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[Assistant] That's two more. One of them was making the All-Star game. The first, my first All-Star game was special for me. It was something that I'm never gonna forget about. Show up in that clubhouse.


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[Assistant] And see, Roger Clemens, Wade Box, Guy Rican, all my idols.


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[Assistant] Everybody, that's nobody. I haven't heard anything about Juan De Franco in his first


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[Assistant] Anything, you know, and you know, and I have to say something that I always


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[Assistant] So this is a major, major development in East Africa, not only in terms of establishing a peace, but hopefully over time bringing some sort of democracy and liberalization.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's us. Welcome aboard Spartans. I'm Roland, ship's AI at your service. On the line Spartans. Someone will be along to show you around shortly.


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[Assistant] Pictures? Civilian life. Maybe a colony or something.


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[Assistant] Can I ask you a question, Doc? What were you hoping to achieve with your little subterfuge? I mean, Captain Lasky put a lot of faith in you.


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[Assistant] Come on, Doc. What has keeping secrets ever really gained you?


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[Assistant] The artifact is acting as a slipspace anchor holding us in place.


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[Assistant] If we have to find those artifacts,


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[Assistant] Emergency jump complete, Captain. Injuries reported on multiple decks, but no major casualties.


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[Assistant] Right. Laws are like good jokes. They're never truly finished. No.


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[Assistant] Other words, I'm sure. What? What are you doing? How many of these you got? Well that one's a boy.


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[Assistant] So now we're at Crimson's Delivery Service? How come we never get the interesting jobs?


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[Assistant] Captain's report. February 4th, 2531. Five years. Five long years. That's how long it took us to get Harvest back.


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[Assistant] Of course that's all Harvest is today. It's hell down there.


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[Assistant] Harvest may be ours again, but I don't think the Covenant appreciate that yet.


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[Assistant] That's what we're here to find out. We're to bring Alpha Base up to operational status and take control of that site.


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[Assistant] It might be the key to this whole war, Serena. It's worth the risk.


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[Assistant] What made you choose my observation deck as your lab professor?


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[Assistant] Our orders are to investigate Harvest. We still don't know a lot about what's going on down there.


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[Assistant] Very well, professor. I'll clear it with Admiral Cole. Serena, set course for Arcadia.


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[Assistant] So, it's an energy shield that they can deploy on the planet.


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[Assistant] We need to find out what that is. Can we use the ship's cannons and take it out directly?


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[Assistant] Professor, Sergeant Forge, let's get that shield down. Ahh, babysitting again?


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[Assistant] Enough to destroy all the ships here before the Covenant could get a chance to make anything from them.


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[Assistant] One problem at a time, Serena. If the Covenant get their hands on these ships, it will mean the end of the war.


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[Assistant] We'll take our chances here to give humanity some hope.


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[Assistant] Then let's not outstay our welcome. Best speed away.


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[Assistant] Let's see if we can't turn that to our advantage. Serena, plot a course that takes us into the sun. We're going to slingshot around it.


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[Assistant] Professor, there's been no sign of the Covenant for almost two weeks. There's nothing to do.


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[Assistant] Arcadia colony, to be precise. Population a little under 3 million, largely unexplored, but apparently quite the vacation resort.


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[Assistant] Aye, sir. Crazy mystery trip to Arcadia plotted in. Spinning up FTL drive.


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[Assistant] The Belfast Pillar of Autumn, Texas and Armstrong engaged immediately and caught one with its shields down.


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[Assistant] We lost the Texas and Belfast. The Armstrong is venting atmosphere and Autumn is badly damaged. The second vessel is engaged in surface activity.


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[Assistant] Captain, I'm tracking her transponder. It's heading away from the planet.


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[Assistant] Sir, I can only track that transponder a few more seconds.


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[Assistant] We're in orbit around a planet in the middle of... Actually, I'm still working on that, sir.


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[Assistant] The Covenant vessel we pursued appears to have taken cover on the planet's surface. I have rough coordinates.


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[Assistant] Fairly sure. Initiating a deep scan. Ducking? Cleansing? That's not right. Captain, you're not going to like this.


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[Assistant] Captain, the gravity field from the sun is expanding. We're not going anywhere.


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[Assistant] Captain, wake up. Something has happened.


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[Assistant] If we can just get back to Worth and find Halsey, she can fix this.


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[Assistant] Humanity. That's got to be infinity. Can you get us to those coordinates?


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[Assistant] On occasion. I'll send out an all-clear once the area's secured.


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[Assistant] Give me that chip. The didact has to be stopped. If you won't do that, I will.


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[Assistant] Send me your coordinates. I'll see what I can do about clearing an evac route on my way to you.


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[Assistant] The device you recovered was a forerunner weapon. The commander of that ship wants it back.


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[Assistant] I'm sorry, doctor. Keep routing your people to the evac centers. Once we take care of the composer, you won't have much time.


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[Assistant] That's the last one. Infinity, you're clear.


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[Assistant] Not all of us, Captain. Not all of us.


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[Assistant] Sinister has knocked out the X-Men by broadcasting- We may want to pay attention.


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[Assistant] Wade, I need to return to the future and finish fighting a battle that you pulled me away from. Wait here until I get back so we can form a plan.


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[Assistant] What if you could never eat one of Samantha's tacos, ever again?


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[Assistant] Indeed. So, we going back to back brain style on this one? Uh, no, I can't stay. I'm fighting my own battles in the future, all of which hinge on what you do here and now.


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[Assistant] If you insist on me building this thing, then I'll need two parts.


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[Assistant] Uh, wrong franchise buddy. Wade?


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[Assistant] Wait, that's our ass. We'll need to find our arm to twist the head back on.


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[Assistant] You killed another clone! Shut it, Sommers!


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[Assistant] Hey again, little buddy. You taking me to Rogue?


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[Assistant] The news broke on December 11th, 2008, and within seconds phones were ringing around the world.


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[Assistant] Michael Biannis was in London when he got a phone call from his business partner, Frank Avellino.


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[Assistant] Madoff had just graduated from Hofstra College and married his high school sweetheart Ruth Alpern.


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[Assistant] He was working out of her father's accounting firm in midtown Manhattan.


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[Assistant] From there he launched a career as a market maker, matching buyers of stocks with sellers on Wall Street.


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[Assistant] was that Madoff had a side business as an investment advisor.


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[Assistant] Madoff's first clients were friends and associates, recruited in places like Queens, Long Island, and the Catskills. With promised returns of around 18%, entire families jumped in.


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[Assistant] As word spread, Madoff enlisted two accountants from his father-in-law's firm. First it was Frank Avellino on the left, and then Michael Biennis.


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[Assistant] Now facing lawsuits, Avelino refused to talk.


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[Assistant] With Madoff's guarantee of 20% or better, Avellino and Biennis could pocket a few percentage points while issuing promissory notes to their clients with set rates of return.


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[Assistant] Among the first investors Bionis brought in were Arnold and Joan Senken. They started with $5,000.


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[Assistant] By the mid-80s, their cut was reaching upwards of $10 million a year, just for passing along their clients' money.


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[Assistant] So is this easy money, would you say, that you're making with Madoff? Easy.


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[Assistant] In 1987, Avellino and Bienes opened a second office in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, and began looking for a new well of investors.


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[Assistant] The problem was they were getting too many clients. By the early 90s, they had amassed over 3,000.


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[Assistant] Far too many clients to be operating as unregistered investment advisors.


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[Assistant] Avellino and Bienes worried they might get busted by the SEC.


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[Assistant] An investment advisor in Seattle had called Avellino and Bienes to inquire about their steady returns. Those promissory notes didn't smell right. He was given the brush-off.


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[Assistant] The advisor called the SEC and they launched an investigation.


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[Assistant] They suspected that Avellino and Bienes were running a Ponzi scheme.


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[Assistant] Ira Sorkin, the lawyer Madoff recommended, had experience handling fraud cases, and in the mid-80s, he'd even run the SEC's New York office.


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[Assistant] There was a lot of money at stake in the case.


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[Assistant] Avellino and Bienis had $441 million invested with Madoff.


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[Assistant] Sorkin tried to figure out a way to keep Avelino and BNS in business.


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[Assistant] But before he could come up with a solution, the SEC ran out of patients.


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[Assistant] At first the SEC was worried that the money wouldn't be there, but were relieved that the trail led back to Madoff. By then he had a solid reputation on Wall Street.


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[Assistant] His market-making operation was handling trades equaling 9% of all trading on the New York Stock Exchange. And he had recently been named Chairman of NASDAQ.


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[Assistant] The SEC never paid serious attention to Madoff.


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[Assistant] But they knew that Madoff was servicing as an investment advisor 3,200 different clients.


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[Assistant] Madoff was not registered as an investment advisor.


