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[Assistant] I was neutral because A, they got two Matt Canada games, so good. But B,


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[Assistant] It was the Sean Watson second game, still coming back, still rusty, so he hadn't had his full run. So I went neutral, I didn't think that was... Yea, I went neutral as well.


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[Assistant] Uh, the Ravens, we'll go third. The Ravens, they were home against the Ravens in Week 3 at Baltimore in Week 10. I actually think this was a...


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[Assistant] Uh, this is week 4 actually, not week 3. But a terrible situation for playing Baltimore. A, you played them without Deshaun Watson in the first game, it was after the injury. And week 10, even though they beat Baltimore,


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[Assistant] Baltimore just walloped Detroit, had just walloped Seattle. They went into that game riding high. That's not when you wanted to play Baltimore. It didn't end up mattering, but.


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[Assistant] I thought the Browns actually got a bad stick with the Ravens considering it was post to Sean Watson and DTR making his first start and then against the Baltimore team in Baltimore who was the hottest team in football at the time. But did we get the Ravens the first time after the loss to the Colts? No, you got, the Colts game was after that. The Colts was after San Francisco. So the Sean plays Tennessee.


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[Assistant] We'll get to San Francisco in a sec, but week three first was Tennessee. Neutral, good, bad. I was neutral on this one. Yeah, I don't know why we...


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[Assistant] I was neutral on that. We'll go quickly to San Francisco then. And I had bad for San Francisco. San Francisco was the hottest team in football. 5-0. You did not want to play them when the Browns did. And they still beat that ass. So, shout out to PJ.


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[Assistant] And that was such a physical game. Trent Williams got hurt. Debo got hurt. McCaffer was banged up. If you were playing this from another team's standpoint...


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[Assistant] Cincinnati. Cincinnati actually got lucky in this scenario.


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[Assistant] Essentially perfect. Uh, next up, Indie. Good, bad, neutral.


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[Assistant] They pulled that rabbit out of a hat. I actually went with kind of bad because it was a new coach and a new quarterback that had no tape.


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[Assistant] We'll go to this next one really quick. Arizona, no Kyler, they played Kyler. That was perfect. Could do any better. Denver next, and I think Denver, they hit him at the worst time possible. Before game win streak, he wanted to play Denver early when they were giving up 70 points or 35 points. In the last four weeks, the defense has only given up 19. I don't think you'd hit them at a much worse time than right now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's right. That is? Yeah. Seeing all cats throws me off sometimes. Are you McNugget Cantus Belly? I just questioned. I didn't spell it.


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[Assistant] Are they 5 and 6? I thought they were 6 and 5. I could be wrong. But still, Stafford's healthy, which is...


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[Assistant] I thought Houston would be a three or four win team. You wanted Houston early in the season before CJ Stroud became that dude and right now CJ Stroud's playing as well as anyone at the G's point real quick on LA.


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[Assistant] Jason said it wasn't a must win on Monday. He's like, it would help. Technically it's not. But if you lose that game, if you lose to LA,


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[Assistant] You have such an onus and a razor thin margin of error the rest of the way. You do. Like razor thin, and if anyone feels comfortable, and being honest with themselves, if they feel comfortable,


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[Assistant] Operating on a razor thin margin of error with Joe Flacco, DTR, PJ Walker. You should go get yourself checked out. That's an issue.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, he just rubs me the wrong way too. He held the whole Jets season sabotage with this hole, I'm going to come back, you guys can't go actually get a better quarterback because I'm going to come back, don't waste an ass and I'm coming back. He's going to say he wants to practice, he's going to be eliminated from the playoffs, he's not going to play, they're going to lose, he's going to bring all his friends back in, Alan Lazar's not even, he's a healthy scratch now. So they bring all these dudes in for Aaron Rodgers and get out of here.


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[Assistant] This is the year. This is the year. We went over the whole number before the season, the quarterback rankings. And take the, wherever the Sean fit it, it was nine of the top ten were in the AFC.


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[Assistant] And it could be like, hey, did you take the trash? It could be absolutely nothing, but when you get that text, hey, we gotta talk, you immediately go to worst case scenario. That's how I feel about patching with Holmes. Like, patching with Holmes is worst case scenario, but sometimes, yeah, Gabby, sometimes I guess she says we gotta talk.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, it goes either from that or to, hey, did you pick up whatever. Like, that's the passion we're almost over.


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[Assistant] Gee, gee, when you said, and we'll get the one on one matchups in one sec. Was it Bo who thought your wife's name was Rose Bush Bush when he first told us it was Rose Bush?


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[Assistant] When he said her name was Rosebush, he was like, I think it was Bull. Oh, so he then thought- He thought her name was Rosebush. Who in the hell would name their child Rosebush?


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[Assistant] Well, he was like, so her name is Rose Bush Bush? And we're like, no, it's Rose. Bush. Space. Bush.


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[Assistant] If Joe Flacco is the quarterback, he needs time in the pocket. And Aaron Donnell, we mentioned it before, is as good, if not the greatest ever pass rusher from the interior defensive line. He is the highest graded PFF pass rusher, seven consecutive years from 2015 to 2022. And if Joe Flacco is running for his life and there's consistent pressure coming out the middle from that guy, number 99.


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[Assistant] It's gonna be a long day for Joe Flacco, and we have two all-pro guards in Joe Plotonio and Wyatt Teller. If those guys can't hold up against...


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[Assistant] Aaron Donald, if I hold up, I mean at least put a little bit of resistance on his path to the quarterback. I do not like Joe Flacco's chances come Sunday.


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[Assistant] That's, you just can't do that. How would you guys match up Newsome? Let's assume Denzel's not playing. He didn't practice again yesterday, so he's probably unlikely to play on Sunday. How would you match up Newsome and Emerson against Cup and Nakua?


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[Assistant] So Anthony Walker was technically limited in practice yesterday, which means he was able to do something. That's a good sign. Something could mean anything, he was limited.


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[Assistant] And J.O.K., trying to stop Kyron Williams, by the way, who's been phenomenal the last couple weeks. And, he's not just a runner.


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[Assistant] But he's been really good in the screen game as well. That's where JLK and Walker come in to try and track him down. He had two receiving touchdowns last week against Arizona. He's gone over 100 yards on the ground in three of the last four games, over 200 yards total in two of their last three games. If it's not


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[Assistant] It's by air, he's the focal point of their offense, even with Kupp and Nakua in the line-up. So, whether it's J.O.K. or preferably J.O.K. and Anthony Walker trying to chase down 23.


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[Assistant] The Browns are gonna need pretty heroic performances from their linebackers. And tomorrow on the WKYC show, Coach Todd is gonna break down some JOK film to show what he's done, what he did so well against Denver and what he's gonna have to do.


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[Assistant] Against LA to keep that up and shut him down.


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[Assistant] Lebron James wouldn't be Lebron if it wasn't for David Blatt.


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[Assistant] Is there something to the fact that because it's so hard to hit them legally, when you can theoretically hit them legally, players are just getting their full on, like, full Donkey Kong, hold up the B button, you know, in Smash Bros. G, like, you know what I'm talking about? Like, is that, another reference?


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[Assistant] I'll tell you very honestly, I had a text exchange with a member of the Steelers staff with a member of the Steelers coaching staff. The Steelers are very thin at inside linebacker and I said, well,


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[Assistant] I just saw the Patriots and I think you could put ME at inside linebacker and be okay.


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[Assistant] I was. I was. And you know, like I love the fact that I couldn't carry a notebook, I couldn't carry a phone, everything was drenched, and my mic inside that Ziploc bag. Are we supposed to say, what are, what is the, you know how like you're not supposed to say Kleenex, you're supposed to say tissues and not Band-Aid, you're supposed to say bandage? What is the generic word for Ziploc? Plastic. It's a zipper bag? A zippered bag?


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[Assistant] Pointed to Bailey Zappi starting for the Patriots, but Belichick wouldn't say it. The players wouldn't say it.


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[Assistant] A little differently. Those two quarterbacks are different enough that your preparation, while the offense doesn't change, and there are certain things that you always have to be prepared for, the run game is the run game is the run game.


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[Assistant] Although I think he really truly is just hopeful. I don't think that he actually knows if Trevor is going to be ready to go. I think that he's got a little more hope on his hands in terms of whether Trevor Lawrence will be able to go.


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[Assistant] His headiness, his experience, his cool, how collected he is in any one moment, you know, emotions don't get to him at this point. I just think that he is the right answer right now. I would like to see him


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[Assistant] Continue to play, and yes, I do think that he did enough.


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[Assistant] I don't know if I'm supposed to admit this, but I was cheering very loudly for Joe Flacco and was quite disappointed with how things went.


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[Assistant] So, uh, yeaah, I do think that that's the right answer. And I think...


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[Assistant] You know, the fact that Kevin Stefanski moved on from PJ Walker because he wasn't sleeping over the turnovers just tells you where Kevin Stefanski's mind is a little bit too. You know, and I think having that savvy Super Bowl MVP veteran in there just gives you a level of comfort. The guy's not going to...


