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[Assistant] No, Eagles. Eagles Dolphins. Dolphins, yeaah. And the one thing that jumped out at me at the, when the game was over, I think my biggest takeaway was,


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[Assistant] Again, we talked about how great defense can trump a great offense. The Eagles took the number one rated offense and it wasn't even close. The difference between the Dolphins offense and everybody else was a canyon.


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[Assistant] They beat him with great defense. They shut him down and they did it with great defense. They shut down a defense, an offense that


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[Assistant] Even when the, I think the Bills allowed 20 to the Dolphins. The Bills shoved them down with defense too, but also just scored like it was going crazy.


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[Assistant] What's funny is they gave up 38 points and took the ball away four times.


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[Assistant] There was some weird results. I didn't see Detroit absolutely rolling over them, demolished. I thought Baltimore would win. I didn't think


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[Assistant] I used to be, uh, field goal for the Browns, even extra points, used to be edge of the seat drama. Now I'm like, yeah, he's got this.


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[Assistant] Now, now if the Browns can go out and find at quarterback what they found at kicker, because we made a list of the kickers that were available, and I guess McNuggets had his name on one of the lists way down at the bottom. He was one of the ten. But we, he never got any real discussion from us. We, I thought they went outside D-Hop.


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[Assistant] So if anybody told you that we needed D-hop at the beginning of the season, the kicker and not the wide receiver, you'd be like, what? But that's the way it's worked out.


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[Assistant] You're gonna cut your, how much is he owed in his last, against the cap? What did his cap hit years four and five?


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[Assistant] That's huge! Uhm, what was your point before, before Kaz? You, you, you, were you talking about? Waterback. Watson moving on from Watson.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah. I mean- Donovan Peoples-Jones? No, yeaah, Donovan Peoples-Jones. Why is he still returning puns?


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[Assistant] Because he had four returns for 40 yards.


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[Assistant] It goes up a little but with the Browns on extra points, I was, I had to stand up.


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[Assistant] You know when you stand up and you're watching the game and you stand up? That's a big play. You're standing up. With the Browns on extra points, I would stand up. I don't think I got off my chair. I was fine.


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[Assistant] Again, I can't stress this enough. They've been playing this sport for 100 years? 75 years? What year is this? The 75th year? I don't know. No kicker.


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[Assistant] Out of all the hundreds that have done it, probably thousands, no kicker has ever had five straight games with at least a 50 yard field goal.


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[Assistant] What I know, for your coach to say, go on out there and do it, you gotta have confidence.


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[Assistant] But let's quickly, not a big discussion, just a quick roundtable.


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[Assistant] One name that you're calling to bring in for a workout this week.


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[Assistant] I'm going Jacoby Brissett as well. He's got instant, he'll come in, he'll be able to start in Seattle.


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[Assistant] Okay, I mean, it may be wrong, but I would think it would be low because even if it was pro-rated, if he's 20 million, we're not halfway through the season. For who?


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[Assistant] That's insane to want. The reason I dismiss it out of hand is because as soon as he said, I'm not going anywhere, I said, no, you just said you dismissed it out of hand because of the money. Yes.


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[Assistant] We do have one quarterback that has playoff experience that we're talking about. I just asked Mikey for his numbers.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's the guy we're talking about. What has he done?


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[Assistant] The diagnosis of a micro tear after we heard what the American meteorology or medical blah blah blah. Yeah. Orthopedic surgeons. To me?


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[Assistant] I changed my way of thinking this morning when I saw that.


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[Assistant] I thought, well God, if it can't heal while he's throwing the ball, you're shutting him down.


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[Assistant] I think one of the things that was most disappointing to me was the throw that the second interception, which was overturned, came on.


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[Assistant] He was running away from his arm side and throwing the ball against the grain. Those are picks in the NFL. Those are picks. And the fact that he thought he could make that throw


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[Assistant] The injury that he has, I think, I think Stefanski said, yeah, I got to get him out of there because he's playing with a head of an old Deshaun Watson and he's not taking into effect what his arm can do today.


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[Assistant] By the way, did you see that player was fined for physical and verbally accosting one of these unaffiliated doctors? No, I didn't see that. It happened yesterday.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the fine was announced yesterday. I think it was like $5,000 or $50,000. What about 50? 50 something. He put his hands on and was verbally berating this independent doctor.


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[Assistant] It was 50,000. I just want to throw that in there real quick. It was Jamal Adams. It happened during the Bengals game. The, so, the, you know, the Seahawks.


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[Assistant] Brought him into the tent. The concussion doctor looked at him and said no, you're not going. And he, uh, berated.


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[Assistant] They're not, uh, they're not taking that lightly. Like he is the last word as to whether or not the player gets back into the game and they ruled that he shouldn't play and he didn't like it.


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[Assistant] Well I think on the telecast they said they picked up the flag because the pass was completed behind the line of scrimmage.


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[Assistant] Did you guys see that? I think it was either at halftime or after the game they were reading his get-off stats.


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[Assistant] He's a .5. And then they talked about... He said a Ferrari was like a .2. No, an Olympic Sprinter is a .2. Wow. And, uh, there was another, a Formula One driver was .3.


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[Assistant] Anything from Stefanski? What was the most notable thing from Stefanski? That he actually- That he benched his quarterback. Yeah, right.


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[Assistant] Seattle sacked the Giants quarterbacks 11 times. 11 times. Oh no no no. You're not doing this. And it's at Seattle? No. Yea, you're not doing this.


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[Assistant] I don't either. That's why I'm saying, that's why I said, I, I, I just...


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[Assistant] And do you remember the, do you remember the scene on the field at the preseason game when the Browns were


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[Assistant] You know what you do, it's one of those situations where you just put your nose down and you try to plow through it, because if you just look at all of the evidence that's put us to where we are at this point,


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[Assistant] Just the fact that you lost Nick Chubb. We've moved on from that, but guess what? The problem hasn't fixed itself. The play has been okay, but it's not like it would be if you had Nick Chubb. Then your right tackle is gone. You've got a myriad, how many injuries? Three or four from yesterday's game that are on the injury report?


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[Assistant] So, and they're key players, guys you don't want to miss. It's like, but somehow, someway, this team just keeps winning and finds themselves 4-2. Now the other thing we haven't talked about, which needs to be,


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[Assistant] Four and two, in most divisions, puts you comfortably in first or second place. In this division, you're in third, and you're a game ahead of the Bengals who are coming hard now.


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[Assistant] So, I mean, what's it gonna take to win this division?


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[Assistant] For the third time in four weeks, teams have handed the Steelers a win. And you know what? You're right. And I keep saying this about Los Angeles and I'm gonna stick to it. I know they spent a lot of money on that stadium and I don't know what the hell they're gonna do with it.


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[Assistant] They made the trip to LA for the game. They sent us pictures. The play, it was, it was, it looked like whatever the hell their new stadium is called.


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[Assistant] And it just scares me to death that they're going into that environment where you can't hear, you can't audible, you can't check. So if you want to, you know, change something in Pass Pro, good luck.


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[Assistant] In fact, Jason, I would argue that his contract is a hindrance to him getting back on the field. Because you're trying to protect the asset. Yes! That's exactly right! Why would you put him out there?


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[Assistant] But, but, but there's also no rush for Deshaun to get back out there. Deshaun said yesterday, after the game.


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[Assistant] After he was told his coach said you're a gull, we'll see.


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[Assistant] In terms of unlikely storylines, which isn't that, you know, everybody says the NFL doesn't write these storylines because you couldn't make up these storylines from that world.


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[Assistant] Jadavia and Clowney, this is random thought, is ballin' this year. NFL Network did a thing on him Friday.


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[Assistant] Is there a list of teams in the NFL wide receiver touchdowns?


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[Assistant] Because a lot of other teams are getting crappy play from quarterbacks. Not this crappy. No, we're dead laps. We are dead laps. We should look at that. But I would like to know, like, what are the teams that are ranked 31st, 30th, 29th, 28th in total QBR? Like, how many?


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[Assistant] Drive, stand, the penalties. It was a lot of fun. Make sure you guys go check it out. We got a lot to talk about today and we're going to start with the quarterbacks before we do that.


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[Assistant] Dead last in the NFL in QBL, passer rating and completion percentage above expected.


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[Assistant] And this is from the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons. Okay. It comes from a dot org, so it's not a fake dot com reliable source. I'm going to read quote.


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[Assistant] Even though most tears cannot heal on their own.


