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[Assistant] Two hours every day streaming live 11 to 1. You can time shift us with whatever fits your schedule. Jay Crawford.


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[Assistant] Adam the Bull, Jason Lloyd, G Bush, and behind the glass, Mikey McNuggets.


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[Assistant] I feel very cool. I'm great with that because the way I voted in 1, 2, and 3 is the way that we collectively, is how it turned out.


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[Assistant] Schwartz finished one point behind Joe Flacco for third place. Okay, I'll tell you why. Me keeping him off kept him out of the running and I'll tell you why I did it.


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[Assistant] We just had a Jekyll and Hyde defense. They were so great at home. They were elite at home. Cause we used the tag elite. I still hear by the way media members saying we had an elite defense. We did not have an elite defense this year. We did not.


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[Assistant] We had a very good defense. They were elite at home. They were so substandard on the road. It brought their average grade down and that's why I didn't have Schwartz.


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[Assistant] That's fair. Yeah, I didn't think that way. So that's, that's a good decision. The other, we didn't mention this. I don't think he's up for assistant coach of the year. He is Jim Schwartz. So congratulations to Jim.


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[Assistant] I, I, I can't disagree with anything because that's, that was my one, two and three. Uh, I, I didn't put Flacco on there because it did say off season acquisition.


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[Assistant] Well, he had a hundred tackles, twenty tackles behind the line of scrimmage, and three and a half sacks.


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[Assistant] He dominated. You're right, you're right. He looked like a big time player in a big time game.


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[Assistant] I gave to Sean the benefit of the injury.


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[Assistant] Everybody else loved that signing. He was number two. And for me, Jerome, Jerome Ford was number three. I thought he was going to be the guy. I really did. And he had every opportunity to seize that role and he just underwhelmed me this year.


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[Assistant] I had Jack Conklin, Conklin 2. Apparently I'm wrong because nobody else had him. And I had Deshaun 3.


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[Assistant] Gut wrenching video that even today when I see it, I, I squirm when I see it. It was devastating both in the moment to the player.


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[Assistant] For a second, if you could only have one of the two back for next year.


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[Assistant] Does Sean or Nick? Which one are you taking back?


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[Assistant] I would take Nick Chubb. I'm different from you guys, and here's why.


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[Assistant] He is definitively in the top three at his position. Now, yes, the quarterback is the more important position, but we don't even have Deshaun Watson as top six in his conference.


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[Assistant] Alright, we're gonna take a break when we come back. The offensive player of the year and the defensive player of the year. The votes are in. They have been counted. They have been overlooked by Price Waterhouse to make sure they're official. And by Price Waterhouse, we mean McNuggets. The Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show is coming right back.


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[Assistant] Alright, welcome back to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. I'm taking a quick second here to remind everybody that, uh, if you love this program, and the hope is that you do, today we're giving away our Cleveland Browns Awards for the 2023 season. Uh, then you're probably going to want to check in on these new offerings from the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show Network.


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[Assistant] You get the Ultimate Browns show. You get the Ultimate Guardians show. You get the Ultimate 216 show. That's going to be a mix of sports and culture and all things Cleveland and 216. And we'll also give you an Ultimate Cavaliers show. The way I understand it, these are going to be once a week offerings, half hour show. Is that correct?


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[Assistant] Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show in your Google search bar, and it'll take you to our page. Subscribe, like, and enjoy the content. Okay, Mike, Offensive and Defensive Player of the Year awards. For me, there wasn't a lot of drama here, but who knows how the vote turned out.


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[Assistant] Well, uh, I would guess it was because he finally broke out. He finally had the kind of season that we thought all along he could have.


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[Assistant] Now this was to me the one that was the most obvious, but someone else got a first place vote I think you said. Two.


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[Assistant] That was my one through three. That was my one through three. So let me ask you this, as someone who voted for...


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[Assistant] Uh, J.O.K. as the defensive player of the year on the Browns.


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[Assistant] Then you clearly can't have Miles Garrett winning the league-wide award for Defensive Player of the Year.


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[Assistant] I know, but the logic of that is he's not the best player on his own team. However.


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[Assistant] Yeah, let's take a break. The superlative awards. You do not want to miss this. To me, this has been what I've been most looking forward to all day. These will make you laugh. What's up with this helmet, Jean?


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[Assistant] Alright, we're gonna wrap it up with superlatives. Everything was on the table here. Jason, you're gonna start us off. What was your superlative award?


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[Assistant] Alright, here's mine. Mine was the biggest laugh of the season. You know, at the end of the day, it's supposed to be fun. You'll remember the play where Miles Garrett picked up Kenny Pickett's helmet. He lost it on like a QBC or something.


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[Assistant] Everybody was thinking the same thing. Oh my God. Miles Garrett has a helmet in his hand and it's the quarterback who's without a helmet. And we all were wondering, Oh no, what's going to happen? And I love the moment when


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[Assistant] Uhm, I like, I like it at B+. I thought he did a really good job of anchoring down. Some of the stuff you don't see at defense alignment, uh, defense attackers really don't get sacks. He had three sacks. But I think it's more of, of solidifying the middle of that line when you watch him, you know, go against teams that didn't want to run the football. I thought he did a good job of plugging it up.


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[Assistant] You may not see it in the stat sheet, but I think he did a really good job B+, and it showed with the overall effect of the defense.


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[Assistant] I felt that he needed to make a couple more plays. I know he's pretty good.


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[Assistant] Uh, in, I would say pursuit and run angles and, and being a last man standing back there preventing big, uh, big runs and big catches. But I think I looked for a little more production. He was also banged up most of the year with the calf injury.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I expected a little more coming from, from Kansas City. Uh, he's a, a bit of a talker. Uhm, maybe it was just this year he was banged up a little bit. Maybe we see that next year. But for me, I wanted a little more out of it. I'ma go with C.


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[Assistant] I give him a B+, man. I think he's a specialist. Uh, you need those kind of guys when you want Jim Shorz to be, you know, rushing and bringing in all these other defense events.


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[Assistant] I thought he did a good job of having some production. Four and a half sacks is pretty good for a guy that's not playing every single down. Plus he showed some toughness coming back, uhm, you know, from that, that torn pec. I'll give it a B plus and I think, uhm, next year I'm looking for him to take another jump to get around the eight sack mark, uhm, with the production.


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[Assistant] Uhm. You're a bigger man than me. The good lord above said, come on now, don't play around with me. I got you. Uh, it's a shame, because I think. It is a shame. Are you ashamed?


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[Assistant] Like-minded, right? Listen, you just, hey, I identify, let's go. But here's the thing, I still gotta give you a little grade. Uhm, and he, he was a guy that I thought was gonna open us up. We talked about people going to camp.


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[Assistant] A minus Jason, uhm, I love what he does. Uh, like you said, he moved to the middle linebacker. He communicates good, solid tackler.


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[Assistant] Uhm, really good locker room guy, can move a little bit laterally. I think he's going to have a great year being a middle linebacker next year and I think they bring him back. Uhm, really productive and uhm, I'm excited to see what him and JLK can do for the entire season.


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[Assistant] Just because of the Minimowski picks they gave up. I mean, it's a fifth. What do you mean? You know, you can't buy no bag of peanuts with a fifth round pick. He did a solid job. I thought he was a good locker room dude.


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[Assistant] Uh, this, this is tough for me. Uh, I'ma give this a C-. Not because of what the picks they gave up. It's just simple facts.


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[Assistant] That you're looking at the production that we thought we were going to get. This guy was talked about as if he was going to be not just a number two, this could be a one.


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[Assistant] You look at this production, we didn't see the playbook. They had him in the backfield. They sold us on him being a Percy Harvin type, running the ball in reverses. We saw a couple of reverses and that was it. I mean, I'm going to give it a C minus for me. It's a D plus for me.


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[Assistant] So far, yeaah. I'm looking at it like this, if you find a starter in the draft where you find Dwayne Jones especially as an impact position of offense to tackle,


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[Assistant] Take it. I like that. I'm gonna give it a C+. Uh, I think Hickman could turn into somebody.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think Wippler will start to pay dividends. You'll see him play a little more guard, a little more center this year. Uhm, and then besides that, Cedric Tillman has the requisite tools.


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[Assistant] I just want to see him lock in a little more, run the right routes and go up and contest and get contested catches, which they got him for. He looked like he gave up on a couple routes. I'll give it a C+. Alright, so in general, we're right around


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[Assistant] Given what you had, I mean, the turnover thing, that's not.


