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[Assistant] Well yeaah. Once you're in the cap situation, you have to hit on your picks. And you know what? The same thing could be said for the Texans. Now they had more draft capital, but look at the draft the Texans had.


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[Assistant] We need a draft like the Rams have had the last couple years, like the Texans had last year. We need that from our front-off. Those are unusual. It is hard to do, but you know what?


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[Assistant] I always think a part of these questions, uhm, is are you prepared to lose that player to a division rival? And the thought of Nick Cho being with Joe Burrow.


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[Assistant] Or a Pittsburgh Steelers uniform. Or with Lamar Jackson. Literally, I can feel the vomit creeping up my throat. So, I just, you, you.


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[Assistant] And I just, I just can't imagine seeing him in another team. No, that can't happen. Mary Kay, uh, obviously, and I think if maybe I'm wrong, if I am, tell me. I think, uh, this off season's defensive line from last year is wide receiver. Andrew Berry has got to address that position and I think it's the biggest area of need.


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[Assistant] How do they fix it? We just named some of the free agents. We know that their track record of drafting wide receivers is abysmal. It's not even bad, it's abysmal. So what do they do this offseason to fix that position?


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[Assistant] Retail moves quick, man. They don't mess around. The day after Thanksgiving, it's Christmas. The day after Halloween, it's Christmas everywhere.


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[Assistant] I would rate him slightly below, I would say at the top tier of the second half of the league.


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[Assistant] When they traded for him, I was 50% sure that he could get to a Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Cause that guy, to me, that wasn't a trade to get to the playoffs. That trade was to win a Super Bowl. Yes. We all agree that, and that record will never be changed. Yep. We got to the playoffs with one guy.


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[Assistant] Given the quarterbacks in the AFC, given his baggage, and given the fact that he never really had team success in Houston, I think it's a 50-50 shot. Okay.


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[Assistant] That's fair. But I never had him as a top five quarterback. I just didn't.


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[Assistant] He led the league. He led the league. Understood. I'm results oriented. I want wins and stats. Well, he won regular season games the first few years there. I want playoffs. You always say the regular season means nothing in this league. It's about the playoffs. So is Lamar Jackson top five? Nope. Okay. Right now, I think he's playing at an MVP level. Well, he's gonna win it.


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[Assistant] I think he is going to win it. Although, you know what? No, I don't think he's going to win it. I still think there's a bias against Lamar Jackson. Who's going to win it? Well, he won it already. Who's going to win it? No, I mean this year. I mean based on his play this year. If he doesn't win it.


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[Assistant] All of the detractors are waiting to see what happens in that first playoff game.


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[Assistant] And the second playoff game, because it's not just good enough to win one. That's true. You've got the one seed. You have to play in the ANC Championship game this year. Period.


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[Assistant] So for me, I thought it was a 50-50 proposition Deshaun Watson could get us to a Super Bowl. Okay, that's fair.


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[Assistant] And I still am. Then, he played six games.


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[Assistant] Showed me absolutely nothing in those 6 games. So you went down to like 10. No, I went down to like 30. Okay.


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[Assistant] Because, now that's who you are now. I need to see greatness recently, not past. You know, no. Because, I saw greatness from Baker here, and then I saw trash, and we moved on him.


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[Assistant] It was trash. Okay. And then we got to see him this year.


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[Assistant] The man, you know, the manufacturer suggests retail price. Right. Nowhere near that, but he got me to work. He just didn't do it in style.


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[Assistant] But he was, he was 7 touchdowns, 4 picks, 4-1 record, 5-1 technically, but he did get, should get no credit for that Colts game. Yeaah. But I count him at 4-1. Better. So I'm gonna move up from the 30 to like 40.


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[Assistant] That can move dramatically if he does one thing. If he, and I want to hear him say this.


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[Assistant] I watched Joe Flacco operate in Kevin Stefanski's offense.


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[Assistant] And I know that that isn't my comfort level, but after watching it for six games, seven games, I think I can do that.


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[Assistant] I will be better at that than Joe Flacco was. He will be. I believe he can be.


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[Assistant] But that's the big elephant in the room right now. If we come back next year and we see him never under center.


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[Assistant] And the biggest weapon in this Stefanski offense is inexplicable, I mean, inarguably to me, the play fake.


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[Assistant] Right, I get it. Those are the answers to someone that's fine with where you are. Cause that's status quo.


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[Assistant] Joe Burrow going out for the season. How good are the Bengals if Joe Burrow doesn't go down? I mean they were still good.


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[Assistant] You don't want to say that Amari is better than Chase. You're saying, oh, if you swap Chase with Cooper, he burrows trash.


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[Assistant] Oh, so Chase didn't catch any deep balls?


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[Assistant] I said he hasn't had playoff success. And by that I mean look, playoff success isn't winning one game. Playoff success to me is a playoff run that goes deeper than the divisional round.


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[Assistant] So I don't know what he's gonna look like in those situations. And because of that, I want to bring him back. Look, they made a mistake in letting him go the first time.


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[Assistant] They made it good because no one else picked them up. If you were to ask the Browns this year, were you happy with the production Kareem Hunt gave you for the price tag he had? I am telling you they were.


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[Assistant] I'm out. No, I'm out too. I was curious to see what you were going to say. I thought you said bring him back. I'm out on him. But although I think Hickman took a step back for me in the playoff game, I,


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[Assistant] My opinion of him came down a little bit and part of the reason you can move on from McCloud was that I thought Hickman was a hit. They got him as a free agent and I think because of that they're gonna keep him and McCloud I think is expendable.


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[Assistant] I don't want to go too deep into it, but how much did it play into the fact that CJ Stroud beat him the way he did, that he saw him in practice every day, he knows his tendencies.


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[Assistant] Two were Buckeyes, one was a Michigan guy. The Michigan guy was the only one that did his job.


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[Assistant] Takitaki yes, Anthony Walker no. I'm with you on that.


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[Assistant] Elliot, I bring back the other two. Bye bye. Time is the same boat.


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[Assistant] I do have conversations with him, and if he's... if he's...


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[Assistant] Open to some of the things that I would need him to be open to, I bring him back. The one thing I will say, and I love Jason, everybody knows that, it's a loser's mentality to say,


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[Assistant] I'm afraid to bring this guy back because he might upset some of our princesses.


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[Assistant] A loser's mentality is, do we want to bring him back because it might upset some other players? He's not a disruptive force. In fact, we saw, he was a unifier.


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[Assistant] You're right, it's in some places. Not four or five. Would that happen in Cincinnati? There were cowboy fans screaming to get, to bench Dak during the playoff game. What about? Screaming to bench him.


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[Assistant] Well, and maybe you're right, maybe you're right, but here's the point I really need to make. Yes. The fact that you won't be the, as, here's what the Browns owe the fans, okay? You have to be as good at every position as you possibly can.


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[Assistant] So tell me who's the better backup quarterback they're gonna bring in here.


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[Assistant] And you know what? I wouldn't. Here's the thing. He's going to give you those moments. I understand that if, and we don't want to play this game because it might come true, but you, if you learn nothing else from this year, you better have


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[Assistant] But by the way, the experience thing for me, I heard general managers saying that Joe Flacco still throws the prettiest ball in the NFL.


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[Assistant] But here's the thing, Ty, I really think that what I'm trying to do as a team, I thought about this the other day. My two favorite teams in all the world.


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[Assistant] So you're not counting the Cavs? So, no, because they're not my, they're not at that level. My third favorite team is Ohio State football and then the Cavs.


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[Assistant] And both of them, both of them have given me championships. But my two favorite teams are 0 and 116. So here's what I'm demanding as a fan. You better get better.


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[Assistant] You have to do better. And not just for me. This city deserves better. By the way, what are you counting from?


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[Assistant] As fans, we have to demand better from our owners. That's right. We have to demand better. And I am demanding better. And this would not be an acceptable move. You know, even though he galvanized the team, and even though he's the best available at that position, QB2.


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[Assistant] We're gonna get rid of him because there might be some fe-feathers ruffled. No!


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[Assistant] I mean I don't want to get too far down the path, but I wrote basically that the Browns, they traded you, their franchise quarterback, and they made it back to the playoffs and won a playoff game and won their division before you did. It's embarrassing.


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[Assistant] Oh my god in heaven, I missed that day. Oh, I'd have thrown something through the teeth. I said at the time.


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[Assistant] I mean, I have the bedside manner of a construction worker. I'm aware of that. So, it is what it is. I don't really care.


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[Assistant] Playing well. 15-19, 172 yards in the touchdown. Yeah. Quarterback rated 121. Like Flacco, the pick sixes were devastating. That's not, he, he, I want to be careful how I say it.


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[Assistant] He was trying to throw it away and it was terrible. The pick sixes are why they are a huge reason why they lost. Joe Flacco is not why they lost. The defense is why they lost. Does that make sense?


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[Assistant] I think that's silly. That's just silly. You can't pretend to be something you're not. And when you talk about being the fire emotional guy.