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[Assistant] You can achieve good function without surgery. If however, you are active or use your arm for overhead work or sports, surgery is most often required because many tails will not heal without surgery if under constant tension. And that's exactly what he's under constant tension.


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[Assistant] We'll move on to Kevin Stefanski in one sec, but just want to make sure we're all on the record with this. Are we all in agreement? And I believe we are, but just for the, for transparency, PJ Walker is not it, right? Is anyone?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I got one more read. We'll talk a little defense if you missed it. We alluded to it earlier. The two minute warning post game you see at that show.


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[Assistant] Live dramatic. It does not get better than we've had the last two weeks with the San Francisco miss field goal. The Browns punching in with 15 seconds left. You can see live reaction. You could see G's initial take, which he has now walked back on about Kevin Stefanski in the moment in the heat on our YouTube channel over 30,000 already. We appreciate.


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[Assistant] Everybody who tuned in and watched, if you haven't, it's time to go back and check in. Bull actually hopped in at the very end of it.


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[Assistant] He did it from a defensive stance. I know he did. He wasn't standing. It wasn't a running start. That was from a defensive stance. It's unbelievable. Three points on the ground. I don't know that there's another player that could ever.


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[Assistant] Speaking of trick plays and a little tease for tomorrow, we have Jay Gruden who we've taken an interview with this Saturday. Phenomenal. He's great. Jason and Bull came in with really insightful stuff. Great. And he talked about-


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[Assistant] Jay, question for you real quick. Come here and talk about Dustin Hopkins and we'll get to the rest of this stuff. But defensively speaking, Miles Garrett obviously was phenomenal yesterday. The rest of the defense, not up to par with what we've seen through the first five weeks. Do you look at what happened against Indianapolis as an anomaly?


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[Assistant] Some sort of blueprint on how to attack this Jim Schwartz style defense or just a blip in the radar for a team that finally returned to more of the median as opposed to their superhuman status.


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[Assistant] We're posting one of those a day on our Twitter page. Make sure you guys check it out. Fans don't official partner of the NFL and official partner of the ultimate Cleveland sports show guys, Dustin Hopkins.


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[Assistant] No words. Shows up to work. His weakness was he can't kick 50 yarders and now he has the NFL record for most consecutive games with a 50 yard make.


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[Assistant] First off, the Browns, since Phil Dawson, have struggled to be consistent in that position, right? And then some teams just seemed to find a plethora of it. So the Chargers decided to move on from Dustin Hopkins. They kept Cameron Dicker instead. Well, Dicker's third in the NFL with a 90% connection rate.


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[Assistant] He's only missed from 59 yards. He's only missed on the season. He's 16 to 16 on extra points. So that team fell into two very good kicking situations. Got it right. I asked them on the post game show yesterday, I asked G and Earl.


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[Assistant] When Dustin Hopkins walks up and is lining up a deep field goal, we'll use the last one, for example, last night, the 54 yarder. Are you calm?


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[Assistant] It would cost about five and a half, six million for the rest of the year.


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[Assistant] Why? Because it's only what his base salary is and I'll throw it off his base salary. What's his base salary? 10 million dollars. Okay, so,


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[Assistant] He's won one of them. One and four. He has five touchdowns, one interception.


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[Assistant] It's really four games, he only threw ten passes and one in relief. So, he's one in three, five touchdowns, one interception.


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[Assistant] So Jason, what else did you find out post game in the locker room that you might be able to, uh, give some insight in?


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[Assistant] They have to have that same point. Gee, you can't say it's difficult to pick the Browns with PJ Walker when you literally pick the Browns with PJ Walker to beat San Francisco. You pick the Browns every week. They were in home.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Anthony's gonna bring, I'm gonna read some super chats real quick, and then he'll give us a few minutes at the end for Bolt to, uh, plug what he wants to plug here. And we got a bunch of them, so bear with me, but whenever we read you super chats, guys, it's brought to us by our dear friends at PCC Air Force, looking for a job with a career in great...


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[Assistant] If I'm a Colts fan, you're like, you're going to score 38 points and Deshawn's not going to make it out the first quarter. Sick. And you're going to win.


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[Assistant] I'd be like, yeah, easy money. I'm betting the house on it. Turned out to be. So next super chat comes from Kenneth. You blousky. You blout. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I super chatted what it would take to get percent a few weeks ago and y'all laughed at me and said it's not gonna happen.


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[Assistant] Jeffrey Anderson says, if we remain at status quo at quarterback, the season is over. Nick H says, is Kaepernick worth a workout? Stop it.


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[Assistant] What do I have to do for Victory Mondays? You guys give me a challenge, maybe a polar plunge, a hot pepper challenge, et cetera. I'll record it and send it in. I'll do this the whole season and post season if they win. Nice. Love you guys. So we'll think about that hyper frosty. We will get back to you. That is a great idea. Always balling seven says felt like the Colts ran a lot of motion and crossing patterns. Browns, it seems like play a decent amount of man to man coverage. Kudos to India. It was a good game plan.


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[Assistant] I think offensively Shane Syken did drop some, uh, some interesting ways to attack that Cleveland defense. He did run a lot of motion. They did, ton.


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[Assistant] Uh, something I noticed about our defense against Indy, Indy used the snap count to great effect and caught us sleeping. Second, they relied heavily on RPOs, which exploited our defense and man coverage.


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[Assistant] Stiking comes from Philly, heavy RPO, heavy motion offense. James Bowen said, Oh, I don't understand why the bounds don't incorporate the tush push that the Eagles are using in short yardage. It's unstoppable.


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[Assistant] Or mac dog says Watson needs to stop playing hero ball and learn to be a game manager by taking what the defense gives him. Rest Watson, bring back Jacobi. Miles Garrett is that dude, he's Superman, up up and away.


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[Assistant] Brady says, Newsom looks tiny out there, the dude can't tackle. Scott Jenkins said Deshaun Watson's guaranteed money can be avoided if he's suspended for two plus games. I would trade him to Washington straight up for Jacoby now and sign cousins slash a vet in 2024.


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[Assistant] Kevin Robinson says they will play Deshaun up until the trade deadline.


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[Assistant] Peter R says, I traveled to India and Cleveland represented tons of Browns fans in the stadium. Go Brownies.


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[Assistant] And last but not least comes from Steve J. Can we get off the receivers backs? What do y'all expect from DPJ Amore with no quarterbacks? We see yesterday Amore didn't do anything. To be honest, it's probably not his fault either.


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[Assistant] There is one other team in the NFL that only has one touchdown pass to a receiver. The other 30 have multiple, but there's one other team besides the Brown that only has one. Can you name it?


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[Assistant] It is Friday, guys. I am hyped. We got a huge show planned, and we have some news this morning. Quarterback related includes Joe Flacco. Before we get to that,


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[Assistant] Then right this minute, the app is so easy to use and they have a wide range of betting options, including spreads, player props, over-unders, and much, much more.


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[Assistant] So visit FanDuel.com slash UCSS to kick off the NFL season. FanDuel, an official partner of the NFL, an official partner of the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. And we talked about all the different things FanDuel offers. Well, how about this bet you couldn't bet on yesterday? And our guy, Kyle Shula won. He bet $5 on both teams to score in every quarter of Thursday Night Football. No way. 12 to 1. Bet 5, 160. Wow. Shout out to Kyle Shula.


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[Assistant] That's what Fandil has, player props and fun little oddball bets like this.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's 12 to 1 odds, so. Yeah. Or 11 to 1 odds, essentially. That's, that's pretty cool. That is a fun bet. Yeah.


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[Assistant] No, he hasn't done anything near that since. But in the 2012 playoffs, and I looked this up because I remembered it being good. I didn't think he had a turnover. This good. In four games, he threw for 285 yards a game, 11 touchdowns, no interceptions with a 147 QB. That's nuts.


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[Assistant] For, for example, and this is just the actual cap hit this year of players who make more than 12, uh, more than $8 million. So more this year based on the restructures than Jacoby Percet makes is only Denzel, Garrett and Cooper and Deshaun.


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[Assistant] That make more than eight. In the cap hit according to SpoTrack right now.


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[Assistant] And I'll let, uh, Bull, do you want to actually set this up? You and I have talked about this. It's TJ Watt versus Myles Garrett. And, uh, there's been a little flip-flopping and I'm curious now where everyone stands on this discussion. There'll be more flip-flopping.


