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[Assistant] But they shelter them. Like our kids? Well we have kids too, like, and I have an average height daughter and I have a little son, but my son gets treated the same way as my daughter just cause he's little.


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[Assistant] Everyone thinks he's like so cute and he's a baby but he just turned a year old. No, like when he's bad he gets treated like a one year old.


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[Assistant] There's 25% chance it'd be double dominant, which means it dies because they get both the dwarf genes. It's 50% chance it's gonna be average and 25% chance it'll be a little person.


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[Assistant] Mine was on purpose. My last time I did IVF.


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[Assistant] Which is like, you go to the doctor and they put it in and it was like a strawberry.


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[Assistant] Well, not really like that. I had a son prior and he passed away. Oh. So after that I wanted to have another son and you get to choose the gender. Like you could choose. Like they made him in like a pizza dish literally.


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[Assistant] When we get pregnant, we get really big, like, we get like real fucking big.


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[Assistant] Like, we like pass out when we lay back if you like lay back too far.


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[Assistant] We want to be put on these shows and given the chance to prove ourselves. It's going to be the very first show that we get put on. I feel like it's going to be a big like eye opener for people that's going to take it seriously.


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[Assistant] Not TV shows, like a rolling lab, like we were trying to perform, like you said not music, but as far as like not putting music out wise, I mean like we were trying to like perform, like we were trying to show out.


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[Assistant] Five seasons of reality TV and over like 25 million total channel views, like, and we have like one of them YouTube plaque things like, bitch.


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[Assistant] Like when you post our stuff on this podcast, when you post it on Nojumper on their Instagram page, like people are going to talk shit. They're going to be like, oh my God, mentions are gross, we're afraid of them. But low key, those people that follow us, watch us, stalk us. Who would say that? The white people.


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[Assistant] But I don't like, I feel like some of his content is still derogatory.


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[Assistant] Right. Like we be turning up and we have fun, like, but like, I like to dance and like have fun as a person. I don't be like...


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[Assistant] Right. Like I thought it was late that we drove little cars in a video, but I wasn't like...


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[Assistant] Be picked up by them. That we want to be picked up by them.


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[Assistant] And then BB and they like, when we walk in the club, people assume like they have to spread the way. Like no, we get through faster, but it's like, it's nasty because some people like fat people, like they be running into us. Like it's just nasty. Like our face is in the wrong spots.


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[Assistant] People don't realize, and the shit they say, like, the DMs that I have, like, can you imagine the things I would do to you? Yes, I can, because I'm 29 years old and I have a sex life, so yes, I can. Do I want to imagine them with you? Absolutely the fuck not.


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[Assistant] Artists are like so offended when we're just like no because so many girls like throw themselves at artists and we're around it because we're in the clubs and we're promoting our music and stuff and we're friends with them we don't go to fuck but we see all the girls like


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[Assistant] It's funny cause like artists, I feel like anybody likes the people that don't pay them no mind. But then they're like so like bothered, like why are we not like, we're not gonna fuck with them.


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[Assistant] People expect us to be like, shy, I feel like sometimes, taken aback, and then like, I talk a lot of shit.


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[Assistant] Like our heads don't tilt back all the way and plus like for like fake titties, if they're like two rounds, like it would stick out of our armpit, like they have to be like the little ones that are further out. Hell yea, you can go somewhere dumb.


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[Assistant] But I want a BBL, which is like a fat transfer. But I'm afraid like, the doctor, if they're not familiar with like, a little person's shape, they would make me really un-proportionate. Cause naturally, we're un-proportionate.


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[Assistant] Right, and like naturally our torsos are really curved, so like when I'm like relaxing, like we look pregnant, but like I'm not, we just be like our backs be swayed, that's why our butts poke out.


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[Assistant] That was for the TV show. It was like very influenced by that, so. But we also wanted to do it too. Right. But they don't like, they, that was more like, the show was like, y'all should do music, they need like storyline shit, they didn't really like do it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I get emails all the time that are like, if you don't take that live off your Instagram, we're gonna find you, we're gonna fire you, da da da da. Cause I go on live and I'm like, that's fake, that's fake, that's fake, that's fake.


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[Assistant] Like the stuff about making our music look like different than it really is. Because we take our music seriously.


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[Assistant] We need our own show. So many people want it. Like people, that's why we vlog a lot. People don't realize, first of all, what we go through. Like everyday, like everyday shit, like people-


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[Assistant] But like we wanna show y'all like the truth, like we really go through it and like the whole like journey. Cause it's about to be so great.


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[Assistant] No, like above average, above average. I mean I don't discriminate against like height in the sense of like, it's just different. Like I have very different tastes, like there's some that are like the ones I show you and the others are just like, you like that?


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[Assistant] All the time. You know how old I am? I'm 29. All the time. It was 29 years ago. To adopt a little person is a lot more, it's like different. And adopting in the United States, like to have all the right paperwork, it's like more expensive with lawyers.


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[Assistant] So like, the people that got rid of me got rid of me because I was little. People that adopted me adopted me because I was little.


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[Assistant] I mean luckily like I said, I got sold from some rich average height people to some rich little people. So lucky I got lucky.


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[Assistant] But like you can't like touch me in any of the videos and stuff, you have to like edit it in. You can have like a stunt double.


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[Assistant] I am the plug. No jumper! You ain't finna do your whole thing, the whole interview?


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[Assistant] The thing is, if you're boring, like if you come and you do an interview boring, why would you not edit it to make it dope? If you don't, that's just, there you're not gonna get views. We don't edit it.


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[Assistant] And I am so fortunate to be loved by the people by whom I am loved.


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[Assistant] That Ladybugz was talking about her power-ups and she said, this one's ice. So I'm guessing this is where we're going to use the ice one since we already alluded to it. And this is what they call frozen. Um, I have no idea what it's about.


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[Assistant] Like we already did like Andre and his ice cream, so I feel like we did that ice thing already. So I'm guessing maybe somebody knew?


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[Assistant] Oh my god, he's literally perfect. I love ice skating. I absolutely love ice skating. I'm gonna cry, this boy is like perfect.


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[Assistant] How- how am I- I am so jealous of Marinette right now. Like I am like ready to pull like a Marinette Chloe move and just like slap her down.


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[Assistant] Come on. You're being ridiculous. Like, y'all are a team. Like, she's trying to be respectful to you. Like, yea, she's just hate the damn Rose. But like, she's trying to be respectful to you.


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[Assistant] That was way too much fun. Oh my god. Luca gets me so flustered. Like I cannot. Like I know he's a child and he's a child and children are gross. Okay. Like never. But like, look. Okay. And I'm married.


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[Assistant] Uh, we losing her mind, and I'm still losing my mind.


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[Assistant] Cause this, this is my type, it's my type, it's my, my little, my little, little crush type so badly. I love them bad boys, but he's not bad. I like those bad boys that like look like a bad boy but aren't a bad boy, they're like the sweetest boys and they're like super caring and they like...


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[Assistant] Oh my god, I love him so much. I love him so much. I could just die. Like, oh my god, I love Luca. I don't know what it- I know what it is. I shouldn't say- I don't know what it is about- I know what it is about him. It's his black nail polish, like, fawn over it. It's that, like,


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[Assistant] Blue highlights in his hair, fawn over it. It's his soft-spoken voice, like, loving it. The fact that he loves the music, like, dying. Like, oh my god, it's his, like, gentleness and just, like,


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[Assistant] So like, this boy is just everything. Like, oh my god, he's so perfect. He's literally so perfect. I am, I am aghast.


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[Assistant] That, like, Marinette can't understand and get over Adrian.


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[Assistant] I get why she likes Adrian, I do, but like, oh my god, Luca is so much better. Luca is so much better. You don't have to worry about it and Luca actually sees you as like a love interest. Literally, he's stared you down in the face and he is like,


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[Assistant] If I could only have that grace of being the one who writes a song about Luca, like, oh my god, like,


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[Assistant] I cannot, this boy is literally everything. I could gush about him for hours and I've only, I've only had Luca for a few days.


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[Assistant] And I'm already in love. I am madly in love with Luca. Like, oh my god, he's so much better. He's so much better than Adrian in every way. Okay? In every way.


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[Assistant] Oh my god, not to mention Luca's mom is like a cool, like, sea pirate lady, like, come on. That's awesome. Literally awesome.


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[Assistant] Uh, and his sister is Julika, so like, Julika would be like, your sister-in-law, which would be really cool if you got married.


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[Assistant] Julica's amazing, and Julica and Rose, so like, you'd already have like, you know?


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[Assistant] Julica and your family and you'd have Rose in your family because obviously Julica and Rose are gonna get together.


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[Assistant] Especially after Zombie Zoo and they're like holding each other, it was adorable! Uhm.


