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[Assistant] It reminded me of a conversation that we had with Ian Book, the Notre Dame quarterback, early this season. All kinds of experience, three year starter. We asked him way early in the season, what's your number one goal this year? And he surprised me, he said,


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[Assistant] I want to hear the play call from offensive coordinator Tommy Reese. And as soon as I hear it, I want to know exactly why he called it. I want that thought with every play. And they, he said that they achieved that late in the season, but it's not just an NFL thing. It's a college thing that when you get that play caller quarterback


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[Assistant] offensively here with the damn okay. Gotta give a shout out to Sivan Akhman. The Dolphins beat the Patriots 22 to 12. They outrushed him 250 to 117, which would always be good. But this, this, this was a team that had the worst yards per attempt in the NFL before.


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[Assistant] One more point about Sivan Ahmed. He heard this from Mike Florio last night on FNIA. Said his grandmother's sick in the hospital, promised he'd get her 100 yards and give her the game ball. So pretty cool he came through on that.


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[Assistant] I mean, nine and five Patriots out of the playoffs. One more damn okay. We go to Baltimore and you're focusing on the defense.


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[Assistant] Isn't he just, like, wearing it too? Wearing the record? Wearing his stats? Like, you look at Buffalo's record, oh that's awfully good. You look at his numbers, oh that's good.


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[Assistant] He is, he, he carries himself that way. He does. He has that kind of feel. He's got the aura right.


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[Assistant] And thinking about that, gotta be honest, so I'm calling the Notre Dame game on, on Saturday. And this game has happened the same time. Right. Denver and Buffalo's going on. Right. Every chance where there was like a little break, let's pause 10 seconds, or station identification. If, if Buffalo's offense is on the field, I was, I was looking up to watch Josh Allen.


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[Assistant] For as many seconds as I could. And Joe Theismann was beating me to the punch every time. Joe was watching every time he knew.


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[Assistant] That Josh was on the field playing and Notre Dame wasn't going on. Right.


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[Assistant] Both of us were like watching. Well, cause he knows talent. He's got this, I wonder what this guy might do. Exactly.


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[Assistant] Beasley, a career-high 950 yards, 931 from the slot leads the NFL.


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[Assistant] Wait, 2002? 2002. They had a pair of 1,000 yard receivers with Drew Bledsoe.


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[Assistant] Peerless Price. Pete's even more surprised than I am that you got that. Man, up yours, Pete. Pete's yelling louder than his kids in the background. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pete, I was...


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[Assistant] Had a bunch of good years. Is this the kid from Wisconsin? It's not Leon's. No, okay.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I know. Yeah. So he was, how much older? Eric Moles was how much older than Chris? Yeah. Three years before you. Or three years before Peerless?


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[Assistant] In a long time, there's no doubt about that. That was a good session for Buffalo receivers here and now. And once again, I'm gonna say it one time. Pete, you ready?


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[Assistant] They're up 24 to 7, halfway through the third. Right. Buccaneers come back and win 31-27. I know you spent a lot of time watching this this morning. Um, Brady's come back there, second half.


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[Assistant] That is so difficult to do. Not only to throw it that far in the line, but to drop it in there. I know. You have zero margin for error. Zero room for error.


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[Assistant] Post route, the up and over the top. The Scotty Miller one. That was perfect. Right. We always talked about Brady, even at this age, being such a good deep ball thrower. His range of how he delivered those deep balls in the last two weeks. The classic post route last week.


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[Assistant] And then this non-traditional drive down field, I think two really good examples of how gifted he is at the deep ball, getting it there in different ways.


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[Assistant] change them. I mean, they they weren't playing very well. They've won two games and around out at night and five looking good for the postseason. Okay, self scout thyself.


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[Assistant] This is unfortunate for Lions cornerback Alex Myers. Titans beat the Lions 46-25, but that, that highlight of the low light where Derek Henry just threw him, I mean, wrong place, wrong time.


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[Assistant] He's on the screen right there. It's like, read the screen, man. Oh, duh. At Houston, they allow 150 rushing yards per game. Wow. Yes. I wonder if he's contractually incentivized, like 2,000 yards.


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[Assistant] Rams lose. Rams lose to the Jets. Yes. Okay. I haven't said anybody's lost to the Jets all season. 23-20. Jets come up with their first win, so.


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[Assistant] Let's stay positive with them to start here. Sam Darnold going home to Southern California getting a win and Jets defense not bad again.


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[Assistant] He's not. He's had a run here recently that definitely speaks to that. I mean, it's not like one or two games. No, it's a number of games. They've had a lot of average pedestrian games.


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[Assistant] I want to get it back to Sam Darnold in the sense that this, this win that they earned, uh, and let's throw up another Steve Kornacki full screen here who was with us again last night in the studio. So now the Jets, they had firm control of that number one pick. Now they're back to 32% likelihood of getting the first pick because Jacksonville.


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[Assistant] The players that will be there too. They're not sure if they're gonna be there either. All they're gonna do is go out and play. Right. That is so not a thing. Tanking. It's not a thing. Maybe another league.


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[Assistant] But this draft isn't like last year, where after Joe Burrow goes off, they're like, oh, Herbert and Tua are there. Right. After Trevor Lawrence, is there another one that you think is awesome?


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's a lot in the next three or four months. Definitely. Seahawks defense also make the list. They beat the Washington football team 20 to 15. What a turnaround. I mean, I don't know how many weeks ago, six, seven, eight weeks ago, we're begging the Seahawks defense just to be average.


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[Assistant] Pete and I have a little addition here to this as well. All the Washington fans who ripped you for ranking Haskins number 39 in the top 40.


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[Assistant] Moving on to Gimme the Headlines, presented by Hyundai. Again, read only one time, if you're keeping track at home. Man, you're on fire today. Cowboys beat the Niners 41-33.


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[Assistant] Read that, look at that. I'm looking down like it's goodbye in all caps. I'm Paul Vermeister. In all caps. All caps. There was no question mark at the end of this. I did not include that. Before we go. Yeah. Monday night. Pittsburgh, Cincinnati. What do you think? Drubbing. I mean, but will be.


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[Assistant] Chris talks about everything, therefore I haven't been able to talk to him in a couple of years.


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[Assistant] Hi, I'm Mike Tirico and thanks for watching. Make sure to hit subscribe for the latest news and highlights from NBC Sports.


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[Assistant] Oh baby, yup, you might be going, what the hell was that opening? And what, who, 50 years old? Well...


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[Assistant] Happy birthday big guy. We were trying to try to play like we didn't remember your birthday and other producer, less smart.


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[Assistant] That's horrific. I mean, what I really love about this picture right here, and I'm sorry if you're not watching on YouTube, you're not gonna get to see Paul Burmeister in his days at Iowa at 6-2-2-14. But I really love the popping of the neck. Yeaah. You know, you got the whole, I'm Paul Burmeister, I'm a meathead.


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[Assistant] I bet, I bet. I do feel the lack of recovery thing. You know, whether I party too hard, go to sleep too late and haven't partied. And then the other thing I feel is like working out.


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[Assistant] I got Big Phil for me in that. That's right. He always reminds me of like,


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[Assistant] Don't, you don't have to go too heavy. Yeah. Cause I've seen him, he's Johnny Squat Rack. Yeah. And he's gotten three back surgeries. And it's like, well, you, you're still squatting like you're playing in the NFL at 50 years old. So no wonder. Yeah. Yeah. But we're going to have Big Phil today. Yes. And just again, happy birthday, man.


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[Assistant] Uh, I mean, that was one of the shocker of the day yesterday as far as guys that, you know, there was a few that got tagged where I went, ooh, I didn't think that would happen. Cam Robinson, the Jacksonville Jaguars. Uh, but it makes sense, I get it. Kenny Gala Day was one I just looked at and went,


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[Assistant] You know, I know they got, Hockinson is a good tight end. You know, the wide receiving corps though, in general, with Marvin Jones being a free agent, it's not real impressive there in Detroit.


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[Assistant] Is there something there that they look at that they think there's a problem down the road? I don't know that. I'm just speculating as somebody that follows the sport, but I am shocked because he can really do it all at the position. Yeah, deep, deep threat, 50, 50 jump balls.


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[Assistant] You know, good route runner, runs over the middle. He really is what you want. So, uh, yeaah, that's surprising. Especially if they bring Jared Goffin. I thought they'd want him to just support.


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[Assistant] To me, it just speaks more than anything. I think that the lions are in a total tear down rebuild, I think, kind of. That's what I kind of look at it.


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[Assistant] I know, I know, but I think they're just looking at it like, listen, we don't like anything the last regime did in here. Right. You know, hey, we might like Kenny Galladay, but holy crap, we got holes to fill all over the place here.


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[Assistant] And with their coaching staff, right, Dan Campbell and you got Anthony Lynn as the offensive coordinator. The other thing I just do look at is that they're going to be a run first football team. It's going to be smash mound football, you know, boots, play actions, things like that. Maybe they let Galaday test the market and see where it's at and get back in this thing. But I was a little surprised.