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[Assistant] Now, I asked Earl earlier, we take Behind the Glass this morning, it'll air tonight, so make sure you guys tap in 5 o'clock.


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[Assistant] Would you rather watch Stephen Kwan and Miles Straw take batting practice, or would you rather watch Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa take batting practice? Like there's nothing wrong with watching professional hitters, but if PEDs makes it better...


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[Assistant] Once again, that is FanDuel.com slash UCSS. Make every moment more with FanDuel, an official sportsbook partner of the NFL. We got a bunch of winning tickets. We got two to get to today. We'll do one in the first hour, one in the second hour.


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[Assistant] Three, three, three, two, three, eight profit. 32 to one essentially. So shout out to Andrew Shane.


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[Assistant] We're gonna hop into our first topic here, and G, I'm gonna set this up, and I'll let you... That's Mike, we'll just... ...kinda run with it, because...


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[Assistant] What will it take you, what will it take for you to get on board and support him?


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[Assistant] We'll finish this when we got two more and then we'll, uh, open it up to what you guys think. But this also said no vague. Sorry for those. I hurt. We can move on now. No puff pieces with team arranged reporters. No, I'm focused on football accountability.


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[Assistant] Two more, aunt. Joker says, my son asked if he could ever have a Watson jersey. The answer was, without hesitation, no. I said we will not root for the Browns, uh, we will root for the Browns, but you will never wear that man's number on your back. I did not explain the allegations, but that's what it is. And last but not least, aunt.


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[Assistant] He doesn't connect with the fan base like Flacker, uh, Flacco and Baker. This is Joe Peary. I'm giving Watson a chance. I just haven't seen anything impressive yet. We keep talking about a couple good halves of football.


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[Assistant] When, if he's not what he's supposed to be, the conversation should be about a couple of bad halves. So that's a very brief picture of the 600 plus responses we got this week.


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[Assistant] Alright guys, that was uh, that was fascinating. We're gonna move on to our next topic in a sec, but I know we come to sports.


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[Assistant] Joe Marino, who's the Locked On Browns podcast host. We interviewed him yesterday morning. Gia Bull came in early to do this interview.


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[Assistant] To get some insight into Ken Dorsey as a play caller and a play designer, and we're going to react to this and it's about 10 minutes long, but it's a really good insight from Joe Marino. This is from yesterday morning, the Locked On Bills podcast host talking about Ken Dorsey as a play caller and a play designer and how it'll fit in here in Cleveland. Take a listen.


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[Assistant] The NFL Chris Rose recently sat down with Albert Bell, a Cleveland Indians legend. Here's a little preview of what Albert Bell said to Chris Rose and we'll bring Chris on to talk about that discussion.


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[Assistant] While speaking of potential heartbreak, Cavaliers fans could be in for it tomorrow night if Jared Allen does not get named to the Eastern Conference All-Star team. The question today isn't, do you think he will or will not? The question is, do you think he deserves one of the seven reserved spots on the Eastern Conference All-Star roster? Yes!


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[Assistant] I think, so the question, is he deserving of an all-star spot? In a vacuum, yes, he's playing at an all-star level. But there's seven spots, and most likely, Joel Embiid's the starting center. He's voted in, that's unquestionable. He'd have to get in over one of these next four guys.


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[Assistant] And probably if I'm ranking of the five, I probably have them third. You look at the stats to see if they take 175 full. Bam Adebayo has been the number one player on Miami this season. The stats are almost comparable. Both great defensive players. Bam's numbers are better.


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[Assistant] Banslump and Jimmy Butler's only played half the game, so he doesn't have a Donovan Mitchell counterpart. You go to Palo Banca or go down with Steve.


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[Assistant] These are all deserving players. I'm just looking at these from a side by side. Bankero's scoring numbers are a little better. His rebound's a little lower. Nowhere near the defender Jared Allen is. But Orlando's been kind of the surprise of the Eastern Conference this year.


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[Assistant] So this year, G, and defensive win shares is probably the closest thing you could get to like a defensive rating. I'll go him versus Bam. They're almost identical in defensive metrics this year. Uh, Jared Allen's a 2.2 win share this season defensively.


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[Assistant] Uh, they've played the same, uh, BAM's played one less game, so you're looking at the same sample size. Uh, BAM's 2.1, Jarrett's 2.2, which is essentially, uh, exactly the same. And their defensive box score plus minus is both in the 1.5 to 1.9 range, which is a negligible difference, so.


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[Assistant] So like I said, there's seven reserve spots. It's voted on by coaches. So this is just a coach vote. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I don't know, and I guess every coach would do this differently. Are you putting guys in who are going to put on the best show? Are you putting guys in to win? I don't think coaches care about that, do they? No, and that's what I'm saying. I don't think they would.


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[Assistant] I'd be surprised just because of the quality of guards in the Eastern Conference, and you're looking at, if you're gonna get another center in.


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[Assistant] Yeah. I can't put them over. I can't see them taking two centers on seven reserve spots is my issue. No, I think Jared Allen gets squeezed out and probably makes it in. And I know Randall's not a real center.


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[Assistant] He's playing at an all-star level. It's not like he's not playing at the level to make an all-star. Not a lot of spots. I'm just not sure if the spots meet the criteria. And on the Western Conference...


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[Assistant] There's going to be a really, really good guard who gets us off the spot. And on Friday morning, you're going to see player X got snubbed. And it could be Steph Curry. Just don't announce it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, let me just real quick on the Steph thing, because Earl just looked at me. He's not a starter. Most likely, three of these four guards are gonna get in, and one's not. Steph, Booker, De'Aaron Fox, and there's one more, I'm dropping on top of my head.


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[Assistant] I know we come to sports and we go to Cavs games to escape the realities of real life, but let's just take a minute.


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[Assistant] I can't imagine a more helpless feeling than Anthony or Earl or one of our OG members like Creative Juice, Evan419, Phil Bowman or Eddie E getting sick while a supply chain issue keeps them from their life saving medication, but thankfully we'll all be okay because of Jace Medical. The Jace case is a pack of five different antibiotics that treat a long list of bacterial illnesses including


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[Assistant] UTIs, respiratory infections, and a handful of other harmful things that could happen to any of us. So make sure you visit jacemedical.com, complete the physician encounter so it can be reviewed by a board certified physician, and then your medications get dispensed by a licensed pharmacy at just a fraction of the regular cost. It's never been more important to be prepared than today. So from Bull, Jay, G, Tyvis, and myself,


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[Assistant] Super Bowl Sunday is all about scoring the best seats on the couch, grabbing your favorite football snacks and placing some super bets. Next week we'll talk a ton about some Super Bowl props.


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[Assistant] Slice says the Browns have the playoffs, the Cavs have the playoffs, the Guardians are like, hey, at least we signed Austin Hedges.


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[Assistant] Charles T says, I live overseas. I listen to almost every Cleveland sports show and podcast. Even when I was in Afghanistan within the Cleveland media, does the competition get heated? Well, you want to answer that one?


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[Assistant] Christian Ortega says, if Watson continues to win, I could care less about his stats. I just want a winning quarterback in Cleveland. And Vigilant Hawk says, the real question is how do you have 20 plus accusers and not a solid piece of evidence? And those are the super chats for today.


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[Assistant] Wait, we got one that just came in with 10 seconds left, Charles T. Who in Cleveland media would you want to have a celebrity boxing match with?


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[Assistant] Because I thought it was necessary. Because it's, you're a, I feel like I'm in the middle here. We actually are sitting perfectly. He is a baker bro. He's an admitted baker bro. I own Switzerland.


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[Assistant] Oh, I mean, I was disappointed in it. I mean, defensively, I thought that this whole season, they've been very solid. They play really good. And I thought going into this game, the reason that I was not worried is because I thought, you know, you got this great pass rush and you got this great secondary.


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[Assistant] You know, the thing that got to me at the beginning of that game was, the first thing that got me was when they, when Nico Collins ran the over route and he beat Denzel. I'm sitting there trying to think to myself, Denzel looks like he's not 100%.


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[Assistant] I don't know. I really don't know. I think that you build trust with your guys and you think, you know, for 17 weeks these guys have handled it like professionals. They went out there and played hard. So why would this game change? If anything, it should amp it up. But everyone saw it did change. Yeah, but it definitely was not the same.


