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[Assistant] Uh, and this was Trevor Lawrence on his motivation. I want people to know that I'm passionate about what I do and it's really important to me, but I don't have this huge chip on my shoulder that everyone's out to get me and I'm trying to prove everyone wrong. I just don't have that. I can't manufacture that.


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[Assistant] I don't want to. I think people mistake that for being a competitor. I think that's unhealthy to a certain extent, just always thinking that you've got to prove someone wrong, you've got to do more, you've got to do better. End quote. That is on uh, that is on sportsillustrated.com. I think it's father.


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[Assistant] Later said that it's yeah, it's not the end all be all to him to go out there and win a Super Bowl. It's not what motivates him, you know? And I think he said he could walk away from the game and that's okay. Yeah, like his old high school coach said, yeah, I could see him walking away from the game and it's not like the end all be all to him.


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[Assistant] That's one of the bigger things that teams try to get out of a guy, correct me if I'm wrong, is how much do you love this game? It's gonna be very difficult.


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[Assistant] I mean, I think it, it's refreshing from Trevor Lawrence. Sure, and I think that isn't necessarily, doesn't have to be because Trevor Lawrence is white.


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[Assistant] It's like you can, he's earned that because like he's already proved that he's gotten to the top of the mountain here with that philosophy. If people really do believe, and a lot of people do, that Trevor Lawrence has gotten to the top of the mountain as a


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[Assistant] So I think if we had been talking about Justin Fields like that for a couple years, I think he could probably get away with that too. You know, it's one of those things where


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[Assistant] Alright, that is it. One final thing I wanna say. Right. I hope that the Lions draft De'Ami Brown at some point. Because watching your interview with him, I love that guy. I did too. And I know one of the things that you had to love, hearing from him, is that he didn't even start playing receiver until he got to North Carolina. I know. So he is still raw. Raw.


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[Assistant] Good guys. And if you're listening to this and want to see when Chris was talking about things that were on YouTube, you can go check it out on YouTube as well.


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[Assistant] We ended up disagreeing on eight last week. It was seven, and I was up four to three going into Sunday Night Football. However, when it was time,


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[Assistant] To potentially change our pick for the Sunday Night Football game because Dak Prescott wasn't playing and we expressly reserved the right here on the Joint Megapix Podcast last week to change our mind. I stuck with the Cowboys. Chris went.


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[Assistant] The Vikings. What a shame. How silly of you to trust your Minnesota Vikings in that spot. We weren't good last week. We just weren't good. I mean, I was feeling good about how I did, but I'm still only nine in six out of 15 games. That stinks, but not like you. Eight underdogs won last week. I wish I had.


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[Assistant] I picked a few more of the underdogs. I picked the wrong underdogs like the pathetic lions and the even more pathetic jaguars. Our picks are not quite pathetic, but we're getting toward that territory and now we head into week nine. What do you have to say for yourself?


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[Assistant] By the way, this is the PFTPM Chris Sims on Button presented by Under Armour. Joint Megapix podcast. We do it every Thursday during the season. We pick all games straight up and against the spread, and we're gonna get to it now as we get into Week 9. All odds, as always, presented by


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[Assistant] Points bet. Okay, so Thursday Night Football.


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[Assistant] New York Jets at the Indianapolis Colts where Carson Wentz may yet again try to throw the ball with his left hand. Actually on Friday's PFT Live, PFT Commenter was guest co-hosting and he mentioned


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[Assistant] The possibility of Carson Wentz throwing the ball with his left hand and having it returned for a touchdown. Is that right? That guy's, that guy's into some witchcraft. Cause he had it. He nailed it. How did that even come up?


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[Assistant] He just was talking about how, you know, I think we were talking about the Colts-Titans game and he basically said Carson Wentz can be counted on to try to throw the ball with his left hand and have it picked off and returned for a touchdown.


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[Assistant] Okay, let's get into Thursday Night Football. Jets at the Colts. Colts are


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[Assistant] 10 and a half point favorites. It's the second largest spread of the week with an over-under of 46. Chris, can Mike White make it two in a row, further cementing his opportunity to supplant second overall pick Zach Wilson?


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[Assistant] For the seventh seed. That, that seventh spot in both conferences is gonna be wide open. And at three and five,


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[Assistant] The seven seed. So we're on the same page there. Just a few points off in our estimation. Let's move to Sunday. One o'clock Eastern. The battle of the two purple teams in the NFL. The Vikings at the Ravens. Ravens six point favorites coming off of their bye week. 49 and a half point over under. 90% of the spread money currently is on


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[Assistant] The Baltimore Ravens. Chris, are you on the Baltimore Ravens?


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[Assistant] I already put my score in, see my score 31-20, we have the same mindset. Look, the Vikings have been doing this keep it close and hope for a late break thing all year. The problem is, last week they embarrassed themselves with how they handled the latter stages of the game and I think there is some dysfunction, there's some acrimony.


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[Assistant] The coach screwed up the timeout situation with the game on the line and gave the Cowboys five yards of field position, which turned third and 16 into third and 11, which became first and goal, which became touchdown, not field goal, which became game over, not overtime. That's on Mike Zimmer. And when it's time for him,


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[Assistant] To get fired at the end of the season, and he will if they don't make the playoffs. He still may be gone if they do make it in as the seventh seed and get obliterated by the two seed in the wild card round. I think it's gonna start to crumble.


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[Assistant] I'm on with Paul Allen, the voice of the Vikings every Wednesday on KFAN, and I told him after the bye, it's not going to be good for the Vikings. Lost to the Cowboys, lost to the Ravens, lost to the Chargers, and the Vikings are going to be free-falling. And I think they're going to go down 31 to 20 in Baltimore, and we're going to see more of this sluggish offense.


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[Assistant] We're going to see more of a defense that isn't nearly as good as it's supposed to be. And we're going to see the difference between a team that's elite and a team that is dog paddling in the middle of the pack and hoping


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[Assistant] To win just enough games to maybe punch a ticket as the seventh seed and then quickly exit the playoffs. And that's just not good enough and I think the Vikings are gonna have to, to make some real changes after the season because their fans are getting fed up with just good enough.


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[Assistant] Alright, New England Patriots on a winning streak. Three and a half point favorites at Carolina, which ended their losing streak by winning in Atlanta. The Patriots looking good. The Panthers trying to hold it together. Pats again, three and a half point favorites, 41 point over under. Who do you like in that one?


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[Assistant] I checked the injury report because Sam Darnold got rocked on Sunday. Rocked. Clean legal hit, but that's what happens when you run the ball and we're seeing more and more defensive players willing to treat quarterbacks like running backs. We saw it when Baker Mayfield got thrown into the sidelines.


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[Assistant] On Sunday, no flag. He's a running back at that point.


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[Assistant] Donald presumably thought when he got traded out of the AFC East.


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[Assistant] I get a break here. I don't have to deal with the Patriots anymore. Remember he was seeing ghosts a few years ago famously in that game against the Patriots. I agree with you. The Patriots are ascending. The Panthers are just trying to hold on. Right now they're the seventh seed in the NFC. There are nine teams jockeying for that spot.


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[Assistant] It's not gonna matter, cause whoever wins it is gonna get shredded by the two seed in the wild card round. I think the Patriots win this one 24-17. You know, the Patriots haven't beaten the Panthers in a long time. I know. Cam Newton was 2-0 against Tom Brady and the Patriots, so they're getting their chance.


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[Assistant] To settle things up a little bit with a team that isn't nearly as good as the ones they've seen in the past. So 24-17 for me, we're on the same page there. No disagreements yet. Let's move on to the Battle of Ohio.


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[Assistant] The Browns. The Browns is the Browns, but the Bengals isn't the Bengals. That's how I look at this one. The Browns have been disappointing at 4-4. The Bengals at 5-3. Cincinnati's a 2.5 point home favorite over under a 47. Which orange team from Ohio wins this one?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, you know, I'm on the same page with you yet again. I, I, I think that this Odell Beckham situation. Yeaah, right, that too. With the, uh. Yeaah. It's, how does that not create an issue?


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[Assistant] When they have yet to resolve it, and yet again today.


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[Assistant] Denver at Dallas, the Cowboys are 10 point favorites, even though we don't know for sure that we're going to see Dak Prescott on Sunday. Dak Prescott or Cooper Rush, I think the Cowboys good enough to handle an overmatched Broncos team. Chris, who do you like in this one and what score do you have with an over under a 49 and a half?


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[Assistant] See, I'm splitting the baby on this one. Wow, that's mean. I think the Cowboys win. Splitting the baby, woah.


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[Assistant] You're 41 years old and you've never heard of the saying splitting the baby when they brought to King Solomon


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[Assistant] The baby that was of disputed ownership, parentage, and King Solomon said, okay, well we'll cut the baby in half and each one of you will take half of the baby, and so the real mother said, let, let


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[Assistant] The other, let the other woman have the baby. And that was how King Solomon knew that was the real mother.


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[Assistant] The real mother would say, I don't want the baby cut in half. So anyway, anyway, there's your history lesson. That was good. Biblical lesson or whatever. And I can't believe you've never heard that before. Okay, regardless, the public school system has failed you yet again. Regardless.


