[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeaah, Bill's column plays, and yes, again, he doesn't have the relationship with Amani Asenford that he does with Nick Casario, so yeaah, that could put more work on his plate too, so.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, I think that's all an interesting dynamic. I just wanted to kind of talk about that, throw it out there. Again, not factual, nothing out there, but it's just interesting nonetheless because it is the Patriots and the Texans and I always thought there was such a healthy respect between the two organizations. Other thing I'd like to talk about, Daniel Jones.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Right, and, and this is, uh, this is why I wanted to hint on this a little bit, because, you know, again, I understand where I valued Daniel Jones, and I'm not backing down from my evaluation. I would still like people to know that I'm rooting for Daniel Jones. I'm not like here going, oh, I hope he proves me right, and just stuff. You said that the day after the draft. I am not.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] along those lines. But you hear the reports and of course, hey, just like I said with, you know, as I start to hear reports and things go by and it's the off season, you start to talk to people. Yeah, I talked to a few people in the Giants who just gave these like glowing responses about Daniel Jones.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I had told some of my producers here at NBC this before even Pat Shermer who this week made some comments about the situation and I think that's where we'll go to first. We got these comments and I'd like everybody out there to listen to this first and then we'll talk a little more.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know, the internet's not gonna blow up. Right. So I, you know, and I get that. He's trying not to cause a stir and making a media circus and all of those things. But uhm,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, it's, I'm shocked to hear those statements at this point because I am one that I thought Eli would have to fail a few times. Right. At the start of the season for them to, you know, pull the plug there and go Daniel Jones.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Okay, I told you I heard, you know, things before this, uh, little press conference with Pat Shermer about Daniel Jones. And he was doing well. I was doing well. And I, the first few people I talked to, I was like, oh, this could be just Giants propaganda. I don't know about this. So I made some other calls to people who didn't have a vested interest in the situation as much.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, I mean, some of the things that I heard, like, best rookie we've ever had in here. It's been that impressive. And, you know, I'll go back to something I said I know during the draft process, too. Hey, this is gonna be interesting, too. You know, Pat Schermer has to answer that question a little like that. Because... Right.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He, you know, one, they drafted the guy at number six, so they want it to be positive. But two, you know, from the things you hear,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And the players are seeing this. And this is one of the things where I said this was going to be a problem for the Giants because


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] They're going to go on the field every day and they're going to go, okay, it's Eli Manning, Daniel Jones, stronger arm, Daniel Jones, better athlete, Daniel Jones, throwing on the run, Daniel Jones, who's making more plays in practice every day, you know, with their arm, Daniel Jones, to where


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You start to look like there's not competition on your team, and then you've already made up your mind in certain positions, and it doesn't matter what anybody can do. And that could add, make a dysfunctional locker room. I think that's where you gotta be careful too about how you speak, and that's why probably Shermer answered the way.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Eli gets the nod. I think so. I do. I'm with you too. I mean, I just can't, I gotta see it to believe it. And I would think that you're right. I mean,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I think what you're saying is for Daniel Jones, even though he's on track to be able to start week one, first of all, you're exactly right. That doesn't mean he's ready to just perform at a high level at week one. They're basically saying we could go into week one and he can understand the game plan and we could put a game plan around it where we feel like we would give our chance to win a game. It doesn't mean...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But I'm with you in the fact of what you're saying, like, I think it would have to be a blowout.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Daniel Jones has won, you know, 17 out of 20 practices, performance wise. Then, maybe you start to hear,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Daniel Jones might be able to be week one starter, but if it's like 12 to 10 or, I mean, you know, you know, 11 to 9 Daniel Jones in practices, Eli's getting the advantage. 12 to 8, it's still gonna be Eli. I mean, yeaah, it's gonna have to be a blowout where Daniel Jones really dominates the competition, I think, for the Giants to make that change for a week one.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, you're right. There's not going to be too many game realistic, uh, situations you're going through. And you know, especially even when you're in team drills at this time of the year, the quarterback, you know, there's no urgency. You're not afraid to pat the ball one more time because you're like, ah, they're not going to hit me. Let me throw this ball down the field. Now, the one thing I was told though,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It was not like a, oh, we're gonna call these plays for Eli so he looks good. And, you know, we'll call this set of plays for Daniel so he looks good. From everything I learned about the situation,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] They pushed the limits of both quarterbacks to see what they really have and to see what they're really realistically going to be able to ask of Eli. Physically, as far as game planning stuff. So that was the one thing I was told and that to me is a positive.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, because then yes, you can start to formulate your team and your scheme around it instead of just going, well, we don't know if we can really do this, but we got in the playbook. We hope we can pull it off. Uh, that's not smart, smart way to attack a season. Bill Belichick would never do that. So that gives me some hope that


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's not being predetermined that they're going to let these guys go out there and compete a little bit and we'll see where it shakes out. So that's really the big news of the week. I think we kind of hit on it all.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Now we can get to the countdown. Yes, the real news. The real news, right. And, uh, we are on number 18, but before we get to number 18, we got to address, we're going to address some questions about number 19, which was Jared Goff for me. Yeah. Okay. And I knew I was going to take some, some heat here. I mean, you know, I, I take a lot of heat about Jared Goff all the time. So I know we're going to get to those and, you know, again,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When you get to my top ten, or you look at the top ten quarterbacks in football,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know, I'm, I'm just gonna say this flat out, really, and maybe the top 12, there's just no way I can put Jared Goff in the top 10 or top 12. I think if I measured him up to those quarterbacks and we sit here and have the conversation versus him and the top 12 quarterbacks as I see in football, I don't think it's even a discussion.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] What it, what it is? Hey listen, there's things I like. Again, he's, he is, you know, tall and long, and he's got long levers. He can make throws with ease, so I like that part of him.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He's a solid athlete, but for 2019, he's an average athlete for the quarterback position, but can make all the throws. Now the thing that I put a lot of, you know, uh, uh, what do I want to say? A lot of, you know, uh,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Stock, okay, into evaluating quarterbacks and when you get nitpicky is when the offense and players are not making plays for you and the system and the machine's not working.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Can you jump start the machine? Like we talked about with the goalie for the St. Louis Blues last night. Are you going to be able to make a few plays to get your team over the hump to win a game or a game where


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Your offense is really struggling. Nobody's open. The defense is all over the scheme. Can you make a few plays with your physical ability or in a few throws or scrambles on the run to go, Oh, it's a different game. We're going to win. Even though we played a C plus game, we're going to win because our quarterback was a plus and he pulled us through those four or five situations through the year.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We would have been a 6 and 10 team, but now we're a 9 and 7 or 10 and 16 and going to the playoffs. And that to me is not where Jared Goff is at yet. He showed some glimpses of it last year, which is encouraging to me. But I don't think he's there quite yet.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I definitely am. Yes. And again, there's other quarterbacks benefiting from systems out there. I'm not saying this is the only guy in the football that's getting the benefit of the system. But yes, right now,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, he's the 19th best quarterback on the planet. I don't think that's that bad of a connotation to have next to your name, but regardless, yes, that's the way I look at it. With tremendous talent, system, they're a run-first football team.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know, uh, and McVeigh has continued to build Goff's confidence to continue, you know, he's continuing to make him a better player. And even some of the quotes, some of the quotes we heard this week from Sean McVeigh speaks to that. And I want to play that right here just so everybody can hear what McVeigh said on Jared Goff.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That's cool. No doubt about it. And he can win a Super Bowl with Jared Goff. I don't doubt that one bit. You know, that's again, we put the quarterback too much on the pedestal. We've all, for some reason in everybody's brain that follows football in America right now, if you don't have one of the five best quarterbacks, you can't win a Super Bowl. And that's just not right. That's not right. That's an incorrect theme. Uh, that is totally wrong. You know, again,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Jared Goff, there's, there's, there was moments last year, NFC Championship game.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The Chiefs game, the Vikings game, where there was a few plays where I said, holy shit, look at this guy, make him plays, like, there's nobody open, and he scrambles and throws a dime in the back of the end zone, and I go, okay, that's what I'm talking about, that's what I wanna see.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But then there's other games where I can go back and go total vice versa. Eagles, Bears, at Denver. You know, the whole end of the season really, except for the NFC Championship game. The last five, six, seven weeks of the year were very underwhelming. And why?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Because the run game didn't work. All of a sudden, the Bears cracked the code on the McVeigh system and took away some of the plays that, man, every time I've called this play, as a quarterback, I've thrown to this guy, he's always been open, McVeigh's always got him open. And now teams kind of figured out some of that stuff, and then it was, oh shit, and that's where he becomes number 19 for me. Throwing the football, and here we are in year four.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] My big thing with the golf is yes, he's just got to make more physical game changing type plays on his own to jump up the rankings. You know, you can't miss Brandon Cook's wide open in the back of the end zone in the Super Bowl and throw a quacker out there. Yeah, sorry, you're not getting my top 10 with that type of throw and I could show a number of throws like that with it. But again, this is still a good player they can win with and what did anybody expect Sean McVay to say there?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I mean golf, all these concerns, we got them too. You know, they weren't so concerned they would be getting the contract done right now. There's a little, there has got to be a little concern there. There's got to be. But McVeigh is too smart to ever let that, you know,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Shine through the crack. He's gonna keep his team on positive, positive road as long as possible.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] No doubt about it. Yes, this is the quarterback golden era of football. We have more studs at the quarterback position than ever before. Old, young, middle-aged, you go through it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Football's been the most popular sport in America for 30-something years now, and we're seeing the fruits of all that, where, yeaah, the best athletes in our country are going, I want to be a quarterback, and they start practicing and only playing quarterback from 7th grade on, and we got