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[Assistant] I thought that Miles Garrett didn't have a really good game, and that's, and it really bothered me about that because...


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[Assistant] I think that going into that game, every offensive coordinator goes into that game, and the first thing they say is, how do we take care of Myles Garrett? We have to figure out how to take care of him. And all year we've been hearing about double teams and triple teams with Myles Garrett.


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[Assistant] So what happens? Oh, Bobby Sloan was sitting there. First of all, shout out to Bobby Sloan. That was my, which he's a remarkable story. Bobby Sloan started off as the scout team guy. You come in the meetings, he'll tell you, this is the look that we got to show our offense and then we go out and he's the one that holds the card and say, this is what you got.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that was me and Bobby. That was me and Bobby Sloan. So shout out to Bobby Sloan for being an OC.


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[Assistant] I thought he was saying song. Anyways, we, uh, we used to go out, or not us,


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[Assistant] Larry McTungsle went out there and he handled Myles Garrett 101 and Bobby was like, oh, you can handle it. Okay, so let's get more guys out. We don't have to slide the line. We don't have to waste the tight end or run it back to that side. He can handle it. So now we can open up this playbook.


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[Assistant] One, Nico Collins was killing us. Denzel needed to, either Denzel or Jim Swartz. Listen, you are...


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[Assistant] Uh, you getting paid as one of the top corners in the league. You gotta come out and have that dog in you and say, listen, the only way we gonna say this is if I lock up Nico Collins. I gotta take him. I don't care about that playing side stuff no more. Wherever he go, I go. I seen Sherm do it. I seen all these great corners do it. You gotta be the one to come up and say, listen, I got him for the rest of the guy.


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[Assistant] Up until that point, they've been really good at doing such a thing. And it just kinda got away from it to a point where as a coach, as a defensive coordinator, you gotta say, listen, we gotta nip this in the bud.


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[Assistant] That was going to be their number one focus. Amari Cooper was hurt. Obviously he caught that over route and he just was never the same after that. He got up slow with the heel injury. But Stingley did what Denzel should have done. Stingley played his side the entire season, but in that game he said,


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[Assistant] It just didn't, for some odd reason, translate to the field on Sundays. So, that's where he's at. I think he's a really good talent. I think he has a ton of talent. He can make plays. He's shown at moments he can make plays.


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[Assistant] Consistency and doing it on Sundays is two problems with him.


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[Assistant] I think, anybody that's in the NFL, I would never say that they're not good. I wouldn't either. We're talking about relatively speaking.


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[Assistant] If you ask me should the Cleveland Browns go get a number two wide receiver, I would tell you absolutely. Thank you.


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[Assistant] Well, the first thing they better do is, uh, switch this contract up. That's the number one on the list. 16 million? Is that where, is that right? I think that's his capital.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, they're not taking that cap hit. And I think he would probably understand why they wouldn't want to take that cap hit. Uhm, I trust Nick Chubb to get, you know,


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[Assistant] So, Nick Chubb is a year younger, but he tore both of them though, didn't he? ACL and MC?


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[Assistant] Let's start again next year. We can get off of this question after this. Let me ask you this. Say Nick Chubb doesn't quite get back to Nick Chubb, but it's close. It's not all the way there. Right. Are you comfortable with Jerome Ford being too?


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[Assistant] That's the difference. But you don't think that this season made you think, was it, is Nick Chubb that good or is our offensive line, and our offensive line is that bad?


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[Assistant] We've seen that version. So if the offensive line is that good and open that many gaps, is Jerome Forge is not hitting them?


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[Assistant] We're in the same place. I think I'm right there with you. Yeah. I think that what he did this season.


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[Assistant] I think it shows me that he's, he's got the right makeup. He's in the right ballpark. He's headed in the right direction. I mean, to...


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[Assistant] I think that that shows you that he actually knows what he's doing as a head coach. And for the longest time, people would never stand up there and say that, but I think this year more time than not showed you that he is and the players respond to what he's bringing to the table. So I think absolutely, I think he is the right guy.


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[Assistant] Just because of the players respect him and his respect for the players and his love for you, the love that they have for each other.


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[Assistant] Finally getting the right coaching staff and the right guys to fit into what he wants to get done. It was the perfect thing for him this year, so I would say he is the right man. Will he 100% win? I don't know about that, but I do believe, I'mma say I'm about 65% he can lead them to a championship.


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[Assistant] The only thing I would need you to do is to go right up on channel 3 and say it. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a story today.


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[Assistant] So this is an interesting question. I think you definitely rode with DTR because he's the young guy, he's on the roster, he's cheap, and you don't have to pay him no money right now. And I think that he went one and two I think as a starter.


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[Assistant] And I think overall he did things decently well. I thought that before he got hurt and suffered that concussion, he was trending upwards. I thought he was doing some really nice things. So I think there's something there to grow off of and work with. He's just a young guy. He'll get better.


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[Assistant] Now the Flacco thing is interesting to me. Now I would not bring Joe Flacco back as a player. I just, it's just too much. Oh, you can bring him as a coach. If he decides, if he wants to retire and come coach or be an assistant quarterbacks coach or somebody like that.


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[Assistant] I think it would be wonderful for him to do that because I think that he just brings, there's something about him that just brings excitement to a team and I think he's very knowledgeable. No quarterback, even, I don't think Baker, Jacoby,


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[Assistant] Anybody that you want to name that Kevin Stefanski has brought in here has run that offense and made it look as good as Joe has. So he knows something. There's a skill set that Deshaun can learn from, BTR can learn from. I think he knows something. He understands.


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[Assistant] How to be comfortable with turning your back to a defense and then coming back forward and taking a picture and then going through your progressions. He gets that.


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[Assistant] For some odd reason, younger quarterbacks don't understand that, or Deshaun and DTR is more shotgun. I mean, especially Deshaun. I mean, he was in college and they ran the spread, and as we know, Deshaun loves to operate out of the shotgun.


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[Assistant] But I think this season more than not showed you that Kevin Stavanski has a really good offense and knows what he's doing. And if you can just...


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[Assistant] Take what Joe Flacco did. We know that Joe, we know that Deshaun Watson is more talented. He can be more dangerous on the boots and all in the play actions because he's mobile.


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[Assistant] If you could just take and learn what Joe Flacco did and understand how to take that picture and be comfortable with turning your back to the defense, it would make you that much of a better quarterback. Not just Tshon, but DTR as well. So I think there's a ton of value of him coming back as a coach.


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[Assistant] But if you bring them back as a player, it's gonna be a time where Deshawn's gonna mess up and the whole team's gonna revert and wanna look at Joe Flacco and it's just gonna cause too much. We've seen it happen with the 49ers. Brock Purdy emerged, Jimmy Garoppolo had to get up outta there. Don't wanna see the same thing in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] To be fair, to be fair on that aspect, what they spend together, three days?


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[Assistant] I'm glad you, uh, worded it that way because at the beginning of this year, we said, if the shot watch does play well, this season's over with it. That was not the case. The shot watch went out and they steal maybe.


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[Assistant] And I don't like, let me see that DTR graphic one more time. That's not fair. I mean, I know it's what it is, but that's not really fair as far as the touchdown intercessions because he threw like two or three touchdowns.


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[Assistant] Last point, then we can move on. This is real quick. Joe Flacco did wrong because before Joe Flacco got here, Jacoby Brissette was the greatest backup in Cleveland history and you don't even know his name anymore because of Joe Flacco. Ain't that crazy?


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[Assistant] I'm just telling you from a former player what I see.


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[Assistant] I think the Browns defense, they have a solid foundation. They have all the key pieces, but at times they do things that bad defenses, that leads to bad defense. And the three things that I learned


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[Assistant] I learned that there's three things that tells you if a defense is good. It's the ability to leverage the football, it's the ability to eliminate explosive plays, and it's the ability to tackle.


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[Assistant] And it's at times, the Browns look as good as anybody. They do those three things and I mean they look unbelievable.


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[Assistant] But then you have games where they don't do those things. They give up their explosives, they lose leverage, and they don't tackle as well. So,


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[Assistant] Is somewhere, are they great? No. They're, they're good because they have performances that's really good. But for some odd reason, it's not translating every week.


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[Assistant] The one thing I will say is that they have some pride and some stuff about themselves.