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[Assistant] Oh right, there's other things that happened in this episode besides Luca. Uhm, I honestly can't be bothered to remember what they were though.


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[Assistant] Joking, I'm joking. Uh, Kagami. Kagami? Kagami.


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[Assistant] I'm never gonna remember her name because I'm so obsessed with Luka. Kagami. Uhm.


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[Assistant] I love her. I love her. Honestly love her. She's a boss. I adore her character. To be quite honest, I know that...


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[Assistant] Manic color and ice queen? I don't know why. Like, I don't get that vibe from her, like...


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[Assistant] She just seems more reserved. And her upbringing like makes sense.


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[Assistant] Like, even Kagami was like...


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[Assistant] I want to meet Marinette and be friends with her, so I'm a little sad. I know Marinette didn't hear that, but it did make me a little sad that Marinette was a little like, meh, coarser, without any good reason. Uhm, I like her though. I love that she literally like, helped Marinette up and she was like,


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[Assistant] Boss Lady Energy that I love. I love that. Marinette can learn a thing or two from that. Like, you go for what you want. Honestly, girl. And I do like that she's like, well, Adrian, if you change your targets, I'm here. I, I enjoyed that.


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[Assistant] Though it does seem like she recognizes that Adrian does have a potential crush on Marinette.


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[Assistant] Kagami can recognize that Adrian does, and I think...


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[Assistant] The major red flag is that he literally left her to go check on Marinette. Even though, you know, Luca, like, should've...


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[Assistant] Plot there, uh, this episode was saucy though. There was so much, so much shipping there. I can't even imagine what y'all thought when you originally watched this episode when this came out. This was so saucy. Uhm.


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[Assistant] My poor little heart couldn't take it. There's just so much going on. Somebody makes feelings, like we have like a...


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[Assistant] I don't know if I could call this a love square, but it's gotten very complicated because we have our...


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[Assistant] Our what, three-way love thing, and now we have this odd...


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[Assistant] It's not, it's not like triangle, but bigger than a triangle because there's four of them. It's weird. It is an odd little love tangle we have going on here, but I'm definitely interested to see where it goes. Uhm.


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[Assistant] I do like that the show is building on itself, I really enjoy the fact that


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[Assistant] Things that happen in the first half of season two are relevant towards the second half of season two. I like that it's not just this like, continuous band of like,


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[Assistant] We're not gonna address things until the next season. I like that we are building. I sincerely really really enjoy that fact. Uhm.


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[Assistant] I am still a little bit sad that we haven't dealt with, uhm, or talked about Laila.


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[Assistant] Like, at all. We only mentioned Lila once, and that was when, uh, uh,


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[Assistant] Rina Rouge was like, I look like Lila. Like that's the only time. So I'm a little upset because I really thought Lila would be a bigger part of season two.


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[Assistant] And she hasn't been. I get we have other things to do and apparently other characters to address. But like, Hawk Moth was like, I'm gonna keep her in my pocket or something. And we've just not seen her, so.


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[Assistant] A little bit bummed by that fact, so I'm hopeful she'll come back.


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[Assistant] Like, we're on episode, like, 17 now, and she hasn't been around, so it's slightly bit concerning at this point that she's just not gonna be back for a long time. So, we'll see, uhm, along with that, we do know that there's...


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[Assistant] Three more miraculous in the opening that we haven't been shown, the silhouettes.


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[Assistant] Uhm, we have the turtle, which is masters. There's...


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[Assistant] A blue one that looked like the peacock one that, uhm.


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[Assistant] Adrian's dad, Gabriel has. It looked like that one. And, I mean, we only have those miraculous. Uhm, and then...


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[Assistant] The yellow one. So I'm curious since we're so far into the season now.


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[Assistant] We have to be getting close to using them, right? Or are we just literally just having the silhouettes there and that's it? Like it could be faking us out, but the fact that we got Alia with the fox one and Trix makes me believe that we're probably gonna address the other three as well, which is terrifying.


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[Assistant] Because we know one is owned by Gabriel, so.


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[Assistant] Maybe, maybe Lila gets it. Oh, that'd be cool. Maybe Lila gets her own Miraculous.


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[Assistant] That'd be interesting if he gave out a Miraculous of his own. That'd be cool.


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[Assistant] I would love that. I would sincerely love if he gave that miraculous to Lilah. That'd be cool. That'd be worth the wait, Lilah getting it.


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[Assistant] And then yeah, that only leaves us with like two other miraculous then.


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[Assistant] And now I'm starting to actually think though, that uhm, Adrian knows.


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[Assistant] Right? We know the yellow one was too feminine of a body, so maybe the green? Master's turtle? We know it's the turtle because of the opening.


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[Assistant] I would like if Master trusted Adrian to pick somebody to hold the miraculous, or is that only a ladybug thing I wonder? Maybe it is just a ladybug thing.


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[Assistant] Since I don't think Adrian's ever been to the place, so maybe he won't trust Adrian with it. That'd be interesting though that... I wonder, like, her picking Nino. That's interesting.


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[Assistant] Like, all my brain wants to do is just like, gosh, about Lucas. I'm just trying to think of things, y'all. I'm trying my best.


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[Assistant] But honestly, I had a lot of fun with this episode. It was so good. The two fakeouts of like...


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[Assistant] Marinette's saying like, I love you, Adrian. And Adrian being like, I love you. And like, turning into Adrian. Like, very good fakeouts. Really had me going, so kudos to them.


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[Assistant] But I have a lot of fun, thank you guys so much for watching, it means so much to me. Uhm, I believe this is our, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, I think, I think that's what we're at. I don't know. My brain is Luca. Just Luca. I'm, I'm Luca.


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[Assistant] I'm drooling at this point, I need to stop.


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[Assistant] I need some last week, cause your girl's getting a little thirsty over this little punk boy.


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[Assistant] Oh my god, like 16 year old me would be, literally make her...


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[Assistant] 16 year old me, yea, y'all, hold on, before we start. 16 year old me, if she was watching this. Dare I even say 17 year old me. Had she been watching this show.


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[Assistant] I kid you not, Luca would become my phone screen, my home screen, he'd be, I would print out some really dumb


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[Assistant] Low quality PNGs of him on my printer and put them up in my room.


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[Assistant] I would literally probably make one of his songs he's like played on guitar as like my phone ringtone.


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[Assistant] Like, it'd be bad. It'd be so bad. I- I make-


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[Assistant] I adore it so much, like, oh my god, I'm crushing on this boy. Okay, we're done, we're done, we're done, we're done, we're done.


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[Assistant] Yeah. I'll see you all later!


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[Assistant] Where the best dreams can suddenly come true. A place where desire never dies and love knows no bounds.


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[Assistant] The man who never forgets a birthday, no matter how many projects he's involved in.


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[Assistant] And a legendary father, Mr. Aaron Spelling.


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[Assistant] It, uh, it was something that, I don't know, it was just real natural because I listen to hip hop and all these.


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[Assistant] I like tattoos, you know, but when you would go to the tattoo shops,


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[Assistant] Back then it was more like biker owned, you know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] Uh, there wasn't hip hop on the radio and rappers weren't really getting tattoos when we started out.


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[Assistant] But the homie street guys were. So we were just doing it to like, be cool amongst our peers, you know? Right.


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[Assistant] Tattooing is the most difficult form of all too, but. Right. Yeah, we didn't really, really see that big picture at the very beginning. We were doing it more to, uh, because we had to.


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[Assistant] With tattooing those older OGs out, they don't even want to see you doing a t-shirt graphic.


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[Assistant] They look at that as like, you know, maybe for the shop it's cool, but...


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[Assistant] Don't get too fancy on us, you know what I mean? Right. I never went to art school like formal art training, but if you did, they shit on you. That was a real handicap.


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[Assistant] Tattooing was something that was like a blue collar job, you know, uh, plumbers, maybe electrician, and then a tattooer, and then like a guy that paints cars. You know, it went in that.


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[Assistant] It wasn't supposed to, but when I got into it, I was already doing album covers for like EZE, um, uh, Above the Law.


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[Assistant] So I was doing already that's a Kid Frost album cover. So I was like, man, you get paid this in the music business, but the hardest sport in the world is tattooing and you get the least money for that. So it just seemed like it had a long way to go still.


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[Assistant] But the tattoos were dope, but the business side of it still had a long way to go.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, and if you walk around with a tattoo on your face, every knucklehead is going to approach you. They want to know why you got that tattoo on your face.


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[Assistant] They probably saved him from getting beat up and you know, you know, I ain't got to tell you, you know what I mean? Once the facials and the neck and the hands start getting done.


