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[Assistant] What's to come in the near future, but for this year in 2022, you'll see


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[Assistant] You know, those three products that I, that I just talked about and that's kind of, uh, what we're getting ready to launch here in the near future, so.


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[Assistant] And I think the one thing that Dave just said that's really important is that, you know, he said improve your lighting system, improve your sleep system, your shelter system. That's really the approach that we're taking as a brand as we kind of build these products is like, how does, how does the trekking pole integrate into your sleep system, right? Your shelter that you have.


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[Assistant] Everything that we're trying to do and build, we're trying to build so that they work in harmony with each other.


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[Assistant] So that you do have one complete system that you can take with you into the backcountry and it all works together. It creates the most livable backcountry home that you can imagine and keeps you on the mountain and hopefully increases your odds of success.


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[Assistant] I think you're, I think you're more in the know than even Corey is on that topic there, Randy. We just had you into the shop the other day and you got to peek behind the curtain a little bit at a few other things.


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[Assistant] That's right. That's why we, uh, that's why we pulled the curtain back a little bit further and let you peek behind it a little bit to see what was, what was coming after the, the TP in the stove, so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he, he happened to, he happened to stumble in at the most opportune time and, uh, get to see some of the things that we were working on.


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[Assistant] Well, and I think that out story, when you, when you think about it, I had a great conversation, Randy, with our good friend Bart May. I don't know what it was, maybe a year ago, and we were talking about this whole balance between, you know, weight and,


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[Assistant] You know, the things that you, the necessities that you need in your pack and everything. And he said, well, let's be honest. All of us could.


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[Assistant] And you know, if, that's true, right? Like get out, go hike, exercise, lose the weight, right? And then...


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[Assistant] Put that gear in your pack, you know, the, the pound that your trekking poles weigh. I'm sure we could all shave a pound off our mid sections and.


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[Assistant] You know, and be, be neutral on that. So, it's uh, fitness comes into play I think a lot too, so that you don't have to worry about, you know, shaving down your toothbrush to just the end or leaving stuff at home that you don't need.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so, you know, at the beginning we talked about this teepee that we tested out on the hunts that we went on.


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[Assistant] Uhm, we thought it'd be a great opportunity for, for those who are participating and watching in the Destination Elk series to get a chance to win one of those TP's. So.


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[Assistant] More news will be shared about how to win one. But, uh, yeaah. You're gonna get an opportunity to...


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[Assistant] We'll get all that sent out if they want to go to the website and sign up for the newsletter down at the bottom. They can do that. Uhm, we'll be posting it all on social and I think that you guys are going to help us as well. So I think anybody that's interested is going to have an opportunity. That's awesome.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so it's a four-man teepee structure, so four guys can fit comfortably inside of it. Uhm, with your gear, with all your gear in it, my brother, my nephew and I, we camped out in it with all of our gear.


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[Assistant] And rifles. So three of us with all of our gear was in it. And, uh, so it's a four, four man probably with a little bit of gear. Three man with all of your gear. When the stove's in it, it's probably best to just have two guys in it.


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[Assistant] The weight all in was about three and a half pounds. That included the floor.


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[Assistant] So you know, you can't really stand up in it because the TP walls do kind of slant down, but you can, you can stand up and kind of hunch over when you need to. Uh, but there's so much head space in there and especially when you integrate the trekking poles up into the top of the TP, it kind of pooches out that head space and gives you.


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[Assistant] It's uh, it's gonna be an awesome TP, we're super stoked about it.


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[Assistant] Those should launch really quick. So if people are interested in that, we'll have information up on the website about the first of.


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[Assistant] Around, what do we say Brinker, the? February 1st. February, around February 1st that they can start to get a peek at it.


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[Assistant] I don't think so. Not that we know of. I mean, when we do our research on it, you know, everybody's going to the non-hunting brands to get their headlamps. And uhm, you know, we really, that was one of the really primary drivers behind us wanting to do a headlamp. That and some of the features of it that kind of


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[Assistant] And, you know, the biggest complaint I just think that we heard was


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[Assistant] You know, a lot of them are made of a plastic material and they step on them and they break or they just parts break on them. They don't have the red lights that are bright enough for hunters to be able to navigate in the dark without worrying about spooking game animals.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then just, you know, the, the longevity of the battery life. So, you know, those were the problems that we really looked at solving when we were going to build this headlamp. And uhm, I think we did.


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[Assistant] I mean I'm biased obviously, but I think we did a great job of solving those issues for the hunter.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, we learned that we're going to have to put a little insert in the box that says, do not look into headlamps.


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[Assistant] It's the, it's the brightest single die LED available on the market. So it can shine really bright.


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[Assistant] So the capacity of the brightest of lumen output would be a thousand lumens. Very cool.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, any product that we're building, we're trying to keep the hunter in mind. I mean, our trekking poles are another example of that. You know, the biggest dilemma I think that hunters had with trekking poles is you either went the ultra lightweight with carbon fiber for the whole thing or aluminum where you were having a 50% weight penalty to have something more durable.


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[Assistant] You know, we just tried to solve that, right? So we had the carbon fiber upper sections and the aluminum lower and it kind of is the best of both worlds.


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[Assistant] And meets those specific needs of a hunter that's, I mean, let's face it, hunters are a lot harder on their equipment than I think back country through hikers are that tend to stay on the trails and designated routes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and we did a lot of research, you know, some of the, some of the medical papers out there on the benefits of trekking poles that uhm, they did a study, one of the, one of the research papers that we read where they actually did put weight on these uhm, individuals and, and tested the


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[Assistant] The reduction in impact of their joints from their ankle bone to their knee to their hip sockets and it was something like a 40% reduction in impact from the use of trekking poles going especially downhill obviously where when you have that those heavy impacts so.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, that's, that's where the, that's where the name came from. I mean, uh, you know, our good friend here in town who's a, a foot doctor, a podiatrist, JD Clark, uhm, that's, that's where the name came from. He has always been a super strong kind of macho guy and, you know, he's into his late sixties now and


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[Assistant] Thanks guys. Thanks for letting us come on today. We appreciate it. And thanks for the opportunity to be a part of Destination Elk. And we're super excited to see these episodes launch. So. Absolutely. Thanks. Thanks guys. Yep. We'll catch you guys in the next episode. Okay. See you later guys.


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[Assistant] Let's jump into it. Good morning, Corey Jacobson.


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[Assistant] I thought you were going to say they called you a half hour later and said, we got a buck down. And I would have thought, you know, I bet the hunting's phenomenal. And they're calling Randy and saying, Oh, weather's bad. You probably just need to stay home.


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[Assistant] Concerned about the weather going in and you just, you never know, especially in the back country, the closest weather station we had was


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[Assistant] Thirty miles away or something and so we just, you know, we didn't have an accurate read on the weather and.


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[Assistant] This time of year you can get socked in and get two feet of snow overnight and three miles over it's 60 degrees and warm. So.


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[Assistant] We, uh, you know, travel was a concern, just getting the truck with a trailer full of llamas over a pass we needed to go over and then drop down lower, uh,


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[Assistant] And then, you know, just worrying about if we got a bunch of snow being able to get out. So I bought some really nice chains. I've got some cheap chains for my truck, but I bought some really nice, you know, get you out of anything type chains.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and uh, so we, we knew that there was going to be some weather. We had a couple backup places and.


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[Assistant] This area we were going into, I'd actually shed hunted it and it's in the middle of nowhere.


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[Assistant] And I knew the elk were going to be up higher this time of year than where they were in March and April. So we kind of made a plan to take the llamas and.


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[Assistant] Drive in and then pack in about eight miles up over the top of a mountain and down into the area that would put us in reach of where these elk were.


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[Assistant] 3D imaging does not always accurately represent what the area looks like. So we were going over, I think the, the pass we had to hike over was, I think it was 7,400 feet.


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[Assistant] And then we're going to drop down to around 6,000 feet and then hunt down the ridges from there.


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[Assistant] And so we got all unloaded and we'd gotten a snowstorm. What was it?


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[Assistant] Three nights, four nights, somewhere in there, somewhere within a week, we'd gotten a big snowstorm before we went in.


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[Assistant] And I was a little nervous driving the trailer in, but we got up there, realized the past we had to drive over there was.


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[Assistant] You know, chains are kind of one of those things that I don't like to put chains on to drive. I like to use chains to get out of whatever pickle you got into. Cause if you're getting a pickle with chains on, then you're done.


