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[Assistant] With that, are you guys ready? I'm ready. I can't wait for this. We're going to start with the first award of the day. It is the most valuable person, not necessarily the player, but the most valuable person from the Browns in the 2023 season. After all the votes have been tallied, a clear unanimous number one, Mr. Kevin Stefanski, Andrew Berry.


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[Assistant] Edged out Joe Flacco in the second place spot and coming in third was the guy they signed off the couch out of his living room in week 13 of the season.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it came out Jim Schwartz first, Dustin Hopkins second, DeJuan Jones third.


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[Assistant] Not yet, but we're getting to the dispute. This next one, the biggest surprise of the year was by far the closest race we had. We had seven different guys get votes.


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[Assistant] The winner had the fewest number of number one votes of any category. And it was the closest race between one and two. This was the biggest surprise of the year. And the results. JOK takes the goal.


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[Assistant] Joe Flacco the Silver and DeJuan Jones the Bronze.


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[Assistant] That one was, uh, pretty contentious. The next one, I'ma tell you the two guys who just missed the podium. This is the biggest disappointment award. Juan Thornhill and Jerome Ford missed coming in third by one vote. So in a good thing, or for them, it's a good thing they missed it.


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[Assistant] But our top three, and there was a pretty unanimous number one, Elijah Moore. Yep. And second place, Zedarius Smith. And in third place, Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] Uh, one thing on Jerome Ford, Jason, I know we talked about, and you in particular talked about, he was the future of the running back room for the Browns. You actually had him voted the highest on your list at second. Why wasn't he above Elijah Moore?


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[Assistant] No, not even close. Alright. Alright, next up, this one...


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[Assistant] I made this award, honestly, just to honor Nick Chubb. It was the most devastating injury of 2023, which obviously, we don't want to celebrate injuries, but...


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[Assistant] Nick Chubb, we missed you so much. Nick Chubb was the unanimous 8 out of 8 first place votes. The only player in any category to sweep the first place votes. Deshaun came in second, and Dewan Jones, the Brown Stellar Rookie, came in third.


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[Assistant] Let's start with the offense. It wasn't unanimous. There was one vote for the guy who came in second place, but seven of the eight of us voted for Amari Cooper first. David and Joker swept second, except for the one vote that he had in first place.


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[Assistant] And it came down, third was a little interesting. Flacco nudged out Wyatt Teller. Wow. By one point. I voted for Wyatt Teller third.


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[Assistant] That ended up being the order of Flacco nudged out Teller by one point.


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[Assistant] Oh, for defense? Yea. Yea, it was not unanimous for Myles Garrett. Wow. J.O.K. had two first place votes. I voted for him, I'm not gonna lie. And so did Anthony. But, in the end of the day, two votes doesn't outweigh six. Myles Garrett came in first. J.O.K. came in second. And Denzel Ward. That was my one through three.


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[Assistant] Yes it does, and we're just a couple days from the Super Bowl. How about the Browns last night? We don't make it to the Super Bowl, but when we're up for awards, they win them. Wow! 4 for 4 last night.


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[Assistant] That was impressive. I mean, it was one after another. The one that most surprised me was Joe Flacco. We'll talk about all of them coming up in just a little bit. But wow, we do 90 minutes today.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Had no idea you were a Madonna fan. 10-10! I love you, Madonna! So it's funny because when we, Mike Polk was live outside for our 5 o'clock show last night.


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[Assistant] And I ju- I said, show time is like, whatever, two hours away, whatever, and I said, or not. Because Madonna is just famous for dumping on her fans.


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[Assistant] It was funny to me how the younger people that didn't live through the Modell move were up in arms about this. And I'm like, yo, they're not going to Baltimore. They're going to Brook Park.


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[Assistant] There will be, and this is why he wants to move it to a place that you can do this. It will be Brown's Town. Wherever it goes, whether it's Brook Park, Independence, it doesn't matter. The reason for this move, and the reason that there were 175 acres involved in the buy, is because it's going to be like SoFi.


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[Assistant] Which has become football town in Los Angeles. It's just not, it's not, the days are gone where you just drop a stadium and a parking lot around you.


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[Assistant] It'll be convenient though. Like the thing of it is a lot of people are kind of bemoaning the fact that it's not going to be downtown. There are a lot of people that don't like the fact that it is downtown. Yeah, we don't know that. Don't know that at all.


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[Assistant] I missed a conversation yesterday where you guys basically, the talk upstairs was, he's using this as a crowbar for leverage. Yea, we talked about that. I think this is a game of chicken though, he's willing to not blink.


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[Assistant] Like, I think he would be just fine if he had to build his own compound because you talk about revenue streams, now you're not using it 8 days a year, you're using it 150 days a year.


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[Assistant] The Home and Garden show, which is a 10 day, uh, event. Right. That goes there. Political conventions. Political conventions, the car shows, everything, the RV shows, the boat shows.


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[Assistant] Well, it's pretty much a dinosaur now.


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[Assistant] And the reason it would be a double whammy for the city is I believe the city owns and operates that. So that would be another gut punch to the city. Look, it's simple.


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[Assistant] The Haslums, it looks like, will put up a billion. They want a billion in free money. Which is outrageous. Which is outrageous.


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[Assistant] It is what happens. It just comes down to whether or not voters are okay.


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[Assistant] With subsidizing a billionaire's toy. Cause that's ultimately what it comes down to. So, I dunno, we'll see how it all plays out. Lot to get to on the show today. McNuggets, what's going on?


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[Assistant] So we were able to find consensus Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday then. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Also, we're giving our Super Bowl predictions and our headlines coming up in the 30 minute show. Before we dive into our content, I have to ask you because you're very excited about this. You were talking about it before the show.


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[Assistant] Yeah, his story was so remarkable. I think the fact that he was just out of the game completely. It's not like he was injured last year and came back. The guy spent two-thirds of the season watching from his living room.


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[Assistant] The reason I, I think they got this right ultimately. I think they missed an opportunity to do a big emotional five minute award.


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[Assistant] And so I thought they missed that opportunity, but I think at the end they got it right. The award is Comeback Player of the Year.


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[Assistant] And obviously there was a comeback involved for Joe. He was certainly a player. Uh, the same can be said for all the other guys on the list. They came back from things last year, either injuries or in Baker's case, you know, being dealt like a, like a banana peel all over the league. Um, so I was glad that Flacco won.


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[Assistant] I just think they missed an opportunity to honor Damar Hamlin forever moving forward.


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[Assistant] That showed great class from Michael Parsons. The disappointing thing to me was, and I don't know, I don't look at Twitter, I didn't see his feed. Did T.J. Watt afterwards at least congratulate Miles Garrett? I don't think so. Okay, so number one, he did a huge disservice to the NFL.


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[Assistant] To Miles Garrett, stealing his moment, and to the fans.


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[Assistant] You killed the drama. The second that tweet went out and NFL fans saw it, they knew exactly what it meant. Right. I'm really, not only am I disappointed, I'm surprised. I didn't know T.J. Watt was that guy.


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[Assistant] And that was a classless move. Yeah. Uhm, and I get it, if you just looked at those numbers.


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[Assistant] You would say, oh, well yeaah. I mean, he wins on every metric. But I love Micah Parson's tweet because we've learned at certain positions, it is, not only is it not about the numbers,


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[Assistant] You almost have to just weigh the numbers with a grain of salt. It is the film. It is the double takes. It is the effect on quarterbacks. Look, I thought TJ had a great year and I thought the voters got it right. It was very close. But for him to air his sour grapes and to spoil the award before it was announced, bad job on TJ Wilde.


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[Assistant] Man, I thought the same thing last night. I said now he can move his preseason focus, saying I want to be defensive player of the year. Now, and I think he even alluded to this at the end of his speech, now we can think about team oriented awards. Not that he wasn't before, but I didn't like that he talked about individual awards before the season.


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[Assistant] I agree with that wholeheartedly. Uhm, I love that he said that he took a line from LeBron. Cleveland, this one's for you. That's right. Obviously that's not the trophy Cleveland wants.


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[Assistant] Cleveland wants the Lombardi Trophy. And he did make mention that bigger things to come or whatever his last night was before I walk out. By the way, two things on the dress. Number one, Miles Garrett killed it with the white suit and white shoes. He gets my award for best dressed tonight. Can we put the shot of Jim Schwartz back up? I hate to delineate by color, but Jim Schwartz


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[Assistant] I mean, I honestly thought that this, and Jimmy did too, Jimmy Donovan did a piece yesterday, he thought Stefanski could be, but he thought that Ryans would be.


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[Assistant] It's the guys that did the best coaching job with the talent he had and the circumstances he had. And I think in Stefanski, it was clearly the circumstances. If you would have been a vacuum said before the season, the Browns are going to go 11 and six and Stefanski is going to get the coach of the year, you would have said, why?


