point, better than Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] He's tried out for kicking in the, in the CFL, in the NFL.


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[Assistant] But, what he's known for now is one-on-ones. So he does DB versus receiver one-on-ones and they go from city to city to city. Okay, so let's go! So they get high school players, regular players, professional players, he's done joints with Tyreek Hill, and basically he comes in, they sell it out, and they put the money on the table. Alright, let's do it!


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[Assistant] I think Tim can throw it a little bit still. I mean look at him, he's in great shape. I would, I would, is Jamario O'Neal still around here?


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[Assistant] Okay, oh yeaah, I got the Bruce Bowen dog pack. I can't dribble and I can't shoot from long range. But, you know what I'm saying, I can make a layup, I can play some defense.


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[Assistant] We can look at, if you look at the game last night between the Ravens and the 49ers, we clearly see that the Ravens is the best team in the NFL. The good thing about that to me is I know for a fact that Cleveland Browns can beat them with all things equal. And so when I, when I just...


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[Assistant] With all things equal. But when I look at everything, absolutely, I feel like the Cleveland Browns can, uh, is our legit Super Bowl contender. Travis?


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[Assistant] I would, I would put the Browns 3 over, I don't know, cause they both got the same issues. They both win at home, they're not, but the Browns have a better, no I would go Browns 3. The Browns have a higher strength of percentage win versus Miami.


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[Assistant] Well Miami has only beaten one team above five. Exactly, so that's why I will put the Browns through.


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[Assistant] It's funny, he talk about the Florida offense. I think this was like two weeks ago. I was listening to Joe Thomas on Cleveland Brown's radio network.


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[Assistant] You see him getting better and more comfortable with his office every single week.


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[Assistant] You see Kevin Stefanski as a play caller. Like I told Mike, man, my man's cooking with fish grease right now. It's like whatever he call is working, but I think-


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[Assistant] More so than just the flow of the offense, it's that veteran leadership of understanding the little nuances, right? Understanding what the opposing defense is trying to do.


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[Assistant] Um, just, just the, the movement, it's just so many different things about what he's doing. And it has me like, damn, like,


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[Assistant] Just seeing him recognize the Blitz, get the ball out quick, the one throw to Dave and the joker. It's just the veteran leadership, you know, understanding the flow of the offense. Kevin Stefanski with his play calling, and the Browns, like you said, they're doing all of this without a running game. Real quick, Tyves alluded to


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[Assistant] You know, guys get hurt and, you know, we're just subbing guys in and we keeping this train rolling.


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[Assistant] It's so funny, man, because, like, this is where I love Kevin Stefanski. I think he's a great leader in man. I think he's a, like, he just exhibits great leadership. When I was a supervisor for the city of Cleveland, one of the things that I learned in training was the art of delegation.


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[Assistant] Right? You train up your people, you put the right people in place, and then you delegate so you can focus on what your primary job is. When I first got promoted, I was doing the same things that I was doing that got me the promotion.


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[Assistant] But my obligations changed when I became a leader. We seen Kevin Stefanski grow this past offseason as a leader, right? You seen him look at his coaching staff, realize Joe Woods ain't it.


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[Assistant] Jonathan Peterlin, right, he told this story Sunday. When you talk about the development of relationships with the players,


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[Assistant] He talked about David Najoku in 2020 when Kevin Stefanski first got here. It's not like they, he said, I'm not gonna say they hated each other, but it was a major disconnect there.


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[Assistant] You fast forward to where they are now. And these dudes, like, they're bonded, right? The communication is there, the relationship is healthy.


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[Assistant] We've had a few Cleveland Browns players on our show in different ways over the last couple weeks and they've all said the same thing. They talked about the team chemistry, they talked about this brotherhood, this bond and going to war for each other or just being there for each other and blocking out the outside noise. And I think that's attributed to what Kevin Stefanski has done.


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[Assistant] And so you're absolutely right, you're absolutely right. Those relationships matter. And the healthier the relationship is, it's kinda like us. We all got healthy relationships despite what the public think when the cameras is off.


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[Assistant] It took me a while, like Mike said earlier, I'd rather be late to the party than not show up. It took me a minute to come around to like, okay, I don't want to play Buffalo right now. Anybody else in the AFC?


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[Assistant] I think I'm okay playing. I don't want to play Miami in Miami. They might put you on that sideline when it's 30 degrees hotter. But everybody else, man, it's fair game. Bring it.


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[Assistant] Baltimore, San Francisco, Cleveland, Buffalo. I would leave Detroit out. Detroit won last week, but over the last couple, five weeks, they've been kind of shaky. Dallas can't win on the road.


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[Assistant] You know what I'm saying, he's been making a little bit of noise, getting some quarterback pressures, etc. Miles Garrett.


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[Assistant] Has been playing good without the sacks. I'll give them that. Has the quarterback pressures been there? Not really. They wasn't there the last game. We just talked about the culture. We just talked about this plug and play. Jim Schwartz then set the tone with this defense back in the preseason.


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[Assistant] Give me the Darius, if I had the Darius Smith and Alex and Alex Wright on the EM and I didn't have Miles Garrett and I still have Flacco, I trust that the Browns can still do everything they need to do.


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[Assistant] Speaking of which, Anthony wasn't too crazy. Remember the first, uh, fence rider question he had, bronze was like 50 yards? Yeaah. We ran for 54 yards as a team. Yeaah, that's true. He wasn't too crazy with that. Go ahead, Mikey.


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[Assistant] I just know bad job out of me. I remember when we first got Dustin Hopkins and I think we was doing behind the glass and it was like...


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[Assistant] Maybe week two or week three of him being here and he done hit all these 50 yard field goals. And I was kind of dismissive to what he was doing. I kind of wrote it off like, yeah, he a kicker. Kicker's kick. Kicker's supposed to make kicks. Why we making a big deal out of it? You never really know what you got until you don't have it no more, right? Because as soon as that happened Sunday, I was like, damn, I want my kicker back. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I haven't been impressed by him. When are we gonna start seeing more Pierre Strong?


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[Assistant] I was going to ask you like, is that something that comes over the course of your career?


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[Assistant] You know, you talked about this last week when you was on this show, and the first person I thought about was Le'Veon Bell.


