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[Assistant] You know, to kind of have like, they were kind of partying and having fun all day and then until that last few tries and that was it.


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[Assistant] No, they have not been there. You're right. His best year was the year he broke his leg. He was probably going to be the MVP. Been a little while. They got in the playoffs and lost to the Houston Texans.


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[Assistant] Well, I know, the, the pick, yep, well he's forced to that and then he started off the game yesterday with a pick pretty bad early on, but just unfazed by it and...


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[Assistant] He's back next year, right? I think so. Somehow, someway. You know, I would think that they signed, I've been saying this, you know, a two year deal.


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[Assistant] Where they can get out after the first year and really not have a salary cap penalty or charge or something like that. But I think that's what would make sense. Like a two year deal where they can protect themselves.


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[Assistant] His good is not just good, it's like, it's off the charts good.


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[Assistant] As good as, as good as anybody in football. They're seven and seven. They've won what? Five out of the last six? Yeaah. Something like that? I mean, yeaah. He's dangerous. He's aggressive. He can make


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[Assistant] He can, to a degree, like, I don't think he's ever gonna, we're ever gonna come away and go, oh, James was 40 and 5 this year. Right. Like, I think even if his best year ever, it'd be like,


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[Assistant] There's no easy completions, and within that and you're being asked to stand in the pocket all the time and be aggressive and be a big soldier, you're gonna make some mistakes, uhm, and I do think you can limit them to what you're saying.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Kyler, Kyler's special. I mean, he really is.


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[Assistant] And they kinda just stayed in control of that game. And then, you know, the Browns who kinda fought back then made some mistakes. I don't have a great feel for that game.


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[Assistant] I definitely thought the Browns would win that football game. I was surprised by that. I thought the Browns would be able to move the ball on Arizona throughout the day. But, you know, it was really the opposite. Kenyon Drake and Kyler Murray just kind of shredded the Browns defense.


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[Assistant] Well, you also had the Jarvis Langie, Freddie Kitchens little argument on the sidelines. Like, it doesn't look good to me. If you made me bet money, Freddie Kitchens is done in Cleveland. Yeah. I mean...


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[Assistant] Uh, but yea, Kyla Murray, I can't believe I'm talking about two sooner quarterbacks here as a Longhorn, but they're both, they're both really good. Baker definitely didn't have the year he wanted and Kyla Murray is set up for superstardom.


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[Assistant] As a thrower, everything. Phenomenal year. That's what happens when you go to the Big 12, you get to throw, you don't have to worry about anybody passing rushing you ever, and you just, uh, 50 throws a game, doesn't worry, I'm gonna hit two or three times, and if nobody's open, I'll scramble. Yeah. Cause the Big 12, nobody can play defense, but that is amazing. Yeah. Uh, that they've had three quarterbacks in a row at the, at the dinner.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm taking the saints. I know, I took, I think the saints are favored by six and a half or seven. I was going to say I needed eight. You needed eight? I need eight. Oh, and you, you're... Minus nine. Ooh, minus nine. Yeah. I'll take the cults if you give me nine.


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[Assistant] You got the Colts in nine? I'll tell you, if you want to negotiate this, I can negotiate it. This is the game with me and my dad would do. Yeah. Cause I would go, okay, you go, I'll take, I'll take the, you know, you'll take the saints for nine. Yeah. And then what if I say, okay, well I'll take the sent saints and give you 10. You still want them? Yeah. You still want them? Yeah. Okay. So you're going to give me 10 or 10?


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[Assistant] Uh, that's it for Chris Sims on Button. Paulie, you the man. Appreciate it. Always like your football insight. I like that you challenge me too, cause you make me like double check shit sometimes.


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[Assistant] Yo yo, what's up? Come on man, subscribe on YouTube to Chris Simms Unbuttoned Podcast. I need you, please hit the subscribe button, please!


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[Assistant] Yeah, the, uh, the big narrative after 37 to 8. Start big picture here. Packers can't hang with the NFC's best apparently after this one game.


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[Assistant] Incredible. So let's get right into that part of it. That's what stood out most to me. The Packers offense against that San Francisco defense ends up 37 to 8. But there's some numbers within there that are just, I mean, you can't take a little twice. You're like 0 for 14 on third down.


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[Assistant] Aaron Rodgers on his 20 completions, got 104 yards. Pretty similar to what happened a couple weeks before against the Chargers, where the yards per attempt, yards per completion, you're like, no way. There's no way it's that low. So I was thinking about it in three different ways. And to your point, though, just so they're


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[Assistant] Rank these one to three in terms of why the Packers offense struggled so mightily. Okay, we have Green Bay's game plan number one. We have Aaron Rodgers play number two. And Green Bay's, pardon me, San Francisco's defense number three. So the offensive game plan, the quarterback, or the defense?


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[Assistant] It's producing in a special way, but like schematically is it...


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[Assistant] Also, it just, it just sounds different. Like, I watched back a couple of times our broadcast from NBC last night. And it's wonderful how you can hear in the field with every team in every play. But it just, it sounds like it's, at NFL films they have this thing where they would call it sweeten. We're gonna sweeten this to make it sound even louder, to make that hit seem even bigger. It seems like


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[Assistant] The sound at the snap when San Francisco is on defense. It's ferocious, right? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] How many coaches, and we both played the other side of the ball, but how many coaches did you hear defensively say, you gotta play every play like it's your last, or play like it's third down in three. And for this little moment in time, they found a group that can actually do that most of the time.


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[Assistant] And the DBs must be pretty good too. They don't get nearly the amount of credit, but there were a handful of times. And some of the times the game was kind of out of hand, but there were some times when Aaron had time, and there was just nobody to help him.


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[Assistant] As long as you're comparing the two, statistically, based off what you see, Patriots defense, Niners defense, you talked about the Patriots having the best secondary in football, the Niners have the best front four, which one of those two groups is more dominant, you think?


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[Assistant] And as a supplement, like you just said, the, the defensive backs for the Niners, it's not like it's a big drop off.


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[Assistant] It was a specific kind of blitz, uh, off the top of my head. I think they showed, like, maybe a couple of linebackers were gonna come. They backed off, but they brought a defensive back from the other side.


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[Assistant] A game plan specific thing that you've been talking about all year, and I think it really hits home when you're talking about a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers. Definitely. With that experience and with those smarts, it created just that.


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[Assistant] It's not even a half second. That split second hesitation. Right. And that combined with the fact that the front four is kicking your offensive line's ass anyway. Yep. And that play was over. That, that, that's it. You're exactly right.


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[Assistant] Alright, that's that side of the ball. Let's check out the other side, Niners offense, Packers D.


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[Assistant] As we move from the Packers offense to the Packers defense, how does Kittle get so open you would think the other team would key in on him, laugh out loud? Now this is obviously the long touchdown pass, beautifully designed pass in the second half. Lay it out there, why'd it work so well?


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[Assistant] And that's not only self-scouting myself, knowing that, hey, we've run this play a number of times, and they might be expecting George to break out because he always does. Right. That's a massive league tendency. I mean, from the time they started getting together in April with OTAs, I mean,


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[Assistant] I heard Chris on the broadcast last night say that George was the best tight end in the league with apologies to Travis Kelso in Kansas City. You feel the same way?


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[Assistant] You're kind of creating the, the, what I call the tight end effect for your quarterback with the play action. Right. With the in breaking routes. You like to throw to a tight end because when he's lined up inside he doesn't have the best defensive back on him. Yeaah. And when he's cutting across the middle he's closer to you. Right. You're bringing a receiver to do that same thing and you have a better pass catcher.


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[Assistant] He runs that way. Yeah, he does. He runs that way. And that, that big touchdown catch, he had Garoppolo hit him in perfect timing and in stride. Yes. Bringing me to, before we move on from this game, what'd you think of Garoppolo last night?


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[Assistant] Sure, I mean, I think he was at 70% and just kind of running through all the plays in my mind. He didn't have, and I always give a quarterback two or three of these plays, like, hey, the other team's good too, they're going to give you a couple plays where you kind of look like a jerk. He didn't have any of those, right? He didn't have any.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's get into, give me the headline with a couple of plays or a couple of different games here. NFC South, you mentioned it already. Great game, right down to the finish. Saints 34, Panthers 31. Headline, and this has nothing to do with anything you've said in the past or how you may feel. This is just, it just came up organically. Future MVP Michael Thomas comes through again.


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[Assistant] And if you're watching on YouTube, you can see this. If you're listening, I'll read it along for you. Division leaders right now in the NFC. San Francisco is a 1C. New Orleans is 2. Green Bay, still at 3. Dallas at 4. Wild cards. Seattle has the 5th right now. And Minnesota at 6. You got the Rams, Bears, Eagles, and Panthers in there just behind.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Seattle, Philadelphia. Also with Saints, Panthers, you mentioned just a little bit about that third down and six, the Michael Thomas conversion.


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[Assistant] Alright. So. We know that Michael Thomas is not double team.


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[Assistant] His initial steps would tell you, okay, my job on this play is to help cover Michael Thomas, but he's so far off of him that he's not providing any help at all. No, he's not.


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[Assistant] That could happen, right. Elsewhere in the NFC, Seahawks 17, Eagles 19, headline without clowning, Seahawks still clown wins.


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[Assistant] They're very comfortable in this spot against a decent or a good team. It's close. They're not playing that well. No panic. A lot of mental toughness. They find a way to win. They're the king of this game. They're the king of this game.