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[Assistant] Incredible. I mean, the, you get these llamas. I've never been around llamas other than two years ago when we rented them. Uhm, you know, we got four good ones in, so I thought, well, we're getting four different ones now and I'm not familiar with them.


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[Assistant] Those things are just, they are well trained, well oiled machines and we got them out, loaded everything on them and we had four of them.


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[Assistant] And we headed in and so I was leading two of them. Donnie was leading two of them.


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[Assistant] And Donnie catches up to me after, you know, I waited for him a little bit. He was behind and.


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[Assistant] He catches up and said, we need to do something different. This one back here is just acting up like crazy and like, well, what's going on? He's like, he just wants to be with the group.


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[Assistant] And he's like, you're going too fast up the mountain. I can't keep up and the llama wants to keep up. So we, uh, we ended up tethering all four of them together and solved every problem there. The one llama just didn't like being where he couldn't see the others. So.


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[Assistant] Good location, uh, there was probably six inches of snow right there where we were camped.


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[Assistant] But we decided to camp on the side of the mountain closer to the truck rather than going over the top, just knowing that


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[Assistant] If we camped on the other side and a big storm came in, we would be locked in there with no way to get around.


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[Assistant] So we got camp all set up and, uh, next morning got up and hiked over the top and got down on this ridge. We had, you know, did some, some e-scouting on and.


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[Assistant] It was perfect, open ridge, open basin, I mean just absolutely what you would think late season those elk would, would be in.


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[Assistant] Uh, and I got a little nervous because in the two miles we hiked from camp to get over onto this ridge, we didn't see a single elk track.


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[Assistant] And we got on the ridge and finally cut two bull tracks and they had been within the last two days. I thought, all right, there's, there's bulls in here.


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[Assistant] And we ended up hiking all the way down this ridge. I don't know what elevation we dropped down to probably around 5,000 feet and we could see all the way down to where we shed hunted in the spring. Uh huh. And we didn't see an L.


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[Assistant] And we were there, you know, first thing in the morning, perfect glassing opportunity.


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[Assistant] Uh, every single little vantage point we came to, we'd stop and grid, and we weren't even seeing tracks in the snow on the opposite hillside. So I started getting a little nervous, and uh, so we went back up, uh, that night, well that afternoon, we decided to hike up.


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[Assistant] Somebody has to walk all the way back to camp, get the lawns, come all the way back in and then pack the meat out. So we did it a little smarter this time.


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[Assistant] And, uh, we dropped down on this next ridge thinking, okay, if the elk aren't on this one, they've got to be on the backside already. And we could see tracks crossing on the main mountain there, dropping down the ridge, but there weren't very many. There were four or five cow tracks and one or two bull tracks that had been through there since the last snowstorm.


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[Assistant] And so the next morning, we didn't see anything that day. We didn't see a single elk headed back to camp. The next morning we got up and went back up into that same base and we had started in thinking those two bulls are in there somewhere.


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[Assistant] And so we made a big hunt through there, didn't catch up to them at all anywhere.


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[Assistant] No seventy two hundred feet elevation we followed him down to probably fifty two fifty four hundred feet elevation they're still going down at that point we're pretty much out of the snow and you're not able to track him anymore.


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[Assistant] And we had our, our in reaches and so we did a updated weather and it said massive snow storm coming in, you know, big snow and I'm looking at it going, okay, we've got this mountain top we're on. There's already 16 inches of snow. They're predicting 12 inches of snow at a thousand feet lower than we are.


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[Assistant] So I said, well, what, let's, uh, let's do this. We're just going to stay in the tents tonight. We'll wake up in the morning, see what the weather does. And if we need to, we'll pack out.


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[Assistant] So during the night, I can hear what I think is...


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[Assistant] And the wind is howling like crazy. I'm hearing trees falling, you know, it's blowing trees over and then it gets quiet. And I'm thinking.


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[Assistant] Fortunately, we camped on the right side of the mountain. If we'd have been on the back side, I think we'd have probably packed up that night and tried to get out. Uh, but we were on the right side and we decided to wait the storm out and see what it brought the next morning and then make a decision whether to pack out or keep hunting.


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[Assistant] And through the night, you know, when I, I went to bed probably nine 30 or so, and the wind was just starting to pick up and for the next probably two hours.


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[Assistant] The wind was just whipping, you know, you could hear it up on the ridge tops just whistling up there. And then all of a sudden a big gust would come up through the, the draw we were in and trees were snapping off. You know, there was a burn up above us. So all day when the wind would blow, we could hear trees falling, but now we're down kind of in the draw.


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[Assistant] And trees are falling up above camp. In fact, one time I heard a tree fall close enough to where we were.


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[Assistant] You know, so it didn't get much sleep there and then things went quiet and I figured, okay, you know, the storm blew in and now it must be snowing. And every once in a while I could hear what I thought was snow.


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[Assistant] Anyway, I wasn't really sure what we were in for the next morning, but I woke up and looked up on the tent and we were using one of Bo's.


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[Assistant] I don't know, 700, 800 feet in elevation that we had to go up to get to the top. I'm sure there was another 16 on top of the 16 that was there and so.


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[Assistant] We, uh, we made the decision to pack out.


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[Assistant] And, uh, left the llamas just tied up at the trailer and then we drove down the road that we had driven in on.


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[Assistant] So we decided to relocate and we had a good backup area that would get us access to a lot of good ridges below the snow line, out of the storm.


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[Assistant] Uh, where we figured the elk should be kind of moving into winter. So we, uh, we drove, it was probably an hour and a half, two hours with the truck and trailer.


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[Assistant] And made it down to the bottom we had one pass to go up and it was just a pretty, i wouldn't say nasty but it was fairly steep.


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[Assistant] Half a mile to go to make it up to the pass and, uh, I'm going up this hill thinking, yeah, this is iffy. Like if we lose traction, we start sliding backwards things could get.


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[Assistant] In control to keep the trailer from jackknifing and I did pretty good for about...


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[Assistant] We jackknifed there in the middle of the hill. The trailer, fortunately, there's a little bit of a berm and it wasn't like it was dangerous, like we're going off a drop off or anything, but we were getting close to going off the road and


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[Assistant] And, uh, we actually unloaded the llamas out of it so that I could go down the hill without worrying about it pushing us off the road again. And, uh, drove down, I don't know, maybe close to a half a mile and Donnie and John walked the llamas down and we got them in there and everything was good. Other than the fact that we couldn't make it over the pass to get where we wanted to go.


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[Assistant] And at this point we are at I think 2200 feet in elevation.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we went in about four and a half miles and on the way in.


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[Assistant] The problem is it was a DeWalt chainsaw with batteries. So it's, uh, it's got limited. Oh no, I charged up both batteries. We were, uh, I had, I could cut 180 pressure treated four by four posts with the battery power that I had.


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[Assistant] But I'm looking at this tree and I've got a 12 inch bar on the chainsaw and the tree's probably about 30 inches across. It's a big one. That doesn't work very well. It's on a hillside that's steep enough that I'm thinking I'm going to need a rope attached to a tree up there to tie around my waist to be able to sit up and cut this thing where I need to.


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[Assistant] There's probably a good 60 feet of the tree above the trail that's going to come sliding down and when it hits that cedar tree, it's going to spin.


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[Assistant] I spent probably 15 minutes just making paths over to rocks that I could run and jump behind. So if the, if things do go sideways, I'm not getting steamrolled by a couple tons of red fir firewood and still on the log form.


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[Assistant] I, you know, I finally, I'm making a couple cuts and then I'm kind of jumping back to see what it does and I go make a couple cuts and jump back and it finally breaks loose and wedges just like we want it to. It drives the upper part of the tree right into the bench so that it's not going any farther down and now we just have the lower part to contend with.


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[Assistant] Oh man. We're two hours into this. The batteries are all dead.


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[Assistant] And I'm like, I have no energy. I can't even lift that rock to throw at it. And John says, I'll throw it. So he picks up the rock, walks over and throws it at the log and the log breaks in half.


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[Assistant] We, uh, we have an access point through the trail now. So we hook onto the log that's still above the trail and we, you know, it takes us another 10 minutes to get it moved out of the trail.


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[Assistant] We got it, got the llamas turned around and continue up and, uh, the trail leaves the flat along the river. And I've been in steep country, you know, the Alaska stuff, all that. We're in a burn and it is incredibly steep.


