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[Assistant] All the updates. Make sure you go to mbsports.com slash golf for all Rex's columns, news notes, features and other assorted.


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[Assistant] Things from the Hero World Challenge. We'll be back next week for a recap of Georgia's, hopefully, presumed victory over Alabama in the SC Championship game. And yeah, we'll probably talk a little bit of Tiger Woods as well, his competitive return.


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[Assistant] At the Hero World Challenge, Willie Z, Jordan Spieth, Victor Hovland, Scotty Scheffler, among those also teeing it up this week. Alright, thank you guys for listening. We'll be back next week. Enjoy the week. Good luck cutting that up, Fred.


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[Assistant] It should and we've talked a lot about this. I mean, this was the year either to have the year of your career or or to at least make sure you crack the top 50 one way or the other simply because there's so many unknowns going into next year's schedule. It's going to be.


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[Assistant] Really, really fixated on those top 50 from this year's FedEx Cup points list. They're pretty much going to be able to write their schedule with all the designated events. And if you're outside of that bubble, you're going to need some love. You're either going to have to be inside the top 30 in the world ranking, which.


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[Assistant] Really, really high on the idea that, oh, I can get JT too. Yeah, I'm going to do that. So I don't know if it's crushing for some others.


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[Assistant] I think Adam Scott was the player I talked about last week because he likes to play a really, really specific schedule. He didn't want to play more than 15 or 16 events. And so if he can't find a way to play his way into the playoffs and suddenly crack that top 50, I think his


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[Assistant] Sort of life at least professionally changes a lot more than JT's, but it is important.


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[Assistant] Uh, it is a visual medium, and uh, I don't know how I could have printed it out better, my printer prints out in pinking for some reason. But what it is, and we can get back to the, to the regular season and the points list and everything, because that's a very important conversation. But I was taken yesterday that you did some of the best work.


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[Assistant] But you can't see it so I'm actually going to post it on Twitter just in case people want to go check it out.


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[Assistant] Uh, or, I'm sorry, post it on X. X. Yeah, I guess that's the word. Throw it up. Throw it up. X. Uh, and this is a list of, and the subject line is Memphis Itinerary. And there's no jokes, there's no smiley faces, there's no emojis, there's no gifts whatsoever. This goes straight- Ain't nothin' funny about barbecue record.


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[Assistant] Ain't nothing funny about barbecue and this goes straight to business. And I just, I don't want to, I'm not going to go through the entire list cause we can do it next week when I'm actually in Memphis at the first playoff event. But you start on Tuesday, which by the way, I am getting there Tuesday, Germantown commissary. That's fine. Combo platter with brisket. All right. So you're going to hold my hand and walk me through it. Wednesday, cozy corner.


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[Assistant] Closes at 8pm, because I think you're very cognizant of the idea that I do have a day job. That there's a reason why I'm actually in Memphis.


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[Assistant] And then barbecue cornish hen, which that one threw me, uh, rib tips, not sure what that is either, brisket and barbecue spaghetti. All of that sounds delicious. And then you keep going Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Sunday night. They would place Gus's fried chicken, which I have gone to before, which is very good.


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[Assistant] Uh, open till 10pm, which I appreciate that, because I will be working late on Sunday night. And then you did, uh, uh,


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[Assistant] O-L-I, what I call an O-L-I. You didn't know what that was. Uh, Honorable Mention, Rendezvous, I probably won't be doing that. A&R, Hotlinks, I might do that. And then Payne's, Payne's? Chopped Pork Sandwich? Yep.


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[Assistant] Oh, so you're not doing like more reps, more weight, like you're actually physically measuring your body.


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[Assistant] I don't think I'm gonna do every night, but I'll knock off more nights this time around. And again, Germantown Commissary, that one's pretty easy, that's close to the hotel, that's coming from the golf course.


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[Assistant] All of the crew that will be with us. I think Todd will be with us. Andrew will be there. So we'll all jump in on that one. I'm probably not going to hit all six, which is going to disappoint you. And you can lecture me about that next week.


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[Assistant] But uh, I'll get to most of them. I appreciate your hard work. I'm not gonna let it go for nothing.


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[Assistant] And I did Gus' last year, so yes, I'll do better this year than I did last year, because I know how disappointed you are. But to get back to what really matters, and I do find it interesting, if you look at last week and this week's tour event, and I spoke with the tournament director at the Wyndham Championship, Mark Brazel, about this, he has effectively become a de facto playoff event, because of what you end up with. This might be,


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[Assistant] We haven't seen the world rankings yet for the projections for this week, but this might be the best field he's gotten.


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[Assistant] Because of those things that we just talked about how important it is to not just make it into the playoffs, but you actually want to give yourself some sort of cushion so you can crack that top 50 because next year that's going to be a huge deciding factor.


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[Assistant] Well it's not 70, it's still 125, but the way they've structured the system.


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[Assistant] That'd be a good drinking game word, churn, as many times as we sort of regurgitated that earlier in the season. Drink up everybody! Uhm, I would say...


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[Assistant] 125 I'm still good with because I like the way I'm with you. I like the way this is playing out going into the playoffs that you have some high profile names. And I think both of us kind of predicted the idea of just looking historically.


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[Assistant] At the list, the top 70 is a whole different threshold. Like you're right, you can finish inside the top 125 and have what most players would consider a mediocre season.


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[Assistant] Finishing inside the top 70, it actually takes some work. You've got to have at least one decent run during some portion of the season. I am curious to see, like I'm post playoffs at this point. I want to see how that 125


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[Assistant] To pay attention to, that somebody with a name, someone you're familiar with, someone you've heard of will be playing for their playing privileges the next year. That to me is interesting, just like this week is interesting.


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[Assistant] It might be preoccupied right now with other things. I don't know if we're going to talk about those on this podcast. But, uh, to your point, I remember before the world changed, it seemed like in the middle of the summer that 92 was sort of the magic number. So let's say Justin finishes 92nd, which he won't, but let's say he does. That's sort of the cutoff of where they felt mathematically.


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[Assistant] So if you're 70th or 71st or you just didn't finish outside the playoffs, I think that person will still easily maintain their tour card. Like they're not going to fall outside the top 125 where it will be complicated.


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[Assistant] Is the events they get into like now of a sudden you're starting to look at the priority list which is sort of that inside baseball thing that you and I will talk about from time to time where.


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[Assistant] Some of these events are very, very important because of what they do and what they don't do. No, by all means walk in in the middle. Nope, there he is. Yeah, good seeing you. My middle son grabbing my putter. Thanks.


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[Assistant] Come on in. Uh, but no, I think that will be interesting because we're sort of seeing a microcosm of that right now. We're seeing JT play. What is this? Five weeks?


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[Assistant] And it shows you how important it is. I mean, a player of that caliber, as we just addressed, like, okay, he's having a bad season, but he's also going to be taken care of at least next year, at least in the short term. And yet he has still decided that, man, I still have to do something about it.


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[Assistant] And I think it's funny that in this goes back, I forget what year he did it where he held up his phone and he had like all of the, all of his, uh,


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[Assistant] All of his goals for the year. How many do you think those are still on there? Do you think he's completely just thrown that phone into the ocean? Like a lot of access.


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[Assistant] No, I mean, just last week at the Open Championship, I think Patrick Reed sort of talked about this, that he is probably one of the few players that would gladly play, not just a full-time live schedule, but a full-time PGA Tour schedule. He also talked about keeping his card on the DP World Tour. I mean, this guy wants to play 30, 35 events a year. I thought he wanted to be home with his family.


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[Assistant] Uh, well, we can, that's a whole different conversation. I think what I'm, uh, and probably a litigious one, so I'm gonna go ahead and steer clear of that one. Please keep me out of that. Keep my name out of your mouth on that one.


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[Assistant] I'm going to say, and I think I've said this before,


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[Assistant] I don't like my ally when it comes to Phil. Simply because I don't-


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[Assistant] I don't feel like he's going to be on the right side of history. As much as we...


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[Assistant] Try in the media to point out that, oh, a lot of the things that have happened on the PGA tour over the last two years, Phil has been pushing for this for the last five years or 10 years or whatever the case may be. And a lot of this is 100% true.


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[Assistant] My fear with Phil is he's doing it out of, he's doing it from a very, very selfish place.


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[Assistant] Uh, to his point, on this particular front, I kind of see where he's coming from, and I was reading something a colleague of ours was writing about it, and there was some confusion in that tweet, because Phil sort of went inside baseball, so he first did something called clout media, which, and I think this other colleague thought that,


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[Assistant] On not just live golf, but the players who joined live golf and of course the public investment fund. I know that just from the lawsuits that it went through very, very serious firm and you don't want to mess around with them. And some of the things that came out in discovery were very, very nasty.


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[Assistant] So what Phil is referring to here is that the PGA Tour spent a lot of money.


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[Assistant] You're Dustin Johnson. You have kept your mouth shut. You took your money. You resigned your membership. You didn't join the lawsuit. Like you tried to make this.


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[Assistant] As peaceful of a split as you could possibly come up with even if you're dustin johnson there is the looming idea of.


