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[Assistant] I do have that, yeaah. I'ma have to throw that on for tomorrow. I'm doing weird things with these mics now, they're moving in all kinds of ways.


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[Assistant] Cargill Foods has launched one of the largest meat recalls in U.S. history. It covers 36 million pounds of ground turkey.


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[Assistant] He put a piece of paper on my desk. It said, I've come to revoke my American citizenship. I have applied for Soviet citizenship. He also volunteered the information that he'd been, while in the Marines, he'd been a radar technician. And, uh, that,


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[Assistant] When he became a Soviet citizen, he intended to offer.


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[Assistant] Uh, to the Soviet authorities, everything that he had learned.


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[Assistant] I don't think they were the happiest family in the world. They had a lot of quarrels all the time and even some fights.


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[Assistant] But there's some fire. We're talking about our government here. No, we're talking about a crime bill, pure and simple.


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[Assistant] He said that he would call when he got a job. And he did in fact call in early May.


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[Assistant] And, uh, talked to Marina, said he'd gotten a job, that he had a place for them to stay.


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[Assistant] Marina was elated, very happy as she hung up the phone and


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[Assistant] Picked up Junie and said, Papa Nuss Lubit, father loves us. And then we...


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[Assistant] When they first went into the apartment, he really wanted her to be pleased, and she wasn't that pleased, and I felt his hurt in that.


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[Assistant] Soon after Lee came back to Texas, uh,


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[Assistant] It was perhaps a week later, I was having coffee with Marina at a neighbor's house and we were talking about the fact that Lee hadn't been able to get a job and he was looking for work and needed work.


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[Assistant] And another neighbor there said that her brother worked at the Texas Schoolbook Depository and she thought that they were still hiring people.


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[Assistant] So I called the Schoolbook Depository to see whether there might be an opening there.


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[Assistant] He came out each weekend. He and Marina did, uh,


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[Assistant] ...argue a good bit and I was somewhat impatient with him.


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[Assistant] And I dialed the number, asked for Lee Oswald and was told, no, Lee Oswald lives here. And so I checked, is this the number? Yes, it was. And I really hung up in confusion and told Marina what had happened. Then the next day when Lee called, uh, as he normally did in the evening after work,


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[Assistant] She hung up, she was very distressed, uh, said that he was using an assumed name and he's...


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[Assistant] And, uh, she was very worried about him, worried about his mental state as I understood it from her.


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[Assistant] Thursday, which was the night before the assassination, I came home from grocery shopping and Lee was, uh, outside in the yard.


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[Assistant] I was surprised because it was the only time he came without asking.


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[Assistant] I went into the garage and the light was on, which surprised me.


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[Assistant] I knew Marina was pretty careful turning the light out when she went in the garage for anything. Uhm, I hadn't been in the garage, so I assumed that Lee had been in there and forgotten to turn the light out.


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[Assistant] About, uh, three o'clock in the morning, I move just a little bit and it's such unbearable pain. And I pull the covers back. My right leg is about two to three times the normal size. It's like a balloon about to pop.


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[Assistant] And my fiance freaked out. And I'm literally just screaming out and she says, what do you want me to do? And I said, just get ready and get to the car. It's the most excruciating pain I've ever had in my life.


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[Assistant] And when she pulled on the syringe, uh, just filled with like meat, a meat type substance, and she says something's seriously not right here.


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[Assistant] And it happens to be my regular doctor. And he says, do you realize you have salmonella poisoning?


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[Assistant] She said, did you consume both? And I said, I didn't consume both. And she said, well, what happened to the other pack? And I said, it's in my freezer.


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[Assistant] I want you think very carefully.


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[Assistant] Six years old. Strange eh? Where are they? Such a waste. All of this, it's such a waste.


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[Assistant] In that case, uh, you deserve ten birthday tickles.


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[Assistant] Yolanda says it's his way of maintaining some sort of control.


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[Assistant] This matters. You being here. I just need to make sure that things are different.


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[Assistant] You missed all the fun. The kids were playing vigilante. Imitating that guy they keep talking about on TV.


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[Assistant] Remember when you and mom were both sick as dogs but dad insisted his boy was gonna have his birthday cake? That thing was an abomination. All burnt and lopsided. That was dad in a nutshell.


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[Assistant] He did a lot of ugly things, but it was always about family. Listen to me, I'm rambling.


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[Assistant] Oh really? No no no, don't let me interrupt you.


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[Assistant] Who is this? You think blogging caller ID will hide you?


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[Assistant] But Jackson is my world and I will keep you away in a second before I let him get hurt.


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[Assistant] Oh god. And since I've been gone, what did you do to get me out?


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[Assistant] There used to be an ice cream shop near here. A hundred and one flavors.


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[Assistant] Everything I know is in Chicago. It's my home.


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[Assistant] And now we just... start again?


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[Assistant] No more promises, Aiden. Where are we going?


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[Assistant] Remember when we were kids? And I would.


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[Assistant] Follow you. And you'd try and get away from me. Stupid me, I kept trying. I didn't like your cars or hockey. And your friends were gross.


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[Assistant] We're leaving now, say goodbye to your uncle Aiden.


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[Assistant] Are you coming with us? No. Your uncle's staying here.


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[Assistant] And now back to Conversation Cart Blanche, here again, Bill Slatter.


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[Assistant] We needed a face-to-face for this. You wanted that Psycho Sister Max?


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[Assistant] This is powerful. Just don't be stupid. You screw around and you get hurt.


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[Assistant] Uh, I can't help you. I'm gonna go. We'll talk later, right? After you're done. Shh, shh, shh.


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[Assistant] That's why I wanted to see you. Dead sex says that someone else has the system hacked. I took it, and I gave it to you.


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[Assistant] This is a secure site. By design, it's not traceable, unhackable.


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[Assistant] I didn't get much. The upload was cut off.


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[Assistant] Of course not. Of course. I'm not saying that. But he's playing you.


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[Assistant] He's way off the grid. No one's heard of him in over a year.


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[Assistant] I'm happy you're well. Wanna tell me what happened?


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[Assistant] It's my recollection that at the time of Oswald's presence in Mexico City, there was something wrong with some of the cameras that we were using. We were trying to fix it. But the fact remains that there are no photographs of Lee Harvey Oswald taken while he was in Mexico City at that time, and I can't explain 100% why not.


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[Assistant] That's fine for Winscott to say, but he has no evidence to demonstrate it. And he couldn't produce the photograph, so what is he talking about?


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[Assistant] Just under the normal course of business, that after the tapes had been transcribed and the material was put on paper, then the tapes were routinely erased and used again.


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[Assistant] Well, as stacked as the AFC is, I think you'd have to bet not. I don't think that's the case, but I think you'd have to bet that they wouldn't make it.


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[Assistant] They could be 6 and 11, they could be 11 and 6. I don't think either one would really be that surprise.


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[Assistant] DTR, actually the second half, I'm curious to see, you know, this is the...


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[Assistant] Backup quarterback of the future. Right. Allegedly. And, you know, Kelamon is going to get the start tonight, but mine more than likely is not going to be on this team going forward. Probably not. It's going to be, you know, obviously Deshaun, Dobbs, and DT, and, uh, Dorian.


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[Assistant] I wanna see him, you know, he's got a similar skill set to Deshaun, that's kinda why they took him. And I guess just overall, like, even though it's not gonna be the starting offense and Deshaun out there, there's still gonna be, I believe, it's gonna be the offense, it's gonna be that offense, it's gonna be a lot of pre-snap motion, it's gonna be a lot of rollouts, it's gonna be,


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[Assistant] You know, some different formations of what we've seen before. So even though it's not the players that you're going to see this year, I do think you're going to at least be able to get a little bit of a glimpse of what this offense is going to look like because they're going to be running those same plays.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, to your point, you'd like to see these guys get on the field and make a first down catch and move the chains. Make a big third down catch. We haven't seen that from Anthony Schwartz or David Bell or any of these other younger receivers.


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[Assistant] He doesn't have burning speed. That's the one thing that holds him back. But you don't have to. He's so big. Yeaah. And he has such a great catch radius. I saw him make a couple catches in West Virginia that were like, I think he's the biggest receiver on the team.


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[Assistant] I would actually like to see, uh, Tillman on Martin Emerson on a route. That'd be a lot of fun. Yeaah. Those are two big, long dudes. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was just thinking about him. I'm not sure because there's such an injury concern. Do you really want to run him out here? But he has got to play. Yeah, he's fighting for a job.


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[Assistant] performance when he moved to the middle for the Browns. I think Anthony Walker is better. He's just a better football player. But for Takitaki, where he was playing to the level he went to when he moved to the middle, 100%, he was much better.