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[Assistant] Effectively shut down and the money is returned. Madoff goes forward and is not registered. Why?


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[Assistant] Avellino and Bienis had to pay $350,000 in fines and return all their investors' money.


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[Assistant] And while Madoff paid back the lion's share, he didn't pay all of it. He shortchanged them $18 million.


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[Assistant] Avellino and Bienis asked for a meeting with Madoff at his new office in Midtown Manhattan's Lipstick Building.


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[Assistant] In a 1992 interview with the Wall Street Journal, Madoff claimed he had no idea his two front men were operating illegally.


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[Assistant] Uhm, mean that it was a legitimate operation at that time?


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[Assistant] And all the paperwork is all about you and Frank, but nothing about Bernie, and Bernie gets off scot-free, continues doing what he's doing.


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[Assistant] But sources tell Frontline that's not what happened. Avellino and Bienes continued to move money to Madoff through other frontmen, taking lucrative kickbacks on the referrals.


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[Assistant] Avelino knew Sullivan through Bible group at this Fort Lauderdale church.


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[Assistant] After 1992, Sullivan took on around 30 of Avellino and Bienes' accounts.


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[Assistant] BNS denies rooting clients through Sullivan or anyone else.


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[Assistant] But documents show that after 1992, former Avellino and Bienis clients began moving their money into partnerships that were Michael Sullivan's conduits to Madoff.


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[Assistant] Avelino and Bienis also continued to invest their own personal money with Madoff and went on to amass fortunes.


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[Assistant] The Avalinos bought this $4.5 million house in Palm Beach.


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[Assistant] And stocked it with paintings by Degas, de Kooning, Hopper, and Bacon. Paintings worth tens of millions of dollars.


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[Assistant] The Biennises became major donors to charities throughout Broward County.


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[Assistant] In 2002, Bionis accepted an award.


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[Assistant] In the 90s, Madoff really didn't need Avelino and Biennis anymore. He had moved on to bigger pools of money.


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[Assistant] President of New York's prestigious Fifth Avenue Synagogue.


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[Assistant] Stanley Chase of Beverly Hills, who worked the Hollywood crowd, and Bob Jaffe of Boston and Palm Beach.


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[Assistant] Madoff was also being courted by private bankers, mostly from Greenwich, Connecticut, the capital of the hedge fund business.


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[Assistant] One of the first to knock on his door was Jeffrey Tucker, a former SEC lawyer with a love for horse racing.


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[Assistant] He joined private banker Walter Noel to found Fairfield Greenwich Group.


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[Assistant] Walter Noel's assistant remembers how at first they struggled until they found Madoff.


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[Assistant] And what attracted them was not just made-off steady returns, but an unusual fee arrangement.


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[Assistant] Those client fees added up to around a hundred million dollars a year.


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[Assistant] And while Tucker handled Fairfield Sentry's account with Madoff, it was Noel's family that did the marketing.


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[Assistant] Noel's eldest daughter married a Colombian investment banker, Andres Piedrahita.


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[Assistant] Fund managers everywhere wanted in on it. Latin America, Asia, and Europe. And they went to major banks looking for clients.


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[Assistant] Nowhere more than in the world's capital of discretion and secrecy, Geneva.


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[Assistant] One third of all Geneva fund managers had invested with Madoff to the tune of 14 billion dollars.


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[Assistant] One of the biggest names in Europe was French aristocrat, Thierry de la Véluchère, an avid sailor, well connected with European royalty.


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[Assistant] He approached the world's biggest private wealth manager, UBS, to help him gather clients for his made-off fund at his company, Access International.


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[Assistant] On his marketing team were Prince Michael of Yugoslavia and Philippe Junot, once married to Princess Caroline of Monaco.


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[Assistant] At lavish parties, they marketed to people like L'Oreal's Liliane Betancourt, the world's wealthiest woman.


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[Assistant] His brother Bertrand said Thierry believed completely in Madoff.


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[Assistant] But Madoff had one condition he had to impose on everyone.


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[Assistant] Funds were forbidden from listing him as an investment advisor in any marketing materials. That's because Madoff was unregistered with the SEC.


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[Assistant] Even though he had thousands of clients and billions under management.


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[Assistant] has publicly advocated for more transparency in the hedge fund industry.


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[Assistant] Manskey says everyone operated by Madoff's secrecy rules.


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[Assistant] Did Madoff say to you, don't put me in your prospectus?


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[Assistant] Madoff's firm used to advertise its high ethical standards.


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[Assistant] Investors who asked were shown the operation on the 19th floor of the Lipstick Building.


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[Assistant] But this was Madoff's market-making operation, run by his two sons, Mark and Andrew, and his brother Peter. His wife Ruth came in once a month. On the street, it had a good reputation.


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[Assistant] As is now well known, the heart of the fraud was two floors down on 17.


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[Assistant] Here, a dozen employees worked under the direction of a 33-year veteran of the firm, Frank DiPascali.


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[Assistant] But few staffers, even Caputo and Ibrahim and the rest of the IT team that had access to the floor, understood what he did.


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[Assistant] But for anyone who looked hard enough, there were a few clues. Some statements showed investments in Fidelity Spartan.


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[Assistant] A fund whose name had changed and was not open to new investors.


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[Assistant] And Frontline's own investigation of a small sampling of statements found unusual accounting of cash balances.


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[Assistant] Also the fact that Madoff sent trading confirmations in the mail.


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[Assistant] Two to five days after a trade was reportedly made allowed him the benefit of hindsight, like betting on a horse race after it had begun.


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[Assistant] But if an investor complained about how Madoff did business, Deepaskali would threaten them.


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[Assistant] There were many on the outside who suspected something was wrong.


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[Assistant] A persistent rumor Dogg made off that he was involved in an illegal form of insider trading called front running.


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[Assistant] In Boston, a team of risk analysts was puzzled, wondering what Madoff was up to.


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[Assistant] In the late 90s, Casey was working with Harry Markopolos, the now-famous whistleblower. Casey and Markopolos first heard about Madoff's returns from the French aristocrat, Thierry de la Villouche.


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[Assistant] Casey asked Marco Polis, who understood esoteric tactics like split-strike conversion, to do some reverse engineering.


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[Assistant] In May 2000, Harry Markopolos contacted the SEC for the first time, submitting an eight-page memo.


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[Assistant] Frank Casey, meanwhile, flew to meet with Dilla Villaché at his New York office.


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[Assistant] Casey decided to hand the story to an investigative reporter who covered hedge funds, Michael Okrant.


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[Assistant] Casey told Okrant that Madoff had billions under management.


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[Assistant] In his reporting, Okrant questioned Madoff's consistent returns.


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[Assistant] And why other money managers were unable to duplicate them. He then arranged for an interview with Madoff.


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[Assistant] Six days after Okrant's article, Barron's, a prominent Wall Street weekly, picked up the thread. The Barron's article raised similar questions. This article comes out and causes a stir in the office.


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[Assistant] Casey and Marco Polis hoped the articles would prompt the SEC to act.


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[Assistant] It had been more than a year since Marco Polis had submitted his memo.


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[Assistant] But over at Fairfield Greenwich, now headquartered in New York, the articles did get some attention.


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[Assistant] Jeffrey Tucker, the senior partner who'd first begun their business with Bernie Madoff, went over to the lipstick building.


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[Assistant] He wanted to verify Fairfield's holdings, at that point worth around three billion dollars. He met with Bernie and Frank DiPascale.


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[Assistant] According to investigators, Madoff showed him records of trades and named a third party who had cleared them.


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[Assistant] Tucker never asked for any verification, and he never went down to the 17th floor.


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[Assistant] To see where Fairfield's accounts were allegedly being traded.


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[Assistant] Stewart Singer has filed suit against Fairfield Greenwich on behalf of investors who say that the company failed to conduct due diligence.


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[Assistant] Their risk management operation headed by Ahmed Vijay Virgaya was located a stone's throw away from this beach in Bermuda.


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[Assistant] Fairfield's partners refuse to speak to Frontline, but their attorneys insist that their due diligence surpassed industry standards. Sherry Cohen remembers differently.


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[Assistant] And as for due diligence, no one seemed to question the fact that Madoff's accountant was a one-man operation in this strip mall an hour's drive north of New York.


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[Assistant] By 2005, Marco Polis, determined to get through to the SEC, submitted a 21-page memo detailing more than two dozen red flags.


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[Assistant] In October 2005, someone writes, I'm deeply concerned that Madoff is running a very sophisticated fraudulent pyramid scheme. There was another. No down months and low volatility all the time just doesn't add up. So there was a steady flow of letters. It wasn't just Marco Polis.


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[Assistant] In late 2005, Madoff learned that SEC investigators were about to interview Fairfield's due diligence officer in that office in Bermuda.