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[Assistant] I mean, he would be the guy I'd look at at the wide receiver position out of all the free agents. I mean, I think he's the guy I look at, you know, as far as being able to break the bank. Yes, he is the guy. He is, you know, to me he's in that range of


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[Assistant] You know, is he a top 5 talent? No, I don't look at it that way. Maybe top 10? But yes, he certainly may be top 10. There's no doubt about that. Like we've always said, there's 20 top 10 receivers in that conversation. Like legitimately, I'm not even trying to be funny.


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[Assistant] But I would think between his big playability and everything like that.


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[Assistant] When you really look at the list out there and hit some of the names, I think he is the crown jewel.


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[Assistant] of, uh, free agency this year at Wide Receiver. You know, you got the Corey Davises of the world, certainly, that are out there. Uh, Juju Smith Schuster's gonna be up there and command money, but I, you know, again, the one thing I'll say, as compared to Juju or Corey Davis or, hey, an aging T.Y. Hilton or A.J. Green,


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[Assistant] Golliday is the one guy I look at to just go, no, no, clear cut number one receiver in the NFL and a guy you can base your offense around. Other guys, hey, are still number ones, yes, but they're older in age. Juju, I don't think, is a clear number one.


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[Assistant] I think he's a high level 2. Corey Davis, I kind of look at it the same way. He's kind of a 1B, maybe a number 2 just in that range. So yea, Galaday is the one I look at to get paid big time.


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[Assistant] You know, like when we're talking like, right, like value signings, okay?


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[Assistant] Under the radar, guys you might not know about or aren't gonna get mainstream. Alright, the first guy I'm gonna tell you that I'm in love with in the wide receiving group this year. And listen, I still think T.Y. Hilton's got mileage. I like Corey Davis.


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[Assistant] You've probably heard me say this before, I'm a huge Curtis Samuel fan. I'm a huge Curtis Samuel fan. This day and age in the NFL, when you talk about the speed sweeps, big playability,


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[Assistant] You know, can take it over the top for an 80 yard touchdown. Can get a speed sweeper reversed and turn the corner for a 70 yard touchdown. That to me is special. Those are some of the real elite skills with Curtis Samuel.


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[Assistant] He has a true explosion. So he's a guy that I look at that, yeaah, he's not in the mainstream names of the superstar receivers, but has some superstar qualities that I like. And then the other guy that I'll just say is, you know, under the radar.


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[Assistant] Then this is really like where I would go, ooh, that's a good signing. Like this guy's not a star, but...


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[Assistant] Man, he's a good solid number two, or if you have a really good two, two receivers already, you'd go, wow, that's an awesome third to get. I'm a big fan of Richard Higgins, out of Cleveland. I just think he has it all.


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[Assistant] You know, there's a, there's size, there's route running, you know, there's ability to just be physical and go up and get balls and do things like that. So he would be my like under the radar.


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[Assistant] Chris Simms Robin Hood guy, that's who I would take as far as nobody else is talking about or looking at.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, T.Y. Hilton, I mean, I think about him and I think of the Green Bay Packers, right?


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[Assistant] You know, a team where I'd love to see another weapon and I don't think he's gonna command huge dollars. Yea, you'll probably have to, I don't know, 10, 12 million, maybe somewhere in there. You think that much at this point? Probably, maybe 9. It's gonna depend on how many teams get in on them. But it really, for a solid


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[Assistant] You know, really good number too. That's about what you're going to pay now. I mean, you're, I know it's the numbers we got to remember just to keep going up the salary cap. And I know it's a little less this year at all of that, but that is a team that would


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[Assistant] That's where I look at that. I mean, of course, you know, I'm, I'm, I like Aaron Rodgers. I'd like him to get a little help there. But yes, that makes a lot of sense when you talk about, you know, that team, the need, things like that. Of course, there's, you know, some teams out there that have tremendous amounts of money to throw out there too.


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[Assistant] You know, would, would the Raiders, would they get involved in that? You know, a lot of people think Juju Smith Schuster and they want Nelson Aguilar. I don't know. I know he'd still fit there too. Like a guy like T.Y. Hilden, you know, the thing, you have veteran.


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[Assistant] Uh, not an extensive injury history. I know it's a little banged up, but still has enough juice to beat you deep and is still a really top-end route runner. So yeah, that'll be interesting. He's one of those guys that kind of watch and see where this goes.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think Sammy Watkins, I mean it's, I think it's gonna be a rude awakening for him in free agency. Like he would be one of those guys where it's like, you know, I know Pete put some phrases on here like fool's gold or something like that. He'd be the one that


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[Assistant] Everyone's gonna get real excited about, well we got Sammy Watkins, right? And I'd go, whoa, okay, yea, you might get six games in two years out of them. That to me would be, you know, Will Fuller the same thing. Will Fuller, a guy from the Houston Texans.


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[Assistant] You know, all right, P-E-D-U's constant injury. You're gonna look at the stats and some of the plays and go, I like this kid, I do that. But to me, that's a real, real risky signing. He's pretty limited. Yes, that would scare me.


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[Assistant] You know, they paid him last year. It's still being able to play. But I look at Emmanuel Sanders now and I don't, I think we're at the point of this career.


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[Assistant] You know, one, it's been a long career. You know, from what I know, it's a little bit of like, hey, we gotta manage the body so he can play. He's 34. That's what I mean. And that's, it's a little bit like, hey, we can't really practice them all week. We gotta just let them play on Sunday. It's one of those guys. And,


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[Assistant] You know, he's being paid number two receiver money and I don't think he's a number two anymore. He'd be a, oh, he's a great number three. Oh, our number two got hurt. Okay, we can use him as our number two guy for a few weeks here while that guy gets healthy or something like that.


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[Assistant] You know, I mean, hey, I do love Corey Davis. It's a little bit of a, this last year was the first year of real, like,


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[Assistant] I still think there's ability there. Listen, I was wrong. I put him in the top 10 receivers last year. I know that. Things got quiet in a hurry for him. I was wrong. It got quiet in a hurry. And last year there were some drop balls and it just didn't really click with Joe Burrow. And then Burrow got hurt. But he's one of those guys I think if you go to the right spot you could see a little resurgence of his career.


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[Assistant] But the guy, like I told you, I love Juju, I understand, we know, I don't want to talk about him too much. The guy I'm really excited about is Curtis Samuel.


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[Assistant] To me, when I look at him and I just go, man.


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[Assistant] Jets. Yeaah. Right. Jets. You wanna run the Shanahan system?


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[Assistant] Alright, who's gonna be your Deebo Samuel? Oh, Curtis Samuel. Oh, fake toss, toss it to him around, going the other way. Tyree Kill? Yeah, exactly. He can be that guy, right? He's exactly, he's a weapon. He's more than, you can put him at tailback and let him run toss sweep. So I look at the Jets, and again, I'll throw the Packers out there with Curtis Samuel, and then of course, Washington. Washington,


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[Assistant] They only got Terry McLaurin, so he's the one I look at that could be, everyone's gonna go, what? We paid Curtis Samuel this much money? And I'm gonna be the one to go, yes, he's worth that much money.


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[Assistant] He's truly, you know, a game breaker that way.


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[Assistant] He's a second round pick. But 4-3 out of Ohio State. From Brooklyn here, uh, New York. A guy I've known about a long time. And yeaah, he was dangerous at Ohio State. He really was. So, yep, that's it for Receiver.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I thought there would be a chance that they would franchise him. Try to ride him out one more year.


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[Assistant] It would make me think one year, maybe.


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[Assistant] With Rogers and all those type of things. That's what makes it an interesting conversation. You know, the Packers themselves, they got some work to do. You know, as far as getting, you know, getting over the salary cap too. They're in a little bit of a tough spot there altogether. So, yeaah, I thought there might be a chance. I did.


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[Assistant] I was a little surprised, but I understand it too from this standpoint.


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[Assistant] You know, when you look at running backs and you get into average salaries per year and all those. Hey, listen, this, this to me, this guy is not a top five running back in the NFL. That's the, that's the first thing I'm going to say right off the bat.


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[Assistant] That's what they're saying? That, that to me is where I just, if it was 8.7 I would have said yes. I don't understand why not.


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[Assistant] You know, there's not a lot of game breakers on that offense. Right. You know, he was the one guy where, ooh, there's a crack or ooh, there's a screen pass and he could take it up 70 yards up the sideline. You know, other than Valdez scaling, there's really nobody that scares you that way. So I am surprised by that. You know, I don't know what their logic is in that, you know,


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[Assistant] Are the negatives about Aaron Jones? Is he always gonna get tough yards and when there's not a lot there to be had, is he gonna plow it up in there and get you five? No, he's not. And I, you know, to me, I'm just, I'm putting myself in their shoes a little bit.


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[Assistant] They're probably looking at it too going, well damn, he gets to run against a lot of good looks and we got a great offensive line and everybody's worried about stopping Rodgers in the pass game. So it's the perfect environment for him to succeed that way too. So that's where I at least toss it out. But he is the, the big guy out there. I just don't know


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[Assistant] What's he worth out there? That's what I mean. To me, he's not like in the Joe Mixon, Derrick Henry, Dalvin Cook, Alvin Kamara, Christian McCaffrey conversation. Those are guys that are all 12 million and north per year.


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[Assistant] You know, then take it all the way, but I'd have a hard time throwing out 12 million per year for a guy like Aaron Jones.


