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[Assistant] No, he hasn't, but early on in the Cincinnati game, the very first play of the game, he made a blow up play at the line. He's had moments here and there, but I think it's the sum of the parts guys.


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[Assistant] You know what, for an elite defense, and I know we can't talk about them all time great, but through five games, they are historically elite. They're doing things that defenses


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[Assistant] Great defenses. You don't see the Ravens defense with Ray Lewis and their Super Bowls up there. You don't see the Buccaneers and the Bears up there. They're an elite company through five games. You can't have a weak link. Because if you do, a good offensive coordinator is going to find it and expose it.


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[Assistant] I don't know if he is. He didn't go, he came from a consulting job with the Titans. Now, I think his, his stock.


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[Assistant] Has gone like this. And my fear is at the end of the year, there's going to be a team or two that says, let's go after this guy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I don't want to worry about it. I wanted to get on the radar and say, is he going to be a guy that's in high demand at season's end? There's always seven chairs that get turned over on average, seven head coaches every year. So I would think that he would be one of the top seven candidates somewhere.


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[Assistant] You know what was funny? Somebody, he's not a starter, but for these guys, it's about longevity and how many dollars you can extract out of NFL teams over a period of years. And yesterday during the telecast, someone said, these games, these moments are so critical.


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[Assistant] Third string quarterbacks in particular because what he just did on the field today was to buy himself another year or two on somebody's roster.


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[Assistant] Olsen, I thought they did a good job. I did too. Olsen made too much of a deal of the Browns punting.


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[Assistant] It's a good point and he goes back to the practice. Right. Well, you mentioned though, if he does miss some extended time here to Sean, and you'd like to see them go out and get another, a better quarterback. I don't know who you're gonna go get.


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[Assistant] Well what he did, I don't know if you put any stock into this, he tweeted something that, uh, see you soon.


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[Assistant] That game, that game was fascinating. I didn't see it, I watched it on my game tracker was all.


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[Assistant] I might jump. Cause now it's, now I look at that and even if I don't look at this I say, oh that's a brown sweatshirt.


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[Assistant] Oh, I didn't know that. Yes. Where is it available? Just plug it real quick.


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[Assistant] If you add the three of them up, Cooper, Ford, and Hunt, they went for...


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[Assistant] Over 250 total yards. I just didn't, I didn't see that coming.


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[Assistant] Weird, David Bell had the biggest catch of the day yesterday. That was a big play. Six. I mean, it was the big, it was one throw for six yards. Fourth down. And it's fourth down if he doesn't make that catch. The game is over. They went to David Bell.


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[Assistant] Niners are covering up guys that are threats. In that position, they, they think, okay, you're gonna go to Njoku, you're gonna go to Omari Cooper.


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[Assistant] With that defense, this is proof. It's not going to take much against most teams. This is a great team.


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[Assistant] And they were able to get it done with an all-time elite defensive effort.


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[Assistant] What do you make of the fact, though, that they are, if the Chargers lose, if they win, there's 13 of 16, if they win,


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[Assistant] Does anybody still think that they've got to go out and make a move for a wide receiver?


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[Assistant] Because again, it was a win. But when you look at the number of catches from wide receivers yesterday, not named Amari Cooper, by the way, what's DPJ? What are they doing here? Jay, in fairness, I mean, look who you have playing quarterback.


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[Assistant] He's okay. I mean, he averaged 10 yards. He had four returns for 40 yards. Think about from better than okay. DPJ. I don't know if he's got one for 10 yard, a return for 10 yards this year.


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[Assistant] He didn't have that splash kind of T.J. Watt game that you would have expected.


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[Assistant] And that's, that had a lot to do with the victory. Uh, I know in post games, Stefanski really credited Dunn.


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[Assistant] Who he said is, I think he said he's banged up or something too. He's had, he's had a history of back.


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[Assistant] G, the reason I think you owe it to the fan base to go all in here is because


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[Assistant] One of the components that you can win a Super Bowl with, and we know this, is an all-time great defense. And I know it's only five games, it's all we have to measure this team off of, but they're all-time great as measured through five games.


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[Assistant] So if there's a move that can be made, that can, you know, improve your wide receiver group.


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[Assistant] And you don't make it, you're doing a disservice to the defense and to the fan base. We deserve to make a run at something here. We've been here for all these years of horrible football. You've got one of the necessary components to get to a Super Bowl. You got it. You want to know an exciting, an exciting


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[Assistant] I don't think, were you here when we were talking about Jerry Judy getting lit up? Yeah, you were here Friday. Yeah, I didn't like it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we didn't care much for that. Okay, where's the confidence now, guys? Uhm, you know, it's a week to week league and everything goes up and down and it felt like the building was on fire. It wasn't.


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[Assistant] You're three and two now. Uh, you're in a pretty good spot. Think of where you'd be with the Ravens winning yesterday and the Bengals winning yesterday if that field goal had sailed down the middle.


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[Assistant] And, and, and you would feel like, oh my god, the season is, uh, you know, a pull from calming completely unraveled. But where's the confidence today in this whole?


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[Assistant] This team desperately needs to put together a strength. And you can't, and when you go win-loss-win-loss-win-loss, like Stefanski has done for the bulk of his time here, you lose all the momentum of a momentous win.


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[Assistant] No, but the opportunity to win four in a row is right here. I mean, look at their schedule coming up. Seattle won't be easy. I'm certainly not going to say that. That's a game that I think if you're picking, there'll be an underdog in that game.


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[Assistant] And I think the verbiage he has a problem with is must win, and I do too. A must win is when you lose your season's over. That's a must win. However, however, in the pantheon of important wins,


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[Assistant] This is one, and again, you go through the schedule when it comes out at the beginning of the year and you say, yea, that should be, should be, should be, should be, you're gonna win some you should lose and you're gonna lose some you should win. Right. We've already lost a game we should have won.


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[Assistant] See, I think, this was my point originally. We're riding high.


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[Assistant] With a great defense, winning a game that easily could have been an L. It easily could have been an L. Everybody here knows that. You got it. You exhale, you move on. You don't apologize for it, you move on.


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[Assistant] I think the idea of a football season, cause yes, there's 17 seasons within themselves. It's all week to week. However,


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[Assistant] A big part of solving these 17 individual seasons are putting together a bunch of wins in a row. And when I look at the schedule I don't know that there's a more favorable part of the schedule for us to win four in a row than this part.


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[Assistant] Scott, the Giants is the only horrible team, but the other three are pretty, uh, uh, commanders are 500 and then the Cowboys and the Eagles are pretty good.


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[Assistant] Uh, Mikey just told me we have 24 Super Chats. So that's gonna take a long time. Wow. That's crazy. We got some good ones.


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[Assistant] I do think the weather had something to do. The one ball that slipped right out of his hand, he must have small hands. I don't know. I'd rather say he sucked. And same with McCaffrey. I mean look, McCaffrey's a great player and they both struggled mightily.


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[Assistant] You know what, I tipped my cap to Lamar Jackson.


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[Assistant] I mean, he made this defense look human. He's the only guy that's made this defense look human. I bet you he doesn't in the second game.


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[Assistant] I hope you're right. I hope you're right. I trust that Jim Swartz is going to figure out exactly what it was they were doing that led to their success. Part of it's just the threat of this guy running at any point in time. That changes the game, man. Maybe that's their kryptonite running quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] No, you know what, they were, the Browns defense held San Francisco's offense to 25% on third down.


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[Assistant] That's an, that's an end of the season conversation. He's had a lot of fails. Even to this point. Yea, he's had a lot of fails. We've got enough hay in the barn. Anthony Schwartz was a pig. We knew that. I mean,


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[Assistant] I want to, I have a question. Uh, I was listening to the post game show because I had an appointment and I had to drive right after the game was over. I was listening to the post game show on the radio and a fan called in and said he was disappointed in A, how many fans left early and B, how many 49ers fans there seemed to be. There were a lot of 49ers fans.


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[Assistant] And then somebody else had said something about that later. I didn't notice.


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[Assistant] It might be something that you can only determine after the kick is made.


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[Assistant] That can't be true. I can't imagine that is true, but if it is, it speaks to these rising defenses. That's a low number.


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[Assistant] And if it's 8th best, I don't know if that's true. We'll have to look into that for tomorrow. But the defenses are definitely stepping up.


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[Assistant] By the way, speaking of the guy that sings that. Chris Stapleton. Chris Stapleton, who's, I'm not a big country guy, but that guy makes great music. His Monday Night Football Open with Snoop. Who's with him?


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[Assistant] You know, we as fans will often say, oh, the team's got no chance, right? The team's got no chance. Do teams actually think that way?


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[Assistant] Are the Browns, like, are Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry quietly admitting


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[Assistant] If, assuming, you know, if they feel this way, we can't win, so why make Nijoku and Betona go play this week?