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[Assistant] Past catchers. There's nothing. Where would you rank it? Break it into fourths.


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[Assistant] And I think it's affecting, you know, things that we took for granted, maybe he took for granted in his own game, like he's not throwing it as well.


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[Assistant] NFC against AFC, really the matchup, one of the matchups yesterday.


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[Assistant] Cowboys, Patriots, and New England finds a way to win. Right. 13 to 9. And to set this one up, let's take a listen to what Jerry Jones, Cowboys owner, had to say about his coaches and how they were out coached yesterday. Yep.


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[Assistant] Alright, the, the, the emotion of a tough loss or I'm gonna send a message and I know exactly how I'm gonna do it? Yeaah. Which one do you think it was?


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[Assistant] It's tough to out New England in, in New England perfect weather.


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[Assistant] It's almost like he was, he was surprised that it wasn't whistled dead or treated like a wasted plate. It was strange.


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[Assistant] It's not like it started raining then. I mean, you either know going into a game, I'm comfortable in a glove or I'm not. Because that is a glove game.


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[Assistant] First time, first time you pounded the table here actually during the show. At this point, are you most mad at Kellen Moore or Jason Garrett for not fixing this? This is both of them. During the game.


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[Assistant] I had an issue with it yesterday. I've, I've, I don't want to say done a 180 on what Jerry said afterward, but I mean, you have pointed out, I mean, something that, I mean, as ex-quarterbacks, as soon as they come on the air, you're like, oh my God, I'm happy it's not me out there having to throw the ball today. That looks miserable. And you have the offensive lineman, you have Zeke.


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[Assistant] You bring up impassioned very good points about that game.


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[Assistant] I do not agree that the owner of the team in first place should come out and point his fingers. Coaching staff are not doing very well.


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[Assistant] I think that's one thing. Your team's in first place, you got beat by the defending champs on a perfect day for how the defending champs played. They've been winning these kind of games for 15 years, so sure, they probably should have won the game. However, you walk out of there, the best team in your division, and your message is, I'm not too sure about my coaching skills.


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[Assistant] He should have called out, then, the play calling, not the special teams. I mean, Slater made an unbelievable play. Yes, he did. Didn't really have anything to do with what the Cowboys weren't, were or were not doing on special.


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[Assistant] Fair enough, but if he was in the mood for calling out, everything he was pointing out the last 10 minutes, why not say, I'm paying that guy more than any running back in the league on this kind of day, why didn't he get the ball?


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[Assistant] Before we move on. Other, yeaah. Patriots office. Yeaah. Talk about a little bit. Right. Brady making some pretty good throws in the rain. Anything else on the New England O?


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[Assistant] You can hit the table again if you'd like. Okay. You can get mad at me again if you want to. We do have the fist right here. Let's check out the AFC playoff picture. And if you can't see it, I will read it to you. New England number one seed, Baltimore number two. Yep. Houston at three, Kansas City four.


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[Assistant] In position in the wild card, we have the Bills. We'll talk about them in a moment at 5.


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[Assistant] Eight and three Bills by the way, wow. Eight and three, right. Steelers in the sixth spot, and right there in the hunt at either six and five, Raiders, Colts, Titans, and the five and six Browns. We'll also talk about them in a moment too. Alright, Denver and Buffalo, twenty to three, the Bills win. Yeah. Headline here, Frank Gore moves up, Josh Allen grows up.


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[Assistant] Hey, I'm with ya, but I mean, I would like to jump on the other side here, but he's been really, really good for a long time and that commands a lot of respect. I think at any point in time when he was playing, would you put him in the top three or four backs in the league?


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[Assistant] At that position, if you really did good for over a decade, for well over a decade, certainly warrants the conversations that he's in.


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[Assistant] Just a few weeks ago, we were talking about, boy, love watching him play, love the talent, he's on a really good team, he's gonna be really good sometime, but just pushing the ball downfield way too often, and watch the highlights now, throwing it underneath, being smart, being patient.


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[Assistant] Right. Alright, Jets 34, Raiders 3. Ooh. Headline is, Raiders get a wake-up call. Yeah.


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[Assistant] More than a little bit of a groove. Yeah. Seven touchdowns, one pick, and they've won three games in a row.


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[Assistant] Elsewhere in the AFC. Steelers 16, Bengals 10. To me, the obvious headline is Duck Hodges. Not so much about this game, but big picture moving forward. The Steelers are 6 and 5. Top 3 bar fight team in the AFC, which is a great, great thing to have going for you. Do you think he ought to be the guy the rest of the way? 100%.


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[Assistant] I want to say he was third, just to strengthen your point.


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[Assistant] Breaking news has come out during the pod about quarterbacks in this game. You want to take a guess? They're starting Devlin Hodges? That would be the obvious way to go. It's too obvious. No news on that one yet. Other side. Other team. With the Browns? Bengals. Oh, the Bengals.


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[Assistant] Brown's 43, Dolphins 24. Somewhere within this, there's a headline. Three weeks ago, when the Browns were two and six, I said, okay.


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[Assistant] When they win three games in a row, we'll come back and talk about that. Right. Okay, they've won three games in a row. Eat that, Bo Meister! We've hit, yea, I'm sure that's a major motivation. We've hit Thanksgiving week, and the Browns have found their way back to relevance.


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[Assistant] Baker's been a lot better. Definitely. In the win streak, only one pick. There you go. Felt like for a while we were talking about. Yea, two or three.


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[Assistant] Titans 42, Jaguars 20, Tennessee has won four of the last five with Tannehill playing. Quarterback of the future, not just of the now for this season, but is this the guy?


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[Assistant] Looks like the team is playing and it's cliche to say that they like this guy better or they're playing differently for him. However, you can't deny.


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[Assistant] They're winning games, and they just felt like they were stuck prior to that.


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[Assistant] It doesn't feel like it's a fluke. I always felt like in Miami, I mean, it wasn't a very good team. He wasn't a quarterback like if he went 1-32.


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[Assistant] He wasn't in the top ten. No, right. Somewhere in that ten through eighteen. I agree, that's where he was. Get him out of that situation, put him in a new place with teammates and maybe he can jump up a little bit. Definitely. And feels like, feels like he's off to a good start.


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[Assistant] Two questions. Which one did you name? Uh, neither one. Who wins in a bar fight?


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[Assistant] Trabisky starts slow on Thursday. If, if he does. Would you bench him?


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[Assistant] It's more likely that the TV in the Sim's house gets changed to the dog show, which basically gets shown to the bench, right?


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[Assistant] Alright, Buccaneers 35, Falcons 22. Who's your favorite player for Tampa Bay? Favorite pass catcher?


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[Assistant] It might have had a little mojo going, a couple good wins.


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[Assistant] Missed it, if you're watching with us. He was taking selfies with the fans in the first row there. Uhm, while, while the game was still going on. Yeaah. So the back of the quarterback had to go in. Case Keenum.


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[Assistant] Okay, Case Kingdom had to go and take the snap and kneel, because the starting quarterback...


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[Assistant] Was taking pictures with the fans. That's unprecedented.


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[Assistant] What did you do for your first victory? Kneel down, selfies, did you remember? Uh, my first victory? Gosh.


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[Assistant] But. But. Chris Simms was injured in that game. Yep. First true victory 2005, week 10. Yeah. Tampa Bay won 36-35 a shootout against. Joe Gibbs and the Redskins. There you go. Yeah. Chris threw the game when he touched down under a minute left. Yeah. Mike Alston, former Big Ten guy. Yeah. Two point conversion run. And then Chris had one deal down.


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[Assistant] Very host-like. Happy Thanksgiving. Thank you. Happy Thanksgiving. You're getting good at this. Thanks man. You ride solo.


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[Assistant] Oh baby, we're back baby. It's Thursday, it's the PIX podcast, it's PFTPM on Chris Simms unbuttoned collaboration. What's up? Oh, and look at what we have here. We have the starting safety from the Minnesota Vikings, 1974 team. Who are you? What's your name, Mr. Vikings?


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[Assistant] I can see that. Yes, I mean, it's a very interesting combination with the collar shirt, uh, and with the jersey over it. But I did not mean to bring up a sensitive subject, certainly.


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[Assistant] Yes, I got it in one more time. Uh, okay, uh, other thing, uhm, here we go. Let's get after this, okay? First off, rate, review, the podcast, PFTPM, unbuttoned podcast, tell us how stupid we are, how smart we are, and again,


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[Assistant] We are going to continue to interact with our fans, uh, both of us. I know you're better at it than I am, really. Uh, but we have a lot of AMAs or questions in the, in the bank that we need to address. Let's get to last week. Florio, you were nine and five straight up. Way to go. Whoopty freaking do. I was eight and six straight up.


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[Assistant] Uh, embarrassing that I lost to you. You were six and eight against the spread.


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[Assistant] Me and Mikey won New England because we went with Tommy on Thursday night, which was an ugly cover. We were both nervous there. I know that then.


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[Assistant] I won my other, I won 3-0. I took the Saints over the Jaguars. I took Houston straight up over the Chiefs.


