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[Assistant] Shout out to, oh, I can say shout out to you. I don't know what the heck happened. I don't know what kind of game it's gotten into you, but now, he's now up front looking to make plays, not just be up there. He's a playmaker. That was a huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge


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[Assistant] He's playing really well. He's, he's in the end. Miles Gare's not even in. No. He jumps up, bats and pass up. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] He, they shut all that read option stuff down. Like, J.O.K. was screaming in there.


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[Assistant] I thought Shores did a nice thing. I think Shores did a really nice. They didn't get home on it too much.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but they had, they was bringing the cat blitzes, the corner blitzes. I thought they brought, uh, they disguised it well. I thought Greg Newsome blitzed really well. He got a half a sack.


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[Assistant] Uh, when miles get on that, usually they use, they use the mug technique and have, uh, you know, Anthony Walker or maybe J. O. K. at the line of scrimmage and making the linemen a little confused, but I thought he did a good job of bringing the corners this time.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then one of the most oppressive stats that I saw was when they talked about


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[Assistant] Myles Gatt being one of the only few players to have seven consecutive seasons with 10 plus sacks.


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[Assistant] Kinda untenable for them to even get, like, Kyler Murray's kind of... Only front offices!


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[Assistant] Uhm, no, but I, I, I just think, I thought Zedaria Smith played his best game too. Yeaah. Uhm, he, yeaah. And I think we need to spend a little extra time on Greg Newsom.


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[Assistant] Um, as a unit. That's why you do the outings to Aruba. That's why you do the cookouts over, over one of the veterans' house. You do those things. It is not because that's going to help you be better. You do those things so you don't have the mental and emotional shock.


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[Assistant] When something like that happens. Because I, I just had to tell myself, oh yeaah, you ain't built for it no more. And we mean, like I don't have the, I don't have the intestinal fortitude to not be negative when that stuff happens. That's why they make you run laps and all that other stuff. Because it builds you up. But when he, listen, when he dropped that rock,


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[Assistant] I feel like you could go up there with the greatest of intentions and accuracy and it just don't go in. Right. And in that case, he misses that accuracy.


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[Assistant] Did I tell him he was out of here? No, I did say, hey, when you find a kicker from the practice squad.


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[Assistant] This is ridiculous. I was just like, this is great. Now, now here's the thing. We say special teams, right? Yea. You got a great punter and a great kicker.


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[Assistant] The punter, he does an excellent job. Like, I mean, Brewer has, they tried to get him out here for holding the ball, but obviously that was not his problem with Cade York. So you got a great punter, you got a great kicker. I think it's the return game. The Browns still have not figured out. Right. The punt return game. Although in fairness to Cade York, he hasn't missed a kick this year.


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[Assistant] Uhm, at least when he misses, you know, submissive to off-back. For some reason, I get annoyed when it looks like it's good, but it curves out left and right. Curves to the last second. I'm like, no, just no, no, just miss it. Don't tease me. Don't tease me. But when he makes it, I'm already celebrating. When he kicks it, oh, that's right down the middle. I'm already celebrating. Yea, for the most part, he is.


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[Assistant] It looks like he's starting to stress his eyes. You know, a lot of times his running backs, you know, they give you an arc or a path to run. Uhm, it's up to you to figure out, uhm, where you move and maneuver off of that. A lot of times they've been having him go on an outside arc path and even running stretch plays and different things like that, outside runs. Uhm,


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[Assistant] And he's just been, he's been, he's been staying frontside, staying frontside, staying frontside instead of getting downhill. I thought he did a much better job of that. Now he's starting to develop his vision a little bit more where he realizes, Hey, listen, when you've got an aggressive defense like Baltimore.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they're gonna be sidelined and sidelined downhill, but the thing that you can use to your advantage is, now,


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[Assistant] Now the cutback is available. Now you can start to set up your blocks a little better. Uhm, I thought Jerome Ford, uh, you know, he played really well last game. And then, you know, in tandem, I really, really, really thought that the run game was solidified inside. I thought that the two guards in the center,


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[Assistant] And I believe that's when they were the best at being bullies. I thought they were bullies. I thought they were more physical. And the fact that people talked about Baltimore being the best defense when these guys go against the Cleaver Browns every week.


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[Assistant] I think they had a little something to say about that. Like come on, now we play against the Browns. We play Miles Garrett and Thomas in these boys every week.


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[Assistant] Y'all giving the Ravens the best defense? Nah, let's go ahead and show them what we got. And I thought those four people, like the guards, Teller, Pochich, and Jerome Ford with Botonio, I thought they did a great job.


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[Assistant] You know, you just mentioned something. Ahem. And...


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[Assistant] I didn't think of it to just now when we was having this discussion. I got a theory.


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[Assistant] But I really believe that Kevin Safanski sat down and said, okay, let's pare this down a little bit.


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[Assistant] I think David, DPJ is expendable because of the increased role with David and Joku. And Joku's a better blocker. He wants to get him out there on those mismatches, better run after the catch, and he can utilize him in more different areas. He made him expendable.


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[Assistant] Uhm, because now if you look at it, essentially, you've pared it down to say, okay, read number one, we're going to Mari Cooper, and we don't care if we double. Mari Cooper still consistently puts up numbers, and then two,


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[Assistant] We're going to start to look for David and Joku. We're going to have him, utilize him as our number two receiver kind of guy. And hey, they got the draft pick for him, but really you're not, you're now starting to see David and Joku be a part of the play every single play. They're not switching forward receivers. They're going to go with the tight end. And just, here's the thing. He's just more comfortable calling plays for tight ends.


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[Assistant] You know, he stood in the pocket. I believe it was in the, cause they got a chance to get them up out of here. It was looking bad. It was 14 nothing. I thought they came back down. He threw him a comeback route and it was about 16 yards. I thought it was really nice.


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[Assistant] But just don't stand over him and do that and you're fine. If you're gonna do that, guys gotta start doing this. You can go to my clinic. You gotta start standing there like you're taking a charge. If you're gonna make a crack back block, all you do is just this.


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[Assistant] Give up your body. Take the charge. I didn't hit him. All you gotta do is just get in the way. Like, like, but he's gonna get called for that. But here's the thing too. He didn't catch any passes either. No, I don't even get fruit of it. I don't know what he was doing.


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[Assistant] And by the way, Stephese loves his floodplains, but, hey man, listen, I like-


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[Assistant] It was a good throw. It was a good throw. I thought he did. And Deshaun did a lot of that in Houston. If you go back and watch his highlights that stood in those plays like that. And remember, guess what? This was two, I would say, this was last year, the last six games, no bronze receiver would have done that. The scramble drills was like,


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[Assistant] Now here's the best thing about the ankle injury, and I'll say this, you know, when you have multiple injuries, you know, when you're battling, like, I had a calf injury that I had, but I had already torn my ACL and my left knee.


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[Assistant] And sometimes when you get an injury, we don't want anybody to get hurt. What it does, it makes you play off instinct. It makes you, you don't think a lot.


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[Assistant] And I think Deshaun Watson has something else to focus on other than a shoulder. So he's out there. You can't worry about both of them. And I think he got into a rhythm a little bit because it's like, okay.


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[Assistant] I gotta worry about this, this ankle. And sometimes you play on, on adrenaline and you just play on instinct. And I thought he played more, much more instinctual because he had plays like that where he's able to get out of the pocket and throw the ball and do things like that. Um, just cause he's playing and he knows he's not at home.


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[Assistant] On a payroll. Yes, they have to fix J.O.K. No, don't even call Ultimate Cleavage Sports no more. Listen, you just gonna work with J.O.K. behind the scenes and that's how


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[Assistant] Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. 12 tackles for loss in the NFL is stupid.


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[Assistant] That's ridiculous. He's a linebacker. For a guy who weighs 210 pounds. Like no, like he's not like a, he's not a rush end or anything. No, no. That is impressive. Seems like a lot. That's a lot.


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[Assistant] That was maybe his most impressive play of the day. And if you notice McNuggets in those plays, they run read option towards Miles Garrett's side.


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[Assistant] Because he's so aggressive. Miles Garret in his get-off is so aggressive. Like, he pretty much takes the running back out of the option play to start with. So what they did this game was like, okay, no.


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[Assistant] When Miles Garrett, if they run that to his side, Miles Garrett is going to take away the running back. Forget that. We're going to have J.O.K. scream right off his backside and we're going to meet and Lamar Jackson pulled it and J.O.K. was just in his face. He was just sitting there. Now the thing about Lamar Jackson is he's so doggone good that he kind of evaded the tackle. He hit him hard.


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[Assistant] And Miles Garrett kind of cleaned it up with another guy, but I thought that was a nice little wrinkle that they threw in there, uhm, to kind of stop the running quarterback type stuff. Uhm, and, and short shit, short shit did a really good job of bringing pressure from different angles.


