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[Assistant] Will Anderson, the second choice, and I was looking at Will Anderson, he had like six pressures last week, and I was like, that's pretty good. And then I looked, I was like, he had 12 snaps, cause they limited him, cause it was his first game back in a couple of weeks. He's the second choice, and Kobe Turner, who had a huge week last week, is plus 700.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Pete notes that America wants Stafford to go back to Detroit, take on my Detroit Lions. I did not want to see that. I don't want to have to see one of those, one of those, uh, fine young people lose. My Lions or Matt Stafford.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I don't know. Lions can lose any game they play, but they can also win a lot of the games too. Don't forget on Draft King Sportsbook this season, new customers can bet $5, pocket $150 in bonus bets instantly. Plus all customers can get a no sweat same game parlay every day. You can download the app and use the promo code unbuttoned when you sign up.


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[Assistant] They can still clinch a wild card if Pittsburgh loses.


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[Assistant] They might not do, because they're taking on the Ravens. I don't think the Ravens are going to play anybody. And they need a Denver loss there. But they better just win. They just take care of business at the Titans here. The last time we saw these teams on the field together.


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[Assistant] It was in Jacksonville and the Jaguars took care of business. They won 34-14. Tennessee was pretty much dominated all game. They only had one drive. I looked through the possession chart. They only had one drive of more than five plays to the Titans. So it was the defense for the Jaguars that came through in that one. I would expect, I don't know what the line is right now.


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[Assistant] Jaguar should be a heavy favorite, but this has been one of the more disappointing teams this year so far, I would say.


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[Assistant] It was CJ Beathard last week for the Jaguars. Uh, I'm looking at recent tweets here. Ian Rapoport says that Doug Peterson tells reporters that Trevor Lawrence is dealing with a shoulder sprain. Will be a limited participant today. He reports Lawrence is feeling better than he was. Okay, that's good.


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[Assistant] He can to be out there. Seems likely. Steelers at Ravens, death taxes and Mike Tomlin. Of course they're gonna be in it. It was what? I feel like week 13 or 14 of every season dating back maybe to 2019, I don't even know.


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[Assistant] That's exactly when they start making their run. Uh, they are the ninth seed right now. But this, this year is so crazy in the postseason too. I think I saw some scenarios where they can lose and move up into playoff position, depending on what else happens. Is that right? They can lose. Yea, right. Pete, have you seen that too? I guess it would have to be. If Jacksonville loses, if Jacksonville loses, right, and then we have Indy playing Houston.


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[Assistant] And they have the tiebreaker maybe with like, buffalo, I guess? I don't know how that works. No, it wouldn't be buffalo, it would be...


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[Assistant] Yeah, a Jacksonville loss, a Denver win.


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[Assistant] It does not. Well, who's Denver playing? The Raiders.


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[Assistant] Oh, because that must be tiebreakers. It has to be something like that. Oh my gosh.


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[Assistant] Steve Kornacki's guy, he's like, he hasn't seen his friends and family for like three weeks because he's trying to figure all this stuff out for us. Uhm, so Pittsburgh can clinch the wild card with a win though, and all losses by Buffalo or Jacksonville, so they can, there are multiple ways they can get in here.


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[Assistant] They're playing the Ravens. Ravens might not have anything to play for. And throw this in there. Week 5, they beat them! When they did have everything to play for. 17-10 in one of the weirder games all year because George Pickens 41 yard game winning touchdown with a minute 23 left was their first lead of the game. And they won one of those Pittsburgh Steelers type games.


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[Assistant] Yeah, what's going on there specifically? Because, I mean, the last two games they have averaged 32 points per game. Yeah. Bengal Seahawks, not two world-beating defenses. The worst defense.


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[Assistant] So maybe there's more here with Mason Rudolph. Let's go inside the numbers powered by AWS. We'll take a look at the passing chart week 17 for Seattle where his throws went to next gen stat says he completed all nine of his passes targeting out breaking routes for 149 yards.


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[Assistant] Uh, he completed 17.2 over expected passes and holds the two highest completion percentage over expected marks by a Steelers quarterback in a game this season. Wow. So, alright, for uh,


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[Assistant] You know, an average quarterback and receiver combination would not be completing depending on where the defense is and how far of, uh, it is away from the line of scrimmage and all those different factors that next-gen stats somehow...


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[Assistant] And that was Inside the Numbers powered by AWS. Despite all of this with the Pittsburgh Steelers, Mason Rudolph looking better, doing some things outside the numbers, running the ball a little bit better, you still don't want to see them in the playoffs.


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[Assistant] Over in the NFC, the Green Bay Packers are currently in. Boom! We saw them win on Sunday Night Football. They are the 7 seed.


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[Assistant] Although they don't, they don't have that locked up. They still have to win. Yes they do. Their final game, Bears at Packers. They gotta win to secure the wild card. They can clinch with losses by the Vikings, Seattle, and either the Bucs or Saints, but you don't wanna worry about that. You wanna get the victory against the Chicago Bears, which may be easier said than done.


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[Assistant] Week one, Green Bay did win. Jordan Love had three touchdowns, 38 to 20. I am, I am guessing this is one of those games where week one Packers beating the Bears has very little bearing on what will happen at Lambeau Field in week 18 in your mind.


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[Assistant] I know that. So you, you looked at him, you did a deeper dive, here's his last six games, they've been awesome, you know. I mean, the pass yards, 200 yards per game, but completing 60% of his passes, uhm, three rush touchdowns, almost 400 yards on the ground, and that's what he brings you. He brings you that, that stuff.


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[Assistant] No, no, I was just about to go inside your notebook, brought to you by some random homie out there. We said whoever- By Justin Fields. By Justin Fields. Cause it's all positive, he wants to sponsor this one. By, uh, by, it's still Heinz, cause he shaved his head. So yea, Justin Fields would sponsor this evaluation, so we're looking at-


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[Assistant] Chris' uh, cursive writing that we got late last night. Uhm, and you say Fields is playing good, smart football, nothing stupid, right? Is that what that says?


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[Assistant] What's the, oh I, taking advantage of all that is possible. I guess you could read your own handwriting here probably better than I can.


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[Assistant] No bad decisions, no bad sacks, no unnecessary hits with a dash between unnecessary. Now that is unnecessary, actually.


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[Assistant] You would prefer the Buccaneers make it, right? Cause it's either them or it's the Saints or it's the Falcons who still have a chance.


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[Assistant] It could be a 9 and 8 Tampa Bay Buccaneers team hosting a 12 and 5 Philadelphia Eagles. How about that? That would be crazy. Uh, the Eagles could still win the, uh, NFC East, but it's not looking good. We'll get to the Eagles in a second. Cowboys at commanders cause the Dallas Cowboys, all they gotta do is beat the commanders in Washington.


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[Assistant] Or have Philadelphia lose against the Giants. It's a rematch. A week 12 and the Cowboys won by 35.


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[Assistant] Uh, Mike McCarthy needs to call the right plays as the coach. Will he be the Achilles heel that dooms the Cowboys this year? Or is he the reason why they are there in the first place?


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[Assistant] You've been very clear on what you think of the Cowboys' offense. Yeah. Aggressive, you like that. Yeah. Simple, you don't like that.


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[Assistant] They've kind of pulled out all the stops already, right? They've had the players' meetings, they've had all this different stuff, and none of it's worked up to this point, where, which they get into the postseason, maybe, who knows, maybe that's when they find the rhythm, and then you know what they'll say? No one believed in us. And I'll go, no, you guys didn't believe in yourself.


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[Assistant] Alright, so that is a preview of tomorrow's picks pods. You'll get all the picks tomorrow. That's when you get the picks. That's when you get the picks. Maybe you have an idea of where Chris is leaning, but you get the actual picks coming up tomorrow. My best bets I did pretty good last week.


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[Assistant] Pete's searching to shake, uh, rams. Oh, I took the rams. Oh.


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[Assistant] Yeah, stop doing that. Alright, so we have a lot of weeks to catch up here on the Big Butt Awards, and so Pete had a great idea. We're gonna do Jeopardy Edition.


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[Assistant] Of the Big Butt Awards. And you're gonna ask me? I'm gonna ask you. Oh no. You gotta figure it out.


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[Assistant] Pete says it'll all make sense once we get going. Uh, this man's big butt plays defensive tackle. He tied an NFL record this season with 11 straight games with at least half a sack. Marubike. Oh, yes. The Ravens. Yep. Week 14, he was going against the Rams in that one. Um, yeah, he had 12 sacks at that point.


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[Assistant] Good year to have that. Peak confirms that. First career Big Bud Award, so that's all you need. Right there you go. I just won the Big Bud Award for the first time in my career. I'm peaking at the right time. Give me 25 million a year. The Big Bud at edge for week 14. This edge is currently the betting favorite for Defensive Player of the Year.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I'm gonna say, I think it's TJ Watt. Am I wrong about that? It is not. Miles Garrett.


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[Assistant] Wow. Gave it to him in week 14 for his big performance versus the Jaguars. It was his third big butt of the year award this season. So that should tell you right there. Yes. Uh, he was the top graded PFF lineman for the week there and Miles Garrett. Yeah. That surprises you though.


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[Assistant] It's your man crushes. It's your man crush. What an idiot I am. Signed that 57 million dollar deal in March, which looks like a steal maybe at this point now. He had five pressures that week.