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[Assistant] You know, all that, but uhm, at this point, you know, you're trying to win football games right now. Give me Anthony Walker in the middle. But Taki Taki looked lost, looked like his days in Cleveland were numbered down the OZ, frankly. And when he moved to the middle, he was, he was better.


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[Assistant] This is a big year for him. Yeaah. It's sort of a make or break year. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] And, you know, he can be a missile back there. It just seems when you limit his responsibilities and you...


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[Assistant] Simplify his role, he can take off. It's when you make him stand there and think and process more often is when things seem to break down.


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[Assistant] It's been a long time! I'm trying to think of a- I think in the 80s somebody was inducted. Oh, Ozzy!


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[Assistant] What year did he go in? I don't know. That actually would have been the 90s that he went in, I think. Let's see.


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[Assistant] And I think he was working in Baltimore at the time when he went in.


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[Assistant] I think I originally, the first thing about Joe that stuck out to me was on draft day when he went fishing with his dad. And I thought like,


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[Assistant] This cat's a little different. And that was their routine. Like that's what they did. They went fishing. And so that's what he did. He went fishing during the NFL draft. And that has always stuck with me. That when he was drafted by the Browns in the first round, he wasn't in New York. He wasn't in the green room. He wasn't on the podium. Nope. He was on a boat with his dad fishing. That was pretty cool. Yea, it was.


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[Assistant] Zach Jackson just posted a story today on Betonio being the next Hall of Famer. It's a little bit harder for guards than it is tattles.


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[Assistant] No, no, of course not. Betonio I think is the nearest to the end of his career, therefore he would be the first. That's kind of why I said him too. Yea, obviously Miles and Chubb, we've talked about it before, it's pitiful that the Browns could have three Hall of Famers and can't do anything with it.


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[Assistant] No, you're not being reasonable. And that's fine. Like, look who's in your division. Right. There's no shame in being fourth.


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[Assistant] When you're up against two guys that are probably going to Hall of Fame. Right. And another who's already been to a Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] He does yell at the refs. They don't catch it, but he does. He does get on the refs.


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[Assistant] That's fair. This would be a good question for Aditi in 20 minutes.


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[Assistant] Callahan's presence actually I think hurt him a little bit in free agency. It was the injuries in Callahan because it was sort of like the Callahan cheat code. Remember we were talking like he was going to get a monster contract. It never came. No. I think it was the injuries and the fact that they looked at that and said well that's the Callahan effect and we don't have Bill Callahan here so we're not going to make this big offer. Ethan wanted to come here.


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[Assistant] I'm not sure he's making this team. I think he's too small to play guard, so.


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[Assistant] He may go from starting center last year to cut this year. I don't know. Maybe there's a spot for him. Uh, but.


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[Assistant] He envelops your entire, like I feel like a child standing. He's just, he's massive. And massively important to what they do, obviously.


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[Assistant] And particularly you mentioned Teller in the run game, you know, these guys are just bowl rushing, uh, guards and centers and really getting off the ball. And I think that there is a little bit of a question on the right side with Conklin.


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[Assistant] Teller didn't have the year that he wanted to have. And he was hurt again. I think they, these guys know, like this could be it for them. One more bad year and they could be gone. Uh, so for Posick, yeah, I mean, I,


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[Assistant] I think he's probably, he probably could be a little bit higher, but I don't think they have him.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they have coaches, uh, I don't know if you have GM owners or anything like that.


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[Assistant] But that's probably, that's probably about right for him, I think. Maybe a couple spots low, but not too bad.


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[Assistant] Harris, Forbes, Michael Dunn, uh, one or two of those guys are going to make it and one is not.


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[Assistant] I actually didn't know that by the way. I didn't know that.


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[Assistant] I think he'd probably be more of a practice squad guy. I could be wrong.


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[Assistant] Honestly, I think we're too early to know. Like, we just haven't seen enough. Yeah, there's a lot of... It's too... Like, this is... The Hall of Fame game...


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[Assistant] It's like when it's warm in March and you think spring's here, and it's really not, the Hall of Fame game has thrown off the timing of this to where we are so, so, so early in this still, that it's really just hard to say. Especially with linemen, there could be injuries in camp. Right, especially with brown linemen.


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[Assistant] Here, here's a story from a month ago. Colt's owner and philanthropist in the lead. Colt's owner and philanthropist, Jim Ursay, said he is still working on bringing the orca whale. Toquete? Toquete?


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[Assistant] Back to the Salish Salish the, I'm butchering these names. Who cares? And he's personally helping to fund the effort.


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[Assistant] Is this good for the animal? We will get it done. I would imagine, they're not trying to kill him!


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[Assistant] We, uh, we will get it done and we're trying to get it done sooner than later or say so on the Pat McAfee show. Again, this is last month.


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[Assistant] He can catch passes out of the backfield. And he can block. Yeaah, but McCaffrey is the best in the league at it.


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[Assistant] But, so here's the problem. There was a funny thing on the internet about, you know, a fake conversation where Erse looks at Taylor and says, I can't trade you, you're too valuable. And he says, then pay me. And he says, no. Right.


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[Assistant] Like, that's kind of where they're at is, no, we can't lose you. You're too valuable to what we do and we wouldn't get enough in return for trading you. Well then, pay me. Well no. Why not?


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[Assistant] I think Jonathan Taylor is better than Cooke. Is he? Yes. He got less miles on him. He's 24 years old. But to your point.


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[Assistant] Darren, holla at us, man. What's the Chiefs gonna do? It would be hard to trade him now because what's your avenues to replace him if you're the Colts?


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[Assistant] He's, I told you, he's crazier than vintage Dan. Like when Dan- Really? Oh yeaah. Crazier than that? Oh yeaah. Wow. Oh yeaah. I mean, he hasn't written a letter. No. But. But.


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[Assistant] He was at the Sun Valley Conference for billionaires when all, when all that went down. And the Cavs didn't have any contact with LeBron in the days leading up to that, but they had family, I think I was told it was Gloria was sort of the conduit between.


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[Assistant] Somebody's got that. He's probably got that in a safe. Somebody's got that.


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[Assistant] That's a dad. Like, my first thought was, I can't, being a dad, I can't imagine that as, as him. And I don't, I mean, I don't know where he was. Was he, was LeBron in LA at the time? Was he in Miami? Was he halfway across? Who knows where he was?


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[Assistant] A health episode, and maybe, and I, I had, maybe he was in LA at the time. I have no idea. I don't keep up with him that closely anymore. But just to help his feeling.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I took him off Tweet Alert the day I left the Cavsbeat.


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[Assistant] Hmm. Alright, I change my mind. I'll take Harbaugh. You can just fucking do it.


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[Assistant] What, uh, what's a successful season this year for the Browns? Does it have to be playoffs or everybody gets blown out of the building or what in your mind is a successful year?


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[Assistant] in those three years and I just don't know. I don't know if he's going to come out on the other side of all this, the same guy he was before in terms of his quarterback play on the field. And that's, I'm not saying he's not going to be great. I'm just saying I'm pretty confident he can be a good NFL quarterback, certainly better than anything they've had before. I'm not convinced yet that he's going to be back to the level that he was. That's all.


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[Assistant] Alright, so no, no, no. So this is the only thing how it started. So as everyone knows, now I was driving home from West Virginia watching quarterback and so I could watch the whole series. And the one thing that stuck out to me was Kirk Cousins saying he takes Tuesdays off.


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[Assistant] And I thought that was kind of interesting of like, he's not in the building. The quarterback of the team is not in the building on Tuesdays.


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[Assistant] And so I just threw it out in the, in our group text. I just said, I, you know, one thing that stuck out to me was that. And you're like, it's probably why I can't win.


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[Assistant] So I just, and so I poked around, uh, with a couple players, and was like, hey, what do you think?


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[Assistant] No one really had a problem with it. And they said a lot. It's, it's, it's common.


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[Assistant] Especially among quarterbacks with families. Yeaah. That they are, they take Tuesdays off.


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[Assistant] It's not really an install day or anything. Really you get the game plan for on Wednesday. Wednesday is really the first install day. Yeah. And it's like Joe Thomas took Tuesdays off. Betonio takes Tuesdays off. Like a lot of veterans that aren't quarterbacks, that's their off day. But a quarterback, because I was Joe


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[Assistant] I do think that family situation has a lot to do with it. Burrow single.


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[Assistant] But it sounds like Cousins takes the whole day off.


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[Assistant] Well, and the point I think that Mike and I both made is like, he could move in and live there. He's gotten the absolute most out of his ability. He's just not as good.