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[Assistant] They're always in the mix. It's crazy. We're going to bring Quincy Carrier here one sec. I have a stat at least last year, but I did a really quick search, but last season in 2022, Miles Garrett was double teamed on 37% of his past rush attempts. TJ Watt was at 26, so 11% more. That's a huge difference. And with that,


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[Assistant] Let's welcome in our, uh, one of our favorite Browns YouTube hosts on the inner web. It is Quincy Carey. What's up, Quincy?


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[Assistant] So, against Baltimore, they had 12 Russian tanks for 31 yards under center. Which not very good, 2.6 per carry. Right. But from the gun.


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[Assistant] 2.4 under center, 6.1 from the gun. Now obviously more sample size, 24 to 12, but they were significantly more effective from the run and that's important.


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[Assistant] I went back and watched all the wrong plays to do that myself.


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[Assistant] They're most likely not going to play and coach time is coming up in the TV show in a few minutes as a coach time is breakdown on why.


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[Assistant] Thornhill has been so important to this Browns defense, how McLeod can step up in his shoes. They also, the Browns hired Bill Musgrave this off season as an offensive analyst who specialized in the shotgun run game. It hadn't been great earlier this season. I'll do some digging for the numbers, but against Baltimore was at its best. Second stat of the day.


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[Assistant] It's Jekyll and Hyde, Kenny Pickett, and it makes, frankly, not a ton of sense. In the first half of games this season, he's been completely average.


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[Assistant] And more importantly than anything else, trailing in the fourth quarter with four minutes to go.


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[Assistant] He's 10 at 12 passing, 176 yards, two touchdowns, a 56.3 quarterback rating. The highest you get is a 50, uh, 158.2. Damn near perfect. And in 22 career games, he has seven game when he drives. It doesn't make a ton of sense. I can't really explain it, but he's at his best in the last couple of minutes of the game.


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[Assistant] Alright, next up is a little love for a guy, David Njoku. This season, he's 9th in the NFL in terms of tight ends and targets. He averages 6 per game.


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[Assistant] But he's also first among all NFL tight ends in yards after catch, yards after catch average.


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[Assistant] And he's missed, uh, forced 13 missed tackles, first in the NFL. And that goes back to what Bullseye did the other day, when he carried Gino Stone 17 yards down the field against Baltimore, and kinda established his physical dominance.


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[Assistant] Me and Tavis did the Njoku strong workout. I'm guessing that's where part of the strength comes from. But this dude has been the hardest tight end of football to tackle. And he has been one of the most important and irreplaceable players in this Brown's offense, especially with the uncertainty of quarterback. And Njoku deserves some love because he's been phenomenal last couple of weeks.


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[Assistant] Alright, next up, this one is, uh, this is weird because it makes no sense to me, but the Steelers are 6-3 this year.


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[Assistant] They have six, one score wins. All six wins, they've trailed. They've been outgained in all nine games. I can't find a stat, an analytic. This makes no sense. There's no logical explanation. They should be six and three. They're probably more, if you look at the numbers, a three and six football team, not a six and three football team, but somehow I do it in the picture.


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[Assistant] But you look at the numbers of this team, it's a three and six football team, not a six and six football team.


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[Assistant] He has 16 tackles for loss or no game this season. That's title first in the NFL with Brett Warner. Wow. It's already career high. That is absolutely unbelievable. He's on base this season to set career best in tackles, sacks, tackle for loss, which he's already set.


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[Assistant] Fewest mistackles. That says mistackles, but it's fewest.


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[Assistant] He's only missed one tackle this season. He's missed at least eight in his each first of his first two and fewest completions allowed. He's only allowed six completions against. It was in the twenties and thirties, which is pretty standard for a linebacker. That's actually not on, it's not a bad number. Right.


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[Assistant] All right, Mike, uhm, is that your last stat? That is my last stat, and we are, uh, we actually have a special surprise for you guys here, but in 10 minutes we go to WKYC, so make sure you guys tune into.


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[Assistant] Us on WKYC, it is brand new content, never seen before because we haven't done it yet, as Jay so eloquently pointed out earlier, but it is 30 minutes. We're talking about Ken DTR, outdoor picker. We're talking about the home field advantage the Browns have brought back this season. Is this a gotta have win?


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[Assistant] Plus coach Tyvis and some no-fence riders. You guys are going to love it. Make sure you tune in and uh, guys, look who we found.


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[Assistant] Well, you know what? I will, hopefully I get a chance to see Cory cause I'm gonna be in Rutgers for the Big Ten tailgate show this week. Oh my gosh. Well listen, I'll have


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[Assistant] The only time you don't have to look around is if you're going in with your significant other. That's like if I go, if I have to go into like the beauty store, like altar or something like that. If I'm with my wife, I just walk in, but if it's like me going in there, like.


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[Assistant] He actually was a solid guy. Really good guy. Got in there really to command offense. I mean, obviously we got to see what he did with Carolina last year after Baker. My thing is, my only thing about... Those numbers are not pretty. No, not at all. But my only thing, my only thing about him...


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[Assistant] Or about anybody between the two quarterbacks is that it all depends on what Kevin Stefanski does with the game plan. That ultimately comes out because


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[Assistant] G says that he missed a ton of throws. It was people wide open and he just kept missing it.


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[Assistant] For him to go in there and get thrown in that fire like that. Nah, I'm not saying he should be the starter. I definitely think with the, with San Francisco coming in there.


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[Assistant] You don't wanna, you don't wanna throw him in there in San Francisco and let him just completely, cause he's already down right now from last week before. You throw him in there with the wolves with San Francisco, he might jump off the edge. So you need to keep his confidence up a little bit and let PJ Walker go in there that got some experience that at least


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[Assistant] Can know how to call an auto boy out of stuff, or at least can recognize coverage or recognize, okay, they're running cover two, this is where I'm supposed to go with the ball. Instead of just being locked in on one guy if he's not there taking on the running.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you this. This is actually, it's open to the floor. Do you think it would mess his, VTR's mental up more if they start PJ Walker?


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[Assistant] Or, do you think it'd mess him up more if he goes out against Sam Fran and gets absolutely killed?


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[Assistant] They got the number one pass block in ES, according to ESPN.


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[Assistant] Listen, y'all know what the situation is on the offensive side of the ball, so you gotta be great. That's the only way. Not asking for much.


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[Assistant] From a team standpoint, I think that if you was to go into the browse organization and ask the team, team meeting just players only, who y'all want to start, I think.


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[Assistant] Defendively, they'll say DTR over PJ Walker. Cause he's been there.


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[Assistant] Well, Kyle is a, he is an offensive genius, I tell you that. The one thing I liked about Kyle Shanahan as a coach is that he taught everybody. Like, it wasn't one of those things where he was trying to hide what he was doing. He like would have team meetings where he'd be like, listen, team meeting room, he'd go over to play and be like,


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[Assistant] This is what they're gonna do. This is what we're gonna do to beat it.


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[Assistant] And if they cover that, don't worry, this'll be open. If they cover that, this is open. So there'll be so many times out on practice field, so, you know, when we go out to practice, we would do this, this, uh, this defensive segment where Kyle Shanahan would become the quarterback. Now he'd be throwing to the interns and stuff like that. And he'd go through his progressions and we'd be like, man, we got that covered. He'd be like,


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[Assistant] You see this guy right here wide open. So he was always keeping the defense on their toes and helping them become advanced because he was always figuring out ways to


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[Assistant] Get scheme guys open. And what I like about his offense is


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[Assistant] He does a great job of trying to keep everything looking the same. So there's really no tail on exactly what's about to come.


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[Assistant] And I thought, you know, when I looked at it, I'm like, man, this is kind of interesting. Going up against it for two years and practice every day.


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[Assistant] I would sit there as a corner and be like, man, I really don't know if they're going to run the ball or pass because it all looks the same. And I think that kind of makes him rip very good. Because the key thing he does is put your linebackers in the bind. That's like the key.


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[Assistant] If you can put them linebackers in a bind where they can't figure out if it's run or pass, then it leaves both things open.


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[Assistant] And the reason that disformation is so tricky is because they keep the wide receivers tight to the line. So what does that do? Is it discourages the corners from pressing. Okay, so now they're playing off. If I'm playing corner against them, I'm pressing everything.


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[Assistant] Why? Because Brock Purdy is a timing quarterback. McNuggets told me- So disrupt their timing. Exactly. McNuggets told me that Brock Purdy is what in passing? Or in timing?