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[Assistant] It was the second highest graded defensive lineman to DeForest Buckner that week. Alright, the edge for week 15. This edge rusher leads his team in sacks and quarterback hits, but we unfortunately now won't see him in the playoffs. Oh, his team's been eliminated.


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[Assistant] He leads in sacks, leads his team in sacks, in quarterback hits, but unfortunately now, we won't see him in the playoffs. This isn't Trey Hendrickson here?


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[Assistant] Defensive tackle. This former Alabama player was the number two defensive tackle in your draft rankings his year. Gosh. Who was number two?


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[Assistant] Yes, you got it. Christian Barrymore led all defensive tackles with three sacks. He was by, uh, Levi Unzerike for a year that year. Yeah. Yeah. Detroit Lion, my Detroit Lions. So Barrymore's a player, man. The edge.


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[Assistant] For that week, this third year, former backup now starts as the bookend to a pro bowler with 13 and a half sacks this season.


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[Assistant] So he plays on the same line with a guy who's got 13 and a half sacks and is a pro bowler.


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[Assistant] He's a former, this other guy is a former, former backup, third year player. Oh, and this is,


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[Assistant] There it is, Malcolm Coons. He had nine pressures, three sacks, both a career high for him.


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[Assistant] The first 35 career games for Coontz. He had four sacks, 11 quarterback hits in his last three games, five sacks and seven quarterbacks. He's had a whole career in his last three games. So congratulations, Malcolm Coontz. Congratulations, Christian Barrymore. You are the big butt.


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[Assistant] Look at that for Coons just dominating his own player and Patrick Mahomes. That really is. That's a great, great picture right there. Well done, Kristen, finding that one. All right. Week 17. So we'll get all caught up here. This defensive tackle leads all rookies with nine sacks this season.


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[Assistant] Well, I think you brought him up earlier. It's Kobe Turner, right?


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[Assistant] I mean, another gem they found in the middle rounds. I know. Pete wants to know why Lesnead hates draft picks so much. He's really good at them, but this is why, right? He's like, I don't need a first-rounder. I don't need those first-rounded overrated ones. I'll find a good defensive tackle in the third round. Alright, and our last one.


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[Assistant] Exactly right. My Aiden Hutchinson against the Dallas Cowboys. His third career big buck. I think I heard that during the telecast. I think they said that actually. He also, in this game, tripped a guy and got it called on the Cowboys instead. So I mean, that's really good.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I like that. I like that play a lot. That is amazing. It really is. I can't believe that happened. By the way, Nick Bosa, second in quarterback pressures, also has just ten and a half sacks.


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[Assistant] So congratulations to rookie Kobe Turner and my guy Aiden Hutchinson. Kobe Turner, that's a solid. That is a solid butt right there. Yeah. Solid behind. Good job. Alright, well we're all caught up. Okay. And now, all that's left to do.


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[Assistant] Emotionally hard to actually do the killing. Uh, easier emotionally just to dig a hole. Uh, so we had a thousand of you guys submit your playoff predictions.


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[Assistant] Dolphins, Jags, Eagles, Saints. Okay. For me to be correct. Dolphins, Jags, Eagles, Saints. That's a tough one.


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[Assistant] So okay, Pete says that was a mistake. Making the playoffs, 41% head, winning the division. Still Heinz, did you have the Ravens making the playoffs at least? Oh, that's a good question. We should look through those. We should see if he even participated. So now it is time, let me pull up my, uh, my poems right here, as we lay these teams to rest.


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[Assistant] We'll start with the Las Vegas Raiders.


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[Assistant] Las Vegas Raiders, 98% of all of us had them missing the playoffs, so we were, except for 2% of us were exactly right. Their quarterback looked like a movie star.


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[Assistant] The Broncos, 95% of all of us had them missing the playoffs, and they did exactly that. Their fans proudly wear their team-colored jacket, even though they're not in the postseason bracket.


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[Assistant] Like it will in probably 2027 or something like that. Uh, they would have maybe made it. Uh, Bears, here we go. This one pains me, you know. I'm sure. Their season was certainly not a bore. They gave their fans a whole lot more.


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[Assistant] They aren't afraid of a collision and next year in the division, they could definitely finish top four. They really could. I think they have a good chance next year.


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[Assistant] Your favorite team in football is done. Giants are out. 70% of the homies out there had them missing the playoffs.


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[Assistant] You picked with your heart, not your head. I had him making the playoffs? You did. You had my Lions missing it and the Giants making it. Gosh, damn I can't even believe that. I'm like shocked that I did that. The New York Giants. Their season was under assault.


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[Assistant] You took it easy on them. That was good. Uh, the Chargers are out. 57% of the homies had them making the playoffs, including Pete. I believe that Brandon Staley was gonna turn it around. Now he's just watching from a Caribbean island somewhere. Here lie the, uh, Los Angeles Chargers. What team are we talking about?


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[Assistant] This function goes into the brain. Let's just say the season was not great.


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[Assistant] Uh, it was a lot for their fans to tolerate. Brandon Staley taken by the man above. He died doing what he loved, going for it on fourth down and eight. You know, that's what he did. He died doing what he loved. You, you butchered that one just like he did in a clutch situation.


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[Assistant] Maybe this is too many poems in a row for me. Alright, one final one to do here. The Cincinnati Bengals, 93% of us had them making the playoffs, including you, me, and Pete. 35% had them make an AFC Championship game.


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[Assistant] 13% had him winning it all. Fourth most in the NFL. So we were all wrong on the Cincinnati Bengals, but we did not know that Joe Burrow was going to be injured. Kind of a big deal.


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[Assistant] One of these days you're gonna actually swear on this thing? Probably not. Yeah, yeah. Actually, who knows? Who knows? It could happen. Anything could happen.


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[Assistant] So there we go. Well, how long does it take you to write each one of those? I'm getting better. I'm actually pretty fast at it. I think all of those took me maybe 40 minutes, something like that. Okay, damn, you're ripping them up then. Cause you gotta think of like, alright, what's like the roast of each team? What's that soft spot? What's the two or three punchlines that kinda hit you?


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[Assistant] That'll be fun to watch down in Houston. Michigan a four and a half point favorite. I feel like Michigan's defense could make things really hard on Washington.


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[Assistant] They've been in the Super Bowl. The defense sucked in the playoffs. They weren't that good down the stretch. So, they got to the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Well, maybe give the encouragement maybe? Maybe like, hey, that doesn't look that bad on TV. Maybe I will do that. I won't be the first. I just like the clean cut look. Now, I have had people go, hey,


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[Assistant] I saw you, you have your look and I've tried to have my look because I saw you and I went, oh.


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[Assistant] Oh, I hear you there. Right. I kinda wanna get that going. I like that look, I like that look a lot, right? I'm a, I kinda like the, what is that, a cardigan vest kinda look, right? A little bit, yeaah. I would, I, maybe next year when you, if you guest host a Football Night in America, we'll be twinsies.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, the sleeves rolled up mightn't be too much. The vest thing you might get away with. The sleeves rolled up, yeaah, that's probably a little too casual for, you know.


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[Assistant] We did a lot more than 10, but we got 10 for today because it's worthy of 10. It's worthy of 10. It's plain and simple.


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[Assistant] To see eight in the first round, like a guarantee. I'd be shocked if there wasn't after looking at the group, the state of the NFL and the conversations that go around this position.


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[Assistant] I, I think there's, I think it is safe. Now there's, you know, it is a good conversation, O-line, the NFL, the current status, a little bit like we talked about with pass rushers first off. It's like, this is one where, you know, you're not going to have the draft community or some scout or some NFL executive go on and go, I found a guy in the four, that's a really,


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[Assistant] Everybody's gonna think he's the fourth rounder, but he's really like a top 20 pick, right? That doesn't happen because


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[Assistant] Size, power, athleticism, all that. It's very easy to see and evaluate that. And of course, with this position, we know there's some measurables that are necessities for success. You know, within that size, the length thing for offensive tackles. Like we talked about with pass rushers having arm length.


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[Assistant] Same thing for the offensive tackles, right? I mean, it's, it's few and far between when you start to get under thirty two and a half inch arms, or really thirty three inch arms. Once you get start to lower that, you're starting to go, ehh, I don't, ehh, there's not too many tackles that are good like that.


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[Assistant] Let's see, out of that group right there, I don't think we got one that I would just go, that's a bust. They've been useful. Did Jedrick Wills live up to the 10th pick of the draft potential? Maybe not, but it hasn't been a bust. He's clearly a starting left tackle in the NFL, right? That's what I would say.


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[Assistant] You know, and a top end, top half of the league one in that, I would even say. So I don't see bust there. Now we've had ones that have been talked about on the verge of bust, right? But again, that gets into the development thing. Paris Johnson Jr. showed he's got it last year. Darnell Wright also showed where he's got it.


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[Assistant] Ikema Kwanoo from the year before, right? He started off slow, but he's got it!


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[Assistant] Evan Neil, hey, he'd be one of those guys right now, we're going, ooh, here it is, it's the big year three. Is he gonna develop and turn the corner like his counterpart, uh, Andrew Thomas, who everybody was calling a bust after two years, and then a year and a half later, everybody was going, what?