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[Assistant] I mean, think about one of the, uh, let me ask you guys this really quick. Odds of, percentage chance of the Browns winning this game? Ten. Wow, that's pretty low. Gee.


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[Assistant] No, that's a good point. We've seen bigger upsets. Percentage chance they win this game because the offense outslugs San Francisco's offense. Oh, negligible. I don't even know that.


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[Assistant] There's a variety of possibilities here. Either they're lying about what the injury is and maybe it's something more serious than just a bruise. But, but two weeks ago they cleared them.


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[Assistant] Is it, is it possible he's had a setback? Let me ask you, let me ask you this, Jay, as someone who took these shots, and well, Jay, you too, in baseball, is it possible that from an injection to like relieve the pain, is, is there ever a scenario where something could happen that could make it worse?


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[Assistant] Yeaah. It does seem like... Yeaah, the fact that they essentially, unofficially ruled him out on Thursday, that alone tells you he's not close. If you're ruled out by the middle of the week, you're not anywhere close to playing. I mean, at this point...


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[Assistant] I hope I'm wrong. And they're gonna have to win, like, they're not, obviously their odds of winning this game, this game without them are very slim. But like, you should be able to beat in the app, I think you should be at least competitive with Indianapolis if not beat them.


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[Assistant] And by the way, if he's really going to be out four to six weeks.


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[Assistant] I'll take your- I'll take your- I'll take your- I'll take your-


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[Assistant] I agree, but in the short term, I'm curious about Petonio because...


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[Assistant] I don't either. And that's the one that makes you think that maybe there's something to this because


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[Assistant] So, it, it, it, it, it feels like, well, if he was able to play last week, he should be able to play this week, maybe this is the team telling him not to. Even more than Petonio, because, Petonio, we don't know, it's, it's some sort of injury. Whereas Njoki, he did not have an injury, he had a...


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Right, but it doesn't seem like, I'm no expert, it doesn't seem like that's something that, that is going to feel worse a week later after he played through it. Are you hearing anything, Jay?


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[Assistant] For a rookie, the Bears backup is a rookie who was not even highly drafted.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but George Kittle hadn't, he hadn't done anything the first three weeks of the, the first four weeks of the season. Yo, they moving out. And, and,


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[Assistant] He said if he was here with the same guys here, first of all, again, week one against Cincinnati, the weather was terrible.


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[Assistant] Like, I don't know that even with, to me the only game you could argue that would have been a lot better with Shanahan in theory to me is the Pittsburgh game.


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[Assistant] Because they played great against Tennessee. The Cincinnati game was wacky with the weather. And last week he had to start DTR. Kyle Shanahan's a good coach. Let's not get crazy. He's never won a Super Bowl, okay?


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[Assistant] Right, and their quarterback's getting rid of the ball quickly. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] He's got a bruised rotator cuff. That's what we've been told. I was just looking at the stats, Tim, and I, you know, just double check this, and according to the official records, you were sacked 5,362 times in your Brown's career. So you probably would know about sore shoulders.


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[Assistant] I'm assuming you had a sore shoulder a time or two. How hard is it to, like, without knowing exactly how bad the bruise is, how hard is it to play, period, with a bruised shoulder?


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[Assistant] Tim, the defense obviously played great the first three games, not as well against Baltimore. They really had, you know, the offense was terrible. I mean, you're going into this game, you're playing the Niners who at this point are probably the best team in football. They're great on both sides of the ball and on special teams.


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[Assistant] You know, your only hope of winning this game is if the defense just plays an incredible game and probably forces turnovers. If you're a defensive player on the Browns, and you know that you got PJ Walker, you might not have your left guard, you might not have your, like, what are you thinking here? Is there, is there a tendency for maybe guys to do too much and make mistakes?


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[Assistant] Tim, last thing, man, I know they had a nice win two weeks ago over Florida, but wow, it's got boat race this past week. My gosh.


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[Assistant] A quarterback, because you're one play away from needing it. Not to mention their starting quarterback's been sacked a thousand times. That's right, yeah.


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[Assistant] The reality, the reality is that if, if Watson missed the whole season, no matter who they brought in, they not make it. It doesn't matter. Or most likely. I'll tell you this. You better try.


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[Assistant] Close to Christian McCaffrey right now? No, no, I'm not saying he's running back close.


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[Assistant] You gotta factor- But he does this year! Just like our arguments with Brock Purdy, you gotta factor in who they're playing against.


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[Assistant] That was Mike. It's such a tough call. There's so many guys on the Niners that are so close. There really are.


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[Assistant] Deebo Samuel. Deebo, Ayuk, Kiddle. Ayuk, I say Ayuk.


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[Assistant] By the way, there's two guys that were in the NFL top 100 on the Niners that we haven't even mentioned yet. Dre Greenlaw. Yea, there are other


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[Assistant] See, I don't think so. I'll tell you who's an important player in this game if the Braves have any chance of pulling something.


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[Assistant] Well, I was gonna say Jerome Ford, but whoever running, like the Browns only chance is to run well. I don't know that they'll be able to, but hopefully PJ Walker has 14 passing attempts.


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[Assistant] No, that may be so, Jason, but that doesn't excuse the leagues of fans for saying we didn't agree.


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[Assistant] Well, they paid Patrick Mahomes a ton, he won the Super Bowl last year. Uh, the year before that, the Rams won the Super Bowl with Stafford, who was making a ton. The year before that, Tom Brady was making a ton, he won the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] He's going to play four games. I agree with that. I agree with that. Yeah. We don't know. We, you know, who knows.


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[Assistant] No, no, I don't think. The bottom line is Deandre Hopkins is still playing well. He's got 356 yards on a running offense with a bad quarterback. And we don't want, we don't want nobody.


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[Assistant] Oh listen, I was done. By the way, I'm not going to say the name of the place, but you guys will know what I'm talking about. I actually went to that pizza place that I always complain about last night.


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[Assistant] We had, uh, my son has become really good friends with this other kid named Jack.


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[Assistant] Jack's dad, Jeff, nice guy, he said to me, uhm, hey, you want to join us for dinner tonight? So we all, two families went out, blah, blah, blah, and that's where they were going, so.


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[Assistant] And I know when, once he said where they were going, Bull was like, oh.


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[Assistant] It's actually 8 because there's 18 weeks in the season.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, if they can keep him under 100 total yards, then they'll have a chance. The recipe to winning is that right there.


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[Assistant] What is the average amount of points that he has scored against Jim Schwartz?


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[Assistant] I could see the Browns losing the same way.


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[Assistant] I'm a first? Well here's why you should feel good. You're still a lot.


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[Assistant] So, the Browns have to find their running game with Jerome Ford, okay? I...


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[Assistant] I think Jerome Ford has some talent. I'm, I'm grassroot strong, guys. Uh, I think Jerome Ford has some talent.


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[Assistant] I have never complained. Well, a lot of people in here have been whining and crying about how much the running game has been used. I've never been one of them, but Kevin Stefanski has to commit and stick with the run this game. PJ Walker is somewhere around the 83rd best quarterback in the league. And so we can't rely on him. So there you go. Run the ball. Is that happy? I don't think that was perfect.


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[Assistant] Also, I don't think it's coincidence that these are divisional games where this stuff's happening. Where you play these guys all the time, you know them so well, and weird things happen. We saw what the 49ers did to the Steelers. They pulled their arms and legs off and beat them with them. And hopefully that doesn't happen again this Sunday.


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[Assistant] That's what I'm saying. Like, I put zero stock in the Steelers. None. Zero. I, I would never do, make a bet ever in my life, but if I did, I would pick the Bengals to win the division. Like, I think they're putting it together and they're putting the wheels back on the card.


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[Assistant] If you're 2 and 4, disaster struck because you got Gardner-Minshew. That's right. In week 6, or I guess it would be week 7. Week 7, but game 6. So that, you better win that one. So I don't think, I don't think 2 and 4, I can see 3 and 3, I don't think we're staring down 2 and 4. But the AFC, I, I mean I'm.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, but I still, I still think. So I don't think anything's been given. In the NFL, it's not. It's not. And for the AFC.


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[Assistant] I still put the Bills, the Chiefs Bills and the Dolphins to me are up here and then it's everybody else. Well I agree with that. It's a mediocre division. Well yeaah, it's a mediocre conference outside of those top three. Once you slot those top three in whatever order you want, and maybe some people want to take the Bills out, I don't. Well the Bills house the Dolphins so I don't think you should


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[Assistant] So I put those three in the top and then slot whoever else however you want and the entire division AFC North falls into that. I think it is mediocre and I agree that like I said if I was making a bet I'd put my money on the Bengals to win the division.


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[Assistant] I think Wednesday, I think they're off tomorrow. They're back on the practice field Wednesday. If he's not practicing Wednesday. Wednesday will be the telltale day.