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[Assistant] I think the Cowboys win, but I'm not gonna pick the Cowboys to cover just in the event that it's Cooper Rush, because if it is Cooper Rush, I don't think they cover, there's a chance they don't win. So I got Cowboys 28-20 for that reason and that reason alone. If I knew for sure Dak was playing,


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[Assistant] I'd say 28-14. I'll give the Broncos an extra six points under the possibility that we see Cooper Rush or we see Dax start.


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[Assistant] And maybe, you know, tighten up a little bit and we see Cooper Rush. I think there's a possibility that's how it plays out.


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[Assistant] We're not doing a float shark. You gotta, you gotta call your shot. You gotta call your shot. You're calling your shot? Alright.


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[Assistant] Cool. Alright, that's what I'm doing. I'm calling my shot. I'm building it in. I'm baking it into the cake. Yup. And splitting the baby in the process. Poor baby. Buffalo Bills at the Jacksonville Jaguars. Josh Allen versus Josh Allen, both taken with the seventh overall pick in the draft, one year apart.


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[Assistant] 14 and a half points, the biggest spread of the week, 48 and a half over under. How badly are the Bills gonna kick the crap out of the Jaguars?


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[Assistant] I saw how bad the Jaguars were last week when they had two weeks to get ready to play the Seahawks. They seemed lifeless and uninspired. I still don't know what the hell Urban Meyer was thinking going for one instead of two down 24-0 with two minutes left in the game and then kicking it onside afterward when he still needed three scores. I just, I think that that win over the Dolphins covered up a lot of crap.


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[Assistant] That is going to systematically be exposed over the rest of the year.


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[Assistant] Are gonna wanna prove to everyone and themselves that they can be dominant. They covered last week even though they looked uninspired against the Dolphins.


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[Assistant] Sean McDermott probably used that as a way to pull out the old red hot poker and apply it to the rear ends of his team. I've got 38-13. Bills win, Bills cover. Uhm, and it may be one of my best bets. I don't know. It worked for me last week. I may do it again. Alright, the Houston Texans.


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[Assistant] Basically you pick the team that's playing them every given week. The problem this week is. Can't pick them this week. It's the Dolphins. 2 and 14 combined. 2 of the most dysfunctional teams in football. 2 dysfunctional to land the plane on the Deshaun Watson trade that everybody wanted to do. The Dolphins are somehow 6.5 point favorites at home with an over-under of 45.5.


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[Assistant] Is this the week the Texans get their second win? Or is this the week that the Dolphins get win number two? Both teams won week one and haven't won since then. Right, I, I...


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[Assistant] I've got 20 to 17 dolphins. Same idea, dolphins win but they don't cover. And I've believed all along.


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[Assistant] This is a team that was in position to beat the Browns week 2 before Tyrod Taylor suffered the hamstring injury, although how much longer than


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[Assistant] Then, uh, will Tyrod Taylor last until he has his second injury of the season? I think it's fair to wonder that given his injury history in recent years, but I think he'll play well enough to keep it close.


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[Assistant] You know what? I'm doing, you know, I'm changing my pick. Tyrod Taylor's off the injury report. I'm flipping it. I think the Texans are gonna win.


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[Assistant] I got more faith in Tyrod Terrell than I have in Tua Tonga Bailoa. It's that simple. I'm gonna give the, uh,


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[Assistant] I'm going to give the Houston Texans a late touchdown. 24-20. Sorry General Manager of that team that wants to talk to me. Texans 24-20 win the game. I'm changing on the fly. It worked the last time I did it. It probably won't work this time.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's move on to the next game. The Atlanta Falcons at the New Orleans Saints. The Saints are six point favorites. We don't know who the quarterback is going to be. Taysom Hill or Trevor Simeon. I don't know that it matters. Over under a 42. Who do you like in the Superdome?


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[Assistant] I've got 30 to 23 New Orleans Saints in this one. Same point spread, same idea, same thought, Saints win, Saints cover, and


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[Assistant] We've seen what Taysom Hill can do. Last year he was 4-1 as the starter. I think he should be the starter. Who knows what Sean Payton will do. He's got a great way of keeping all of that under wraps until maybe the Friday before game day when they make it known.


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[Assistant] Who's going to start? I don't like Taysom Hill in the jack of all trades role because they don't use him enough in that role. It doesn't nearly justify the eight figure salary that he gets. So, use Taysom Hill, let him play, and the Saints defense, good enough.


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[Assistant] To hold the Falcons offense in check so the Saints can move to 6-2. The last game of the 1 o'clock window. The Las Vegas Raiders 2.5 point favorites at the New York Giants.


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[Assistant] The fish stinks from the headset down in New York. 46 and a half is the over under. Do the Raiders come out of the bye week with their third straight win, Chris? Yes, I'm gonna go with that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, look, I, uh, it's hard to have a lot of faith in the Giants after what we saw on Sunday night, or on Monday night, excuse me.


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[Assistant] I don't know how the Henry Rugg situation affects the Raiders. We have to take that into account. That's the kind of thing that can rock an organization to its core, but we saw how they dealt with


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[Assistant] Adversity to fly cross country, almost cross country to play this game. I still like the Raiders to win this one. This is the first one we're going to disagree on this week. 28-16, I think you're allowing your Giants fandom to influence you on this one. I think the Raiders are the better team and I know that it's a better spot for


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[Assistant] Oh, you picked the Raiders. Okay, then 2816. I thought you picked the Giants. Sorry, I'm multitasking. Pick up that phone and tell that GM you're doing a


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[Assistant] Yeah, 28-16, but we're on the same page. You also have the Raiders covering. I did not hear you because I was not listening, because I am distracted by the other things that are going on. Let's take a break. When we return, the late afternoon games, including the game that Chris has been waiting for for years, the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes against the Packers and


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[Assistant] Oh wait, Jordan Love. We'll talk about those in the other games when PFTPM and Chris Sims on button continue right after this.


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[Assistant] PFTPM, Chris Sims on button presented by Under Armour, the late afternoon games for week


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[Assistant] Nine. The halfway point of the regular season is here, and the Chargers, after losing two in a row, they go to Philadelphia. 95% of the spread money is on the Chargers at minus two. I feel like Vegas is either


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[Assistant] You know, it's funny, I thought you were gonna pick the Eagles and I've already typed in my score in the sheet here and I was thinking, am I gonna be tempted to change it? Is Chris gonna get me to change my mind?


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[Assistant] Ultimately you didn't because you picked the Chargers. I got 2420, you got 2320. I just think that the Chargers are moving toward desperation territory here at four and three. They lose another one and fall to 500. They got a problem.


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[Assistant] And this is a team that, that should be good enough to go to Philadelphia and pull off the win. We saw the 49ers win there earlier this year, not in convincing fashion. The Eagles are not gonna lay down. They didn't have a fire sale. They didn't move Fletcher Cox. They've got a pretty good defense. I just think this is an opportunity for Justin Herbert.


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[Assistant] Because all the hype, all the praise, the wins have to come with it, or you're gonna be forgotten.


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[Assistant] There aren't many quarterbacks on sub 500 teams this far into a season that we look at and say, hey, there's a franchise guy. Yeah, right. Your team has to back it up, your performance and your play and your


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[Assistant] Results have to be there, so I think they get it, but I won't be surprised. Uh, Chris, I agree with you. Yeah, you're kind of with me there.


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[Assistant] Green Bay Packers at the Kansas City Chiefs. Jordan Love versus Patrick Mahomes. It was Packers as a one point favorite. It's now swung eight and a half. The Chiefs are seven and a half point favorites in this game. 48 over under. Patrick Mahomes in company on a short week.


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[Assistant] Do they pull off the home victory that they so desperately need at this stage of the season against Jordan Love and the rest of the Green Bay Packers?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I've got 30 to 20 Chiefs, and I really do think the Chiefs will not be one of those teams that throws back a gift.


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[Assistant] They've been handed a tremendous gift with Rodgers not playing. They're not going to lose focus. They're not going to take the Packers lightly. They're going to do everything they can to put another W in the column.


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[Assistant] Because they've struggled so much this year, so I think they're gonna take full advantage of it. We have the same margin, we just have...


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[Assistant] The 49ers here, you know, the 49ers gave them a tough game a few weeks ago, and the 49ers are in that desperation mode, and I think that, you know,


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[Assistant] We saw it last year with the Cardinals. Once, once the bubble starts to bust. I know, it's scary. It spreads. It spreads.


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[Assistant] And if Kyle Murray either can't play or is hampered, that takes something away from the offense. He's going to have to stay in the pocket. He's not going to be as mobile potentially. We'll see. We'll see. But I just think the 49ers at home.


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[Assistant] Given where they are, given that they're caught up in that scrum for the seventh seed and it's going to be very difficult for them to climb any higher than that.


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[Assistant] If they're gonna have any hope, they need to pick off one of these teams in the division that is well ahead of them. The Cardinals are one of them and I think that the 49ers will do it 24 to 20. Let's take a break. Primetime games.


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[Assistant] Von Miller, possibly in his Rams debut, if he plays, he's still got an ankle problem. And the Titans without Derrick Henry. Sunday Night Football, we'll talk about that. And Monday night's game, when PFTPM and Chris Simpson-Button continue right after this.