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[Assistant] Well I don't want them to pretend to be something they're not because you're really gonna get in trouble if you start...


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[Assistant] Going down those types of roads. I've said from day one with miles, if you want to lead, then lead.


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[Assistant] And, you know, people want to throw tomatoes at me for the OTA's thing, but, and I'm not saying that has anything to do with Sarah, obviously it does not. But I go back to the conversation I had with him, where he watched The Last Dance and he loved it, he was mesmerized by Michael, he was mesmerized by the way that he led, and he wanted to lead.


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[Assistant] If you're going to lead, lead. That means showing up to everything. That means taking the blame at the podium on Saturday. Like you said, stand there and saying, I wasn't good enough, that's on me. You don't skirt the blame. Greg Newsom did the same thing. No, you stand up there and you say, I wasn't good enough. I wasn't good enough.


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[Assistant] Put this on me. That's what you do as a leader. And then you go out the next time and you're better.


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[Assistant] And throughout the whole second half of the season, and I, I still think this is true. I don't want to get lost in the emotion of a loss where you say, well, Miles has doubled more than anybody else. And you know, look at the advanced metrics. Those are all true. It's all, that's still true. What's also still true is that the numbers still went down, whether it was the shoulder, whether it was something else.


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[Assistant] I've said in the past, I felt like there's nothing left to play for in Cleveland by the time you get to December. It's just hard to keep yourself engaged. That certainly wasn't the case this year.


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[Assistant] We don't know how much the shoulder had to do with it, if it really was the injury. Whatever the reason is, right there's the evidence. Mike's got it on the screen and it happened again this year, whereas the season went on the last few weeks, the numbers didn't support everything else.


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[Assistant] I couldn't believe how slow they looked defensively in that entire game.


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[Assistant] You know, Mary Kay mentioned last night we were on, uh, Mary Kay and I did uh,


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[Assistant] channel three's wrap up show. Thank you. And Mary Kay said, you know, she thought something had to do with the fact that look at the quarterbacks that the Browns played at home versus on the road. And I think there's a little bit of merit to that. Burrow was heard at home. Clayton Toon was here. Simeon was here. You know, they had a lot of, of lower end quarterbacks at home and they had, you know, I mean, Lamar Jackson.


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[Assistant] They did have Brock Purdy at home. That was like the last really good one that I went back and saw. There were some injuries there. And that's why I'm saying, there's not just one definitive answer or else the Browns would have figured it out and solved it. You know, when Trevor Lawrence was here, he was beat up and on one leg and although he played better than I thought that he would, he moved better than I thought that he would here. But I don't think that there's one


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[Assistant] specific answer of this is why. Right. Because the Browns are well aware of it too, and Kevin was asked about it yesterday, he's like, you gotta give me some time on that one. Like, you gotta pull that apart and look at that. I think the real question


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[Assistant] Yeah, I thought they were going to the Super Bowl. But also, I think it's really important to stress, like, he had two bad throws, and they were really bad throws, but I really don't think Flacco played all that terrible. Like, go back, again, look at the first half. He had a terrific first half. It was overshadowed a little bit by what they did defensively in the second, or in how many points they were giving up.


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[Assistant] The worst throw was the first pick sticks. And we talked about, I already mentioned, he thought he was trying to get it out of balance, he was trying to throw it away, and he just didn't have the arm strength to do it, and it was a horrible throw.


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[Assistant] The second pick six was to me more a result of just the, you know, normally you'd punt that away. It's fourth and long. Early third quarter, you punt that away, or mid third quarter I guess by that point.


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[Assistant] But because the situation in the game, because you're down 17 and you're running out of possessions and you can't stop them on the other side,


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[Assistant] You have to go for it. I don't think that's a bad decision at all to go for that. And, but it's a fourth down play, now you're trying to force something, now it's just, it gotta have it, you gotta try and get something out of it. Certainly can't take a sack there, and then look what happens, it's a second pick six. So, I don't think, yes, like,


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[Assistant] It all came crashing back to Earth. Yes, it did. But I still don't think that he was like this terrible, awful performance out of him. I thought he was still pretty good actually. I did too. He was great.


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[Assistant] The second one was. I didn't think the first one was.


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[Assistant] So 17 didn't feel like the end of me. 24 was the end. The second pick 6, it was over. I still didn't think it was over.


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[Assistant] It was, but it's a fourth down. He's under pressure. It's fourth and long. Like, I don't blame him.


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[Assistant] What do you want? I'd love to see that play again. Like, what do you want him to do? It's fourth in forever.


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[Assistant] Last off season, Joel had a ton of injuries this year. Conklin got the extension. Conklin got the extension. I don't know if he'll ever play again. You're on the hook for 15 million for Wills for next year. So there's not a lot of outs here.


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[Assistant] Uh, and you know, Dewan Jones was far better than I think we thought that he could be as a fourth round pick. I, I said all along it wasn't the...


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[Assistant] Physical ability, it was the maturity level. Well, he grew up quite a bit as the year went on as he was out there, but the question now is, when he's massive, can his frame hold up over an NFL season? Can his knees support how big he is over an NFL season? So there's a lot of concerns with that offensive line.


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[Assistant] Wyatt hurt himself again in this game. Antonio. Joel had a, it's incredible that Joel, I was talking to Joel after the game, the fact that he played through that game with a high ankle sprain. High ankle sprain. It was unbelievable.


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[Assistant] For Joel and Wyatt, the guards particularly to play through some of the stuff that they went through this year and some of the injuries they had.


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[Assistant] Mike said, I was texting with my people yesterday. These guys are warriors, man. The way that these guys keep, I remember I talked to Wyatt the one time. He's like, I can't leave the game. Like no matter what happens when they were really out of linemen, he's like, it was basically down to him. He said, it doesn't matter what happens to me. I can't leave. I have to stay in the game.


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[Assistant] Not because of one game. And, and Stroud's numbers were terrific and he played great and all credit to him. He was special. I'm not taking anything away from it. The only point I'm making is the Browns didn't make it very hard on him. He was never under pressure. He was thrown to wide open guys, wide open guys. It's never that he had to fit tough passes into tight windows. It was


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[Assistant] Going back to the original question, did you change your mind on experience? No, I don't. I still think experience matters. I think CJ played great. I think he's a very special quarterback. I'm not taking anything away from him.


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[Assistant] The only point I'm making is the Browns didn't exactly make life hard on him. At what point did they have him under pressure? At what point did they have him feeling them? At what point did they have him making really hard throws into tight coverage?


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[Assistant] For the most part, I thought he just did whatever he wanted to do back there. And that was disappointing to see from the Brown side. And I'm not saying he couldn't do it under pressure. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying from what we saw, Brown's gonna make life very hard on CJ astrology.


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[Assistant] They're likely going on, they're likely going on the road now. Don't keep going outside. You know, see what the weather's like if it's, uh, Buffalo.


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[Assistant] If it was a bad thing to rest, guys, then they wouldn't give teams a first round bye. They'd make them play. You know, if you're a first round seed and you want to play, you want to rest, especially at this point in the season. The best thing you can do is get these guys off their feet. I told you.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's, we're, I don't want to go too far down this hole, but we're running out of ways to get guys on the ground. I understand that. We can't do the hip drop tackle, we can't hit them in the knee, we can't hit them in the head. How are we supposed to, how are these, especially like on those types of plays where it's a receiver over the middle.


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[Assistant] I don't understand where these guys are supposed to hit them now. So I see both sides. Obviously you don't want injuries. Obviously you don't want these guys getting their knees taken out. We saw it with Minka and Nick Chubb. You don't want that. Clearly you don't want that. But on the flip side, I just don't know where some of these defensive guys are supposed, how you're supposed to get them down.


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[Assistant] Casario? Casario. He was under fire not that long ago. Which is funny. Big time. Well, I mean, they've had three coaches in three years. They had the Deshaun mess. They got sued by 30 women. Like, this is not a high functioning organization. They've been awful.


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[Assistant] Not now. No, but I'm just saying this isn't that long ago. This is very much a dysfunctional organization that got bailed out by a terrific head, a terrific young quarterback and what looks to be a pretty good coach. Yeah, right. By the way,


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[Assistant] They had a fourth and goal on Tennessee in week 18. All Lawrence has to do is get the ball over the goal line. Now they gotta make the two point conversion after that and who knows after that, but I mean they should have beat Tennessee in week 18 and then the Browns are going to Jacksonville and I'm thoroughly, although if they played like that, who knows, but I totally believe they probably beat Jacksonville.


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[Assistant] I'm not so sure that there wasn't some help with that.


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[Assistant] There was not the interest there. The lower bowl was packed, but like the middle row and the uppers, there was a lot of empty seats.


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[Assistant] Zach and I looked at each other early on and we're like, and Zach was the first one that said, there's no way this crowd's making that noise. There's no way. Wow, that's really disappointing.


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[Assistant] I would like to see the Bills. Can Houston beat those teams? Yes. Do I think they will? No.