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[Assistant] And if we leave the creek bottom here, there's not going to be a place to camp, like literally not even a flat spot to put a tent out. And we're not close to the water for the llamas, so that was our only option to set camp there. So we got camp set up, tied up the llamas, and we had about an hour at most of daylight left, so


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[Assistant] We burned up the trail. I think we climbed about 800 feet in elevation in about 30 minutes.


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[Assistant] And got up to where we could see the entire drainage and we set up there in glass and we had spotting scope, we had my 18 power monoculars.


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[Assistant] We have no other access to get in anywhere in here. This is it. And we can either continue up the trail, cross the canyon and get up on the other side tomorrow.


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[Assistant] So we pulled out the inreach again, updated the weather and.


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[Assistant] It's showing a high the next day of 34 degrees with 100% chance of showers, snow until 11 o'clock turning to rain from 11 o'clock on.


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[Assistant] But I'd never walked away before the last day that we were scheduled to hunt.


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[Assistant] I know what the fog's like in here. Our only chance of finding an elk is spotting it two miles away and then trying to make a play on it.


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[Assistant] And it is steep enough in here that with this snow and rain on top of that, that.


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[Assistant] It's dark at this point. We spent the next hour and a half loading up camp on the llamas.


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[Assistant] We drove home in an absolute blizzard the next day, the whole way home, uh, we got stopped twice from bad road conditions, one time a semi was across the road in front of us and,


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[Assistant] You know, I always have regret when I do something like that, but, uh, I didn't have regrets on this one. I think we made the right choice. Yeah. Well, what did they say?


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[Assistant] Something would happen and we would have, we would have shot an elk, but just knowing the conditions we were in, the country we were in.


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[Assistant] It wasn't the right decision we weren't in the right place to be hunting that time of year.


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[Assistant] Like we'd hoped for. We were a week late. Had we been there a week earlier, the season wasn't open a week earlier, but had we been there a week earlier, uh, it would have been a different hunt for sure. Huh. Wow.


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[Assistant] That's an adventure, Corey. Yeah. So then I, then I spent the next day driving to, uh, seven hours to Idaho falls to drop the llamas off and then back home.


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[Assistant] And that's the problem is I know how hard we hunt.


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[Assistant] And had we pushed ourselves beyond where we were right there and gone hard, it could have turned bad. You know, I think access wise where we were, we were fine. I think we were a long ways from any elk and it's, it's not a good unit to find elk to begin with.


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[Assistant] Uh, so the odds were against us there. And then like you said, just the, the fact that we've got to climb, then we've got to drop down across this canyon. It's all blow downs. It's, it's, there's not a bench. It's you're dropping.


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[Assistant] You know, from the top of the mountain down, it's 4,500 feet vertical. And then you go to the other side, even more than that to get to the top and the Elk or somewhere in between where we are in the top. But.


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[Assistant] I think the closer to the top and to get there and then get an elk out of there is just, it could have been done, but I don't know that it would have been worth the risk. And then the other two areas where we felt we had a chance of maybe getting into some elk.


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[Assistant] You know, you just sit there and worry if we get snowed in, you know, what can the llamas do? There's 32 inches of snow on top. I think we could get through that, but continued to snow and the next two days were snow and who knows how much snow accumulated up there, so.


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[Assistant] We saw a forked horn whitetail driving on the highway, uh, in between areas, but those are the, that was the only animal we saw.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that combination, you know, I've seen snow, two feet of snow drop and the elk don't even move. You know, if it's a warmer snow, heavy snow, they'll stay right up there in it. And then that snow sometimes will melt off. It's like you said, you get that heavy snow and then a freeze and it freezes that lower layer of, of snow to where they can't dig through it and they'll drop.


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[Assistant] And we saw it, you know, where we were hunting, they went from 7200 feet where we cut their tracks down to 5400 feet.


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[Assistant] A half mile down a ridge, they're usually moving from, you know, you talk about the transition areas, that's a, they're moving from a transition area to a winter area and that can be a long way.


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[Assistant] If you can imagine everything from leaving the truck to getting back in the truck at the end of the day, everything that can go wrong that a hunting partner can do to upset you, I think was included in that email.


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[Assistant] If the judge decides, okay, there's not enough, he can extend that restraining order and make it permanent. Yep.


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[Assistant] A lot going on in the world of politics and it's not even legislature season yet. I know, I'm fearful of that. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] They're basically saying that hunting is no longer needed to manage animals.


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[Assistant] But there are people, there are people who are leaders, who are elected politicians and leaders who believe this.


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[Assistant] Where we have to be involved. We owe it to them to be involved too.


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[Assistant] But that's to procure the life of the species and make sure that it's preserved. And that's, you know, there's definitely a, uh, a loss.


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[Assistant] They don't realize that there's not going to be a gain hat. It's going to be a downward loss and it's not going to end. There's, we just, we've impacted it too much that we can't rely on those cycles of.


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[Assistant] That doesn't happen anymore. We've, we've infringed on their habitat. There are so many other factors now that to leave them to, to the, uh, you know, just to, to let, just with the wolves by themselves, if you're just let the wolves go and wreck havoc right now on just the elk herds.


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[Assistant] There are no moose. There are no countable moose. They quit doing moose counts because there's zero population. And you know, it just, that's one small segment in one area, but we just, we can't allow that to happen.


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[Assistant] What, you know, you look at all the organizations that are against hunting and the fundraising they do, does a penny of that go to the wildlife?


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[Assistant] It's all tied up in litigation. They raise money to sue to be able to stop hunting. And once hunting is stopped, they're not going to have a mechanism to raise money. Nobody's going to be contributing money to help the wildlife.


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[Assistant] It's just, there is a sacrifice made, absolutely. A managed and calculated sacrifice that takes the lives of so many animals a year in a way that it never affects the population negatively.


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[Assistant] So the population doesn't grow necessarily. It's managed to be able to sustain whatever it can on the habitat it lives on. It's not gonna grow, but it's not gonna shrink.


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[Assistant] And that is guaranteed by the management we have in place.


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[Assistant] And that should be, that should be enough because we can't guarantee that. In fact, we can guarantee it'll be the opposite if you get rid of hunting and the funding from hunting, the wildlife populations will suffer.


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[Assistant] Well, and they want us to, you know, go buy food at the grocery store. So we go buy our meat at the grocery store.


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[Assistant] And we've never done that as hunters. We've never forced anybody to live off of what they can, they can get themselves, what they can, you know, go out and harvest themselves. We've made it available. I mean, the hunters are some of the ones that are making things available, hunters and farmers and ranchers and all of that.


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[Assistant] But would you rather hunt with seven like-minded people or would you rather stay home and complain about the politicians in Washington that shut down hunting in the entire state and now you don't get to hunt at all?


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[Assistant] You know, I think it's a, it's going to be put in perspective and there are going to be places like Washington that are going to lose.


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[Assistant] More and more opportunity, whether they lose it all together or not, they will lose opportunity and without more voices to go and make their voices heard at the ballot box, you're fighting a losing battle.


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[Assistant] I always go back to your philosophy on this, that, you know, we...


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[Assistant] The reality is for that to happen, we're going to be a very small group of hunters. Think about it. If there's.


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[Assistant] Throw in a number out there. If there's 10,000 elk hunters in Idaho and people are complaining that that's too many, we whittle it down.


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[Assistant] You know, boxed out and can't go elk hunting now aren't going to support you when it comes time to fight for it. So.


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[Assistant] That's not gonna work. Limiting the number of people, reducing the number of people is not gonna work. We want more people to be a voice. So, how do more people


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[Assistant] Go out and enjoy what we do without impacting people. We've got to build a bigger pie.


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[Assistant] If you want that same size slice of pie you've always had and now there's more people waiting for pie.


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[Assistant] Or you make it bigger. And the way you make it bigger is more access, more wildlife.


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[Assistant] And that, that should be every hunters goal rather than complaining about too many hunters.


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[Assistant] Figure out what you can do to make more access available and more population of animals available in places where the populations are hurting.


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[Assistant] And I just think there's opportunities for us to educate those people that disagree to, to a degree. There's always going to be some that it's like, I, I don't care what you say. I'm not buying into it, but I think the vast majority of people who might say, yeah, hunting is cruel and that, you know, we don't need to be hunting animals.