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[Assistant] What are you really accomplishing? Like what are you really getting done? But I just think it's this whole you have to prove that you're working harder than everybody else. At some point it becomes information overload. There's only so much you can do. Go home and have dinner with your kids.


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[Assistant] I missed my kid's birthday four years in a row because he had the audacity to be born during the NBA Finals.


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[Assistant] So, I missed his birthday. I missed AJ's birthday, four years in a row.


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[Assistant] I miss Christmas. Four years in a row. I've stayed home for one.


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[Assistant] Alright, you- One o'clock. Are you into that? No, I'm sitting here. It's 12.50.


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[Assistant] Okay, alright. I mean, listen, I don't want to be disrespectful to Jim Brown, obviously, but no, I'm not covering that. I got a couple things to do this afternoon before I head down to the game with him.


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[Assistant] They still may come up with something. They'll probably put something on the field. Maybe something at the 32 yard line or something.


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[Assistant] They could do something on the uniform. There's a lot of options.


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[Assistant] Hit a ball once in a while. Agree! Like if you want to be pissed off, be pissed off at yourself because you suck.


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[Assistant] Every move they made was the correct move. Every move. In this last week, in this last week. Moving on from Rosario, trading Savali at the peak of his value.


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[Assistant] All three of those were the correct move.


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[Assistant] Uh, most of Jose's- Jose does speak a fair amount of English. Of course he does. But he goes through translators. Right, cause he's more comfortable. And that's- and that's-


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[Assistant] Six minutes left. It's hard sometimes, like the fabric of the clubhouse, the nice thing about what we can do is we can just sidle up to a guy and just have a random conversation with him. A very informal, how do you feel, where are things at.


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[Assistant] They tried, they tried with scraps. They tried with, with mid-level, Josh Bell is a mid-level free agent. And Zanino is a scrap. Mid-level? Yea, 16 and a half million is mid-level. That's not a lead. Alright, fair. But it's not a scrap. A mid-level and a scrap. Yea. That's where they live. That's where they're always going to operate.


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[Assistant] How much is he going to get in free agency this winter? 25 million?


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah. Well, at the time, at the time, it was a big contract. The Ramirez contract is what? 10 years later?


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[Assistant] A lot of teams, and a lot of times it comes down to your stadium deal. Baseball is completely different than NFL and NBA. NFL and NBA, they make so much money off their television deals that the location of the city doesn't matter. That's why the NBA can put teams in Memphis and Oklahoma City and Vancouver back, whatever.


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[Assistant] The market size doesn't matter because the television contracts are so massive everybody's making money. That's not the case in baseball where they rely heavily on their television contracts.


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[Assistant] Now what is it you have to do to throw in balls? Work, grandma! I got work!


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[Assistant] The 2019 LA Galaxy season is gonna kick off with a huge ceremony honoring their greatest ever player, David Beckham. To celebrate his career with the Galaxy, the team has built a brand new statue of David which they'll unveil for the first time right here at this stadium in front of 25,000 people. Now David's a good friend of mine.


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[Assistant] And when I heard that he hasn't seen the fully finished statue yet, I thought it might be fun to switch out the real statue with one that we made a little less flattering.


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[Assistant] After two months of gruelling work, we brought the statue to the stadium for a private unveiling for David. The statue is finished and here it is right here in all its glory.


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[Assistant] The best way to insult a Man United legend is to get his team wrong and we're going to do just that.


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[Assistant] This is LA Galaxy President Chris Klein, a former teammate of David's and someone he really trusts.


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[Assistant] Now it's time to send in the actor playing our sculptor, comedian Marz Gibrani. David met with the real sculptor three months ago in Chicago, so let's hope he doesn't realise it's not the same guy.


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[Assistant] He's just asked for all the cameras to go off. The LA Galaxy cameras that we're using. He's so angry.


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[Assistant] And Tippett's patrol car pulls to the curb and either calls him over to the curb or the man comes over by himself and leans to the window and talks to Tippett through the vent window for 10 or 20 seconds, very short. And Tippett gets out of the patrol car and as he does, the man steps over to the front of the hood here and as Tippett gets opposite him, he pulls a gun from under the jacket, fires three shots across the hood, knocking Tippett to the pavement.


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[Assistant] And the man starts to leave, hesitates at the back of the car, walks around behind the car, comes up to the front of the car, stands over Tippett, and shoots him in the head.


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[Assistant] Ultimately he came and he ducked behind this building, which used to be a Texaco service station. In 1963, this was a parking lot, and they found a jack-o'-lantern under this car.


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[Assistant] And mind you, he's all kinds of cranky. No appreciation for artists. Artists my arse. Drunk.


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[Assistant] You think I'm in this dust ball because of the, uh, ambiance?


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[Assistant] Well, hell. I think I like you. But it don't make us friends.


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[Assistant] What it was was uhm, San Diego cast homie, we really didn't have the industry to lean on, you know what I'm saying? So, just the direction that the Baycast was coming from with the independent aspect of it is what made us gravitate a lot towards the Bay. See in LA, LA artists from outside looking in,


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[Assistant] They had superstars, you know what I'm saying? And it's hard to be dope amongst Dre's and Snoop's and all that. But when you're in these other back cities, you got a little bit more action being an independent artist. And so therefore where an LA artist might be like, you know, he ain't gotta have a million dollar video.


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[Assistant] So a lot of artists like Foti. Foti is like, I know this, like, like a sugar free.


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[Assistant] So you know, that's where the bae, that's where the bae thing come from. And then, me being able to just go to the bae, like in the bae, it ain't a joke. You go to the bae homie.


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[Assistant] You touch down, you let them know you in the bay before the day is over. You got 10 songs with 10 of the crackin'est bay artists. It's a little different in other places. You know what I'm saying? The bay is with it. They wide open. You know what I'm saying? You can come and do your thing and they embrace you. They embrace me straight up. I started going to the bay in 99 homie. I shot a movie up there with some of the homies called,


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[Assistant] Get Paid Entertainment. I don't know if y'all know, but the homie Juice, he locked up right now. He caught a little situation in Seattle, but shout out to my brother, man. He had Get Paid Entertainment and he invited me up there. Shout out to my brother, Rest In Peace, Janky.


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[Assistant] Like getting together and getting out of our own backyard with the music scene, you know. Jank was shooting a movie for Get Paid Entertainment. And this one day, man, I met everybody from the Bay, like everybody from the whole yea was in the movie. From the My Figures to Yuck Mouth.


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[Assistant] There. All of the invitations are gone now for a while, eh?


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[Assistant] I can't believe it, we're getting married in two weeks. You know.


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[Assistant] Four U.S. Navy sailors were relentlessly questioned about a brutal crime.


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[Assistant] One by one, eventually, they all confessed.


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[Assistant] Based on these confessions, the jury found them guilty.


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[Assistant] July 1997. The Naval Station in Norfolk, Virginia.


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[Assistant] A sailor, William Bosco had just returned from sea.


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[Assistant] Eager to see his new wife, he rushed home to this apartment complex.


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[Assistant] What he found inside horrified him. He ran next door to his neighbor Daniel Williams.


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[Assistant] Where Michelle Moore Bosco had been brutally raped and murdered.


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[Assistant] Tameka Taylor, a young woman who lived in the complex, had only known Michelle for a month. She pointed to the next door neighbor.


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[Assistant] At the time of the murder, Daniel Williams was 25 and a machinist's mate in the Navy.


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[Assistant] He and his wife Nicole had thought they were expecting a child when they found out to their dismay that she was suffering from ovarian cancer. His parents were visiting them from Michigan.


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[Assistant] Williams left the apartment and drove himself to the police station.


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[Assistant] Overnight, Detective Evans received the autopsy report. Michelle was not hit with a shoe or anything else. She was stabbed and strangled.


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[Assistant] The detective rushed back to Daniel to question him some more.


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[Assistant] Daniel got the message and amended his confession.


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[Assistant] Daniel was charged with rape and murder less than 24 hours after the body was discovered.


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[Assistant] Daniel Williams never used his right to ask for a lawyer.


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[Assistant] By the time Daniel realized what he had done, it was too late.


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[Assistant] The case was closed and weeks went by. Detective Maureen Evans left the force for another job. Detective Ford was dealing with other cases. Then four months later, startling news. The results of Daniel's DNA were back.


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[Assistant] And they did not match the semen left at the crime scene.


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[Assistant] They kept the DNA results secret and went looking for Daniel's accomplice.


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[Assistant] They picked his roommate, a fellow sailor on the USS Saipan. His name was Joe Dick Jr.


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[Assistant] Family members say he was a shy and sensitive kid, raised in a working class neighborhood in Baltimore, protected by loving parents. Joe Dick was socially awkward. He had struggled both in school and in the Navy. He had always been a loner.