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[Assistant] And I'm gonna give you this too. That's Zay Flowers kid.


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[Assistant] And, and, and that's all, all fans have wanted. That's all fans have wanted for the most part. The fans are asking for you to beat two games for the Steelers or the Ravens or the Bengals every year.


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[Assistant] You're asking guys for you to be in contention every year. Like for you to be able to look up at the end of the season and say you can't take the Browns lightly. And I noticed, I think that the Browns arrived, you know how?


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[Assistant] And I said, when is the last time you've seen Sal Pal even say Cleveland? Yea, that's right. And he said, the likely defensive player of the year, before he introduced them, and I said, well dammit, we done, we done messed around in


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[Assistant] There are so many points where it was done. It was done. Right. The game was over, like the first, like even the interception, if you watch the Sean Watson go back to the sideline, he's like...


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[Assistant] Like come on, like are you serious? Like, what's the chances of that happening? He's probably thinking that dang, it happened to PJ in Seattle, it happened to me, but who would have known that we would get one of those things, but we take it back to the house.


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[Assistant] Did you guys know this? This is crazy. I didn't even know. Do you know, uh, Jerome Ford is almost, like, he's like,


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[Assistant] But he didn't really get the main carries. No. Which is crazy. And they had their buy. To be, put it in perspective, uhm, Christian McCaffrey only has 747 yards. Uhm, the second guy, Derek Hayden, who had 625. But if you look at what he's doing, like,


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[Assistant] This is freaking fun, G. Bush. Man, this is crazy. This is an opportunity. I told Earl, leaving my radio show, we were leaving in a studio and we were like,


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[Assistant] Man, can you imagine if they get it done today with that, that's going to look like next week against Pittsburgh to get everybody down there tailgating and really, a Pittsburgh Steelers game that has everything made for a number one type, like they can be, it's sort of, it's for first place.


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[Assistant] Ayy, that, that was like, yo, then, I don't know, it was so many people in there, I couldn't even get on the stream. I'm like, is the stream broke? They're like, you have no sound, G-bush. I said, how does G-bush not have audio? I do 96 shows a week. 100, what you doin'?


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[Assistant] I think it's cause all the, they call a lot of piddlies on the Browns play. They do a lot of reviews on the Browns play. Like, maybe it's just, it seems like the AFC North games take forever.


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[Assistant] We got a wild stat about Jim Schwartz against rookie quarterbacks. Jason?


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[Assistant] In the three minutes between the end of our YouTube show, guys, and the beginning of our WKYC show at The Fine Folks here, we blew up our entire plan for what will take them behind the scenes was the A Block.


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[Assistant] That's very fancy. We've blown up the A block because we got word just in the last half hour guys that nothing official, but Deshaun Watson taking all the first team reps. And it seems Jason that he is trending toward playing this Sunday.


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[Assistant] Am I overly confident that the Sean Watson is going to make it through the game?


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[Assistant] Let alone play at a high level. No, I'm not overly confident, but the fact that he's playing


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[Assistant] I think, listen, it's hard to trust the Browns on this situation.


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[Assistant] Because the way it's been handled, at least publicly, from day one, when he got hurt against the Titans, has been pretty bad.


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[Assistant] However, I'm gonna go under the assumption, you know what happens when you assume.


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[Assistant] Could be a bad sometimes, but I'm going to choose to go under the assumption that the Brown's medical staff and Deshaun Watson have decided that, Hey, listen,


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[Assistant] His shoulder is as good as it's going to be this year. It's not perfect, but it's not going to be perfect until after the season.


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[Assistant] It's not going to get any better if he rests one or two more weeks. We either have to play him at some point or not. If he feels confident in playing and the team feels, hey,


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[Assistant] Yeah, it could get worse, but it also could get worse if he plays next week or the week after. At this point, what's the point of waiting? If it goes badly, at least it happens with Arizona where you can recover from that by going to PJ Walker or DTR or whatever the heck you want to do, and it gives you time


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[Assistant] Look, just think about it this way. If you wait till next week when they're playing Baltimore guys, and Deshaun Watson goes out like he did in the five plays in and it's a disaster. Well now you're throwing in PJ Walker into a game where he wasn't preparing all week. That's a, that's a negative. A big negative.


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[Assistant] They can still win the game with PJ Walker coming in with very little practice because they're just so much better overall than the Cardinals.


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[Assistant] When Deshaun last spoke, he said, hey, I gotta listen to the medical people. I gotta listen to my body. I came back too soon a couple of weeks ago.


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[Assistant] I mean, is he ready now though? Is he honest now today? Like, I don't know. Maybe he's just saying all the right things and he's going to go out there and be a disaster. I mean, it is bad if the same thing happens that happened two weeks ago. The team is going to look really bad. Again, I would just rather that happen this week in Arizona than next week against Baltimore.


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[Assistant] I don't think any of us are expecting Deshaun Watson to be at his best. At this point I don't even know what his best is anymore.


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[Assistant] However, as bad as he played last year, I mean, off the top of my head I would say,


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[Assistant] That was bad. Okay, so but five of the six last year were not, that was a P.J. Walker level start fair. But the rest, and that was his first game obviously in almost two years. But the rest of them were all better than, like, diminished to Sean Watson.


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[Assistant] Is still probably better than PJ Walker. If he can throw the football. If he can throw the football.


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[Assistant] Josh Allen wasn't practicing against the, you know, they're playing the Bengals this weekend. I'm like, well I want Josh Allen to play. Maybe we're crazy, we're probably the minority because I think a lot of fans are like, well I don't want a good player to play. I like...


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[Assistant] When the good players play each other. Yea. And, and Kyler Murray versus Deshaun Watson is a lot more exciting than PJ Walker against Clayton Toon. Against Clayton Toon. Right? I mean, that's, that's a lot more fun, but, uh.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I mean, listen, the Browns in, in this game...


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[Assistant] And really the whole season are going to be playing with fire every time Deshaun Watson is on the field.


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[Assistant] And that's why it still remains a little surprising that they haven't brought in another veteran quarterback. Do we think that ship has sailed completely? Do we think there's any chance they're gonna bring in a free agent? None. Even if Watson's out for the year.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, the good news is we didn't know when the YouTube show started today.


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[Assistant] Obviously, stick with us folks. If you don't know, you know, we do shorts on YouTube, but if there's breaking news, when there was trades, when Donovan Peoples Jones got traded, Mikey threw up a short. When, uh, the Browns didn't trade for quarterback, I threw up a short on YouTube. We're constantly hitting you.


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[Assistant] When we come back from this break, I gotta tell ya, this is a wild stat. Shocking about Jim Schwartz against rookie quarterback is gonna blow your mind. This is the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show brought to you by PCC Airport.


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[Assistant] There's gotta be something to it. And by the way, like, I know they were first round picks, although Daniel, oh yea Daniel was first round picks. But Haskins, who obviously had already passed away, Mack Jones and Zach Wilson, they're all bad quarterbacks. They had spots early on during the first round. Not Zach, not Zach.


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[Assistant] He's been back. Jones did look better as rookie. Yeah, but Trevor Lawrence and burrow weren't the quarterbacks. They are now, but they're still town and quarterback. Those two in particular. Yes, but it is surprising that


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[Assistant] I ultimately agree that Clayton Tune, you know, it's just, I don't know if any of those were their first NFL star.


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[Assistant] That's a huge difference. Now those were mostly bad teams. Remember the Bengals and Burrows rookie year were bad. They finished, you know, and he got Jaguars were terrible.


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[Assistant] It is official. I obviously was trending that way for the last half hour, guys. It's official. We've already talked about it. Let's spend another, let's wrap up our Deshaun Watson. Now starting out, it's official. Who's the quarterback he will face?


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[Assistant] I assume he's not on the injury report. Yes, Mike.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, Alex Wright, I don't care. David Bell, I don't care. Hello, Cedric Tillman, come on in. Let's go. Let's see what Cedric Tillman's got. I'm excited about that, guys. Excited about Cedric Tillman?


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[Assistant] He's going to be in the top three. He's going to be in the top three. Mark, he's a good one and he will get the third, you know, the third snap, the third targets behind the top two guys and the tight end. All right, real quick. Let's get to the Cardinals quarterback situation. We have a definitive answer on the Browns. Fashal Watson is going to start. We think it's going to be Clayton Tune for Arizona.


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[Assistant] You guys are crazy. If I'm the Cardinals, I've got nothing to lose. So why wouldn't I play Kyler Murray? It's not a Deshaun Watson situation where he just had the injury a few weeks ago.