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[Assistant] This is what the tour did to me. They came after me with money that I helped them earn.


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[Assistant] And I've got it from the other side. I understand that the players who stayed loyal to the PGA tour and the distrust and anger they had towards the players who joined live golf and then sued them. I got that. And this goes the other way now that the PGA tour spent a lot of money to throw a lot of shade on the likes of Phil Mickelson, maybe justifiably. So again, don't like my colleague. I mean, my ally here.


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[Assistant] But maybe if you're Luke Eustason, if you're Dustin Johnson, I think there's some bad feelings there and this shows exactly how difficult this process is going to be.


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[Assistant] So one of the things that did come out in Discovery, and again, this is...


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[Assistant] This is such a slippery slope because I do not want to get a subpoena on this one. So one of the things that came out in discovery was the idea that this firm clout media, and again, it's a, it's a Washington.


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[Assistant] It's very well known for the opposition research that they did.


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[Assistant] The idea is, is that all of the 9-11 families who protested, go back to last year's live event in Portland, for example, and probably the one in New Jersey.


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[Assistant] And that, that's what this was about. Did they go out and name Phil Mickelson as a bad person or someone?


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[Assistant] Who was on the wrong side of history, whatever the case may be. No, they did it in a much more subtle way. But again, this goes back to the idea.


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[Assistant] I've gotten the same answer from a lot of live players, but it's a lot of live players of a certain age, let's say. Like if you're Phil Mickelson, why would you ever want to come back to the PGA Tour? Number one, you're clearly angry. You clearly don't like what they did to you, at least in your preceding idea.


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[Assistant] You're 50 plus years old. It's not as though you're just gonna land back on the PGA tour and suddenly everything's going to be okay and you're gonna start playing your same schedule again. And there are others in that category. Lee Westwood is probably another example of why come back. Why pay?


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[Assistant] If there's going to be some sort of penalty which you would imagine there was for those there will be for those players who come back why sit out why serve some sort of.


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[Assistant] I don't know, suspension, which is another conversation. It makes no sense. You've gotten paid. You clearly got a lot of money for joining live golf. You probably enjoy your lifestyle right now. It makes no sense to them.


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[Assistant] Now, Taylor Gooch probably has a different idea, so I don't think Phil's speaking for The Collective, but he's certainly speaking for himself.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it depends on how this plays out, and there's still so many uncertainties. You pointed out, like, it's funny, a lot of people went to the MLR and the PGA TOUR statement.


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[Assistant] Against the proposed rule on rolling back the golf ball. Of course they were. I haven't spoken with one tour player who was for that role. Maybe Rory would be the only one and even that seemed lukewarm at best. So of course.


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[Assistant] Tour's not going against the players on this one. They've got enough issues as we just addressed. So that one, that one was the easy one. Probably the two that stood out to me was one, the Jason Gore promotion. And I'll give them credit. Like that's inspired for two reasons. One, everyone likes Jason.


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[Assistant] So it's going to be kind of hard for everybody to yell at him. He's going to get yelled at as I talked to him in Scotland about like, that's just going to be kind of part of the job is to go between, between essentially the PGA tour, the commissioner and the players, which there is a tremendous amount of distrust now.


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[Assistant] The other part is, is everyone likes and trusts Jason. So that makes 100% sense. The part that I don't understand...


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[Assistant] Is that J Monahan, the commissioner seems to be inching further and further back. Both these committees.


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[Assistant] And again, the commissioner is going to be at the Winter Championship this week. There's going to be a player meeting next week. At what point does he stand back up in front of the public? And I, you know, I...


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[Assistant] I hope nothing but the best for him in the medical situation that he went through, but he has paid a lot of money to be the face and the voice of the PGA Tour and it's been an alarming amount of time since he was either one of those things.


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[Assistant] I keep repeating this. I get that. You're right. There's a lot of things going on behind the scenes and I would imagine we're going to start hearing more and more things over the next weeks and months. However, he's paid to be the meat shield.


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[Assistant] Like that's his job. I mean, Roger Goodell was paid to be the meat shield for the NFL owners.


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[Assistant] And that's why he had to stand in front of Congress and get yelled at. That's why he's got to stand in front of the players and get yelled at.


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[Assistant] And Jay Monahan has been MIA when it comes to that job. I know what you're saying.


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[Assistant] You're right. And again, Jason Gore was an inspired choice and he's probably a really, really good choice to put on both of those committees because he can see it from both sides. However, like.


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[Assistant] Jay's gotta be the guy. He's gotta be the guy that stands in front of all of the players, whether if you're first on the money list or if you're 151st on the money list because there's a lot he has to answer for.


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[Assistant] To read directly from the memo, and this stood out to me, I had to go back a couple of times, quote, we are not able to support the MLR as proposed. So that means that what the tour is probably angling to do right here.


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[Assistant] Is to have more conversations about exactly how this would impact players. Cause you're right. It creates at the very least an awkward conversation. It creates a distraction which we all know that


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[Assistant] The commissioner in the tour do not like it creates a scenario where you're having players having to make a just a dumb choice of do I really play.


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[Assistant] Just four weeks out of the year, a different ball than when I would play the other 44 weeks.


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[Assistant] And the tournaments that matter most. And again, this filters all the way down. I actually did Michael Breed's show the day this came out. And Michael has very, very clear thoughts on this. But once you start sort of drilling down to, I mean, you're a pretty good player. So you're probably going to play in a club championship.


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[Assistant] And where's the cutoff? I'm not going to play a rollback golf ball. I'm not going to do it. Like I have a hard enough time hitting the ball out of my shadow. So just not going to do it. But are you, are you going to do even with those new title of stars?


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[Assistant] Who can be crushing the four iron? I cannot tell you how much I love that thing. Um, but are you going to do it is Andrew Bradley, who's our producer and a really good player and plays in the Florida state amateur quite a bit. Is he going to have to get his hands on some rolled back golf balls and start?


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[Assistant] Testing new drivers with it and practicing with it and seeing how it feels. Like it's such.


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[Assistant] Maybe something has to be done. Nothing has to be done right now. Like where we're at. It's not where we're at. It's 2026 and we're at the game right now. It doesn't require.


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[Assistant] Well, where we're at in the game right now does not require this kind of movement.


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[Assistant] Like we can, we can look at the landscape. The thing is not happening right now. It's happening in three years.


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[Assistant] Well, but, I mean, if we decide this, you're right, it happens in three years. I don't think the game needs this kind of disruption right now.


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[Assistant] There's enough things inside the game at this level, at the highest level, to be worried about, to be, to, to cause disruption about. But you're right. It creates, I mean, it just unravels. Once you pull the one thread of, yeah, the tour's not gonna do it. Well, it sounds very simple. And again, the commissioner was doing what his players told him to, but man, it, it just...


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[Assistant] I've heard, and I'm glad you have an opinion on it, because I'm struggling with it, because I've heard really, really good arguments from both sides, from educated people on both sides, people who have spent a lot of time studying this and exactly how it would impact not just the game at the elite level, but all the way down. And the one thing that I will say that both sides seem to reach a consensus on is


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[Assistant] Let's don't let this trickle down to the amateur level. And you mentioned, and I will push back on this particular one thing you said, that the PGA championship would follow suit of the other three major championships. I don't know if that's true. Again, this is a member organization and their members, teaching professionals, club pros and the like.


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[Assistant] They're not gonna like this either for the reasons I just pointed out. So I'm not 100% sure why you think that would be the panacea that would fix everything.


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[Assistant] I do. And I think, like, on this one, you're, on this one, you're- It's so much easier. It's so much easier if it's just a


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[Assistant] Like listen, listen to what both sides have said. The one thing they don't want is to touch the amateur game. So they're trying to figure out, this is all about elite players. This has been sort of the quote unquote fixation for years now. So they don't want to touch what I do. They don't want to touch what you do.


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[Assistant] For good reason, because we're at a point in the game right now after COVID, where you're trying to maintain that growth that we all enjoyed during the pandemic. If you suddenly give a roadblock, if you give them a reason not to want to play golf, that's bad for the game. So I think everybody involved agrees we're not going to do that.


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[Assistant] I don't. You keep saying that. I don't. Like, trust me. I mean, you're not gonna


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[Assistant] The sauce was the only thing I liked, so that did not go well for anyone who was here for a lot of different reasons. We had a friend that came over.


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[Assistant] Look, this was so bad. I couldn't apologize enough. And she doesn't eat meat. She's a vegan. So she had brought like a vegetable patty.


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[Assistant] Well, uh, no, no, it's not. Like, I can't even blame it on her. Uh, cause she's so sweet. I love her to death.


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[Assistant] And like I cooked like hers was fine and I accidentally gave her the wrong one and you have no idea. Oh yeah.


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[Assistant] No, no, she was really cool about it. Bunkmate was not so cool about it. Like, she was glaring at me all night to the point that I kept asking my friend, is she still staring at me? Yep, she's still staring.