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[Assistant] I don't see that. The Browns have accomplished nothing. Like what, what do they have? What laurel do they have to rest on? Like there is nothing. No, I'm not saying it's warranted, but I'm saying I think that's what happened. I disagree. I don't think so only because.


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[Assistant] I don't, it's just a bad day. It happens, it's a bad day. It's not an excuse. It's a bad day to have a bad day. It's a bad day to have a bad day. You're absolutely right. And it was, it was the effort more than anything. It just, it felt like guys, again, the Texans should not be that much faster than you.


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[Assistant] Their skill position guys are not that much faster than you. It looked like dudes were jogging out there. And that's the part that was so frustrating and infuriating to me.


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[Assistant] It just, it looked like it was effort, and the effort wasn't there. And I don't, I have no explanation, nobody does, for how you look like that in a playoff game. But I don't think it's, oh well we beat these guys on Christmas Eve, so we got this. Like, I don't think that was it at all. So.


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[Assistant] It was the second time this team has been in the playoffs in 20 years. So there's no reason for them to think that anything comes easier, we've got this. There's no reason to think that at all.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you and I did shows going into that 21 season. I remember we were both like, yeah, this team could play for the AFC championship game and Baker's one of those guys. Yeah, I think we did. I think we were. I'm trying to remember. I don't think I was as high as some of the teams. No, you were because I did shows with you. Alright, Jason's calling me out.


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[Assistant] And that's why I think I actually felt better 2020 going into 21 than I do now because I look at this and go, well, everyone's older. Everyone's all the key pieces are three, four years older. You're getting sort of that to that cliff. Well, you have some new key pieces, but a lot of offensive line is all older.


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[Assistant] I mean, Deshaun Watson has thrown for 2,000 yards over the last four years.


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[Assistant] Like three, well going into next year, it's four years since his last year. Sure. He missed all the 21. He threw for 1122 through for 1123.


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[Assistant] By the time we kick off next year, it'll have been four years since his last good year.


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[Assistant] He's been here for two years, and I know he had the suspension, he's had the injuries. Two years in Cleveland, he's had 2200 yards. Flacco in five games, 1600 yards.


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[Assistant] 2200 yards ish, 2217 I guess is the total.


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[Assistant] I don't think I even need a minute and a half, just really disappointed in just the effort defensively more than anything. I said earlier, I put 90% of the blame on the defense for that. Flacco wasn't great, but I don't blame him necessarily for the loss. It was a terrible throw on, on the first pick six and then things just snowballed on him from there.


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[Assistant] Uh, I do think that there's a lot to build off once we remove the emotion of this and get a little bit farther away from this.


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[Assistant] This is still a team that was really tough and really resilient and handled a lot of adversity this year and kept coming and kept coming and kept coming. And those are good things, those are good qualities to have in a team.


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[Assistant] To be able to say it doesn't matter who goes down, we can continue. We can still move forward for the locker room to believe that and say that is a really good thing. So, you know, do I feel as good now as I did in 2020? No, I don't. I probably felt better about them in 2020, but so what? What does that matter? Because it all unraveled anyway. Look how much different we are.


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[Assistant] In a spot now than we were back then. So a lot of questions about this team moving forward.


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[Assistant] A lot of questions about the age, some contract decisions that have to be made, and ultimately it comes down to Deshaun, in which everyone said it earlier, everyone is clinging to the second half, Deshaun, of, well there it is, there it is, and he, I mean, it showed unbelievable toughness to play through the injuries that he had, to come out and play as well as he did in that second half. Now he's got to do it for a whole game, and for a whole


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[Assistant] Next game, and the next game, and a month, and two months, and three months, and put the whole season together, because boy I agree with you, if it doesn't happen next year, now we're having the conversation of how do you get out of those last few years. And if you keep reworking the contract, and you keep kicking that down the road, it makes that divorce that much harder.


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[Assistant] There was a lot of empty seats in that middle row and that top and the bolt, the lower bolt was full, but the middle and the top, Zach Jackson, who I work with, the athletic, lifted each other like, it's awfully loud in here for as many seats as are open.


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[Assistant] And once again for all the talk of defense and obviously the Chiefs defense has been good this year and the Ravens defense has been sensational. It's all about the quarterbacks, the better quarterbacks. Sure, look at the ones that are left.


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[Assistant] Kansas City was the third seed also. I thought Buffalo ran the ball way too much. By the way, before, like, there's been crazy arguments on Twitter.


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[Assistant] This was the right day to do it, but Mike wants to move on and talk about the OC, but it's fine, it's fine, whatever.


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[Assistant] The only reason I pissed off the Baker people in the tweet, and by the way, during the game, if you looked at my Twitter, I was complimentary of Baker throughout the game. It was hard not to be. A handful of tweets where I thought he was playing very well.


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[Assistant] Then at the, at the end of the game I tweeted out because obviously all the Baker haters


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[Assistant] Uh, went bananas when he threw that last pick, sure. Uh, so I said even though Baker choked in the end, he had a tremendous season and was way better than Watson.


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[Assistant] That seems pretty obvious. You wouldn't know it was obvious based on the reaction I got.


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[Assistant] I obviously am not a big Baker fan. I try to be fair about it. Yes, there are times where I get into arguments and in the moment I'll be like, ah, Baker sucks.


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[Assistant] By the way, one other thing we have to note before we move on, it has nothing to do with Baker, I just happen to notice that G's got over 100 unread texts on his phone. Yeah, let me see. If I have one unread text, I lose my mind.


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[Assistant] Yeah, my first reaction was, well, this guy just got fired by Buffalo, and Buffalo's offense took off after that, but what I didn't look at really was, they just stopped turning the ball over after that. I don't know if that's Ken Dorsey's fault.


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[Assistant] Uh, statistically, if you look at the advanced stats on the Bills offense before and after, it wasn't significantly good or bad either way.


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[Assistant] He was no short thing coming out of college. No, but wasn't that mostly Brian Dable? I mean, he was the one that got the credit for it anyhow. I mean, I don't know. I mean, this guy was the quarterback coach. I mean.


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[Assistant] You know, Brian Dable got the credit. How, I mean, look at Brian Dable now. Is he getting credit now? People are crapping on him. Cause the Giants fell apart this year. So, I don't know. I never think one guy really gets all the credit. He's gotta get some level of it. Uh, I've never,


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[Assistant] And honestly, in this game, I thought last night that Bills had a terrible game plan. I thought they ran the ball too much. I thought they did too. It didn't make sense to me. I don't know what they were. I know they were trying to run clock against the Chiefs, but you know.


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[Assistant] Since the Browns offense was this year was really good in the fourth quarter.


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[Assistant] So, it, it's- That, guys, to me, that's a flashpoint. So, Deshawn's against that? Great success in the early game? We have to sound.


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[Assistant] I mean, I don't know. If that feels like he's, it's a complaint about every coach he's played for.


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[Assistant] But it wasn't this year. You could argue it was the first three years. But it wasn't this year.


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[Assistant] What are you doing? Well, obviously he's doing plenty, but we don't, just because we don't know exactly what he's doing, doesn't mean, they weren't paying the guy to sit on his hands all week. He got fired for winning 11 games. And ownership has decided to make him a scapegoat of some sort. Yes. And the running backs coach.


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[Assistant] What I don't understand is I'm sure every coach in the league has a game plan, a script of some sort.


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[Assistant] I, I, and I, I, I certainly could be wrong. I just assume that every coach has a game plan.


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[Assistant] I assume it's the case. Again, I don't know that for sure. I'd love to find out. I would too. I really would like to know that. Then, and Dachau doesn't like that, then maybe he's wrong. Maybe he needs to adjust. Possibly.


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[Assistant] He did play the game at a high level, so. Yeaah, that's a value. I mean, you know, I think there's some value in that. So did Stump Mitchell. I mean, if I were him, I'd rather take the Browns' job, but I mean, I don't know.


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[Assistant] For what it's worth, he was with Philly when they won the Super Bowl with Nick Foles.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. B-Roy has a lot to offer the game. The Lions signed Zach Ertz today. Did they? Yeah. Any plan? Wow.


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[Assistant] I don't know. And then the Chiefs could sign it? I don't know if you can do that once the season's over. I'm not sure. But maybe. That's crazy. Wow. The Earth was cut before the season ended. So that's probably the distinction. Okay.


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[Assistant] By the way, if you could make Earl's picture like a cartoon, put that up for one more second please. It's coming, it's coming. Earl's picture could be like a cartoon character where his hair or legs. You see that?


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[Assistant] Barry and, uh, and, uh, Antonetti and Chernoff, they go to the same nerd school. You know what they do?


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[Assistant] I heard that Earl was involved in Stump Mitchell getting fired.


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[Assistant] See, I don't think Andrew Barry has anything to do with his extension. Only cause Stefanski was part of the group that hired Andrew Barry. They hired Stefanski and then they hired Barry. It won't be the first time a GM who was beholden to the coach fires that coach. It's happened before.