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[Assistant] Get on the field as soon as possible. And if I'm the Cardinals, I'm not saying anything. I'm telling everybody, letting everybody believe it's Clayton Tune, and I am going to play Tyler Murray. Mike, what you got to play about right now?


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[Assistant] Remember, we wrote all these headlines before we knew that Sean Watson was gonna play.


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[Assistant] So that may factor into some of them. So let's get to my headline next there, Mikey Mcdungits. Here we go. Brown's defense plays sweet music.


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[Assistant] 27-9. I think I originally said 27-10. I'm going 27-9. No touchdowns for the Cardinals in this game. They got a good kicker in Matt Prater. He's going to make three field goals. The Browns win going away. Deshaun Watson plays a serviceable game and the Browns win Andalusian.


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[Assistant] You can do that on, like, the news allow you to do that? Yeah, they did. So you think the Big Ten allow me to do that? You have a beard.


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[Assistant] I'm saying, but what if I don't line it up though?


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[Assistant] When you say no shade, when you say no shade, like that mean you don't touch it at all. No, no, no, nobody wants that.


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[Assistant] That's what I feel like. Once I get that uniform on, you always finish with that helmet. And once that helmet go on, it's violent thoughts. Everything is real. It's just violent.


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[Assistant] Did you not, you, you missed my message when I told you I was talking to Scott from the Yankees, the pitcher. How'd that go? He told, I told, out of 25 pitches he said that he thinks I'll hit fives. Off him? Yea.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Cause we, so our little segment, our bump segment, he like pitched me a ball, POOM! Hit it. He didn't pitch.


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[Assistant] No, he pitched it. No, he didn't weird out. He went for the stretch. I'll pull up the clip. I wanna see it.


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[Assistant] I don't know, on a post game show when they call, you know, I thought people was fairly


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[Assistant] Right. He tried it in the Indianapolis Colts game and it got picked.


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[Assistant] Cause I don't, but. I do. Okay. Yeah. Convince me. If you draft somebody that, that's, that franchise is game. Cause everybody's excited. Especially Baker.


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[Assistant] To me, the worst thing that's happened for Deshaun but the best thing that happened for Cleveland was that they won against the 49ers.


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[Assistant] Why do I say that? Because the first game against Baltimore, the situation that they put DTR, it was just horrible.


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[Assistant] To the point where it was like, it made Deshawn look like, hey, we ain't got Deshawn, we don't got a chance. It did. Then they go to San Francisco and they beat San Francisco without Deshawn. Right. So now everybody's like, oh, this team is really good. Like they still got pieces. Now imagine if the quarterback is there.


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[Assistant] That it just, it is what it is. Baltimore just better than y'all and we just not there yet. That's basically what y'all set the table for.


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[Assistant] You know what, as a special teams unit, y'all need to block just a tad bit harder. You got a guy like that, that's dynamic like that. You need to block and hold that block for just a tad bit strain. Cause that dude can get into the house. Wouldn't he love to take one to the house against his old team? Oh, he going to be extra juicy.


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[Assistant] First of all, it's amazing that this is where we are, because if you would have said this four weeks ago, we would have been like, oh easily, I could go out there and do it better than that.


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[Assistant] I don't know how they, you know, obviously they signed the tackle from the San Francisco 49ers practice squad. Right. So he's on the active roster I would imagine.


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[Assistant] I'd put the other dude over there. What's the dude that they got that's on practice squad from the Bears? Alex Leatherwood? Somebody, he was a first round pick. I mean, Bill has done wonders with some of these office alignments. That's true.


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[Assistant] That way. So, well, this is the thing. So, to be fair, this is one thing that we never take into consideration.


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[Assistant] Listen, Bill probably like, you know what, y'all go to the locker room and get dressed. Jay, sit right there, let me talk to you for a sec.


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[Assistant] He goes, this is for the last couple of weeks. This has been your great.


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[Assistant] Now listen, we got, I've been putting my faith in you. I've been going and taking bullets for you for many years.


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[Assistant] At some point, if you care about me because I care about you, you need to step it up. This team needs you.


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[Assistant] You know? You're supposed to be all in. We went to Greenbriar. We done went to vacations. We done been kicking it. These is the guys that you call your family, your brothers. And you are letting your family down miserably. Yeah, like miserably. And the only way that this season, if you think we going to the Super Bowl or anything, the only way we gonna get there is if you start to play best.


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[Assistant] And if somebody, if I hear that as a football player, first of all, I'm crushed.


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[Assistant] I'm crushed, cause I would feel, cause I mean, that's my life, like I don't want to be the reason why we're not winning games. Right. So if you, somebody said that to him, which, and maybe it did, maybe it didn't, I'm just guessing here.


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[Assistant] I think that will ultimately lead to, alright, I gotta do more. Like I gotta, what I need to do. Bill, we need to stay after practice. I gotta do some more kick slides. Miles, I know you busy and I know you got things going on, but after practice, can you give me like five or six pass rushes? I just want to make sure that I'm clean for the game.


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[Assistant] Like, people are looking to do that because why? This team ultimately wants to see themselves make it to the highest level. And I'm sure if Jay asks Miles to do that or Zadair or anybody.


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[Assistant] Knowing what they've seen on Sundays, they don't mind spending the extra time helping you out to get you better for Sundays. Cause you're not going to see anybody better than your own D-line. Gee, Typhus said something there that really made your wheels turn.


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[Assistant] And I don't want to weaken two positions. Well, I'll tell you what, last week, uh, against the Cardinals, if Jones would have went out and Jay was out, Yeah. But Tonio was sliding to the left. Well, we would have had to.


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[Assistant] Dave, I'm doing the workout today. Like come on now, you know, I did some NFL workouts before. What am I getting myself into? Like is this really like that difficult?


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[Assistant] Mary Kay, when you look at the 28-3 loss, what were some of the key things that stood out that you think the Browns have fixed and will be better at moving forward?


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[Assistant] Mary Kay, what is the status on Gnu? I mean, Cam Mitchell came in there and I thought he played very solid. Uhm, I know he can hold it down against Baltimore, but is Gnu coming back this week or what's, what's that about?


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[Assistant] Speaking of clicking, is this the clicking week for Elijah Moore? I'm still holding out hope, Mary Kay. I stood on this show and said that this dude would be the key of this offense. And I'm waiting. I'm just, please don't make me look bad. Like come on now, is this the week?


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[Assistant] Mary Kay, when you, obviously this team has struggled with turnovers this year, you know, with taking care of the football. And I think last game, I don't think they had a turnover. What do you credit that to? You know, is that, is it because Arizona is not that great of a team or do you think that they really learn how to take care of the football?


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[Assistant] Oh, that's where you was? See, I wasn't all the way upset about that. My anger came at the defense.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. And it was a walk-in. They didn't even touch his jersey.


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[Assistant] So my point, my point is this. The defense is what kinda kept you into this whole game. You go down 14-0, your team comes back, you got the lead. So put it in the hands of the defense. Exactly. Yeah, so punt the football and give them a chance.


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[Assistant] You said his QBR was 41? I don't understand that. Two touchdowns, no picks.


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[Assistant] I mean, he had a good game. He had a good game. I don't know about no 91, but. I like that. I like that.


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[Assistant] See, that's, that's not fair. Because...


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[Assistant] That's not fair because although he didn't make the play, he was the reason why everybody else made they play.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's why I threw the personal in there. Something was off with him last year. It's the biggest difference of the whole defense. It's, he plays with an edge.


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[Assistant] I think, I think it's mental. I just think Swartz came in there and said, listen, y'all the baddest MFers on the planet. Go out there and play.


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[Assistant] In 98. In 96 is the best that's ever been.


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[Assistant] Well, I watched it in Sam Fran. I watched him take our guard and throw him into our quarterback for a sack. I watched him tackle our running back in one motion and strip him in one motion. It was the unbelievable. What, is it strength with him or instinct? It's hand placement and strength. Wow.


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[Assistant] Well, McNuggets had me thinking the other thing. He was like, he's like the Stephen Vaughn guy, he ain't even, he wasn't even that great of a catcher.


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[Assistant] I'm like, why would they get a dude like, cause if you don't, he must got a ton of knowledge. That's what I said, he must know the game, like no other. Because if I'm a former player, why would I listen to a guy who wasn't that great? Unless he's telling me something that I didn't know, then I would respect.


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[Assistant] Players will gravitate to somebody that can point out something, this is what it's going, you need, if you do this and fix this, you'll be better. You go out there and do it and you see the results, it's like, oh!


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[Assistant] Listen man, listen, these super chats, y'all know the end of Jerry Springer where they get to talk about the people that was on the set.


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[Assistant] They're back! Watch out, Jabba! That joke's never gonna get old, Jabba Chamberlain. I don't know what you're doing these days. But watch out, the Midges are back, they're under attack. Number two!