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[Assistant] And then you lost. That was gutsy. That was gutsy. And I got a little help from the referees on that one too. Uh, and then the Dallas Cowboys, the Tennessee Titans, you took both of them as your best bets. Uh, and of course they lost actually both of those teams really laid an egg and let you down there. Uh, cause I thought those games would be a lot different as well. Okay. So, uh,


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[Assistant] I'm done messing around with the Titans. Okay, you're done with that formula. I do think their offense will be better with Ryan Tenhill. On the season, you still got the lead on me. You're 51-40-1 straight up. I'm 49-42-1 straight up. Against the spread, I am...


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[Assistant] And our best bets, I have a one game lead on you. And that's the only one I really care about because I am a man of the people and I want them to make money off of my knowledge. So they have made more money off you. I don't know if I really believe any of these numbers because I'm not sure if Pete D in the back and really add anyways. So.


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[Assistant] Okay, Chef D, let's go. Here we go. You ready for this? Let's do it. Thursday Night Football. Let's do it. We got a good one. Uh, I think we're both like a little bit not sure where the hell this is gonna go. We talked about this a lot on PFT today. The Chiefs are at the Broncos. Chiefs are favored by three over under 48 and a half. Uhm, go ahead, Mike, lead us off.


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[Assistant] There's, there's a lot of logic to all of that. I agree with a lot of your logic there. Uhm, I, I guess the, the, my big thing is how you're going really, and I'll make it this base. I mean, I, I'm scared about, yes, the Broncos chewing up the clock, running the ball on the Chiefs, keeping my homes and company on the sidelines, all of that. The Broncos D is very good.


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[Assistant] Uh, it's one of the best in football. They know how to play pass defense. Their pass rush has been a little underwhelming, uh, as far as what we expected this year.


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[Assistant] Uh, we'll be a loud crowd. We know that tonight. Broncos, Denver, it is a tough place to play. It's one of the loudest stadiums I was ever in, certainly in the NFL. I'm, my, your, since you're just giving them the win because they're at home and it's that close, I'm doing the same thing.


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[Assistant] But I'm just going with the guy that can make magic, and that's Patrick Mahomes. And I really...


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[Assistant] I almost, you know, this is gonna be Strugglesville. I fully expect it to be. Will the Chiefs change their defensive game plan? You know, we've talked about it a lot. I just, for the people who only listen to podcasts, I think the Chiefs should become a blitzing team.


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[Assistant] Cause havoc, uhm, turn, get turnovers, or let them score 60 yard touchdowns, but either way, you got your best players back on the field, and you're playing through your offense. I am gonna be interested in that element, but I'm gonna go-


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[Assistant] Yep. All right. I got 21 20 chief. So we're, we're very similar. I'm just going with my homes. You're going with the Broncos being at home. I think it's as simple as that. It's going to be a coin flip type of football game. And I'm with you on your chief's thought too about the defense. I think if we see a change in the defense, it will come next week.


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[Assistant] When they have this extra time after a Thursday game to start to tinker with things. So, okay, either way, we're in store for a good game tonight. I do think that and that's awesome for a Thursday night.


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[Assistant] You know me, I don't I don't do that. I don't I didn't look at the spreads until I sat down here today, and I've the last two weeks. I've kind of changed how I picked my games. Anyways, I used to like


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[Assistant] Then trying to get to football technically, uh, so, uh, that's why I'm going to that. And I had no idea the spread until I saw just a few minutes ago. All right, one o'clock. We got a good one. We're pumped to see this one because of the new addition to the Los Angeles Rams and Jalen Ramsey Rams on the road.


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[Assistant] Favored by three at the Falcons over under at 54 and a half. I know we both want to get our popcorn ready as we're sitting there watching Jalen Ramsey cover Julio Jones or Calvin Ridley, whoever it may be, but we want to see how Jalen Ramsey fits in that new Los Angeles Rams look on defense. Uh, how do you see it playing out, Michael?


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[Assistant] Okay, well that sounds like that's gonna be one of Mike's best bets. Uhm, so...


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[Assistant] I'm with you first off on the Jalen Ramsey thought. I don't think we're going to see the full like this is what we're going to do with Jalen Ramsey, but just a few days of being ready hasn't played in three weeks. I think it would be too much to ask of him.


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[Assistant] Right away to just go, Oh, cover Julio Jones or Calvin Ridley all over the field, and we'll do other creative stuff. No, I think this is something where Wade Phillips will tinker.


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[Assistant] Uh, with his defense and his formula as he gets a feel for Jalen Ramsey and, you know, the strength and weaknesses to his game. There's not many weaknesses in general. Uh, the, the Falcons defense stinks. I mean, it is arguably one of the best, the worst in football. You could put it in that discussion. Um, so I do full expect the Rams.


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[Assistant] To be able to move the ball on them. Now, the Rams, the one matchup I'll say on that side of the ball that scares me is the Rams interior defensive line versus guys like Grady Jared. I mean, Grady Jared, he has the capabilities of being a little bit of a game wrecker in these type of games, and that scares me a little bit. Now, the other side of the ball, when you get into Rams defense, Falcons offense, yeah, you know, the Rams past defense has shown


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[Assistant] That you can throw on it at times with a certain creativity and offense like the Buccaneers have.


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[Assistant] And a formula to where you're going to get big and run the ball at times. That's what like the Seahawks and the Bucks did to the Rams. They got in some 12 personnel, two tight end sets, some three tight end sets, some one tight end, two back sets.


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[Assistant] And I think that fooled or made life hard on the Rams. The Falcons are not one of those teams.


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[Assistant] They don't do that, nor do I look at the Falcons and go, ooh, wow, what creativity of this offense. No, it's more about, it's just, you know, it's a solid offense, but Matt Ryan's good, Julio's good, Ridley's good, Sanu's good, the tight end's pretty good, but they don't run the ball. And I do worry about that, that Falcons offensive line against this group.


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[Assistant] I'm, I'm very close to you again. This is we're working together too much. I mean, it's a little scary. I'm going Rams 34.


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[Assistant] I see them covering this game very easily and really would be shocked if they didn't win by a touchdown or more, especially after three straight losses and you know they're going to be pissed off.


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[Assistant] With you. Agreed all the way. Alright, Dolphins-Bills. One o'clock game up in Buffalo. Bills coming off the bye week. Dolphins almost had their first win of the year last week, but then they were the Dolphins on their two point play and that was a debacle. So uhm,


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[Assistant] Bill's favored by 16 and a half, which I was, I was, I mean, I know that's the Dolphins, but that was a big number. I was not expecting to see that. Over, under.


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[Assistant] And we know Buffalo's defense is real, and they're gonna, they're gonna crap all over the Dolphins. I really fully expect that. Uh, now the Bills offense, yeaah, there's question marks there still. They've been inconsistent. Josh Allen's been like,


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[Assistant] You know, Brian Dayball's a New England guy, Brian Flores and company. Of course, they know that offense very well.


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[Assistant] I think they're gonna know some of the tricks and the trades and the reads and things they like to do against certain coverages to where it could make Buffalo's offense look a little sloppy at times. You got to take that aspect into account. But I like you. I see it bills 23 to 10 and yeah, like a dominant 23 to 10.


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[Assistant] They might be up like 20 to, you know, 20 to 3 or 23 to 3 and the Dolphins score a late touchdown to make it look like it was somewhat respectable. But I just can't take the bills on the spread there. There's no way. Uh, but we see it pretty similar there overall. Any other thoughts you want to go with there before we move on?


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[Assistant] Okay, yep. Keep us up to date on if you think there's any injury update, uh, that is deemed worthy of, of talking about on this podcast, okay? I have not...


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[Assistant] Yes, hm, yep, uh, I know, the guy that writes that, he's, uh, kind of a snarky, paste, copy, paste kind of asshole. I don't really know of that website. I didn't, I don't pay attention to it. Here we go. It's the nicest thing you've ever said about me. Jaguars, bangles, the jaguars don't have Jalen Ramsey anymore. They had to answer those questions. Are you do-


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[Assistant] It's the battle of the cat. Is that something you got from Phil? Does Phil say bangles? Yeah, I mean, Phil, who grew up right close to Cincinnati, when I was growing up, used to tell me it's not Cincinnati, it's Cincinnati.


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[Assistant] Uhm, who do you think wins in a fight? A Jaguar or a Bangle? I'm not even gonna answer that.


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[Assistant] It's a UFC fight. A mascot battle. I do always like that. Okay, uhm, so the Jaguars are favored by three and a half. They're on the road in Cincinnati. Cincinnati has not won a game yet. They stink. And the over-under is 44 and a half. Uhm, lead us off, kid.


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[Assistant] Would you, if you were the bangles, would you start selling off players? Would you trade AJ Green if you were the bangles right now? Absolutely, absolutely.


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[Assistant] Anybody else you think they might trade? Mr. uh, gut feeling guy over there? Cause your guts kinda good.


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[Assistant] Because I think they're in that mode where you can get them. I think you're right too. And if I'm them, I would be in that mode too. Yeah, make us a great offer and we'll start the fire sale. Uh, and you know, AJ Green to the New England Patriots does seem like


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[Assistant] I don't know why, I just feel like it's gonna happen. I wish it would go, I wish he would go to Green Bay, but then I think about Green Bay and I go, damn, do they have any first round picks left in the century?


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[Assistant] Cause I feel like they've traded away so many and they traded more away this year to get Darnell Savage, right? Or maybe I'm wrong. I can't remember what the hell. I don't feel like they have a lot of first round picks coming up in the next few years either way.


