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[Assistant] You know, and I'm just trying to look at, just to make sure I didn't miss any other, you know. Yeah, they're, to me, a team that's kind of trying to retool this thing on the fly. Ogunjobi's good, no doubt about it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm not sitting here like this is, uh, 2014 or the mid, you know, 2008 and going, oh man, this dealer's front seven. Watch out, they're killers.


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[Assistant] Exactly. They just might need some time. They're in the process of retooling this right now. You know, their old line stunk. They had to draft an old lineman in the first round. You know, they got the quarterback ready here. You know, that's, I think we're going to see the Steelers stay relevant as they rebuild their football team, which is, you know, kind of impressive in itself. I'll say this about the Highsmith deal.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so there you go. I mean, it's protecting themselves. It's like a one-year deal and then pays you go. It probably is, right, you know. Yeah, I have to look at the full thing, but I would say it's no, no, nothing more than a two-year deal. He's, he's gonna have to show that he is worthy of that to keep collecting these type of checks. So, yeah, no problem.


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[Assistant] I think top 10, you know, now I'd like to have Chris Jones there, but.


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[Assistant] You know, a group of role-players on their D-line, they drafted Nduke, right, from Kansas State as another pass rusher. Local draft pick. So, I'm with you there.


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[Assistant] I, you know, to me this is where Kansas City, and this is where I think the league is gonna have to go this year. I said this during the season last year. Kansas City is going...


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[Assistant] It showed team something last year. The Super Bowl specifically.


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[Assistant] One of the things I said during the year, and I know you listen to me, but you don't always, I don't expect you to listen to every show.


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[Assistant] But one of the things I was saying about like the Eagles and the Dolphins offenses, right, if you're going to stop them, you can't just think you're going to go, we're just going to call good sound defenses and we'll be in the right. They have an answer for everything. At some point with your good sound defenses, they're going to call plays or you're going to go,


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[Assistant] It's sound, but now this guy did a fake reverse this way and they pulled two linemen this way and they faked the running back to the other way and now the quarterback's going this way and they got an extra gap over here and you can't defend it, right? And to me, what


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[Assistant] The Chiefs did and showed, especially in the Super Bowl, is that you gotta call some defenses that are not specifically always great, they're not sound, they're not perfect. You have to call some defenses that go,


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[Assistant] But if they call this one pipe, we might be screwed. But you gotta do it, because I don't think you're ever gonna stop these offenses with the read options, the RPOs, all the different things they're doing. You can't be sound and have a guy in every gap all the time. So you gotta kind of create your own chaos. And that was my point when I was getting with the Chiefs, is I think the Chiefs


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[Assistant] Take the chance. Or like they did in the Super Bowl. Yeaah. Don't take, take the chance. Make them, you know, go score or they're off the field. But either way, Mahomes is back on the field playing. He's not sitting over by the Gatorade bottle for, you know, 27 minutes where the team run the ball down your throat and six yards, four yards, three yards, doing all that. So.


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[Assistant] This is the week we're bringing it out. So they have to deal with that shit too, where they watch film of a team for nine weeks and go, whoa, this team never did this the first half of the season and they're doing it five times because people know they have to go outside the book to, to beat, you know, those red and yellow. They basically become the schoolyard.


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[Assistant] Slow play this. It doesn't put tremendous pressure on Jovante Williams. Now, hey, will they get in camp and maybe go, damn, yeaah, he's, he's gonna be a while before he's ready to go and kick some butt for us and some Ajay P. Rines maybe just not quite as explosive enough or whatever to be our every down guy or whatever.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't think it's something they're gonna look at right now is what I'm saying with Dalvin Cook. Right, I think it's one of those things where they're gonna go, hey, we got who we got here, we're okay with that. We got a Tony Jones Jr. who he had, you know, some time with I think in New Orleans when Tony was down there a little bit. So,


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[Assistant] You know, but, but yeaah, I think that'll be one where it's evaluate and kind of what I've said about Dalvin Cook. Dalvin Cook's a guy too that


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[Assistant] You know, he should slow play this. There's no reason. He's been around the NFL. There's not a playbook thing that you have to worry about as far as a running back's concern. He's a pro. He'll be in shape.


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[Assistant] To me, I'd want to sit here and slow pay and make sure I get to a place where I go, and I heard him talking on Rich Eisen on Monday, like, he still wants to be the guy.


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[Assistant] Right? So, hey, wait and see what happens here. You might get a team like Denver where, man, Javante Williams, oh yeaah, they can't play him early in the year, they don't want him here, they're desperate, and maybe they'll pay him the price tag that he wants. Uhm, but I would think he's gonna be on the radar here until they feel totally comfortable with Javante Williams.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think he's fair to worry about it. I'd be worried about it. I mean, I would. I like your three pass rushers, alright? I mean, that's for sure. I mean, Max Crosby is, he's an all-pro pass rusher for me. You know, I think, you know, you know, I thought Tyree Wilson was the man. He's not going to be able to be dependent on early in the year. But yeah, I think ultimately with the Raiders,


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[Assistant] I love the Marcus Peters siding. One of the reasons I loved it and talked about it on, uh, uh, yesterday on Pro Football Talk is because, yeaah, it's Patrick Graham, he comes from New England, they want to play man to man, and I want to go, who can play man to man that you can depend on in the Raiders, right? Who, who is it?


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[Assistant] Right? That's the big thing. I know they got our man, the speed surfer, Maryland, which I'm sure they're gonna try to use him in that capacity.


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[Assistant] You know, after that, the safeties, not necessarily very impressive either.


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[Assistant] Right? You know, so they're gonna, I think it's, it's, it's, they're building on that side of the ball, is what I'm saying. And yeah, the offense is gonna have to...


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[Assistant] I think that's where their money is right now. That's how they're built. Their head coach is an offensive coordinator.


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[Assistant] So, I think it is going to be on the offense here to hold it down for one more year and then hope a


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[Assistant] Trayvon Maury continues to get better and Chris Smith, who they drafted from Georgia, he comes, you know, and develops into something in year two and, you know, go from there. The kid they drafted from Alabama, the Dean Lyman, right? Uhm. Byron Young. Right. Right. So, you know, they're, they're, they're interior part of their defense.


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[Assistant] It's, it's all, it's, it's Colton Miller, it's the receivers, right, it's the quarterback, it's Josh Jacobs, yeaah, it's all offense and pass rush.


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[Assistant] Can they become the wall? The blue wall again? Like they were, you know, a few years ago. Last year it was disappointing. They definitely fell off. I mean, Quinton Nelson, I gotta think he's gonna have a bounce back year. It was his worst year of his career. There's no question about that. I feel like it came out of nowhere too. Out of nowhere. It's not old. Didn't see that happening. No, I mean, you know, it was still playing high level football.


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[Assistant] Right, I, you know, I think, you know, with, with, with them a little bit and, and that, I think this is some of the things that, they lost, Glawinski,


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[Assistant] Who is a very good run blocking offensive lineman.


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[Assistant] They lost, who was it? This is, I'm going back to two years ago, Jack Doyle, I believe.


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[Assistant] Was that Jack Doyle, their tight end? I'm trying to- Yea yea yea, Jack Doyle. Jack Doyle, he was one of their best block- I mean, again, pass game, whatever, but running, run blocking, the man. So, they lost those two guys, and, who else am I missing? Eric Fisher, right, who they had.


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[Assistant] Two years ago. Again, not premier pass protecting left tackle, very good run blocking tackle.


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[Assistant] So that kind of like flew under the radar of like, this is why they're not as good. Let alone Quinton Nelson didn't play as well. I do think they're going to be better. I think the scheme itself is going to help them be better. They're going to be coached in the run game. They're going to be all about the run game. Braden Smith.


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[Assistant] It's still really damn good, we know that, right? Ryan Kelly, his health, I think they'll be better than last year, I guess is what I'm trying to say, long story short. You feel the same way? I think they need a big step from Bernard Raymond. Yeah, yeah, sure. Cause that'll dictate.


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[Assistant] You're, you're, you're limited too. And you're limited because you become, you know, you're so worried about all that they can do, you get conservative, like we were just talking about. And I just, yea, like I was saying, I think defense are going to have to change that this year. They're going to have to be a little not conservative to kind of mess things up. But yea, you're right about their Raymond.


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[Assistant] That, that, that's the point. Can he make that next step and be the franchise left tackle and, and how, I liked him coming out of Central Michigan. Me too. I did too. Uhm, but yeaah, it didn't seem like he got the, the greatest reviews last year, last year in Indianapolis.


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[Assistant] I mean, do I expect them to just be like, like last year where I, I mean,


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[Assistant] All year long, top one, two, or three in the NFC, as far as record and all that? Absolutely. I mean, they're just, they're too talented. I still think it's the most talented roster in football, even though they lost some players, sure. Yeah, but, uh, no, I don't see it.


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[Assistant] I think with that quarterback they have there, he's going to keep them driven and motivated for sure. Uh, he's a tremendous leader and I think Nick Sirianni and company has got the magic touch too. So I don't expect them to fall off.