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[Assistant] When you consider, one of the things that was kind of hard for me last night watching was to watch the Texans.


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[Assistant] I don't know if CJ Stroud got MVP votes. He was mentioned as a long shot. I don't think he got any votes that I saw.


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[Assistant] I thought yesterday when Jim did his piece on who was going to win, I thought I wouldn't be surprised if the Browns won all four. I won't be surprised if they don't win any of them.


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[Assistant] I don't think anybody was a slam dunk. Like for me, the MVP was a fait accompli. I had no doubt Lamar was and should win it running away. But I didn't really feel as strongly on any of the four. I thought because of the way Miles Garrett finished the season,


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[Assistant] And because of the season that Houston had, our two favorites could end up on the outside looking in. And the other two guys that won, I think, not that Schwartz was a long shot, but I thought Flacco was an extreme long shot.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I think it's because he missed the last third of the season. He was, he had a great season, but it just hurt me to watch.


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[Assistant] I want, I want to say something because I think as a group, we believe that this is done. Right? That Kevin Stefanski won't call plays next year.


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[Assistant] Uh, Jimmy Donovan, who's very close with Kevin Stefanski, is insistent.


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[Assistant] That Kevin Stefanski is going to call a playstation. Okay, I hope he's right. And I hope Jimmy is, he's got a good pipeline. So I think that just that tells me that Kevin is likely telling Jimmy or Jimmy's hearing it from someone.


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[Assistant] I don't know who else was there. Micah Parsons accepted for CD Lamb. Yes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I just brought the place they picked. The one that won was the DAC 96 yard touchdown completion to CD Lamb.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Chris, I need to know what you think about that because we waffle back and forth before the Ravens game. There were a lot of people in town that were like, this is what it is. He's never going to be Deshaun Houston.


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[Assistant] Then after the second half of the Ravens game, you know, the next day it was announced the season was over. Right. But after that half against Baltimore, everybody kind of looked around and said, okay, that's what that looks like. And he can be that guy. What do you say?


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[Assistant] Chris, uhm, many days, many, many hundreds of days, I sat between you and Skip Bayless. And you just now sounded a whole lot like Skip Bayless with that LeBron diss.


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[Assistant] Let's go. I think Mike should get in on that. He's a sniper. He's a big shooter. Hey Chris, did you go to Rob Parker's 60th birthday? Yes, I did.


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[Assistant] He and Skip used to have some knockdown dragouts because he was a regular on first take and


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[Assistant] He was very pro LeBron, of course, during the years of his prime and, you know, we know what Skip thought of LeBron. He doesn't have the clutch gene and everything else. But man, did, uh, did I moderate some epic debates between those two. Sometimes I thought hands were going to be thrown. It got that heavy.


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[Assistant] Donovan's doing more by himself. Now, he also has great players around him.


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[Assistant] Uh, back to the original point, I was, I'm okay with them not making a move if basketball in April looks different than it did last April.


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[Assistant] You know, if they go out there and lose their first round playoff series again, they're going to be favored, most likely, unless they slip into five. They're going to be favored. If they lose that,


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[Assistant] I do think that I'm okay with them reaching that conclusion because things look different now. Things are different this year than they were last year in the preseason. I think that their record last year at this time was just about the same, maybe a little better. No, no, it's better. It is better this year. By the way, I love that I got


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[Assistant] I want to ask Mike a question before we move off this topic, and Bull, I didn't mean to interrupt you. No, it's fine, go ahead. You can make it after this.


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[Assistant] Okay, so let me ask this question. I know that that's the standard and that's the paradigm.


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[Assistant] But when you have so many parts that play roles like this Cavaliers team, why can't they continue to go as deep in the playoffs with their bench as they do in the regular season? It works.


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[Assistant] But now those shooters and those 8, 9, 10 guys on the bench become defensive liabilities and those are the matchups the teams are going to seek out. Exactly.


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[Assistant] Biggest key, I think. And to your point that he went to camp or something because now he's not a liability for half the time he's on the floor. And I can't wait to see


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[Assistant] How they use their rotations in the playoffs this year. It's going to be fascinating to me because last year I thought they just completely misplayed all of that, but they've got better moving parts this year.


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[Assistant] I mean, I know his big contributions were on special teams, but he was also a productive player. More than Josh Cribbs. Yeaah. He wasn't.


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[Assistant] No, I mean, it's got 8 kickoff returns and 3 punt returns for touchdowns. 11 total returns. Where does that rank him all time? Give me a sec. Cause I think he had


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[Assistant] In terms of return touchdowns, it's a massive difference. What about total return yards? I know, I think he has the lead in those.


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[Assistant] But okay, while he looks at that, I agree with you. Um, Ray Guy.


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[Assistant] If you make an all-decade team, odds are you're going to the Hall of Fame. Yes. But not at that position. No. Right, right. I don't want to completely dismiss him.


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[Assistant] as a wide receiver quarter for the Browns. Now obv you know, wouldn't be consi based on that. But I alway they should have used him because he played in the I thought he could have been wildcat quarterbacks ever


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[Assistant] Uhm, if, that position, as much as any, can pivot a game. It could, yeaah. It's a huge position.


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[Assistant] Why, why shouldn't there be the best from every era in the Hall of Fame?


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[Assistant] Dozens and dozens of wide receivers, linebackers, you know, those are all key positions to the game, but you could think back on some games that were absolutely flipped because of a big return. That's true, but in the


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[Assistant] What if we did this guys? What if, I almost feel like the Hall of Fame, because special teams, it's such a different animal. If you're strictly special teams, you're on the field for 10, 12, 14 plays a game. I almost feel like there should be a special wing.


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[Assistant] I know they're kickers and I know we look at them differently, but when you've got the best, it changes your team.


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[Assistant] Not just, not just this year, but in their history. They lost a Super Bowl because they missed a chippy.


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[Assistant] You have to be a mercenary. You have to be run with your hair on fire. And, and I, Cribs was so good at catch and go, you know, and he went north and south. It's the guys, the guys that drive me nuts. And,


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[Assistant] Peppers did this when he was here. DPJ did that when he, this when he was here. The East West running is terrible.


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[Assistant] The only player on punt that can be on the line of scrimmage is the center. Everybody else has to be five yards back.


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[Assistant] Well they don't want the kickoff return. That's the one where guys get a 60 yard head start and just take someone's helmet off. The punt return, the gunners are so good. When you watch a really good gunner,


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[Assistant] They are so good at getting, working off double teams. Yeaah. It's like within two seconds.


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[Assistant] They're 15 yards down the field and their defenders are nowhere near them anymore.


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[Assistant] I mean, the over-under jumps out to me. I think that's pretty low.


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[Assistant] We got two great defenses. Really, really good defenses.


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[Assistant] Like if you want a big payoff, that's the way to go. But man, to get one of each in the Super Bowl against his Kansas City defense.


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[Assistant] One sec. He had a lot of receiving. You know, they had two players up for the MVP, San Francisco. Kansas City didn't have any. No. McCaffrey the


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[Assistant] I feel comfortable with that, guys. I feel like Joe and Zimbosa are both really good bets to get us out.


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[Assistant] So a $10 bet becomes $180. Correct. A $1,000 bet.


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[Assistant] Do we have a social that gets more traction over the others? Twitter. Twitters are leading traction.


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[Assistant] Right, are they, uh, who's the betting favorite? San Francisco?


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[Assistant] We should do that every Friday, by the way. We each pick someone out-of-pocket Friday. Out-of-pocket Friday, I like that. Out-of-pocket Friday, and we each, you know, we each pick our dude.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it is a little, I mean, you're only, there's no double dipping cause it's just taking one. But I've seen people like load up a chip with stuff and their fingers touch some of the remnants and I'm out at that point. I need another one. It's got a high variance.


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[Assistant] Yeah, come on Steve, you're better than that. First of all, it just looks nasty.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm a little disappointed, but I'm happy for him because I think it's a good choice for where he's going.


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[Assistant] Welcome to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. Coaching Moves Afoot. We've got all kinds of conversation based on the coaches that are going, the coaches that may be, uh, heading to the Browns. Lot to get into there, uh, on the guest list today. Aditi's going to join us. That's always fun when she's here. She's going to give us her insights on why the coaching changes were made.


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[Assistant] It's interesting, there's a lot going on, uh, with the whole thing. I'm confused. Lots to talk about. And a lot of, I will say this, I'll start with this, uh, Jim Donovan presented a very interesting theory to me yesterday.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that it's gonna be interesting to see who ends up as the OC.


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[Assistant] And it will, it might be indicative as to who has more power in the organization. If it's, if it's a guy with Stefanski ties.


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[Assistant] Look, when a key position like this comes open, everybody has their guy in mind. Whose guy gets the job, according to Jimmy, and I agree with this, you could say this for almost any organization, where there is a question as to who's ultimately at the top of the food chain and calling the biggest shot.