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[Assistant] Uh, yes, but I, so I felt terrible and, uh, and it, trust me, the, the,


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[Assistant] The vegetable patty was no better than the actual meat when it came to this. So last night I did steak and since we don't have a sponsor for the podcast, hashtag please give us a sponsor for the podcast.


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[Assistant] I think I've showed you this before. Oh sure. His name is David Havens and he did this like coffee rub for steak and I did, uh, we did steak last night on the uhm. Is that an expletive? On the pit barrel.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we're going to have to censor that. Yeah, we're going to have to clip that one. Anyway, it's so good. Please. Yes, please put that in post. But it's so good. I used it last night, uh, on the pit barrel and then I used the Blackstone for, uh, just like whatever I had in the refrigerator, which


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[Assistant] Uhm, well that's why I didn't use the pit barrel, cause it's not a high heat.


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[Assistant] I overcooked mine. I think that was the problem with mine. I had to kinda overcook mine to make sure that they were done and it just didn't turn out well.


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[Assistant] Into this edition of the Golf Channel Podcast with Rex and Lab. I'm still a bit emotional.


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[Assistant] But I will not let the Justin Jefferson IR News diminish my enthusiasm for this pod. Rex, you've returned at last from your European vacation.


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[Assistant] What was the state of your house and your children upon your arrival after two weeks away?


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[Assistant] It can certainly take its toll on you, not just traveling, uh, but two weeks abroad as I quickly learned when I was in a foul mood, uh, for basically the entirety of the Ryder Cup.


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[Assistant] Uh, because I'd already been away from my family at that point. It is good to hear, uh, friends of the podcast, uh, uh, ardent listeners. The podcast will of course remember last year when you were away, I believe during the open championship, there was some things that were carved into your back.


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[Assistant] Uh, long certain drawings, uh, so it relieves you here, uh, that with the Florida, uh, heat now dying down, you will not be stuck with some unfortunate drawings.


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[Assistant] In the backyard for the next four to six months. This is a little bit of a hodgepodge pod. I would call it, right? It's a lot of topics you don't want to spend too much time on them. I first want to start.


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[Assistant] With a little bit of history, I guess, with Lexi Thompson making her first start in a PGTour event this week at the Shriners Children's Open.


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[Assistant] In Las Vegas, obviously this is not historic in the sense that she's not breaking any new ground, right? Like women have played on the PGA Tour before, still just one player in history has made the cut.


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[Assistant] What do you think, Rex? Is this, is this a publicity stunt? Like what's the, what's the angle here? Why is Lexi finally teeing it up?


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[Assistant] For your first point about, you know, some players being upset about the timing and how important the fall is, you're exactly right. This is a sponsor exemption. If you're relying on a sponsor exemption at this time of year to prolong your career, you probably haven't done enough to warrant that in the first place. Rex, I'm more interested in the timing


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[Assistant] From Lexi's perspective, this has been single-handedly the worst year of her career and my immediate thought


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[Assistant] When I saw that she was going to play and she's, there's been rumblings that this has been kind of in the works over the past couple years and this is the year that they finally made it work. But my immediate thought was,


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[Assistant] Is this her last chance? And I don't mean to sound dire, but I mean, is this her last chance to kind of play against the men and see how she stacks up? She's 28 years old.


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[Assistant] She's hardly played this year, at least compared to some of her more heralded peers on the LPGA.


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[Assistant] Her status, she's not quite exempt into the season ender on the LPGA, but she's at least done enough to now keep her card. And so I'm not sure how long the runway is for Lexi Thompson at this point in her career. She's been in the spotlight for a very long time.


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[Assistant] She qualified for the US Open at what, 11 or 12 years old? Like she spent more than half of her life in the competitive spotlight. To me, she seems a little bit burned out. And so if this has kind of been rumbled and mumbled about over the past couple years, and this was the year for her to do it, uh,


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[Assistant] I don't see it. This is always one of the lowest scoring.


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[Assistant] Uh, events of the entire year. Obviously the conditions in Vegas are going to be ideal. Uh, she's a quote unquote big hitter on the LPGA, but she still averages 270. That's going to be the by far the shortest.


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[Assistant] Uh, in the field this week having to come into those greens, uh, which should be firm, uh, with mid to long irons. Uh, I just don't see, I just don't see her making enough birdies.


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[Assistant] Rex to play the weekend, but I think it does add a little bit of juice, uh, to what's been a pretty sleepy fall slate as of now.


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[Assistant] I think it's more just, there's been some, some warning signs this season, how infrequently she played, how kind of laissez-faire she was about her, her status in the season long race, like if she loses her card,


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[Assistant] She loses her card, she can use the one-time exemption to keep her status. She said she was more focused on kind of her happiness, her mental well-being and like more power to you. Like if that's what you feel like you need to do, uh, then, then more power.


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[Assistant] Uh, for Lexi, but it just seems like she's, she's winding down as opposed to ramping up. It wasn't long ago that 28 was kind of the prime of your career.


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[Assistant] On the PGA tour, the shelf life of LPGA players is obviously skewing younger, especially a player like Lexi who won on the LPGA at 15 years old, but it just seems like this was the, this was the perfect opportunity.


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[Assistant] In the future. Right, so let's pivot to the Ryder Cup.


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[Assistant] Fall out. In the seven days since we have been in Rome, we had, uh, Stefan Schoffley, uh, popping off and said, Zander, his son, uh, was,


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[Assistant] Weeks away from potentially getting kicked off the U.S. Ryder Cup team over a contract dispute in the player participation form. Uh, obviously he has been a proponent of players getting paid. Uh, we know the, uh,


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[Assistant] Patrick Cantley Hatgate situation got turned up a notch. Uh, our friend Michael Bamberger, Fire Pit Collective, uh, published a piece, uh, late last week in which he, uh, quoted Zander Schauffele saying on the first tee, quote, I'll wear a hat.


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[Assistant] When I'm paid to be here like he is, uh, referring to, uh, long time PGA of America executive and our friend, Juice Julius.


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[Assistant] Mason what is your reaction rex a week later now that the dust is settled somewhat what went on does the u.s. rider cup team have a huge problem on their hands not when it comes just patrick can't lay.


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[Assistant] Patrick Kentley's not been shy that he's maintained a friendship.


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[Assistant] With Phil Mickelson, they've obviously talked about, uh, live golf and the piff at length. To me, this does sound a little bit like.


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[Assistant] Some conversation with Phil happened, and now Patrick Cantlay, who obviously thinks for himself.


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[Assistant] But he's not afraid to take the heat just as, just as Phil did a year and a half ago.


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[Assistant] I haven't seen a full feature list, but Xander Schauffler was one of the main targets for the Netflix show for season 2. Not sure if he signed on. Given the pushback of not getting paid over it, it does seem unlikely that he would be featured in one of an episode here. You said, Rex, that you don't necessarily like Patrick Cantlay as...


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[Assistant] Uh, your ally in the situation, you thought he didn't necessarily handle it well. I would actually say that they can't like over those three days.


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[Assistant] He conducted himself just about as well as he possibly could.


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[Assistant] Either feigned ignorance or was ignorant into why the play, whether the fans were waving their hats at him. He said all the right things in public. He had to have known that the real story was going to come out eventually, but he, he really diffused the situation in the moment. And I think you saw the rest of the US team members also rallying to his defense saying this was not a divisive issue in the team room.


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[Assistant] This week. It may have been in the run-up to it. It certainly may be in the fallout afterward. At this rate, it certainly seems like you could see some changes for Bethpage in 2025. But during the actual competition, I thought Patrick Cantlay conducted himself as well as humanly possible, at least expected to.


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[Assistant] No. Would I like to get paid? Certainly. I would certainly not reject that, especially with a couple of expenses upcoming.


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[Assistant] Of this week's podcast and that of course as usual pertains to Tiger Woods. Not sure if you saw the clip, uh, but Tiger finally reappeared in public view. He was at Pebble, uh, hosting his TGR.


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[Assistant] Uh, junior, invitational, he was over, I believe that that was the hay, the par three course there, uh, spotted hitting some wedge shots in what appeared to be a camo hat, which is a new look as well as wearing the footjoy shoes. How Nike has not made Tiger Woods.


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[Assistant] Normal, uh, is, is beyond me. I'm sure you saw this clip over the weekend, Rex, while you were recovering from your jet lag. What was your take on Tiger? And as Todd Lewis, our Todd Lewis, Golf Channel's Todd Lewis, NBC Sports' Todd Lewis, then put on Twitter, uh, it would not surprise him if he teased it up in less than two months.


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[Assistant] At the Hero World Challenger 20-Man Exhibition in the Bahamas. What say you?


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[Assistant] BNC, remember? Everyone thought that that was going to be just wildly out of left field,


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[Assistant] Uh, I certainly would be surprised, just cause he's hitting wedge shots, uh, at a par three course, uh, does not lead me to believe that he is ready for tournament competition, especially in just two months time. You do have the sandy, uh, soil there in the Bahamas, which would not be great for someone coming off.


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[Assistant] A foot fusion. Sergei, I know Brandle has been.


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[Assistant] On vacation over the past week, I was hoping he was going to weigh in on this video to me, an amateur, uh, swing doctor.