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[Assistant] No, no. Conferences. No, it's literally like run back the same thing again and then we'll run back the same thing with the 49ers and we'll see you in the NFC Championship and hopefully their quarterback doesn't get hurt. I mean, that's kind of how it feels to me. That's what it feels like. Right. Sure. It's like inevitable. I mean, yeah. And then you just, you know, like, like we've said a little bit over the off season, do the Cowboys jump in that party, baby.


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[Assistant] Is there some other team there that we're missing or whatever? I don't know.


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[Assistant] It's just a matter of time. It's blowing up, right. So, I'm with...


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[Assistant] I'm with our man here, as far as Task Force L.


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[Assistant] And that the Seahawks could be that team that interjects into that top combo. You know, one, I totally expect the offensive line to be better this year. You know, two rookie tackles last year. Tough.


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[Assistant] Definitely, definitely. They definitely held their own. I mean, I think they struck gold with the kid from Washington State at right tackle. And then of course we know the Mississippi State kid is extremely talented too. So that excites me.


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[Assistant] You know, of course what they did at, at, uh, in the draft this year, exciting, like holy shit. Their top three picks to me, I loved it. I gotta think the Anthony Bradford kid has a chance to start, the guard from LSU. He's an ass kicker. Right, an ass kicker. So, I think you're gonna see Seahawks be


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[Assistant] But I think it's gonna be, hey, we're gonna ride Kenneth Walker and Charbonne and be physical.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I guess that's kinda how I see them playing. Not quite as ball controlled Seahawks like 2013 and all that.


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[Assistant] Right? I think it's like, yeah, we want to run the ball. And when they drop back to pass, it's going to be looking for like, we're looking for chunk plays. We're looking for 30 yards right here and changing the field position totally.


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[Assistant] You know, that's 52%. Yeah. Okay. I think we'll see, we see more, right? But I think that's probably part of the, the reason they love and jig. But too, it's not only his route running, he's, he can be physical and blocking the run game.


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[Assistant] And yeah, I still think we're gonna see a number of two tight end sets with Noah Phan and Disley doing that. Pete Carroll ain't gonna deviate too far, and he's not gonna let the team be like throw the ball 45 times a game. That's not what he's gonna do. So yeah, uh, I think, I think we hit it. What would you guess McVeigh?


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[Assistant] That's, well, I was just about to jump, that's the shocking thing, cause Shane Waldron and Keith, you know, came from McVeigh, right? So that just tells you, I'm gonna say McVeigh was an 11.


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[Assistant] I think it's going to be a little bit more.


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[Assistant] You know, Shanahan, the way they want to play, do all that, like, you know, we just talked about, I don't think they want to play exotic, ooh, man to man and give you shots like that. I don't think that's going to happen. I don't think that's what Shanahan believes in the philosophy of winning games and all that.


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[Assistant] But creative ways to still play cover 3 and cover 4.


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[Assistant] And have, you know, different looks, different blitzes, this guy blitzes, this guy drops.


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[Assistant] I think you might see a little bit more of that from Horton and the 49ers, and a little bit more of a different, you know, a variety in lineup, and what I mean, and how they line up, you know, pre-snaps.


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[Assistant] You know, with the 49ers the last few years, it's either 4-2 nickel, or it's, or it's, what is it?


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[Assistant] 4-2, you know, and there's two guys up in the A gap and somebody's gonna drop out and one's gonna blitz. It's like one of those two things. You just don't know who's coming, which one's coming, blah, blah, blah. I think you're gonna see more sets from them this year.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna say yes. I am. This is a team that's got, you know, uh, the worst luck in the world at the quarterback position. So they need three quarterbacks to just cut Tray Lance.


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[Assistant] I don't see that happening, especially what you've invested in him and the politics of football. Like, they'll be severely questioned and people will talk about it even more if they just cut him for nothing. Trade? Who's gonna trade anything?


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[Assistant] That goes back to the politics. You can't even save, you can't trade them for a fifth round. Exactly right. It's terrible though. So you might as well keep them. Right.


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[Assistant] Teams aren't, yeah, teams aren't even a want to trade a fifth round pick or that's as high as they're going to go. Cause they're going to go, wait, you don't even like them. Wait, everybody in football knows he's already your third stringer right now.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, and then he hasn't played enough football. So I think it's going to continue to develop and, you know, he'll, he'll wait and, you know, for his sake, he'll hope to get a chance maybe somehow through injury or whatever else to get on the field.


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[Assistant] You know, the old saying, right, if you got two quarterbacks, you got none, right? I still expect it to be Baker Mayfield, but yea, at some point, and you've heard me say this before, and I say this to Florio all the time, you know, this is something I know New England believes in, and a lot of, you gotta start framing your team around who's gonna lead your group, who's gonna lead the unit.


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[Assistant] Who's gonna get the, you know, like you're talking about, and like the question here, get enough work to work on the nuances of the offense, and get everybody used to each other and on the same page, and ooh, when he sees this, he likes to check to this, and ooh, he gives signals like this, and you know, so yeaah, at some point here in the next, you know,


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[Assistant] 10 days, I would hope they start to have a clear cut. This is our guy, and he gets the majority of the reps.


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[Assistant] They try to be pros, but it does- It's gotta be hard. It affects.


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[Assistant] Well yeaah. Very different. You got that, you got to...


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[Assistant] You know, you're gonna, it's human nature. The more it festers, the more you're gonna get, ooh, I'm a Trask guy, or I'm a Baker Mayfield guy in the locker room. Oh, this is my buddy, I want my guy to be the guy. And I mean, so that's where it can do a disservice to your football team if it drags on too long.


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[Assistant] You know, will it look more like the 49ers? I think maybe to a degree. Nobody's gonna look like the 49ers. Listen, I've had a lot of people this offseason talk to me about


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[Assistant] Oh, you know, Shanahan and his offense and, you know, McVeigh runs it and Lafleur runs it and all that. And I want to go, ehhh, they don't, nobody really runs Shanahan's offense. Shanahan is kind of in a league of his own.


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[Assistant] They kind of run the basic version of Shanahan's offense. Or McVeigh, who, you know, I would say, yeah, there's some Shanahan, but there's a lot of Jay Gruden and John Gruden in that offense too. So I don't even know if you could totally say that. And McVeigh goes more of a, he has his formula every game he does that. Shanahan is like, I'll give you a story.


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[Assistant] Just real quick on the subject. I'm, I'm, I'm talking to some defensive coaches in football. Talk to one who's got the 49ers on their roster or on their schedule early in the year, right? They're going to play them in the first four or five weeks. So they're doing some off-season studying on them.


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[Assistant] 49ers, they're doing shit the rest of the league isn't doing. You know, it's not as apparent to the untrained eye.


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[Assistant] You know, cause when we think different, oh, there's a different formation, they come up with different past concepts. No, it's the nuance in the run game that


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[Assistant] You really gotta know where you'd go. Yeah, here's a toss sweep from last week, and then the next week they run the toss sweep, and it looks the same, but it's actually blocked totally different.


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[Assistant] Right? That's where he is a mastermind that way. And then off of that new play, you know, comes up with three or four play action passes where you go, whoa, I've never seen it done this way too. So he kind of always reinvents himself.


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[Assistant] Like think about even the Seahawks playoff game. You remember that game Brock Purdy kept running to his left to run a fake and they were running deep in cuts going the other way and he was throwing it across the field and they were wide open. That's what I mean. He does shit where the rest of the league's like, wait, wait, wait, we've never, nobody does this.


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[Assistant] So, I know everybody wants to think they're the same, but that's where I'd go, no, Shanahan's a little bit of a class of his own, but to the basic point at Coach Magnet, I think they're gonna, yes.


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[Assistant] They're going to rely on the run game, be physical that way, and I think you're going to see the Packers push the ball down the field a little bit more.


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[Assistant] You know, the one thing I think Aaron Rodgers did to them the last few years is he put them in the, I want to throw it short and get on my hands box, and that kind of handcuffed them in their offense this way.


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[Assistant] I think he wanted to get back to more of what we were talking with Shanahan, you know, maybe not as creative, but run the ball, run the ball. And then we faked that damn run and ooh, there's Brandon IU going over the middle for a 30 yard game. I think that would fit them more anyways with, with Dobbs and Christian Watson speed and for a young quarterback.


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[Assistant] So, this way, I think, cleans the f- We block, we keep the tight end in. Hey, he's one-on-one outside, he's running a comeback. Just throw the f-ing comeback, one-on-one.


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[Assistant] You know, hey, we've been running the ball, running the ball. Ooh, the safety is cheating down. We're going to throw the post over the top to Christian Watson, right? With a cross or underneath. I think that's the kind of stuff they'll try to do with Jordan Love, but I think it'll be more run-based defense and shots down the field for Green Bay.


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[Assistant] Exactly. To me, it's one of the undervalued or, you know, what do I want to say? Not use enough tactics in all of football by young quarterbacks or older quarterbacks. That's why I love Joe Burrow a little right now. And Mahomes and them got into this a little last year too, where they were just like,


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[Assistant] You know, I think coaches don't love that because they feel like they're getting cancelled out because they're like, oh yea, I came up with Y drive Z choice tip and over here I want you to do that. And it's like, no, sometimes it's just better. Right. And for your point,


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[Assistant] You know, it's easier for the young quarterback. Hey, run the ball, run the ball. It's a single safety defense. Okay, now is Alec Pierce outside running the 20 yard comeback? Is he open? You got a strong arm, throw it, and...