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[Assistant] You definitely attract the eyes of law enforcement and uh, knuckleheads in the bar.


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[Assistant] Yeah, those areas are, uh, slowly getting gentrified, but.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's amazing, you know, you drive through even Hollywood right now has changed.


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[Assistant] They're like ninjas, they're more hit out, you know, shadows and shit.


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[Assistant] Witnessed unfortunately a lot of, uh, homeless sex.


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[Assistant] But, uh, once they get the erase your memory bank thing going, I'll take that part out.


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[Assistant] Started in downtown and my parents moved to the harbor area of LA, which is uh, end of the 110 freeway.


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[Assistant] And, uh, I lived in Torrance, I lived in Redondo, Gardena, uhm, but I ended up my high school years


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[Assistant] You got white picket fence and palm trees, but you've got housing projects and low riders. Everything's kind of mixed together by the water.


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[Assistant] Good, I had it till I see some of my homeboys and they were, uh, real poor, you know? Right. I had two, uh, middle class parents that worked a lot and, uhm, they let, you know, with them gone I went into the street.


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[Assistant] But, uh, we had a pretty good compared to them. You know, my dad was always a hustler and had vintage cars.


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[Assistant] Well, we're, you know, regular middle-class Mexican family in Southern California.


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[Assistant] Oh, for sure, like, you know, there was plenty of my homeboys that just played sports and never got into, like, gang life or...


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[Assistant] Uhm, that culture, uhm, I was attracted, you know, I didn't know the Fonz was doing robberies, you know, or, or carjackings and shit. The Fonz from Happy Days? Yeah, like I wanted to hang out with the Fonz in high school. Right. But I didn't know that, you know, little gang banging and shit. I didn't know the Fonz did that either.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, in the harbor area, you have two lakes. You could be a longshoreman, or you know, so dope.


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[Assistant] You're a union worker that makes, you know, six starts to six figure a year and, uh, all the benefits and, you know, some of them become crane operators and get big bread. So you got homeboys from LA with bread driving rag impalas and having shit.


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[Assistant] No battling each other, your own people kind of.


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[Assistant] When I knew I loved the low riders, you know, I didn't, uh, didn't like going to jail, didn't like, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, shooting anybody or robbing shit. But I like the low riders, the fashion, the culture, you know what I mean? Like the music, the girls, all the good shit.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, exactly, and I was going to high school in the 80s, you know, so uhm,


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[Assistant] Gangbanging was at an all time high. Shit was real crazy. Your own people kind of preying on you. And uhm,


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[Assistant] I got fortunate that I love to draw, you know what I mean? And I would do graffiti, you know, paint murals on the wall. And I figured out how to paint portraits of people's cars and shit, like airbrushing t-shirts.


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[Assistant] Uh, swap me, I'll go to the Slauson Indoor, and I'll set up a little 10 by 10 and start airbrushing my teeth.


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[Assistant] For sure, I drew for the school newspaper, uhm, I'd get myself out, like, I wouldn't do any work all year. And then the teacher's ready to flunk me, and I'd pull the teacher aside and go, look, before you flunk me, I noticed that everyone brings food in the classroom. If I draw you a sign,


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[Assistant] That says no eating in class in a way that's gonna catch their eye. Your life's gonna be easier.


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[Assistant] So if you give me that D, I'm gonna hook you up, like just pass me. So I started to kind of learn how to use artwork. Wow. Not to so much manipulate other people, but to manipulate the situation and kind of...


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[Assistant] Start bartering my artwork and that's how I built my first Lowriders and started my whole company by bartering shit. Wow.


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[Assistant] You know what, I found out that I love drawing at about 12. And my parents were really cool, laid back. They're artists too, they can draw. Not professionally, but they can draw.


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[Assistant] And with their encouragement, I kept doing it and you know, I put in some years and I started to get good from practicing. I think it's from practicing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the natural talent part was that I liked art. I had like a passion and I really dug it. Then you throw practice on top of that and then people kind of, I don't know if you're born with it or you can kind of build it as you go. You know what I'm saying? Cause I've definitely had to work at it.


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[Assistant] So, uh, timing's also maybe what they call a talent.


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[Assistant] Uh, surrounding yourself by other people that are on the same path.


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[Assistant] I would just kinda look over shoulder of, uh, other graffiti writers or...


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[Assistant] My old man had a print shop like his business was at.


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[Assistant] He made business cards, restaurant menus, posters, and that required artists to be around.


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[Assistant] Business card for a candy paint shop, you know, the painted cars.


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[Assistant] And these guys were candying impalas and laying flake and pearls. Bunch of real ass dudes. Yea, a bunch of older men that were into fucking candy painting cars.


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[Assistant] And knuckleheads and they just, I just was a fly on the wall. And you just started soaking shit up right away? I did, I fell in love with old school cars and I started to sweep the shop and you know, made a decision that I'm gonna commit myself to this and I'm gonna have that shit one day.


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[Assistant] Oh, for sure, I mean, you know, I was in it, once you kind of, you know, that's your group of friends, you're in it, but you gotta learn how to survive through that shit, so, my friends will be like, hey man, we're gonna go to this party, and then after that we're gonna go, you know, hit this liquor store. You down?


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[Assistant] I'd be like, fuck yeah, let's do that shit. Oh fuck, I gotta go to work.


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[Assistant] You know what I'm saying? So I, I got a job at a young age of doing, working in the body shops and hanging around the art and shit. And uh, it saved me from being around the knuckleheads.


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[Assistant] Definitely. I mean, my job was to write on walls. You know what I mean? That's what I was best at. I did just enough fighting and have to go fucking crack somebody, you know, and do this and that to let them know you're not some pussy or some shit.


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[Assistant] I seen my friends go and getting busted and start to do some time.


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[Assistant] You go to a couple of funerals in between that shit and you're like, man, that guy was way harder than me and he got fucked up. So I better stick to the drawing shit. So the tough guy shit's hard to be, hard to win.


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[Assistant] When you do a legal piece, your heart's going through your chest, and you gotta focus on doing straight lines, and like...


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[Assistant] What you do right, right now, everyone's gonna see it. So even though you're nervous as fuck, you can't let that shit show in your art.


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[Assistant] Or in your piece. Sometimes it would just be block letters or, you know, a tag in a bathroom, but regardless, you gotta make it clean and you gotta get off under pressure.


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[Assistant] Then I would line up legit murals, you know, that I would...


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[Assistant] Trade a set of wire wheels or datons for in our painter.


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[Assistant] And at the same time, KDY was a brand new radio station. Power 106 was still playing like high energy music and uh, hip hop at night.


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[Assistant] You know, and uh, I was like, how can I fit in to hip hop? You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Breaking wasn't gonna happen, DJing or rapping wasn't gonna happen, but I could draw.


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[Assistant] Well, LA and New York are very different as far as graffiti goes, but we were definitely influenced by the bombing that was going on in New York.


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[Assistant] Exactly, like we'd watch TV shows and the trains would be trashed, you know, but it's like.


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[Assistant] You're, you're, you're watching the Jeffersons or some shit and he just happens to be in the subway and you're like, you see this shit, like, oh shit. And we couldn't rewind or pause that shit. And there was a Blondie video, Rapture, where it has Lee and probably a Futura piece in that shit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it had real graphs, where Beat Street had fake graffiti in it, and Remo did fake graffiti. He was dope. Remo was dope.


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[Assistant] But even back then as a kid, I thought that movie was the shit.


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[Assistant] Now as an adult, I look back and I'm like, the art department did that graffiti. That's fucked up. They could have got even the worst graffiti writer to do better. Right.


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[Assistant] But we were just happy to see minorities or, uhm, graffiti or hip-hop on the screen, you know? Yeaah, definitely.


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[Assistant] It happened really weird. I got arrested in high school. I had two detectives come in and pull me out of class. And uh,


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[Assistant] They had been following me for some time, but I had two names. I had a graph name and a street name. Wow. My street name was Cartoon, but my graph name was Flame One. Okay. And uh, so they were looking for two different heads. So I slowed them down for a minute, and uh,


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I, I caught a case and uh, fortunately the officer had been to one of my father's birthday parties and my old man throws good parties and he's a real character and everyone loves my old man.


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[Assistant] He's got the, uh, Paula at the shop right now. She's working on it, so. That's good. Me and my father are real tight. I bet. And uhm, my own story is short.


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[Assistant] That saved me when I had to go to court and all that shit. It's just having the two different names. Or no, him, the copy of Friends of the Dead. The arresting officer knowing my old man was good, you know, and uh, so from that point I was like, alright, I'm not that slick as I thought I was.