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[Assistant] I think you need to wait another couple weeks and see how the rest of the market develops. See how the rest of the trade market develops. I don't know that he's the best that's out there. Yeah, that's early. Well, Trent Brown, I think, is the best that's out there. So I think, I just, I think you need, like I said, you head to the buy week to fix the running back thing because of what was out there. Well, that's not out there anymore.


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[Assistant] So that changes that conversation entirely. I think, I think it's a little bit premature to have the trade discussion.


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[Assistant] And I think you gotta wait a little bit longer and see what teams decide. You would hate to make, I mean, Gary Bowles is okay, but you would, I would hate to make a move for someone like that now and have someone better emerge three weeks from now. And I understand you could lose the entire season the next three weeks. Yeah. But I still, I think it's a little bit, there's not many guys that


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[Assistant] Look at, look at Sean Payton without Drew Brees and look at Bill Belichick without Tom Brady.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't think they're the same. Well, they're both these great, legendary, brilliant mind coaches and I still think Bill's a terrific coach. That's what I'm saying. Bill has genius credentials. He's still in a class of his own.


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[Assistant] I do too. I think that treat them all the same. Yeah, but I still think he's a fraud of a coach and Mike said it when they had the post game with Salah, right at midfield. Yes. Told him, stay humble. Oh, we did.


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[Assistant] What's interesting though, Miami needs home field because Miami playing in the cold in January. I don't think that offense is going to look the same going to Buffalo or Kansas City. They need home field throughout. And they know that.


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[Assistant] There was, uh, I don't know where we were going to go here, but I should have thought about that. There, Kyle and Ray did not.


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[Assistant] See eye to eye. At all. Right. And I'd heard that. At all. I'd heard that.


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[Assistant] We, I actually asked Kyle about that at the owner's meetings in March. Really? Yeaah. And he didn't really want to talk about it very much.


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[Assistant] Looking into a story on the Browns and ultimately we didn't really do a whole lot. It just didn't come together. And so that was part of it was that PowerPoint presentation of that whole era. And so we kind of were digging in.


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[Assistant] And those pieces are immovable. I've had players tell me again this year, it's not a coincidence our best year was 2020 under this regime. That's not a coincidence because there was nobody else in the building and it was all football all the time. Nobody to get in the way. They're still talking about that.


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[Assistant] You say what you want about Josh McDaniels. I know he hasn't fared well. He's awful. But that was what, that was what he told them in his interview was you need to gut the entire building. Everybody goes and I decide who stays and who goes.


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[Assistant] Go ahead. Well, I think a lot, probably around the country, some people probably don't pay that close attention to the Browns and they're probably curious, but I think if you lived it, you know, Baker knows exactly why he's not here. Of course he does. I'm a little confused. Well, you asked for a trade.


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[Assistant] If none of this happened with Deshaun Watson, if Deshaun never asked for a trade from Houston in the first place, take away all of the allegations and everything, go back before all that. If he doesn't ask for a trade out of Houston and that whole thing unravels, Baker probably is still back here because there was nobody out there that was clearly head and shoulders better than what the Browns had.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think that the Browns felt like the reason they targeted Deshaun was they felt like he was head and shoulders clearly better than Baker and they had the numbers to back it up. Now has it panned out that way? No, not to this point it hasn't. We still got a long way to go. But to this point, he hasn't been demonstrably better.


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[Assistant] I was just trying to pull it up. I can't find them, but I, I've written about this a million times. Throw the shoulder injury out. Just look at his late game situations. Baker's late game.


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[Assistant] And there was always an excuse. The Kansas City game, he had to drive him down the field through the interception. Well, he was tripped. There was always an excuse attached to it. The fact is, he could never deliver and gotta have at moments when you need your quarterback the most. And that's why I'm, to take this back to the Purdy thing, I'm really curious to see


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[Assistant] How does Purdy react in those situations when the Niners are against a really good team? Yeah, when you're in a late game, gotta have it. You're at the 15 and you gotta drive and score and you got 88 seconds to do it. How do you respond? Baker can't handle those situations.


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[Assistant] And that's why they moved on from him. He just didn't have it. Now, he could have a wonderful year in Tampa. He could put up great numbers this year and the master bakers are going to take a victory lap and that's fine.


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[Assistant] And he's clearly not. And he could have a wonderful statistical year. That doesn't mean next year he's gonna come back and do it again because history has shown with him it's that level of consistency week to week to week and year to year to year that he does not possess.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's not good. That's not good. Well, I actually think that's smart.


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[Assistant] That was weird. Well, I actually forgot that Andrew said that. I think that they're taking the approach this week of, listen, we're just not going to talk about this. We got in so much trouble last time.


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[Assistant] I mean, again, they thought he was going to play against Baltimore, but the guys I talked to in the locker room, there was no question he was going to play San Francisco. Like not even.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, he's the model. He really is. What's the key to that? What's the hardest part?


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[Assistant] How many are the Niners going to get or how many is he specifically going to give up?


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[Assistant] Right. I'm gonna give him credit. I'm gonna give him credit because, you know, we like to get on Deshaun Watson when he doesn't say the right things sometimes. Right. And this time he saved everybody because he said the right things and he absolutely had a slam dunk when he came out there and said, listen,


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[Assistant] Here's a tear, so there's no more, more speculation on what it is, a bruise, anything. He let everybody know up front, it's a tear. Micro tears. Micro tear. He also let everybody know that he's not going to be a hundred percent. He doesn't feel this year.


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[Assistant] So he's letting people know, hey, I'm going to be fighting through some stuff the rest of this year. Also, he was like, look, it's day to day. I don't know if I'm going to be playing next week.


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[Assistant] Uh, I really wouldn't get back out there, but it's day to day, we're working with dysentery and I'm doing my best to get back on the field. And then he finally put the nail in the coffin by saying, you know what?


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[Assistant] As an organization, as a coaching staff, as a training staff, and with me and my team, we are all on the same page in terms of how we're going to move forward and when I'm going to get back on the field. My only problem is it took three weeks to get back on the field.


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[Assistant] So you said it was like 10 to 15, 10 to 15 throws. Did that increase, uhm, when you came back and you didn't rest it against the Buffalo Bills? Did that go up to say 20 or 25 throws you had?


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[Assistant] What Delpit and Thornhill has been playing well. So you got a lot of infrastructure around those guys in the secondary. Uhm, you know, I'm amazed how well.


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[Assistant] It's the linebacker core, 5 and 6, Taki Taki, uhm, you know, these guys are playing well. I mean, it's the same people, and matter of fact, all three of them are coming off injuries, so.


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[Assistant] And it's a thing when you start attacking. There's something to be said about when you're attacking.


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[Assistant] When you're attacking, it seems like, I played it in a 3-4 and a 4-3. And when we played it in a 3-4, you're doing a lot of moving side to side, catching linemen, trying to hold them up so they don't get to the next level. And it just, it's funny how when you're the aggressor,


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[Assistant] Have to sit back and pass block when they know what's coming. The aggressor always seems to be...


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[Assistant] Bernie, do you think, I talk about the Kool-Aid all the time. Do you think they're intoxicated a little bit? When you get a win, right, against a team like the 40 Diners, and you have to sit on the sideline and watch your teammates celebrate.


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[Assistant] On the x-axis is loyalty. On the y-axis is, is, is patience. Usually you get a reward somewhere be long, ah, over five or six because loyalty always wanes when people's, when people's patience get low. Steelers fans want


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[Assistant] Sometimes you can beat a guy in two seconds and he flushes the guy right to miles gear. Or there's times where he's beating his guy, quarterback just does a good job of getting rid of the ball. Sacks are a function of right place, right time, just like interceptions are.


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[Assistant] There's gonna be a game where either him or Miles Garrett, they get hot, or what I call just basically being where they're supposed to, and they'll rack off and run off two, three sacks of the game. It just happens like that where you got good players.


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[Assistant] I think they'll, they'll be just about that. I'm not conceding nothing to the coach. They're not going, just because they can't throw the football don't mean they're going to run the ball for hundreds of thousands of yards. Listen. Well, nobody said they can have a huge


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[Assistant] I like what they, I like the Colts, what they got, uh, what's the name, Taylor back? Moss has been doing, but Moss is no Derek Henry or Christian McCaffrey. The Cleveland Browns are coming off a game where I think this only stokes the fires. They're going to be even more emboldened.


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[Assistant] They're going to be like, listen, we'll put 35 dudes up here and you're not going to run them all off.


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[Assistant] I used to be the, I flip-flop on this a little bit. I used to be an offensive guy. I played defense, but I always felt like offense was the way you really made your money in the league. It was the way that you could get to the Super Bowl. But as I started looking at, you know, in the past and taking things, uhm, you know, and just looking at the information, I look at the great offenses.


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[Assistant] In my time, or anybody's time that were great, that never won. Like, I mean, the Bills offense was dominant. The Bills could throw the ball, they could run the ball, they got wide receivers, uh, Reed and Kelly and Thurman-Thomas, they never won. The warm moon teams of the 90s, they never won.