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[Assistant] So which means that we know he doesn't have the strongest arm, so it's not like if you make the, if the plays is going down the field, it's literally play action or three step drop, boom, the ball is out because it has to be there on time. He gonna put it in the spot.


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[Assistant] And they want to press. So, you see the formation. Now, what makes it so tricky is I'm gonna give you two plays. I'm gonna give you a run play and a pass play. First play we're gonna talk about is this run play, right?


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[Assistant] So, I seen this against, uh, when they went up against Dallas. What they do is, same formation, everybody, it looks the same. But what he does is, he throws a pitch to, to CMC. CMC catches the pitch.


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[Assistant] Why is that tricky? Because as a linebacker, your eyes have to flow back. So it's a classic misdirection. You gotta come back with it. And it creates two extra gaps over it. So now, if your gap is right here,


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[Assistant] Or right here, you gotta skip two gaps. Skip that, skip that, and you gotta end up over here because everybody has to kick over.


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[Assistant] And that's hard to do on the fly. Now you'll see it with the Y. You'll see the Y rock back. You're like, okay, I need to push back a gap. But with Juice doing what he's doing, going up first, you don't expect him to also go lead blah. So now it's a misconception that you gotta rock back two gaps.


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[Assistant] And that's where they get you on this. It's a pitch back to CMC, so CMC can freely look at it. He can go here or he's free to go wherever, but his two lead blocks is going this way. So this is why this play is tricky. And as a linebacker, if you're already worried about that,


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[Assistant] In a run game. Now, let's talk about what it looks like in the past.


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[Assistant] Exactly, so now you rocking back and you thinking you gotta fit the run, boom, he just runs to the flats, he runs the play action. If this linebacker is so busy trying to rock back, they gonna run this bang eight right here. Now if your corner's playing off, he gonna run it in.


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[Assistant] 7 step, it's a 7 step, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 step plant balls coming out. Sometimes the quarterback don't even finish the play action. Sometimes he just flash it like this, turn around and throw it. Cause all he needs is that linebacker to either slide this way or come down.


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[Assistant] That's A-Rod and Nathaniel Hackett. They, you know, they just, together they're really good, but apart, they're not that great.


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[Assistant] Well, it comes from, well it starts with the, with the linebacker crew as I mentioned. You know, we, if you're gonna play cover three or cover one.


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[Assistant] Mainly cover three in this. You have to have what they're called high price hookers. That's what you need. What? That's what we call them. High price hookers. High price? High priced. No.


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[Assistant] Which is hard, because like I say, that CMC thing is gonna really kill you. So you need that defense. Listen, you went out there and you got these two defensive tackles for reasons like this. You need them to ensure that they're gonna stop CMC. Which is tough. That's a tough ass. It's not like you're gonna stop them every play.


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[Assistant] But if you can at least buy your linebacker's time to get a full run pass op read on what it is, maybe they can get to their drops and be able to be effective in it. We know Brock Purdy don't have the strongest arm, but he does have great touch on his football. He can get it right over your linebacker's head.


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[Assistant] So you gotta be able to do that. And it comes down to them corners. Them corners have to press. I know we is, is so discouraging to press a reduced split because you, you fear that you won't see the cracks.


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[Assistant] You feel like if you won't be able to see if he cracking or if he running the over route, you feel like you're going to be confused, but trust me.


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[Assistant] I'm like second, like a San Francisco fan, right?


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[Assistant] So my question, my thing for you, so Tua is like that too then. Tua is really great in the NFL. I love Tua. He's a top 10 quarterback. Top 10!


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[Assistant] But we've seen Tool without Tyreek Hill and Jay Lovato, and he wasn't impressive at all.


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[Assistant] Dis! I'm curious, when did, uh, when did you see Tua not play good? I'm just...


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[Assistant] Low, when you look at, you know, at the tackle position, we had a lot of guys that came out, the Browns have drafted guys that play right tackle, and they're trying to transition them to left tackle.


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[Assistant] How hard is that and what do, what is the qualities that you must have to be able to be successful to make that transition?


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[Assistant] In their eyes, they felt, he's getting some work, work with the ones, he'll get some chemistry through this. The problem that occurs is that the game plan didn't change. That's where...


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[Assistant] So usually when you're in a locker room like this, something of that magnitude happens. The word has spread around about what the situation is with the quarterback. The only thing that's alarming is when DTR says, I know as much as you guys know. That's like, you're the backup quarterback, how don't you know?


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[Assistant] So that's the only, that's the only concerning part about it.


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[Assistant] It was something Mary Kay had tweeted the video of him talking.


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[Assistant] Hey everybody, here we are at the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. It's a Monday. I know people are feeling a little down today because of


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[Assistant] It's not even, and we've got Earl in today, by the way. We've got Jason in today. Earl is in for Gene Bush, who is not feeling well. It seems like once a month, Gene Bush has got, you know, he's got all these messed up injuries from football. So once a month he can't move, basically. No, you're right, you're right. It's like once a month he can't move, and so he can't drive, he can't come into work.


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[Assistant] Hopefully he'll feel better tomorrow because it was funny because I'm not going to divulge the conversation.


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[Assistant] Uh, but she, I got a call from G. Bush at 11 o'clock last night. He never calls. I'm not a big, you know, I'm not a big caller either, but, but like he doesn't call at all. And he just called me out of blue at 11 o'clock last night. And I'm like, I was like, what is going on?


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[Assistant] And we talked for a little bit, but anyway, he was doing alright last night, but obviously this morning he woke up, he was messed up. Uh, but here's the thing guys, and we'll start with Jason, and for me, it's not necessarily that they lost to Seattle, because I think we all expected that, it's just how they lost, that's the more painful thing.


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[Assistant] Lot to get to today. Obviously we got a three-man panel all this week. Jay's on vacation. Uh, and like I said, G. Bush not feeling well. We'll talk about the quarterback situation with the trade deadline. What is it? 4pm tomorrow?


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[Assistant] 29 hours away from the trade deadline, we'll get into that, but obviously all the quarterback situation, we will talk about the defense.


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[Assistant] We will talk about it all. Everything that happened. The whole show is about what happened yesterday's game and what the Browns may do in the next 29 hours. But before I give my initial thoughts on the game, let's go to Mikey McNuggets. You've heard from him already. Here we go, Mike.


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[Assistant] The Cooper Cup didn't do anything. The Rams were terrible. But uhm,


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[Assistant] Uh, so that's actually a good parlay because it paid a lot on five bucks and all five of those guys.


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[Assistant] None of those were long shots to score touchdown, but you still got to hit all five, but it's a pretty good payoff considering there were no long shots in that, in that mix. Also the, uh, at FanDuel, the, uh, Browns were a seven and a half point favorite against Arizona for this week. Kyler Murray is not starting.


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[Assistant] Uh, they already announced that Josh Dobbs is going to start. Calamari may start next week, but they're at least for another week.


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[Assistant] Arizona has been bad. I mean, they're the worst record than Carolina. Carolina got their first win. But my initial thoughts, and then we'll get specifically to the play call, guys.


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[Assistant] The Browns played a hell of a game, overall, right? Like, they played, they went to Seattle, it's as tough a place to play as there is in the league.


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[Assistant] They were in the, you know, doubt, when they were down 14-0 early, we probably all thought they were getting boat-raced in this game. I know, I did. Did you think that?


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[Assistant] You know, but this is the NFL. This is where we're at. And this year it feels like it's more balanced than ever. You look at the AFC.


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[Assistant] There's only one team with less than three wins in the entire AFC. And that's New England. That's it.


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[Assistant] Fifteen of the sixteen teams in the AFC are between three and six wins.


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[Assistant] It's gonna come, it's gonna be tough and this is the best division in football, you look at that.


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[Assistant] You could have argued that Kevin Stefanski had called nearly a perfect game in that game. I thought he did a tremendous job for most of the day.


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[Assistant] When that play first happened, I texted our group chat and I said, I don't like it, I don't like throwing the ball there.


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[Assistant] As I've had time to settle now, you know, 18 hours or whatever later.


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[Assistant] If I had my druthers, I still would have ran the ball there. The analytics point to it being close. Oh, you said new stuff and I didn't get a chance to look at it.


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[Assistant] The only, the difference to me there is, that first third and three, there's four minutes to go in the game. Three minutes, three forty. Right. So, there's way more time.


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[Assistant] So you need to get a first down and you have in theory a better chance to get a first down throw in the bowl.