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[Assistant] I think he's the best left tackle in the NFL. Let's pay him like the highest play left tackle. So, right? So we'll see. Evan Neal's one. We're waiting to see. Charles Cross is good.


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[Assistant] Right? Is it ninth pick of the draft good? Eh, probably not right now. Penne Sewell is number one pick of the draft good. I mean, it's, it's arguably the best right tackle in football, right? We talked about Andrew Thomas, Jedrick Wills. We talked about Quentin Nelson. I mean,


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[Assistant] Again, you're not a bust if you were considered the best guard in football for multiple years, right? Alright, Ronnie Stanley, been some injuries and stuff like that, right?


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[Assistant] At one point was the highest paid left tackle in all of football. Mike McGlinchey, ninth pick of the draft, same thing, damn good. Maybe, you know, not ninth pick of the draft, good, but damn good. I want him on my team. Sean Payton made him a priority and paid him right away, right? And then Jack Conklin, number eight.


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[Assistant] Uh, eighth pick for the Tennessee Titans was also considered the best right tackle in football again. So there you go right there. I don't think there's too many busts, right? Now we might see busts later on in the first round where they start to go,


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[Assistant] Yeah, the play is a little, it needs some polish. He's raw, but he's got some of these measurables and, and there's some traits there that we like that we think it's like not far off. And I think maybe that's where we've seen some bust.


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[Assistant] Again, like the pass rushers, you know, a lot of the times, uh, you know, this is one where there is a formula that's, you know, tried and true and you know what you're looking for and you go from


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[Assistant] Yes, yes, in this class. I'm gonna say yes, there's two.


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[Assistant] From college in the NFL that there is, right? Let's put it this way.


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[Assistant] One, we were joking about college offenses, right? They run, most of them run two run plays.


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[Assistant] Most of them never have to pass protect very long. They throw a screen, they throw an RPO, it's quick, it's boom, it's blah, blah, blah. Right. And they never, it's never like, oh wait, you know, Mahomes or Tom Brady are behind me. Oh wait, he's still got the ball. Hold on. Whoa, he's still got the ball, right? There's never that. So that's an adjustment, let alone the guys you're seeing as pass rushers are not only grown men,


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[Assistant] The freakiest of grown men who are also like into like, hey, if I put my hand here, he does this. If I put my hand on this pectoral, he'll do that. If I put my hand and place it on the under armor, so they're like skilled hand fighters, right?


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[Assistant] Let alone, the defenses are way more complex, where you're going,


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[Assistant] And for to think people are just gonna come into the league and dominate, you know, right away, year one.


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[Assistant] That's, that's rare, right? We don't see that very much. In fact, out of that group right there...


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[Assistant] That's week six. I think he's the best guard in football already, right? I mean that, the rest of them all had a little bit. Even Penne Sewell took like half a year to kind of get going to where the end of that rookie year we were all like, oh wow, they got something. He's about to be awesome.


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[Assistant] Yep. Okay, alright, so that's good, so. That and one other big picture thing of why I think this is an awesome class. Yeah. Right? Big picture.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, I like what I did last year. I know I was a little different in having parents Johnson at two, right?


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[Assistant] Alright, three, excuse me, in tier two, but number three.


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[Assistant] The other three, you know, damn good, right? And I think where I evaluated and where I was maybe a little lower on Paris Johnson than the rest because I favor


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[Assistant] The huge human being. I've kind of gotten into that a little bit. I have. I'm not so much always into the sexy- Oh, look at his feet. They're so good.


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[Assistant] You know, I feel like I've been burned a few times by that type of guy. Oh, he's so athletic. Oh my gosh.


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[Assistant] Oh man, well, oh gosh, the first time Khalil Mack came off the edge. Yeah, he was really athletic, but Khalil Mack put him in the first row of the stadium.


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[Assistant] Well, cause he has no anchor, right? So that's where I had to change my thought. And I feel like that's where we saw bus-


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[Assistant] Over the last decade to 12 to 15 years, it's going to be those type of linemen more times or not where we're like, oh, he's so awesome athletic. Well, yeah. Okay. He's awesome. Athletically can't handle any of the power gritty stuff that you have to worry about. Right.


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[Assistant] A guy like TJ Watt or Micah Parsons, they haven't seen speed to power like that in college football yet.


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[Assistant] The, maybe not the most athletic, like, freaky athlete, but it's still really good.


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[Assistant] But yet, he can handle all types, sizes, and shapes of defense ends. Oh, this guy's the, ooh, this is the 290 pound Demarcus Lawrence, right, coming off the edge. I can handle that. Right, I got the power. Ooh, it's Michael Parsons. Yeaah, he's a little faster than me.


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[Assistant] I prefer the Jordan Malata or the Lane Johnson or the Orlando Brown or Ronnie Stanley when he came out. I like that giant human being.


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[Assistant] Now, again, there's a line. That's why I liked Darnell Wright last year. I went Darnell Wright.


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[Assistant] He might have a little adjustment to some of the speed guys, but nobody's gonna overpower him.


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[Assistant] And that's where I got into that, let alone those guys to me more times than not, the Penny Sewells, the Dlane Johnsons, they're usually really good road grading blockers too. It's not just about pass protection. So that's how I kind of look at it. And the big picture thing, we know, hey,


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[Assistant] There's not enough of them to go around. There's a good class, and I think you add on that.


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[Assistant] With the fact of, we talk about there's so many good D linemen.


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[Assistant] There's not a lot of well-coached offensive linemen. There's not a lot of people on earth right now that can stand in there and block the Danielle Hunters and those type of people there are out there, right, that are just freaks of nature coming off the edge.


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[Assistant] And therefore, you need to find a freak of nature on your own edge to stop that charge.


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[Assistant] I think that's where we're seeing the value of this position really increase in the recent NFL. Quarterbacks contracts, how important it is to keep the quarterback healthy, added to all the good pass rushers, right? And we're seeing the top teams in football, your Detroit Lions, what have they got? The number one thing we talk about, big powerful offensive line, right? And I think it's a necessity we all overlook at times.


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[Assistant] He's got something there, you know. He was the rare...


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[Assistant] Right, he was like a little bit, that's rare for me to like that guy, all the way.


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[Assistant] Osiris Torrence was, uhm, you know, up in, uh, he was in Buffalo, right?


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[Assistant] Uh, he did a really good job. Matthew Bergeron started at guard for the Atlanta Falcons. We know Skaronci's good.


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[Assistant] John Michael Schmitz took over the center position for the New York Giants, right? Him and Joe Tippman were the two centers last year. I liked him better than Tippman. Tippman also started for the Jets too. And then we had


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[Assistant] Was maybe Steve Avila, this TCU guy we talked about and he ended up starting for the Rams for the whole year. You nailed this basically. I feel like this is one position.


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[Assistant] Exactly right. Body size, that arm length we talk about, right, of those guys, you put them in the bucket, now it's like, wait, which ones can play tackle, which ones can play guard, why does that make sense there?


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[Assistant] And then you start to decipher which ones has the power and makes sense to be a guard in the run game. Ooh, which one has no problems with anybody in pass pro. And that's, you know, again, what, what separated me with this whole list here. And, you know, I think it's a really great, interesting group altogether.


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[Assistant] J.C. Latham, Alabama, alright. I mean, man, do I love me some J.C. Latham, right? Let me just say this right off the bat. Again, he fits the guys that I talked about, right? He's Penny Sewell-ish. He's Tristan Worf's-ish, right?


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[Assistant] Big, perfect body to me as far as a right tackle, left tackle is concerned. You know, again, he played right tackle at Alabama. I don't think he's going to have any problem playing left tackle either with the kind of athlete he is. You know, one, you talk about the traits, right? Physical traits? Sure, got them all.


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[Assistant] The, the, as far as like movement, power, all that. But the traits we talk about that separates the really good tackles from the uuuh, the fringe tackle to the guard, right? There's two things to me that make sense there. The arm length is insane.


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[Assistant] Uh, feet, foot, feet, foot speed and all of that, right, is real good. It's not perfect. Right? So I'm going to say too.


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[Assistant] Hey, you know, I got Joe Walt number two. Joe Walt's awesome.


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[Assistant] He's, if you look at Joe Walt's film, he's the safer, more consistent pick, right? But not so much to me in this one where I go, wait, this guy's in that raw to where I'm like, oh man, I'm worried he's got to fix this, this, and this, right?


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[Assistant] Here's the thing I would say to people too. You know, again, a little raw. Watch the start of the season last year, you're not gonna be, I told you this before the thing, cause I almost texted you last night. You watch the start of the year, you watch Texas, the Ole Miss game, you're gonna see a few missed blocks, some bad angles in the run game, right?


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[Assistant] You know, but I'm big into like, let's watch the start of the year, now let me put on some games at the end of the year and see what this guy looks like, right? So, you watch some of that, you see all the physical traits and the wow-ness, you see all that, but there was some like, ah,


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[Assistant] Right? When I watched Auburn, Georgia and Michigan, forget about it. That's what sold me. I went, whoa, the guy got better at all the things that I was a little worried about. You know, he played under control, going to the second level. All of a sudden you go, but nobody goes by him now. Right?