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[Assistant] You don't know if Kevin's- You haven't committed to giving the man an extension. Either you haven't committed or you don't know that it's above your pay- I agree with that. One of those two-


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[Assistant] Yeah, one sec. Yeah, the last, the last tweet, because, you know, obvi-


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[Assistant] She says wouldn't answer directly like he doesn't for players.


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[Assistant] Like, he never gives you a straight answer on any people working at it.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, and as much as I'm a Bengals fan, I don't want-


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[Assistant] Even though he won a Super Bowl with the Ravens, Ravens fans didn't love Joe Flacco. They had moved on. The way the Browns loved Nick Chubb. One thousand percent. One thousand percent. It's much different.


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[Assistant] He's not flashy. Worker. He's hardworking. You feel like, we don't know the truth. Who knows? Because Nick Chubb doesn't talk much. It feels like he loves Cleveland. He probably does. I feel like he does too. I feel like he would love whatever situation he was in.


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[Assistant] I'm not surprised by that. He didn't say it won't have a connection to Watson. He just said it doesn't have to, which makes sense. Deshaun Watson should have a voice in the process. You want him to have a voice. He shouldn't have the final say obviously.


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[Assistant] Then you might, then you might as well just fire him because the whole thing is, which I would never do. Well, I think, I think Kevin's smart enough to walk. I mean, leaving him on a, on a lame duck year. No. It would be so stupid. Especially after what


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[Assistant] And you know there's guys on the offense. First of all, Kevin Svansky is very popular on the team.


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[Assistant] And it doesn't go well. You don't think it's gonna be guys on the team like, what are we doing here? Are you?


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[Assistant] You know, maybe we're wrong. Maybe, maybe this was the fancy decision. It's the offseason.


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[Assistant] Good. Jason, did you, when Andrew Berry said, we just put the tweet up, when Andrew Berry said about the plate ball, he said it's going to be up to Kevin Stefanski, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Jason, uh, the Nick Chubb comments, that he may, usually Andrew Barry says nothing as you know, but,


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[Assistant] When it comes to Nick Chubb, they are very interested in bringing it back. Obviously they gotta figure out the money. But based on the comments, it sounds like


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[Assistant] They understand that it's pretty important to bring him back. Did you see it that way?


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[Assistant] Yeah, Dolan actually made a comment at, uh, Guardians Fest. I was pretty pissed off about his comment, but we'll get to that.


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[Assistant] Later. Jason, last thing. What, what did, is there anything we haven't talked about here that stood out? Anything of note from the press conference? The coaches firings. What was said about that? Yeah, that or anything else.


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[Assistant] By the way, speaking of Flacco, uh, not 100% set in stone, but I, but it looks very likely that I will be interviewing him on my podcast sometime in the next 48 hours. Good. Oh nice.


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[Assistant] Uh, Lou Gehry's disease. Yeaah. And they had a big ALS event and I would be the emcee and I would wear a tux for that.


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[Assistant] I don't feel any different, sorry. I don't feel any different because it's not the same set of circumstances. The Ravens were at home.


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[Assistant] I mean, I did think, wow, this Ravens defense looks way better than the Browns defense. And I was like, yeah, I think the Ravens defense maybe is more legit than the Browns. But it didn't make me feel any better or worse about the Browns losing to the Texans.


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[Assistant] Gee, I don't disagree with your premise. However, I would argue...


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[Assistant] That Amari Cooper is better than any wide receiver on the Ravens or the Chiefs. And Nick Chubb is better than any running back on the Ravens or the Chiefs.


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[Assistant] Neither the Ravens nor the Chiefs are loaded at the skill position. They're not loaded. There's better teams than those teams. Well, they're substantially better at quarterback.


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[Assistant] Okay, but to be fair to Lamar. Now, Lamar had, you know, everybody's killing teams that didn't sign, and, and team, team like the Falcons should. Now, ultimately, I think the Ravens would have, people are killing teams like the Falcons for not offering Lamar a contract. I think the Ravens would have matched anything that he was offered, clearly, because they eventually offered him a lot of money.


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[Assistant] However, Lamar was coming off two kinda down seasons. He wasn't terrible, but they were a little down. But Lamar still won an MVP with nobody three years ago or four years ago.


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[Assistant] Oh, that's fair, but you can't, again, the Ravens and Chiefs are not loaded with skill position talent. Their quarterbacks have been great.


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[Assistant] The Browns have to, you know, especially the Chiefs. Now Lamar may be a different story, he's still got a lot to prove in the playoffs or anything. But like, this was supposed to be the down year for the Chiefs. That's what I'm saying.


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[Assistant] I mean we are, we can't talk. Listen, I think Josh Allen is a hell of a player. And I know he played well yesterday, but he's gotta be better. I mean, that's it. He's gotta win. He finally had Mahomes in his place!


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[Assistant] And I thought they threw the, I thought they, now, I thought the game plan was terrible. I thought they took him out of his rhythm by running the ball as much as they did. And I know they've been a good running team. You can't just run the ball and beat Patrick Mahomes. You can't win that way. You gotta, and Josh Allen.


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[Assistant] You gotta let him cook, and I thought they got him out of rhythm. And that last drive, guys, it was like they didn't know what they wanted to do, whether it was to kill clock.


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[Assistant] Or just score. Or, it's okay if we get a field goal, or we gotta get a touchdown. It's like they weren't, it's like they confused themselves.


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[Assistant] I just didn't understand, like, but I thought Alan, like, on that last play before they tried the field goal, he threw to the end zone, like, you gotta get a first down there. Yeaah. Don't go for it all on that play. I see teams do that a lot and it surprises me.


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[Assistant] I'd worry in a big spot could get the best of them. I agree. But there's a lot more good than bad with Campbell.


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[Assistant] You know what's awesome about him is, and I think more people need to be this way, and we're so in our camps about everything, he's...


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[Assistant] Jamir Gibbs is, is, you know, one of the most skilled running backs in the league. He's fantastic. Montgomery is a different type of back. He's good, solid player. At wide receiver, Almanrassane Brown is fantastic. We haven't even mentioned Hutchinson.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and their offensive line is one of the best in the league. Their offensive line is great. Their tight end is arguably the best young tight end in the league. I mean, who's ever had this good a rookie season as a tight end? I think it's the best rookie season we've ever seen by a tight end.


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[Assistant] And I give Baker credit, I thought Baker, listen, he threw a bad pick at the end of the game, the first pick was tipped, what are you going to do? The second pick was bad, bad throw.


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[Assistant] And there you go, he's going to be a starting quarterback. There was some random Twitter handle saying,


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[Assistant] And if you put a good enough team around him, who knows? I don't trust him in a big spot, but the bottom line is the guy had a pretty big, he had a good season, and I'm not gonna crap on him. He's a poor player, but I'm not gonna crap on him.


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[Assistant] The last two years were awful. They were humbling. He played poorly, he was hurt, he didn't get it done, he looked silly at times with some of his comments, and he has bounced back and had a nice season.


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[Assistant] I like Jordan Love. I like Brock Purdy. I thought, I thought Sadie was better than Josh Allen. I still don't agree with that. Uh, but I think Brock Purdy is a good quarterback. He's not a great quarterback.


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[Assistant] I, I think he does what they ask him to do. I definitely don't think he'd be as good if he didn't have all the, he's got a ton of talent around him. But he's a good quarterback. Jordan Love is, I think Jordan Love is very good. Although I, I was watching some clip of, uh,


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[Assistant] Somebody who said, was talking about the 2020 quarterback draft, which is maybe the greatest quarterback draft ever. Yeaah. I mean think about 2020. Burrow, Herbert, Tua, Jordan Love, and who's


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[Assistant] By the way, has anybody seen the video where this white couple has a baby?


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[Assistant] So, Paul Dolan had this dopey smile on his face, and he's at Guards Fest, he never takes any, like, tough media questions, he just gives a statement. He did answer one question, like, uh, something about free agency, what are you gonna do, or, or, or, add some power, adding a power back. Frankly, I think a lot of our improvement is gonna come internally and organically. Which means a rebuild. I mean, what, what are we doing here? Wow.


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[Assistant] Seven years ago have spent roughly $75 million in free agency in seven years. And one of the big signings last year they cut. Right. And most of those guys they've signed over the last seven years have not been any good.


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[Assistant] The Guardians have been a non-factor in free agency. And listen, I think, er,


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[Assistant] Antonetti and Chernoff deserves some criticism. I think they haven't done as well a job the last couple years, but overall, the Guardians have had this tremendous front office, and they have no flexibility.


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[Assistant] Nothing whatsoever. And the fact that he says, uh, we're gonna do that internally and organically. The last Guardians outfielder to hit 20 home runs just retired. Michael Brantley.


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[Assistant] And they let him go. Yes. And by the way. I mean they could have kept him, they should have signed what, given them the money. Yes, they should have. Now he was coming off some injuries, so I, I understood, but he played great. Didn't, didn't slow him down.


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[Assistant] I was so frustrated, yesterday morning I was listening to, on Sunday mornings on MLB radio, they have a show called The Front Office. And it's two former GMs, Jim Boden and Jim DeGette.


