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[Assistant] Paul, try to cross my face and see if you can really cross it at the speed you want to. We already did it in the office, right? I don't need to use a whole lot of force to slow you down. And this is bright lights, the field is opened up to design this one on one in the middle. So the referee only has this to look at. The referee is right under the goal post, he is looking right at it.


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[Assistant] That is where it was called. It was called holding, not pass interference. Right. Not only does he do it right here, but as he does get by him, he then hooks him again with his left arm and right arm.


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[Assistant] Right, I think that's one of the, because I don't think even in the telecast, everything was happening so fast. I think Collins Earth and Company were also amazed at like, woah, there is a penalty finally. And that became the theme, and I think most of the people watching on TV didn't realize defense holding was called, not pass interference.


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[Assistant] I had no problem with the bang bang knockdown at the end either. Even though he got there a little early, it's alright, Rubin's racing, I get that. But, if we're gonna start letting teams get to the end of the game, I'm so glad they started to call penalties here.


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[Assistant] Okay? Because if we're gonna get to the end of important games and just go, the defense is gonna go, I'm gonna hold every f***ing play and I just don't think they'll call it, then we're gonna have issues. You gotta hold them to the letter of the law to a degree. And see, to me, this was getting to a point here where it was the end and the Bengals were going, I don't think they'll call it every play. We just got away with it two plays in a row.


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[Assistant] I think that they're, yeah, not that they're coached to grab like this, but I think they know in these situations and the way the game has been called, that they're going, wait, I think I can get away with it a little bit. You know, here's a tough one. Again, it goes back to our zone conversation.


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[Assistant] Yes, Stafford's gonna throw the ball to him when he sees a middle linebacker covering one of the best receivers in football.


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[Assistant] Now get back and do it at the Cooper Cup. He used his body weight, his strength, and everything to help himself get back into play. So there's that call, alright? We're not done yet, right? We're not done. Keep it going. We're not done because now here's the next play. They don't call this. This is the next play.


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[Assistant] This is the play that ends up being the touchdown to Cooper Cup because he regains his balance and then they call the unnecessary roughness hit to Von Bell to his head and it was also the right holding on Havenstein at right tackle.


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[Assistant] So here we got, again, Bangos fans and the Bangos Univores, or anybody who bet on the Bangos, they all think they got screwed over by one play, and I'm going, no, no, no, you're wrong. I'm saying it all equaled out. It equaled out. If anything, the Rams are getting screwed over here. Okay?


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[Assistant] Holding. Tackling. I mean, a legal assault on a receiver. And it wasn't called. Alright, so there we have that, and then let alone we know we're gonna have the one on the little sprint out option that puts him at the one before he throws the touchdown. So, uh, again, that's where I just want everybody to calm down with that a little bit.


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[Assistant] Keep it real here. You know, I mean, yea, it was Jaylen Ramsey. Did he grab T. Higgins on that, you know, the, the, the first field goal drive by the Bengals? Yes, he did.


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[Assistant] What I'd like to call it, absolutely. Absolutely. I'm, I'm, I'm not trying to give excuses to LA or anything like that, but I am trying to say is, let's not overreact on one play. The Bengals...


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[Assistant] They got away with a lot, even what I've shown you there. And I could show you another two or three plays in the second half where I'd go, Van Jefferson had one of those slot fades down the right sideline early in the fourth quarter.


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[Assistant] He tried to catch it with one hand. Well, the damn guy was holding his left hand. He had no chance, right? That's not called. Again, so, that's where, don't everybody just be so reactionary just to one thing. Let's look at all, digest at all, context does matter.


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[Assistant] I think specifically what I like is, you know, was aggressive, didn't let the interceptions bother him, continued to hang in the pocket, you know, oh he hurt his ankle too, you know, even the Cooper Cup no look throw, he's got a guy about to hit him in the chest and he still throws it, he never buckles under the pressure.


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[Assistant] You know, Matesom, to your point, what you said earlier, there was four or five throws in the game that were high level.


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[Assistant] N-really never made a- I didn't come through the game going, he made bad decisions. No, he didn't. The Skornik Interception to start the third quarter. It's on the receiver. Well, the receiver, and another instance we- I should have took a- He got held. I would love to- I should have shown that. Damn it, I forgot.


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[Assistant] But there's another one where I go bangles, you got an interception because you held the guy too. Right. Right. So that wasn't a bad decision though. No. You know, so you say that he threw the one in the back corner in the end. He just didn't throw it far. He was trying to go one on one shot. I'll start in 14. Right. Yeah. And then it didn't hurt their team. Right. Right. So I just think it was a gritty, tough,


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[Assistant] Clutch performance, and one of the clutches drives I've ever seen, especially when you go, man they had a hard time moving the ball. Both drives in the second half that led to points were tough and earned.


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[Assistant] Which was very tough, and it wasn't easy, and they were under man. I look at that, first off, Stafford has always been clutch. He has. He's just been on a shitty team. So it hasn't resulted always in, you know, a ton of wins. But some of those years they went to the playoffs, I go, they're not in the playoffs without Matthew Stafford.


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[Assistant] They're not even in the playoff picture in the years where everyone goes, well f***, they missed the playoffs again because of Matthew Stafford. I go in and go, they were only at a chance because of Matthew Stafford. There were 7 and 9 and they should have been 4 and 12. But they were 7 and 9 because of Matt Stafford. So he's always had the clutch gene. I'm not ready to say Hall of Fame yet, but he has Hall of Fame potential.


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[Assistant] That's where I think McVeigh, and that's where when I was spending my day with the Rams, that I learned where McVeigh, I knew, McVeigh's got tremendous confidence in, in, in Stafford. And I think that's where the comment is like, he's got a lot of shit in his neck. You know, there's a lot of toughness and grit.


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[Assistant] And he's, he wants to give it to everybody even though he says the right things at the podium. Yeah. And then the one thing he said to me is,


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[Assistant] His ability to wipe the slate clean after mistakes, he's never seen anything like it. And that's why he's able to just continue to call the offense.


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[Assistant] He always, even when he does make a mistake, like McVeigh told me, the answers are right when he comes to the sideline. He saw everything the right way, just, I just did something stupid or, you know, or I didn't see that guy, you know, I thought I had this, whatever. But it's never like deer in the headlights. And to your point of what you're saying, to throw two interceptions in the Super Bowl,


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[Assistant] But, hawkstrologer, and I love hawks, okay, I don't know if it's a real hawk, or a sea hawk, or either way, but I like hawks, okay, I do, I like them all, alright. But, uhm,


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[Assistant] Did he fail? Did he miss some throws and fail to pull the trigger? Yes. We're going to get into that. Now we're, I'll give them a little leeway. It's hard when your ass is under fire the whole game. It's hard. It's hard to be patient in the pocket and see things the right way because again, you know, put yourself in his shoes, get the ball. It's look at a guy, get the ball. Look at a guy.


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[Assistant] And so, okay, now you get the ball, you look at the guy, and you're expecting, and you, oh wait, I gotta run, wait, my guy wasn't open, oh, oh wait, there's just, I am protected. It's hard to play that way, so I wanna make sure we got that. Now, the artful wanker, I also think makes a, what I would call honest assessment. You know, again, Joe Burrow's awesome.


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[Assistant] He's certainly a top five-ish quarterback in football. Do I think the hype is a little much this pro season? Yes, I do. You know, I, I do. The Titans game was good. Don't get me wrong. They won it. I know that.


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[Assistant] You know, but hey, Tannahill threw three interceptions and they got put in some good spots. His biggest play of the game was a one yard throw to Jamar Chase who ran 70 yards up the sideline. You know, the Chiefs game, again, I'm not saying bad.


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[Assistant] Their play to score to make 21-10, he just threw a screen to P Ryan and they ran up the right sideline for a long touchdown. He made some good throws, I'm not trying to, I'm just saying I think it was a little overblown. Okay. Alright, that's all I'm trying to say. I love Joe Burrow. I know you do. He's top five-ish.


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[Assistant] Do I think people put him a little much on the pedestal this off, this post season? Yes, I do. He's handsome, he's cool, I would do anything to be just like him and be him. Don't get me wrong. But I'm just saying the hype I think was a little much.


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[Assistant] This game, he played good. He didn't play great. Right. That's how I would explain it. It's just good. He's gonna look at some plays and go, damn, I'm Joe Burrow and I'm better than that. I should have done this or that here.


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[Assistant] The Rams were, they were over a lot of their stuff. I will say that, okay? The pressure was real, too.


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[Assistant] There's still a few plays where, you know, and we'll look at it here in a second, where I go, there's five or six throws where I still say, no, no, Joe, you, you missed it. You missed the throw, you know, or you, you moved the pocket and you shouldn't have. There was that. There's no doubt about it. Right. But I will say this. I was underwhelmed by both offensive game plans in this game.


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[Assistant] I can understand their side a little bit more. I still would have liked to have seen more from McVeigh & Company, you know.


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[Assistant] They did have the play to Darrell Henderson you talked about. They fake. He ran down the sideline. That was cool. But I can understand them going, wait, I think they're going to have a hard time matching up with us. We don't need to be too crazy here. All right. The Bengals on the other hand, the whole universe was going, wait, there's a problem on this matchup with the Bengals offense and the Ramsey offense.