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Freaks like Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson and all these other guys coming up the ranks. So yea, it's, uh, it's tough doing it. But, you know, people also with the Rams, they get on me because a few years ago,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I got on, you know when they were coming out with McVeigh was talking in the Jared Goff's ear. Okay. While they were at the line of scrimmage with the quarterback. That's right. And I kind of said I thought it was bull crap to do that. Listen, I wasn't just saying it was bull crap for McVeigh. I'm saying for anybody in football who was doing it. But Ram Sands really took it personal like I was calling them cheaters. No, I just think that's against the spirit of the rules of the NFL.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I would do it too if it was allowed. I'd be like, hey sure, sure John Gruden or Bill Belichick, tell me what you think as we break the huddle and I'd love to hear your two cents.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Exactly, but I don't like that. I mean, what's the point of coaching somebody all week and how do we, so now, you know, the mental aspect of the game and the mental juggling is part of the talent of the player.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Let's do it. Number 18. Staying in that state. We're going Derek Carr, number 18. Derek Carr, uh, again, a really fine football player. I mean, hey, back in 2016, this is a guy that was in the conversation for MVP. I'm not so sure he might not win MVP that year if he doesn't break his leg. It's going to be that close. How high would you have had him then?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Like the 2016 season, you go back and look and then, I don't know what it was, 6th, 4th quarter comeback wins, something like that. Yeaah, during that time period, he was top 10-ish for me.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] They are way down too, exactly right. And I think that's where I kinda went back with it, and I, listen, I try to take into account the whole team along with it and everything, but I think at the end of the day, it goes back to like kinda what you're saying. And I'm not always gonna just judge you on the wins and the stats, but the last two years,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] There's been less moments of Derek Carr taking over the game, like I just explained with Jared Goff.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know, a guy who in the 2015-2016 season, man, there'd be a handful of plays every game where I'd go, ooh, what a throw. Man, nice job moving the pocket and kind of threw that sidearm.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Whoa, like that was awesome. Whoa, great touch on that throw. All of that stuff. So I was, I was saying that much more. Now the last few years I know that the team and the offense has all been a little dysfunctional.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Derrick Carr's been dysfunctional along with it. He's missed, you know, some moments of where I wanna go, man, you're Derrick Carr, you gotta make that throw and complete that all day long. There's also been too many moments of, yes, just not enough big, game-changing type plays. I think Derrick Carr got a little, uh, and this is something I clamored about last year,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He tried to be a little too perfect maybe for the last two years to me, where he lost some of his aggressiveness and his playmaking ability. A little too many check downs, a little too many throws of, you know, ooh I'm just gonna try to place it over there and let the receiver catch it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know, and we'll move the sticks where I feel like two or three years ago, he would have came out and been like, oh, he's open. I'm going to rifle it in there. And now the guy caught it and he had room to run after the catch or whatever it may be. You know, yeah, I think he's played very conservative that way. And I think he has.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He lost some aggressiveness in his arm. And I showed today on PFT a few throws where I went like, this is the Derek Carr I want to see. But there was a lot of throws this year.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The year before that, where I just said, man, this should be a 40 yard gain, but he threw the change up when he should have thrown the fastball, and it got knocked down, and it was incomplete. Or the guy had a slide to get it, and it should have been a 50 yard gain, it was a 20 yard gain. Because he was being safe?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You're right. It is. Because you're going, yeah, this is big and we're not good and I've been sacked a lot. Damn, we haven't got our first down in two drives. Let me just get the first down and throw it out there so he catches it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Where yes, if you're confident, you're just going, man, we're rolling, we're good, I'm just gonna right bullet in there, bam, he caught it, and then he runs after the catch, and you forget those type of things that when you got the momentum and all that. So those are my issues with Derek Carr.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Good athlete, throws it on the run, he's not like an athlete where I look at him and go, oh he's gonna scramble a lot.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] No, he's a good athlete, like, he's got great movement in the pocket, he's got a real tight, good motion throwing the football, he throws pretty spirals, and he is always looking to throw. I mean, at all times. And that's what I respect about him. But, yeaah, I think even some game management situations last year.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know, I can go back to the Rams game in week one, the Dolphins game in week three, where, you know, the Dolphins game, I can remember, it's I think a first and goal from the eight or nine yard line. He throws a jump ball up to the left sidelines, get intercepted. You know, they ended up losing that game where I would just go, you don't need to take that chance there. It's first down.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Just throw it away and see what else happens. He did that in that Ram's game. There's a few other games to go along with it, but, uh, either way, that's where I have Derek Carr, 18. Derek Carr is one of those guys though, he could be a riser in a hurry. I mean, he has talent to be in that top 10 conversation.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I think he does. I think he does. Yea, I do. I think the improvements they made on the offensive line, you know, Josh Jacobs is running back. Okay, yea, they lost Jared Cook, but


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, you get Tyrell Williams from the Chargers. You get Antonio Brown. You know, they get Trent Brown at right tackle now to go with Colton Miller, their first round pick at a left tackle last year.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know, uh, I think there's, I would be shocked if that offense isn't better and his numbers aren't better and we don't see more explosive plays, uh, just because of the talent around him.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I, I do. I really do. I think, you know, being around Gruden for one year is going to help him and calm his nerves a little bit. He's like, okay, I know what psycho to expect on a daily basis. Of course, knowing the offense and hey, you know, again,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We, we, we talk about Eli Manning's lack of protection. You know, I just want to go like, man, if Eli had a play in Oakland last year, uh, or, you know, Oakland's past protection was absolutely pitiful last year, let alone, hey, he has been banged up the last two years too. And I, I, I try to take all of this into account. Like I said, it's not easy, but yeah, I would expect