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[Assistant] He would become the most important witness in the case. Six months after the murder.


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[Assistant] Naval security turned Joe over to the Norfolk police.


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[Assistant] The results of this polygraph test have never been released.


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[Assistant] Then Ford showed Joe a photograph of the dead victim.


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[Assistant] It also fed him information that only the perpetrator would have known. After hours of interrogation, he finally told them, he said, what they wanted to hear.


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[Assistant] confident that the DNA would eventually prove them right.


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[Assistant] Fasinaro, a veteran Navy lawyer, said he was willing to represent their son for $22,000, a bargain for a complex death penalty trial. They left to take a mortgage out on their home, leaving their son's case in Fasinaro's hands.


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[Assistant] Whatever he thought, Fasinero's biggest problem was Joe Dick's confession.


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[Assistant] A problem shared by Daniel Williams' court-appointed lawyer, Danny Shipley.


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[Assistant] He advised them to urge Joe to tell the truth and name others who were involved.


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[Assistant] Joe tried hard to protect his plea by giving the prosecution what he thought they wanted to hear.


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[Assistant] One of Joe's statements involved a young Navy man, a friend of the wife of Daniel Williams, named Eric Wilson.


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[Assistant] Fascinero gave Joe mixed signals. Joe could tell all the stories he wanted, but he had to tell the truth.


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[Assistant] Often, the attorney didn't accompany Joe to his sessions with Ford or the prosecution.


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[Assistant] After months in jail, depressed and confused, Joe began to believe the police theories.


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[Assistant] Joe's growing belief in his guilt would prove crucial for the case.


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[Assistant] Then, two months after his arrest, Eric Wilson's DNA came back negative.


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[Assistant] So Detective Ford went back to Joe to ask for new names. As usual, Joe complied.


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[Assistant] But the description and resulting police sketch looked somewhat like Derek Tice.


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[Assistant] He was arrested in Florida and taken to Norfolk, Virginia for questioning.


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[Assistant] A few hours into the interrogation, Derek, like the others, was given a polygraph test, the results of which, again, have never been released.


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[Assistant] Derrick told the investigator that he had decided to stop talking unless he could see a lawyer.


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[Assistant] What he wanted to hear. After 11 hours he signed a confession.


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[Assistant] Alan Zalesky was Derek's court-appointed lawyer. He has practiced criminal law for 40 years.


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[Assistant] To help us understand what it was like to be confronted by Ford and the threat of death, Derek said he'd try to show what the interrogation was like.


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[Assistant] The confession, Derek said, was carefully crafted.


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[Assistant] Since Joe Dick said in one of his statements that Derek was involved in the crime with two unknown men, Derek now had to identify them.


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[Assistant] Then, with Polly and Ferris, there were six. And there was still no DNA match. So the police went back to Derek.


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[Assistant] Ford seemed interested in a former Navy man named John Dancer.


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[Assistant] The day of the crime happened to have been his birthday.


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[Assistant] Detective Ford would not talk to us, despite repeated requests. But in a deposition in 2006, he made the following statement.


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[Assistant] The prosecutor, DJ Hanson, also refused to give an interview on camera.


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[Assistant] But in 2001, he appeared on a TV program called Medical Detectives about the case, expressing full confidence in the work of the police.


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[Assistant] In a part of the interview which never aired, Hanson revealed his thoughts about the growing pool of defendants.


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[Assistant] Dancer's case marked a turning point for Derrick. He recanted his confession.


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[Assistant] As for Derek himself, he would have to go to trial where he would now face the death penalty. Then an unexpected turn.


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[Assistant] A woman gave the police a letter which her daughter-in-law had received from a man in prison. It was an angry love letter. It was also a threatening one. You wanted to know how I really felt about you. And I told you. You never even wrote back. Ain't no forgiving you. You thought you knew me. You don't. Nobody knows me.


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[Assistant] His name was Omar Abdul Ballard. The letter ended with a stunning admission that he, Ballard, killed Michelle Bosco.


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[Assistant] You remember that night I went to mommy's house and the next morning Michelle got killed? Guess who did that? Me. Ha ha.


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[Assistant] Ballard had been in prison for two years after viciously beating a woman in the same apartment complex where Michelle was murdered.


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[Assistant] He also raped a 14 year old girl less than a mile away.


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[Assistant] Ballard grew up in foster homes in New Jersey, a tough kid in a tough neighborhood. In Norfolk, he joined up with an old friend, Tamika Taylor.


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[Assistant] That friend of Michelle Moore Bosco at the apartment complex.


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[Assistant] Ballard's DNA, which had been stored since his arrest a year and a half before, was quickly analyzed. It was a match.


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[Assistant] Ballard confessed almost immediately and said he had acted alone.


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[Assistant] And that's what happened. The state was undeterred.


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[Assistant] Eric Wilson would be the first of the accused to go to trial.


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[Assistant] But by now the prosecution had a new theory involving eight people.


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[Assistant] And Omar Ballard, who the prosecution believed was part of what was now a gang rape, in spite of his claim that he'd acted alone.


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[Assistant] The new prosecution theory was an even more complicated conspiracy.


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[Assistant] That by chance, Ballard had met the seven defendants in the parking lot of the building complex and decided to join them in the crime.


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[Assistant] The judge informed the jury that Ballard's DNA matched the semen found in the victim, and that he claimed to have acted alone. The key witness for the prosecution was Joe Dick.


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[Assistant] Having agreed to cooperate, his testimony had to support the prosecution's newest theory of the eight perpetrators.


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[Assistant] Eric Wilson's defense lawyer, Greg McCormick, tried to emphasize the absurdity of this version of events.


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[Assistant] Joe described the crime of eight men raping and stabbing the victim.


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[Assistant] Joe remembers being torn inside by his testimony.


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[Assistant] Joe's testimony and record of confessions were distressingly graphic and detailed.


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[Assistant] Eric's lawyer implied that Joe's testimony stemmed from his fear of the death penalty.


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[Assistant] He claimed that his confession was false and was extracted by Detective Ford, who was, he said, very aggressive, very threatening, very angry.


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[Assistant] A prosecutor asked Eric if he would confess to killing someone if it weren't true.


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[Assistant] It shattered when his audiotaped confession was played in open court to a riveted jury.


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[Assistant] Eight months after Eric's verdict, Derek went to his trial.


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[Assistant] He was found guilty and sentenced to life in prison. His jury too couldn't get over the confession.


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[Assistant] Daniel and Joe decided not to face a jury and took a plea of life without parole. Daniel because he was afraid of the death penalty. Joe because he had come to believe he was guilty. The confessions doomed them all.


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[Assistant] No one doubted that what they were hearing was the absolute truth.


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[Assistant] The one confession no one believed was Omar Ballard's. That he had acted alone.


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[Assistant] Ballard agreed to talk to us by phone from prison where he is serving a life sentence.


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[Assistant] He avoided the death penalty by cutting a deal with the prosecution, agreeing to say that he committed the crime with the four original sailors.


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[Assistant] He also told us that he was not surprised that the man had confessed.


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[Assistant] Thirteen years after the murder, he wanted us to know the truth, he said, which he stands by.


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[Assistant] By 2001, Daniel, Joe, Eric, and Derek had become known as the Norfolk Four. Their case started to attract national attention.


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[Assistant] Three major law firms signed on as pro bono advocates.


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[Assistant] The following spring, they submitted a detailed clemency petition to Virginia Governor Mark Warner, who passed it to his successor, Tim Kaine.


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[Assistant] Governor Kaine took three and a half years to reach a decision, which he announced shortly before leaving office.


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[Assistant] The confessions, he said, were too overwhelming to ignore.


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[Assistant] But in the end, he said, he also had grave doubts about their guilt.


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[Assistant] So he granted the three still in prison conditional pardons.


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[Assistant] If there was anyone who understood what their life would be like, it was Eric. He'd been released four years before.


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[Assistant] Three years ago, he met Misty. They got married. They love each other, but they struggle.


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[Assistant] Every year Eric has to register as a sex offender.


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[Assistant] They live in a rundown trailer that belongs to Misty's family. They have almost no friends left.


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[Assistant] They have a two-year-old child, and Misty has a seven-year-old from a previous relationship, Garrett.


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[Assistant] It has been nine months since their release. Joe Dick is still wrestling with what happened.


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[Assistant] To meet with the appeal lawyers who helped to free the Norfolk Four. It will be their first time together since their arrests.


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[Assistant] Joe arrives at the meeting first. He had briefly met Derek and Daniel recently.


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[Assistant] But he hasn't seen Eric since he testified against him at the trial.


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[Assistant] The lawyers want to update the men on their legal status and the next stages of the fight.