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[Assistant] leading the way. I mean, that has been out there. They need something like that. You know, as far as a legit game breaking, running back, good in the pass game, do those types of things. I mean, especially if they have two at quarterback, I think they're going to have to play a certain way to make that work as well. The 49ers of the team, I continue


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[Assistant] I, I'd go, they would, I'm sure they would love Aaron Jones. I mean, he's their kind of guy. Shanahan's going to go, nobody can create holes better than me. And this guy, if you give him a hole, he can, he's got a rocket up his ass and he can go with it. And then the other team that I'll, you know, I think really these top


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[Assistant] San Francisco's second. San Francisco, that's what I mean. It's realistic with Shanahan. But then, you know, we hit Green Bay. Arizona was a team I wrote down for him as well.


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[Assistant] That does make sense. I mean, again, it's a wide open field. It's Kyler Murray. And you gotta worry about him in space. He's a space running back. That's what he is. And lastly, the New York Jets. That would be the other one I'd look at. The Jets have a ton of money.


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[Assistant] And you're running the Shanahan running system. So he's gonna know the terminology cause Mike LaFleur, Matt LaFleur, he's gonna have similarities there, you know.


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[Assistant] They got a lot of money. I mean, if I'm, remember here, they're third in salary cap, they got 72 million dollars in space right now, right? They're second, they're all basically at 72 million. The Jaguars, the Patriots.


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[Assistant] I look at the Jets and go, we've mentioned two guys already where I just go, Curtis Samuel and Aaron Jones. I would go, ooh, and we get hit with Zach Wilson. Whoa, watch out. We could have, we could be explosive. That would be a cool combination, but I could certainly see any of those teams that we just saw there, that top five, uh, for Aaron Jones.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I think Marlon Mack is the guy you gotta look at a little bit there. You know, he was injured last year, but he's still talented running back who can do it all, can run with a little power, and I'm not gonna say he's a game breaker.


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[Assistant] He's still got big playability where he can rip off 30 and 40 yard runs. So I'm gonna throw him out there as one guy that I think there's gonna be a little bit more demand for him than maybe people realize. You know, and then I look at Chris Carson, Leonard Fornette,


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[Assistant] You know, Kenyon Drake, who I'm not as high on maybe as, you know, the rest of the world is, but I really look at Chris Carson and Leonard Fornette.


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[Assistant] To be guys to watch out for. I still think there's mileage on Leonard Fournette's tires. You know, Chris Carson, it's a physical brand of football. I don't, you know, I don't know if he's going to be the same guy four years from now, but for the next two years.


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[Assistant] And when I look at those guys too, and I just go, Hey, Pittsburgh Steelers, you want some attitude at running back? Yeah. You want to get back into like Smash Mouth and, you know, helping Big Ben with the running game?


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[Assistant] To me, those are two guys that will assert their attitude on the football team. The old line will be like, well, this guy, he'll kill people if we just give him a hole, he'll run through a wall. And, and that, that's a match that I look at that can be very sexy and cool.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, I was a huge, Pete, I'll tell you, before the start of the year, when Jaguars released them. I mean, I took a lot of crap on social media, cause I was like, Hornet's still got something. He's not a guy you just like say, hell, it's over.


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[Assistant] He's, he's got some starting caliber traits. You know, I think the end of the year will give him a boost. The fact that he didn't get crushed into the ground last year and didn't play a lot of snaps, I think that helps him out. You know, he is. He's, he's intriguing.


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[Assistant] I think Carson, yeaah, maybe is a little bit more reliable and dependable to me at this point. Uhm, but, but I'm, I am a fan of, of Leonard Fornette.


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[Assistant] Yes, I would think. Yes, I would think so. They probably are also looking at it though going.


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[Assistant] We drafted our first round running back two years ago. We gotta start playing Rashad Penny. We gotta, what the, what, you know, and I know he's been hurt. Ronald Jones? Uh, no, Rashad Penny, the kid they got from San Diego State like two drafts ago, or it was probably three drafts. San Diego State.


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[Assistant] No, they got Ronald Jones and there's no way, no. I don't think that Fournette's gonna go back there, especially if he's commanding like, you know, or he wants, you know, a pretty little penny. They got enough things they gotta go, and Ronald Jones is in the prime of his career, explosive, you know, he's a true guy, so sorry, I thought you were talking about Seattle and Chris Carson and my dad.


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[Assistant] No, I don't think, I don't expect Fournette to be back with them. You know, Chris Carson of the Steelers, Fournette of the Steelers, you know, Aaron Jones to the teams we mentioned. You know, we talked about Marlon Mack, one team that I look at and go, wait, wait, wait, the Atlanta Falcons, they got nothing in running back. They've got Arthur Smith.


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[Assistant] Right? Who's, who's gonna base their offense around the run game, and I'm sure they'll draft somebody, but that's where I look at like Marlon Mack to, where I go, oh Marlon Mack, you know, to the, to the Atlanta Falcons, that, that makes sense to me. They need something there to,


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[Assistant] So Arthur Smith can run his play action pass and, you know, uh, and, uh, uh, Matt Ryan can, can make some plays off of that. The other one I'm just interested in general is before we move on. You know, I, I want to see what


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[Assistant] Where are the Broncos gonna tender Phillip Lindsay at? That is one I'm just a little intrigued by. Because he's a restricted free agent.


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[Assistant] You know, they'd better high-tender them. I would think they'd have to.


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[Assistant] He'd be one of those guys where I just think when people turn on film, they're going to go, holy shit. Like these are some unbelievable runs. He's unbelievable in the pass game. He's explosive as hell. Uh, and I, you know, I don't know what they do there, but he's one of those restricted free agents. I kind of got my eye on too. Side ends, not a lot of


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[Assistant] Yeah, and what did I, I thought, did I say both of them I thought maybe would be franchised? Yeah, I did.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, you know, Jonu is more talented to me.


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[Assistant] And here's where I'd probably drop the ball there is just that they got good tight ends there.


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[Assistant] You know, they're probably looking at trying to re-sign a Corey Davis. So they got a lot of defensive issues in general. So I can understand why


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[Assistant] Okay, we cut ties with Jonah Smith. It makes sense. It does. You know, with the Hunter Henry thing, if you remember that, I just thought, hey, you got a guy from the Saints as your new offensive coordinator. They love the tight end and what he can do in the pass game and all of that.


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[Assistant] And, and not that they're super talented at tight end, they have a need there, but


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[Assistant] We got Mike Williams, who I think Mike Williams is a phenomenal football player. He's going to be coming up soon. They're probably looking at, hey, we got to pay him and do that. We got to fix the offensive line. There's a lot of issues in that unit. Uh, so that's probably where he fell by the wayside. So yeah, I would say.


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[Assistant] Uh, surprise, but the more you think about it, the logic, I understand what both of those teams did. What do you think the next step is for Gronk? Gronk, I would be shocked if it's not Tampa Bay.


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[Assistant] And then, to me the only other places are gonna be, I just kinda look at like,


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[Assistant] Does he want to go down to Miami with Brian Flores? His old tight end coach, George Gotze, is there?


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[Assistant] You know, as one of the quarterback co-offensive coordinator guys, that'd be the only team I could see maybe that happens. Brady's got his building his house in Miami. He'll go, Oh, well live by Brady the rest of my life and just move down there and get it going. I mean, that's the only one that kind of jumps back to me, but I expect it to be back in Tampa.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, Jared Cook, you know, is getting up there in age, uh, still a solid player, not a superstar. Jared, Jared, Gerald Everett.


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[Assistant] Does have some real talent. There's no doubt about that. And I think those, like, Gerald Everett could be one of those guys where signs for a little bit more money on the free agent market than people might realize.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's some good ones, you know, you know, you got Joe Thune out there, you got Trent Williams, you know, Corey Linsley, Alex Mack, those kind of players.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't know if the 49ers can figure out how to sign him or not. Trent Williams, you know, he, Chris Sims All-Pro team, he's the best. I, if you made me one, one guy.


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[Assistant] I'm taking Trent Williams at left tackle and all the football right now. There's just no weakness. He's great in the run game. He's awesome at pass protection. So he's worth how much then you think? I mean, if Laramie Tunzel's making 22 million a year, he's right there with it. He's a better run blocker than Laramie Tunzel for sure. Pass blocking? It's close. Tunzel's a pretty gifted pass blocker.


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[Assistant] You know, the run blocking to me is what makes him greater. And the pass blocking, okay, maybe he's a hair less or it's right there. You know, year two after a year off, I bet you it's not a hair less. I bet you his pass blocking is going to be as good as anybody in football.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't think they're, they just, I think they got some things they gotta figure out. And, you know,


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[Assistant] Trent Williams basically forced his way to San Francisco this year.


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[Assistant] I would think Kyle Shanahan, the Shanahan family drafted him in Washington. I would think they probably still have the inside track.


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[Assistant] And he'll favor us a little bit as long as we can make it close or something like that. That would be my two cents. I have no inside information. Listen, for everybody out there that thinks I know, like, like, my relationship with Kyle would be over if I was saying these things and he had told me. We're not friends anymore. So I don't know these things. We don't talk about this shit.