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] This to be a huge year for him. And if it's not, you know, I do wonder what happens.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I do, you know, I do. I don't know if it's necessarily right to say that or if it's exactly the right time to pull the trigger on that, but I know the guy that's coaching him there and if they don't win and he doesn't play well, he can get very antsy with that position.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Oh, I know, but I know you're right, that's always scary. Now the offensive coordinator, Greg Olson, was there when they drafted him as the quarterback coach. And Olson's very close to Gruden, and I really feel like Gruden would have only taken that job.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If he felt like, ooh, I think this guy has a chance to be something. But, you know, this to me, I think speaks a lot to what it is. And I didn't even really think about this and didn't plan to say this.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know, the Raiders, hey, they moved the ball a lot last year. That was not a problem.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Well, I was gonna look at just some stats, but I can't even figure out where the hell I am. I wanted to look at just to see where their pass game stats were totally exactly. But, you know, I don't care about stats necessarily. You know, okay, 18th passing team in football.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The numbers are, I just want to see, okay, you're at the 15 yard line.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's 6.2. It's low. It's very low. It's in the middle of the league, basically. It's at 18, actually, right there. Yeah, but I think there's something to that. You're right, because you got...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Sometimes the stats look like that, yea, because you're down by 20 in the fourth quarter and you keep throwing shutdowns and things like that. Okay, your bottom line stats look good when it's all said and done, but you really made no plays within the competitive nature of the game to do that.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, but either way, that's 18. That's Derek Carr. Uh, and please send in your comments. We'll talk about it. We'll discuss. We'll figure it out. I'm not afraid. Here we go. Exactly. 18.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Even younger. Yeaah. Yeaah. Quite a bit younger. I know we haven't seen a full season of starting, but Baker Mayfield's my number 17 quarterback. I've seen enough from Baker Mayfield to say that he is better than Derrick, than Derrick Carr or Jared Goff going into the 2019 season. Yeaah. I do. I've seen enough.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I don't really look at Baker Mayfield and look at really many weaknesses in his game other than being inexperienced and a rookie and not having played a full season. But like, as far as, okay, physical ability, it's off the charts. His arm is big time. His ability to improvise and make those plays, big time. He has this crazy,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And still see downfield as good as anybody has ever seen. I mean, he's like making people miss, but also watching the deep crosser go across the field and then sets up and throws it. And I'm like, wow, how did he even get his eyes up in time to do that? So he's got a great ability there. Throws the ball on the run. Phenomenal.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Okay, yeaah, was he a little over aggressive sometimes last year?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He's going out there trying to win the game. I'm gonna put, I'm gonna put pressure on this defense. Every time I drop back to pass, I'm really never gonna look to settle for the underneath throw. And you know, there was a few times where yeah, that came back to bite him in the butt, but he'll learn to gauge that as he gets a little more experience to go.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Okay, ooh. Last year I might have thrown that, you know, 25-yard deep cross into that coverage. I learned that's tight this year. I'll check it. And it's just those few plays that he takes away, and then you're gonna see the stats are gonna go off the charts.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Are the ultimate guys where I can look at and go, they're top ten talents. They have the ability to be that guy.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But yeaah, I gotta see just a little bit more before I'm gonna throw them in the list. With some of the quarterbacks, when we talk about top 10, you're gonna go, yeah, it's kind of hard to put them in front of that guy. That guy did it last year, the year before, the year before, and we expect them to be still good. You know, it goes back to, there's a lot of good damn quarterbacks in football right now.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yes, what does a Baker May feel? 13 games last year? It's something right there? 13 or 14? Somewhere in there. Uhm, but yeaah, so, so, he could easily be a guy when we're sitting here doing this next year.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Could be number 5 on the list. He has that type of talent, but I'm not gonna just put him out there and make him a top 5, top 10 guy off of those games. I don't think he's at that level yet, but like a guy that's, it won't take long to get to that level.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] This year, there's the bullseye, like you're saying. We're all talking about the Browns. We expect big things. And that will affect the way you play. It's going to affect the teams that play the Browns. They're not going to just look at them and go, ah, it's the Browns. This will be a downer for us. So all of that's going to change. And yeah, that's what I need to see a little bit more of before I throw them up there in the elite class yet.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, it was him, Josh Allen, Sam Darnold, as I mentioned, they were some of the hardest guys because I looked at them and said,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Oh wait, there's guys in front of them that they're more talented than. There's no, there's no doubt. I don't, I'm not saying that. They have more talent, but they're not as nuanced at playing the quarterback position yet. And that's why I can't throw them in front of some of the guys we're gonna see here in a few minutes.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Oh, that's, I forgot about that. Yeaah. So, I mean. I've heard about this, let's take a peek. So like yeaah, I mean everybody's talking about Baker Mayfield's rookie season, and of course, cause I don't talk enough or have enough research to do, they wanted me to come up with a top 5 rookie quarterback seasons in the history of football.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] 2012 was a problem because it's, it's RG3 and you know who else is, Russell Wilson's 2012 was phenomenal.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The reason I don't think I made him a little higher is because they were a good football team already. You know, they were a team that had been in the Super Bowl two years before that, I believe, right? Were in the playoffs the year before that, right? So, and he had a phenomenal year and he played nine games. So Marino was amazing, but you know, Cam Newton,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But I don't remember anything coming into the league like Cam Newton right off the bat. Okay, where I just went, whoa, this guy physically belongs and is physically elite. Whoa, he plays a quarterback position better than I thought too. I mean, hey, Cam Newton, I don't give a damn that the team won six and ten his that year. They weren't that good.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I can tell you he was phenomenal though. You know, when you throw for 4,000 yards as a rookie, okay, 21 touchdowns, 700 rushing yards, and another 14 rushing touchdowns along with it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The next year is RG3, which was a magical season. It was great. Uh, where I'd give it, you know, where I don't go, I go Cam Newton over RG3. I do think RG3 had the advantage of having the Shanahan family with him to orchestrate some really creative, schematical things. Okay. They did go to the playoffs. He had a phenomenal year, but I just think sing like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And yeaah, you know, we talked about Dan Marino 3. Hey, number 4, Andrew Luck. You know, people might go, well how could you pick him over Russell Wilson? Russell Wilson also had a phenomenal rookie year. I just look at Andrew Luck and go, that also was not a very good team. Russell Wilson had a great defense, had the run game. It wasn't on him. Andrew Luck,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] From almost get go, it was like, hey buddy, gotta throw for 300, 3 TDs today. If you're not awesome, you're a failure. Exactly. And to me, that's right, you know me, I put a lot of stock into that. And then my fifth one with Big Ben, you know, Big Ben was not


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And I know they had a great defense in Jerome Bettis and do all that things. But go back, I mean, it still was making some big plays and some big moments too. I mean, I can remember Bill Parcell said he was the best rookie quarterback he had seen since Dan Marino at the time.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Since the merger to the AFC, to the championship game. You know, and again, I know there was a lot of help there, but it is what it is at this point. 13-0 and still had good stats, took care of the football and made plays at the proper time. That's why I put him 5.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Nice list. Thanks, man. Matt Ryan was an honorable mention. Really? Dak Prescott.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, yep, Dak Prescott was an honorable mention, certainly, I mean, 13 and 3, you know, he won, he won offensive rookie of the year, now, which, that was wrong, because the running back should have won it, Ezekiel Elliott.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And Baker Mayfield would be another guy that was there. But I just don't know if I could have quite put him into the list of these guys. Like Baker Mayfield maybe would have been 6 or 7, right, or right along that. It was a great rookie year, but I think these guys may have outshined him a little bit.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Holy shit list. Back to the main list. Yes. If you're ready. I-I am ready. Okay, so- You know what I want to ask you first? Yeah, go ahead. What's your porn name?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I love it. Pretty strong, right? I had a friend growing up who was Patrick Grandview. So that's great. This is better. That's great. I'll take mine, yea. Grand.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, I love that. That's pretty good. You know what? You like to get on the old saddleback, eh? Yeah. Alright, so I just wanted to bring that up because, uh, we're go- the next guy we're doing, and don't reveal it yet, okay?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] At number 16, quarterback Nick Foles of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Yes sir, putting Big Nick right there. Was his nickname part of the essential?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He was, I know, I know. It's a massive jump. It is a massive jump, but I think he did enough, you know,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And in that list where I had him at 33, that was made before he went on the Super Bowl run, right? So I didn't do that, and I came back with a readjusted list last year, but we never got into the 20s, right? Just kind of did my top 20. So yeaah, I think realistically going into last season, he probably would have been somewhere in the 20s.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, I think from what I saw the last two years combined, yeah, I'm gonna put Nick Foles right in the middle of the pack of the NFL right now.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The biggest thing and his best attribute to me is his size. That's where I start with Nick Foles. Are we talking about? No, we're talking about that actual man here. The actual player, the quarterback. Yes. His size is truly his best skill. And I know you've heard me say it before. Size is a skill, especially at the quarterback position.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That's where I go number one because even this year there were games where they didn't protect him all that great. He is so big and so unaffected by Akeem Hicks and Khalil Mack being around him.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He can throw with people around him as good as anybody in football. And hey, the game is about throwing under pressure.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] How, whether you're gonna move from it or get the body or hand quickly or be a dancer in the pocket to avoid it. You know, you gotta have something that helps you in those situations. Nick Foles, he just goes,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I'm gonna be fearless, I'm a huge 6'7 quarterback, and I don't care that people are getting pushed into my face, I'm just gonna stand in there and make throws. And I think between that, he can make every throw.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He's a good athlete. Again, like Jared Goff, he's below average athlete for 2019 quarterbacks. I mean, he's drafted in 1999, and we go, well, this guy's an exceptional quarterback.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The bar has changed as far as that's concerned at the quarterback position. But we saw, to win the game in Chicago, sprints out right, drops his arm down low, right, throws it underneath the armpit of William Floyd, I believe, or uh, Leonard Floyd, the linebacker for the Bears.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So plays like that, the clutchness, the ability to be accurate down the field throwing the football, to make those few throws a game where I go,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Man, there was nothing there. He had pressure in his face.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] To go, it's, it's phenomenal in that way. Uh, and, and those are really the positives. Hey, some of the negatives, not always the quickest feet, okay. It's not like this big time gigantic great arm. It's a good arm, but it's not a great arm.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know, part of the other negatives too, we're talking about a Super Bowl MVP is, we really haven't seen it sustained through a season here the last two years too, so that makes me knock him down a few spots just for that as well.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Right, and I think what shows with Nick Foles is