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[Assistant] It looked to me like he was struggling a little bit to get off his right side. A problem, as you know, when I humped the ball at impact, I too have issues getting off of my right side. Would have loved for the brandos of the world.


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[Assistant] Uh, but I, I, I'm with you. I do think you'll play the PNC in a golf cart with his son. He can then shut it down for two or three, maybe even four months until the Masters.


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[Assistant] And get himself as ready as possible. It does seem like a lifetime ago, Rex, my God. Can you believe it's been six months since we saw Tiger Woods hit a golf shot at the Masters, like dragging his limp foot around on a just absolutely miserable day at Augusta National? That seems like an eternity ago.


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[Assistant] Well, I, obviously, I think we speak for everyone, uh, when saying that we hope Tiger Woods, uh, returns to competitive golf soon, because we could use a little bit of a drill. Here's something that you would must like, Rex. What's the latest on the PGA Tour PIF deal Bloomberg reported last week at the December 31st deadline to consummate a deal to the PGA Tour, the Public Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia?


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[Assistant] Uh, Arabia is likely being delayed, uh, in large part because the U.S. Justice Department probe that is looking into the deal. A lot of work remains, uh, as we approach that December 31st deadline, now two and a half months, uh, remaining. But I did want to mention that it was notable, at least to me, that Yasser El-Rumayan, now the governor of the PIF, played in the Dunhill Lynx Pro-Am last week's event, the DP World Tour, alongside RNA chief executive


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[Assistant] Martin Slumbers. What do you make of that? And what are you hearing on the deal?


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[Assistant] And Jared, my elbow never been the same. I believe that I have at least a partially torn rotator cuff.


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[Assistant] I tried to throw a tennis ball in the backyard, you've been in my backyard. It can't be more than.


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[Assistant] If you're familiar with the golf course, very near TBC Sawgrass.


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[Assistant] Uh, just basically giving it away, Rex. Giving it away, uh, memberships. Uh, if I want to join a club, now is going to be the time to do so. I'm 36, I can enjoy the junior membership until I turn 40.


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[Assistant] Five, next time you come up, uh, whenever we get this titleist, uh, driver fitting, we can go over.


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[Assistant] And play at the club. Still needs a lot of work. Golf course needs some work. Uh, clubhouse is currently under renovation. But I feel like we're getting into the ground floor.


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[Assistant] And then in a year, two, three years, uh, it is going to be very sick. Now that you are home for the foreseeable future, I think you're popping over to live event, uh, in a couple of weeks time in Miami. Of course we have, uh, the RSM.


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[Assistant] Classic with potential. There's been some rumblings of a pod at Southern Soul.


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[Assistant] With our friend Davis Love, the third. What do you have coming up in these next couple weeks?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, there's, yeah, there's certain cuts of meat that obviously can't fly, but I mean, yeah, you can, you can sear a steak on the Blackstone. You can cook chicken thighs on the Blackstone. You can obviously cook fish on the Blackstone. You can do pasta. You can do rice.


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[Assistant] Uh, you can do vegetables. You can do burgers. I think I'm good with pasta for a while. How about you?


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[Assistant] Yep, I haven't even thought about it yet. In fact, I made, I made my daughter, uh, some mac and cheese the other day and I just said, God, who would possibly want, who would possibly want pasta?


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[Assistant] At this, uh, in this day and age. My dad did come to visit last weekend and we fired up the grill, uh, in the Blackstone and the Yoder and the PK, uh, as I want.


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[Assistant] Uh, TikTok, which I'm not on, uh, but I've been told that this is all the rage on TikTok. It's called zero to 400 wings. So essentially you put the wings on your smoker completely cold, smoker turned off.


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[Assistant] And then you turn it on and I know you're not all that familiar with a pellet grill, but in the startup of a pellet grill, when it's pumping all the pellets into the auger and it's firing, there's tons and tons of smoke that's billowing


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[Assistant] In the startup process and so you're basically trapping all of that smoke on the wings when they're cold which is how you're going to


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[Assistant] Uh, get the most smoke flavor on your food. It's always in that, that first air, that the first period when they're cold and the smoke is that it's most intense and then obviously it cranks up.


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[Assistant] That Chris upped the skin, uh, and cooks the wings through. Did them? They were delicious. Highly recommend that method if you do have a pellet grill. Takes about 40 minutes time to get it up to that magical number of 190 on wings. Folks, if you're cooking your wings to 165, stop it. Do not do it.


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[Assistant] You need to get to 190 to get them tender to get them fall off the bones. About 20 minutes. Uh, flip 20 minutes. They are good. Uh, the skin was crispy. They were delicious. Zero to 400 wings. Look it up on your Tiki Tok.


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[Assistant] or your Snapchats of whoever else you get your content. Rex, before we sign off this episode, anything else you'd like to share with the people?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean when I'm cooking a steak, if I'm cooking really hot,


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[Assistant] I'm pulling it off at 120 because I know the carryover cooking.


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[Assistant] Rare slash raw. That's probably getting pulled at like 115.


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[Assistant] My god, is it rare? Uh, that does look delicious. Uh, I'm glad bunk is now reacclimating herself to the Eastern time zone. We were not in the future. No ma'am.


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[Assistant] We were simply six hours ahead. Alright, let's go do it for this edition of the Golf Channel Podcast with Rex and Lad. Make sure to check us out on golf today on Wednesday.


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[Assistant] Assuming they don't have something else to fill their two hours of time, Rex and I will appear with a segment to be.


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[Assistant] Determined. Also make sure you go to mbssports.com slash golf for all your latest news, notes, features, commentary and videos. We'll be back next week for report on Lexi and all the other happenings in the world of golf. We'll see you then.


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[Assistant] Hello and welcome to this edition of the Golf Channel Podcast with Rex and Lav. In this week's edition, Ricky Fowler is a PG Tour winner. Once again, we break down how he did it and if he's now here to stay. Tiger Woods breaks his silence, kind of.


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[Assistant] While live golf, officials and players continue to stress that it is full steam ahead and the best women in the world take center stage at none other than Pebble Beach. Rex, about two months ago you played some god-awful golf.


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[Assistant] Uh, at one of America's most iconic venues. What are you most looking forward to this week at the U.S. Women's Open for the first time being played at Pebble Beach?


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[Assistant] Was it 60? Oh, that's a big number. I just look at 100 yards. Uh, something, something for, uh, I, I, I played the women's teas as well. I, I found it incredibly enjoyable. I mean, it's just such a familiar golf course to a lot of fans. And that's, that's why I think it's really important what the usj is doing, bringing


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[Assistant] Uh, their oldest, their most prestigious championships, two venues that are iconic, that do represent some of America's best courses. The venues on which these players win their majors matters. And so to have it at Pebble, to have it at Oakmont, to have it at Pinehurst, uh,


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[Assistant] That are so familiar to fans. They recognize the hole. They recognize the shot value. They recognize how difficult it is to traverse that golf course. I think it's incredibly important. I'm obviously, Rex, most looking forward to seeing Rose Zang. She might be 45th in the Rolex rankings.


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[Assistant] But you could make a very strong argument that she is already a top five or top three player.


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[Assistant] In the world, she won her first start at Liberty National. Uh, she was within a shot of the lead at the women's PGA championship, ended up, ended up finishing a joint eighth there, just a couple of shots off the lead. Obviously, Jin Young Ko, uh, the world number one has established herself as the preeminent player once again in 2023, but you look at everyone else.


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[Assistant] Who's at that upper echelon? Nelly Korda has won once in the past two seasons. Lydia Ko hasn't won on the LPGA in 2023. Lilia Vu hasn't done much since her win at the Chevron Championship. Ruining Yin obviously won the Women's PGA Championship. She's been kind of hit or miss.


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[Assistant] I guess solidify what we already know, that she's a generational talent, that she's already among the best players. And every time she teased it up, she's a legitimate threat to win. And so I think on the week that Michelle Wee is bidding adieu to the U.S. Women's Open and to competitive golf, we're certainly welcoming a new star in prime time on one of America's most iconic venues.


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[Assistant] I'm not sure, I'm not sure it's a bandwagon. This is like, this is like a tiger yacht. This is, this is a carnival cruise ship. I mean, there's, there are plenty of, there are plenty of seats and they have been occupied for a very long time.


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[Assistant] Uh, of the Augusta National Women's Amateur, she kicked it away, uh, a couple of times, and this year was, uh, she actually finally, she actually finally won the title. But, like, she's literally won everything that there is to win.


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[Assistant] Uh, two NCAA championships. The Anwual, like, this is, this is not a stretch to say that she was going to be a great player. She's just doing everything that we thought was possible for her.


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[Assistant] At Pebble Beach. Uh, well the answer might be both because they're gonna be at different time slots. Uh, but I'm choosing the US Women's Open every single time. I absolutely cannot wait to see what Roseng does. She doesn't do anything extraordinarily well. She's not the longest hitter. She's not the most accurate iron player. Uh, she's not the best putter. Uh, but boy does she manage her game well.