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[Assistant] Madoff got on the phone. He began by saying, this conversation never took place. In this 65 page transcript of a single conversation, Madoff coached him on how to handle SEC investigators.


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[Assistant] You don't want them to think you're concerned about anything, he said. You should be casual. Madoff then instructed. Your position is to say, listen, Madoff has been in business for 45 years. He executes a huge percentage of the industry's orders. He's a well known broker.


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[Assistant] You know, we make the assumption that he's doing everything properly.


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[Assistant] Finally, in January 2006, prompted by Marco Polis, the SEC launched an official investigation.


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[Assistant] Frontline has been told by insiders that when SEC lawyers visited the offices, Madoff personally answered questions and was visibly nervous and irritable.


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[Assistant] In early 2009, Harry Markopolos finally got to tell his story.


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[Assistant] SEC officials refused to answer questions because they said they didn't want to compromise an ongoing investigation. But privately, officials told Frontline, the agency had for years been severely understaffed and overwhelmed.


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[Assistant] Linda Thompson, the SEC's Chief of Enforcement and one other on this panel, were forced out.


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[Assistant] When the housing bubble burst in the spring of 07 and markets collapsed, hedge funds were hurting.


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[Assistant] As the markets continued to tank, down 40% by November, hundreds of hedge funds stopped allowing clients to withdraw money or simply shut down.


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[Assistant] Mansky and de la Villaché placed even more money, including their personal accounts with Madoff.


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[Assistant] The problem was that by December, even Madoff started getting more requests for withdrawals than deposits.


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[Assistant] In the final days, Madoff called his biggest feeder Fairfield Sentry and demanded they stem the bleeding.


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[Assistant] Eager to help, Noel, Pedroita and Tucker began a massive fundraising campaign, launching a new made-off fund called Fairfield Emerald.


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[Assistant] It didn't attract enough new capital, and withdrawals from Sentry continued. A desperate Tucker then wrote Madoff. Dear Bernie, we apologize.


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[Assistant] These redemptions are panic driven. Our firm is very dependent on its relationship with your firm. Our mission is to remain in business with you.


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[Assistant] On December 11th, the morning after Madoff had allegedly confessed to his sons, the FBI knocked on his door and asked if there was an innocent explanation. Madoff said no. It was, quote, one big lie.


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[Assistant] Sandra Mansky is facing a lawsuit from a pension fund and other investors who allege she failed in her obligation to do due diligence. She in turn has sued her accountants. Other Madoff feeders are being sued.


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[Assistant] A court appointed trustee claims he must have known of the fraud.


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[Assistant] Michael Biennis and his wife Diane are selling their 16,000 square foot home and have moved into a small apartment.


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[Assistant] BNS has hired a lawyer, though no lawsuits have been filed.


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[Assistant] His old attorney, Ira Sorkin, is now representing Madoff. Fairfield Greenwich has seen multiple lawsuits filed. They range from gross negligence to fraud.


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[Assistant] In late December, planned year-end multi-million dollar bonuses for Jeffrey Tucker, Walter Noel, and Andrés Pedro Ita were cancelled.


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[Assistant] A few blocks from where Madoff began his investment advisory business nearly 50 years ago, Thierry de la Villouchet took his own life.


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[Assistant] Meanwhile, investigators are talking to Madoff Lieutenant Frank DiPascali and others, still trying to figure out what happened on the 17th floor.


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[Assistant] Bernard L. Madoff will be sentenced next month.


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[Assistant] You know what dawned on me was? It was like crazy. You said Pearl, man. I was like, man.


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[Assistant] Like, it was like, yo, like, that's fire. But the thing, the thing, Earl got like 90 nicknames. Like, he got, like, all depends on what side of town you go to. Like, if you're here, like, over on the east side, he's thugalicious.


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[Assistant] But er, Anthony, we got to get you something. You got a, you got a government name. You be walking around here all regular. Like come on bro, like listen, do you, do you use clippers on your face?


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[Assistant] Do you use cli- I think you can- you line yourself up a little bit. Do you use clippers?


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[Assistant] Did you accept that, or did you fight against that?


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[Assistant] No, I accept it. I think it's cool. Yeah, no, you accepted it, right? Yeah, you was like, alright, let me tell you. Because sometimes people be like, no, I'm not, you're not gonna get me with that. You're not gonna get me with that. You're gonna, like, that's like calling myself Ice Spikes. You can't call your name after another, like, that don't work.


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[Assistant] I was like, yeah, I was like, uh, yeah, I will say, uh, so we might as well just go all in. When I saw the comment, I said, well,


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[Assistant] PFF already had him rated like 90. 92 and a half. 92 and a half. I think Michael Parsons is second, correct? Correct.


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[Assistant] They already got him here. Uhm, so he was already doing that. The next question is, are there any other


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[Assistant] He might be the best defensive player.


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[Assistant] In the AFC, period. Not just the edge rusher, he might be the best defensive player overall in the AFC. Uhm, in the NFC, I'm not sure. Uhm, but he's, he's either one or two defender in the league. So when I look at it, and here's the, here's the shame about it. The shame about it is this. He can get better.


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[Assistant] Like, he could have, he could have better numbers. He could be more impactful. He can, he can be dominant, uhm, and dominate. Remember, there was a time where, where Miles Garrett was


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[Assistant] Just really hitting quarterbacks and just laying on them. Like he would hit the quarterback. Everybody, Miles Garrett is getting too many penalties. I think that was around 2017. I remember him just landing on quarterbacks. Now you see it where Miles Garrett is not getting those levels of penalties, but I would rather see him actually be more aggressive.


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[Assistant] I've always said I've been on records saying he should be more dominant against the run. I like to see more tackles for loss. I like to see him in the backfield penetrating more. However,


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[Assistant] The way he has our guys up front just attacking is way different from what we see. So I think we talk about Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] And I've been very, uh, I've been very bullish on, on Deshaun Watson and what he's gonna do. I think Nick Chubb's gonna have a great year. But I think Myles Garrett, this may be the perfect time. If he's ever gonna win defensive player of the year, he can do it this year. And if it's ever gonna be a time, he might want to get it done this year.


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[Assistant] There's a little bit of a love-hate relationship with Miles Garry.


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[Assistant] It, it, it, it, but I mean love, love-hate relationship. There's certain players who...


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[Assistant] We love, like, we, we loved Anderson Vergile, right? Yeah. Uhm, there's certain players like, you know, we love Joe Thomas, right?


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[Assistant] If you look at the numbers, right, you say Joe, we always talked about Joe Thomas being a perennial pro bowler, right? Probably being the first ballot Hall of Famer.


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[Assistant] Well, if you look at the track record, you look at the trajectory, Miles Garrett is on pace for the same thing.


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[Assistant] Some of the same admiration, the adoring, the...


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[Assistant] Like when somebody says, hey, the Cleveland Browns are a good team, and they say, who do you guys want to put to the forefront? It seems like Miles Garrett is actually like an afterthought.


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[Assistant] So will you say Browns? You'll say up? Chubb. Chubb Watson. Chubb Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] Even though Chubb and Watson are not as good as Miles Garrett at what he does. Why is that?


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[Assistant] Everything that the Browns have done since 1999, even when you talk about the drafts, like,


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[Assistant] It's been overshadowed by the fact that even if you get a guy like Miles Garrett, even if you hit on a really great running back like Nick Chubb, even though Joe Thomas was, was probably one of the best left tackles to ever put on a uniform, it didn't matter because you just didn't have a quarterback.


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[Assistant] You just didn't have nothing. Like, so Myles Garrett came here. We were like, okay, we were in the midst of, was we 1 in 15 his year or was it always 16? He was drafted in 17.


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[Assistant] So think about how he was always good from the start. He was dominant from the start, but it didn't even matter. We were so bad that it was like, you know, we didn't have a quarterback. We didn't have any skilled positions. So it was very difficult to judge and to kind of gauge exactly who he is and what he is. And to be honest with you, if you go back and look for the most part, if Myles Garrett was playing for


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[Assistant] Playoff teams, Dallas Cowboys, um, Bills was playing for teams that are good.


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[Assistant] He'd have a different level of stature, right? He'd have a different level of notoriety even though he's that good now.


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[Assistant] And I'll say this, he doesn't have the accolades, but if you want, like,


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[Assistant] Pass rushers, skill for skill, size for size, strength, ability, bend, rush, uh, the ability to get the ball from the quarterback. I'm gonna keep it real.


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[Assistant] He has, I mean, some of the greatest, like, Chris Dolman is a great pass rusher. Uhm, Kevin Green is a great pass rusher. Pat Swilling is a great pass rusher. I mean, he's been better than them for a long time. And these are, these are, these are, are,


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[Assistant] Or gold jackets. He got, they got the gold jackets. And when you say Bruce Smith.