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[Assistant] They aren't educating. You educate them on what hunting does and what our purpose. Our purpose is not to just go out and keep shooting animals and hopefully, you know, someday they're all gone. Our purpose is hey, we're going to sacrifice a few of these animals to raise funds


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[Assistant] To support the greater good and the greater cause and make sure these animals are here for longer and, you know, just educating people. I still have people come up to me and say, I'm not going to join the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation because they support the wolf reintroduction.


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[Assistant] Let them run and turn it into $400 and do some good with it.


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[Assistant] Have all of the content on the University of Elk Hunting and then create some new content that's going into outdoor class.


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[Assistant] And make people buy two memberships to access, you know, the new content and the original University of Elk Hunting content.


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[Assistant] We basically took the entire catalog of all the information, 56 chapters or 59 chapters or something of Elk Hunting information that's in the University of Elk Hunting, moved it over to outdoor class,


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[Assistant] And got rid of, uh, the University of El Canteen membership. So.


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[Assistant] Now all you have to do is sign up for outdoor class. You get access to all the modules there. You know, mule deer hunting with Remy, uh, your late season elk hunting stuff. I've got some elk calling stuff on there. More stuff's on the way from I think all three of us. Uh, they've got.


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[Assistant] Uh, backpacking, backcountry hunting, survival type stuff. There's cooking with Hank Shaw. Uh, there's just...


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[Assistant] All these modules there, plus the university of elk hunting in its entirety is there.


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[Assistant] Way more value added, uh, one membership that you have to manage instead of two, access to everything. It's just, it's pretty cool.


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[Assistant] Well when we're on the topic of, uh, not allowing people to pay full price for anything, I think, uh, Mountain Ops also has a big promotion going on right now.


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[Assistant] Well, it's, you know, when I, I see all this stuff, the first part of November, I start getting emails. Black Friday sales starts like black Friday is one day, the day after Thanksgiving. Now it's a whole season, but, uh, you know, I think it's just, people are used to finding deals on black Friday.


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[Assistant] And, uh, so everybody's calling their, their deals during this time frame of Black Friday deal, but Mountain Ops has a sale, uh, everything is at least 30% off.


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[Assistant] So they're giving you a 30 to 50% off on everything on their site plus free shipping if you use that code and it's a black Friday sale, but it's already going on now and it actually goes all the way through December 7th. So on, on mountain ops.


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[Assistant] They try to make you feel good and say, Oh, it's over the counter. But when you're in on resident and you have to come and you're assigned a random number and that random number opens up a vault and you're able to pick whatever's left over in that vault. That's a draw. That's exactly.


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[Assistant] Here's just a little bit more information on Idaho. I just wanted to get the, from the regulations. So non-resident hunting license go on sale for next year.


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[Assistant] But if you don't, you know, if there are issues there, you have to enter a hunting license number when you buy your tag or try to get a tag. And so if you know you're going to be hunting Idaho, it does speed that up a little bit, but keep in mind if you buy a license and then aren't able to get a tag, your license is not refundable.


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[Assistant] So keep in mind there are limited number of tags in each zone. So each zone has a certain amount of deer and elk tags available.


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[Assistant] Uh, and those might sell out in some zones much faster than others. So make sure you have backups that, Hey, I really want to hunt the sawtooth zone. Well, it's not available, but, uh, here, make sure you have some, some other backups there. And like Randy said, you basically show up before 10 o'clock and I don't even know what time they open the portal to start giving you random numbers.


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[Assistant] But when you show up, if you're the first one in the line, when they open that, you still don't necessarily get number one. You're given a random assigned waiting number. Uh, and then based on that number, when the portal does open at 10 o'clock, they start at number one, but that's not the first person who was in line. That's the person who was randomly given.


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[Assistant] That number and then you can look at what's available and purchase it and when you're done, you have your stuff, you're kicked out and they go to the next person in line to be able to purchase. So.


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[Assistant] You might wait an hour and get in there and there's only help tags left in three zones. So if you want to tag, those are your only options. You might show up at 10 o'clock and get assigned number one and be able to jump right in and have your pick of whatever you want, but it's, uh, it's over the counter, but it's limited and it's random. So it's a draw.


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[Assistant] I was just going to say, just charge an application fee of $10, make it a draw. You already run a draw for controlled hunts here. I mean, call it what it is. It's a random draw for a number that gets you a chance to buy a tag.


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[Assistant] It's unfortunate, we're watching the true over-the-counter opportunities literally slip through the hourglass here in front of us.


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[Assistant] I was going to say, you're not going elk hunting, you're not going deer hunting, it must be somewhere sunny that you're heading.


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[Assistant] The exact same weather that's keeping you from going mule deer hunting.


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[Assistant] Is what's making elk hunting incredible and you're using these other excuses to not go elk hunting. I'm just, I'm not buying.


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[Assistant] So it's not great weather for deer hunting, it's great weather for elk hunting.


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[Assistant] You know, they're very few and far between when you get a buck like that, a mature buck that just is big, big body rippled. But I saw one this spring at, you know, in March or so after they had shed and made it through the worst part of the year.


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[Assistant] He was still just, he had turned his head to the side and just ripples on his neck, you know, that muscle and fat and his head was so big and flat and big old Roman nose. And I just thought, Oh, I'd love to.


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[Assistant] Spend four or five days doing that, or if I just want to take those four or five days and go set up a tent and look for wolves, so.


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[Assistant] You got it. Yep. Just hit the contact link and send us an email. All right. Thanks, Gary. Have a great day. Yep. You too. Thanks for being here, folks.


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[Assistant] The Elk Talk Podcast is brought to you by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, ensuring the future of elk, other wildlife, their habitat, and our hunting heritage. To become a member, go to rmef.org.


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[Assistant] The podcast is also brought to you by Gerber, uh, go to gerbergear.com and learn about the knives, the vital, the big game vital, the gated premium, all the things that we use when we're out in the woods, and not just knives, but also some really cool multi tools that they have.


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[Assistant] Also brought to you by GoHunt.com. Uh, go to GoHunt.com and sign up for the Insider. The Insider is changing how hunts and hunting information are found. No doubt about that.


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[Assistant] Use promo code ALKTOCK and when you do, when you sign up for the insider, you're going to get $50 of store credit, mad money, in their gear shop.


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[Assistant] So I go click on the, I download all the regulations and keep them in a folder on my laptop. So I'm like scrambling, scrambling.


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[Assistant] This hunt has a slightly different, uh, suffix to it, like a dash whatever, than all the other ones. I'm like, oh no!


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[Assistant] This season date is September 15th to November 28th.


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[Assistant] I think that your destiny, you know, you ask me.


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[Assistant] And one of my crew to be on your destination elk series next year this fall. I don't know. Maybe it will just.


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[Assistant] Oh, is that who sang that time? That's who sang it, yeaah. Oh, alright. Huh. Well, I'm just here to tell you, after 30 years, I'd dig anything. Even an antlerless bull tag, I probably would have gotten excited over.


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[Assistant] Antler, I'm sure the audience is thinking, AntlerlessBullTag, Newberg, you have completely lost it, man. Oh wow.


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[Assistant] And I'm going to let you answer most of them because let's face it, most of the questions that come in Corey are directed to you. I, I get it.


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[Assistant] I mean, uh, you know, I'm, I'm just like, uh, the...


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[Assistant] Swims flooded, swollen rivers, just to get an elk antler.


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[Assistant] I mean, I can see why people have questions of you more than me, so.


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[Assistant] And then when I go home, my wife asks me a question and asks for an opinion.


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[Assistant] Uh, but I think she might, I think she mostly does it just cause she likes to make me feel like I'm included in the decision.


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[Assistant] But at least she sought my opinion. That's right. Right? And she always reminds me, I'm here seeking opinions. I'm not asking for answers, I'm seeking opinions. Okay, cool.


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[Assistant] So my opinion at home is worth nothing. And on this podcast, it might be worth even less than nothing.


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[Assistant] Oh, before, you're on the, are you on the waiting list in Utah?


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[Assistant] It's now in your rear view mirror you're saying? It is, yeaah. Okay. Well, it's in my front windshield at this point.


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[Assistant] Just because while I was seeking a bison tag down there, I ended up accumulating all these analog points and then it's like, well, may as well apply for this and apply for that. My son Matthew has, trying to remember what it is, 18 or 19? 18, I think it's 18.


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[Assistant] Uh, out points in Utah, but either my credit card company rejected all the charges or he didn't draw. I'm sure it's the credit card company. They're in cahoots. So we don't have any.