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[Assistant] Not, yea, Phillips sometimes pulls in on there. I like, I do too. Bowden Duquette were on, and they were interviewing, I can't think of his name now.


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[Assistant] The general manager of the Reds, he's new there, I can't think of his name. He's done a good job. Yeaah, he's had a nice off season, and the Reds have spent some money. We know Cincinnati, similar size market to Cleveland, right? Smaller. Right, and it's a, you know. It's a better baseball town now. It is. But, we, yeaah, and they only have two teams, right? They only have two major league teams.


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[Assistant] And Jim Bowden said to him, you know, you guys didn't really need an infielder.


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[Assistant] Uh, you really needed more of an outfielder, so why did you sign Candelario? Because you guys got all these good young infielders. And he says, you know Jim, we needed power.


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[Assistant] And yeaah, maybe it would've been better if we got it in the outfield.


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[Assistant] But, I'm gonna figure, we'll figure that out as a team. We needed to add some thump, veteran thump to the lineup, and I went with the best guy at the price, and it was like, okay, alright, well if I'm not going to get much production from my outfield power-wise, well then I better get a ton out of my infield. Sure. A ton.


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[Assistant] You might as well wear it, the whole thing. It's so frustrating because, and what the Reds have done this offseason, they got this, the Reds got-


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[Assistant] Their guys have come up to the majors and made an impact. Contributed right away. Right away, where most of the guardians guys have not. They've got a speed element to their team. They certainly do. They're fun to watch. They have position flexibility.


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[Assistant] And what they did was, they went and signed the veteran starter. They didn't sign any one player to it. The biggest contract was the Candelaria contract, 345.


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[Assistant] So they spent a decent amount on him, but that's not crazy. That's not considered a big contract. But they went and signed like one year 20 million on a veteran pitcher, because he's like, we got all these young pitchers, we need a veteran there. They added three veterans to the bullpen, because they got a good young bullpen, but they're like, we need some experienced guys out there. Nobody's asking the Guardians to go get Otani or Bellinger.


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[Assistant] I'm saying, sign some quality veterans, not long shots at the end of their careers like Josh Bell. Have they done anything but Austin Hedges?


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[Assistant] Honestly, I think Jay could hit better than Austin Hedges in the big leagues right now. I would bet on Jay. I got a lot of faith in him. I think you'd have a higher batting average than Austin Hedges. Thank you.


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[Assistant] A lot of times I'm not sure if your OCs did it, but like, the first 15 plays, first 20 plays. Already started.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know what that is. So you're trying to play within that. Alright, this is where the ball usually go. You go throughout the week. You go throughout the different looks. Alright, this. Here, here, here. I've never been a fan of that. Just because I know.


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[Assistant] And like, I start off slow, but once that third and fourth quarter come around, now you just calling it your best play, you trying to make work.


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[Assistant] Same with me. It was, it was nothing compared to what I, I didn't even, I couldn't get my snowblower started, which was infuriating. So, but both cars are four-wheel drive. We just ran right over it. Yeah, good.


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[Assistant] This was funny. I mean, it was horrifying in the moment, but it's funny, like, cause you're just like, what's going on? So, eh, eh, obviously I'm at the Athletic, which is now part of the New York Times, so when the Athletic first was purchased by the Times, they left everything alone, payroll was, like, everything was always the same. Well, now they're integrating this more into the Times system. So they said, okay, you have to redo, like,


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[Assistant] Payroll is completely different. The way we pay you is totally different. You have to redo, re-input all of this. So like back in October, we're inputting all of this information and everything.


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[Assistant] And now with like the new tax codes and everything, obviously that was all redone with holdings and everything, and they said, do you want extra money withheld allowance, you know, for taxes? And I do a bunch of freelance stuff, including this, where not all taxes are taken out. My wife works for a non-profit, they're not great with taking taxes out. So I put down a sizable chunk, I'm like, just withhold that for taxes. Each pay period.


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[Assistant] So I didn't realize that you're supposed to do it for, so I put for the year, so our first paycheck came the other day and I like, I look at my phone and I'm like, well that's weird, like there was no deposit.


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[Assistant] So I still haven't been paid yet. Oh my god. They're working on it. But, but like the feeling. You're good for it. We'll vouch for you. I mean, but the feeling of like.


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[Assistant] Your entire check is gone in that moment? It's like, what is going? I seriously thought like I had been garnished by the government or I had been sued or I was going to prison. I don't know. It was, it was wild.


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[Assistant] He should, he should be involved in the process as the franchise quarterback. You should be involved. He will run the process. He's a $230 million quarterback. He's the most powerful figure in the organization. I think this is his call, period. But you don't think it should be his alone?


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[Assistant] I mean, Runnit may be strong, but it's going to be, obviously he's going to be heavily, heavily involved in this.


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[Assistant] We said it when he signed the contract. I've written it countless times.


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[Assistant] As soon as they gave him $230 million. I know sometimes you get your feathers ruffled over the size of the contract, but the reality, or the fact that we keep talking about it.


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[Assistant] Last week was, I guess it was before the game, who was deeply involved in Houston's proceedings when Deshaun was there and in the trade and everything else. And he did want to be enemy.


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[Assistant] But also, the way it was explained to me was Bill O'Brien had a lot to do with the downfall of everything.


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[Assistant] Oh boy, some of the stuff that I heard about him in Houston and now it's funny that he's Ohio State OC. He is. So let's wait and see how that plays out.


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[Assistant] But I think, I think O'Brien was very much responsible for a lot of what went wrong.


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[Assistant] You always extend a coach with a year left. That's what I thought. It's a lame duck situation. It doesn't matter the sport. Yes, you're right about college football recruiting, 100%.


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[Assistant] But it's like that in, in the NBA, in NFL, baseball, when you have a year left, if you like the guy, that's when you extend him if you're comfortable with him. Otherwise, it's a lame duck situation, nobody knows anything, and it just sort of hangs over the franchise for that year. When does that typically happen? I've always remembered it happens.


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[Assistant] The week after the season. It should happen now. During this offseason, certainly is when it should happen. If it doesn't happen. And there are some.


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[Assistant] the very last minute to get things done. But for the most part, if you want to promote stability within your organization, if you want to promote health, that's why I wrote a column halfway through the year. Extend him now. Extend him now and show everyone that things are different now. We have our guy and we're standing behind him. Obviously they didn't do that.


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[Assistant] Kevin knows how to get the most out of his quarterbacks. Now, it's unfair to judge this offense after you lose Nick Chubb and after you lose Deshaun. And you lose your tackles.


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[Assistant] This is the first time in 24 years where the head coach and the GM


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[Assistant] Which is insane. They kept that under.


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[Assistant] Tim, how much, we opened the show with this and you're the perfect one to ask this to. How much influence should a quarterback have?


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[Assistant] And choosing an offensive coordinator and how much do you think Deshaun will have?


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[Assistant] Well, the only thing I'll say, Tim, is he's due 16 million this year and he ain't gonna see that. And...


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[Assistant] So is that, is that the, when you look at this team, is that the number one need?


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[Assistant] I think, I mean I think it is a playmaking receiver, but when you look at this team,


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[Assistant] With their top draft pick, whether they keep it or trade it for a player, where should they go with it?


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[Assistant] You know, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. Well, I was going to say like, I, apparently we, I caused a huge stir Monday by flippantly saying that like there was empty seats and I thought that the noise was a little bit louder.


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[Assistant] And I love D'Amico Ryan's. I think they're great at what they do. But now you've made it to where I have to root against them. I hope the Ravens pound you into the ground. I will wear a Ravens. I haven't worn a jersey in 40 years. I will wear a Ravens jersey on this show to celebrate them pounding you.


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[Assistant] Uh, they did one on the Patriots and the unraveling of Belichick and Kraft. Terrific. Go read it if you've got the time. And then he came back with one on Mahomes. And he talked to Steve Young about the Taylor Swift effect and everything. And people rolled their eyes at her or whatever. And Steve's like,


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[Assistant] It's real. It's this thing that you live in. And Steve would know, like quarterback in the NFL. And he said, it's not necessarily anything that you talk about or that feels like a distraction or anything, but it's just this weight that just, it just hangs over and you just feel it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so, so it just, it just feels like something, I'm not saying it's Taylor Swift, but I just thought it was an interesting note that Steve Young went there in that article and said it's just this thing that you feel that just hangs over it.


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[Assistant] Jason? No, I don't think they are. I don't think they are. They're good. But I don't think they're ready to be the Boston type of...


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[Assistant] Milwaukee when they're whole and healthy and poppin'. Denver. They're not in that category.


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[Assistant] That's the one sport where one guy, we saw it. One guy can carry a team in the NBA far more than baseball. Even an elite quarterback in the NFL needs someone to throw to.


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[Assistant] There's, there's always exceptions, but usually with the NBA, there's a progression to this. You get in, you get knocked out. That's what happened to them last year. Then you went around, then you go another round. It's what Boston did, although Boston actually was ahead of the curve as quickly as they made the conference finals. I mean, it happened to Jordan, it happened to LeBron.