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[Assistant] This is what he said. This is what he said. He made his argument. He had a lot of facts for his argument for Miles Garrett. But then he came out and said the only difference between Phillip and Flacco was the touchdowns.


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[Assistant] I struggle with this because like, me and Mike struggled with this earlier. Like, are we talking top 10 for this season? Are we talking top 10 over the last five years? Like, because when we did this earlier, I had Amore as a top 10 wide receiver for 2023, and I got him as a top 10 wide receiver over the last five years spanning up his career.


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[Assistant] I want y'all to both listen to this. Cecil, right? Me and Cecil had this conversation and we were talking about speed versus route running.


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[Assistant] I never thought that. He runs good routes. When you look at these wide receivers as route-running assassins, right? It makes them almost faster than what they really is. And I can think about Teddy G, right? Oh, he was just fast. Right? Remember when he got to the league, he was just fast. And he couldn't really get open. But towards the later, like, back end of his career,


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[Assistant] And all of a sudden 10 getting us putting up numbers at the wide receiver position, right?


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[Assistant] Overrated sometimes because there's a lot of fast dudes who can't run routes.


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[Assistant] Right, or he's not the flashiest dude, but the fact that he runs routes so well and has great hands for the most part.


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[Assistant] I think this dude is a top TNY receiver. Like I said, I could be wrong, but in 2023, I think he's having the top T in season. And if I had to rank it over the last five years, I think he's a top T in that category too.


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[Assistant] How strong his arm was and how like, okay, if, if Flacco was in that pocket, he can really move around a little bit and you seen what he was talking about on that fourth down throw. You know, Flacco was kind of like eluding the rush.


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[Assistant] And Amari said his little things like that, that he started to pick up on about Joe Flacco, that's helping build the chemistry. But overall, like, you know, he's been asked this question a lot, and he just said himself, man, like, it's just something between us that mesh. It just works.


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[Assistant] 30 seconds, right here. Hey man, happy birthday to my mom, man. Today is my mother's birthday. I know you've been through a lot. Just want to tell you that I love you and I thank you for having me. Because you did that, I get the opportunity to do some great things with my life before my time ends. So happy birthday to you. I love you.


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[Assistant] So happy Thursday, we're what, three days from kickoff. Yeah. Three days from kickoff. And I'm looking at it correctly if I'm wrong, because I haven't really been diving into this. I'm looking at it, if the Browns win, they're, they're pretty much in the playoffs, right? They are. Yeah. I mean, it's not.


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[Assistant] So at that point, it's like hitting a 10 leg parlay. All these crazy things have to happen. If I would have told you before the season started that the Browns could clinch a playoff spot with two games to go and they'd be on Joe Flacco as their fourth quarterback, you guys would have looked at me like I'm completely


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[Assistant] It really is nothing short of remarkable, and it also proves what Bull always likes to say.


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[Assistant] And you think you know what everyone is. And then you find out by week four, oh, they're not what we thought they were. And there are teams that rise from the ashes and there are teams that fall way back. And it really is, I think it's the reason guys, that it is the most popular league in America.


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[Assistant] Because your team can go from last to first. It routinely happens. Happens all the time.


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[Assistant] Last week, the drop-tailed Mary, that was, it was a reception.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that was, that was brutal. And the other thing too, to kind of really...


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[Assistant] Put into perspective what's going on in front of our very eyes is that currently the number one seeds in each conference, the Browns have wins against. So I mean, not only is it your playoff bound in all likelihood, but why not these Cleveland Browns? Why not?


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[Assistant] I mean, typically, I don't care who you are, we saw with the 49ers that even though they were getting this miraculous play from Mr. Irrelevant and Brock Purdy, the second he went down, their season was over.


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[Assistant] Obviously, P.J. Walker was what he was. He was a band-aid on a hatchet wound and he didn't, but he did get us the win against San Francisco, but when they had to go down, San Francisco didn't have the luxury of going out and finding a quarterback because Brock Purdy went down in the Eagles game. But the Browns have their front office. We've got to give Andrew Berry all the flowers in the world.


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[Assistant] He's gone out and made two incredible moves that absolutely turned this sinking ship into a floatable vessel that seems to be going to a nice place. Joe Flacco on the couch one week, guiding the team to the playoffs the other, and then in Hopkins going out and training for this guy.


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[Assistant] After you've made the decision that the guy that you picked just a year ago isn't it.


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[Assistant] Like the breaking cl- break glass in case of an emergency. And they've got broken glass all over their facility in Berea because they had to break it for the running back. The kicker, the quarterback, they just keep making the right moves. And this, uh, this wonderful story, uh, continues and who knows where it ends.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so uh, kudos to Andrew Berry, kudos to Kevin Stefanski, and really the entire organization.


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[Assistant] It's been a long time since we can say that. It really has. I mean, it's been a long time, but everybody top to bottom has done their job. Busy show. Aditi's going to join us right off the top here. Bernie's coming in in the second hour. And of course, we're going to continue to break down the Texans and see how they match up with our Cleveland Browns. First, before we bring in Aditi, our first hello of the day.


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[Assistant] That's hilarious. Um, little did he know at the time he was holding his bouncing baby boy that one day he would grow up and sit in the producer chair of the most popular sports show in Cleveland. So I mean, because even you aunt, self admittedly, when you walked in the door, you would say,


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[Assistant] I love soccer and I like anime and Pokemon and I really don't know much about sports. And here you are.


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[Assistant] I do it every day. Anthony, you have done that and you have done that amazingly well and I think that this would be an appropriate time to give kudos.


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[Assistant] To your pops and to your family structure for raising, uh, a young man who believes in himself and is not afraid to face a challenge that is uncomfortable to him and on. Because I can promise you this, if someone ever comes to me and says, look, we would love for you to host a medical show, I'll be the first one running in the other direction. I know what I know. I know what I don't know.


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[Assistant] And uh, not only did you do it, but now I love it when you


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[Assistant] Throw conversation out that we all look at and say, that's a pretty good question.


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[Assistant] We didn't. We just didn't. So. It cost ya. Not only that, while there were two players on my bench, I beat Tyvis by 50 if I put those guys in the game.


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[Assistant] The faces with the gruff and the whole thing. Like I just, I just imagine these guys buying a house and fixing it up like the Property Brothers. Look at that picture.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's always been the case in Pittsburgh. They always did rally together and play together.