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[Assistant] And we don't talk a whole lot this time of the year anyways because he doesn't want to say something to me that I might blurt out accidentally and all that. But Trent Williams is the guy I look at. And then after that is Corey Lindsley. Corey Lindsley is the other guy where


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[Assistant] You know, it's just, he's, he's the best center in football and, you know, it, it, there's a notch, I think, between him and the rest right now.


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[Assistant] Because of that, don't you think that the Packers probably still think there's a chance to keep them? I would think, but you know, they do have a pretty damn good old line. How much money can you spend on that old line? You're gonna have the highest paid left tackle in football and the highest paid center in football? That's where you start to look at it and go, okay, and do they want to sign a receiver and get back Aaron Jones?


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[Assistant] You know, how many things can they possibly do there? So that's probably why I don't expect to see Corey Lindsley back there. They're one of those teams that you just, they got an eye for offense alignment.


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[Assistant] So, they probably got either somebody coming up the ranks or they're just confident in their ability to draft somebody to get that done and fill that spot.


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[Assistant] I know, I know, he's been in a few places. I think the first guy there, like, Williams, Daryl Williams is the guy, like, you know, Robin Hood, where people are gonna go, what? We gave this kind of money to this guy?


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[Assistant] He's got all the attributes of a special right tackle. He played really good football last year. I think people are gonna turn on that film and his size and his athleticism, the length of his arms. He's gonna be the guy, I think, that surprises people when they go,


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[Assistant] Wait, I don't know much about this guy. You know, he went from Carolina to Buffalo and, you know, how good is he in all of that? I think he's pretty damn legit. He's the one I'd look at to go, like, that's the Robin Hood, you know, just, you know, we take from the rich and give to the poor. Nobody knows about him. I'd say watch out him from him. The one I would be careful about is the other guy you talked about.


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[Assistant] You know, I like Russell Okung, but Alejandro Villanueva would scare me at this point of his career. The play is slipping to me. You know, he's not very good in the run game.


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[Assistant] In the past game, it's good, but it's not great. I don't sit there and go, oh man, this is the same guy where you watched five years ago game. The game hasn't really, you know, slipped by him or anything. So that would be 33 this fall. Yeah, that would, that would scare me. You know, there's just too many plays where he's a really tall guy.


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[Assistant] And his inability to anchor into the ground, I think is what bothers me at times. He can get pushed back into the quarterback and he can't get low pads to dig people out in the running game. And I think that's what bothers me. One other name I'll throw before, or go ahead, did you want to ask one more thing there?


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[Assistant] In that category, I don't think so. You know, I don't look, look at it that, you know, Rick Wagner to me is, you know,


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[Assistant] A low end starting right tackle. He's like that guy where you go, oh, we, we, you know, we can't find the right guy. Hey, Rick's out there. Okay, let's, let's sign him. We'll give him some decent money and he can, he can hold it down for the year or something like that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the guy that I'll say, you know, Alex Mack still has value. That's another guy I'll just throw out there to go, Alex Mack, when he's healthy, he's still, you know, can kick some ass. Uhm, so, and at this point of his career, he's already made money. We'll see where that goes.


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[Assistant] No, he's not better than Lindsley. Lindsley is clearly the best center in football. No, no doubt for me. Uhm, you know, and then the guy we haven't hit on is Joe Thune, right? That's the one guy out there, and you know, Pete gave me some questions and things like, you know, just like, what's the best fit for a guy like Joe Thune or some of these offensive linemen?


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[Assistant] Get some interior offensive line help. I mean, maybe you, if you're the bangles, you signed Darrell Williams at right tackle and Joe Thune. Let's start protecting. What's the point of paying Joe Mixon if you can't ever open up a hole for him? So yes, that would be one I'd look at. And they really need the interior line help and right tackle help to where that would make sense. That's offense.


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[Assistant] You are, that's right. You do come free, yeaah. In fact, you come, you come, you're a nice father, so you actually come...


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[Assistant] Hey dad, just so you probably didn't know this, but this guy sitting here to the right of me is 50 years old today.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was too much, too much. And dad, I think your point's spot on. Like, have one unit on your team that's complete to fall on. Don't have a little like, you know, oh, we got a little issue here on both sides of the ball and then we can never really depend on one side to do something late in the game to get us through, to get the wind or do that.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, no doubt. And listen, just to the bangles thing, cause Pete, you know, he gets in my ear, he goes, hey they have drafted some offensive linemen in the first round.


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[Assistant] You know, Jordan, Jonah Williams, I get that. I, I know. I'm not, I'm not trying to, but, but still with what they've got, they've put a very little resource, you know, resources in to the other three positions, positions on there too. Right. And it's an underwhelming group.


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[Assistant] You know what, listen. Jonah Williams was hurt that first year. So last year was his first guy, first year of getting back in the swing of things. And you know, to dad's point, if you're not that quarterback in that running back, you know, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta have a complete all line in front of you.


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[Assistant] Well, and then, you know, I'll say this, when dad got done watching Zach Wilson, cause you know, it's a pet peeve of ours, that right there. It's always that.


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[Assistant] And I, you know, again, it was Zach Wilson with the BYU, the talent or whatever. Okay, well the other guys, the other guys are, I mean, they're throwing to people that are more open on a consistent basis than Zach Wilson is. They know there's, there's,


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[Assistant] More room for error. Oh damn, I missed that guy for six yards. So what? In the next play, my other freak will be open and I'll hit him or I'll give a draw play to the running back and he'll rip off 30 yards. So there is no pressure on them that way too. People don't realize that.


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[Assistant] And then, I'll just say this dad, I hope you don't mind me saying this, but dad, when he got done watching Zach Wilson, he goes,


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[Assistant] It wasn't. He goes, they're not better than Coastal Carolina. And that's what I've tried to argue with a few people on radio too. You know, just because you know BYU and you don't know Coastal Carolina doesn't mean they're better than them. You know, it does not.


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[Assistant] Uh, and it didn't, like, it wasn't, I watched BYU games. Yea, there's a few games on there against, you know, the East-West, South-West, North Carolina, South-West, Louisiana teams where you go, yea, they're better, great.


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[Assistant] You know, the rest of the teams on there, I wasn't going, well, they're just outclassing this team. It's not even close. And that's not, it's not a fair assessment of the situation in my opinion.


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[Assistant] No doubt about it. You know, it's something we talked about a little on the phone, a little lot. The thing you love about Trevor Lawrence too, as much as his ecology offense and okay, yeah, there's some guys screaming free wide open a lot.


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[Assistant] It's a lot of outside the numbers. I don't care that he's open. This is still a pretty damn big time throw. And not every guy in the NFL can just hit these like as consistently as he can. And that's what he can bring to the table, you know?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I agree. I think people put, exactly, people put too much stock into...


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[Assistant] Freshman sophomore year and all that. I'm not even, I can speak from my own experience, my father can tell you. I wasn't the same human my freshman year at Texas as compared to my junior year. Right. But not even the same human.


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[Assistant] Well, I, yeah, I know, but it just, people put too much stock into that, too, at times. It is about last year, okay, you wanna look at a few things from the year before that, that's cool, let's move on.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Zach Wilson's gonna be the guy, it's gonna be like riding a bike. There's too many throws on the film where I just go, holy f***ing shit, what a throw on the run to the right or the left or whatever. Like, Dad's right, he's not a machine yet. But, you know, I know we talked about it, there's a few throws on there where I go, well, there's only a few guys on the NFL that can do that right there.


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[Assistant] He fits that offense and what, you know, okay, they're, they got, you know, some, some quality parts of their football team. To me, he's the insurance that dad's talking about. Those would be two teams that would jump out to me right off the bat. Yeah, go ahead.


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[Assistant] No doubt. Revive your career, maybe then you get a chance to be a starter again and go that way. There's no doubt about it. I mean, dad, the James Winston, I mean, I'm with dad too with the James Winston conversation. You know, to me, if there's no obvious, okay, there's a place to start.


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[Assistant] Then I'm going back to be the backup at the New Orleans Saints. And yeaah, maybe Sean Payton's gonna let them compete against Taysom Hill or anything like that. But, you know, again, to me, that's still the perfect place to be the backup.


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[Assistant] You know, one, you got Sean Payton, two, Taysom Hill. He's, he's, he's gonna get hurt. I mean, I don't, you know, I don't, I'm not wishing that or saying that. But the way he plays. He's, he's gonna take car crashes a few times every game. And we saw him get hurt this year a little bit. So that to me.


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[Assistant] Do you think, alright, just cause Cam, like I expect if Cam's gonna start anywhere, I mean I'm with you guys, it's gonna be the Patriots, right? And, you know, I, I, I don't, we'll see what the Patriots do there.


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[Assistant] I'm just throwing this out there. Cause I just go, what teams would realistically maybe give Cam Newton a shot, right?


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[Assistant] And the one team that I will look at, alright, and we don't know how this plays out yet.


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[Assistant] I just think Pete Carroll would go, well, I'll play with this big sucker at quarterback and we'll control the clock and you know, I'm expecting him to be more the thrower I saw two years ago and we'll play my, we'll play Pete Carroll football.


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[Assistant] To me that would be the team that would go, that would kind of embrace the attitude of Cam, what he can bring and all of that. So that's just my dark horse. If like Russell Wilson gets traded and they can't get fair compensation back or get a quarterback back in that trade, I would, I would look at Cam to be a guy that could maybe work up in Seattle.