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[Assistant] That's kind of the sum of that equation, yeaah. Matthew's not going out in Utah, nor am I, nor is anyone else I know. Uh, so those results came out and this podcast probably won't drop.


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[Assistant] Is this hard to justify the person from, say, Oklahoma to drive through Colorado and Wyoming and Idaho to get to Washington or Oregon to go Alconac?


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[Assistant] Well, hopefully what you just explained there that gives people some understanding of us not hating on it.


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[Assistant] It's just the reality of, of what we're, you know, we're just trying to be.


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[Assistant] Realistic about what's the best use of people's time and money.


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[Assistant] And the other part is those states do a really good job of, oh, you are not going to believe this.


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[Assistant] But, but, let's see. Oh, I was unsuccessful for sheep.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you can draw all three. A guy I know, he's since deceased. He drew moose, goat, and sheep in the same year. Man.


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[Assistant] You'd trade a moose, goat, and cheep tag for an elk tag. I know you. If it was the right elk tag, yeaah. I am sorry that this is so disruptive, but all of a sudden I get this flash on my computer. I'm like, no way.


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[Assistant] I logged into this, uh, there's a way you can do a hunter search and that usually updates before the actual results.


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[Assistant] They came in like, is he for real?


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[Assistant] Those states treat their residents very well. And they should.


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[Assistant] I mean, they have populations that are growing way faster than Montana and Wyoming.


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[Assistant] I know you guys are the fastest growing state, Western state in terms of percentage.


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[Assistant] What would you say? The relative treatment of, uh,


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[Assistant] Residents versus non-residents, I think they would come to the conclusion.


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[Assistant] Your Idaho deadline is June 5th.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and anyone who applied for Moose Goater Sheep is out of the running for that. Yup. Anyone who hasn't, even if you missed the December 1st deadline when all the tags sold out, uh, you're still able to go and do the, uh,


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[Assistant] Couged here in Arizona, I think when that happened and when I got back to coverage, everyone is texting me. Hey, did you get your Idaho deer tag or out tag today? I didn't. I was on hold for eight hours and 38 minutes. No, I didn't.


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[Assistant] You're capped at 100%. We're capped at 10%.


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[Assistant] I'll be honest with you Corey, I didn't do Moose in Idaho this year, just because with the increased license fee, the increased transaction, you know, the transaction charge is a percentage of


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[Assistant] Everything else and then having to front an increased amount. It would have been a $330 raffle ticket. And uh,


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[Assistant] So I passed and I was going to use Idaho's deer, elk and antelope as my fallback. Uh, okay. If I don't have any tags.


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[Assistant] I'm, I'm doing elk and Idaho in the, in the controlled hunts. And I, like you said, some of them are pretty good odds. I was going to try for one of your, I was almost going to go into go hunt and say, which is the easiest Idaho controlled elk hunt to draw? And that was the one I was thinking of applying for. And, uh,


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[Assistant] In fact, this morning, when Marcus and I and my crew were sitting here over coffee, we're talking about, man, that's a tough year. We haven't drawn anything.


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[Assistant] If I would have known that would fill my bucket full of hunts, I would have been complaining about that a long time ago. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I don't know what we'll have for return tags in Montana.


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[Assistant] Sometimes what happens is non-residents, uh, turn back their, their combination tag in Montana, whether it's the elk tag, the deer tag, or the elk-deer combo tag, and those get reissued.


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[Assistant] Uh, and that's an, I guess, a remaining fallback option. There's the Colorado over the counter tags would be a fallback option.


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[Assistant] Idaho? You guys gonna have that this year?


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[Assistant] Uh, it was hardest tags were to draw this year. I think they'd be crazy to turn one back in. That's my.


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[Assistant] So while you're looking that up, the other thing that's out there is a lot of states do have some leftover cow tags.


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[Assistant] I'm all about Kyle O'Connor. Uh, I think my son is going to draw his Colorado deer tag this year. He applied in a unit that only takes three points and he has nine.


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[Assistant] So I think he's going to draw the deer tag and I'm buying the over the counter elk tag.


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[Assistant] While I'm there with them. Because you know how that goes. If you're in Colorado deer hunting, there's elk standing everywhere. When you're over there elk hunting, there's deer standing everywhere, so.


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[Assistant] Well, we'll have the, we'll put the heavy duty on them there. Those elk will be standing around thinking, oh, that guy's only got a deer tag, you know, fix him.


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[Assistant] That's right, you applied, didn't you? I went and looked up your unit to see what the, uh, tag, what they were doing with the tag numbers. And, uh, they kept them the same as last year for the unit you applied for.


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[Assistant] That's what most of these emails are that we've been getting from, from listeners and


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[Assistant] I'm curious, do you, here's my thought on this.


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[Assistant] Since most, like I said, most of the questions get asked of you.


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[Assistant] Would you be willing to kind of give your, the audience your approach to how you plan or e-scout?


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[Assistant] What it looks like in, on your computer or in your head or on your, whether you, however you do it, uh, as you get ready to go hunt a new area for an archery hunt.


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[Assistant] What I'm trying to do, I'm trying to summarize these volumes of emails without going through every one of them specifically.


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[Assistant] Because a lot of them touch on these general concepts and these general points. And I thought, well, if we kind of walk through how we do it.


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[Assistant] When you do this Cory, one of the questions that was in the stack here is, how does hunting pressure change what you do, if at all?


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[Assistant] I mean, uh, you haunt mostly general units.


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[Assistant] No matter where you go, I just know that most of the places you hunt are over the counter or general.


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[Assistant] Those places get a lot of pressure. Does, does that change how you put this plan together or what fallback options you give yourself or what variables you're considering?


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[Assistant] And I know that you, I've tried, I say this, I've tried to follow you across the landscape.


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[Assistant] You're polite enough to sit down and take a water break once in a while to let me catch up. And by the time I catch up, you're about ready. You're already like, what is taking so long? Did he get hurt? Did he get lost?


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[Assistant] I cannot keep up with you Cory. Let's just put that out there right now. I cannot keep up with you.


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[Assistant] It pains me when we leave the trailhead in the morning like, I know what today's going to be like. I should kick him in the knee or something. I should, I should put a big blister somehow to get a rasp and put a big raw spot on the ball of his foot or something. I don't know.


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[Assistant] Trying to follow you across these landscapes, I realize how much ground you cover in a day.


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[Assistant] When you're doing your e-scouting, do you look at the map and say, mm, just not enough terrain there. Say like some of the places I hunt, I know there's a lot of elk over on that private and they move back and forth at times across smaller pieces of public.


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[Assistant] Do you ever hunt those smaller pieces of public say, you know, a strip that's a half mile wide and two miles long or something like that? Or is that just too confining?


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[Assistant] And for me, when I do, and I'll talk about this, uh, as far as how I approach it with a rifle,


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[Assistant] It also has to be somewhat weighed into what's my hunting style.


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[Assistant] Some people are really aggressive, some are passive, some move a lot, some just sit in glass, some prefer to sit water and so.


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[Assistant] I think when I, I always give the disclaimer that when I do e-scouting plans,


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[Assistant] One of the overlays is does this work for my hunting style? How I like to hunt.


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[Assistant] Because I don't want to go and hunt elk in a way that's just not my style.


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[Assistant] I'm here to have fun and I know for you, it's call and be pretty aggressive. So a place that lended it might lend itself more to.


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[Assistant] Well, I asked all those questions because the things that I was...


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[Assistant] Interjecting reflect the reader's comments and my...


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[Assistant] Less active than they are in late season. They're just getting away from the cows, they're recuperating, and they know that rifle seasons, most states have rifle seasons the last half of October. And they understand that movement,


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[Assistant] Is risk. If you want to make it through to see your next sunrise or sunset, you don't move a lot.


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[Assistant] Where's you get into the later seasons in November?


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[Assistant] Just the fact that they're in bachelor groups now, they feel a little more comfortable because they have more eyeballs and more ears and more noses looking for danger.


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[Assistant] The temps are colder, it's getting closer to the core of winter and they know they have to feed more. So they're out for a longer period right away in the morning and they come out earlier in the afternoon. So there's, there's some differences in, in those little nuances between an e-scouting plan of the two, but


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[Assistant] When I'm looking on a map, my first definition of a sanctuary is where's the place that I would just say to myself, this sucks if I were to shoot an elk in there.