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[Assistant] Why is it that Hallmark thinks all men are awful? They do? Yeah, basically, because I go to buy an anniversary card from my wife, and every, like, two out of every three cards is, I know I never say I love you, I know I never do this. Oh, really? Well, I think in general,


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[Assistant] A day. Alright. That's good. Still, these cards make it seem like none. And the final thing, and this is the most important. Because in general, we are neanderthalic. Yes. Yes. In general. Absolutely. Uh, I tried a new restaurant that was so good it brought me to tears. Honestly.


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[Assistant] They left right before G. Bush. Uh. Wow. Well, not before you played. You must have played against them.


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[Assistant] Chuck Kyle's been to the restaurant already when they first opened. Uh, in fact, Austin Love went down to the restaurant too, from WKYC. The food, I am, I am, love barbecue, I have not found a single barbecue place that I love. This was off the charts. Portions?


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[Assistant] Portions were fantastic, the food was amazing, and the guy, Ramadi, and I want to mention the other owner's name, because I, uh... What were the sides? Like, everything was good?


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[Assistant] There was nothing below, on a scale of one to ten, the worst thing I ate was probably an eight and a half.


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[Assistant] Everything I ate was amazing, but I would say if I had to pick a top three, the ribs, the brisket, and the cornbread were...


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[Assistant] 100 out of 100. Cornbread has to be great. Oh my god, Jay's the best cornbread I've ever had in my life. It was ridiculous! Wow!


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[Assistant] Uh, this couple that sat down, they're asking me what we, what they should have because this guy was a fan. So they love sports there. They're big sports guys. Wow. They love it. I told them I was going to bring some of the guys down next week. We need to take Jack.


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[Assistant] Organizationally, it's been a total screw up. Uhm, number one, like,


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[Assistant] First of all, when they traded Josh Dobbs, none of us had a problem with it. Because we get, we were like, well, Josh Dobbs, at least I was, Josh Dobbs not that good. They must really buy into DTR. And I think they did.


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[Assistant] But then they gave him one chance. He wasn't prepared. Certainly not all his fault. And then they said, no, that's not good enough. So we're going to go to P.J. Walker. P.J. Walker is not an NFL quarterback in my opinion. He shouldn't even be a backup. He's a third string quarterback at best in my opinion. So the Watson interview has been


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[Assistant] There's been no clear message. We've gotten like seven different messages about what's going on with him. Even now? Even now, we're not exactly sure what's going on.


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[Assistant] You knew there was going to be an issue. Why would you not go out and address the position? In the end, we can talk about salary cap all we want.


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[Assistant] But in the end, if they had a quarterback, then they gotta pay 5 million, 10 million, whatever it may be.


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[Assistant] Is that really good? Eventually, yes, this is all going to come to a head, but is another five to even 10 million going to make that big a difference in the long run? I don't see how it can. Listen, I have always been for years, as long as you guys have known me, you can't win without a great quarterback. You can't win. I'm still not sure you can.


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[Assistant] But this year, after it started trending back towards defense a little last year, it's trending even more that way this year.


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[Assistant] I don't know if it's gonna last. Maybe the second half of the season will get back to what it was. Second half of the season last year the offense picked up. Maybe that'll happen again this year. And the Browns defense hasn't been perfect. They didn't play that well against Baltimore. They did not play that well against Indianapolis. But overall the Browns defense has been excellent.


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[Assistant] And it's starting to make me think maybe it's possible that you can once again win with average quarterback play. Maybe if your defense is great. But Jay, here's one thing I know and that will never change. You can't win with garbage quarterback.


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[Assistant] You can't win with the worst quarterback play in the league. You can win some games, but you can't win when it matters against good teams consistently with the worst quarterback play in the league. It is absolutely inexcusable.


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[Assistant] For the Browns not to address this position in some manner. And I get it. The options are not amazing, whether it's Josh Dobbs, or Andy Dalton, or Jacoby Brissette, or Ryan Tannehill, or Carson Wentz. None of those guys are gonna get us very excited, but you know what they all have in common? They're all better than PJ Walker!


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[Assistant] But try to save the race. Here's the good thing, and it's a good analogy, it's dead on, and here's the great part. It's not too late.


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[Assistant] With any consistencies by playing lights out defense. If they play mediocre defense even, they're gonna lose most of their games with the quarterback playing their game.


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[Assistant] It's not even like P.J. Walker has any kind of track record of playing excellent football. He has no track record. His only track record is outside of one year.


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[Assistant] This team can win a bunch of games with average quarterback play. We'll see. I know. And very few teams, by the way, can say that. That's right. And who knows? If you get decent quarterback play, decent, maybe you can bring Watson back in December. Maybe you can. And by then he feels alright and maybe you can make a run in the playoffs. What's funny is...


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Quincy Avery is, is Deshaun Watson's personal, uh, quarterback coach. Right. He works with other quarterbacks too. He does.


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[Assistant] At first I thought the last tweet was probably like a fake Brady Quinn account trying to make it look like it was him, but it was him.


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[Assistant] Brady Quinn is exposed. He's exposed here. I'm about to expose. I'm about to. This is huge.


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[Assistant] After, uh, I don't know if it was a Monday night game, it was something, I think it was a Monday, I don't know, it doesn't matter. It was a night game last year. Zach Wilson was playing for the Jets. Zach Wilson played a terrible game.


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[Assistant] Booger McFarlane, who we all know as an analyst, also on ESPN.


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[Assistant] Zach Wilson said he didn't feel, he played a terrible game in this game. And he said he didn't feel as though he let the Jets, uh, let down the Jets defense after scoring just three points against New England.


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[Assistant] He played terribly, the Jets only scored three points, and he wouldn't, he didn't take any blame for himself. Publically. Something, Deshaun Watson, it wasn't like Deshaun Watson said, well, we're losing because of somebody else. He's never said anything like that. I remember that comment. Remember that? He took a lot of heat for it. Yes. And one of the guys that gave him heat was Booger McFarland. And one of the things Booger McFarland said was,


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[Assistant] Uhm, he hasn't accepted accountability for his play because quote, he grew up with a lot of money.


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[Assistant] One of the people who was critical of Booger McFarlane bringing up Zach Wilson's money, Brady Quinn.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Brady Quinn said quote about Zach McFarland talking about Zach Wilson bringing up his money. Booker McFarland. Yeah. Brady Quinn said quote.


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[Assistant] The entire argument is so stupid. It was one of the dumbest things I've heard on air. And that's saying something because Booker was on Monday Night Football and he said a lot of dumb stuff during that period of time. So last year, Brady Quinn,


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[Assistant] Said Booger McFarlane said one of the stupidest things, one of the dumbest things ever for saying Zach Wilson is basically the same thing that Brady Quinn called Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] Exactly. Yeaah. Exactly. And so, for, for Brady Quinn, just a year ago, to say it's stupid for Booger McFarlane to bring up, you know, how, what, where his money came from, and then Brady Quinn did the exact same thing. Essentially, yeaah. I said, well he's a, he's a trust fund kid.


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[Assistant] Well, when somebody else called Zach Wilson a trust fund kid, a much worse and less accomplished quarterback than Deshaun Watson, who was not dealing with an injury last year, he just wasn't any good.


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[Assistant] He had a problem with it, but he had no problem saying the same thing about a more proven quarterback who's injured. And earned his money. Yes. He's earned his money. I wonder why.


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[Assistant] In the end- No one looks good today. Yes, that would have been the best case scenario. I understand why Quincy Avery got upset. I don't really have- If I were him, I probably wouldn't have done it that way, but I'm kinda- No, I know you would've. I fly off the seat of my pants, so maybe I would've. But, but-


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[Assistant] I completely agree. To me that's the biggest issue. It's tricky because we want the former players in the media to be honest and be open. Right. And Brady Quinn is not afraid to criticize and that's good. But you gotta be fair about your criticism. And that's it, Bull.


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[Assistant] I know, so. The truth. If he would have gone on there and been, man, this Deshaun Watson thing's been a disaster, he's been terrible so far in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] On, on, all week, he's telling everybody. On Friday, he said, I'm, I'm gonna play. Yes. If he was, if he didn't want to play because he's got all this money, why would he have said that? He would have packed out right then. He made himself look worse.


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[Assistant] By saying that. So that makes no sense. He wanted to play and couldn't. Okay, the next game against San Francisco, we couldn't go. Then this week...


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[Assistant] He was, it was 100% obvious to anybody with a brain that he was incapable of throwing the ball like he wanted to.


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[Assistant] Even, and it had been reported that not by him, but by Schefter and whoever, that it was, this is a four to six week injury at least. Bernie Kozar told us last week, that doesn't heal right away, it takes a while for it to heal. And yet,


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[Assistant] He put himself out there, he looked terrible in those five passes so people can, people like us can crap on him again because he didn't play well. Never should have been out there. And he shouldn't have been out there, and meanwhile this knucklehead is accusing him, he doesn't want to play.