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[Assistant] And there was a time when Antonio Brown was obviously becoming more of a distraction than he was an asset. And you move on from the player, and I don't know how close Pittsburgh is to doing that, but these are things that typically happen in Cleveland, not Pittsburgh.


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[Assistant] And the roles have been reversed. And I think, Bull, I, I, I did, I disagreed with you last year when you said it. I said, I am not putting a shovel full of dirt on this team's grave. I, you know, do that at your own peril, but I think


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[Assistant] With everything that's going on this year, and particularly the division now that you're seeing between the team and perhaps the coaching staff, I think this is the year, Dee Dee, that I don't see them winning two of their last three, because remember, that's what they have to do now with 17 games to be over 500.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, she brings up a good point and it's funny because that absolutely is our next topic. The Texans defense, and I wish maybe we could have had a little bit more time with her to talk about that because I know she knows them intimately. She's covered their games. She, uh, she mentioned some of the stuff, Ant, that we want to talk about. When you, this Browns defense by a lot of metrics is top of the league.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but when you compare some of the, the big bulk numbers, uh, with the Browns defense, Browns have 40 sacks, Houston has 36. Browns have 14 picks, Texans have 12.


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[Assistant] There are some other metrics where they don't exactly measure up, but when you look at that, those are kind of the, you know, that's the skeleton of a great defense and they've been performing in that way. Now they've given up a lot more yards.


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[Assistant] But this is, this is a defense that can play very well. And I think if anybody's thinking that the Browns are just gonna, you know, roll down to Houston and have their way with this defense, I think, uhm, I don't think it's gonna be that easy. And they've gotten.


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[Assistant] I think it is. Yeah, I think it is. I said earlier that I thought Mike McDaniel in Miami was one of the front runners. Uhm, the fact that


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[Assistant] They have not been good against good teams. Certainly hurts them. I know Denver now has eaked their way to 500. Yeaah. And they absolutely


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[Assistant] Decimated Denver with the 70 point performance. That's a quality win. But outside of that, you've really got to, you have almost, when you call up their schedule.


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[Assistant] You're almost doing a double take. Right, because they've beaten just pathetic teams. They've beaten up on the doormats. Yea, right. And they've beaten them pretty handily. Right. But when they're in games with teams that are 500 or better,


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[Assistant] They fold like a cheap tent. Right. They've got, I almost for that now, the media loves them. The media loves them. Love them, but he's there's no way to me.


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[Assistant] I believe you're right. Now, the reason why I switched my way of thinking, I said last week and even earlier when we talked about this,


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[Assistant] Is Stefanski coach of the year? Yes. Will he win it? No. But I do think it is between these two guys now and, and D'Amico has to get his team into the playoffs. I think we all agree there.


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[Assistant] Gives Kevin Stefanski such a front runner position as it is, then you throw in, oh yeaah, game two, we're pulling Nick Chubb out of the mix. So your best and most dynamic offensive player out, and then the most important position to any team, you'll be on number four. And you've won games with all four.


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[Assistant] No one wants to lose him, yeaah. No. You wind the clock back when you have to change someone at that position. Just like the Bengals, you know, your guy has been mentioned a lot as a potential head coach in Cincinnati, the defensive coordinator there.


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[Assistant] He likely will get a shot at some, you know, he'll get interviews for sure. So, uh, you know, it's, it's tough because now you have to find someone.


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[Assistant] Who has the same philosophy? That's, that's rare. There's a lot of different coaching philosophies. His coaching lane, and you said this a lot because you really made it your business to know what he's about.


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[Assistant] There's not a lot of guys that are wired like he is to do exactly what he does. We talk a lot about how he looks at contain, how he, you know, how he rushes the quarterbacks. He's a different breed and you're not just going to go plug some other guy into this same defense and get the same production.


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[Assistant] I'm not either. Hopefully they can make sure they do what they need to do to keep them because uhm, you lose, you lose a coach like that. It is like losing a great player. Uh, it can be even more impactful because I think, you know, we already talked about the sum of the parts.


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[Assistant] We knew that this defense had great individual players. Hell, turns out J. O. K. Is a great individual player, but in the system he was in under Joe Woods, he looked by everybody's standards. He was, he was cuttable.


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[Assistant] Cut your losses with this guy. And now all of a sudden, he's to me, damn near locked to go to the Pro Bowl. At worst, he's in the conversation. And who would have thought that a year ago when we were saying,


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[Assistant] I thought he was actually better two weeks ago than he was last week. I felt, just in terms of production, I thought he took a step back because he had no production in that first game.


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[Assistant] that's the equivalent to t That's the number that ev think you're right. Didn't I'm not mistaken, I read


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[Assistant] Sounds like, it feels like you're right. It's usually with one or two games left in the regular season.


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[Assistant] My point to Jason was, Jason said like four weeks ago, after a nice win, oh, he gets an extension right now. And I said, what's the hurry?


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[Assistant] Like he can't go anywhere. He's yours under contract next year. Obviously the Browns aren't going to let him go into the last year of his deal.


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[Assistant] And to me, that's not, that's an absolute complete no-brainer. He's got his extension locked and it's just a matter of presenting it to you.


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[Assistant] I just can't imagine any world, even if they lose the last three, I just don't think there's a world where he doesn't get an extension. Just based on what he was able to do and what he had to work


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[Assistant] I don't know, because I know typically that, that award more than any other I'd like to give it to a, it almost always goes to a first time coach. Or a coach in his second or third year with that.


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[Assistant] But look, here's the bigger question is, is he the right guy for this team right now? And that's just, yes, yes, yes. You know, so I don't know that he'd, you know, be considered the best. As long as Andy Reid's still doing it.


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[Assistant] You know, and Bill Belichick is still doing it. I know Belichick's had a real coming back to earth. I think he's a victim of his own ego and trying to be the general manager of a team. He's learned that it's not as easy as he thought it was.


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[Assistant] He's a coach, and he can still be a very damn good coach, but he got sidetracked with the GM Carrot, and we saw how that went. I can't put him ahead of Sean McVay.


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[Assistant] With the way things are going. This might be an opportunity for him to leverage away some of the power from


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[Assistant] or of whispers from Berea that when it came to the Deshaun Watson move


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[Assistant] He was not driving the bus on that. Now, there's no way we can confirm that.