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[Assistant] People go, ooh, it's a far throw. It's really a safe throw. It's a safe throw. Unless you throw it behind them, okay, then you're going to intercept it. But anything out in front or high is either going to be caught or go out of bounds. And that's where I think people lose sight of that fact a little bit every now and then.


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[Assistant] Yep, check it out. I mean damn, I mean one thing I can speak confidently in life is that Matthew Barry and you guys are all over the fantasy world in every angle possible. Yeah, Matthew Barry's, I mean come on, he is who he is because he's phenomenal. He lives it, he eats it, he breathes it.


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[Assistant] Pickin' his brain. And what I love about Matthew Barry, you know, I said this to a lot of people during the year last year. I mean, Matthew Barry, I know some people go, oh, his fantasy, whatever. He's got a great eye at football. He understands the game.


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[Assistant] And understands talent of players and he added a lot of value to our Sunday night football show last year by just some of the things he said in the meeting rooms and whatever else just, you know, giving his two cents on the game.


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[Assistant] It's just my cooler guest host, alright? Connor Rogers, always dressed cool. What kind of sh-


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[Assistant] He's all over the game, as always. I hope everybody enjoyed the little AMAs. You know, next week, like I said, I'm going to be back on Monday. Tuesday, I'll be going to Canton, doing a few days of pro football talk there from the Hall of Fame. Gonna do a Thursday podcast next week. Wednesday's a busy day and we got some NFL things we gotta do, so.


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[Assistant] We're gonna have to do it on Thursday, but that's a little look forward to next week. Gonna have a guest, I think, for the Thursday pod.


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[Assistant] Yo, yo, thanks for watching homies. I appreciate it. As always, the NFL season is right around the corner. So now it's your turn to hit subscribe to Chris Sims on Button. If you want to get all the training camp battles, preseason film review, playoff predictions, and much, much more, you know where to find it. It's right here. Chris Sims on Button. Please subscribe. Thanks again for watching. Peace out, homies. See you soon.


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[Assistant] Oh yeah, baby, what's up? It's a joint podcast collaboration. It's bet the edge and Chris Sims on button. Ahmed Farid is here. Jay Croucher is here.


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[Assistant] Uh, either way, you have the best hair of the group, that's for sure. No doubt about it. And you're a lot easier to understand speaking English because, Jay, like, that was a stressful few minutes there. Thank you, Jay.


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[Assistant] Yeah, right. Yeah, surfer dude out there in California. He's easy to understand, for sure. Uh, but we're gonna have fun here today. Like I said, joint collab podcast. Gonna hit on some future bets.


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[Assistant] Wow, I did not know that. Now that you say it, I was like, I have heard that word before, but when you first said seismologist, I was thinking a lot of weird things, okay? I was like, what is that exactly? Where did he get his PhD in that?


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[Assistant] Alright, the other thing I want to ask Drew, as is his seismology over here, is he also like botanical over there? I mean, are you living in a garden? Are you, where do you live here? Are you growing weed out the back window? What's going on?


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[Assistant] Jalen Phillips is the guy. He's the guy you're more scared of, right? But yeah, it's the numbers. He's not a household name yet, but yeah, that's where, you know, so then what I want to ask both you guys, or do you want to finish your thought there? Did you have something else you wanted to say there, Jay?


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[Assistant] Yeah, gotcha, gotcha. There's some definite, you know, obvious thinking there, and I like that thought there, because those are the guys I do look for. Alright, so wait, what I want to ask both of you, like Drew and Jay, is just like, what, when do you feel comfortable


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[Assistant] Laying down a bet like this. Do you want to see the preseason unfold a little bit? Do you want to get it in on it before the preseason? I mean, when is the sweet spot for, for any of this, even the coach of the year stuff you talked about? Cause you'd like to know, Oh, I'd like to put the bet down and know that the team is healthy going into the season if I want to put something substantial down.


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[Assistant] Alright, so I'm an amateur, right? I've really, I've never really got into gambling in any way, right? I have friends that ask me about games all the time and I would be like, why are you asking me? I don't do this. I know I know football a little bit, but I'm not the best with it. Oh, so like for, for guys like you or for,


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[Assistant] Agreed with that. We talk about that all the time on our Unbuttoned Podcast. Ahmed and I, just the early season is where, that's the only thing we know right now. You can't, you have no freaking clue who's healthy, what's going on with the team late November, right? You know, you get off to a bad start, you get a few injuries, some teams are just going,


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[Assistant] You know, cause every dogfight they're in, well, we're not in it. And then, you know, all of a sudden it just goes, shit rolls downhill. And you know, that's where I do think the, the start of the season, the schedule is really the only thing to look at there.


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[Assistant] I would agree with that all the way there. I do. I like where your head's at. I don't understand. The Dolphins, for me, on paper, and I go, I know it's on paper, but we've hit on this a little. It is, you go through it, it's the most talented team in football. I don't think there's any doubt about that. They got difference makers on the D-line.


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[Assistant] You know, the receivers, like you said, it goes beyond those two too. They got other receivers that are damn good. You know, they got one of the best secondaries in football. And you're right with Mike McDaniel and what he does there. Uh, they are being overlooked to a degree, which is kind of shocking. Um, Drew.


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[Assistant] Drew, what are you talking? What are you thinking here? What's your team to look out for here?


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[Assistant] Definitely. Ravens, people don't know how good they were last year. I like where your head's at in that discussion there. I think you're both kind of spot on. The Ravens being overlooked a little bit.


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[Assistant] You know, the division, yeah, Deshaun Watson, Joe Burrow, all that. But as we've said like a hundred times over the last month, they were on the one yard line about to go up seven in the playoff game against the Bengals and the ball got punched out and they returned it and it was a 14 point swing.


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[Assistant] Ravens are Super Bowl caliber and these right now things are settled and Lamar is gonna be good and weapons and all that. I think that added jolt, new law-offensive outlook, all of that adds like a win or two to their victory, just the new energy in the building and what they're gonna be about. I see you there, but damn. I mean, you guys are just gonna...


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[Assistant] After the two toughest divisions in football, huh, and go there, that's where I, I'm like, what? Wait, wait, wait, wait, what's going on here? I'm going to go the easier route, okay? I'm going to go the easier route. And I'm sitting here looking at it and I'm going, damn, the odds aren't even that good anymore. I thought they were going to be good. I, you know, I'm not Johnny the shark over here like you two, okay?


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[Assistant] And like, you know, Drew, you said it, it's Eagles, it's Niners, Niners got the quarterback question. I think we'd go, okay, the Cowboys would probably be the team we'd pick to be third in the conference. Lions. Right? The Lions are in there, but I'd still have a hard time putting money on them right now. I gotta like, see it a little. But the one team I do look at is the Falcons.


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[Assistant] And maybe I should go, Falcons to go to the playoffs is what I originally told Pete, right? And it's only plus 120, which is kind of underwhelming, right? So I guess I'm not the only one in on that one there. But I would go also as far as going, what are the Falcons' odds of winning the AFC South?


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[Assistant] Plus 240 to win the, to win, that would be another one that, you know, I would take a shot on that. The NSC South, I think you guys would agree is wide open. Definitely. Right? You know, the Bucks, they're in a state of flux. The Carolina Panthers, number one pick. They're bringing along a young quarterback.


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[Assistant] You know, Atlanta, I know they got a quarterback question too, but they're not a quarterback reliant football team the way they played the last few years. And I kind of look at them and the Saints as being a team that can jump up in that division and get in the playoffs.


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[Assistant] And just with the state of the division, it's third year for the new regime. It's like, hey, you got to start going to the freaking playoffs here. You're going to get start talking about hot seat crap and all that, which I don't think is deserved by any stretch of the imagination. But that's where I've just kind of using the little football sixth sense with that one there.


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[Assistant] It's like, I'd like to see a little more, you know, I did like when we did my quarterback rankings, what he did do the last four weeks of the year. You know, I know they have great confidence in the human being and that he has all the intangibles to be the leader, right? I still wish the throwing is a little bit better, but yeah, I look at that.


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[Assistant] You know, you say Eagles, I almost, I think they're trying to replicate Tennessee Titans almost, right? That's a, but the same kind of thought there.


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[Assistant] You know, Arthur Smith came from Tennessee, that's why I just lean on that one a little bit. But yeaah, they're gonna make it about, we don't want to make it about the quarterback. We're gonna be a full team, and then we're gonna deliver some plays from the quarterback through the normal rhythm of our offense that makes sense, and we know he cannot execute that.


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[Assistant] And I think that's the kind of football they'll play, you know, ultimately down there in Atlanta.


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[Assistant] Well, I know, that's one of the dumbest things people talk about sometimes. I hear people talk about Daryl Rivas and they're like, well, he was only targeted this many times. And I was like, yeah, cause we were all watching films going, let's not throw the ball at that guy.


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[Assistant] I mean, it wasn't like we were like, oh man, we just happened not to throw a Darrell Rivas today. I don't know what we were thinking. We were all thinking we were shit scared and we said, nah, let's go somewhere else. And that's what's unfair about it. It's like the great coach conversation you said early on, like Andy Reed's got to go 17 and 0 to win it.