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[Assistant] We knew there was a one spot where they were overly matched. Up front. Right. Like, no, everybody on earth.


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[Assistant] 4th and 1, young team showing it's youngness, in my opinion.


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[Assistant] Inexperience head coach, not the time to go for it here. I'm sorry. I know it's the, it's the numbers era. It's analytics. It's, the world's still telling me they should throw it. They should have gone for it. Alright, why?


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[Assistant] The Rams did nothing on the first drive, went three and out, punt the ball out, and pin them back in their own end zone. Let's go back to the top there, Matt. Sorry, I was ra- ra- raving. Alright, so what I want everybody to watch here, first off, is Higgins is gonna go in motion, and he's gonna run the flat route at the top of the screen, he's wide open, he should get the ball. First down, Bangos are still going.


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[Assistant] Alright, so that's the first thing we're gonna watch. Let's all just watch this and take it in. Alright, there goes Higgins. Boom.


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[Assistant] Joe, look out there, throw him the ball first down. Bangle's still got the ball, right? And they're going to probably get yards after the catch if he just slows them down and like throws it a little behind him to where he doesn't run out of bounds. He's going to run up the field for another bunch of yards because 33 is covering him man to man and ran into Jalen Ramsey. So it's first down. Okay, now rewind one more time. Now, second part of this play. Yeah, you can stop right there, Matty. The backs on the wrong side are running the wrong route.


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[Assistant] Unless they've designed a play that I've never seen in the history of my life, but I've never seen a flat route followed by another flat route. Okay, watch, now everybody watch the back this time around. The back is gonna run the same route T Higgins runs.


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[Assistant] Now unless they're inventing some play that I've never seen before, but I've never seen that play design in the history of football. And guess who broke up the pass?


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[Assistant] Even though Joe should have thrown to Higgins, Jamar Chase was open, but the guy covering the back who's running the wrong route, because he run the wrong route, puts Jones 50 in the way of the play. Awesome point. So to me, you have


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[Assistant] A coach making a bad decision on 4th down. A quarterback not reading the play out the right way and should have thrown to Higgins. And then, P. Rhyne.


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[Assistant] I'm guessing should either be running, should be on the other side of Joe Burrow and running the flat route to that side or


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[Assistant] With this particular play on this side, he should just run right to the middle, right to 50. Like a little check through, we would call it.


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[Assistant] Here he is, and what I want everybody to look at before we snap the ball here.


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[Assistant] He's running a play action pass. Look where he is. He's on the left hash. Alright?


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[Assistant] He is gonna take this ball and fake it to Joe Mixon, and for some reason float to the right to almost where he's on the right hash. So go ahead and let that play. And within doing that,


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[Assistant] He runs himself. He should not be moving here to the right. He moves himself right into Aaron Donald. So now he's going, oh shit, I got pressure. I got pressure. No, you really don't. You just moved into pressure. Look if he stayed on the hash.


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[Assistant] Where he should. Yeaah. Right? So now, he's thinking, oh I got pressure, and he throws the ball to Joe Mixon, for like a minus two yard gain. If he's on the hash, he's got a nice pocket. Exactly. If he's got a hash on the, and he just, maybe he's gonna have to make one step to his left.


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[Assistant] No, we don't have it. Let's just go back to the top and just see. I just want to see Jamar Chase up the top of the screen. He's going to run a crossing route. He's why I've showed you on film already. So you saw on it to verify my claim here, but as this watch Jamar Chase at the top of the screen.


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[Assistant] Jamar Chase is, he's wide open. The linebackers came up enough in the fake that they got enough separation. Look at Jamar Chase here at the top right of our screen here. You can see.


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[Assistant] It looks like he's running in the space. Well, you just have to trust me and Paul. He was open. He's going to catch the ball at the other 45 yard line with really nobody around him. And a game here with the Bengals offense is struggling. And really, if Joe doesn't float to the right,


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[Assistant] He's gonna hit Joe, Jamar Chase and they're gonna be in borderline field goal position to go up by a full seven points. Right. See, so there were some opportunities missed within the game. So subtle.


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[Assistant] Who knows what happens, it changes the game. Yea, there's a few plays in the game, there's a-


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[Assistant] There's a, uh, a comeback route in the third quarter that he throws to Jamar Chase and skips it on the right sideline. He's protected well.


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[Assistant] Joe Burrow hits it 99 out of 100 times. For some reason he tried to baby it and Jamar Chase couldn't get down and get his hands underneath it. I showed you that play in the office before we came out here too. Yes, there was some plays that


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[Assistant] And, what I'd like everybody to know is, the Bengals only had one drive the whole game. Their drive to make it 10. To go from 13-3.


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[Assistant] After you take that away, they really did nothing else in the football game.


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[Assistant] Right, well they got the, yeaah, that was the one, one, the other one, and the other one was the Jamar Chase, down the right sideline, Jalen Ramsey. Listen, the Rams put Jalen Ramsey in some tough spots, and he, he did not play his best. He did some good things still in this game, and he allowed, he allowed the


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[Assistant] In the second half, the Rams got in more creative alignments with their front. And what I mean by that is they got more fronts where it made it harder for the Bengals to double Aaron Donnell. In the first half, they played a little bit of the, hey, we think our four could just get there.


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[Assistant] And the four got around him, but it wasn't dominating the way they wanted to. But what they did here in the second half is a lot of these type of looks.


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[Assistant] Put a guy over the center. Might have been Gaines, might have, this one's a linebacker in Jones. But now the center can't bump out to the right and help 77, Adonisje, who's one-on-one with Aaron Donnell. So that's, to me, one of the big adjustments for Heme Moore, Steven's coordinator for the Rams, made in the second half. He found more ways to be a creative up front to free up


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[Assistant] They're whole unit. And now you can see there, I mean, Aaron Donnell, one on one, he just dominates him. Right. To where there's no chance. Burrow wants to throw the ball quickly to Boyd here. He does not have him. The Rams again, within


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[Assistant] Bangles played one of these, this is what we do and we're gonna do it. They, there was too many of these plays where it's like, look, they knew Boyd wanted to break inside. I mean, look, he was playing inside all the way.


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[Assistant] So there were so many players where I felt like they knew, and then when they got their fronts married up a little bit and figured out, okay, wait, this is what they're doing protection wise, and they cracked the code there, it was the creativity of the fronts.


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[Assistant] The legacy there, the smattering of five man rush, which I was a little skeptical about before the game. I'll be first to tell you.


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[Assistant] So they did that, and here, show this one more time, this part of it, Matt. And then they started stunting more. Like, look at the left side of the defensive line here. 91, uh, I think it's 45 on the side. They're gonna slant in. Jones, 50, is gonna wrap around behind them. Right? So they started doing more movement up front. And...


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[Assistant] That really to me was a big part of their success in the second half. And that's to me where I also get into, again, not to go back to it.


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[Assistant] But if they had a lead, and Odell was in the game, and then you get them into, oh shit, we're behind and we gotta throw. I mean, it could have got worse. That's where they got to be in a position of power where they didn't necessarily have to throw it as desperately as I thought they might have to at some points. But it was that adjustment.


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[Assistant] by Raheem Morris, I think. And there's a lot of different examples of how they did it, but that kind of sums it up as a whole.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, they get in the five man front, you don't know what, wait, all five are coming. Oh wait, you know, oh four came, one dropped out. Or it's a four man front, somebody blitzes and somebody else drops out, which we love all the time, right? It looks like a blitz, but it's really not, but it messed up your protection.


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[Assistant] Really? And in the first half, I think that's the thing I took away more than, they kind of just went, hey, here's our four.


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[Assistant] And just go upfield and get him. There wasn't even a ton of stunts or anything like that.


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[Assistant] I think when they realized, man, they're on to us and they found a way to double Donald in these ones, second half, that's when they got into looks like that, or if they did just the normal four down look, they were twisting and stunting, and the Bengals were having a hard time passing it off, or hey, the play Joe Burrow hurt his ankle on, they put Gaines over the center,


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[Assistant] Right? So now the center can't go any way. They put the other guys really wide. So now two linemen had to go out on the two other guys on each side. It was a five man rush again.


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[Assistant] And now you got two guys on two on the right, two on two on the left and they get to Joe Burrow there with Von Miller and everybody. So they, so they created the one-on-one matchups they wanted. All right. They got to that. And I think also too with the five man rush, why they smattered with a little bit like the fourth and one we saw Burrow, it was,


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[Assistant] Oh, oh wait, there's a lane? Boom, I'm just gonna take off and go. The five man rush clogged the lane up, so where Joe, a few times, I think thought like, man, I'll just try to run up, and it was like, oh shit, I can't get through there, I get sacked.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Aaron Donald getting the front, getting it done. I mean, first off, what Aaron Donald does, alright, and, and one other thing that, you know, just a talking point here, where Joe Burrow's gonna kick his self in the ass, is really two plays before this.


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[Assistant] They had a second and one, and you might remember this, he threw the fade to the right sideline to Jamar Chase and threw it out of bounds. He may as well have punted it.