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[Assistant] To me, Bruce Smith is a longevity guy. He played a lot of years for a lot of people and he did it at a high level. But when you compare Bruce Smith and Michael Strahan, uhm, Miles Garrett is just, he's a better


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[Assistant] He's like a better prospect. He just has to have the hardware. He has to do it longer. Uhm, and I think that's the only thing holding him back. If you look at Aaron Donnell, the reason why Aaron Donnell


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[Assistant] I guarantee you go look at those, those teams who win 13 games, 12 games, end up with a first round by, they got coach of the year candidates, MVP, offensive player of the year, all those guys. So it's kind of difficult. They, they, we really do minimize the ability for people to win awards if you're not playing on a good team.


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[Assistant] I'll take 16, cause 16 is, you play 16 games, you get a second game, okay, I guess.


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[Assistant] Just sacks in general, I'll take, I'm cool with, I'm cool with 16, but I would like to get more than that.


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[Assistant] To me, this is how you know you good. When you get up into the twenties,


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[Assistant] That means, like, I got counter moves. That means I'm hustling. That means, uhm, I'm getting off blocks. That means, if you get to 20,


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[Assistant] That means you're just having a special year, bro. Like there's nothing nobody can do about it. And to get to 20, you need some help. Like you do need another defensive end. You do need your defensive coordinator to be able to, to, to, you know, scheme some different stuff up. And that's why I was excited to see Jim Schwartz because now


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[Assistant] I think it's a travesty that J.O.K. is that fast, but they never blitz him. Like why would you have a god that runs like that, that can change direction, that you can throw into the rush and then have to have them guard. That plus on the other end, Miles Garrett, plus on the other end.


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[Assistant] Instead of playing vanilla, I would, I would always have him doing something else. And I think, I think Jim Schwartz is going to have people do that. I think that, I think you'll see a lot of different stuff.


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[Assistant] J.J. Watt, the years that he was with the Texas that he was that dude. Yeah, J.J. Watt was getting 20 some past deflections in a year and it would be that it was like we've never seen a guy not down that many passes. Uh, like he was, he was just, you, you know, when a guy done got to that level, I look at straight hand. I look at straight hand and when they, um,


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[Assistant] The, uh, when the Giants played the Patriots. Yep. Strahan, Tuck, and, uh, OCU Minoru. Bro, listen, they were, they were, they were.


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[Assistant] I think Mathias Kiwanuka was on that team too. He was. Plus round pick. They had multiple rushers, but what was devastating was


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[Assistant] Now you had straight hand out on the edge where you couldn't double him.


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[Assistant] And it just seemed like he was just everywhere that year. It was like, bro, the Giants is just unstoppable.


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[Assistant] You know, Reggie White had his time. We talk about Lawrence Taylor. Aaron Donnell had his time. Michael Parsons is a guy who, 13 sacks, but he, I feel like them is impactful sacks. You just, you, you feel them. It's the gravity. You get them in the fourth quarter. I think, uh, Chris Jones.


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[Assistant] Uh, for the Chiefs, he comes up very big. I thought he had a great AFC Championship game against the Bengals, but you know, based on


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[Assistant] How you, you see the game. It just, it just feels like there's nothing they can do to block this guy. He's everywhere. So there's another level and I think Miles Garrett can get there.


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[Assistant] We talk about, because we always get in a trade machine over here and we always talk about what it will take to get, so what it will take to get this person, that person. One of the topics is I want to know besides a quarterback, besides the quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] What position player would bring you back the biggest haul? And I actually think if we looked at it, I think Myles Garrett would probably, if you look at it in the league.


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[Assistant] How old is he? How old is he? Michael Parsons? Last year was his second year. He's like 12? Yeah. Okay.


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[Assistant] The contract matters. So yeaah, I would think defensive ends would be in that mix.


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[Assistant] I'll look at it two ways. Now the obvious choice is uhm, Donovan Peeples Jones, but


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[Assistant] I look at Wyatt Teller. Uhm, now here's, it may get a little funny.


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[Assistant] Because you got two guards that are already making that much money in Joe Botonio. Byteller has more injury problems as well. He's also getting around that 30, 31 age as well. So that's a, that's a perfect storm for being like you're a cap casualty. Uhm, I think


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[Assistant] That if you look at the offensive line and you look at how much they're paying him.


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[Assistant] Ah, from what I know about the Cleveland Browns, that, that this, this looks like, uh, uh, uh, uh, John Johnson the third move.


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[Assistant] That 9, 10, 11 move. Anytime you start getting over that 15, 15 million, I'm sorry. We can't do it. Donovan Peebles Jones is going to be a free agent.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it all depends on what type of, uh, you know, target he's going to get.


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[Assistant] It looks like all you guys can calm down at home. We're not getting DeAndre Hopkins, so you have your beautiful daughter of a Beaver Jones. You can spoon feed him the rock. DPJ should be happy, but he needs to put up, he would have to be the, for him to get signed, he would have to be the number one receiver. He would have to get


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[Assistant] 80 catches for 1100 yards and about seven touchdowns for him, for them to sign him because I, I, I believe that they think, okay, well it's not even people's Jones better than what Amari Cooper can give you next year and they owe him 20.


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[Assistant] That's all it is. Like, you not getting allowance then tomorrow. Like, there's, there's certain players, and I don't, I don't usually ascribe to this, ascribe to it.


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[Assistant] There are, listen, there are certain people who just are on the squad.


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[Assistant] There are certain people when you go to the park, and you got four dudes with you, and you say, my mans is coming.


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[Assistant] He's coming from across town. I only need four. He's automatically on the rise.


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[Assistant] Listen, Nick Chubb to me, there are very few backs who ever get to this. I can probably name maybe one or two. Nick Chubb to me, I would tell him, look,


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[Assistant] As long as, as long as I own the Cleveland Browns, Nick Chubb is on the roster. He will retire Cleveland Brown. He will get his number retired. He will get his jersey retired. At the end of the day, there's two, there's two running backs I respect like that. It's Jim Brown.


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[Assistant] And then it's Nick Chubb. Cause at the end of the day, Nick Chubb offers me something I can't buy.


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[Assistant] Like, let's not be, let's be clear. Our quarterback has not, if we had the culture thing figured out with the quarterback, hey,


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[Assistant] When you look at who wears the C's, Nick Chubb wears the C.


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[Assistant] Joe Bertone aware to see on offense, not the quarterback. And I don't think that changed next year. It might. Stefanski been saying that Deshaun Watson show a leadership and great, we can move along. But at the end of the day, I'm saying this, I'll find the money somewhere. And if you tell him me, Nick Chubb won't


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[Assistant] And Bernie was talking about how, you know, when he, when Bill Belichick cut Bernie Kozar.


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[Assistant] He talked about how many, he talked about people coming up to him like was trippin', like they had lost their kids, right? I'm gonna let you know right now, if the Browns cut Nick Chubb, people would flip out. People would flip out.


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[Assistant] But here's the thing, when Nick Chubb... It wasn't popular, but he was right. But Nick Chubb ain't Bernie Cozart though. Nick Chubb is one of the, is probably the best back in the league. Okay, but Bernie was...


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[Assistant] They will lose it. Like, you gotta think about it. Like, okay, when, let's take it to the Indians. When Albert Bell left,


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[Assistant] So when Albert Bell left and then Manny left.


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[Assistant] There was people that like, that was like, I can't do this. The only thing that's keeping me around here is Jim, and when Jim told me he left,


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[Assistant] We value you like this. We value you like Joe Thomas.


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[Assistant] We're going to do everything we can to keep you in a reasonable number. Do you want to retire here? At least give them the option.


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[Assistant] So lemme, here's why, and Earl, maybe you could speak to this. This is why I'm emotional, right?


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[Assistant] I look at the AFC North, I look at the AFC North as our own little world. Like, because we got so much history with the Browns being coming to Ravens and obviously you got the Steelers and the Bengals is right in your backyard. To me, when I get emotional when I be like,


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[Assistant] When you s- you think Munoz, he ain't playin' with nobody else, that's- that he's bangled. When you see Ray Lewis.


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[Assistant] Ray Lewis is like, no, I'm hanging it up here. Ogden. Ed Reed. They made it where like, yo. And then, like even Big Ben.


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[Assistant] Roethlisberger get his send-off. He get all, like he get his parade. He get all that. He got to, you know, announce it. So when I look at the other places, I'm like, man, Pouncy is another guy. You look at these guys, they Hall of Famers.


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[Assistant] Now, when they go four and something, uh, Derrick Henry, playing linebacker. They're playing two rookies.


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[Assistant] Whoever, this is on the boat. Whoever Deshaun Watson started throwing the ball to, like, he's, he's teared.


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[Assistant] The Cleveland Browns have now started a renaissance. They have a new logo, a new dog logo, more intimidating.