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[Assistant] PFTPM, Chris Sims Unbuttoned presented by Under Armour. This is the portion of the show where we do the primetime games for Sunday and Monday. It's also the portion of the show where Chris has a message for all of you from our friends at Under Armour.


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[Assistant] You done? You good? You good? We must protect this house. I'm good. I'm ready. I'm just, I was- You done with this damn jeez?


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[Assistant] Johnny Schepter over there today. Can I tell you something? You will never catch me sitting at a desk other than this one, working on my phone while we're on the air live. And there are plenty of people who do it because they just want, I just wonder what they're really doing if they're just typing in their notes app.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of stuff happening in the NFL right now between Aaron Rodgers and Odo Beckham. I got people trying to get in touch with me. I've gotten texts saying call me right now. I can't call you right now. I have to call you when we're done. Please understand. I'm getting ready for a conference call as soon as we're done today that's very important on a completely different issue.


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[Assistant] That I'm gonna get some information about. Yo! This is just one of those days! Hey, you're a mover! You're a shaker! Hey, you got people to talk about! You got things to do! Hey, hey!


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[Assistant] Everybody wants to spin me, everybody wants to work me, everybody wants to get me to see their side of things before their side of things comes out. And hey, if they want to think that I actually have that much influence, fine by me. I don't think I do, but if they want to think it, I'll take it and I'll run with it.


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[Assistant] If anything, the effort to sway me is only gonna make it worse. That's what they always find out after the fact. And they're like, we thought this guy would be nice to us because we reached out to him and explained our position. Yea, I understand your position. I reject it. And it's stupid.


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[Assistant] And Derek Henry, unfortunately, that changed everything, so we find out what the Rams...


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[Assistant] And Titans will do without Henry on the field. The Rams are seven and a half point favorites. It was Rams minus six. I'm surprised Eric Henry being gone only moved at a point and a half LA's way over under 53 and a half. It's the highest over under the week. And 91% of the spread money is on the Titans. Chris, are you on the Titans?


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[Assistant] I've got 3117 rams, so again, too much of life this week. Yeah, I just think that the rams, when it's clicking,


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[Assistant] It's a blowout. And when it's kind of not clicking, they still find a way to win. The only time they've stubbed their toe was against the team they had dominated for four straight years.


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[Assistant] Correct me if I'm wrong. You've been in the locker room. The players feel like they believe in us. They're going out there to, they're trying to grab the brass ring. They think we're good enough to get the brass ring. Let's go get it.


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[Assistant] And, and there are people around the league who think the Rams are just afraid to use high picks. Maybe the better way to put it is the Rams aren't afraid to look at that unscratched lottery ticket and realize that a jackpot is not hiding under the metallic paint. Yeah, that's right.


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[Assistant] For a jackpot that someone else has already discovered, and that's why I'm so amazed that they were the only ones to make that move.


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[Assistant] Oh and by the way, it won't surprise me if Odo Beckham Jr. is out there running around on Sunday night wearing, uh, the, uh, the, the dirty water uniform of the LA Rams. That's what that bone looks like. That looks like it, it looks like it's been soaking in dirty water.


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[Assistant] 20 to 10, you've got the Steelers covering, uh, I've got the Steelers, you've got the Bears covering, sorry, they know who we mean, I've got the Steelers covering the spread, so, uh, and look, it's football, it's on TV, it's in a prime time window, maybe it'll be a close game, maybe it'll be a good game, I'm still interested.


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[Assistant] Color within the lines that they have this year. And they're figuring out where those boundaries are. And they've won three in a row. You can't deny that. And a lot of that falls to Mike Tomlin. All those Steelers fans out there.


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[Assistant] It's amazing how quiet they get when the team wins three in a row. When they're struggling, gotta get rid of Tomlin, gotta get rid of Tomlin. You know, the day you get rid of Tomlin is the day he becomes the coach of another team. There will be teams that fire the coach they have if they think they can get Mike Tomlin.


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[Assistant] Best bets and our Folsom Prison Blues pick. I lost mine last week for the first time. We'll do that when PFTPM and Chris Sims on Button presented by Under Armour continue right after this.


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[Assistant] PFTPM, Chris Sims on Button presented by Under Armour. Best bets time. Chris, you are up three games against the spread or over under if you're so inclined. Let's see what you have.


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[Assistant] I have to say that the slot machine is lining up so far. Ravens, Ravens, both of us on the Ravens. The Vikings, I think, are on the verge of imploding, frankly. And this could get ugly on Sunday in Baltimore. Uh, so yes, we agree. Second best bet for you.


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[Assistant] I tried that earlier this year, it did not work. You tried it last year, I don't think it worked.


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[Assistant] Picking the Texans to lose, but making the Texans plus the points a best bet. Gutsy move.


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[Assistant] Sunday Night Football, 91% of the spread money is on the Tennessee Titans. I don't know what 91% of the people are thinking or smoking or drinking. I got the Rams, given seven and a half. Look, the Titans are going to be reeling post-Derek Henry, and if they pull it off, more power to you. But at least for that first game.


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[Assistant] Adjusting to life without Derrick Henry, I think is going to be difficult for the Titans. I got the Rams. Alright, Folsom Prison Blues, who's your team? Well, I'm taking the Bills to beat the Jaguars. Bills to beat the Jaguars. Yeaah, same for me, Bills. It's too easy. Team with the biggest spread and the Bills. I got the Bills. I got the Bills. Uh, alright, uhm, we're done. Are we done?


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[Assistant] We are done. Thanks for some of your time. See you next time.


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[Assistant] PFTPM and Chris Sims Unbuttoned presented by Under Armour. It is the joint Megapix podcast collaboration for week 12, which features the three Thanksgiving games plus the full slate. Two teams on a buy. That means 30 teams play. That means 15 games. We get right to it. After I gloat, just a little bit, just a little bit, I picked up one more game in the straight up


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[Assistant] Alright, let's get to it. As always, all odds are provided by our friends at Points Bet. Why do you hate me? I don't know, cause you're winning. I'm sorry, I've been right more often than you. Get more games right, and maybe you can also be north of 100.


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[Assistant] Correct predictions through 11 weeks. Not that it's that impressive, although it's probably around 60%. I don't know. I'll take it. Anyway, Thanksgiving. Three games. And it begins with Matt Nagy's final game in Chicago, if you believe the report that emerged yesterday. The Bears are three point favorites with Andy Dalton playing quarterback this week.


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[Assistant] Detroit the home team, the underdog, 42 over under. There's still a chance Jared Goff is going to play. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Who do you like in this?


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[Assistant] 27-20 Bears, if it is Matt Nagy's final game, or if the team thinks it is, they find something, they muster something, and the Lions are just the Lions. We see the Lions every week, and I know they've been close the past couple of weeks, but you know,


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[Assistant] The last time they were really close to winning in LA, they got blown out at home by the Philadelphia Eagles, and I know the Bears aren't in the same category as the Eagles, but I could see this going worse. I could see the Bears getting a few lucky bounces, and we've seen this on Thanksgivings in the past where


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[Assistant] One team just rolls and the other team cannot keep up. And I just don't think the Lions have the talent this year to muster what we've seen in past years. Whether it's Goff, whether it's Tim Boyle, whether it's David Blau, I'm not buying it. I got the Bears 27-26.


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[Assistant] Second game on Thanksgiving. The Las Vegas Raiders and Dallas Cowboys. A couple of weeks ago this looked like it was going to be a great game, a special game. The problem is the Raiders all of a sudden can't win. The Cowboys have lost two out of three. The Cowboys are seven and a half point favorites in this one with an over-under of 51.


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[Assistant] Dallas is the only team this week favored by a touchdown or more, and it's the first of nine games this week where both teams playing are at or above 500. Do the Cowboys get back on the right track after losing by 10 in Kansas City?


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[Assistant] A significant reboot after the season, which direction they go in searching for a coach is going to be


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[Assistant] Fascinating. I had someone suggest to me yesterday, not anybody in the business, just a reader suggesting Pete Carroll to the Raiders. I kinda like that. I kinda like that. I gotta admit.


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[Assistant] What do you think of that? I know this isn't about moving forward, it's about the games, but just your first reaction.


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[Assistant] Alright, I got the Cowboys 31-17. According to points bet, the bets are split 50-50, but 94% of the money is on Las Vegas. So somebody likes Vegas, getting seven and a half points. I am not one of those people.


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[Assistant] Last game of Thanksgiving. The night game on NBC. Mike Turrico and Drew Brees on the call. Brees back in New Orleans. Buffalo, a 6.5 point favorite at the Superdome. 45 is the over-under. Chris, who do you like in this one? Does your boy, Blue,


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[Assistant] Given the Bills another touchdown, I think the Bills cover, I just think the Saints right now are too banged up. They don't have key players. They don't have Alvin Camaro. We don't know for sure whether or not he's going to play at the time we're taping this, but he's missed the last two games. They were missing seven of their offensive starters going into the game at Philadelphia, and I know


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[Assistant] It's a home game, it's a big night, it's a big occasion, but sometimes you just don't have-


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[Assistant] Preparing for a showdown at home against New England Patriots. They need to get themselves reestablished. They remind me of the Cowboys right now. They have a bad game.