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[Assistant] Exactly. Now, I've always been of the mindset that the head coach should pick the coaches. They're the guys that are working most closely together. And I've always thought it was a meddlesome franchise that


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[Assistant] Has someone else in the organization telling the coach who his assistants are going to be. It never made sense to me.


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[Assistant] That's right. So if you're Kansas City and you win the Super Bowl or you make it to the FC Championship game and all of your key pieces are coming back, you stay put.


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[Assistant] Because what they do year in and year out is repeatable. What Buffalo does year in and year out is repeatable. Of all of the blueprints to the playoffs, the Browns have the most unrepeatable blueprint of the 14 teams.


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[Assistant] Poorly as they played, think of this. They will likely host Kansas City. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] What they should do is the, the host of the tournament should pay the taxes. Or just do it this way.


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[Assistant] You get the boat and we're gonna pay you $3,500 in cash so you can pay the taxes. Right, right, right. Or, you know what, Jay Harris from Sports Center. Yea, sure. Uh, very good friend of mine. I was actually supposed to be playing in this tournament with him. I had to back out at the last minute. He hit a hole in one on a hole in one.


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[Assistant] But anyhow, I thought that was interesting and sort of to put a bow on this story, which has a great ending, especially because you kind of have its eye to them. Yes. When society permits cheating, you promote cheating. That's right. We talked about that earlier this week. Yep. Michigan's going to get the old hand slap. Why would anybody play by the rules in the future?


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[Assistant] This tournament and I was so proud of the way they handled it. Not just the tournament but law enforcement because it ended up being a case of theft. Yes. They ended up


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[Assistant] prosecuting these guys. It was very public because this was an international story. So everybody in the fishing community was told loudly and clearly, if you put ball bearings in your trophy fish, you will be caught and you will be prosecuted. Those guys got jail time.


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[Assistant] You can hear in the background of the video when they gutted the fish and the ball bearings spilled out. You could hear a chorus of fishermen in the background saying, we knew you guys have been cheated.


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[Assistant] Not just Daryl Pryor. Jim Tressel. Jim Tressel lost his job. The university wore the scarlet letter. Literally. I would be livid if I was Ohio State. Well, the NCAA has, has.


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[Assistant] Recently made a comment that Michigan won this fair and square and we think this is a settled issue. Oh my goodness. The last thing they want obviously is the tarnish championship at a time when the NCAA is fighting for its very existence. Yeah, there it is.


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[Assistant] And Michigan who got caught red handed. The evidence is there. Their coach was suspended. They win the championship.


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[Assistant] I was not. I never heard of him before that. I asked around, um, good reputation, you know, a lot of the things that were said about, uh, Steven Vogt.


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[Assistant] You know, the, the Guardians new manager. Good dude, uh, competent.


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[Assistant] Uh, other than that, I did get a couple of responses from folks that have been covering the league for a long time and said, you know, I've never really had much dealing with them, couldn't, couldn't tell you. So I, I wasn't able to find out much about his philosophy, his style or any of that. Right.


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[Assistant] The reason I ask is- Reputable source. It's possible we lose Bill Callahan.


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[Assistant] And my train of thought on this is, and there is a chance that they lose Bill.


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[Assistant] You know, from what little I know of this guy, I think he fits the


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[Assistant] Listen, I covered Monty, never really fu- covered Lane as a head coach, but obviously was in the sphere when he was a head coach, and I agree 100%. Monty was high energy, gregatious, everybody loved him, funny, uhm,


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[Assistant] I know, it's interesting. I mean, maybe he took on his mom's personality. I don't know. I just think that's what's going on here. Could be wrong. I think a lot of people, if he's hired as the OC, would be really shocked.


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[Assistant] As a fan, you want your team to hire people that you know. You want your team to hire people like Jim Schwartz, who was going to be sought after by other teams if you didn't hire him.


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[Assistant] We're gonna talk about the two guys that we think would be logical choices. And then we're gonna have fun with the kind of a cartoonish, like who do we not want in here? But before we do that, I also had an interesting conversation with Jimmy yesterday in which I asked him,


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[Assistant] Uh, pretty pointedly, is there a possibility that the new offensive coordinator takes over play calling duties? And Jimmy did not dismiss that. He said, we'll see. We haven't heard that yet, but we'll see. And that's interesting to me because


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[Assistant] After last season, a lot of folks wanted


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[Assistant] To change the play calling responsibilities. Whether it was to AVP or a new OC or somebody.


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[Assistant] They wanted to see what the offense looked like with someone else calling the plays. Now that, all of that fervor died down this year because the play calling for the overly dramatic most part was very, very good. There were fewer instances this year where we were saying things like,


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[Assistant] Why did you bring in your backup to throw that ball when you had?


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[Assistant] You're throwing quarterback in the game. That didn't make much sense. Well, you're trying to fool the opposition. But, so I just thought it was interesting and noteworthy that Jimmy said


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[Assistant] We don't know. We don't know. So I, it tells me that he hasn't been told that Stefanski will definitively maintain or retain play calling. And that could lead to.


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[Assistant] It's really difficult. It's gonna be difficult for AVP to get another job. Not difficult, but more difficult than it otherwise would be. Because he, they're gonna say,


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[Assistant] Yeah, but you weren't calling the plays. But again, how are you going to get a good OC in here and tell him you're going to wear the hat and this message is you're going to take the fall but you're not going to


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[Assistant] Jimmy's comment was dead on. He didn't say it's going to be impossible for him to get in. He said it's going to be more difficult because teams are going to say, but you weren't calling the plays. And he also pointed out immediately afterwards, it's going to be difficult to get a high quality offensive coordinator in here. For instance, my number one choice is currently an offensive coordinator. It would be a lateral move for him.


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[Assistant] He's my number one choice because of some logical connections that he has to someone in the organization. But it would also be a very difficult sell.


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[Assistant] To bring him here to be the O.C. and not call the plays. Because he is currently calling the plays where he is. And we'll get to that in a second. But who's your, do you want to start? Who's your choices?


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[Assistant] for three years. Quick cor Bevel is currently and I number one choice. He is t


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[Assistant] Where is Darryl Bevel? Darryl Bevel is in Miami? Yeah. Okay, I thought for some reason Darryl Bevel was in Detroit. No, Ben Johnson is the guy. When was Darryl Bevel in Detroit?


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[Assistant] Yeah. I'm gonna be con- I'll continue to be shocked if we don't hear one in the coming days.


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[Assistant] It, it raises eyebrows. Yea, like, like a little bit. Because you just don't let a head coach go into the last year of his contract.


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[Assistant] I mean, even if they don't, you'd think that the organization would at least address it and say, look, Stefanski's our guy, we're going to get this done.


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[Assistant] And also on the, on the thought that he wouldn't want to leave Washington for Cleveland, he's dangling in Washington.


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[Assistant] They had pretty much the same offense they won the Super Bowl with last year. What happened? Because we've asked. What's different? The receivers are still mid. But also, working against him is exactly what we said on the day he took the lateral move.


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[Assistant] It was a, I'm betting on myself move, and the thought was, he's not gonna have the pieces in Washington to do there what he did in Kansas City. And if his offense doesn't look as explosive and as dynamic as Kansas City's,


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[Assistant] The luster of Andy Reid is gonna wash off of Eric B. Enemy. And I think, in part, some of that has.


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[Assistant] There are reports that he most, obviously a new head coach is gonna want this.


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[Assistant] So the way I did it was I went one and two of the guys who I thought were gonna get it, not the guys who I want. Uhm, I like Robinson because of his pedigree. Worked under Belichick.


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[Assistant] Worked under Pete Carroll, but most importantly, in his biggest role, he's worked under McVeigh.


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[Assistant] And I think that McVeigh is one of the most innovative passing game minds in the NFL right now. I don't think that's a stretch. Zach Robinson is tied to him.


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[Assistant] If I had my choice in a vacuum and could select anybody,


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[Assistant] And I do think this guy's gonna get a job, a better job than he has now. I don't think he's gonna get a head job yet. Pause.


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[Assistant] Uh, but I, I, I think he's gonna, he's gonna get a better job, okay? He's gonna get a better job, I think. Uhm, and by that I mean an offensive coordinator somewhere, or maybe it's here.


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[Assistant] Uh, the names that I gave you, uhm, I think that I, I, even though I totally f-


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[Assistant] Brain farted that, uh, Darryl Bevel is not in Detroit anymore. The immediately what I thought of was I knew that Bevel was at one point Kevin Stefanski's boss.


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[Assistant] And I checked around with a couple of people yesterday. Here was the question. Bevel Stefanski. Close? Close. To the point where someone told me that Stefanski recently


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[Assistant] And I don't know if they didn't say this year, but since being here, would run game plans by Darryl Bevel.