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[Assistant] Even if it were true, Kevin Stefanski would never let anybody onto the fact, but we do. If you piece the comments together, he was asked specifically,


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[Assistant] On the Baker thing, did you think that you could win with Baker moving forward? And his answer was yes.


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[Assistant] So it leads us to believe that some of the rumor talk that the Deshaun Watson thing was all the owner. He wanted Deshaun Watson and that was gonna happen. Now, if that's true and we don't know that it is, we've all heard the same thing that it's true.


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[Assistant] If that's true and it's made him miserable because now especially he's able to look at what he can do when he can put his kinda guy in there and put his kinda system in with the play action and the tall strong


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[Assistant] Traditional pocket passer in the NFL, he's like, see, this is what I do, and you can win with that. And they were telling me, you can't, you've gotta have this guy, and I didn't want this guy. If that animus raises to a certain level, he might just say, I'm gonna stick around, but here's the drill.


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[Assistant] No, but the big move that this franchise made. Right. We all know what it was. Yeah.


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[Assistant] There, we've all heard the same thing from Berea. So usually where there's smoke, there's some fight. Yes, but we've also, I've also heard that he was fine with moving on from Baker. There's not necessarily


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[Assistant] Because we all have bosses. If your boss comes in and says, this is what we're gonna do, well then, you better be fine with it.


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[Assistant] Or you just say what a good employee says, I'm gonna make this work. I'll make it work one way or another.


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[Assistant] And if that's true, and Kevin is, and that animus again raises to a certain level, he seems to be a pretty easy going guy. I don't anticipate that.


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[Assistant] His first five year deal. Yep. And give him a current five year going forward. Absolutely. And let's face it.


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[Assistant] In the world that we've lived in, if someone would have told you when they hired him, he's going to be here for nine years, you would automatically say, oh, that means we're relevant. That means we've had success. That means we're playing in January. All of that's a good thing. Let's keep it going.


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[Assistant] It literally is like we're all, you know, the Tin Man and the Lion and we're arm in arm and we're skipping down the Yellow Brick Road, uh, with Kumbaya and just, my God, I don't think I've ever seen Jason that happy. Never. I don't know what we told him to get him to do that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I think the more they go without a running game, the more it becomes...


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[Assistant] A must that he throw the football. So, I mean, I haven't seen any signs of life from the running game the last couple of weeks. Here's a fact for you. An absolute fact.


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[Assistant] That's the core of the line. The center and the two guards. I mean, the tackles are what they are.


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[Assistant] But you found out what it looked like when you were down to one starter out of the five. It was not pretty.


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[Assistant] And they wisely got Joe off his spot and instead of straight drop back, he was doing a lot of the bootleg sprint out stuff, which bought him time to make the touchdown throw, didn't he, Joe?


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[Assistant] I mean I could maybe be talked into two, but three is like


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[Assistant] Yeah, plus two is a bit, is usually a recipe for a win.


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[Assistant] The top five plus minus are playoff teams and doing well, and the bottom five are bottom five in the league.


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[Assistant] Particularly because first down has become more of a passing down than it was before.


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[Assistant] They just say, okay, well, you're not gonna get it. And that might be why they lead the league in three and outs. They're putting teams behind the sticks. That's hard.


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[Assistant] I think yes, because I said this Monday, at some point, the Browns are gonna have to find a run game. If not, that will be the reason for their peril. You can't go into the playoffs against really good teams and saying,


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[Assistant] We're gonna throw it, we're gonna throw it all over the place and that's just the way it is. Tom Brady's Bucks were that team last year.


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[Assistant] And they couldn't get it done because the defense was just like, okay, Tom.


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[Assistant] We're not gonna give you any passing lanes. Right. We're not worried about stopping the run because you don't even try to run anymore. You've waved the white flag. The worst thing the Browns can do in these last three games is give up on the run.


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[Assistant] They have got, somehow, by hook or crook, and if that means they stick with it, if you're 22 yards on 11 carries,


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[Assistant] No, you have to keep pounding the ball because you've got to establish the run. You have to, it is, it's, to me, it's priority number one for this offense moving forward. If this offense can become two dimensional, they're a, they're a problem in the playoffs. So I think they're going to work on the run and I do think they're going to get to 85 yards fairly.


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[Assistant] I'm banking on both of them playing with my answer. The other thing too is, you break one. And I don't even mean break it for a whole run. Just get like a 21 yard run in there somewhere, anywhere. And you know, that can happen. Now you got 60 yards to get somewhere else.


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[Assistant] Oh man, that was a really good run. First down, it was critical and it was a big, big cause. Pierre Strong? Yep. Had that run? Yes it was. Uh, the one thing too about the run game, uh, and I know you say that, that, that, that, that quick hit bubble screens and stuff like that can be an extension of the run game.


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[Assistant] I don't think that will supplant the run game in the playoffs. Just because you're clogging the middle and so many things become more open in the passing game if they have to defend the middle. And I don't think you're worried about defending the middle if you're looking at bubble screens, there's different ways they can stop that.


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[Assistant] That is very true. Think of all the runs that he's had that have been lengthy runs that were cutbacks, but cutbacks that he made the decision at the earliest possible moment that he had to abort. He did, went the other way, and that's his signature run to me.


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[Assistant] So let's talk about distribution. If you're in your perfect game plan.


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[Assistant] How are you going to carry, let's say they get 25 carries. How are you splitting them up in this game? I would want to see, you, you talk


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[Assistant] They were getting destroyed on the point of that. On every single play. And that's why it doesn't, it wouldn't matter if they had Nick Chubb right now. He would be a little bit better, but they were getting so blown off the ball on every single play that the run game had no chance.


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[Assistant] And I'm with you. I'm hoping that Pocic is back. I'm hoping Betonio is healthy. If you get that center three back,


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[Assistant] I think that becomes the wrecking ball that can open up the run game. And I, like you, would like to see either strong or hunt. Get a chance.


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[Assistant] I love the creativity of the offense last week on the play where they threw the ball back to Flacco.


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[Assistant] Or they threw the ball to Flacco. They had Hunt as the Wildcat quarterback. And then they passed it right away to Flacco who ended up throwing it back to Hunt.