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[Assistant] And then they get their act together and have a good game. And then they have a bad game, and they get their act together and have a good game. So it's Good Game Week.


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[Assistant] trio of thanksgiving games. We're going to take a break. When we return, we will focus on the 1 p.m. Eastern games for the 12th Sunday of the 2021 regular season. We'll do that next on this joint edition of PFTPM and Christen's


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[Assistant] P.F.D.P.M. Chris Sims Unbuttoned presented by Under Armour. Joint Megapix podcast. Week 12. Already week 12. Haven't said that in a while. I can't believe it's week 12. It is week 12. Been two weeks since he said that.


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[Assistant] Has it been the tw- I can't remember that far back. The 12th Sunday.


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[Assistant] Afternoon begins with several games, some good games. Let's start with Cincinnati. The Bengals have already beaten the Steelers in Pittsburgh.


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[Assistant] The Steelers 0-1-1 their last two games. The Bengals got the big win over the Raiders. The Bengals need to string a few together if they want to be a playoff team. Four and a half point favorites are the Bengals at home against the Steelers. Forty-five is the over-under.


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[Assistant] This reminds me of the game a few weeks back when the Steelers went to Cleveland. It is a gotta have it game for the Steelers. They are feeling the, the


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[Assistant] Urgency, and I think that the veteran leadership, the coaching, those are the factors that lead to the intangibles that help the Steelers find a way. And this could be Ben Roethlisberger's final game ever in his home state of Ohio. He had the game in Cleveland, as I mentioned, back in Cincinnati. I think the Steelers find a way.


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[Assistant] to win this one. I think they view the glass as half full after almost pulling out the victory on Sunday night in LA against the Chargers. I got the Steelers 24-21 and it's just pasta and meatballs.


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[Assistant] This is the Steelers team that I have known for the last 50 years. This is a game that the Steelers find a way to win when people are writing them off, when they're four and a half point underdogs. I just, I just sense


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[Assistant] The Steelers find a way and keep themselves alive in the playoff chase in the AFC and it won't be easy for them to make it. Alright.


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[Assistant] Here's a game between a couple of teams who don't have to worry about the playoffs this year. They're trying to lay the foundation for something positive next year. The Jets at the Texans. The Texans favored after beating the Tennessee Titans. The Jets will be back to Zach Wilson because both Joe Flacco and Mike White are on the COVID reserve list.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I've got same thoughts and same margins. 17-14, Texans barely covering the two and a half point spread. And it is amazing to think these two teams have beaten the Titans. As good as the Titans have been this year. Both the Jets and the Texans have found a way to beat them.


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[Assistant] And look, the Texans gonna win just enough games to screw up their high draft pick.


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[Assistant] With Tyra Taylor healthy, they are a much better team than when he isn't, and I agree with you. They find a way to get it done. The Jets...


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[Assistant] Still a long way to go to become what it is they're trying to be. They just don't have the personnel. No. The Texans do. The Texans have a better team right now and despite all of the other dysfunction with the organization that should be enough to carry the day. Alright, this is a sneaky great game. Yes it is. Tampa Bay Buccaneers.


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[Assistant] They didn't necessarily light the fuse, but they poured gasoline on the deflate gate fuse. That's for damn sure. Thanks to De'Quel Jackson taking that deflated football to the sidelines. Three point favorites are the Buccaneers, 51 and a half. It's the highest over-under of the week. The Colts are looking good. The Bucs, much better at home than on the road.


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[Assistant] Do the cults prevent the bucks from getting a much needed road win, Chris?


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[Assistant] If they want to force the road to the Super Bowl through their stadium. Last year they went on the road.


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[Assistant] Every step of the way to a Super Bowl that was played in their stadium this year, I think they need those home games. And they need to get this win in the sight of a Super Bowl. And Tom Brady needs to muster all of that hatred of the Colts.


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[Assistant] To find a way to get this win, and I think you will. I think it's going to be one of the best games of the week, but I like the Bucks by a touchdown, 30 to 23. Alright, Atlanta, Jacksonville, not one of the best games of the week. The Falcons are a one point favorite in Jacksonville against the Jaguars. 47 is the over-under.


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[Assistant] Do the Falcons turn it around after two losses where the combined score, I believe, if my math is correct, and it rarely is, was 68 to 3.


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[Assistant] I got 21-13 and I think the Falcons are the better team right now. And look, I still think there's a chance for some major changes in Jacksonville when the season ends, if not before the season ends. A couple of wins pushed plenty of the issues to the back burner. It's just a matter of time before those issues come back.


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[Assistant] There's some stuff gurgling around about discontent on the coaching staff and the chief of staff leaving to go back to Texas.


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[Assistant] I don't know if he's leaving during the season or after the season, but it is a fact that he is leaving.


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[Assistant] During his first year, the word comes out that he's out of Jacksonville. I think more people are gonna be out, and I think that this is gonna end ugly for the Jaguars, even though they showed they're capable of beating a team like the Bills. Alright, I've got 21-13, let's move on to the next game.


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[Assistant] One and a half point favorites are the Panthers on the road, even though the Dolphins have three straight wins. Over under 42, it's tied for the lowest over under the week with the Bears-Lions game. Who do you like and why?


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[Assistant] That rule calling out his defense. Good teams don't give up 190 rushing yards. This defense is better than it performed against Washington.


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[Assistant] And the offense has improved. Christian McCaffrey is back. I just think right now the Panthers are the better team. And I know it's lined up well for Miami. And they're home literally for the holidays. They don't go on the road again until two days after Christmas when they play the Saints in New Orleans on a Monday night.


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[Assistant] Panthers desperation type of a game if they want to stay in the playoff chase. Because the Dolphins, even though they can get to seven and seven with three games left, and these are winnable games coming up,


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[Assistant] There's a cluster of teams that are above 500 in the AFC. They're gonna have a hard time jumping over enough teams to get themselves in playoff position. For the Panthers, it's far more realistic. And for the Panthers, I think the urgency is there, and Cam Newton is learning the offense.


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[Assistant] I think he's going to be better this week than he was last week, and he was really good last week, even though they lost. I got the Panthers in this one. This is one of the reasons why I'm 10 games up on you, because this is one where you should be agreeing with me on this. The Panthers win 27-21, same score as last week.


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[Assistant] Just there on the right side of it and they beat the Dolphins and end that winning streak. We'll see. This is another chance for you to chip chip chip chip chip chip chip away.


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[Assistant] We'll be doing this multiple times on Sunday. Look into the camera, look into the screen, coming from my studio.


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[Assistant] The Tennessee Titans and the New England Patriots get together in a game that, uh, the Titans desperately need to reestablish themselves after stepping in a pothole against the Texans. The Patriots six and a half point favorites. Six and a half point favorites against the team that was number one in the PFT power rankings last week.


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[Assistant] That is a stunning spread to me. Do the Patriots win and do they somehow cover that six and a half point spread? Over, under, by the way, forty-four.


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[Assistant] I'm giving the Patriots an extra field goal and I'm taking the cover because I look at where the Titans currently are. I don't know how they beat the Rams without Derrick Henry. Uhm, I, and I think that a defense that is able


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[Assistant] To properly game plan, properly diagnose, properly take away Ryan Tannehill. I mean that's currently what they do best. Dare them to run the football. They know that Adrian Peterson isn't going to do it. He's gone now. I don't know what they have in the running game without him. They don't have enough.


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[Assistant] Importance in my mind, because it was the Titans who ended the last Patriots dynasty. This win over the Titans is one big step toward launching the next one, if they are indeed destined to get there. And I think Belichick appreciates that, understands that.


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[Assistant] And, and this is another step toward people waking up to the fact that you thought they were dead, but they're not. And I know when they were one and three, we wanted to lock into the narrative that they're still a long way away from being who they were.


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[Assistant] They are who they were again, even with Tom Brady gone. 27-20, pointing toward next week's game at Buffalo where I'm probably gonna pick them to win that too, especially if they win this weekend. So, uh,


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[Assistant] Should be a great one, should be a fun one, and get used to it, people. The Patriots are back. Remember what they used to say about the Bills when they kept going back to the Super Bowl? Deal with it. Well, Patriots are back again. Deal with it.


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[Assistant] Philadelphia Eagles at the New York Giants. Retiring Michael Strahan's jersey at halftime. The kiss of death for the Giants. They always lose when they do that. And the Eagles turning the corner.


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[Assistant] Five and six, four point favorites against their rivals in New York, 45 and a half over under. Do the Giants finally win a game when they are retiring the jersey of one of their Super Bowl heroes, Chris?


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[Assistant] I got 2717 eagles and all the same things you said. Look, the giants right now just aren't good enough. That came through the TV screen loud and clear on Monday night.


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[Assistant] Nothing they would have done, could have done, should have done would have made a difference. You can't set up and throw. The offensive line is porous. Daniel Jones can't make quick decisions.


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[Assistant] The only way you deal with an offensive line that's getting its ass kicked up front is to make quick decisions before the ball's even snapped. The Tom Brady approach. I know exactly where I'm gonna throw this ball as soon as I get the ball in my hands and it's gonna be gone before the pocket even begins to collapse. Jones can't do it. His receivers can't get open. The running game can't get going. The Eagles are better on both sides of the ball.