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[Assistant] I mean, listen, I'm not giving up on Cam. I don't think Dad is either. That was a really weird year last year. Let's not...


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[Assistant] He's got some issues. He's always dealt with that issue, but he always has been able to get it back on track. And dad and I, we talk about his motion a lot, so we really got it down. I mean, what he does.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's no doubt about it. Uhm, let's see, anything else? Anybody else?


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[Assistant] Well, you know, go ahead, give me your Big Ben thoughts. I don't think we've even talked about this personally really, but you know, we haven't had you on in so long. Go ahead, what was your thought there with Pittsburgh and what you thought about Big Ben and them re-signing him and everything?


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[Assistant] Where I went, the ACL injury might actually help Pittsburgh to resign him.


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[Assistant] Because Tim's might be a little scared to throw out huge money and all that. And he might just go, you know what? I'll go back to where, you know, I know I'm comfortable and I can have success one more year and maybe, you know, strike it rich after that, whatever. I mean, I could see a one year.


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[Assistant] Kind of, here's the good money, but not the money you really wanted, but you got a chance to come back here, and they got T.J. Watt on the other side, nobody can double team you a whole lot, and then you got a chance to, I could see that being a possibility.


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[Assistant] Chris Carson's a free agent. Leonard Bournette's out there. Like those are the kind of guys I'd want to get in there right now. Maybe you draft a guy to go along with it, but to assert that attitude you're talking about on the offense again, to go like, we're coming downhill with sledgehammers. We're going to play through our defense. And like we've always said, and I think dad, you've heard me say this. Well, why wouldn't they want to just look at


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[Assistant] Oh, there's no doubt. There's no doubt. It's just all day long. It is all day long. And he's, he's the worst at, and, and, and, you know, this is nothing, he, like, he'll want to sit there, and he's probably got two quarterbacks in the draft. He wants to watch today. Yeah. But.


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[Assistant] You know, a high school coach will call. Yeaah. You know, oh, this quarterback called. Oh, I was talking to this coach in the NFL, and he'll, you know, I'll end up talking to him at 8.30 at night. You know, Christopher, I was going to watch this guy, this guy today, and damn, the day just slipped by, and I went, well yeaah, you can't shut your damn mouth. That's the problem.


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[Assistant] You know, they, they, they work with a lot of the top quarterbacks in North Jersey.


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[Assistant] Uh, even in the New York and Long Island and some of that.


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[Assistant] That's alright. Pete has an understanding of the time. Yes. We want people to still listen to the podcast and not be bored for two hours. Okay. So let's do it. Go ahead. Let's hit it.


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[Assistant] You know, that to me was the shocker of the day. You know, that to me said two things, right? With the Shaq Barrett not being franchised. First off, the Bucks getting the deal done with Levante David.


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[Assistant] Good for them there, you know, before he hit free agency. That's what always helps when you, you know, you got a good team. The guy's been here for a while. He doesn't want to uproot his family. I'd be shocked to think that somebody else out there wouldn't have gave him a little bit more money. But he's made good money. I mean, we know that too. Uhm, but with the shock bearer thing, it's two things to me.


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[Assistant] Either one, they feel confident that they can sign him to the long term deal still. And they go, well we're gonna figure this out here soon and he wants to be here and all that. Or two,


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[Assistant] Which is what I think, and you know, Florio made this comment today, and I kind of forgot about it. Barrett said it's, he wants to break the bank and free agency. And just between that comment,


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[Assistant] You know, his stock's never going to be higher right now. To me, that's what I think most realistically is happening. And they went, whoa, Shaq wants a lot of money. Let's just, let's, let's get Chris Godwin and make sure we keep him. And we could work that out. Or if we got to do a one year franchise thing with Godwin, they can handle it.


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[Assistant] But to me it speaks more to Shaq Barrett's got the word out there that he can get huge money and Tampa's not willing to give him that.


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[Assistant] You know, he is truly one of the best edge defenders in football. And it's not all about Saxon Bud Dupree either. It's not all about that. You know, again, like the Leonard Floyds of the world and some of those guys, even Khalil Mack.


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[Assistant] You know, they can handle offensive tackles and double teams.


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[Assistant] Dominate tight ends in the run game. They're the guy you want there. So of course I'd want to see him go out there, get big money. I just don't know what the status of that knee is, what he hurt his knee in what, Week 10 maybe, somewhere around there. I can't imagine it's going to be 100% by the start of training camp or early on in the year.


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[Assistant] To where, you know, in my heart of hearts I want to go, go back to Pittsburgh.


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[Assistant] They know what you're about. You're not gonna feel the pressure of


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[Assistant] I gotta prove to my new team I'm good in training camp and everything and get out there and play.


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[Assistant] And the other thing is, is like, like we talked about. They got other guys on the front too to wear.


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[Assistant] You know, it's a position to succeed, like Jameis Winston in New Orleans. That should matter. Right, that should matter to where, okay, yep, I didn't get the deal I want, I'll come back here one more year.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna have a kick-ass year, show everybody I'm healthy, people know my potential and all that.


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[Assistant] And hopefully I can put some stats with it and then he can go into the next year and hit big free agent money. So maybe, maybe it's a good one year chunk type of deal. Maybe it's a two year deal that's really a one year deal that he's got an option in the second year, something like that. But you know, my heart to heart, I guess that's what I want to see him. I want to see him go back to Pittsburgh.


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[Assistant] No doubt. And he, let's just say this, he fits any team. He could play 4-3 defense end or 3-4 outside linebacker. It doesn't matter. You put him in the Patriots and they want him to play outside linebacker, he could do that. You want him to go to the Jets and go, hey, we want you just to be a down, 3 down lineman coming off the edge.


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[Assistant] Right, yeah. Clowning would be right off the bat the one where you'd go, there's just too much injury history there. Be freakin' careful, alright? I mean, and I think that's an obvious one. I don't think I'm breaking any news there, that one. The other two, to me, are...


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[Assistant] You see a team fall in this trap every year.


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[Assistant] The Hassan Reddick and Trey Hendrickson would be the two guys I'd go...


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[Assistant] Hey everybody out there, don't just watch this year and just go, oh this year it was good, and look at the quality of the sacks, how did he actually get the sacks, those type of things, that would be the ones I'd go be buyer beware.


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[Assistant] You know, because, you know, those are the kind of guy that, you know, people will be able to sell. Like, look, we signed him. He had all these sacks this year. And, you know, I just don't think they're...


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[Assistant] True difference makers. They're good players, don't get me wrong, but I think this is more of a, what, uh, these past years is more of an aberration. Is that my sign? Aberration. Aberration, excuse me. Rather than the, the real them.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm a huge Leonard Floyd fan. That to me is a no miss signing. You know, he got a little bit of part of the...


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[Assistant] You know, not get the total money he want or it's a short, short-term deal or anything like that. But man, Leonard Floyd is the guy I look at to go. Like the Tennessee Titans. You want...


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[Assistant] You need edge? You want a Jadeveon Clowney? Well, this is Jadeveon Clowney right now. This is the guy. Leonard Floyd's Jadeveon Clowney now. Oh, you want to stand him up in middle sock, linebacker, let him robe around?


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[Assistant] And then run through the A-gap, put him on the edge, you know, put his hand down, drop him into coverage. Floyd can do all that. Like that's where I look at him with like the Tennessee Titans, uh, something like that. That can make sense. Let's kick it inside.


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[Assistant] Well, I think the guy I look at, right? I mean, there's Sheldon Rankin's in New Orleans, who's Flash, but I mean, it's two Achilles' tears that would scare me.


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[Assistant] You know, Larry Ogunjobi from the Cleveland Browns is a real solid football player. He has flashes too. We know Suze out there. I think the guy I look at though that could end up, you know, signing for more money or having, is Dalvin Tomlinson. You know, to me again,


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[Assistant] And if you try to run it on us, okay, it gives you more versatility is what I'm saying, to have that size. But like a true run stuffer,


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[Assistant] And what he can do in that aspect, nose tackle, to eat up double teams, just absolutely clog running lanes and everything like that, I think Tomlinson's really damn good. I would think there's gonna be some play for him out there.


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[Assistant] Yes, I do. You know, it's gonna be, again, I got a guy who's, it's the price. You know, and it's, it's...


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[Assistant] It's how much are they willing to allocate to that D live? You know, yea, there's Golston there, who's a good player. JPP's making pretty good money.


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[Assistant] I would think they want to pay Vita Vea at some point soon. Vita Vea is a superstar if he could just stay healthy. And then we have the Devin White thing coming down the pipe too at some point here in the next two years too. So that's where they got to balance that. And if Sue doesn't price himself out, I do expect him back. He's still a real good football player.


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[Assistant] Uh, it's a close one, but I would say for where he is in his career, I would say, yeah, he's worth a hair more. I do. Milano is really awesome. He is everywhere. He is phenomenal football player. I mean, he is an upper echelon, upper echelon type


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[Assistant] Middle linebacker. Right. Right. And to me, I look at him as going, yeah, that's, that's the guy in free agency. That's kind of the crown jewel out of your stand up middle linebackers and just, you know, two teams that jump out to me right off the bat with huge needs and money, right?