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[Assistant] I'd watch pass protection and go, oh, he's worked on his, his bucket step and his footwork there. And I mean, Michigan guys couldn't get within 10 feet of the quarterback that day, nor could the Georgia guys or the Auburn guys. And again, we know those are top tiered talent college football defenses, right? So that's where I loved it. And so the length, you know,


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[Assistant] The power as far as the anchor, right? Cause that's the other thing I saw. Once he started to get a little bit better feel for the game, he was immovable. His anchor was the best.


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[Assistant] Right? His anchor was not good some games when you saw, okay, yeaah, he's playing basketball like he's playing tackle, and he gets a little like, oh, the guy faked me this way and I'm leaning, and now he hit me in the chest, and I lost it.


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[Assistant] I, to me, was like, oh man, this guy's got all the ability to do all that stuff and be amazing at it. As you saw, he started to get better at it, he was unstoppable, and then here's the other aspect too.


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[Assistant] So, not only is the pass protection, to me, elite superstar type potential and ability, the run blocking is phenomenal as well. Finishes off double teams emphatically. Emphatically, right? He enjoys that. He puts that shoulder in there and guys go flying or they fall to the ground.


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[Assistant] I also think he gets to a spot where, on some of these too, where you see where, wait, you know, he's got the guy locked up, the guy's stuck, right? His arms are so, like, it's not holding yet.


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[Assistant] You know, Milro scrambles and he holds him so, cause he's like, wait, where are you going? He holds them by accident. You know, but again, it's stuff where.


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[Assistant] Like I said, I just go that it's, it's being picky and I just don't have any doubt that he can clean that stuff up, let alone just maybe be a little less. Yeah. Like we talk about, he manhandles some people, sometimes people on the shoulders. It's not like two years ago.


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[Assistant] No, you know, I don't like to do that one. These are different humans, different things there, right?


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[Assistant] Alex Leatherwood was a first round pick, I think, only on the Raiders board, right? Let's just remember that. Nobody had him. The Raiders that year picked two guys that were like, everyone was like, what? They're not in the top 45 of our list here. How the hell did you pick them?


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[Assistant] So, you know, that's a little different. Evan Neil, we talked about already. Let's see where that goes. I think, I mean, we know this is a big year, right? But, no, this is-


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[Assistant] Right. Yeaah. Yeaah. And, and you know, again, Jedrick Will's been good.


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[Assistant] Jonah Williams, probably better guard than tackle in my opinion, but has had to play tackle for a lot of his career there. And yea, DJ Fluker. DJ Fluker would be the guy where I'd go...


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[Assistant] How can I take a quarterback from Ohio State? None of them ever work out. I don't, woah, woah, Ohio State quarterbacks, you can't touch them. That has nothing to do with that individual person, so you can't make an overarching theme or, you know, judgment that way.


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[Assistant] I mean, Panay Sewell and Tristan Wirfs is who I looked at, right? To go, that's who this guy reminds me of. Uh, he's damn special and I expect, yes, you know, damn special stuff for him once he gets on the field in the NFL. And this next guy, dang special.


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[Assistant] Yes, uh, Joe Walt's the safest pick. He's the most consistent film, the safest pick.


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[Assistant] Out of all the linemen in the draft, right? So if you're a team that's going, wait, we need to tackle and we can't miss and we need, like you said, to start before the thing, here's our starting tackle over the next 10 years, right? That's, I mean, you're, you're guaranteed of that.


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[Assistant] The, the, the floor is incredibly high. The ceiling is not as high as J.C. Latham, right? That we just talked about. No, it's not that, right? This is one where I go, hey, Joe Walt,


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[Assistant] I mean, it can be boring watching film of him. It's so consistently good. You're just like, oh, perfect technique, perfect running block, right? It doesn't always like domination, right? That, that's one thing I'll say where you're never physically dominated either. I think is the thing I'm big into that. Right. And there's, I write that about a bunch of guys here, right?


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[Assistant] And you could say that about Latham too. That's biggin' to me. When you, what's your loss look like?


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[Assistant] Right. What's your loss look like, right? And like these are guys where their losses are like stalemate wrestling matches at the line of scrimmage, right? They don't lose. They really don't.


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[Assistant] I look at Ault and just go, he's got really good feet, he's got the proper length, right? He's coached up pro ready, being from Notre Dame. He's technically sound in all areas. Alright, so that's where you really love Joe Ault.


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[Assistant] All pro? No, not that. Pro Bowl here or there? Sure. Mike McGlinchey? I think it's something like that type of guy. But I don't think I see the ceiling as much higher than that right there. Right?


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[Assistant] Uh, and again, that's still really damn good. I don't want to offend anybody by that, but I'm just trying to give a little nuance on to why I like Latham a little bit better, uh, than, than where Joe Walt is.


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[Assistant] I remember him. I mean, that's incredible. He's wearing the neck roll too. Turn around, go the other way. And there's John and there's little Joe.


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[Assistant] It's not always like what I see with J.C. Latham would hit that guy and go, whoa, I'm going to collapse you and your buddy next to you. And that whole sides guy, right? It's a little different that way.


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[Assistant] Great eyes, anticipates, right? That's again, that's part of this, like, hey, he sees stunts coming, he comes off the right way, does all that stuff, uh, knows how to use his hands, right? I'm gonna be interested in another reason I like latham better, right?


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[Assistant] I know, I know. So I just think I see too many pronunciations and I mess it up myself.


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[Assistant] Joe Wall, when he's gotta play that power rusher, right? There's a part of me that goes, ooh, I'm gonna be interested to see how well he is or how good he is in that department. But, you know, damn good football player. We know that definite. Like, you know, again, top 10, top 12 pick for sure.


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[Assistant] He just, he's, you know, he's reach blocks, cut off blocks, right? Things like that, where it's like, wait, you know, we're running over here, you're on my outside edge of my shoulder, and we're running over there.


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[Assistant] And he's got to cut off that backside defense end and not let him pursue and stop the run that way. He's great at that stuff. That's where, I mean, the athletic ability for a guy that's 6'9", 3'21", that's where it's special. And the pad level, that's where the other thing you look at with these tall guys, a lot of times you just go, they're too tall.


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[Assistant] Somebody's gonna get in their chest and they're gonna go on a roller coaster ride, right? He doesn't have that issue there. So it's, it's, it's really damn good. And like I said, I'll say it again.


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[Assistant] You know, he is the safer pick than Latham. And I understand why the draft community has him above that. And I'm sure there's going to be a team or two, or there's a bunch of teams that go, no, Joe Watson number one.


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[Assistant] You know, as I told you before, cause I was texting around a little bit about this, and- Am I crazy? Am I crazy? Is what you said to your friends. And people were like, no, you're not crazy to have Latham, you know, that high.


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[Assistant] I, I, I, you know, I don't think that's crazy as, as I'm saying here. I don't. I mean, I think these two guys are special. I really do. And Alt, you know, at five to the Chargers or whatever. I mean, yeah, I could see Harbaugh and company doing that. You know, GMs from the Baltimore Ravens.


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[Assistant] It's Jim Harbaugh. We know he wants to run the ball 33 straight times in a big game in college football. Like yes, that's where it starts for him.


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[Assistant] I, I, I mean, I, you could make a case that Amarius Mims is up there for the best pass protecting tackle in this draft, right? I mean, to, again, 6-8-3-40, right? I mean, it's Joe, it's really almost like a combination of Alt and, uh, Latham, Latham, damn it, Latham.


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[Assistant] Then all, but it's not as thick as Latham, right? Uh, had a little, you know, injury.


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[Assistant] Right? It's not perfect again as far as like technique and all that. He can play too high in the running game. That's for sure. But again, I think it's one of those where you look at it and you look at him as through the


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[Assistant] The test of time, it just continues to get better to where you look again at the end of the year and stuff last year and you go, no one has a


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[Assistant] When you talk about Passpro, that was one of the last things I wrote on my thing. I wrote,


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[Assistant] Passpro very good. Like, he is Passpro ready for the NFL right now. Like, you don't have to worry. He's gonna be able to block the best in the game in that department. It's the run game stuff and technique stuff that he's gonna need, you know, a little polish with. But that's really


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[Assistant] Right? I know I'm probably gonna be a little higher on him because of, like, what we're talking about. Like, because he hasn't played a lot, there was the injuries, all that.


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[Assistant] I wouldn't be shocked to see him maybe go a little lower than I expect, right? Like I wrote 15 to 25.


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[Assistant] Right? Is the NFL, because of the things you brought up, make him go 20 to 32? Right? Yep. It wouldn't to me. Cause again, I look at it and just go, it is a no-brainer. I mean again, I think this is a guy that would, I would say maybe as a higher ceiling.


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[Assistant] Then even Joe Walt, right? I mean, it's the intriguing


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[Assistant] You're doing that? You're doing that? Right. That's, that, that is, uh, you know, really, really impressive. You know, it's, like I talked about, even the consistency and technique in Prass Pro, I thought was really good.


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[Assistant] It, it's the ability to mirror. It's extremely impressive for the size of the human being and what he does. And then again, he's one of those guys, like even, uh, Latham.


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[Assistant] That's giving you a different size compared to Joe Walt.


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[Assistant] Right? Right. I mean, it's, it's like, he's got a body of a guy that you go, oh yea, what is he, is he, uh, is he a defense end that's 6'4, 278? Yea. You know what I mean? Oh, shit, he's 6'8, 340? Oh my gosh, Andy has the longest arms in the draft?