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[Assistant] And I had to pay a fine, so I went and did graffiti to pay the fine. Right. And I would go, I would walk up to boxing schools, barber shops, sound and audio shops, anywhere that was kind of like, would embrace graffiti, you know, and I would try to do straight letters and put their phone number, and I even figured out how to do t-shirt graphics back then.


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[Assistant] I was airbrushing them by hand and I learned how to do camera ready pen and ink graphic so that it could be put on a silkscreen.


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[Assistant] I kinda taught myself all that shit by watching other, by watching professionals.


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[Assistant] Oh, for sure. It's like taking a, a sixty, a fifty-nine impala that's a bucket and it looks like it's been on the bottom of the ocean.


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[Assistant] You know, acid blasting that, you know, soda blasting the car, take it off the frame, powder coat the frame, and put each nut and bolt brand new. It's kind of how I would do with other projects and uhm, being able to build something, I think. You know?


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, and it helps to see some people do it that you know. So I had a member in my crew named Risk.


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[Assistant] And uh, Risk had a company called Third Rail. And it was the first time we had seen street wear. Right. And this motherfucker threw a tag.


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[Assistant] In applique on the front of a hoodie and had like a little embroidery on the wrist and a woven label. We were like.


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[Assistant] And the woven label said like, fuck you on it or some shit like that. And we were blown away, man, that first of all, the homie did it. Second of all, he said fuck you. Third of all, this was some quality shit.


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[Assistant] Our, uh, Navy surplus stores. So you would go and you could buy Carhartt, Ben Davis, Dickies, uhm, and big sizes, men's sizes at these, uhm, these shops. And they were meant to have like Swiss army knives, a bunch of bullshit you didn't want, but they did have


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[Assistant] Uh, Carhartt and thick ass raw denim jeans. Levi's raw denim.


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[Assistant] And we go to JCPenney and buy white t-shirts, and that was our fashion. Right. And growing up in Southern California, you don't have to have layers of jackets and all that, you get one jacket.


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[Assistant] So if he did, I know he's a knucklehead. I know I could do it. It gave me the motivation to attempt it myself.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, my first introduction of course was, uh, listening to K.D.Y. and it was just, uh,


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[Assistant] I would hear radio advertisements for Uncle Jam's army. This wicked Uncle Jam's army at the road, at the skating rink, you know, there would be these crazy commercials and I would be like, Egyptian lover.


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[Assistant] It's going to be performing and they would hype you up. And so I was like, man, how, how could I be a part of that shit? You know, and, um, I, I'm seeing easy E at a car wash in LA.


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[Assistant] What year we talking when you met him? This is 1990.


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[Assistant] Okay. And he's chillin'. Of course he's got two giant Samoan twins with him.


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[Assistant] And, uh, I walked up to him and I gave him my business card. And I was like, what's up, easy.


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[Assistant] My name's Toon and I do murals and logos, blah blah blah.


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[Assistant] I gave him my cards, alright man, good to meet you, shook my hand, kept it moving, never heard from him.


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[Assistant] Found out that he lived in Norwalk Road, I lived at a time, and they go easy lives down the block.


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[Assistant] Little bit crazy, I got out my car, I had a mural on the hood, knocked on his door. The Samoans answered the door.


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[Assistant] What's up? It's EZ here. Who you man? And I was like, I'm artist man. And I'm trying to talk my way out. EZ came out, looked at my car.


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[Assistant] I gave him my little two second pitch, he said call me on Monday. And after that I did the Penthouse Players album cover.


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[Assistant] MC Ren's first album cover and, uh, Above the Law. Wow.


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[Assistant] So that was, it was pretty crazy. But I was having to walk in and deal with the art department.


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[Assistant] And prior to that, I started doing graffiti on TV shows. Uhm, my sister, you know, your family gets you a job, she goes,


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[Assistant] You're not gonna believe this. They want you to go to Paramount Studios and just ride all over the walls and they're gonna pay you. My mom did an ear voice on a typewriter.


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[Assistant] Got my old man's old briefcase to my spray paint cans and that shit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you're like, they're calling me sir. And uhm, I'm in Hollywood right now, you know what I mean? Yeah.


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[Assistant] My homeboys didn't even know how to get to Hollywood. And we lived like...


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[Assistant] 20 miles from there, you know what I mean? Right. But, uh, long story short, I just kind of...


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[Assistant] And my homeboys didn't think he was even a real job. They thought I had like a scam going, you know that.


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[Assistant] You're getting paid for writing our names and you do that shit for free anyways.


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[Assistant] Well I'd bring them with me and they'd start stealing food off the craft service table. And they'd be like, uhm, excuse me sir, you can have it.


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[Assistant] And then, you know, they start punking the PAs. Once they figure it out, they can get over it and everyone's kind of soft.


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[Assistant] I realized I couldn't bring them back to, you know, don't bring your homeboys to work. You know, I guess is the moral of that story.


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[Assistant] Oh, for sure. Like, any time I get good at something, I'm ready to move on to the next. So I'd already kind of uh, conquered some of that stuff, and seen how the flow, and seen the, how hard that music business is.


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[Assistant] Chase a check and people are full of shit and this and that. I started to learn that also.


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[Assistant] Uhm, at that same time, I started getting tattooed and hanging out in tattoo shops and smelled the green soap and motherfuckers getting sleeved down in there.


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[Assistant] For now, an NBA player gets a contract, he's gonna hit the jewelry spot.


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[Assistant] He's gonna get his ride and he's gonna get tattooed. Because the tattoos, they realize is the dedication to the culture. You know what I'm saying? It's commitment.


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[Assistant] It was more uhm, there wasn't a lot of brothers getting tattooed. You know, the Mexicans had full sleeves like the homies, but a lot of them were done by single needle by doing time. So if you had sleeves, they would ask you where you do your time at. This was the emergence


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[Assistant] Ed Hardy was probably the biggest star amongst us. Right. Mark Mahoney was a big star, Jack Rudy, uh, Baby Ray, Bob Roberts, uh, these were names that you would hear, Coyote, uh, Freddie DeGretti, you know, these guys were, uhm, famous way before the internet. Right.


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[Assistant] To have a Bob Roberts headpiece is classic. That's a big one.


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[Assistant] But those are the guys we looked up to who were like bikers.


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[Assistant] You know, Freddy was probably the only Chicano in there, but Jack Rudy had grew up in a Mexican neighborhood and drew like a homie, you know? So, uh, we were in there, but now if you look on Instagram,


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[Assistant] You know, Chicanos, Mexican Americans are, we're the pretty much deepest in that shit. And the art form, especially in fine line black and gray, right?


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[Assistant] Now you see pieces coming, you know, Germany, France and South America and all these guys are doing amazing work there.


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[Assistant] They're doing it in places where they probably don't even know what it means. They just know


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[Assistant] It's a time to reminisce and I'm fortunate I was there.


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[Assistant] You know, we even call it the innocent time because it wasn't so polished and perfect and you know, there's reality shows and I have nothing to do with tattoos.


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[Assistant] They're just hanging out in the tattoo shop and arguing over their old lady and shit, but back then you had a lot of rules and, uhm, respect levels. So to open a shop you had to ask permission to open up a shop. To buy a tattoo machine you had to ask permission to do that.


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[Assistant] Things were definitely, everyone knew each other a lot better. But now you have to, hey, it is what it is. There's tattoo reality shows.


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[Assistant] You either embrace that shit or you get left behind. So we just try to embrace it and maintain the shit we learned from then.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm in the middle because I am in business, so I like that part. It grows, your business grows. Yea, like I've turned down all the reality shows for tattooing because


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[Assistant] Part of my success is I'm hard to find.


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[Assistant] And people don't know, they see an interview here and there, but they really don't know our day to day.


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[Assistant] So I wanted to keep that and I didn't want to, uhm, but those shows helped me in a roundabout way where it relaxes the masses.


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[Assistant] To do, uh, right now I'm doing the LA Clippers merch and Modelo and I major, I got two vans coming out. So we have these like corporate gigs but then.


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[Assistant] To balance that, I'll walk into a school in South Central and talk to a high school class.


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[Assistant] No, you wanna be able to try to, uhm, translate the culture to, you know, other people that are in the same vibe you are, you know? In other words, uh,


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[Assistant] I'm using the corporate company as a tool to forward and push forward the stuff. They're gonna do it anyways. So they might as well have me or another street artist that grew up here, let us do it. You know what I mean? Cause they've been, you know, imitating, faking hip hop art for a long time.


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[Assistant] So, it's a, but yeah, you can watch those shows and start getting angry. You know, for sure.


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[Assistant] I know the OGs are fucked, man, they do not like that shit. But, it's going down.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was telling the apprentices the other day in the studio, it's not good enough to be a dope tattoo artist. That's just mandatory.


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[Assistant] Everyone can draw, apparently what I've been saying. These motherfucking kids are dope.