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[Assistant] Well, it's been this way three weeks in a row, right? The Browns got the breaks against San Francisco. They got the breaks against Indianapolis. I thought all the, all the penalties went their way again yesterday. I did too. But in the end, the tip ball, the interception, they can't stop them. You know, what are you going to do?


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[Assistant] Listen, if you feel, I disagree with the play call. And I almost never, as you know, talk about play calling. It's way overblown.


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[Assistant] I would have run it because I don't trust PJ Walker in a big spot. I think he's shown you that through three weeks. We'll get to that. And we'll get to that in a second. But again, it's a toss up call. That's what he decided.


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[Assistant] That Earl just said, and I said this on my podcast yesterday. Well, you played a pretty good game.


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[Assistant] The Browns have turned the ball over at an alarming rate. Seven turnovers in the fourth quarter.


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[Assistant] There you go. Their turnover differential is minus seven. That's thirty-first in the league. You're supposed to be two and five. Oh yeah. Oh, for sure.


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[Assistant] There's no, there's no excuse in my mind, and Jason, why, why do you think the Browns are not going to trade for a quarterback?


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[Assistant] I just think Andy Dalton is a, is a veteran quarterback, played a ton of games. I don't think it's, this is not rocket science, it's football. You know, I mean, and by the way, you could, you could survive, like the Cardinals at home, even with PJ Walker, they should be able to win that game.


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[Assistant] Their defense is not playing as well as it was earlier in the season. Still a good defense. It's still a good defense, right? But it's not this historical. They got a decent running game.


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[Assistant] The AFC is very topsy-turvy. I mean, nobody looks that great.


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[Assistant] The teams look great, like the Bengals this week looked like the best team in the AFC. But that's one week. I don't know, is that what they're gonna be the rest of the season? Miami looked like the best league.


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[Assistant] Defense has seemed early in the season to be catching up with offense a little bit. I'm still not sold that that's the case and that in the second half of the year it won't be different like it was last year.


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[Assistant] Not going to Super Bowl with Jacoby Brissette. Anybody be realistic understands that. Yes. Uhm, but.


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[Assistant] If you could, if the, let's say Deshaun Watson, you could sit him for, let, you shut him out, shut him down until there's three weeks to go in the season.


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[Assistant] I think what you Kobe Brissette and the rest of the team, you could make the playoffs. I don't think they can with BJ Walker. I think that's the difference.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean. I think the difference between Reset and Walker might be a game or even two. And that could be enough to get him to play.


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[Assistant] One thing, one bit of news on the Guardians here real quick before we continue with our Browns conversation. Zach Meisel of The Athletic reports that Craig Council is in Cleveland today.


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[Assistant] Now listen, I'm not in practice, so I don't know what he looks like there.


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[Assistant] From the outside looking in, I would, I would give DTR a shot. Because PJ Walker's played three games, he's been awful. Now DTR was awful in his first game.


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[Assistant] He wasn't, you know, like his, he's a rookie, got kind of thrown in there at the last second. I think that was a tough spot. This is a great spot. It's home against Arizona. So if Watson can't go, now if DTR has been a disaster in practice, then I wouldn't do it, but I don't know that. If he's looked like he's been improving, I would give him a shot.


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[Assistant] What if you think right now, and girl I'll be at your take on DTR in one second, but what if you think...


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[Assistant] That Watson can be back for Baltimore. If the Browns think Watson can be back for Baltimore, are you more likely to stick with PJ Walker for one more week or say, let's get Dorian Thompson Robinson feeling good against one of the worst teams in the league in Arizona and then we go back to Watson.


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[Assistant] That's how bad he is. He's a practice squad emergency third string quarterback. At best. Yea. At best.


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[Assistant] And, by the way, Josh Dobbs, you know, for all the critics, Josh Dobbs sucks. He's not any good either. Alright? Nice guy.


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[Assistant] Better than PJ Walker, probably. But he's also terrible. And he's also way worse than Jacoby Brissette. And everybody wanted Jaco- everybody wanted Josh Dobbs last year.


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[Assistant] And everybody wanted, uh, DTR. We were all, everybody was all excited. And now the pro- But now you have to do something.


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[Assistant] And I, I'm not buying, I'm not accepting that they're gonna do nothing here in the next 20, and it doesn't even have to be in the next 20 something hours, cause in theory you could've signed a free agent. I think,


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[Assistant] Jason, there's no excuses to me. I don't want to hear it. If, if the Browns don't make the playoffs.


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[Assistant] You know, I had Barry and Stefanski together, but right now, like if you said to me, well, you gotta, you gotta fire one of them. To me, it's no doubt I'm firing Barry before I'm firing Stefanski.


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[Assistant] Right now. Now, I wouldn't fire either of them right now, but if I had to choose,


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[Assistant] Well, plus Jason, as part of what you're saying, sorry to cut you off, but I feel like we've had six different, uh, breakdowns of what his injury is.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I, I, I can't take, honestly right now, anybody saying Kevin Stumetsky should be fired, I can't take it seriously. I mean, I can't, that's, that's, it's ludicrous. It's absurd.


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[Assistant] The veterans on this team, the guys who have suffered through all the losing here, guys like Petonio, guys like Miles Garrett, who had a big sack late in the game. Like, they gotta be thinking like, okay, come on now. Just give us, just give us competent play.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think the bottom line is they need to add the position. Will they?


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[Assistant] And as Jason said, the players know this. The players, the veterans, they're like, you have to give us a chance.


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[Assistant] We can do it. Uh, I want to switch gears to the running games we've alluded to a little bit. Mike, could you, do you have some analytics on where the Browns running game ranks?


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[Assistant] Because rushing yards per game to me is not a good stat. I mean, yards per attempt is better, but even that's a little flawed.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I feel like the Browns have a league, are middle of the road in running game and, and some of that credit goes to the, to the, the


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[Assistant] Even he calmed down when I talked to him last night about it. Uh, at least a little bit.


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[Assistant] He's, you know, he's an emotional guy, you know, in the moment. And in the moment everybody gets frustrated, everybody gets angry.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's get into the running game, guys. Uhm.


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[Assistant] And I wanna start with Pierre Strong, cause as you guys know, I was talking all last week, I wanna see Pierre Strong, I wanna see Pierre Strong.


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[Assistant] It was a three-headed backfield with Kareem Hunt getting the most carries. We'll get to Kareem Hunt, his comments after the game. But, uh, guys, I was very impressed with what Pierre Strong did.


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[Assistant] He averaged over 4 yards to carry in his 10 carries and then he had that nice catch and run from 40 yards. All total I believe he had 11 touches for 82 yards.


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[Assistant] Right? Uh, yeaah, 11 touches, 82 yards, 10 carries, 41 and one in the long screen.


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[Assistant] Jason, earlier you wanted to browse the trade for a running back. Do you feel that way now?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, if you're gonna get a guy like that, like, I had, at one point we were talking to Zach Moss, but I, the Colts, they're playing, uh, decent football.


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[Assistant] And, and like, I had mentioned Samajay P. Ryan, he's just another piece back. I don't think you need a guy like that. If you're not gonna get a guy like Barkley, and


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[Assistant] I actually, I know he's had some big plays, I actually like forward the least of the three guys right now.


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[Assistant] I think Huck has his role as the short down back, I think he's good in that role.


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[Assistant] For all the talk of trading for a running back, trading for a wide receiver, I know Mike's gonna hurt the rumor about trading for a defensive lineman, which, you know, I mean, if they want to do that, that's, I'm not, I'm not going to criticize the Browns for adding anybody, but I don't see any kind of need at defensive line, but,


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[Assistant] Obviously the biggest needs at quarterback. Now, one other thing on the running back situation. Kareem Hunts played fine considering he played okay. I didn't like his comments, Jason. Do we have that, that tweet? We do. Give me one sec. I didn't like these comments by Kareem Hunts.


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[Assistant] Kareem Hunt, uh, this is from Jake Trotter, uh, not getting a chance to run the ball on the third and three late. Quote, I didn't get a chance the whole fourth quarter, so it's cool. I don't know. I just go and play my role. I feel like I could have helped win.


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[Assistant] I got a huge beef with this. Kareem Hood, no offense dude, you've been a nice NFL player, you're just a guy right now. Who the hell is he at this point?


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[Assistant] When you say something like that, you knock your coach, and you denigrate the other running backs.