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[Assistant] Recently, it's been great offensive teams that have won. Well, well, I'm gonna fast forward and keep going. When you talk about, a lot of it is, there's a lot of offensive teams that had really good, if you look at it, you break it down as far as teams go. Who's really won? Manny, Brady, and Mahomes.


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[Assistant] I think, I think it's easier, if I got a team, right, and I got a dominant defense, right, traditionally it takes less money to stock a defense than an offense.


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[Assistant] I thought the Denver Broncos carried Peyton Manning at the end of his career.


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[Assistant] Quiet has kept what was happening. See teams run up and down the field, but how many games do you watch where offense is playing well and they get stopped on first and second down, but then here comes the flag.


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[Assistant] Like, it ain't like they just runnin' open. You know how many sustained drives you can get on pass interference, illegal hands to the face, defensive holding.


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[Assistant] He wants offense. It's good for business. It is good for business. So if you eliminate those, and you gotta consistently convert on third down, and guess what? Holding is off inside the red zone, cause I can hold you within five yards. Right. So now you're gonna have to come up with a creative way to score.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the Dolphins offense or the Browns defense?


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[Assistant] Oh wow. Okay. So you ready to go on national TV this game when you're doing the game to say the Browns are the number one defense in the league bar none.


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[Assistant] I'm willing to cash out his plays to, uh, from Elijah Moore. Go ahead and just siphon those right over to Goodwin. We'll take that money.


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[Assistant] What is the longest play call that you ever did in a huddle? Do you remember a play call where it was super duper duper duper long?


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[Assistant] Hey, here we are on a Thursday Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. Adam the Bull, G. Bush, and Mikey McNuggets, and we got a lot to get to today. We were just talking a little World Series. It's over. The Rangers have won their first championship.


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[Assistant] Uh, Anthony's cousin, and Anthony is sitting in Mike's chair today. Anthony's cousin, Austin Hedges, winning a championship, of course. Part of that ranger team, uh.


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[Assistant] Apparently he was on Chris Rose's podcast or something? The Rose Rotation. And I think he said he was gonna wear, uh, assless chaps in the parade? He did.


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[Assistant] Is that true? I don't know. He said it. Will he do it? Who knows? But that's what he said. Yeah, Mike and, uh, Chris Russo said he was gonna retire if the Diamondbacks got to the World Series and he's, uh, not shockingly not a man of his word.


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[Assistant] Uh, so we'll talk a little bit about the World Series in overtime, what the Guardians are going to do with their uh, manager situation maybe. In overtime I talked a little bit about it on my podcast today. The Cavs won! Yay! Excited?


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[Assistant] These sports need to take control of these situations. Like baseball's gotta take over all these Valley stations. They gotta make it accessible. We should be able to watch everything on... It's 2023. We shouldn't have to pay for cable.


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[Assistant] Or anything else, we should be able to pay for our team, at the very least, we should be able to pay for the MLB package on any, or anything.


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[Assistant] I mean, they have their network, but they don't, they need to provide, they need to provide access to all the games. It's ridiculous.


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[Assistant] I know, it's ridiculous. And you know what ticks me off when it comes to, I don't know about basketball because I don't know the league path, but with baseball, let's say the Cubs are playing the Guardians and I want to listen to the Cubs broadcast instead of the Guardians broadcast on TV.


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[Assistant] I can't. Right. That's blacked out also. Yep. Which is unfair. It's a joke. It's so ridiculous. You're preventing fans who want to watch your sport from watching. Yeah. Which is insane. The blackout rules are archaic, stupid, and old. Dumb. Dumb. Get rid of them. Alright.


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[Assistant] But we're gonna spend most of the show, of course, talking about the Browns. So a lot to get to today. We will have, uhm, Leroy on at 11.30. We will have Adidi on about 12.30.


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[Assistant] for this weekend. That's right, she's doing the game. We'll do Fence Riders, but in just a moment, we of course are going to talk about the fact that Deshaun Watson was back on the practice field and there are conflicting reports about whether he had zip


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[Assistant] And the FanDuel points spread on the Browns. Cardinals Sunday is 8. Browns are favored by 8. Although guys, we don't know for sure who's going to be the quarterback for either team.


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[Assistant] Could come down Sunday, maybe even the Cardinals. So as of today.


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[Assistant] It appears that Clayton Toon is starting for the Cardinals, making his first NFL start, and it appears that PJ Walker, now one thing we do know that we didn't know yesterday during the show, is PJ Walker will start if Deshaun Watson can't go. Yes. It will not be DTR, that we know for sure. We don't know what Deshaun Watson's status is, uh, and I gotta say guys, that


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[Assistant] Now listen, if Deshaun Watson is able to play this week, or even next week,


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[Assistant] And he plays well, plays at a winning capable level.


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[Assistant] We saw Deshaun Watson, what's today, Thursday, 11 days ago, 11 days, take the field against the Colts and look like he'd never thrown a football before.


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[Assistant] Listen, he's a way better athlete than I am. I grant you that. Soccer.


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[Assistant] I can't imagine you could look like that 11 days ago and whether it's this Sunday and 14 days or next Sunday and 21 days, you're totally fine. I find that impossible to believe. Maybe I'm wrong?


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[Assistant] We like Quincy, good dude. Yeah, good job out of Quincy. I, I agree, I agree with him too. It is a good idea. Do it today. Do it today. I would do that every Thursday, and if he passes, he plays. If he doesn't, he doesn't. But I think Mike makes a good point.


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[Assistant] The idea of saving him for Baltimore is stupid. Have him, if he passes this test...


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[Assistant] Then play him against Arizona this week. And if he can't get through it again, then like, cause it...


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[Assistant] Two hours ago I recorded my podcast for today and I predicted that he wouldn't play. And now two hours later I'm convincing myself he's going to play this week.


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[Assistant] That's the situation we've been in, it feels like, for two months. It is.


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[Assistant] We talk about this both of the last two days. I would start, I mean, to me, this would be, this is the perfect game that DTR play the first game against Arizona. The worst team you're going to play all, you know, them and the Bears are the two worst teams you're going to play the rest of the year. Like let him play this game. But for some reason, listen, we're the only, we said this yesterday, none of us are at practice.


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[Assistant] Yeah. I mean, it's hard to tell watching a video, I-


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[Assistant] To me, I, I didn't, I didn't think he had any kind of zip. I, I, you know, but I'm watching a video. How do you know? It, it's a controlled environment practice. You know, this Sunday, it's gonna be, it's not gonna be...


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[Assistant] There's just so many things going on in your head in the game, right? You're worried about getting hit. You're worried about reading the defense. Like, in a situation like this, you just, it's a pitch and catch, and like, in the game, you're, you're, you're just, body's gonna react differently to game situations.


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[Assistant] To now be thinking about the position of your arm. If you're actively thinking about that, there's no way you could play at a high level that way.


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[Assistant] And I'm fine with that, and I'm fine with that, but in the end, I'm not going to believe he can play at a high level until I see it.


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[Assistant] See at baseball when guys get the yips. Yeaah. Remember, there was this, there's a pitcher on the Rockies now, Daniel Bard. He was out of baseball for seven years because he couldn't throw the ball with the plate.


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[Assistant] This should not come down to Sunday, by the way. Because...


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[Assistant] The injury, they've talked about it. And Bernie talked about it. It's not the, you know, he's not the same person, but.


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[Assistant] It's not about pain. It's not about let's wait till Sunday and see if he can play through the pain. It's about can he make the throws? And if he can't make them...


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[Assistant] Today, well he's not gonna make them, he can't make them Sunday. And if he can make them today, unless something happens, he should be able to make them Sunday. So, if he can make them today, then he should be the starter.


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[Assistant] And if, and if something happens between now and then, okay, well then you go to PJ Walker, but this should not be a game time decision Sunday.


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[Assistant] I don't think that's gonna happen. But I'm saying we could be in that situation. We could. I just don't think it's gonna happen. I think they're gonna make a statement today. Even if they don't announce it.


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[Assistant] I think it, within the locker room, they got it, they got it.


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[Assistant] P.J. Walker, you practiced all last week. I don't want to hear anymore excuses. You're playing the Cardinals. Do we think there's any chance Kyler Murray is going to play? I do.


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[Assistant] Put me in close. Remember, he's not like, it's not, at this point he, yes he's coming back from an injury, but the injury was a year ago. He's not, he's not like still suffering any injury right now.


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[Assistant] They got a veteran journeyman, Jeff Driscoll, on their practice squad. They can make him the backup quarterback this week. Alright, let's talk, Leroy, we got Leroy ready, right?


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[Assistant] That was your best year catching passes, statistically.


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[Assistant] You had 48 catches, 567 yards. That's almost 12 yards per reception. That's that's kind of, that's kind of crazy. That's great. And keep in mind.