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[Assistant] Gotta show your ID, it gets real rough down there. And, what we're gonna do, naming rights,


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[Assistant] If you got a bunch of dogs and you want to name, or you want to name your stadium, nickname the pound, what better way than go do that?


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[Assistant] Then sign up with a company that endorses all types of pets. Here's what we're going to do. This company, Petsmart.


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[Assistant] Uh, Petsmart, seven billion dollars in revenue, so they got the bag.


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[Assistant] The bag is there. PetSmart, 7 billion annually, 56,000 employees, right? Say, look at this. PetSmart Stadium, PetSmart Field, PetSmart, whatever you want to call it. But guess what? We all know what it is. It's PetSmart Stadium, AKA The Pound.


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[Assistant] And I need dogs in the kennel. I need dogs, actual dogs, all types of dogs in the kennel. And they're going to be there for the game. Not only are you going to be there for the game, but what you're going to do is you're going to be able to adopt one of those dogs after the games.


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[Assistant] How'd the gerbils come from? How'd the gerbils get into this? Shout out to the rodents. Because it's for the smaller kids. Now the smaller kids can't have no dogs. See gerbils, rabbits, things like that. Ferrets. Only ferrets are sold at local stores. We got it at our apartment store. We sell ferrets.


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[Assistant] What's up, Miles? He over there, he's like, y'all put me down. Jason Lloyd got my seat again.


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[Assistant] You see what you did? See what you did? See, chat, you understand? Big Nuggets went emotional. He really came emotional with the Jim Brown. That's the only thing that could've wiped that down. Just wait for the rest. I see you.


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[Assistant] I said exactly what it was. Breaking news, McNuggets! They loved your, they loved your stadium rights name so much that they decided to gift.


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[Assistant] Five memberships. Cody Clark, we appreciate you. He has gifted five Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show memberships. We appreciate you out there. And I believe.


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[Assistant] He had, he had every right to talk his talk. Do you, do you know, I was in the, I was in the comment section cause I don't have nothing better to do with my life and I'll be just looking through on TV. I saw in our Donovan Mitchell, uh, you know, conversations that there are people that came, only watched our show because the algorithm suggested it when we were talking about the Knicks.


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[Assistant] But how is it, I don't even see a flying pilot, Jay, in nowhere in greater Cleveland. At all.


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[Assistant] You feel like, like, say for instance, like, if him and MD wanted to go in there, can they just, like, get coffee and roll out without paying or?


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[Assistant] Can they just, can they just pull up in the pump and just get it off? Like, how does that work? Do they gotta tell the guy?


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[Assistant] Ask him next time, like if you want to roll up, like if you rolled up, like.


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[Assistant] Anytime you own a natural resource, like if you own gas, oil, electric, or any hydropower, you're filthy rich.


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[Assistant] You know Bucky, one of the things that I was, we were talking about on the show a couple of weeks ago was,


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[Assistant] You know, at the time when Deshaun Watson, if you go back and you rewind the clock and you go back and you look at, uhm, his trajectory in the playoff game where, uhm, Patrick Mahomes comes back from the huge halftime deficit. At that time,


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[Assistant] Sean Watson was looked at in that same stratosphere. He was looked at as a guy who has some of the same characteristics, some of the same traits and thought about he had that same upside. You go, you flash, you fast forward to today and that was seems like there's a, there's a perception because of the six games and the layoff.


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[Assistant] Where do you think his, what do you think his trajectory is in terms of making it back to the place where he is mentioned in, in that top five type, uh, rare five era in terms of quarterbacks?


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[Assistant] You know, when we look at the AFC, we talk about the roster and how great the Browns roster looks on paper. However, you go down and you look at the other AFC teams.


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[Assistant] And, I mean, I've never seen a collection of quarterback play, like, I mean, you're looking from the top of the, you know, the food chain with Patrick Mahomes, even guys that you're looking at, you know, with Derek Carr and guys like that, that are very capable of winning games and putting up numbers.


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[Assistant] Just right now in context, how good is this quarterback, you know,


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[Assistant] Class and quarterback, you know, conference in totality when you're talking about the AFC.


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[Assistant] You know what, the area where I love watching you most is you do an excellent job of breaking down the NFL's rap. And, uh, you know, I'm already looking ahead. I love when you guys give the way too early predictions on these, but I'll tell you what.


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[Assistant] Uh, there's some, there's some ballplayers out of this next round. One of the guys we see in, uh, in Ohio as Buckeye fans, uh, Marvin Harrison Jr. Uhm, him and the quarterback from USC, Caleb, uh, what's his name? Caleb Williams.


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[Assistant] And so, you know, when you talk about somebody's prospects,


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[Assistant] Would those guys have been top names this year, or what are they kind of mixing? Because I've heard a lot of people talk about how dynamic the class is next year.


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[Assistant] You know, Bucky, we, we, we look at, uh, traditional offense, Kevin Stefanski, uh, a lot of 12, 13 personnel tight ends, and we ran the ball a lot. And I think that was because it worked to the skill set of what we had Jacobi Brissett and then Baker Mayfield prior to that.


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[Assistant] Now that the offense is going to be a little more wide open, there's this natural progression to think that Nick Chubb in the running game will be minimized. However,


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[Assistant] You know, when you do have, you know, a passing quarterback.


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[Assistant] Uhm, we think that the run game can help the quarterback, but also a good quarterback can help the run game. Uhm, how is the, how could, uh, you know, Nick Chubb be folded into this office? What does Deshaun Watson mean for a running game that may have lighter boxes because of the threat of the run with Deshaun Watson in his arm?


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[Assistant] But I respect anybody that can go from being a player to them putting themselves back in the game and saying, I want to learn to be a scout.


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[Assistant] And then, I'm gonna, I don't, I'm not just gonna say I'm a player, I know what I'm talking about. So we learn to be a scout, Denny's an analyst, learn to get the TV game, podcast game.


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[Assistant] You know, that, that's, that's very impressive because a lot of people feel like they can just skip ranks and not do, he's put the work in and you could tell because he's, the way he talks about these is just off the top, just like a computer.


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[Assistant] It's like supermodels, like you be like, you look at a supermodel and they won't have makeup on or whatever.


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[Assistant] And you'd be like, oh, she's looking bad today. You'd be like, no, no, no, no. She looks better than your wife, at her best. Like, but you'd be like, and you married her forever. You said you'd give her everything. And that woman, you can't say she looked terrible. Julius Peppers?


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[Assistant] He's the first guy I ever seen. I used to be a defensive ender and I had body Chevy. Like I was like, I don't have abs. I was small, but I didn't have, I was like, bro, these defensive ends is looking like bodybuilders now. He's the first dude who had pads on that looked like he was outside playing basketball in a hoop jersey and shorts.


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[Assistant] Full equipment. I'm like, this dude looks so, I'm like, yo, he moves different. He didn't feel like he ain't even restricted. He picked the football up and just run away from people. I'm like, that's a defensive end. I'm never doing that. That's the difficult thing when you talk about these specimens.


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[Assistant] Because I love, I think this is it. Like when you talk about marketing and you talk about business, the guardians slide on a lot of things and you know why they slide on a lot of things is because you really like them. They are just so likeable.


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[Assistant] And if you think of it, like, you think about it, it really puts you on, it really puts you on a, like, you always think, nah, I shouldn't do that, come on, I'm being too hard on him.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's a long season. I'm being too hard. You know, they got the bats together the other day. And I think that's also a product of how long the season is because people can't be outraged every third day.


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[Assistant] You just can't muster it. Like during presidential elections, right? People used to do stuff crazy every day. You'd be like, but I can't, I can't call it out. I just can't call it out no more. Just let them go. This ain't that bad.


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[Assistant] So you can't call out the Guardiaz Bats every day. They just lose five nothing and you're kind of like, okay, well, let's see if they'll win tomorrow. And that's what they are. But it's brilliant. It's brilliant.


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[Assistant] And at least McNuggets, they had young guys last year that didn't expect to do nothing. So when they overachieved or all of them played well, you still got that warm and fuzzy feeling even if they weren't hitting a couple days.


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[Assistant] Nah, I was gonna ask Jason because, you know, obviously baseball is his favorite sport.


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[Assistant] So the way it's set up is the guardians will always be in contention, basically, unless, I don't know, unless, you know, there's a pretty good chance they'll always be in contention based on where they play.


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[Assistant] So that means they'll probably make the playoffs, but not really be able to make any noise. Will there ever be a time where you say, coming into that season,


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[Assistant] They gotta win the World Series, or make it to the World Series, or I'm gonna be pissed.


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[Assistant] I don't think it's ever going, the way it's set up, I don't think there's ever going to be a time because there's too many things baked in a cake. The one thing is that you know they're not going to spend a lot of money.