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[Assistant] It goes back to Cleveland. Again, Cleveland, they wanna make that defense work. They gotta get somebody in there like that. So that makes sense. He fits that scheme. It's not that far off from what he did with McDermott and Buffalo and everything like that.


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[Assistant] And then the other one is the Philadelphia Eagles. The Eagles stink at linebacker. Like, they got some money to spend. That to me would make sense too. And...


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[Assistant] They're gonna run that same defense too. The Colts, the Browns, it's all that Seattle schemish type thing. So those are two that money needed the position. I could see that, that happening. KJ Wright was good for a long time in Seattle. What's he still have left? Still, he's still got value. I mean, he's one of those guys. I mean, it really is amazing where


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[Assistant] I thought it was gonna fall off and it just hasn't, you know, it's not the same as it was four or five years ago, but it's still really good. Like to me, I look at that and go like,


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[Assistant] And then here comes New England, and hey, we'll take this guy for two years, and he could play outside linebacker, he could play middle linebacker. He's that kind of guy. So yeaah, he jumps out, and here's one other one, that I'm a fan of, and when he's healthy, he sticks out to me.


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[Assistant] Is Jared Davis of the Detroit Lions. It's not a huge household name, but I think he's one of those guys where he could get signed to a team, not huge money.


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[Assistant] But next year we're going, man, Jared Davis was some hell of a free agent signing and all that. More of an inside or outside guy? Yeaah, more of an inside. And he can do either one. He could be a 3-4 inside or 4-3. I mean, he's got some thumping ability and he can really run too. So I'm a fan of Jared Davis. Cornerbacks. Yeaah. Big group. I know you like this group. Yeaah. As well.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, William Jackson. William Jackson to me is the guy that's gonna surprise everybody and you're gonna go, whoa, they're paying him that? He is an island corner. He is a guy, if you watch the Bengals,


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[Assistant] They match him up with the best receivers in football. And you know, there's gonna be plays out there where they go, whoa, he got beat. Of course. Well, no shit. He's covering a guy that's on a 50, 100 yard field that's, you know, 52 and a third yards wide. And they're just going, cover the greatest athlete on the planet.


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[Assistant] I mean, that's not that easy. You're gonna get burned sometimes that way. But I think he is an elite corner. I mean, as Pete will tell you, I've been a guy that's, uh, been a big fan of his, you know, ever since he came out of, what's he, Houston, right? I think he's Houston.


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[Assistant] Whoa, oh, bigger play day than maybe his play deserves. Well, it's hard not to look at that and think of like Richard Sherman or Patrick Peterson. I think those are the two I look at to where there's a lot of name value there. And I'm not, again, I'm not trying to sit here and tell you, they can still play.


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[Assistant] Those are probably guys that are, at least I'm gonna look at and go, man, I wouldn't have paid him that much money at this point of his career. Somebody will. Yes, and I think those two jump out to me maybe as far as that conversation is concerned more than others.


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[Assistant] But I'll say this, here's the guy that I look at to go,


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[Assistant] People, this is my Robin Hood, where people are gonna go, wait, we're gonna pay this guy this much money? Really? And that's Brian Poole of the Jets. He's the guy that I look out of all the free agents. And listen, I like Kevin King.


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[Assistant] You know, I think Ronald Darby still got a little left in him. Quentin Dunbar, Mackenzie Alexander, sure. I think AJ Bouye still has some value out there as a pure cover corner.


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[Assistant] There's a lot, there's no doubt, but I look at Poole from the Jets as being a guy that is gonna command a little bit more of a market maybe than, you know, the average fan realizes.


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[Assistant] Uh, it, it's, yeaah, people were gonna look at that, that last game, because what happens too with free agency is you, you, a lot of times you look at, oh wait, is it free agent corner? Oh, let's watch the teams that had really good receivers and see how we did that. And you're gonna turn on the Bucks game and you're gonna go, what the hell?


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[Assistant] Uhm, but I still think there's a market for him. There's no doubt. He's a Seattle skiing type guy to me.


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[Assistant] Because he's really long, and he can run, so you want to play that three deep, oh, jam me at the line of scrimmage, and you're never going to really get deep behind me. Uhm, now, you know, the, the AFC, the NFC championship game was, was stupid. I don't know what the hell he was thinking. But William Jackson is the guy I look


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[Assistant] To break the bank and for these reasons, you know, the teams that need corners got a lot of money.


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[Assistant] And that's where, I mean, the Bengals of course, they still got money, so maybe they want to pay them. You know, the New York Jets, have we talked about, they got stupid money, so they can, they can go, oh, we'll pay you a little bit more than everybody else. I still think the Indianapolis Colts need something. The Colts, to me, that's their one issue.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't think they're a great man to man football team when they need to be. Uhm, Washington.


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[Assistant] Uh, the Washington football team, they got money, you know, and that, that front four, you get a corner like that. And the Carolina Panthers, there's another team that I'll throw out there that have true needs, got money, and I can see them, you know, maybe spending it on a guy like William Jackson.


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[Assistant] I just think that, you know, in my heart of hearts they're going, wait, we're kinda still paying for Jared Goff, we just got Matt Stafford, we got the highest paid defensive player in football in Aaron Donald, and we got the highest paid corner in the history of football in Jalen Ramsey. And they just can't. And they're pretty good at evaluating.


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[Assistant] DB's in the draft, you know, there are, so they probably go, okay, we're just gonna have to make it happen that way, and maybe a value signing and free agency or something like that, but yeaah.


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[Assistant] I, I, you know, again, I think Johnson's one of those guys that's, you know, fringe top five, top five safeties in football. I'm not going to say he's top five, but here, I'm going to just bring this up just while we're sitting here and talking about this, just so I can give a little bit more perspective here. But like, you know, alright.


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[Assistant] Buddha Baker, Eddie Jackson, Kevin Byard, Landon Collins, right? They're all at 14 million dollars a year. Justin Simmons now with his free agent, I mean his tag is at 13.


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[Assistant] To me, he's right there in that range. You know, to me, he's a 13, 14 million dollar a year. You know, it's the new year and all of that. Yeah, I think he is worthy of that. I do.


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[Assistant] You know what? Devin McCourty's making 11. He's the next Devin. Yeaah. To me, at this point in his career, of course, I'm taking Joe Johnson. No doubt about it. Kareem Jackson was making 11. So Joe, yeah, I expect Joe Johnson to, you know, have a market and get something, John Johnson, excuse me, uh, make somewhere in that 13, 14 million dollar a year range.


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[Assistant] I think where I like Johnson is just his range in the pass game and everything like that. Harris still brings a lot of value to the foot. I mean, he will throw his body around. You know, he is good in coverage, not to the way John Johnson is.


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[Assistant] He's older than John Johnson too. So yeaah, I think there's a solid gap there between John Johnson and Anthony Harris. Best value.


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[Assistant] When I guess I look at the whole group in general, I would probably look at guys like...


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[Assistant] You know, Jaquiski Tartt is always a guy I look at to go, damn, he's a really good football player. You know, you might not have to pay him a ton of money. He got hurt this past year, had that, I like that. The other one too that just jumps out to me.


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[Assistant] Right, and again, this is gonna come into the medical and all of that.


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[Assistant] I know where you're going. Keanu Neil. Yeah, like Keanu Neil is one of these guys where it might be a little bit like Bud Dupree. He might just sign a one year deal or two year and just go, I'm going to bet on myself. I got to be healthy. I know that. Yeah. But when he is healthy, he is a specimen. He's a phenomenal difference making type safety. Uh, so that would probably be the guy I'd look at there. That's a defense right there. Maybe that's a defense.


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[Assistant] It says store the cube glass in your freezer. So I don't know if they mean the whole glass or does this come off?


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[Assistant] Booyah. Oh, I was nervous there. When you first said it, I was going, wait, they've had three top ten?


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[Assistant] I forget about Blaine Gabbard. Left Witch was my year, I would have got to that no matter what.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna blank on the guy's name from last year. We talked about him yesterday.


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[Assistant] Yes, because I like, he's one of those guys you draft later on the draft because you go, wait, there's some talent. Let's come back to that.


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[Assistant] No Name Guy, 2014, you said, right? Is that when we're going further?


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[Assistant] Also, the, it's the second dumbest pick in the history of quarterbacks behind Blake


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[Assistant] You had the Bears fans. They made me cry. They did. They were rude. I was seven years old. Yes, they did.


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[Assistant] Watch 1987, week one, Giants vs. the Bears. Dad got knocked unconscious. He got knocked out cold. We need to ask him. The defense was borderline illegal. And he came back in, like, seven plays later. Like, he was asleep on the field. But, you know, there was no concussion protocol, man. And, yes, so go ahead with your questions. Yes.


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[Assistant] Because yeaah, Jim wasn't playing. Is it, is it, is it Tomzak? Yes. Mike Tomzak, right?


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[Assistant] It's okay. Sorry you cried at Soldier Field. It's actually a great memory now. It's great. Back then it wasn't that great. And I had to have, we actually had somebody from our hometown who was there at the game. I was there with my mom, Dirty Diana, and my aunt Wendy, and it was just us three.