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[Assistant] Leroy, I didn't remember that in 96 you played for three teams. I knew you, you played for Baltimore, Minnesota, but I didn't know you played for Carolina that year too.


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[Assistant] How fair it is, the defense should have made a stop and they could have still won the game.


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[Assistant] How tough, like, the Browns are getting the worst quarterback play in the league, right?


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[Assistant] Sean did not play well. I mean, he played well in the Titans game. Outside of that game, they've gotten terrible quarterback play. PJ Walker, in his career, six touchdowns, 18 turnovers. This year, one touchdown, six turnovers. And yet, they've, they've somehow won two out of three.


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[Assistant] When you're the other players on the team or especially if you're the defense, I know you played offense, but if you're the defense and you're playing and you're like, we're playing really well each week. It's hard. I mean, does it wear down the defense knowing that you have a quarterback that can't really win a game for you or is that not at all?


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[Assistant] Before we ask another question, let me just give you this update. Deshaun Watson is speaking as we speak.


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[Assistant] Said he felt good after yesterday's practice, quote, part of the process, part of the protocol.


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[Assistant] Except for the people that met. Well, they've got a lot of injuries.


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[Assistant] But. The Browns have been a middle of the road running team since Nick Chubb got hurt. And they've run the ball a ton. The last two weeks they've run like 60 times. More. They need to. More than that.


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[Assistant] But I would have run the ball there too. I would have run. But in the end, the defense still had the opportunity to stop them, and they failed. Even if you stop them for a field goal, you can go to overtime. But I agree with you, I would have run the ball in that situation. Yes.


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[Assistant] Go ahead. No, I was just gonna, I was gonna say goodbye. I was gonna say goodbye, but you got something else to say? Go ahead.


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[Assistant] Alright. Oh yeaah, let me give you this real quick before you go. Who you got? Kansas City, Miami this week. Who's winning that game?


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[Assistant] Alright guys. Alright, always good chatting with Leroy and uhm, you know.


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[Assistant] We've, we heard him talk about, uh, Deshaun Watson's shoulder. We're gonna get to Fence Riders in just a second, Anthony, but we heard Leroy talk about Deshaun Watson's shoulder.


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[Assistant] And we heard Bernie, who had, you know, I'll say the similar, maybe even the same injury, talk about the shoulder. And that just, again, goes back to the point of how did you not address a backup option?


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[Assistant] Because as we've alluded to and as Lee Roy just said there, yeaah. He may look good in practice.


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[Assistant] Well, we have a lot of people these days that apparently do their own medical research. Gee, we've seen that for a couple of years now. They're experts on vaccines, they're experts on everything.


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[Assistant] Yup. And, uh, oh my god. Hanford Dixon. Hanford Dixon's got me. Yup. Yup. Yup.


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[Assistant] Especially Hanford. Hanford should have known better. Brady Quinn, you know, like.


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[Assistant] Whatever, he's got his thing. But, but Hanford should have known better. Yeaah, and you can't. That's a bad job on Hanford.


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[Assistant] And let's face it, some of, a lot of the questioning is because of the off the field stuff. Yes!


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[Assistant] Who's legitimate question? There's a lot of people. Hanford screwed up.


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[Assistant] And the bottom line is when a quarterback of Deshaun, like we could say they should sit him, they should sit him, we say the same thing with Baker. The bottom line is, when a quarterback, the stature of Deshaun Watson says, I'm good to go. He plays. The coach lets him. He plays. He plays. That's it. And I think he's showing some signs of growth.


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[Assistant] If he's being honest. By admitting it. By, by admitting, hey, I made a mistake. I think it's interesting that he said I made a mistake.


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[Assistant] Maybe in a way he's trying to tell everybody, hey, all this nonsense about I'm having a beef with the Browns, we're good.


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[Assistant] In a way, he's he's he's helping Kevin Stefanski with these comments.


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[Assistant] Stefanski in the last two weeks has not given any time tables at all. Nothing.


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[Assistant] And I think it feels like they are on the same page right now.


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[Assistant] I can't remember because I'm going to make this comment unless we do. Do we have a PJ Walker question in this game?


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[Assistant] If PJ, like, remember, G wasn't here because he wasn't feeling well Monday and Tuesday, but on Monday and Tuesday we were like,


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[Assistant] It felt like PJ Walker had a decent game for him, and his numbers were still hideous. Under 50% completion, 3 turnovers, and it still felt like a decent game, like that's how bad he's been.


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[Assistant] I think the Browns are only gonna like complete like 12, 13 passes in the game period. That's it. They're gonna run the ball and they're gonna have a lead and they're not gonna have to throw the ball at all. And the Cardinals shouldn't score in this game or should score. I got it like 24, 27, a 10 or seven or nine or something like that. Unless you count.


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[Assistant] If you had to bet the rest of the season, Elijah Moore, three touchdowns or zero, what would you bet?


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[Assistant] Why? I'll give you a much better receiver that had zero touchdowns last year.


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[Assistant] And in fact, he has one touchdown in his last 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22. He scored one touchdown in his last 22 games.


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[Assistant] If Elijah Moore scores a touchdown this week, Earl is getting bragging time. He's got to be able to get his bragging.


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[Assistant] And Elijah Moore scores the touchdown. That's crazy. Earl, it's always good to be on the right side of history. Don't worry. Go ahead. Next, Anthony.


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[Assistant] It's not, in this case, it's not even about the Brown secondary. It's a... It's a quarterback, too. It's a quarterback, yeaah. Marquise Brown, the most yards he's had in a game this year is, uh, what the hell?


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[Assistant] Marquis Brown this year, he did have 96 yards in the game against the Niners.


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[Assistant] By the way, can we get Brock Purdy? Is Jay going to admit that Brock Purdy's not better than Josh Allen? Oh wow. Oh, that's a take.


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[Assistant] No, they won't. They'll break a couple of big runs. They won't. I think they might get over 200 yards rushing this week. I think they're gonna, they're gonna... Wow. Kill them on the ground.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you lose all your bread. You lose your whole house. Alright, we got a new game show to play. We do. Every day we come up with new games. This one's called the BS Meter. Okay.


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[Assistant] Right, is that what I put? You did, you did give it a 10. Oh, the bull turned red.


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[Assistant] Now, I do think he likes the roster. That part of this I agree with. But he doesn't like the quarterback. He has to be frustrated.


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[Assistant] And there's no way he really believes that. So I think that is 100% PS that he's not frustrated that he didn't get a quarterback. Now,


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[Assistant] Maybe I should have said eight because maybe he's not frustrated because maybe he knows that they really tried hard and in the end they couldn't get it done.


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[Assistant] And, you know, he has inside information that we don't have, so maybe I should have softened it a little with an 8. But overall, there's no way he can be happy with the quarterback situation.


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[Assistant] I wonder where, and obviously the Browns have, you know, they lost uhm,


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[Assistant] They've only lost, they've lost two games since Watson got hurt, right? The Raven, yea, two games.


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[Assistant] If, you know, DeShaw Watson had played obviously his best game with Tennessee, if he had not gotten hurt in this game, like, you think about, like, where would they be?


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[Assistant] Right? Was he about to pop again? Right. Or was he going to be up and down?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't think it would matter. I don't think that's not a reason not to make the trade.


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[Assistant] That's fair. I, uh, yeaah. I give it a five. I mean, cause that could go either way. Same ranges. Could go either way.


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[Assistant] Everyone has to start doing it. By the way, you know what happened? Like all his conspiracy theories, well people will believe all his nonsense. Oh, they will. If he comes back quicker.


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[Assistant] Mikey McNuggets and myself will all be at


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[Assistant] So please, invite us to your tailgate. I want to go to some tailgates where people are making some creative meals. And pumped up too. Yeah, we want a lot of excitement, a lot of energy. It's going to be a lot of fun. And one person who's going to be in Cleveland this Sunday is Aditi Kikuballa from CBS. There she is.


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[Assistant] I know, I'm getting a bidet or what's called a water, uh, I'm getting one of those.


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[Assistant] Uh, I had surgery and then I had to wear a cast on my leg for, I think it was 10 days and then I went into a boot. But for those 10 days I couldn't take a shower. And it was the worst.


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[Assistant] That's right. Alright, let's get to some football stuff. Aditi, this Deshaun Watson situation is just a mess. It's like...


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[Assistant] You know, I can't remember if we've communicated this to you, but when Bernie was here, he had the same exact injury, and he said, like, you just don't know from week to week how your arm's gonna fire. And this is an injury that takes a long time to fully heal.


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[Assistant] I was just so surprised the Browns didn't, they tried to get Jacobi Percent apparently, apparently they, reportedly they offered a 6th round pick. I'm surprised they didn't try harder. You know, I think this team,


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[Assistant] Yes, but it's not going to appease people like, I agree with you. The people that are saying, is he really hurt? Why is he not playing? That's stupid. Brady Quinn, I thought his comments were ridiculous.