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[Assistant] And I'm out there on Go Hunt, and I'm just looking at terrain features, I'm looking at the roads, I'm trying to anticipate where most of the pressure is going to be. And I'm going to avoid those places, but also,


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[Assistant] And so I use that hunting pressure as a big part of where I'm, where I'm going to set up. And like you, you're saying how you have multiple spots you'll go through, you know, in a hunt in a week. I give myself five day hunts. So I have.


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[Assistant] Day one morning, day one afternoon, day two morning, day two afternoon for all five days. So I usually have 10 spots.


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[Assistant] In any, any of my e-scouting plants.


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[Assistant] I also, if I have time, go far enough into it to say, alright, here's a general location that I think is better if it's a warm season. You know, it's unseasonably warm. The temps have stayed in the 60s and 70s into late October.


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[Assistant] And then I have another general area that might be place B.


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[Assistant] That is okay, what if we get early snow and then another place C and D and within ABCD.


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[Assistant] Afternoon one, morning two, afternoon two. So I kind of have all that in my head or on my computer. So when I show up,


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[Assistant] I'm investigating each of the options that I might think, okay, what's my, what's my best option? I'm going to go in there opening morning and I hope that's where they're going to be. You know, if I can get there a day early, oh man, I, I've looked at our hunts where I have a day to scout versus when we don't.


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[Assistant] And big part of that is I can go and check out each of my e-scouting plans A through whatever.


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[Assistant] And say, all right, there's a ton of people here. I'm not cross plan A off the map or.


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[Assistant] Wow, you know, it snowed really hard down here in Colorado. These elk are lower in the transition range. That's e-scouting plan C. We're going with e-scouting plan C. And all of those are also determined by


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[Assistant] My hunting style and my hunting style is a lot of glassing. So I don't, there are elk in these great big vast expanses of dark timber, but you will never see an e-scouting plan from me that includes that. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Because it's not conducive to my style of hunting that I enjoy.


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[Assistant] And there's some people who just love sneaking the dark timber, getting on a fresh trail in the snow.


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[Assistant] I know that's, that's not the full science of, of what we're getting into in the university course that you have. Uh, there, there is, and there will be even a lot more of that, but that's the general approach that I take. And I wish I could say every time it works out perfectly.


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[Assistant] That's the dangers of being in rural Montana. We got one big strand of wire that leaves Bozeman and goes to wherever Al Gore built his internet center.


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[Assistant] And if there's too many people on that one strand of copper wire, we're just out of luck. So anyhow, that's, uh, that's the way I approach it. I hope that the people who answered or asked a lot of the questions, that general idea gives them some, some thoughts to consider.


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[Assistant] Because here's how I approached it before I really...


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[Assistant] I hate to admit it, but I was pretty much relying on luck and happenstance of maybe I'll stumble into one here. Uh, and yeah, over time I learned a little bit more and maybe I was, had some plans in my head.


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[Assistant] But I wasn't methodical where, okay.


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[Assistant] I went here, I didn't see anything, but here's what I learned. I learned they're not at this elevation, or I learned that there's a new trail in there. Okay, so now this afternoon, here's where I'm going. In every one of these pieces,


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[Assistant] Allowed me to learn a little bit more of the puzzle I was trying to put together and


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[Assistant] Once I stick to that plan by the afternoon of day three, okay, I've had two mornings or three mornings and two afternoons, I'm halfway through my plan.


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[Assistant] And I have accumulated an awful lot of information in my time out there on the landscape.


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[Assistant] I was hoping more than I was hunting. And I, I just, uh,


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[Assistant] I didn't have the confidence that any of the things I had in my head were gonna work.


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[Assistant] Because I didn't have a plan and stick to it. It's kind of like, you know, if you want to save money or reach your retirement goals or your savings goals, you kind of have a plan and you stick to it every month. This is what you do. This is what you do. And, and one day you look around like,


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[Assistant] Hey, I think having that plan and sticking to it is, is almost equally important to the plan, how the quality of the plan itself. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Uh, one person did ask, how much differently do you approach elk in a non-migratory situation versus a migratory situation?


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[Assistant] And for rifle hunting, it's very different. I don't know if in archery season is it just.


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[Assistant] And in, so I'll just use Montana.


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[Assistant] Strategy that is into play with our e-scouting of okay, if we got an early winter, they're going to be in sanctuaries lower on their transition range because the early winter has pushed them down further. If we have no winter, it's just like, you know, warm late fall.


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[Assistant] When I compare that to when I hunt New Mexico, let's say, uh,


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[Assistant] There, there isn't that migratory effect. So, I'm looking for sanctuaries that are a function of distance, topography, and boundaries. It might be unit boundaries, where people just stay away from unit boundaries. It's like,


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[Assistant] These are places of lower pressure. Sanctuaries are places of lower pressure compared to the rest of the landscape.


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[Assistant] Canyons are more of a sanctuary than mountains in a lot of those areas.


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[Assistant] And distance is a big sanctuary effect. And then also those great big vast carpets of pinyon juniper.


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[Assistant] I will sit there and I'll glass into those compared to big dark timber, you know, like fir and spruce. It's just impenetrable. You can't see into it. Where's Pinion Juniper?


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[Assistant] So now that we're in planning season, these are the kind of questions I think are more relevant to the audience and the purpose of our podcast. Uhm, you think we, now that people are getting vaccinated and we can


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[Assistant] Want to have on the, on the podcast.


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[Assistant] My dad always said an expert or a consultant is someone from the next county and nobody knew their name.


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[Assistant] Couple people asked if we're going to be at any events this summer.


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[Assistant] Are you, are you going to be at the Mountain Ops one in Utah the end of June?


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[Assistant] Yeah, you successful elk hunters will be there. I'm just there for like handing out ice cream or something. Uh, and then we'll be at, uh,


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[Assistant] We know that you refuse to judge the competition because Corey's in it and you don't want to give any appearance of bias. I said, well, if he doesn't quit heckling me, I might want to be a judge just so I can make sure he doesn't get a fair shake.


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[Assistant] But they've asked me if I would be the color commentator. They're gonna try to live stream this and I'm supposed to be like, uh, you know.


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[Assistant] Yep. And I told them, I said, if I'm going to be the color commentator, this isn't going to be like golf.


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[Assistant] That's required to do that. Uh, we'll see.


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[Assistant] But if, if they do, I guess I'm supposed to be like the, the color commentator. I won't have a vote.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they want multiple camera angles, multiple audio feeds. You know, just me holding up my, my droid.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm, I'm shaving all my good stuff for when you're up there.


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[Assistant] These times Cory's put a 20 pound rock in my pack in New Mexico. I'm gonna get even with him.


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[Assistant] Uh, so anyhow, we're going to be in those locations. Hopefully people will go to the, I think the Total Archery shoot has already filled that mountain festival there in Park City.


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[Assistant] I know the one in Big Sky has already filled up. Are you going to be at Big Sky as well? It's crazy how quickly. I'll be at Big Sky.


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[Assistant] I don't shoot any of these things. I shot Total Archery Challenge, I think the first year it was in Big Sky. And my shoulder, I mean, I only shoot three arrows, three to six arrows at each session.


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[Assistant] In the morning, afternoon and evening, because of my shoulders. After I shot that course,


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[Assistant] Okay. You know, it'd be nice if you'd tell me this in advance so I could tell the crew.


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[Assistant] Yeah. So yeah, you sent it a long time ago. This is like forever.


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[Assistant] So it's only addressed to me. Did you, what'd you do? Blind CC everybody else?


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[Assistant] Am I allowed, so did you send one to Marcus and one to Bo and one to Michael?


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[Assistant] You know, where I drew these tags, the grouse hunting is some of the best in Montana.


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[Assistant] I can't either, Cory. And my wife looks at me like, well,


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[Assistant] Yeah, she, and I know what her thought probably was, and probably truthful. She said, well, he's a guy, he doesn't get it.


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[Assistant] You would be correct. So what you're saying is I should listen to this ebook before I get myself distracted.


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[Assistant] But you said moose are dumb to the degree of...


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[Assistant] I wonder if I'm rolling the dice to do the goat hunt the last week of season.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they're all, it's the same unit for everything. And uh, actually.


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[Assistant] You know where I sent you on that outcome a couple years ago? Where the wolves were all over? Uh huh.