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Not necessarily a talent that's gonna be like, hey, jump on my back, guys, and I'll take, I'll take over. Okay? He's not that guy. I mean, we saw that the early start of the season last year. You know, the Eagles weren't playing well.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And they decided to go with Carson Wentz because they weren't playing well. And I mean, Carson Wentz is the future, but I also think they go, Nick can't get us out of this fun. Carson might be able to pull some magic and make things happen. But what foals has shown is when you do have a system around them and an offensive line and just some, some good receivers.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He can be deadly that way. And I think that's what I would say watch out for in Jacksonville. I think Jacksonville's got a very similar mold to the Philadelphia Eagles.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Big hulking offensive line, just like the Eagles.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You wanna crowd the box? Well we got RPOs and Nick Foles can stand in the pocket and throw deep post down the middle 65 yards and strike it if you wanna.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know, crowd the line of scrimmage and stop Leonard Fournette. Uh, John DiFilippo, he should know the offense. I think there's going to be a lot of similarities to what he did in Philadelphia. Hopefully DiFilippo will stay consistent with the run, which he didn't do in Minnesota last year.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, I think Nick Foles has at least proven that if you put a team around him in a system, he can maximize that. He's not necessarily going to be the guy that's like, oh shit, we're ravaged with injuries and we got nothing and we need you to be Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes today. No, that's not going to happen.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, they got a lot of, let me pull up their roster just a little bit because they got a lot of, uh, they got a lot of guys that are like unproven commodities, but I think the NFL world would go, ooh, there's some talent on that roster. You know, DD Westbrook for one. Okay. Mark Eastley, right off the bat. All right. So those are two guys where I go, ooh, they're better than I think.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The nation as a whole realizes. They haven't become household names yet. They drafted DJ Shark in the second round two years ago out of LSU. He's got Kealan Cole is there. They got Chris Conley, uh, from the Kansas City Chiefs and Free Agency. So, and they just signed Terrell Pryor.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's, it's good. It's not great. We're not gonna sit here and go, oh, we got a double-team Marquis Lee, or no one's gonna, you know, gonna beat the Jaguars. No, not that. They wanna run the ball, they're gonna impose their physical will, and they're gonna use the tight end in the pass game a little bit, and do that, and, and uh, play through their defenses, which is, which they should do.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Would be one of those teams, and if anybody listened to the podcast I did on Tuesday, I said, if you wanted value bets for, and I don't even know what the odds were for MVP, I said like Garoppolo and Carson Wentz would be those guys where I'd go, if you want to put out $10 and hope you might win, you know, $1,000, those would be guys I would throw out there. If you wanted to do that, I don't know what the Jaguars odds were,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] For the year? Probably not real good. I would say that would be a team I would go, I would bet the odds aren't great and if you wanted to make a steal in betting I would go watch out for Jacksonville to be in the playoffs and be a major player in the AFC.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And well, there's not a lot of quarterbacks in football who are as tall as Nick Foles, and Nate Sudfeld, oddly enough, is one of those that's like up there at 6'6", 6'7", yeaah. What an idiot you are.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If he grew, if he grew that hair out like that, you're right. There's a lot there. Yeah. I'm okay. I'm proud. I'm proud of that. Good job. Way to contribute to the pod. Finally. You the man. A thousand minutes in.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That was close. I didn't even know the picture. There was some similarities.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Number 15. Kirk Cousins. Yes. Kirk Cousins. He doesn't perform in prime time. We got to knock him down because when he's dropping back to pass, he's going, oh gosh, this is a big play. This is prime time. Oh my gosh. Oh, let me step up in the pocket. This is a big play. This is prime time. That's what he's thinking.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So, so yeaah. Oh no, Mike Floria's gonna say something bad about me. I better, this is prime time. Uhm, but he might anyway. I don't necessarily like that. Uhm, okay, so here with Kirk Cousins. Pocket passer, right? You know, again, there's not many guys on this list that aren't good athletes at this point.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But Kirk Cousins is a guy, yeaah, he's not making a living scrambling. He's a decent thrower of the football on the run, but that's not what he's gonna do. Kirk Cousins is gonna beat you within the pocket, with aggressive decision making. He is the ultimate, ooh.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I've seen the coverage. I diagnosed it. I'm coming up firing and I'm not looking for any Charlie check downs or anything like that. That's what I like about Kirk Cousins Crane. Very good mindset. Arm.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Arm is better than I think it gets credit for. And why do I say that? Well, you know, yes, is it Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, you know, Deshaun Watson, Tom Brady? No, it's not a knack class, but it's really damn good to where Kirk Cousins can make a lot of throws.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Off his back foot or people, uh, people at his feet. I mean, if you want to go, go back and watch the Eagles game last year, he's backed up in the end zone on a third down and throws a bomb down the right sideline where he's getting killed, I think by Fletcher Cox. Huge play, momentum playing, changing game type play.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Hey, go back and watch the Green Bay Packers game. Tell me you didn't make some unbelievable throws in that game. Especially the one I believe that tied it late in the fourth quarter.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He throws it on the right side and somebody hits him in the knee, but still has enough ability to turn, throw it, has a very flexible fluid arm like that, which I like. And he throws a ball into the like cover two hole shot right into the one yard line, almost gets intercepted, but he squeezed it in there to tie the game up. They were down what?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Fourteen or sixteen in the fourth quarter in Lambeau. That doesn't happen very much. The game ended up being a tie. So, Kirk Cousins can make


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The throws and plays, in my opinion, in my evaluation, that can change a game. Now people are going to look at last year and go, well, they fell off. Oh, they were better with Kirk Kay's kingdom. You know, this was such a bad investment. I mean, bullshit, bullshit. I'm going to fight back against that notion.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I don't want to hear it. I don't like it. I don't think it's fair. It's a team sport, one. Number two, Kirk Cousins was what? 30 touchdown passes, 10 interceptions last year.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] With one of the five, with one of the five or six worst run games in football. With one of the five or six worst offensive lines in football. Oh, that's right. The offensive line coach died before the season started. God rest his soul. Tony's, uh, uh, Tony Sparano, excuse me.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That can cause some issues on your offense, okay? Let's take that into account. Let alone they were banged up up front. I mean, he got killed last year.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, okay, so then there's that aspect. The defense didn't play as good. Oh, that's right. The offensive coordinator got fired halfway through the year. Must have not been doing that good of a job. Okay, but yet we're all gonna blame it on Kirk Cousins.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He's a big time thrower of the football. And I mean that in the way of


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Not necessarily like 60 yard bombs and lasers all over the football field, but, you know, 10 yard out, bam, on the money. Slant route, bam, on the money, you know.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Alright, 15-yard in-cut, bam, on the money. You know, he can put the ball wherever he wants it, and he can do it from, you know, different delivery points as well. Now, because of that aggressive nature, the negatives of the Kirk Cousins are, you know, he has some interceptions every year where I'm gonna go,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That is full Tropic Thunder right there. Like, I don't know how you do that. How could you be that smart? And there's one that comes to my mind in the Bears game, uh, on a Monday night or Sunday night football game.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Where he throws the ball, it's like a slot corner route to the sideline. He comes up, he had already made his mind up, which is what I talked about. I love his decision making and his ability to process information. But every now and then, you know, you're not going to be right on that all the time. And Grudin would always go, see throws, see throws. Cause you know, you might turn your head or look somewhere else and things have changed, you know, to where you saw earlier, right? And every now and then, yeah, there's a few games where I look at it and go,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Damn, he just came up throwing. There was four defenders there. What the hell was that? But not that often. If what you said is correct. Is ten interceptions. Only ten last year. Yes. I know.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] With no running game. Yea, right? I know, that's, you know, and, you know, the way he played last year, not a real creative offense, no run game, no pass protection,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The ball was going to two people, Thielen or Diggs. That's all it was, it was either Thielen or Diggs. Diggs or Thielen? Diggs or Thielen?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Dillard Hicks. Okay, that's all they did. That's all they had on offense. Oh, screen to Dalvin Cook. Whoa, okay, great.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So, you know, there wasn't, I wasn't sitting there watching film going, whoa, the creativity of this often. A lot of the stats in yards that were accumulated in the past game by the Minnesota Vikings were done with pure physical ability of Kirk Cousins, Thielen, and Diggs. Just getting it done because they're the good players. Now that's why they had weeks of,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The Buffalo Bills, where you go, and the Buffalo Bills just totally shut down that offense and made them, because they were all over some of the things and tendencies the Bill, you know, the Vikings did to where