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[Assistant] Two, if they do have a bunch of players that actually turn really, really good, they can't keep them. Three, the division is mid, and even if you do win a division, you still gotta go play the monsters with all the bats and all the money. So, is there ever a time you get this small gratification, it's like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's never like, it's never like when the guardians losing a playoff, you don't get that. Like the gut punch you got from the Cavs, right? You don't have the same thing.


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[Assistant] And he wiped down a whole Colorado Buffalo's team and brought in 90 new recruits, all four and five stars.


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[Assistant] Like a win, like real win. They gonna beat USC? No. No.


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[Assistant] They won't, I think they'll be 7-4 this year.


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[Assistant] And I wanna see actually how good Shadora Sanders is. I saw him play, I'm like, he might get drafted. And then it got to a point where I'm like,


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[Assistant] Randy Moss is the only dude I know that turned his name into an adjective. Getting mossed.


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[Assistant] They got two different styles. Kobe's a post guy. Big range game. He didn't have that much athleticism. Lebron was big, freight train.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I know who it is. Uh, but Lawrence Taylor is, uh, he changed the game. He started everybody being thundercats. Like, you, Giefer's alignment was big. He is a thundercat coming off the end and just basically doing whatever he wants. And I think I know who number one is.


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[Assistant] Man, we had the crazy deck rolls too on the back of it, so I looked like, I looked like somebody from the Monstars, bro. Like it was, I'm like, dang, you, you big right that, you intimate, but yeaah, the back end.


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[Assistant] Nowadays, the least amount, like nowadays, it's all, people only wear leg pads. And it's crazy, yeaah. Like, and you wonder why you hurt. We used to have butt pads.


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[Assistant] Butt pads, hip pads, side pads, all the pads. We had all of them and it was terrible. And they used to always slide down because you know you didn't lift your legs. They just slide down like mayonnaise. I know what Jason was going to say. Like what?


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[Assistant] You don't want mayonnaise. You put mayonnaise on anything. It just slides off. Like it doesn't stick. I've never put mayonnaise on anything but a sandwich. It slides off. What else you


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[Assistant] Hey guys, Jimmy, I'm here in beautiful Puerto Rico at Toro Verde, and I'm about to ride the Monster. Uh, it's one of the longest ziplines in the world.


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[Assistant] Now Tariq, you've done ziplines before. Where have you ziplined before? Uhm, Fiji, Hawaii, New Jersey. Jersey? Yea.


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[Assistant] It's so tight. Yeah, I got em, yeah. Dude, I got things you gotta worry about in there.


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[Assistant] We did it, we conquered the monster, and now it's time for a cheers. Cheers. Salud.


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[Assistant] I got your message saying that basically we should look at the Facebook and Twitter posts you put out, but we have questions that go beyond that.


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[Assistant] How many folks have been prosecuted? And how many cases might still be in the pipeline?


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[Assistant] And as a civic nationalist, what are your issues? What are your bedrock beliefs?


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[Assistant] The Proud Boys are led by Enrique Tario. He's this guy who is a Cuban-American man of color. Uhm, what's going on with that, do you think?


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[Assistant] Yeaah. There are more bullet marks. What was the kind of weapon that he was using? What do we know about that?


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[Assistant] You've got a generic white Ford van, no license plate, a gun that doesn't have serial numbers on it, with a real common caliber bullet, a 9mm, and basically it is a mystery at that point with not a lot of clues.


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[Assistant] So, was Stephen Carillo part of a local or regional chapter or cell or militia? What was the deal?


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[Assistant] So what I see in the law enforcement bulletins and what I see in


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[Assistant] The core charges are Boogaloo movement, it's about violently overthrowing the government, starting a civil war, and killing cops.


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[Assistant] And you think that this is in part a response to concerns about police abuse and about police-


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[Assistant] So the Trump presidency's eroding people's faith in the government further.


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[Assistant] You're sketching out a decentralized network where you have different nodes on that network that may have a leader, may have a commander and a structure, but overall there's no overarching general who's calling the shots.


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[Assistant] What do you think of these guys in Michigan who are allegedly targeting the governor?


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[Assistant] Do you feel like now what you're seeing is radical fringe?


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[Assistant] Ideologies migrating into the mainstream and sort of moving out of those small, uh, fringe groups into


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[Assistant] Investigating domestic terror cases. When you think about the future of political violence in this country, are you worried about another January 6th, where it's sort of a mass eruption, or are you more worried about an individual act of terrorism by an individual or a small cell?


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[Assistant] So we go to these rallies and the brown boys say we love the police, we back the blue, uh, blue lives matter, but that changed, that changed on January 6th and suddenly they are at war with the police.


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[Assistant] There was no state in the United States I could travel to where I didn't have a place to stay. There was no shortage of...


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[Assistant] James claims he left the white power movement behind years ago.


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[Assistant] I would need to know what ratio. You're dark enough, I would need to know. You know, I would obviously know he's not white, and that would have an impact on how I viewed him.


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[Assistant] I haven't flipped over to the left, I haven't gotten, uh,


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[Assistant] It's not like I've changed, it's just that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, it certainly doesn't matter as much as other things. Ideology is the primary.


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[Assistant] Motivating factor to me and whether or not the country is going to turn out okay or not.


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[Assistant] I thought we were doing something positive and obviously that day turned out to be a horrible disaster.


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[Assistant] Uh, individual liberty and adhering to the Constitution as much as possible.


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[Assistant] Where we take away accountability, where we try to force equality of outcomes instead of equal opportunity I don't like.


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[Assistant] Uh, cancel culture and, and political correctness to a large extent.


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[Assistant] People see the left as taking over and moving society in a certain direction.


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[Assistant] So we're just the ones that are the tip of the spear out standing up for that physically.


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[Assistant] I mean, I've been doing what I'm doing here for 30 years and there's normally...


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[Assistant] Five, ten guys in the city, maybe twenty in the state. I have two hundred right now.


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[Assistant] Well, you've got a guy who's a nationalist in the most powerful seat in the world. I mean, we've got a guy who's, you know, at least 75, 80, 90% on our side, and he's the president. There's no reason at that point to be, uh, an extremist.


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[Assistant] In the surveillance footage, what you can see is the side of the van door just starts slowly opening up and by the middle of the intersection, the shots begin to fire. He's on the side of the van, facing this way, shooting at the guard post.


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[Assistant] So he was using an AR-15 rifle. It's fully automatic, uh, and as you can see from the bullet remains that are both on this guard post and slightly behind it on the wall, uh, that thing got off at least 10 rounds.


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[Assistant] It was a ghost gun. It was unmarked.


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[Assistant] Exactly. I mean, people just don't have anything to go off of. They took off into the night down the street and no one was able to catch them.


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[Assistant] It was kind of substantiating this relationship we had already been digging into between the military and military experience and this so-called Boogaloo movement. We started to put the pieces together and say, okay, these are people with legitimate military experience who are going out and, you know, creating noise on behalf of this movement. Boogaloo boys.


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[Assistant] The movement's decentralized. Anyone can call themselves a boogaloo boy. Just because there's a group of boogaloo boys who say, you know, we're colorblind, you know, look at, you know, these people who affiliate with our group who are not white, uhm, doesn't mean that there aren't white supremacists who affiliate with the boogaloo movement. They're, they're very much so fluid in a sense.


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[Assistant] What's really interesting is if you, uh, saw some of the posts he was putting on Facebook prior to that event, he was, you know, like, let's use these protests to our advantage. Let's go out and sort of use this moment to capitalize on it.


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[Assistant] The first interview with Stephen Carrillo was 20 minutes long and that second one lasted for an hour and a half.


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[Assistant] I think, mainly from my conversations with him, I think was definitely radicalized, uhm, at the Air Force.


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[Assistant] He did. They had two meetings. The first was on April 25th.


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[Assistant] Ultimately, the boogaloo means a violent insurrection. Like ultimately, whatever the spectrum you're in as a boogaloo boy, you are wishing and


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[Assistant] Yeah, so we all went down separately. I will say the USFL, awesome.


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[Assistant] Uh, event. The event was uh, parking was chaotic. Boogie, just be lucky that you guys don't have to park. Or was it? Yeah, every one of us parked in a different place. Wow. We all tried to tell each other where we parked. No one could figure out where we parked. Uh, it was chaotic on the parking side, but overall it was a blast. Dollar hot dogs and sodas the entire game. Offense?


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[Assistant] Optional. But that's because Boogie and his Pittsburgh Maulers defense, what'd you have, five interceptions?


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[Assistant] It was fun to watch. Boogie, I do gotta call you out on two things though. Uh oh. One, on that first interception, your whole team went down to celebrate in the end zone. And it was like 85 degrees and I know Boogie's laughing.