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[Assistant] Uh, I, I honestly do think that Rose Zhang, even at the ripe age of 20, uh, she had a chance to win.


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[Assistant] The, the, the non, the non-golf competitive story of the year is what's going on with the PJ tour.


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[Assistant] Uh, and the Saudi stuff will certainly get into that, but one of the stories of the year in 2023, golf wise, competitive wise has been the resurgence of Ricky Fowler. He has been, uh, certainly trending upward, had a chance to win the U S open among myriad other chances in 2023 finally got it done in a playoff at the rocket mortgage classic over Adam Hadwin and Colin Morikawa birdie the 72nd hole in regulation. And then after a terrible tee shot.


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[Assistant] In overtime, stuffed into 12 feet and then poured in the pot. I loved the reaction. There wasn't like this guttural scream. There wasn't this enthusiastic fist pump. Like it was just like.


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[Assistant] Just a sigh of relief. What do you think this victory, the 6th of Ricky's career, first since 2019, meant to him and what do you think it means moving forward?


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[Assistant] I'm glad I sat next to you for one of those weeks. That's awesome that you're telling me now. Very good. It's fine. I didn't hawk any flum on your keyboard. He most certainly did.


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[Assistant] Uhm, sure. Think about this, Rex. 11 months ago, he was 185th in the world. He just fired John Tillery, his swing coach. He just fired Joe Scaver and his trusty caddy of more than a dozen years. Uhm, I think back to the BMW Championship.


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[Assistant] With that players only meeting when he flew up from Palm Beach with Tiger. He wasn't invited because Ricky Fowler was one of the best players in the world. He didn't even qualify.


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[Assistant] The second playoff event. He was invited there because of his fan appeal and he was important and important and he was friends with a lot of those guys in the room. I think at that moment, it was easy to think that Ricky Fowler's career


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[Assistant] He was going to play in some of these marquee events that the PJ tour was cooking up just because of sponsor exemptions or other avenues that they could create for him. But it seemed like at that point his best days of his career were behind them. I always think back to.


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[Assistant] You know, butch Harmon saying famously, you know, Ricky, do you want to be a Kardashian or do you want to be a professional golfer?


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[Assistant] And everything is kind of conspiring against Ricky at this point when you look at last fall. He was 34 years old. He had not been playing well. He was now a husband. He was now a father. He was so far removed from being an elite player. It just seemed like.


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[Assistant] He was gonna just kind of fade into the abyss at that point and he'd be fine. He has untold millions that he could fall back on. And so I think you have to give an immense amount of credit.


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[Assistant] He has always been known as golf's pretty boy and yet he has done the dirty work in becoming a great player.


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[Assistant] Once again, regardless of what the OWGR says, like Data Golf has Rickie Fowler as a sixth ranked player in the world right now. It's an arguable.


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[Assistant] The type of golf that he's playing is the best of his career. And yes, he's won a player's championship. Yes, he's top five in all four major championships in a single season. This is the best Ricky Fowler's ever played. And at this age with where we were 11 months ago, I think it's nothing short of remarkable.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it's, he's always said like the golf.


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[Assistant] There is a mute button. It's the red one. It's right there on your screen. I take that back, Rex. He didn't make a triple. He made a centuple bogey.


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[Assistant] He made a 9. I knew it was a big number. Made a 9 and shot 72 that day.


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[Assistant] Uh, which goes to show you, he is, he is always capable of making a lot of birdies. But boy, he can, he can make big ones, uh, uh, with, with the best of them. Like,


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[Assistant] The golf was the only part of Ricky Fowler's life that wasn't going well. He obviously is incredibly popular among the fans, has remained, he has remained so, uh, he's always been good with us in the media.


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[Assistant] Uhm, he has a beautiful wife, a great kid, like everything in his life is going great, except golf. That makes it a little bit easier, right? Because it's not like you're depending on golf.


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[Assistant] But it also makes it harder. This is the one thing he's defined his life over for the past 15 or 20 years and that's not going well. So I just think it's a testament to he's, I think he's a little bit grittier. I think he's a little bit tougher. Uhm, I think he's a little bit more stubborn than perhaps we gave him credit for. I think it's easy to dismiss him. Uh, Ricky Fowler.


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[Assistant] Um, to his credit, uh, his work his way all the way back. I do remember, Rex, last week for our Golf Today hit, you and I bandied about. That did not, you know what? That did not run. That did not run.


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[Assistant] Folks, here's a peek behind the curtain. We did a golf today hit that apparently did not run. Uh, asking which players on the Ryder Cup bubble needed to show up.


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[Assistant] Over these next two months. You picked, I believe, Ricky Fowler, and I picked Colin Morikawa.


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[Assistant] That performance, uh, in Detroit moved Ricky to, I believe, number 12, uh, in the rankings. Obviously the top six are going to be exempt. Colin Morikawa, uh, also, um, has moved up to number nine.


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[Assistant] I said last week, in a segment that did not air, that Ricky was a lock. I think he was 16th at the time, moved from 16th to 12th. I said, like, he's a lock. You look at the way that he's played, look at his strokes, game metrics, look at his popularity in the team room. He was a lock at that time.


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[Assistant] Are you finally changing your tune that, that yeah, he's a, he's a lock now at this point at number 12. Yeah, he's a lock now. He wasn't a lock last.


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[Assistant] Uh, as of this week, our kind of in that trouble spot are like a Cameron Young who's been slumping for the past several months. Uh, Sam Burns hasn't done a whole lot other than his victory at the match play. Justin Thomas obviously just misses third cut in his last four starts. It's hard to see him being left off the team as well.


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[Assistant] My basis of saying Ricky was a lock even though he was 16th was...


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[Assistant] A, you look at a strokes game metric, like he's, he's been a top 10 player in the world, uh, regardless of which tour he's playing on. And so that's important. And I think if you looked at just, we don't have access to this, uh, Zach Johnson and his data team would, if you look at just the amount of points accrued in the year 2023,


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[Assistant] In other words, the players who are banking the most points and are in the best form this year.


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[Assistant] When the Ryder Cup matches are going to be played, Ricky Fowler would be higher than 16.


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[Assistant] Like he's, he's basically at that position based on what happened last year as well when points were available and Rickie Fowler was playing, uh, some dreadful golf. That's no longer the case, but if you looked at the past six months on the PGA tour, the amount of points that he had earned, uh, I guarantee he would be in a better spot.


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[Assistant] Now I think it's kind of a moot point, barring some sort of injury, barring some sort of horrific slump over these next couple of months. He's going to be.


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[Assistant] He's always kind of been, uh, criticized as that player who could get you a half point.


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[Assistant] He might not get to the full point, but, but no one have matches or tied matches, I guess now is the parlance, uh, that Ricky, then Ricky Fowler.


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[Assistant] Uh, but he's, he's so easy to partner with. He makes a gazillion birdies as we've seen over these past couple of months, including at the US Open where he famously birdied 18 of the first 36 holes. Uhm, the dude, uh, is gonna be in Rome and I'm very much looking forward to it.


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[Assistant] Uhm, alright Rex, let's transition to a guy who's not hitting shots, probably won't for the remainder of 2023. That is Tiger Woods. He broke his silence on this whole PGA Tour public investment fund, uh, deal, but not in the way that you would think.


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[Assistant] He is still not actually commented on the deal. What he did comment on are


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[Assistant] Where, uh, Desert Duffer, who we've already mentioned on this podcast, found them, uh, in court.


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[Assistant] D.P. World Tour Takeover, at least potentially what they've been planning, but there was also a leaked document from this players meeting.


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[Assistant] In June 2022, Jay Monahan was supposed to be addressing the players and there was a scripted section


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[Assistant] In response, the talking points memo released this weekend. I have never seen this document until today that I did not attend the players meeting for which it was prepared at the 2022 Travelers. That's it!


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[Assistant] Nothing on the framework agreement, nothing on the future of the PGA tour, nothing on Jay Monahan, nothing on his thoughts.


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[Assistant] What should we make of this, Rex? Is this a big deal? Is this not a big deal? What are you kind of reading between the tea leaves here?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and like, it's just kind of funny to think that Tiger Woods couldn't think on his own and needed some sort of prompt or some sort of script. Like, I fully believe that this was just like a working document and it probably was not for distribution among anyone other than communications.


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[Assistant] Don't you think, I guess to a larger point, Rex, don't you think it's been a little bit odd to not hear from Tiger on this point?


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[Assistant] What would you say? The biggest name in the sport. Something. Literally just say anything.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'll go back to the press conference.


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[Assistant] I'm as surprised as anyone and look forward to seeing this shakeout. Literally just make some sort of public comment. The fact that he hasn't.


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[Assistant] After being so intimately involved with the Delaware meeting, uh, you know, obviously not as front facing as a Roy or a JT in this space, but, but still, I mean, God, when, when, when Tiger Woods speaks,


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[Assistant] He has the power to, to bend decisions to his will.


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[Assistant] Or to, to shape policy and the fact that he has not used it, uh, is, is kind of shocking to me.