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[Assistant] No doubt. It was a second of one, and it was really a very similar look to this defense, except down here at the bottom of the screen, it was Jamar Chase, but Jalen Ramsey was like 10 yards off, and he was calling a go route.


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[Assistant] And Jamar Chase is like, yeah, I'm awesome, but I'm not going to be able to run by him and run a go right. I think he's all like, there's no way he's going to come to me here. And Burrow really didn't even look, kind of just like looked down the middle of the field and just threw it like Chase was going to be there.


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[Assistant] Where Burrow I think is gonna kick himself in the ass is he had an alignment like we're seeing here in this picture. And he had basically three slants on top on that second and one.


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[Assistant] And he had Boyd and had Higgins and he would have got the first down and extended the drive. And for some reason he went to that and that was a throw away play.


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[Assistant] You know, and then of course we had the great tackle on third and one by Aaron Donald, which was again another play to go, holy shit, that was amazing. He just stopped the guy running full speed in his tracks. It was like, no, you stop here. No first down for you. I mean, come on, that was freaky. And now we got the play where, hey, Burrow's now going to look up to the left of the screen. He's going to look there, right? You know, and as they look there, you know,


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[Assistant] It's nothing's really there, as you can see. There's nothing there. He might've wanted to throw the ball to Higgins, but you can see, everything's tight. And now he's gonna reassess, but by the time he reassesses, it's too late. What's more amazing, if you could just go back a little bit, Matthew, is the fact that the center is helping the left guard here.


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[Assistant] The left guard needs to go, wait, I know my center can help me here. I need to get on the outside of Aaron Donald. But he still let Aaron Donald get outside of him and beat him around the corner. But as you'll see, the center is there to help him on any inside move.


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[Assistant] Spain still gets beat by it. Why? Because this is one of the greatest defensive players in the history of football. I mean, to be able to turn the corner, that's sharply, man.


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[Assistant] Joe Burrow's gonna scramble to his right a few steps and Jalen Ramsey fell down and Jamar Chase is gonna catch the game winning touchdown.


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[Assistant] I mean, so that's where this game is crazy. It's so close. But Aaron Donald, to what we're showing here, should have been the MVP. Uhm, great game nonetheless.


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[Assistant] I told you earlier, I was a little underwhelmed by the Bengals game plan. I don't think they gave the Rams one, you're going into the game, you know you're not going to be able to block these dudes. Right? You know it. I mean, if you don't know it, then that's shame on you. You should have. You shouldn't have just been like, wait, wait, I just think the group that got their ass whooped in the previous two games is just, they'll show up today against the best pass rush in football.


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[Assistant] So if that's your thinking, then you're wrong. I don't know what to tell you. But, you know, no quarterback movement really.


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[Assistant] If anybody listened to me the last two weeks, the pregame show, it was one of my big things. Screens need to be a part of the game. They should watch the 49ers and every screen that they threw against the Rams with Debo Samuel the last three years, they should steal it and be in the game plan. They never made them have to


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[Assistant] They let the Rams play aggressive the whole game. Even with pre-stab, very little pre-stab motions or movement. No Jamar chase reverse or speed sweep or toss or anything. Nothing? Two weeks to prepare? We just go in with a, this is what we do, we're gonna do it?


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[Assistant] I was very disappointed. Lack of varying up protections, like I told you. I mean, there's only one play the whole game, they kept the tight end in the box. It was a 75 yard touchdown pass. You'd like to go like, wait, that kind of worked, let's do it again.


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[Assistant] You know, they were all like checked down or like wait, nobody's opened downfield from a play that we've run a hundred times this year and the Rams have seen it a hundred times. Right.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I do agree with that. Now, you know, P Ryan is their, he's their passing game back.


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[Assistant] You know, he is. You know, to the point of the screens, he's the guy that we just talked about caught a long screen for a touchdown against the Kansas City Chiefs. Right. You know, but yes, I hear you.


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[Assistant] In that situation, yes, I would want Joe Mixon to run the ball too. I have a hard time thinking that Aaron Donald was going to stop Joe Mixon right in his tracks right there, right? So, it's a tough one though. I'm not going to sit there and overanalyze that. That's the guy they like to pass protect. They use him in the pass game. I'm not going to be


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[Assistant] Overly mad about that one. I'm not. Okay. But I am gonna be mad about the other stuff I talked about. Yeah. It bothers me. Okay. You know, I just don't, I don't get it. I know the worst screen defense in football. And you didn't call one. And you know you can't block them. Yeah. And just lack of movement, motions, things for them to think about never happened in the football game. And that to me is where they drop the ball a little bit.


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[Assistant] Hey, you got that, you know, we talked about the fourth and one they missed early in the game.


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[Assistant] I think I just brought up the lost one. The Evans overthrow would be the only one that I think we didn't really discuss. It was a good defensive play by the Rams linebacker. He made Evans go inside. So it was tough. I guarantee it was a look


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[Assistant] Or something, again, I think the Rams knew a little bit of what was coming, right?


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[Assistant] So they got outside of him, made him come inside to change the angle for Burrow, and yeaah, I guarantee they haven't practiced that a whole lot where the running back gets pushed inside and then has to work his way back out. He missed the throw, but I also want to go, eh, it's Joe Burrow, I expect him to make the throw too. That was just another opportunity that


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[Assistant] Broke it on Higgins, right, right. Did that. You know, the Jamar Chase, the first long one down the right sideline. Chase gave a little out move. Honestly.


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[Assistant] Listen, it was unbelievable, Jalen Ramsey was even there at the end of the play to trip Jamar Chase up. If you really, if we watched the play back, you'd go, holy shit, that was impressive that he went for the outside move, was in an awkward position, and turned on the burners, and stayed with Chase to where at least he tripped him up as he was catching the ball.


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[Assistant] But yea, it was a tough day for him. Again, the Higgins play was offensive pass interference. You had the play on the last drive where he tried to jump the little hitch route out to the left side and Chase caught it and turned it up the sideline, right? So yea, it was not his best day. In fact, he would probably tell you it's one of his more poorer games he's ever played in his life.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, again, like I said, there's only a handful of guys in football that you'd be even asked to do the duty that Jalen Ramsey did in that game. So you gotta respect that. It was not his best game, but it wasn't like I was sitting there going, oh man, he's just getting torched.


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[Assistant] Grabbed his face with his left arm and we showed it even today on Pro Football Talk with Florio. His right arm has Jalen Ramsey's back of his jersey. He threw him to the ground. Right. I mean he was there.


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[Assistant] So again, Jaylen Ramsey looks like a fool, but I go, you know, first off, pass interference needs to be, on the offense, needs to be called way more than it is as a whole in the NFL. So you have that, you have the other Jamar Chase plays, he messed up, there's no doubt. But this is what I'll say about to that question.


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[Assistant] Jalen Ramsey is without a doubt one of the best defensive backs in all of football. Is he the best island man to man corner in football? I don't know if I would say that. Who's better?


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[Assistant] Jaylen Ramsey can also be a, he's a nickel. He's a great, he tackles like a safety. He can do everything. He can match up with a smaller Jamar Chase.


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[Assistant] Who's much smaller than he is, and then match up with the huge T.E. Higgins. Where a lot of those guys can't do both of those like that. That's where he's special. He's really awesome.


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[Assistant] No, he's living with- he's not on his reputation. It was a bad day.


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[Assistant] It was that, but he's still really awesome to our man PMGUKCult.


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[Assistant] A whole lot once he got busted for his vaccination status.


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[Assistant] I really feel like that might have been the end. I don't know, I just feel like he was probably stressed out because everybody was attacking him. She was, you know.


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[Assistant] Uh, now the big question is, will he become a real free agent of football too? Right. Cause if you make me bet, what I hear and things and people I know in the league, he will not be the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers next year. I think that's why you heard the report this weekend of the Packers saying they're ready to go all in. It's the PR battle here.


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[Assistant] They're gonna make sure they're making it look like we're trying to get them back. Yeah. Because they know...


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[Assistant] They know what I know, that there's people in football that are in the know or know people close to Rodgers that he's looking for somebody else. He's looking for a new girlfriend.


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[Assistant] I'll throw Denver right out, just for the obvious reasons. Nate Hackenby in there. I have a hard time thinking he gets traded in the NFC.


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[Assistant] You know, I won't be shocked, but I'm saying if you bet me money, I'm gonna say, if you made me bet money, I'm gonna go, uh, he's gonna leave. I think the love for Lafleur is real.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't think it's, you know, even though he said all the right, the right things, I don't think he really loves Goody and Mark Murphy still. Okay. Alright. There's that. The Packers have real cap issues. They do. Real cap issues. To where I think he looks at it and goes, wait, we're not gonna get better. We might stay the same.


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[Assistant] Uh, so I, I don't know. I don't know. But like I said, I'm leaning towards he won't be there, and then he'll be in the NFC. The Broncos certainly come to mind, the Miami Dolphins still come to mind, even though I know they're trying to sell Tua with Mike McDaniel there, I get it. Uhm, but like there's no way they're training the 49ers.