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[Assistant] This is, this is why it's so hard to figure out the Cavs this year. They've had 11 games with their starters healthy. 11. That's it. And they're 6 and 5.


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[Assistant] That's it. And they're not going to have their starting lineup back for another few weeks at least. Darius just got the wiring out of his mouth from where he broke his jaw, but he's lost a ton of weight because he was on a liquid diet for the last month. He's nowhere near game-shaped, so it's going to take him another couple weeks yet to get his ramp back up.


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[Assistant] So now you're like up at the trade deadline before you're even whole again. So it's hard to, like, I wrote about this the other day, the way that they're playing right now is fun and like, it's incredible. We talked, we give all this praise to Stefanski for the way that he kept the Browns in it and the way that they got to the playoffs with all their injuries. JB's do the same thing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we learned that, I mean I've screened that every year, but that was never clearer than last year. Right. But the point I'm making is like, they're playing great right now, and if you look at their net rating, their top ten, which is incredible, since these guys went down, since Mobley and Darius went down, their top ten in net rating, they have the best winning percentage in the league.


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[Assistant] Okay, fine. You still have to play the schedule, you still have to play the games in front of you, and they're doing great.


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[Assistant] But when you bring these guys back in, Mike and I were talking about this at the game the other night.


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[Assistant] Can, can Mowgli and Allen, can you run a successful offense with two non-shooting bigs playing next to each other?


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[Assistant] There's people in the Cavs who say yes, they think it can work. We haven't seen it yet. I'm not so sure. I mean, you know, we talked about before the show, if Mobley become a three point shooter, it changes everything and unlocks everything, but he hasn't shown he's going to be there. Fixing the small forward spot with Max Drews helps. Like that helps balance the floor and it helps spread things out a little bit more.


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[Assistant] Because it's, it's one in and four out. And the, when you put four shooters around one big, you can have a ton of success playing that way. And I've talked all year about, it was supposed to be Evan. Evan was supposed to be that.


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[Assistant] And now he's hurt and now Jared is putting up unbelievable numbers while Evan is out. So when you bring a ball dominant guard back like Darius and the ball flow isn't quite what it is now.


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[Assistant] When you put another non-shooting big next to Jarrett, can you still have this type of success? We only have 11 games to go off of, so it's unfair really to say yes or no, but when you look at the rest of the East, when you look at the talent in Boston, in Milwaukee, in Denver, in the West, I look at the Cavs and think they're too young, like they just have to go through it.


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[Assistant] And I've said this before, Mobley could be a beast three or four years from now, five years from now. Darius Garland in three or four years could be a, they could be a great team in three or four or five years. The problem is Donovan's contract is ticking a lot faster than three, four or five years. So that's sort of the issue that the Cavs have right now. Are they a contender this year to win a championship?


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[Assistant] Probably not. But they're a good fun young team to watch. And that's that part of it, that's okay.


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[Assistant] And that sucks. That's why I took exception with the Cavs last year saying, oh, 51 wins, 51 wins, we won 51 games. It's like, but you just tell us, every team tells us the regular season doesn't matter. So you can't come back now and take a victory lap for 51 wins when the regular season doesn't matter.


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[Assistant] Right. And to your point, Michael Wilbon told a great story about when he was covering the Bulls and the one year


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[Assistant] You could go look, I don't remember the year, but you can go look where like all of the bowls players played like 80 or more games.


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[Assistant] Because Michael would go in the trainer's room and Scotty would be up there getting taped and whoever was over there and Michael would go to the trainer's room and go, go, get out, get out, go, go get dressed, you're playing, get out of here. Because if you're in the trainer's room, you know, you're...


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[Assistant] Which they never did before. Right. So if you, if you got a long flight rather than fly after a game and get to your next destination, whether it's home or another city at 4 a.m.


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[Assistant] You'll stay over and you'll fly the next morning so guys get a good night's rest. There's nothing wrong with that.


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[Assistant] I don't know what the answer is. I don't know. But reducing the schedule is not it. Because if you go from 82 to 72, then they're only going to play 62. They're still going to sit 10.


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[Assistant] So there is no great, I, I still think the best solution in order to cut down on travel.


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[Assistant] Is you turn it into a baseball schedule. We've talked about this before. We've seen it a little bit. Where, when the Cavs go to Milwaukee, they're gonna stay in Milwaukee for three days, they're gonna play two games.


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[Assistant] Coming up. I don't know, there's some month this schedule where I just happen to notice the calves don't have any back to back, so I've never seen that before.


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[Assistant] But I think what they're trying to do is generate enough revenue off this in-season tournament to either reduce the number of games or


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[Assistant] Whatever, do whatever to try and fix the regular season. I'm not sure it's gonna work.


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[Assistant] But that's the, I think, I think that's one of the driving factors.


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[Assistant] The teams don't like it because it's harder to sell the second game. When it's the same team in down for a Tuesday and a Thursday, especially if it's a bad team, it's hard to sell that Thursday game.


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[Assistant] But if that's the best reason you have against doing it, to me that's not good enough.


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[Assistant] I think it's worth it. And I think it makes, maybe it makes scheduling harder. I don't know if you can do that with every team. Right. And I mean, you know, especially teams that share buildings. Who shares buildings? LA. They still do. Oh yeah.


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[Assistant] I think it's, it's something that we may not see broken, like, again.


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[Assistant] I mean, to talk about five different quarterbacks, look, think about it. Brett Favre played every single game for like ever until he retired, right? He had a string of crazy amounts of games. They've done it with Watson, Flacco, PJ Walker, DTR, and now Jeff Driscoll. And I think this is a really big accomplishment in a speech to


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[Assistant] Kevin Stefanski specifically, because he gets his quarterbacks ready to play, he gets them ready to go, and if Jeff Driscoll can come out here and play well and lead the Browns to a victory, I think we have to now give, uh, you know, his genius keys back to the offense.


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[Assistant] If you look at what Kevin Stefanski's track record is, when DTR was in the preseason, guess what he did? He threw the ball. Last year when it was cold and minus 45 degrees or something with Deshaun Watson against the Saints, guess what? He threw the ball.


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[Assistant] When they had, uh, P.J. Walker. And they was running around in Seattle trying to get a victory. And they should have been running it more. They threw the ball.


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[Assistant] Jeff Driscoll's gonna get 40 tosses. Wow. They're gonna run his offense. They're gonna run exactly what they're doing. And as I said earlier in the opening, guess what? Tap the shoulder. I think he might throw for him almost 300. Alright.


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[Assistant] Later down, exactly. I think he gonna get a hundred. He gonna be in the most of it is because he gonna get the most targets. By the way, also, I like the fact that Joe Flacco got on him last week.


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[Assistant] In terms of in the end zone when he ran the wrong route or didn't cross the face of the defender, I think that shows that Joe wants him to be better, which shows he has confidence in him that he's going to be a bigger part of the offense movement in the next couple of weeks.


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[Assistant] Listen, this is over. The easy part is he's going to run and he has access to his legs.


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[Assistant] He can run goal line stuff, scrambles, getting out in the open field with extended plays. That's one. I think he does get a short touchdown pass off play action inside the 20. That's two easy money. He gets two touchdowns. The thing was he should have been 300 yards, but.


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[Assistant] You let me off the hook, I'll take the two. What do you got? Are you, is it just passing touchdowns or both?


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[Assistant] I like the fact that, uh, you know, you was lobbying, uh, for that pay raise. I like you, Jim. I like to see what you did right there. You said pay me more without saying pay me more. Um, I hope he doesn't go selfishly, but I think he deserves that shot selfishly. I think if he had one more year here, I think the Browns have a two year window next year getting all the people back. I think they'd be great.


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[Assistant] I wish I could give you some diversity up here in other ways, but I'm not. But this is not going to work. I don't want to see CJ Stroud. He is too dumb to understand that he's not supposed to be playing. He's too young for that. He doesn't, he don't get it.


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[Assistant] How's money? They got a new coach, a brand new rookie quarterback. He may go out there and make reads and throws that he's not supposed to do.


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[Assistant] I don't like that. Give me the Jacksonville Jaguars and their terrible home lame crowd.


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[Assistant] We can fill that stadium up. You might hear chances of Cooper. You might see touchdowns, people getting ready for Flacco. In Indianapolis, I think the run game is, is, I don't like playing in that dome. I don't like the run game. Gardner, Minshew scares me. No parts of them, but I'll go with Jacksonville.


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[Assistant] That's it. And who are they playing? Tennessee.


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[Assistant] Man, this is easy money. I told you before when this whole thing started.


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[Assistant] You got Flacco and you got Jeff Driscoll. We transition power. Jeff Driscoll keeps the winning going. Safanski officially named the quarterback whisperer as Driscoll throws for 300 air yards. And you know what I'm saying. I already told you what it is. Shout out to Jeff Driscoll.