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[Assistant] I give that credit to Jim Swartz because obviously a year ago that wasn't there. They have the makeup to be a great defense, but they have to be consistent. I don't know what's the, the, the reasoning for being good at home and being bad away.


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[Assistant] The worst thing you ever said to a former, to an opponent. You probably can't say it. I told, I, well, this is factual. I told, I told y'all the worst thing I ever did, the worst trash talk I ever said, which technically wasn't trash talk, it was all factual, is that I told a player that we was going against. Who?


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[Assistant] It was a fact. Did he know this? He did when I said her name to him. He thought that it was all jokes until I dropped her name. He was like, oh yeah, you really do know it. I'm like, I'm trying to tell you. Oh my god.


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[Assistant] How many months in the lab? What's Conklin's contract year? Like how many years? You don't want to know. I think it's three. Three more. So you want to move the one to left?


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[Assistant] And then you'll have to worry about that for another two or three years because he's still on the rookie deal. What are Conklin's numbers?


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[Assistant] I feel like they did it because they knew that they was going to move off of Jed. Jack's been pretty good as a right tackle when he's healthy.


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[Assistant] So they probably was like, we gotta worry about J.I. right now.


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[Assistant] When you look at this offense, I think that if you're going to become a, with Nick Chubb coming back and not understanding what he's going to be, we're all confident that he can get back to himself. This thing is still going to revolve around Deshaun Watson. You still got to get Deshaun some weapons, but you got to get a guy that's proven.


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[Assistant] As great as this offense has been in these last five weeks, the number one thing that's still missing is the ability to take the top off.


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[Assistant] Amari Cooper is your guy who you go, you throw the ball too deep, and he's not even a burner like that. Just imagine if you got a guy that can actually take the top off. A Pooka Nakua. Something like that. Pooka Nakua. As a former DB, I will tell you.


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[Assistant] The number one thing that scares a DB is speed. It just is. If you know that that guy runs a 4-2 or 4-3, you just play totally different. You always, you never, every DB's biggest fear is getting beat deep.


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[Assistant] That's just what it is. Giving up the D-Bomb. So when you see a guy, whether he can catch it or not, you still gonna respect him.


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[Assistant] I think if you get a playmaker there that actually knows how to catch deep balls and go down the field and stretch the field, it opens things up. You got Dave Nijoku and Amari Cooper. They're not getting any younger. Dave Nijoku has emerged himself as being a guy that can run these nice overs. Amari Cooper can run pretty much every route, but now he's getting game plan.


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[Assistant] Everybody's putting two on him. Although he's still finding a way to get it done, there's still two guys that are still looking at him at all times.


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[Assistant] Meaning that somebody is getting one-on-one coverage. We have to find somebody that consistently wins those one-on-one coverages. And Deshaun Watson throws one of the best deep balls in the NFL.


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[Assistant] get him somebody that he thought Mark, he's good, but he was unfortunately n So we didn't really get a lot. But I think that would b and that's a hard thing t a guy that can stretch th be a playmaker as a number


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[Assistant] Pooka Nakua was also available. Wait a minute. This ain't fair because we sat here on this show and said.


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[Assistant] There's some big names. Let's hear them.


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[Assistant] Uhm, defensively wise, do you see any changes being made defensively? Cause I, there's a lot of smoke on social media about Greg Newsome, and I don't know what that's about, but.


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[Assistant] Mary Kay, my last question, I gotta ask you about the offensive line because they put themself in such a situation. Obviously, Jack Conklin coming back from injury, Jaya Wills was hurt, then you got Dwayne Jones, Joe Botonio's 32. A lot of injuries this year.


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[Assistant] How do they move forward? How does this work out? Tell us something, because I know they're stuck with Jack Coughlin and the contract that they gave them last year. So what do they do?


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[Assistant] And where were you? Alright, let's go. Where were you? I hope you're right. Where were you the last two years? The last two years? Yeaah. Uhm. After the trade. After the trade. You were probably at 95.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was like, oh yeah, in this offense with, but that's the thing. When I thought of, when I got to, when I seen the trade, I thought in this offense, he gonna run Kevin Stefanski stuff, so.


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[Assistant] He makes plays when needed, when crunch time, when things need to get done, he finds a way to do it. And I seen it in, we seen it in Tennessee. But we also had a large sample size of him not making plays this year. True, true. And it was, the first half of the Baltimore game was terrible. But it's something about, I think that every, if you're going to be a great player.


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[Assistant] I need to see what you do in defining moments, when the game's on the line.


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[Assistant] And the last thought I have of him is 14 for 14 would have messed up shoulder.


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[Assistant] That tells me that that dude is a warrior. That dude really wants to win and he'll do whatever it takes to win. But where are you?


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[Assistant] I would say at 40% of best. Let me ask you a question. Where did you classify Joe Flacco's five games or whatever it was before the playoff debacle? Where did you classify him?


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[Assistant] For that five game sample size. Would you, would you rate him at the eight to fourteen?


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[Assistant] Let me tie it up to why I asked that question. Sometimes you need to see success. You need to see your offensive play caller work.


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[Assistant] Right. And I think that he saw that, and he thought to himself, I'm way better than Joe Flacco, and if he could do that, I could be way better in his office. So that's why to me,


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[Assistant] Yes, cause some people, some people you can just tell it to, it's like having a kid. You tell your kid, don't touch that stove cause it's hot.


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[Assistant] And it makes things happen. And it would be even better if 24 is back there again.


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[Assistant] Austin Eckler will be released, or he won't be retained. Jim Harbaugh's gonna take the job, he's gonna draft Blake Corman, that'll be the replacement.


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[Assistant] They were, but they're a couple of wins better in my view. I just feel like, I don't, I'm never really a fan of teams just bringing everybody. We just gonna run the exact same. Right, right, right. I agree.


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[Assistant] I didn't, he wasn't a bum, but he wasn't good. He barely played. The Tennessee game was really good. Baltimore's second half was really good. But that's what we're doing now.


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[Assistant] Okay, the first game of the season, Cincinnati was weather permitted. Both quarterbacks suffered. Pittsburgh, he was bad.


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[Assistant] It's not fair. It's fair criticism to say that he wasn't great this season. It's fair. But it's also not fair because


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[Assistant] His offensive line got hurt and they were making changes and they weren't playing great. I can remember off the top of my head the Pittsburgh game. I promise you that man took a snap and Jen wheels just slapped the dude on the butt and let him go. And he was under duress.


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[Assistant] Nope, one yard. Dick Chubb can get one yard on the goal line.


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[Assistant] What I did like about him in the room is that he brought that Super Bowl experience. He's a veteran. He knew Jim Schwartz's defense. He spent this year teaching that to the younger guys. D'Anthony Bell is a good player and Ronnie Hickman is a good player.


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[Assistant] I got a backup that you would take. Baker Mayfield.


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[Assistant] Well, but I think you should go first, Jay, because you're the most die-hard Browns fan here today. So I feel like you should go first. Okay, uhm. I know you weren't expecting that. That's fine, yeaah.


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[Assistant] I thought there was, you know, my thoughts on the game, that was ultimately the biggest disappointment, was how garbage the defense was.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, Joe Flacco ultimately put the nail in the coffin with that first pick, six. He did.


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[Assistant] That was as bad a defensive performance as I've ever seen in a half of football.


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[Assistant] Especially considering what we thought, and it wasn't just us. You talk about the bias, the media, fans, whatever. Across the country, even the people that picked, and the majority of the national media picked the Browns. There were certainly people that picked the Texans.


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[Assistant] I don't believe there's a single person that thought the Texans were gonna win like that.


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[Assistant] Never. No way. No way you thought they'd win that way. They won by 31 points. The defense was disgusting. Every single member of that defense, not named J.O.K., was hideous. Not a single other player on that defense played well. He was incredible. I mean, the only plays they made were him.


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[Assistant] He looks like an all-pro. By the way, there were four tackles for a loss by the Browns in this game. He had three. The only one that wasn't him was the one where he, where the guy got away from him in the backfield. Robinson got the, they were all four because of him.


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[Assistant] Heartbreaker. Last second field goal of the Tech. Obviously, I'll be disappointed. Where they fought hard. Right, but you wouldn't feel like this. I mean, this was beyond embarrassing. It was disgusting.


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[Assistant] I-I-I blame more than anybody else.


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[Assistant] And I'm sure there's a lot of people up in arms, and I don't give a rat's ass. Miles Garrett, I blame more than anybody else on this team. He talks all the time.