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[Assistant] Yes. But the interceptions. And everybody erases the 10, 80-yard touchdowns he led up where you're like, come on, that counts, you know. Uhm, alright, I like, hey Drew, I like where you're at with Quinn and Williams. I think he is,


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[Assistant] Officially jumped into the elite defensive line conversation all the way. It's perfect scheme fit. The lights went on last year. You said it right. He can get after the quarterback. He's a


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[Assistant] I'm, I'm like, and of course I'm, I'm with you, we all love my homes. Burrow is one that stands out with me with my homes this year. I just feel like there's, as long as we don't have the gallbladder removal and training camp or something like that, like the stars are just a lining like for Joe Burrow where they believe


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[Assistant] I think they're going to go, they're going all in on him throwing the football and it's going to even go to another level this year. Their O line I think will be better, right? To where I could see him being the MVP. I could see him throwing for 44 touchdowns and you know, 10 interceptions and, and, and then being one of the top seeds in the, in the AFC, right?


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[Assistant] Here's another one I want to throw out, and Drew kind of like hit on this, right? I'm not nearly the expert you guys are, but I just from football standpoint and having a feel for the game, right? He brought up the Broncos.


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[Assistant] Russell Wilson, to me, comeback player of the year, would be one if I had a few extra dollars that I'd throw out there. The skills are still there.


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[Assistant] The skills are there. They're not what they were five years ago. And I'm, I'm more of a believer in Sean Payton and how he'll rebuild the robot and to believing in himself again. And he's going to call the right plays and all that. So where I look at Denver,


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[Assistant] It's like, if they get in the playoffs and Russell Wilson has, oh whoa, he's back in the Pro Bowl conversation, I feel like he would be in the running for comeback player of the year, even though he's just coming back from not being good for a year.


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[Assistant] I hear you, you're right. I know, that wouldn't scare me too, but if you're looking, you know, value bet, and that's kind of what I think Drew and what you said about Sean Payton, where like, I don't


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[Assistant] I'd be little comeback, or I mean coach of the year, cause I don't know, like he might be the one case where, wait, they were 5 and 12, and even though they don't win the division, if they got in the playoffs, do you think he could be thrown in that combo?


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[Assistant] Yo, yo, yo, thanks for watching homies. It's the off season, but you know there's no off season for us here at Unbuttoned.


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[Assistant] How about you? Did you have a good one? My wife was like, what got into you? What's got into you here? What are you doing saying crap on the podcast now? And what'd you say? Midlife crisis.


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[Assistant] No, it was good. I was in your old stomping grounds in Tampa covering the Dodgers and Rays for our baseball game on Peacock. That's awesome that you had that show.


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[Assistant] It was 11 to 10, it was an offensive explosion. Which, 21 runs, the game still lasted 2 hours and I think it was 53 minutes.


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[Assistant] There's so few things that bring the whole community together, I feel like. You really need, you really need those. And so yea, we went and we had a fun time. And now we're done with it. And now we're back here with all of our coworkers. And we're back to work. Back to work. Back to grinding.


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[Assistant] Bill's getting up there too in New York, so he's gonna be retiring. I'm hoping for it as a New Yorker. Uhm, alright, this is what I'm hoping for, you know. Let's do it. I'm hoping to really dive into this. Top 20 now, I mean we've done almost 20, what, 21 so far. Yeah. So now we're going 19 through 14 today. Before we can do that, we're gonna listen. What? To the Chris Sims quarterback countdown song.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's good. Did some more of that this week. You just open yourself up. You know, we did the draft season, and you open yourself up there to criticism.


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[Assistant] And then we go, we'll give you a week off of that, and then we'll get back, get back in the lab. So that's what we're doing here. As I mentioned, it's 19 through 14, so six quarterbacks, so, and these are quarterbacks, this is an interesting group, because they're all in one tier. We've tiered off our quarterbacks this year, and the tier is the clocks ticking.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think for the most part this group of quarterbacks almost are.


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[Assistant] And where most people think, like, this is their ceiling. This is their range. They're not top ten quarterbacks anymore.


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[Assistant] Uh, so let's get right into it. Number 19, who is, uh, this player is lower than I would have thought before we did this podcast.


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[Assistant] So since you're starting right there, let me just throw this at you because DeAndre Hopkins did also stick up for Kyler Murray.


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[Assistant] This quote, he goes, Tom Brady will cuss out everyone on the sideline for whatever. That's Tom Brady. But if Kyler does it, it's the talking topic of everything. So I think for him, he's misunderstood. He's a competitor, the dude likes playing basketball, he wants to beat at shooting things in the trash can, ping pong, whatever. And for me, I love it. He's misunderstood because he is so


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[Assistant] 87, you see what he's done here from 2019 to 2020. He was off this year. And got hurt. And some of the throwing too. That dates back a couple of years. You've been talking about that a while. Two years now. Shoulder injury. Right. Right. And ever since then, you're like, it doesn't quite look the same.


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[Assistant] He will be able to show some different things now, because Cliff Kingsbury is gone, uh, the GM that drafted him is gone now, which might be a good, who knows right there, right? It might be a make or break it year when we see Kyler come back. Uh, Homie Tanner Morris tweeted me, he goes, have a feeling we're going to be seeing Kyler's name here soon on the countdown. Gannon should bring some of the concepts from Philly, and offensive coordinator Drew Petsing.


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[Assistant] What does Kyler need to show to keep them from using all their draft ammo next year to get Caleb Williams and prove that he is the quarterback of the future?


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[Assistant] Even though he did just sign a 5 year, $230 million extension, there's always ways to figure out.


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[Assistant] Uh, Gary Davenport over there says he has yet to post a 4,000 yard passing season. He was 14th in the league in passing yards, 12th in touchdowns in his last full season.


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[Assistant] He's six games under 500 as a starter, and his lone playoff start was an absolute catastrophe. Now he also said that he's not, he's not


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[Assistant] So let's look at his uh, ranks last year compared to the rest of his career because it was in many accounts like his worst statistical career or year.


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[Assistant] In his career, I think for a completion percentage, it was his lowest since his rookie year, yards per game lowest since 2017. So what you just described right there, if you just didn't know the ranking, seems to me like a guy who's in the


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[Assistant] Sam Darnold, Kenny Pickett, Baker Mayfield, like mid to late twenties range. So clearly you like him better than those guys.


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[Assistant] 18. Yeah, so Saints fans are like, oh cool, Chris has got Derek Carr in the top 20, let's go listen to it. Ooh, ouch, ooh, ah, ooh. Uhm, so, let me, let me throw this at ya, and Pete Note's in a rundown, you know, he's 32 years old, but,


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[Assistant] Does, does he get enough credit for what he has done up to this point in his career? So with the Raiders, where he ranks like, with the all-time ra- I mean, he was there for quite a long time, and they were pretty good. They had a playoff run there, he didn't get to play in that because he was hurt in the playoffs, but I think we have his franchise ranks with


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[Assistant] The Raiders, and this is all the franchise records. So yea, he's number one in passing yards, passing touchdowns, fourth quarter comebacks, game winning drives, and starts by a quarterback. Man, the Raiders maybe, uh, didn't know what they had.


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[Assistant] I mean, they're trying to do a lot of the same things with Gruden, though he looked a lot better. I know. And now you've heard reports of Gruden hanging out with the Saints, maybe, so maybe he does unblock something.


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[Assistant] The next quarterback on your list has a much better year than last year. And last year was good, too, for him. Uh, your number 17 quarterback is... is...


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[Assistant] How impressed were you with Jared Goff last season? How would another successful season from him make you feel about his career? So he's already as high as he's ever been in your rankings. Previous high was 19, that was the summer after the Rams reached the Super Bowl, so now he's 17. What if he does this again? What if he shows that he can do this in back to back years?


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[Assistant] He does have some talent around him. He's got a really good offensive line, which I think is the most important thing. But you know, Amanra St. Brown has been awesome, but he was not a top draft pick, and I give Jared Goff some credit in developing him. They've come together.


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[Assistant] And, and ascended together too. Uh, they got the two new running backs this year. They got Sam Laporta at, uh, at tight end. So, I mean, when you take the offensive line, you take what they have around them. Is it fair to say that this could be a top five-ish offense this season?


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[Assistant] We saw it with Matt Stafford when he was with the Lions and they were throwing the ball 50 times a game and he got into a rhythm and had gaudy numbers, but I still love Matt Stafford, my second favorite lion of all time to the great Barry Sanders. It'll probably be the way it always is until


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[Assistant] This season though, and we have not seen Stafford in your rankings yet, so I assume he's still coming up. This season with what we've seen with Stafford and the injury.


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[Assistant] I would, if I know and I do have the Lions and that we got good talent around them, I would say give me the safer option who I think still has good upside. I would, I would go with golf for this year with the Lions.


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[Assistant] But I still love Matt Stafford, and I think he is the best Lions quarterback maybe ever. You gotta go back to the Bobby Lane pre-Super Bowl era. I'm with you there. And he might hold that mantle for a long time to come.


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[Assistant] So his replacement is 17, Jared Goff, as we move to 16 now in the Chris Sims Top 40 quarterback countdown.