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[Assistant] And we were sitting like an eighth row, right? And the Bears fans were brutal to us. And like, you know, they would like, they taunted me the whole game. But one of the dads from our hometown,


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[Assistant] That's why we put the number 4. So wait, 2016, that's not the Jameis Winston, that's not Mariotta Draft. Hold on, I just gotta think of the draft here. 2016...


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[Assistant] Hackenberg. Ugh, Hackenberg. Damn it. Yep. How can you do that? How can you draft Hackenberg before that? I know, right?


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[Assistant] That's all right. That was a good one. That was hard. That was good. I like it. I like it. It's all right. I got no problem with it.


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[Assistant] Don't be afraid to get after the Burmese tonight. Alright? I'm taking this. Alright, take it. Put it on your tab. The hell with NBC Golf. Take it. They owe you something for free anyways. Alright? Alright everybody, peace out. We'll be back on Monday.


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[Assistant] I think it's going to be more free agency news, things like that that are going on in the NFL. We'll break it down and we'll find some few creative things to talk about as we go. Paulie, you the man. Cheers. Happy birthday. Peace out everybody out there. Be good.


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[Assistant] I mean the number of bidet uses between the last time I was on this podcast is a lot.


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[Assistant] But, uh, I will say though, when that happens, every time that happens and you say something that you feel, and you've always mentioned this, you have a career in mind, maybe you're doing this in the future, so you just want to be right. You don't want to create waves and clickbait.


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[Assistant] That can happen from time to time. We've got the wide receiver rankings. Some good ones. Uh, this is another really good class. Last year was a really good class. Deep class. This one I'm interested to get into your head and see what you think and how this one compares to last year.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so we're gonna get into your rankings. You think there were, there are six worthy of being in the first round, right?


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[Assistant] They're so good at separating the quarterbacks from their environment, from their offense, from what they were dealt with, from the talent around them.


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[Assistant] Is it harder to do it with wide receivers? You know, because if you have a bad quarterback, how do you ever shine as a wide receiver? Is it harder to separate them from their environment at all?


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[Assistant] We know what you like on the quarterback side. I think you probably, correct me if I'm wrong, have a preference to arm talent, able to make things happen out of nothing. Everyone has their preference. Every scout out there has kind of their preferences, things they look for, things that make them different and make them a better evaluator.


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[Assistant] So what do you think your, you know, preferences are? What could go into your rankings that may be different than other people's rankings?


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[Assistant] Go into your head and we get the six players that you think are a cut above this year. So, here it is, our Prospect Rundown, presented by...


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[Assistant] And let's start with a look back. You always gotta evaluate how you did in the past. You know, that's what we do, right. And you learn from it and you build towards the future. You've had a good track record. You mentioned Chase Claypool all over him, DK Metcalf, AJ Brown. So you've done well with receivers in the recent past. Here's what you did last year. Right. If you're watching on YouTube, you can see it right now.


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[Assistant] CDLAM was your number one guy. Justin Jefferson, who you were higher on than most. Number two. When I remember back, I always thought you put him one.


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[Assistant] Right. Uh, KJ Hamler was number four for you. Uh, he didn't get a whole lot of great quarterback play.


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[Assistant] He did. He did. Huge plays. Explosives. Long touchdowns. One, I think he had two long touchdowns late in the year. And then T Higgins was number five for you.


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[Assistant] Well, I think you're being hard on yourself too, because yea, you were higher on Justin Jefferson than a lot of other people, cause Jefferson ended up going, what, 22 overall, he was the 5th wide receiver taken, and you didn't listen to all the critics when they were yelling at you for not having Jerry Judy.


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[Assistant] In your top 5, a lot of people had him number 1 as the top receiver. He was the number 2 receiver taken. Uhm, I think that got proven right.


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[Assistant] Thanks. An A minus. Alright, thanks. I'll take an A minus. I'll take an A minus. If you would have gone with your gut and had Jefferson won, I would have given you an A plus. A minus, very good. Better than most. We're going to exceed that this year. So.


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[Assistant] Let's just get right into it. You ready? Yeah, let's do it. Number six in your Chris Sims 2021 NFL Draft wide receiver prospect list. I'm going to say that every time.


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[Assistant] He's an interesting player because uhm, I was looking up his, his bio and his past. He was a five star recruit out of high school in Louisiana. Some had him as the number one wide receiver in that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but you're evaluating him just on what you saw on the tape, and so it's not like he's still riding that same hype train from when he was in high school in Louisiana.


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[Assistant] I don't know if he's gonna grow anymore, but with development, he could turn into a Julio Jones type.


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[Assistant] Can be physical, can be a Justin Jefferson type player.


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[Assistant] Which would be huge for any team that drafts him. He is number six in your rankings. I did want to mention that everyone kind of sees this as a big three this year. Deep class, lot of good talent, but a big three with Jamar Chase, Jalen Waddle, Devontae Smith. We'll see if it plays out that way for you.


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[Assistant] That's, that's our soundbite. Uh, okay, so that is number 6, so now I'm really, so let's just go 5-4 real quick and then go to your top 10. No, uh, number 5 for you in your wide receiver rank.


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[Assistant] It appears as though on some of his cuts that he does not have any knee ligaments. It's like he doesn't have them. It's like his knees and legs are bending all different which way and it has no effect on him. No. It's amazing. I don't think I've ever seen


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[Assistant] Yeah, pro football focus called him, uh, quite possibly a generational talent with the ball in his hands. Once he catches the ball, they have him marked as breaking 32 tackles on only 80 catches over the last two seasons.


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[Assistant] So you kind of mentioned where he might fit, but Isaac Bonilla asked a question here. Oh, Pete just moved it. There it is. Uh, do you have an opinion on some offenses that, uh, Tony would best fit in?


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[Assistant] It is, it is fun to watch. If you have not seen Kidarius Tony in...


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[Assistant] Most people probably haven't, you know, if you're not following the college game, uh, do yourself a favor, go look at some highlights. Those are fun to watch. So he is your number five wide receiver. And now is when it gets interesting.


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[Assistant] Now we're into the top four. Right. And you've already mentioned the fact that your top three may look different than other people's top three.


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[Assistant] So I'm gonna stall for a second because you're just flipping through pages like that.


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[Assistant] And you think to be top top top of your draft class type wide receiver, you need to be able to do a little bit of both.


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[Assistant] Did have to play behind a lot of other wide receivers at Alabama on the depth chart, Jerry Judy, Ruggs, Devontae Smith as well. So there's never the number one guy there in Alabama, which is not necessarily a mark against him, but there were other guys that were there.


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[Assistant] So here's the crazy thing is that we were talking about last year's draft class as being generational. We haven't seen anything like this in a long time. We won't see anything like this for a long time in the future. That may have been wrong, right? Because if you have


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[Assistant] Waddle as better than Rugs. You had a Rugs third last year. So how do you see this? I mean, is it a, is it the top four guys are better than the top four guys, but maybe last year's class had more of this deep, like how do you compare this to?


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[Assistant] So Jalen Waddle, many people have him in the top three, some have him up to two, and I think some try to make the case that he could...


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[Assistant] Go against Jamar Chase. He's number four for you. Number three in your wide receiver drag race. Here's my guy.


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[Assistant] 78. That sounds fast. I really have nothing to compare that to. That, I think that's fast.


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[Assistant] As a sophomore and this past year as a junior at UNC, uhm, the knock is that that's basically how they used him, right? It was a lot of vertical, a lot of deep routes. There wasn't a whole lot of variety. They found something that worked in the ACC and just exploited it as much as they could do. Can he do all the other stuff or do you have


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[Assistant] Because we didn't even look at them before. We didn't have a draft board. So you heard it here first. You are looking at these players before NFL teams, too. This is the first you're hearing. You're finding out if you're listening to this quicker than your favorite NFL team.


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[Assistant] D'Ami Brown, I like him because growing up my nickname from some of my friends was Ami.


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[Assistant] You know, some of these guys are similar, right? You look at their tape and you're like, they're all kind of like shifty guys, twitchy guys. And so yea, he did, but I didn't watch a ton.


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[Assistant] No, I mean, I didn't see a ton of them. You're the guy that watches all the film, but I will say that I am influenced mostly by the, uh, the soundtrack in the highlight reel and the use of slow motion. So if they didn't use a lot of that with the Omni Brown, I was not impressed. So I can be easily fooled. So he is number three for you. So we have a top two. You're number two.


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[Assistant] After practice, there was a rumor out there that he would catch a hundred passes off the jugs machine every day after practice. That's been confirmed. People say that was true. So he's got the work ethic there. Uh, he did. Yeaah. Lead the country. Right. In screens.


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[Assistant] So they were definitely scheming for him. Right. So here's what I'm gonna say. You were enamored with the big numbers and they all came on screen.


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[Assistant] King of Buffalo, could Devante Smith be the best wide receiver on your team, or does his intelligence and skillset make him even more valuable if he's your second best wide receiver?


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[Assistant] What about another added benefit of him back in high school in a championship game? He had 111 yards receiving, had a...


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[Assistant] Interception returned for a touchdown, so he was playing defense, but he also had a kick return for a touchdown.


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[Assistant] And there are some, uh, scouts out there that say he could be a punt returner.