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[Assistant] Also has a good grasp on what that team does defensively. So it's not completely out of the realm of normal. I think people, good friends. It happens a lot. All the time. Uhm, Parcells and Belichick used to talk.


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[Assistant] Uh, even though their relationship was a little crazy, there were times where they would talk about game plans. And it's just, it's not uncommon. So, the fact that Stefanski


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[Assistant] What that tells me about the way he views Darryl Bevel is he has a great respect for him. A great respect for him. And when I asked, you know, are they, are they close? Are they tight? I didn't get anybody that said, no, they were just, you know, tangentially tied.


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[Assistant] I've been told that they have a good relationship, they're close, and that again, Bevel sometimes has helped with game plans or at least, you know, they've had conversations about that kind of thing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's going to be an O. C. It's just going to be where I think, you know, he's proven enough with the Rams as their quarterbacks coach that he's ready to be an O. C. Uh, again, not my choice.


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[Assistant] But if you're reading between the lines here, you have to have Eric Bieneme in there as if I'm setting odds on who it's gonna be. First it's Darrell Bebel, then it's this guy Eric Bieneme. Why?


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[Assistant] Uh, it was widely reported that just before asking the Houston Texans for a trade, Eric Bieneme advocated for the Texans interviewing Eric Bieneme for their head coaching job. They went another way.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Deshaun Watson, who did I say? Yeah, Deshaun Watson had told the Texans brass, I want this guy. I want you to talk to this guy. I want to work with this guy.


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[Assistant] When they didn't even interview him. And by the way, the move that they made was, you know, was laughably bad. It did not work at all. Uhm, so maybe in that regard, Deshaun Watson was right. But Deshaun Watson, once upon a time, wanted this guy to be his play caller.


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[Assistant] And it didn't happen in Houston, and that's why I think as we look at this from the outside, I think if they go with Be enemy, I think we're going to have our answer to whose voice is the loudest right now in the Browns organization. And it would probably be Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] The head coach needs to pick guys on his staff that he's comfortable working with. If he's forced to work with someone that he doesn't have a relationship that he doesn't feel comfortable with, there's automatically adversarial relationship. It's not going to work out well.


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[Assistant] This is my guy. And the whole team knows it too. And now you've got an adversarial relationship between two of the coaches that need to have the best symmetry on the team.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, you could get the answer to that. Just go to Deshaun and say, thumbs up, thumbs down, Bill O'Brien.


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[Assistant] No. No, Deuce is, Deuce is a running backs coach, right? Where is he? Carolina. Yeah, Carolina.


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[Assistant] If you were, if you loved Carolina's running game this year, then I think he's a great choice.


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[Assistant] I have some information that I have not been able to corroborate, but uhm, if this information is true, so I won't give the reason why.


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[Assistant] But, uh, I feel comfortable in my source in saying this.


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[Assistant] The reason for the change at Running Back's coach and Stump Mitchell being gone was not performance related.


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[Assistant] Okay. That's what I'm told. Gotcha. So the reason had, it was, it was something else other than performance. Players love them. Running backs love Stump Mitchell.


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[Assistant] By all accounts, he's done a really good job. Now, he's had a great running back and this year he didn't in the running game.


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[Assistant] Looked very, very subpar. Yeaah. Without Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] So I don't think that this was a situation where they were saying, we've got to make a change here because the performance is poor. There was another issue.


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[Assistant] If you're gonna start firing people for leaks, and again.


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[Assistant] You're gonna, that's whack-a-mole. Because here's what I was told. Here's what I was told.


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[Assistant] corroborated by four other people.


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[Assistant] Before anybody outside of the players corroborated it. So.


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[Assistant] You've got leaks. You will always have leaks. Every team's got leaks. You're never gonna get rid of them. Every, every... Bill Belichick, believe it or not, had leaks.


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[Assistant] I didn't see Grossi's report. I didn't see that report from Grossi. Uhm, did he write that?


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[Assistant] And I'd asked a second person this and they said, pretty sure that's it, but I'm still working to get that confirmed. So I didn't want to go. I didn't want to say anything about it, but as long as gross, he's reported it and it's out there. I have heard it from someone else. It's very credible. So, um, I don't know what your thoughts are on that guy.


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[Assistant] Sure, and maybe they, maybe, maybe there's a history of this. They've traced things to him, and they've gone to him and said, Stump, we can't have that. Now, if that was the case, and he was warned, and he did it again, then you can understand it a little more. However, this is what I'll say.


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[Assistant] I think the Browns and the way they handled all of this... You're sensitive. What? You didn't think it was gonna get out? Like...


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[Assistant] And I don't understand why that's wasted energy. They always put together a damn media release. It happened on Tuesday. It wasn't broken until early Wednesday morning. Like you had time to get in front of this story. And I'm told that the reason they're upset is because they obviously wanted to put their spin on the whole thing.


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[Assistant] I don't know what he leaked. I don't know what he told and to whom he told it. I have no idea of that. Again, I was told by two people that one person definitively, this is why. The other person said,


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[Assistant] Stop being concerned about the stuff that you don't need to be concerned about. You did it. Now you're mad that the media reported it.


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[Assistant] No, but in general about the team and the progress they've made, and particularly the organization. Now they're getting hot over, uh, something that they did, getting out to the media from someone within the organization. That's going to happen forever, and here's why.


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[Assistant] In the old days, there were four guys that covered the NFL for a living on TV.


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[Assistant] Now there's 40,000. We've got a local guy who's a student at Kent State who has broken a number of big stories around the Browns this year. Brad Stainbrook, shout out. Wonderful job by Brad. I was talking to some reporters yesterday and because this is now a topic, we were talking about ethics and journalism and you know,


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[Assistant] How these stories get broke. What you're obligated to tell a team before you break a story.


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[Assistant] That was never in any of journalism classes. Like, you've gotta inform your, uh, your subject that you're covering when you're gonna break a big story. That's a courtesy that oftentimes is afforded. Right. And oftentimes it's afforded because you want to give the organization a re- a chance to respond.


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[Assistant] You know what, it's up to the consumers, us, to decide who is legitimate and who is not. If I throw a name out, Adam Schefter, if he puts it out there, I believe it.


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[Assistant] You know, there are certain people that if we hear they're reporting it, we know it is true. They've done that through hustle, hard work, and decades of a career of being right.


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[Assistant] They live in fear and they all have recurring nightmares. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] They lose a scoop on a major story and they're called from their boss and say, how did you not have this?


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[Assistant] So what that leads to is the competition guys in that space. I would not for a million years.


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[Assistant] I wouldn't do what Adam Schefter does. The man, his life is right here. That's right. And my, the objective of me, how I want to live my life, I want to live less here and more here. And Adam is in his many, uh, phones.


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[Assistant] And they live in fear and what that does, Bull, to your point, it increases the pressure and they're more likely to hit send.


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[Assistant] Woj is never putting anything out there that he isn't completely...


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[Assistant] Uhm, in general you're right. I think you're right, Bull. I think the baseball community, and it might be due to the fact that, uh, beat writer, you know, the individual beat writers that get cemented in with the team.


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[Assistant] Baseball players move more frequently than football players do. And perhaps now that if they had five sources with the Yankees for the period of five years and now one of them goes to the Dodgers, one of them goes to the Cubs, it gives them sort of someone behind enemy lines in those cities.


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[Assistant] I don't think they stack up. I think they still come in below Cincinnati and Baltimore


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[Assistant] His, his wrist injury, was that a hit or was that?


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[Assistant] Just like his leg, it just happened. No, I think it was a hit. I can't remember for


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[Assistant] I agree with that. I think we're all in agreement. Uhm, I think to your point, what the Browns did this year is the most unrepeatable path to a playoff spot that perhaps I've ever seen. I've never seen a team do that with five different quarterbacks. Now go repeat that. It's highly unlikely. Uhm, we don't know.


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[Assistant] The Bengals and the Ravens have answered those questions. The Ravens reload. Ohio State always used to say, we don't rebuild, we reload. That's what the Ravens do.


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[Assistant] The rate, you know, Andrews goes down. Oh, they've got a weakness. Lively becomes a star. Uh, Zay Flowers out of the weeds becomes, I mean, he was good coming in. We knew he was going to be good. No one knew he was going to be that good. Here's something that we haven't seen yet.


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[Assistant] Is he gonna be an X Factor? Does he have gas in the tank?


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[Assistant] So I think that Baltimore and if you ask me in three weeks, I'll have a much more definitive answer. If the Baltimore Ravens flame out again in the playoffs, then it is for me, clearly the Cincinnati Bengals. Clearly they've got.


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[Assistant] The three amigos at wide receiver and assuming that Joe Burrow comes back and is not injury prone like we're starting to think he might be. If he can stay healthy, they've got the three receivers. I think the Bengals are one.