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[Assistant] Then some startling news that broke a few days before back in Norfolk.


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[Assistant] Detective Robert Glenn Ford had been indicted for extorting money from defendants in exchange for getting them favorable treatment. He has pled not guilty.


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[Assistant] They have moved back to their parents, trying to put their lives together, finding solace mainly at home.


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[Assistant] Nicole Williams, Daniel's wife, died while he was in prison.


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[Assistant] Derrick Tice won his petition to have his conviction overturned, but the Attorney General of Virginia has appealed it. The cases for the other three men are still pending.


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[Assistant] Retired detective Robert Glenn Ford was found guilty in October 2010 on two of four extortion charges. He will be sentenced in February 2011.


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[Assistant] We knew all along that our CTOS network would be a target for hackers of all strengths and skills.


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[Assistant] Our firewall security withheld the worst of the attacks and in some cases, trip switches closed the systems off before any access could be gained.


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[Assistant] In a world where we want to spend more time with loved ones.


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[Assistant] Thanks to you, CTOS Network has had a successful year. With CTOS Chicago setting the standard, we are proud to announce an expansion into other major cities across the country and around the world.


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[Assistant] Look for CTOS 2.0 in the new year. CTOS, the future at the touch of a button.


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[Assistant] You don't even have one battle scar on your leg.


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[Assistant] If you had, okay, say you were dating, this could be for male or female, but really I'm talking to the males. If you were out dating, right, and you meet a woman or women, you meet a guy.


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[Assistant] They meet you and then they ultimately make the decision that hey, I'm going to be, I'm going to be celibate with you.


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[Assistant] That's not, that's not true. It's not about, it's not about, everything is not about sex.


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[Assistant] I wonder, it's like a study that came out that said like, I think it said, I think 12% of men that's between, that's 30 and under are celibate or abstinent or virgins.


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[Assistant] So Noah set the guard, ain't pitching over there?


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[Assistant] Which, y'all probably don't know him personally, but WD was like the ultimate leader. He was a vocal guy.


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[Assistant] Always tell you exactly how things should go, call up the team, can speak in front of the team, articulates really well and gets everybody on the same page but also knows how to have fun post practice. So it was just a really good dude and when they traded him for Calvin Pryor, man, it just, you could tell that things was just different.


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[Assistant] I mean, you're asking Christian Kirk, who everybody loved Kirkko. Kirkko was really good here, but.


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[Assistant] In football you got 53 plus 10 or whatever it is, 12 on the practice squad, so you're essentially talking 65, 66 guys. Uhm, baseball is not that many. Uhm, and once you let one of those guys go, they're, they are more closer than a football team because you interact with these guys.


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[Assistant] Well, that's the thing. They always protect their future. Like I said, they're the only team in Cleveland that protects their future. They're always gonna get the prospects and always have somebody that's gonna develop and become something later on. Problem is, once they become something, they're not gonna pay them and they're gonna end up moving on from them.


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[Assistant] You, as a, as a player, I'd be like, I need something now. Right. You know, like Jose, like I just took a deal for you. I need something now.


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[Assistant] Yes, they better be. Yes, they will be. I don't know. 82 and 80. I mean it's a two, it's a 82 and 80. It's really a two team race and I'm going yes.


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[Assistant] Allegedly, allegedly. So what, our four pitches is Gavin, Sindagard, Alan.


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[Assistant] Slow down. So what had, so what happened? Like did they change the coaches?


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[Assistant] I've had the same phone service for 20 years. Wait, what do you use? Like, what subscription?


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[Assistant] The way he got 18, 19 home runs on the season, I take that.


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[Assistant] Well, since we're talking about all the quarterbacks in AFC North, I'll just talk about Kenneth Pickett. What is your thoughts on him? You know, they, they went out and got Allen Robinson. You know, he turned a lot of heads last year towards the end of the season. You know, can they be a playoff team with him at the quarterback position?


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[Assistant] Are you saying can you win the Super Bowl with Justin Fields if that's the question?


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[Assistant] Listen, LeBar is a, he can be dangerous. If that passing thing really works, it's gonna be a long season for him.


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[Assistant] You got a chance to win a Super Bowl tonight. Let me ask you this. Would you say that the Browns have given Deshaun everything he's needed to be a top five quarterback?


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[Assistant] That's on him. That happens every week. There's somebody just streaking down the floor.


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[Assistant] Otherwise he can't be great. He has to be the guy that they kind of hate. Like the teams, he get up and he do the dances and all of that stuff. That's just passion. That's how he shows his passion and he didn't have that last year. So let me ask you this. Is there a way


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[Assistant] Not saying that this will happen, because there's no way that this will happen. Deshaun's gonna have an excellent season. But, is there a way that if Deshaun doesn't perform, that Kevin Stefanski does not get fired?


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[Assistant] Wait a minute. Cause I got to say this. I got to say this. I've been on social media. Okay. And I've been just reading reviews and reading responses about how great Elijah Moore is.


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[Assistant] To the point that I see somebody say that he is like Debo Samuel. They using him like a Debo Samuel.


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[Assistant] And I'm just, I'ma just tell you right now, if he is that good, and he has that type of season, then there, the Browns better not even be talking about not being in the playoffs. That's first of all.


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[Assistant] He's got to prove it. He's got to prove it. That man's going to be a huge deal in the red zone. I'm going to have to prove it. Yes. Yes. That's, that's all.


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[Assistant] They need him to be a huge part of this offense and I think this offense goes. If he doesn't perform this season, then the Browns is going to be kind of handicapped.


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[Assistant] No, no, where at though? Slide outside? I don't even know.


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[Assistant] So I don't even give a shit. I hate him. I hate him. I don't care. He said I hate him. I'm trying to build on it. I don't care where. What does that have to do with anything, Tyvis? I lied. Because a lot of plays is a scheme for the X. Yeah. And if Garrett Wilson's the X. So? He's the number one guy. So take it back to like. But the year before. Wait a minute, hold on.


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[Assistant] Alright, let me talk. So listen, you know how when you play high school football, right, and you play quarterback, and your boy is at wide receiver, it's like alright, I'ma look for my boy, cause he's the best player on the team, okay?


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[Assistant] He could be double team, but if I believe it, I'm gonna get him the ball.


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[Assistant] I gotta see it. I gotta see it all. I would bet on Elijah Moore to get the most targets out of everybody on the team. More than Cooper? Yes.


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[Assistant] You know why? Because he lines up in the backfield, they throw him the ball out of the backfield in the red zone, he's going to play running back. It's a mismatch on linebackers. Like yeaah, I would definitely see him getting a lot of targets.


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[Assistant] Cause when I went on with the mini camp, I told you, he lined up in the backfield. They like kinda took Nick Chubb out in the red zone and they put him in the backfield, which is a huge mismatch.


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[Assistant] No they wasn't saying that. Oh yeaah. You comparing apples to oranges with that.


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[Assistant] That's two totally different wide receiver styles. I think they didn't want, the reason they didn't want De'Andre Hopkins is because he requires a ton of targets a game, and it would take the targets, it would take the ball more out of Nick Chubb hands, it would take it away from Elijah Moore, it would take it away from Amari Coop.


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[Assistant] Well see that's the thing, when I watch practice clips, like I take into account


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[Assistant] What it looks like. Is it a game rep? Is it half speed? Like I, that's what I look at. But even if it's a game rep, it's not a real game. No, them game reps mean a lot. Like when they, when Elijah Moore and Denzel went one-on-ones on the goal line, that's a game rep. But Elijah Moore knows he's not getting hit.


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[Assistant] Well, I'll tell you, I was watching the clip of Elijah Moore as I was on my way up here today. Yeah. And he caught like a, he caught like a little swing pass and they was like, Oh my God, he looks unbelievable. And I'm just like.


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[Assistant] Well, I think, I think Elijah Moore is a really good player. I think he'll have a great season. I just...


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[Assistant] I'm not getting, I don't know because I didn't get the ball. I think he said something like that, like I don't know what happened because I didn't get the ball or something like that. I think the Browns are catering to him and keeping him happy by making him be like kind of the focal point in the passing game.


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[Assistant] But I think that this offense has featured a little bit around what Elijah Moore can do and they're gonna feature him by giving him the ball in the slide, having him do the motion thing in the backfield and throwing him swing passes. I think he'll get the ball in his hands more. And I think that's what's keeping him satisfied.


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[Assistant] Well let me ask you this. So you know how Jason would say that it's a lot of the times wide receivers are open but we just didn't have a quarterback to give them the ball? I think that's what he's saying. Elijah Moore is saying.


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[Assistant] I haven't been, obviously I haven't been the defensive, I haven't seen training camp practice. You have!