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[Assistant] You are going crazy over him, which means that you must really, really like your number one guy.


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[Assistant] But there's something that you like about Jamar Chase over those other two.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he, uh, everyone's heaping the praise on him. In that title game, did you go back and watch the national championship game versus Clemson? Nine catches, 221 yards, couple touchdowns. Most of that against AJ Terrell?


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[Assistant] A couple of the comps for him, which I think are interesting every once in a while, Daniel Jeremiah over at NFL Network said he is like a faster...


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[Assistant] Jen's Jewel says you were high on Justin Jefferson last year, which you were. Who's better of the LSU kids, Jefferson or Chase? Uh, the Chases.


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[Assistant] That's the question too, is that he had all this success, huge year, helps when you got Joe Burrow, helps when you have Joe Brady, there as well. No doubt about it.


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[Assistant] And if they don't, you gotta get rid of the coach and bring in a coach, another coach. Well yeah, exactly right.


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[Assistant] Because it's interesting, like last year, as deep as that draft class was, it was the first pick. The first pick in the draft was Henry Ruggs.


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[Assistant] 12 overall. And so when you do have a lot of guys that are really good, sometimes they can drop down, right? Because you know quarterbacks are going to go up, you're going to get some offensive tackles, and then you're going to go, well, we really like Jamar Chase, but, you know, Kaderius Tony, we could get him maybe in the second round. Maybe he'll fall that far.


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[Assistant] How high do you think a wide receiver could go this year?


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[Assistant] There's a question. Hey, the Eagles. Christopher Jones. Should the Eagles take Mack Jones, Trey Lance, or the top one or two receivers?


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[Assistant] Cause there is talk about the Eagles wanting to take a quarterback, right, even though they got.


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[Assistant] Okay, so, uh, we're gonna get into your honorable mentions here in a second, but let's just recap what you did with your top six here. We'll take a look at it.


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[Assistant] One through six. You got Jamar Chase, number one. Devante Smith, two. De'Ami Brown, you're really high on number three out of North Carolina. Jalen Waddle, Kaderius Tony, and Terrace Marshall, jr. And that was the Prospect Rundown presented by Applebee.


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[Assistant] I do like Applebee's. People think I say that just because they're a sponsor, and I'll be honest with you, that does help. You know, I do feel like I can praise them more.


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[Assistant] That's where you can easily say it. I get it. Yeah. And if I didn't like them, I just wouldn't bring it up. I just wouldn't say it at all. Right. Uh, Pete's got a pop quiz right here. Alright.


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[Assistant] Who was the last wide receiver taken top 5 overall in the NFL Draft?


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[Assistant] So this is interesting, you go back to all the top five receivers here recently. 2015 we had one, Amari Cooper went fourth overall. Okay, yep. Uh, 2014 we had one, Sammy Watkins went fourth overall. 2012, Justin Blackman went fifth. 2011, AJ Green went fourth.


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[Assistant] 2007, you gotta go back there, Kelvin Johnson. To...


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[Assistant] Uh, Braylon Edwards was a top five pick in 2005. Larry Fitzgerald, Charles Rogers. Wow, there are some misses there. So that probably affects some thinking, too. So, Corey Davis, 2017, will be the last ever wide receiver take in top five.


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[Assistant] Okay, so let's go. You've done the work. You looked at like what? 30 receivers. About 30. So let's go kind of speed round style. Yea, cool. For some of these, alright? And we'll start with speed round style, your honorable mention. Can we do that? Yea, you lead them off. Do you want me to read them? You want me to read back your honorable mentions here?


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[Assistant] Some of the best quotes out there. He said, slow feet, don't eat.


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[Assistant] Because of those two quotes. He goes to number one. Those are good quotes. From Louisville.


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[Assistant] So he's in your honorable mention as well, as is Marques Stevenson out of Houston.


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[Assistant] What if they had just cloned a bunch of these guys? Cause they're all in the same mold. Twitchy.


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[Assistant] Okay, time to get grilled by the homies. Right. They don't even know your rankings yet, but they're ready to grill you. Ready to grill me. Uh, Garnet West.


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[Assistant] Why is Rashad Bateman from Minnesota not getting the recognition like the others? There's seriously no weakness in his game.


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[Assistant] Is he similar? Remember Van Jefferson last year in Florida? Sure. I think Van's smaller, right? Yes. In a different kind of a player. But the idea was that, okay, older, he did a lot in college, can do a lot of things really well. Yes, right. You can put him right into an offense right now, but you don't think that there's necessarily that athletic upside.


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[Assistant] Randy Morris. Why do you hate the Big Ten? Rondale Moore.


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[Assistant] From Purdue went from a ton of hype two years ago to not a lot this year. Why is that?


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[Assistant] Uh, Jaime Escovedo, 7. What do you think about Tylen Wallace from Oklahoma State?


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[Assistant] T Greasy. T Greasy. Says, who has the highest ceiling and highest floor? I always think that's a hard one to answer because it seems like if you put a guy number one, you think like he can have the highest, like he could be the hall of fame wide receiver.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so it seems like Chase probably to you has the highest ceiling, right?


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[Assistant] It is interesting to see, is this like a two year thing where we've just had great wide receivers, great elite top threes, or are we starting to get to a world where we can produce wide receivers like this every few years?


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[Assistant] That was a deep dive into a lot of receivers. You did the work. And, Kristen, correct me if I'm wrong, right there was the first F-bomb dropped. No, I think I had one other one. I think I had one other one earlier.


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[Assistant] That's the only one I logged. Chris may have slipped one in, unbeknownst to Kristen and myself.


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[Assistant] Okay, well, so next up, on Wednesday, you're going to the people who are going to try to cover these guys.


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[Assistant] Do we sound as my voice? Do we sound? You sound silkier and smoother. Twice on silkier and smoother.


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[Assistant] The, we've already had compliments on Twitter. Right. And on YouTube, people saying the mics make a huge difference. Yep. And Paul did the show with you last time. Yes. And Paul already has maybe the smoothest voice in all of broadcast television. It's pretty good, it's smooth. It's, you listen to him, it's just like, I am at peace with the world. Right. Because you hear, he is just so smooth.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and he made the point that this was a diva move by me. Because I tried to make it like it's for the podcast, for the better of you and Paul and me, but I will say,


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[Assistant] You know what it was? I was holding my notes in my left hand. So I have a note card of Michael Del Judas there, who's the NYRA chairman, who I just, I kept repeating that name in my head because I hadn't introduced him.


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[Assistant] Jimmy Bell, who's getting the trophy, and so if I ever had one of those moments where I freeze, I got the card in my pocket to pull it out. But I don't want people to know that I have that note card, so that's why I put my


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[Assistant] And they both finished one and two in the Breeders' Cup Juvenile. That's right. Right. As two-year-olds. Right. Like the two-year-old champions, so. Alright, well, way to go. It was pretty exciting.


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[Assistant] Alright, so. And we haven't even gotten into it, yes. We have the quarterback countdown. We're going 20 through 17. Four! We're doing four now because it's getting that much more important. So we'll go 20 through 17.


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[Assistant] Uh, we gotta talk about some reaction to some previous rankings. Ben Roethlisberger, no love for Jordan Love.


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[Assistant] Uh, we got the quarterback coach Royal Rumble countdown, the tag team partnership. We're going 16 through nine. So we're going all the way into the top 10 to see which coaches could beat up which other coaches. Uh, and then we'll finish off with a rate your snap count and Chris Sims professional body inspector makes a return.


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[Assistant] Julio Jones is no longer an Atlanta Falcon. Was a rookie there in 2011, played his last year in 2020. Now he is going over to the Tennessee Titans for a second round pick.


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[Assistant] You were already one of the better offensive teams in football last year. I was trying to look up where they were for points per game. They were fourth in points per game. 30.7. Just the Bucks, the Bills, and the Packers were ahead of them.


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[Assistant] They're dangerous. They were already dangerous. I guess, I mean, isn't it still the question for them though if they can stop anybody?


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[Assistant] Are we talking about Julio as though he's still the same Julio and is that correct? He led the NFL in receiving yards not that long ago, 2018, played just nine games last year. He's been pretty healthy throughout his career. I'm looking at his games played in 16, 15, pretty much his whole career except for a couple years. And last year happened to be one of those years though.


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[Assistant] So he's arriving into Tennessee. He did that earlier today. Kristen, do we have the video here? So Chris, you switched teams a few times in your career. Was this the treatment you got? He's getting off the private jet. He's got a couple of cool bags. He does have some cool bags. He gets a handshake and a bro hug from,


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[Assistant] But now it could be great. They could be great. They could be the best offense in football. And yeah, we'll see how for Atlanta. You always want to get that draft capital.


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[Assistant] And then use it right away. Like, it would have been ideal that they could use that second round and fourth round pick this year, and I gotta wait a whole year. That's not ideal. I will say from the other point of view, last thing I'll say on it, is that people are saying, why couldn't they get more? There are gonna be a lot of fanbases that say, why couldn't our team give up a two and a four? You know, like the 49ers were interested. We've seen them give up two ones, and then take Trey Lance with the other one.


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[Assistant] Uh, why not just, you know, we're all in, we're already all in. Give a two, give a four, and let's get Julio on this team.