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[Assistant] Bernie Kozar played quarterback for the Browns, had the exact same injury, and yes he played.


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[Assistant] But he told you it was a mistake. It got worse. He couldn't, they lost, he said it. He lives in regret to this day. 30 years plus years later because in that last playoff game he made bad throws because he didn't have the umph in his shoulder to make the throws.


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[Assistant] Great catch, yeaah. But, you know, what's interesting, I watched that whole, uh, I watched some of the Cardinals Seahawks, I watched all of the Bengals Seahawks, and you know, you talk about the, like the Bengals,


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[Assistant] Uh, the Seahawks were moving the ball the whole game with ease to the 20.


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[Assistant] And then it was like they couldn't protect Gino in the red zone. He was getting killed in the red zone almost every time. Like they had that, obviously that first drive was great. They went right into the end zone, but they could not get it in after that. What is, you talked about all the changes on the offensive line. Where are they on the offensive line right now? Cause obviously the Browns got a lot better pass rush, uh, than the Cardinals do.


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[Assistant] Hey, I'll tell you, Seattle is one of- I've been to Seattle twice in my life. I've had a great time both times I've been there. I don't know if you actually live in Seattle, Corbin, do you? Do you live in Seattle or-


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[Assistant] Uh, not currently, but, uh, I've lived there for several years of my life. Okay, it's a great city, but, uh, I'm guessing, you know, marijuana is legal in Washington, so maybe those people talking to Drew Lockerall Stone, that's the only thing I can imagine.


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[Assistant] Specifically on Gino. This is, the Gino story is one of the most amazing stories in the NFL. And it got talked about a lot last year. And yea, he hasn't been quite as good this year, but he's still been good. And, but even at the end of 2021 when he played a little bit there, he played well. Like this guy was terrible.


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[Assistant] It's amazing because he was not even, you never thought he would ever be any good. You rarely see a story like this where a guy stinks for a decade and now he's a pretty good quarterback. How do you explain this?


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[Assistant] He didn't, DK Metcalf should have stayed quiet on the Jamar, or him shutting down Jamar Chase, I'll tell you that though.


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[Assistant] Girl smart enough to know that. Did he have 80 yards that game or am I making it up? I know it was against him.


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[Assistant] And then the Seahawks march for a touchdown, and then the Bengals march for a touchdown again, and then neither team could get the ball, could do anything really after that. But anyway, alright, so this guy's the real deal. The Seahawks have drafted


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[Assistant] So well the last couple of years. That's made the difference, right? I mean, because the team was starting to flounder and the last two years they have drafted so well. Including with... They have and I


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[Assistant] We haven't even mentioned Kenneth Walker, who I think is one of the top.


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[Assistant] Probably five backs in the league. I, I thought Zach, Zach Charbonnet, how do you pronounce his last name? Charbonnet?


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[Assistant] Charbonne. Charbonne. I thought he would play more of a role, but they haven't really, and I know he's been banged up, I think he didn't play last week. But Kenneth Walker's so good, it's really hard to take him off the field.


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[Assistant] Corbin is Metcalf going to be, I know he was a game time decision last week didn't play. Are we, are we expecting him back for Seattle this week?


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[Assistant] Thanks guys. I picture Corbin like in a 1970s baseball card with like


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[Assistant] And obviously Russell Wilson, you know, was starting to play a little worse. And now the last two years they have drafted. They've been like the best drafting team.


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[Assistant] We never say fill 10 minutes. That makes it sound like we don't have great things to talk about. We've got amazing things to talk about.


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[Assistant] Mike, I got something here since there was nothing. Listen, listen to this, guys.


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[Assistant] Uh, Miles Garrett is the defensive player of the week, not a surprise. Uh, Dustin Hopkins is the special team player of the week, not a surprise. It's only the second time ever that the Browns have had two players of the week in the same week. Wanna try to guess what year it was the other time? 89.


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[Assistant] Not far off. You're fairly, you're close. You're in the ballpark. 87. You're going further away. 91.


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[Assistant] Who were they? It was Pepper Johnson. Oh wow. Who I think of as a giant. Right. That's where he spent most of his career. And Eric Metcalf.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, he's- We're passing the torch. He's been- From Justin to Dustin. D- Yeah, I'd like that.


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[Assistant] I like him though. He was released? No, but apparently the Raiders want to trade him.


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[Assistant] And yesterday there was a report by Jordan Schultz of the, uh, who's now with Bleacher Report.


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[Assistant] He's reporting that Tennessee's willing to trade anybody. They should. Including. Yeaah. Derrick Henry. Derrick Henry and Deontre Hopkins. What's Henry's contract?


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[Assistant] If you look at his yards per carry, if you take out the Browns game where he had like eight carries for like five yards. They put a lid on him. You take out that game, he's averaging 4.7 yards per carry in the rest of the season.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Make the deal. I'd love to get DeAndre Hopkins too, but he's got a two-year contract, so I doubt he'll do that. Yeah, I know. What the hell, Jimmy? You're the richest man in Cleveland! Or maybe, I don't know, is he the richest man in Cleveland? Probably is.


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[Assistant] Jimmy Haslam. Look at me, Jimmy Haslam. Keep the thing the thing. Your main priority should be the Browns. That's the team you, you, you're the lead owner with. Stop messing around and go get a running back and go get a quarterback. Instead, he's spending a lot of money to help beat


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[Assistant] Cleveland needs you. We need a trade. We need it now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and the men's, that's hurt men's college. It's killed. We don't, we don't know the players die hard. Nope. Because you get to know them. Right. They're gone. Yeah. Cause when we were kids, like you knew guys at least three years, like magic, I think left after three years.


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[Assistant] That's gonna be one of Mike's early questions. So who's gonna start at this round? Tied in. Tied in two. Okay. Is Strews definitely gonna start?


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[Assistant] Did you make? Right, right. If he takes that leap, then it's fine. If he don't make that leap.


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[Assistant] You know, Bull, I didn't know you were applying to be the new AD at Ohio State with Gene Smith retiring, so that's news to me as well. But this game to me, man, it's, it's big. It's big no matter what. Like, you wanna look at Ryan Day first.


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[Assistant] You don't want to be the coach at Ohio State who loses three in a row. Like you don't want that to be on your resume. I wouldn't say fire him, but definitely there may be some conversations about what does Ohio State need to change to win this game. I don't know if firing Ryan Day is the answer if Ohio State is only losing it at this contest.


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[Assistant] I do believe that Ryan Day recently said that everyone's available on defense except for Nathan Ransom. Even Devon Brown, the backup quarterback who got a little bit of run in short yardage situations earlier in the season. He is practicing more this week.


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[Assistant] He's playing. We found out last week that Tommy Eichenberg could have played in the game against Minnesota, but Ryan Day held him out. But having everybody back except Latham Ransom is huge. Of course, if you have Latham Ransom out there, that's a game changer when he's out there playing safety. But health is key for this game. The Buckeyes have had injuries to keep players. Ransom being out, Mike Hall.


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[Assistant] Taliq Williams has been dinged up a little bit, but still out there on the field. Denzel Berka's missed time. Henderson's missed time. Mayan Williams is out for the season. Buka as well. They've had injuries to key guys this year, and it's good to see you're almost at full strength, almost.


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[Assistant] One key guy is out, one guy out I believe in the biggest game of the year.


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[Assistant] You know, this is the first time that I have heard anybody just describe JTT as just okay. I know G, you're a good, you're a good evaluator of football, but just saying he's okay, I'm not, I wasn't expecting that. But one thing I am expecting though,


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[Assistant] Is that Ohio State's interior front is going to be able to slow down Michigan's rush attack. And I'm not saying completely stop it where they're only giving up one and a half yards per carry.


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[Assistant] Good football on the interior, especially against a run. So you got JTT, Jax Hoyer is coming up, a phenomenal game. We could go against Minnesota, so he's riding high. But also there's


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[Assistant] I'm curious to see, you talk about those tight splits and all the fat boys that are going to be out there. I am going to be curious to see how much Cody Simon plays in this game at linebacker.


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[Assistant] Because he's been playing very well. Gotta start a week ago with Eichenberg being out.


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[Assistant] You got Eichenberg back, you got Chambers, but I wonder do they do a 4-3 look or is it Simon coming in situational, uhm, different


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[Assistant] Do they find a way to bring Sonny Stiles closer to the line of scrimmage even with Ransom out of the game? So I do believe that Ohio State can slow down Michigan's rush attack. Uhm, but once again, I gotta go back to that comment I made earlier.