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[Assistant] Have a brain fart. You know, he may not make the perfect throw at one moment. He may not move the same way, but he's not going to do something stupid.


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[Assistant] I don't think, first of all, I think Miles is smart enough and savvy enough not to go out there if he thinks he's hurting his team. It's what we've heard Deshaun Watson say over and over that


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[Assistant] You play through as much pain as you can. I also think you guys were talking about this before I came on, that Miles has no problem throwing it out there, that he has these lofty individual goals too. Not ones that will come at the expense of the team, but he wants to


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[Assistant] Be playing at a level that garners a certain amount of acknowledgement or recognition. He's not going to do something that hampers that.


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[Assistant] Who's only half of Miles Garrett is still better than how many players out there.


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[Assistant] I mean, I take Miles Gary on one good shoulder over, I don't know, all but maybe three pass rushers in the league.


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[Assistant] Yes, but you know what else? It's an opportunity for someone else to step up. It's funny. I'll go back to my game last week. So it was the Chargers at the Patriots and Keenan Allen, 11 years in, is just having this monster year and his numbers are out of control. He's as consistent and dependable as can be.


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[Assistant] So we were sort of asking Keenan, what's the magic here? And his response was,


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[Assistant] I don't even think he meant it to be funny, but he was like, well there's just not really anybody else to throw the ball to.


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[Assistant] So, I don't think that this is a situation of Elijah Moore and Marquis Goodwin and David Bell and all these other receivers not being able to step up. It's just, when you've got such a reliable, dependable, wonderful guy to go to, why not go to him?


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[Assistant] Production isn't quite what he wants it to be. We haven't heard any of that this year. So I think that's a statement on him.


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[Assistant] You're looking at Newsom and saying this is a good player, but Newsom is a great player where he plays, not necessarily out of position.


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[Assistant] You know, I'm great at what I do. I would not be great if I were on Dancing with the Stars. So there you go. We're not knocking Newsome as a human, we're just saying that


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[Assistant] His strength is not necessarily playing outside, and certainly once you go from Ward, one of the best guys outside, to someone who's playing out of position outside, that's where you kinda are.


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[Assistant] Yes, I'm glad, Mikey, that you have a chance to appreciate Denzel Ward, and I hope the next time you see him, you'll tell him that.


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[Assistant] Jim shorts has very famously said that his defense isn't a democracy. You know, it's not like they do what the players want to do, but.


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[Assistant] He's, he's going to do what the players do really well and what they rise up to. And I think that having one of your key cogs back.


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[Assistant] And what you've been doing really well will make a difference, for sure. So, and who cares who's on the other side? The Browns want to play the way the Browns want to play.


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[Assistant] We don't always know what the actual cult was.


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[Assistant] Right? Like, we can guess what the call is, but we don't truly know.


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[Assistant] Change his check and go back to what the original play call was. We don't always know what's actually called. We don't know what the quarterback is reading or seeing, what the quarterback is changing something to, whether the quarterback is going away from something. I mean, I remember a few years ago covering a team


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[Assistant] Where after the game the offensive coordinator was completely ripped for not running the ball enough and I was privy.


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[Assistant] I mean, I don't, I don't like it, because again, this should be a run-first team. This should be a team that's, whose passing game is built or stems from, comes off of the run game.


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[Assistant] I think you're asking a valid question. Should there be some sort of an overcorrection knowing or having the history of the last two weeks kind of hovering over you?


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[Assistant] I think probably yes, there should be. And the Browns know that this is their strength. They know that this is how they're built. And there is a sense of pride that even when Nick Chubb, arguably their best player on offense, went down, they still were able to run the ball and run the ball well. So you'd like to think so, for sure. But again, I don't...


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[Assistant] I hate to sort of cast stones and say that's all a Kevin problem or that's all a quarterback problem or that's all a this, that or the other. I just, I don't know enough to tell you whose feet that lays at. But if you're asking me, should there be a greater, stronger commitment to running the ball? Yes, there should be.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Jay, you say that and I feel as if.


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[Assistant] You know, I know that people have been talking about what David Tepper wanted to see out of the Carolina Panthers offense. And that's why Frank Reckford didn't finish the end of the season. I know that here in Pittsburgh, there was a lot of conversation about how much of the offense was Ben Roethlisberger and how much was the then offensive coordinator, Randy Fechner. This is, you know, who really truly has autonomy.


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[Assistant] I dunno, that might be a much smaller group than the ones that have maybe too many cooks in the kitchen.


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[Assistant] I have the bucks at the falcon, so I will see your old friend, Baker Mayfield.


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[Assistant] Hey, here we are! It's a Kool-Aid Victory Monday! Look, it matches the helmet, kind of. Not really, but on the camera, it kind of looks like it does. And our shirts, my shirt is kind of orange-ish, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Is this Cardinals red? Yeah, I think it is. Is that Rutgers red?


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[Assistant] It's just regular red. It's no, no, uh. Is it fuchsia? I don't know what it is. I got a humming. Anybody else hearing a humming in their ear? A little bit.


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[Assistant] Anyway, a lot to get to on today's Monday Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. We went to the Muni lot yesterday, G Bush, Mikey McNuggets and I, plus G Bush's entire family was there. Mikey McNuggets girlfriend was there. We had Daryl as our bodyguard and we had an amazing, amazing time. What a great experience it was.


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[Assistant] I also thought it was interesting the way his teammates were kinda hyping him up after the game. I thought that was interesting. I agree with a lot of what Jason said about first half, I was very concerned. He didn't look good to me at all. The touchdown was lucky. We all know that ball got tipped.


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[Assistant] What I, the highlight of the day to me was the defense, which we'll get to more in depth in a minute, but, uh, very impressive. Listen, I get it. The Cardinals offense is


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[Assistant] About as inept right now as you could possibly get. You have a quarterback that


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[Assistant] At best as a backup at this point, uh, you have ver- you had outside of Marquise Brown, uh, they got a nice young tight end who they couldn't get the ball to yesterday, but they really have no talent on their offense. They couldn't protect. The Browns just demolished them. But what I really stood out to me about the defense as we transition now to Mikey,


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[Assistant] Yeah, that was, I wouldn't have, uh, that sounded like a tricky parlay. I thought that would hit, but nice job at him. I saw somebody last night bet 700 bucks on FanDuel.


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[Assistant] Oh, okay. That makes more sense. My bad. It's hard to see on my phone. I should be wearing, I wear glasses when I read. I should really wear glasses for my phone too. So he bet $7. How much did he win? $2800?


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[Assistant] By the way, this is a first in the history of fantasy football that has ever happened to me. I have a league where I have the Browns defense. Okay, this, this league is a very high-scoring league. Like a good week is, most fantasy leagues if you score 150 points, that's a great week. In this league, a great week is 250 points.


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[Assistant] But, uh, yeaah, listen, we all acknowledge that Cardiff didn't have much talent on. Fair to acknowledge.


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[Assistant] But, as you said, still an NFL team, and the Browns didn't just play well on defense.


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[Assistant] They were completely lights up. The best play by the Cardinals all day, they got screwed on that call by the ref. Remember they called that one play right towards the end of the first half? They had like a 25 yard gain. That was a terrible call. Not that it would have mattered. The Cardinals, I think they never got the ball past the bronze 43, is that correct?


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[Assistant] That was a great play by Denzel Ward. It was. That's not an easy, like that ball had some meat, like some, some juice on it and he had to dive.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. That was a great play. Denzel Ward, guys, and we'll get to all the other guys who are doing great right now. I think you get the award at the moment. You know, we talked so much about Martin Emerson since he's coming in. He's done a great job. I think Denzel, first of all, they could arguably, now to be fair, I'm not...


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[Assistant] Breaking down the corners on other teams. I find it hard to believe there's a better corner tandem right now.


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[Assistant] They have a terrible quarterback, their number two wide receiver, uh, Wilson, was hurt, he didn't play, and they were using Ron Delmore kind of like a running back.


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[Assistant] Well, you don't have to notice, and maybe this has helped him. He's been playing less.


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[Assistant] He's taking less snaps, but he's been more effective when he's been in there. I wonder maybe, you know, some guys, the more you play them, the worse they are.


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[Assistant] Guys, we've talked a lot about the fact that Jim Schwartz has done a great job, which he has, right? But the biggest difference, the two biggest differences on this team


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[Assistant] On defense, knock on wood, they've had almost no injuries. Greg Newsom's been in and out of the lineup a little bit. Outside of him, everybody else has been, you know, stayed healthy, and that's been a big difference.


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[Assistant] Well, it helps when you have much better players around you. I mean, you know, he was like being asked to be like the number one tackle. Well, he's not a number one tackle. Now he's the third or fourth tackle. Okay, you know, and he's picking his spots. They're picking spots for him.