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[Assistant] Like, it, it's fine and dandy to be able to make throws in practice. It's another thing that we saw in the game of D.D.


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[Assistant] No, Aditi, you're right. If he does get back to as close to 100% as he can get, then yes, we will have a better feel for it. I guess our assumption is that we're never gonna see that this year.


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[Assistant] And, and you're not as, as, you know, you're not thinking that we might, you think there's a chance. No.


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[Assistant] The Browns have obviously, two of the last three weeks, found ways to win. Despite getting, I would say neg-, you know, overall net negative play.


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[Assistant] Last, you have talked about for the last few weeks and it's been a really good point. Hey, the defense has to win the games. They're, you know, the alpha unit, they're the lead unit, whatever. Well, a lot was made.


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[Assistant] of Kevin Stefanski throwing the ball last week on that third down play that led to an interception. It's a fair criticism in my opinion and I defend Stefanski and I rarely complain about play calling. However, what I feel like has gotten lost a lot this week


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[Assistant] Well, because they have a better passing game and they have a better quarterback right now.


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[Assistant] Okay, pause. I don't know. Talking about her taking a bath. Mike's a little forward of you. Uh, go ahead.


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[Assistant] Uh, Halloween was the first anniversary of when we started memberships on the show. The show premiered May 9th of 2022.


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[Assistant] And then on October 31st of 2022, we premiered memberships and we wanted to thank


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[Assistant] Those members that have been with us for a full year. So there was a handful of people that signed up the first day, October 31st. Another group that signed up the second day, November 1st. And another group that signed up the third day, November 2nd, which is today, a year later.


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[Assistant] And so we now want to thank the people that have now been with us a year as of today. CNR Studios, Joe Allier, and Brian, don't call me Rico Suave. I like that.


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[Assistant] Definitely be there. By the way, our crew is going for lunch.


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[Assistant] At Sweet Pork Wilson's today, it's a, it's a restaurant that just opened about two months ago. I mentioned it last week after I had went. G, Mikey McNuggets, myself, Anthony, Steve.


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[Assistant] Uh, Jack, our new sales guy, and that's it. Earl can't make it today, unfortunately, and Pivus and Jason aren't here, but the rest of us are going, and we are gonna feast. I know the guys are excited that we're coming down, we cannot wait.


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[Assistant] You know what I'm talking about? And that guy has a new experience. Do you remember what I'm talking about? That's what Anthony thinks. Put him back up Steve, put him back up.


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[Assistant] Yes, I don't know what it is. Alright, on overtime, we're talking baseball. We have new World Series champs. And the Guardians need a manager. That's coming up in overtime. We'll see you then.


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[Assistant] I'm Jason Lloyd. Remember that 80's movie Full Metal Jacket? You're gonna watch it again on Sunday. We'll talk about it later on. Mikey.


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[Assistant] Well, I agree with that, but also there are going to be opportunities where he has to throw the ball, obviously. Get the ball out on time, on target, and don't turn it over. That's the whole key for me.


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[Assistant] Interceptions are a backbreaker in this game. You cannot give San Francisco a short field. You will have no chance to win this game.


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[Assistant] Be, uh, be cautious with the ball. Be careful with the ball. Don't throw it into tight coverages. We saw some horrible throws from DTR a couple weeks ago. The game was too fast for him. That can't happen again. Just be conservative with it. Get it out on time, on target, and take care of it. That's, that's really what you need to get out of him.


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[Assistant] He can get the most out of average quarterbacks and PJ Walker, if I'm being kind, is an average NFL quarterback. So he knows how to work with limited quarterbacks. He knows how to get the best out of them.


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[Assistant] It's just a tall task. If you want to stake his reputation on this game with no Betonio, no Deshaun, no Nick Chubb, and this is the game you want him to go out and cook you a meal, boy, you better take some Pepto.


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[Assistant] You know the reason the Browns moved up statistically is because the Cowboys were up there.


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[Assistant] And the 49ers dismantled them last week. That's right. And I think there's something to be learned from that. The Browns can watch that film and see the way that they neutralize Micah Parsons. He was a non-factor in that game. Look at some of the things that San Francisco was successful with in Dallas and try and change it up a little bit. I think it's going to be a fun game. If you like defense, it'll be a low scoring game. Take the under.


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[Assistant] It could go either way. This is so close. You could easily make a case that you did for miles.


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[Assistant] I'll say Trent only because I'm going to go off recent history. Micah Parsons is just as dominant as Myles Garrett is an NFL player. Not one pressure last week when he was matched up against Trent Williams and in three games in his career, Trent against Micah Parsons. He's had two pressures and I think it was like 26 attempts.


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[Assistant] So he has handled this type of elite talent level before at a pass rush spot. If he does struggle a little bit, they can always slide someone else over and double them. Myles doesn't have that advantage of having a second guy help him out. He can't move though. He can go to the other side. He can move. But in those matchups where it's Trent against Myles,


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[Assistant] I have to give a very slight edge to Trenton. Just very slight. But if you're going to the game, just watch that. You're going to have some fun.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I have to agree with you on Ward, just because of who's throwing the ball to a mark.


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[Assistant] And that makes a big difference as well. And so, you know, if, if Deshawn's in this game, I probably would give the edge to Marty Cooper just because of his veteran, uh, know how, knows how to get open, knows how to run routes, a very skilled route runner running the best of the league. But just because of the,


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[Assistant] The inability of the Browns offense to push the ball down the field, I have a fear is coming in this game with PJ. I have to go with Ward.


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[Assistant] Remember the movie Full Metal Jacket? Remember the scene in the bunk bed when...


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[Assistant] And welcome to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show here on WKYC Channel 3. Thank you so much for checking us out. Even though it's a bye week, we've got 30 minutes of hot content. I'm Jay Crawford coming up on this show.


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[Assistant] I am going to show you the trick play the Browns must insert into their playbook that will never


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[Assistant] He always has the funniest intro line. And you didn't disappoint us once again. I know football, uh, Sunday without a Browns football game is, it's painful. You said it's a four. I agree. It's about.


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[Assistant] So let's pass out the grades, and we're gonna grade offense, defense, special teams, and coaching. Bull, you start with the offense. What do we get?


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[Assistant] And I'm exactly where you are. I thought about going D, but I can't erase what we saw in the Tennessee game.


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[Assistant] So I don't think it's a D student. I just don't. We've seen how good they can be against Tennessee. We've seen how bad they can be against Baltimore. Somewhere in the middle lies the truth. I give them a C minus. Next up, defense. And Jason, you can start there.


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[Assistant] So I'm the teacher that when the student comes to school and they're sick and they don't really have their best test day, I take that into account. No, the defense wasn't sick.


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[Assistant] But the offense was, they came in knowing there is zero room for error.


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[Assistant] And before they could blink, the offense gave them the Baltimore, the ball on a short field. It's seven, nothing. And defense at that point was thinking, I've seen enough of this offense to know that they're not going to score. So I'm not saying they gave up, but they knew to save your energy and take the L. I'm giving them an A.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's go to special teams. Lot going on with this special teams unit. Lot of good, lot of bad. Gbush, where do you


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm gonna give them a B minus and here's why. In the kicking game, in the special teams game, I weigh, heavily weigh, the field goal kicking. Because that's a big part of football, let's face it. Our kicker in Dustin Hopkins has been


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[Assistant] better than any of us could have imagined. He's been incredible. He's got 50 plus yard field goals in three straight games. It's only been done by Phil Dawson ever. So B minus with a strong emphasis on you better figure out the pump returning position because that's been woefully bad.


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[Assistant] And I think that's where we are. Alright, now let's grade the coaches. And guys, this was the hardest one for me because on defense, we all agree that the defensive coordinator and Jim Swartz was the biggest acquisition move they made in the entire offseason, player or not. He's been phenomenal. His schemes,


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[Assistant] have let this defense be as good as they've been. But on offense, I'm just not seeing it. I'm sorry. I went back and looked. Kevin Stefanski won four games in a row, twice in 2020.


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[Assistant] In 2021, he won three games in a row once. They didn't do it last year, and they haven't done it yet this year. Win, lose, win, lose, win, lose. Give me some consistency, so for that reason, I'm gonna be minus.


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[Assistant] I remember that comment on the grade card. Oh, I got it all the time. Yea, I did too. It needs improvement. Live up to the potential. Yea. Alright, we're taking a break here on the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. When we come back, we hear from an expert in sports injuries. Should we be concerned about Deshaun Watson's shoulder?


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[Assistant] Welcome back to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show on WKYC Channel 3. So it's a big concern for the Cleveland Browns. What is going on with the shoulder of quarterback Deshaun Watson? We know he had to sit out last game against the Ravens. He's got the buy to get well. But what are the chances he comes back and is 100%?


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[Assistant] Well, The Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show talked to Dr. Jesse Morse early this morning to find out what we may be looking at here.