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[Assistant] There's no way they're trading them the bucks. Like, do you really think Matt LaFleur and Guten Kuss and Mark Murphy wanna, like, you know,


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[Assistant] We got lots of- that was a good breakdown. At least I felt good about it. I hope everybody else did. You know where we'll go? We're gonna go two podcasts a week now. Alright?


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[Assistant] Matt Casey's an asshole. But either way, uh, yeaah, we'll be back on two podcasts a week. Maybe Monday, Thursday, Monday, Wednesday. We gotta figure it out as we're going forward. We do have, I do have a week off next week. You do? Alright, so. I'm a, I'm gone as well. Yeaah, we're gonna play some best of, some things like that. So again, don't expect new information. I'm getting a little break. Do you get to pick?


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[Assistant] Yeah, but we'll figure that out. What two days we're gonna do, what's the best plan of attack, and of course we're getting into free agency. When I come back, we'll hit free agency and we'll start talking draft stuff. I'm hoping we're gonna go to the Combine, we're gonna see how that works out.


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[Assistant] Paul to you the man. Now go back to your Olympic work now. One more.


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[Assistant] It kind of gets grouped together right now because of the label, but when you really look into it, same building, different floor, accelerated version of that in Miami. Those two things don't really belong together.


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[Assistant] Evaluating the draft and who won the draft, that part of the week is over.


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[Assistant] Thankfully, love the draft. I always, you know, dislike that because, I mean, what do we really know about grading? Exactly. Exactly. Right. So now, I mean, we're going to do this, we're still going to handle what the draft gave us in terms of, uh, NFL news. Yeah. And kind of treat it a little different way. We're going to take some, take all the positions. Yeah. A handful of rookies and say, all right,


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[Assistant] Look at the ones who did really, really well last year, in terms of what got selected this year.


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[Assistant] What do you picture happening in their rookie season? Who is this year's fill in the blank? We're going to go position by position.


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[Assistant] I think we oughta start at wide receiver. Might as well. There were six in the top eighteen. Yeaah. So we gotta start somewhere. Kind of a big deal. Very popular spot there in the first round. So who is going to be this year's Jamar Chase? Right. The high pick who went off to become the rookie of the year. You got a lot of selections there.


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[Assistant] And I know you liked him a lot. Would you rather have the Packers take those two first round picks they had and get up into the teams to take someone like other teams did? Or do you think it was right to develop the front seven and get a really good player in round two?


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[Assistant] Let's keep in mind that Green Bay, not just about Aaron Rodgers, he was able to play, I don't want to say conservative, but they scored 24 points and win most of the time because that defense was so good. So it's really developing and enhancing a system that's kind of become the way they play there. So I, I, I'm like you, I didn't


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[Assistant] I would have loved to see them get a receiver early with those picks, but I didn't mind it. I didn't hate it the way some other people did. Okay, moving on with the wide receivers. Who's going to be this year's Jalen Waddle? And the kind of tag there is the biggest target hog at wide receiver. The sixth overall pick caught 104 balls last year.


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[Assistant] They're going to do that too. So it's one of those two for sure. It's amazing thinking about the pressure on him compared to like Jameson Williams. Just how different their rookie seasons feel for a number of reasons right off the bat. One more question about receivers. Now we go to kind of the middle eight round guys. Seen a number have big time success recently. Let's call this one. Who's going to be this year's Amon Ross St. Brown.


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[Assistant] Fourth round pick, almost had 1,000 yards, 900 last year with Detroit.


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[Assistant] Quarterback landscape for rookies this fall is going to look so much different than last year, just by numbers. I mean, last year I was looking at it, Chris. Eight went in the top 70. I know. One. One in the top 70 this year. It's insane. Just Kenny Pickett. So let's start with this one. Who's going to be Mack Jones, the quarterback who steps up and kind of quiets the critics right away?


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[Assistant] Yeah. And for most of these, I gotta think that you're thinking about it and like looking at two names and there is a close second.


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[Assistant] I feel like there's going to be more patience with him too, just because he didn't have those moments where he stunk in that city last year. I'm pulling for Donald, but there were some tough


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[Assistant] I'm going to go number two, I'm going Corral there. Who will be this year's Davis Mills? Later round pick, who surprises? So Davis, third round selection, 67%, 16 touchdowns was much better than anybody thought he'd be last year.


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[Assistant] Alright, I mentioned that the quarterback landscape a lot different early in the draft this year. Running back the same, not a single first round running back, not a surprise. Three in round two, three in round three, and then five in round four.


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[Assistant] Who do you think of the group that went will be this year's Najee Harris? And that's kind of like the workhorse running back. Yeah. Led the NFL and touches 1600 scrimmage yards. Lot to like about his rookie season.


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[Assistant] Right. Of a workhorse to me. Right. Good clarification there. So we're talking about between the tackle type running back there. Let's kind of shift out wide. We'll say who's going to be the flashiest rookie running back like Javante Williams in Denver last year.


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[Assistant] One more running back category to hit, and one of the reasons, I mean, talent, yes, but teams don't want to take one in the first round because there's this thought, you can get one in the later rounds, get a steal and get a lot out of that running back. So like Elijah Mitchell last year to the Niners, mid to late round pick, he was a sixth round pick, almost went for a thousand yards.


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[Assistant] Who do you see as this year's Elijah Mitchell type that every team thinks about in these late rounds?


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[Assistant] Awesome last year. 13th overall pick. Exceeded my expectations. Played every snap. Killed it. Killed the Pro Bowl. So if somebody gets a Rashawn Slater, pretty big compliment. 3 tackles went in the top 10. Which one do you think is most likely to be this year's Rashawn Slater?


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[Assistant] And the Chargers selected an offensive, uh, guard in the first round this year, so they kind of fortified that offensive lineman, they hope to. Let's think about interior offensive lineman. If you include the center position, I think four went in the first round, so you got a lot to pick from here. Who will be this year's Creed Humphrey? Second round pick, played 99% of the Chief Snaps last year.


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[Assistant] Thank you. He thought about it. He chimed in. Ding, ding, ding, ding. He will allow that to happen. He can have say on his own podcast. Other side of the ball. Micah Parsons, 12th overall pick to the Cowboys last year. We start Ed Linebacker. Actually, this could be anybody. It could be. Most versatile. I know. Let's say this. Most versatile defender this year's class. Who do you see?


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[Assistant] We are projecting this year's picks, this year's draft class and trying to picture them as someone who succeeded from last year's class. We're on the defensive side of the ball.


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[Assistant] Okay, best pure pass rusher in this class. They went early, uh, number of them in the top ten, including at one and two. We're going to call it this year's Jalen Phillips from Miami, the eighteenth overall picker at eight and a half sacks.


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[Assistant] Peter King wrote about it in his article on Monday. He and I talked about it in his podcast.


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[Assistant] There's no better segue to Linebacker. To middle round Linebackers. Who will be this year's Nick Bolton? The biggest tackling machine at Linebacker. Second round pick. Really good rookie season with Kansas City.


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[Assistant] I watched a number of Georgia games last year and I especially remember the game against Michigan and also the national championship game. If someone would have said to you, hey, five of those defenders are going on the first round, who do you think they'll be? I would have had N'Kobe Dean. I think a lot of people would have.


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[Assistant] Wind Corner with Stingley. Yeaah. And we had another one go, Sauce Gardner. Not a surprise at four. Right. Uh, but the point here, we're turning to cornerbacks here. Uh, we had them at three and four in the first round this year, so you've got some high-end picks to think about here. Who will be this year's Patrick Surtain? Uh, the ninth overall pick who, as expected, was good as rookie season in depth.


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[Assistant] I'm still surprised by that. And if you're gonna play that much cover to you saying you don't need to invest the third overall pick in a corner? Not, not for my money.


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[Assistant] Well, again, there's, there's a safety over the top of them all the time.


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[Assistant] Game has changed the corner. Gotta have a couple slot guys. So slot corner. Who will be this year's Nate Hobbs? And that's Las Vegas Raiders out of Illinois. Fifth round pick last year. If you watch close, you recognize he had a good season. Who do you see as that guy this year?


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[Assistant] Best safety, Jayvon Holland, we have listed here from last year's class to the Dolphins. Second round pick, played 84% of the snaps, uh, 10 pass breakups led all rookies. You could easily go Kyle Hamilton.


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[Assistant] Alright, our friends at Points Bet are helping us here with the Offensive Rookie of the Year. And unfortunately, as we take a look at the odds here, I was outed last week as a complete gambling novice.


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[Assistant] How about we go right to the defense? Let's do it. Let's go right to the defense. Oh, it came on camera. If you're with us.


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[Assistant] There we go, defense. Okay, Aiden Hutchinson plus 450. I know where you're going, your buddy Kavon Thibodeau is second most likely. Plus 500.


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[Assistant] Let's, uh, let's see. Kyle Hamilton is fourth most likely, plus 800. Sauce Gardner right behind him. Derek Stingley is right there. Jordan Davis makes the list, plus 1300 on the top ten.


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[Assistant] This is awesome, I can see that, a few picks. I'm gonna say five or six picks, some nice pass breakups. Yeah. Improved Jets team.