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[Assistant] The Ravens below them, the Browns and then the Steelers. But to your point, just as it was the case this year, they all three or all four may be separated by three games and all above 500.


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[Assistant] Well, there is, that's what we do. We, we, we, you know, we project, we try to figure it out, but based on what we know,


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[Assistant] We assume that he's going to get franchised. So in, for the sake of this discussion, I had him on the Bengals roster.


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[Assistant] Right, no, they're kind of one and the same. What did you make of Tomlin leaving the podium kind of in a huff when asked about his future there?


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[Assistant] You cleared up a lot. You cleared up a lot for us. I was confused. We were asking earlier in the show, why are the Browns so upset that we found out? Well, they're upset we found out because before they could spin it in the words you just used, Josina used the words and other reporters used the word fired. Now in everyday terms, he wasn't promoted. He wasn't demoted.


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[Assistant] He's certainly not back. So maybe they wanted to use the words. It's a mutual decision. It's a parting of the ways you hear that all the time. But I mean, we heard about it with Belichick, right? Of course we did. But what that here's so here's here's what that's code for. The team was done with you.


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[Assistant] But we're giving you the opportunity because of your cache within the organization and in Belichick's case, your incredible resume. We're giving you the opportunity to say that you're resigning. Well, Bill's saying, I'm not going to resign. I'm not saying I resigned.


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[Assistant] So we can all read through the spin and the rhetoric, and we know what it was. The Patriots were done with them.


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, you left your contractors up and you left.


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[Assistant] Well, Aditi, as someone who went through something very similar, and my situation is really incredible, because my situation was when I got a three-year paycheck for free!


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[Assistant] I understand that, but Aditi, you're a piece of this industrial machine. You know how it works. Do you really think that a team is gonna fire


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[Assistant] Or shake hands and say goodbye to three coaches.


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[Assistant] The buzzword that you use there is collaborative and we know that ultimately that's great. If you have an organization with four chiefs at the top and they can all agree on something, that's the ideal situation.


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[Assistant] But as you know, guys have their preferences and Jim Donovan made a good point yesterday. He said, it's going to be interesting to see how this job is filled because it's going to tell us a lot about the organization. Just as Jim Schwartz hiring last year said, but because this is Stefanski's area of expertise.


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[Assistant] His area of expertise, and as far as I know, he will continue being the play caller. To me, I don't think a collaborative is appropriate here.


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[Assistant] Kevin, this is going to be your right hand. Kevin, this is going to be your lieutenant in your expertise. You have to feel comfortable with this person. In this particular instance, I think this is a Kevin Stefanski decision, and I think it should be a Kevin Stefanski decision. Do you disagree with that?


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[Assistant] Wait, wait, have you confirmed it because I poked around with friends that I have in Tampa, they told, someone told me that the bucks were actually, you know,


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[Assistant] had taken action to not let everybody know who she was. Someone said the sports princess is this person's name.


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[Assistant] No, and that's fair, but Aditi, if, and I can't believe I'm gonna actually make this argument, but I've worked in local television newsrooms.


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[Assistant] For longer than I was at ESPN. I've been 18 years in local television newsroom, 17 years at ESPN.


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[Assistant] I felt for that girl the second I heard it. Now if I'm wrong, okay, I'm wrong. She bears some of the responsibility.


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[Assistant] It's all dependent on the available reporters they have. It's my guess that there were no sports reporters available that day.


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[Assistant] Uh, because oftentimes they work the weekends and they're off Monday and Tuesday. So because we don't have a sports reporter, we're going to send a news reporter out and someone in the newsroom


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[Assistant] There are often times people that are just not sports fans. They're just not. You worked in a local newsroom too. I was called a lot.


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[Assistant] During my years as a reporter and an anchor, Jay, someone just got arrested for DUI. We need you to go over to Ohio State to get a reaction. My line was this, touchdowns, me.


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[Assistant] Handcuffs. Newsroom. I don't deal with that. I don't know anything about that world. I, eh, now to your point Aditi, we're all, we can do homework. But the way I'm guessing this went down was it was assigned at 9.30.


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[Assistant] The reporter probably with no sports background whatsoever was set over there and it was one of those instances where


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[Assistant] And this happens a lot, unfortunately, and this is an indictment on our business.


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[Assistant] When a reporter is sent to a scene and they call back and say, there's really nothing here, often times what they're told by the producer, well I've got a minute and a half for my show for that story, so turn something.


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[Assistant] It's not a story. We gotta move on. We gotta find something else. But often times, we do the show at 6, the way it was produced at 9.30. So this girl likely was told she was gonna go out there and do a story on the Bucks getting ready to play a game in cold weather.


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[Assistant] Got in the news vehicle, drove directly to the news conference, knowing what question she was gonna ask, and asked it.


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[Assistant] Yes, she could have found out or done research that Detroit plays in a dome.


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[Assistant] But I could totally understand how something like this happens. And Mike's looking at me shaking his head because you've been in those meetings. You know how this stuff goes. They put her in a bad situation and it's unfortunate. Now, if it comes out that she's a sports person, no excuse.


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[Assistant] I'm glad you said that. I thought the clip was as notable for his response and the way he chose to handle it. Because as I'm watching it, I'm thinking, man, this


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[Assistant] The woman should be glad that she wasn't sent to ask Bill Belichick.


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[Assistant] A question like that. Or in the old days, Bill Parcell. How about Nick Saban? Uh, there's a lot of, Nick, Nick Saban's another one. And there are some coaches who I have decided and I won't name names. You probably know who they are. There are some coaches who I believe who love it.


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[Assistant] We've all asked questions that aren't great, but the one thing I've always been sympathetic for, and in fact makes me angry, is when a coach lights up a female reporter for a bad question.


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[Assistant] It is. Mike's saying we've gotta go. Should we make anything?


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[Assistant] And then you're, you're talking first person and you're saying, I can't imagine a more terrifying situation. Like by now, because you've said it so many times, we know it's a read.


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[Assistant] Garland's the future because Mitchell is not. Right.


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[Assistant] That was the best performance we've seen out of him. That's the best of his career. Since he's had a Cavs uniform on and to your point on Jared Allen, he's gonna probably break the record for the most straight double doubles by Cavalier. I think he's one shy now so he needs two more to break the record.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I'm gonna say this and I know everybody's gonna look at me like I'm absolutely nuts.


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[Assistant] I think we need to move at the deadline. I can't trade Darius because of what you said.


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[Assistant] But I can trade Mobly and I have come to the realization that this team can get a haul for Mobly.


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[Assistant] I know it hurts and every time I ask anybody in the know, is he going to be traded? Everybody tells me the same thing. Oh no, he's off limits. Here's what I've seen in his absence. Better ball movement, better team basketball. We don't need two of him.


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[Assistant] And we have two of him, and I just haven't seen the progression. Now, we might trade him, and he might grow into that superstar that we thought he was going to.


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[Assistant] But there's also a chance that he's hit a ceiling and he's, this is who he is because I've seen it for too many years in a row now. This is, you know, I thought for sure we'd see a step forward this year. I haven't seen it. I have seen it from Jared Allen. So.


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[Assistant] To me, he is a piece and a big piece. We can get a nice haul for him.


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[Assistant] And you don't move proactively to get into that small bubble, then why are we here? So we can finish fourth again. Right now we're in the four and the Knicks are in the five. Guess where that's headed.


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[Assistant] We gotta shake it up. We gotta make changes. This wasn't good enough. So key coaches were fired. There will be key personnel decisions made. Same thing with the Cavs. They don't get a pass.


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[Assistant] We weren't happy with how things ended last year. It's the equivalent to the way the Brown season went. You were super excited going into the playoffs and then someone stuck a broomstick into your front spokes and you went flying off the bicycle.


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[Assistant] To Mike's question and I won't give the answer. All I will say is because I'm going to answer your question the way I'm going to answer it, I'm not going to just sit here and hope that have different results. That's the definition of insanity.


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[Assistant] You think so? It's possible. Yes, it's possible. Because to say no, you'd have to be 100% certain that they can't. Is it possible?


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[Assistant] I bring Mitchell in and I say, we want an extension or we're going to move you immediately. What is it? Feet to fire.


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[Assistant] Then bye-bye. Yeaah, right. It's the inevitable. It's gonna happen. Right. Then get something for me. But you say, go ahead. If he says...


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[Assistant] Talk to me about this extension. What do we look like moving forward?


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[Assistant] But, and that might be the league's response.


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[Assistant] Or answer to the players controlling where the movement happens.


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[Assistant] I was just going to say... We'll give the news because we've teased it. The news is that Amazon buys Bally's. Right.