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[Assistant] So this is going to shock some people maybe that aren't familiar with the podcast. Cause like Ryan Tannehill, is he even still playing? He's drafted a couple of quarterbacks in back to back years. I thought he was done and retired. But if you have listened to this podcast the last couple of years, you have always been a proponent of what Ryan Tannehill does.


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[Assistant] Diana Rossini, who covers a lot of teams for ESPN, says that this is his team. He is the guy. That's the impression that she has gotten. Will Levis will have to work for it. Malik Willis too. And, uh, this is what Mike Vrabel said. He goes, uh, uhm,


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[Assistant] Ryan will be the starting quarterback on Monday for the Roteas. Malik will be the backup. Will, will be the third quarterback. And that's what I've told him. Whatever happens after that will be up to the players. That's what it's always been here. That's why we, that's what we always want it to be. And so it will be still a competition, but you wonder if that will,


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[Assistant] So here it was with Tannehill, they were 6-6, 18 points a game. Without them, they were just 1-4. Their passing offense just basically went away. It was 211 yards with Tannehill, 114 without them.


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[Assistant] Total yards per game were about the same because Derrick Henry had to pick up the slack after that. Yeah. But in those five games they had nine turnovers. Uhm, so yeaah. And I mean maybe that's more to who they were replacing him with. That's part of it. And not as much with Ryan Tannehill.


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[Assistant] Are they built on defense? Because it's not like their defense was lights out or as good as we've seen the Tennessee Titans be in the previous years.


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[Assistant] We're going to be starting his 11th NFL season, his 5th with the Titans, turns 35 in July. So you know what? The clock is ticking on Ryan. Yeah, it literally is ticking with him. Why he is in this group. So we move on to 15. We've got two more quarterbacks to do. And this is these last two of this tier. This is, this is, this is a tough spot here. It was interesting. So we'll start with 15 and that person is.


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[Assistant] But not a ton of security. I think no fully guaranteed money after this season. And even Pete Carroll though said that Gino was gambling a little bit on himself. So that indicates that maybe there were deals out there for Seattle. Maybe they would have been open to giving some guaranteed money, but Gino's like, no, I can do it again. And my payday is going to be even more because everyone is thinking it might've just been.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think you were predisposed to liking him because the numbers bear that out on his deep downfield passing, 20 or more yards downfield. He had 32 completions last year. That was second most in football. This includes the playoffs. His completion percentage was almost 50%, which was the fourth best. You saw the pass touchdowns.


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[Assistant] 15 of those that were balls traveling 20 or more yards down the field. That was number one in the NFL. And this passer rating was number two. So I mean, with those numbers, it's everything and the weapons he has, and they did try to beef up the offensive line. I got a couple of guys on in the draft and a rookie free agent after the draft to the rookie tackles.


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[Assistant] You know, protect Geno Smith, but if they take a step forward there, I mean, not even top five. I mean, with the weapons they have and how they fit together.


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[Assistant] I mean, I don't know, this could be, this could be one of the best offenses in football.


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[Assistant] You had him probably higher than anyone in the football analytics community had him last year. You had him as the 33rd quarterback, um, which now you wish you probably would have had him even higher than that. Yeah. But I think a lot of people last year thought that he was not going to play. It was going to be Drew Lock's job. You know, they traded Russell Wilson. They got the young guys time for rebuilding year. Drew Lock's going to win that job. And so I think most people saw that the


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[Assistant] So Seahawks fans are like, oh, this is awesome. Chris loves our guy. He's 15. He could move up even higher next year. He's a lot better than that guy he replaced. As we go to number 14 in your rankings. Number 14, Russell Wilson. What? Let's ride. Despite all the good things you just said about Gino. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Not looking good. He does not look the same. He is not looking to run. He is, he is watching.


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[Assistant] It was not all him, and the situation dragged him down even more than maybe you even previously thought.


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[Assistant] There's one person that doesn't think that necessarily Sean Payton will cure all the ills for the Denver Broncos offense. That's MajorWin1.


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[Assistant] Mr. Van Nice says guys, assuming that Russell Wilson and Ryan Tannehill have cracked the top 20, who is on the hottest seat for the start of the upcoming season? So Ryan Tannehill's got a couple


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[Assistant] You know, I got a rookie and a second year guy and Malik Willis and Will Levis behind them. And you got Russell Wilson, who's got the security of that big contract. But also the pressure of it too. And Jared Stidham, who's better than Levis and Malik Willis right now is behind Russell Wilson, so yeaah. And Sean Payton wants to win now too.


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[Assistant] Better win. BetMGM has the numbers for the Broncos and their odds this season. They're over under win total this year. That's nine.


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[Assistant] So to make the playoffs, they're not favored to do that. Plus 180, but not a long shot either. Uh, to win the AFC West, that's more of a long shot at plus 500. Sean Payton to win Coach of the Year is plus 1,000. I might throw something on that. I feel like...


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[Assistant] We got similar odds there on the bottom. You saw that Russell Wilson, MVP plus 4,000. Uh, Patrick Sertan, Defensive Player of the Year plus 4,000. So the exact same odds.


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[Assistant] So if you had to choose one or the other, I guess it's 50-50, what do you think has a better chance of happening? Russell Wilson bringing it all back together, the story and everything like you just mentioned, him winning MVP, or Patrick Sertan winning Defensive Player of the Year.


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[Assistant] Simply download the BetMGM app today or go to BetMGM.com and to the bonus code Sims to make your first wager risk free up to $1,000 as I mentioned before.


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[Assistant] And bet responsibly. And redefine print. How you get those thousand dollars back and what you gotta do. So always be careful about that stuff. Thanks to BetMGM for all that information. So here we go. We got our latest tier locked in. There it is.


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[Assistant] There it is. Uh, the clock's ticking. We could fit that all in there. Good job, Morgan. Uh, so those quarterbacks, Kyler Murray, who could still move up into the top 10, Chris says. He's not relegated to 14 through 19.


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[Assistant] It's the other quarterback now. Oh, it's that guy. Okay. Call Kendrick Fay, tweets into you, says, is there a prove it factor to having Brock Purdy below Jimmy? Because 49er fans saw Brock was able to do more with more with his willingness, ability to throw the deeper ball while Jimmy's mobility and pocket awareness were less than to borrow a couple of Sims-isms there.


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[Assistant] Uh, Paul, thanks for, uh, using the terminology. And yeah, what, what do you think? Because yeah, a lot of 49er fans would be like, I would take Brock Purdy in a heartbeat over Jimmy Garoppolo. You had Jimmy at 22, you had Brock at 27.


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[Assistant] Pete tried to find a question, but none of them were safe enough to be set on the pod, apparently. Now I'm intrigued, and I'm gonna have to go look through. No, don't. Don't do that. You know what, and I've always said, those aren't homies.


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[Assistant] My favorite one was like, it was the Dolphins fan, who was a homie I think. It was like, if, if, uh, he's outside the top 15, we march, we storm the castle. And it was like, they're already realizing that 15 is about right for Tua. You had him at 21. And I'd like to see Tua play well. Like I said, I'd like to see all these quarterbacks play well because NFL is better when the quarterbacks are playing it up.


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[Assistant] I hope people thought that there. That's the goal right there. Uh, it was cool. Dress for the job you want, right? You had a good time though? It was a real good time. Yea, it was a good race. I know there's some questions about this. What is that? That is Flat Stanley.


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[Assistant] Where he has his Flat Stanley character and he has to go to as many places as he can so the kids can learn about the places. So I'll tell you a funny story. I brought Flat Stanley here to NBC one day because we have the big NBC sign out front and I wanted to take a picture of him in front of the rings and everything.


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[Assistant] Well, he's paper, so it was worse. You have to be really careful. I thought his head was gonna fly off like three times. I just, me being an idiot, I didn't bring a folder. I just shoved him in my book bag against my laptop. Oh gosh. And I was like, man, if I bring this thing home ripped, I am in big trouble. Well. So I survived.


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[Assistant] Let's do it. And I did see Ahmed there. Talk about the man has range. The fact that he masters the derby. Right. And then does baseball. Right. And technically could have been here, but it was like, let's give you a breather. He was gonna come here. He was more than willing.


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[Assistant] So we are gonna have a lot of fun today because I know you guys hadn't done this in a while. This is an all-mailbag show. So if people had questions lingering from the draft, if they have questions about players going into year two, sometimes rookie minicamp stuff, basically anything is on the table today, Chris. A hashtag, ask me anything, and I think a good topic to start with


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[Assistant] Justin Fields throwing motion is where we're going to open things up. A couple questions here right away. This one from Vago underscore K said, Chris, we need the quarterback whisperer to evaluate that motion. And we'll show that just in a second here. And the English male said his arm still looks like an independent contractor.


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[Assistant] Does the elbow kinda popping like that? Does it delay it a little bit? Does it make it slower? Like what is it to you that you think translates to the game being a problem?


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[Assistant] The next one is really interesting. This is a topic you don't see brought up very often, but you as a quarterback would be very familiar with this.


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[Assistant] Uh, second round pick and new center, John Michael Schmitz. This is from Corey Joskiewicz.


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[Assistant] Thoughts on the Dead Snap vs. Spiral Item. MDS wrote on John Michael Schmitz and Daniel Jones. Should coaches push for the change now or let them get settled in the offense? Is that up to coaches or DJ? Just for some context lay of the land here, John Michael Schmitz at Minnesota, long time snarter, logged over 2,000 snaps. Our favorite center. Yeah, 100%.