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[Assistant] Well, that's good to know. I'm going to want your waypoints. So that's why I sent you there for, for the fact that someday I might draw a goat tag and you're one of the people crazy enough to climb up in those cliffs.


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[Assistant] Well, should we let the audience back to mowing lawn and cutting firewood?


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[Assistant] I'm doing none of the above. The guy was over, gave the first buzz to my lawn yesterday, I think it was. And I heard him out there, I'm like whew, good.


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[Assistant] It's a, I think he just likes to drive around on his new John Deere. Wow. He's gonna have that thing wore out if this summer's like last summer.


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[Assistant] My wife would not let it get to that point. She's got, she's got a little more coos and character than I do. See? Yea, if it grew up to weeds and dandelions and thistles, I'd just go over across the street and let their horses out and say, hey ponies, come on over here, we got some goodies for you.


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[Assistant] I can't believe it. We were doing a podcast in probably the most exciting hour and a half of my entire history of applying for tags.


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[Assistant] And I am embarrassed to say it is my second GoTag. I drew my first GoTag my fourth time I applied.


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[Assistant] And I thought, well, there's nothing to this GoTag stuff. I'll draw every, you know, there's a seven year wait in Montana. Well, it's been, uh, I had a lot of points.


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[Assistant] And they used to give away goat tags in Montana like they were candy or something.


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[Assistant] It was easy to draw a go-tag and then they started cinching it down.


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[Assistant] Oh, here I am. It's been 26 years since I had to go take. Wow. So. And I, quite honestly.


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[Assistant] I've, I've advocated that Montana should be a once in a lifetime for all the big, what I call the big three moose, goat and sheep. But it's not, they put you on a seven year wait. And, uh, I know a lot of guys who've had multiple moose tags, multiple sheep tags. Uh, and now I'm going to be one of those hated souls who's had two goat tags. Yup. So, but I don't make the rules. That's right. Just follow them. And whenever I go to that spot.


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[Assistant] Now watch, here'll be my luck, Fish, Wildlife and Parks will send out an email, oops, cause they did this two years ago with how they


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[Assistant] They didn't re-randomize the draw list when all the return tags came in.


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[Assistant] So a lot of people got a notice, oh, guess what? And then right away they get an email of, oh, sorry.


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[Assistant] Yeah. I mean, I'm looking at it right here. Moose, successful. Goat, successful. Not successful. Deer special permit. Sheep. Bison. Paddlefish.


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[Assistant] I tell them, guys, this is clean living, man. Yup. You know, if, if you guys would live a little bit cleaner, uh, you'd, you'd be okay. But, uh, you guys are a bunch of hooligans who just, you don't, you know, they'll catch onto this clean living thing after a while. Well, they're young. So.


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[Assistant] Alright Cory, thanks for being here. Thanks to all the folks who put up with our rambling. Hopefully we gave them something of slight value.


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[Assistant] For sure. I, I got a money back guarantee on my YouTube channel. Really? Whatever somebody pays.


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[Assistant] For our YouTube channel, I tell them, I'll give you your money back if you don't like, you know, what we put out there.


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[Assistant] Welcome to the Elk Talk Podcast with Randy Newberg and Corey Jacobson presented by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation.


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[Assistant] The Elk Talk Podcast is brought to you by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, ensuring the future of elk, other wildlife, their habitat, and our hunting heritage. To become a member, go to rmef.org.


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[Assistant] The podcast is also brought to you by Gerber, uh, go to gerbergear.com and learn about the knives, the vital, the big game vital, the gauge premium, all the things that we use when we're out in the woods, and not just knives, but also some really cool multi tools that they have.


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[Assistant] Also brought to you by GoHunt.com. Uh, go to GoHunt.com and sign up for the Insider. The Insider is changing how hunts and hunting information are found. No doubt about that.


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[Assistant] Use promo code ALKTOCK and when you do, when you sign up for the insider, you're going to get $50 of store credit, mad money, in their gear shop.


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[Assistant] My approach to life when I get up in the morning, I, uh, my default is every day is gonna be a great day.


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[Assistant] Didn't seem as active across the west. Yeah. You know, that was kind of the report.


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[Assistant] In the last couple days of September and the first couple days of October, I've never heard so much out bugling. Really?


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[Assistant] Yeah, kind of the same in Wyoming. I think Colorado ends right there towards the end of September. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Now we're giving them five days off and on Saturday rifle season opens. And boy, you really got to be a smart out to survive five or six seasons in Montana.


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[Assistant] Uh, it's a, Saturday morning is going to be just...


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[Assistant] We get eight inches of wet heavy snow here in town and the leaves haven't fallen off the trees yet. So it breaks all the limbs off the trees, which then break down the power lines. And my wife calls me, Hey, where's the generator or, uh, the, the, uh, uh, you know, the, the, um, well, I loaned it to the crew.


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[Assistant] Uh, the Sunday after Thanksgiving, I think this year it's November 28th is when we stop hunting bulls with a rifle. And then we hunt cow elk, pretty much anyone who wants one.


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[Assistant] Well, if we're not over objective, that means we should almost close the season because after the politicians got done setting the objectives in the out management plan,


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[Assistant] They'd be borderline extinct if they were under objectives. And, uh,


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[Assistant] If you don't shoot your elk in Montana, you really, it's either because you made the conscious decision that I'm not going to shoot one, or you just stayed in the bar all winter.


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[Assistant] Uh, in the, like, mid 2000s, or, you know, 15, 16 years ago, they said we had way too many elk there, and they're living under these center irrigation pivots, and blah blah blah, we gotta kill a bunch of cow elk. Alright, so at the time, we issued a whole bunch of cow antlerless tags, you know, cow elk tags.


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[Assistant] We get a couple good storms in mid-December.


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[Assistant] Come walking off the mountain, strolling around in the foothills and guess which elk got shot. Those Elks.


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[Assistant] Poorly behaved center pivot irrigation, you know, the, the alfalfa elk, because they know where the sanctuaries are.


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[Assistant] The elk that came off the national forest, they don't know where the safe spots are.


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[Assistant] Now as I heard of about four to five hundred, it's never recovered from that.


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[Assistant] That session of, you know, two years of shooting all these migratory health, uh, weren't the problem now. So.


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[Assistant] Our new commission has decided, you know, if it was a bad idea that failed in 2005 and 2006.


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[Assistant] Let's do it now and let's put our foot on the gas. Let's, you know, the reason it didn't work is we didn't try hard enough.


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[Assistant] I think most states can have such huge amount of hunting pressure in rifle season.


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[Assistant] By the time late season comes around, they are in such tight sanctuaries.


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[Assistant] You can eliminate 99% of your math.


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[Assistant] And then, uh, I shot one grouse, I blood trailed him for the longest time. Never needed catch up to him. Really? Yeah, I was so disappointed.


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[Assistant] So the moose hunt went and, uh, that's part of why you and I have had a hard time connecting. I just got back from Minnesota the other, you know, sat Sunday night.


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[Assistant] Done. My season is kinda on the shelf, uh, with the exception of my mom and my siblings, who were all rotating, helping her, and uh,


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[Assistant] They all said, look, you got a mountain goat tag, you're going back.


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[Assistant] Everyone knows my mountain goat and moose tag were in the same unit. So, well, we're up there moose hunting.


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[Assistant] Share the woe is me kind of thing in the world, but I think anyone whose family's been through, uh, uh, a cancer diagnosis that is bad, uh, they know what, what the situation is and you just, you deal with it. You know, like you were talking about when you guys did the hunt of a lifetime with Jack, how it kinda,


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[Assistant] I almost have this feeling of guilt of how many times I've seen a family where you can tell someone's going through chemo and other stuff.


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[Assistant] I feel bad that I wasn't as compassionate as maybe I should have been for what, trying to consider what that family was going through at the time. But now I fully understand, uh, and it just causes me to look at things and say, you know what, no matter who you are,


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[Assistant] You know, and that's a, at first it's just, you know.


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[Assistant] Huge upheaval, but then you just realize that this thing we call life, you know, eh, it's, eh, it just...


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[Assistant] I think examples of courage and examples of, you know, dealing with life, you know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it does. Uh, and when Michael and I were doing our out kind, uh,


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[Assistant] We slam the truck door, the topper lid, or whatever, and all of a sudden a bull bugles 500 yards from us. We're like, wait a second, that's an hour before daylight. That's not another hunter.


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[Assistant] I wasn't good enough to figure out how to get a steady win. And I think they would just circle around enough.