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[Assistant] Ball so it doesn't matter and they're not going to be able to take advantage of it. I'm going Jaguars 24 17.


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[Assistant] Who wins in a fight? A viking or a lion? Do you know? What do you think? What do you think happens there? I don't know. Uhm, either way. Yeah, no, that's not fair. He's a human. That's not fair. A viking's obviously gonna have a sword or something. I mean, yeah, so that's not fair.


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[Assistant] Okay, if the Vikings win this week, will you wear a Kirk Cousins jersey on the show next week or on this podcast?


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[Assistant] Yes, I will. Okay. There we got it. We got it on tape and let's go Vikings. Alright.


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[Assistant] Awesome. Guaranteed. I love it. I love you. Love you. Love you. Okay, so you tell me. Tell me about the Vikings and the Lions. What's gonna happen?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it is an interesting game. There's a lot of interesting things in the matchup in general. Alright, first off, if the Vikings win, you're gonna wear a Vikings Kirk Cousins jersey, too. No, like...


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't know what you used to root like, okay, but you still root. It was bad. You still root. No, but not like it was bad. It used to be bad. Let me just show, let me peel the curtain back as you say. When my, when the games are on on Sunday,


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[Assistant] The Vikings offense, yeah, we know they want to run the ball. Their passing offense has been better, more aggressive. I've seen more screens. They're getting, they're building their inventory of play action passes where I see more and more out of that. Now it's not like, uh, I'm going, oh my gosh, this is the most amazing stuff I've ever seen.


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[Assistant] So I do worry about Patricia maybe be able to break them down a little bit and find tendencies and being able to play the right coverages and the right man-to-man, uh, you know, coverages in the certain situations. I do worry about that aspect. Now on the other side of the ball, I don't know what to make of the Lions offense. That's what I'm really not sure about.


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[Assistant] You know, the other night, yeaah, they came out hot, made a lot of big plays, they did just come off a bye week, and I think they had a lot of like, few plays in their game plan.


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[Assistant] Creative enough passing the ball a little bit like Minnesota to where they can get it done. I do think Minnesota has a better defense and I think ultimately this is what I'm going to go with. I think the lions run defense scares me. It has not been very good. It's not as good as I thought it was going to be. I'll say that much.


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[Assistant] You know, I'm not even sure where they're ranked, but let me just pull this up because I'm actually... So, they're letting up.


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[Assistant] 133 yards a game on the ground right now. They are 27th in football. That's scary to me. Okay, and because of that, I'm gonna go Vikings, the opposite of your score. I'm going 24-20 Vikings, and let's get the Kirk Cousins jersey out, baby! Woo woo woo woo! Let's go Kirk, let's do it baby! Okay, you ready to move to the next one? This is another fun one.


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[Assistant] Okay, good. I'm glad you feel comfortable. I will feel comfortable on the Thursday podcast next week watching you in the Kirk Cousins jersey. Raiders, Packers, Gruden.


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[Assistant] The Gruden Grinders, they're coming off a bye week. They went to London and won a football game against the Bears. Now you get to go to Green Bay and play, oh Aaron Rodgers, you better watch out cause he's on


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[Assistant] Okay, you better watch out because he's getting his mojo right now and that offense is getting its mojo. Uhm, raiders are the, uh, or packers are favored by five and a half.


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[Assistant] And the over under is at 46 and a half. Mike, uhm, go ahead man. What do you, what do you, what do you think's gonna happen here?


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[Assistant] Yeah, they should never, never change their uniforms, these two teams. Uh, I-I'm with you there.


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[Assistant] Uh, they're, they're classics. These are two of the best uniforms in all of football and I don't want to see a third option really. Really the third option was great what we just saw with Green Bay the other night. They wore all white. That's not a part of their uniform. I thought that looked great. That's about as much variance as I want to see. You don't mess with the Packers emblem and that helmet or the Raiders emblem.


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[Assistant] And that helmet, they are too freaking amazing. I'm with you there all the way. Okay, I'm also with you in a lot of your thoughts of the game. The game is scary, uh, and I worry about Green Bay's injuries, certainly.


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[Assistant] I do. This Raiders team is tough. Their physical Gruden's calling plays on the offensive side of the ball, uh, playing to the strengths. Like you said, their run game, Josh Jacobs, it's effective passing game, very efficient.


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[Assistant] It's a manufactured shot or two every game off a play action with John, the psycho, psycho scientist, Gruden coming up with a few ways to do that every week. I like that aspect of it.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the Packers offense, though, is finding its way, and I do think Lazard is gonna be a difference maker for this team. I do. Remember, he's the guy I threw the ball to on the field, uh, when we were on the field in Chicago, Green Bay. That was him who, who asked me to throw him the ball, and then I threw it to him, and he's like, oh, you still got it. He made me feel good, even though I didn't throw that great of a ball.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I do get scared. I'm not sure what to make of the Packers run defense yet. They have moments like, like last week where I thought, man, the Lions, they're a decent running team. It's Karrion Johnson. They might be in trouble. And man, the Packers stuffed the crap out of that run. You know, uh, they're kind of up and down and all over the place with the run game.


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[Assistant] Ultimately, it's Aaron Rodgers at home against the defense in Oakland, where yes, they play hard and they're pretty well coached, but they're not overly talented.


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[Assistant] They can't really get after the quarterback and that always scares me against Aaron Rodgers because just like you talked about with like the Mahomes factor, see what happened in the Raiders Chiefs game.


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[Assistant] Is my home's got outside the pocket a bunch in the second quarter, and that's why they exploded onto the scene with those 28 points. I worry about Rogers being able to take this game over. These are the type of defenses where even if they're not fully healthy,


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[Assistant] He can take it over and I think they have enough of a run game right now to where it doesn't have to be like he has to throw it 45 times to take it over either. I think it's going to be very close, but I think the Packers will score a late touchdown to win the game and I'm going to go 27-20 Packers.


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[Assistant] At least give him something. Well, I really think it'll be like a 2020 game. I do. I think it's gonna be like 2020 and the Packers gonna get the ball back with like three minutes left and we're gonna see what we always see. When 12 has the ball in his hands late, he's gonna drive down and


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[Assistant] He's gonna throw a touchdown. I just don't want them to run that stupid freaking play that they ran on Thursday night.


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[Assistant] The Russell Wilson interception play to the Super Bowl against the Patriots. Well, what happened? Oh, well, the Packers did it against the Eagles on that Thursday night game, and it becomes too tight, too traffic-y down there. And if bodies collide, the ball pops in the air and interceptions happen. That was a stupid play call, but either way,


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[Assistant] I do think it's going to be close and I'm taking, uh, the Packers and Aaron Rodgers because I think they're hot and they have found their mojo.


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[Assistant] Okay, we got an awesome on D Sean Watson. He's so awesome is going to the


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[Assistant] Oh, yeah, did you get your score for the last game? What was it?


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[Assistant] All right, good. We got that on record. All right. So now Deshaun Watson, yourself awesome, is going to the Indianapolis Colts who come off the bye week and of course they beat the Chiefs before their bye week.


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[Assistant] Texans seem like they got it rolling a little bit themselves. Defense played good last week. Running played, running game was good. Uh, once again, Colts are favored by one over under 47. This is a tough one. This is a good game. I don't know. I had a hard time picking this one. Um, what do you got?


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[Assistant] Yeah, this, this game made me stall for a little bit because I, I was trying to kind of envision how I see it play out the matchups and things like that. The Texans, of course, I mean, both these teams are quality.


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[Assistant] Frank Wright coming off of bye week. I mean, Frank is, he's showing that he is, I mean, he's pretty damn good as far as an offensive mind, uh, whether it's creative plays, knowing when to be patient, play smash mouth football. I mean, he really can do it all. I mean, he is truly becoming one of the better offensive minds in all of football. Uhm, alright, there's a few things.


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[Assistant] The Texans, the Texans offense, I do think has it going a little bit. I do. I think they have kind of found their mojo with Will Fuller being healthy and everything like that. It just gives them another dimension. You just can't put all your eggs in and we're going to stop the DeAndre Hopkins, you know, basket anymore in the pass game. And you know, last week,


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[Assistant] If my memory serves me correct, Will Fuller dropped three touchdown passes. And I think Deandre Hopkins dropped one as well. Uh, I, I, the Colts defense is good. I do think you can run the ball on them a little bit.


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[Assistant] Uh, and I don't look at the Texans offense as being like, whoa, this is an unbelievable, you know, scheme and they do so many creative things. No, they kind of just run the ball.


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[Assistant] And their passing contests are not like reinventing the wheel, but Watson's awesome, Hopkins is awesome, Fuller is awesome. And that's why they kind of get it done. But I think because the Colts run defense is not great, they're going to have to worry about helping their run defense out a little bit too much. So that worries me from the Colts perspective. On the other side of the ball, the Texans, their run defense is very good.


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[Assistant] But this, this Colts running offense is real, and I think we're going to see a healthy Marlin Mack too, which will make a difference. So I also think the Texans are going to have to put some people into the, wow, we got to stop the Colts running game as well, which will lead to some big plays for the Colts in the passing game too. I worry about that Texans past defense. It's just not always buttoned up as much as I would like it to be. But ultimately,


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[Assistant] If this was Andrew Luck, I'm going with the cults. But it's not. I'm going with the Sean Watson. I'm going 30-


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[Assistant] No, when you know me, I'm not. I'm always against that. I really am against that. I think really it's more about the Texans have some semblance of a run game right now, and I think that's going to put the Colts in a little bit of a bind, and I don't think the Colts secondary is all that.