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[Assistant] He used the dead snap. The dead snap for the people at home is. He just like basically grabs the ball and just


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[Assistant] That comes from Connor. And maybe with Tennessee, he, Levis is walking into an offense that already exists for Tannehill, like we know what Tennessee is.


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[Assistant] Do you think also Richardson's unique running sets a different floor for him? Where it's like, you look at them, it's not a great division. The Colts have a good roster.


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[Assistant] Staying with the Titans quarterbacks here, Niko Waco 19 asked, How do you guys think the quarterback situation will evolve in Tennessee? Good to see you guys back together. Hey, it's good to see you back together. That's right.


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[Assistant] It's tricky, right? Because Tannahill was hurt last year. Tannahill could still play. Yes, he's on the expiring deal. I wonder what you think, Chris, from me? I don't think there'll be urgency for Tennessee to just throw Levis out there right away. There's just too much respect for Ryan Tannahill. Yea, and like you said, Ryan Tannahill's good. It's crazy how people forget this.


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[Assistant] If you're Ryan Tannehill and you're playing on Expiring, you gotta be thinking, I have one more decent year here.


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[Assistant] So at minimum they have a backup in Levis now too, if Tannahill gets banged up again.


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[Assistant] That's where I would lean too. I mean, you look at how they line up. They obviously got Dre Greenlaw, Fred Warner. I lean more of your thought of that in the box, chess piece defender. I mean, at the college level, he was probably playing around


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[Assistant] No free safety, that's not happening. I'm with you there. No. Honestly, Chris, most of the time when you see a linebacker that size, that speed, taking around six, they want them to be special teams players. Sure. They can fly down the field on the kick coverage team, the punt coverage team. I mean, that's where they started to make their grounds. No doubt about it. That's fine, around six.


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[Assistant] Staying with the Niners, FergusOB4 asked a Sam Darnold star instead of Trey Lance if Brock Purdy is unavailable at the start of the regular season.


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[Assistant] Darnold on a one year deal up to 4.5 million, so I mean that's, that's bargain if they get anything out of him. Bargain if they get anything.


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[Assistant] The last one on the Niners, from 49ers underscore 701, Kyle Shanahan's a mastermind, but why is it that people only mention how he makes things easier for the quarterback, which is true, but don't, uh, don't the same, they don't say the same for the wide receivers who are schemed wide open.


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[Assistant] Why do teams have so much trouble adjusting to that? Because everybody's like, oh, the team makes it simple for the quarterback, it makes it simple for the wide receiver, people are wide open. But you sit there and look at some of the brightest minds in football as defensive coordinators and


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[Assistant] They get taken to school by him, it feels like every year. It's not Kyle Shannon's been in the league for two years, like this has been a long track record. He knows how to... Is it exploiting the weakness, you think? Exploiting the weakness.


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[Assistant] I've always heard the hardest part about being an offensive coordinator is the adjustment to play calling in the flow of the game. Like I was always like anybody could script the first 12 to 15 plays, but how you call it, especially if you're not up in the booth, is so difficult. And he's a master at that.


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[Assistant] There really is. One interesting thing I noticed on him is right now, like if Arizona traded him before June 1st, they'd be on the hook for over 21 million dollars in dead money. If they did it after June 1st, it's about 10.5. So the savings are significantly different. You're talking about about 9 million in savings compared to 19.5. So if they are gonna do this,


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[Assistant] Really benefits them to wait a couple more weeks. But I'm with you, Sims, that the problem with everybody loving the post-June 1st acquisitions or moves or waiting


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[Assistant] A lot of teams made their moves. They're up against it. They drafted their guys, they paid money in free agency, they're doing extensions. There's just not a lot of wiggle room out there when we get to June anymore.


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[Assistant] It feels like it probably would have gotten done or there would have been more chatter on it. Exactly, right, right. So, okay, this one from, uh, Memet underscore 305. What team, who didn't make the postseason last year, has the best shot of making it this year with the draft and free agency acquisitions they made?


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[Assistant] Uhm, okay, the contender Achilles Heels question. There really is. This is at underscore JJ John. He said, We're the biggest position group gaps on genuine contenders. For him, it's the Bill's cornerback and wide receiver group or Dallas' running backs. Ooh, okay.


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[Assistant] They drafted a couple later round guys for the interior and Scott Matlock from Boise State and Gerard Clark from Coastal Carolina, but I mean, once again, you're not expecting instant contributions from those guys.


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[Assistant] A lot of combo around two, two of these position groups going into the giraffe. The Bengals at tight end, and the Jets offensive line. Yeah, okay, and the Bengals- The thing is that the Bengals, like,


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[Assistant] I mean, they lost Juju, but sounds like they have high expec- expectations for Kidarius, Tony, and Rasheed Rice. Yeaah. I mean- They find a way! I don't- I don't- I mean- They still have MVS, they got plenty of receivers, I know, I'm not worried about that. Big changes at Tackle. Yeaah. I mean, they're gonna have- they bring in Donovan Smith. Yeaah. Uhm, they obviously signed Joann Taylor. Right.


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[Assistant] So, they did move on from Frank Clark, and he's still out there, who knows? I mean, I wouldn't rule it out entirely.


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[Assistant] I think so too. I mean, you look at it, it feels like after 12, which was Jameer Gibbs, who we both loved, it got kind of, you know, flat in the sense that these guys could be good players, but nobody's hyping them up as stars. Lucas Van Ness, Broderick Jones, Will MacDonald, like good players. But it was a different tier from Carter, from Skoronsky, from Gibbs and Bijan, you know.


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[Assistant] I still had 23 first round grades in this class. I always tell people like media grades are different than what the league is doing. The league is, they hate every single player. It's not what we're in the business of doing. I still thought it was a solid draft. I saw 23 players around like these guys can make a difference for a team. Sure. And I think that


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[Assistant] You know, some of the boring dra- boring draft, uh, narrative might have just been, like you said, Chris, about the coverage of, you had certain...


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[Assistant] Coverage stay away from the Jalen Carter's of the world, who in any other draft we would talk about like this is the biggest difference maker we've seen in years and things along the line. Yea, some of the stars had injury issues. That's very true.


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[Assistant] That's what we're saying here. Tripod 2X has a question on the Raiders. Would you say the Raiders are better or worse with swapping Derek Carr for Jimmy Garoppolo and Darren Waller for Michael Mayer, considering what McDaniels wants to do?


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[Assistant] I would agree. And the fact that you have Josh Jacobs coming back, you can lean on the run game for this team. I mean, we know the kind of threat Devonte Adams is. It just feels like that it was a really tough start for McDaniels there last year. But as much as, depends on Jimmy staying healthy, which is always that big if, as crazy it is to say, it does feel like


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[Assistant] Not to interrupt you, but as somebody listening at home, it's something I would want to know. Is it the verbiage? Is it what you're trying to do? Is it just getting the plays to the guys? Like, what is the transition where you're like, this is just totally different in a big hall?


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[Assistant] We got a little, uh, a couple questions hinting at 2024 NFL draft rate. Uh oh. We'll keep this one a little service level, but Steven Infamous asks, are there any prospects from next year's draft class that stood out as you were studying the prospects from this year's draft class?


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[Assistant] I was mind blown watching Penix and couldn't believe that, I mean, he didn't declare this year because I think he didn't get the feedback he was hoping for, which I think the NFL screwed that up, personally. I think they missed on him. I think they looked at all the injuries from Indiana.


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[Assistant] I think that he had to go back. I was shocked. Because if you put him in this draft, I thought he was a first-rounder. I really did. And he didn't get that, as far as I heard, he didn't get that feedback. And that's insane to me.


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[Assistant] So one will be from watching the Illinois defense. We watched the back end. You had Witherspoon, uh, Jertavious Martin and Sydney Brown all in the secondary. They have a defensive tackle up front. His last name is Newton. I don't want to butcher his first name. I think it's Jurjan, but last name's Newton.


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[Assistant] He'll be a stud defensive lineman. It's crazy the defense they had. I don't know. It really is. Just insane. So there's exciting talent already for next year. Of course this kind of leads me to the next question from Wes Krueger.


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[Assistant] He said, should teams tank for Caleb? And, uh, we have in the note here, Caleb Williams is minus 550 as the favorite to go first overall next year. Well, he's certainly gonna be


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[Assistant] It feels like he's poised to be that Trevor Lawrence where we're sitting here all summer, we expect him to go number one, and it's going to be hard for him to not go number one overall. Even with the Drake Mays, Marvin Harrison Jr., who, I mean, we could have like a Jamar Chase level wide receiver prospect in him. Definitely.


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[Assistant] This one on the Seahawks secondary from Sean, uh, Bodhain. He said, on paper, how does the Seahawks secondary compare to some of the best DB rooms in the last 10 years? The only thing that I can, that can hold back this group is health. That's a big if. Quandre Diggs, Jamal Adams, Julian Love, Tariq Wolin, Devin Witherspoon, Mike Jackson Sr., and Kobe Bryant. That is stacked.


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[Assistant] This one from Trinsanity51, I know you're not in love with passer rating, QBR, and most quarterback grading systems. What are some quarterback stats that you use in your analysis? I ask this realizing that the tape trumps all.