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[Assistant] They take my formula and they're able to run with it. You know what I mean? And add their own shit onto it.


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[Assistant] To be put on stage or a podcast and have to articulate the shit and speak in front of a crowd and do these type of things, so.


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[Assistant] That's the way the world is now, is that you have to have all corners covered. And I learned on accident.


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[Assistant] Well, first of all, I love hip-hop, you know what I mean? I mean, I listen to a lot of classic soul, you know, 19-, late 1950s, 60s and 70s classic soul music, you know? Really, me and my wife, that's all we listen to. But of course, uh, being that,


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[Assistant] I am a graffiti writer. I have been to the East Coast. I'm a writer and graph writer at heart, you know what I mean? So I approach that in the art of tattooing with hip-hop. So it was, uhm, something that kind of happened by accident. I started, uh, going on tour with Cypress Hill. My boy Esteban Oriol, he


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[Assistant] Was the road manager, and he would take me on tour and he was like, bring your tattoo shit with you. We'd be backstage for...


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[Assistant] Six hours waiting for them to go on stage. A lot of downtime as a rapper. A lot of downtime in the backstage and you're in Europe and shit so you can't just go home or nothing.


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[Assistant] So long story short, I just was put in that position.


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[Assistant] Luck is being prepared for opportunity. You know, that's a cliche, but it rings true in certain areas where those times that you're practicing at home and no one's watching,


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[Assistant] That's the shit. That's the shit that makes you different and so when the door does open, you're able to walk through it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, you know, getting to know Bee, Mug, San, Bobo, all those guys, you know, they're from here. These are our local heroes. We don't have many heroes in our community that we can be like, man, these motherfuckers grew up in Southgate, you know?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it had their own style and, you know, mugs moved over from...


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[Assistant] So I watched these guys do press, I watched them go and do interviews and how they moved and they had managers and accountants and so I started to mirror myself after that.


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[Assistant] You are, your mom says, you know, you are who you hang around. So being around people that are a little bit further from you, man, it's, it's, uh, it fires you up.


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[Assistant] Yeah, when you see street guys do it, it makes it, it dumbs it down to where you can understand it.


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[Assistant] Hearing suits talk about it, it's hard to take in, but seeing the, the fellas do it, you're like, oh shit, I could do this. So, I mirrored them, uhm, by going to say I go to Japan.


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[Assistant] And I'll go to the northern part of Sendai and I'll put snipes up on the poles.


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[Assistant] I would work my way down city by city till I end up in Osaka. And I'd stay there for like three months in Japan. Really?


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[Assistant] And uh, that's how I started to build my shit. And uh, I would do what they did. Press, interviews, anything I could do. Um, stickers out, merch. And started to try to step out of my body.


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[Assistant] And say, if I was managing this artist, what would I do with them? Right.


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[Assistant] Nice to let me in. Shouldn't you be scared of me? Yea, you're supposed to be scared of me, motherfucker. I never really, that's just how Japan is. It's uh, unspoken. They have their own saunas, their own gyms.


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[Assistant] They go to their own shit that they own. Uhm, for as taboo as it is, that country has been doing tattoos longer than electricity has been around. That's why they do it hand-poked like that, because they were doing it fucking


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[Assistant] My friend came to me in 1992 and goes, eh homes.


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[Assistant] They want to fly you to Japan to paint a car, and I was like, what? You don't know anybody that had been to Japan at that point, right? Yea, and what does that have to do with lowriding? Nah, man, you gotta understand, they're into that shit. They look like homies, like assays, and some of them look like blood encrypts. They go into a tanning booth, and they cook in there, and come out with fucking cornrows on,


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[Assistant] Jerry Curls and shit, you're like, what the fuck? And they were doing that shit, like thousands of them.


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[Assistant] I mean, that's just it, is that they're perfectionists, you know what I mean? Like, don't underestimate the Japanese, cause when they obsess on something, they get it down.


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[Assistant] And they almost rescued the whole culture of lowriding in LA. Really? Because they bought all these cars overpriced. Wow. You know, they paid double up for a rag in Paula.


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[Assistant] And as a result, homies here were able to open up restoration shops and they were able to have all this work.


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[Assistant] So they really did, by imitating us, they ended up helping us. That's amazing. So, they're just so detailed man.


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[Assistant] We still go back over there, I'm doing a collab with Neighborhood. Really? Brand, uh, where I'll drop those vans and like a whole capsule.


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[Assistant] Sure, we go to Thailand every year. Okay. So Bangkok's a yearly trip and uh, the high society kids out there are all sleeved up.


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[Assistant] Going nuts and lambos and fucking, it's crazy. They have these 13 story malls with


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[Assistant] Rolls Royce dealerships and then you walk outside and you're in a fucking slum. Right. So, but they're beautiful people, man. Thailand's a little rough. Yea, but it's not violent. You know what I mean? They're Buddhist and they're really, really just real safe there. Right.


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[Assistant] But, uh, we started going there and, uh, we just got back from China, so Asia's real heavy.


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[Assistant] You know, Hong Kong coming and, uh, but we go to Canada, you know, we go to other places that really embrace hip hop. Australia and shit.


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[Assistant] A phenom rapper. Kid, I seen him perform before I knew who he was.


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[Assistant] It was at, uhm, one of Biggie's events in downtown.


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[Assistant] And we show up and watch those stages and the whole crowd's like, uuuh. You know, like, it was just... Not a lot of white rappers then, probably. No, they were not.


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[Assistant] I ended up meeting them through Cyprus and Estevan and they had the same management, you know. And once I tattooed him, I no longer needed a portfolio. Back then we used to have portfolios. Right. Where we had all of our shit and photographs in these books and we'd send them to record labels.


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[Assistant] Like that, you know, his fist moves his arm out, bites him out.


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[Assistant] And little by little he would come and get more, you know, and uh,


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[Assistant] It was a trip to see, uh, someone that's a master at what he does, and uh,


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[Assistant] They almost have a lightweight glow, you know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] Nas, or Beyonce, someone like that walks in, you know.


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[Assistant] Eminem had a date with, uh, yeaah. He had a date and he was like, I was like, you know I'm doing your t- there's portrait homes, you know? No pressure and shit. And I'm at a studio in New York, you know, which is above the original Supreme.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so, you know, it's always a precious situation when I went into the 36 chambers to tattoo Method Man.


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[Assistant] Everyone was there smoking, drinking, the lights, the chairs are, you know.


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[Assistant] Being on the road, you have to pack everything in pelican cases. We got it polished now. We got it down because we've been doing it for 20 years. But in the beginning, in those days, it was a lot harder working with one little light in a studio and everyone's, uhm, it's like tattooing in a nightclub in a crowd, you know?


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[Assistant] You know? Or someone getting those old ladies tits done. Right. And how about you showing up, the doctors homeboys start showing up. Hey, what's up fool, what you doing? Oh shit, those look good. People drunk as hell. Cause that's how tattoo shops are, they confuse them for barber shops.


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[Assistant] And they want to come in here and tell me their life story and, uh, yeaah, they like to hang out and bullshit, so I had to...


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[Assistant] Over the years starting narrowing that down and streamlining that so I could get shit done. Yeah, definitely.


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[Assistant] That's a job in itself, so you have to, uh, when I started watching Em and, and


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[Assistant] 50 and all them when they were new and how they were moving.


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[Assistant] They told me, hey man, you need a manager, you need some help. Like you're doing everything yourself, you're negotiating this shit.


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[Assistant] You're answering, you know, calls or email back and you're doing the tattoo, so you need to, uh, let go some of the bread and bring someone in. So that's when I think it started to change when I started to get some help. My guy Hunter, he's been here for 13 years now.


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[Assistant] Uh, he, you know, from England. So when they hear a callback from me, it's with the Queen's English. You know, the price goes up. Right. That's a good point. But I had Smiley from Whitefence answering the phone, but it just didn't work out.


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[Assistant] So I try to keep the homies around and keep them employed if I can, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Hunter's job is to be able to space all that out. So all you artists out there, eventually you're gonna want to space out your artwork. So, this much tattooing.


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[Assistant] We streamline that down a lot and only work pretty much on a lot of repeat clients and choice new ones. And then I have to do illustrations, so I have to pause from that and start drawing, say the clippers artwork, right, for logos and t-shirt graphics and apparel. Then from there, you're gonna go and you have to do a painting.


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[Assistant] Christian Hussoi is doing a thing with Ruka and I gotta do a painting for that.


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[Assistant] And then you gotta come and do an interview and be able to like break that shit down and have current projects going like staying.


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[Assistant] Like I just went back to China, cause I haven't been to China in 10 years. I had to go reintroduce myself to a whole new generation of kids that are just learning about tattooing and hip hop. Right.