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[Assistant] Here's your only way to get them. Is DirecTV. You've got to go to DirecTV and get the package. Right. Or, now, if I'm not mistaken, you can get a streaming package through MLB of any team. No. You can buy that and it, it,


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[Assistant] Well no, you won't have to. You'll get the bare minimum package. And here's what I did, because I was in that dilemma. I can't be without Guardians games no way.


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[Assistant] I got the bare minimum package from my cable company, which is spectrum. I also get my home internet through them.


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[Assistant] Okay, so what I, I used to be DirecTV too. I switched from that to Spectrum and saved money.


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[Assistant] They do. It's poor right now and I'm really disappointed to hear that detail about the Amazon. Right.


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[Assistant] Okay, by the way, as all the talk that we had about how we don't like these coaching firings, we have to give the Browns the benefit of the doubt. Now, everybody was screaming Joe Woods had to go last year, but they got that one right.


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[Assistant] I try to shed a little of my late December weight, you know, try to get back in the gym, try to start eating healthy again, try to get a little bit of a routine. You know, I've gotten better, the older I've gotten at keeping that routine, but then, you know, earlier it was like September would fall apart, now I can push it to like almost Christmas.


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[Assistant] But, you know, the last 2-3 weeks of this year was...


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[Assistant] Yes. And the Texans, uh, Jason knows this. The Texans. Their food spread. Is unbelievable. You leave with diabetes. Is it the best in the league? You leave with diabetes. It's top three. It's top three.


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[Assistant] Last year? It was last year, the year before. Sometimes it's like that Homer Simpson meme where I walk in and just walk right back in. Atlanta is top 3. SoFi is top 3. The commanders is like the saddest setup ever. Maybe it'll be different.


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[Assistant] Looking at, uh, that would be really interesting. I don't know that there's a stadium.


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[Assistant] In professional sports that's that close to the airport.


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[Assistant] And the Browns are like, we can't even get a 50-50 off the ground, much less a 95-5 split. Right.


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[Assistant] For whatever reason, as much as this city loves the Browns, they can't get politically, uh, a stadium renovation or, uh, new stadium construction off the ground.


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[Assistant] The thunder could have moved, right? Like that could, that was something that...


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[Assistant] It's hard to envision any scenario in which the Browns would leave again. That gives the city a lot of leverage.


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[Assistant] And don't think that Deshaun Watson trade was made independent of what we're talking about right now.


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[Assistant] I would have said no, now I don't know what's gonna happen. I mean, if the stadium was gonna stay downtown, in the vicinity of where it is, no, they weren't gonna do a dome. They were gonna do a renovation, but...


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[Assistant] If that runs into a barrier and they have to rethink this whole thing, then I would say anything is on the table. I wouldn't predict a Dome Stadium. I don't think that they...


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[Assistant] So you get a Super Bowl maybe once, and you get a couple Final Fours, and... I think the fans would prefer it. I know there's some... I would prefer it. Some of these games...


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[Assistant] No, yeah, that's not it. You'd have to rebuild the whole thing. That's why I never thought a dome was viable, even if it did make sense. Right.


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[Assistant] I was a little bit surprised, not by, like some of the moves were not surprising. Stumpmental was not surprising to me. Um, TC, you know, I don't think he had a big enough role for us to be surprised either way.


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[Assistant] AVP was a tiny bit surprising to me. I didn't see that coming. He's really, Jason probably agree, very well thought of in that building. Uhm, not only by, uh, players, Deshaun included, but by, you know, other coaches. So, uh, and he didn't technically get fired. They were going to demote him.


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[Assistant] Play caller for the Patriots now. So I, I was a little bit surprised, uh, that it's gotten to this point, gotten this big, but...


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[Assistant] You know, I knew that if Callahan's son got a head coaching job, he was probably gonna go.


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[Assistant] I thought they might make a change at running back as coach, but the fact that it's gotten this point where the entire staff is going to be new, uh, and maybe, you know, Chad O'Shea.


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[Assistant] His closest friend on the, on the staff was ABP.


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[Assistant] And they still didn't need a receivers coach. They still need a bunch of coaches. So, uh, may not be done. It's a completely new offensive staff. And, uh, given the kind of season they just had, it is surprising. But when you think about it, what does this all come back to? And he wasn't part of the run they had late in the year.


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[Assistant] And when he did play, it was like this all over again.


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[Assistant] And it can't be like that if this team is going to be a true Super Bowl contender.


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[Assistant] I don't, well it's not his to offer, but he would definitely recommend O'Shea. O'Shea was in New England a decade before.


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[Assistant] He was in Cleveland. I don't know. I don't know what he's gonna do. Uh, I just, that would be something to watch out for.


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[Assistant] I think we're kind of in the hamster wheel again where maybe they bring him back, maybe they look around. If they get wide receiver two or wide receiver one, then maybe they don't spend a lot of money defensive end if they strike out everywhere at receiver.


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[Assistant] Maybe they're like, well, let's spend some more money defensively, get a bigger defensive end or, uh, you know, another player defensively. I think it just kind of depends what opportunities are there. But going into this off season, receiver,


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[Assistant] From everything I've heard is the priority. Now, it may not happen this offseason, it might be next offseason, but in the short, medium short term, that's where they're looking.


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[Assistant] And, and Mike has probably, well, you know, Mari's been, you know, healthy until the last couple of years, and even he's played through injuries, but that's a reliable, you know, he's older, but again, time is now, like this is not-


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I don't know, so, like you said, what if T. Higgins gets tagged, what if Pittman goes back to Indy, you know, what if Ridley, you know, re-signs with Jacksonville, or, you know, and they don't.


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[Assistant] They, they might not be able to offer the most to all these guys, right? Like they're pretty...


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[Assistant] Tapped out. I mean, they're the most expensive team in the NFL. They have cap space.


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[Assistant] Because of the way they've manipulated, uh, the salary cap.


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[Assistant] They were the most expensive team in the NFL this past season. They're gonna be the next season.


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[Assistant] Probably the year after that, so there is a limited...


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[Assistant] There's limited resources to what they can do, and I don't know that they have the scratch to make a big trade. I mean, receivers are going for two firsts on picks. They don't even have one to trade.


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[Assistant] And that Amari Cooper deal that they made, I mean like that, that might be the best move that Andrew Berry has made. They got him for a fifth rounder right before everybody was going for two first rounders. And Amari's a Pro Bowl,


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[Assistant] I didn't see that coming. Not to this level. When they extended him. That was a home run contract as well. So they have enough, but as we've seen in the AFC, you're probably going to need more.


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[Assistant] They would not be able to do what they've been doing. No. You wouldn't be able to do all these contract restructures if the owner was like, I can't pay the highest salary in the NFL for a, you know, a team that doesn't even


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[Assistant] It's like the NBA equivalent of like, they're a luxury tax team, but they're not, you know, a top four or five team in their, in their conference, like the NBA.


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[Assistant] You know, Jed was playing pretty well before the injury. It was kind of a low-key development. He really turned a corner for about a month there. It was like the San Francisco game until when he got hurt. Jed played really well. I imagine they're going to leave him at left tackle. And I don't know. I don't know what they, I don't know what they do. It is tricky.


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[Assistant] I don't know, Bill Callahan was a top three offensive line coach at the NFL.


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[Assistant] We never talked about their tackles late in the year because they were fine. You know?


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[Assistant] And their schemes have always been really good in the run game. Yeaah. I think it's, I think it's a big loss. It's not like they're not going to be able to, you know, Chobotonio is still an all-pro. Yeaah. You know, we'll see what happens with Teller, but they've got enough to be good, but it is a loss and


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[Assistant] You're gonna really feel it when they have these injuries and it's like who, you know, Michael Dunn's out there and Blake Hansen.


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[Assistant] I think he's gonna be back in Cleveland. I think they're gonna figure it out. Okay. But when is he back?


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[Assistant] I think that they will draft a running back. They should. I think third, fourth, fifth round somewhere in that range.


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[Assistant] I could see Chubb, at least initially, being the Kareem Huntback. Being kind of the short yardage. Huntscotch.


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[Assistant] And, I'm just, you know, he's getting older, same leg.


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[Assistant] Now, could Chubb get back and be a thousand yard rusher again? Sure. Is he gonna be the same player? That's gonna be tough.


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[Assistant] Again, it depends. So like, let's say they sign Mike Evans, right?


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[Assistant] Then I don't think you'd trade that pick for receiver, but you could still draft to them. Right, right. I mean, they were, they were low-key depleted at receiver at the end of the year, and even the guys that were hurt


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[Assistant] Like, I don't know what to make of Cedric Tillman. I don't know what to make of Elijah Moore. I don't know what to make of Marky's Good One. It's not like other than Amari you had...


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[Assistant] Someone super reliable that was consistent that you could really count on. And I thought Elijah started to come on late in the year when Joe Flacco took over, but then he got hurt. It was, it was hard to, to, to really evaluate where he was.