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[Assistant] Can he? Yes. I do believe the answer to that off the top is yes. He can get it done. And I do believe it's not just because Marvin Harrison Jr. is going to be on the field.


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[Assistant] He gets a Mecca Abouka back and healthier than he's been over the past few weeks. And we have seen what those two players have done together and the connection that they have on the field and the chemistry that they have built through practices in the offseason and this year during games.


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[Assistant] I think back to that Notre Dame game. Who got them down to the one yard line? A Kyle McCord throw to Ameca Ibuka in traffic. Ameca Ibuka caught the ball.


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[Assistant] Held on to the ball, didn't lose it. Next thing you know, Chip Traynham's going across the goal line for a touchdown. The game winning touchdown at the end of that game. So yea, I do believe Tyvis that he can get it done. He's been getting better, a lot better over the past few weeks. He's had some setbacks.


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[Assistant] First year being QB1, but that's expected at times, but the numbers up there were one, uh, I think he has what, 2,800 passing yards, uh, four total inter, four interceptions on the season. Don't know the touchdown total, but he's done.


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[Assistant] Right, right, we're going back to stuff that I heard back in like April and May and even in February. No, I think he won the job. I literally think he won the job outright. Even the quarterback competition went into the season.


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[Assistant] Like he, he, he's, uh. Hold on, hold on. So this is, so he's not trash, but JTT's okay. What's your true thought or opinion analysis of Kavacord if he's not trash but JTT just got- Well here's the thing.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, I'm there with you, you gotta run the ball. Ryan Day knows, and he's been talking about the emphasis on running the ball as well, so I think that's a part of their game plan. And I've also, so when Henderson was,


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[Assistant] He was a lone guy out there running the ball. It wasn't really a true two back system or even a three back system. It was Henderson is the guy. He's going to be our, our guy to run the ball 20 plus times, multiple games in a row in the middle of the regular season. And I'm like, maybe Ryan Davis preparing Henderson.


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[Assistant] Not just for, not just to see how healthy he is, but by pairing him for the long stretch leading into the playoffs, where Ryan Day, generally at times, leans on one running back to get the job done. 2019, J.K. Dobbins. 2020, Trey Sermon. Ryan Day wants to lean on one guy, and we're seeing Henderson, a fully healthy Henderson,


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[Assistant] Numbers are stupid. I'm like, oh my gosh, this guy's just doing some insane things on the football field, but he's healthy. But also, it's not just his health.


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[Assistant] He's grown as a football player and some of the things that he was not doing well, he is now doing those very well. So he's growing, but health for him is key. But more important than his health is just his growth as a running back and as a college football player. I think he needs to have.


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[Assistant] So let's do the first, the second one first and I'll definitely, I got a score in my head. I had it in there for a couple of days. For him to win the Heisman.


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[Assistant] Four touchdowns, I mean like, cause he's a receiver, and you gotta have...


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[Assistant] That type of big time game here at this point in the season. If he had, say, 16 or 17 catches, I mean, touchdowns right now and 1,400 receiving yards or 1,500 receiving yards with 80 catches, it'd be different. He's, I can think, over 1,000 receiving yards.


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[Assistant] 62 receptions. He's gonna have to have like a stupid, enormous, monstrous game for that to happen. I don't think it's in the cards. I don't think Ryan Day's gonna wanna throw the-


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[Assistant] I believe in this defense. I believe in what these guys have done all season long on the football field and JTT.


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[Assistant] Jack Sawyer, Tommy Eichenberg, Denzel Burke, all the guys on defense. They have been playing phenomenal, phenomenal football. So I believe in the defense and I believe that they would get the job done also offensively.


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[Assistant] This is a chance for the Buckeyes offense. Fully healthy, Abouka's back, Harrison Jr.'s back to do some phenomenal things as well. I don't think they'll score over


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[Assistant] 24 points. I got Ohio State winning 24 to 10. Michigan fans will hate that. Ohio State fans will love that. But I believe in this defense and I believe in it in such a way that I believe that they will give Michigan fits all afternoon long.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I bailed out early, and not only did I bail out early, I left my shoes at the gym. I was in so much pain. Yeah, I know, my boy Jackson picked them up. It's rough. I'm telling y'all, we're gonna play the video at the end of the show before we go on to WKYC.


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[Assistant] We had a lot of talk about yesterday. It looks very simple. I'm telling y'all my legs are on absolute fire. Like immense soreness in a way that I would not have imagined even humanly possible considering what we did and type is the same thing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, that's part of what I do. You know, I do like day twice a week. I squat. We do. It wasn't anything out of the ordinary. Nothing should make my legs feel like they do right now. And, uh, cause let's see the workout. It was highly recommended if you want to get a burn. Cause it definitely.


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[Assistant] Wow. Definitely feel it. We're gonna get into a bunch of stuff today, but it is, or at least tomorrow is Veterans Day. Yeah. And we'd be remiss if we didn't wish a Happy Veterans Day to everyone out there. We asked.


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[Assistant] So the Giants are 17 point underdogs. Right. The Broncos are 7 on the dot.


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[Assistant] And the Raiders are 10-point underdogs to the Dolphins. No, not the Raiders. That's next week's Thursday Night Football, I apologize. Yeaah, that doesn't count this week.


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[Assistant] Oh, so it's five. Well I asked Jay to six and a half count and Jay said no.


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[Assistant] Right, be nice. And it's fun that these two games are stacked back to back because any questions you have about the Browns, about the Sean Watson, about the legitimacy of any part of this team. Yeah. Kevin's defense, the offensive line, the defense, whatever those questions may be.


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[Assistant] Come not this Monday, but next Monday, we'll have those answers. And if we don't, we're in trouble. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Let's welcome in our quarterback, RQB1, the number one pick in the UCSS fantasy draft, just like the NFL draft in 1999. It is the one and only Tim Couch. What's up, Tim?


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[Assistant] Well, they're still technically backless, but two guys, and that's gonna make keeping Deshaun upright much more difficult. We're gonna talk about that in the TV show coming up at 12.30 on WKYC. Guys, we've done this for every game where it's been close.


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[Assistant] One and two were unanimous, so we'll do those very, very quickly. You guys all submitted your top ten lists. Those were easy. Miles Garrett was number one. And number two was Lamar Jackson. Those were unanimous across the board. We'll give you a take tag board live. I'm gonna update live to make sure it's working. Miles Garrett was one. Is it gonna work?


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[Assistant] Update live. There you go. Lamar Jackson's too, so tag board's working. That's good. After that. Is that a Y or a V in Miles Garrett?


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[Assistant] No unanimous answers. Really? Very different across the board. Jay, your fourth player wasn't on anyone else's list.


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[Assistant] No kidding. So, let's go through and let's vote. Wow. Who's the third best player in the game on Sunday?


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[Assistant] I had Roquan's with too. You did, but it was not unanimous, so there was no three people. Oh, I thought you said no consensus. Yeah, no, no, there was for a couple of these, but Roquan because two votes.


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[Assistant] Wow. Third. He's way down on my list. Even with that, we had two votes for Roquan Smith, so Roquan gets our third spot. Roquan wins. Alright? Number four now. I had Roquan at four.


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[Assistant] So we did, so I did a little composite. Jay, you had Mark Andrews at number 7. But we did a composite. I gave a point. So 10 points if you were voted first, 9 second down the list.


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[Assistant] And with that, because of G's high grade for Amari Cooper, Amari Cooper came in at number four on our list.


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[Assistant] One through four is Myles Garrett Lamar Rokon Amari, who we going with number five.


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[Assistant] So one for Andrews, one for Stone. Gee, you're the tiebreaker. Andrews or Stone?


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[Assistant] What's the, what is it Mike? He's 16 for 19. His only misses have come from 56, 57 and 58. Wow, that's still pretty damn good.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he did. Patrick Queen's 15th in the league and tackles with 75 right now. That's a, that's a lot, guys. Top 15.


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[Assistant] Patrick Queen does have three and a half sacks though, which is pretty high for a linebacker. Yea, I like them, I like them a lot.


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[Assistant] Maurice Hirsch just had a great season. One guy you guys are forgetting, and this is a big omission by all of you guys, Justin Matabeke of the Ravens has more sacks in the defensive tackle position than anyone else. Oh, we also forgot about Owe. Owe was on your list, he was number 6 bowl, and no one else had him on their list. There's a lot of good players in this game is what this is coming down.


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[Assistant] He has 45 catches right now for 472 yards, diverging 10 and a half yards per catch in one touchdown.


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[Assistant] So that means, and we'll go through top to bottom.


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[Assistant] Number one, Myles Garrett, two Lamar, three Roquan, four Amari, five Denzel. So on the first five, three two Browns. Wow. In the second part of the draft.