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[Assistant] But what better time than now? He's a, he's a, he's a non-factor competitively. He's not playing. Yes, would it be more impactful if he was still playing actively on the PG Tour, playing 15 or 20 events? Yes, obviously, but he's still the most famous asset.


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[Assistant] I think it's also not out of the realm of possibilities that he's still doing some back channeling here.


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[Assistant] Right, like Roy McRoy is, as a member of the PGTour Policy Board, uh, is, is, has some influence, has some sway, has some power.


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[Assistant] In what the definitive agreement is going to be. Tiger Woods and Rory McIlroy are very close. You would think that Tiger has at least been in Rory's ear. Tiger Woods, if not in Jay Monahan, Tyler Dennis or Ron Price is here as well to make sure that his voice is heard on this and that he's at least comfortable.


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[Assistant] What the definitive fruit, uh, the definitive agreement will eventually look like. You don't, you don't, you do not keep out the biggest asset the PJ Tour has from these discussions, even if it's not in an official capacity. Is that fair to say?


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[Assistant] Rex, what do you think, uh, Liv Golf played another tournament last week, uh, Valderrama. Taylor Gooch became the first three-time winner of a season, beat Bryson Nishamba, who I actually thought played quite well at one of Europe's most iconic venues, one of Europe's most difficult golf courses as well. I think, uh, Bryson actually could surprise some folks.


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[Assistant] Uh, in two weeks time at the open championship, but what we heard and what was reported from, uh, our buddy Alex Maselli at Sports Illustrated is that Yasser Elremayan, governor of the PIF.


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[Assistant] Uh, sat down with, thank you very much, I know Tlou, uh, sat down with, with Bryson, uh, with Brooks, with DJ, and with Phil and basically stressed that nothing's changing and they're all systems go full steam ahead.


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[Assistant] That obviously runs counter to the PJ Tour talking points, uh, which have stressed that the PJ Tour is going to have full control, uh, according to the framework agreement.


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[Assistant] Uh, Jay Monahan, commissioner of the PJ tour, uh, will do an empirical review by the end of the year of live and can decide its future, whether it continues on as kind of this parallel asset, whether it folds or whether it's incorporated that team structure in the PJ tour schedule. What's going on here? Because those, those are wildly different.


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[Assistant] Viewpoints of what is essentially the same framework agreement


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[Assistant] No, that's like, that's like Kobe, LeBron, Brady.


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[Assistant] That's a very interesting point. It just, it seems at this point, I think you have to characterize Livegolf's future as uncertain. I wouldn't characterize it as dire, I wouldn't characterize it as encouraging, I would characterize it as uncertain.


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[Assistant] And you, you could make the case that what Yasser El-Rumayan is doing


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[Assistant] Is essentially reassuring his employees to not freak out, to not want to jump ship, uh, to kind of stay the course until more gets, gets figured out over these next four or five months.


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[Assistant] I would tend to agree with you. Hopefully we get more answers, but not optimistic that we will hopefully get more answers here in the coming weeks of what this definitive agreement will look like.


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[Assistant] The fourth of July in my top five, right? Cause you know why? For the sole reason that it is too hot.


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[Assistant] And Rex, let me show you a picture. I know this is an audio medium. Here's a picture.


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[Assistant] Why are you grilling this stuff? Is that ideal conditions?


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[Assistant] Why are you grilling in the sun? To be grilling out for your friends and family? Don't grill in the sun. Is that, is that enjoyable? Or would you rather go for Labor Day?


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[Assistant] When you can grill out, you can watch football. Or what about a, what about a Thanksgiving?


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[Assistant] Or what about on Easter? Yes, I'm doubling down. And keep in mind, these are, this is, this was a personal, a personal


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[Assistant] I, I, I no longer live in the Northeast. You live for a time in the Pacific Northwest. I'm sure it is wonderful July 4th barbecues, but for me personally,


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[Assistant] Because of the heat. Because of the humidity. Because the 128, uh, feels like temperature. No, I would not put, uh, July 4th.


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[Assistant] Barely inside my top five of barbecue holidays. I feel validated. I feel seen. Uhm, I feel like I made the, the correct call because I, I wasn't just, I wasn't just seasoning those hamburgers with, with, with salt and pepper and garlic powder. I'll season them with sweat too. Just, just pouring sweat right over the flames.


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[Assistant] Folks, newsflash, Rex Hoggard is rich, he owns a pool, and he wants you to know about


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[Assistant] Cause you, cause you got five year olds just, just defecating in there and, and urinating in there and that's, that's our pool, Rex.


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[Assistant] Uh, I had a great holiday. We were up at Reynolds-Lake Oconee as we do every single year. Played some very bad golf. Uh, we went on a boat. We went to Jurassic World, which my four-year-old absolutely loved. In Atlanta, went to a Braves game. That may have been the hottest I've ever been, right? We had fantastic seats. Shout out Brian Harris for the hookup with the seats there. We're in the sixth row. We're absolutely roasting.


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[Assistant] Uh, in the sun, uh, that was not particularly in trouble. No, we had a, we had a great holiday. I'm talking strictly about the barbecue aspect of July 4th. For me personally, living in the Southeast, no.


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[Assistant] Barely, barely cracks the top 5, if at all. We're, we're, look.


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[Assistant] I think, what did, what did Bill Belichick said? We're on to, we're on to Cincinnati, we're on to Cleveland, whatever his famous, we're on to Labor Day. We're on to Labor Day at this point.


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[Assistant] I gotta give my kids credit. There was fireworks last night at 9.05. I was in bed at 7.35.


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[Assistant] It was a big holiday weekend. Uh, embedded 735 woke up to the sound of, of basically Normandy going on right outside the door, uh, right outside the window. Uh, those kids did not wake up.


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[Assistant] Or Power Tomb, they were, they were also deep in slumber. Uh, Rex, you're leaving on Sunday for the Scottish Open Open Championship double. I will join you a week later. You have four days.


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[Assistant] Uh, to still enjoy some medium rare steaks as opposed to gray, uh, and well done. What are you going to be?


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[Assistant] Eating and firing up, uh, before you set sail for your Fortnite.


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[Assistant] Folks, he has a pool, but does not have his own vacatealer. Shout out to Danny. Thank you, Danny.


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[Assistant] I don't know. I found them. I was intrigued. I think I got those at Costco. Well, but I was, I was intrigued by them, uh, threw them in the basket. Uh, and now I'll, I'll spend the rest of the afternoon on YouTube, uh, seeing exactly.


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[Assistant] Uh, how to cook those, uh, but I'm sure they'll be delicious. Uh, and then I will join you in a week's time. So next week's podcast will be live from Scotland Renaissance club. I believe is where the Genesis Scottish open, uh, will once again be played a co-sanctioned event on the PGA tour. Always a great time. Rex is going to be staying across the street from my favorite golf course.


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[Assistant] On the planet, yes, even ahead of Paul Meadow, North Barrack, he'll be bringing his sticks. That'll be a great time. He will not have his new Titleist clubs in the bag. Uh, sad to say, uh, but I will, uh, when I bring them across the pond. So we'll be reporting live, Elise Rexwill from Scotland next week. We'll have a recap of the US Women's Open, uh, the John Deere Classic.


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[Assistant] Live London, anything else that comes up from the range.


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[Assistant] At renaissance club will bring into you next week, time difference and all.


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[Assistant] Alright, just gonna do it for this edition of the Gulf Channel Podcast with Rex and Lav. We'll be back next week. Hopefully my meds will be kicking in and I will not be coughing on this podcast any longer. Shout out to Catherine on Doctor On Demand. Shout out Danny.


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[Assistant] Hello and welcome into this edition of the Golf Channel Podcast with Rex and Lav. Folks, it's a major championship.


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[Assistant] Preview, we're taking all the favorites, all the contenders, all the pretenders.


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[Assistant] Of this week's PJ Championship at Oak Hill. Hometown event.


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[Assistant] We're talking Oh Kill, we're talking PGA of America Criteria, we're talking How to Live Golfers will Fair. This is sure to be a meaty one, although Rex has a hard out. Rex, we've got a couple hours to kill.


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[Assistant] I believe that's either the second or third poop reference that I've made on live from, that no one has caught yet. If you're not familiar with a garbage plate.


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[Assistant] It's kinda like a, like it sounds, like it's hamburger, it's hot dog, it's Italian sausage, it's mac and cheese, it's beans, all just piled onto one plate.


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[Assistant] Why would you do it? I don't know. I have no idea why the popularity. I wouldn't like...


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[Assistant] Go out of my way to recommend one for someone- like they're not- they're not delicious. Like it's not-


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[Assistant] Leafy community, uh, and, and I was born decidedly middle class. We were not, we were not familiar with garbage plates in Canada. It was only, uh, until I got older.


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[Assistant] And when I was flying out of Rochester airport, when I would dabble.


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[Assistant] In the garbage, but I gave you this advice on the air and you're flying out on Sunday morning. You're not even going to be here for the final round of what should be a thrilling PGA championship. I would not recommend.