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[Assistant] And you mentioned Shelby Harris, like he hadn't really done much before yesterday and he had, he had his kind of welcome to the Browns moment because I don't think Maurice Hurst played a ton yesterday for whatever reason. He didn't, he's been playing really well, but he didn't seem to be much of a factor yesterday, but I thought Shelby Harris played great. He showed up, there was a bunch of times when there was


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[Assistant] Crusher on the quarterback or whatever, but I mean, I think we said this last week too, guys. Who's not playing well on the defense?


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[Assistant] I think in a way, I hate giving too much credit to Jim Schwartz, but maybe we have. He deserves a lot of credit, but the players deserve a lot of credit too. Joe Woods, by the way, his defense in New Orleans is playing very well. So it didn't work for him here for a variety of reasons, some his doing.


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[Assistant] And, and I mean, think about their defensive line for a minute.


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[Assistant] You had nothing with, like, Jadavia Clowney was, is a talented player, but he was unmotivated last year. It was clearly he was not playing. And they had nothing else. Nothing. And now they've got a ton of guys.


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[Assistant] Only four quarterbacks that had over 270 yards yesterday.


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[Assistant] I mean, I don't like Ryan Tanhill, but he's a professional NFL quarterback.


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[Assistant] And Derek Henry's still, Derek Henry's played pretty well against everybody else that's here. Yeaah. And he, he, he could, now I thought they gave up on him too early in that game, but still. I don't know, I'm gonna say the Bengals.


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[Assistant] Alright, is there anything we did not hit on the defense before we move on to the offense?


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[Assistant] I think he had, like, Miles Garrett had been like a 99 out of 100. And there was one more little mini level that only a few guys can reach. And I didn't, in my opinion, he hadn't reached that mini level that only the special players can reach. And I think he's reached it this year. I think so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and let's face it, part of the reason the defensive tackles are making


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[Assistant] They're good and they're better, but he's making it easy because you can't double team the other guys as much because he's the thing you're most worried about.


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[Assistant] And you know what else he is? That he often hasn't been this time of the year? Healthy. Healthy.


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[Assistant] That translates. And sometimes it has felt like Miles Garrett was, I don't know if this is true or not, Jason, maybe you would know. And at times it's felt like he's a bit of a loner.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so if you see that, most sacks in the NFL before their 28th birthday, that's the first one says, right? He's the head of everybody. The head of Reggie White and Derek Thomas, obviously two of the old guys.


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[Assistant] Maybe he got in the league a little later. You know, I don't know. What is the second one? It's a little off.


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[Assistant] It was absolutely the right call. You know, we often kill the Browns organization when they do stupid things. And in their modern history, they've mostly done stupid things.


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[Assistant] The decision to start to Sean Watson yesterday turned out to be the right call. It was the wrong call against Indianapolis because he was not capable of playing.


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[Assistant] And can we not do, by the way, can we not do this again? So like,


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[Assistant] When, when Baker Mayfield was here, and I'm just gonna bring this up as comparison, we got to the point where most people had picked their camps. We either liked Baker or you didn't.


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[Assistant] And if you were in the anti-Baker camp, as I was, but unlike me, most people in the anti-Baker camp never wanted to give Baker credit when he played well. Ever. It didn't matter.


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[Assistant] Never would admit when he didn't play well. Unless it was beyond obvious. And now we're already starting to see the same things. The pro Watson people are going to try to argue that he played a great game yesterday. Stop that. He didn't play a great game. He was pretty bad in the first half.


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[Assistant] He played, and then, and then the anti-Watson people are going to say, oh, he had just made one throw in the second half, he wasn't very good. No, I, listen, he played pretty well in the second half. He is far still from where he needs to be and where the Browns


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[Assistant] Jason, you're on the field, you gotta do it. I agree. You know, yes, Burrow's playing better now because he's healthier. I didn't give him a pass for the way he played earlier in the season. It's a factor, but it's not a pass.


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[Assistant] But, I thought the way he played in the second half, he just, he cut it loose in the second half. He made that one throw at the end of the first half.


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[Assistant] But for the most part he did not play well in the first game, I thought. In the second half he made a lot of good throws, but I noticed, and Mike and I were talking about this yesterday,


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[Assistant] Deshaun Watson played well in the second half and yes, he's, he's not, he's,


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[Assistant] He may not be the best he's gonna be at this point. And we don't know if we're ever gonna see that guy consistently that we saw in Houston. It may never happen. And if it doesn't, it's a big disappointment. But, for this team...


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[Assistant] Right now, this season, they don't need him, at the moment at least, to be superhuman. They need him to be good. I thought he was good in the second half.


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[Assistant] Well, he's, he's got to play great. If he plays great and leads them to deep into the playoffs, then it'll come. I'm sure when Ben Ralph, all the controversy with Ben Rufflesberger started in Pittsburgh, I'm sure there were plenty of Pittsburgh fans who were like, I don't like this guy. I don't want him here. And then he won games and most people forgot about it.


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[Assistant] The bottom line is, Sean at whatever percent he's playing at right now, is way better than PJ Walker. Oh lord.


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[Assistant] I mean they would have won with P.J. Walker probably, but they wouldn't have won, you know, they wouldn't have scored as many points probably. Who knows? Arizona's the worst team in football, so, you know, or Carolina.


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[Assistant] It was a, it was a step in the right direction, if nothing else. It was a step in the right direction and I think mine made a good point, we were talking about this off the air yesterday, uh,


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[Assistant] And use his body properly, had the mechanics right, he was making good throws. Right now on the run is where he's normally pretty good.


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[Assistant] Doesn't it feel, I feel like this is the last month.


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[Assistant] In terms of the wide receivers, do you want to do a read before the wide receivers, Mike?


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[Assistant] Not just saying this because she's a friend. Right. She's so much better than almost every... I find most sideline reporters useless and annoying.


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[Assistant] He has never, he has not had a game this year where his receiving yards have been between 38 and 88 yards.


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[Assistant] Not one game between 30. Like you figure, most games are somewhere in that range.


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[Assistant] He's not had any games between 38 and 88 yards. He's had three games where he's had under 38 yards, 8 for 22 against the Colts, 6 for 16 against the Ravens, and 7 for 37 against the Bengals, and then every other game he's been 89 yards or more.


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[Assistant] Crappy quarterback playing six of eight games, average play in one, and good play in one.


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[Assistant] That's not, you, you can't. That's gonna have to improve.


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[Assistant] Kareem Hunt and Jerome Ford between them are averaging 3.7 yards per carry.


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[Assistant] I, I, I want it, I'd love to know is, is Ford a much better pass blocker? Like what's the deal that what, you finally gave Pierre Strong some opportunity. I thought he really impressed. And then he just, they gave him three cat touches yesterday. I don't know what happened.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, he's, he's shown nothing to me that makes me think I want to make him a lead back.


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[Assistant] You know, it's fascinating, Jason, because I, like you, assume Nick Chubb, sadly, because I love Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] Was gonna be gone next year. You wonder if because of the knee injury...


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[Assistant] And maybe he wouldn't be, you know, he's an older back at this point, and he's coming off a knee injury. It's not like somebody's gonna...


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[Assistant] I think there's almost a better chance that Nick Chubb, if he's healthy, could come back because if he's not going to get a ton of money anyway, why wouldn't he stay here?


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[Assistant] That's true. So, I love, I do love that despite the fact that running game has not been great,


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[Assistant] That's the thing, he does stick with it. Like he's, he, you know, he's sticking with it.


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[Assistant] Right, well yeaah. And they, you know, the running, I'd love to know what the, do we have the running back like efficiency numbers?


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[Assistant] I wonder if they consider moving DeJuan Jones to left tackle. I don't think so. Probably not. I don't think so.


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[Assistant] I wasn't wishing for Hudson to play either. I was wishing they'd go out and get a tackle, but they didn't.


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[Assistant] Uh, one other thing, we didn't really mention David the Joker. We mentioned quickly in the conversation of they don't, we, we, I just wanted to get back to that a little bit. I mean, I think it is what it is at the other wide receiver spots. I'm not going to trust.


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[Assistant] You know, I'm not, I have no expectation for a lot, for any of the other guys.


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[Assistant] Yeah, by a lot. Now David DeJuco stepped up. He has stepped up his game the last month.


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[Assistant] But remember, next two weeks you're playing against teams that know how to scheme defensively. So it's going to be a challenge. And they're not going to, you know, Mark Cooper's not going to be running free on any kind of regular basis.


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[Assistant] They got, you know, some of these other guys, listen, they need some contributions from, whether it's Bell or Tillman, you know, Tillman finally got off the, you know, off the inactive list. He didn't do anything yesterday.


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[Assistant] How many of those snaps were passing plays, you know?


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[Assistant] I know, but I'd be curious like if he's a guy that they always have out in the running games, maybe he's a decent blocker outside.