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[Assistant] And I'm Jason Lloyd. You can't watch the game tomorrow. You'll probably watch it. But if you can't, that's okay. We've got you covered. Pre-written headlines every week. We tell you what's going to happen in the game. Mikey.


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[Assistant] This defense has been at its best when Denzel has one half of the field and MJ Emerson has the other half of the field. He turns miles loose, he turns the dairies loose, brings safeties on blitzes. That's what I expect to see. I do think Ward's gonna play and I wouldn't change anything. Play straight up man coverage on the outside.


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[Assistant] And bring extra pressure on the inside and try and get the CJ Stroud to rattle the rookie.


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[Assistant] It has an impact. I mean, Gardner Minshew tore them up. So they have had holes defensively in schemes.


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[Assistant] But I just look at the totality of the season and their ability to get off the field on third down. We talked about it all year. It's huge. The Browns are so good at getting off the field on third down that they've created almost an extra game's worth of possessions for the offense. And that, that travels. So it's, it's,


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[Assistant] Could they get gashed on a drive or two? Yes. And in playing a better quarterback like CJ Stroud over what they've done.


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[Assistant] They may get gashed on occasion, but over the totality of four quarters in the entire game, I still believe in this defense's ability to force turnovers, even though Stroud hasn't thrown many, but to generate turnovers. And more importantly, it's about getting off the field on third down. And I think they can do that.


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[Assistant] Well, you can understand why they would put him low.


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[Assistant] Just because he hasn't been good for the last 10 years, but if you've actually studied the games and watched the games the last few weeks,


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[Assistant] Outside of my homes, I don't know if there's another quarterback that I have more confidence in being able to handle a postseason setting.


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[Assistant] You just saw his record, 10-5 in the postseason.


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[Assistant] As many road wins as any quarterback in the history of the NFL. Like this is a guy that does not get rattled. He's a big reason why I think, I absolutely think the Browns are going to the.


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[Assistant] coupled with the quarterback who understands the moment in front of him, who doesn't get rattled by pressure, who can make every throw on the field, and I look at it and say they have everything they need to go to the Super Bowl. Why not? Why not the Bronx?


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[Assistant] Well, 75 is not a very high bar, and we just got done talking about the amount of 300 yard games that Stroud's had. You don't have to go over 300 to get one guy 75. So, yeaah, I think that's not asking a whole lot. No, I don't think it is either. I think Eagle College can do it.


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[Assistant] Thirteen sacks for the game, nine for miles, and four- six? Ten sacks!


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[Assistant] Well, I think the crowds are going to bring pressure, but one and a half actually felt to me a little bit high, because I think miles...


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[Assistant] Generates most of the pressure and most of the attention. So I could see.


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[Assistant] Typhus, let me get one of those. It's going to be worse up more day and it's going to be because of what you did outside of football. Which one you want? Whichever one you want to get, whichever one your heart desires. Okay. You're going to give him one of your football jerseys.


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[Assistant] The Browns didn't give you jerseys? I didn't make it to the season. But you played in preseason? O season, I mean OTAs. I didn't make, I made it, I was here to...


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[Assistant] I would tell you that when Demario left, everybody was upset about it. Cause this was, this was G-Dub's first year there and he was upset about it.


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[Assistant] My respect for him went through the roof this year because of the way he was able to build the depth on this team. When you see the things that this team went through and having players on the roster step up in the way that they did, like, you gotta get credit.


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[Assistant] This right here that says he was bullying my brother saying that Nasus is committing insurance fraud by being in the NBA, he had to go. That's true?


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[Assistant] I do. Well, he wasn't there when I was a cunt. But I know.


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[Assistant] Well I mean, obviously they have different leadership styles. One is more of a dictator, my way or the highway. The other one's more a little bit laid back. I want to help you get to the right answer. I want to help you grow that way.


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[Assistant] We are ex-coworkers. That's all. Woah, what happened? It was just ex-coworkers.


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[Assistant] No, I think you did. Listen, the thing that I learned about the Cleveland Browns is that


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[Assistant] And not just the Cleveland Browns, just all the football. The most successful teams always bring in competition. Competition breeds the best out of athletes. What motivated me the most as a player was when


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[Assistant] In college, we had a freshman by the name of Eric Smith. He went to Glenville. Shout out to Glenville. Safety. Freshman came in. Dude was baller. Dude was an absolute baller. And I was like, look at this freshman. It seemed like every time he got in, we blow teams out, he get in the game, he get a pick or he get a fumble recovery or something. I'm like...


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[Assistant] He, I listened to his podcast with Cam Newton and he said, I hear all of it. So if that's the case, you know all the trash talking that's going on about your name and how people saying that they wasted money, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.


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[Assistant] You want to come out there and you want to prove them wrong. So I don't think you need the motivation, but if I'm the Cleveland Browns, I think you're absolutely right. You have to have, you can't just rest on the fact that he'll be back. Like that's, if you go into this season thinking Deshaun Watson will be back, he'll be a hundred percent back to the gutter.


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[Assistant] So you have to do what they call cover your assets and you have to get a guy in there that you know can get things done. Now, what I think, and this could be


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[Assistant] Historic run with the Cleveland Browns that in the last, what, three seasons, he's always giving you moments where he's looked really great, but he's fallen off the cliff.


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[Assistant] Why do I think that it's hard for him to get maybe another starting quarterback job anywhere else? It's because I think other NFL teams see the same thing. He'll come in and he'll get you maybe five good games, but at some point it's going to take a dive.


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[Assistant] With that being said, if he comes back to Cleveland and he is the backup quarterback, I do believe that I've said it a bunch of times, which you said, he can be a great teacher. Deshaun Wanton has never had that big brother quarterback that's, that's been a former MVP, that's not an MVP Super Bowl champion.


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[Assistant] Exactly. So I think that you benefit from that because Deshauna look at him and say this guy's been to the Super Bowl, he's won the Super Bowl MVP and I want those things. And he came in last year and he did things that I


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[Assistant] Quite frankly, weren't great at, so I can learn from him and those things. I don't know how necessarily offense is gonna change with the, with the new OC coming in, whoever that may be.


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[Assistant] But I do believe that there is something there. Also, Joe Flacco is perfect for number two because


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[Assistant] He's done it in his career. It's been times where he's with Lamar. He groomed Lamar and Lamar took off. He went to, uh, the Jets. He was there for a while and then he groomed Zach Wilson. We need to talk about that. And then even in Denver, when he was in Denver, he had the neck injury and, um,


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[Assistant] What's the quarterback? Uh, Drew Locke came in and he would help Drew Locke. So he's been in situations where he's always helped a younger guy get


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[Assistant] You know, you know what the difference is? The difference is he did it, he went 14 for 14 with the thing broken.


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[Assistant] Well, it's because, well, the Browns is fourth to me because, uh, when you think about the offensive talent, you gotta think about Nick Chubb coming back off of injury, Deshaun's coming back off of injury. So those are big questions. Exactly. And that's like your one, two, your two best.


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[Assistant] Gee, it's people that come in when you sick, they'll tune into the show and say, Gee Bush ain't on.


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[Assistant] I'ma tell you, Coach Meyer stood up after their game was over and we went back and we did our championship thing. Why are you being humble all of a sudden? You're never humble.


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[Assistant] The Silver Bullets is the, the cap, or the champion.


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[Assistant] But he, I thought he replaced, like, uh, what's the crew?


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[Assistant] So the difference would be, the difference would be...


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[Assistant] If financially, if this job was paying me the same salary that I would make as a football player. You wouldn't leave.


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[Assistant] I mean, they can, for sure. I mean, they playing with some really good, with some really good chemistry right now, but Giannis will be fired up. It's at home.


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[Assistant] The Bucks are gonna have to come out and put a performance up because you have to show that it was us and not the coach. So they're gonna have to come out there and try to make a statement for that. So they're gonna play hard.


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[Assistant] I think this is a close one. I don't know who comes out the winner, which is why I did not put that on the parlay, cause my heart goes away.


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[Assistant] You know what? I will tonight when this parlay hit, I will be a lot better. Anyways, that's neither here nor there. The buck ass. What was the question? Is it do or die in 2020? Listen, I think that for years it's been


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[Assistant] The SEC and the South has, has been all of these rumors about how they've always spent money to get these recruits. And up here at Ohio State, you felt like, we still winning games, but we didn't even have to do things like that, you know? Well, in fairness, be quiet.


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[Assistant] Be quiet. Shhh. You can have a floor in a second. Like I said, in 2012 to 2015, I know for a fact.


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[Assistant] And I think that, uh, this year when you look at what they, the moves that they've made, you know, I think that Ryan Day learned from the Missouri coach. He said, you know, I gave him a plate call and I became just the head coach and my world just became so much better. I became a better head coach because of it.


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[Assistant] So I think Ryan Day took some of that knowledge and he's applied it with Bill O'Brien. Getting Bill O'Brien in here, a guy who's been in NFL.


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[Assistant] Head coach who's been a college head coach who's called plays, you know, and he's coming in here to call plays and you can bounce that off the wall with Ryan Day with the great play calls that he has.