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, he couldn't even pull it out because they knew, oh, on third and 10th, they're going to throw the digs, let's just take them away and let's see if we can do something. You know, they were all over some of that stuff to where, yeah, their physical ability couldn't overcome.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Some of the other defenses that were not only well coached, but had talent on them as well, like the Chicago Bears. But when it was a little bit more tipped in the scales of being even, then we saw he could move the ball and make plays.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He's a riser. I hear a lot of positive things about him. I don't know a lot about him.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But Stefanski, it seems like yeaah, there's potential. And then you got a guy like Kubiak there with Rick Denison to kinda help out, add two cents.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And Shanahan? Oh, Kubiak's in that same school. Kubiak was the head coach for Shanahan. He was the OC of the Houston Texans. And of course Kubiak was underneath Mike Shanahan. So I thought that was probably part of the reasoning of bringing him up there. He can install some of the concepts that we saw.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Cousins be so good with McVeigh and Shanahan prior to Minnesota and Washington D.C.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I don't think I really realized it until just the last few days when I put this list together, the rookie quarterback list, I started to look, and I went, don't, it dawned on me, I just went, oh my gosh, 2012 was, was pretty damn special.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I just like the Jacksonville Jaguars team better. I think the Jaguars defense is special. Like a special group of talent.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I think with their offensive line, you know, last year they got really banged up. Fornette was having a hard time staying healthy. They got banged up a little bit at receiver. And then they had a quarterback who couldn't make enough plays.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When things weren't going good to kind of get them back on the right side of the momentum conversation. I just look at Jacksonville as a team that I think is very special. Minnesota I think is very good, but damn that division is good. Okay. And I still, yeah, I got to kind of see it to believe it with Minnesota still. Minnesota is on that like last I think


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Fringe, wild card, we make the playoffs, one year we're the two seed, but then we go back to missin', whatever it is. I just don't know. I'm not sure about the bike. I wanna see how Stefanski works out. I wanna see that run game work. So yeaah, I'm gonna go with Jacksonville right now.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That's cool, uhm, we gotta give a shout out to Roto World.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, yep, and I think you're supposed to read that part, but I can read too.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If you want. I'll teach you that in Texas. I'm a good reader. I'm good-er than you.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I do. You're that kind of guy. I, you know. I've had better. Exactly. Exactly. That's right where we started, isn't it? Exactly, yes.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, and, and see it on, on the computer screen, youtube.com slash NBC Sports.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Please send comments, let's talk, let's talk out the quarterback thing. Anything specific questions, I am welcoming the conversation. I am not here to tell you that I am like God and everything I've written is in stone, okay? I understand I can be wrong and if you can bring some good points to prove me I'm wrong, then I'm all for saying I'm wrong.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You're writing complaints. Yes, exactly right. But everybody have a good weekend. Happy Father's Day. Enjoy the U.S. Open Golf. I'm pumped to see that. And the PLL. And the PLL, you know.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yo yo, what's up? Come on man, subscribe on YouTube to Chris Simms on Button Podcast. I need you, please hit the subscribe button, please!


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Do you want more unwritten rules in football like baseball has? You must, right? Because you love that, right? You love the unwritten rules.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's a slow, boring game a lot of the times. It's background music. If you're at home, it's something you could do the crossword puzzle if you were actually at a game.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's that type of sport, so speed it up, make it a little more fun. Here's the deal, if you don't, we talked about this, it's every sport. If you don't like celebrations, you don't have to celebrate. If you don't want the other team to celebrate,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, you don't have to. And if you don't want the other person to celebrate.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] In all walks of life, I think those are probably pretty good rules to play by. Pretty good rules, yes. Okay. Yeah. Alright. I just wanted to get you riled up here. Thank you. You got it off my chest. Yeah. Do you feel better? I do feel better. Alright. I think I got it all off. Okay. Well, we'll see. If it strikes you again and you kind of rant and rave, that's what I'm here for. Okay, thanks a lot, man. Yeah, I'm here to listen to you.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We got a few things coming up. You spoke to AJ Green. And we're going to hear that in a little bit. You want to tease him? You want to tell us one little, give us a little nugget.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, next year's draft, the odds on, uh, favorites to go number one, who we like. Right. You know, who we think is maybe just a good value if you're looking at those odds. Uh, but before that, in the NFL right now, uh, tomorrow, Friday is the deadline for teams to pick up fifth year options on players who are drafted.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] In the 2016 draft. Right. And we're gonna take a look at guys who went top 10, top 15, uh,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And a couple guys right now we know already are not going to have that option picked up. That's right. And a few guys already have had it picked up. As we take a look at the top ten right now, we just remind people at home that Jared Goff obviously was number one overall pick. Then it was Carson Wentz, followed by Joey Bosa.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Zeke, Jalen Ramsey, Ronnie Stanley, out of Notre Dame went to Baltimore, DeFarce Buckner, and then...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Jack Conklin, we know, Tennessee, they did not pick up that option, and number nine is Leonard Floyd at Chicago, and then Eli Apple, who clearly is no longer with the New York Giants.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The funny thing is, Giants fans don't even care now.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] No, they can care less. They have bigger issues right now with the draft. You're exactly right. Way, way bigger issues.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If we go back. Yeaah. Right now. And you have an opportunity to redraft, reposition some of these guys. Sure. Make some moves. Let's start right at the top. Yeaah. Right at the top.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Rams, Jared Goff, quarterback, knowing what you know now, and you have a Rams coming off of the Super Bowl, Jared Goff, in there, quarterback, would Goff still be that guy? Considering everything it took just to get there.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Everything we know now. But can I just, let me tell this guy. You know how this started. And it started poorly. Because not only did you not like, not love the pick, but then you couldn't have liked how it actually got underway with the Rams.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But the fact that it was so bad, leads you to what? McVeigh. Yes, right. Okay. So you have to incorporate that. So if Wentz is there and they're better, where are we with the Rams? Maybe you're saying, maybe you're not.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Just the fact that you get McVeigh because of how bad it went at the beginning, I think it's worth it. I do!