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[Assistant] I'm not a fan, I'm not a big fan of the Wildcat in general.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's get to Kevin Stefanski, I mean, will you?


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[Assistant] There's always a lot of talk about the coach after every game. When the Browns lose, a lot of people want them fired every game.


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[Assistant] And to be fair to our fans, that happens in probably every other market as well. Unless it's a team that consistently wins. And even then, I've heard people say crazy stuff in New York. People wanted to move on from Mariano Rivera. I mean, all kinds of nutty stuff.


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[Assistant] Uh, there's really, I mean, you gave the one nitpick there if you want, but there's really nothing you could say about Kevin Stefanski. The bottom line is the Browns, through the halfway point of the season, have had the worst quarterback play in the league, and they're five and three. I mean, what else can I say?


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[Assistant] It's going to be interesting. You know, we've talked a lot over the years. Fire him. I don't want to get into a conversation about it now. Uh, Gene may lose his mind here. Although you can't, you know, you're not hating some fans today. You're loving them today because you did a good job.


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[Assistant] But uhm. It was five years. It was five years? Thank you. Uhm, but what I would say is.


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[Assistant] Let's say the next couple, let's say they even split against Baltimore and Pittsburgh. And there are six and four.


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[Assistant] We may not talk about firing Kevin Stavanski. We may need to start having a conversation about extending Kevin.


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[Assistant] I'm just thinking, G, I don't know if you want to go there yet, but like, I have been


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[Assistant] Covering the Browns professionally since 2011, right? So this is, this is for me, my 13th season covering the Browns.


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[Assistant] In Cleveland Media. And I don't think I've ever once done a topic, should the Browns extend their coach. Yea. I've done that 13 years and I can recall.


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[Assistant] Right now. That's crazy. Yeah. Although if the Jets win tonight, they hop ahead of the Bengals for now. And the Bills are out.


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[Assistant] It also depends how honest people are being. Right. Because the question is, the question is what's most likely to happen. So it's what you think Jimmy Haslam is going to do as opposed to what you would do personally. But I would say that last week it would have been 60-40 fire.


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[Assistant] I don't know if anybody else saw this. Willie Colon, the former Steeler offensive lineman, was on somewhere.


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[Assistant] Yeah. I think that was old. Oh, was that old?


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[Assistant] Yeah, Willie Colon on the Craig Carton show.


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[Assistant] What we've seen this year is, the kicker's been great.


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[Assistant] And so he did not deserve any of that slander. But as a punter...


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[Assistant] But I keep messing this last name. Is it James Prochet? It is Prochet. They have, looks like they found something here, guys.


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[Assistant] Because he, I thought he did a great job returning punts and he had, his numbers were good and he, and he had one that was called, or two that were called back on penalties.


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[Assistant] But yesterday, for one day, I know it was a bad team, I don't know how bad, I don't know if their special teams are bad or anything, but for one day, he looked like a legit weapon. Yeah, yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, okay. Okay. What's the injury at MCL?


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[Assistant] Offensive linemen can play with some stuff that other players can't, obviously.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the fact that they can get them back at some point this season. I mean, we got, uh, you know, the Browns have nine games to go. So even if he misses four or five games, get them back in December or, you know, some point in December and all right, you know, now Jay, listen,


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[Assistant] I don't think Jen Wills was very good. I know he's a little better these last couple games. I thought he was not having a particularly good game. I know injuries, you know, he wasn't 100% healthy.


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[Assistant] You gotta play. But he was playing on one leg even before he was started off. So now, listen, if James Hudson can't get it done, then they gotta go find someone else, whether it's on the practice squad or...


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[Assistant] On the street, it's not easy, it's not an ideal situation, but uhm.


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[Assistant] The Browns have overcome a lot on their, uh, in terms of injuries on the offense.


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[Assistant] I mean a lot of punt returning beyond the athletic ability of the return is the confidence, right?


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[Assistant] I hate when the Bengals and Browns play at the same time. It sucks for me. Not that anybody else cares. By the way, James Prochet was a sixth round pick by the Ravens in the 2000 draft that had been with the Ravens. 2000? No. Oh, sorry. 2020. Big difference.


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[Assistant] 2020 and he spent three years with the Ravens. I think before the Brown signed him to the practice squad last week, I think he was out of the league. I think he, you know, got cut by somebody, whatever, but, uh, and he's, and he has played some.


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[Assistant] Wide receiver, uh, I don't know, you know, how much he's done here, but anyway.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. But I do think as we kind of sum up the entire game here, uh, obviously great win. We'll look ahead to Baltimore the rest of the week because this is going to be a huge game and a tough contest and there's a reason the Browns are


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[Assistant] A decent underdog for this game because the Ravens are playing. We were talking about this, uhm, before the show, uhm,


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[Assistant] Was where the Browns rank right now in the AFC. Think about that for a minute. Let's talk about the Guardians for a sec. Uhm, Steven Vogt is the new manager. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] Well, what I wanted to say before is what, so, but I'll get to it in a second. Stephen Vo just retired at the end of the 2022 season. So he's only been retired for a year. He went off to Mariner's coaching staff.


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[Assistant] Okay, now, most, many good managers in Major League Baseball are former catchers. We've seen it time and time again. This guy has, again, I like, I thought the Guardians needed a fresh, I wanted out of the organization, they needed a fresh voice and a fresh perspective.


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[Assistant] I thought they needed a younger manager after many years of a veteran manager.


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[Assistant] Uh, Terry Francona did a great job here. I think he's gonna, obviously he's gonna connect with players because he just retired as a player. Now, when, when Stephen Vogt's name was first mentioned as a possibility for the Guardians, I texted my friend Mike Farron. For those that don't know, Mike is, uh,


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[Assistant] Host a show on MLB network radio. I would say, Mike, in my opinion, and I'm very snobby about my baseball knowledge, I would say I have never met or heard anybody on the radio.


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[Assistant] That did not play Major League Baseball. That knows more about baseball than Mike Farron. And he knows a lot of the players because he spends a lot of time around the fields and whatever. Anyway, I asked him his thoughts on vote and this is what he said to me. He said, I am a huge All Caps fan.


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[Assistant] Incomparably good human, bright, data savvy with old school edge, there'll be some bumps in the road learning on the job, but you'd be hard pressed to find a better human being.


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[Assistant] To get that job. I think it's important when you hire an inexperienced manager to find a veteran


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[Assistant] Bench coach, right, a guy who's been around the league in a while. Uh, but I think this is a really nice hire by the Guardians. Guys.


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[Assistant] No, and, uh, they do need to add some bats and that's something we'll talk about, uh, down the line.


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[Assistant] They're going to flip Bieber this off season. And they can turn this. More on that, by the way, I'll be doing a podcast. I was going to do it tonight, but I'm just going to wait until tomorrow morning and I'll talk more about this and more about what they need to do offensively. Free agency, I believe starts either, I can't remember if it's today or tomorrow that it officially starts.


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[Assistant] I can't remember if it's today or tomorrow. I don't remember the exact date that the World Series ended now. But, uh, anyway, I want to get back to the NFL and talk about this division, guys.


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[Assistant] Uh, obviously we're gonna spend a lot of time this week talking about the Ravens as the week comes up, but this is crazy. I gave you guys a stat, which you, you know, nobody responded to, even though I thought it was an interesting stat. Well, I'm being annoyed at you people. Uhm. We retweeted it, Paul.


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[Assistant] In non-division games. So think about, and as of today, all four teams are in the playoffs. Now we've never had that before. Now, it's only been possible for, since 2020.


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[Assistant] But I wonder how many times a division has had four teams win ten games, which could happen. Now I still think the Steelers will fall short of ten games, but I think the other three teams in this division are going to win ten games. But, you want to compare that, you look at that stat, seventeen and six in non-division games. Well, how does that compare to the rest of the NFL? The next best record is the NFC East.


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[Assistant] Not a surprise. 14 and 11. Also a really good division. Alright. The AFC North team is playing out of division games, having 740 win percentage. Yeaah. Basically 3 out of 4 games they're winning. NFC East is second at 560. No other division is more than a game over 500. Wow.


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[Assistant] And the AFC North is set, I think three of the six North losses are the Steelers out of the division. I believe the Browns, Ravens, and Bengals have combined for three losses.


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[Assistant] Out of the division, I think. Uhm, go ahead Mike.


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[Assistant] Right, the Bengals lost to Tennessee. Yeaah. That's their only non-division. Yeaah, you're right. Yeaah, so, so, this division is by miles better than anybody, any other division.


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[Assistant] I mean, I don't know, but, uh, I'm guessing it has, but not very often. I'm really guessing that no division has ever won 10 games, although now there's 17 games. Right, right. But, uh, you know, all four teams in this division are on pace to win 10 games or more.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's just bananas. So, if the, if the, if the playoff started today,


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[Assistant] You look at the competition of this division. Obviously, Pittsburgh wasn't great, but they found a way to beat Tennessee as they seemed to do.