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[Assistant] Welcome back to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. Stinks that we don't have Browns football on Sunday, but the Browns are looking at it as, oh, thank God we don't have to play a football game on Sunday.


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[Assistant] We're gonna talk about the biggest changes in the football team that each of us would make, and mine's very simple.


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[Assistant] Go back to Deshaun Watson. He fixes a lot of ills. If he's healthy and he's back out there, do what you did against Tennessee. Give it your best shot against San Francisco and see


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[Assistant] We've seen a lot of trick plays from this Kevin Stefanski offense. I'd say right now, none of them have been home runs. They've all been sort of mid. So we tasked the guys on the panel to draw up the one trick play that you want to see in the San Francisco game. And we're going to start with you Bull and it cannot include a


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[Assistant] Uh, we've heard of the Bush-Push. Yep. Philadelphia Eagles are working that to perfection now. Mine's called not the Garrett Bush.


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[Assistant] The Garrett push. And here's how this play works. Miles Garrett is lined up as the fullback. You've stolen my thing. Well I told you guys yesterday that this was my play. Can't confirm. So Miles Garrett is lined up as the fullback. If you want to use Harrison Bryant because for whatever reason our quarterback Watson doesn't like doing these.


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[Assistant] He's just gonna sneak the ball and Myles Garrett doesn't touch the ball. He just grabs the quarterback and carries him forward to the first down. It will work every time. Philadelphia Eagles.


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[Assistant] Alright, we're taking a break when we come back. Absurd odds on the Browns winning the division. What's up with that? When the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show comes right back.


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[Assistant] Alright, welcome back to the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. We love talking about percentage chances of making the playoffs. We know it's four games in, they're two and two. ESPN uses something that they call the F.P.I. Here are the chances ESPN gives the Browns of winning the division or just making the playoffs as a wild card.


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[Assistant] To win the division, they're an 11.5% chance. To make the playoffs a little more than 48% chance. Jason, which of those numbers is more wrong?


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[Assistant] Yeah, the thing of it is there's four teams, so if you just did it on a blind average draw, which we know can't be that way, they're all 25%.


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[Assistant] The Bengals are in a really interesting spot because you're right, if they lose this week


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[Assistant] Their path to the playoffs gets very, very narrow. So I would actually, if the Browns, without playing, stay at 2 and 2, and you've got the Bengals at 1 and 4, I think the Browns would go up to like a 30 to a 35% chance. But the 11% ESPN, come on. You guys are better than that. You really are. Alright.


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[Assistant] No Buckeye, or no Browns game. We do have the Buckeye game Saturday. That hopefully will get us over the hump. One thing I want to take a second to do right now, if you're watching this show and you're saying, wow, this is an interesting show, I've never seen it before.


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[Assistant] That's gonna do it for this edition of the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show on WKYC. We'll see you next week.


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[Assistant] He changed the game because it was always a calendar year. Always, forever, always. And in truth, it still is. But because he did it, and he's superhuman. Well, so is Nick Chubb. He is. He's kind of his football soul twin. That's right.


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[Assistant] I was told by a doctor he ruined it for everybody that ever comes after him because that's not humanly possible what he did, but he did it.


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[Assistant] Which one is more impressive? It's fun. I know it's just three weeks, but we'll have fun with that topic. Week three roundup in the NFL. There are three unbeatens after three weeks. We'll talk about all the action that we didn't get to yesterday.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the top quarterbacks do. That's what they do. PFF Grades. We're doing it differently this week. We're going to try to match the grade to the player and also Mary Kay Cabot and then Jerry Ferrara is going to be here. Explain that. Who booked him?


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[Assistant] Okay, so if he's yelled PURDLE or Joe Proctor more, that will determine whether Entourage is bigger than Howard. We'll find out.


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[Assistant] Uh, I was gonna have to miss cause my other job has a very important meeting. Then I was called and told, oh we don't need you to be here.


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[Assistant] We, we said, if you're in the, if you're watching the show right now, hit the like button. Easy to do.


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[Assistant] We went over 1,000 likes yesterday. I believe, Bull, you texted early this morning, our show yesterday is over 25,000 views. That's correct.


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[Assistant] Pushes us up to the top of that chain so more people click on us, are exposed to us, and you know what they say, don't try it if you're not ready for it to become a habit. Don't be opening no doors for you.


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[Assistant] Uh, it's only three weeks. Get that out of the way. But we gave some numbers yesterday that proved that this Browns defense is historically great through three games. So as you measure all of the other great defensive performances through the first three games, the Browns defense in 2023 is right there with the Bears and the Buccaneers.


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[Assistant] I loved, I don't know if you guys saw it yesterday, Shannon Sharpe on first take when he was, he was hot because he's obviously got Denver Broncos pride.


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[Assistant] McDaniel had a chance to break the all-time record for the most points scored in the game. They were in field goal range.


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[Assistant] I know it's one game, we only have three though. And the other thing too is, and this is why I almost went Browns. This wasn't a slam dunk for me. I almost went Browns and the reason I did is because I'm of the mindset that a great defense


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[Assistant] Will Trump a great offense, just like great pitching in baseball, can shut down great hitting? I just happen to like defense more than I like offense. All of that being said, what they've done this year,


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[Assistant] Like, the Browns defense has been, and I don't want anybody to get the idea that I'm trampling on the Browns defense.


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[Assistant] They're unbelievable. I think that they have a chance to be historical this year.


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[Assistant] Because we ran through the schedule yesterday on the show. I looked at it again later last night.


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[Assistant] What I'm, what I'm saying is what the Dolphins offense did Sunday, and yes, I am definitely weighing up that very heavily.


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[Assistant] I know who it was against, but I'm not gonna discount the Browns' defensive effort because it was against Ryan Tannehill. I'm not gonna discount that. These guys all get paid. If they quit, that's on that.


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[Assistant] This is a credit to bull. I said, I gotta think about bull.


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[Assistant] Because Bull's gonna come at this thing. He's gonna look at it objectively. In the end, I came down with this. Bull's going Brown's defense too. So if I go Brown's defense, what the hell kind of discussion was that? That's true. By the way, that's true.


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[Assistant] Because I know where you are on these things. You're pretty consistent.


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[Assistant] Bull's gonna come out shooting saying, Guys, it was 70 points! So I was like, he could go that way.


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[Assistant] See, I just, what I, what I, He's a man of the people. I wanted to rewatch the Steelers game, I haven't yet. The one thing that I'm, I was concerned about, and this is again a knock on the Browns defense.


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[Assistant] To be a truly great defense, Tyvis, you have to do what? Tackle.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And, was it, who the heck dropped the fumbles right in there? A pick that was right in his hands. I thought it was going to be a pick six.


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[Assistant] Let's go back to that stat on the Browns, cause I meant to ask this yesterday, there's something that's odd to me about that. The league average


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[Assistant] Okay, so the averages then, the Browns are averaging minus 12 rushing yards per game before contact. I think that to me, I get my mind around.


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[Assistant] And what's even more incredible to your point, Tyvis, the Achilles of this defense last year was in the middle, on the run. Go back and think about what Atlanta did to us.


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[Assistant] No way you could have thought it would be this good. This was unforeseeable. I'm curious. Baltimore and San Francisco are two pretty good offenses. I'm really curious to see how they hold up against these two offenses.


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[Assistant] Because so far, I mean, even Cincinnati looked better last night. Cincinnati in week one was not the Cincinnati offense we're going to get next time around. We know that Pittsburgh offense isn't going to set buildings on fire. We know that Tennessee's offense likely not to set buildings on fire. So let's get a couple of games against


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[Assistant] Notch offenses in the barn. And after week five, we'll come back and we'll revisit the Dolphins offense or the Browns defense.


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[Assistant] I still think, and don't jump on me on this, but if I had to pick one...


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[Assistant] I just, there's something about Brock Purdy, even though I've seen a lot.


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[Assistant] Somebody sent, uh, did you see this yesterday? Somebody sent, I thought it was to the UCSS group. I saw it somewhere. Maybe it was an email to my Channel 3 account.


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[Assistant] Uhm, somebody sent, this is an obvious miss too by the NFL. The fact that they don't allow flex the entire season. Yea, they should.


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[Assistant] I just came up with an idea and I'll throw this out and see what you guys think of it. I think every Monday we all should write a love note and a break up note with a Cleveland Brawns player.


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[Assistant] I'm asking for forgiveness. I love you. Sign G. Bush. We all write love notes.


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[Assistant] We talked about the Dolphins offense, and I know you're a little busy on Sunday, so you don't get a chance to check out what's going on around the league.


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[Assistant] But obviously what that Dolphins offense did on Sunday is record setting.


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[Assistant] We had a discussion at the top of the show, uhm, and we know that the sample size is small, it's only three gains, but,


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[Assistant] Which unit has been more impressive to you so far? Is it the Dolphins offense or the Browns defense?