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[Assistant] Not a bad idea to start him. I mean, we all think he's going to go for 300. Oh, my choice is, I think.


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[Assistant] You said, I think your quote was, I'm stealing all that. If I see a play, I'm taking that, give me that, give me that. The one play that I want Stefanski to steal that I've seen this year that I think is going to become a staple in the NFL.


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[Assistant] The Chiefs play that was brought back on the Tony offsides, the Kelsey run. And when you look at that play on the all 22, it's like.


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[Assistant] He's a piece of steel, and there are 11 magnets on the field, and they are all converging on Travis Kelce.


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[Assistant] Everybody, the line guys had turned around and were chasing him. The guys that were covering routes that were deep had left their route and come in. And the one corner that was over here on this receiver, Tony,


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[Assistant] I mean, you've got to have a super, super. Now, if Kelsey was a quarterback at Cincinnati, you've got to have somebody who's cool, calm, and confident.


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[Assistant] And so Kelsey's got, like, he literally had to know, I'm gonna get crushed, but if I don't make this throw...


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[Assistant] It could be a turnover or a sixth the other way. So he stops, he gathers himself, makes the perfect throw to Tony who is in stride. That plays unstoppable.


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[Assistant] I like it going to Goodwin too, and I like it to Cooper. I don't know if Cooper can throw the football, but it's a 15-yard throw, 10-yard throw.


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[Assistant] That's hard because the defense is already congregating to where you're pitching the ball. What made this play pure genius? And I do think we're going to see this a lot in the NFL moving forward.


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[Assistant] It makes it pure. You're turning it into rugby. This got Tony was all by himself because the defense was completely converging on.


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[Assistant] Now wait a minute, did you have that right? You had the question was will Case Kingdom throw for 225 yards? No, that's a different one.


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[Assistant] Spoiler for the last question. So only Jason then, can you throw the graphic up so we can see it? Only Jason believes that the Texans will have more sacks than the Browns.


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[Assistant] I do think I'll throw a caveat into that too. There's a lot of qualifiers. I also think that Miles Garrett has to be...


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[Assistant] A lot closer to Miles Garrett than he was last week. Sure. I still think he's got lingering effects. Look guys, I think that this is not a bold prediction, but I think at the end of the season, it's going to come out that he needs, he's going to need surgery.


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[Assistant] I just think the injury was that bad. And I think that him being the Ironman that he is...


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[Assistant] He's got this team closer to where they want to go than they've ever been before that he said.


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[Assistant] 75% Miles Garrett is still better than 100% of anybody else we can put out there. So I'm going to grin and bear it. I'm going to gut it out. But I do think at the end of the year, we're going to find out that he's. Oh yeah. Remember, same shoulder and same deal that he was messing with last year. Yeah. So get it fixed in the off season and be done with it.


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[Assistant] That's true. Yeaah, I think you're right. I don't think, I don't think the Texans are gonna be nearly as pass happy as the Browns will be. No.


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[Assistant] Now where do you do the barber, do you do that from here or do you do that from home? I do that from the home, uh. So you go home and you flip the switch to go live, UCSF? Yeaah, I'll be hustling.


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[Assistant] I always like Sean. Sean provides really good analysis. He's not afraid to give a strong opinion. Man, I like to say some stuff that makes you go, wow, he just said that. He really went there, but he stands by everything he says. And I like his, he's very authoritative with his takes. Yes.


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[Assistant] Well, I would, my, my hesitation to go in with the Knicks is you think that front office and owner is gonna...


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[Assistant] I wanna hear more. And by the way, all we can do is read tea leaves because Donovan is not gonna say, but let's look at what he's told us without saying a word. He didn't sign.


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[Assistant] That tells you that he's not all in on being in Cleveland for the future. If he was, he would have signed it. That's right. And so he told us all we need to know when he said, no, I'm good. I'm not going to sign that yet. I don't need to sign that yet. And there's a lot of fact to that. He doesn't need to sign it yet. It would be smart to wait.


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[Assistant] He could have set some smoke signals at that time and said, listen, I have every intention of staying in Cleveland and I will sign an extension, but I want to get the most that I can. I want to play this out the right way. And now it's not the best time for me strategically to sign it. So I'm going to hold off. He didn't say that. He just said, now I'm good.


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[Assistant] It's gone. So you better start working, and I would imagine they are. They're talking to the Heat. They're talking to the Knicks. They're talking. From their point of view, they don't care where he goes. They just want the maximum return.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm just, I know Donovan is a New York guy. His dad is in the front office of the, I think he's the communications director of the Met.


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[Assistant] He has not been shy about his love of New York. He's worn Mets hats to Browns games and Guardians games and all that. I don't care about any of that.


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[Assistant] What I care about is, is doing the right thing for the long-term future of this team. 100%. And if I'm in the front office, the tea leaves that I'm reading is that he is not gonna be here. He is not gonna be a part.


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[Assistant] Mowgli, Allen, and Garland. Now whether or not that core three stays together, I don't know. But you need to be thinking now, what pieces do we most need with the three that we have to put us over the top?


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[Assistant] And that's who you need to go out and make a trade for, if you can do it.


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[Assistant] No, he did, he did. But you know, here's the other part of this equation that we haven't really touched on yet is I think the elephant in the room is JB.


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[Assistant] They're just willing to sit in the lazy river and meander their way down it with JB.


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[Assistant] We all saw it. We saw it with our own eyes. We saw what happened in the playoffs when the better team got out coached.


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[Assistant] And we were done with one victory in that series. We were out.


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[Assistant] I think that the answer to this question might be, if you're looking at what they're doing with their coach, eh, maybe they're going to be status quo with the player too.


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[Assistant] Because now the thing is, well how do they fire JB now? Because he's without his two of his three superstars. Easy.


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[Assistant] Well, you and I say that, but there are whispers coming from the organization that they're going to sit tight now with JB because of these injuries. So what we're just going to push the can down the road even further on. You know, we always say it when the, when the front office comes to the decision that this ain't it.


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[Assistant] Perfect example, the kicker with the Browns. He isn't the guy. Move on. They swallowed their pride and their ego. They cut him and they traded for another kicker who ended up being the guy. They got that one right. But before you can get it right and fix it, you have to acknowledge it's broken. It's not working.