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[Assistant] But Baltimore and Cincinnati both with very impressive wins. I mean, Baltimore just demolished Seattle two weeks after they demolished Detroit and the Bengals, the score was close at the end, but the Bengals were in control of that game with Buffalo the whole way if you watch.


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[Assistant] So, I gotta say, and I think, gee, you had this experience too. Cause we were talking about this after. You know, when, when you don't


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[Assistant] Since we've been, since I've been doing this job, like when I was on the fan...


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[Assistant] I interacted with fans more in person because we did so many remote broadcasts, uh, but because


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[Assistant] You know, they overdid it with the remotes. A lot of times by the last couple of years. Remember, the last couple of years, I wasn't going into the studio.


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[Assistant] So because of COVID and my wife's situation. So really.


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[Assistant] I haven't interacted with the fans much for four years since pre-COVID. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And so, the interaction has mostly been on social media.


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[Assistant] And I always complain that players hear what they want to hear. And to some degree, myself and other media members do the same thing.


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[Assistant] I have never, I know a lot of people in the media that don't look at their mentions because people are crappy to them and whatever. And I always felt like I had to look at my mentions.


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[Assistant] Well, it's not just you, it's a lot of people. I felt like I owed it to the fans that were supportive, which is the majority of fans, to be interactive with them. That's just how I felt, you know?


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[Assistant] And so my long-winded story is that yesterday was really a reminder of how many people love you


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[Assistant] And care about what you do, and you make a difference in people's lives. I'm not curing cancer, you know, I'm not doing anything that's gonna, that in the grand scheme of things I guess is that important.


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[Assistant] But people, you know, they're driving home, they're listening, you meet, it's always weird when I meet, like, the other day I met some 18 year old who was like, I've been listening to Jesus since I was a little kid. And I'm like, wow, my god, you know, it's a whole generation of fans.


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[Assistant] I'm, we, Gee, you and I must have talked to a couple hundred people. Every, we couldn't, we couldn't get anywhere because every two seconds somebody's like, Bull Gee! Bull Gee! And, and Mikey McNuggets. And it was just insane.


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[Assistant] How amazing people were. They invited us to their tailgates. They invited us into their buses and their vans.


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[Assistant] Their stories. And it was, I mean, it was such an incredible experience.


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[Assistant] Just shout out to all the fans. And we took pictures with a million people. We had such a great time. Everybody was so nice. And the weather was perfect. I mean, we just, we were giving stuff away. By the way, the question we got asked the most, of course, or not the question, but the statement that was said the most is, I can't believe how big G Bush is.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't think we mentioned Delpit, by the way. He led the team in tackles yesterday. He played really well, too.


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[Assistant] Yeah. By the way, speaking of, uh, other countries, we met a fan who had flown in from Germany yesterday. Oh yeah, that was awesome. There's a video up on YouTube short where we spoke to him.


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[Assistant] And we have to thank her too because she did a lot of the picture taking and a lot of videos yesterday. So shout out to Mrs. McNuggets.


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[Assistant] Thank you for the great memories, bringing back a, a great, uh, kinda game down in Dallas like that.


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[Assistant] And coming, coming in here on the set, thinking about what's happening with the Browns in a winter snowstorm like this, knowing that we're going to be out in LA, playing on Sunday afternoon. As a man who just turned 60, Joe Flacco is a man who's 38 years old.


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[Assistant] The weather is our enemy at this time of the year and stuff, so if you're gonna have your first start and you're gonna be playing, as much as I love Northeastern Ohio and I love the conditions, this isn't the conditions for somebody of age right now and who hasn't played a lot, uhm, in the, uh, so far this season,


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[Assistant] So again, not optimal, probably playing out there, but really you want a big G, really kind of condense down and simplify it.


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[Assistant] Almost like what I think we're going to talk about, about what we probably should have done against Denver at the beginning of the game in terms of


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[Assistant] Not trying to spread them out. Taking advantage of the running game. Being super smart with the running game. And then, uhm, a concise amount of pass plays knowing, knowing that uhm,


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[Assistant] You have an awesome defense and good special teams and you don't want to make mistakes. When I went down to Dallas, I knew I had Emmett Smith. I knew I had a great running game, had an awesome offensive line, outstanding defense.


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[Assistant] Lookit, our offensive line and our tackles, uhm, was a big concern last week going into the game. Man, did we run block fantastic. So, you know, we're showing that we have a good running game. We could, we, uh,


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[Assistant] Have the running backs, forwards play good with the defense. So simplify the game plan and, and, and let's run the ball.


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[Assistant] Well because, uhm, I actually think more than that. Really? Yeaah, because again, I did it in a couple days, now he's got a couple weeks, and, and uhm, this may be a shameless little shout out, but there's a, there's a statistic where I think it's


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[Assistant] Myself, Dan Marino and Joe Flacco are the only, I think, three quarterbacks to go to the playoffs their first five years in the league.


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[Assistant] It seems like forever, it seems like forever ago Joe Flacco was a rookie. That was 18 years ago.


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[Assistant] He's seen every type of offense. I really believe from a mental standpoint, he'll cognitively be really solid with it. Uhm, it's, it's how do you, how do you kind of put it together in the heat of battle really quick? And, and again, I think because uhm, we're a team that likes to use multiple tight ends.


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[Assistant] And, you know, we've been using 12 and 13 personnel that it lends itself a little more towards having extra guys in to protect. And a veteran quarterback, I think, could understand and learn better, uhm, and manipulate a new system with extra protectors in there. And that's what Coach Stefanski does with, uhm, with those extra tight ends.


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[Assistant] So I know the game didn't turn out the way we wanted. Uhm, offensively, you look statistically, it doesn't look like he played that good. I actually enjoyed the way he played.


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[Assistant] I know it was tough out there. I think we put them in some tough spots. I'm a big fan of our coaching staff. I can't, it's unbelievable with all the duress.


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[Assistant] If you had to do it again, I think DTR really played pretty solid in the Denver game.


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[Assistant] Okay, I know that's not the easiest place to play. Crowd noise is a mess, so I understand our tackles. Having trouble with the pass rush and stuff. That won't be as bad.


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[Assistant] In L.A. this week, that crowd isn't as loud as Denver. But man, I actually think he handled himself super well.


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[Assistant] I did not hear the Mary Kay segment, but I would concur with her. And again, this is the pros. He's a tough kid. I'm sure he wants to play. Sometimes I think, I've used the phrase, we gotta be protected from ourselves. You know, even if he clears protocols, you know, uhm,


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[Assistant] There's the physical kind of beating he took and the mental kind of, you know, I have you, Matt, talk about self-confidence and self-esteem. I love how DTR handles himself in those press conferences, but you can't, you can't possibly have.


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[Assistant] All the self-confidence and self-esteem that you really have or you want to be an NFL quarterback after those couple games and some of those hits you've taken.


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[Assistant] So I'm biased as a quarterback guy, okay. You need, hey, so in the crowd and in the public,


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[Assistant] And in a private meeting room, I absolutely, 100% believe you need to figure it out. You need to figure out how to catch it. It's the pros. Now between you and me on the side,


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[Assistant] Absolutely. You need to work on your touch. You need to absolutely kind of, uhm, balance it. His arm strength's unbelievable. And in pressure, I get in between the numbers, you know, trying to throw it and overthrow it and stuff. But boy, that arm talent that he has on a couple of those blitzes, he hit a


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[Assistant] He had an outroute off his back foot, throwing backwards. So, you know, for the arm talent that it takes to do that and to throw that on time like that, uhm, it's pretty special. So uhm,


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[Assistant] With his confidence, with, again, the human matter, the self-esteem, the belief in himself, I think he'll have more belief to take a little touch and to throw with not as much velocity. But when you're young,


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[Assistant] And you're not exactly mentally clear as to what to do and you're not sure if that robber guy in man coverage or that zone guy is reading your eyes that you tend to sometimes maybe overthrow him.


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[Assistant] I want to sit here and I want to say, in my rookie year, I got it, you know, halfway through the year I got it and I was cool at doing that because


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[Assistant] Father time, it's gonna be hard pressed for any of you to go really back, go back and challenge me. But the truthful answer is it wasn't at all my rookie year. And I still remember playing at the end of the season in December.


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[Assistant] But I remember the 1986, we lost to Green Bay, like week five of my second year. And it wasn't until


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[Assistant] Literally, half way through my second year that it kind of crystallized to me in terms of slowing down, slow motion, in terms of reading defenses and the ability to use touch with the ball. So it takes a little bit of time.


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[Assistant] Yeah, great. That's a really great point. So, that's the NFL and the speed of the guys. They want you to kind of get predetermined to think you got something, to think it's going to be easy, and then get you to change midstream and stuff. So, I'm super versed.


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[Assistant] And I'm so blessed. Coach Snellenberger, who's upstairs looking down upon me and what he foundationally taught me as a college quarterback, really transitioned to the pros.