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Now the big thing is you go outside of the top 10, in fact you go outside of the first round and you start wondering about guys that you would move up and where you would move them and how high you would move them. And the biggest question is a quarterback. Because where would you put Dak Prescott? If you redrafted this at this point, how high does Dak Prescott go?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Heck, when they were struggling last year, they were basically telling us that they were still going to pay this tax. Exactly right.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It was so solid for that top ten, but then after that, obviously, I mean listen, there are questions about Carl Joseph just in Oakland, although I think they're obviously much more significant, much bigger questions about guys like Corey Coleman.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know, that would be an issue. Listen, and I get the allure obviously with Corey Coleman and Will Fuller, which was the speed factor there. Yes, I get it too. And you're blown away by that. But I would also say, when you look and you see second round pickin' Michael Thomas.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Well, and it's funny too because we talked about that, uh, that defense, that defensive line and the rush ends and bigger names on that defense, but Chris Jones was becoming the bigger name and with good reason. I mean, paying attention, you're watching. And he's, he's one of these guys that you mentioned, first of all, he did have the stats. He did have the stats. But if he didn't have the stats, he'd have the Chris Sims.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Second round guys, right? Like you were mentioning. You have Chris Jones.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You get Miles Jack. Right. You get Michael Thomas. Yep. You get Sterling Shepard. Yeah, Sterling Shepard deserves to be there. I think Derrick, Derrick Henry's interesting. No doubt about it. Concerned how things played out last year. And then, really the boldest pick. Right. Of the second round that year. And I'm not saying he could be a first rounder because listen, we all know how it went down at the end of his college career.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But that Jalen Smith pick in the second round was a bold,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Hick, considering what was going on with him physically and the severity of the injury that he was dealing with. But I can tell you, we cover Notre Dame, we're there, I remember watching him walk off the practice field, it was before his freshman year, guys have their pads off, it's hot, they take their shirts off, and I saw this guy and I was, everyone's like, wow.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Who is that guy? People thought he was a senior because he was chiseled. Unbelievable. I mean, he's a rare physical specimen and I think Dallas Cowboys saw it. If there's anyone that can come back for this. And if he can come back and just be 85% of the guy he was. And wow, what a gamble and the payoff is there.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So, let's do this. Let's take the quarterbacks out. Okay. Okay, let's take Gough Wentz off the board. If you had to pick the number one player, non-quarterback in this draft, knowing what we know now, your number one pick, regardless of need, regardless of team, just the best player.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That's the interesting thing, right? Because it is the position that people believe. If you have a talented player, he can come in right away, he can be that guy. And you mentioned some corners there.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Can you imagine what Dallas did in that draft? It's amazing. It's remarkable.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He basically wants to know, Trevor Lawrence, Jake Fromm, Justin Herbert, how would they rank in this group?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So this pass group that came out in this draft, if you had quarterbacks looking forward, obviously Lawrence is two years down the line. Yea, right. But how, if they were all eligible, or Herbert was, and came out,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Just so I can throw this out there. Please do. If Justin Herbert came out and that goes down and Arizona takes Justin Herbert. Right.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Is Kyler Murray on Oakland? I guess. Is Kyler Murray with John Gruden at that point? Hey. Daniel Johnson's still with the Giants, cause he was the guy they wanted. They loved him. We'll find out about insanity three years down the road.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] As we go to the 2020 draft, the odds released for the potential top overall pick and the clear odds on favorite.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Two would talk about Aloha from Alabama. One to three odds to be the top overall pick in the NFL draft. After that, it's Jake Fromm out of Georgia. Herbert, who we talked about out of Oregon. And then you start getting into position players. Chase Young.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Jerry Judy, you go back to Alabama. But, here's the thing. First off, you'll get the last two drafts, and the two guys who went number one overall, the two quarterbacks out of Oklahoma. They weren't there, right? No, in fact, you probably couldn't even get odds on Kyler Murray. Yes, right. I mean, he would have been completely out. Exactly right.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Right away, first off, you don't want to bet on anything that's 1-3. I don't know that much about gambling, but I'm pretty sure that's a bad value. So you start looking at value bets here, and you look at the other two quarterbacks potentially.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I think what's interesting here also, if you're just looking at the odds and you're looking at actually playing this, I mean,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, you go away from quarterbacks entirely. I mean, maybe you put someone on Herbert, but then after that, uh, you go to position, right? You go defensive tackle, and you go rush ends, who are at 30 and 40 to one, and then you hope that some team that gets the number one pick that doesn't want a quarterback, and they go defense, and then you grab one of those guys. I mean, uh, and the fact that Jerry Judy's up there at 31 is great.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I think it's really nice, but no one's taking a wide receiver with a double. It's just not happening.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, so we start talking about the potential for a number one overall draft pick and we've seen QBs go.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Last two years, Oklahoma QBs go last two years, the top overall pick. Of course, you want to be in a position where you have a team that needs a quarterback or you're Arizona.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You feel like once again drafting a quarterback in the top 10. So, give me teams in the mix you think potentially, from this year, could be there, near the top of the draft board, could position themselves for a top overall pick and with that pick, they will take a quarterback.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But at this point, if you're that bad, and things are awful, and you truly believe, and you can get the number one overall pick, and you truly believe that you have a guy who's going to be a superstar, how could you not? And more to the point, how can you sit there?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Listen, I don't wish them to be unsuccessful, but I kind of want to see them in the position where the decision has to be made. And I'd be so curious to see how they handle that.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Listen, we have Tua, who's the overwhelming odds-on favorite, to go number one, then it's the other two quarterbacks, but I wanna throw someone in there, long shot, off the board, but,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Potentially. All legs and ass team. I'm intrigued. For Chris Sims. Ooh. Here he is. AJ Dillon. Oh. Boston College running back.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] For those who cannot see the picture, for those who can't see the picture, paint a word picture of AJ Dillon's legs as we see them right now, the running back for Boston College.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] As I look at this picture, I also would say that if you are going to be one of these people who plays sports, be it recreationally or at a high level, and you have decided to roll up your shorts or your sleeves,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Your legs and arms better look like that because there's always this guy who rolls up the shorts and you're going, you don't do that. Unless you're just trying to get a tan, we don't want to really show you. Yeah, it's not working for any of us.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Alright, so we go from AJ Dillon to AJ Green. You have a chance to have a conversation with the Bengals wide receiver. Some interesting stuff here. Let's take a listen.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I want to find out more about this, uh, this hot dog with everything and what else was on it? A crab?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Oh, you know what you do? Slice that hot dog right down the middle. Take a little piece of American cheese, break it up into little strips, put it right there, it melts in between.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Delicious. Yeah, I don't know if I'm throwing crab on top of that, but it's pretty good on its own.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Okay, yeaah. You, you're breaking ground here. Thank you. Alright, uh, I'm curious, you know what, maybe you could try it out at the next Bill's Tailgate. Because things are changing with the Buffalo Bills. Tailgate News. Tailgate Village.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Tailgate Village. That's pretty exciting. Yeah, tell me about this. In order to potentially curb bad fan behavior, this is from the Buffalo News. Now it's a new policy that requires fans who arrive in buses to purchase a tailgating package along with their parking pass. 20 person vehicle, 300 bucks.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Six hundred for a forty person vehicle. Nine hundred for a sixty person vehicle. My god, that's a massive vehicle. Uh, we're talking about all buses, tailgates. This tailgate village has room for four thousand fans. Basically, I think the idea is they would like to cut down on the amount of people that are throwing themselves from


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Whatever you want. Uh, that, yeah. I do think there's something to be said about the fact that, listen, I think you go to a Bills game, you know you're gonna expect like a certain level of insanity and craziness. That's just what it's come to be known for. That is, it is.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, so that was like eye-opening for me. There's a few good ones. Yeah, like to see what went on at big time colleges for Tailgates and now obviously working it so you get like a little look at it but you're not involved in it. Uh, I don't know, listen, there's something about, I understand the idea of like curbing things so people don't get hurt and so you're not frightening certain members of the fan base.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But there's something about, like, you know the Buffalo Bills and you know Buffalo because it is a scene there, man. They love their football. It's the number one thing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That is, that's also one of those places where you roll up on the bus, and Tony Dungy has spoken about this too, where, uh, it's one of the few places he's gone, and, like, you're a little afraid. You definitely are a little, you get a full cast of characters. It's not just like, woah, look at this, it's kind of like, oh, woah. There's everything. Like yeaah, your first couple times walking in there, you're like, oh my god.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You didn't like unwritten rules for baseball. I don't, I feel like you don't like unwritten rules for tailgating. Of course, that's within reason. There should be some written rules. Some written rules. We don't want people dying. Exactly. We don't want people basically being scarred for life because they saw something.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's Saturday, 2.30pm Eastern on NBC. That's when things get started. Von Miller's gonna be there. He's a lifestyle correspondent. Awesome. That's pretty cool. There's gonna be plenty of people from the world of sports. Lots of NFL people go to this.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Alright, so. I love this event. It's awesome. It's kind of like a kickoff to spring almost. It does feel that way. And it's a bit of like a red carpet event. It's a party scene. It's got some gambling. It's got some sports. There's so much going on.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If you could hang with one group of people that are going to this, we have the Brady Bunch, looks like that weekend.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Down there, Edelman, Amandola, Garoppolo, Hoyer, Bob Castle, a lot of uh, a lot of quarterbacks there. A lot of ex-quarterbacks and receivers, right? Berset, Volvnet, or there's a Packers group that is A-Rod, Jimmy Graham, Devontae Adams, Cobbs on there, AJ Hawks on that list, Linsley's on that list.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Here's the thing. Which group would you hang out with? Because it's one thing to like, roll as a celebrity. I'm just curious.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] One group I feel like you can build your brand with pretty well. Is one group more fun to hang out with though?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Well, first off, I feel like, I mean, not that Brady-ism, but I feel, I feel like Rogers is gonna be guarded.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Better question. You want to hang out with a bunch of quarterbacks or would you rather hang out with a bunch of offensive linemen?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I would also say, like, I've seen the offensive linemen at different places. I've been to Nashville for a Stanley Cup final when all the Tennessee Titans are up there. That's a good group there. That group right there looks like, like, that's just a part of their night. Right. That, what they're doing there. You, like, I want to find out what they were doing before, what they're doing after. That looks like a group you want to hang out with.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I would also say for me, it would be a tough night because I'm 170 pounds. And, like, I'd need a nap after dinner if I'm hanging out with these guys the way they eat. Yes. And they're crushing beers.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, that's what I need to do. Just to keep it going. Yeah, I mean these guys are crushing beers like they're nothing because to them, it is nothing. So, could be a rough, rough experience. Definitely be rough.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Alright, done. Done. Wrap it up. Alright, that's it. This is where you're gonna crush it right now. You know it. Here I go.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You want your nose tackle, your shade nose, he should be the most powerful football player on the team.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Paulie's gonna, uh, ask me a lot of questions. Ask me some of my logic behind that. Uh, first thing first, okay? Wanna, wanna pub this while we're out there. Thursday night, first round of the draft. Going to Treadwell Park.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Okay, did I say that right? Is Treadwell? Where is Treadwell Park? I just wanna make sure I said that right. Okay, yes. Treadwell Park, yes, and it's 62nd and 1st. Okay. Okay, I'm gonna be a man of the people, please come interact if you're in the New York City area, the Tri-State area. We're gonna have fun, I'm gonna watch a draft, we're gonna make social videos.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And, you know, screw Phil Sins, as I like to say. We got Devon White and Ed Oliver. Nice.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] No oh? I know, there's not a lot of oh to talk about. And yes, the stars of this draft.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Friday, the last thing here, uhm, we're not gonna do a Thursday podcast this week. So Friday will be a day of the podcast where you're gonna do the round one draft recap. That'll be you and me, right, Paulie? Yes. And, uh, we'll hit on that and all the things that we found interesting, stupid, smart, whatever it may be. All of the above. All of the above. So that was it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I tried to be the GM for all 32 teams. I'm not going to get into, oh, this is what I'm hearing and this is what I think they'll do because I've heard this rumor from some coach or NFL insider. To me, that's when you're throwing darts at a board with the mock draft.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I have evaluated these guys thoroughly as you know.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I really take my time going through each team, looking at their needs, what makes sense, does the value make sense, what's available on the board.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And I start at scratch with every pick and go, okay, you know, here we are. It's, it's pick number four, Oakland Raiders. What do they need? Who's off the board? And I try to act like I'm the GM for all 32 teams.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But, I'm sure, from everybody, and I welcome all those things, and if you wanna talk, come on, message us, you know, on Twitter, Instagram, whatever it may be.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] What did I say? I think it was a Mac. It was a Mac. A Mac draft. That would be good. I was in Boston last weekend, so it was a Mac draft.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, that's a very good question by you. I think that probably went through a lot of people's mind.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] This is, to me, this is what it's all about. Kansas City has changed their defensive philosophy this year. They're going from Bob Sudden, who played a 3-4-ish type defense, from the Rex Ryan School of Coaching, to now Steve Spagnolo, who's a true 4-3 guy. Okay, and I think that, for one, here's the first thing I'll say.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I think he's been significantly more consistent in the start of his career than D. Ford, who really just had this past year where we went, ooh, this is one of the better edge guys in football. Okay, so that is the first thing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The second thing is, I think when you look at what the Chiefs have done on the defensive side of the ball, now going 4-3, you do need some bigger guys on the edge of the defense. Steve Ford, a guy that's 245, 250 pounds, probably has to work pretty hard to stay around that weight.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know, now you're playing 4-3 defense end and you're gonna have to take tight ends and tackles on a little bit more on a consistent basis and run game situations and things like that.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I think that's the other part of this, where the Chiefs have gone, okay, if we're gonna play a 4-3, our edge guys have to be a little bit bigger. And if you're watching on YouTube or anything like that,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Here's a great example. Frank Clark, 6'3", 265. I think that's even light. I think he light-weighted at 271 at the combine, okay? So this is more about fit with the scheme. I think it's more fit with scheme and finding more, uh,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] All around type players on the edge of the defense. Breland speaks, a second round pick last year for the Chiefs, Ole Miss, 6-3, 285. He's going to be in that conversation. They got Emmanuel Ogba from Cleveland in the trade, 6-4, 275.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, so I think these guys are more all-around good football players. Not just pass rushers, but are dominant against a run too. That will give them a little bit more, I think, of a physical presence. Again, I'm just gonna throw this out there for food for thought, for everybody that's, you know, talking about this. Let's not forget one thing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Steve Ford was really good last year. Justin Houston was really good too. Both gone. Yep, both gone. And you know what all that did for them last year? Defensively? Yeah.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, absolutely nothing. What are you looking up then? Well, I'm looking up, I'm looking up, okay, not only were they the 31st ranked defense, I wanted to look up their pass stats.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And other games where they were not up, they couldn't make a stop, a la the ASC Championship game and other things like that. Right, so I think that's the philosophy they're using there, and I think they just went with somewhat of a more