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[Assistant] And let me ask you this and you can answer too. There was some whispers early and we were caught up in the euphoria as much as anyone. Sure. But I had a friend of mine who covers the association say your only problem is making sure these young flowers get enough water.


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[Assistant] With a huge flower in the room now. Who's gonna suck up all the water.


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[Assistant] And that was an interesting analogy to me because the flower thing is exactly right. They're young, they're blossoming, they're growing. Well, if you steal the water from them and you give them to another flower that's already established, that one's going to continue to grow and be an oak flower. But these two over here need water constantly. They're young. And I wonder


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[Assistant] Did they stunt the growth of Mobley and Allen? Because they have not moved along the continuum.


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[Assistant] I think, and you've said that and I've said that and I think collectively the three of us have already determined this ain't it. No. We thought it was. We thought it was gonna blossom into something that could be, you know, a deep playoff run. It didn't materialize last year. They came back status quo this year. They did go out and get some shooter pieces.


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[Assistant] When they brought the coach back, and we saw early on that Mobley is still Mobley, and Allen is still Allen, and there wasn't a lot of growth and development in the offseason, we all kind of collectively checked out. And I think a lot of the fans have too.


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[Assistant] No doubt. Alright, we're gonna take a, uh, do a read and bring Bernie in, right?


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know what, that is a nice change of pace. This is a different Christmas season. You know, when I was a kid, uhm, and you were a part of this tangentially, I used to, all I wanted for Christmas was bronze gear. That was it.


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[Assistant] I want a Kevin Mac jersey. I want, you know, this shirt, that shirt. You guys were recording songs. I wanted the record. I wanted all of it.


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[Assistant] And then, obviously, I became an adult, and I no longer wanted that stuff for Christmas, but the browns became horrible, and their merchandising in the month of December went way down, because typically, that's the best month for a teen.


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[Assistant] Christmas, lot of, and your team's making a playoff push. But I find myself now saying, if I was 14 again.


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[Assistant] I want it all, man. I want the Joe Flacco jersey. I want the Amari Cooper jersey. I want the latest brown hats. And it's great that that excitement is back in Cleveland for the month of December because, Burn, it's been a long time.


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[Assistant] That's amazing. So what, you were really high on his performance after his first couple of games. What did you see in this last one? Uhm, is he adding to, because you said it's kind of like a pyramid. You put this base in and then you build on it every week. Are they progressing the offense with them?


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[Assistant] Now, for the record, it would have taken this team 17 games where you did it in 16.


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[Assistant] I said Monday, I wish I could have been with Bernie when Flacco threw the ball to Cooper and he tight roped the sideline for the touchdown. We showed that play and you got converging corners and it was just


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[Assistant] One of the things that I don't know we've talked with you about is


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[Assistant] The fact that this seems to be Kevin Stefanski's comfort zone offensively.


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[Assistant] Do you, do you see that and feel that too? Like this play for action fake and more of a pocket passer?


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[Assistant] He seems to be more in a play calling rhythm. Under center too. Under center. Oh I love it. I think this is, if he could dream it up in a laboratory, I think this is the offense Kevin feels most comfortable running.


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[Assistant] Then onto Dallas. I'm wondering what is an intangible characteristic that all of those teams had?


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[Assistant] That you think without it would not have been as successful as they were. And I'm not talking about the talent. Obviously the talent is, that's the building blocks to it. You've gotta have that. But the intangible characteristics, whether it's camaraderie or whatever that is, what is that characteristic that a championship team must have?


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[Assistant] And that catch he made back in the end zone last week. I mean, you know that's part of his tool bag, but often times that gets overlooked when his production hasn't been there. But then he makes a catch like that and you're like, that's why he makes the money he makes.


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[Assistant] That at this point in the season, the Browns are going to be on quarterback number four. They're going to play a substantial portion of the season without their tackles. Their best player on offense in Nick Chubb would play five quarters of football. What is their record?


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[Assistant] What world are you on? You wouldn't even go that far. I mean, I'm thinking four and ten. Five and nine with that kind of roster attrition.


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[Assistant] And both said that the Cleveland mentality is, well, that stuff always happens against us. What's interesting is, it's hard to bulk erase 50 years of memories. They're burned in there. Oh, they're burned in there. Yeah, I mean, you and I both know that. But what's interesting is,


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[Assistant] The more things start to go your way, you start expecting, oh, those breaks are gonna continue. And when you figure out, like, not only where this team is sitting today, they've beaten the one seed in the NFC and the one seed in the AFC. Why not all the way? Why not let's just take this thing to Disney and make it the magical year?


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[Assistant] Uh, from the last week's game. I don't know if you saw this. I had to watch it like 10 times before I saw it. It was right there playing his day, but I missed it. I kept saying, how in the world did that receiver not make the catch? It was in his grasp.


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[Assistant] And I looked at it from all the angles, and then finally, we came across one angle, and it showed something that I had missed, and I think Aunt found the picture. I don't know how we missed it, but here's how we missed the ball, Bernie. It's plain as the nose on my face.


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[Assistant] Much love, go Browns. Thank you, Preston. You guys are a big part of it. Nice comment, and we're glad that we can help. That's right.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Bernie, we had talked earlier if you were in the offensive planning room this week, how would you distribute 25 rushes for these, for these three running backs? How would you cut them up?


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[Assistant] Wow. Wow. My heart rate is just now settling back down to resting after yesterday's football game. They're the cardiac kids. There's no other way to carve it up. I mean, I know it's been used before. You have to go all the way back to the late seventies. Thank you. Thank you very much. That's what this tea. Oh, there's now the show. Thank you, Anthony.


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[Assistant] Unbelievable. Uh, you're right. I, I did, I sent, I sent the text. Guys, Fields can be tricky here. He's really good for those situations. He was at Ohio State. He is in this spot too.


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[Assistant] It's funny, uh, you kind of went where I was gonna go. As I'm watching the game last night, I'm sitting there, I go, okay, I wanna build my opening statement on a word.


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[Assistant] A word that sums up the season, and I came up with 50 words.


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[Assistant] All single words, but I, I, this is what I've boiled it down to. Pivot.


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[Assistant] In the micro and in of yesterday and in the macro of the season.


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[Assistant] That's what this team has been able to do time and time and time again. Pivot. They're Delta Blow at quarterback. Pivot to this guy.