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[Assistant] Alright, getting to the second level, running, moving, side to side shuffle with the feet, strength, power, all there, get coached up, and make the adjustment, but yea, damn, I like me some of Marius Mimms.


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[Assistant] No, I mean, you know, eh, you know, it's, it's like the vertical jump and the broad jump are just a little bit about the explosion through the hips, the ability to do that.


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[Assistant] A little bit. There's some, there's things that translate there. I honestly think, oh, line coaches will look at it and go, ooh.


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[Assistant] The, the broad jumps more important to them because of that ability again to roll the hips through, right? To extend, to get your feet out there for the broad jump.


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[Assistant] Trent Brown on his best years, right?


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[Assistant] Tyler Guyden, Oklahoma. I think a lot of the same things we're gonna, we just talked about with the Marius Mims, it's the same type of stuff here. Maybe a little bit, uh, ooh, I thought I heard somebody in my ear there.


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[Assistant] Oh wait, sorry, so we changed it. Yes, we did. We did. Oh no. I just, I was like, alright, I guess I'm wrong here. We did. Uh, okay. I was wrong. I was wrong. That's my bad.


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[Assistant] I blanked out on myself here too, and because I have him so close and everything like that, I turned the page and his name was here anyways, Guidance. Okay, so we, we, we, we let you know. Guidance is number five. Okay, hold on, so ready? Let's, let's reset. Ready?


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[Assistant] His footwork is the worst of like his pure ability with his feet. Foot quickness and all that. Now, he's got some really intriguing things about his pass protection and he's


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[Assistant] You know, this is 6'6", 3'12", right? You know, it's 30-something pounds lighter than Latham. Uh, you know, 28 pounds lighter than Mims. You know, a few pounds, 10 or 12 pounds lighter than all, okay? I...


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[Assistant] The, his ability to get on pass rushers and get his arms on you and close the gap to where they can't go speed to power is phenomenal, right? He's great at that. And then once he gets you, he's got a great wide base and you can't get off of it, right? That's where it's impressive.


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[Assistant] Domination in the run game, okay? He's a little slow and lumbering in that department. I thought he was a little slow and lumbering altogether.


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[Assistant] The scouting world is in love with him. And I could probably see, yeaah, coaches in the NFL go, ooh, I think he might be a little bit more safer because of what I see in the pass pro thing. But I have...


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[Assistant] I think more questions with him compared to the first three guys we talked about on how it will translate to the NFL. He might be one of those guys that's a little better in college than we think it's going to be in the NFL.


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[Assistant] So that gives you pause. It gave me pause. Definitely. You know. And again, to me it's different than...


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[Assistant] The ability, the strength, all that. It's not, oh, he took a wrong step or he messed up or took a bad angle. It's like, no, no, no. It was all perfect that way and then came the clash and I didn't like what I saw there.


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[Assistant] A little more urgency in the game. To me is one of the things I wrote at the end. I would wish he would play with a little more urgency altogether and firing off the ball and being aggressive and dominating people that way.


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[Assistant] It's odd. It's rare. It would, it would bother me. I'm not, I'm just gonna tell you straight up. He's 6'6". Right. 3'12". Right. With long arms. Right. It doesn't really make sense. And it would bother me. There's no doubt it would.


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[Assistant] You know, again- Just like as you shake his hand, like, this just bothers me. Like, not even as a player. Well, we talk about hands and all that, and it's like, one of the-


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[Assistant] A lot of great players, right? You know, whether it's John Randall, a D-tackle, or offensive lineman.


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[Assistant] And, and like I talked about, out of all the, oh, Lyman we've talked about so far,


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[Assistant] I think he's my least favorite body, too. It's not that it's a bad body, right? But it's not my favorite. It's not my favorite. I like the other ones a little bit more.


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[Assistant] You know, like we talked about with Alton Latham, where I was like, uh, uh, I went back and read my notes, you know, one more time this morning. And I was just like, eh, my notes read that, you know, I like fashion new better right now.


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[Assistant] Right? Guyton, I like the potential of them better.


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[Assistant] The technique and all that. He is way too crazy high at times, right? Uh, and like you talked about a little bit with Fashion New,


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[Assistant] And again, it's another guy with pretty damn long arms here that just got the protocol look all together. Uh, the ability to mirror defenders with the feet is all really good. Now it just, again,


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[Assistant] But when you're in that bucket step, somewhat square to the line of scrimmage, these are things I've learned through the years a little, right? Now, okay, wait, you're starting to throw it outside, but when you come inside, now I'm in the position, I'm okay. My legs are underneath me.


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[Assistant] Right? And I can use my power to stop you, anchor you and stop that move. You're right. That was his issue at a lot of the places. He's all that. That's where I came away. Right? I went through about six or seven lines here of going,


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[Assistant] But again, I think there's some high stuff, high end stuff where I look at it and go, ugh, I kinda like him.


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[Assistant] The thought of what he could be more than Fashion New, but I just can't, this one was a little too much down to where I couldn't do the Latham, put him over, alt thing. I said, okay, wait, wait, no, he's definitely number five and Fashion New's number four.


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[Assistant] Oh, because he asked me two teams that just popped to your head right now, and I said, the Chiefs and the Cowboys.


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[Assistant] Wow. Wow. So they just get a second round pick from Minnesota next year. Yeah, must be something that they had. Hold on, I'm trying to figure this out. What did Minnesota and the Texans trade


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[Assistant] To end up having that second round pick. Uhm, I can't think of anything last year. I'm forgetting what the hell that could be. Well, Minnesota could be bad. Wow.


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[Assistant] That makes sense, they don't have a clear number one go-to guy.


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[Assistant] He does that. I think he's gonna be happy there in Houston with that quarterback. Obviously, Buffalo had enough. I said today, with the tweets, I just go in, I wish Stefan Diggs wouldn't do this, right? I don't think it helps him out with other teams. Maybe he did it knowing that this was coming down the pipes, knowing like, it doesn't matter, I'm already leaving, my team, I'm going somewhere else.


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[Assistant] I, I, I don't, yeah, I mean, it just, I don't know what really...


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[Assistant] Goes on there. I mean, it's been going on since, you know, for two years really, these little riffs and tiffs and all of that.


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[Assistant] So they got an extra second round pick. They're picking at the end of the first round, right? Is Buffalo going to be that team that makes a move?


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[Assistant] When we get into like, ooh, it's 16 or 17 and we're gonna see Buffalo trade up to get a receiver or something like that, that's the first thing that pops to my brain.


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[Assistant] They're not number one go to guys. Or number two. Are they number twos? No, no, not at this point. They're not. You're exactly right. They're not. They're actually like, yea, really high end threes probably. You're hoping Curtis Samuel can maybe show, he's shown


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[Assistant] Oh, that's what it was from. So that's what it was. That's exactly right. Okay, okay. Yeah, they traded up for that second first round pick. So the bills don't have a first round pick then?


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[Assistant] They dropped in at the end of the first round, aren't they? They dropped in at like 27, right? I'm pretty sure. What are you? Okay.


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[Assistant] So there's too many teams involved here that's confusing me. Minnesota traded to 23, right? You know, which was really Cleveland's pick through the trade for Deshaun Watson. You got it? It's very confusing to me now.


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[Assistant] Think I got it right? I think you did. Fuwanga? Fuwanga, right? Okay, alright. Oregon State. Alright. Fuwanga is awesome to watch.


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[Assistant] Fungwanga is, without question, the best run blocking offense alignment in this draft. Like, there's no doubt about it. And again, I think he can play tackle, he can do that, but I don't think he's ideal length for tackle.


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[Assistant] Hey, 6'6", he's 3'24", he's an incredible athlete, like I'm sure you saw Mr. Notes and Film Watcher over here. 33 and 1 eighths arm, right? That's not exactly ideal. Most NFL teams look like 34 or above when you're talking about franchise tackles, right? When you get into that conversation.


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[Assistant] He's the first guy off the ball every snap. I mean, he not, I mean, moves people is an understatement. Really. I mean, he's, it's a highlight film at times of watching him just absolutely destroy people on contact. That's where he's really good.


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[Assistant] And it's not like he hits you with his hands and tries to catch you and then push you and do all that. He delivers blows with his face.


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[Assistant] And, you know, his shoulders and moves people that way. Second level blocking, insane, right? Ability to move in space, cut people off, screen game, whatever. I mean, it's, it's elite. His run blocking is elite.


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[Assistant] Him and Latham enjoy dominating people more than anybody else. Kind of letting you know about it after, right? Like kind of like standing over you and being like, yeah, you know, how'd you like that right there, right? That's where it's phenomenal. And, you know, I, like,


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[Assistant] You know, side to side movement of all the great things he's athletic with, he's fast, you know, he reacts well. I did not think like...


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[Assistant] His side to side shuffle was as good as maybe some of the other tackles too. I think that's where I left him off as compared to tackle, where I was kinda like, okay, hey, I know he can play tackle, he can do it.


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[Assistant] He's, that's where the top heavy and not having the legs be like, cause you get it leaning and it's like, hey wait, you know, I'm a little more...