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[Assistant] It says Iowa is. Iowa's in. There it is. Boom. Okay.


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[Assistant] Everything else is downhill from here. So here's how it's going to work. I've got a list, a number of ask me anything questions. I'm going to roll through these until Pete says I've had enough. Let's start from the top and rattle them off. Let's go.


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[Assistant] Both like the quarterback. We're excited to watch them play this year. What would you have liked to have seen them done that they didn't do? One position.


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[Assistant] Giants draft. Yeaah. JQ's, can we get your read on the Giants class as a whole?


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[Assistant] Next question is about Jermaine Johnson. I feel like we answered this. Andy Poore asked why did Jermaine Johnson fall? We talked about that a little while ago.


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[Assistant] Panther's quarterback situation, great name here, Pedro Pacheco. If the over-under for games started by Sam Darnold this year was at five and a half, what would you take? I know you love Corral, do you think he's ready?


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[Assistant] I'm taking it over there as well. I can see Corral play in November, December.


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[Assistant] That really never happens. And just while you're thinking about that, the Vikings traded 12th overall to Detroit so they could get Jameson Williams. That's right. 34th to Green Bay so they could get Christian Watson.


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[Assistant] Big moves, but they gotta do what's best for their football team. It stands out because we don't see it much. Did it bother you that they traded within division?


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[Assistant] Out of all the receivers drafted, which one is the best fit schematically? I personally feel like Chris Olave is a match made in heaven with the Saints, but I'm curious on y'all's thoughts.


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[Assistant] Uh, stand with the wide receiver, uh, Patriots wide receiver situation. This is from at Goal Line Stand 2. Hard to believe the Pats traded up to take Tyquan Thornton 50th overall over George Pickens, Sky Moore, and Alec Pierce. What do you think of that?


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[Assistant] More on the wide receiver, this one to Kansas City from at Startender. Az, did the Chiefs make a mistake trading back from 50 to 54 because three wide receivers went off the board and George Pickens was one of them.


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[Assistant] Next question is about team draft boards. It's from Will Caldwell, and I think this is referencing, it is referencing the situation when the Patriots took Coles Range. Oh yea, yea. Inside the Rams, I mean, Sean McBey was surprised that they took him there. So the question is, with regard to Sean McBey's reaction to the Patriots pick, do you think that happens often when the cameras are not on?


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[Assistant] Do people often have that vastly different of, of boards?


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[Assistant] He's the best guy at that spot. We've got to have somebody at that spot and he's not going to be around when we pick again in a couple hours or in an hour or whenever it pops up.


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[Assistant] 30 quarterbacks is coming up at some point here. I'm sorry, top 40. Like Kasey Kasey. Top 40.


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[Assistant] I think all of the really talented quarterbacks in the league, there's a long list of them who haven't had success in January and February, they're all on this list.


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[Assistant] Stafford was on that list before last year. Crazy talented guy, why isn't he better when it really matters? So it's more about, he's had so much success in the regular season, Lamar has, and he hasn't won a lot in the postseason. It's more about that that hangs over every quarterback who's really good, win a lot in the fall, but they don't win that much once the playoff comes. It's more about that.


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[Assistant] Shut up, I'm pretty awesome. Thinking about quarterback criticism, Jack Farr says, Hey at Chris Sims, what do you think of the fit Baker Mayfield to New Orleans? Would that work with what they want to do?


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[Assistant] If I was a fan of a team that still needed a veteran quarterback, I would be excited if that team went out and got Baker. Yea, I know. I really would. I know, I guess the Browns, they're holding them hostage.


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[Assistant] Lions no cornerback is the topic here. Sir Skip, I truly believe my Lions won the draft, but do you think they should have taken someone like Jalen or Moore Davis instead? I know you like Joshua Peschal, but we need a cornerback. Let's take a look at the Lions draft class here. Let me look at the Lions roster too.


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[Assistant] Okay, so Aiden Hutchinson obviously in the first, Jameson Williams, they come back in and get him also in the first round.


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[Assistant] More cornerback thoughts. Let's focus on Seattle here. This is from at young ragnar86. Seahawks! Obviously the Charles Cross pick is a home run, but my personal favorites, the two cornerbacks. Tariq Wolin looks to have so much potential as well as Kobe Bryant. What do you make of them as we take a peek here at the entire Seahawks class?


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[Assistant] Yeah, buddy. What's up? Chris Sims, Chris Sims on button. Ahmed Fareed is here and we will get to the bottom of this. It's a very important subject. He does have chest hair. It's slightly popping out today with his own button, uh, button on his shirt there.


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[Assistant] Well, technically two, but I think he meant three then, okay?


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[Assistant] Whoa! So you get a closer look, it is a little hairier than there than I thought. Yeah, that's the before.


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[Assistant] You're not that hairy. Even though, as I look at you now, you may be able to connect the chin hair to the chest hair. You might be able to work that out if you just let it go. I don't know.


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[Assistant] Welcome to the Chris Simms on Button Podcast. That's what we do. We make you uncomfortable. Alright, so then the rest of your weekend, you got to see the greatest franchise ever invented in the history of sports.


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[Assistant] They do have a lot. They're good this year. They are good this year. Is that the Yanks game? Got to see that. Got to see Aaron Judge. Yanks win again. I mean, we win almost every game now. It was crazy.


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[Assistant] Think so? Right around there? I mean, it's somewhere in there. Maybe not quite that tall? No? You think it's not? Is it 6'7 and change? I mean, he's lost some weight. 6'6. Wow, 6'6? I don't know why. I always thought he was tall, a little bit more tall than I, or at least taller than that.


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[Assistant] You've never, never. No, we do. We, we do. You know, as a group. As a group, as a show, we do.


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[Assistant] I know. Well, you're counting 12 though, so that's the problem. It's like, it's one of my pet peeves when I watch media companies talk about players careers. They can't ever figure it out. Like, it's always a year off.


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[Assistant] My dad's career, I'll use him specifically, played from 79 to 93. Okay. So everyone, people who run these TV shows, they just go 79 to 93, that's 14.


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[Assistant] Well, it's a tough one. Again, I know what his top end talent is. And I know people are going to sit there and go, oh well, you know, other guys are injured or whatever and blah, blah, blah. But this is like, again, this is beyond injury. This is, he did not participate in training camp. He did not do anything all year. He did not practice.


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[Assistant] I know he's getting some practice time in right now too. He's gonna be suspended for a huge amount of time too.


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[Assistant] So maybe that like in the back of my mind affected things a little bit. I know when it's all systems go and he's played some ball and really rolling, there's no doubt he's in the conversation with the guys that we got in the top five of this list, which I'm not going to tell you right now.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, he's in that combo when it's all good. But again, that's a big if and when that'll get there again.


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[Assistant] I think people are a little bit underestimating that. As we've discussed, and this is probably the third time in a row I've made this point, but I'll make it one more time. You know, again, we have quarterbacks that get injured all the time and don't come back and look the same after the injury always. And it takes them a little while.


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[Assistant] Right? To get playing and hitting on all cylinders. Let alone a guy that's missed football for a complete year. I don't know if everybody's quite giving the credit or, or...


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[Assistant] The creditors as far as how hard that is to kind of overcome and think, I'm going to come back and be awesome right away.


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[Assistant] Well, that's where I know, exactly. That, that, you know, again, yeaah, last year not playing certainly is gonna knock you down a little bit, the fact that you didn't play. And, you know, again, you know, let's, let's


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[Assistant] We got some good f***ing quarterbacks in the league right now. And we had a few guys that were younger and things that continue to go up the list and stuff. So that pushed him down too. You know, so there's a, there's a few factors that played into that.


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[Assistant] That's right, Arizona Cardinals. I'm a little surprised I got them at number 12. I'm not gonna lie.


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[Assistant] You know, it's probably one way I went into the conversation, er, into this exercise thinking,


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[Assistant] Oh yea, Kylo may be a top ten quarterback for sure. He was seven last year for you. He was seven last year, I know. But, you know, we'll get into it. I think the first thing you're gonna hit on Ahmet, or at least we gotta say about this guy, this is still one of the most physically gifted quarterbacks in the NFL. Hands down, there's my banner statement. If I had to say a headline, there is a lot to like about what he can bring to the table. I mean, come on.


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[Assistant] First off, he runs like an elite slot receiver in the NFL. Like if you move Kyler Murray to the slot tomorrow for the Arizona Cardinals, you'd go, oh shit, nobody can cover him in the slot. Nobody can. He's so quick. He's so explosive, he can accelerate.


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[Assistant] So, and that's special in itself. And then, hey, the throwing is pretty damn special too. There's no doubt about that.


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[Assistant] I mean, the throwing, he's gifted. His arm is strong. And I mean, he can make all the throws and then sub.


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[Assistant] And then has a quick release. I mean, again, his life is getting the ball out of his hands quick, screens, three, three step drop, boom, boom, boom, all of that. And then does have, you know, a thing that I, again, I'm, I'm big into and he needs it because of his size. He does have different ways to throw the football.


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[Assistant] He can throw the ball sidearm awkwardly and do all those things really at a pretty high level. So that's the things you love about him.