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[Assistant] How was the defense when you was there? Because, I mean, we see a bunch of offensive clips in Greenbrier.


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[Assistant] He had ups and downs. He never played a full game last year. Like it was, he had moments in the game.


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[Assistant] I remember like the Chargers game. He started off the Chargers game, lights out. I mean he was making plays and then by the end of the Chargers game, Mike Williams was dunking on him. So, it was stuff like that. He never put together a complete game.


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[Assistant] And like I said, I talked to Denzel when I went to a mini camp and I seen him, we had a conversation about it and Denzel is locked in.


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[Assistant] Well, the good thing about this is, he will be tested. Very often. If they come out in 11 Personnel, he will be the one that they go after.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, but he ain't going in the slot though. Now Denzel might, he will take some reps in the slot.


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[Assistant] But see, they look at it differently because you don't know, so I'ma tell you.


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[Assistant] Playing in the slot and playing outside is two totally different worlds. I'ma tell you that, right? I know it sounds stupid, but being in here and being out there is two totally different feelings. You got a lot more help here.


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[Assistant] Put it to you this way, if they come out, they come out in 11 personnel and it's center, guard, tackle, tight end, okay? He won't be on that side, he'll be on the slot side, so say he's on the slot side.


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[Assistant] Tackle, guard, center. If they run the ball, we in the wide nine, they run the ball and they go up the B gap, meaning they go between the tackle and the guard. And the linebacker gets eaten up. He coming off and making this tackle. I don't care what he tells you. He 1000% is coming from that slot and he better come make that. If not, 88 not the gate.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. No, you gotta, see, no, my coach in college told me, you gotta stand, you need to stand behind the receivers or the quarterbacks, you need to see what's coming. Oh, that's where he was standing? Yeaah, you gotta sit behind the offense, cause usually the D.C. sits behind the safety and the... Right.


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[Assistant] Back there. Or they sit on the sideline. And so Short stands behind the quarterback? You gotta sit behind, yea, you gotta stand behind them all. Fascinating. Cause you need to see what everybody, so you can see their eyes, you can pick a person, look at their eyes and look at their technique. So if they come to you and be like, you'd be like, why did you look at the quarterback?


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[Assistant] Which is tough, you know. Position coach, you can hone in on your guys.


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[Assistant] As a DC, you gotta look at the flow of the line, make sure that everybody got the line right. Then you gotta look at the linebackers and see and make sure that they got their reason, they flowing where they need to go.


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[Assistant] I'm like, K.K. Richards did. Chris Rashard, he played, he was the defensive coordinator in Seattle.


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[Assistant] And I was like, Kay Ridge, like when you, as a DC, what are you looking at? He said, I gotta look at the flow. He said, so I'm looking at the flow of the line and then I take my eyes back to the linebackers. He said, it's just like, it's all in sync. You can just tell by the synch-ness. You'll see it real quick, what you need to see. Boom. Then you take it and see what you need to see. Then you see where, if they, if they roll the coverage correctly. Wow.


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[Assistant] So yeaah. Right. You don't have John Johnson who's productive in the box playing post safety, something that he's not really used to. Right. What you do, you go get a true post safety who's made plays, who's on the Super Bowl team making plays in the post. You even see clips of him making plays in the post this year.


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[Assistant] So what that does is build the confidence for everybody else. Like, I know I got a true post safety. Last year, I had to be a little skeptical. Maybe I can't, I can't sit on this dig route because if he gets behind me, it's gone.


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[Assistant] But if he's going to be truly a man to man guy, which is something that he is, he's a true man to man press corner, now he's catering to his strength.


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[Assistant] So I now will see this secondary get to do everything that they want to do and they'll have that ability to make those plays, but.


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[Assistant] I think, I knew Martin Emerson was going to be a good player when they drafted him because he led the SEC and PBU's past breakups. And what that tells me is he knows how to play the football. So many times.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, so many times that corners get out there and they either get beat off the line or that ball go up in the air and they get nervous. A lot of the time, it's like 80% of the time the DBS see that ball go up and they get nervous because it's like, oh my god, I gotta make a play on the ball.


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[Assistant] But he, if he leads the league, or he led the SEC and PBUs, that means when the ball goes up, he's calm. He knows that, hey, I'ma make the play, I got great ball skills, I can either knock it down, make it, or try to pick it up. So, that, that could


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's the new wave. You know who started that? No. Richard Kevin.


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[Assistant] He's uh, he's pondering, uh, the undisputed thing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because it's so many times that plan and that post you get, you get and...


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[Assistant] You get, uh, anxious, you want to make the play, and it takes a true post safety to sit back there and know, like, I can't jump those things. Because, like I say, you see, you see, for example, we'll talk about the game one against Carolina, and I don't know if it was,


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[Assistant] If he went 10 yards and went out, boom, then he stays over here and the corner stays with his and he takes the post. Anyways, they both jump it, which is, even if they did that, you should be fine because you have a post safety that's standing there anyway.


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[Assistant] You get nervous, you get, uh, anxious and want to look at other stuff, you're not truly in the post, what do they run? A post! You should be standing right there, you should be stealing!


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[Assistant] But if you ain't in your spot, you ain't doing what you're supposed to do, boom, it's a touchdown. So if you got a true post safety that knows that he got to keep his nose clean, stay out of it.


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[Assistant] You need to make the play. And Juan Thornhill's a proven guy that if I'm not worried about coverage getting busted, if a coverage gets busted,


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[Assistant] I'm not, I don't, I don't think, I ain't gonna say it cause I said it last year and I was wrong. I don't think that I'll be seeing a guy just running completely just by himself. If he's truly in the post, at least somebody would be there to try to stop him.


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[Assistant] The D-Tackles? Yeah, the D-Tackles. Oh yeah. Well, because, because I, it's, to me, the scheme ain't that much different than what Joe Woods did. You know, you still need your defensive tackles to take up two. You know, you still need these guys to keep the linebackers clean. And if,


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[Assistant] Like, Dalvin Tomlinson, okay, that's fine. You know, maybe he does, maybe he don't. I know a lot of, uh, a major report came out and said he's one of the most overrated signings of the offseason. Whatever. But if the other guy, if they still getting blown off the ball, or if they can't keep them linebackers jerseys clean,


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[Assistant] The thing with EECA is, if they run it, okay, so


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[Assistant] I don't think we'll see a lot of zone. When I say zone...


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[Assistant] I mean that the running backs, that's when they run the stretch play, and the running backs gonna take it as far as he can, create some lanes, let people over pursue it, and then boom, he gets vertical. Cut back, yeaah. Well, with the wide nine, that's dead. Because the D in should be outside. So there's no way that you getting outside this D in. So boom, he gotta cut it back immediately.


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[Assistant] Which means that the linebackers in the defensive tackle should be there.


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[Assistant] If that defense attacker don't keep that linebacker clean and they get to that next level, that guard pushes up and goes to that next level and get that linebacker, it's out of


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[Assistant] It should be, has been around. Listen, he's been around the program. I don't know if he's officially taking it or whatever the case may be. Is it official? Is it public or?


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[Assistant] I don't know what, I don't know, but he's been around the program, so as much as Daquale and J.O.K. ain't better this year, I'm holding Daquale Jackson responsible for everything he said on this show.


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[Assistant] It looks like there is one spot. We'll find out in 20, no more than 24 hours tomorrow.


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[Assistant] We'll see, we'll see who's in high regard, cause that uh, whoever jogs out there with their first team, like that speaks for themselves.


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[Assistant] Everybody I talked to, if I asked them if they could have the first pick of the draft, who would they take? And it's been a consensus, Justin Jeffress.


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[Assistant] But you do worry about injuries. They need Dewan to step up, which I'll be watching him. I'll be watching all my- Speaking of a large human being. I'll be watching all my- Dewan!


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[Assistant] Is that true? You know what? I'm about to make a bold take here. It has nothing to do with anything, but I'm going to say it anyways. I think CJ Stroud is going to have the best NFL career out of Ohio State quarterbacks to this point.


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[Assistant] He's five, he's shorter than me. Let's not get nuts. Let's not get nuts. You need to cut that out.


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[Assistant] Did y'all never have women that wouldn't date y'all because of your height? No. I got so much rizz.


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[Assistant] My god. My final take today, which I have not done in a long time and I'm gonna make it up as I go, but it has to do with the Cleveland Browns and particularly the rookie class.


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[Assistant] So it's a lot of, especially my Buckeye brothers, I mean it's a lot of undrafted guys there, you know, like I said Ronnie Hickman, Tanner McAllister, you got Luke Whippler who went late in the draft, who everybody said he made a mistake, but that's neither here nor there. Listen.