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[Assistant] But pulling guard, right? Like you said, wide receiver screen. I just gotta take a step and take the right angle and go to that DB and cut him off or crush him, whatever. Uhm, you know, it's incredible. He's, yeaah, he's man crush territory for Chris Sims. You know I love these guys.


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[Assistant] Arguably the best overall athlete of all the linemen in the draft.


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[Assistant] That, that, that is how I would look at it. He is a phenomenal athlete in every area, right?


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[Assistant] There's not a lot of bad to his game, okay? Pass protection, footwork, all of that is incredible, right? Got pretty long arms. He does, right? Now I don't know if he's got


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[Assistant] Ideal overall tackle length. I don't know if I really feel comfortable in that department, nor am I going to say again, do I know if I think his anchor is quite in the same


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[Assistant] You know, stratosphere is some of the top tackles we talked about, right? I mean, again, Latham, Mims, right? All, you saw guys run at them at full speed and sometimes you go, damn, I mean, they didn't move an inch. Like they literally were just like, no, this stops here. You shall not pass.


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[Assistant] The, he's got some nastiness in pass pro, right? He'll come off a guy and knock him and do that and, you know, he enjoys dominating in pass pro. I thought the run game stuff was underwhelming. To me, in the run game, he's a, he's a,


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[Assistant] A lesser physical Elijah Vera Tucker for the Jets. That's what I looked at. Could play guard or play tackle. He's a pretty safe pick because of that, right? And I think that's where a lot of teams will see that value and go, well, you know, we'd like him to tackle, but if it doesn't work, he can definitely do guard. Uhm, really like the player, incredible athlete.


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[Assistant] Mims and, and Latham and all, they're like up straight and they just boom, right? They just throw those hands out there and the guys like do that. He kinda goes and like his whole body goes.


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[Assistant] Played left tackle at Duke, no way he'll be a left tackle in the NFL. He's Joe Tooney to me, that's who I look at, right?


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[Assistant] That to me is who he looks like in his uniform, he plays like him, right? I like, I mean, again, Graham Barton, again, is another guy that I'd go, he's a really safe pick. I think some of these safe picks might get a little overvalued because teams are just gonna go, wait,


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[Assistant] Consistency, he's the Joe Alt of guards, let's just say. Consistency gets the job done, right, he's a twitchy athlete with very good feet, right, can do all the things that we heard Joe Alt talk about with Connor.


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[Assistant] It's great cutoff block, reach blocks, all those things athletically are really damn good, alright. You know, he delivers the blow like a guard.


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[Assistant] Being in spay, he just, he's, again, we're, we're talking about tackles in the NFL. I know there's a, you know, a Teron Armstead, right, who's maybe not the guy we're talking about, but in general,


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[Assistant] Again, the really good ones have become giant human beings because of the versatility and the craziness and the freaks of nature we're seeing that come off the edge that are at an all time high in the NFL. At all time.


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[Assistant] Chris Jones in some snaps is going to be out there and you're going, do you think Graham Barton is really going to be able to block Chris Jones when he has a speed to power move? Right? Right? No. No, he's not. He's better if Chris Jones is right in front of him, doesn't get a little momentum. He can get on him, use his technique, move him that way. Right? That's where I think he is. Uh, you know, he, he, he is, um,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I-I-I think I kinda hit a- I wish there were some plays where I go, I wish he'd play with a little bit lower pads. I feel like he can hit people a little high at times.


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[Assistant] That's exactly right. And that, you know, again, that's where I, you know, Joe Alt, this guy,


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[Assistant] Stoutness a little bit. Power of the body. That's what I like about Powers Johnson. Powers Johnson is made to be a top notch


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[Assistant] That's where I really like it. Now where I say he needed the polish and all that is I think he needs like, the run game could, could, uh, use a little work, right? Right? But I still think I saw enough there that I went,


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[Assistant] You know, I think this could, he can be good at this. It's just Oregon didn't run a ton. That wasn't what they were all about. Their runs were, let's throw another screen pass, right? Something like that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but when I looked at them from the past protection...


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[Assistant] It's, it's like, yeah, it's sometimes a little pad level or change direction. He kind of has like the Fred Flintstone run where he's got these short little strides and all of that. Maybe it's good, you know, short choppy steps. But he can, it can, it can help him, uh, you know,


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[Assistant] Be under control and blocking space that way. But yeaah, I want to see him be a little bit more of a road grader. That was my biggest thing. It's the run game stuff that I really wanted to see improve or be taken to the next level.


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[Assistant] You know, I was perfectly happy with going, wait, the power guys, he's gonna be fine. The quicker, faster D tackles, he's got enough speed and side to side shuffle and foot quickness that way to where I would feel comfortable about that as well.


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[Assistant] I don't, it wouldn't be crazy, I mean we know, I think O-Line is on their radar.


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[Assistant] Right? That's where I go, ooh, I like this kid a lot. He's got a lot like, he's got a body and a playing style that's similar to the guy we talked about early at the start of the draft. Matthew Bergeron, right, who went in the second round of the Falcons at guard. It's that kind of body. Now I'm not going to say he's quite as physically


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[Assistant] But when you talk about the athletic ability and what's necessary to play the guard position,


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[Assistant] Him getting the second level, linebacker safeties, whatever. Blocking in space. I mean, incredible. Moves well side to side. Like the athletic abilities there, he can.


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[Assistant] But like it, it's the, uh, we'll look at them here and you go the athleticism.


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[Assistant] The get off and the run game, bendable and pliable, right? To be in those wrestling matches and still win them in awkward positions, right? Good power on contact, moves people with the initial blow, right? Loose hips, bendable like I talked about.


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[Assistant] Keeps legs going on contact, right? You know, I wish he was a hair more nasty like Bergeron I wrote, write that.


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[Assistant] A little less of an athlete so he doesn't have to go, I have to get out here and like work as hard. Like we talk about in the DB, right, who runs 4-2, he can go 90% and run 4-3-5 and still go, wait, I'm under control. I can cut at a whim here and on a dime, right? Same thing with tacos sometimes.


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[Assistant] He doesn't scare me upfield as much, so I can get my feet and my weight underneath me. And now Trice, who likes to overpower people with speed to power.


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[Assistant] Not gonna do that as well because this guy was like, wait, wait, no, I'm plenty of fast enough to block you. I'm bracing for the power move, right? And that's where...


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[Assistant] He does. He's, I'm excited for him. You know, again, it's...


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[Assistant] Again, I wouldn't be mad if a team, you know, at 10 or 9 or whatever took this guy. He's worthy of that. Damn good player starts and makes your O-line, you know, uh, noticeably better on the inside right away.


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[Assistant] Latham's awesome. Just like we thought, Latham is the man. He's looking like he could be the best tackle in football. Alright, I think he has that type of ability. And my man crush, Inamarius Man. I love it. I love it.


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[Assistant] Uhm, three weeks ago, Michael Pennix Jr. was not getting the credit he deserves, and all of a sudden, I feel like here as of late, everyone's like, yeaah, I think Michael Pennix Jr. is a top 20 pick, which I wanna be like, yeaah, I mean, guy that throws lasers all over the field, and it feels like,


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[Assistant] This guy's falling out of favor a little bit in the draft community or whatever, so.


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[Assistant] Yo, yo homies, what's up? I know it's the off season, but it's never the off season on Chris Sims Unbuttoned. Me and Ahmed Fareed are gonna be here for it all. You know, we got free agency. We're gonna break it all down.


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[Assistant] The draft, the rankings of positions. Of course, we're gonna unpack it all. Hit subscribe, get to my free agency reactions, 2024 draft rankings and more. Thanks again for watching. Peace out, homies. See you soon.


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[Assistant] KC baby, that's right. This is CS and that's AF. Okay, that's right. I got those initials right. I mean, come on. Don't make me think too much. You know that.


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[Assistant] He is wearing his 49er red pants today. He's already, he's already given up on the Lions. He's already changed his football team love. Not really. We're going to unpack that once again today. A little bit more. I looked at the film, deep dive, both championship games, lots to talk about. We got some good news to talk about. But more importantly, how are you? Because Monday was...


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[Assistant] As edgy as I've ever seen you. I was... I even went home to tell my wife, and she was like, how was almond? And I was like, honestly?


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[Assistant] I was like, it's the most, it was the first time ever I could tell he was bothered by a day or annoyed, whatever. Something was hanging over you and like natural niceness of almond wasn't that natural that day.


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[Assistant] Well, that's good. I'm happy to hear that, certainly. You know, I'm sorry that we're going to unpack this game a little bit. I'm not sure, but once we unpack it, I'm not sure you're going to feel better or worse. I'm going to just say that to you right now. A little bit warning, but I hear you with the Ben Johnson thing. That was like, that to me was huge news yesterday. Huge.


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[Assistant] I mean, we know, we're gonna hit on some of these coordinators and new head coaches and everything there, but easily, and excuse my voice, I'm a little sniffly today, I'm a little clogged up, so I might sound a little different.


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[Assistant] But, but I think I would be happy too if I'm a Lions fan today. That was huge. I mean, you know, this is without question one of the best offensive minds in football. Period.


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[Assistant] No doubt in my mind, it's not like, oh, he's got this great supporting cast. Yea, he's got some people around and we know that offensive line and certainly a lot of good players. But I've been around enough to know enough to watch football and go, wait, I don't care who the players are. He knows how to get people open. He knows how to design a run game. He knows how to set plays up.