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[Assistant] He wants to be a defensive MVP, wants to be MVP, this and that. Meanwhile, he no-showed in this huge game, and after the game he's like, well, we should have adjusted. I don't want to hear about that, Miles.


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[Assistant] Everybody has plenty of blame to give Schwartz fine. I don't want to hear that from Miles Carrot, guys. When that game is over, if you're the Defensive Player of the Year, it's on me.


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[Assistant] You got, I don't want to hear about double teams. I don't want to hear about nothing. You, when you're the best player, if you're the best defensive player in the league, you have to make an impact in the games that matter. And he made no impact. He did nothing in this game. Did he have any pressures, Mike?


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[Assistant] He had three QB hurries. That's not a pressure. No. No pressures. None. He had the one play where they threw the ball, you know.


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[Assistant] It was nothing. He did nothing. He did not lead. He did not play great down the stretch. I don't give a rat's ass if he wins Defensive Player of the Year or not. I hope he does it now. He sucked in this game. He was ap- and so was Michael Parsons by the way. He sucked for Dallas too. Yes he did. I don't care.


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[Assistant] By the way, only Joe Burrow and Patrick Mullins have more postseason wins, quarterbacks under 30, than Jared Goff. He's tied with Josh Allen for third most under 30.


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[Assistant] And got boat-raised out coach. I hear ya. I think in the end he had a much better quarterback that played a role. I still think Kevin Savansky is a very good coach.


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[Assistant] And, and so same thing here. I'm not nearly at that point with Stavansky. And I get it, you know, we, we were lauding him for him, his staying calm all year and not being too emotional. I thought, I thought Dan Campbell, I love, you know, I like Dan Campbell, he's grown on me.


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[Assistant] I thought he cost him the game against Dallas because he was too emotional in that game and that could happen too. So kudos to Dan Campbell. I don't want to, for me this is, I'm not interested in, listen, Stefanski deserves blame just, he's the head coach. He deserves some blame too, no doubt about it.


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[Assistant] I think there's some, you know, two of the games he, like, I think we have to do a deep dive into it to see if we can find something.


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[Assistant] Okay, I know two of the games where Denzel Ward didn't play and their secondary just got torched.


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[Assistant] Good, well I'm glad that was his answer. Guys, I think the real question for the offseason is, which is the real defense? Yeah. I mean, it's probably somewhere in between.


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[Assistant] What I thought was ridiculous was Juan Thornhill yesterday saying, uhm,


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[Assistant] I think it's closer to the home. But I don't think it's the home. I don't think it's that good, but I think it's closer to that. I'd say if you stuck a needle in between, I'd say it's on the good side of the needle.


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[Assistant] I, I thought the first pick six, the first pick six made the score what? 30? 17. They're down 17.


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[Assistant] Right, but here, here's the deal. With that first interception, okay, as awful as the defense was in the first half, they stopped them three and out on that first drive in the second half.


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[Assistant] He's gotta make that play and that bad throw. Joe Flacco gets no pass. Listen, this play throwing an absurd amount of picks in the last five weeks, we gave him a pass for all of it because they won. So he gets no pass, they lost.


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[Assistant] But ultimately, the picks wouldn't have killed him if the defense were terrible, but the defense had fought, and who knows?


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[Assistant] The defense had a three and out to start the second half. If Joe Flacco would have marched him down, not throwing that pick, and they would have gotten at least three points, maybe the defense is, we've seen this defense play a bad quarter.


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[Assistant] He has turned to season. I don't think the difference between Garen Christian and, uh, Jen Wills was why they lost.


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[Assistant] Well the offensive line is a big issue going forward. They, they are spending, I probably, I don't know this for sure, but my guess is they're spending more on the offensive line than any team in the league.


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[Assistant] Without a doubt, it's gotta be top 5. And yet, they're old, they're injury prone, and they're, you know, good, but not great. And not good at all at tackle.


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[Assistant] Singleton played very well. I said he played well down the stretch. I thought the Browns would stop him, but they didn't. Singleton played great down the stretch. Collins was fantastic. The Texans deserve a lot of credit. Yes. They kicked the Browns ass across the board. Tons of credit to them. I'm not changing, like, yes, it's


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[Assistant] In general, experience matters. In general, experience is a benefit. In this case, it didn't matter. There's exceptions to every rule.


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[Assistant] There's no reason they couldn't win again. I mean, Baltimore's a better team if they play Baltimore. So I think the other teams are better. They're likely going on.


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[Assistant] No, they're definitely going on the road, because Kansas City already won. They're either going to Ca- either- they're either going to Buffalo, Kansas City, or-


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[Assistant] Yeah, but people were giving up on Jordan Love and the guys maybe have been the best quarterback in football since December. Yeah, I was going to say Jordan Love had a really nice season.


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[Assistant] Oh, he's a head coach by February. Again, that's crazy that you're a head coach because you're a good play caller doesn't make any sense.


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[Assistant] By the way, I hope he does because there's no way those two can coexist. Who?


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[Assistant] Belichick and Jerry Jones? Oh, oh, okay. I didn't think there's, I didn't even, yeah, there's no way they could coexist. It's gonna be a disaster, so I hope it happens.


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[Assistant] The league doesn't care about health, it only cares about concussions because they got sued. That's it. Right, I mean that's it. Yea, they pretend to care. They don't care about the guys really getting up.


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[Assistant] I think, listen, I, I, I'm still, uh, maybe not, uh, I'm, I'm, okay, spit it out, take two.


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[Assistant] We're all still very emotional about the Browns, so I'm not sure yet if we overrated them. I need to think about that a couple more days.


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[Assistant] I do know we underrated the Texans. I don't speak for anybody else. I know I underrated the Texans. I agree with that. There's no doubt.


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[Assistant] They have, now, if they lose to whoever in the next round, I may feel differently, but they have a little feel like the Bengals did when they went to the Super Bowl with Borough in his second year. For Stroud, it was his rookie year. For Borough, it was his first year. Second year.


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[Assistant] That really, really, really disappoints me. Well, by the way, nobody's beg- the Astros didn't beg for forgiveness. The Michigan hasn't begged for forgiveness. They're defiant. Jim Harbaugh had the audacity to tell the


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[Assistant] It was terrible. And, you know, we made a point of saying, hey, Jim left some stuff in the bag for the playoffs. He didn't leave anything for the bag in the playoff.


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[Assistant] I think he's gonna get fired. You think he is? I don't think he is. I don't think he is.


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[Assistant] Post game comments, I think he's out. Dude, they, I mean, they dominated at home. They, they, as good as the Browns were at home, Dallas was even better because they were great both offensively and defensively at home and they got killed.


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[Assistant] At the great Adam Rank, who everybody in Cleveland was killing after the season picked Houston.


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[Assistant] I don't buy that. So then the Texans are just that much better than us? No, the better, listen, the Texans were a lot better on this day, right? The better team doesn't always win or whatever.


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[Assistant] It's really just a defense for the most part because the offense played well enough in the first half. Yeaah, I mean, the


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[Assistant] for the first seven minutes of the third quarter. I know that, but their first drive was a pick six and now they're down 17. At that point, the team fell apart. Yeah, but even when the Cowboys were down 17.


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[Assistant] I don't know. I think, I'm trying to take my mind back to where I was. It's hard to compare because as you said, and you're right, you didn't feel as crappy about the team the way the season ended in that year versus this year. I was proud.


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[Assistant] Not high on Baker for the most part. The more I think about it, you're right, I mean,


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[Assistant] At the end of the 2020 season, I felt a lot better about Baker than I do about Deshaun Watson right now.


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[Assistant] That's Joe Flacco like. If we see the guy that played that second half in Baltimore, Browns will be in good shape next year. If we see the inconsistency that we've seen most of his time here, they'll still be decent.


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[Assistant] How many games does Watson play? Not, don't include, like, you know, how many full games does he play? All six last year and five this year. Fully healthy. Yeah, five. So he's played 11 games, 2200 yards. That's 200 yards a game.


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[Assistant] Now, I would still have moved on for Baker personally. Fine! But I would not make that trade.


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[Assistant] I thought it made sense at the time, I'm not going to be a phony about it, I thought it made sense because I thought you had to have an elite quarterback. I thought, at the time I thought there was no reason to believe he wouldn't be.