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[Assistant] I like that, Sims. I think a lot of, and you kinda pointed this out, a lot of quarterback metrics favor guys that play safe.


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[Assistant] We got a Marte Mappu question, obviously Patriots draft pick this year. This is from Brian Shaw. Marte Mappu, please educate people why he's such a nice fit for the Patriots. Y'all's thoughts on his selection at 76. For those that don't know,


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[Assistant] Yeah, Mappu is the guy that he, despite his size, he'll take on contacts. Definitely. No fear. No fear.


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[Assistant] For those that don't know, Mopu had a crazy process. Sac State was really good this year. He goes to the NFLPA bowl.


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[Assistant] He's the best player on the field of those practices. Gets the call up to the senior bowl. Same. He gets called up to the senior bowl. I thought he was the best player on those practices. And I'm like, okay, why isn't this guy at the combine? And good for the Patriots for seeing the talent not caring about the lack of combine. They don't care. Taking them top. I think they actually like that. They do. Right? It's like, oh, we're a little smarter than you.


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[Assistant] It did feel that way. Another Patriots question. Keith Hart asked, Hey Chris, love the show. As a Pats fan, I just want to know, where are you with Mac? Still a believer? Was it all on him last year or were coaching slash other circumstances to blame? I am still a believer in Mac.


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[Assistant] What are some things you think Bill O'Brien can do for him that'll kinda get him closer to the flashes we saw as a rookie?


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[Assistant] And it's pretty tough to just go to halftime and completely flip the script on that, right? When people always say halftime adjustments, like how overrated is that thought considering the time you have?


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[Assistant] RealestTruth85 asked, with the Jets getting Rogers, is this the end for Zach Wilson in New York? They kept him, but his situation appears very similar to Jordan Love all of a sudden. Do you think Zach can really put it all together? Love the pod always since BR and Lefkoe days. Thank you, buddy. Appreciate that.


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[Assistant] This next one, an Aaron Rodgers question from HockeyTown71. What are your realistic projections for Rodgers this year in New York? Rodgers last year, 26 touchdowns, 12 picks, uh, about 3,700 passing yards. Eh, it's funny you call that a down year, but by Aaron Rodgers' standards, that was a down year. Definitely a down year. Worst year of his career.


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[Assistant] Their win total set at nine and a half. If you go over that, obviously minus 130 to make the playoffs minus 160. So BenMGM is expecting the Jets to make the playoffs. To win the AFC East, not so much, plus 225. To win the AFC, plus 800. To win the Super Bowl,


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[Assistant] The Jets do have the fourth best odds to win the AFC behind Kansas City, of course. They're plus 330. The Bengals are plus 500. Buffalo's plus 500, uh, plus 500. And then you have Miami and Jacksonville after them at plus 1200. Their team is better than Buffalo. It's just they got Josh Allen. And he can win you any game.


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[Assistant] That's Connor. That's pretty nice. The Jets can't let you down for once in that scenario. It's nice. We'll find a way. Simply download the BetMGM app today or go to BetMGM.com and enter bonus code SIMS to make your first wager risk free.


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[Assistant] Up to one thousand dollars. Alright Sims, we've got a couple more questions here. Alright, before we get out of here, we are not done. We are on the rookie train here with the Saints. Kendra Miller, Victor Tosi asked,


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[Assistant] Thoughts on Kendrick Miller to the Saints? I found it kind of interesting they drafted a, uh, I don't want to say bruiser, but definitely an in-between the tackles runner considering the running back roster they have.


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[Assistant] He's probably your early down. Jamal, you could throw out there on third downs in goal line, but- I think that's what- I feel he-


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[Assistant] We'll close here on a fun one, this is from Lee Dale, UK. Hey guys, thanks for all the great draft insights. Chris, are you cheating on Ahmed on a regular basis now? When will you give us what we all want? A threesome. Oh, I've been waiting, that's right.


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[Assistant] Dude, no sweat, it's always a blast. I appreciate you guys having me. A lot of fun, uh, and I'm excited to see the outrage you cause with the top 40 quarterback.


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[Assistant] He's like, and one day I was like, wait, why do you call me crab meat every day? I don't get it. And he's like, cause you're a bottom feeder right now, man. You're a bottom feeder. And I was like, damn, I am a bottom feeder right now.


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[Assistant] Oh yeah, baby, that's what's up. I don't know why I just said it like that. I stumbled on my words. It's Monday. I'm a little tired, alright?


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[Assistant] I feel like I'm still a bottom feeder, alright. Maybe I've like upgraded from like a crab and like now maybe I'm lobster or something like that. You know, you've never been that. You've always been swimming in, you've always been swimming in clean water.


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[Assistant] They are expensive, yea. It's like crab meat, it's like that's an expensive kind of meat. I'm not a crab guy, I will say that. I like stone crabs. They're a little less crabby, for whatever reason. King crab? Those, like that I've never been into. Soft shell crab, you know.


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[Assistant] Crab cakes. Crab is one thing, like, where I was never a big seafood guy, but I got into it more as I got older, and crab's one that I'm not big into. I just, I can't do it. There's something about the smell and texture that just doesn't hit home.


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[Assistant] I mean, at one point, what's funny and where like life is, right? Where, I mean, crabs and lobsters were poor man's food when you look back 100, 150 years ago. Is that true? 100%.


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[Assistant] And then somewhere in the last, I wanna say, cause I saw something on this in the last year, like an article, so I'm butchering the facts to a degree. But yea, it was poor man's food, and then somewhere in the last hundred years, I wouldn't think maybe even less than that, I've been 70, it became like a delicacy. And it became all of a sudden this thing that was, you know,


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[Assistant] Cleaning up the bottom of the floor of the ocean, everybody wanted a taste of it.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I was like, man, was it the 1920s when like it became like, I feel like it was a little later than that, so I overstated that 100. I felt like the 50s were more on cue. No one's gonna believe this if I say the 1920s, 1950s, that's a more


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[Assistant] He's a natural on TV, right? That's the one thing that came across to me. It was the first time seeing him really in live action. I see him on a few other things or whatever, you know, before he got here. But yeah, you could tell like he's not nervous. He's never searching for words. He's well thought out. He knows the game. He loves the game. He worked at it.


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[Assistant] You know, I've known about him since he was in high school. Uhm, so yeaah, it's great to have him.


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[Assistant] To have that guy that's that current in the NFL and is gonna be able to tell you little specific things of the last few years about how his team game planner viewed this aspect of another team. That was the thing that was very specific.


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[Assistant] Instances, players, situations. Yeah, he, he's, I mean, that's right up my, I mean, I'm gonna be picking his brain on certain things like that all year. And I love fanboying, fanboying out. Yeah. I do. I love hearing about stories that


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[Assistant] You know, hey, I know a little bit about it, but don't know the details or I heard this and, you know, or just being curious and going, why did you do this or that? And, uh, yeah, he has a rhyme or reason for everything. And of course he spent his, his life as the majority of his adult life around Bill Belichick. And, uh, of course you're going to learn football. It's going to rub off on you.


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[Assistant] I mean, it was a great weekend. It was a long weekend. I mean, I was in, you know, Canton from Tuesday to Sunday. Um, had a blast. I really did. Uh, the game itself?


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[Assistant] Oh, first off, both teams looked apart, right? You know how I came back last year and I was like, whoa, Trevor Lawrence, whoa, the Jaguars. For real. Right? They're for real. They look for real. Like, I didn't know if it meant playoff, but I went, they have the pieces, and nobody's gonna like, you know, uh, like, totally outclass them, as I always say.


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[Assistant] I feel the same way with Cleveland and the Jets. Now they're not like as big as I would say the Jaguars were last year. There's a little bit of a mix and a blend here with these type of teams of size and the right spots and they believe in some speed aspects too to where they might be smaller in some spots than some other teams in football or whatever else.


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[Assistant] You know, I think the one thing that's like totally apparent right off the bat was just the quarterback stuff, right?


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[Assistant] I would say so, right? I mean, I was the only one that had Zach Wilson won. I think most of the community had him as two. It wasn't like I was that far of a reach, but I did like him, you know, more than Trevor there.


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[Assistant] Uh, Kellen Mann, certainly. And hey, you know, I'll sit here and tell you, you know, I'm wrong about Kellen Mann. I mean, I'm wrong. You know, it doesn't look like it's going in the right direction right now. I even saw yesterday, I was


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[Assistant] Out freezing cold takes for, hey woah, you got Kyle and Mond in the, you know, in the third round. What a steal, right? So yeaah, I'm gonna eat that one.


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[Assistant] You know, were there things about his game that I liked coming out? Certainly. You know, it's hard. You try to piece things together. I didn't know him, but from his game, there were some things that I liked that I went, ooh, you can build on that, and this could be something in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Uhm, from the pregame, watching them all, right? They all can throw it and spin it.


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[Assistant] Right, Kellen Mon, what I think we've talked about on this pod a little bit before, he doesn't let it go to his capabilities, right? That's the first thing, and that's what you saw during the game too. There's a little bit of a...


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[Assistant] Robotic-ness to his game within the pocket. And then, you know, the throwing to me, it's like he's still like learning football. Like he's not comfortable just letting it go or what he's seeing.