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[Assistant] And we're, we're, we're gradually embracing the reality that the Eagles are good again too. It's kind of like the, they're the NFC version of the Patriots. We wanted to throw them out and write them off and Nick Sirianni comes off as kind of goofy and they're overmatched. And you've been saying it all year. They got a great offensive line. They got a great defensive line. That's what makes a team.


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[Assistant] A contender. All the other pieces are just details. When you are good in the trenches, the Eagles are.


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[Assistant] Michael Strahan is going to remember halftime, he's going to want to forget the rest of the game.


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[Assistant] Alright, and uh, John Mara better not make an appearance at halftime because he's probably going to get booed. There it is, I ran so far away, uh, and uh, what


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[Assistant] But height doesn't mean anything. It really doesn't mean anything. It is so stupid. It's overrated. Who cares? Right. Who cares? Rodney Harrison does.


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[Assistant] Oh I know, tippy toe, lemon tree, take a break. Here we go, 4pm and primetime games when PFTPM and Chris Sims on button continue right after this.


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[Assistant] That classic, they were winning, then they were losing, then they finally found a way to win the game. Who do you like in this one?


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[Assistant] I've got 3423, I feel more comfortable about the Chargers than you do. Look, one of the reasons why I'm down on the Broncos, let's think back to the aftermath of their last game against the Eagles. The Teddy Bridgewater, head fake.


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[Assistant] I think, I think they got clean up on all five that may not necessarily be cleaned up and that's going to make it harder for him. It's going to make it harder for them and we're going to get the first opportunity to see that dynamic


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[Assistant] In this game. If he's lost his team. And I wasn't convinced by the media effort last Monday. I think that it's gonna leave a mark and I think it's gonna manifest itself when a better team comes to town like the Chargers.


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[Assistant] Exciting late afternoon game, the Rams coming off of there by going to Green Bay to take on the Packers. Green Bay is a slim favorite, .5, 47.5 over under.


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[Assistant] I joke from time to time about the rams of the late 90s as the greatest show-offs on turf.


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[Assistant] These rams are the greatest show-offs on turf. Because they keep adding pieces, they gotta start winning some games.


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[Assistant] And they've lost two in a row, and they have not been impressive. And, you know, with AJ, Dylan banging it between the tackles, we've seen that they're vulnerable to the run, and Aaron Rodgers,


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[Assistant] You give them the opportunity to, to, to run the ball. You give them the opportunity. Maybe Rashawn Gary comes back and plays in this one. I'm not sure whether or not he's going to be back. I think the Packers, this is a find-a-way-to-win-it game, 23-20 Green Bay.


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[Assistant] Alright, the Vikings back to San Francisco. Sight of the 2019 divisional round game. That's the last game I personally attended, Chris. We were there.


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[Assistant] At the game, it was going well until it wasn't. It was the moment in the third quarter where Kyle Shannon got freaked out by Jimmy Garoppolo and turned him into Bob Greasy from the early 70s. Just handed off, handed off, handed off. Could have had three interceptions, all to Eric Kendricks in that game. Kendricks actually came down with one of those picks. This time around, the 49ers, who have won two in a row and are hitting their groove.


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[Assistant] They're three and a half point favorites against the Vikings over under of 48. This is a huge game.


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[Assistant] From the perspective of wild card playoff positioning, not just the win, not just the loss, but the tiebreaker.


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[Assistant] 2019 Divisional Playoffs. The 49ers take a lead. They hold the lead. They're not a team to blow a lead. Once they get ahead, it all kind of plays into their hands. That grind it out and also pin the years back defensively. Grind it out offense. Pin the years back defensively. Get after Kirk Cousins. Walls cave in. Kyle Shanann knows how to defend.


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[Assistant] Kirk Cousins, and uh, you know, that's the problem. Cousins can have these games where it's like, damn he's playing well, damn he's playing well, damn he's playing well, comes up against a defense that knows how to stop him, all of a sudden he looks ordinary and that's the problem. He's got, he's got a ceiling to what he can consistently do and he hits that ceiling this week. 24-20, 49ers win. Alright, Sunday Night Football, the Browns.


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[Assistant] Against the Ravens. We expect Lamar Jackson back. We've yet to hear as we tape this whether or not Baker Mayfield will be given a week off. I think he needs a week off. They play each other twice in a 15 day window. Do we like the Ravens in round one? Three and a half point favorites, 46 over under Chris.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, I'm not buying it. Lamar Jackson's gonna want to establish himself after missing last week, and the Browns have not looked good in recent weeks. Baker Mayfield, if he plays, he is so banged up, it's not gonna go well, and I could see him


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[Assistant] With just sheer will and stubbornness insisting on playing even though we did see him get


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[Assistant] Hold on to the division and win that division eventually. I like the Ravens in this one. Let me check my score. I forget what it is. 27-20 is my margin projected for the victory here as the Ravens win. Alright, let's wrap up the week with Monday Night Football. The Seahawks on the road at Washington. Seattle a point


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[Assistant] Five favorite 46 and a half over under. It's Russell Wilson's 33rd birthday. Will he be happy or unhappy at the end of this one, Chris?


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[Assistant] I think that this is one of those, if we're ever gonna win another game this year, we're gonna win this one. This is Russell Wilson's birthday, this is extra day to get ready, this is all hands on deck, this is figure out a way.


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[Assistant] But it's gonna be enough. 24-20. Seahawks win. Sight of the first playoff victory of Russell Wilson's career. They go back there and they get it done. Prime time. His birthday. They're desperate. They may not win another game after it, but they're not losing this one.


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[Assistant] I feel strongly about it, and uh, I won't gloat too much when I'm right on that one. So we disagree. At least what, four or five games?


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[Assistant] Sex! Sex! You get a- ooh, you sweep me this!


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[Assistant] Wrapping up this Thanksgiving week edition of the PFTPM Chris Sims Unbuttoned Joint Megapix Podcast.


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[Assistant] Time for our best bets. Three selections against the spread or over under that we feel particularly good about even though based upon our performance this year maybe we shouldn't feel particularly good about. Chris, you're up first.


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[Assistant] I think you gotta go, I think you gotta go at least 55% to, to account for the vid. Right. Gotcha.


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[Assistant] You pull the arm on the slot machine and you line up the first category.


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[Assistant] And the third category, I got the Bucks as well as my final best bet. I like the Bucks to continue to do what they did on Monday night to the Giants. Alright.


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[Assistant] Time for the Folsom Prison Blues pick, the one game straight up, if we were lying, not dead, not already dead, too late to make a pick when you're dead, dying in a gutter, the one game this week, straight up.


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[Assistant] I got the, I got the Cowboys. You got the Raiders? Cowboys over the Raiders, excuse me. Me too. Cowboys over the Raiders. Alright. That's it. Happy Thanksgiving. Stay safe. Enjoy the food. Happy Thanksgiving. Extra mac and cheese. See ya. See ya soon.


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[Assistant] The good thing is, about it, the good thing, there's only one, is that I cook what I want. So, and we do more takeout than I'd like to eat too, but, cause some nights I just go, I can't do it. I open the refrigerator and go, I hate everything, whatever.


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[Assistant] What I said, maybe I didn't give him a big enough gift or whatever, who knows, or his birthday.


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[Assistant] You did ask me the last couple of weeks. Wednesdays are usually great days. I love Wednesday, Thursday, because those are where


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[Assistant] Well, even on Mondays I watch, try to watch games, whatever, but you know, I do the Paramount show on Tuesdays, so I kind of prepare for that on Mondays.


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[Assistant] But I love Wednesdays and Thursdays because I get a chance to watch a lot of games, do a lot of work, and uhm, you know, it's cool. So, just like this morning, I woke up, I've been in here in my office, I came in at 6 a.m. Why? I don't know.


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[Assistant] It caught me by surprise, I didn't know he was not vaccinated.


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[Assistant] Usually I kinda hear the rumors of who's not, especially the quarterbacks. And I think the thing about Green Bay, who else is gonna be, uh, on that COVID list?


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[Assistant] Yeah, was he there in training camp? I know he was there during the off-season some, and I can't remember watching him play any in pre-season, but, well whatever, it comes down to Jordan Love, and probably the bad thing for Jordan Love, well the good thing is he'll get to practice this week.


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[Assistant] The bad thing is that Kansas City actually looked a little more organized and better against the Giants than I've maybe seen them all year. And of course, the big reason is that big guy. My gosh.


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[Assistant] You know, they did a good job of managing, but, but he, he, he just jumped off the, every time I watched the place, who did that? Chris Jones, Chris Jones.


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[Assistant] And moving him around, and I know you've said it, and Paul, you've probably heard it from Christopher many times. I love him inside more than I do outside.


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[Assistant] I thought the Kansas City Chiefs really did a much better job on defense overall. And I know the Giants are not the greatest offensive team.


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[Assistant] But they were better organized, they didn't take as many chances, and they just played a different game, which I thought really worked well for them.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, I'll just say this. Mike Shanahan told me years ago when he was coaching Denver Broncos, we got into the subject about offensive line, and I've never forgotten it. He goes, I want a center and two guards that are good.


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[Assistant] They're in there, and, and I, Chris Jones, you know, rushing to pass her straight, getting...