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[Assistant] At the very least, even if they don't get, let's say he has a bad year or another inconsistent year, another injured year, at the very least, you have to be looking at a quarterback in the draft and be planning to move on, even if you don't actually move on after three years.


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[Assistant] The Browns gave us a lot of fun this year. It's hard to see that now, less than 48 hours after the season. I had a ton of fun watching this team. Now, not gonna lie, I had a ton of fun watching this team in 2020. But this was more fun because fans were at the games. Everything was sour in 2020, even though the Browns had a great season and they were fun to watch.


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[Assistant] It was COVID, everybody was miserable, everybody was fighting, I mean, we're still kind of fighting, but, but it was just, in a way, there was that, that yuckiness of it, and not, and the fans not being at the games took something away from it, we all know that. This season was a lot of fun. I'm trying not to forget that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I'm hoping fans don't forget that either when we, after we get over the emotion at some point. It's hard to because the loss was so pathetic. Their performance was pitiful. The season was fun. I agree with Jason, there are things to build off of a next year.


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[Assistant] But there are also things to be concerned about. I think the defense is in much better shape.


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[Assistant] That season, uh, we don't know what we got. Joe Flacco's not going to be the quarterback next year. He played well, but not nearly as well as Baker played in 2020. And Deshaun Watson's been pretty bad so far as a Brown. He's had a couple of good moments, but he's not been nearly the quarterback we thought he was. If Deshaun Watson can get back there,


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[Assistant] Who knows? I think the Browns will be competitive at the very least next year. I feel definitely better about Stefanski now than I did in 2020 because he's proven it longer. I'm more confident in him going forward. I think he shouldn't get an extension. I think Barry should get an extension. But they're both, like everybody else, they got their flaws and things they need to improve on. Hopefully they will.


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[Assistant] Uh, but there's a lot of questions this offseason, including Nick Chubb. What are we going to do about him? That's a big thing we'll talk about over the next few weeks.


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[Assistant] The bi- the worst part about Jimmy Haslam, besides like, the criminal behavior that he's been accused of multiple times, the FBI, this whole thing that's going on with, uh, what's his name, that other billionaire. Warren Buffett suit. All this ugliness and that stuff.


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[Assistant] And fans are not privy to, like, I feel like we kinda sound, I sound like a douche when I say this and I don't mean to.


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[Assistant] But we know stuff because we know people that we can't share. We share almost everything we have. We can't share everything, unfortunately.


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[Assistant] The level of meddling from the Haslums with the football people is, now maybe it's gotten better, cause,


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[Assistant] I will tell you that I'll tell you this. I'll tell you one thing I don't think I've shared in the air, maybe not. And I can't remember now which game it was. I think it was, I think it was the Ravens game. Ah, I heard this too. I know exactly where you're going.


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[Assistant] Maybe I'm wrong that it was the Ravens game, but maybe if you know what I'm talking about then, that after the game, Jimmy was not happy.


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[Assistant] Because we didn't throw it enough. They didn't throw the ball. That is a fact.


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[Assistant] That they ran the ball too much. Was it, was it definitely the Ravens game? That was the game. You know, so you heard it too. Yep. So, and I'm like, Oh my God. I'll tell you. He was complaining after the card was game card. It was the card.


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[Assistant] You know who I'm talking about. Yeah, I don't blame him as much as you do. You're more down on him than I do. I'm not sure on him. But I know that Jimmy Haslam is a meddler. I know that he pits people against each other in the organization. And the fact that you would say after a...


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[Assistant] I actually think it's worse for Stefanski because Stefanski lost directly to his competition.


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[Assistant] It's just, it's misleading. It's misleading to make it seem like, wow, he's won all these games. A lot of those games were won in spite of him. Let's not, let's not, let's keep it real. I didn't, you know,


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[Assistant] Thought, like I did, that Deshaun Watson was a great trade, and he was gonna be a superstar. And he's gonna do whatever he can now. And now he's gonna con himself into believing it's not as bad. Listen, he hasn't been PJ Walker. Nobody thinks that Deshaun Watson, when he's played, has not been the worst quarterback. This year, he was okay. He was okay. But we expected it to be great!


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[Assistant] We expected him to be a top five quarterback. He's played nowhere close to that level. That's it. There's no argument against that.


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[Assistant] Talk your, talk your game man, the Texans humiliated the Browns.


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[Assistant] What I am stunned about is how they won the game. That the Browns defense was absolutely pathetic in this game. I never saw that coming. Are you, are you surprised by that?


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[Assistant] Then the Ravens will, or this afternoon, then the Ravens will, uh, then the Texans will play the Ravens. If the Steelers somehow pull the upset, then the, then the Texans will play Kansas City. Do you think one of those two teams is a better matchup for the Texans, or are they both equally tough?


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[Assistant] By the way, I look, it's, the Ravens are gonna, uh, the Texans are gonna play on Saturday either way.


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[Assistant] Because the Bill Steelers winner has to play Sunday because they're playing Monday. So we know that the Texans are going to play Saturday. I just looked up, it's obviously it's five days away, it could change. I looked at the forecast for Saturday. Pretty decent difference between Baltimore and, because Baltimore is supposed to be like 30 degrees.


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[Assistant] Now that they beat the Browns, I mean, I hate the Ravens, and I hate the, I mean I hate the Chiefs, but I'm okay with the Bills, but I'm gonna root for the Texans. I like CJ Stroud, I'm gonna root for them, so good luck Johnny.


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[Assistant] Appreciate it, fellas. Y'all have a good one, man. Yep. He's a good guy. He's nice and warm behind him. He's got a


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[Assistant] Yeaah, that was kind of crazy, man. Why not? Upgrade our talent.


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[Assistant] I'm going with Kansas City now. Kansas City look good. They look really good. I was really impressed with their poise. Yeaah. Like they just. Their defense. It just didn't seem like a play, like a huge spot to them. They just was like, okay, let's go play.


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[Assistant] I hate to say it, I'd have had to go with Baltimore. Yeaah, they look good too. They just, the way they just dismantled uh, the Texans, they wasn't even close.


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[Assistant] It was like, it was a pic. And so they went crazy, and so the Baker Bros went nuts, man. Some dude got on me, he was like, you know what? You're racist.


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[Assistant] Really quickly, really quickly. Yeah, that's my camera. Shout out to the Glen Oak Golden Eagles. I believe their cheerleading team is watching today. Oh, look at that. They are the... They just screamed at the top of their lungs.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they're going crazy right now. Shout out to NCA, they're the NCA, uh, national champions. They flew, they did it in Dallas, uh, I think it was Dallas, Texas. Uh, my cousin, uh, Michaela is part of that, uh, part of that union. She didn't go to your school? Uh, no, she's, uh, she's a trader.


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[Assistant] Officially, Kayla, and my fragrance, and my sweatshirts, and my ass. Officially, Kayla J, she says, I talk about teen things and encouraging teens going through issues and different things on our YouTube channel. So, shout out to Glen Oak, we appreciate you, and good luck in all your travels.


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[Assistant] Really quickly about FanDuel. This is a great story. Shout out to FanDuel. Uh, I sat down with my wife. We had a little cozy hangout with the winter weather. I said, listen, Beg, we're going to get you your own parlay. You're going to go in here and pick and we're going to see how close you can get. Get her more interested in the game. Yes. So she goes and she says, of course I want to watch Patrick Mahomes.


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[Assistant] And Josh Allen, I think it's going to be a great matchup. She goes through, picks 12 legs in her parlay. 12!


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[Assistant] She said, I like the odds of these. I am encountered. I want the big splash. I said, okay, let's go. And she picks, goes down through the 12 legs and lo and behold, no, lo and behold, she said, uh, I said, do you want Travis Kelsey over 61 and a half yards or under?


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[Assistant] She said, I will pick, I will pick under. Just because I have him having a touchdown does not mean that he will get over 61 yards on the road. I said, oh, that's great. I said, you sure you don't want to do that? She said, yes.


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[Assistant] And I notified her during the game. Don't tell me that's the only leg that missed. She was eliminated. She's, she, her parlay was $10.


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[Assistant] I'll bring him in on this in a second. We were in a barbershop and we were thinking about it and I don't know if you guys heard the interview with Cam New.