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[Assistant] I mean, DTR, neither one of them are real big guys, right? They're both slight of frame. DTR has a way in which he handles himself where you look at him and go, ooh, he's very confident in his abilities. You see that warming up.


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[Assistant] Throws the ball really well. And then, what you saw in the game,


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[Assistant] There's a guy that's just a natural at playing football, and...


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[Assistant] That's what the Browns have been seeing from him too. I had a few people there tell me, go, hey, he knows how to play. He's been impressive in camp, right?


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[Assistant] You know, don't be shocked if he beats out Kellenmond and stuff like that.


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[Assistant] And then of course you see the game and he looks like he's on his way to doing that with Kellerman not playing great. And DTR, you know, looking very comfortable for a rookie in his first start.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but yeaah, I like the prospects of DTR. Got to see Deshaun Watson, so impressive looking at him as a person. I mean gosh, he's a specimen, right? He's as tall as me, he's got more muscles than me, you know. I'm excited for him, and they're excited for him. You know, that was the one thing with both franchises is


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[Assistant] There's, there's a little bit of the puffing the chest out right now because they go, where are we, you know, hey, our team's good, but the quarterback is...


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[Assistant] Is gonna make the team look even better, right? And I think that Cleveland, there's a very strong sense that you're gonna get back the old Deshaun Watson, right? And then Aaron Rodgers, I mean, it's, it's a ridiculous love fest. It's a, I mean, one, you know, you could tell he's happy as hell, right?


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[Assistant] Alright, and the team is in awe of him. There's never been a guy like this here since Brett Farr. Like a true franchise. I'm gonna take over the


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[Assistant] And, and I know everybody goes, well all quarterbacks are like that. No, there's a difference in the ones that are the ones. There's a difference, right? And I think they're all.


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[Assistant] Through all aspects, like wow, right? I talked to Zach Wilson a little bit when he came out. Well hold on, before you go away from Aaron Rodgers. I know I'm jumping all over there. Dig me out here. We'll get to Zach Wilson. I skipped over and I wanted to get back, my bad. Did you get to talk to Aaron Rodgers at all? I did, I did.


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[Assistant] You know, one, I, hey, shaking people, hey, whatever, blah, blah, blah. I know a lot of people on both coaching staff saying hi, blah, blah, blah. And of course anybody with the jets.


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[Assistant] You know, eight always comes up. Well, now we got eight and we got eight and we're Rogers.


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[Assistant] You know, I mean, I got one coach who's like, I mean, I literally have, one coach goes, I literally got to stop myself every day from just like going over there and asking for his autograph, like every day. You know, which is so funny to hear, you know, cause the NFL is not like that generally, right? It's very like, you know, as we talk about military, you know, this is what you do, take your orders, we're on a mission. And,


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[Assistant] You know, I just think there's guys there that have just, they've been part of football a long time, but when you're around.


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[Assistant] There's just a difference, and real football guys, it doesn't matter how much you're around it.


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[Assistant] Like, he's like, he's probably sick of me cause I'm like the guy that just like comes out of nowhere and just is like, Hey, what's up? And he's like, I think he was like looking at me in the corner of his eye, like, who is this yet loud person walking up on me? And I want to be like, it's me, the big mouth.


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[Assistant] Jersey guy, right? That's been giving you all the praise all these years, whatever. So we said hi, whatever. He's great. You could tell he's extremely happy.


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[Assistant] Here's the thing that really jumped out to me about Aaron Rodgers. I made fun of him like two weeks ago, maybe three weeks ago, when he took pictures in the old Jets throwbacks they're gonna wear, right? Because I was like, damn, he looks skinny. Right? I said that to him.


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[Assistant] I'm watching practice last week and they're in full pads and I'm going, damn, he looks thick. And I'm like, what is it? It must be the pads or whatever.


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[Assistant] But so, you know me, I mean, I'm checking guys' bodies out, whatever, out there. Aaron Rodgers, I don't care who you are, I'm looking at your legs, your ass, your arms, whatever. Part of the scouting process. Right, part of the scouting process. So I go over to him and I go, damn! I go, you look like you...


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[Assistant] You're jacked, like, you put on weight. I was like, I was making fun of you on TV for how skinny you were two weeks ago. And he goes, I was, I was skinny. He goes, I just, you know, I got back, I was in shape or whatever else, but I just, I've been lifting a little bit more.


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[Assistant] That's rare for quarterbacks, right? Right? And yeah, he's a kind of a freak. I mean, there's a reason he could run four or five and can dunk and do all those kinds of things, right? Because he's got some muscle structure to him that's like legit. It's more twitchy than your normal average, you know, pocket passing quarterback. And yeah, I don't know how much he weighed.


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[Assistant] Right? He told me training camp he started at 210. I'm gonna say he was somewhere in the mid-220s, but like no fat and rocked up. I mean, and he's just, he could, he's probably one of those guys who could be as muscular as he wants, really. Uh, that's the kind of athlete he is. And, uh, yeah, he was great, but, but yeah, they're, they're, they're in awe of him.


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[Assistant] And, uh, that goes even to Zach Wilson included. Right? So you took, you're taking the L.


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[Assistant] I'm not giving up on Zach Wilson. I'm not saying I'm taking an L there yet, alright? Have I lost in the...


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[Assistant] Should Trevor Lawrence have been one at that point? Okay, sure. Right? But I'm not giving up on it. I mean, first off, when you watch him in warm-ups,


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[Assistant] I mean, his, it's special the way he throws the ball. It is. The way he can move and shuffle and pop his feet and do all that. I mean, it's up there with, you know, the top tier throwers of football.


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[Assistant] And, and you know, you see that in the game when he uncorks the bomb down the left sideline and throws it 60 something yards in the air like no problem. It was like no problem. It was like no problem, right. Uhm, yeaah, so he looked really good. And he said something interesting to me, right?


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[Assistant] You know, one, he knows I support him a little bit. I think he's appreciative of that, so he's willing to talk to me a little bit.


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[Assistant] And he's just, I was like, so how's it going? He's like, man, it's, it's been great. He, he laughed and he's like, dude, he's like, Aaron Rodgers is like so nice to me. He's like, he's like, I mean, he's like so nice to me. He's like, he doesn't even have to be that nice to me. And he's that nice to me. And so you could tell he was really grateful for that. Right. And then, um,


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[Assistant] He kind of just kind of went into a little bit like, you know, hey, I've been able to recalibrate. He's like, you know, I got so lost in my own mind and you know, as a young quarterback, you're worried about results and offense and all that. He's like, he said this straight out. He just goes, it's almost like I forgot how to throw the football even to that, you know, that's what he was saying.


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[Assistant] With all the other stuff, it's like I forgot how to throw the football, my mechanics, you know, and things we talked about at the end of last year. And so he realizes what went on and I think this is


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[Assistant] He is an expert in the west coast offense. His dad was taught by Bill Walsh. So their, their belief and the core beliefs of Bill Walsh and the timing of the feet and the rhythm of that and how you time it up with the routes you're throwing.


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[Assistant] And balancing that together is where they are perfect. And that's where Nathaniel Hackett.


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[Assistant] I've told you this before, you know, with his, his dad.


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[Assistant] He's gonna get everybody on the same page, all because through the lens of the timing and the rhythm of the quarterback, right? Like if Joe Montana took a seven step drop,


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[Assistant] Make this point in the offseason a little bit, the ex-quarterback for the Chiefs and 49ers, right?


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[Assistant] Think about what, you know, Zach Wilson's got talent, right? He didn't get to play a ton in college, but he played a good amount. He went to a team that had an offensive coordinator who never called plays before in the NFL. And this was his first job in the New York media market with a second year quarterback, I mean a second pick of the draft quarterback, and a rookie head coach.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think, I think so. I think the encouraging thing for the Jets


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[Assistant] You know, I know Mackay only played a little bit, but at least he played Mackay-Beckton, right? He adds tremendous size to their overall look, right? You know, they're very happy with Quentin Williams and where that's going. But I think it's some of the like, hey, Will McDonald, the first round pick.


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[Assistant] There's buzz about him from everybody. I'm gonna give you a W on that one. A trending W on that one too. It seems like it. And the other guy that there was buzz with is Jermaine Johnson. Our guy that they drafted in the first round from Florida State last year.


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[Assistant] A lot of praise to him and what he was doing. And it sounds like McDonald's going the right way here too, but, uh, yeaah. There's an energy about them. And what makes them, I didn't get to see Garrett Wilson, but I've seen him before. You know, like I said, they have some big people, but what makes them a little different looking too is,


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[Assistant] Alizard's a big receiver. Corey Davis is a much bigger human being than you think. Sauce Gardener, woah, right? So they got some guys at some skill positions that, you know, kinda pop up too who are big for that size, or big for that position, that, you know, catches your eye.


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[Assistant] It certainly does. Uh, and you know, like I said, Cleveland...


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[Assistant] Same type of thing. It wasn't all their starters out there and everything, but a lot of good looking guys in pregame war. And you know, you look at Elijah Moore, he's on a mission. David Njoku, he's on a mission. Getting to see, you know, Nick Chubb in person.


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[Assistant] Whoo! Man, legs and ass, right? Uhm, but they were both...