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[Assistant] So you have to, you have to, uhm, be strategic.


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[Assistant] But a lot of times too, we do a lot of outreach. Right. We go into uhm,


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[Assistant] Junior highs in high schools or bring kids to an event. And I tell them.


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[Assistant] You know, my formula. And I kinda dare him to do it. And tell him that, hey, maybe if art's not your thing, installing car stereos or...


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[Assistant] Learn how to do body and paint. Do you feel like you get a lot out of that experience of having those real conversations with people?


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[Assistant] I do. I started doing it by mistake. My friends became art teachers. They were like, hey man, the kids are listening to you. Come over, you know, you got tattoos, they'll listen.


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[Assistant] And they, you know, they just want to ask me how much to fix their fucked up tattoos, kids in junior high and shit. I'm trying to give them the fucking keys to the game right here. Well, how much to fix this, you know?


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[Assistant] Sometimes I save one kid, pays attention, you did good, you know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, our jobs are kind of off of our imagination, our passion, our, our detail, our, our...


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[Assistant] We got it good, right? So in order to keep in my head,


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[Assistant] The only way I can keep this is by giving it away. Yeaah. Right? So my old man's like that. I've been raised like that. You know what? You gotta fucking dream life and you need to help others along the way if you can.


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[Assistant] When you try to hoard it, when I tried to learn, these old dinosaurs, these angry motherfuckers, they didn't want to give me nothing.


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[Assistant] Cause they thought I was going to use it against them and take their work and underbid them.


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[Assistant] Wrong, wrong picture of me. I was not, I was not my intention. But in a way they helped me because they made me.


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[Assistant] Take apart an airbrush and put it back together or figure out how a tattoo machine works and


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[Assistant] You know, though, you gotta learn, so. But, I'm not gonna be there everyday for these youngsters.


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna give him my cell number, so this is it. Right. Uhm, hopefully I'm planting the seed.


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[Assistant] And if they work hard, get the shit together, they can do it.


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[Assistant] I did get helped along the way. There were people that took the time and said, hey Tone, you're fucking up, bro.


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[Assistant] Stay away from that, that dark shit, and uh, you know. I mean, also, I work for Hustler Magazine.


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[Assistant] I've done Jules Jordans logos. Oh, I know Jules, yeaah. You know, so, uh,


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[Assistant] Working for us, I've mirrored Larry Flynn's limo. Really? I put, uh, pussies hidden into orchids on the side of his limo.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, it was just, uh, like a Lincoln limo. Okay. But only he can get away with like life-size nude women on the quarter panel of his car.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's uh, most professional artists have a waiting list, you know, if they don't, you know, watch out.


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[Assistant] Sure, sure. But it's impossible because I'm a one man show.


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[Assistant] Half of our job is just trying to figure all that out.


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[Assistant] How do you do that, but then work on an animation project that you want for your own shit?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and there's no shortcuts, and it's, uh, it's very difficult. But, uh,


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's all about that. It's all about being able to be in different worlds within your life. You gotta design this shoe.


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[Assistant] You need to put your shoe hat, like your sneaker head cap on and dive into that shit. And then staying relevant in different worlds is difficult. So what I try to do is just be me.


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[Assistant] Right, and I got a 15 year old kid, 14 year old daughter. I'm watching them, I'm tripping on their shit, what music they're listening to. Right. You know, I'm 50 years old.


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[Assistant] My homeboys are complaining about modern-day hip-hop. I'm like, you old motherfuckers, man. You know how you sound complaining about fucking...


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[Assistant] Rock and rap musicals, come on. But they're complaining more that music is shit.


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[Assistant] Are you trying to say that Kendrick Lamar is shit? No, no, not him. Alright, what about Tierra Whack?


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[Assistant] Oh, she's, she's dope, she's creative. That's dope, you know who she is.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you gotta stay on top of this shit, you know what I'm saying? Like, uh, Doja Cat. She's dope too, right? I go to my daughter, I go, baby, what do you think about Doja Cat? She's like, dad, I love that girl. I was like, I thought I was gonna put my daughter on to something.


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[Assistant] Are dope. They know about old school hip hop.


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[Assistant] And they're, and they're dope on top of it. Interesting. It's this whole new wave and there's a whole new wave of young people.


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[Assistant] But that shit came out like two weeks ago. That's nice. And you're like, oh shit, this, this is dope. So


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[Assistant] Uh, the Lakesiders, kids from East LA that are dope and singing all that.


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[Assistant] A lot of times the collabs, they come to us. Uhm, but I only want to work with people I already fuck with. Like, if I already support your brand or would wear that shit, I'm down with that, so.


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[Assistant] You know, uhm, I fuck with Drake. I fuck with the music. I've been to Toronto. I see how that city moves. I'm like, I fuck with all that shit.


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[Assistant] So, when it came time, I liked the way that, uh, the apparel's made. Cut and sew. You know, right quality and, uh.


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[Assistant] I fuck with her so, and I was able to do what I wanted to do, that's really important that they let me do my shit.


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[Assistant] Uhm, sometimes you do shit and it don't blow. Like I've done supreme designs 15 years ago. Really? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] I mean, yeaah, I mean, I was there though, so I was like, I put my flag down before you motherfuckers. You can still say you did it at the end of the day, yeaah. And I do holiday windows, like gold leaf the supreme store window. Oh really, wow. Like that is painstaking work. Really? And it's all done by hand, and it's done backwards, cause you gotta do it on the other side of the glass, and do it reverse.


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[Assistant] Well I have apprentices and I definitely have a team when I show up.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I bring my assistant that has gone to school, Trey Tech, where I went, I only went to one year of schooling, L.A. Trey Tech in 1988, and he went there in 2008.


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[Assistant] But he's been trained the same way, so he'll definitely help me with, you know, half the grunt work on that shit.


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[Assistant] Uh, tattoos, I do them all myself, but they help me. Get the pattern ready. Shrink this shit on Photoshop. Size it up to the customer's arm.


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[Assistant] Now they're starting to shit, they're prepping the customer's arms. They're stepping up my station. So I just really have to step in and go.


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[Assistant] No, I mean, I don't do Watkins, so I could basically, I could be anywhere.


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[Assistant] I actually moved out of downtown a couple years ago.


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[Assistant] Grew up there or leaving, you just can't afford it. You know what I'm saying? The studio I had for $3,500 a month is $25,000 a month. But I'm a member at Soho House in downtown, so there's my office in downtown.


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[Assistant] I have a meeting and do shit, you know, but I have a full blown studio.


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[Assistant] Uhm, in LA. So, but it's super private, but I'm building a showroom.


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[Assistant] In Santa Monica. So Santa Monica just lifted the ban on tattooing. They had a ban? Yea.


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[Assistant] But now the Riff Raff are ballplayers and positions. I got millions. Yeaah, uhm, so they've opened their mind, you know?


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[Assistant] There's a, a new studio that people can go take a picture in front of the goal. It's still private and shit, appointment only, but we'll do drops out of there and make shit happen.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I feel the same way. Like, out of my eyes, I feel the same age as these youngsters, you know what I mean? I look in the mirror and I'm like, oh shit, it's me, but...


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[Assistant] I feel like I'm barely scraped the foam off the latte, like this shit is so wide open. We live in a place where if you decide to make a certain type of company,


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[Assistant] You can do it. Right. You know, we went to India last year and we're like,


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[Assistant] Came back on some super grateful shit, humble shit, you know? Uh, with hard work, you could do everything and I'm just starting over in other things, like,


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[Assistant] Animation, right? I just got, uh, I did something for DJ AM's documentary. Really? And uhm.


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[Assistant] R.I.P. And I did something for that doc. And I'm working on these other projects. I can't really say right now, but I'll come back and tell you about them later.


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[Assistant] But yeah, I'm starting over again, you know, uh, in that world and, uh, doing,


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[Assistant] It always seems like we're starting over, but like tattooing and stuff like that, even though we got it down.


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[Assistant] Now you, you're making supplies, you're doing signature machines. Oh really, you do all that now too.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the product world is out of control with this stuff. Really?


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[Assistant] You know, I just did a collab with Stance, and I did my own boxers. Okay. So, it's like I've done an axe.


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[Assistant] Body wash. You did that as well, wow. Yeah, with P-Rod. So it's like...


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[Assistant] Eventually our, our shampoo, our toothbrush, boxers, everything about our life, one of us will be in the design room.


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[Assistant] With some real shitty people, if that's what you ask. Not so much the big boys, cause they can get sued, right? So, I haven't had to sue none of them, but...


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[Assistant] It's the smaller guys you gotta watch out for. It's the guy you meet.