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[Assistant] That means that offense should be better. You're getting guys to come back to Ohio State because they realized that in 2020, they was just in the national championship. But in 2020, a lot of those guys weren't on this roster. They were coming in the following year since they've been at Ohio State.


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[Assistant] The program has taken a dive. They haven't won a big 10 championship. They haven't beat the team up north and they were a field goal away from winning or going to a national championship. So they look at it like,


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[Assistant] When you come to Ohio State, your job is to keep the program either at the top or make it better. And this class that's now going to be juniors or seniors this year have not done that. And they've taken pride in that. They've decided to come back because they want to at least accomplish those things.


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[Assistant] And then he said, Oh, by the way, let's make the roster better. Let's go get some guys in the transfer portal for the first time.


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[Assistant] NIL has finally decided to play a big part, you know.


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[Assistant] People have been donating. People have been going out to get these big time recruits. They see that and we raise money. We can have the right to get these guys. I say all that to say the roster is good enough.


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[Assistant] They should win it all this year. If they don't win it all, they better at least beat the team up north. Orion Day is getting fired right in Columbus, Ohio, if he loses that game. Julian Sayen, is he the starting quarterback? No.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, Will Howard is the guy who has experience. I mean, he, he never, he was at Kansas State. He's the 6'5". He got the big arm. He got some mobility. So he kind of reminds you like a Josh, a poor man's Josh Allen. That's kind of what he reminds you of.


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[Assistant] Julius, yeah, Julius saying literally just got out of high school.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, that's something that can be done. Now, coming out as a high school recruit, that's illegal.


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[Assistant] Let me see that camera, Steve. Let me see. Hold on. Wait a minute. Ohio State does not do that.


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[Assistant] Can I ask a dumb question? We don't give signing bonuses to high school players. We just, that's where we don't.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm glad you brought up that because I need to go to the NFC and I want to ask you mainly about two pass rushers. You know, obviously they got San Francisco got Nick Bosa and the Lions got Aiden Hutchinson who's doing a really good job. Which one of them do you think makes the bigger impact in their game and which one of them reminds you of yourself?


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[Assistant] Sean, you know, first of all, shout out to your new, your Lights Out, uh, event. It's on a very important day, probably the biggest day of the year. February 16th, Tyrus will be turning 30 years old that day. So that's a really good job out of you for doing it on the bet, the biggest holiday on this year.


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[Assistant] Uhm, talk about that event, who's fighting, and how was the last fight with the two girls, or the two women I should say.


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[Assistant] Sean, what's the, what's the weights in putting classes? You know, like how do you, what's the weights that you gotta be to be, to fight each other?


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[Assistant] Well the reason being is because I think I just started this on the set. We can break the record of like the biggest fight ever.


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[Assistant] Me versus you would sell out and we would make a bunch of money. Listen, no I wouldn't. No I wouldn't. That's the thing. Y'all don't trust me. Y'all don't trust me. No. We love you. You don't think I can hang? You don't think I can hang?


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[Assistant] Woah, yeaah. I'm being nice. I ha- I handle my own. No you didn't. I handle my own. Which one you talking about? The one that you set me, I want it. The heavy or the light? I think it was the smaller dude. Oh, yeaah, yeaah, I handle my own on that one. What you mean? I handle my own.


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[Assistant] Dame Lillard to get 20 points. Giannis to get 30 points. Dame Lillard to record 4 assists. Giannis to get 4 assists. Giannis to get 10 boards. Jared Allen to get 10 boards. Brooke Lopez 6 points. Giannis over 33 and a half points. Donovan Mitchell 25 points.


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[Assistant] Damien Lillard, three made threes. Donovan Mitchell, three made threes. Jared Allen, ten points. Brooke Lopez, ten points. And Brooke Lopez, one three point.


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[Assistant] No, and I got, it's ten points in one made.


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[Assistant] So let me tell you why he's gonna get that. Okay. Cause he just watched him B go for 70. He just watched Carl Amlee in town go for like 50. And then I think Durant went for like 40. So he thinking to himself, let me show what I got. Cause it's the first time he's touched the floor since. He going crazy tonight.


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[Assistant] The guys who have filled in have done a very good job, but Grant Delpin is the starter for a reason, right? So, listen, in the playoffs, you want as many of your good players as you could possibly have.


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[Assistant] Obviously, there's, you know, there's other injured players you'd want more. We talked about this yesterday. But certainly, if he can come back, and technically I know some people are asking about this, he hasn't been activated from the IR yet. He's been designated to return from the IR. What that means is he can now practice with the team.


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[Assistant] No, Kevin Stefanski said yesterday he is very unlikely to play. I mean, he would, now, and what makes me nervous is even if they win, the fact that he's basically ruled them out on a Tuesday makes me worried that he wouldn't be ready next week.


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[Assistant] But I would think they would still, at least Ronnie Hickman, get in the mix a little bit.


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[Assistant] It's not like they're exposing a huge weakness. We could complain about the injuries on offense, plenty. The offense is missing a lot of guys.


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[Assistant] Defensively, every team's got some injuries. It's January. At this point of the year, if the only guys the Browns are missing are Hurst and Walker, they're in great shape on defense. And that's important because that is the strength of this team. As great as Joe Flacco has played, as much as the offense has been better,


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[Assistant] The strength of this team remains the defense, and that is, they need that unit to be healthy, and right now, they're getting very healthy. Couple other guys who didn't practice yesterday, we don't want to panic about it, it's early in the week. It's more like walkthrough. At running back, both Kareem Hunt and Pierre Strong.


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[Assistant] You know, he seems to have a big game every preseason, every year. Or they could sign somebody else. Wouldn't shock me if they signed somebody else today. Because, you know, Pierre Strong hurt his back. He got carted off. Hopefully, I mean, I like the guy. I keep wanting to play.


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[Assistant] But if he doesn't practice today, you would think that either Kelly gets bumped up from the practice squad or they sign somebody because you don't want to have just two running backs.


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[Assistant] Now, the only thing is, we don't know. Maybe Riley Patterson in the big spot will come through. Maybe he will.


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[Assistant] Think about Kevin Stefanski, guys. We know Kevin Stefanski is an extremely aggressive coach. He likes to go for it on fourth down. He likes to blow off punts. He, he's very ultra aggressive, right? We agree on that? Yea. Well, there were times this year where, and part of the reason he's


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[Assistant] A factor in that aggressiveness, obviously there's a lot of factors. But one of the factors in his aggressiveness is, until this year, the Browns have had crappy kickers. Yep. That he didn't trust. So you're more likely to go for it. Right. Uhm, or, or, or, yeaah. Now,


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[Assistant] If, if he grew to trust Dustin Hopkins, you don't, you don't develop that trust in one week. Sure. You develop it over time. By the middle late of the year, he completely trusted Dustin Hopkins to the point where he let him attempt almost any kick, right? Close to 60 yards. Yeaah. I've been thinking he made a 58 yard or 59 yard or something like that.


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[Assistant] Playing in Houston, it's climate control, right? That's a stadium where, hey, it's halftime.


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[Assistant] I could try a 59 yard field goal. If he has Dustin Hopkins, he's gonna try that 59 yard field goal. You will.


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[Assistant] And that, and so ultimately, yes, that could make a difference. Now, if Riley Patterson makes his kicks, it's fine, but just going into the game, and maybe ultimately it helps the Browns to be more aggressive in this game. We'll never, we won't know until the game is played, but to at least a small degree,


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[Assistant] This change in kicker not only affects the confidence we have in the Browns kicking game, but it will, at least to a small degree, potentially change how Kevin Stefanski coaches his


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[Assistant] Hell, the guy's just as good as our guy.


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[Assistant] Right, now he didn't attempt a lot of field goals. Our guy, I mean, extra points in field goals, big difference. Well, because they were scoring touchdowns. How many field goals did he attempt? Over 50 yards, Mike.


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[Assistant] So here's what happened. I read this. So the Lions, for the last six weeks that he was kicking for them. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] In practice, they would have a competition because they had a, I can't think of who the kicker was. A kicker on their practice squad. They had a kicker on their practice squad. Another veteran guy. I can't think of his name.


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[Assistant] Michael Badgley, who used to be on the Chargers. Right. So for the last six weeks, this was according to their coaching staff.


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[Assistant] Last six weeks that Riley Patterson was there, in practice, Badgley was consistently out kicking him in practice. And eventually, even though he didn't really do anything to lose the job, because he didn't miss a lot of kicks. No. Eventually, they felt like knowing they were going to playoffs, that they trusted Badgley more than Patterson. Wow, what a gutsy move.


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[Assistant] Listen, Riley Patterson, you know how many field goal attempts he has of more than 39 yards this season? No. Four.


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[Assistant] They didn't trust him and they cut him. He's three of four. He went three for four and kicks over 39 yards. Dustin Hopkins is hit.


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[Assistant] Is 22 of 25 in kicks over 39 yards. I mean, there's no way you're gonna, there's no apples to apples here.