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[Assistant] Which is just a tiny bit different than when you guys submitted your initial list. It was a dead even 5-5 split.


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[Assistant] Now Joel Batonio because G had him fourth on his list.


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[Assistant] Guys, yesterday we talked about a lot of the advanced metrics with the Browns defense and the Ravens defense. Why they have been so good this season. And one I held out intentionally was something I needed for this. And here's your first stat of the day.


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[Assistant] Three and out rates. The most important thing a defense can do if they're not creating turnovers, get the other team off the field as quickly as you can. The Browns.


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[Assistant] That's first in the NFL by 11 points. Second in the NFL is the Saints at 46%. It is the highest three and out rate I could find on PFF.


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[Assistant] Going back year by year by year by year. For how many years? Could not find it. As far as PFF tracked it, it's the highest three in outright. And just to give you a little context.


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[Assistant] Yeah, good question. I wanted to know that too. All I can tell, well, I'll look that up in one sec, but here's what you do need to know, the difference between 1 and 2, from the Browns to the Saints, 1 to 11%, that's the same difference of 2 to 14. That's crazy. So that's how much better the Browns are than any other team in the NFL when it comes to forcing.


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[Assistant] I can tell you that real quick. I can't find the graphic that had them all without pulling up 6,000 tabs a ball. I'll get you the Ravenstead offline, but they're not one or two, I can tell you that. The first time these two teams played,


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[Assistant] Baltimore on third er, oh you want three and outs not third down. I have to go back and look. That's a tough one to find.


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[Assistant] Oh boy, I got it. Hold on. Let me do the math. I found it. Baltimore forcing three and outs is, or am I? Oh, they're, they're, they're one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. They're 10, 10. That's surprising.


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[Assistant] Jerome Ford, we talked about it, but uh, I'm gonna say, yikes. Her next-gen stats.


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[Assistant] Jerome Ford has a 4.74 efficiency rating as a running back. That is the fourth lowest efficiency rating in the NFL. And here's the issue.


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[Assistant] He's getting three and a half seconds or 3.15 seconds behind the line of scrimmage before contact.


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[Assistant] That is the most time behind the line of scrimmage in the NFL on average. Essentially means he is dancing and you can see the play in the graphic here. There are holes. This man dances.


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[Assistant] It's a bit indecisive before making any type of decision. The only running backs in the league less efficient than Jerome Ford this season, Cam Akers, who's been horrendous. Tyler Alagier, who has not been good, had a great rookie season last year. Alagier.


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[Assistant] Great last year, not good this year, and Damian Pearce who's been an atrocity for Houston Texans.


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[Assistant] That when your quarterback has more time receivers have more time to get open. It's a good thing. Right.


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[Assistant] But that's not necessarily the case against the Ravens. Take a look at this. Opposing quarterbacks have a negative 141 EPA.


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[Assistant] When the opposing quarterback is more than two and a half seconds in the pocket to throw the ball. That is absurd. One touchdown, seven interception on those attempts and a league low 5.1 yards per attempt when the quarterback has time.


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[Assistant] Their cornerbacks are sticky, their safeties are everywhere. Second lowest in the league, Jacksonville at minus 76.5. They're twice as good essentially as any team when the quarterback isn't getting the ball out quick.


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[Assistant] Deshaun Watson, as good as he can be, and as good as he has been in Houston.


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[Assistant] His strong suit was never getting the ball that quickly. He's the guy that likes to hold the ball, read the defense, make things happen. His average time to throw this season, 3.08 seconds. His quickest time to throw this season in the game was last week against Arizona at 2.8. Both of those would fall into the.


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[Assistant] Don't do this against Baltimore. Category Bull, I told you yesterday, why is this the Elijah Moore game?


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[Assistant] Cause they're going to have to get the ball out quick, especially with the banged up offensive line. Quick short passes. Everything has to be out in a hurry. This is why Elijah Moore is going to break out and break out like 40 yards on eight catches.


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[Assistant] Alright, next up, the biggest stride Lamar has made this season, which is taking him from a good quarterback back into the MVP conversation, is how he's handled pressure. Against the Blitz this season, Lamar has been absolutely


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[Assistant] Elite on the years 38 of 67 passing when blitzed slash under pressure for 669 yards, five touchdowns, one interception. He has an 11.8 big time throw percentage. That's the type of my bad percentage under pressure. That's best in the NFL by 2%. When we did this, the first time we did this, I thought about how bad he was historically against pressure.


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[Assistant] Well, it's been the opposite this year. I don't know if it's Todd Monkin. I don't know if it's Lamar just becoming that next progression in his quarterback play, but he's been great under pressure this season. And we know the Browns, they don't blitz a lot, but they get pressure as well as any team in the league with four or five guys.


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[Assistant] It's been his Achilles Heel previously, it's been what he's best against this year.


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[Assistant] Last one, I mentioned this guy's name a couple times, he is my, I guess, opponent crush of the week.


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[Assistant] The matchup to watch this weekend in the trench, because the tackles are so iffy, is going to be Wyatt Teller vs. Justin Maddabike. Last week against Arizona, Teller was stellar. 34 pass blocking snaps, zero pressures allowed, zero sacks.


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[Assistant] We didn't mention Madame BK in the top 10 draft, that's a big miss out of you guys. He has a sack in 6 straight games.


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[Assistant] He also beat Taylor, you can see that for a sack in week four. And when he plays Cleveland, he has a damn near 90 grade on PFF in eight career games. Uh, seven career games, excuse me. This guy has been everywhere on the field this year. It's his best season as a pro. And Justin Metabeeke a guy. You gotta mention that.


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[Assistant] Couple super chats, Nick Lopez says happy birthday to my fellow Marines. Happy 248th birthday to the United States Marine Corps. Buff Gaming also says happy Marine Corps birthday and happy Marine Corps birthday from everyone here at UCSS. Halim Youssef said for all


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[Assistant] For all but one team, if you play the Browns, you lose the following because our physicality. Ravens will lose to the Bengals on Thursday night. If we pull this out, it'll be huge. Daryl says, WKYC channel three, UCSS is lit. Kool and Mafia in the building. 2720, that's my final pick. Setapart last says, this may be the first time this show is hitting on all cylinders. Y'all are on fire today. And, uh,


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[Assistant] SquidVetOhio says that turtleneck needs to be circumcised.


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[Assistant] Jason and Travis have done in their careers, but it's also what Travis is doing in Kansas City. He has an amazing charity called Operation Breakthrough and that. So what he does in Kansas City with Operation Breakthrough. I've been doing things in Cleveland with the U.S. Marshals.


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[Assistant] With Operation Safety Net finding uh, abused and trafficked kids through the East Cleveland area in particular.


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[Assistant] Travis Kelsey and the Kelsey family have taken it to an awesome new level with Operation Breakthrough in Kansas City where they're helping underprivileged kids and families with daycare and with the daycare they're teaching so many life skills from


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[Assistant] A lot of what I do with my health and wellness now with Mr. and Mrs. Kelsey, you know, talking about to them and their boys about some of my health and wellness stuff. So being there and being in town and Taylor, Taylor was there, um, um, visiting her boyfriend.


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[Assistant] Where is this party? Is that at his house?


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[Assistant] So you know what's super amazing about that? And, and again, it's out of respect. You know, I don't want to overly, you know, talk about stuff like that. Sure, that's fair. But I, I will go back to when I played football. Okay. And this is answering your question. Yeah. So when I played football before a game,


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[Assistant] Gee, the night before a game in particular, locked away at a hotel, uhm, being able to, uhm,


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[Assistant] Try to talk and pay attention to, but that was before the game.


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[Assistant] Again, it's not to be talking about that and in particular to try to be cool or to try to promote something, but


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[Assistant] I've been called by so many old men, okay, about how now it's cool, uh, that their daughters or their granddaughters are. And if I could say something about Taylor Swift, well, we know the Kelseys are spectacular.


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[Assistant] But how she is as a person, I mean she's even more genuine in giving and back as a genuine person. It was a super honor to be a part of that.


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[Assistant] Well, and then what we talked about unfortunately last week. It all came true.


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[Assistant] You know, when you practice, you could, you could structure your practice, you could structure how you play, you could know the cameras right there, I could look right into it, I could step into it. But in the game, you know, you get out of whack and out of, uh, you don't have your arm and body in perfect positions.


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[Assistant] And that was right in and around when again, I don't want to hug you, bull, but I'm, you know, he's running left and then, you know, we're looking and we're going to throw the sideline or we're going to throw it away towards the camera here.


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[Assistant] But instead, you want to look back, and you want to throw it across your body, and for young quarterbacks, you're not really supposed to. And with a micro tear of the rotator cuff, it makes it exponentially, uhm, more challenging. And when we talked about involuntary muscle twitches,


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[Assistant] Last week, that's absolutely when that happens, and it's not his fault, that just happens, and he saw the 70% velocity on that ball that couldn't get over the guy's head, so.