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[Assistant] Pushing the pocket. Now if the quarterback breaks, you have a better chance, whatever, when you're outside.


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[Assistant] You can have a great pass rush. The quarterback steps up and you're a non-factor. Uh, so that's interesting too. When the game was over,


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[Assistant] Cause I do a giant podcast every once in a while, I'm gonna do one tomorrow. When the game was over, I said, I have more questions about Kansas City's offense now than I do their defense.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, that's a great point, Paul. Uhm, you know, I watched Jordan Love in the preseason.


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[Assistant] And everybody, wow, look at this, and I just, I didn't see that. Uhm, it was okay, but the talent, you know, the throwing, it didn't jump off at me at all.


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[Assistant] Okay, they're offensive line, whatever, they should be able to handle Kansas City enough to give him chances.


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[Assistant] And we know Matt LaFleur is going to do a good job of designing an offense that's going to take a lot of pressure off of him. They're a team that has tons of short passes, little concepts


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[Assistant] That really, you don't have to make a decision. You just catch the ball and throw it to the guy outside or...


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[Assistant] Coming off picks, I mean, how many picks did Aaron Rodgers run against the Arizona Cardinals? My gosh.


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[Assistant] Exaggerating a little, but not a lot. So, I would expect that, you know, watching him play, but also,


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[Assistant] I think Kansas City knows what to expect too. So it'll be interesting to see, will they play zone and kinda...


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[Assistant] Be smart that way, or they're gonna try to come after a young quarterback, which I think would be a mistake.


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[Assistant] Oh no, I agree with it, you know, yeaah, you're not gonna be able to expand the offense, you're not gonna have all the checks and everything, of course Karen Rodgers with the great experience, and you know too,


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[Assistant] The, you know, we just take for granted as fans and as people, analysts or whatever.


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[Assistant] All the back shoulder throws that you just go, oh, oh, that was Anne Rodgers. No, those are really special.


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[Assistant] And he makes it look so easy, he's so good at it, and that's really a huge part of their office. Not just with Devonte Adams.


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[Assistant] Whoever gets the chance, they know that they don't beat their guy right away. It doesn't matter. They're expecting back shoulder throws. And they're one of the best in the NFL at it, if not the best.


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[Assistant] And uh, so that'll be interesting just to see, but you were right. They're very patient. They've run the football.


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[Assistant] And between Matt LaFour and Aaron Rodgers, they manage football games, right up there with one other team, as good as anybody in the NFL, and who would that be, my son?


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[Assistant] Ah, you got it. Okay, ding ding ding. You're right. I was afraid he was going to answer that wrong, Paul.


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[Assistant] New England is an unbelievable managing football team of the game. And I told you, you didn't watch their game against the Chargers. When you watch it, I tell you, you're going to laugh because it was, it was a clinic on how to take a team that I don't know what we say about their talent. It's okay. You know, I'm not convinced they're,


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[Assistant] Somebody to really worry about in the long run, I don't know, I gotta see more.


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[Assistant] That's, that's what you do. You work with what you got and you can't create something you, that you can't reach.


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[Assistant] And I think New England, really on both sides of the ball, you know, too, you're right. Their defense has changed a little.


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[Assistant] Playing more zone, very good at it. I thought they, you know, what they did against the Chargers and many times this year has been very good.


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[Assistant] It'll be interesting to see, and I just want to see the raw talent. And once, once, if that shows, that would be enough for me.


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[Assistant] Well, many things, I think, uh, they can't, they can't watch the film against the Giants and go, oh yeaah, we're back. They, they can't do that. Because it wasn't. Uhm, I, I see, when I watch it, you know, everybody's covering the deep crossers, the bend backs, you name it, it's like,


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[Assistant] The change of direction when the Patrick Mahomes, you know, runs and breaks the pocket or whatever and the receivers all break their routes.


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[Assistant] I see over the last, you know, three or four weeks I've watched the Chiefs closely.


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[Assistant] Hey, defenses are ready for it, they're breaking with these guys, or the backside safeties, all that are waiting on it, and you know, it's...


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[Assistant] It's just not, you don't look at it and go, wow, this is great rhythm by the offense.


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[Assistant] I don't see Patrick Mahomes, I can't say that he did once in a game where he said, here's the concept of the play.


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[Assistant] And I'm gonna go one, two, three. That's kinda how you think as a quarterback, as you know, Paul. I never saw that. If he'd have done it, it would have been a lot easier tonight. He would have had better stats.


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[Assistant] And he passed up throws that could have won the game for him too. By the first guy, there he is, wide open. Nobody covered him, but he was already moving, and there was no pressure.


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[Assistant] I don't know what makes him move so fast, maybe he's just in such a habit of doing it, that he can't overcome it. And also, I see this. Once he breaks the pocket, it's, you know what everybody's gonna do against you now. When he breaks the pocket, there's always some, somebody to the side, right or left, that's sitting there in zone, and as soon as he breaks, BOOM! They come flying up, and he's not gonna avoid them. And not that they do it every time, and they're perfect, you know, coverage, but I see it a lot.


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[Assistant] They copied the same game plan that the Buffalo Bills did. That's why everybody's doing that. And it's, hey, it's working.


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[Assistant] We expect it to be great, that's what it's built to be, with Andy Reid, and all the, you know, the talent they have, and uhm,


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[Assistant] It was just another disappointing performance in my eyes against the New York Giants.


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[Assistant] Well, yeaah, I did, you know, and it kinda goes, in other words, hey, when we won the Super Bowl in 86,


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[Assistant] Uh, hampered, our receivers were hurt, you know, we were just going through a period where we couldn't get it together, and of course that shakes my confidence, and then I am quicker to do things than I normally would.


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[Assistant] And it was tough, and then finally when everybody kind of came together, you know, which always happens to the Super Bowl team, you get together,


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[Assistant] Whenever that is, week 10 or sometimes around there where you become really who you are, and that's what we did that year too. So yea, I, I had of course many stretches like that, more than I'd like to count, but I think when you talk about Mahomes, he's in that. And the other thing to watch, watch him throw the ball. His stride is longer than ever.


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[Assistant] Well, if you're stepping really long with your foot in the stride, that means your arm has to lengthen with it.


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[Assistant] So everything's got a match in your body, and I, that was, it really jumped off, I was all of a sudden go.


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[Assistant] Most of the time, you're gonna miss high when you do. He didn't miss really many high, but they got a great break.


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[Assistant] Uh, the Giants, Zimenez jumped off sides on the interception. That probably would have cost them the game. Right. But, uh, they overcame it, took it down the field, and got the field goal to win it.


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[Assistant] Of course! You'd like to win the game, walk across the field, shake his hand, and you're sitting there thinking, how'd you like that?


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[Assistant] Oh, Super Bowl roster, possible Super Bowl team. That's my first thought. I've been thinking it for weeks. And man, they're doing nothing to, you know, back me off.


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[Assistant] When you look at the roster, I've said it many times here in the last couple weeks, it seems like, but, it's homegrown.


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[Assistant] I mean, they did get the great, they traded for Amari Cooper, that's worked out, but.


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[Assistant] They got about 20-some players on the team that they've drafted that are making key contributions to their football team. They're big, they're fast, and Dan Quinn's doing a really good job of


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[Assistant] Kind of not the same guy watching the defense. No. You know, he's doing different things, and it's, it's, it's working for the cowboys, and they are rough. And they're rough on both sides.


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[Assistant] And that's what the NFL's about always when it comes down to it.


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[Assistant] What did the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have over Kansas City and that Super Bowl? Yes, I know Kansas City was hurt.


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[Assistant] With the Cowboys, I think they're right up there with all the people you want to talk about right now in the NFC.


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[Assistant] Well, no, what it is is that they're doing a lot of game plan specific things. Yes, they are, exactly. I didn't watch the Minnesota Game yet, but I saw it on TV.


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[Assistant] I see nothing on the football team that would worry me right now. Maybe some guys that are a little mad that they're not getting enough.


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[Assistant] But, you know, on both sides of the ball, I think as time goes on, I just see more.


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[Assistant] He does this, his presence is really incredible.


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[Assistant] You know, so many good things to think about or even to talk about. And of course, Trayvon Diggs, I didn't like him coming out of Alabama. I loved him.


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[Assistant] When I heard that Nick Saban is one of his favorite players that he's coached, I went, well that says a lot to me. And, you know, he's that guy that can do both.


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[Assistant] Watch the quarterback and the receiver at the same time. And those to me are always the scary corners that play both. And we see it a lot with Jalen Ramsey.


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[Assistant] If I was playing against the Rams, I wouldn't throw one football his way. If I did, it would be an out-cut route. But if you throw it inside against corners that play that way, they can beat you to the football a lot of times.


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[Assistant] Hey, Trayvon Diggs is doing it. You know, we've talked about this many times.


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[Assistant] You know, Akib Tlaib was great at it, Jaylen Ramsey, you know, the list goes on. The guys that play that way and have great success.


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[Assistant] Just thinking, hey, let's be conservative and he won't be able to beat us. And that was wrong. That was one. I was telling Christopher earlier.


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[Assistant] You know, you sit up there, I've been in that booth with when I was hurt with the Giants with Jim Fossil.