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[Assistant] Two more things. One, secondly, Boogie got interviewed live during the game.


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[Assistant] And one last thing from the game. Steve, take tag board full, play the video. Boogie, walk us through this. Your first career rush in professional football.


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[Assistant] No, it was a really good time. It was fun. We saw some, uh, some UCSS fans out there. So we appreciate you guys coming out saying what's up. Dollar hotdogs, you cannot beat that.


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[Assistant] And G. Bush, on that defense, their leading tacklers that season, just so we are on the same page, was De'Quel, Sean Jones, uh, Leon Williams, Eric Wright, Sean Smith, Rodney Poole, Cameron Wimbley, Sean Rogers was on that team. Okay.


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[Assistant] Yeah, actually, I got a question for Boogie on expectations when Arash is super talented. So you go into your thing, then come back to me. Okay.


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[Assistant] I got a question for Boogie and then we'll put a bow on this topic. Move to our second brown stop before we talk a little basketball and guardians. And this question is brought to you by...


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[Assistant] Talent on this roster, and how this is one of the more talented Browns teams of at least the last couple decades, if not the most talented.


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[Assistant] Going back to your playing days, San Jose State, Pittsburgh, even with a little bit, uh, of your tour at the Rams, how does having that, that high of preseason expectations and knowing this roster or the roster you're on is that talented affect how you go through training camp practices and the mental side of things as you guys prepare for an upcoming season?


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[Assistant] One of them was a special team's guy who had more carries that drive than he had in any game.


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[Assistant] And he's proven, yeaah. So let's just, in a hypothetical world, Deshaun Watson comes back and he is 2020 Deshaun Watson in Houston, if not even better. They're throwing the ball 30-35 times a game and they're scoring at will because they have so many different options on the outside. Cooper, Moore, DPJ, Tillman and Joku, all these different weapons.


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[Assistant] I think there's a scenario where, in a perfect world, Chubb's getting 16-17 carries a game.


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[Assistant] But there's also a world where the Browns are flat out crushing teams because their defense is only allowing 13 to 20 points per game. Offensively, they're scoring 28 to 35 with all the firepower. And in the fourth quarter, when we're looking at scores where we think, oh, they're going to give Nick Chubb 7-8 carries to wind the clock down.


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[Assistant] I'm just presenting this scenario to how I think there's a path for a receiver to end up with more receiving.


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[Assistant] Last season, in totality, between Burset and Deshaun Watson in 17 games, the Browns threw for 3,700 yards. I think we all expect Watson to be throwing around 4,500, if not more. 47, 48.


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[Assistant] Sure, but that's still 300 more receiving yards to be dispersed around those guys. Once again, I think Nick chubs the answer. And if to G's point, 4,700 yards, you were talking about an extra thousand yards to be dispersed. If Cooper had 1,200 last year.


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[Assistant] I don't think it's crazy to imagine having 13, 14, an extra 200, 300 out of


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[Assistant] Yeah, I just, I didn't realize that till you just said next month. Next month is the 19th. Yeah, unfortunately.


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[Assistant] I was gonna slide in, I got a couple of reads, we're gonna talk guardians. Okay. So let me get my reads in and, uh, then we will continue with the show. But we did a YouTube chat based on the Nick Chubb carries and you guys can start unhooking boogie here. What were the results there? So we asked the chat.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I bet you, whatever the difference was, you said the average chance was about 21,000 and you said 17 last year. I think it was 17 or 18 last year. That's half year increase right there.


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[Assistant] Real quick, two things on Friday's game. One, shout out to Bull for bringing his entire literally team.


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[Assistant] I'm 99% sure that's the age range. I think Aaron's just turned 10, so 10-11 or 9-10. Stayed 14 innings. Kudos to them. That takes a lot of...


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[Assistant] Let's say Aaron was supposed to come to the USFL game the next day, he was still exhausted from the game before. Oh, so he didn't go? Aaron did not make it to the USFL game, but it's cause he was at a 14 inning guardians game. Yeaah. And they played 14 innings in 4 hours.


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[Assistant] Like that's still hard to fathom in today's world. That is the base that we get to. And secondly on, one thing on Fridays, again, I want to ask you about Jay. What was Dusty Baker thinking? I don't know. I don't know. Intentionally walking him for David Fry. I'll never understand that.


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[Assistant] I got two super chats a day, then we'll get to the next Guardians topic and then finish the show with a little basketball talk. Uh, first super chat's from Dogpound, Derek, he says,


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[Assistant] He didn't get to come say hi to the crew at the USFL game, but he did make Boogie shake his hand for making a route for a Pittsburgh team. Tell him I'm sorry my son wouldn't let his hand go. Autism is a different beast. I'm sure Boogie did not mind the least bit.


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[Assistant] Uh, thanks for coming, we appreciate that, Derek. Secondly, from Professor Chaos, uh, last Shane Bieber question is the Super Chat, then we'll move on to Guardians at 65 GamePoint this year versus last year. Professor Chaos wants to know if Shane Bieber starts looking more like he was in this last game.


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[Assistant] Do we trade him now or keep him for the playoffs with his value going up?


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[Assistant] Earl's right, they had 29 wins on June 12th last year. Yeah, but we didn't have 65 games. They had 36 wins.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Okay. You ready for this? Yeah. So entering.


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[Assistant] Friday, September 9th of last season. They were 70 and 65. Okay. 70 and 65, heading into a series against Minnesota, on the road, and that series started Friday, February 9th. 70 and 65.


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[Assistant] They ended the season 92 and 70. They finished the season 22 and 5.


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[Assistant] We got one more time to remind you guys that the lunch hour of the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show is sponsored by Colleague Company's Championship. You can check out all your favorite golfers at the famous Firestone Country Club, July 12th through the 16th. You can learn more information at ColleagueGolf.com. Game five of the NBA Finals is tonight. The Nuggets have a chance to clinch their first ever


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[Assistant] NBA title and I have five stats you need to know for tonight's game and then we'll do a little preview.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think we're all in agreement there, so we're not gonna spend too much time on it, but here are five stats you need to know that have defined the finals and will play a part in tonight's outcome. You guys ready? Sure, sir. The first stat, how about 6.8?


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[Assistant] Denver's done a better job defending him. He caught Supernova from three against Boston and what has been exposed in this series is Miami has two scores.


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[Assistant] Through four games this series, the Nuggets are plus 38 in the series. Miami's one win was a three point win. Denver had a shot at the buzzer. Two tie it. Jamal Murray missed the shot.


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[Assistant] Which is what I'm getting to here is, this has not been particularly close. In four games, the Nuggets have won, despite losing a game, a 38 point advantage. And I do not anticipate that getting much closer tonight. And even more impressive, this goes right into the next point. And Gbush, this is the guy you love. They are plus 38 in the series despite the fact


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[Assistant] That Michael Porter Jr. is 3 for 22. You can take it, Steve.


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[Assistant] He is 3 for 22 in 4 games so far and the Nuggets are still, despite that, plus 38 in the series.


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[Assistant] That was crazy. Gee Bush, Michael Porter Jr. is a guy that you talked about. Kudos to Denver for drafting him, being patient and got that max contract. He got benched in game three for Christian Brown.


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[Assistant] Do they want to trade him to the cast? And then didn't put him back in. I mean, he's, he's going to play a big role tonight. He's not benched. He played in game four, played a lot of minutes, but it shows that his coach and Mike Malone in this instance is okay with shaking things up and riding with the hot hand, not the guy who's getting paid a max deal.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean Miami in the Eastern Conference Finals was up 3-0. I know they were. I know. And then, and then one game


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[Assistant] Makes no sense. Alright, two more, two more stats that you guys gotta know heading into tonight. Miami's down 3-1. They've made more threes in three of the four games.


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[Assistant] So despite the fact that we look at all the stuff in basketball today, a lot of times it comes down to which team made more threes.


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[Assistant] They're doing nothing besides making threes and they're shooting a ton. Their percentage has not been extraordinary. And Denver, because of what Jokic can do and how they can set up their offense, it doesn't even matter. And the number one stat to know, 95.2%.


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[Assistant] Denver closes it out tonight, in five, just like I told you.


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[Assistant] So there was a sequence in game four, and this, I think, paints the perfect picture of why Denver's so impossible to guard right now.


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[Assistant] They ran a high pick and roll with Murray and Jokic and Murray came off to the right, kicked it back to Jokic. Both Miami defenders went with Murray, he had a wide open three. So the next possession, they did the same thing. The Heat tried to switch on the backside.


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[Assistant] Murray tosses it back to Jokic and Vincent's on him. Vincent turns and throws a lob to Aaron Gordon.


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[Assistant] And this is the, this is the issue. The third time they don't switch, they try to fight over the screen and Murray has a step on Butler then. He has a little floater and three straight possessions on the exact same plate. Miami tried guarding it three different times.