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[Assistant] How to hunt fake areas of western Montana or northern Idaho.


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[Assistant] This area of Montana is, we have a lot of...


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[Assistant] Edges were on a certain side of the ridge, there's timber, and then it's...


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[Assistant] You know, so whatever it might be a burn. And so I'd say pretty much every elk I've shot in that area was on an edge situation, even though there aren't a lot of edges there, so.


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[Assistant] Wanted people to know they had something special going on in October. That is right.


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[Assistant] I do a, they call it the Win a Hunt with Randy thing with Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation. And, uh,


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[Assistant] So I'm not sure I'd be on board with that idea.


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[Assistant] And people found out that I'm trying to do a problem harm course that kind of mimics your, your University of L.A. So, I don't know when I'll get that done.


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[Assistant] Another day, uh, here not too far out where I'll get in front of a computer and, uh, we'll do another podcast and, uh, hopefully I have some big stories to tell. I, I've, uh, my brother and sister and I have rotated, uh, the care thing with my mom where, uh, I have a sweepstakes winner.


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[Assistant] Welcome to the Elk Talk Podcast with Randy Newberg and Corey Jacobson presented by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation.


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[Assistant] The Elk Talk Podcast is brought to you by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, ensuring the future of elk, other wildlife, their habitat, and our hunting heritage. To become a member, go to rmef.org.


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[Assistant] The podcast is also brought to you by Gerber, uh, go to gerbergear.com and learn about the knives, the vital, the big game vital, the gauge premium, all the things that we use when we're out in the woods, and not just knives, but also some really cool multi tools that they have.


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[Assistant] WorkDoc Podcast is also brought to you by GoHunt.com. Uh, go to GoHunt.com and sign up for the Insider. The Insider is changing how hunts and hunting information are found. No doubt about that.


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[Assistant] Use promo code ALKTOCK and when you do, when you sign up for the insider, you're going to get $50 of store credit, mad money, in their gear shop.


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[Assistant] This is my three days, I got three days in town this week and our office building that we've been working on since November, we got our certificate of occupancy on Friday. So, I've been moving, packing stuff, threatening employee


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[Assistant] Threatening employees with their employment if they put holes in the new walls.


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[Assistant] And they just looked at me like, yeaah, whatever, you threaten us all the time.


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[Assistant] Anyhow, you're packing and getting ready to go to the most intriguing archery Elcon anyone will probably get a chance to watch in the next year.


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[Assistant] Because I'm getting old and feeble, and my ability to climb through those steep, wet, nasty slopes of big blow down, sick spruce interspersed among absolute cactus patches of devil's clubs


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[Assistant] You know, you only need to do that three or four times in your life to get your fill of it. And when we shot Sitka Blacktail Digger.


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[Assistant] He's a tough guy, I knew that. If you would, if you would have sent me out on an outcome.


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[Assistant] 14 days, 15 days after I supposedly got done with COVID, you could have just well shot me and gutted me. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Rampons. That's kinda like chains on your four wheel drive in a winch.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. You kind of get to a point where you say, well,


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[Assistant] Kinda here all by myself. Do I really want to train up? Because if I get stuck with my chains on, then I'm really stuck.


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[Assistant] Huh. Well, I'll be really interested to check in with you about September 15th or so.


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[Assistant] And, and hear this story. I, I think we're just gonna, I'm not gonna talk to you until we can record a podcast. As it goes.


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[Assistant] Well, I remember when we were talking about dream homes five or six years ago.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so. Alright, well folks, if Cory and Donnie survive, we'll get them on the podcast. I want Donnie on the podcast too.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. You know with his funky haircut he's got with that racing stripe down, does he still have that going?


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[Assistant] Well, this is, uh, you said that when you asked us to do some cameo appearances on Destination Elk Season 4, you said it would be your best, most interesting, compelling season yet.


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[Assistant] Just thinking about it, I have to agree with you. And I, I, we haven't even heard the stories and had the adventure yet.


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[Assistant] Uh, that's what they call them in Alaska, the hoodoos. Are those deskies up there?


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[Assistant] Uh huh. Yeah, they got spruce grouse. They got all kinds of stuff there. I have seen one band of ptarmigan.


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[Assistant] In my time above the subalpine, I have never seen a forky pine, but I have seen scads and scads of Sikablock gilding.


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[Assistant] You know that under Alaska law, you can use the more expensive tag for a lesser priced tag. You go over there and shoot that sick black tail because we're about ready to starve out here.


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[Assistant] I'm saying maybe 30 miles from where you're going to be. No, probably 50 miles.


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[Assistant] I said where did you throw it? He said up there over the hill. So I run over there, I found it, I brought it back.


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[Assistant] Took it over to the Boone and Crackett club in Missoula and it scored as the number six all time non-typical. Wow. Sick of black tail. And it, it,


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[Assistant] The, the rodents had chewed on it for a year or so, so, it, it didn't work out that, eh, you know, where it would have if.


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[Assistant] If it was the day, you know, or the same year that he washed up, but so I donated it to the head and the horn collection and the Boone and Crockett club, but that's how big of thick of black tails you can find around there. Wow. You can find a great big one. That is cool.


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[Assistant] Do you want me to distract you with some of these listener questions we've got in the last couple weeks?


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna say his name. He says, alright guys, this is a deep question as it is meant to be. As both of you being


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[Assistant] If you have, let's see, if consistent elk hunting success is made up of many different things that add up to 100%, well that's a good start, yea, the sum of the parts of that is 100%.


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[Assistant] And substantially that 100% is what equals your success. If you had to eliminate 80% of that and only focus on 20% to get you that success, what 20% would you focus on? I hope this makes sense.


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[Assistant] What do you think? Here's how I've always broke it down. I said that elk hunting is about 75% just hard work and not giving up.


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[Assistant] It's about 20% knowledge and experience and about 5% luck. Either really good luck or really bad luck. And know that


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[Assistant] Really good luck can override the other 95% if you've just been sitting in camp smoking cigarettes and one walks by, you know. Sometimes that happens.


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[Assistant] I don't know if I could break it down. You have no control over that 5%. So, I don't know what 20% I'd focus on.


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[Assistant] Would I focus on the knowledge and experience? That takes years and years and years.


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[Assistant] I guess I'd just focus on 20% being hard work, even though I think it takes 75% hard work.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I would probably go to that same spot. It's uh, I'd say when elk hunting gets tough, it's a mental game more than it is anything.


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[Assistant] And prepare yourself for not giving up and go and go and go and know that the time you let your guard down, when things look the least likely to have something happen, that's when an encounter is going to be there.


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[Assistant] And if you don't have the mental fortitude to keep your mind sharp,


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[Assistant] When that encounter happens and you're thinking about, you know, life back at the office or, you know, the, your stock portfolio or whatever it might be, that's...


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[Assistant] I think, I think anyone who has out counted a lot has quite a few of those things that could, uh, uh, happen that way.


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[Assistant] Like you said, you're eating the last of your M&M's kind of kicking the dirt and an opportunity comes. And are you going to be mentally, first of all, are you going to be physically there or are you going to be on the ride home?


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[Assistant] And if you aren't physically there, are you going to be mentally ready when that chance is there? Yup.


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[Assistant] I honestly love the podcast, but I was wondering if you can talk about physical conditioning.


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[Assistant] Everybody paints this picture that it can be a barrier to elk hunting. Can you explain how spike camping can save a little or calling from the truck?


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[Assistant] Corey, please do a segment on nutrition on the mountain in the 4570 Mountain Ops program.


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[Assistant] I can maintain some level of fitness that allows me to get around the mountains.


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[Assistant] Out on our other platforms, the ones that Randy Norberg fresh tracks on your own adventure stuff.


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[Assistant] Uh, this week we are launching a new platform. And part of it is because of Facebook.


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[Assistant] I've, over the last five years I've come to realize that when it comes to content and information and stuff you either pay with your time through advertising, you know, you watch, you sit through a bunch of ads.


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[Assistant] And or maybe a combination of your privacy and personal information, which Facebook itself is at.


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[Assistant] Or you just pay with money, like, here, five bucks.


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[Assistant] I've decided I'm going to offer the third option of, if you, if you don't want ads and you don't want to deal with Zuckerberg and, and company, I got the option for you, but it's, I'm sitting in my studio and over here on the whiteboard, it's fresh tracks plus, uh, and that's what made me think of that. Very cool.