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[Assistant] I don't, not on the corner, not at the corner position. So I think that Watson and company will be able to take advantage of it. I think like


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[Assistant] I think it's going to be like Colts up 27-23 with three minutes left in the game. Sean Watts is going to drive them down, score a touchdown. They're going to win the game. That's just kind of how I see it going. There's a total coin flip game for me. I could certainly see it going the way you said it too, but I'm going 30-27 Texas. Are you ready for the next one?


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[Assistant] Yeah, two more at one o'clock Eastern on Sunday and neither of them requires much of our attention. No, it does not. I kind of want to see the second one we'll talk about here in a second, but we do got the rookie quarterback showdown right now and this one.


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[Assistant] Northeastern, you know, middle of fall, uh, winter type conditions, anything element wise, really in his whole life, because he's been down in Oklahoma in that area and they just never have had to deal with it. And of course this year it's, it's been too early in the season and they're playing in Arizona. The worst, I think, road game they've had to play in is Cincinnati. And of course that wasn't a bad day either. So,


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[Assistant] Cardinals at Giants, Giants favored by three, over and under 50.5. Uhm, what say you, Florio? 69 degrees is the high temperature in New York.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they do. Uh, the Cardinals defense not good. You're right. I think Saquon Barkley being back is huge. I mean, that's huge. It's gonna be great for Daniel Jones that way. Uh, the Giants do have extra time because it was the Thursday game last week.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I'm going to the Giants as well. I'm going 27 to 23 Giants win. I will say this though. This is what scares me a little bit. The Giants defense stinks just like the Cardinals.


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[Assistant] Just like I talked about with the Raiders trying to stop Aaron Rodgers and keep him in the pocket and do those things. I do worry about that with the Giants a little bit. They're very big up front, but they're not real fast and athletic.


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[Assistant] 49ers favored by nine and a half in Washington, over and under 41 and a half, and it is that dreaded one o'clock game for the Western time zone team, but I don't think it's really gonna freaking matter in this one.


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[Assistant] I, uh, I hear you, like your point about them maybe falling asleep a little bit and letting them hang around, but you're right. I think the Shanahan motivation.


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[Assistant] Thank you, Dan Snyder. There's another touchdown on the board, and I do think that will be a motivation, uh, tactic. I think the team will know it a little bit just from what he said in the press conference yesterday. They're going to be aware now that this game is a little bit more important to their head coach. And Kyle, from everything we've seen to this point, the players and


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[Assistant] The people that play for him like playing for him, and I wouldn't be surprised if Kyle brought it up in a team meeting this week about how he didn't like his time there, and he wants to put it to them. So I get all that. My only thing to where I go


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[Assistant] I-I was like you, I was surprised it wasn't bigger than nine and a half. Not like I thought it was supposed to be eighteen. I don't know if I thought it that aggressively. But I did think I was gonna see like- At least fourteen. I thought I was gonna see like twelve, thirteen, fourteen, something in that range.


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[Assistant] The only thing I just say where it can make the game semi ugly for a little bit, okay, would be the Washington D line is pretty damn good.


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[Assistant] And you know, the Redskins are a little beat up, especially at the two tackle positions. So I do worry about maybe early on them hanging around that kind of thing, right? Where maybe the 49ers just have to find their way a little bit early. But ultimately, yes, I do not see Washington being able to move the ball on the 49ers defense very well.


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[Assistant] I'm going 49ers 31 to 14. Uh, and yes, they are covering the spread of mine. What was your score? I had 31 14. What was yours? 34 13. I got 34 13. Okay. So we're very close there too. You just gave the 49ers an extra field goal. All right. That's it for the one o'clock games. I got a read to do. All right.


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[Assistant] Okay, well, if you want, if you, that's the first time I've said it, I've really tried hard not to say it, so whoever emailed that to you, I have owned, that was like maybe the second time I've said okay, and now I've said it three times because I referenced it, but if you want NFL insight from a man


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[Assistant] Who once got into a Twitter war with Jackson Deville?


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[Assistant] Then PFTPM Podcast is your kind of podcast. Now he said you weren't really worth getting into a Twitter battle because he had to go to the litter box and eat some cat food.


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[Assistant] So that's really what he thinks of you there. Look at him. I think he could beat you in a race too, even with those huge ugly shoes.


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[Assistant] But either way, Mike, I do like you, you know that, and your PFT PPM podcast is good, you dive into everything in the NFL, you always do a great job of interacting with your fans, and uh, your, it pains me to say all this, but you're kind of smart, and you think of a lot of different angles, and,


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[Assistant] Because of your mother who raised you so properly and gave you so much good spaghetti and meatballs as a kid, your gut is pretty good too. I'm always impressed with your gut.


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[Assistant] You really, uh, you're good at, good at it. I mean, you know, you don't know shit, but somehow your gut gets it right. I don't know how you do it.


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[Assistant] You know when I, you know when I didn't like you the most? When I really didn't like you? There was a giant Eagles game on a Thursday night one year.


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[Assistant] Eli Manning was wearing the old Giants uniforms and he played like Phil Simms or something like that. You took some shot at my dad and I still owe you a punch in the chest for that one, okay? You snarky bastard, you. Alright. You hold a grudge longer than I do. I don't know about that.


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[Assistant] I think it was 2017. It might have been 2017. Yea, I think so. Uh, but either way, who cares? Let's just move on. I like you now. Oh, here we go. Here we go.


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[Assistant] And you're funny about Adrian Peterson. He does shake hands really hard. He does. Uh, I've met a- I've never heard that one before. No, what you just said is Adrian Peterson, his handshake?


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[Assistant] Oh, I didn't, I didn't realize everybody knew that. I, I couldn't get over how hard he shook my hand the first time. I was like, is he trying to break my hand? Uhm, okay, 4 p.m. games, Chargers at Titans, uh, Titans, favored by two, over and under 40, Ryan Tannehill starting at quarterback, uh, shake, give me the shake down here.


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[Assistant] I'm with you there. I think you're right. I think there's a good chance we see Philip Rivers as the quarterback of the Titans next year in a lot of ways. Uh, okay. Damn it, I said it. Chargers-Titans, uhm,


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[Assistant] I guess this is, yeaah, I'm worried about both offenses in this game. Yeaah, neither offense is very good. I do worry about the Chargers offense and the fact that they, their offensive line is an issue.


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[Assistant] I mean, they just, they can't run the ball. They can't pass protect the ball that well, uh, pass protect that well. Uh, the Titans defense is still a pain in the butt.


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[Assistant] And to flip it around, it's not like the Charger's defense is horrible.


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[Assistant] But I worry about the Charger's ability to stop the run. More than I do the Titan's ability to stop the Charger's run.


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[Assistant] And, uh, I think Ryan Tannehill's gonna give this team a boost. He didn't do a bad job last week against the Denver Broncos. I know he threw an interception, but I, I do think he's a better quarterback than Marcus Mariota. And I think it'll give them a little more confidence to be a little more aggressive in the pass game in general.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna go with the Titans here, at home. And I wouldn't bet on this game, ever, to anybody out there.


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[Assistant] But I just don't have enough faith. I think first off, the Titans secondary can shut down this Chargers passing game.


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[Assistant] I think they're going to be able to pressure rivers. I think they'll be able to slow down the run and on the other side of the ball.


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[Assistant] You know, the Chargers are one of those teams that plays that Seattle defense, the Atlanta Falcons defense. So many defenses play it, and it can be easy to game plan for sometimes, especially when you're not healthy, like the Chargers defense is not, and they lack big people, and that scares me. I'm gonna go with the Titans winning this one. 1917 on the road, and that's a push.


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[Assistant] Uh, for all those out there. No, they're at home. The Titans are at home. I said, didn't I say that? I thought I said that. Uhm, but I'm going- You said the Titans winning on the road. Oh, okay, but Titans winning on, on, in home, at home, 19 to 17. You know what the hell I'm saying. There we go. Alright, let's move on. Well, now I know what you're saying.


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[Assistant] You think it's like a late chargers touchdown or like they're kind of in control and it's like they win that way?


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[Assistant] No, I-I-I get you. I got both of those games wrong as well. Uhm, alright. Saints, Bears.


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[Assistant] So New Orleans going to Chicago. Bears coming off the bye week. A lot of questions about the Bears. Trubisky, is he gonna play? The offense, what the hell is it? The Bears are favored by three and a half, which I was surprised to see.


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[Assistant] Over under a 38 and a half. Uhm, this is an interesting one. 425 game in Chicago. I do wonder what the weather will be like in Chicago. If anybody wants to look that up in the meantime. I think that would be interesting. Uh, but Mike, what do you think?


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[Assistant] So, I think this is going to be a defensive struggle. I fully expect it to be that type of football game. I mean, the Bears defense at this point needs to realize that


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[Assistant] You know, our offense scoring 20 points is a coin toss.


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[Assistant] Uh, we're not sure we're capable. So I think again, they're going to be a little disappointed in the fact that they let the Raiders move the ball the way they did last, uh, week before their buy. I mean, two weeks ago in London, um, it's still Akim Hicks. I know he's not playing. That's that stinks for the Bears, but their front seven still very good.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the, the Saints on the offense versus that Bears defense, you know, the Saints are...