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[Assistant] Well again, maybe if history left onto itself, if we knew what we knew today, three or four weeks ago, maybe we would have done that. But they went through this with Baker.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the inflammation at first, probably. We now know it's a micro tear, which... Right, we didn't know it first. Okay, and that, that, and that's not blaming any of the docs, that's not blaming...


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[Assistant] Uh, Deshawn or the Browns because with massive inflammation to find a micro tear is massively challenging. So that could take a few days to a week or so. And then you, uhm,


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[Assistant] Don't make that decision to turn it down.


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[Assistant] In my mind, not knowing, I do not have, I do not have inside information on this, but just looking at it, I concur.


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[Assistant] You've asked a question, okay, of that. So, we're fortunate to be four and two. The football gods love us so much the last two weeks to get two miracle wins that we maybe shouldn't have had, but we got them, so that's all that matters. Okay, so.


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[Assistant] P.J. Walker's the quarterback and I love the Browns announced it yesterday and he's the quarterback. He can only deal with today and this week.


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[Assistant] So from the Browns perspective and PJ Walker's confidence, self-esteem, and even though NFL quarterbacks are supposed to have massive confidence, this You Matter is here for a reason. Self-confidence and self-esteem is lacking on all of us. And we want PJ Walker to have as much as possible this week.


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[Assistant] Should they be telling us today before that? No, they should not be. They should be doing exactly what they're doing. I love it. Cause PJ Walker must have confidence. The team must believe that PJ Walker could do that.


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[Assistant] So I've had such a chaotic last week that my level of detail down to that is he's not the wrong guy because obviously he knows the system and he's been here. To say he's the only guy, I'm not paying attention that much to NFL football.


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[Assistant] I don't think that much the starting guy, the guy who's the man on the team, shies away from it that much in a macro sense. And just flat out from a specific stance of Deshaun Watson, okay, I'm not his marketing guy.


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[Assistant] I was that guy, did not matter how much I got, I hated not being able to play.


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[Assistant] So I would try to go play. And the people who say Deshaun Watson doesn't want to play because he's hurt, doesn't want to play because it's pain, that's wrong. Are you surprised Brady Quinn said that? Well, I'm surprised because look, I'm limited in knowledge sometimes. He's not here, so he doesn't maybe know.


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[Assistant] Then we got that scub to whatever those words are that I can't pronounce now on a muscle tear. It's a micro tear.


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[Assistant] It's a micro tear, it's not getting better. So, Deshawn's problem is whether he even waits three or four weeks. Jay, when he comes back, they're gonna jam him into the ground and it'll probably still become a rotator cuff surgery.


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[Assistant] That is a full rotator in December and January that would inhibit him being ready in August of next year. So, it's not about his pain.


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[Assistant] It's, it's not about him not wanting to play. You could see he wanted to play. I could see actually me and him talking the coaches into him saying, hey, I'm capable of playing. I can make the plays.


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[Assistant] But flat out when PJ Walker in the fourth quarter had to hit that fade on second and ten and drop it over to corner short ahead before the safety killed him.


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[Assistant] P.J. Walker's 100% arm was barely strong enough to make that throw that helped the Browns win the game. When Deshaun was rolling left, it wasn't because he wasn't tough, it wasn't because he was turning it down, his shoulder involuntary switched and turned it down and didn't allow him.


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[Assistant] And that's, if it's a, again, I haven't seen the, the MRI, but if it is a micro tear, it's not guaranteed that that heals in six to eight weeks. That's not a guarantee. So yeaah, we could chill for six weeks, that may not be.


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[Assistant] The most optimistic thing's gonna happen, but...


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[Assistant] Again, to see, to see him using it. And again, this is one of my least favorite phrases, doctors.


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[Assistant] In a micro tear, you can and you will probably do more damage. We've had several surgeons tell us specifically that you can't. If it's, if we want to pretend it's not a micro tear and it's a muscle,


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[Assistant] Okay, then that could heal. That will heal, probably in six weeks or so.


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[Assistant] A week or ten days ago it was a micro tear and two days ago it was a muscle thing that I can't pronounce all those consonants.


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[Assistant] I'm, I'm concerned for him as a Q. I'm concerned for the team and it's not, and again, fans, it's not his lack of toughness. He's tough. This is a deep injury that forced me into retirement.


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[Assistant] Oh, Tim's shoulders. God bless. That's as tough a guy as we know. God, I'll get tears in my eyes. I love him so much. He is tough. And a lot of his career, because just like the bake thing, Tim even more so. God, his career, he always went out there. He always dialed it up and Tim counts his arm.


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[Assistant] See, with an involuntary twitch at 90% was better than most, and he kept going until it-


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[Assistant] Okay, so a lot of times, I say the joke, uhm, we gotta be protected from ourselves. Right.


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't know if I lied anymore in my life than I was when you were trying to play football to get out onto the football field. You know, I just wanted to be out there. There was nothing more. That's partly why you're, you know, I do so much of this wellness stuff because you're so, you dealt with issues that you shouldn't have put yourself through.


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[Assistant] Yeah, to me, to me, I, I would super be watching practice. I could talk, I know I could talk my coaches through this and BS my way. So say, no, I'm saving it. Oh, I got 20% more. That was just 80, but.


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause in 90 minutes the bullets are flying and I gotta know you gotta lob that fade, um, down there in the box, 25 yards.


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[Assistant] And then people say, well, shoot it up like I shot it up. Shoot up a cortisone and numb it and stuff. Okay? Don't do cortisone. I have better stuff than that that's actually legal and healthy, okay? Follow me on that.


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[Assistant] Again, the involuntary twitch takes over. So even if you feel healthy, you're still gonna miss and your arm's gonna shut down a half dozen of those throws. That throw...


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[Assistant] That we saw Deshaun trying to make. Okay, he's not making that anymore this football season.


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[Assistant] Even if he comes back. You don't think? Somehow he can't put himself in that spot. That will, that will amplify and that puts complete isolation on the rotator cuff. Coming, running this way, trying to throw back at the other camera. I mean, it hurts me. It probably hurts you.


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[Assistant] And it could happen over the weekend. I mean, you know, they're trying people. Lookit, if we have somebody locked in and they know they're going to part with them, we don't want them playing on Sunday for another team. That's right.


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[Assistant] The NFL guys, we're good at compartmentalize. Let us guys deal with it at the moment. They don't need, they don't need to hypothesize like we are right now. Especially your Q, who for the first time knows on Wednesday, he's the quarterback. PJ knows.


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[Assistant] I actually think they've been on it before the interception. I think the interception was, uhm, not just the interception, the line, the, just the realization that you gotta get in uncomfortable, uh, positions, that that was the defining line in the sand. Right. To where they, they're probably already


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[Assistant] You know, in some way, done the right way, you could try to galvanize the team to be able to, to weather the storm.


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[Assistant] Yeah, absolutely, and uhm, I've been, I've been super positive towards Coach Kevin and have gotten some flack in some other spaces in my life and stuff. Sure. And again, like, like Deshaun, I'm not his marketing rep, but,


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[Assistant] To also have kind of the courage to, uhm, not put Deshaun back in.


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[Assistant] In the indie game, you just kind of ride, and to ride it out.


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[Assistant] Without him playing when, if he was cleared to go back in and he made that decision. And then Bulls, kinda to your point, he probably saw tendencies of that in the pregame warmups, that sauce wasn't there. Again, can't blame him.


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[Assistant] I was not right, young kids. I was not right in my ways. I spoke sometimes to my head coaches when I decided that I wanted to play. So I did not make it.


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[Assistant] If you didn't let him touch your shoulder, like if you didn't let him see the issue, when I broke my ankle on Monday night TV, they didn't get a chance to look at it. So they just didn't see it.


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[Assistant] The left arm is massively challenging and happened a lot.


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[Assistant] Did you have it too? Oh god, yeaah. Because you're leading into it and I was pretty adept because I knew I was getting hit all the time to making sure this was the shoulder that took him and I tried to learn to fall on these so this one always was messed up.


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[Assistant] So that throws it off. But again, it's whether it's Baker coming out and playing at 90% or again, man, Tim Couch. You know how much I love him. Okay, and how much more, even forget my personal love for him, my awesome respect for him as a quarterback and to have his career


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[Assistant] Right, so they, they don't, they, they're at the mercy of the docks and stuff, which is probably a good more than 50%. Especially when you're able, more than 50% that the player has that.


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[Assistant] No, because both of them were obsessively wanting to play that what they both wanted was the same thing. That's true. Yeaah. They both wanted the same thing so that obsessiveness to get it done.