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[Assistant] Locks to be on the roster. I mean, I wouldn't call them little locks, but probably.


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[Assistant] I think Stefanski has enough juice in the building now that they can't force him to do anything. Okay. I mean, we're talking about coach of the year probably.


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[Assistant] Maybe twice in four years. Um, deservingly so. I mean, what he did this year with the different quarterbacks and the injuries was, was outstanding. He's going to be the medium to long-term coach of the future here in Cleveland. But I think that.


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[Assistant] Had Alex Van Pelt stayed, they would have just gone status quo. The fact that they made the move


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[Assistant] I am with you. It does feel like it's trending toward


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[Assistant] Dorsey calling plays, I think they just have to work through it. You know, Dorsey had only been there.


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[Assistant] Just a few days before that press conference I think they're gonna...


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[Assistant] They're gonna talk some more, but yea, if you ask me what I would bet today, I would bet that Ken Dorsey is the play caller, and this is not an indictment on Kevin, because I think Kevin's a brilliant play caller, it's just that


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[Assistant] The system that they want to run is not Kevin's MO.


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[Assistant] He's not, he doesn't come from, you know, five wide RPO, whatever they're going to do.


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[Assistant] You know, it's just been choppy with that. I don't know that it's necessarily Kevin's fault, but...


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[Assistant] They trying to get Watson to, this is a huge year for Watson. No doubt.


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[Assistant] I'm in Switzerland. I'm admitted as if that's like, like a toxic thing. I'm an admitted alcoholic.


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[Assistant] And then regardless of all the new intel that you get. That's right. You stay in that camp. That's right. It's too American.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because when I came off the set, it was 21-7. I'm like, what happened? The Bills were driving. Yes. Blocked field goal. They got a touchdown. Yeah. And it got very nervous for me, but I was not surprised at all by that result. No, no.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because the other six games were blowouts. Yeah, the other four. The other four were all garbage. Yeah, terrible games. Unwatchable games, even last night. Unwatchable.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but yeaah, I still, I think we should commend the Steelers though. They overachieved, as the Browns did, but once they got into the playoffs, they didn't fold like a tent, like the Browns did. If the Browns had given that kind of effort and played with that kind of heart, I believe their talent was enough to overcome Houston. But they didn't bring it.


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[Assistant] Talk about the game, don't talk about the future. Leave that for tomorrow.


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[Assistant] And Tomlin huffed away from the podium. I don't have any problems with that. I mean, if you want to talk about the game, I'm here to talk about the game. We can talk all you want about the game. There's plenty of time to talk about the future.


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[Assistant] Let's dissect that down the road. Let's talk about the game tonight. That's why I'm


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[Assistant] He's the kind of guy that can make a difference in that game. Is he enough for them to beat the Bills? I still doubt it. I don't think so. You weren't here yesterday, so why don't you give us your quick thoughts on the Browns' effort in Houston so our viewers that watch us regularly can get your ideas.


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[Assistant] Because I think it's dead wrong. The gains are higher intensity and raised to a level of speed that they hadn't seen.


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[Assistant] Why would you lay off? I know you're trying to say, well, let them stay healthy. They had 16 days between it. I think to take your foot off the gas when you're in the home stretch is a terrible idea.


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[Assistant] When Collins was lined up in the slot, before the snap, he switches with the receiver to become the outside, and the players, instead of handing that off, made the switch as well, and now Collins has Gnu on the outside. Touchdown.


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[Assistant] How did the Texans take Amari Cooper out of the game?


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[Assistant] Opposite side of where you sit. Right. Exactly.


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[Assistant] Uh, my overall statement is Baker has officially redeemed himself. That's pretty much my thesis statement from what I've seen, not just last night. Last night he had a good game against a team that just


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[Assistant] Look like they quit six weeks ago. Why? I have no idea. I have friends that are Eagles fans that texted me this morning, please let this be the day. They want all the coaches out. They think that that is the cancer of that team.


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[Assistant] And when he ran through the tunnel after the Chiefs win, yelling at Chiefs fans and...


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[Assistant] That was embarrassing. Just awful bravado. I hate that kind of stuff.


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[Assistant] Who would have guessed that two months later, this guy is going to be wrangling for his job. Unreal. But as it pertains to Baker, he has officially redeemed himself. When he left here, obviously the pendulum on him was not a good player.


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[Assistant] Carolina gave up on him and released him. The Rams, they showed a stat last night that I didn't even know this. I knew he had played for a lot of head coaches.


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[Assistant] He has played for an NFL record eight head coaches in six seasons. That's, that's mind churning. It really is. He has said for the last six weeks, I feel more comfortable now than I have at any point in my NFL career.


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[Assistant] He's told reporters that I know that cover the bucks, and this is kind of a backhanded dig at Cleveland and whatever.


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[Assistant] And, and to a certain extent he did, but I thought Baker always played with Chip and onions and bravado. And, and I think that's a good thing if that's who he is. Jason made a great point out today. Can't change who you are. He tried to after he had a bad season. He did some self reflection.


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[Assistant] On the field and off the field. By the way, he did make off field changes.


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[Assistant] On the field, when he went to LA, McVeigh told him, no, no, no, no, no. That's what won you the Heisman Trophy. That's what got you the overall number one pick. That's what put you into the playoffs.


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[Assistant] Go with that. He did. He did all this year and I think he's officially better.


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[Assistant] That's a long way to go to relitigate a tate.


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[Assistant] He's played so much better than you ever anticipated he would.


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[Assistant] I didn't mention that until now. Okay, I guess that means he stalks.


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[Assistant] I know, and I think your instinct was right. This, this is not of any value, I don't think, to Cleveland Browns fans today when we're trying to figure out.


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[Assistant] I get it. What would you do, Jay? I'll move quickly. Sound the trumpets. Bull and I are almost in exact lockstep. Can the question to answer the question first, can the Browns trust Nick Chauvin is running back in 2024? That's an absolutely yes for me.


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[Assistant] Secondly, to Bull's point about if he hits the open market, there are 31 teams that know what he can do on Sunday.


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[Assistant] They have more information than everyone else. That information needs to lead them to restructure his contract. I think he, when has he never been anything but a great


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[Assistant] He will restructure his deal. He will make it so it's team friendly. He's, that's who he is. I agree with the Adrian Peterson comparison. I know that some people look at that as blasphemous.


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[Assistant] I believe that. Mindset-wise. Mindset, physical gifts and work ethic. That's a big part of this. So, he's deserved the chance to come back to Cleveland and I want to see him finish his career with the Cleveland


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[Assistant] Can't imagine seeing him in another uniform. It hurts my heart to think about Nick Chubb in another uniform. So now, all of that being said,


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[Assistant] He will not be the same Nick Chubb that we've seen before. He just won't be. History tells us that you never are after this kind of injury. You had talked about he'll have a slow start. He'll get better as the season goes. Completely agree. I will say his ceiling has moved down. How much? I don't know. I don't think a lot.


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[Assistant] I know he did. He had some home runs. When I close my eyes and think of the average typical run for Ford, it's him middling around behind the line of scrimmage and maybe getting two yards. When I think of Nick Chubb, I think of him


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[Assistant] Powering through a hole, hitting at the second level, knocking someone on his ass, and getting nine yards. But that's the difference.


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[Assistant] No, both. I mean, a great back can obviously look better with a great offensive line. We've seen that version of Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] I think that's fair. Now again, I think that he has a new ceiling that's slightly lower than his old ceiling.


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[Assistant] I hope I'm wrong. I hope he comes back next year and has the best season of his career. If anyone can do that, it's this guy.


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[Assistant] If you wanna run straight, if you're a wide receiver and you do an ACL, it's easier to come back. When you're a running back, much of what you do is to put your foot in the dirt and go the other way. And that's what stresses the ACL.


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[Assistant] Uh, the answer is definite no. That one's easy. Because it was framed as 100% sure.


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[Assistant] Nothing is 100% in the NFL. Nothing ever.


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[Assistant] Probably will, but you know, I think the way to frame this question is, if you're going zero to a hundred on your certainty,


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[Assistant] of, of him winning a Super Bowl, I'm over 50% that I believe he can.


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[Assistant] So if you make me pick a yes or a no, he can. I would say yes, he can. But this question is will he? And I can't be yes on that. No one can.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and mine too, because again, if I'm going on that continuum zero, he'll never do it, and I know that. A hundred, he will do it, and I know that. I'm...


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[Assistant] I'm wondering, boy, you might know this or it might be something we have to look up. Where is he now on the most tenured coach? I bet he's top ten. I think he's tied for ninth, I believe. Isn't that something?


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[Assistant] Oh yea, you're right. And so is McCarthy. No, no, McCarthy in Dallas.