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[Assistant] The Real House Husbands of Maria, I don't know. Anyway, it's like, like Nick Chubb would never make a statement like that.


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[Assistant] No. Probably. Never! Probably not. And yes! Okay, he's honest. Fine! And honestly!


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[Assistant] Alright, fair enough. Listen, I'm not killin' em, but I just don't like-


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[Assistant] Adam Amin, who did the play-by-play, is one of the best play-by-play guys out there. He's excellent. He is absolutely excellent.


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[Assistant] But the one, at one point he said, I imagine every Browns fan watching the game losing their mind when he said it. At one point he goes, Andy, uh, Donovan Peebles Jones is back to return the putt. He's a dangerous return man.


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[Assistant] And I pictured everybody, especially like Jay and G losing their minds. What do you think Elijah?


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[Assistant] What are they at? What are the Browns avera- Ah, well, I'd like to look up what the Browns are averaging yards per carry just running backs. You don't have to look it up now, but I just think that would be kinda-


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[Assistant] Alright, we're gonna get to defense in just a minute, Mike, but, uh, I know a lot of fans are interested in what we have to say, or they have interest in making their comments, or... What do you got? You got any feedback from the fans right now before we go to the defense here in a sec?


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[Assistant] Listen, don't listen. Listen, Jason is the most unemotional person on here.


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[Assistant] By the way, the line has already gone down. The Browns opened at FanDuel as a seven and a half point favorite. The line is currently, I'm looking at the FanDuel Sportsbook as we speak. The line is now seven. Now it's going to take a lot to drop under seven.


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[Assistant] Uh, that includes quarterbacks too, which could skew the numbers a little bit. Okay, let's go to defense here. Mike, did you have a question you wanted to ask us about the defense?


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[Assistant] Well, because that's the NFL in this day and age, and that's why the early, even though the numbers were, were eye-popping,


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[Assistant] The early conversation about all-time defense was a silly one.


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[Assistant] I thought it was a silly one the entire time we were having it, but because the numbers were so eye-popping, we did it. The reality is, when you think of great defenses, there's no team in recent years.


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[Assistant] Those, that Seahawks defense was very, very good. But does anybody think of that Seahawks defense when they won the Super Bowl? How many years has it been since they won the Super Bowl now?


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[Assistant] Even that Seahawks defense guys 11 years ago that won the Super Bowl, which was really good. I don't think of that defense in the same class as the 85 Bears, as those Giants teams, as those Ravens teams.


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[Assistant] I think he will be, yeaah. I think Bobby Wagner Hall of Famer?


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[Assistant] How do we know that? Like it's defense. I don't know. I'm not sure. I never thought of either of those guys as Hall of Famers. I thought of them as like the tier below that.


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[Assistant] That sounds like, that sounds like Hall of Fame, probably.


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[Assistant] And that's really about it. Right? Are they? Who else?


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[Assistant] Uhm, and that's the thing. Like, I look at the Browns defense.


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[Assistant] It's a good, it's a very good, but, but in the big picture, it's a very good defense. It's not a special defense. If you look at the, like, I think the secondary is pretty special. I think they're, I think Genzel Ward and Emerson are a special combination in the corner.


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[Assistant] I think they got very good safety play. If you look at the front seven though, it's played very, overall it's played well. But their front seven outside of Miles Garrett, nobody's special.


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[Assistant] They have a, they have a lot of solid guys, but nobody's special. So Darius Smith is, at this point in his career, is not a special player. Nobody else on their D, D-liner linebacker is, they don't have any all-pro caliber players in the front seven except for Miles Garrett.


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[Assistant] My guy, nah, he's really, he's really good. And, and they've got a great combo there. They're, you know, it's just, does anybody disagree about what I said about the front seven?


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[Assistant] I'm not saying that to crap all over them. I think the Browns do have one of the five best defenses probably in the league. But it's not head and shoulders above.


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[Assistant] Well, and Earl talked about that, and you know, we've talked about how aggressive they are at attacking the quarterback, and they mentioned it on the broadcast, it was, Daryl Johnston was the analyst, right? They're a great combo, Adam Amini and Daryl Johnston. Daryl Johnston made a great point of


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[Assistant] When you, when he talked about the Browns giving up some big plays, he's like, when you're as aggressive as the Browns are, you end up with a lot of guys at the same level.


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[Assistant] So there are plays where all the linebackers and all the defensive linemen are right there. And so if you get through that initial line, there's a lot of room to run. And we saw that on the big Kenneth Walker play.


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[Assistant] And Mike, you said, well, they played well-run defense in the second half against the Niners. Well, that's because McCaffrey didn't play in the second half.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, the one good running back they shut down was, uh, Derrick Henry. That was the one guy. By the way, he's another guy that could, I guess, be traded. Although, the way Will Levis played for the Titans yesterday, if I'm them, I'm not trading anybody.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he looked good. To me, the only team in the AFC that should be packing it in is New England.


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[Assistant] I thought the report was that they weren't looking to trade him, but they would listen, which every team should listen on every player all the time.


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[Assistant] Every team in the AFC, except for the Patriots, is within three games in first place.


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[Assistant] With, with 10 weeks to go, you know, with either 8 or, or, or either 10 or 9 games left in the season for every team. So I, I don't know that there's gonna be a lot of teams looking to blow it up, but like Carolina certainly, maybe Washington, uh, Arizona might trade some guys, although,


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[Assistant] With Kyle and Murray coming back, they may want to not totally, you know, blow up their team, we'll see. But, go ahead Mike.


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[Assistant] Let me, let me start with this because this is part of that conversation. I was just going to get to this. We've alluded to it a little bit, but.


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[Assistant] The bottom line in yesterday's game, all the, all the talk initially was about the third and three.


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[Assistant] You know, just right through them after they had played great for three quarters. That is inexcusable the way the defense collapsed at the end of the game. It felt like they lost all their energy after that turnover.


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[Assistant] Yeah, defense has got to be better. This week there's no excuse. You're playing one of the worst quarterbacks in the league, Josh Dobbs. They don't really have a running game in Arizona. Uhm, you know, anyway, we'll talk more about next week. Go ahead, Mike.


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[Assistant] You know, give Stefanski certainly some of the blame on that. The other six games, even when they've been outmanned, they have been ready to play.


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[Assistant] And I think they'll be ready to play against Arizona and there's no excuse for losing that game at all. None. Go ahead, Mike.


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[Assistant] Blaine Pye for the loss. What are our options again? Defense? Stefanski?


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[Assistant] Okay, what's your, what's your pie blame? Who wants to go first? Jason, you want to go first?


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[Assistant] And no, I'm giving Andrew Perry more blame because he hasn't gotten a quarterback. 30% on PJ Walker.


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[Assistant] He's a solid NFL coach. The odds of finding a coach that's definitely going to be better or not likely.


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[Assistant] Again, he's in that second group of coaches, which is most of the league, that are pretty good coaches, there's five guys that suck, there's five guys that are great, and everybody else is pretty good, ebb and flowing, depending on the talent they have.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no doubt. Alright, we'll leave that. What's your pie there, Mike? You have a pie for us? Yeah, I- Call it.


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[Assistant] Fair enough. Alright, now. I gotta read. Before we do that though, I gotta read.


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[Assistant] We started talking about the Niners. By the way, the Niners have now dropped three in a row. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] And so let's talk about this division a little bit, guys. We'll bring up the division standings again if you can, Mike. Uh, by far the best division in football.


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[Assistant] All four teams, over 500 this late in the season. That's remarkable. Very unusual.


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[Assistant] Alright, and the way the Bengals started, you wouldn't have thought that, but obviously they've righted the ship. So Baltimore 6-2, they won against Arizona. Uh, Pittsburgh lost to Jacksonville.


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[Assistant] Uh, Kenny Pickett, who's been terrible this year. I did not b- Listen, we all get some wrong, some right. And maybe still Pet- Kenny Pickett's gonna be good. He's shown no signs of being good this year. And he got hurt, and Trubisky was even worse when he came in.


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[Assistant] I mean, by the way, Will Levis looked phenomenal. Did you see any of that by any chance?


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[Assistant] That is wild when a, you know, a rookie comes in and just throws four touchdowns and an NFL debut. Pretty impressive. But, as far as the division...


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[Assistant] I don't know how much you guys saw of the other games in this division. Obviously, I watched the Bengals game. I watched some of it at the same time as the Browns game on the split screen. But I was mostly focused on the Browns, so I kind of went back and rewatched both games.