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[Assistant] This is the best offense the Bears have played to this point. And, you know, to-


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[Assistant] So what John Gruden did to the Bears with that run game, you know, I worry about the Saints being able to do that too. Now I know Alvin Kamara is, uh, not playing in the game or he's banged up. We don't know if he's not playing banged up. Yes, we'll see at the ankle issue. Uh, but I think this is yes.


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[Assistant] This is one of the best defenses, other than maybe Dallas that New Orleans has played, but New Orleans is.


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[Assistant] Balance. And they have proven to me they can win a number of different ways.


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[Assistant] And for the Bears, you know, I just want to double check. I'm pretty sure this is the best defense they've played all year long, too. I've been really impressed, as you know, with the Saints defense and the way it has looked as of late. Uh, and Dennis Allen has made some proper adjustments to the way they plays coverage on the back end. I like that aspect of them.


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[Assistant] I'm going with the Saints to win a close one, Mike. I'm going to go Saints 20 to 17. I got to see it from the Bears first to believe it. I don't believe in their offense. You know, I do believe in their defense, but I'm not sure I believe it against the great offenses in football. And not that I think the Saints is great.


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[Assistant] But it's really, really damn good and it has everything and it has a great play caller and a guy that's tough and instills toughness in his football team. And that's why I'm going Saints on the road.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's, uh, I mean, I'm with you there. I mean, they're still better with Drew Brees. Uh, I don't, I don't deny that. I don't know how much better.


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[Assistant] But I'm going to say they are better. I know that. You know, I don't look at some of the games that we've seen and just go, oh, Drew Brees would have put up 400 yards if he was playing in there either. You know, the Saints are a different team right now. They're not about like being like this high flying, we're going to throw the ball over the place. They're playing kind of defense run game.


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[Assistant] And the thing that worries me, you know, you, you made a lot of great points, is the Kamara factor. Because if Kamara can't play, he's such a huge part of their pass offense, especially, and keeping defenses on us that way, and that would scare me. But, yeaah, so you said what, Bears what? What is the score you got?


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[Assistant] I've got the Chicago Bears winning 23 to 17.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm going 2017 Saints, but either way, I think this is one of the games of the day. I will be interested to see. You talked about the Bears off the bye week last year. They lost to the Dolphins off of the bye week.


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[Assistant] It was kind of a fluky game. I remember it very well. The Bears really dominated the game and made some big mistakes. Turned the ball over on the one yard line. They had control of the game throughout. You're just going to have to believe me. It was like two screen passes, if I can remember correctly, that really won the game for the Dolphins where they broke long, long touchdown runs after the screen.


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[Assistant] No, they were 12 and 4 last year and lost to the Giants and the Dolphins last year. That's what's crazy about the Bears from last year. Okay. Now...


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[Assistant] I mean, this is, I'm, I'm pumped for this one. I mean, you talk about another game at 425, hard-hitting, physical, run, defense, exciting quarterbacks. This probably is the game of the day. Would you say this is the game of the day? I think it is for me. Um, Ravens at Sea. It's the game of the afternoon. It's not the game of the day.


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[Assistant] Yes, it is. You're right. Game of the Afternoon. 49, uh, excuse me. Ravens at Seahawks.


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[Assistant] Seahawks are rolling. We know that. Ravens are good. Not sure how good they are. I still think I'm kind of waffling on that. They have things I like. They have things I dislike. Seahawks are favored by three and a half at home over and under 49. Uh, Earl Thomas is coming back home. What do you got, man?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I worry about it too. It's amazing. I mean, he never flinches. I mean, he never gets up slow. I mean, he is just, he is some exciting runner. He really is. I mean, he is exciting, not only just for a quarterback running.


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[Assistant] I mean there's, he's, he would be an elite running back in space with the way he runs and makes moves. He's got the quickest feet in football. When I watch on film,


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[Assistant] This is a fascinating game. I mean, these are two teams that are just predicated on, we're the bullies on the field. We're going to kick your ass. No, we're going to kick your ass. I mean, that's what I really am intrigued by them in matchup. You know, you're right about.


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[Assistant] Uh, this is what I want to ask you. I mean, you're right about the Seahawks. They've seen athletic quarterbacks and Russell Wilson. Come on. They were one of the guys and teams, even when Colin Kaepernick was doing his thing with the 49ers. So they have some


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[Assistant] You know, this is Greg Roman, who's coaching the Baltimore Ravens, right? On the offensive side, they know what he's about a little bit. Now, is it a little different from the Colin Kaepernick days? Yes. Have they added more to what they do? Yes. Okay. But I still think that the Seahawks defense will be ready for some of that stuff.


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[Assistant] I think really, it's gonna be, can the Ravens throw the ball effectively on the Seahawks defense and take advantage of them from that aspect? Do we know where Hollywood Brown status is for the game? Because I think that is a big, that's a big difference maker for me in a lot of ways for the Ravens offense.


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[Assistant] The Ravens offense want to run it, they want to run it, they're semi-aggressive in the pass game, but there's really nobody to be scared of deep down the field when they don't have Hollywood Brown. Hollywood Brown will scare a defense a little bit and change how they think about matching up with him. So I don't know where that, that's at right now. Uhm. Let me see here.


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[Assistant] That's a little scary. Uhm, you know, so, so that, okay, if I had to flip it around the other side, you know, yeah, the Seahawks want to run the ball. You know, the Ravens and the Seahawks are both good run defenses. You know, they're old school. They're going, we're going to stop the run first.


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[Assistant] But the Ravens, I mean, I really think this game is going to come down to, I'm just going to make it simple of which one of these quarterbacks and which one of these offenses can throw the ball the best.


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[Assistant] Because I think you're both gonna have opportunities there. Now the Ravens secondary is better than the Seattle Seahawks secondary. There's no doubt about that. Uhm, but the other aspect of this is


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[Assistant] The Baltimore Ravens, like you've heard me talk about with a few other games today, they're slow up front.


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[Assistant] And that worries me against a guy like Russell Wilson. When you're slow, he's gonna be able to buy time, he's gonna be able to extend plays, he'll be able to scramble. On the other side, the Seahawks are not slow up front.


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[Assistant] And if, if Lamar Jackson does drop back to pass, yeah, he's going to make his share of plays. I mean, he's Lamar Jackson, but there's still tremendous team speed on the front seven of the Seattle Seahawks.


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[Assistant] That's kind of where I give the advantage. Russell Wilson's ability to escape. I think he's got a little more talented receivers and the pass rush of the Ravens just isn't as good as the Seahawks and not as athletic. And I'm going to go with the Seahawks at home 23 to 20 to win this football game.


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[Assistant] You're right, so I guess I'm taking the Seahawks to win, but I'm picking the Ravens to cover the spread there, so, uh, that's, that's-


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm with you. I got questions about the Ravens team too. I'm just not sold on it. The defense is not as dominant as we've seen in years past.


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[Assistant] I love what Lamar Jackson's doing. Man, he's becoming more and more comfortable as a pass or two of Mike. I mean, if they continue to win, he is in the MVP conversation. He is that good, you know, and to your point too.


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[Assistant] You know, the Seahawks have, they've played, you know, a little bit of the tougher schedule. They did beat the Browns on the road. You know, they did beat the Rams at home. And I don't care. You know, a lot of people are going to go, oh, they barely won these games. That's what the Seahawks do. I mean, even when they were kicking ass and the best team in football, you'd watch a game of the Seahawks and go, man, they're kicking the shit out of this team.


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[Assistant] It's 17 to 14? You know, that's kind of the way they play. So it's never going to be like, oh, blow out sexy. We beat this team by 30 points. All right, let's get to the Sunday night showdown. First off, I got another read. The Road World football podcast.


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[Assistant] Essential, I mean, essential listening for all fantasy players. Friend of the podcast, Josh Norris, he's my buddy, he's my pal. Okay, this is my buddy, this is my pal. Uhm, friend of the podcast, Josh Norris and the Road to World crew, which are all good guys, really insightful, smart, no football. Uh, Wednesdays, they do a start sit show.


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[Assistant] Tune in, watch it. I'm telling you, they'll steer you in the right directions. Thursday they preview every game of the week. Download, subscribe.


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[Assistant] Do it because I said so and these guys know their shit. I'm just telling you, I wouldn't say they know their shit unless I really believed it. I was around them enough, uh, before the season and even now here in the NBC office to know they love football. They really pay attention to a lot of the details and they can steer you in the right direction as far as fantasy football is concerned.


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[Assistant] Now, Sunday Night Football, me and you and Tony and Rodney and a bunch of other idiots that work for NBC, Mike Turrico as well, who's not one of those idiots, we will be hanging out and getting everybody ready for that game on, on, uh, Sunday Night Football, Football Night in America,


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[Assistant] It's Eagles at Cowboys. It's a big, big freakin' game. Cowboys favored by three, over and under at 48 and a half. Whoo, this is a tough one here. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] Okay, I got you there. Cameron, I said okay again. Uhm, alright, so. Okay. Uh, Deshaun Jackson, any, what's the latest there? Somebody tell me that. But, I'll talk- Deshaun, I'll tell you right now, I don't think you-


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[Assistant] It's a groin tear. Yeah, that's not good news. And they need him.


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[Assistant] Yep. Okay. All right. So this is where I'd go with this one. They're both teams that are like the ultimate backs against the wall type of team. Uhm, I, I, I really, I expect this to be a really exciting game. I think it's going to be 31 to 28.