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[Assistant] So many young guys don't have that type of tutelage, that type of foundational knowledge. So in turn, they really struggle with it. DTR, you know, he had almost 50 starts in college. That actually I think really helped kind of his transition not make that as long.


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[Assistant] Miles and our playoff ramifications of that part of, you know, the dominance of this team and, and weathering a quarterback issue with four starting quarterbacks looking like this year is that dominant defense and the shoulder issues.


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[Assistant] You know, the way, the way Miles has to rip and use his speed, you know, playing at 80%, that's still Miles Garrett, but we, we need him really healthy and, and.


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[Assistant] And there's a lot of, uhm, again, it'll sound like I'm trying to talk about this from a, uhm, a plug standpoint or a wellness, but there's really some stuff that you guys know that us players do on the side to get ourselves healthy.


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[Assistant] That privately you need to do sometimes to stay in this game.


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[Assistant] Some of them aren't good for your long term health. Now, now in this new age and stuff, there's some super healthy things that guys could do with IV therapy and stuff that


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[Assistant] That's y'all in proteolytic enzymes that these guys really need to do to weather the storm, to make it, because heck, what have we got, seven more games and hopefully playoff games? This is, there's a lot of football to be played in those shoulders.


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[Assistant] You know, in this cold weather, tend not to get better when you're banging. And these games are gonna get more physical now.


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[Assistant] So again, I, I feel bad. I keep looking upstairs to Marty. I bless you, man, for tolerating me for a guy who was an animal at wanting to throw the ball and attack those guys.


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[Assistant] For younger listeners and younger coaches out there, uhm, I don't overly recommend this.


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[Assistant] In the old days, Aaron Donald would be whammed to death.


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[Assistant] Okay, with those double, triple, tight ends. Thirteen, two personnel. Power O's with Joe Petonio.


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[Assistant] And uhm, Wyatt Teller pulling for sure. Coming down on him. Understanding my angles. And then you guys know the tricky things you could do with tight end motions and personnel groups. And you got your center and nose tackle right here.


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[Assistant] And you bring, hey Belichick starts out the Super Bowl with it. You bring your tight end in motion. You bring, bring Nick Harris in motion at the fullback and you just.


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[Assistant] Again, you come down, you crack them. I mean that's, you have to do it. You have to run the ball at them. You have to.


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[Assistant] That, that added to, to the issues for DTR, the, the, the tackles and, and again, Denver, Denver struggled at stopping the run. Uhm, we were being successful with that. Again, we're talking about, this week, uh,


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[Assistant] You make the superstar thing. This isn't, this isn't, this is why I do health and wellness and healing now. The football, Bernie, is a lot more satanic, okay, than the healing Bernie right now, and that, and you need to be, to be there in Donald and to handle that defense line.


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[Assistant] You need to be the satanic guy that's coming down, double teaming, whamming, and you gotta run right at him. You can't let him have one-on-ones and just pass rush up the field.


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[Assistant] That's a great question. So, Marty Schottenheimer used to say the phrase,


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[Assistant] Great championship teams, if you need a yard, you could always get a yard. Championship teams, if they need a yard, you could always stop them from getting a yard. So I'm on the offensive side, so I full-fledged buy into that. That's my 11th commandment.


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[Assistant] That is a gospel, a mindset that you and me and the other ten guys in my huddle will live by all 365 days a year, 24-7.


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[Assistant] So when those half dozen times come up in the course of those 365 days, everybody in that huddle knows exactly what we're gonna do. And there's a mindset and a manhood that comes with


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[Assistant] Raising your testosterone level to do what Jason Kelsey and the Philadelphia Eagles do at will. Okay? At will.


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[Assistant] Cement cranium, okay, with his strength and leverage, okay, and that mindset.


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[Assistant] I'm in my spiritual healing way, but in a violent game of football.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you let the caveman satanic side of you come out, and that's, that's how you do it, and embrace it. You know, back to the Aaron Donnell, uhm, we all love Leroy Hoard.


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[Assistant] You know, he's on the show, uhm, I'm gonna be flying out to LA tomorrow for the game. I was gonna try to be on it with him tomorrow. You ask about how to handle Aaron Donald, joke with Leroy, Kevin Mack, they know chip check through.


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[Assistant] He would sew, like in the old days. You can't do this, okay? But when you were engaged, when the lineman had the guy engaged, okay?


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[Assistant] Coop, uh, Coop broke his ribs probably in the game the other day by going up for a pass. So like, that's fair game. Leroy Hoard would chip check through Aaron Donnell's rib cage.


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[Assistant] You know what? The game and the coaching has to have changed because


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[Assistant] Again, it's a, I'm in a healing part of it here, late third quarter, early fourth quarter of my life. Some of the most religious, ethical,


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[Assistant] They were teaching you things that you just don't even want to say on air. They were teaching you things that you had to do on the field. So uhm, you had to do them to survive, to stay alive, especially as a


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[Assistant] A slow QB out there. So uhm, there is kind of a balance to uhm, you know, coaching again.


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[Assistant] I could, I could think of 34 Wham that I would absolutely start the game with against Aaron Donald. Okay? 34 Wham and I'd sell. Send a message. Send a message and make him think the whole game. You know, I'm not trying to hurt him on purpose.


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[Assistant] It is tough now to teleguise to do that.


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[Assistant] Well, if I was the younger players, I would be disagreeing with Tom, and I would be telling him to be quiet.


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[Assistant] To me, it's super harder on the coaches and it's super harder on the players. I mean, why am I sitting here?


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[Assistant] You're not allowed to do inside drill. You're not allowed to practice tackling. You're not allowed to hit all the time. So in turn, uhm,


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[Assistant] You're, you're, you're making physical mistakes, like tackling. That's fair. So in turn, like, to me, like, it's, you get three downs to make ten yards and you're averaging


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[Assistant] I kind of fall into that line of thinking now, and that is pretty prehistoric.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and here comes Kevin Mack and Leroy, okay, with big chips, you know, big chips, okay, like, you're allowed, back in the old days, there was no such thing as a defenseless person. In fact, that's your fault if your head's not on the swivel. Right, it's your fault back then.


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[Assistant] I'm a big Chad O'Shea fan, uh, his dad, uh, was my trainer at the University of Miami at Keynes back in 1983, Mike O'Shea.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I know Chad from back at the University of Miami when he was a little kid. And then he was with Belichick.


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[Assistant] They know how to do releases. Yeaah. So that foundationally, he's been schooled in kind of the same way I've been schooled. So foundationally, uhm, I, I really respect him like what he brings to the table.


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[Assistant] That's the, and that's the thing. So what is the one thing, how the Browns have been playing this whole season, what's the one thing that's killing them?


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[Assistant] You can overcome any game if you just have a quarterback that don't turn the ball over. Your defense is playing well, the running game is going well, all you need is a quarterback that's going to take care of the football and you still have a shot to win every game.


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[Assistant] So I think the DTR, although he had three picks in his first star, I think that we give him a game plan. You let him go through the whole week. He didn't prepare the whole week.


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[Assistant] Go ahead. Tyvis, what's up? Alright, so I just wanted to speak on the Andrew Berry thing. Yeaah. About the press conference. Right. So how, typically how organization works is that


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[Assistant] They, they might say some stuff in the press, but like, the, the conversations is all kept in terms. Of course it is. So it's like, of course he's not gonna tell us exactly what's on his mind. But you don't have to lie to us. He's not lying.


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[Assistant] Who would I put my money on to win the AFC? Yea, where was it going? I would never go against Kansas City. Okay.


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[Assistant] They're going to get like, I'm telling you, they're going to find somebody that's either on a practice squad or just got released.


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[Assistant] Two things. One, I didn't know Deshaun Watson was talking to the media today. That's one. Two, what time's he talking?


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[Assistant] Right now. Oh good. So we'll keep an eye out for close. It's only one, it's one thing that can happen, okay? Listen, this could be the greatest story ever told. It could be. Of what I'm about to say. Okay. Jacoby Brissette go to the commanders and say I demand my release.


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[Assistant] I would tell, I would tell him to stick with one of the quarterbacks that we got. You would. One tighty, one tighty eight picks. I would tell him, you know why? Because I see him every day. I believe in him. Probably my dude. So it's like, I'm always


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[Assistant] I know they do. I know for a fact that they believe in DTR.


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[Assistant] That is a fact that they believe in DTR because after that game they tried to crush them and they was all on Twitter like bro don't let the media crush you, we still got your back.


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[Assistant] Uh, they talking about, I just read some tweets in the locker room from Anthony Walker, like he went through some terrible circumstances, but he, that boy had been locked in and he going to be ready to go. So I can't wait to see what he does.


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[Assistant] Let me tell you something. The thing about DTR, he was a rookie. Like, you gotta get rookies some time. Like, you can't just throw them in there one game. Especially in that position. They're not on CJ Stroud. CJ Stroud didn't look that great.