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[Assistant] At the club or the coffee bean that's bragging, I can do this, I know this guy.


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[Assistant] A lot of times they're full of shit, and they're thieves, and they're, you know, uhm.


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[Assistant] You gotta watch out for all those. So it's on the come up. Nowadays, I'm going in.


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[Assistant] With the lawyer and the manager. You know what you're doing. Contracts are being signed. I mean, it's pretty, you know, deep nowadays, but when the 20 years I wasn't there,


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[Assistant] Uhm, I had to do a lot of the stuff on my own and got burned sometimes. Sometimes you would get stupid overpaid.


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[Assistant] And then someone else would dodge you for the money. So it all kind of works out in the end.


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[Assistant] Make a little channel for yourself where you're drawing and sketching on YouTube.


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[Assistant] Edit that shit yourself. Host it. Uh, go out there. Be at the right events. Find out, hey man, there's a video shoot over here. I'm gonna go to my friend's, uh, PA on. I'm gonna go and help out. Uhm.


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[Assistant] Hang around other artists, you know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] And start at the very bottom. Go to a tattoo shop. You got a tattoo? Go get a tattoo. You like the way the vibe of that shop? Amen. If you ever need any help.


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[Assistant] You need the fucking floor swept. I noticed your bathroom was looking a little crazy. I can help out with that shit. That's how I got my apprentices. They, they were tattoo customers or clients and they ended up saying how could I be of use?


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[Assistant] And next thing you know, they're gonna fuckin' dinner with you, so it's like...


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[Assistant] If you can at least get yourself into the position.


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[Assistant] That's how it stacks up on top of each other. It's small successes that you do on the daily


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[Assistant] That stack on top of each other that equals something big a year from now.


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[Assistant] Same thing with, with fucking up. Failing to call someone back.


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[Assistant] Failing to pay someone back your own money to. Failing to do this. All that shit stacks up and then you get hit over the head with like, failure. So I don't want to get too deep, but if you, uhm,


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[Assistant] You surround yourself by that shit, you're gonna get burned, that's for damn sure. But how you act when you get burned, usually dictates on where you're gonna go.


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[Assistant] In other words, if you go into a ball and like fuck all these motherfuckers, everyone's out to get me, I can't catch a break, everything's fucked up, you're gonna be there.


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[Assistant] And how you perceive what happens. You're not in control of people, places or things. All your control over is how you feel about it.


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[Assistant] That's the hard part, now everything's filmed. Oh shit. You got a camera on everything, everyone's got a camera phone to bust it out.


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[Assistant] I can't even go to a concert without everyone with their phone up. That part is, it's bad. Who's gonna watch those videos? You know, you're there.


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[Assistant] Are you gonna go home and watch that shit? It's just crazy.


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[Assistant] Shocking, things have, uh, really changed just from that, from 2000.


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[Assistant] 2000 was a great time man, I mean it was like, that was maybe the murder ink era, and we were just starting to put rims on cars, like that shit became like really available, available, and uh,


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[Assistant] You know, 310 Mortarine, all that type of shit, man. LA was, was good, man.


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[Assistant] So, but we still bust out low riders, you know, you'll see us on Hollywood Boulevard on a random Saturday or Friday night. The cops these days are much more chill about this. They are about low riders, really.


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[Assistant] Yeah, your family member, you know, someone that, that you like.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm gonna do this, uh, radio station with Snoop Dogg. Really? Cause I've been doing, uh, classic soul on Sundays for about 10 years. It's called Soul Sundays.


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[Assistant] And I spell it like an ice cream sundae. Nice. And uh, it's something I just started to do to kinda share uh, the soundtrack to my art.


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? The, the temperies, the stylistics, the...


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[Assistant] Dynamic superiors, the whatnots, cameo, you know, Marvin Gaye.


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[Assistant] Sam Cooke. You know, from the classics to like crazy hard to find. And uh, I just started putting it and sharing it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's just like what you're doing right here. You know, I wasn't getting at that time I'm not getting nothing for it really, you know, I still now I just do it because I love it


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[Assistant] But, uh, now through Instagram it starts to build up and build up. And if you don't miss and you're consistent,


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[Assistant] People will start to follow and trip out on it. Yeaah. But now it's gonna go to like a two hour show and uh, play funk, some blue eyed soul.


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[Assistant] Some Chicano soul, uhm, hard to find. You'd be surprised, a lot of kids don't know I'm your puppet. Or they don't know I heard it through the grapevine. Like, shit that weed is very common to us.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it is really good. I've been watching Mindhunter. I like uh, I like serial killers.


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[Assistant] I had to watch it all the way through and then re-watch it with my wife and the second time through.


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[Assistant] Back piece is generally the, you know, when I was gonna tattoo 50, uhm, he came to me to get something on his arm. Really? I said, you know what bro, no disrespect, but I just, I wanna do your back.


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[Assistant] Really? Wow, I did not know that it's so tight. Should I use it for like the campaign for example? Yeah, for the movie.


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[Assistant] Who kid did a mixtape too that was crazy with 50s back on there?


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[Assistant] Uh, his sleeves. Just the sleeves, okay. Yeah, he didn't take his back piece off. Yeah. Cause those ones he got as a kid, like as a youngster before he got money, you know?


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[Assistant] No, it's more about the keloid maybe, that the keloid was already damaged skin. Okay. And it shows more on darker skin. So, a lot of that comes with tattooing is knowing how to, how deep to go, how much to work the skin, has a lot to do with it.


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[Assistant] Well, everyone's human, right? Everyone has flesh the same like you, but if you, culturally, if you go to Japan, like say a girl in Japan, like milky, bright white skin. Right. And then one of my homeboys that's a construction Mexican kid, you know, my, you know, he's in the sun all day.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we do hear there, you know, like I did something with Vice a couple times, uhm, we'll have a lot of out of the country stuff, you know, foreign stuff.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but yeaah, we tried to hold back a little bit. I'm working on a documentary of 25 years of footage on me tattooing. Wow. And it's directed by Esteban Oreo. That's going to be huge. Are you just?


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[Assistant] We're pretty much clear on one of the big guys is gonna get it, you know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it educates a lot of people that maybe has seen this stuff or heard my name, but don't know what I look like or, you know, my name goes farther than what people, to hear my name that they see.


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[Assistant] Yeah, or they don't figure it out. They just tell me that they got an appointment and shit. I'm like, oh that's good, almost looks good.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you, uh, the mystery fact sometimes is better, uh, to be seen but not noticed. Definitely. You know, but stay in the, stay in the pocket.


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[Assistant] I've been watching this Bobby Codwell video from 1978, if anybody has YouTube up. What's up? Who's he? Uh, he's a blue-eyed, uh, soul singer. Okay. And, uh, I just trip out and go on some of those old videos. I know it's kind of a segue right there, but YouTube, you can look up all these crazy old soul videos and shit.


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[Assistant] Watch the gang of shit. I'm sorry, look at it, it seems like, like your feed came up.


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[Assistant] Oh my, and I recognize the logo in the Dame Dash interview and all that shit. So, it's crazy like.


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[Assistant] Being able to see your shit and then, uh,


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[Assistant] That's a beautiful thing right there. I'm on it, man. Shit. I watch my kids, man. You don't live through them. How old are they now?


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[Assistant] 13, 14, 15, and 25. Oh, so they're heavy in the hip-hop, huh? Yeah, like my son's like, Dad, how about Twister? Do you like Twister? I was like, Twister?


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[Assistant] I was like damn son, that's good, that's good. I go listen to Public Enemy man, listen to this, listen to uh, Schooley Dee, my son's obsessed with uh,


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[Assistant] Not breaking the common tough guy, uh, hardcore view of a rapper. These motherfuckers were talking about daisies and jimmy hats and shit. We were like, what? That shit's tight. And that's what I think Cypress Hill broke through because they had their own style.


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[Assistant] And even like the loonies putting their shit, like taking just a piece of a cypress album.


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[Assistant] Look at Snoop right now, man. You gotta get Snoop on here. That's what I'm dying to make happen.


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[Assistant] I don't know how, I mean, the blunts were, were a New York thing, you know what I'm saying? And West Coast always had zigzags.


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[Assistant] I'm not sure how that creeped over, because smoking on the, uhm, cigar paper always seemed a little bit harsh.


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[Assistant] Six eggs only. You have papers. Well, the raw's now, right? No, the raw's organic.


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[Assistant] You know, stuff is like you want to relax, but uh, it's good to be really focused.


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[Assistant] Hm. Melting down the biggest fattest nuggets of news gold to fashion you the finely crafted comedy tiara that is my monologue.