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[Assistant] You know, I do. So you talk about, you know, again, physical ability, what we talk about in this quarterback list, it's up there at the top of the league as far as pure ability.


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[Assistant] Decision making and things of that nature. I don't have a whole lot of issues with his decision making, how he sees the field. He plays it pretty good.


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[Assistant] But now we get into some things where I go, okay. Pocket.


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[Assistant] It's not good in the pocket. The more you watch, it's good in the pocket against when it's open and it's free and there's no pressure. And now I can, Oh, I want to, Hey, I'm, nobody was open and now I'm going to run here. Oh wait, that guy cut me off. Let me bounce back and now I'll run here. And that's great. It's all good. But.


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[Assistant] What you saw as the season went along a little bit, teams, teams are getting used to some of these quarterbacks, these fast quarterbacks. I mean, again, you know, they're, they're in college, they're in the NFL. These teams are used to it. These NFL teams are being taught how to stop these running quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] You know, all year long now. It's a, it's a thing. It's not just a weekly thing. It's literally almost all year long because almost every team has a quarterback. They go, well, watch out. He can get out of the pocket. We got to stay in our lane. We got to do this. So the one thing that I would say is we get into the negatives of him because there's a lot of positives and we'll bounce back to that. But yes, as you saw, as the season went on.


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[Assistant] And people kept him in the pocket. I know he had the ankle or injury too, but he still was plenty fast to get out of danger and do all that.


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[Assistant] Keep him in the pocket. Make him make plays within the pocket. It's still a question mark for Kylin Murray, for sure. And again, if the pocket's clean and all good, that's great.


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[Assistant] But as you know, as we know, there's going to come a three or four game stretch where you're going to play some really good defenses, a la the Rams or the 49ers or some of those teams. And they're going to go, wait, we're fast at defense and we kind of know how to play the running quarterback. So we're not just going to let you run around and we're going to be chasing you and all that.


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[Assistant] And we're gonna collapse the pocket. And now you're gonna have to stand in there and have people in your face and throw the ball. And you're gonna have to take a big hit and know it's coming. And still throw the ball. And those are some of the things that certainly are still not up to the top tier guys in the league. That would be a thing that still needs work. It was better this year. It was.


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[Assistant] Third downs, we talked about last year during the quarterback rankings, I meant third downs, he's not very good, cause of the pocket thing. He was better at that this year, but I think there's still some meat left on the bone as far as improving in that.


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[Assistant] That, that's where I, I'm mad at myself a little to a degree last year. You know, I was saying some of these things towards the end of the year. There were signs that something like what happened in the playoff game could happen. There was signs. Exactly right. You go back to...


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[Assistant] The second's Ram- second Ram's game. The Lions game.


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[Assistant] Uh, what else am I missing? The Colts game where he had one run, but that was it. But again, we're talking about, you know, some teams that started to figure out to go, wait, we're, we're going to keep them in here. And if he beats us in the pocket all day and all that, then fine. So be it. We lose.


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[Assistant] But there was a concerted effort there, and that's where I think you saw some slippage a little bit, as far as that's concerned.


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[Assistant] So yes, there was that, but then it got to the Rams again, and now it's the playoffs, and they throw a few other wrinkles at you, and it's the intensity of the playoffs, and the players rise up to the level, you know, another level of play, and yeaah, that's when, and then added to another element of this is,


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[Assistant] The teams caught on to their offense, 100%, that's an issue. Some of the struggles they have down the stretch are not all on Kyler Murray. Everybody catches on to Cliff Kingsbury's offense, so I think you add all those things we're talking about with a good defense like the Rams, who were kinda starting to peak at that time. It showed us on national TV, a playoff game, we were like, oh shit, he's small out there, woah.


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[Assistant] And that's, to me, still the biggest worry question about Kyla Murray. Games wide open, all that's gonna be great.


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[Assistant] When we get to those five or six teams, like we're talking about, where they go, and they're front four, they can kind of push the pocket, and they can, they're not overwhelmed by his athleticism. Can we go to the next level there? And that, I think, is still the big question for Kylin Murray.


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[Assistant] I'm sure it did. I mean, I'm sure it wasn't perfect, but I can't sit there and say when I watched him back and things and went, oh man, it's really bothering him.


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[Assistant] Man, he's usually 4-3-9, but he's running 4-7-9 right now. No, I was going, no, he's still running. He didn't, maybe not running 4-3-9, but he's running 4-4-4 around the edge here. Still enough plays where you went, wow. He was still, he still took off against the Colts and ran 70 yards down the middle of the field and the DB caught him at the one inch line. So he still could go.


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[Assistant] And so that, that, you know, again, did that throw him out of the rhythm, out of rhythm, certainly. But I think what we saw early in the year, again, goes back to kind of what we were just talking about.


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[Assistant] They're a team that, you know, it's talent and playmaking and, and, you know, they kind of go on momentum.


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[Assistant] But once you start to get it, I feel like once teams got a little bit of a feel and how to play them and slow them down and we're like, oh wait, if we don't do any stupid mistakes on our side of the ball, let's muck this game up and make it ugly and see if they can grind it out and be as tough with us. I feel like that's when they started to fall apart. Green Bay kind of showed that in the game that he got hurt in that you're talking about.


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[Assistant] They're kinda keepin' him in the pocket there.


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[Assistant] Rodgers and Company didn't make any mistakes, he had a few errant throws, re-threw the ball high, made some bad turnovers, and all of a sudden they were in trouble, but he could, had a hard time running that day, right, they kinda kept him in there, and that started to, I feel like a little bit of a blueprint right there, and then of course yes, he didn't play after that, but yeaah, I think they took advantage


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[Assistant] I think that you have to talk about it a little bit. It is. And again, it's why we've, we've discussed, I know Florio has discussed this. Hey, there's, there's definitely a group of teams in football that would not have Kyle and Murray as their starting quarterback because of some of these things we talk about.


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[Assistant] So, yes, and then hey, leadership, hey, that's another area, I'd like to see him take another jump in. That's an interesting topic. Well, you know, that's part of this. Let me read something that JJ


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[Assistant] Well, maybe it is who he is. He has to find a way to me within who he is to just have a little bit more of an effect on the football team. Like we'll talk about with some guys here today or other guys where, you know, again, he's the man. They're still going to be good. He'll still be good if he continues to approach it the way he wants to. But at some point,


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[Assistant] If it continues to be 11 and 6, he's gonna start being an asshole or something and infecting the team to go, wait, wait, wait. What's going on here is not acceptable. We gotta start fixing things. Whether he has to start yelling at players on the field.


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[Assistant] That ability to, whatever it is, to have a feel for your team. Oh, today, I gotta, we gotta step on their throats a little bit. I gotta yell at the guys. That's interesting.


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[Assistant] Man, I gotta prop us up a little bit. But still have an effect. Don't be just, well, I'm gonna be quiet and then I'm gonna handle business. I'll handle my business. That's great. That's cool. I understand that. And that's really, yes, should be good.


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[Assistant] We're talking about we might want to pay you 48 million dollars a year and that's, you know, that's the next thing we're expecting here. I thought it was a good start last week with him being at OTAs because he wasn't there the first time around. I think he probably realized that like, wait, why would I do this to myself? Why wouldn't I want to be there? We got some new guys.


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[Assistant] Oh, he is, I know, and then he has to attack me because we didn't talk about that, which we'll get into here in a minute, alright? But yes, I mean, so that's the big thing, but here's the biggest reason I came to it, alright? And you've already hit on it, but just really, I guess, nail it down. You know, we talked about all the positives, but like,


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[Assistant] His size, the playing style doesn't always allow for the big downfield plays. And that goes back to a little bit of the pocket thing.


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[Assistant] And I think a little bit of that, yeaah, cause you have to play to Kyler Murray. You know, he's not going to stand in there and, oh wait, the pocket's collapsing. Wait, the post is coming open down the middle. Pat the ball one more time. You're going to get crushed, but it's going to be a touchdown. It's not going to happen. He's going to duck.


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[Assistant] or run or get out of there. He's not going to let you just take the hit. So that gets affected, you know, so there's some of that, the play calling the natural play itself. Oh wait, I have a drop back pass. Wait, coach told me to look to the left and the end cut. But if I see the safety be, you know, a little hungry on the end cut, whoa, be alert for the post over the top.


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[Assistant] Not always gonna get there, because again, he's, if it's not perfectly clean...


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[Assistant] Can their offense help him get better in those areas? I have that question too, but those are my questions about his game. Again, incredible talent, a lot of good things. To me it's no longer like, is he good? I know he's good. We're putting him in the top 10 now.


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[Assistant] Because it's like, is he good against the other good? That's where we're at here. We're at the part of the list where it's like, you better be good when you're playing the other good teams too. You can't just be good against, oh, we're way better and now I'm awesome today.


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[Assistant] And that's probably where a lot of nitpicking goes a little long with these guys here.


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[Assistant] And then, that means he's the ultimate field general in the NFL right now. To me, I think he's the number one sheriff in the league right now.