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[Assistant] Uh, now I do want to see the status of the tackles, uh, for Dallas. That would be nice to know as well. And we'll see where that all goes and plays out. I mean, I would imagine they're going to be close to playing and probably be those game time decisions. We saw Tyron Smith last week.


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[Assistant] Out there trying to warm up and get ready and maybe play. So I think this week he probably gets over the hump and does play. At least I'm hoping for that.


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[Assistant] Now, also the other thing I'll say about the Philadelphia defense that I liked last week.


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[Assistant] I did see, I thought, Fletcher Cox closer to the Fletcher Cox I remembered for the last few years. You know, a lot of people in Philadelphia have been talking about, you know, he had the toe injury and the foot injury, whatever he was dealing with, all training camp, and he has not been quite 100%. He's been good this year, but he has not been his dominant, so.


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[Assistant] He was the ass whooping Fletcher Cox that I remember on a bunch of them. So I think he might be close to dominant for him. But either way, you know, without the Sean Jackson, I worry about


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[Assistant] You know, there's just times with the Philadelphia offense, it's just so much work.


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[Assistant] It's so hard for them to go down the field. And yeaah, they got their mojo going for two or three drives, uh, the other day against your Minnesota Vikings. But then like, then it just stops. It halts. It's over.


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[Assistant] Like, oh man, we had a few little creative plays on those, but we ran out of the creative plays and now we're back to our.


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[Assistant] Bread and butter plays, and they're just not creative enough, in my opinion. They need to do a little bit more there in the pass game. You know, it's too much short to intermediate throwing for Karsten Wentz. It's too much of him jamming the ball in there for a seven yard gain.


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[Assistant] Oh, he's got to throw a strike and he's got to throw it 104 miles per hour to get this ball complete and damn he does it a lot.


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[Assistant] That's just dangerous against a team that's as talented as Dallas on the defensive side of the ball and really ultimately


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[Assistant] The affiliate secondary scares me. Not necessarily the safeties. The safeties are good. The corners are scary. They're just not good. That's all I can really say. Sydney Jones has never been healthy in the history of the NFL career at this point. Uh, Rasul Douglas can't cover people man to man. I go Cowboys.


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[Assistant] 31-28. I think it's a really fun game, but I do think the Cowboys win it.


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[Assistant] Yep, that's right. Okay, Monday Night Football. Patriots, Jets. Uh, they played a few weeks ago. The Patriots dominated the game. Uh, I think the Jets only scored because they had a pick six interception, right?


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[Assistant] Against the backup quarterback, Jared Stidham. And I believe they had, was it a kick return? Or a punt return? Or a punt block for a touchdown? They had a special teams touchdown. Uh, but it was ugly. We know the Patriots are really damn good.


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[Assistant] Their offense has struggled a little bit the last few weeks, and you know, struggling for the Patriots is not really struggling for the rest of the world.


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[Assistant] The Jets are a different team right now, right, Mike? I mean, hey, the Jets, uh, with Sam Darnold, it changes their outlook. I know CJ Mosley, they're expecting him to play this week. I didn't mean to cut you off here. I just started rambling, but the Patriots are favored by 10 on the road, Monday night football over under 42 and a half. What do you think?


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[Assistant] I don't expect it to either. Uh, I do think that could be a little annoying. The Jets can be like a little gnat in the Patriots' way for a little while in this football game. You know, there's much man-to-man as the Patriots like to play at times.


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[Assistant] Sam Darnold is just a phenomenal thrower of the football of anything like 25 or 30 yards and under. Man, can he just, he can ring the bell, hit the bullseye, uh, as good as anybody in football. And then if he decides, I mean, if he continues to throw the ball down the field, like we saw last week against the Cowboys and make plays that way,


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[Assistant] Whoa, that would be awesome and watch out. Uh, but ultimately, and Greg Williams.


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[Assistant] You know, the thing I like about Greg Williams and these type of matchups is he's not scared and he will throw some shit at the Patriots that


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[Assistant] They might have not been ready for or been prepared for, and I do respect that about Greg Williams in big matchup football like this, but ultimately I'm with you. I think the Jets kind of hang around or annoying for a while, but I'm going to go Patriots 28.


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[Assistant] To 17, they win the game, uh, and that's that, and they continue to dominate, you know, the AFC.


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[Assistant] Patriots though, it is amazing if you look at their schedule, how they have just had the, they've had the easiest schedule in football. It's amazing.


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[Assistant] Jeez. Alright, best bets time. Best bets time! Alright, you lead it on.


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[Assistant] This is like the game of the year for the Jets. So I just get scared. I don't know what it is. Uh, I can't, I couldn't pull the trigger and I, I hear your logic. I'm going the other way that yes, they usually do cover, but they didn't cover against the Jets the first time and I don't think they'll cover again this one. Well, I mean, I think they're going to cover. I just don't feel comfortable betting it.


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[Assistant] My first one will be the Los Angeles Rams. Los Angeles Rams only favored by three points on the road.


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[Assistant] I just, I'll be absolutely blown away if they don't win this game by significantly more than 3 points. I picked it 34-20, and I just don't see any area in the matchup where I go,


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[Assistant] The Falcons have an advantage here. I really don't. I don't see one freaking area. So, because of that, uh, that is my first bet of the week. The Los Angeles Rams with Jalen Ramsey, Aaron Donald, and a bunch of other freaking stars.


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[Assistant] Okay, so you're, uh, we're on that one. My second one will be the San Francisco 49ers on the road against the Washington Redskins. Uh, it's a nine and a half, nine and a half point spread. The 49ers are favored. Just have a hard time.


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[Assistant] Thinking that that Redskins offense can even score 10 points, let alone, you know, be within 10 points and.


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[Assistant] The 49ers are just, they're, they're a phenomenal football team. They're, they're in the, they're going to be a first or second round by everybody. It's just really whether they're the home field advantage or the number two seed. That's where I feel, that's how strongly I feel about them right now.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so that is my second best bet of the week. I got the 49ers winning 31 to 14. That's 17 points, and I feel like I'm almost being kind of nice to let the Redskins be within that score.


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[Assistant] It would suck for this week though, because I don't feel good except for the three games that I'm gonna pick and I gotta pick my third one. And my third one will be the Teddy Bridgewater New Orleans Saints. Yes, I think they're gonna win that game in Chicago and they're getting three and a half points. So I like that. If the Bears win, they're gonna win with like a late field goal.


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[Assistant] Uh, or the game's tied, and they win by a field goal. So that half point made me feel real warm and cozy, and I just don't believe in the Bears and their offense, and I gots to seize it to believes it. Okay? And I think the Saints are gonna win that game 20 to 17.


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[Assistant] So, we all took road teams, alright? And, like, give me your one. What's your one where you go, ah, this one is the one I feel best. I mean, these are our three favorites. San Francisco. San Francisco is your favorite?


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[Assistant] I think my favorite is the Los Angeles Rams. I think the Rams are gonna just lay a can of whoop ass on the Atlanta Falcons, but then the San Francisco one would be my second favorite one.


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[Assistant] I like that. Let's cut that out and send that to Richard on Twitter, okay? I'm sure he'll love that. I'm sure he won't have anything to say about you, uh, after that.


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[Assistant] Alright, that's it. I am officially sick of talking to Michael Florio for the week. Okay, I'm done. I like your jersey. Get online and buy your Kirk Cousins jersey because you'll be wearing it next week. Let's wait until four o'clock.


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[Assistant] Okay, alright. You the man, Mike. Uh, have a good day. I'm sorry you don't get to work with me tomorrow. Somehow you'll manage though, I'm sure. I'm going to the Yankees game tonight. I'm pumped about that. I'm DVRing Chiefs, Broncos. I'll be watching that tomorrow morning on my morning off.


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[Assistant] So I'm pumped. You better take your hamburger helper gloves. It's going to be cold. I'll have my own gloves this time, so it'll be better. No hamburger helper, but PFTPM podcast, Chris Sims on button collaboration. Always fun, Mike. Be good. See you later. You'll see you Sunday. Bye.


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[Assistant] Yo yo, what's up? Come on man, subscribe on YouTube to Chris Simms Unbuttoned Podcast. I need you, please hit the subscribe button, please!


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[Assistant] Yeaah, it's smart, because, you know, a lot of these goal-liner in-zone fades, people like to lob it up there and have their wide receiver try to, uh, high-point the ball over the defensive back. Why not just do what Stafford does, is like, bullet back-shoulder throws, and just allow your receiver to box him out.


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[Assistant] The 70s called, they want your sweatshirt back, by the way. Oh, come on, man. No? No, I like it. I just had to give you shit about something. I mean, come on. Someone in your year said that. No, it was me. It was totally me. I don't. You got a good style. Completely your vibe. I'm down with your style. Yes, I'm down with your style. We need to improve your sneaker game, but other than that, you're good.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, buddy. You're looking good today though. All black, buttoned up. Only if you buttoned your top button you'd be really cool. Instead you're just cool.


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[Assistant] happened. Uh, we got big coming on about 25 minutes from now. Uh, we're going to run through some quarterbacks with him. I sent him a text message, so we just won't let him ramble. I think he'll have some parameters, a little more direction, which probably means we'll have no direction at all knowing him. He'll go.