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[Assistant] And just watching him call plays, I'm like, wow, this is so much harder than I thought it was. Because it's, oh, the next play's there. And you gotta have three options ready to go or whatever. But, uh, Mike White, we went down and watched him practice in Forum Park, I did with my son.


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[Assistant] Uh, how he must practice like this all the time, and their analogy of him, which I'm not gonna repeat here, basically he's the pfft, and man, that's what.


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[Assistant] So this must not have been a surprise to a lot of the Jeff players, that's for sure. But he threw the ball really well physically. And it just, it was, it was awesome.


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[Assistant] The one throw he made falling backwards into the left corner of the end zone.


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[Assistant] Perfect Spiral, right on target. I forgot who caught it. Right before he went out of bounds.


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[Assistant] And of course, I saw him at the universe, uh, or Western Kentucky.


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[Assistant] Because he was a drop back passer at Western Kentucky, put up huge numbers.


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[Assistant] Finally got his chance here to, to show what he has and man did he take advantage of it.


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[Assistant] Really interested to see how he plays on Thursday night, because it's a step up here. This, uhm, Indy defense up front, they're tough.


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[Assistant] Uh, you can complete some passes on them down the field, I think. Their secondary's just okay. So I'm anxious to see him play tomorrow night for sure.


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[Assistant] Well, the Bengals did everything, I didn't mean to cut you off, but you're right about their defense, what they did. And then on the offensive side, I saw the Bengals offense from last year.


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[Assistant] They either ran it well or he had a play action, whatever, just...


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[Assistant] Because, you know, I love sitting here working, and of course I've got the TV on, but it was really when Baker Mayfield was out. Oh, this could be it.


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[Assistant] Everybody in the business gets so excited about they can't wait to see somebody fail and the next guy come in. It's true. It's true. Well I shouldn't say it's when they don't like the guy that's starting.


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[Assistant] No, it's good. You know, you know what? It's funny now, you know, I haven't dived into any numbers. I didn't realize


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[Assistant] And, so that was interesting too. I was watching at first going, man, you could tell right away they were flat, uh, all those things, but,


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[Assistant] You know, Bill Parcells would not even be, he just would coach us.


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[Assistant] But if we played, let's say, the St. Louis Cardinals or the Arizona Cardinals, or a team that we were clearly much better than,


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[Assistant] Because he knew just, yeaah, well whatever, I'm not gonna say.


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[Assistant] It's just human nature that you would relax and let up a little. Even though you think you're not, but you are. And he would be incredible. And we really never lost to those type of teams in about a five year span. Because he was going to make sure that we were going to be ready. And practices were awful. He was awful.


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[Assistant] But the good thing is, we'd go on the road and the Cardinals, whatever, and we would just wipe them. Game. Game would be over in the second quarter. And I'd get on the bus after the game going, damn, he did it again. And guys would get on, hey, some players would have wagers, we're not gonna lose! And we were feeding right into what he wanted.


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[Assistant] You know, let's bet, you know, he goes alright, you know, he actually did, I shouldn't say that, I don't care.


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[Assistant] It's a friendly, says something to one of our players, Maurice Karthon. Maurice Karthon got mad during practice and yelled at him, be quiet, we're not gonna lose the game.


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[Assistant] And they had a wager. I won't say what it was, and of course Bill never gave it up.


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[Assistant] That's what it takes. When you're a good team and you take a step down against a lesser team, it's just human nature to let down a little.


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[Assistant] And unless you have somebody there to change that attitude, physically, mentally and all that, that's why you get upset. Like the New York Jets, what they did to the Cincinnati Bengals.


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[Assistant] Alright, well look, it's good being on Paul, I hope everything's well with you. And I heard y'all talking before, I can't throw ten balls anymore, Christopher. I didn't, I gotta tell you, I didn't throw one pass the whole summer, or the whole off-season overhand. Not one.


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[Assistant] It's just, hey, it's, why take a chance? No, you're right, I still throw it underhanded and that's, that's a lot easier on my body, so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, make sure all the equipment still works from the last few days. But no, yeah, that's a new thing. I was doing a little play-by-play last year. We had the A-10 basketball, a lot of the games for the A-10.


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[Assistant] So yea, it's kinda like a new, a new thing. It's a different skill, different muscle. You gotta kinda go slower, you gotta have gravitas on the big moment.


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[Assistant] You almost, and I kind of compare this to being on TV, you almost have to go over the top because there's something about TV that takes your personality down like three notches. Yea, right. You know, it's like if you're just normal, like a normal person, like you are every day, a lot of times it can like, you look like you're about to fall asleep. Yea, you're like Debbie Downer on TV. Yea, you're like, what's wrong with it? Why is this happening?


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[Assistant] We had some, some good finishes in, uh, in our games, but, uh, there were some blowouts as well. And a lot of really big games, you know, up and down the schedule for week 12, I'm like, alright, well that game means something. That game means something. That's what happens when you have like half the league that's at 500 or a game above or below, is that all the games pretty much matter.


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[Assistant] But we're gonna start with three games that mattered a little bit more than the rest of them. Uh, and we do that. We're gonna do an early- Whoa, this is early. Give me the headlines presented by Hyundai. Whoa. First time in podcast history. Actually, Pete said we might have done it before early like this, but I'm gonna just say it's the first time, because I don't remember that.


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[Assistant] Give me the headlines presented by Hyundai. So we go into the newsroom. We got three big games we're going to do in this segment. We'll start with the Packers defeating the Rams 36-28. Your headline is?


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[Assistant] I'm sure I have. Okay. Scenes of it. Have we seen- What was the movie yesterday we were talking- Get Out? Get Up? Get- Get at- Get Up? No, but Get Out. Get Out, right? I was like, I don't know Get Out, and you're like, yeah, well that's okay not to know. And then someone's like, no it's not. That one, like, Picture of the Year. And so even that I should've known. You need to see that.


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[Assistant] Well honestly, they might have to get out now. It's like what? We talked about this last night. They've lost three in a row.


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[Assistant] I thought there was a chance they wouldn't lose three games all year. The way they looked early in the year. And we'll get to Green Bay because I think it's a really solid win for them. No doubt. But it's almost kind of more interesting, this collapse by the Rams. Cause I don't think anyone saw this coming. Now perhaps it's Matt Stafford being not healthy. He's not been on the injury report.


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[Assistant] The past few years in Detroit, every year, it's like, at some point, it's like, ah, his back, his back, his back, something's up with his back or his ankle. He's been beat up in his career. He's played through most of the injuries, but it does seem like there are always going to be points in the season where he's not 100%. And who knows, maybe he won't be 100% the rest of the year.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because this is how it's supposed to be for the Rams, right? It's supposed to be like, alright, even if we don't have the greatest offense, which they haven't had when they went to the Super Bowl without a great offense, you don't need it. You got Aaron Donnelly, you got Jalen Ramsey, you got Von Miller now, and they were mostly absent in this game.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and our Packers homies that are listening right now are like, come on, a lot of that was what the Packers did out there. And they continued to roll through their schedule, uh, even despite a...


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[Assistant] Fractured toe or a COVID toe from Aaron Rodgers. Uh, he scampered for the first touchdown of the game. Running game was good. I mean, they're using AJ Dylan, they're using Aaron Jones, some big plays with Devontae Adams. I mean,


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[Assistant] You talk about now finding weaknesses in a Rams team that we didn't think had weaknesses. Right now, the Packers have fewer of them. No, they definitely do.


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[Assistant] And then they made Sean McVeigh scream into his play sheet. Right. Near the end of that game. He just like opened his mouth, screamed right into the play sheet. Like you don't, like honestly, you don't see Sean McVeigh that


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[Assistant] You know, frazzled. He was frustrated. Positive after the game saying, you know, they're going to keep going. He's not obviously giving up on anything at this point, but he's having a hard time figuring out. This is a streak that, that they haven't been in with, you know, this incarnation of the team this year.


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[Assistant] Last thing on the Rams here, are they falling into a little bit of the Buffalo Bills trap here? I mean they have no cam-acres, you know, offensive lines, some question marks here. It's like they know they have to run, but maybe they don't have the ability to do that right now.


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[Assistant] Tampa Bay Packers are maybe who we thought they were. They were rolling. They're better than I thought they were. They are better. They are better. They are better. Tampa Bay won the Super Bowl last year. They were the best. They were the best. And in their game, this might have been


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[Assistant] One of the more impressive games down came back in one. We haven't seen them do that a whole lot this year. They come back and beat the Colts. Good second half for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 38 to 31. The final score. Your headline for this game is well, this is an Ahmed


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[Assistant] Uhm, so four touchdowns for Leonard Fournette. Well, I think the coolest thing about this too, and I know it's, you know, a lot of other things, this is a talented team, and Leonard Fournette is one piece that makes it go, but this was his day to shine, and at halftime, he was in the locker room, according to a lot of his teammates.


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[Assistant] I don't know that I would say that, you know, a couple years ago that Leonard Fournette would be that for a Super Bowl contending team, but I think that's cool. So his performance on the field, his performance off the field, because he looks like a pretty strong force when he gets going.


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[Assistant] You're not going to stop them. Colts muffed a punt, then after that, short field for Tampa. So now that we're kind of going through it, did Indy just throw this game away?