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[Assistant] You know, as far as what he does at the line of scrimmage, play after play after play after play, and he, and he's, he's become a little bit of a jerk, and he'll yell at guys, and, you know, what the hell are you doing, or you gotta protect, like, he does all that stuff. You know, and then, what I'll throw into it, too, is just like, you know,


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[Assistant] To your point, what is the negative? Tell me what is the negative about Derek Carr? That's because people love to talk bad about Derek Carr. Can't run like Kyler. Oh, okay. Can't make the big play downfield. I think that might be the perception. That's bullshit. That's bullshit. Cause he can make the play down the field and I would argue he makes the play down the field more than Kyler Murray.


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[Assistant] Because of a little bit of what we're talking about here. First off, we're talking about, I say the ultimate field general because I'm talking about the guy that probably has done more at the line of scrimmage than any other quarterback in football over the last two years.


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[Assistant] He's, like I said, we all worried about, oh wait, him and John Gruden, is he gonna be tough enough for John Gruden? Can he be enough of a jerk and a field general to appeal to Gruden? Yes, he can. Answer that question.


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[Assistant] No doubt about it. And then, you know, you talk about smarts and decision making. Really damn good. And then you talk about, again, the physical ability. He's got size, he's mobile, and he has a very good arm. Very good arm.


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[Assistant] With a very quick release. So, I think when you look at all of that, and then some of the things that I think he got better in this last year,


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[Assistant] That's why he jumped Kyler Murray. And I'll get into some of those things where, you know, I think he got better. But damn, when you come away from it, you really start to look and go, well,


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[Assistant] There's really not a lot of negatives with this guy at all. It's just like, is he as good as maybe some of the other guys in some of the other areas? Okay, I don't know. No, he's not. Obviously some of them, yes. But man, everything else. Pinpoint accuracy.


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[Assistant] Can put the ball in the tight windows. Can get the hand, the ball out of his hands quickly. Can change the play at the line of scrimmage. Stands in the pocket and plays tough and throws balls down the field for big time game changing plays. You know? Guys are hurt and fallen and arrested and everybody's going to jail. It doesn't matter. Derek Harsh still throwing for 70% and moving the ball down the field.


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[Assistant] No, you haven't, but I will say, if people go back and listen to some of the things I said when he was 18 and I just said, man, he's got more talent than that, he's better than that. You know, one of my big complaints about him was,


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[Assistant] Lack of aggressiveness, being a little, trying to be a little too perfect with the football where I'd go, would you just throw the laser in there and stop trying to hit it exactly on the bullseye? Just throw it in there so he can catch and run and it'll be good. He played and made decisions and made throws with so much more conviction this year.


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[Assistant] I, it was literally, I was in like game four of all of his throws and I've gone


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[Assistant] It was like he, I, I, I felt like a proud dad. I was like, maybe he listened to me. Maybe he was like, f*** it, I'm gonna listen to Sims, and if it's tight over the middle, I'm just gonna throw it as hard as I can and get it in there.


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[Assistant] And it changed their offense and made them more dangerous. He left less yards on the field. You know, I'm big on that too.


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[Assistant] You know? I mean, what was there to be had? There were a lot of the years and years past that go, yes, he got the 40 yard completion, but he threw it like a wimp and the guy had to stop and catch it and only got 42 yards. Where it should have been a slam dunk, 80 yard walk in touchdown. None of that shit got left on the field this year. That's where I think he went to.


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[Assistant] You know, the, the next level, a lot of throws of like, Ooh, there's not really anybody open. Damn. He put it in a tight window. You know me, I, I grade that stuff a little bit more favorably maybe than other people's and then in the pocket too. That's the other thing. The mother is tough.


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[Assistant] You know, I'm saying, I'm talking like this because I get a little sick of like people crapping on Derek Carr all the time, honestly. Even Raider fans. I know. I know. Maybe especially Raider fans. And I get sick of it. And I want to go, he's the best player on your team. Who's better than him on your team? Max Crosby, maybe. Okay, Darren Waller, yeaah. But he's definitely like on the Mount Rushmore of your football team. And you can win a Super Bowl with this guy. You can do that.


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[Assistant] And that's where I think I get a little frustrated with it. But like in the pocket, tough, people bearing down on him, boom, doesn't matter. You know, he does have the ability to throw with different arm angles. The other thing you too, you realize too is how much he, you know, gets to the top of the drop. They did not have great pass protection as you mentioned or run game this year. And how many times he kind of,


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[Assistant] Runs up in the pocket and he's pump faking and he's like gonna run. Oh, and then he's like, oh wait, there is somebody and he throws the ball as he's kind of running up and just about to hit the line of scrimmage. I mean, holy shit, there's four or five of those in every game.


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[Assistant] So, I just, I have a lot of respect for the adjustments the guy made in his career, not only personality wise, but I think he's made some physical adjustments that have made him better to where, I mean, there's no doubt, you know.


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[Assistant] If Tom Brady retires, he's a top 10 quarterback. But Tom Brady stayed, so he's staying at 11. Alright? And that's, he can, he can talk to Tom about that.


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[Assistant] Nobody wants to give him sick, but not him. We want to give the quarterback for all the sex, but for some reason, rather than the Raiders, let's find somebody else to talk about. Why? Baccar? He's kind of a nerd.


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[Assistant] You know, he's not that cool, so it's just because you don't swear. I know. Doesn't mean you're not cool. Exactly.


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[Assistant] You're living proof. We know that. He's got great touch. Got great touch. I mean, how many throws can he make? Blitzed people in his face and he tosses a 30 yard crosser that touches the moon and falls right in his receivers lap.


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[Assistant] You know, the release, that's the other thing too. The ability to just, foom, and get the ball, his releases is, it's up there with the quickest in football.


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[Assistant] Uh, so there, there's like a lot to like about the guy physically, the mental part of it, the leadership part, effect of the team. It's, he has a real effect on the team. They love him. Devonte Adams came there for one reason. Derrick Carr. Well that's the thing too. There you go.


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[Assistant] No, no, there's not. I mean, Khalil Mack was his best friend. You know, he's not as nerdy as everybody thinks he is.


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[Assistant] Exactly. That's the point. He's like you. He owns it. He knows who he is. I don't swear. I go home. I'm kind of boring. I think you are at least. It seems that way. And yes, but he is who he is. He's very comfortable in that. He says that. He said it to me early on in his career.


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[Assistant] You know? And he, yea, listen, he, early in his career, he showed the ability to be this guy. And then he, he did. He fell off for a few years. I think he got a little, yea, he had some bad coaching.


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[Assistant] I think he got a little careful playing the position a little. He has found the right mix of being...


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[Assistant] You know, on the field, general, aggressive, push the ball down the field. Oh wait, this game, I got to take care of it and be a little more surgical. He's got it. And like you said.


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[Assistant] They were there in Cincinnati with not the same time of talent the Bengals had and he was jamming a ball into the two yard line and almost there to win a football game or at least tie it or to win it, just to win it, right?


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[Assistant] Well that, I'm glad you brought that up, because that to me is part of this, and this is, I wrote this down. I mean, picked on too much, alright, and yes, ex-coach didn't do him any favors there.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't feel like it, last season was the first offseason I feel like we went into where it was legitimately the Raiders finally gave up on the cryptic we might replace Derek Kartok. Right? Because he played really good in 2020 too.


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[Assistant] You know, so they backed off finally. And then of course this, I think it's going to be awesome with the McDaniels.


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[Assistant] When we're off the line of scrimmage, figure it out and get to the right play. Like that's a little more of that. McDaniels is going to be a little bit like, I got a play for you that works against all the plays they got. Except for one. And if they run this one defense, then I need you to check out of it.


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[Assistant] If you just listen to me and how I coach this play, this play will work against all the defenses they play this week.


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[Assistant] And that's where it's a little different. I think it's going to be a little bit more friendly and easy for Derek Carr. He's got to learn some of the offense and the, there's definitely, I mean, he's probably like, wait, you guys call the formation this? And he's probably like, cause it's a totally different


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[Assistant] Like, language, totally. So, but once he learns that, I think he's gonna find that, wait, I can just go to the line of scrimmage and like,


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[Assistant] Run the play. I don't have to worry about it. Like coach told me, okay, it's cover four. Now I gotta read it this way. Oh, it's cover two. I gotta read it a little differently because the coach said, okay, okay, I got it. Where Gruden had been like,


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[Assistant] You know, it's cover four. Alright, check to this play. Oh wait, we know they went to cover two. Now check to the other cover two play. You know, zbingo, you're doing all that. He's not gonna have to do that as much. So it'll be a little easier on him as far as just, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, Waller and Devante Adams, it's like his version of Brady Gronk and Julian Edelman.


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[Assistant] Not sure if I believe in the receiving core quite yet to go there. And I do think...


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[Assistant] McDaniels will get them back to the run game, which could hurt maybe his passing yard stats. McDaniels isn't gonna, like, be cool with, like,


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[Assistant] Bottom line is, this is still the most electrifying quarterback in the NFL. Period. The most. I think he's the most electrifying. When you just talk about the running and throwing and everything there, I don't know if there's more of a, like, game by game highlight watch.