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[Assistant] We're gonna hit a number of things today. We're gonna hit, you know, New England, Philly, Denver, Minnesota, Dallas, Detroit, like I said, some of the quarterbacks with Big Phil.


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[Assistant] We are going to interact more with, cause I think this is something I would like to do. I've been on everybody and Pete demoletiletiletilitis. Yeah, I like demoletiletiletilitis. Okay. I really, I love butchering his name.


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[Assistant] Yes, uh, he has been all over Twitter, Instagram and just trying to, I want to incorporate them. I want questions for them. I want to answer them. I want to incorporate our fans and everything. Awesome. So go ahead. You take the show from here on out.


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[Assistant] Look at you, look at you, swearing and everything. Gosh, you're all grossed up. You're all grossed up. Uhm, uh, so first off. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] That would have been an incredible catch. I don't know where you stand on it. And I want to hear it from a second. Just wait one second. I think it would have been an incredible catch. Now I know he got two hands on the ball.


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[Assistant] You know, again, as he's running full speed, let's just say across a clock from like 5 o'clock to 11 o'clock, right? He's running that way full speed and the ball was thrown at 12 o'clock and he had to adjust at the very back of the end zone.


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[Assistant] I do think wind played a factor in this throw. You know, and again, I don't know that, but we did, if you watch that game on Sunday, they showed the flags a lot during the game to show that the wind.


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[Assistant] Even on film, the ball looked like it got hit by the wind to a degree with me. I don't know for sure. It's a tough thing to call.


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[Assistant] You get two hands on the ball, and everybody goes, man, you get two hands on the ball, you should catch it. And I understand that. But I still think if he catches that ball, it's gonna be one of the catches of the year. That's how difficult it was, at least in my eyes. I know not everybody sees it that way. What do you think?


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[Assistant] Now I could certainly sit here and also argue Carson Wentz needs to throw the ball across the field more. As I'm saying, like, right, if he's running from 5 to 11 on a clock,


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[Assistant] Carson Wentz needs to throw the ball at 10 o'clock, 10.30, somewhere in that range. It's a mistake a lot of quarterbacks make sometimes. You see the deep post thrown down the field and the guy's running, you know, right down, he's running towards, let's say, you know, you're in the middle of the field.


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[Assistant] And he's supposed to catch the post down the middle, right in the middle of the two hashes.


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[Assistant] So I do think Wentz could have thrown it over that way more. Okay. If I was going to say one thing also.


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[Assistant] I think what it's being, this whole thing is being accentuated a little bit more, is we're jumping on a popular narrative. Nelson Aguilar can't catch. This has been a thing ever since, you know, the fire in Philadelphia and the guy on the news said, oh, we were catching babies unlike Aguilar. So it's become a narrative now and I think that's why it's become a bigger deal too.


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[Assistant] And on that one too, I couldn't tell maybe if somebody got their hand on it on film. I don't remember seeing it clearly in the TV copy. It was very close.


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[Assistant] Either way, that one was right here in his bread basket and he had two hands right around it to catch that one. And that was a big drop. You're exactly right. Now, just to speak specifically about that play. You know, that was Bill Belichick.


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[Assistant] You know, there's not a lot of people open throughout the game. There's just not. Nobody in Philadelphia is that special at receiver. There's nobody that scares you.


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[Assistant] We've talked about this a lot. I feel like I'm kind of like preaching to the choir here.


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[Assistant] So again, nobody's going like, oh my gosh, we got to back off. Like it's Nelson Aguilar and Zach Hertz. Alshon, Jeffrey's not even out there. I mean, you know, they're just, they don't have a team right now that scares you. Deshaun Jackson's not there. They have nothing to back a defense off.


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[Assistant] Let alone one of the best secondaries and defenses we've seen here in recent history. So there's that aspect of it. Now, I will say this.


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[Assistant] On that fourth and 10 pass, there was a third and 10 out route to Zach Ertz. Completely missed him. Completely missed him.


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[Assistant] On first and 10, he completely missed him again on a very similar route. Had Zach Ertz going on like a little Y out as we call the Y as the tight end and missed that throw as well. So if I'm going to blame Carson Wentz for anything, it would be those two throws I think were his most egregious mistakes of the day.


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[Assistant] Doug Peterson's crazy and might go over two and we lose the game. So it totally changed the game, him missing those first and third down throws. And like you said, for NFL high level players like Ertz and Carson Wentz, that's about as slam dunk as it should get for getting a completion. So agree there.


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[Assistant] Well the 4th down play, I just think, you know, again, it's, uh, they bring the all-out blitz, it's, uhm, it's really


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[Assistant] Well covered for the most part. They're sending verticals down the field. He's sending, he's got earths to the left, three receivers to the right. He's going to throw that inside post to Nelson Aguilar, the three of the, the three of the verticals and he's on the inside. You know, if he has


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[Assistant] Maybe a hair more time, and even really if he just hung in there for a second, he might have been able to throw a crow route to his left to Earth's for the first down. Now he would have got lambasted, and he would have probably had to hold the ball even an extra second longer than what he did when he threw the ball to Aguilar, but either way.


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[Assistant] It's Bill Belichick in a big moment like that. And when you have more than five yards, I would bet on Bill Belichick blitzing and forcing your hand more times than not. They brought seven, okay, so it's an all out.


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[Assistant] Casino Blitz. We're rolling the dice. We're gonna force their hand and see if they got the right call and if they can make the right blitz adjustment and actually protect it the right way. And within doing that, they brought seven, but two took two steps in and then dropped out.


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[Assistant] So it was seven, but it was really five because two then were underneath in case they threw a shallow cross or an inside slant, they're going to be able to bat the ball down and do that as well.


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[Assistant] Okay, so in my assessment of watching the film, I would say to, uh, email Martinson, very good question, because this is a topic that I've heard throughout, you know, all talk shows. Comes from Sweden. Awesome. What's up Sweden? I like that. I got some, I got some Sweden in my bloodlines, just so you know.


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[Assistant] Uhm, my grandmother was always like, we're part Viking. But uhm, either way, I don't think it had a big effect on the game. Okay, let's take the two drives for points for the Philadelphia Eagles. First play of the game was a 50-yard pass interference call. That set them up for the first field goal.


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[Assistant] As hard and tough of a drive as you're gonna find in football this year. I mean, it was, you know, and I don't know how much you saw in my notes. I know I got my notes a little late to you today, so I don't know if you got to go over them, uh, like you usually do. But, you know, some of the, the, it was,


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[Assistant] Screens. Tight end screen. Check down. Three yard runs. I mean, it was a lot of work. It was 16 plays, 95 yards. They executed at a very high level. That's really not realistic to say you're gonna be able to do that against this defense drive after drive after drive.


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[Assistant] No, neither team has great offensive firepower and both defenses were clearly the better units on the field in both of those matchups. I think you're exactly right. And uhm,


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[Assistant] Hey, that Eagles defense is special. There's, I just burped into the microphone. I was wondering what that sound was. I, I, that, I mean, that Eagles defense is really good. That Patriots defense is special. They've gone into the, the 85 Bears, 2000 Ravens conversation.


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[Assistant] They have, and maybe they don't have that dominant star that we can latch on. There's no Richard Den and Mike Singletary.


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[Assistant] Well, I think the scheme as well, but it's just not like this aggressive overpowering scheme. It's more about


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[Assistant] Confusion and great coaching in the back end with a secondary that's as good as any secondary we've seen here in the last ten years. I mean, they're just, they're super talented. There's no other way to say it. How often are they playing with five or six DBs? I mean, to me, that's a great question.


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[Assistant] I mean, I don't even know the numbers, but I'm going to say like 80, 80, 85% most of the time. To me, that's one of the things you need to do when you play. And I wrote this in my notes. When you play them, the New England Patriots, I mean in them, you need to get in


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[Assistant] Two backs, one tight end. You need to get in two tight ends, one back. That's what Baltimore did to them.


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[Assistant] It took away their, oh, we got six guys at the line of scrimmage. Are we going to bring two or three, four, five, six? Are we going to drop them out? Are we going to play man? Are we going to play some crazy zone? When you get into some of those heavy run sets, they have to get into three, four and.


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[Assistant] You can't be as crazy with some of your things. Oh gosh, there's two tight ends to the right. And if we bring one of those crazy blitzes or have people standing up and dropping out and they happen to run the ball right


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[Assistant] It's one of my issues with Philly anyways. I wish they would just get underneath the center and run the ball a little bit more in general. I thought that was one of the areas that they might be able to take advantage. You know, again, I've said this before. I said this last week. This is a weird year for the New England Patriots. They usually have a lot of big people on their defensive line right now.


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[Assistant] They have two defensive tackles. They have Lawrence Guy and Danny Sheldon. That's really all they got. And now Lawrence Guy is kicking ass and so is Danny Sheldon. But when they get in their 3-4, their other defensive end, which is really a defensive tackle in the 3-4, is Dietrich Weiss. He's 275 pounds. Like, that would be one thing I would tell all teams. Run the ball at him, please.


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[Assistant] He's a 275 pound defensive tackle. Run at him!


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[Assistant] And those are little things that has jumped out to me about the game in general. What would you, what grade would you give to Carson Wentz? Carson Wentz? You touched on him a little bit. Yea, right. I, I mean, I think, realistically, probably a B to a B minus. I'm not gonna sit here and blame the game on Carson Wentz. I'm not.