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[Assistant] That's not what I thought. I thought that he would be a rookie. He gotta go through his growing pains. I thought that he would be the best option for this offense.


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[Assistant] He would sit behind Deshaun for some years or maybe a season. He'll learn how to play quarterback in the NFL, have a great offensive mind and Kevin Stefanski. Kevin Stefanski put you in situations like you did Phil Walker against Seattle with just calling up perfect plays for him to throw screens. He would, he would flourish or something like that.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you this question. Let me ask this. DTR goes out there against the Steelers. He gets this whole week of preparation. He goes out against the Steelers. He throws for 200 yards, a touchdown, and no picks. Hold on, let me just finish this. I'm just asking, what would you say it is? I would up their chances. Can I finish this point?


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[Assistant] All I'm gonna say is, we gotta reassess this at about four o'clock on Sunday. Absolutely. And then you know what? I don't know what DTR is.


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[Assistant] I haven't, I only seen one game where a guy didn't have a full week of preparation. It would be, it's just like the Joshua Dobbs things, except his didn't go well. By the way, Vegas has the Browns.


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[Assistant] What was his stuff? What, what, what is, uh, Baker's saying? Ride with six? What is it? What was his thing?


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[Assistant] They need DTR to play with. Because if they, if he goes out there against Pittsburgh and just so happens to play well.


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[Assistant] Jason, I got two questions for you. The first one, did you find out why Deshaun wants to be called Derrick?


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[Assistant] Do you need to see the, I got the, I got the graphic too if you need to see what I'm talking about.


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[Assistant] You're just, you're just being a troll and you know it. No, seriously, what is the, what is the realistic expectations for DTR? I mean, like you say, the first one wasn't good. Obviously everybody in the locker room is behind him. I seen some, some quotes from the players on Twitter.


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[Assistant] I got one, I got one question. One. What you got?


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[Assistant] This is off the Browns top. I wanted to ask you about the Cavs. If, if, if they lose the Portland tonight, is it over with for JB?


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[Assistant] Well that means the MVP this season is going to Coleridge Stroud. Stop it. I wouldn't bet you money on that.


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[Assistant] That's right! I mean, I'm upset at Deshawn. Four.


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[Assistant] Because, because he got hurt and he's out for the season, I won't get to get the belt in True or False today.


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[Assistant] Now I'm elite Cunningham, then I'm telling you right now, I joke about it, but it's gotta be black and mobile.


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[Assistant] He's not great at drafting. He might not be able to draft, but he can sign and he can trade. You can't miss on third rounders.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's, that's it. We could debate whether they should have traded Josh Dobbs or not. It's a fair debate, but there's no doubt they should have done something at the trade.


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[Assistant] How does the rest, how do the rest of the players handle that? Because it's easy to say next man up, but it's different at quarterback.


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[Assistant] I'm bringing somebody in, not to start this week, not to start next


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[Assistant] Oh my g- I saw Matt Ryan complete 67% of his passes on a bad Colts team and throw more touchdowns than picks. PJ Walker has thrown one, what, one touchdown and eight picks? Where, where, where that boy's stats at? Where PJ Walker's at?


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[Assistant] As a player who recently played in the NFL. Yes. Okay. Let's go back to your time with the Seahawks.


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[Assistant] of what Brock Birdie did last year, then the Browns still have a chance. But they absolutely, and I don't care what Jason says, I don't care what Tyva says, and I don't care what Leroy says. They absolutely should bring in a quarterback that at some point


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[Assistant] Could give them the potential to, to be better and play at that.


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[Assistant] Malik Cunningham, for what it's worth.


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[Assistant] 48 hours, 30 minutes to the Browns and Bears from Cleveland Brown Stadium. I'm Jay Crawford. We're going to take a look at a big play from last week's win. Bernie's going to tell us why it worked. Tyvis is going to tell us what went wrong.


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[Assistant] Line of scrimmage, point of attack. Who's going to have the advantage when the Browns have the ball? We'll dive into that. We've got a busy show for you, a full 30 minutes. I want to start with something that's been a bit of a trend this year. The one thing we know is the Browns have had to rely heavily on backup quarterbacks, but we also know that through all of this quarterback musical chairs,


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[Assistant] There hasn't been one quarterback that's been able to avoid the third game trap. In other words, some have put two good games together and Flacco has, but yet this year no one has done it three times in a row. Guys, why will Joe Flacco break that trend this week and make it three straight good games?


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[Assistant] Marco's Magical Carpet Ride continues for at least one more game, and I'd already thought that, but yesterday we had Bernie Kosar in on our YouTube show, and Bernie was emphatic about one thing. And you touched on this.


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[Assistant] We saw things in week two we did not see in week one. For that reason, I think we're going to see things in week three that we haven't seen yet. That has me very excited.


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[Assistant] Absolutely right that Kevin Stefanski has the guy driving the bus that most fits what he likes to do.


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[Assistant] I'm not saying he would pick Joe Flacco over Deshaun Watson. That's absurd long term. However, for right now, Kevin's like a kid in a candy store because he's got the guy that is very good at running what Kevin loves to run. Will it finally come to an end? I don't know, but I think it continues this week.


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[Assistant] Alright, I think we all agree that Joe Flacco is the most important Cleveland Brown offensively in this football game.


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[Assistant] You guys are close, uh, I think they're two and three, but...


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[Assistant] The number one most important guy in this offense that you guys haven't mentioned or the quarterback Joe Flacco is Jerome Ford and here's why.


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[Assistant] But for the play fake to be effective and continue to be effective, you have to have a running game threat. Because it's talking, what you're asking the defense to do is to pull up and honor the run.


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[Assistant] If there is no threat of a run game, they don't have to pull up. They can stay back because it's more likely they're gonna pass than run. Stats bear that out. They're throwing it ever- two plays for every one run play.


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[Assistant] Jerome Ford is gonna need to reestablish the Browns running game so the play fake is more effective. And if he can do that early, I think it's very important that they get the running game on track in the first quarter. If he does that, talk about opening up the field, the back end of the field is open all day long because they have to honor that play fake.


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[Assistant] Alright, next, Brown's offensive line. One of the mysteries to me this year is how they've been able to be so successful with the wings of that offensive line changing constantly. They're down to their what, fourth and fifth tackles right now?


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[Assistant] I did have Brown's slight edge, but the postage news is concerning to me. I mean, so we asked this question this week on our internet show.


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[Assistant] Is there a tipping point where all of a sudden you look at the injuries and you say, okay, like next man up is cool and everything, but we're running out of men?


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think that the Browns offensive line, if they lose postage, even though Harris once upon a time was penned in as starter at that position,


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[Assistant] I think if you're down three starters, to me, because that's the majority, that's the tipping point. So if he's not healthy, I'm gonna give a very, very slight edge to the Bears. Very slight.


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[Assistant] If he plays, I think the Browns have a very slight edge. In answering the question that way, I'll ask the second part to this topic. The second part was, do you think that this matchup


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[Assistant] We'll decide the football game and I say no. I think there are bigger, more important matchups to watch. I just don't think that there's going to be a winner. It's kind of a wash for me right now between the Bears defensive line.


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[Assistant] And the Browns offensive line. Quick answer for you guys. No, I don't think it will decide. I think the only way the Bears.


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[Assistant] That's their only chance. Very good. We're taking our first break. It's brought to you by PCC Airfoils. When we come back, we took one big play from last week's Browns win. Bernie's going to tell us why this play worked from an offensive standpoint. Tyvis tells us what went wrong.


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[Assistant] Welcome back to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. We're rewinding from last week. The Browns had some success in the passing game, particularly with David and Joku. We throw up to our football lab now with Mikey McNuggets and Bernie Kozar to tell us why one play in particular clicked.


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[Assistant] Before the Big Browns game. If you like us here, you'll love us on our YouTube show every Monday through Friday 11 to 1. You can watch us whenever you want. Just type in UCSS on any YouTube search page. Alright Mikey, fun game. I like this. Either or. What are we doing?


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[Assistant] So I'm not, I don't feel strongly that the defense can find the end zone in this football game. Something fluky could happen. Strip, sack, fumble, touchdown, maybe a pick six, but I think it's more likely that Cedric Tillman finds the end zone. And here's why he went from.


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[Assistant] Being on the side of a milk carton to being mildly involved in the offense and we've seen that involvement increase with Joe Flacco. What we haven't seen is him find the end zone and I think that changes. I do think he scores a touchdown or it's rather more likely he scores a touchdown than the Browns defense.


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[Assistant] I wish, uh, and also, are we gonna flip the script where we're passing twice for every one run play? I don't think either are likely.


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[Assistant] But based on what I've seen recently, I really don't think this team goes for more than 200 rushing yards, particularly when it's been proven that there are going to be a passing offense. So I think if either of those two happens, it'll be they're held to less than 50 yards, but that won't happen either.


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[Assistant] Very good, we're taking a break when we come back. No need to watch the game.