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[Assistant] Then Lamar Jackson. I know some of the guys at the top of the list are, are, are, you know, the great quarterbacks there. They're, they're pretty fun to watch too. But damn, I mean, come on. You see things with this guy that you don't see with other people, first off. And here's the other thing where I think people miss. Like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, we talk about physical ability, decision making, leadership, pocket presence, those are my four things we're talking about here. First off, the physical ability is off the charts good. And don't just come at me with like, oh, just his legs. No! His arm is, that's just the thing, when you go back and watch him too, you just go, holy shit, his arm is amazing. He has an incredible arm.


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[Assistant] Incredible arm strength and really incredible accuracy. I mean, when he sees it and knows that's where he wants to throw, he hits the target. He does. And does all that. The other thing that's amazing about him, you know, throwing with sexiness or flair, the sidearms, the awkward throws, damn, he's up there with the best in football at that.


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[Assistant] I mean, he's, he's like Rodgers a few years ago or Allen or Mahomes now. I mean, they, they throw, I mean, it's almost like half the throws are sidearm.


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[Assistant] You know, because they're, they're moving or in some awkward position and it's just, it's natural to them. They don't even think about it. So they just go, well, I gotta get it through there. Boom. Let me do that. So that's where I think people don't give him his respect. You know, his arm is strong. He is accurate.


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[Assistant] The problem this year, okay, why he falls a little bit.


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[Assistant] Is, he didn't see the field or make decisions as well as he did in years past. There's no doubt about that. And maybe that's because yeaah, you know, they had some injuries and they couldn't run the ball. There was a little more on his plate. But I think, you know, the one thing that jumped out to me, and especially as the year went along, is he, he got greedy.


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[Assistant] And that's why I think you saw more mistakes. You saw more balls and incompletions and balls hit the ground. And I think it was a little bit because he was trying to make


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[Assistant] If you just played it by the book a little bit more, listen, Tyler Huntley, that's what he did at the end of the year and that's why it looked good. He played it by the book a little bit. You know, his talent is not Lamar Jackson.


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[Assistant] So you just go like, Mark, can you just play it by the book a little bit, and then throw a splash of your magic on there. Damn.


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[Assistant] So, yes, I think that's the big thing that I took away from the year more than anything last year. He really went through a spell of


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[Assistant] Bad decisions and some errant throws, but I didn't look at the throws and going, oh, he's losing control of the ball. A lot of the errant throws, I just went,


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[Assistant] He's throwing the ball into a tight window, or there's three people there, and he's realizing it as he's throwing it, and then he's gotta like, trying to throw it in the ground, or throw it out of bounds, or, you know, he does throw it, the ball bounces in the air. But he was a less, lesser of a decision maker, a little too forceful, and, and maybe, uh, you know, I don't wanna say selfish, but,


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[Assistant] It's amazing. Josh Allen's up there too. It's amazing, yeaah. There are guys where you watch the games and you go, damn, he lowered his shoulder seven times this game. I mean, that's where, you know, it's really impressive. Uhm, the other thing too we gotta talk about when you talk about the positives of him,


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[Assistant] I mean, he's up there again with what you talk about, the effect on the team, leadership of the team.


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[Assistant] And he's special. I feel like most of the team will eat out of his hand like a baby bird. I mean, he's the man. He's an urban legend. He's a real legend. He's whatever. So that is real too. The Ravens think they can win every game.


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[Assistant] They walk in the field. One, they're the Ravens and they think they're the baddest motherf**kers on the planet. But then the other thing is they have Lamar Jackson and they go, he's gonna pull it out. He'll win it for us.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, yeaah. Tylen Wallace is a Oklahoma State guy who's, you know, was a middle round guy. Yes, I mean listen, this is something they're gonna have to deal with. I think they're gonna have to be one of those teams that might have to just draft a receiver every year in the draft. Like we talk about good running teams that might have to draft a running back every year.


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[Assistant] Because, I don't know, again, yeaah, they're, they're centered around their run game, and Lamar's gonna make plays, and of course, hey, Lamar went in trouble, he's gonna look to run a lot. He's been able to get out of trouble like that his whole life. Why, why would he change down?


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[Assistant] So yes, the big free agent wide receivers of the world are not going to be beating the door down to go to Baltimore. Definitely not.


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[Assistant] So hopefully within, I think that's why they're collecting tight ends, and then they got, you know, some young weapon-like receivers, that they're gonna make that kind of work that way. Maybe then worrying about, let's always go out and get the 20 million dollar a year receiver and free agency, I think they're gonna do it a little bit of a different way.


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[Assistant] And why he's the man. Your leader needs to be there.


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[Assistant] I've heard Lamar Jackson say he wants to win Super Bowls. He wants to win a bunch of Super Bowls. I mean, I think there was a time where he was like, I want to be like Brady. You remember him saying that early in his career? Well, Brady wouldn't be missing OTAs in year four of his career. I just, that's where I want to say to some of these young quarterbacks. They always, I hear like, ah, I want to be like Brady. I want to have a career like Brady. Well, then do what Brady does.


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[Assistant] Brady didn't miss an OTA until he had played in four Super Bowls and, you know, started to get married and then started to miss a few OTAs. But then things didn't go that great in 2010 and 11 and 12. And you know what he started to doing? I'm gonna be back at OTAs. I'm gonna get a little bit better and we need this.


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[Assistant] That's where, just from the football standpoint, I just don't get it. I don't at all.


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[Assistant] You know, I, first off, I hope he knows I like him. I mean, you know me long enough to me, I'm, I'm...


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[Assistant] I'm rooting for you, and I want you to be there, because I think it's the best thing. I know I don't know what's best, I know. I'm a guy, again, I'm just talking head on TV, but I've been around the league for a long time, and I grew up in it.


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[Assistant] And to me, yes, the best thing he could do for himself, his team, everything is to be there. There's no doubt. That's just the way I feel about it. Do I respect his decision not to be there? I do. Do I, I'm not, I'm not like sitting here going, well, I don't think he's working. I know he works. I know he loves football.


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[Assistant] But there's just only so many opportunities you get to be with your team. You know, you got a new, you got some new guys. Marquise Brown is in there. You got young receivers you just talked about who most people don't even know of. Right? So that's where I want to go. That's where it's important. And you're Lamar freaking Jackson.


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[Assistant] You're the leader of that team and I'm going to talk about you because you're Lamar freaking Jackson. And you're the biggest, one of the biggest stars in the sport. So of course we're going to talk about you. You know, I didn't like that he said that at the end. I want to be like, well, yeaah.


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[Assistant] But you're the man. And we've talked about every other quarterback who hasn't been at OTAs either.


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[Assistant] So, that's where I tweeted back at him. I don't know if we have the tweet or not. But either way, I basically what you just said. I basically just said that. Yeah. And again, I'm rooting for him. I do. But, uh, I do think that he needs to be there.


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[Assistant] I do. And again, I know people are going, well he needs to, he can't go until he gets paid and gets a contract. They're trying to give him a contract, he won't


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[Assistant] Talk to it. So that, that argument doesn't work all the way.


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[Assistant] You know, if you're, if they're trying to give you a contract and you won't talk about it or do it, like they're trying to give you the financial security. And I, from all the accounts, I don't think they're trying to screw him over. They're trying to pay him right in the market he should be in.


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[Assistant] So, that's where I just, I pushed back again. Again, it comes from a place of love. I really do mean that. I'm a big fan of Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens. I really am.


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[Assistant] No doubt, and he has, he has all that ability to do that stuff. It's just, it's just, uh, again, last year


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[Assistant] It was not his best year. He's got incredible talent, we know that, but yes, I thought decision making, uhm, being a little too greedy and forcing balls, it cost them. It cost them some games, it cost them some points and some moments of where they can control games because, you know, he just wasn't quite on his game in that department.


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[Assistant] I'm sick, I'm a little sick of the athlete of like...


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[Assistant] Why are you talking about me? I'm doing great. Wait, why are you talking about me? I'm not doing great. Be quiet. I'm not doing great. Shut up. Don't talk about me. I'm kinda sick of that. I'm kinda sick of the athlete taking that angle. Like, that's this whole business. It's around because people talk about you. And if you're a star, people are gonna talk about you.


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[Assistant] A guy got f***ing slapped in the outfield of a baseball game over fantasy football. Shut up! We're paying attention to it. Like, stop!


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[Assistant] It's like, it's a new athlete disease right now. Like, only talk to me when it's really good. If it's not, ignore it and just gloss over it. Which is why Jack, but Jack.


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[Assistant] Hey, it's, it's, uh, yeah, Pete's going to Kyler Boller special. That's what got Kyle Boller drafted before me, except he did this and threw it through the goalpost. Oh, so even longer than 50. He threw it at 60-something, right.


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[Assistant] Uhm, hey, listen, Lamar's got a gifted arm. We know that. I've talked about it. I don't think this is really anything special. I don't. I mean...


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[Assistant] I think that every quarterback in the top 10 we have here can throw the ball 50 yards from a knee, right? I mean, I, I, I no doubt about it. And, uh, well, he's two, he goes, he's not in the top 10. He hasn't made it there yet.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, exactly right, exactly. But yeaah, I would think most could do that. I would think someone like...