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[Assistant] You know, you're getting blessed with an opportunity to play this game and I, you better take it so seriously, especially the undrafted guys. You know, they trying to phase out the kickoff game and stuff like that. But guess what? Guess what they could do in the preseason? Oh, they gonna return them balls because


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[Assistant] Make sure you solidify yourself and make sure you stay. Don't let this moment come and pass you by because I promise you, it's not going to come as many times as you think. This might be your only opportunity. This might be your only game in the NFL. And if that's the case, you better go out like Tony Montana and go out shooting.


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[Assistant] Make sure you have fun, enjoy, make sure you are prepared because proper preparation prevents poor performance every single time. And when you get that opportunity, make sure you let your light shine.


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[Assistant] Oh my god, y'all gotta check your phone. This man, listen, put the camera on me, Steve, put the camera on me. Do this. Hold on, look, put the camera on me.


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[Assistant] Listen, listen D'Quel. Who do you think you're talking to, alright? I ain't ashamed. Listen, I ain't ashamed to show my hair a lot, baby, because I got some topics in my hair, so it'll look good. You just mad because I'm still holding on and you have let go of the rope, okay?


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[Assistant] Oh my god. Suicide Squad.


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[Assistant] Shen. He has always been my tutor first, and my father second.


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[Assistant] My accursed birth and the death of my mother were hard for him.


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[Assistant] Every lifetime has one moment.


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[Assistant] You stand alone and you see it all so clearly. To save my father's life I betray his whole reason for living. I know it's death I'm holding now.


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[Assistant] The sword does have power. I can feel it. In fact, I'm counting on it.


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[Assistant] There was a time when I cared what the clan thought about me. But that time has passed.


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[Assistant] When I found Kai, I hoped that she would come to know a different world. One not born of battle and bloodshed.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean, I don't know, I don't want the girls to miss a job, you know, because they didn't answer the phone.


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[Assistant] I get calls at five in the morning, somebody's sick. I get calls from companies like, you know, six in the morning, somebody didn't show up.


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[Assistant] You know, and also I get calls from Europe and Asia sometimes and they don't think about the time difference that they call, but I always, we're famous for always answering the phone.


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[Assistant] And we only take usually about 30 girls.


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[Assistant] And so I'm not gonna deal with like a ton of girls. Right. Uhm, and the girls know it so they know we can drop them anytime. Right. We're, you know.


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[Assistant] Uh, I did it before, but, but, and we've only had three girls ever miss a shoot.


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[Assistant] And, uh, then a guy from France brought a girl and said, at the AVN said, uhm, hey, can you help her get work? And I knew everybody. So I took her around, she got jobs and she sent her friends and, you know, that's how it started.


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[Assistant] Well, one of the best ones was Apple Computer. When the stock market crashed in 1987, the day of the crash went from like $56 a share to $29.38.


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[Assistant] Back then, there was no, you know, now they call them day traders. Back then there was no electronic buying or selling.


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[Assistant] So back then you had to actually get a broker on the phone when the market crash took like a couple days. Right. But when it crashed, Apple computer had $36 a share in the bank.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, no debt, you know, a lot of assets, even if they close the next day, everybody's freaking out. I would have made a profit.


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[Assistant] But I bought a bunch of Apple computers then, but I bought stuff before that, I retired.


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[Assistant] Years before that, but that's the biggest money maker. So you're retired by what age? 22.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm not going to lie. I'm responsible. I remember the first in the eighties, I've been around the first year I was around his business in 1985 and there was a porn star named Holly body and I went to her house and there was cigarette butts on the floor and food and this and that. And I think it's pretty much a point, you know, they make a lot of money. They don't care.


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[Assistant] To produce like to put up the money for shoots and I shot three movies with him and then I realized like really the camera guy was the guy shooting the movies this guy was kind of a hack and


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[Assistant] And I put up money for him and for, I was producing them. And then I did almost like a hundred features and this guy came from France with this really.


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[Assistant] Hot girl. And asked me if I could help her get work. And like I said, I knew everybody. I took her around.


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[Assistant] She made a lot of money, she sent her friends, I helped them out, like for the first couple years I was doing it for free, and then they were sending more, and then it got to be like a lot of work.


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[Assistant] Uh, a guy that I had gotten into business before I said, hey, you know, I'm going to start doing this. You want to do it with me? And he's like, okay, but he kept his regular job.


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[Assistant] And, uh, after a weekend to give it up because we only had like, it was called Top Maros first and, um,


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[Assistant] We had like 10, 12, I think 15 girls at the most at the time. Right. And uhm, so it wasn't, you know, it was like work but not overwhelming. Now, like I said, 30s about the most I could handle. How many employees do it?


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[Assistant] And uhm, yeaah, and also they, because they are, they get a lot of work. Our girls work more than anybody, they get paid more than anybody, but like a lot of these companies, Brazzers and


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[Assistant] Kink and whatever, they book our girls out of town a lot cause they know they will get on the plane, they'll show up, this and that, and if I, I tell the girls,


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[Assistant] You got three jobs with us. There's the fucking and sucking and then there's two tough ones. Don't make me look bad and don't give me shit to worry about.


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[Assistant] But serious, you know, if you see like some of these people, we like to be mmmm. But uhm, but a lot of the agents, I think a lot of them really get into it because they think there's going to be a fortune, you know, a ton of money, and it's really easy.


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[Assistant] For them it might be what they consider a ton of money and they don't have to, you know, a lot of them get shit wrong and this and that but if you get like some high growth people still gonna want to hire them.


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[Assistant] And, uh, he goes, oh, I'm going to call him and string it out. And I, and I called Brazos first and go, this guy's going to call you and string it out, but don't answer. They go, we don't talk to the guy on the phone. He's on a need to text basis because he fucks up so much. You know, they want it in black and white. But, um, the fact that we do, like, like I said, I double and triple check when the,


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[Assistant] Testing, you know, I tell the girls the day before they have to get tested. First of all, our girls.


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[Assistant] You know, we, so I gotta always make sure I got a good test and when I, I, you know, I,


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[Assistant] And I send it to them and make sure they get it. But if I get it like some of the bigger companies, I'll get it a few days before I send it to the girl. I'll also double check with her. I have a double check. You have tomorrow's info. I even double and triple, you know, and also the little details that matter. They need black heels for this.


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[Assistant] They want your nails French manicured. You forget that, you screw up a whole shoot.


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[Assistant] Like, like when she was living in my place, she, she lived in my building. She was like...


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[Assistant] So guys don't really, you know, they're not going to listen. They think they know everything after, I mean, some girls think they know everything after six months, but they come to realize they don't.


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[Assistant] You're gonna get sick, you're gonna get your BV, they're gonna get yeast infections, they'll also, you know, your immune system's down, you'll get...


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[Assistant] You know, though, though, you know, California differentiates uh, prostitution from porn.


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[Assistant] And a lot of girls, it irritates them. And uhm, they just, you know, don't want to work with them.


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[Assistant] That's fine with me as long as you know, they know. I mean, that's another thing is like if girls approach me, you know, uhm, and they've never shot porn before.


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[Assistant] The one guy that worked for me, George, a whole four hours a week.


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[Assistant] My employees don't call me. Once a night his job is to call me around nine or ten and go over all the shoots for the next day just to and then once in a while like if we get a new girl like Gia Durs or whatever that don't drive yet he'll have to drive.


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[Assistant] And freak out or whatever, so if they're brand new and they don't drive, George will take them.


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[Assistant] But, uh, but most of them also, even if they say no in the beginning, they're hanging out with all our girls who are talking about anal and douches and enemas and this and that and eventually to them it's like, ehh, I don't know why I thought it was a big deal and they end up doing it anyway.


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[Assistant] Look for your career. And, uh, back then, Rob Black, they just had people do really weird, crazy stuff. That's not good for you. So, but that's not a particular male talent. There is, um, you know, there's like a couple that creep the girls out a little.


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[Assistant] Some of these other age where you're banned from working with our girls but I tell people they want to book this one particular guy with our girls if he doesn't show up if he shows up with a bad test.


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[Assistant] I mean, I, like I said, I'm an economist, I took statistics. According to the people that said that there's like 16 agents, which I don't think there is, but also if you say 1 in 16 times, 1 in 5 times, it's 1 in 1.048 million, but uhm, but also when you do statistics,


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[Assistant] We try to get the better girls in the better shoots the ones that are kind of being shot for the awards and showcases and this and that.