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[Assistant] Pre-written headlines, who wins and how they do it, on the other side of the clip.


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[Assistant] Here's how I think the game plays out. I think it's another victory for the Cleveland Browns who have been very good at home and particularly have looked good on offense with Joe Flacco at the helm.


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[Assistant] Flacco mauls the Bears, and the Browns win this one 27-17. As I said earlier, his magic carpet ride continues.


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[Assistant] That might be a slight exaggeration, but it's not far off. Alright, thanks for watching the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show on Channel 3. If you enjoy what you saw, tune in to the 2-Minute Warning. Go to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show YouTube page. Two minutes left in Sunday's game. The guys will break down everything that happened.


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[Assistant] Thanks for watching, enjoy the game, and go Browns!


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[Assistant] I tell you what, it's a different, it's a different day and age. Could you imagine, like, like our, our fathers, our grandparents, that was alive, that watched that happen, like on national TV?


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[Assistant] They had like teased it on our show, like, it was uh,


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[Assistant] What if I'm at your, what if you're at your like, yo, you're staying at your mother's house?


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[Assistant] That you can make plays and stuff like that. If Jim Schwartz could take him and put him in a position where he's able to make plays, he'd have fun with that. Plus, you're winning games, you're going to the playoffs.


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[Assistant] Go into the playoffs and, you know, that's extra checks anyways. Now, if you looking to be the starting middle linebacker again, then why would you want to go to a team that's not good? Yeah, she gonna get a ton of playing time.


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[Assistant] But this, the rest of this year is kind of wasted. Then you go to a situation where the coach is potentially going to get fired, you might get a whole new coach of staff anyways. Right. So it's just a lot that goes into it. I think you have to focus on maximizing this season. And by the way, he's not old.


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[Assistant] Let's call it what it is. The Browns have proved something this offseason with getting all those D linemen. It's been refreshing to have those new defensive linemen coming in and rotating.


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[Assistant] Linebacker, you already banged up at the position. Your young guys may not be ready to go in right away.


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[Assistant] You're one play away. If you can get this guy in a rotation, it's not like we got some studs at linebacker like Roquan Smith where he ain't coming off the field. Like that's not the case. If you can rotate, if you can add another person there that's productive that you can rotate in there, keep bodies fresh, especially late in the season, why would you not want to do that?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a low risk high reward.


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[Assistant] I think the Browns will offer something.


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[Assistant] So if, is he going to say to himself, hey, I'm going to come to the Browns and be a rotational piece or do I want to go and potentially get a starting spot? Where is he going to start?


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[Assistant] Okay, he's gonna be a two down line with the browns, he's gonna be a what? A one down line back.


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[Assistant] So, I, what I don't, I don't, what's the recovery process?


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[Assistant] He's supposed to be able to throw in two or three months, right? Ain't that what he said? Who said two or three months? He did. Mike, did he say two or three months?


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[Assistant] I mean, obviously he won't see, he probably won't do OTAs this year, which, Seth sucks. If he did OTAs this year, I'd be much more confident going into it. I think it'll be a thing that we just gonna have to, it's gonna probably start off the season slow next year, and he's gotta get his,


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[Assistant] I think right before that last game or that Ravens game, it showed that he was finally confident again to go 14 to 14 with the broken shoulder. I think that probably a little bit why I'm alright with it. I mean with the injury, he was still 14 to 14, so they just fixing it.


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[Assistant] I think that my only concern is just him not touching the ball for that long and not, you know, having the chemistry with his guys. That's what's going to play into where he's not going to be great right away. But as the season goes on, I don't expect him not to get back to the form that he was. But what was he?


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[Assistant] Tennessee, Tennessee him and Baltimore Ravens him. That was a pretty, that, that you can


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[Assistant] I think that the reason, I argue that the reason that he got hurt so much. Yeah.


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[Assistant] They better find whoever the best second round wide receiver is.


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[Assistant] Listen, Diggs is gonna be available. Go get Diggs.


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[Assistant] For you, for people to understand, with the Deshaun version that he is now. Like, okay.


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[Assistant] When you, when that trade was made, you essentially thought he'd be like Patrick Mahomes.


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[Assistant] You think you'd put up those type of numbers. Patrick Mahone's type. You give up, you give up two thirty, three first round picks, this guy's gonna come here, he's gonna put up three hundred plus yards, four or five touchdowns a game, lead be first or set, first or third, or one through three in passing yards every single year, stuff like that. Right, and that hasn't happened.


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[Assistant] To me, when I look at Deshaun now, it's like Kevin Love. Kevin Love with the T-Wolves was not Kevin Love with the Cavs. Two totally different things. With the T-Wolves, 20-20 a night. With the Cavs, that's not necessarily what he had to do.


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[Assistant] Houston, that's what he had to do. Like, that's the only way they had a chance. With Cleveland, with this defense, he don't have to do that. They didn't have to be in that situation.


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[Assistant] I'm just telling you. Also, also in Houston, he had a deep threat that he could throw down deep down the ball deep down the field to him. It's a 50-50 ball, which is the best thing that he's good at is throwing deep ball. He don't even have that with the Cleveland Brown.


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[Assistant] All I'm telling you is, if you get him, uh, if he could, if he would have figured it out with Marquis Goodwin, he would have had 300 easily every game.


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[Assistant] Where is he, where is he compared to Trevor Lawrence to you? Who? Dilla Deshaar.


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[Assistant] Wait a minute. What's the question again? Go ahead. What's the question?


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's right. I forgot. Derek Watson. Uhm, I just for the, you know, for the simple fact that I think Russell is scarred. He's, I know he's scarred from just some of the things, some of the mistakes that he's had.


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[Assistant] And it's the consistency thing is just not, it's his problem. I know people can argue that Deshaun Watson hasn't been consistent, but for him it's just like a known thing that he just...


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[Assistant] He gonna give you half of a season and then that's just gonna be it. And I just don't think you can win like that. I think that Deshaun has a better, a higher upside. I also believe Deshaun is more mobile.


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[Assistant] I do believe leadership wise that Russell Wilson is a great leader when it comes to a leader of teams and a great locker room guy from that standpoint. But I'm hearing great things about Deshaun Watson as well. Obviously, Deshaun is younger.


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[Assistant] So, I'm going with Deshaun. I'm going with Deshaun. All things taken into consideration. Contract, injuries, age, all of that. I think Deshaun Watson's the better deal.


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[Assistant] Hey Mikey, why they do this argue? Can you, uh, can you look up his, uh, Russell Wilson's, uh, fourth quarter game winning drives? That's, I want to know.


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[Assistant] Cody, you know, at the, right before the trade deadline, there was a whole bunch of talk about the Broncos selling the team, they had given up.


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[Assistant] Probably this, one of the worst, most points in games. The team just looked like they was going down.


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[Assistant] And for some odd way, they've turned it around and been able to pull off four straight wins. What has led to that? What do you see?


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[Assistant] Cody, you got to watch the Browns a little bit last week, obviously with the new quarterback DTR in there. You got to see how that offense looked against Pittsburgh. Is there anything that you saw that


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[Assistant] Seems to be concerning for Denver, or do you think Denver should be able to shut down this Browns offense, given what he's seen last week?


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[Assistant] Well, McNuggets was just saying, what I was saying was that they should get rid of Donovan Mitchell because Craig Porter Jr. is here.


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[Assistant] He should come off, he should be the backup point guard that comes in the game whenever they're going up against a good point guard that can score. He should be the one that comes in off the bench and spares the starting point guard because obviously DG is not great at DG.


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[Assistant] Straight off the street basketball is a, is a heck of a skill. Like you can't just come in there and just stay.


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[Assistant] I can't believe you go sit there. They beat Jordan what, one time? Who? The Pistons. I don't know how many times they beat him but I have. They beat him more than once.


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[Assistant] If he was elite, he would have to be, uh, be able to play center without Jared Allen is still holding the paint now. Everything outside, he could do everything else but that.


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[Assistant] I would say that it would be successful because Darius Garland would have never been in that situation where he's trying to figure out what he needs to do. Like you're the point guard no matter what.


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[Assistant] Alright, no doubt about it, Mitchell, he dropped, what'd he drop, 32? 32, yes.


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[Assistant] Speaking of production, uh, Kyle McCor, what do you think? What's your, you know, obviously this is his first year starting, he's had some up and down games this year.


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[Assistant] Obviously, as great as CJ was, he never got it done. Can Kyle McCord do something CJ Stroud could not?


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[Assistant] Two things, what's your prediction, what's your final prediction for the score and how does Marvin Harrison win the heist?


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[Assistant] That's like, uh, what's the boy Kenny Pickett? He got seven game-winning drives. Right. I don't know how many of them it's because of him.


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[Assistant] There is no better position of being sports than a football team with a franchise quarterback. And before we anoint Deshaun Watson fully back, he has to do it more than just one game and lead more than one game winning drive. But I woke to bed last night and I woke up this morning