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[Assistant] Delta, another blow at quarterback. Pivot. Another blow at quarterback. Pivot.


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[Assistant] Pivot. Our kicker sucks before the season. Pivot. One of the things that I really wanna emphasize in this whole mantra of pivot


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[Assistant] The run game, which was at one point this year, definitely a workable run game.


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[Assistant] For whatever reason, whether it's your down four of your five linemen, I don't know. For whatever reason,


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[Assistant] The run game has completely evaporated. Here's what I love about what they did yesterday.


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[Assistant] Okay, so what happens when there's no threat of running the football?


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[Assistant] You're basically keeping your eyes on the short intermediate routes. Because that's what, really, if you look at it, that's what Flacco was doing.


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[Assistant] To finally take the deep shot with the two guys that we know can complete the deep shot. We saw a couple shots with Goodwin early on. Deshaun Watson was woefully off in all of his deep throws to Goodwin. For the last two weeks I've been thinking in my head, Flacco, Goodwin.


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[Assistant] Flacco Goodwin. Flacco throws the deep ball. Goodwin gets past defenses. Why aren't we seeing Flacco to Goodwin? Run game was gone. Pivot. We haven't been deep all year. We haven't been that team. Run year nine. Go.


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[Assistant] That's, we're gonna talk about this later in the show. Which of the offensive tandem relationship are you most looking forward to the rest of the way? For me, I'll give away my answer now. It's that one. We can, we can hit that ball.


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[Assistant] But my word for the day is pivot. After every curveball that's been thrown their way, they somehow find a way to pivot and make it work. And I also think that there's irony right now. Their record is nine and five.


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[Assistant] Once upon a time there was a movie called Nine to Five.


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[Assistant] And here they are. Dolly Parton. This team is blue collar. Yep. They work. They don't care who gets the credit. On defense, we saw a game saving play three times.


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[Assistant] By guys you wouldn't pen in before the game started as guys that were going to make that game saving play. Yeaah. But when the moment called for it.


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[Assistant] The second or the third string, the substitution, the guy that when the, when we broke camp, we never thought would be a game difference playmaker made plays yesterday.


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[Assistant] There's something special going on. I looked back at the Hail Mary ten times. It wasn't until the ninth time that I saw it, and then I had to watch it again a tenth time. If you look really carefully on that play, you see a hand coming out of nowhere with a 32 tattoo on the back of the palm, and he knocks the ball out of the receiver's hands.


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[Assistant] This is enough already. Someone's laughing at this, but it's not funny.


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[Assistant] When you have four of your starting five offensive linemen.


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[Assistant] That are either on IR or out for the game. It did to me feel like we're one dimensional.


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[Assistant] Is your irrational sitting here one day for Gbush?


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[Assistant] Final grade, you know what it is? It's like the guy that, you know, in, in school, there are four grading periods. Yeah. You have four nine week periods. And you're right. D, D, D.


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[Assistant] But here's what I love about Joe Flacco and what we're currently experiencing when his college coach was on.


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[Assistant] And he talked about when he knew Flacco was special. What he said was supremely confident, supremely confident.


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[Assistant] Just, he might be one of the biggest bet on yourself athletes we've ever seen. When you go back to the Super Bowl and the fact that he had a pile of money on the table and everybody in football said, Joe, what are you doing? Joe under his breath said, I believe


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[Assistant] He rolled the dice, he kept rolling, he kept rolling, he kept winning, and he won the Super Bowl, and he got the bag.


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[Assistant] I think it was the best, it was the best I think, and the reason I say that is because with all the injuries,


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[Assistant] I believe Hopkins is a pro bowler too. Yeah, I do too. I do too.


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[Assistant] We are going to talk about that later, but it's funny that the guys that we thought would be the one and two in terms of pass catching.


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[Assistant] They've emerged, you know, I hate to keep saying this, but this looks like an NFL offense with the real pro-style NFL arm. It's not gimmicked. It's not, it's put your best wide receiver over here, let him run great routes and let your quarterback


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[Assistant] Why is it when I watch other teams, some of the other top teams in the league, they're just throwing the ball all over the place, making it look easy. Joe's kinda doing that right now.


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[Assistant] You know what, more than any other year, what a great year for the Browns to be in the conversation because the Super Bowl to me is going to be wide open. Especially in the AFC.


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[Assistant] But, I've been saying all along, someone better drive the death knell in these bills. Somebody better do it. Yea, they're a problem. Big problem now. The bills are going to be a problem in the AFC. They're going to make the playoffs. I think they're going to make the playoffs. Who's going to want to raise their hand to play them?


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[Assistant] Who can throw darts and is accurate and can go through his reeds and find the open guy. Yeaah. Now all of a sudden, we just mentioned, cause I threw Elijah Moore's name in there cause I thought somebody would mention him.


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[Assistant] Is it because he's staying in to chip and then releasing? Sometimes.


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[Assistant] I, I don't, I don't know that my answer to this is gonna be yes, but I think it's worth a question. Was this the Browns' signature win all season?


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[Assistant] Being down, scoring 17 points in the fourth quarter. They got great effort from the defense the entire game. I still look at that San Francisco game and you can look at this game the same way too. If the last play of the game outcome was different, obviously, uh, but the Niners could have made a kick.


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[Assistant] What was Bernie's reaction when he threw that two-seamer?


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[Assistant] He works hard, he does his job, he doesn't, there's not a lot of talk or flash to his game. Calvin Johnson was the same way during his years in Detroit.


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[Assistant] Flashy imports with the wheels spinning, but he gets you to where you need to go. He's reliable, he's dependable, and he goes to work. He's like Nick Chubb. I mean, not quite as good a player, but he's the same type of guy. And I wonder if that happened by, like, was that more accident or was that more design?


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[Assistant] Where these guys were brought into a city that really puts its arms around players like that.


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[Assistant] He's a free agent. Andrew Barry's move to the decision that we all watched the kicker, we were like, gotta go, gotta go, gotta go. He picked him.


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[Assistant] You made it right by not only releasing him, but he went out and found a Pro Bowl kicker on the scrapheat.


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[Assistant] Four games this year I think are directly attributable to his MP.


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[Assistant] 100%. You know, you reap the rewards of patience.