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[Assistant] But, uh, the Bengals played their best game of the year. They, the game wasn't even as close as the score.


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[Assistant] Looked completely healthy again. He made


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[Assistant] One of the most amazing plays I've ever seen.


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[Assistant] And before this week he would have been sacked because of the cap.


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[Assistant] He somehow got out of the sack, spun around, rolled out to the right, and hit, I believe, Chase for a first down on a third and ten play.


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[Assistant] It was pretty wild, but they, Jason look, that was part of what Gene Bush called me about last night, was his worry about how the Bengals looked yesterday. They are back on track right now.


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[Assistant] I still don't think they can do anything in the playoffs, but they gotta prove it, but, uh.


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[Assistant] This is how I have felt, I've always felt, when the bangles were good. Like, and this is the best.


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[Assistant] Bengals run ever, obviously in franchise history. You know, they had some good teams in the early 80s with Ken Anderson and some good teams in the late 80s with Boomer and into the early 90s and then they had some good teams with Andy Dalton.


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[Assistant] Uh, and even with Carson Palmer. But this is the best bangles ever.


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[Assistant] This, you know, version of them three years. When you're good and you believe in your quarterback, I don't care where you play. Like, they're playing the Bills this week, I don't care, because Andy, uh, because


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[Assistant] Because Joe Burrow looks like Joe Burrow again. He's the guy, you know, and he, I think he was 28 or 32 yesterday. He didn't miss a single throw the whole game. So when the, when, and that's where you hope the Browns can get to is like, when you believe in the team, it's like, who cares who you play?


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[Assistant] Uhm, it doesn't matter. The Steelers did not look good, uh, you know, in that game. They looked terrible.


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[Assistant] And it's happened again this year with the Browns. Mitch Trubisky did throw two picks.


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[Assistant] And I still think you're going to win the division. But they got the toughest role. Bizarre stat on the Bengals here. First team in the history of the NFL since the merger.


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[Assistant] If you had to predict a division, order a finish today.


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[Assistant] You just said you got the Bengals. I mean, they're way behind, they're two, let's see, they're four, three. If they beat Baltimore, if they beat Baltimore in the next matchup.


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[Assistant] I mean, they don't have any... Listen, the AFC North tough. It's gonna be a slog.


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[Assistant] But if I, if you had, come on, I'm gonna make everybody do it. You had to bet right now.


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[Assistant] P-predict the order of finish in the AFC North. What is it? Mike, you wanna start?


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[Assistant] I'm gonna go Baltimore, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh too. So we all had the Browns finishing third. Nope.


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[Assistant] I mean, that's it. Now the Browns have a better defense than the Ravens and a better defense than the Bengals, but not by a lot. Those defenses are both good.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, there you go. And those, you know, uh, interestingly, uh, Gus Edwards the last two weeks has played very well for Baltimore also. You know, they, they played a nothing team obviously in Arizona, but you know, they didn't fall down to the competition. Their two losses are against


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[Assistant] Middle of the road teams, at best. Well, Colts almost beat the Browns too. Do they, do they have any, uh,


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[Assistant] The Ravens wins, they beat the Bengals, they beat the Browns. So they started the season, we'll go through their schedule.


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[Assistant] Well, because the Lions had been playing great. In particular, the Lions offense had been fantastic going into that game, and their offense just did nothing.


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[Assistant] And so that was kind of eye opening about the Ravens defense that game. But I think what we, what we keep getting reminded of every week is that more than ever, maybe this is a week to week. Absolutely. Look how bad the Chiefs were. They got smoked.


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[Assistant] It's just crazy. It's really hard to predict things week by week.


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[Assistant] I think it's more than ever now though. I think the parody is there, like,


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[Assistant] I, I don't know, I know, I, I, Philly's the best team probably in football right now. You know, they're 7 and 1.


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[Assistant] I don't think they're unbeatable at all. No. Jalen Hurts hasn't played, like they, they're two wins over Washington, they had to pull them out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Miami did beat New England, but you know, even their offense hasn't been quite as dynamic since that Bronco game. It's kind of come back to earth a little bit too. We're still playing very well overall. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] Their offense has been competitive for the most part outside of the Ravens game with the worst quarterback play in the league and their best running back out for the year. And the right tackle.


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[Assistant] And a right tackle, and only one really good wide receiver.


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[Assistant] My counter to that would be, I don't know if there's any way to find this out. This would have to be deep research. Like, this idea, and I've heard people say this before, he's bad at situational play calling. I don't know that, nobody's ever given me a fact to back that up. It's just like, I remember this game and this situation, well, when it goes badly, we're gonna remember it.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, I just don't like, I think it's easy to throw that out there and say he's a bad situational play caller. I just don't, I don't think there's any facts to back that up. There may be, but I don't, I,


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[Assistant] If they're a defensive coach, they're calling the defense. If they're an offensive coach, they're calling out. Most coaches do that.


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[Assistant] Okay, and that's just the way it is in the NFL. Now, would the Browns be better if they had Alex Van Polen plays? I will never know. My guess is they wouldn't be. I don't think Savanski is a bad play caller, a bad situational play caller. I think he's a solid play caller, a good play caller.


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[Assistant] I think he does great. I thought calling that timeout before the two minute warning was actually a brilliant call that a lot of coaches would not have thought to do because as, uh, Daryl Johnson said, it gave them the ability to do whatever they want and it gave them time to


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[Assistant] They could have just run the play also and still had the ability to do whatever they want. However, it would have felt like they had time to set up


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[Assistant] It didn't, or it didn't work. It might have been the right play, it didn't work. But, uh, I thought, I don't think a lot of coaches would have had that wherewithal to call a timeout in that situation. And I actually thought it was a really smart play. Because the, you're gonna get to the two minute warning after it anyway, so it doesn't matter if you call a timeout or not.


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[Assistant] But enough with his eagle's propaganda. I mean, do we need his eagle propaganda in every text? Nick Sirianni, what is, what is, what is, uh, what is with his eyes, by the way? What is happening there?


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[Assistant] By the way, every coach is a good coach when the team is winning. And then the second they start losing, the last coach, what's the coach that was there, now he's in Jacksonville?


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[Assistant] This idea that we fire the coach, I'm sure that's going on in other places too. I'm sure it is. You know, teams that are a lot worse than the Browns, but you know, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they didn't throw the ball at all. Literally barely threw the football. But did you see that? You talk about officials, but I think he was officially 1 for 3 for negative 2 yards in this quarterback. Yes. And he played like half the game. Is that Danny's son?


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[Assistant] How many carries did Saquon Barkley have in that game? 36.


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[Assistant] In Jets, like the Jets 25, and they tried a field goal to go up by 6, and they missed it. I don't know why they didn't just try to get the first down and end the game. The way Barkley was running, the Jets wouldn't have stopped them.


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[Assistant] It was, it was acceptable weather. But, I don't know if anybody saw this video, so the Jets got, they hadn't done anything, they scored a touchdown early.


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[Assistant] So the Jets, the Giants miss a field goal, so it stays 10-7. Jets get the ball back, they go down the field.


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[Assistant] They lost the game. Playoff game, wouldn't it? The Jets should have lost. Wow.


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[Assistant] Instead, I gotta push on my, uh, my Bet Rivers picks yesterday. To finish 2-2-1. Uh, anyway, Mike anyf-


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[Assistant] I don't get in there. I mean I have in my career, but not for a very long time.


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[Assistant] Good luck to them this year. Good luck to Rocky River Football. They won their first playoff game this weekend. And shout out to my son and all the kids that performed in their play this weekend. They did a great job. My son was awesome. All his friends came to watch him.


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[Assistant] It was a, it was a wonderful weekend. I'm very proud of you, Eric. You did a great job as Snake the Burglar. He was tremendous in the, in the show this weekend.


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[Assistant] Now it's off to the next show. And we'll see you on overtime. What are we doing on overtime, Mike?


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[Assistant] No, that's it. Yeah, I don't want to hear about the injuries either. I mean, they did have both of those players for part of that game. The Browns were without three vital cogs to their machine for the entire game. And the quarterback!


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[Assistant] His touchdown to turnover line right now is 5 touchdowns to 17 turnovers. Yet, he's 5 and 3 as a starting quarterback.


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[Assistant] To the point that you need a superstar quarterback in this league, yes, I believe you do. However,


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[Assistant] I also believe that an elite defense trumps a great quarterback.