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] For sure thing with Frank Clark who I think D4D is a little bit more hit or miss and risk factor there.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yes, I think where Kansas City was picking, I bet you as they started to look at the draft and how it might shake out, because everybody, these teams do their own mock drafts of how they think it's going to play out. I think they probably looked at it and said, ooh, damn, all these good defensive end edge guys that we like in the draft,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] They're not going to be here when we pick a number 29. And I think that's probably what concerned them and they probably felt like that was their number one need. So they said, you know what? Pick number 29. Let's go with a proven commodity and Frank Clark and go from there. And I think that's, that's, it was probably their logic behind it. I have your mock draft in hand.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] No, I'm not at all. Okay, so, alright, so the first thing, I think the first thing you look at, Bosa, Ed Oliver, Quinn and Williams, I mean, hey, I think there's almost no chance that it's not these four people in the top four, right, as far, maybe the Jets take a Quinn and Williams at three and then the Raiders take Ed Oliver at four.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] There's some people throwing some curveballs out into the wind. I think it's a slam dunk still.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I don't believe Cliff Kingsbury's poker face in his interview yesterday. I mean, he said the hay's not in the barn. He looked down to the left, kind of had an awkward look on his face. A lot like Doug Marrone looked when he said, Nick who? Nick who? Oh, Nick Foles. I didn't know who you were talking about. Yeah, no, we never thought about him. Oh wait, we're going to sign him in like three months.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We're, we're definitely going to trade them. Put them in the video. So then they put them in the video. Uh, the things that Cliff Kingsbury said, the fact that Cliff Kingsbury and Kyler Murray have the same agent, the fact that Kyler Murray's on his way to Nashville right now as we speak, all of those things lead me to believe he is the number one pick.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The reason I would believe that they would be saying the things they're saying about Josh Rosen as of yesterday, they had a mini-camper, an OTA, one of the two. Either way, they were playing football in Arizona yesterday. He wants to have a good quarterback.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He wants practice to go well. Or it does matter. He's evaluating the team. He wants the offense to be run smoothly. He wants them to get off, you know, get out of the huddle. He wants us, he wants a good quarterback so he can evaluate the rest of his team. So he doesn't want to tell, they're not going to go, Oh no, Kyle Murray is the guy.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Hey, uh, you know, uh, uh, Josh, don't worry about practice today. No, they're trying to get something out of this right now. I think that's probably the point of why they say what they say right now.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeaah, okay, and that's a, I think that's a great question right at the back. Quinnen Williams is a better all-around player than me, yes, than Ed Oliver.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Now, the thing I look about it here would be, okay, the ceiling. Who's got a higher ceiling? I think if you got into that, I'd go, ooh, that's very close. Ed Oliver has a very high ceiling. I mean, it could be Aaron Donald-ish in his own right.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, he's certainly one of the freakiest athletes in the draft. And of course I know, yeah, Quinnen Williams is probably, you know, him or Kyler Murray are the number one player in the draft for me.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Need an edge pass rusher, which is one of the reasons you're hearing them wanting to get out of pick number three, because they don't feel comfortable about anybody off the edge at number three. Ed Oliver can kind of kill two birds with one stone. He could be a defensive tackle, three technique. He could play four, three defense and two. And what also came into play here for me was,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yes, that Greg Williams was on the St. Louis Rams when they drafted Aaron Donald. And it's a very similar guy to where I think he's an elected disruption that player brings to his defense with the fact that he already has Leonard Williams, I think is why they pass up Quinn and Williams, even though I do think Quinn and Williams is the better player. I just says maybe not the better fit for them. Right.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I'm buying it. We'll see if all the Jets fans out there buy it. We invite all the reaction there. At the very least, Oliver is definitely one of the best, five best prospects of this draft. I mean at 287 and when you can run like you're a damn middle linebacker or something or a strong safety.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That's special and that's what people are looking for.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yes, uh, Drew Locke to the Giants. That would be my pick at quarterback. Yes, I mean, Drew Locke to me is the second best quarterback in the draft.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I mean, great athlete, has the type of arm to be able to throw up in the Northeast in November, December. Uh, I think really him or Kyler Murray, it's debatable who's the most natural thrower, uh, in the draft. Locke has a big time arm. So yes, if I'm the New York Giants, that would be my pick. I think the big thing here,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Is probably the 5 and 8 pick. Devon White to the Bucks, I have him going there. You know, does that become Josh Allen?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Jacksonville, a lot of talk about maybe them going offensive line. Their offensive line is already really good. And they have an offensive line head coach who, my history shows me


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Those guys are good at finding people under the radar and they're good at coaching and making players better than they really are. I don't think Doug Marrone's gonna waste