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[Assistant] Why, why has no one said anything? Are they, are they not, are they not listening? Are they, are they not watching? Do they just look at the, the rundown and it says five minutes. They don't care. They don't care how we get there. What we're talking about as long as the, as long as we hit the checkpoints.


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[Assistant] So my, my life is still very much dominated by poop. I, I mean...


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[Assistant] I would relish the opportunity to not discuss it every night with my wife. But the conversation always devolves into, so who pooped? Who got poop on you?


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[Assistant] It's very much, uh, unknown at this point. I'm very much enjoying the home game. It's been a, it's been a great...


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[Assistant] Uh, return for me. I'm staying with my dad. He lives about 10 minutes away. Uh, you are, uh, did not join us for Dinosaur BBQ.


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[Assistant] He did treat us, he did treat five of us scribes to a delicious brisket and rib dinner. This is a busy day at Okill. This is the day they typically have most players come in through the press conference area.


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[Assistant] The headliner to me and kind of the predominant storyline at this PGA Championship is which Roy McRoy are we going to see? Was it the one who was downright buoyant?


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[Assistant] Uh, leading into the Masters, only for him to be, uh, deflated and miss the cut there. Uh, or is it going to be kind of the player we saw?


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[Assistant] Don't you think that's just a convenient excuse? I mean, if Roy McElroy was going to have a breakdown, it was going to be last summer.


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[Assistant] Right? When he's playing great golf, he's literally remaking the PJ tour on the fly.


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[Assistant] I'm not privy to what's going on behind closed doors with Roy Mackerel. I certainly have some, some theories. I think it's all related to the Masters.


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[Assistant] At Augusta National and I thought he was expansive, he was reflective, he was hopeful. On Wednesday, he said he hit it great.


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[Assistant] And he's been quoted recently and saying like I was never more sure of anything in my life that I was going to play well at the Masters and the fact that he didn't seems to have like rocked him to his core.


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[Assistant] He doesn't know what's up, he doesn't know what's down, he doesn't know what's around the bend. I think that has totally rattled him. It's his confidence, it's his psyche, it was one of those moments where, you know,


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[Assistant] It's easy to, I think if you're playing great to kind of shrug off. Like I'm looking at Max Homa right now.


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[Assistant] And he once again did not play well at the Masters. He doesn't have a top 10 in a major championship, but he said he kind of shrugged it off because he knows he's playing great golf. He knows he's one of the top 10 players in the world for the first time. And like, hey, it's just golf and it happens. I think that was such a deflating moment for Rory that he, that he, he can't just shake it off, right? Obviously the Masters means so much, but everything was trending.


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[Assistant] In the right direction, all the momentum was building that moment and for him to face plant there, I think his like,


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[Assistant] Shaken his entire foundation. I think that's the player that we see five weeks later.


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[Assistant] It's not public criticism, but it was almost a, almost a rejection from Peaches to our commissioner, Jay Monahan with this.


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[Assistant] Three million dollar penalty, right? So, so Roy left open the possibility.


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[Assistant] But hey, you know, I told him my reasons, he obviously understands how instrumental I've been to the PJ2 over the past year, the burden, the toll, uh, that I have.


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[Assistant] Uhm, put on myself to put the PJ tour in a better position for the future. Uhm, so he has those reasons and if he thinks that's justified, then yeaah, I'll probably get my money that way. And, and Jay Monahan came out and although he, uh,


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[Assistant] For how that all went down, do you think that factors into this scenario as well? You clean that up much better than last week.


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[Assistant] That's still my opinion that it was not handled as well as it could have been.


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[Assistant] It's a, it's a, it's a nightmare to explain it to the rest of the membership.


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[Assistant] Rex for this week. If you'd ask me on January 1, which major championship do you think Roy McRoy is most likely to win?


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[Assistant] I would have said the PGA Championship at Oak Hill and the, the folks here, God bless them. I used to be among them, but they are running with this storyline that this is Roy McRoy's hometown tournament. Obviously his wife Erica is from the area, uh, you know, with 15, 20 minutes away from here. He's played like 27 holes in his life.


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[Assistant] Is he, is he gonna have slightly more support? Okay. Maybe. Is there, is there more pressure for him to win at Oak Hill than at Augusta National or any other venues? Uh, no.


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[Assistant] I do not see. So I'm not saying that Roy was most likely to win because of that scenario. I'm totally dismissing that cutesy storyline. I'm saying I would have circled him on January 1 because of this golf course.


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[Assistant] It is 7500 yards. It is a par 70. You have to drive the ball on a rope. All scoring opportunities are going to come from the fairway. The greens are not.


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[Assistant] They're, they're, they've been restored.


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[Assistant] The Friday did a great job of kind of illustrating the difference between now and 2013. Like, they're different, but they're not.


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[Assistant] They're not severe, like a wing foot sense. And so.


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[Assistant] You know, you don't have to get lucky, so to speak, and so if a winning score is going to be in that 8-10, under par range, with this, what this golf course is going to demand, like, I thought Roy McRoy, uh, was going to win this tournament. I do not feel, on the eve of this championship,


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[Assistant] Nearly as confident in that, in that prediction. What do you feel about his chances?


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[Assistant] No, I'm not asking for a human interest piece in regards to me. The number of questions. I have the transcript folded up here. I mean, it had to have been eight.


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[Assistant] If not more questions directly related to Roy's affiliations of the year. Like, I'll give him credit. He didn't snap, he didn't say like, dude, I barely know this golf course, like give me a break.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, he certainly, he certainly played nice with local media. I get it. What do, I mean, what do you, what do you think? Is he gonna miss the cut? Is he gonna win? Is he gonna top 10? Top 25? Uh, that's a good one. Where we going?


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[Assistant] Uhm, I-I-I'm with ya. My expectations honestly are quite low. A player who at least has a two-way miss somewhere in the arsenal, this is not a golf course. So you're going to miss Scott? That you want to do that. No, I think he's somewhere in the...


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[Assistant] Just like a middling finish. I don't think he's...


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[Assistant] I don't think he's lost enough to miss the cut, but I don't think he's sharp enough.


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[Assistant] I think that's the best way I can put it. One player I think on the opposite end of the spectrum and who literally bounded into the press conference area within five minutes of Roy McRoy is John Rahm. And I thought you made the very astute point on live from earlier today that John


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[Assistant] In contrast to Rory has really stayed above the fray.


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[Assistant] He's not emotionally invested himself in the outcome. He hasn't picked sides. He's tried to maintain some of the friendships with the players that he had.


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[Assistant] Previously, how do you think that that has manifested itself in a player who is, who's kind of running roughshod over the rest of the competition right now?


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[Assistant] And I think it's very interesting because remember earlier in his career, like John Rahm was, was criticized for being overly emotional, a hothead. He didn't kind of have the on course comportment that you'd expect of a major championship. And I think he still maintained a lot of that fire.


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[Assistant] And that passion on the golf course, but that has never trickled into John Rahm's personal life. He has always maintained an even keel. He's always maintained a perspective. He says he tries not to be judgmental towards anyone or their decisions. And I think that puts him in stark contrast with Roy McRoy who, who tends to be


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[Assistant] Uh, kind of emotionally based in some of his decision making and thus I think when you look at his performance over what is a


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[Assistant] You know, dips in performance. Like he was asked...


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[Assistant] Uh, earlier today, like, what are some of the low points that you've had in your career?


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[Assistant] I didn't play particularly well in like 2018 or 2019, he still won on the European tour. He said he didn't play particularly well, uh, last year, uh, at least according to my expectations, like he still won three times worldwide.


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[Assistant] I think that mentality that John Rahm has carried with him throughout his career actually helps him.


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[Assistant] It helps him have an equilibrium. It helps him stay above the fray, as you said earlier today. And he just doesn't, he doesn't waste his time or energy on something that's not going to help his golf. I think is, I think is the simplest way to boil it down.


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[Assistant] Ram is staking his legacy to his, to his results. And Rory, I think, wanted to stake his legacy into, into kind of being the leader of this tumultuous time in golf. You think that's fair?


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[Assistant] John Rahm, I thoroughly expect to perform well this week at Oak Hill. I would put Scottie Scheffler in that same category. He has not finished worse than 12th. This feels like a misprint. He has not finished worse than 12th.


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[Assistant] Since last October, uhm, he's actually my pick to win, uh, this golf tournament, uh, for the completeness of his game. I think it sets up, uh, particularly well for his skill sets, specifically his scrambling. So if we're talking about this golf course,


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[Assistant] Uh, in particular, Rex, I don't know how much you've been able to be out on the golf course. Uh, you did cover the previous two major championships at Oak Hill. What feels different about this one and what can viewers expect, uh, when this, when this shows up on Thursday morning?


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's a lot of, there's been a lot of comparisons to Wingfoot that I have seen. And obviously we know who won, uh, that US Open in 2020. That was Bryson Nishimura who bombed and bashed his way to a six-shot victory that week. I don't quite see that. The rough is not that long.


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[Assistant] You can, you can advance it, like it's not gonna be hack out central, but it's so thick and it's so dense that it's hard to have control over, which, which I think is great. Like it puts a premium on, on accuracy, certainly.