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[Assistant] He knows how to call plays and the proper sequencing like we talk about so much, right? So, those, I put him up there with Shanahan, Mike McDaniel.


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[Assistant] Kevin O'Connell, who we talked about during the year. Andy Reid, right? Sean Payton. Le Fleur. Le Fleur. He's in that group. Where it's like, he could come up with a game plan against any defense in football, and you go, uh oh, you better watch out, he's got you today. Right? So, the big point being,


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[Assistant] Your lions are gonna be back. That's what it feels to me, right? Like, without Ben Johnson, I was like, hey, I know the lions are still good.


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[Assistant] How good will they be next year? What's Jared Goff gonna look like now without like, you know, a great big time play caller, play designer, knows how to do things around his quarterback and make him look good? What's he gonna look like, right? Those questions are gone.


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[Assistant] Now you are for sure still one of the NFC powers, right? And I know you were there anyways, but like in the upper echelon, elite powers of the NFC. So from that standpoint, it's amazing for the Lions. You should feel happy. And I'm glad you got a little silver lining of the week. It was nice.


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[Assistant] You definitely have defined roles, right? Where he knows like, oh, it's Brock, right? He's going to block tight end. He's a block every now and then we'll throw him a ball here and there when the team's not ready for it. Loporto will be the guy.


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[Assistant] Jameson Williams is the guy that's gonna go deep. Reynolds is gonna do a little of everything, right? So yes, he understands players, their skill sets, how to use them, and what's the best way to get the most out of them, let alone the offensive line. And listen, that too, with the Bobby, uh, with the Ben Johnson thing, that is huge.


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[Assistant] Also, because that's a big blow to the Washington commanders. It really is. The commanders, where they are, sitting pretty for a top quarterback in the draft, right? He's the guy that comes in and goes, wait, no, no, we're good with Sam Howell.


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[Assistant] And let's use this on other stuff or he's, hey, I know who to pick for my offense and let's get this thing rolling. And as we know, offensive coordinators, guys that can develop quarterbacks, turn them around, whatever. That is the it thing right now in coaching. And I think the commanders and I think everybody around football, and I said this today to Florian PFT.


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[Assistant] Agents, coaches, everybody, I think felt like Ben Johnson of the commanders was going to happen. Ben Johnson is a real coach.


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[Assistant] He's not a political adversary, he's not calling around, right? He reminds me a lot of Shanahan, where he's just like, I just want to be locked in a room and come up with a game plan. I don't want to have to call this guy and this agent and this beat writer to try to politic and get the job, right? I don't think he's like that. Let alone, I think he knows he's really good, right?


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[Assistant] Like Shanahan did when he was in Atlanta, and he was like, wait, when I'm a head coach, I might only have one shot at this.


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[Assistant] I'm going to be in a spot where it's all set up exactly the way I like it.


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[Assistant] And there was something there with the commanders that he didn't like. Or maybe he wants more power or more years on his contract. So he's like, you can't get rid of me after two years, right? Let your, like, let your plan develop, right? Six year contract. Okay, you gotta keep me for a few years here so I can work this.


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[Assistant] You know, did he have an issue with Adam Peters, the new GM there, having all the power? I wonder. I'll get the story eventually, but that was a shocker to me yesterday that he did not take that job and was going back to the Detroit


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[Assistant] Which is the hottest thing going right now. Get a Shanahan Disciple and you're gonna be good. Right? That one was not as shocking to me. That'd be, to me, back to your guy here, was like Ben Johnson last year. Where he was like, I think this was the right move for slowing.


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[Assistant] Go, wait, I've called plays for one year. I've just become an offensive coordinator.


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[Assistant] He's probably looking at going, I'm good, but I don't even think I'm as good as I can be at this yet. Before I have to go, wait, become a head coach and then.


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[Assistant] Wait, I'm still trying to get better at offensive coordinator? And now I gotta worry, wait, the defense, I don't like that? Wait, what, the GM's asking me something about players? Hold on, I haven't coached my offense yet. I didn't even get to that. Wait, what? Uh, so, I think that was the right move too. Stay there.


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[Assistant] He's got a good offense, a good system, he's creative. A confident coach can make that type of decision and go, I'm going to get another chance cause I know I'm really good at what I do. You know, I know it's dicey cause you know, you know, you never know something can happen and all of a sudden the next year you're not up for the candidacy, right?


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[Assistant] Uh, I still think it's, it's one with Slowick. It's I'm not ready yet. I think I need a little more seasoning. Ben Johnson, I think it's more I'm the man.


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[Assistant] And I'm going to wait until I get a job and the three or four most important things to me are all lined up the way that I want them to be, right? And I think the commander saying must've had something there that he just didn't like or didn't trust. And he was like, I'm not going into my first rodeo like this.


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[Assistant] You usually push back on things that I might say that you go, okay, people are going to think this is critical and you give the other side of the story. This was a conversation on Monday where you're like, no, you're wrong.


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[Assistant] I tried to like bring this up again to Florio today, right? Cause Arthur Smith, we see it, I think we've seen the offense the last few years in Atlanta. And we go, well, what was so special about that, right?


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[Assistant] You know, okay, let's, let's not forget, he was the OC of the Tennessee Titans. They had...


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[Assistant] Top offenses in football, like, right? In 2019, I think that was his first year as an OC. They were like 10 or 11 in total yards. Went to the AFC Championship game, though, and lost. The next year, they were a number, what, I think a number four seed, maybe? But they were the number two offense in football, right? The number two offense in football.


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[Assistant] With a guy who's a social media meme at times and Ryan Tannehill at quarterback, which he should not be, but that's what he is, right? I think this fit is perfection, right? Arthur Smith from the, you know, Mike Malarkey, Mike Munchek,


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[Assistant] Smash Mouth, tough, detailed, right? Beat you up that way, creative run game, and then...


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[Assistant] What was awesome with Tannahill and the Titans when we were just talking about those years, they were a great down the field throwing football team. That's what everybody in Pittsburgh wants. Right? That's what they're, and they got receivers on the outside that can do that.


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[Assistant] So, I look at this and go, wait, that defense, we know they need a few extra players there, the old line is going in the right direction, probably need another player or two there, but now you add his scheme to it, his run game creativity,


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[Assistant] I think it's going to make that a very complete football team and much more dangerous on the offensive side of the ball. I really like it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well that's, I get that. You know, one, I think, hey,


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[Assistant] Pits in London are real good players, but I think maybe a little overvalued in the fantasy world or the fan world right now. To go, I just would go, guys, these aren't like, Drake London is not a game breaker yet. We're not like, oh, we gotta double Drake London or we're screwed. Alright, so we're not there yet.


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[Assistant] Pits is really good. He's becoming a better run blocker.


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[Assistant] But I think the biggest thing there and why they didn't meet expectations is why.


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[Assistant] Quarterback. Exactly right. They were handcuffed in a major way.


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[Assistant] I mean, Mariota did some good things last year, we know that, but Mariota's a less than...


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[Assistant] Less than throwing quarterback as far as what's concerned or average throwing quarterback in the NFL. And that's the same thing with Desmond Ritter. So, let's see where it goes here. Cause he knew how to run the ball in Tennessee with Derrick Henry. He knew how to get the ball to A.J. Brown and be dangerous that way. I think he'll be able to do the same thing for Najee Harris and George Pickens.


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[Assistant] No, but I think Pickett is a better player than Ritter. I do. Now, Pickett's just gotta start showing


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[Assistant] Some elitability and stuff like that. And he's been in a tough situation too. So it's hard to totally gauge it. But I think as we both have talked about a lot, right?


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[Assistant] Well, there's things we like about Pickett, but there's nothing that makes you say, wow, or oh, he's really good at that. If they could find an OC that could make him better, or find more ways to show that, right? There's not that aspect.


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[Assistant] They're gonna bring people in there to compete with him. I wouldn't be shocked if Florio brought this up.


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[Assistant] I think it's a good thought. I wouldn't be shocked if that's a place where Ryan Tannehill's the backup this year. Where they go, wait, Pickett, you're the starter. It's not in stone.


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[Assistant] But you're the starter and we're going to have somebody here that puts pressure on you. And if you get outperformed in camp or don't play good the first two or three weeks, we will put this guy in and we feel confident he can run the team. So I would expect some sort of move like that this offseason.


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[Assistant] I-I'm intrigued by this. You know, one... Kellen Moore is another guy where...


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[Assistant] Don't just look at last year. There was a lot of factors last year. You know, Herbert hurt, right? Mike Williams hurt.


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[Assistant] Right, Austin Eckler, contract situation, not a top tier running back anymore. Right, right, there's that. Oh wait, our defense is horrible. Holy cow, right, so there was a lot of issues team oriented there. Let's not forget he had top five offenses with the Dallas Cowboys. Here's where I'm most interested though.


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[Assistant] His offensive attack is a little different than what they've been doing with the Eagles the last few years, right? The Eagles have been spread, read option, RPOs, quarterback design, run.


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[Assistant] You know, run the ball, oh, you're playing man to man, aggressive throw, one on one downfield, right? That's who they are. Kellen Moore, they do it a little bit, he does it a little bit more through the, the,


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[Assistant] The traditional offense, drop back pass game, shotgun, you know, get underneath the center, center, run the ball a little bit.