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[Assistant] Quincy Avery and Deshaun Watson. I did not. So this puts a lot of perspective for us and a lot of people haven't heard it. Uhm, I think the lead might have got buried because they put it out, you know, sometime late last week on like a Friday. But anyway, Cam Newton is talking to him about, uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, play calling and different things like that. And Cam and Deshaun, you know, go into this thing and he say, you know what Cam? You know, you know how it be. You know, the coach come out and they script the first 20 plays. And then they tell you where to throw the ball, throw it at him and throw it at that or whatever. And he's like, I hate scripted plays.


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[Assistant] He's like, I don't like scripted plays, and on top of that, he's like, because your scripted plays are based on the film study that your coach is seeing of what their tendencies are with other quarterbacks. He's like, they're not gonna play me the same way.


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[Assistant] I'm a running quarterback. I'm a dual threat guy. I like to get people involved and I'm a, I start, you know, you start a little slower.


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[Assistant] But I'm able to pick it up at the end of the game because of the simple fact that I'm seeing what their actual plays are, what they're actually doing. But, you know, I don't, I'm not, I'm not a big fan of, uh, uh, scripted 15 plays. Me and Earl played the sound and people was like, where did this come from? And we were like, look, this just jumped out here. And you know what the funny thing is? What is, what is Kevin Stefanski known for? His first drive. His first, that's his signature. Yeah. The script, the first 15.


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[Assistant] If you look at the numbers, traditionally, Stefanski's teams have been first drive teams, and then they take a little bit, third quarter, they're not so good. They have played better in the fourth quarter.


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[Assistant] That's why he's in for an interview, but I will say to this point, if we all are honest, the names that we are seeing are underwhelming.


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[Assistant] You know, so, you know, I'm looking at it from this point and I think it all boils down to this. Jay said it right.


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[Assistant] How much responsibility are they going to have? Are they going, is this guy really offensive coordinator? Is he really calling plays?


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[Assistant] And Anne, his voice is not even, you talk about voices on that in offensive side. Obviously, Stefanski calling plays has a huge voice. But Bill Callahan has a tremendous voice.


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[Assistant] We already know Stefanski is calling the plays. We already know, uh, what's his name, O'Shea, is the passing game coordinator.


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[Assistant] So if you don't call the plays, you don't call it, you're not in charge of the run, you're not in charge of the pass. What are you doing?


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[Assistant] And to prove that, Cam Newton asked him about, he said, listen, I gotta get to a dog. How you feel about CJ Straub ballin' in Houston?


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[Assistant] And he came and said, or Deshaun said something along the fact that, oh man, that's my guy. Man, we talk off the phone, we do all this stuff. I think we got the same agent or something like that. So he like, I was like, okay, so you trying to put stuff to sleep. Like you trying to, and then when that came out, I said, oh,


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[Assistant] What he's talking about there is, is when you script the first plays, right? Yea. When you script the first 15, you're basing those first 15 plays off of what the defense does good or bad. Yes you are. Or what they've shown on film. So if, if. Well we don't know that.


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[Assistant] That is a rigid way of thinking. So say for instance, you come out, and what if they break Tennessee?


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[Assistant] What if they don't, you thought you was gonna see something today, but they're not running any of that. You should, as a coach, you should notice that and adjust. So if you stay sticking to them 15 plays and none of them are


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[Assistant] Or sticks to the 15 plays at all. There's nothing that backs that up. Here's the thing. Here's the point. When you go back and listen to that audio. Yeaah. He says, and the coach tells you, ball should go here. Ball should go here. He did. Ball should go here.


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[Assistant] Now when you talk about that, most big-time quarterbacks say, I want to read the field. The progression, the defense will tell me in the progression where the ball is supposed to go. Not the first play of the game, we gonna throw it to Alex Hooper sitting down on a little stick route. No, that's not- I think there's value to both.


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[Assistant] I'd have to take, I'd have to take his word on it in terms of...


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[Assistant] He can only address what he knows in the room. We don't have concrete. I just think once again, what we've highlighted is the fact that the ownership,


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[Assistant] And Stefanski and Watson are not all in lockstep in terms of what this offense will be in philosophy. That's just it.


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[Assistant] But it's the closest thing that don't matter on a coaching staff.


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[Assistant] The running backs coach? It's between that and a tight ends coach. Like, I mean, really, are you coaching Travis Kelce?


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[Assistant] Like, some people use tight ends as just regular blockers. Like, to me, no.


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[Assistant] Trouble is based on whether trouble is going to be healthy or not. And so much of their success is based on instinct and ability. Instinct, you can't coach running backs. Like you can't coach a cut here or patience or vision or any of that. You can't. It's just like, you can suggest.


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[Assistant] I was thinking that usually running backs coaches will have an oper- they work the rotation, right? So we gonna rotate these backs. Now one thing I can say about Stump Mitchell is,


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[Assistant] You lose. Leak the information to me. It won't matter because I won't check the voicemails.


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[Assistant] Tell them boys, you need, you need you another running back too. If you gonna, if you gonna lobby for another back, I'll, I'll, I'll endorse you. I need another running back. Give me another one. I need to be extra loaded at running back.


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[Assistant] He likes, he likes his golf, he likes his lifestyle. Yeaah. He, you know what I'm saying, he's close enough, he lives in Florida, you know, he's trying to come back up here with this weather. Hell, I'll just reach out to him. By the way, De'Quel would


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[Assistant] I can't believe he got done like this. Yeah, I know. Hey man, hey listen, you need to go into the Browns facility and fall on the floor after they mop.


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[Assistant] Why can't you just say, why can't you just say we're in the evaluation process, ongoing evaluation, and we've been talking to Kevin about, you know, the possibility, ability of an extension. Because what, like, if you tell us that, what's,


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[Assistant] We like our receiver room. And our headcoats.


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[Assistant] He ain't stupid. Hey, he's not stupid. I like your political acumen, Andrew Barry. You can keep it vague with all these other people, but when you have a cult following like Nick Chubb, you better not signal anything. The company message is, we want Nick on this team. We'll figure it out with the numbers.


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[Assistant] Never. No. No. That's career suicide. I'm letting you know.


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[Assistant] And I, and I don't, I don't eat birthday cake with these people. I gotta be able to talk about you. I don't really admire nobody. I'm not buying you a jersey. But when Nick Chubb got hurt,


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[Assistant] I was emotional. I was like to my- I was too. I'm like, I'm a grown man. I don't know this man from nobody.


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[Assistant] It's like the one outfit that you got that's not dingy if you pour and you dirty and you just, my wife talks about it all the time. She'd say, you know,


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[Assistant] We didn't have very many clothes growing up, but I had this one-piece jumper that I thought was the best jumper in the world, and I got to college and wore it, and people laughed, laughed me off, laughed me off the street, right?


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[Assistant] They better, like, look, you know, we'll throw it out there, you know, they better do whatever they can because, oh, this year is the, this year, I said six games last year, if it don't work, if Deshaun Watson does not play all of the games.


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[Assistant] They're going to start talking about trade to Sean Watson, which that should be a thing. That will never happen.


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[Assistant] There will be rumblings of figuring out. Moving on. Moving on.


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[Assistant] But the GM is not, the GM, they're gonna get rid of the GM and the coach if it don't work out this year. That's just the way it's going. I agree. Because, and I thought they may have bought themselves some times, but evidently Jimmy Haslem did not think so.


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[Assistant] he did last year. So here's the thing. Do you believe


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[Assistant] If he's, do you believe he gets an extension? If he goes to Jimmy Haslem and said,


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[Assistant] I'm okay with not being a play caller. Oh yeaah, absolutely.


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[Assistant] But listen, we talked about him not giving us nothing. He's giving us a lot.


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[Assistant] I, I, he's giving us what's going on with Chubb, he's giving us what's going on with Stefanski, and I believe that this was the automated, just me, like hey.


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[Assistant] We love you as a coach. What you've shown that you can do for our team is hold our team together. The guys play hard for you. You dealt with adversity. You put everything together with rubber bands, tapes, and glue.


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[Assistant] And you made it to the playoffs. That's the testament of your leadership. So that's your strong suit. Yes. We want leadership to be the forefront. We want you to be the CEO.


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[Assistant] Let's get, you can still mold and shape the coordinator, but let's get somebody that's going to bring us a little forward into the...


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[Assistant] Jason, what do you make of Deshaun Watson and his comments uhm, that was on with Cam Newton in the podcast. He talked about the fift- the scripted plays and-


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[Assistant] He wasn't a really big fan of it. Uhm, do you think that there's a difference in philosophy on some things with Stefanski? Uh, and Deshaun Watson in terms of how this office is gonna look or different, you know, just basically the way the office is run.