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[Assistant] And uh, Tomlin and Pittsburgh. Forget all that. Are there any other coaches that are dangling?


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[Assistant] I bet they haven't had a guy in the top half in a while.


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[Assistant] Could it have been Belicheck's last year? I mean, I don't know, but. What was he in Cleveland 3?


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[Assistant] Look how many times we've been wrong! In the last five years, look at the guys we've missed on. Right, and, and there's- Ooh! Do you think Sirianni was good six weeks ago? What do you think of him today?


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[Assistant] Gotta be able to win playoff games. That's very fair. That's it. I think he gets an extension. Now whether or not he sees all of that extension, I don't know. Right.


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[Assistant] We moved on from the quarterback, especially when he took a big step back. Right. We have got to decide, and this is, this is a tough place for you to live. The Steelers have decided for the last decade plus, making the playoffs is good. We can stay, we can stay there. Dallas has decided, we're a playoff team. We don't have any success in the playoffs.


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[Assistant] Jerry Jones and the Rooney's are making this decision today.


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[Assistant] But never penetrate the top five teams in the league.


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[Assistant] But I will say this, on the never thing, like, the one thing, the button that you can push with me, is an egregious no.


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[Assistant] I don't know why I'm taking a dark ass turn, but I don't think I could, but I know that in my lifetime, what's made me the most angry in my life are when things are said or done against people that I love, my family.


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[Assistant] That gets me to another level. And it really, you know, you hear crimes of passion. Yeah. And I don't think it's necessarily passion based, but it's, it's family love that like there's nothing that can penetrate that. There's nothing that can break that. And for me, uh, but don't go killing anybody cause I don't know that I would help.


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[Assistant] What I would say is I can't believe the typhus I know is capable of doing that. Now, as it comes to bull helping bury the body, I think he might have helped him because he told me once that he would do that.


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[Assistant] I'd be like a Dateline episode. Bull told me once that he would help tie his buried body.


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[Assistant] I gotta say this, I hadn't thought of that as a coach.


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[Assistant] I would absolutely bring him back as a coach, but here's the real question. What does Joe want to do?


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[Assistant] What kind of options will he realistically have as a player next year?


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[Assistant] I don't know. Because of the way his fairy tale ended, that was a regression to the mean and I think a lot of teams might be worried about that. That Joe Flacco, we said this last week, it's in there and you know it's going to come out. You don't know when.


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[Assistant] But you know that it likely will end your season when it does. So as exciting as all that was.


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[Assistant] It wasn't just one team. There were a lot of injuries, more injuries this year than any I can remember at quarterback. And his phone wasn't ringing until we finally needed him. So I would not bring him back and here's why. If you bring him back, you have to be prepared to do one of the following. Carry three quarterbacks or lose DTR.


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[Assistant] And I have not yet made a decision on DTR that he can't play. I also haven't made the decision that he can play. And because of that, we need to see more. And we're not going to see more if Joe Flacco is in town.


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[Assistant] I said, sign him to an extension now. Now look, there was no harm in that because you could always cut him. You could release him.


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[Assistant] But, and what it does is it locks him down and keeps him from going to another team, if that's what you want to do. But I don't, I don't think that he's going to be back in a bronze uniform next year, but I would love to see him back with, as a, as a quarterback coach for Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] Well, but he was at a number of games. He was a captain for the Jets game. He was present at, no, I think there was another game. He was more than two, but still. He was at the LA game. Joe was busy, but the bottom line is


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[Assistant] And that's why I think the quarterback, the backup quarterback role is so important.


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[Assistant] The backup quarterback here in Cleveland, but what we've learned about backup quarterbacks, if they're any good at all, they're leaving after their first contract. So teams, I think one of the things we've learned about the league is teams are almost in this perpetual state of changing backup quarterbacks. Yeaah, that's just it. And that makes it really difficult for any of them to have great success.


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[Assistant] I know Tivus. Tivus wants to win. Tivus is extremely competitive. And so am I.


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[Assistant] And I can tell that that is the way you feel because you're a competitor. I was never a trash talker. Ever, ever, ever.


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[Assistant] Because I played for coaches early in my career that made it very clear that it sucks when you eat that crow. And I never wanted to be that guy.


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[Assistant] And I like that. I think on one hand, while, while it's bravado, it's also self-deprecating because you're saying it so absurdly that we know it's in fun. And I've always liked that about you.


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[Assistant] It was the truth! Why? It was the truth. I'll answer quickly. No. To the direct question, was the Browns defense truly elite?


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[Assistant] No, because as Bull said, elite defenses are elite all the time. Just not half the time.


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[Assistant] Half the time, the 1,000% at home were an elite defense. 1,000%. The numbers bear it out. Quickly, if we can have that graphic showing the home and away numbers. I've never seen this split before. You gotta go back to 1982 to find this big of a disparity between home and on the road. They allowed, and this is just stunning to me if you look at the numbers.


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[Assistant] More than double the points on the road that they allowed at home. And that 17.4 differential, the largest we've seen since 82.


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[Assistant] They had almost twice as many sacks on the road as they did at home. Touchdowns allowed more than double. For every touchdown they allowed in a home game, they allowed more than two in a road game.


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[Assistant] I, so the real answer to the question, I don't know who this defense is because they are so Jekyll and Hyde. I can't put them in a trash bin and I certainly can't put them in an elite bin. I'm with you. I think they're a good defense and I think their DNA is closer to being elite than trash.


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[Assistant] Wow, we played Clayton Tude, we played, you know, the Jets, the Jets started.


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[Assistant] Paul, you made a statement yesterday and I don't know if we can even look this up. I think you said we might have the most expensive offensive line and maybe with a few exceptions. I think you're right. I mean, I don't know how.


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[Assistant] It's a move you wouldn't make in season unless it was an emergency. You've got nine months in the lab or eight months in the lab.


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[Assistant] And he's been unavailable far too much. Right. Here's the thing. We can talk about that. That is water under the bridge. We are chained to that contract. And what scares me is I know we always talk about, well, the cap number, kick it down the road, kick it down the road. It's going to grow.


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[Assistant] I'm terrified about our day of reckoning. I know it's coming. I know it has to.


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[Assistant] Uh, this is below acceptable. Far below acceptable. Last year, Andrew Barry decided, rightly so,


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[Assistant] The biggest weakness from two years ago was our defensive line. We're gonna fix it. They did.


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[Assistant] They went out, they signed a lot of pieces. I kept saying, enough with the defensive line. Let's address the wide receiver.


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[Assistant] He tried, instead of trying to fix two things at once, it's clear to me now, his approach was, we're gonna fix the line this year, we're gonna fix the wide receivers next year. These numbers are absolutely embarrassing. Nijoku is your second number, uh, number two, uh, receiver.


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[Assistant] Now Elijah Moore might be your three. He's definitely not your two. He might be your four. Cedric Tillman might be your three.


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[Assistant] The two is currently not on this roster. They need to go out and priority number one. What's the, what's next season hinge on? We've said it a million times.


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[Assistant] All excuses. It has to be at the end of the year if he doesn't succeed. I don't want to hear, well we didn't have the wide receivers. Eliminate the excuses. Give him every tool he needs to be the quarterback we need him to be. What we trade for Elijah Moore?


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[Assistant] There were three receivers that the Browns could have taken.


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[Assistant] So here's what absolutely has to happen. And I don't know if that means Paul DiPodesta has to get his ass out of the room when they're talking about wide receivers.


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[Assistant] Here's what we know. The methodology that they've used to evaluate receivers is an absolute fail. It's not mid, it's an absolute fail.


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[Assistant] I'm talking about evaluating receivers at the collegiate level and trying to determine if that success will translate. Whatever they've been doing and however they've been making those decisions, it has to change because the enough haze in the barn that we know, they're not bad at it, they're awful.


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[Assistant] Okay, so you could go that route. Or you could go back to the well that has poisoned you the last four years. Go to the old draft? You could try the draft.


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[Assistant] You know what? Here's what, here's what we have to do. And this goes back to reevaluating how you evaluate wide receivers. What was it


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[Assistant] That forced every team to pass on Pukunakua four times.


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[Assistant] Most teams passed on them. Including the ramps. Five times. Well, not four times. The ramps? Well, they all passed on them four times. Just like Tom Brady. You know, the Patriots get credit for taking them at $1.99, but they also passed on them five times. So what?


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[Assistant] I want to know, like, how was that, how did that happen? How did everybody miss on a guy that, by the way, on the post-draft news conference, when Sean McVay came to the podium, he didn't say, you know, there's a guy we got in the fifth round or sixth round and I think he's going to be okay. He raved about Pooka Nakua.


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[Assistant] After they made the trade, they said, like we did, you better win the Super Bowl because the dark years are coming. How did they turn it around and get back to the playoffs? Just two years removed from the Super Bowl? They draft. They draft well.