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[Assistant] I don't, and I think Devin Harris told me this when we were down in Dallas shooting the pilot. And he said Miami's better in the playoffs without Hero. Cause Hero plays no defense and does his own thing offensively. In the regular season, you need that just to be able to take positions off. And at first I was like, you're crazy. And then watching it through, I was like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know what, he might be right. And speaking of Hero, he's been upgraded to Probable tonight, so we might actually see him play. Uh, OlaD puts a shell in himself, G, he's not the same player.


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[Assistant] What's on tomorrow's show? Tomorrow we have two A-list guests. Oh, that's right. Greg Newsome and Gilbert Arenas 12 and 1230. Make sure you guys tune in. It's a hot second. Tomorrow we will talk Browns, Guardians, Browns, plus whatever we get into with those two. Should be a good one.


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[Assistant] Talking about haters, I hope the nickname suggestions are better than your stadium suggestions, Mike.


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[Assistant] Man, you gotta stop doing that kind of stuff. Disney is too powerful. I'm sure it'll pass. There's not even a good reason to say no anyway. Well, they don't really need a good


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[Assistant] But also, so what? Republicans have done it four times. In fact, the Republican candidate has only won the popular vote


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[Assistant] I just think we're going about this wrong. So what do you think we should do? It should be put up for vote as a constitutional amendment, not just a piece of legislature. Do you at least agree that I should be a state? What? Do you think I should be a state? Sorry, I can't hear you. Should I be a state? You're breaking up.


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[Assistant] You're the worst. That's what the W stands for. Also, what if you become a state? Don't you think that would just set a precedent for other cities to become states? Who would even want that? Hell yeah, buddy! You sit down and shut up. I just wanna grow corn and own guns. And you will.


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[Assistant] I don't know bro, I'm getting old, you know, I'm 21, you know, I first measured I was 18 years old. Yeaah. You know what I'm saying? So, like I've been, you know, I've been through a lot of shit, you know, public and private, and I'm just not the same person that I used to be anymore, at all, and no way.


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[Assistant] At all. You know what I'm saying? It was fresh and it was new and it was more so than the music because the music was there but the look of me.


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[Assistant] Play it with it and then it just all staggered together. Know what I'm sayin'? But, uhm, times have changed and a lot of shit has diluted.


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[Assistant] It's that, you know what I'm saying, but like, it's almost like I'm contradicting myself, bro, cause people always say some shit to me, they always be like, bro, you used to make all this type of music, and now you rap about this and that, but,


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[Assistant] I'm not a fuckin' 17 year old anymore, you know what I'm sayin'? But at the same time, it's like, I get it though. You know like, cause I was telling Soulja on the phone, I was saying like, bro, you gotta get back to making radio type music, some type shit, you know what I'm sayin'? But, but.


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[Assistant] I don't know bro, to be honest bro, but as far as like, the whole, like getting popping off of like,


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[Assistant] Viral shit, you always gotta follow that shit with some shit. Like Bad Baby followed it. Know what I'm saying? Like if Soulja woulda put out, and I love Soulja bro, I swear to god I talk to him all the time. If he woulda put out a song, one song, that was hard after that shit.


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[Assistant] And, and it's, I mean, shit is so opinionated, bro, cause it's like, like, niggas say shit all the time, bro, but like,


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[Assistant] You know what I'm saying? True. So it's like, it ain't really, it ain't dead. You know, this content rap is coming back. Yea, but this swag shit ain't dead. Yea. Especially if it ain't coming and pulling.


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[Assistant] But, it's amazing now, you know what I'm saying? It's real family shit. It's cool.


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[Assistant] That was great. I just, I got the phone with my master monger. Oh.


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[Assistant] Like, like she still want, she still want, she's, you know, she writing a book right now and she, she want a TV show, you know, she got this show called uh, Raisin the Rapper.


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[Assistant] Our first episode was with X's mom. Wow. Yea, it's already taped and everything.


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[Assistant] Fuck no. No, no, no, no, that's too much. I don't have the patience. I just like to find clothes. I like old clothes. I don't like new clothes. Like, I like, I love clothes, but I don't like pictures. I was looking at a, uhm,


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[Assistant] I was looking at A. What? What was I looking at? I'm sorry. I was looking at A.


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[Assistant] Dog, I was, yesterday, I was looking at a, uhm,


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[Assistant] Shopping and then recording, you know, like when you record some shit, like, oh shit, this shit is fire, bro. And you gotta put a snippet out or you want people to hear some shit. That's about it though, bro. At this point in life, at 21, 3 years in,


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[Assistant] But I feel like it made me the man I am today. Like if I hadn't went through that and some shit like that would happen now, I wouldn't even know how to handle it. But that shit was... It's cool though, you know?


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[Assistant] Sorry, Debbie, that shit, that shit affected me, bro, cause a lot of times I felt like everyone hated me.


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[Assistant] You know, whether it's, get a song out there, whether it's, get a fucking, uh, fucking,


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[Assistant] I think he did. And that was an error when they were getting 25 to 30 carries a game, too. Not this, you know, double backfield, double backback where they're getting 15, 16 carries. They were legitimate bell cows. And to last that long? 12 years? At that position, too.


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[Assistant] More carries than any other running back in college when he was at Oklahoma. I didn't know that. All those carries.


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[Assistant] We only played three years. Oh, okay, he played three. But he had, and we have the stats and we'll pull it up when he comes up, but I was...


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[Assistant] I think you had like 650 calories in three years in college, which is just stupid.


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[Assistant] I think he's cancelled now. Yeaah, he's out of here. He's done. I like Tom and Jerry, was a classic. And then uh, Road Runner.


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[Assistant] YouTube chat suggestions. I'm gonna shark, the fighting sharks. Do you know what I'm talking about?


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[Assistant] Even worse Jay, with the day you were supposed to pitch.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'll start. I'm buying them for the playoffs simply because I think the division's terrible.


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[Assistant] As you laid out before we got into this, if they're in the AO East, they're out of it. They're out. If they're in the AO West, they're out of it.


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[Assistant] But they're in the AL Central and that puts them right in the thick of things. They have won three of their last four series. They're playing better. The one series they didn't win is a 2-2 split. So they actually haven't lost in four series. And speaking of the number four, this is why I'm not fully buying in, even though I am buying them as a playoffs contender.


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[Assistant] They've won 4 games this year by 4 plus runs. That's it. They've played over 60 games, they've only won 4. They have 29 wins, 25 of those have been saved situations. That is the fewest by any team that would have won the division through 62 games, ever.


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[Assistant] So they're not crushing teams. They're squeaking by teams, which is fine because a win's a win. It doesn't matter if you win by one run or win by ten runs. You know their last three losses are all by one run.


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[Assistant] So they have had every break go their way last year. This year those breaks haven't all gone their way.


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[Assistant] And they're not blowing teams out, they run differentials still in the red. It is. However... 22 minus 22 or something.


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[Assistant] 22, 23, right in that range. It's in the 20s. But, they're a game and a half back because the twins who are in first place are under 500. So, don't sell your guardian stock.


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[Assistant] Can they win the World Series? Totally different question. But as far as are they a playoff team? Yea, it's because this division sucks. Yea.


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[Assistant] It may not have been fa- just give me once, I'll get to the exact number. He's- he- The bottom line is he accidentally killed a bird and he's-


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[Assistant] Now on the flip side though, and I'm not advocating for or against trading Shane Bieber here, I'm just saying.


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[Assistant] Because the second wild card's been added and so many teams are in it now,


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[Assistant] There's a chance that Bieber is the best starting pitcher available at the Deadline, which means you might get back more for him than you would based on just his production alone. Like he might be the prized


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[Assistant] I do have a question. So you listed the five starters with the lowest ERAs. Two of those guys in Bybie and Allen. And those were all the starters. Starters, yea. And Mackenzie, like you said, just only pitched five innings. Savalli only has, I think, four starts or five starts all season. So, little off kilter here, but guys like Bybie and Allen.


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[Assistant] When you see top pitching prospects coming into the majors, a lot of times they


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[Assistant] And his first start against the Pirates, and I think he had, he had 14 strikeouts, which hit the MLB rookie record. And I think the Nationals, or the Pirates, excuse me, only touched the ball like four times. Yeah, well he had a pitch that most people hadn't seen before. So like, no film, and a lot of, you know, the Gardens had brought guys up with looking extraordinary in the first start.


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[Assistant] How many starts do these guys need before opposing teams can start to game plan against what they do?


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[Assistant] And let's be honest, the Guardians need to stat pad. Because a lot of their stats are terrible. Especially offensively, so when they get an opportunity against... Run it up. And we love Corey Kluber, but he was throwing BP last night, essentially. It's hard to watch.