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[Assistant] And this defense, although we had questions crop up after the Ravens' loss,


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[Assistant] They answered all of those questions and more yesterday. What I love more than anything about the win.


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[Assistant] And we talk about this all the time. Where are the dogs? Where are the dogs? There's no atti- Yesterday, from before the kickoff inside that stadium, there was attitude. Where does that attitude come from? That's easy.


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[Assistant] Jim Schwartz. He instills dog in that defense. I loved the skirmish before the game. I loved it. It showed me that the Browns were making a statement before the opening kickoff. We're not going to be pushed around in our building. You're in for a 60 minute war. And that's what they put up.


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[Assistant] And now, like, yes, they should have had the Pittsburgh game. The amazing thing about the NFL, you always say week to week. The other thing is, over 17 games, the gods usually disperse an equal number of cards. Yes, they should have won the Steelers game.


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[Assistant] Yesterday easily could have been a loss. Should've and could've don't matter. No, but it washed out.


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[Assistant] Let's go. It's football. They went out and kicked some asses. At three and two now, they're in an interesting position. I don't think I can remember a time if the Chargers win tonight, and that's a big if because they play a good football team that needs a bounce back win. Even if they lose, think of this guys, 12 of the 16 teams in the AFC have three wins. At least three wins.


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[Assistant] Yes. However, I mean, only three teams in the AFC if the Chargers win tonight. It's two teams. No, it's three if they win.


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[Assistant] That's astonishing to me. I mean, what that says is, you damn well better win this division. Because the hunt for a wild card in the AFC is going to be as muddied as it's ever been if it continues to play out like this.


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[Assistant] That's what they do. They've done that all season long. Now in six opening drives, they've scored 38 points. I mean, you could get 42 if you scored a touchdown in all six opening drives. When he's scripted and they're going along and they're staying, the key was they stayed on schedule and they were easy, you know, they were easier third downs to pick up on.


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[Assistant] Uhm, 13 and 8 now. I couldn't believe this. The Browns are 13 and 8 all time against San Francisco. This is one of the best franchises in the history of the league. They're 8 and 2 in home games against San Francisco. I mean some things you just scratch your head. One thing that was wild from yesterday was the Jets.


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[Assistant] Had never beaten the Eagles. Never. And they were down 14-3 in their game. It looked like, you know, that game really mirrored in a lot of ways the Browns and the Niners. They had an undefeated team. They had a big underdog that, uh, that came out at home and won the game.


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[Assistant] You always say it matters what you do in the fourth quarter. I thought that Purdy did enough to get them to win.


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[Assistant] That was it. That was it. But watching that, watching him operate in that last drive, I thought he's going to be good. The only time it matters in the game, he's going to be good. And their kicker, a Michigan product, did I say he's a Michigan product? You had not missed before yesterday. I had not missed. And boy, did you see the pictures of him in the stadium with all of his family members that were there to watch?


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[Assistant] All over. He was, you know what, I was, I remember when we had DeQuel in and he was saying, he's thinking and it's slowing down his process. He's playing now without a brain in his head. He's got one mission, get to the football.


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[Assistant] And his athleticism now, and that's the difference between a Jim Schwartz and a Joe Woods, who was trying, Joe Woods was trying to put him into a, a bin. This is who you are and this is what you do. Right. Jim Schwartz came and looked at him and said, oh hell no, no, you just play football.


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[Assistant] You just go find the football and you're gonna be just fine.


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[Assistant] Things like that can have a big impact on the game. Again, you mentioned it doesn't show up in the box score, but it's all those little things that add up. I thought the defense yesterday, we talked about the five games, 1,002 yards allowed, just barely over 200 yards per game.


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[Assistant] The last time a team did that in the NFL was 1970, and it was a pretty good defense. Different game. Different game back then. Much different game, and that was a pretty good defense too that did that.


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[Assistant] So when you look at historically, we've tried to measure this team historically, it's really tough to do through three games, four games, and five games. However, they are historically elite through five games. And it's worth noting.


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[Assistant] Not close. They're almost dead last in takeaways because we got one yesterday, but we did nothing with it. No complimentary football. When you take that football away, the offense has to do something. We went 20 yards the wrong direction and punted.


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[Assistant] It's a huge hit. Because we have seen him for three games this year.


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[Assistant] Three games. Yeah. And he's only been that guy once. Right. McNuggets.


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[Assistant] Guys, what changed after that first drive? Because the first drive, San Francisco was doing whatever they wanted, they mowed right down the field, and we all thought the same thing, oh boy, here we go, and that was it.


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[Assistant] 71% of the dropbacks, by the way. So, I mean, your menu is loaded with man coverage. They haven't played that much man all year.


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[Assistant] It was, it was something to watch. I mean, you know, we talked about sometimes when everything, when everybody's saying one thing about a game coming in, it's the NFL. It's the same thing with the Jets and the Eagles. As I was watching that game, I just kept thinking to myself, this is, this is like a carbon copy of what we just watched.


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[Assistant] Where DTR had... Two weeks really, but yes. Yep, two weeks essentially. Uh, before we move too far down the road on yesterday's game, cause there's a lot to talk about still, do we know anything at all about Deshaun's situation? Is he going to play against Indy? Cause I've seen, I saw some tweets. Yeah, there's a chance.


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[Assistant] But that quarterback also beat the Ravens team that took care of us easily.


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[Assistant] Well, by the way, we, we, I just was pretty harsh on DPJ. DPJ threw a pretty key block on that run, didn't he? He did. And we gotta give him credit for that. One thing, can you go back to the Stefanski bio card? One thing that's troubling to me, guys, uhm, because, you know,


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[Assistant] Yes, much better job calling plays. Uh, we asked, could he, could he, uh, you know, stamp his genius card if he beats the Niners on Friday? We asked that. Here's what really troubles me, uh, is that last number.


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[Assistant] Well, he was one in 23 before yesterday. Yesterday was one of the two wins that he's been able to pull out when trailing by four points. Does that include 2020?


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[Assistant] Everything. Yea, as a head coach. Yea, as a head coach. That's concerning.


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[Assistant] They had 12 seconds left. He checked out of a pass play because they could have thrown three plays in that 12 seconds. He checked that into a run and that was it. They get no points. And Dable is screaming at his coordinator and screaming at his quarterback. You're the head coach. All that's under your purview.


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[Assistant] The way you call that situation is, you have two plays called, but the check down play is also a pass. So you can still look at the defense, see what they're in, and now call to a pass that you think might work better against that alignment. A run should never been an option in that sequence.


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[Assistant] Uh, and fortunately their kicker missed the kick at the end of the game. And a lot of the stuff that we're okay with today, we would be putting a hot magnifying glass on had that kick sailed through the uprights because now you can go back and cherry pick any number of things that in the moment


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[Assistant] No, no, no. In fact, when they got the ball to start the last drive.


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[Assistant] With the time on the clock and everything, I said, okay, I've seen this movie. Seen it a lot. I know the script by heart. The script, yea. They'll have a dumb penalty, keep a drive alive.


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[Assistant] They'll move the ball down the field. They'll get into field goal range and the kicker will split the uprights and the Browns lose another heartbreaker. And that's the way it unfolded. Dumb penalty. Here they go. Boom, boom, boom. The quarterback has been a dud all game. Gets them down close. A very makeable kick.


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[Assistant] That was one of those games we talked about a Friday. If they lose a close game, it's not a win, but there are things you can take from it. Giving the players today off. Do you like that, Jay?


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[Assistant] I think they earned it. That extra day is going to mean a lot. And it's also like a reward system, you know?


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[Assistant] You know what, that's a good point, and let's talk about a key penalty that helped the Browns win.


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[Assistant] That call, that was a huge break for us because it wasn't to the head and neck area. It was right here. It looked perfectly legal. Without that, we're talking about a much different outcome right now. Now listen, and it would have been 4th out. But I'm not apologizing. It would have been 4th out. It's part of the game. It is part of the game. There's bad calls that go against the


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[Assistant] Against the guy. What does he have over him? What is it that he's...


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[Assistant] Is it he's taking away what they do best? Is it pressure? Because like at this point, it's not an anomaly. He owns it. He has living rent free in his head.


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[Assistant] You know what, if you go back, I would love to know the percentage of games coached by Shanahan, where he was either the primary play caller, either the offensive coordinator or the head coach. The number of times that his teams, first of all, has been held below 20 points. Yeaah, it was the 9th, the 9th, the 9th.


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