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, we're not too, uh, Christmas is coming up. All the graphic, uh, innuendos. Uh, so, uh, Leonard Fournette and Jonathan Taylor, here's the graphic. Yeah. You know, Jonathan Taylor of course had that huge day the week before.


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[Assistant] Uh, it really got most of these 83 yards on one drive. It was his touchdown drive where he punched it in with a four yard touchdown. Her next gen stats, Taylor faced eight or more in the box.


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[Assistant] 50% of his runs. Right. So the Buccaneers were trying to stop Jonathan Taylor, so that could explain part of it.


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[Assistant] Uh, for the 32 year old who was sucking oxygen on the sideline. He was, right? He was like, you're not that old. I was like, come on, Gronk, you're not that old. Although you are big, lumbering around, but he was sucking a lot of oxygen. So yea, I mean, that makes Tampa even more dangerous. You got a running game that's clicking, you got Rob Gronkowski, a lot of things rolling for Tampa Bay.


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[Assistant] A team that we thought was going to have a smothering defense this year and I think has for the most part, the San Francisco 49ers get a win between two five and five teams. Talk about a crucial game for a couple of bubble playoff teams. It was the winner of this game was going to be in a good spot. The loser is going to have more work to do. 49ers are the winner.


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[Assistant] Uh, it's insane when you look at the numbers here. It's been season highs for the 49ers rushing attack. Uhm, back to back to back games. They were over 200 in this one. You see 208 on 39 carries. I mean,


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[Assistant] Kyle is just like, he's like, this is what we're gonna do. He was on the hot seat, a lot of 49er fans being like, what happened to Kyle, the genius play caller? And now he's saying, screw you, we're gonna do what we do best, and they're running over anyone. They're running, better watch out, watch out.


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[Assistant] He trusts Debo, he's the third player in NFL history with 1000 receiving yards, five receiving touchdowns and five rush touchdowns in the same season. You got Marshall Falk did it in 99, Roger Craig in 1985, a hybrid player.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, no, that's good. A couple questions, uh, from the homies on the 49ers on Elijah Mitchell here. Yeah. Uh, Aladdin Bust You says, what's up, homies? Can we talk about Elijah Mitchell for just a second here? We can do it for more than a second. Yeah. Uh, just 15 yards behind Najee Harris for the most rush yards by a rookie, despite playing three fewer games. So yeah, Elijah Mitchell.


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[Assistant] I feel like he's going under the radar, kind of like the same reason maybe people aren't giving Mac Jones the credit, cause like, oh perfect situation, you got the Patriots offense around you. I feel like people are saying that about Elijah Mitchell, perfect situation, which it is, Kyle Shanahan run scheme, but is a lot of it him too?


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[Assistant] One more thing on the 49ers here. I feel bad we haven't talked about the Vikings that much. Jimmy Garoppolo, uh, we got a question on him. Derek Weatherford said, Did the 49ers struggle earlier in the season because Kyle thought Jimmy had taken the next step and put a lot more of the offense on his shoulders?


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[Assistant] Which is not if you think the 49ers are a potential Super Bowl winning team.


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[Assistant] Uh, shoulder dislocation. We'll see if any damage was done with that. And so they would lose definitely one of the top running backs. Madison can carry some of the load, but that would be a big blow for either team, obviously. And that was give me the headlines presented by Hyundai.


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[Assistant] For the first time ever at the top of the show. Boom. I'm gonna say that. I think it's a lie, but we're just gonna go with it. It's real. At this point. You could have put this game at the top of the show too. Actually the next two we're about to talk about.


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[Assistant] Patriots defeat the Titans 36-13 in a game where Tennessee did not have Derrick Henry and still ran for 270 yards. Yeaah. They could not throw the ball. 93 yards, I think the Patriots and Matt Judon had a lot to do with that. Uh, Patriots right now, are they the best team in the AFC?


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[Assistant] Alright, so where does that leave Tennessee now? Obviously all banged up. Derek Henry out, could come back for the playoffs maybe last week of the regular season.


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[Assistant] AJ Brown, banged up, you know, it seems like when he gets back healthy, he goes right back out. Same thing for Julio. It seems like when he's getting close, he goes back out.


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[Assistant] And so it's just, uh, you don't, you have no weapons if you're, if you're running 10-0. They gotta get them back. The problem for them is, well, here's the, the problem is I don't know that they will get them back fully until the playoffs start. You know, who knows here over the next month. The good news is, is they've built up some wins to give them a little bit of a cushion. 100%.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was like the off, you didn't see that many big plays by the offense. Kendrick Bourne down the sideline, the 41 yard touchdown, great run after they catch.


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[Assistant] They were always in field goal range. It's like all their possessions. Here they are. Touchdown, field goal, field goal, field goal, missed field goal. So they're in field goal range. Then a punt.


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[Assistant] And then a touchdown, field goal, touchdown, end of game. And so it's like, they're, they're not huge plays, but they're in scoring position almost all game. They were put there by some turnovers by the defense. So maybe they were okay letting them run 70 yards downfield. If they could pop the ball out like they did JC Jackson one time, five fumbles forced. I think they recovered three of them.


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[Assistant] Did the Patriots, but man, Mack Jones, efficient once again, 310 yards career high. He was a perfect 11 for 11 on the play action pass. So even without a huge running game, still able to use play action effectively. Neil Mo 2010 says victory lap for Chris, please. I'm giving him his flowers while he can still smell them.


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[Assistant] My guy said Mack Jones was the most NFL ready quarterback in the draft. They laughed at him. Who's laughing now? Thank you.


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[Assistant] Big win for the Patriots, big win for the rookie quarterback who looks very confident and perhaps no rookie quarterback looked more confident last year than Joe Burrow. And he looked confident after his game, talking about beating the Patriots or the Steelers, excuse me, twice in the same season. First time that the Bengals have done that since 2009. Bengals defeat the Steelers.


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[Assistant] They died. They died. They strangled them. Right. What if we just become the most graphic football podcast out there? I like it. For as well.


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[Assistant] If you kissed the quarterback and it was Ben Roethlisberger right now, he might fall down and throw an interception. Cause that was a bad game for him. Uh, I mean, like, this is one of those where...


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[Assistant] You, you almost get the feeling like this can, you know, not turn the season because I think both these teams are who they are. But for the Bengals, man, how much confidence do you get by beating up this defense who had Minka Fitzpatrick back, who had TJ Watt back in there? You score 41 and for the Steelers, you just feel like, uh,


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[Assistant] Okay, there you go, I'm saying that right now. You got that Pete? You got that Pete? Kiss your feet. With your shoes on. Why would I even want that? Like, I would like, let's do something that I'd actually want. Like, kiss my Currys. Kiss my Currys.


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[Assistant] Against his, uh, his former team, the five-year NFL vet said he'd never before been in his football career or had a, had a pick six in his football career, even dating back to peewee football.


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[Assistant] Mr. Calling. Uh, uh, so here's the deal, like, Cincinnati, right? We were talking about them, and you said something that kinda shocked me, and I think it shocked a lot of other people.


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[Assistant] You said that of all the teams in this division, and maybe we shouldn't be shocked, but you said Cincinnati has the least amount of questions of any team here. They can run the ball and Joe Mixon, we saw that 165 yards. You believe in their quarterback. And I guess that means you, you believe in the coaching staff can figure


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[Assistant] They're going to go, they're going to go try to get all those quarterbacks. They're going to end up with a 40 something year old Matt Ryan going in next year. Well, we got, we got one guy. Maybe he's got one more year left.


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[Assistant] So damn okay, we got some young defenders who broke out in a couple of our games. And so we'll start with our Sunday night football game, Ravens and Browns, who, the best game of the day. We always say that because it's our game, right? It's just always the best game of the day. There are a few areas. We don't have to say that. No, we have, we're, yeah. It's not in my game.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they made a lot of, I mean, it almost is more impressive cuz Lamar had that bad game throwing the picks, the four interceptions. No doubt they were able to hold the Browns to 10 points who have their own issues. Uh, but what'd you think about those two players specifically?


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[Assistant] If we ever have a game where Lamar throws four picks all when targeting Mark Andrews, which is kind of crazy. Um, we're going to need that defense. So what'd you make of the, the offensive side there for the Ravens? I mean, at the end of the game, Lamar was talking to Catherine Tappan and he was like, I'm beside myself. He almost couldn't speak. He's like, I want to say a whole lot more, but I probably shouldn't. Uh, he was just so.


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[Assistant] He was like trying to scratch, he was like, how is this happening? Yeaah, I think he was in shock. How did it happen?


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[Assistant] Cleveland is frustrating me. The question that everyone in Cleveland is asking right now, this is the one question. This is basically the one question. Sober Wrestling asks us, should the Browns bench Mayfield and play Keenum?


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[Assistant] After the game, Baker said he felt better. Yeah, he says this is good.


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[Assistant] Um, didn't get it with a running game this week, which was surprising, uh, for a Kevin Stefanski Brown's team here with Chubb and Hunt, 17 rushes, 40 yards.


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[Assistant] 2.4 yards per carry, all the lowest in a Browns game under Stefanski. Uh, give some credit to the Ravens there. And so let's- Yea, Ravens got big people on D. They do.