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[Assistant] No, and like I said, because of the fact that, you know, I don't need the money and the girls know and they will show up on time, like, if, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, uh, Wicked or, or I don't know, some big companies doing a feature movie that they want to have for the awards. They'll tend to hire our girls because they're well known, but they also,


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[Assistant] We'll hire them because they know that will show up you know when we have a feature and usually our girls are the first


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[Assistant] And then I replaced it in a movie. But, you know, the companies appreciate the dedication.


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[Assistant] I swear, yeaah. I mean, I'm glad that we're kinda at the top of the field.


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[Assistant] Three decades ago, Frontline told the story of a Pennsylvania community divided over abortion.


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[Assistant] Now we return to examine a conflict that has only escalated.


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[Assistant] I'm not sure what my other option would be, but if this wasn't an option, then I know I would be struggling.


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[Assistant] If I wasn't, I would be at home, you know, trying to stress out, trying to figure out what my next move is or what my next plan is. So it is a relief. Because I was stressed out before I walked in this door this morning.


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[Assistant] The destruction of any life is a definite affront to God.


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[Assistant] So when an abortion takes place and an innocent life that has not done any harm to anybody is destroyed,


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[Assistant] I believe that that is one of the greatest sadnesses of God, but it pleases the devil.


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[Assistant] It used to be that people tried to be present on the killing days. The days when the surgical abortions were known to happen in the abortion centers. But RU-486 pill has completely changed the landscape of abortion and


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[Assistant] It really necessitates that somebody is present outside of these abortion centers every single day, every hour that they are open.


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[Assistant] It's so nice to see at the end of the road those moms are so grateful and uhm, so happy that they chose to reverse.


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[Assistant] Tell me about your involvement with, uh, Exotic Pop before we even get too into this, cause we are probably the biggest distributor, or the biggest sales of, uh, or the sales point for Exotic Pop in California, but I guess you guys are reppin' that hard out there too.


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[Assistant] Oh, okay. That's what's up. Yeah, I had no idea that a lot of the Houston legends are wrapped up with Exotic Pop when we started selling it and then fucking I saw Paul Wall repost me with the case out there and I'm like, oh shit, and you walked in with it. I'm like, oh, it's really going down.


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[Assistant] You got moon rocks in that blunt? Yeaah. It smells like it.


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[Assistant] And I can see with the dark ass, oh yeaah, that thing is burning. Yeaah, I'm having the time of my life.


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[Assistant] Is the moon rocks for you kind of a California thing, or are you smoking those when you're back home too?


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[Assistant] Occasionally. That's futuristic level shit. Whenever I see people taking dabs, I just, you're getting too high. I don't need to be that high. Me neither. I'm high enough off the backwood, no problem.


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[Assistant] Definitely. So, uh, okay, let's just like go all the way back to your early days. So you were actually born in, uh, in Houston?


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[Assistant] Okay, so you're a lifelong ambassador, and you still live within the city limits?


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[Assistant] Right. What was, uh, tell us a little bit about your upbringing and just what it was like for you as a young boy before you even got in the rap game or anything.


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[Assistant] Music. Those are the two primary focal points? Correct. Definitely. Uhm, so was the battle rap thing a real serious thing for you? Because when they try to like, summarize your career, they're like, oh, at first he was a battle rap legend. Like, how far did you actually go with that? How'd you get into that?


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[Assistant] I remember, probably like the gnarliest thing I ever seen in a battle online was I seen a girl pull out a picture of the other girl that she was battling in bed.


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[Assistant] She had this super bummy ass bed and you could just tell that it hurt her feelings real bad when it came out because you're just looking at this bed like holy fuck that really is. That's a flagrant thing to pull out here right now. You ever been over somebody's house and it's got a disgusting room?


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[Assistant] Yeaah. It says a lot if you live like that. It does. Myself, I had a girlfriend for like three years, so now I'm like completely embedded with the cleanliness aspect, where I never really was before to be honest. My bed was always on the floor for a long ass time.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, I get it. Put the bed back on the ground. Fuck it.


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[Assistant] How deep do you get into the battle thing before you sort of transition into being more of an established rapper?


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[Assistant] It sounds like it would just be so difficult to come to any kind of conclusion about who won and like actually handing over the money. That shit get complicated quite often.


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[Assistant] Right, because I've seen it where dudes will show up with a fucking army of twenty dudes with them and the dudes are all hooting and hollering, like booing and really like trying to skew the results and make it seem like one person is getting booed, like one person is doing horrible, but really they're just surrounded by so many people that they're kind of trying to drown out the actual results.


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[Assistant] Yeah. When did you, did you make like a conscious decision at a certain point to be like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna leave all that shit behind and I'm gonna get more into this like real rap thing or did it just sort of slowly happen to you?


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[Assistant] You were one of those young dudes who was just super tapped in and had all these connections early on.


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[Assistant] People like me, you're the type of person that made somebody like me when I was a young person feel kind of insecure because I was looking at like, listening to the radio and watching videos and just being like, how the fuck are all these dudes so cool? They're like the same age as me. I ain't got shit going on. I understand, man.


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[Assistant] And nobody ever really falls off until they really stop paying attention to the culture. That's my opinion. Is that like, you know, when somebody just becomes too cool to really give a fuck about what's going on in rap, I think that's when it starts to slow down. But you always hear that about even the legends who are the most ducked off, the people you never hear from.


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[Assistant] You always end up hearing that those are dudes who are really paying close attention to the culture and what's going on.


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[Assistant] Was, was Screw the first person that you met of any like real significance who wanted to work with you or whatever or was that, at what point did you meet him and how did that change things?


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[Assistant] Oh, for real? Yeah, okay. That makes sense then. Uhm.


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[Assistant] Okay, but so, tell me about the first time that you actually met Screw, because he was super enthusiastic about you from super early on, correct?


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[Assistant] You always just have like an insane level of energy, because when you're describing all these different pastimes you had, it just seems like, wow, that sounds like the lives of like ten different people combined.


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[Assistant] Because you already kind of accomplished what you really were trying to do with your life years ago. A gold album. I just wanted one. Okay.


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[Assistant] Is it? And once you get that thing you're going for, it can be kind of a weird moment in your life because then you're like, well now I gotta figure out some new goals.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you occurred in, you seem like you're the type of person who was very much studying the game. So you kind of had a whole lot of, uh, of games sort of embedded in you when, even when you were real young. Correct. You have been paying attention.


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[Assistant] What was your thought process on Screw before you actually got in with him? Like did you, were you, was he established enough and did you understand how legendary he was? Oh yea, he was like a god to us.


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[Assistant] A level of growing up that took place in a sense because there's all these insane stories about him and the drugs and just the long studio sessions and everything. You being so young, was that something that was a little bit new to you or were you already experienced enough that this didn't take you by surprise?


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[Assistant] Right. When you were hanging out with Screw, when you were doing that first tape, were you drinking lean? Were you partying to the extent that he was?


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? Selling tapes out the house, right? Just a couple dollars at a time.


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[Assistant] So after, so how did you get your first record deal after that screw thing? Like how far apart were those incidents?


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[Assistant] Okay, so you were putting out a bunch of stuff independently and just hustling out of the trunk, that type of thing?


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[Assistant] But so was he, or so, okay, you do all that and then you start to get labels attention?


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[Assistant] National star or were you still sort of in the mind state of just doing your thing on a, on a more local Texas level? Because you can, you can fully stay in that environment and be a star in that level. And especially at that time, people weren't necessarily looking at stuff from down south as stuff that could blow up on a huge level, right?


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[Assistant] But that's interesting to hear you say like that is like the main thing that your creativity tends to go towards.


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[Assistant] Mine? Yeah, the EDM type stuff. Is that like really like that's sort of your passion at this moment or where you think that progression is taking place?


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[Assistant] In terms of like what a live performance could be. Correct. Sometimes, I mean let's just be real, sometimes rap just doesn't really translate as well to the live experience. Like we've all seen great rappers who realistically weren't really putting on that great a show and maybe the show is still dope because the audience is so into it. Right.


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[Assistant] But without the audience, they're barely moving and they're not really getting into it and there's not really a whole lot going on.


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[Assistant] Were you sorta out to, did you feel like you were kinda trying to disprove that assumption about the South? That y'all weren't like, serious rappers?


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[Assistant] Definitely. It was weird how that assumption about the South has kinda gone away over the years because like I was just listening to this whole podcast about Megan Thee Stallion the other day and talking about how her mom was this rapper and how her mom like influenced her so much to be real serious about her lyricism and stuff and I don't think at any point during that conversation anybody was like,


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[Assistant] Washed away to the point that that's not an assumption that anybody's making, I don't think.


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[Assistant] Oh, you still see it in the comments? I guess you're privy to different types of bullshit out there.


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[Assistant] I don't tolerate that shit. Right. Like on your Instagram, it's kind of like, how are you coming into my area right here?