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I looked at Detroit overall, I know they signed Trey Flowers, that's great.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I look at Josh Allen almost as maybe being a Dante Hightower-ish type of player.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] What he can do is kinda similar to Josh Allen. He can play 3-4 outside linebacker. You can play him at defense to end. There's some true pass rush ability. Oh no, this week we need you at Mike linebacker or this down. Okay, we can do that. I think ultimately that's what Josh Allen is going to be. A little bit of that hybrid stand up linebacker.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I mean, they got a first round center. You know, they have a pretty good right tackle. They got a second round left tackle or a first round Taylor Decker out of Ohio State. To me, I think the defense needs more difference makers up front. That's why they go Josh Allen.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I honestly think, would I feel where it's going to go right now, is it's going to go Daniel Jones at number 6, which I think is insane, but I do. I just feel like-


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, I think that he's probably a lot like Peyton, uh, Eli Manning and his demeanor and the way he is.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] David Cutcliffe coached him. They trusted him with Eli Manning when he came out of Ole Miss. To me that's where I just feel the giants. There's too many things. Gil Brandt talks on the radio last week about how Daniel Jones is really Peyton Manning.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Okay, and then the first people to pick it up and put it out in the world was NJ.com, New Jersey.com, one of their sites. To me, that shows me that the giants were trying to sell this on the public already to kind of gauge it, warn them, let them know that this was going to be the pick. Couldn't they get him at 17? Maybe, but if he's your guy, I think you take him.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You're just, you're riskin' a lot. You're riskin' a lot. You know, hey, do the Dolphins maybe like em'? Do the Redskins like em'? You know, again, I would say no, but we don't know what those teams are thinkin'. And if you're sold that one guy is your franchise quarterback,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Alright, so uhm, Montez Sweat, uh, you know, again, I think he's a top 10 pick. I look at the Buffalo Bills, Jerry Hughes is getting up there in age.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, maybe the tight end Hawkinson would have been in play for the Bills. I think that this is probably their next best option to go this route. They made some improvements to their offensive line through free agency and everything like that. So I don't know if they'll go with that at number nine. At number nine, they're all lined. They're making the right strides. They can get another guy in the second round.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If they want to round out the Ola Montez sweat, I think it's too special to pass up for them. So that jumps out to me.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yes. We haven't seen much of that. No, we have definitely not seen. You're right about that. I'm glad you brought it up because, uh, it is. And maybe this is a hair of overdraft of both of these guys where they go a little earlier than they would have most years.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] No, you're right. It's not. It's rare. I mean, it's Miles Jack, right? A few years ago to Jacksonville. It's, you know, Roquan Smith. It's every now and then you see a guy that's that special at middle linebacker.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I think both of these guys are worthy of that. I think also what's happened in the NFL, you know, a lot of your team defensive speed is dictated through that middle linebacker play. The guy who can fly around and be the ball hawk or cover the tight end down the middle of the field.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] All of those things. I just look at Vic Fangio, the Denver Broncos.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, Devin Bush, he wants, you know, as a defensive head coach, he wants his defense to get off to a good head start. And I think Devin Bush, they have a need at middle linebacker. I think that makes a lot of sense for them. Uh, you know, and he drafted a similar guy in Roquan Smith last year, but the two Devons...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Are in a class of their own a little bit as far as the rest of the linebacking course. So I think that's why they get probably get a little overvalued in this conversation.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, I look at the Green Bay Packers and go, okay, what do we want to do there? You know, okay, maybe you could get an offensive lineman. I think, you know, they had a little need at right guard. Okay, maybe they could get a tackle for the future because Balaga is getting up there at age.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Still, they're there at this point. They got a Billy Turner to play right guard. I hope I'm getting that right, Billy Turner. I got names and I just go off the top of my head sometimes. Alright, I got that right. Uh, so I think again, even to address guard needs, they could probably do that in the second round. There's nobody there of value or a great need there.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] No, exactly right. Not really there to that extent. And I look at their defense. They got some edge guys in free agency. They got some good young corners. Their safety plays pretty good. And I just look, you know, they got Adrian Amos in free agency.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And one of my issues with Green Bay is lack of kind of big people difference makers in their front seven. It's only really been Mike Daniels and Kenny Clark.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know, last year they signed Muhammad Wilkerson to be that guy. He got hurt. He's not there. I just think Rashawn Gary, they probably got a really good look and have a feel for him because they're up there in that area. So it made sense to me and I do think that Mike Petten likes that type of guy with the versatility he can bring.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] No, there's not. No, there's not. And then, hey, just to talk about this, the Bangles, Jonah Williams.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know, the Bengals, maybe they could go pass rusher here as far as a difference maker. Their defense aligns still pretty damn good.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Okay, uh, so there's players there I like on their team to where I go, ooh, they're not desperate there. I just felt like they were desperate as far as the interior old line. Uh, they need something there. I went with Jonah Williams. Big reason being, I think he is the best guard in the draft. I don't think he's worthy of the number 11 pick.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But I think there is lack of high-end talent at the guard position in this draft, and I think that he leads the way, so they'll probably overdraft him to a degree.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I mean, the logic is there. I think, you know, whether they think I'm logical or not, probably not. But, uh, if I'm the Miami Dolphins, first thing is, I think Dwayne Haskins is very much worthy of a top 10 pick or a top 15 pick. This would be the very exact situation


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I would wanna Dwayne Haskins in. Oh, we got Ryan Fitzpatrick. He's the guy. We let this young kid who's only played one year of college football.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Who's also still a kid, he's 21, I don't mean that to be a bad way. There's nothing wrong with being 21 and acting like you're 21. Right. You know, we get a little fooled because of the Andrew Lux of the world who come in and are 21 and they act like they're 42.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Okay, this kid's a kid. Either way. But there's good in this player. He's got talent, he's got smarts, so everything is there.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You've got to sit behind him, Ryan Fitzpatrick, for a year, and then he becomes your franchise guy. Also look at the Dolphins and go, what is it? It's New England Southeast, right? They believe in big pocket type quarterbacks who are going to stand in there and make throws just like Brady does. So I think he fits their overall concept of what they would like on offense, too.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I thought about it. The Redskins are a team where I just looked at and was like, man, what are the Redskins going to do? You know, they could use a corner. When I looked at it, maybe a difference maker on the edge of the defense too, where I went, ooh, does Brian Burns go to the Redskins because they lost, you know, Preston Smith to the Packers and free agency.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Damn, they got a really good defensive line as is. They still got Ryan Kerrigan. They're offensive line. They still got Trent Williams and Brandon Scherf and Morgan Moses. They got a good offensive line. They just haven't been able to stay healthy. So I went to it and said, okay,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Would it be a greedy Williams maybe? Or a DK Metcalf? And I just said, man, they need a playmaker on offense. They need somebody that can take the pressure off one of these quarterbacks and catch a slant and go. Right, be nice. I think that's what DK can do.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I-I-I could. I don't think that would be a shock. Like, Drew Lock was somewhere there.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I could see them being, I think Jay Gruden would like either Kyler Murray or Drew Locke. I have no inside info, but I was around the guy a lot, almost every day for five years straight. I think that's their more cup of tea rather than a Dwayne Haskins or a Daniel Jones. If I'm, Washington, just why we're on this subject,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] 15, take DK Metcalf, second round pick, trade it for Josh Rosen, and now you got your guy. No, I don't think anybody's gonna give away a first round pick for Josh Rosen when everyone believes they're taking Kyler Murray.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Best corner in the draft, again, 6-2, ran 4-3, not a lot of people like that out there in football or in the world in general. The Giants have a real need at the corner position. There's really no proven commodity they have at corner other than Janoris Jenkins. They are really


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, you know, kind of in Strugglesville, the rest of that conversation. So, hey, we're edge guys in the conversation. Did I think about that a little bit? Certainly. Safety. You know, Jonathan Abram from Mississippi State, that crossed my mind.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] To a degree, but I think when all said and done, this made the most sense to me for what the New York Giants need. You know, I had Brian Burns going off the board at 16 to the Carolina Panthers. Maybe they would fancy a guy like that. Uh, but no, greedy Williams to me is a pretty special player. And I think he has a chance to be like one of those Island type corners in the NFL.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's really interesting, and I'm glad you brought it up before the show, and when you said it, I was like, you know what, yeaah, I read the same thing last week, or whatever it was, and thought that was interesting too. Now here's the first thing, he's going to the draft in Nashville. Somebody's already told him. Maybe multiple have told him, we're taking you. So he's very confident in going.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I think one, when things like that happen, to me sometimes you can be so much the slam dunk of the guy at your position that no one really wants to bring you in. And if all your character stuff


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We're good, he's the best corner, let's just chalk it up to that. And I think that's probably what happened with Greedy Williams. I know it is, it is pretty interesting that he didn't go one visit.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yep, uhm, so I guess Christian Wilkins, uh, I just look at him and go to Seattle Seahawks.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know, I think this is what they're doing. This is why they didn't want to re-sign Frank Clark. They're trying to build this team again.