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[Assistant] Now we'll see where it goes. Are you a little surprised that Haslem didn't speak like, you know?


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[Assistant] Get your little mojo going. Make sure that you, you turn it into a man, get you some attention. Suit Saturdays.


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[Assistant] Here's what you do. You put your suit on, maybe a blazer. You go someplace.


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[Assistant] They'll be like, oh, who is this guy? It just shows that you, you, you, you, you plugged in even on the weekends.


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[Assistant] What it, what it made me do is I woke up a little bit. So first of all, I think one of the biggest, one of the biggest factors in the playoffs is home field advantage.


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[Assistant] You watch those teams that get an opportunity to play in front of their crowds or at home field advantage. They're a different team. You just, you just get, it adds so much more.


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[Assistant] And so that means during the regular season, the teams that keep the pedal to the metal, uh, you know, the teams that consistently put those games up, they want home field advantage. And you can see that it's a big, it's a really big advantage to get home field advantage. Second of all, too, I look at the Ravens and I look at the Texans. What I've started to look at is I'm looking at the roster and


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[Assistant] The Browns, to a certain extent, are going to have to overdo it at certain places.


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[Assistant] Because when you start getting down to these teams right here, you start to see the playmakers, and you start to see the guys that, you know, you know, everything is considered equal, all things being, you know, being equal.


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[Assistant] But then you start to see the playmakers making plays. The guys that, that are special.


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[Assistant] And I think sometimes we get enamored with the fact that we believe that you're quarterback.


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[Assistant] We lean on it. Hey, your quarterback has to make people better. The quarterback, yes, that is true. But when you playing with another franchise quarterback or you playing against the guys like the Ravens or you playing against Patrick Mahomes, you gotta have multiple people to give to your quarterback that you can consistently compete.


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[Assistant] Well, I will say that Nick Chubb was hurt. Now, Mario Cooper, I like Mario Cooper, right?


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[Assistant] But what I'm, what I say is in terms of skill set. Marty Cooper is not a guy that's going to take the top off something.


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[Assistant] When you, when you see Zay Flowers, when you see the speed at, that, that, uh, you, you know, even Lamar Jackson is running that. When you still see, I, where's- That's Lamar, I can't, what am I gonna do? Where did the, where did the likely, where did the likely come from, right? So you got Mark Andrews, and you had likely on that roster.


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[Assistant] But they did invest their first round draft pick in a receiver, and he became their number one receiver this year.


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[Assistant] So there's the GM, what you gotta say is, we expected him to be able to elevate.


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[Assistant] In AFC, if you want to go to the Super Bowl, this is the way it is.


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[Assistant] You gotta beat three of these cr- four. You're gonna have to beat Burrow, you're gonna have to beat Lamar Jackson, you're gonna have to beat Josh Allen, or you're gonna have to beat Patrick Mahomes.


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[Assistant] Throw in Herbert. Throw in Herbert. So you got, so that's the gauntlet you gotta run. And if you believe.


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[Assistant] And if CJ Straugh just came about, if you, if you believe that Deshaun Watson is not better than those guys,


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[Assistant] Which I would argue he's not better than those four guys. Then how can you win with him by guessing and hoping he elevates? No, you gotta have talent that is top notch and then he can elevate them to that level. And then now you can compete.


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[Assistant] It's pretty hard to get there. Josh Allen played lights out. I thought Josh Allen, the way he runs people over and like, you don't need a runner back, Burrow's gonna come back. We don't know what it is with that. And Lamar Jackson just had his best, best year, you know, his best year that he's had in some years.


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[Assistant] I mean none of them are going to age out in the next three years. So it's, it's, it's, it's like Magic Bird and playing against Magic Bird, Isaiah Thomas in the Pistons, and Michael Jordan. If you're the Cavs...


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[Assistant] Hey, I know Mark Price is pretty good. He ain't better than Isaiah Thomas. Hey, I know Larry Nance and those guys. He and Scottie Pippen. And you consistently gotta go through all them teams just to get to the championship. And it's like, yes, that was a good squad.


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[Assistant] Stefan Diggs. Man. I know. What's he doing? Stefan Diggs, you can't have 18, 20 yards. You drop the ball right into your hands, two hands. This is a problem when you got smallest receivers that ain't really that fast. Cause now, well I knew he was a wrap for him.


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[Assistant] When they start putting him in an Elijah Moore role in the backfield giving him tosses and I said...


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[Assistant] If y'all wanna win it as AFC, you gotta overdo it. You got Stefan Diggs, your number one goal should be finding another receiver that's a, as a headliner. Forget all the rest of that stuff. Because if you get two guys...


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[Assistant] Go to the sticks. Move the chains. Yea, you know, Jay, you did say that Pacheco, he's...


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[Assistant] We saw Kelsey. It might not have been vintage two years ago, Kelsey, but that Kelsey was good enough to get it done.


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[Assistant] I don't want to switch the game, but one thing that hit me from the weekend games was, man, these Lions got a lot of talent. Oh my god.


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[Assistant] They could have flamed out after that. That's true. That could have fired a lot of teams. But they got great offensive line, two good running backs, uh, two good receivers, a great


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[Assistant] I wanna ask you, I wanna ask you guys, have you changed your mind about Brock Purdy?


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[Assistant] And I was already cemented. And is Jordan, is Jordan Love now one of those dudes you have to watch out for? I like Jordan Love.


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[Assistant] They don't, this is so crazy. If it was a restaurant, they don't pay for promotion. They don't pay for ingredients, better ingredients to elevate the taste of the food. They don't pay any chefs. They're using government cheese. Yea, they're using the sliced cheese that don't melt. You gotta put it under the griller.


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[Assistant] We don't have that guy anymore. The chef is gone. And you almost killed him because this guy is like, hey, listen, dude, this is my last year. Give me something.


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[Assistant] We weren't. I like some pause there. We didn't kill him. Listen, we said, we were just trying to figure out who made the decision and get us some better names than the guys that we were


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[Assistant] Tight ends coach, she's 31 years old, called plays at Alabama as their offensive coordinator. Last year, called plays in 2022 at Notre Dame under Marcus Freeman. Brian Kelly, when he left Notre Dame and went to LSU, wanted Tommy Reese to follow him to Baton Rouge, but Marcus Freeman gave him a giant raise to stay in South Bend.


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[Assistant] This guy's a rising star in the coaching ranks, just 31 years old, and now he's a position coach for the Cleveland Browns. What are the overall thoughts from the panel on Cleveland plucking Tommy Reese to be their new tight ends coach?


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[Assistant] There's not a ton of comparisons I could find of a guy going from the college ranks right into a position coach who was tabbed as like the next guy up. Tommy Ruska stayed in college football and had a premier power five job either at Alabama or elsewhere.


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[Assistant] Kippen did it, the most recent one was Joe Brady, who was Joe Bray's passing game coordinator with Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson. He went right from LSU and he was just their passing game coordinator with the Tigers.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but that was passive. And the most recent one of notoriety was Joe Brady, who went to Carolina, became their offensive coordinator for two years.


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[Assistant] Then he went to Buffalo as a quarterbacks coach and then got promoted to their OC job after Ken Dorsey got fired. So there is a track record of these guys having success moving from the collegiate ranks without any previous NFL experience to having success running an NFL offense or at least contributing to the overall game.


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[Assistant] Tommy Reese is a quarterback as a now tight end coach, but how much of an impact does he have and how much, and kind of in general, do position coaches have in terms of the grand picture of putting together an offensive or defensive philosophy?


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[Assistant] If that is the case, how big of a loss would it be for the Browns if Bill Callahan, their elite offensive line coach, is no longer part of this offense staff?


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[Assistant] Stump Mitchell, the recently let go of running backs coach for the Cleveland Browns has been doing a little bit of a media tour and he sat down with a different TV station in the city of Cleveland yesterday was asked


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[Assistant] Woody kinda had the most regrets about during his tenure in Cleveland. And gee, I'll let you kinda set this up. I watched it. I don't think Jay and Bull have seen this yet. I did not see it.


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[Assistant] But uh, he said his biggest regret was he couldn't get the most out of Kareem Hunt during his time here.


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[Assistant] Except Tristan Thompson will not be in lineup for the next 25 games. He's been suspended for PED use. Woah!