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[Assistant] Every once in a while, I like to gather up some loose beads, seashells, some old bits of Lego and macaroni, maybe some brightly colored yarn, and throw together the dollar store friendship bracelet of news that is my segment, MEANWHILE. Amazing. Never fails. Never fails. It's like it's automatic.


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[Assistant] Apparently because his affinity for tacos is well known, as he often posts Taco Tuesday on Instagram.


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[Assistant] LeBron, you know I respect you, but just because you love something and do it a lot doesn't mean you can trademark it. Otherwise, I would own the rights to the phrase, it's bourbon o'clock!


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[Assistant] Fourth Floor, P.A. Tars and Absolutions.


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[Assistant] This stalled elevator is why, in an emergency, you always take the stairway to heaven.


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[Assistant] Meanwhile, a man was arrested in Singapore's Changi Airport for buying a ticket just to wave his wife off at the gate.


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[Assistant] Now if you're unfamiliar with Changi Airport, it's famously beautiful. It has an on-site butterfly dome, a 40 meter waterfall, and one of Asia's largest indoor gardens. Hey, we have great stuff at our airports too. I will remind you that the Antanis at LaGuardia's Terminal B


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[Assistant] Sometimes. Changi Airport also has a 14,000 square meter canopy park, complete with a suspension bridge, topiary, and mazes. Just what I want at an airport.


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[Assistant] A Catholic school in Nashville, Tennessee has banned the Harry Potter series because a reverend at the school claims the books include spells, which if read by a human can conjure evil spirits.


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[Assistant] Well that's absurd. If J.K. Rowling could craft actual magic spells, she would have made The Crimes of Grindelwald a better movie. So.


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[Assistant] It's impossible to understand Bin Laden without reference to his religious beliefs. This was a guy, when he was a teenager, was praying seven times a day, fasting twice a week. On the other hand, he was also a mass murderer. What was his relationship to religion?


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[Assistant] Given how religious Bin Laden saw himself, it's not a surprise there's a lot of religious material on these drives.


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[Assistant] He would often recite verses from the Quran in his letters.


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[Assistant] Then, inevitably, Bin Laden himself speaks, preaching to his followers.


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[Assistant] This homemade propaganda was crude, but tragically, it was also effective.


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[Assistant] Bin Laden's view of his religion and violence extended to his own family. Terrorism was the family calling, and he was willing to sacrifice even those closest to him for his self-styled holy war.


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[Assistant] Galahad! See that you cordon off the entire district, and do it quietly.


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[Assistant] I must admit, you do move fast for a man of your age.


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[Assistant] This damsel would never be so callous as to do such a thing.


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[Assistant] Bedlamites, running amok. Percival thinks it could be a rebel subterfuge. Let's hope you haven't lost your edge.


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[Assistant] The last thing we need is a band of hired guns causing more havoc. I've told them to remain on lockdown.


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[Assistant] Is there a single woman in this city you won't try to seduce? Is your problem now? Do try not to lag behind.


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[Assistant] I had a feeling I'd beat you here. Remember, youth always prevails.


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[Assistant] I prefer to have someone more experienced looking out for me.


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[Assistant] Who built this fucking town? Dead ends everywhere! Quite the shortcut. Brilliant.


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[Assistant] Let's move. It's only a matter of time before the Lycans regroup and return.


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[Assistant] Well, so much for the London hospital.


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[Assistant] You know the answer to that question. But you would have to obtain Father's blessing first.


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[Assistant] And imagine me with nothing to wear. I suppose I'll have to go dress shopping.


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[Assistant] There's always the danger, of course, because this is an imperfect process. But every one of those detainees I signed off on, it was based on the best, absolute best information, intelligence and knowledge and certification that we could, we could come up with.


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[Assistant] And one of the final questions that I had to certify was, in your opinion,


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[Assistant] Uh, have you done everything to minimize the possibility that a detainee would ever again do any harm to an American or any of our allies?


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[Assistant] What did that mean in practice, in figuring that out?


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[Assistant] I always took the approach that I wanted to be damn sure.


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[Assistant] And I wanted assurance from my security people that in fact they had seen physically where these people were going to be, who was going to monitor them, how often they're monitoring.


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[Assistant] And on the other side, we say to the host countries that are going to accept them, we want these people.


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[Assistant] That means education. That means rehabilitation. Of course. I mean that's clearly in our interests. It's in the interests of the detainee.


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[Assistant] Oi! There's no weapons allowed in the establishment. You want to stay.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think so. I mean, a lot of people do stuff for Instagram likes, you know what I'm saying? And they do a lot of stuff for followers, and so the capping would definitely go down. But at the same time, people are still gonna be people. So if they wanna cap, they wanna lie, they wanna do stuff for followers, they're still gonna do it, so.


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[Assistant] Hey guys, just a quick word. YouTube has demonetized us once again, so if you want to support NoJumper and what we do over here on this YouTube channel, there are three easy ways. First off, the free options. That would be liking, commenting, subscribing, or just telling a friend.


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[Assistant] Plus it really helps keep us making content since we can rely on those donations. The podcasts don't always make so much money, but those help a lot. So I appreciate everybody for supporting. Let's get right into this content.


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[Assistant] No Jumpert, coolest podcast in the world. I'm here with Ryan Holiday, our second time doing an interview. How you doing, man?


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[Assistant] New spot. Dude, we were downtown last time. Downtown was a whole thing. A lot of roaches.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeaah, we were just having a conversation about these, uh, kendamas, because it's weird, like, I'll always recommend this kind of thing, like, you were just asking me if I compare it to BMX in my head, and I totally do, and I feel like that's a big part of why I'm such an advocate for kids getting into stuff like BMX, skateboarding, kendamas, etc., because I feel like it's a very good introduction to


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[Assistant] Having something in your life that you're in control of, that you can learn using, and then that


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[Assistant] Can sometimes be a good stepping stool.


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[Assistant] Towards progressing other parts of your life. I know for myself, I never really felt like I had...


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[Assistant] A lot of it sort of comes back to the fact that they just don't have that confidence that they can accomplish something new for themselves. And I think this is kind of just like a good entry point towards building up that, that motivation.


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[Assistant] I can give you that clear headed approach, like that feeling of accepting and knowing that you're bad at something and then being able to work past that and get good at something is, you know, that just knowing that you don't have to be what you were yesterday is something that a lot of young kids just never really get started on that progression of just building upon that idea.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. And when people say flow state, is that the same thing that you're referring to when you say stillness?


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[Assistant] It occurred to me when I started reading your book, on a flight, on my phone, which I never do. I love the physical copy of the book, which, you're still the same way? You do almost all your reading? Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause you have that, uh, thing that's always in your newsletter where you say, I always promised myself that I would never let money get in the way of reading everything I wanted to read, something along those lines.


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[Assistant] Predict a future where they wouldn't be shoplifting if they get a lot out of the book.


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[Assistant] God, I read the best quote about that the other day. They said, can you imagine


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[Assistant] If libraries didn't exist, how controversial the idea of a library would be. Totally. Imagine that if like, if Elizabeth Warren is the president in a year from now and she says, we're gonna open these buildings where you're gonna be able to read whatever book you want, it would be considered to be the most controversial concept imaginable.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think my mom being a librarian and having her come home every day.


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[Assistant] No, totally, yeah. That is weird. Like, any time you become aware that somebody doesn't read or even looks down upon reading, that's just like a huge sign that there's something about this person that you might not want to be so trustworthy.


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[Assistant] 100%. Compare reading a full-length book.


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[Assistant] That's the best excuse to read right there if you don't, like, even if you don't read any other time throughout the week, the flight is, I'm still married to that ritual.


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[Assistant] Well said. Do you, uh, do you still have the same like note card style system that I've always, uh, read, you've read about it a couple times where you sort of collect the, the best, most memorable parts of any book that you read and that's a lot of, and you can feel it when you read your books that a lot of times it feels like you're, you're coming back to lessons and stories that might have really stood out to you.


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[Assistant] Because I feel like that's one thing that I really like about the physical copies of books, like, and I was thinking about it in comparison to movies, is that if I re- if I watch a good movie,


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[Assistant] A lot of times I'll have a day or two of discussing it with people that I know.


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[Assistant] Maybe mention it on a podcast or, uh, you know, have a quick conversation about it on Twitter. For the most part, there's no real way for me to keep remembering it. But when I look at my bookshelf, it's just full of all these different memories I have of all these different books that made different impressions on me. And a lot of times, you know, I got curious about the author and I read more from that author.


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[Assistant] And that, that's a big part of why it's so important to me is to be able to look at that bookcase and just know that I have all these different things that I've already consumed. And if I were to start rereading one of them, it would instantly feel familiar.


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[Assistant] Like I can't really, like if I reread a book, I don't, it feels completely different. It's nice, but it's a completely different experience.