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[Assistant] Go Bucs. We just showed the PFF grades. Mikey, he had the highest PFF grade, right?


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[Assistant] That's impressive. So if we're gonna go...


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[Assistant] Kind of guys that, uh, took a step forward. Uh, I wanna ask you about a guy that...


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[Assistant] Sometimes it's better to leave the room than to say something you might regret.


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[Assistant] Not, not a, I think Evan made the mistake by even putting him in that spot. Are you? It was a tough spot.


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[Assistant] Oh, that'll be sane. So I would think that there would be someone watching this show right now.


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[Assistant] That knows someone that sells jerseys that can get Bull a custom jersey by Sunday. The team shop gonna do that?


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[Assistant] I hate the two Monday night football games on at the same time, by the way. It sucks. I hate it. It's stupid.


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[Assistant] Well, they don't have the chance to flex it. I mean, they can make it the national game, right?


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[Assistant] If you go 6 and 4 after going 6 and 1, you're 12 and 5. 6 and 1, that's a little ahead of ourselves.


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[Assistant] So what was your, what's your training? How did you, what were the steps from you deciding as a young kid, that's what I want to do, to you being there at a very young age on a huge


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[Assistant] But for every one of your stories, Jerry, I played baseball 20 years ago in Jersey with a guy, Panzarella. Sure. He's had probably 20 little roles in a lot of these, you know, similar shows to you're on now.


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[Assistant] But he has been grinding at this for 20 years. And he's very good, and you would recognize him, but he hasn't gotten that big break yet.


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[Assistant] What, what has to happen for, is it, is it luck, is it skill, is it right place, right time? That's the part.


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[Assistant] What's the role that you want or a role that you read for that you didn't get?


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[Assistant] Did you find that when you did go out, people expected you to be turtle when you were out?


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[Assistant] You check the winner? That's right. What's your best betting story? Either win or lose.


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[Assistant] You are auditioning for a role as a pitcher tomorrow. Put yourself in that mindset and before you go, this is critical. Talk about the muscle memory. Before you go, find someone to play catch with.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. I was thinking this morning, you know, cause the news broke.


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[Assistant] Or, or the tweet, you know, the, the information from Kevin Stefanski came out towards the end of our show yesterday. Yea, we did discuss it yesterday. We discussed it a little bit, but I thought a lot about this this morning, and I said,


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[Assistant] This doesn't make any sense. No. What is happening here? Kevin Stefanski talks in cliches.


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[Assistant] He never gives any nuggets. Ever. Nothing. He gives you nothing. And then all of a sudden he says this.


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[Assistant] Deshaun Watson was medically cleared to play and it was his call. Now, on the surface it doesn't seem like he's being critical. I don't-


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[Assistant] I find, I don't even want to say he's being critical because I don't know what sense that would make.


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[Assistant] But I don't understand. I can't figure out why.


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[Assistant] Tyvis, cause I know you thought the same thing. Why he would say this. Again, he's not Andy Reid, he's not Belichick, he's not, uh, Belichick kinda says nothing but makes points every once in a while. Like, Stefanski literally gives you nothing in his press conferences. I don't understand why he said this.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, he does tap him on the, Watson on the shoulder. Ooh, sorry about that. Yes. Uh, he taps him on the shoulder. I mean, I don't know. It's hard to say. I, I, I can't definitively say from the video that he's mad. He's, or certainly mad at Watson. I wouldn't even say mad. He's probably frustrated with the whole situation. That's what, that's where I'm going. Not necessarily blaming anybody. That's what I'm going.


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[Assistant] Are you sure? When Baker was playing through injury that year, every week he would say he's been cleared by the medical. Yes, he did. Every week. Every week. Which by the way, Watson was too.


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[Assistant] That's it. That's it. I think when you say what he said, it makes people think, oh, I guess he could have played.


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[Assistant] with Deshaun Watson. Well, maybe so, but what I don't understand if I'm Kevin Stefanski who says nothing to the media and says something here that we are all kind of reading as if he's throwing Watson under the bus.


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[Assistant] I think the bottom line for me on this is I'm trying to think of another reason why Stefanski would say this. I can't. There may be, but I can't think of it. And I just can't help but think that if I'm Deshaun Watson and I hear those comments, I'm like, he's making me look like a wimp.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I don't know that that's proof. I mean how do we know it's her at the other end of the table?


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[Assistant] Uh, I mean, if everything he's saying is true, then...


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[Assistant] I think there should be, if you, now again, I don't know that everything he's saying is true. No, but we'll operate under the assumption that he is, because in all likelihood, and I don't either. Well that's what we said about all the accusations initially, in all likelihood, most accusations are true. No, I never said that. I don't believe that. No, I never said that.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't always believe, but the reality in the grand scheme of the world is that most accusations are true. We don't know that. We don't know what percentage of them are true. The police data states that, uh, has said that


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[Assistant] Most people that accuse anybody, not athletes necessarily, all people, that by and large it's true.


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[Assistant] We shouldn't always jump to conclusion when a player is accused. Now, he still has another lawsuit. We'll see what happens with that. He does. He does. Uh, it does appear in this particular case that he was railroaded. I still don't think we know that with 100% certainty, but it does appear that way.


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[Assistant] However, as is always the case with everything else, it's taken to the extreme the other way. Correct. To the point where you can never say an accuser sounds fishy, you can't, there's no, I remember Matt Damon once, was being interviewed once.


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[Assistant] And he said, oh well touching somebody's cheek is not as bad as raping someone. And people were like, furious with him for saying that. Sure. And I'm like,


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[Assistant] I agree. If there's, if it is proven that there's a fault, now what we don't want to do is get to the point where now women are once again scared to make an accusation when it's real.


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[Assistant] That's worse for him. No, those are, they weren't famous, those people before. They were infamous. That's even worse. I don't remember any other names, do you?


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[Assistant] That's someone you think is going to get it and someone that you hope gets it. Yeaah. So let's start with the guy that is the home run hire but probably won't end up here, Mike. And that's, I'll put it up or do you want me to say it first? You can say it, we got it. So Craig Council, to me he's the home run hire.


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[Assistant] The guy's not that far out of the game. He's been a manager with the Brewers for almost a decade. He's done a fantastic job there. Let's face it, the Brewers were a nothing franchise for years before Craig Townsend took over. They're consistently in the pennant race. They're consistently in the playoffs. Now they haven't won in the highest


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[Assistant] Level, obviously, but with a mid-tier payroll, certainly higher than the Guardians, but certainly not


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[Assistant] You know, their payroll is never as high as the Cubs and the Cardinals. And yet they've consistently been better than those teams. Why would he leave? He's a free agent at the end of the year. You don't think about free agents in Milwaukee.


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[Assistant] Well, he probably wouldn't, and in fact, I think he's gonna go to the Mets because the GM he worked with in Milwaukee, a guy by the name of David Stearns, just got hired to be the new president or GM of the Mets.


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[Assistant] Yes, I watch, you know, I play the Brewers all the time. He is an excellent manager. He's great with bullpen. He's great with in-game strategy. I think he's one of the five best managers in baseball. I think he's the most underrated manager in the game. He doesn't get the recognition because ultimately they haven't won a World Series.


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[Assistant] I think he's done more with less. You know, I think the Brewers are a decent team, but they're not great, and they won the division going away.


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[Assistant] And, uh, and they've done that a lot. So I love counsel, but I think he'll end up with the Mets because they'll offer him a boatload of money. Now here's the guy.


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[Assistant] Maybe a lot of people don't know this guy, but I think there's a great chance he becomes the next manager. Mike screwed up the name.


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[Assistant] The guy who's my second choice, and who will most likely be the manager, I think, is Will Venable. There's no S at the end of his name, Mike. Oh, that is on me. That is on me. It's Will Venable. Will Venable, okay?


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[Assistant] I'm guessing somewhere in Ohio. No. You play college baseball at Princeton.


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[Assistant] No, his number two guy. Chernoff. Mike Chernoff and Will Venable were teammates in college. Oh, wow. Okay? Will Venable was a good, like, pinch hitter, journeyman, major league baseball player for a number of years.


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[Assistant] He's been on winning coaching staffs. He was on the Cubs team that won the World Series. He was on that coaching staff. He's been with the Rangers who are going to the playoffs this year. He's a highly thought of managerial candidate. He's interviewed for jobs the last two, three years. Hasn't gotten one yet.


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[Assistant] There's a possibility Antonetti might be leaving this offseason too. I think that's possible. Yeaah. Uh, which would make Chernoff even higher up in the pecking order. But if you look at their relationship.


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[Assistant] He's been the Cubs first base coach for a couple of years. Uh, so he's done some coaching. He's always been considered a great leader in the locker room. He was beloved by his teammates and the fans. And we could party at Napoli. We party at Napoli's after every game.


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[Assistant] There's something about the Guardians are a young team.