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[Assistant] It's also a long golf course. I mean it's 7,500 yards. Uh, it's only two par fives playing as a par 70. Both of them are over 600 yards. You have four par fours over 500 yards. Like if you don't hit the fairway, those, those


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[Assistant] Those holes are not birdie holes necessarily. They're par fives and you're probably looking at bogeys if you missed the fairway on those very beefy


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[Assistant] Uh, par fours, like I don't think the scoring is going to be very good at all and so


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[Assistant] You know, these fairways are firming up. It's gonna be really cold in the morning. Like we're looking at possible frost lay on Thursday. Like I think it's gonna be a brute. I think it's everything you'd want in a major championship test. I think it's actually closer to like a southern hills than it would be like a wing foot.


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[Assistant] That would certainly be, uh, an incredible display of golf if someone got to double-ditch under par. Jason Duffer who won in 2013 was 10 under par. That's the lowest score to par it's ever been, uh, at Oak Hill. You mentioned, uh, Kerry Hague, Seth Wah, the CEO of the PGA. They also had a press conference today. Uh, what was your takeaway? The first one for me,


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[Assistant] Was, uh, the rollback. PJ of America was the last organization to weigh in on the proposed local rule to go into effect 2026, limiting distance at the elite level while not touching it at the recreational level.


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[Assistant] Honestly, I think the PJ of America's hands are already tied on this one. USJ and RNA obviously are going to adopt it. Uh, Fred Ridley, chairman of the master tournament said that he was, quote, supportive of it. PJ really doesn't have much of a choice but to fall in line. He did say, uh, Seth Wah, the CEO,


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[Assistant] of the PGA said that he liked the fact that the recreational game would not be touched.


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[Assistant] He said we're finally getting people involved in the game like we've been trying to do over the past couple of decades, so he's glad that it's not going to limit distance for them.


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[Assistant] I think he struggles with, I think what a lot of people struggle with is the idea of bifurcation, right? Two sets of rules for professionals and amateurs. Some charm.


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[Assistant] In, in being able to play technically the same equipment as Roy McRoy, play the same T and see how you stack up, uh, that will be lost potentially with this rule. So that was kind of my takeaway. What was, what was yours from what the PJ officials said today?


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[Assistant] You didn't touch on the storyline that I thought you were going to, which is the fact.


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[Assistant] It's, it's certainly a gray area, isn't it, Rex? Because we're, we're gonna get to a point where right now there's five live players that's on the top 50. Uh, the OWGR decision isn't expected for a couple of months. We don't even know which way, uh, they're potentially going to side with that application. And so I think it's reasonable to say by the time next year's PGA championship rolls around, maybe you have one.


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[Assistant] We're two live players, and so the PGA of America, when Kerry Hague sits down and pours over the research and meets with the committee to finalize who they're going to recommend for these special invitations to the PGA Championship, we're going to have to make some hard decisions and weigh players who are not competing in like tournaments. That, that potentially opens the PGA of America up to criticism.


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[Assistant] When you're, when you're, you don't have guidelines that are, that are specific enough. It's always been kind of a murky area. Who's gonna qualify? Who's not gonna qualify? Who's gonna be exempt? Who's not going to be exempt? I just wish they would go and say,


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[Assistant] We will, we will make sure that the best players from this tour, the ones who are playing the best are going to be there and just have some sort of


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[Assistant] Category for, if you can do it for the asian, austral asian tour, if you can do it for the japan tour, if you can do it for the sunshine tour, if you can do it for the


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[Assistant] International Tour of Federations, whatever it's called. Like, you can do it for live. They're just, you're just not getting to that point yet.


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[Assistant] Seth Waugh has been consistent. I remember, back to Kiwa.


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[Assistant] Are good enough and in good enough form to, to qualify for, uh, his PJ championship. Uh, but I think that's another, that's another topic for another day.


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[Assistant] J Monahan, Keith Pelley recused themselves from that position because they were, they were invested in it. They were.


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[Assistant] You know, they, they're basically a stakeholder of what this could potentially become. So it is a little bit of a dicey area. As it relates to live golf, 17 guys in the field after Martin Comber withdrew, uh, they finished three of the top six at the Masters tournament.


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[Assistant] How do you think the fair are this week and who will perform the best?


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[Assistant] I mean, Oak Hill should be right up the alley of Brooks Kapka and Dustin Johnson last week's winner on live. There's no doubt about that. Taylor Goose level of play that he's shown.


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[Assistant] Uh, over the past couple of months, uh, is indicative of a player who's ready to take the next leap in a major championship. Overall, I don't think they're going to fare quite as well. And I think that's just a numbers game, right? There's 90 some odd players at the Masters this year. Uh, you had 18 live players. This is 17 live players with 156 and feel like the numbers are not in their favor. And I just think.


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[Assistant] The caliber of tests that they're going to face will weed out some of those guys. Like this is not Abe Answers Golf Course.


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[Assistant] Uh, who will contend this week, but I do think that they will contend. It would not surprise me at all if Brooks Kepka picks up his third PGA Championship, uh, and his fifth major championship overall. I've said that my pick to win is Scottie Scheffler. Uh, I don't know if he's a sleeper.


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[Assistant] Anymore, uh, because I believe he's still one of the top 10 players in the world. Uh, I think, I think Tony Finau.


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[Assistant] Uh, is Taylor made for this type of golf course? Long, uh, he's a great driver of the golf ball. He's, he has the temperament. You mentioned like a US Open style test, like he has the temperament.


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[Assistant] Uh, to play well, uh, on that sort of examination. Look at his U.S. Open record. It's actually the best among the major championships that he has played in his career. So he was a player that I would certainly keep an eye on. Cameron Young kind of fits that mold as well. What do you think and pick to win in a couple, maybe a couple other guys, uh, who you, who you think could pop up?


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[Assistant] Uh, Terrell Hatton has certainly been trending over the past couple of weeks with relish this sort.


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[Assistant] Of tests as well. How about last year's US Open champion? Matt Fitzpatrick. There's zero reason.


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[Assistant] Why with his added length, he cannot play well, especially if it becomes a scrambling contest, uh, if the wind picks up or everyone's missing fairways and trying to get up and down. Those are a couple of players that were top of mind, uh, for me as well. Rox, I know you need to get out of there. We need to prepare for evening live from just to put a fine point.


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[Assistant] I did. Golf channel podcast with Rex on that. We'll be doing mini pods after each and every tournament round beginning of course on Thursday. Rex will be doing, uh, a live show with us.


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[Assistant] Sunday night, late Sunday night, after the conclusion of the PGA Championship, of course he will not be here. Uh, so let's, fingers crossed, we'll have the most epic major championship ever. I want Rory, Rom, Scottie, Xander Cantlay, Duel. Top 5 players in the world. Phil, just Phil, Bryson, oh my god, the world will just melt down. Just kicking myself on the plane, screaming at the guy sitting next to me.


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[Assistant] And I'm just sitting there. I've got a plethora of storylines, uh, to choose from. So make sure you guys check out live from, make sure you check out golfchannel.com for the rest of the week. We will talk to you guys on Thursday, but will hopefully be a great opening round of this PJ championship at Oak Hill.


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[Assistant] I don't think it spells doom. I think you missed an opportunity though with the, with the draft that we talked about. Isn't it rex and lav mock draft 2, uh, 1.0? Aren't we gonna go with that?


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[Assistant] You know what, I brought this up to a friend of mine who's a very well known orthopedic surgeon up in Georgia and I kind of just asked him point blank, like, what does this mean for Tiger? The right ankle, as you pointed out, it's not the lead ankle, there's some things that go into that as far as,


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[Assistant] This way is still functional the way. What he can't do is, is turn it from right to left or he kind of explained it as pronate his ankle. And the example that he gave me, and this was a great example, he sent me a picture of Jordan Speed.


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[Assistant] When Jordan swings, and if you watch at the end of his swing, his ankles are all over the place. It looks like he's almost on skates.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and Scotty Scheffler is kind of the same way we sort of talked about that Scheffler shuffle before. He won't be able to do that, which makes it difficult. And it's the recovery period, as you pointed out, is probably.


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[Assistant] In the short term, the bigger issue, you're right. I think it's major season. His season is over pretty much because I can't imagine how he's going to be able to come back from. It is a pretty significant surgery. The bigger question that you asked and I did ask him point blank. Does this mean?


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[Assistant] The end of his career because we keep bouncing this around every time he goes back under the knife that we're gonna sit there and wonder if we've seen him play for the last time. He didn't think so. He said of all the things he's been through.


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[Assistant] Over the last few years, that this is significant. It's surgery anytime that you have to go through something like this.


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[Assistant] Certainly I don't want to see him play like that. We want to see Tiger Woods something close to what we see. He's still making the cut, which is like amazing. It's amazing. It's still making the cut. You look at what he did last year at the Masters when I don't think many people outside of his inner circle thought that he had a chance of making it 72 holes around that golf course. But I'll take it a step further. And it's interesting because this doesn't happen in other sports. You see athletes break down.