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[Assistant] You know, I know he has some of these plays in his playbook. I remember them with Dak Prescott. They certainly had some RPOs and all that, but it wasn't a mainstay of their offense.


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[Assistant] So I'm interested to see how Jalen Hurts takes to, you know, being used maybe in some different ways than he was in the past and see how he could capitalize on that and maybe what they could bring out of his game to take him to the next level.


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[Assistant] Right. As the saying goes. Exactly how the saying goes. But I agree, you're right. I think it's going to be a little bit of like, wait, is this going to be something that expands Jalen Hurts, you know, attack? Or is it going to be like, oh wait, this shines a light on some things he can't do, and we'll see where it goes from there.


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[Assistant] I would think, and if he made me bet, it's gonna be the first. That it's gonna bring something new to their offense and new to his game. That's only gonna help him out. And, uh, we know he's willing to work at it and get better at it, that's for sure.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Like, Tennessee I don't worry about, right? Cause they just got Brian Callahan, who's gonna be their offensive coordinator. Right? So that's not a big deal.


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[Assistant] If I had to look at one right now, the Washington one is where I'm interested to see where that goes. I think so. Just because of the quarterback situation, we know they have weapons, right? Running backs are good.


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[Assistant] The enemy was there, there was good there.


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[Assistant] Right, but what are they gonna do? What's their new vision? Adam Peters coming for the 49ers, all of that. You know, so that's, I guess I'm interested in that just to see, cause they have talent to be something special.


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[Assistant] Yeah, New England's really interesting too. Don't get me wrong with the Mac Jones, the quarterback situation, Gerard Mayo, first time head coach.


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[Assistant] He's been there and seen guys like Josh McDaniels. I know how good they are. Josh McDaniels is out there and available right now. But is that too close to the Bill Belichick? Like, school of thought. He doesn't want to hear that. So yeaah, I'm intrigued to see what Jerrod


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[Assistant] I don't think so. I mean, I don't think he's gonna...


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[Assistant] They've relinquished some of their power to Adam Peters here now, right?


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[Assistant] I think that's exactly right. Right. It'd take a special situation. You know, I know people


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[Assistant] You know, oh, Philly, right? Philly, maybe that'd be one place where, yea, if they did fire Serati, he'd go, okay, Howie knows how to build a team. I know that.


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[Assistant] I can coach these guys. Okay, it's good. It's all in place. Their system has already proven itself to me, so I don't need to interject. But I think a lot of these teams and organizations, they go, wait, your shit hasn't worked in 20 years. And now I'm supposed to just trust that


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[Assistant] The shit that you did behind the scene that didn't work is gonna work for me? He's going, I'd like to...


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[Assistant] My thoughts into that department there. Your scouting isn't that good. Your team built, whatever. And I think that is definitely an issue. And yeah, I mean him and Vrabel, I feel like you're in a similar situation where I don't think either one Vrabel to me in a lot of ways is even the hotter coaching candidate.


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[Assistant] Cause it's, you're talking about 10 years he can still be the head coach. He's young, he's in his prime.


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[Assistant] That to me is another one that's shocking, but I think a lot of the same way, you know, he had a GM that was not adequate for him.


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[Assistant] You know, to start his time in Tennessee, right? In uh, Robinson, John Robinson. And then he obviously butted heads. Everybody in football thinks he butted heads with Rand Carton.


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[Assistant] And he wants more control. And I just look at Washington and Seattle, the two spots that are open right now, and they have GMs that are pretty strong personalities and people that want to control. They're not going to let Mike Vrabel come in and go, Oh yeah, I'll take a back seat.


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[Assistant] John Schneider, he just finally got the power from me, Carol. He's not gonna hire a coach and go, huh, take it away from me again, right? So, uh, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Well, here's my thought with Callahan. He's never called plays, right? So I'm interested to see how that goes. It's been the Zach, I mean, Zach Taylor kind of runs the show there. And what I find, like,


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[Assistant] We've talked about the Bangos offense in depth through the last few years, right? Especially the start of the year. It's always a little underwhelming as they get going.


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[Assistant] Callahan, Zach Taylor, they start to crack the code and you start to go, whoa, okay. Even though it's not like amazing bells and whistles of smoke and mirrors, you still go, damn, people are open. Ooh, that's the right run. That's the right throw. That's the right check, right? It works that way. But I just, what also is intriguing to me about this is like, poor Lou Anarumbo. Lou Anarumbo, the D coordinator of the Bengals has been like, I was the guy. I mean, I've been the guy.


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[Assistant] Like, our defense, we went to the Super Bowl and the AFC Championship game and it was all because our defense came up with these crazy awesome game plans. And damn.


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[Assistant] We have just a little down here, we lose some players at free agency, and I'm just...


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[Assistant] And the guy who's not really that in charge of the game planning on the offensive side of the ball, he's going to get the head coach? I just, I, I felt for him cause he was probably like, damn, what do I got to do? But, uh, I'm, I'm interested to see this Brian Callahan thing. And I think it's certainly good for a Will Levis to have a guy like this to implement that system into his life.


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[Assistant] Well, exactly right. Right now. And that's why I said the Ben Johnson thing was such a big deal. Everybody's looking for that OC quarterback mastermind.


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[Assistant] That's where we are in this world right now. I mean, if you're a defensive coach, you got to be like incredible. Everybody's like, well, I don't want that guy. Defensive coach. All he's going to do is hire. We're going to have a quarterback and office quarter. They're good. They're going to leave and then we're going to be stuck with the defensive coach. I mean, that's the thought of most owners right now. It's kind of crazy.


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[Assistant] I love that hire. You know, I know a lot of people are going to go, well, he was already a head coach. Why is it going to work this time? I mean, first off, he was like one of the youngest head coaches in the history of football when he got made the head coach. I don't think.


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[Assistant] He thought he was going to be a head coach when he became a head coach with the Buccaneers.


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[Assistant] John Gruden, the Bucks, you know, you know, I know everything that kind of went on down there.


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[Assistant] I don't think after the 2008 season they were like, oh, we're gonna fire Jon Gruden.


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[Assistant] They were going to have an end of the season meeting. How could we go forward?


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[Assistant] Jonathan, John Gruden pushed back against everything the owners and management said and basically told him like, how dare you question me, I'll do things the way I want to. And they said, how dare you question me, I own the team, you're fired. That's kind of what happened. So it wasn't like,


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[Assistant] Oh, you know, this plan and we're going to fire Groot because Raheem's ready. So all of a sudden that kind of happened. I think even ownership was like, I can't believe we fired John Groot in today.


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[Assistant] Who do we gotta make the head coach? Everybody down there thought Raheem had head coaching future potential. So they made him the guy. Probably too early. Definitely too early. Let alone...


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[Assistant] Let's not forget, he was the head coach of the Bucs, and they spent like zero f***ing dollars to help him out. Then Greg Schiena became the head coach, and they were like, here's a hundred million dollars, go get Daryl Rivas, go get that guy, go get this guy, go get that guy. And Rahim was probably like, what the hell? Rahim is a great divas of mine, he's a great leader of men, he thinks outside the box,


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[Assistant] He knows what a good offense looks like cause I'm working with Shana Hannah McVeigh, right? A lot of defensive coaches don't even really know what an offense looks like. They just go, that guy's good. He's hard to defend, but they don't really know why.


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[Assistant] Raheem knows why, and then he has a background with Rich McKay who was in Tampa when I was there, and of course Rich McKay there is now, and we know people want to be comfortable with people they're comfortable with. So, uh, that's the reason he's there, but he is an awesome, awesome leader, and I'm pumped for Raheem Morris.


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[Assistant] Definitely, 100%. This is where you want to be.


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[Assistant] He's a Pennsylvania guy. He wanted to be the Eagles defensive coordinator last year. Gannon said he was stag. He went to Miami. So, not shocked at all. Like, what we saw, when I saw the news on Thursday,


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[Assistant] Vic Fangio and the Dolphins Parting ways, right? I just went, well, let me check my watch. The next 12 hours, they're gonna say he's the new D coordinator of the Eagles. So, I think everybody saw that coming. Uh, and, yeaah, I think more or less that was a little bit more of a, you know, they didn't fire him.


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[Assistant] He went down there and said, Hey, I'd like to leave. I don't want to live here. I don't want to be here. I want to go back to Philly. My family's there, do that. And that's, that's where we have.


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[Assistant] Best mates, best guys, best support system, and put him in a spot where it's like, oh yea, you wanna leave now? And he was like, yea, I guess so, I do. If you're gonna like force assistance down my throat, do all that.


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[Assistant] I don't have any doubt he's going to be the coordinator of one of these teams. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the Miami Dolphins when it's all said and done. Uh, he's one of the best defensive minds of football. So yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll see where that goes. But yeah, we got to Washington. You got to figure out who the head coach is. Green Bay.


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[Assistant] Certainly going to be interesting to see what goes on there. The Rams without Raheem. Yeaah, there's definitely some movement and some big time hires that still got to come about here in the


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, you're right at Graham Taylor. Of course it's Steve Spagnolo. What he did, the defensive game plan, all of that. He called the bluff on the Ravens. A little bit of what we said on Monday. He called the bluff. I wasn't wrong as far as that is watching on TV. He went