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[Assistant] Uh, I, I feel like watching Stefanski play call, I'm not as nervous because he's not as nervous. Even last year, there were times when I felt he was a nervous play caller. Just he looked, his body language was tense.


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[Assistant] Listen, you get credit in the hours after a game. Fans are emotional, that's what we do. But if you sleep on it and come in on Monday and still call for his job, you have to wear that.


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[Assistant] The reason I think this conversation is moot is because the hay's not in the barn. We're at, you know, 80% of the races run, 85% of the races run, but you can trip and not run through the stage.


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[Assistant] I thought they waited too long to put them in on Saturday. I might finally be right about my steel.


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[Assistant] The smartest guy in the room can't be the smartest guy in the room if he thinks he is.


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[Assistant] Marketing idea for Rama Holidays and Rama Holidays, everybody's thinking about calendars for the new year.


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[Assistant] Here's the idea. Now roll with the punches here. Women love them. The beard. They just, they love them. They love to look at them. They can't get enough.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the beard game is working for the Browns. We're gonna do Kevin Stefanski in a firefighter-themed, uh, poster, uh, calendar.


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[Assistant] 12 different pictures of our, of our head coach in firefighter gear. We're going to have to get the okay from him though. Well, here's why, here's how he's going to do it. This man does his best work when the house is on fire.


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[Assistant] This year, once again, the house is on fire. And here comes Tufanski with his stubble running up to the house with the fire hose. He's gonna put out the fire.


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[Assistant] On, on Wednesday or Thursday, he talked and he did it with no shirt. And when, when we ran the sound bite, his, you know, his pecs or his, uh, his, his neck muscles started just below his ear and they connect to his shoulder. He popped up and you couldn't hear the whole room go, and I'm anchoring with two women and they're both going,


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[Assistant] With the cut jersey and no undershirt that he gets tested for steroids. Man, this dude. I mean, when he shows up at the podium with no shirt on and he looks like he's a fitness model, not a football player. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] And if they make it to an AFC Championship game, and it's Joe Flacco.


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[Assistant] Yes. It is, because you're already hearing people say it, but here's the, here's why. They're clipping up right now. But here's the one thing that I think everybody will agree on. He's not a long-term answer. No. Or, or, is he?


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[Assistant] You know what? I hope we have that problem. Even if we do have that problem, I'll take it. I think the Browns are wearing handcuffs on this one. You were married to Deshaun Watson for three more years. It is what it is. Maybe you're sleeping in different bedrooms, but you're married and you're not getting divorced.


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[Assistant] You know what? The Bengals have the toughest schedule of all those D's.


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[Assistant] That AFC South is really close to what the AFC North is right now.


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[Assistant] And you know what? It's almost appropriate because last year in the second game of the season with Flacco on their side, they derailed our season. They really did. This year, it would be the second to last game of the season with Joe Flacco on our side and it can punch our ticket.


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[Assistant] Yes, I agree with that. Cause you know what, if it's a situation where the Bengals beat you and they go and you don't, I don't, don't put me in that spot. Not with Browning and not in Cincinnati.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you this. I think we were going to talk about this anyhow. The path to winning a division. If the Browns win out and the Ravens lose two of three, wouldn't the Browns go? I think when I was watching the first tiebreaker


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[Assistant] Wow. Stunning. I mean, their win over Denver now looks a lot better because when they beat Denver, Denver was trashy.


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[Assistant] There was a timeout that was on Russ that they had to use. So he was already hot. Then when they didn't convert, now his teapot's over.


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[Assistant] Oh, he was talking about something three plays earlier. Well, one play earlier. Okay. And then, and then, so I think that started it, but I think what...


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[Assistant] Flipped Sean was Russ' reaction to his first comment. You know how when you might not be that hot and you say something to someone and they overly react? In your mind they overly react and then all of a sudden now your fuse is blown? That's what it looked like to me but that wasn't a pretty look.


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[Assistant] That's even more likely that he was there.


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[Assistant] Oh, well listen, that's a little, that's interesting. Yeaah. I know. So maybe that's why he was in Cleveland. Yeaah. I had a conspiracy theory why he was in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] Well, the Leeds dished out their fines Friday and they all got fined. And Reid got it. And Myles Garrett got it. And Mahomes got it. Interesting though.


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[Assistant] And so, they penalized him for opening his mouth. And again, I'm telling you, I saw five or six instances of my own eyes where he was out.


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[Assistant] And Tony, by the way, I can't believe he's still on the roster. I really can't. And not just because of the idiot plays he's made this year. Why are you keeping him? He's pretty good. He drops one pass after another and he's spouted off again about


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[Assistant] The penalties are killing this team. I'm surprised it hasn't hurt them more, but they're coming at bad times. On first down and 10.


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[Assistant] Take this player out. This player out. Penalty. Interception. Everything's going against them. And here Kevin Stefanski is as the firefighter just finding a way in the house, putting the fire out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I do remember there were comments made that, you know, if, if he was out, the season's over.


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[Assistant] I do remember we had a big argument where after they signed Flacco and before he hit the football field, we


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[Assistant] We reassessed the team's Super Bowl chances. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] I really, I, when they went and Scott Brissette, I didn't think it was, I thought let him play for a year, let Hull watch.


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[Assistant] I want the Bengals to win. I want us to end the Bengal season in week 18.


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[Assistant] Okay. My 84 year old mother facetimed me right after the game. Wow. And she said, I just want to make sure you're okay. Are you okay? And I'm like, yeah mom, I'm okay. Why? She goes,


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[Assistant] To being in our family room and our old home in Sandusky at Westchester Estates where there was a home we grew up in.


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[Assistant] I can imagine how you watch, probably the same way you and I watch, like I'm sure when you watch the Bengals, the voice is elevated, okay? I'm sure it is. And I'm sure yours is too. When she first got that view of you, was she taken aback?


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[Assistant] Oh my god, that is just, now we need a graphic of those guys.


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[Assistant] Who wore the shadow better? The Property Brothers on one side of the screen, and then the Brown's Property Brothers on the other side. He's good. Anthony, get on the graph.


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[Assistant] Who I've worked with. Loved him to death. He sent this and said, Leroy says that you called him out and I looked at the date. It's like 1999.


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[Assistant] My first NFL game was way down the road. I laughed because I talked to Leroy since then. I was probably doing Frank Gore games.